The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 56 [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► September 2011 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► I'm Jason L this is one of those flash [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► podcasts by flash I mean we don't edit [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► it and we just record a skype [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► conversation and it saves me a lot of [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► work haha [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► anyway we're here to talk about the two [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► most recent episodes of the BBC's Doctor [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► Who season 6 part to the episodes in [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► question are night terrors and the girl [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► who waited which of air over the last [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► two weeks [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► joining me today to discuss these two [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► episodes at least for now joining me are [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► ten fleischmann hi Glenn [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► I've been recording this for 36 years [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► six months and three days and finally [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► you calling me you took the slower path [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► i see huh [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► don't ever press the red water ball I'm [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► telling you it's a joe haldeman path [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► scoffing multi is also here hi Scott let [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► me take off my gloves so i can see you [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► mm and John siracusa is also present i'm [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► in the correct time screen as always [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► that now [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► actually we joke about this but two [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► members of our panel did press via the [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► red waterfall and the right it's the red [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► with the green anchor and the redwater [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► floor right at this trailer nautically [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► themed as all hospitals are apparently [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► yes so you know who universe so Dan [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► Morgan and serenity Caldwell press the [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► red waterfall and lost to us an [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► alternate time stream at least for now [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► they're out of sync with us in terms of [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► time which is our way of saying they're [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► late so I'm two episodes interesting [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► standalone episodes which is kind of [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► nice to see I think after so many r kv [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► episodes this season [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► who would like to talk about last week's [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► episode night terrors in which a young [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► child that calls for the doctor because [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► he's got monsters in his room and his [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► his calls are answered by little I [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► thought it was a classic you know quirky [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► doctor you know everything's gonna turn [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► out all right in the end no one's going [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► to die sort of episode which is how [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► spoiler it did it had that had that air [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► of because the episodes in which things [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► go really awry and the doctor has to set [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► and if he does not people people have [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► already died terrible things happen and [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► so forth and allow those tend to be the [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► mythology episodes and you have these [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► kind of like quirky funny ones in which [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► lost terrifying things happen but you [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► sort of it's more like a fairy tale and [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► that's what the category this fit in and [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► I don't know I thought I thought it was [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► fun it was a little more like an older [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► doctor who didn't have the feeling of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the newer episodes much and it was a [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► little more on you know horror oriented [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► which I i think the new series is much [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► more about than the old series were it's [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► sort of a trademark but I never got the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► full creepy like giant dolls walking [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► around and so forth never really got up [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► my spine and I thought the central [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► mystery was a little fan like often [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► there's multiple stories running a good [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► show of any kind any kind of drama or [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► comedy is UAB and sometimes CND [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► bloodlines and I felt there was sort of [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► like an a-line here and one central [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► mystery once that was sort of that it [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► was like okay and we put all the pieces [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► in place but as the parents i did have [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► you always get that knowing in your soul [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► when you see a child you know in harm's [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► way and you always delighted to see [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► parents step up to the plate and do the [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► thing that's right for the children [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► because they have such love for their [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► little boy or girl so that's what I [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► thought about it the dad right in the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► end it's the dad's job to to say but of [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► course i love you and I would never want [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► you to go away and and he he's the one [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► who has to make that statement dr. can't [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► save the little boy in the end yeah I [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► wasn't prepared for exactly that moment [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► I was like oh that is honorably sweet [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► even rest the episode West investor live [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► up to the potential was kind of fun with [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► that one moment is like oh that's been [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► running down and grabbing his child is [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► just you know that's the way you know if [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► you remember if we can borrow if we go [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► back to the christopher eccleston dr. we [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► that's direct echo of the doctor dances [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► episode the two-parter which we need [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► Captain Jack and their backhand World [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► War two it all these people are turning [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► into this our gas bearings things yeah [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► at the end it's the young woman who has [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► a child out of wedlock embraces her to [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► transform child and says yes i am your [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► money and that's that act of love is the [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► transformative act they're kind of SAP's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► that doctor who in some way and I kind [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► of like that sort of thing but the [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► doctor dances was much better episode so [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► I think it has i've truly great yes [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► actors are like five things going on [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► actually resolved and use them all in [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► interesting ways they were not been [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► exactly this was kind of a one-note look [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► creepy dolls oh the boys and actually an [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► alien [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► everybody loves you get it was more like [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the boys an alien is he [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► I guess you mean he doesn't do anything [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► he doesn't glow or anything he's just a [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► boy they say well he's an alien but he's [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► a boy now but he was an alien but he's [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► not now it's always a teenager way to [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► those teenagers up they spent all the [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► budget on the dolls so apparently but [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► yeah these are this and the last week's [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► episode in this week's episode are the I [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► think we blew too much money early in [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► this already this season and we're [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► saving up for stuff later [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► did did it seem to you guys that the [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► well first off they're the dolls right [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► which were which were weird and and and [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► I didn't think we're particularly scary [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► especially since they don't really do [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► anything except follow you around and [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► occasionally turn you into a doll i'm [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► gonna knock over pretty easy [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► yeah it did I I didn't feel a lot of of [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► Jeopardy from them and then and then it [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► didn't also seem to you that there was a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► whole lot put into the idea that you [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► were going to be shocked when you [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► discovered that Rory and Amy were inside [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► a dollhouse in his closet when I just [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► sort of never thought that was a [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► surprise and I thought them running [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► around in the dollhouse was kind of [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► boring [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► yep horrifying surprise don't know where [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► Nadal haha no way i'm sure in Las the [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► dollhouse you're being chased by giant [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► dolls and you showed us adult house in [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► the closet [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► I couldn't put 22 yeah and yet it seems [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► sort of like the episode wants it to be [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► a big revelation and they know it's just [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► a it's dolls in a dollhouse and that's [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► that's all you got is I mean because i [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► like that i like the tone I how it's [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► dark and it's supposed to be scary and [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► all that but but I kept thinking to [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► myself is this it is this it is this [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► heat is there another level here and [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► other than the stuff with you know with [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► a father which even that seems sort of [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► contrived like well we have a [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► conversation once when I was worried we [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► were going to have to send him away and [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► that is the motivation for this whole [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► thing is just [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► it you know it it felt on the surface [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► like there was a really great episode [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► here and then I just kept thinking [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► really thats it thats that's as deep as [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► it's gonna go [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► yeah you wanted the thing like that you [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► know i can't wait for Aslan to come out [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► of the closet myself but you keep [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► waiting for also something else to come [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► up like you know it's like okay there's [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► some other this is part of a bigger [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► thing or I mean if you look at like the [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► sort of silly episode the data 10 [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► episode with the but puffin fresh kids [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► was that one called the the little um [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► often fresh kids you know that way [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► without water the avoirdupois the there [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► are people's fat and they add a adipose [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► thank you like even that was a silly [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► episode you have like people decomposing [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► into little creatures and and weird [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► stuff and then running up and down [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► corridors and whatever that was you know [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► same period of time lot more scenery and [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► it's not similar theme I know but we [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► sort of similar like silly was sort of [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► ridiculous episode but you had medicine [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► it you had some mythology brought in [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► because Don and the doctor find each [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► other again that's incidental but it's [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► in there was such a rich thing I had [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► trouble [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► episode over at like was this really a [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► full-length episode this felt like a [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► 14-page comic book of Doctor Who so [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► enjoyable but you know it's like this is [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► like a 15-minute cereal thing it's not [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► like a you know full 40 plus minute [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► entry in the in the Canon alright John [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► what about you know what [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► when I saw your email go out of what [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► we're going to be talking about tonight [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► I panting like that i'm missing app but [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► you talking about this night terrorist [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► thing that the episode was so [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► forgettable I'd literally forgotten that [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► I'd seen it was that I literally the [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► page and I said oh yeah I did right [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► yeah I thought that would be like jason [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► said it was shot really well and I like [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► they set up this atmosphere and you know [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► they were really trying to be creepy but [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► it just was not it was not create an [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► apostle big thing of it that halloween [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► quality full head masks are a doctor who [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► like forehead makeup is the star trek I [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► I don't then they just got they loved [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► the big head big heads now that's the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► way to do the makeup just take take some [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► giant mask over the head of an actor [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► have walk slowly and that the head mask [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► and look like very adamant had was not [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► creepy was not scary legs [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► it's down yeah you know I didn't really [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► watch the episode that's not last week [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► and I watched the the new episode twice [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► today in fact i watch the second time [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► because i wanted to see that wanted to [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► get more of the subtlety of it and i'll [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► watch it again and that lassoed the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► eagerly-awaited election watch that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► again I'll probably that again and again [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► over the years but this one I don't [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► think I will ever ever flip again so all [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► all of that agreed to buy me and yet i [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► will i will now bring in an opposing [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► viewpoint which is that my my freshly [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► turned seven-year-old son watch this [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► episode with us and was absolutely [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► terrified oh wow ok so there's little [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► children so you know part of and as [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► adults we look at this and we say well [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► you know it really was my favorite part [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► of what doctor who is made for is not [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► for us right it is to scare little [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► children that that's actually one of the [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► things that supposed to do and i have to [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► say it did that it was it was scary my [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► daughter thought it was scary my son [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► thought it was terrifying and basically [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► said if the is going to be that scary [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► anymore i don't want to watch Doctor Who [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► anymore because it was too scary for me [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► and I'm afraid of the dolls so lots of [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► things together although i think i think [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► the music actually scared more than [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► anything else because he's very [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► sensitive to sort of music cues that are [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► scary things but whatever it it it did [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► the job there so i will point out [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► Jason's son and my older son are born [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► exactly the same day and year and my son [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► we had our time to watch winnie-the-pooh [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► a couple years ago so if he watched this [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► episode he would never sleep again so he [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► is not doctor who is like I was 42 I [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► might be able to get them to watch it [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► good little anxiety about that kind of [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► thing will have a lot of episodes backed [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► up by that expect collects the 4000 [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► episodes and his neural implant then all [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► at once and five seconds we need who is [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► terrifying [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► it's true those bees got dammit yeah it [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► and it's you know again the atmosphere [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► don't beat this episode to death like we [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► did with the pirates but the atmosphere [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that let's take it out the analogy [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► atmosphere was good while the alley is [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► where there's the big a pile of garbage [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► cans that the old lady gets sucked [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► into garbage bags matter how much and I [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► got that you were terrified it's like [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► that the garbage bag sucker in and then [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► she got that it didn't really make a lot [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► of sense [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► no no and married british shows always [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► have that old lady is that the rule [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► yeah absolutely yes well there's a lot [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► of actor older actors who need work and [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► the government make sure that their [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► employees trip that's called socialism [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► socialism miss that's the Miss Marple [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► Little Miss Marple right i don't i just [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► isn't making sense again it was it was [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► all the all the things you expect to see [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► in as a creepy story and and it's meant [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► to be scary music scary and something [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► happens except it was kind of randomly [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► placed didn't and you know it didn't [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► hold together to me and and we don't [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► forget the great line there is one great [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► line of this and say Jason you know what [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► it is we're dead again [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► no they're worried feeling like they're [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► actually both dead and all that you know [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► there are some there are some those were [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► nice moments but yeah I didn't do it for [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► me at all [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► it was it was a real i don't think was [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► bad like I think the pirate episode was [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► bad but I pirate episode gets more of [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► our hate because the pirate episode had [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► like a bigger budget and they have [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► pirates what you can do something with [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► and they have with sadness was just like [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► it pirates and an alien spaceship this [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► had the apartment building [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► so this is at least didn't squander its [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► potential really had none and i think [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► that the the doctor and the the father [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► had nice moments i was enjoying a doctor [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► is trying to explain to people who do [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► not know who he is what he is and what [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► he does i was find that fascinating and [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► the guise of being from like the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► government it right exactly and he's [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► like where's your little finger forces i [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► like to think it's like look into my [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► eyes and you're like that's so that's [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► actually not exactly call back but [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► that's a hitchhiker's guide moment [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► there's a bit where for drip prefect [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► looks at the barman before the earth is [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► blown up and it looks a bit of angst [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► about being away from home and it says [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► like this us every creature universe and [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► it's a subliminal signal and times of [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► stress that indicates precisely how far [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► they were far away from other born but [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► the earth you can never be very far away [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► but he was from beetlejuice [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► so he looked at the bar minus the barman [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► felt every inch of the [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► over many light-years he was and [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► believed him and I thought it was that [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► same look into my eyes [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► these eyes have seen many things alright [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► alright i guess we should speak no more [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► about this episode and I have one more [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► thing we have to do one more complaint [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► hold excellent up but I don't like it [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► thick [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► remember when we were stuck on that [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► right we're at the end of every episode [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that the doctor had to look at the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► screen with the program not pregnant ya [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► missed me now the new thing is at the [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► end of every episode yes look at the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► screen and see is little death date card [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► from from the archives at the screen [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► which miraculously the camera can see [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the doctor can see we can see but the [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► people standing two feet to his left [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► cannot see for some reason what are you [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► looking at honest with his ring shield [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► on it it's literally distortion so so [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► here's a funny thing about that episode [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► is it was shot as part of the first [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► block of the series along with the neil [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► gaiman episode and then they delayed it [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► i think because they're they're [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► basically both episodes where people run [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► around dark quarters [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► I mean really that and and I i suspect [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► maybe that scene was really written to [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► have it be the Amy pregnant pregnant and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► then they had to change it in order to [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► change people like basically just happy [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► I episode the doctor seeing a screen [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► that no one else can see even though [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► they're standing right next to what's on [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► the screen can change it also explains [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► why Amy and Rory don't spend any time [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► dwelling on the fact that they just [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► discovered all these things about their [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► daughter who they grew up with now and [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► yes now river so that's sort of like we [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► don't think about that so so which I [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► like from a standalone perspective and I [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► don't like in a sense that it did feel [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► awfully charring because if if we're [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► gonna spend every episode dwelling on [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► oh wow he's gonna die but we can't tell [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► him why would we spend any time dwelling [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► on the fact that you know our little [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► baby that we just had is never going to [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► grow up with us as their parents because [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► of time-traveling Jana it just seems [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► really weird that they would do that [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► with the one thing and not the other [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► all right now we have used our art [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► artists to move across time streams or [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► something like that we've gone for the [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► green anchor to the red waterfall so now [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► i want to ask the members of our red [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► waterfall cult contention damn and ran [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► who don't know what we think here in the [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► green anchor double-blind about about [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► the night terrors episode what they [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► thought of of night terrors before we [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► move on and we will tell them if their [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► opinion is correct [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► huh or we dad ran what did you think of [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► of night terrorist Marcus's episode you [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► know go ahead simultaneously be only one [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► another [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► no I i actually I decently liked the [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► episode and I thought it was just creepy [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► enough and it was kind of fun standalone [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► I my only question was i was unsure [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► about the how the alien kids fan it [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► because it was all in his mind right or [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► something along those lines where he was [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► he was turning these things into big [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► bads and I'm like well if he's if he's [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► turning you know if he's making all this [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► why can't he shut it off and what did [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► the dr really do that's the magic you [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► know was it really just the parents had [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► to say oh yes we love you we're not [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► going to leave you and then all of them [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► go away like i was very confused by that [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► but that that problem with it aside I [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► thought it was actually quite fun and [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► quite spooky i really liked it [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► yeah i guess i'm in the minority here I [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► thought that there were something [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► effectively atmospheric about a lot of [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► it i like to be the interior of the [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► house and I liked that it was a puzzle [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► that i didn't i didn't entirely figure [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► out really as it was going on I mean I [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► started to get clues i started to make [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► sort of assumptions based on what i [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► thought was going on and yet some of it [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► comes out as a bit of a you know a [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► backfill in terms of how is this alien [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► kid or whatever and and that was the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► part of it i did not like as much but [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► the atmosphere part in the beginning [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► where you're trying to figure out what's [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► going on i love the doctors back and [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► forth about trying to decide whether or [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► not to open the cupboard where he's [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► kinda arguing [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► going forward over the governor what we [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► have to open the cover you know like I [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► thought the the report there between him [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► and the father was really was really [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► funny anomaly [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► were you surprised or shocked about the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► fact that they were in a dollhouse [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► namely that not now that's not that I [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► you know I picked up on that one pretty [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► pretty quickly [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► ok but I was ok but I mean you know why [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► you know that was still up in the air [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► like I like the kid I thought he was he [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► was sufficiently cute kid was yeah [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► really creepy and sufficiently cute yeah [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► you know I i love the setting to I just [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► enjoy them walking around the town that [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► council walks at night trying to figure [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► out you know what the hell is going on i [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► don't know i mean it wasn't you no it [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► certainly was not the the best episode [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► of Doctor Who but I thought that stacked [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► up against a lot of the stuff again from [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► the first half of the season [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► pirates I thought to beat the pants off [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► pirates and you know a lot of the the [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► confusing back and forth with some of [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► the other episodes in there I thought it [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► was better than that my real really do [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► feel like the the second half of the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► season has been superior to the first [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► but I can see why knowing the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► probabilities of many of my fellow seems [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► panel members why they wouldn't like it [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► going to unsubscribe even Jason didn't [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► like it's like Jason's very critical [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► value it I i think the red I think the [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► Red waterfall got a totally different [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► episode the green acre it has to do with [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► different times if we were focusing more [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► on personality and atmosphere than [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► actual mid-wilshire lot since you guys [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► didn't hear what we said sophisticated [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► over on the green anchor side i think i [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► think there was some agreement that [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► there was some atmosphere the problem [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► was that that any analysis of what was [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► going on beyond the atmosphere led to [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► kind of a really what knows sometimes I [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► feel like you just shouldn't analyze [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► doctor who and just enjoy it as I was [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► like watching other is let's straighten [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► up this is what I was scary [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► no I was scary it was a little bit scary [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► here my seven-year-old son but I I [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► wasn't applying a lot of deep analysis [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► to it I was like really so the lady has [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► been eaten by trash bags and the kids an [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► alien but we never see him really do [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► anything alien butt [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► yeah he's an alien well that explains [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that he's going to meld into society [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► right he's not school 30 alien like he [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► does seem like there's another variety [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► of other show like that remember feel [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► like there's a star trek episode or [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► something because i can get everybody [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► like who all there is all reality around [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► in there [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► yes isn't it yeah takes over Jonathan [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► trucks life because he's a father and he [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► stuck in some say I thought he was going [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► for Charlie and I was imagining angel [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► and the next generation know the next [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► generation to me where you know because [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► there is wakes up and thinks it's a [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► right experience got the kids like a [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► space for I don't know I just I i SAT [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► there thinking yeah they're dolls [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► they're not that creepy and they don't [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► they're not threatening because they [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► turn you into dolls but they turning me [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► into a doll and so you know that it's [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► amy dollars creates not permanent and [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► there's no so so it did it just didn't [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► work at all what level you doing playing [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► with dolls that's the others request wow [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► that's not but that leaves early edition [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► sure about the future [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► come on in the future because of the [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► council flat yeah nobody made that for [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► the future really do it if ya really [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► really early and garbage BBC red [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► waterfall has a better budget than BBC [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► greena just much all there is to it was [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► just enjoying a the delay water quality [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► at the moment he visited the five [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► minutes of the episode that it felt like [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► to us to a full 40 minutes yeah that's [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► why I just ran around and in the [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► dollhouse and the house and then we can [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► all travel together they would run away [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► again unlike unlike some of the earlier [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► episodes and our point fingers at [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► pirates again there's no point in this [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► episode I felt like bored LOL understand [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► Danny other ones me was like yeah let me [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► just check twitter while I'm watching [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► this whatever it was really young I felt [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► kind of wrap the Pirates was not as good [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► as that's a low point for media in this [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► is that Steven Moffat I think I enjoyed [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► pirates more [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► oh hang on oh gosh I don't think iris [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► was a better episode but i think i think [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► i enjoyed it more mostly because unlike [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► a look there a pirate ship Umi Skyward [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► Sword don't get me wrong I just you know [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► I just like both of strongly I'm just [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► saying out if I had to choose which one [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► you made me watch one of them again [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► which one would i choose also if one of [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► the episodes was outside of the targets [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► while you're inside you will find any i [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► would agree the Doctor Who pirates was [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► better than the walter matthau pirates i [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► will agree with that but not better than [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► Gilbert and Sullivan pirates what [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► happened not a 979 john templayer or [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► pilates pilates is better than that [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► pirates Iraqis karate skills along now [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► that's a great workout by the way it [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► really works your are okay and on that [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► note I'm going to press the red button [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► at the bottom because who wouldn't press [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► the red button and we're going to switch [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► back out of this timestream and had to [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► move over to be other let's move on to [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► the most recent episode of Doctor Who [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► which is the girl who waited is what you [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► can I get my premise complaining out of [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► the way first so you can talk about the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► meat of the episode without it I usually [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► if I have lots of negative things to say [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► i like to save you for last to see if I [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► can guess the negative things are going [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► okay Fargo but i don't but i don't have [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► a lot of negative things about this [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► episode so I would like you to get it [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► all out now this is mostly just promise [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► whining so yeah and possibly can i [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► usually don't BB scholarly wisdom of [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► Glenn will educate me about what I was [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► missing this episode i didn't watch it i [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► did watch it twice [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► exactly so maybe really was as dumb as I [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► thought maybe i just missed something [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► entirely sorry on scholarly to be asking [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► for your first business [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► alright so there's a disease on this [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► planet right this trend seven thing i'd [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► only affects people with two hearts I [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► and if the doctor gets it he'll die any [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► can regenerate right because that [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► increases jeopardy that are well and [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► also because they this is the doctor [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► light episode many of them to stay on [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the target set so they could shoot him [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► in a day and then have him go to the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► right that's also that bothers me a [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► little bit of that I want to see that [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► behind the same things right so the two [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► rooms thing the the explanation they [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► eventually come to the two rooms is that [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► you've got the disease speed they got 24 [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► hours to live so what you do you take [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the people with the disease you put them [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► into different [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► science time stream so that 24 hours for [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► the people where they came from is like [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► their lifetime and then you can see each [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► other through the hourglass thing so you [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► can say our poor daughter she had the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► disease but you to the time screaming [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► now we can look at her and we can watch [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► her live her entire life and we'll have [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► a full and healthy life so you know our [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► daughter doesn't die in 24 hours instead [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► she has a full life now if you take [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► someone who has the disease is going to [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► kill them for hours and you put them in [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► a different time stream doesn't don't [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► they still die in 24 hours to the germs [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► stick to the rules of the old-time [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► string the drumset oh my god wall you [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► know we're weird germs from the old-time [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► scream I know you're in a new time [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► screen where you're going to live for a [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► lifetime but we're going to honor the [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► rules of the old-time makes no freaking [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► cent worth the only missing some [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► woodworking the opposite way that what [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► you do is you have that doesn't make any [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► sense no it wasn't i can't figure it out [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► I I there's a central conceit that was [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► missing because there was is the doctor [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► says oh she hadn't eaten for a week [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► because she wasn't hungry he said [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► overtime is compressed ready Caldwell [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► has joined us by the way she has come [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► back from the the the waterfall we were [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► you gonna say [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► ok so from what I could tell the red [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► waterfall multiple time streams are not [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► actually you know 99 years worth of time [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► stream it is 24 hours it's just the [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► perception of how time passes is [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► lengthened at least what I like where it [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► was just it's it's an outward effect [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that makes the body i assume the disease [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► is something that makes the body age and [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► then it's just a 24-hour sort of [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► perception filter magnitude in there for [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► a week ago I know but I'm saying maybe [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► lose their 40 years and her Bob the ages [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► and get the wrinkly wouldn't the disease [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► progressing to kill them in 24 hours [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► yeah well I was my initial sort of [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► thought was oh the disease just makes [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the manager rapidly but Amy doesn't have [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► the disease so I don't know I'm just [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► going with weird time perception filter [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► that also makes them age but it's not [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► actually time again I don't harp on the [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► purpose because they just want to set up [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► a situation that will let them have the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► actual story right [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► yes it but they like I complain when [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► they don't do a good job explaining [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► their their setup and they just it was [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► just reinforces the final thing was [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► those dr. things that kill you like [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► worst dr. robot [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► whatever I mean it don't they adjust [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► dosages for infants and stuff they can [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► tell this is a different species all [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► well medicated maybe that's not be [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► involved there are many things wrong [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► with those robots national someone I i [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► assume that the that the planet is I [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► mean they say in the beginning of the [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► planets quarantine so in theory that [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► there wouldn't be any kind of alien life [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► landing on it so i imagine that those [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► robots were programmed basically as soon [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► as the thing was quarantined and you [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► know only only I know I'm [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► over-explaining something they didn't [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► explain properly and i'm estimating but [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► it's still available on the episode but [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► I still confused as to why anyone who is [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► designing a robot would say okay let's [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► give it some sensors but will only put [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► them in their hands [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► budget cuts it's not a doctor can have [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► something to explain they did a lot of [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► quick explanations of things that are [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► sick [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► that's just like I've got two sentences [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► to explain this major plot points we can [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► move on to the real story and there were [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► several of those including why this [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► thing has no faith why everything is all [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► white [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► why they have different time streams [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► what I mean they start since gonna get a [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► lot of money on this thing would be no [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► just a bucket of white paint and a [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► novelty magnifying glass from like the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► song outside of ignited see the other [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► thing that got me though I really [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► actually really loved the emotional and [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► content structure episode but i think [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► that got me was a sort of um the issue [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► that all the people who are in [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► quarantine for living separate lives [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► I'm like we're all gonna die no the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► plate once you put them together so they [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► can share this 40 years or whatever [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► they're going to get together instead of [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► giving them isolated lonely lives unless [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► i'm confused and they were all together [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► except me because she did but they're [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► talking about maintaining all of these [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► separate times change everyone [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► individually [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► yeah they were separate time streams and [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► I think the idea was you were supposed [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► to use like the you know the the [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► holodeck basically to entertain yourself [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► it that it reminded me of the TV show [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► off our escape in the seventh at me they [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► would have these bizarre things that [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► oftentimes in farscape you'd also see it [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► in the middle of the action and and they [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► would kind of mention that this was the [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► setup [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► and it was very clearly the message was [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► just it's weird and this is what you do [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► they have to do and we're not going to [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► explain why and I felt like there was [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► enough hand-waving hear that your brain [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► starts to try and grab onto it and be [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► like well why is this happening instead [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► of you know anything you have that [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► choice of trying to make sense of it are [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► saying alright well it's kind of cool [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► there's always white rooms and they're [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► two different time streams and it's [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► weird and then there's a story because I [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► i enjoyed the episode actually quite a [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► lot but I i completely agree and I [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► figured this is how it would go actually [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► that with all yet it didn't make any [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► sense the the setup didn't really just [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► it doesn't compute [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► I have this is the showrunner problem [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► because any of the four of us could have [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► come up with a very simple Doctor Who [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► consistent explanation that would have [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► been like I don't know like well Oh in [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► the you know the disease progresses [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► normally but there's a technique where [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► if you know the clerk temporal energy [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► flux allows them they have to be kept [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► separate and maintained through these [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► separate paradox engines that one the [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► Pirates i like about about doctor who is [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► its attempt a lot of times to either not [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► do technobabble or to simplify it to a [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► ridiculous extend like like even the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► very first episode of the reboot [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► christopher eccleston says it's it's a [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► being of living plastic and i'm going to [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► kill it [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► Rose what are you gonna do that he holds [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► above a test tube and says auntie [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► plastic paper and that's it [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► Ryan necessary and that its brief [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► beautiful after all crushing [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► technobabble of some sci-fi TV shows I [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► so I like that about it that you know [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► they are more inclined to find some [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► super simplified way of saying well this [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► is how it is right really fast in a [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► English accent that I don't understand [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► and then we move on it could be because [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► we had over the river and stream if we [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► hold them in their own time stream the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► time energy lets them live 40 years [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► well you know what no you're perfectly [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► honest I wouldn't be surprised if that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► wasn't in the script originally and got [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► overtime because you know the whole [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► thing is that we know what they want to [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► do in this episode they want to have all [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► day me and you Amy there's no reason to [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► like overcomplicated with the full [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► Doctor Who's episode a jam it in so you [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► can fit in a good solid 40 minutes of [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► the story you want to tell give us a [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► simple premise that gives us all day [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► mean no I mean go with the show they [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► just spent a lot of wheels like it [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► wasn't that kind of episode is a [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► beautiful that is a beautiful episode i [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► that's right i think i think the more is [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► than trying to give us a framework but I [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► was I mean I was really I was touched by [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► this i was saying earlier watched it [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► twice today because I felt like I'd [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► missed like the emotional nuance not the [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► plot nuances in some episodes I was just [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► gonna say I'm gonna hand it to to Karen [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► Gilliam here because you know she's been [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► displaying summers are back and chops [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► throughout the the first couple series [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► which we've all given our group for but [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► the the nuances between old Amy and new [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► Amy are actually really quite striking [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► especially on second viewing just in [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► terms of the way that her voice patterns [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► work in the the way she says thanks it's [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► very it's actually really really [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► impressive [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► joining us now again from the red [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► waterfall is dave morin idea and thanks [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► for joining us [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► you promised you'd save me jason from [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► your separate timestream is this 50-year [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► old man or seven-year-old an abstract [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► it's 19 I get mad because I wrinkly hey [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► watch your hands to yourself models are [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► so I aside from the premise of the girl [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► who waited i mean i i've heard some [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► positive thoughts about III really i did [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► like it arm I kept wanting to love it [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► am i I'm not sure I got there I i like [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► most of it the premise again was just [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► sort of like all right I'm just gonna go [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► with it after a while and there was some [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► part of the resolution where the doctor [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► has Rory like plug things into slots and [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► it's two other kind of plugging of [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► things in order to resolve leverage with [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► the robot is another thing for the site [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► kind of episode yeah yeahs what it [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► seemed that kind of episode unnecessary [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► and and that led me down a little bit [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► but but the character stuff and that [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► that that core premise of you know Amy [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► what happens if if you end up realizing [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► that you missed a me by 40 years and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► you've got the opportunity to erase all [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► that time but she's lived it [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► that was great and the whole interaction [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► your karen gillan to to Rennes point [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► I've got a really good performance from [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► her in in both parts actually to show [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► some depth Amy the moment where she gets [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► out her lipstick and she see her husband [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► she hasn't seen for 40 years and then [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► just kind of was like no no and puts it [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► away [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► this is just really great stuff at the [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► heart of this episode if you can [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► kind of get past the kind of weird is it [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► I mean but it's you know I think this is [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► the the sort of the central dilemma [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► we've talked about with Doctor Who a lot [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► especially with the Steven Moffat [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► seasons is is it you know science [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► fiction or is it something else more [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► like a fairytale you know where things [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► don't necessarily have to you know [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► entirely make sense even I mean I you [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► know you mentioned that plugging things [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► in apartments that's really bother me i [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► thought well how you gonna resolve that [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► ok something ridiculous like that of [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► course that's how you resolve this [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► you're not going to like nitty-gritty [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► technical science cds hit details [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► because no one cares mean that though [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► the core of the stories are saying about [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► the characters and and I you know along [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► those lines I think you know adding [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► saying nice things about Arthur Darvill [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► who I think Rory has this season really [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► come into his own and especially in the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► last few episodes i think they've really [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► sort of finally got the handle on what [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► to do with him and he gets off the best [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► line in the episode which is to my mind [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► which is to sell the doctor you're [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► turning me into you right which i think [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► is the most damning thing to you know [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► hey this is another one of those [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► episodes where we get a look at the side [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► of the doctor that's not you know saving [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► everybody and helping everybody if [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► people coming around Rory are people [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► becoming Rory fans I really and I is [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► starting i think probably with [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► especially the beginning of the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► two-parter the one word that that scene [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► he gets to come in and talk to all the [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► Cybermen kind of threatened them i think [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► starting there and and sort of moving [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► forward in the last couple episodes I [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► have become increasingly a fan of him [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► but i think you know I think he's [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► finally gotten a place beyond just OS he [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► sort of this boy you know you sort of [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► there just to provide a love triangle [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► because I think we've clearly gotten in [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► the whole you know this episode [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► especially we've gotten well past the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► love triangle right thank ya [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► this is entirely about Rory and Amy's [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► relationship and Rory's the thing that [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► brings her around and I think that says [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► once and you know it certainly [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► conclusively that this is these to have [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► such a profound meaningful relationship [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► we got some really nice little flashback [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► stuff in there too right [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► like but i am still a little sick and [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► tired of being constantly reminded that [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► Rory and you know the enemy love each [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► other out [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► you get these universes ever know he's [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► got all your amazing balance the balance [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► from the beginning where Rory just [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► seemed annoying and your kind of like [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► wait why is it always you know Rory [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► still see the boys [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► yeah is this is more annoying moments [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► when you're right there [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► they're writing better giving him stuff [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► to do but his character still bothers me [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► a little bit [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► oh I don't but now he's more stand-up [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► and now he's you know he's the guy with [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► two thousand years he's the guy who you [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► know checked his wife down with the [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► doctors help across you know and that [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► reaches of space race become a bit of a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► badass [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► he's also use there's a little bit of [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► annoying but I actually the annoying has [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► become kind of endearing because now you [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► kind of see how it's shaping his [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► character in like there's the part of [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the right that's a little bit annoying [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► but the rest of him and the fact that he [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► is pretty much a stand-up good heart of [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► guy who just wants to you know do the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► best and things like that's it's a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► really interesting the way that they're [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► showing off more of that and I didn't [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► definitely in this episode as you're [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► mentioning damn that last line in fact [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► the whole relief the third act where he [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► just is kind of horrified by the doctors [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► actions and the doctor pretty much shows [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► no more something that's a great [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► character limit for oracle and he's he's [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► a total goofball and we've kind of all [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► known that since the beginning right but [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► at the same time he shows off a [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► something we're all accustomed to [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► thinking of the doctor has sort of you [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► know the heroic kind he's the guy who [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► swoops in and saves the day and whatever [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► but especially when we're setting him up [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► more and more with this sort of you know [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► that will it was really boys in with him [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► but he has this darker side [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► Rory represents I think more idealistic [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► view of that of what good is rather than [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► saying you know the doctors the one who [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► has to make the hard decisions and [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► sometimes those decisions are like sort [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► of you know ends justify the means but [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► worries there to provide sort of a [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► counterpoint to the you know you have to [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► do the right thing [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► angled and maybe that's just the benefit [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► of you know the doctors being 900 years [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► old versus you know Rory but i think it [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► provides an interesting dynamic these [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► are two guys who are both trying to do [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► the right thing but you know they have [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► markedly different approaches and so dr. [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► be another urself wery slip for 2,000 [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► years you mean [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► or has more words of rick moranis I [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► believe it good is dumb i was i thinking [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► that exact same quote by me and Scott on [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► the same way to like the night Karen O [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► only bad come of this [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► I'm frightened i started out in the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► beginning complaining about premise [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► stuff which is silly and we already sort [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► actual complaint not a complaint but [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► it's something I noticed about it you [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► meet this episode the good part right [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► that the young the old Amy and all that [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► business so I'm spring to lose my grip [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► on why these two are with the doctor [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► right because they talk about the things [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► like he said well I don't want to travel [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► with you anymore that's a choice you [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► have to make and you're turning me into [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► you and so on and so forth like that we [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► have the kind of happy-go-lucky travels [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► with the doctor episodes which are one [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► thing but when these horrible things [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► start happening i would expect the [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► happy-go-lucky travel to the doctor to [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► be kind of hi I'm insane like I would [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► expect living and traveling with the [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► doctor to be affecting these people more [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► profoundly and screwing them up because [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► otherwise why they have with them if [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► they're still well-adjusted in both love [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► each other go get a farmhouse somewhere [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► and live a happy life on whatever plans [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► you had the option to travel with it [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► also has a chain right so if you get the [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► feeling it's irresistible draw we have [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► to travel to the city manager dangerous [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► dangerous attractive the thing I find [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► interesting though about this is that [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► this was in Hawaii know when premise [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► this was supposed to be a happy-go-lucky [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► episode because the doctor preface it [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► with you know sparkling water falls and [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► things like he's basically saying I'm [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► gonna take you to a paradise planet [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► after all the other crap that we've been [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► through when it is rather than almost [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► every episode starts with ok now we're [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► going to go to a fantastic wonderful [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► place so that you can explore exactly [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► the Bliss of the innovation and maybe in [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► between the episodes they go to those [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► places obviously there's no conflict [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► right but it's not it's whatever i would [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► think these would be screwing them up [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► more and i would like to see that in [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► fact that we see kind of some of it like [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► saying you're turning me into you and [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► this is a horrible experience or [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► whatever like I i would like to see that [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► irresistible draw of seeing space that [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► manifest in them and say well I need two [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► sides of the same coin remember when [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► Rose was like well should i go back with [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► my family I mother there i got my [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► boyfriend or should I go travel with [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► this wonderful she had that conflict of [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► should I be a nice person on earth [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► should I traveled the space person you [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► could see the drugs seem to fall out in [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► other cases to Martha for example who [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► just decided to leave right because we [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► can't she can't add with it and so I [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► mean there's no saying that we won't see [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► that with with Amy around maybe they [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► have reached their breaking point yet [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► ok everything has been this looks like a [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► breaking point to me because it this [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► episode back but what I mean we also [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► have to remember they've already had [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► TARDIS baby I mean what-what can go more [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► wrong than that that's hardest baby [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► doesn't even get a mention in the last [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► one he had to kill his wife and this one [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► is one of his wives you know version of [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► his life matters and what is their first [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► baby come in earlier this episode and he [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► keeps time she keeps duplicating oh yeah [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► and I don't have the hardest baby no you [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► have to kill his alternate version of [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► his wife but he did it up due to a [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► betrayal of the doctor which is [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► something we haven't seen before so [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► direct so I'm going to explicitly lie to [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► you to make the resolution that I want [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► to happen even though they're not the [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► one that you want to happen you thought [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► you were talking about deliver the [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► doctor lies John yes this excellent the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► first episode where he's lied in such a [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► way that you have to kill you have to [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► terminate beyond that and that was just [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► my little scene to rain just dive right [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► saw what was coming soon as you're [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► standing there the door and yet i still [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► find myself unable to believe that he [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► actually did it but Rory is Ricky not a [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► degree of making these decisions right [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► he cannot run you cannot make that kind [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► of decision clearly the doctors said [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► yeah he handles what way me but also not [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► anything he told him to do it yeah so he [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► didn't really make the decision he [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► always is [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► he's waiting for other people to tell [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► him what to do he's like it you know an [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► idiot in the time I don't know about [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► that but I think the hearing Scots and [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► overly arch yeah really great really [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► listens to all angles and he thinks [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► about it more than everybody else amy is [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► definitely the rash when he's the moral [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► know he's the moral compass you know a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► lot of the Companions travelling in the [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► TARDIS as a nurse he should be able to [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► make instant life-and-death decisions [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► based on intuition that that's the one [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► thing like sometimes he acts like a [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► nurse and sometimes he doesn't i prefer [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► to hear [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► allowing nurse that's the something come [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► now let's not insult that okay yeah how [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► many times when you're a nurse you have [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► to decide whether they kill your new [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► wife or your old boy freely like you [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► don't come up every day every day it'll [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► be an integral and hospitals the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► beautiful thing in this episode those I [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► thought if this is this is one of the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► central sci-fi premises is the basis of [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► consciousness what is the person what is [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► the continuation of nature of [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► consciousness and if you erase someone's [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► memories for 40 years and you give them [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► a young body you give them a new body [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► move the brain / you duplicate them but [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► there's Wi-Fi is full of these ideas [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► about how you know where's the soul of [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► what is consciousness what is you know [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► we know all those things and I thought [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► this was a great examination of a of a [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► piece of it and it's that's the thing i [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► like is she was strong in the sense of [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► knowing that she was going to lose that [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► entire entire life would not just winds [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► die soon no longer exists which is sort [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► of the the horror of some of the whole [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► arc before to the whole the universe and [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► last season so here's my question she it [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► is not that she just stops existing she [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► never did exist so distraught over her [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► will they not remember that happened but [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► they're outside anything out of that [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► episode where we will remember they can [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► really just cutters today just cut her [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► off and while she didn't she got for her [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► timestream disappear like she chose to [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► die at the hands of the little stupid [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► medical robots instead of letting [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► herself be really know what I wanted to [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► raise that she's fading away that last [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► shot [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► yeah just just please get off here's the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► thing that I want to see I want to see a [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► conclusion episode in which every [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► alternate evil duplicated killed self of [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► theirs that they've left behind shows up [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► like that are stories is it sounds like [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► a very bad idea [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► adorables army Hey look I mean look at [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► the upside Rory didn't even die in the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► subs just barely know that's impressive [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► that I need to get he did get bopped on [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► the head by one of those one of those [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► white guys involved in fact yes the hand [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► bots I i do have to say I really feel [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► like the only reason the hand box on [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► this episode is so that we could have a [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► high five that kills them because stupid [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► well there's also be insulting you need [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► Wilson I'm sorry Rory in [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► her hideaway yeah she having sex with [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► that robot that's the question of where [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► did you get the batteries [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► I'm just saying that was quite you see [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► that robot you see hurry you think she [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► had looked yet mascara she could find if [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► she could find a katana I'm sure she [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► could find a magic marker [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► oh yeah that's true that's not with [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► chocolate different Hardware because the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► Appalachians were whatever the name of [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► that place was yeah yeah Johnny's were [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► kappa said that's like the yeah yeah [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► yeahs Apple recounts a fancy helpfully [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► word this is another episode with really [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► poorly designed ineffectual robots I [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► don't understand what the point is they [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► you know they do high-fives and it [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► disables them you hit them with the Mona [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► Lisa and they blah okay well um had a [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► paper and release on paper but [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► apparently did well there wasn't much [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► accounts they couldn't afford the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► actually sir what banana which museum [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► shop poster i work as a security guy [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► right so you would think that the there [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► Our Lives going to say oh you're an [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► unauthorized guess but yet you can [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► interact with the interface will tell [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► you everything about the place it [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense why me but yeah [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► she does get logged in which was a [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► little a little strange she gets welcome [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► to the facility at first [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► well I think it was more on yeah you [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► always mortgage and the invading of the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► robots looks like I just like the anti [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► bodies from the yeah everybody's at the [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► hospital the antibodies were a lot [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► scarier but you know speaking of the [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► antibodies i was playing outside my wife [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► play portal one recently and I realized [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► they ripped off that line of like you [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► know you will feel tingling sensation [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► and death 101 hold almost works right [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► Yes No from like it when you're going to [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► like don't fall into the water you will [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► experience rather followed by death was [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► it was almost phrase exactly the same [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► way but if you're gonna rip something [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► off its place to do it [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► great minds think absolutely the I don't [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► know I thought the hand box looked a [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► little bit like the design of Marvin in [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► the ocean action of hitchhikers guide [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► and although I i did like how they look [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and I liked the episode look I liked all [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► the weight room isn't and sort of [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► airport empty airport terminal feelings [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► and you know I liked how it looked like [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► how it was shot there are some [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► interesting direction and and [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► cinematography choices the back and [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► forth between old Amy and Rory on either [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► side of the target store where we sort [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► of dissolved back and forth while they [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► were talking was really good and there [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► was a there were a bunch of wipes as [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► transitions that was kind of stuff I [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► haven't really seen on Doctor Who before [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► so i really liked in addition to the [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► kind of emotional content at the core of [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► this episode i really liked how it [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► looked again it was it was the this [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► certain stuff didn't make sense to me [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► but there are lots of things about it [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► that I really liked what they came up [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► with you thought you knew it was going [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► to happen you figured the my assumption [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► was so old amy has to sacrifice yourself [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► for young Amy and I said what happens at [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► all I mean she does in the end [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► yes but she doesn't go willingly and she [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► says that means she says that the [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► beginning she weekends then she wants to [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► make a deal and then at the door when [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► she figures no other choice then she's [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► willing finally to make the sacrifice [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► but it is hard she is going screaming [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► into that good night old and I'm like [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► finally at last somebody who isn't just [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► you know the noble sacrifice like she'd [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► earned runs or live one of the things I [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► really like about this episode is the [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► they catch it the doctor and recounted [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► at what we want to save Amy from the 36 [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► years of what you described as hell [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► being here we can save you as a younger [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► person from having to experience this [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► and they can say that all they like but [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► at the core of that and it's just clear [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► and every moment that they're together [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that old Amy and Rory are together that [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► what he's really doing is saying well of [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► course i would prefer if you were my [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► young wife than my old wife [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► yeah which I would choose I would choose [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► the one who hasn't aged and I don't even [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► families many weekends [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► oh no that's that's their I mean that is [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► absolutely how can it not be there that [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► that they will be he doesn't know her [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► anymore really write like that yeah I [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► don't know what everybody changes like I [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► think it's the you know he he has a [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► really hard time relating to those woman [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► who's lived this 36 years he doesn't [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► even want her to touch him you know when [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► she first shows up right well get a [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► little 2,000 years and then showed up [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► for her so yeah this is always leaning [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► over [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► yeah i feel i feel like with with what I [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► mean even say it in the episode where [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► it's like well I wanted to grow old with [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► you and the idea of losing all of those [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► years I mean if you had you know the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► person you love more than anything if [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you had 20 years to spend with them [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► before they died or 50 years to spend [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► with them before they died you would [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► want to naturally choose the 50 years [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► and i love the fact that Lori still [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► absolutely love with her [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► I like the central premise of their love [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► too because he's a cocky weird guy and [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► you know and she's and she's a young [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► hottie smarty pants with no job on earth [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► you know she's right so she's not like [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► this great prize in some ways just good [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► looking at but she's really smart and [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► there's but they're both they're both [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► selfless they both do the right thing [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► when called upon and i love the fact [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► that that her descriptions like you know [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the it's more how love actually works [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► I thought it was very honest way of [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► talking about love actually works how [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► two people fall in love and stay in love [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► rather than that you know the shallower [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► thing about you know is an [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► attractiveness and then that's the thing [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► that you stick with like no she's a [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► little deeper than that and so is he and [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► that's why she married this cocky guy [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► and that's not a cocky we not he's not [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► he's easygoing is now these TV cocky [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► like in real life would be like with my [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► answers but in the end there and puffy [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► yes that everyone but oh now he's cocky [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► yeah but it's still gonna keep on TV no [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► one to see that you know I got back to [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► maybe take on why [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► Rory's dilemma between the young and the [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► old my my feeling and all those scenes [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► was that Rory's overwhelming feeling [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► towards the old amy was that he couldn't [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► help but empathize with the things that [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► she's gone through and blame himself for [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► that so she was always thought he was [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► linked with taking the whole day because [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► like oh my God look what I did look what [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► she's been through and she still is the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► person that I love even though she's [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► older so I didn't think ull I didn't [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► think it was even entering his mind [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► about in fact I think he was starting to [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► toss the young Arrius this is the person [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► I love and I've made her suffer so [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► terribly it's kind of like you feel like [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► you have to make amends for that our [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► like comfort the person or make up for [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► your career you know your failure [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► previously so I thought he was gonna go [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► with the old I mean I knew that would [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► really happen is kind of rooting for in [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► the back of my mind I would go with the [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► olden right because because she deserves [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► it she's suffered and she suffered to [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► get and [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► your fault you feel bad about cutting it [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► all off his kind of cheating isn't it I [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► mean yeah that while the rules of time [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► travel that are supposed to be the rules [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► right a doctor the doctor that's good [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► responses she's not real and I'm like oh [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► come on that's nothing the doctor [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► actually felt the doctors actions were [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► rather non-genuine at the end he pushes [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► I'm sorry a Glock closes the door locks [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► that any you know he says she's not real [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► it's like once using the target once [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► he's done that he sort of pretending to [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► sever the timestream perhaps but if the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► doctor was out of character he's not [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► times i don't know i think i think [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► that's an extreme decision [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► keep in mind he's already made her wait [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► before right when she was a little girl [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► I think I think the doctor in carriers [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► from is willing to do that to her again [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► and he will even if you have to cut off [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► her too much true to do and i think i [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► can even make an argument for [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► self-delusion herself convincing at that [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► point right [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► he needs to tell himself that she's not [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► real in order or else he's gonna have a [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► real hard time thinking about you know [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► what he's actually done a doctor can't [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► come to come to guilt or bad terrible [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► terrible things happen and practically [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► speaking I want to see an old Amy for [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► the remainder of the season gets back [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► we're going elsewhere old make up the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► rest with the hottest fifty-year-old [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► that you've ever seen yeah I lack an act [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► but the rest of her was like those good [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► old age makeup that I find my nose it [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► was flat line i gotta say i love secret [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► part of me was rooting for both of them [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► to make it on the TARDIS because of that [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► one section where she's like just pop by [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► Christmas and Easter and I'm like man [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► that would be a hilarious [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► yeah subplot to have on doctor who is [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► just old old Karen gallery hopping [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► around the galaxy on her own [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► well you know this reminds me a little [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► bit of Elizabeth train sladen a bit like [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► when when David tenantry meets her and [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► she's aged you know Sarah Jane is aged [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► in the episode of this schoolhouse there [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► and got lost [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► hey yeah and it's into these younger [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► right he's even gotten younger the last [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► time last incarnation is probably and [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► it's that same thing it's like the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► doctor keeps moving on coming on and [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► he's met doctors met his match and [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► marine Amy because they have messed up x [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► James she's the one who rebuilds [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► universe because she remembers he waits [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► work with 2,000 years that's a different [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► time stream [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► she waits 40 years [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► and is able to but I collapse of the [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► time strange so he's actually i would [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► argue that they have they have some a [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► few different things up on him [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► it always come back for the debt 800 [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► dodge I'm sorry only 15 whatever we [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► haven't we haven't seen the other side [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► off-screen yeah exactly that's ok you [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► have killed again they can all of those [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► honeymoon vacations that are off-screen [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► as well so let me ask let me ask this [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► because we've spent a lot of time on [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► this episode did people all in all an [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► imbalance did you did you enjoy it did [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► you like it [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► I did I i quite enjoyed it and besides [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► like little little things here and there [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► I still think it was a really [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► interesting look at withhold Amy and you [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► Amy and you know what [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► as was it Scott are you saying that or [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► was John were you saying about how how [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► it's sort of pushing them to their [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► breaking point about being with the [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► doctor because I think that's definitely [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► true in a way and you really do notice [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► it may be said that of you gentlemen [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► oh definitely well yeah because they're [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► they're not going to stay with the [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► doctor for I've ever do I mean but we [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► didn't they keep coming to get him back [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► right there's been two instances so far [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► we're trying to signal memories from the [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► signal them [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► yeah they will have never existed very [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► well just cut off a time stream right [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► Scott did you like this episode I [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► overall I did I really doctor who drives [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► me crazy with the improbable I mean the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► very you know premises improbable but [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► that you expect you accept certain [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► things and then they just pushed a [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► little too far but it was saved by all [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► the emotional stuff I think emotional [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► crap [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► yeah they don't really care about TF [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► girls like I I knew you were working [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► with their stats here there's got I get [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► I can tell United fast / removing I [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► thought the whole the premise of it was [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► very moving but they didn't need the [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► stupid technology on top of it right [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► John I think yeah so there were lots of [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► horrible things in it but the the two [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► amys the two amys part of it like the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► hardest of the episode I like episodes [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► of Doctor Who where somebody does [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► something horrible something horrible [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► happens to someone else like I like them [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► so that the doctor the doctor closing [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► that door or its previous doctor who but [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► yeah i wanna see I wanna really [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► also those the two amys their make that [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► episode for me I really did like her [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► performance as the old Amy I thought it [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► was convincing and good and not clichéd [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► like if there was no sort of [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► conciliatory oh it's okay we're still [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► buddies like she was she was cold to him [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► she was weird just messed up from being [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► alone for a long time hated the doctor [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► right and she didn't watch you didn't [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► set is someone pointed out because you [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► didn't sacrifice yourself for autistic [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► no I want to live let me in the front [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► artists on the hell you know it was all [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► that was good and it redeemed the [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► episode and put it over the fifty [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► percent mark alright damn 51-percent I i [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► really like this and in fact i think the [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► entire this season which I thought [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► started really weak as really [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► transformed into a much stronger you [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► know storyline after with that two-part [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► starting with the two-parter with the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► the the baby and prevent revelations of [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► our trunk and I thought that this week's [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► episode and last week's episode were [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► really I i enjoyed by both and i think [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► i'm looking forward much more to the end [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► of this season now and I I mean the [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► improbability stuff doesn't bother me as [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► much i'm terrible with potholes as [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► anyone who's ever read anything I've [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► written can attest I I just don't I you [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► know I don't think about them as much I [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► don't find myself worrying about them [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► and so I am more invested in the [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► character aspect of it and I thought [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► this really delivered on fat and it was [TS]