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56: Let Me in the Frickin` TARDIS!

 

00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 56 [TS]

00:00:07   September 2011 [TS]

00:00:11   we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:13   I'm Jason L this is one of those flash [TS]

00:00:15   podcasts by flash I mean we don't edit [TS]

00:00:19   it and we just record a skype [TS]

00:00:20   conversation and it saves me a lot of [TS]

00:00:21   work haha [TS]

00:00:23   anyway we're here to talk about the two [TS]

00:00:25   most recent episodes of the BBC's Doctor [TS]

00:00:28   Who season 6 part to the episodes in [TS]

00:00:32   question are night terrors and the girl [TS]

00:00:36   who waited which of air over the last [TS]

00:00:38   two weeks [TS]

00:00:40   joining me today to discuss these two [TS]

00:00:43   episodes at least for now joining me are [TS]

00:00:46   ten fleischmann hi Glenn [TS]

00:00:48   I've been recording this for 36 years [TS]

00:00:50   six months and three days and finally [TS]

00:00:53   you calling me you took the slower path [TS]

00:00:55   i see huh [TS]

00:00:56   don't ever press the red water ball I'm [TS]

00:00:58   telling you it's a joe haldeman path [TS]

00:01:01   scoffing multi is also here hi Scott let [TS]

00:01:04   me take off my gloves so i can see you [TS]

00:01:06   all [TS]

00:01:06   mm and John siracusa is also present i'm [TS]

00:01:11   in the correct time screen as always [TS]

00:01:12   that now [TS]

00:01:14   actually we joke about this but two [TS]

00:01:16   members of our panel did press via the [TS]

00:01:19   red waterfall and the right it's the red [TS]

00:01:22   with the green anchor and the redwater [TS]

00:01:24   floor right at this trailer nautically [TS]

00:01:27   themed as all hospitals are apparently [TS]

00:01:29   yes so you know who universe so Dan [TS]

00:01:32   Morgan and serenity Caldwell press the [TS]

00:01:34   red waterfall and lost to us an [TS]

00:01:36   alternate time stream at least for now [TS]

00:01:37   they're out of sync with us in terms of [TS]

00:01:40   time which is our way of saying they're [TS]

00:01:42   late so I'm two episodes interesting [TS]

00:01:48   standalone episodes which is kind of [TS]

00:01:49   nice to see I think after so many r kv [TS]

00:01:51   episodes this season [TS]

00:01:54   who would like to talk about last week's [TS]

00:01:56   episode night terrors in which a young [TS]

00:01:58   child that calls for the doctor because [TS]

00:02:00   he's got monsters in his room and his [TS]

00:02:02   his calls are answered by little I [TS]

00:02:07   thought it was a classic you know quirky [TS]

00:02:10   doctor you know everything's gonna turn [TS]

00:02:12   out all right in the end no one's going [TS]

00:02:13   to die sort of episode which is how [TS]

00:02:15   spoiler it did it had that had that air [TS]

00:02:19   of because the episodes in which things [TS]

00:02:21   go really awry and the doctor has to set [TS]

00:02:23   things [TS]

00:02:24   and if he does not people people have [TS]

00:02:26   already died terrible things happen and [TS]

00:02:27   so forth and allow those tend to be the [TS]

00:02:29   mythology episodes and you have these [TS]

00:02:30   kind of like quirky funny ones in which [TS]

00:02:32   lost terrifying things happen but you [TS]

00:02:35   sort of it's more like a fairy tale and [TS]

00:02:36   that's what the category this fit in and [TS]

00:02:39   I don't know I thought I thought it was [TS]

00:02:40   fun it was a little more like an older [TS]

00:02:42   doctor who didn't have the feeling of [TS]

00:02:44   the newer episodes much and it was a [TS]

00:02:46   little more on you know horror oriented [TS]

00:02:48   which I i think the new series is much [TS]

00:02:50   more about than the old series were it's [TS]

00:02:53   sort of a trademark but I never got the [TS]

00:02:55   full creepy like giant dolls walking [TS]

00:02:57   around and so forth never really got up [TS]

00:03:00   my spine and I thought the central [TS]

00:03:02   mystery was a little fan like often [TS]

00:03:04   there's multiple stories running a good [TS]

00:03:06   show of any kind any kind of drama or [TS]

00:03:08   comedy is UAB and sometimes CND [TS]

00:03:10   bloodlines and I felt there was sort of [TS]

00:03:12   like an a-line here and one central [TS]

00:03:14   mystery once that was sort of that it [TS]

00:03:16   was like okay and we put all the pieces [TS]

00:03:17   in place but as the parents i did have [TS]

00:03:21   you always get that knowing in your soul [TS]

00:03:23   when you see a child you know in harm's [TS]

00:03:25   way and you always delighted to see [TS]

00:03:27   parents step up to the plate and do the [TS]

00:03:30   thing that's right for the children [TS]

00:03:31   because they have such love for their [TS]

00:03:33   little boy or girl so that's what I [TS]

00:03:36   thought about it the dad right in the [TS]

00:03:38   end it's the dad's job to to say but of [TS]

00:03:40   course i love you and I would never want [TS]

00:03:42   you to go away and and he he's the one [TS]

00:03:44   who has to make that statement dr. can't [TS]

00:03:46   save the little boy in the end yeah I [TS]

00:03:48   wasn't prepared for exactly that moment [TS]

00:03:49   I was like oh that is honorably sweet [TS]

00:03:52   even rest the episode West investor live [TS]

00:03:54   up to the potential was kind of fun with [TS]

00:03:56   that one moment is like oh that's been [TS]

00:03:57   running down and grabbing his child is [TS]

00:03:59   just you know that's the way you know if [TS]

00:04:01   you remember if we can borrow if we go [TS]

00:04:02   back to the christopher eccleston dr. we [TS]

00:04:05   that's direct echo of the doctor dances [TS]

00:04:08   episode the two-parter which we need [TS]

00:04:10   Captain Jack and their backhand World [TS]

00:04:12   War two it all these people are turning [TS]

00:04:13   into this our gas bearings things yeah [TS]

00:04:17   at the end it's the young woman who has [TS]

00:04:20   a child out of wedlock embraces her to [TS]

00:04:22   transform child and says yes i am your [TS]

00:04:24   money and that's that act of love is the [TS]

00:04:27   transformative act they're kind of SAP's [TS]

00:04:29   that doctor who in some way and I kind [TS]

00:04:31   of like that sort of thing but the [TS]

00:04:33   doctor dances was much better episode so [TS]

00:04:35   I think it has i've truly great yes [TS]

00:04:37   actors are like five things going on [TS]

00:04:39   actually resolved and use them all in [TS]

00:04:41   interesting ways they were not been [TS]

00:04:43   exactly this was kind of a one-note look [TS]

00:04:45   creepy dolls oh the boys and actually an [TS]

00:04:48   alien [TS]

00:04:48   everybody loves you get it was more like [TS]

00:04:51   the boys an alien is he [TS]

00:04:54   I guess you mean he doesn't do anything [TS]

00:04:57   he doesn't glow or anything he's just a [TS]

00:04:59   boy they say well he's an alien but he's [TS]

00:05:01   a boy now but he was an alien but he's [TS]

00:05:03   not now it's always a teenager way to [TS]

00:05:06   those teenagers up they spent all the [TS]

00:05:08   budget on the dolls so apparently but [TS]

00:05:11   yeah these are this and the last week's [TS]

00:05:13   episode in this week's episode are the I [TS]

00:05:16   think we blew too much money early in [TS]

00:05:18   this already this season and we're [TS]

00:05:20   saving up for stuff later [TS]

00:05:22   did did it seem to you guys that the [TS]

00:05:26   well first off they're the dolls right [TS]

00:05:29   which were which were weird and and and [TS]

00:05:32   I didn't think we're particularly scary [TS]

00:05:34   especially since they don't really do [TS]

00:05:37   anything except follow you around and [TS]

00:05:39   occasionally turn you into a doll i'm [TS]

00:05:42   gonna knock over pretty easy [TS]

00:05:44   yeah it did I I didn't feel a lot of of [TS]

00:05:47   Jeopardy from them and then and then it [TS]

00:05:48   didn't also seem to you that there was a [TS]

00:05:51   whole lot put into the idea that you [TS]

00:05:53   were going to be shocked when you [TS]

00:05:55   discovered that Rory and Amy were inside [TS]

00:05:57   a dollhouse in his closet when I just [TS]

00:06:01   sort of never thought that was a [TS]

00:06:03   surprise and I thought them running [TS]

00:06:05   around in the dollhouse was kind of [TS]

00:06:06   boring [TS]

00:06:07   yep horrifying surprise don't know where [TS]

00:06:11   Nadal haha no way i'm sure in Las the [TS]

00:06:15   dollhouse you're being chased by giant [TS]

00:06:17   dolls and you showed us adult house in [TS]

00:06:19   the closet [TS]

00:06:20   I couldn't put 22 yeah and yet it seems [TS]

00:06:22   sort of like the episode wants it to be [TS]

00:06:23   a big revelation and they know it's just [TS]

00:06:26   a it's dolls in a dollhouse and that's [TS]

00:06:28   that's all you got is I mean because i [TS]

00:06:30   like that i like the tone I how it's [TS]

00:06:32   dark and it's supposed to be scary and [TS]

00:06:33   all that but but I kept thinking to [TS]

00:06:35   myself is this it is this it is this [TS]

00:06:38   heat is there another level here and [TS]

00:06:40   other than the stuff with you know with [TS]

00:06:42   a father which even that seems sort of [TS]

00:06:43   contrived like well we have a [TS]

00:06:45   conversation once when I was worried we [TS]

00:06:46   were going to have to send him away and [TS]

00:06:48   that is the motivation for this whole [TS]

00:06:50   thing is just [TS]

00:06:51   it you know it it felt on the surface [TS]

00:06:53   like there was a really great episode [TS]

00:06:55   here and then I just kept thinking [TS]

00:06:56   really thats it thats that's as deep as [TS]

00:06:59   it's gonna go [TS]

00:07:00   yeah you wanted the thing like that you [TS]

00:07:01   know i can't wait for Aslan to come out [TS]

00:07:03   of the closet myself but you keep [TS]

00:07:05   waiting for also something else to come [TS]

00:07:08   up like you know it's like okay there's [TS]

00:07:10   some other this is part of a bigger [TS]

00:07:11   thing or I mean if you look at like the [TS]

00:07:14   sort of silly episode the data 10 [TS]

00:07:17   episode with the but puffin fresh kids [TS]

00:07:20   was that one called the the little um [TS]

00:07:23   often fresh kids you know that way [TS]

00:07:26   without water the avoirdupois the there [TS]

00:07:29   are people's fat and they add a adipose [TS]

00:07:33   thank you like even that was a silly [TS]

00:07:35   episode you have like people decomposing [TS]

00:07:38   into little creatures and and weird [TS]

00:07:40   stuff and then running up and down [TS]

00:07:41   corridors and whatever that was you know [TS]

00:07:44   same period of time lot more scenery and [TS]

00:07:46   it's not similar theme I know but we [TS]

00:07:48   sort of similar like silly was sort of [TS]

00:07:50   ridiculous episode but you had medicine [TS]

00:07:52   it you had some mythology brought in [TS]

00:07:54   because Don and the doctor find each [TS]

00:07:56   other again that's incidental but it's [TS]

00:07:57   in there was such a rich thing I had [TS]

00:07:59   trouble [TS]

00:08:00   episode over at like was this really a [TS]

00:08:01   full-length episode this felt like a [TS]

00:08:03   14-page comic book of Doctor Who so [TS]

00:08:06   enjoyable but you know it's like this is [TS]

00:08:08   like a 15-minute cereal thing it's not [TS]

00:08:10   like a you know full 40 plus minute [TS]

00:08:12   entry in the in the Canon alright John [TS]

00:08:15   what about you know what [TS]

00:08:17   when I saw your email go out of what [TS]

00:08:18   we're going to be talking about tonight [TS]

00:08:20   I panting like that i'm missing app but [TS]

00:08:22   you talking about this night terrorist [TS]

00:08:23   thing that the episode was so [TS]

00:08:25   forgettable I'd literally forgotten that [TS]

00:08:26   I'd seen it was that I literally the [TS]

00:08:28   page and I said oh yeah I did right [TS]

00:08:31   yeah I thought that would be like jason [TS]

00:08:33   said it was shot really well and I like [TS]

00:08:35   they set up this atmosphere and you know [TS]

00:08:36   they were really trying to be creepy but [TS]

00:08:38   it just was not it was not create an [TS]

00:08:40   apostle big thing of it that halloween [TS]

00:08:43   quality full head masks are a doctor who [TS]

00:08:46   like forehead makeup is the star trek I [TS]

00:08:48   I don't then they just got they loved [TS]

00:08:51   the big head big heads now that's the [TS]

00:08:53   way to do the makeup just take take some [TS]

00:08:55   giant mask over the head of an actor [TS]

00:08:56   have walk slowly and that the head mask [TS]

00:08:58   and look like very adamant had was not [TS]

00:09:00   creepy was not scary legs [TS]

00:09:03   it's down yeah you know I didn't really [TS]

00:09:04   watch the episode that's not last week [TS]

00:09:05   and I watched the the new episode twice [TS]

00:09:08   today in fact i watch the second time [TS]

00:09:10   because i wanted to see that wanted to [TS]

00:09:11   get more of the subtlety of it and i'll [TS]

00:09:13   watch it again and that lassoed the [TS]

00:09:15   eagerly-awaited election watch that [TS]

00:09:18   again I'll probably that again and again [TS]

00:09:19   over the years but this one I don't [TS]

00:09:22   think I will ever ever flip again so all [TS]

00:09:25   all of that agreed to buy me and yet i [TS]

00:09:29   will i will now bring in an opposing [TS]

00:09:32   viewpoint which is that my my freshly [TS]

00:09:37   turned seven-year-old son watch this [TS]

00:09:39   episode with us and was absolutely [TS]

00:09:44   terrified oh wow ok so there's little [TS]

00:09:48   children so you know part of and as [TS]

00:09:53   adults we look at this and we say well [TS]

00:09:54   you know it really was my favorite part [TS]

00:09:57   of what doctor who is made for is not [TS]

00:10:00   for us right it is to scare little [TS]

00:10:02   children that that's actually one of the [TS]

00:10:04   things that supposed to do and i have to [TS]

00:10:06   say it did that it was it was scary my [TS]

00:10:09   daughter thought it was scary my son [TS]

00:10:11   thought it was terrifying and basically [TS]

00:10:13   said if the is going to be that scary [TS]

00:10:14   anymore i don't want to watch Doctor Who [TS]

00:10:16   anymore because it was too scary for me [TS]

00:10:17   and I'm afraid of the dolls so lots of [TS]

00:10:20   things together although i think i think [TS]

00:10:21   the music actually scared more than [TS]

00:10:23   anything else because he's very [TS]

00:10:24   sensitive to sort of music cues that are [TS]

00:10:26   scary things but whatever it it it did [TS]

00:10:29   the job there so i will point out [TS]

00:10:31   Jason's son and my older son are born [TS]

00:10:33   exactly the same day and year and my son [TS]

00:10:36   we had our time to watch winnie-the-pooh [TS]

00:10:38   a couple years ago so if he watched this [TS]

00:10:41   episode he would never sleep again so he [TS]

00:10:45   is not doctor who is like I was 42 I [TS]

00:10:47   might be able to get them to watch it [TS]

00:10:48   good little anxiety about that kind of [TS]

00:10:51   thing will have a lot of episodes backed [TS]

00:10:53   up by that expect collects the 4000 [TS]

00:10:55   episodes and his neural implant then all [TS]

00:10:57   at once and five seconds we need who is [TS]

00:10:59   terrifying [TS]

00:11:00   it's true those bees got dammit yeah it [TS]

00:11:04   and it's you know again the atmosphere [TS]

00:11:07   don't beat this episode to death like we [TS]

00:11:08   did with the pirates but the atmosphere [TS]

00:11:10   that let's take it out the analogy [TS]

00:11:11   atmosphere was good while the alley is [TS]

00:11:13   where there's the big a pile of garbage [TS]

00:11:14   cans that the old lady gets sucked [TS]

00:11:16   into garbage bags matter how much and I [TS]

00:11:19   got that you were terrified it's like [TS]

00:11:21   that the garbage bag sucker in and then [TS]

00:11:23   she got that it didn't really make a lot [TS]

00:11:25   of sense [TS]

00:11:26   no no and married british shows always [TS]

00:11:29   have that old lady is that the rule [TS]

00:11:31   yeah absolutely yes well there's a lot [TS]

00:11:32   of actor older actors who need work and [TS]

00:11:34   the government make sure that their [TS]

00:11:35   employees trip that's called socialism [TS]

00:11:37   socialism miss that's the Miss Marple [TS]

00:11:39   Little Miss Marple right i don't i just [TS]

00:11:42   isn't making sense again it was it was [TS]

00:11:44   all the all the things you expect to see [TS]

00:11:46   in as a creepy story and and it's meant [TS]

00:11:49   to be scary music scary and something [TS]

00:11:51   happens except it was kind of randomly [TS]

00:11:53   placed didn't and you know it didn't [TS]

00:11:55   hold together to me and and we don't [TS]

00:11:57   forget the great line there is one great [TS]

00:11:59   line of this and say Jason you know what [TS]

00:12:01   it is we're dead again [TS]

00:12:03   no they're worried feeling like they're [TS]

00:12:07   actually both dead and all that you know [TS]

00:12:10   there are some there are some those were [TS]

00:12:12   nice moments but yeah I didn't do it for [TS]

00:12:14   me at all [TS]

00:12:15   it was it was a real i don't think was [TS]

00:12:17   bad like I think the pirate episode was [TS]

00:12:20   bad but I pirate episode gets more of [TS]

00:12:23   our hate because the pirate episode had [TS]

00:12:26   like a bigger budget and they have [TS]

00:12:27   pirates what you can do something with [TS]

00:12:29   and they have with sadness was just like [TS]

00:12:31   it pirates and an alien spaceship this [TS]

00:12:33   had the apartment building [TS]

00:12:35   so this is at least didn't squander its [TS]

00:12:37   potential really had none and i think [TS]

00:12:39   that the the doctor and the the father [TS]

00:12:42   had nice moments i was enjoying a doctor [TS]

00:12:44   is trying to explain to people who do [TS]

00:12:46   not know who he is what he is and what [TS]

00:12:48   he does i was find that fascinating and [TS]

00:12:51   the guise of being from like the [TS]

00:12:53   government it right exactly and he's [TS]

00:12:55   like where's your little finger forces i [TS]

00:12:57   like to think it's like look into my [TS]

00:12:58   eyes and you're like that's so that's [TS]

00:13:00   actually not exactly call back but [TS]

00:13:02   that's a hitchhiker's guide moment [TS]

00:13:03   there's a bit where for drip prefect [TS]

00:13:05   looks at the barman before the earth is [TS]

00:13:07   blown up and it looks a bit of angst [TS]

00:13:10   about being away from home and it says [TS]

00:13:12   like this us every creature universe and [TS]

00:13:14   it's a subliminal signal and times of [TS]

00:13:16   stress that indicates precisely how far [TS]

00:13:18   they were far away from other born but [TS]

00:13:20   the earth you can never be very far away [TS]

00:13:21   but he was from beetlejuice [TS]

00:13:22   so he looked at the bar minus the barman [TS]

00:13:24   felt every inch of the [TS]

00:13:26   over many light-years he was and [TS]

00:13:27   believed him and I thought it was that [TS]

00:13:29   same look into my eyes [TS]

00:13:31   these eyes have seen many things alright [TS]

00:13:33   alright i guess we should speak no more [TS]

00:13:34   about this episode and I have one more [TS]

00:13:37   thing we have to do one more complaint [TS]

00:13:39   hold excellent up but I don't like it [TS]

00:13:41   thick [TS]

00:13:41   remember when we were stuck on that [TS]

00:13:43   right we're at the end of every episode [TS]

00:13:44   that the doctor had to look at the [TS]

00:13:45   screen with the program not pregnant ya [TS]

00:13:47   missed me now the new thing is at the [TS]

00:13:50   end of every episode yes look at the [TS]

00:13:52   screen and see is little death date card [TS]

00:13:54   from from the archives at the screen [TS]

00:13:56   which miraculously the camera can see [TS]

00:13:58   the doctor can see we can see but the [TS]

00:14:00   people standing two feet to his left [TS]

00:14:01   cannot see for some reason what are you [TS]

00:14:03   looking at honest with his ring shield [TS]

00:14:05   on it it's literally distortion so so [TS]

00:14:07   here's a funny thing about that episode [TS]

00:14:09   is it was shot as part of the first [TS]

00:14:11   block of the series along with the neil [TS]

00:14:14   gaiman episode and then they delayed it [TS]

00:14:16   i think because they're they're [TS]

00:14:18   basically both episodes where people run [TS]

00:14:21   around dark quarters [TS]

00:14:22   I mean really that and and I i suspect [TS]

00:14:26   maybe that scene was really written to [TS]

00:14:27   have it be the Amy pregnant pregnant and [TS]

00:14:31   then they had to change it in order to [TS]

00:14:32   change people like basically just happy [TS]

00:14:34   I episode the doctor seeing a screen [TS]

00:14:36   that no one else can see even though [TS]

00:14:37   they're standing right next to what's on [TS]

00:14:38   the screen can change it also explains [TS]

00:14:40   why Amy and Rory don't spend any time [TS]

00:14:42   dwelling on the fact that they just [TS]

00:14:44   discovered all these things about their [TS]

00:14:46   daughter who they grew up with now and [TS]

00:14:48   yes now river so that's sort of like we [TS]

00:14:50   don't think about that so so which I [TS]

00:14:53   like from a standalone perspective and I [TS]

00:14:55   don't like in a sense that it did feel [TS]

00:14:57   awfully charring because if if we're [TS]

00:14:58   gonna spend every episode dwelling on [TS]

00:15:00   oh wow he's gonna die but we can't tell [TS]

00:15:03   him why would we spend any time dwelling [TS]

00:15:05   on the fact that you know our little [TS]

00:15:06   baby that we just had is never going to [TS]

00:15:08   grow up with us as their parents because [TS]

00:15:11   of time-traveling Jana it just seems [TS]

00:15:13   really weird that they would do that [TS]

00:15:15   with the one thing and not the other [TS]

00:15:18   all right now we have used our art [TS]

00:15:26   artists to move across time streams or [TS]

00:15:29   something like that we've gone for the [TS]

00:15:30   green anchor to the red waterfall so now [TS]

00:15:33   i want to ask the members of our red [TS]

00:15:35   waterfall cult contention damn and ran [TS]

00:15:38   who don't know what we think here in the [TS]

00:15:42   green anchor double-blind about about [TS]

00:15:45   the night terrors episode what they [TS]

00:15:47   thought of of night terrors before we [TS]

00:15:50   move on and we will tell them if their [TS]

00:15:52   opinion is correct [TS]

00:15:54   huh or we dad ran what did you think of [TS]

00:15:57   of night terrorist Marcus's episode you [TS]

00:16:00   know go ahead simultaneously be only one [TS]

00:16:05   another [TS]

00:16:06   no I i actually I decently liked the [TS]

00:16:09   episode and I thought it was just creepy [TS]

00:16:11   enough and it was kind of fun standalone [TS]

00:16:13   I my only question was i was unsure [TS]

00:16:16   about the how the alien kids fan it [TS]

00:16:21   because it was all in his mind right or [TS]

00:16:22   something along those lines where he was [TS]

00:16:24   he was turning these things into big [TS]

00:16:26   bads and I'm like well if he's if he's [TS]

00:16:29   turning you know if he's making all this [TS]

00:16:31   why can't he shut it off and what did [TS]

00:16:33   the dr really do that's the magic you [TS]

00:16:36   know was it really just the parents had [TS]

00:16:37   to say oh yes we love you we're not [TS]

00:16:39   going to leave you and then all of them [TS]

00:16:40   go away like i was very confused by that [TS]

00:16:42   but that that problem with it aside I [TS]

00:16:45   thought it was actually quite fun and [TS]

00:16:47   quite spooky i really liked it [TS]

00:16:51   yeah i guess i'm in the minority here I [TS]

00:16:54   thought that there were something [TS]

00:16:56   effectively atmospheric about a lot of [TS]

00:16:59   it i like to be the interior of the [TS]

00:17:01   house and I liked that it was a puzzle [TS]

00:17:03   that i didn't i didn't entirely figure [TS]

00:17:06   out really as it was going on I mean I [TS]

00:17:09   started to get clues i started to make [TS]

00:17:10   sort of assumptions based on what i [TS]

00:17:12   thought was going on and yet some of it [TS]

00:17:14   comes out as a bit of a you know a [TS]

00:17:16   backfill in terms of how is this alien [TS]

00:17:18   kid or whatever and and that was the [TS]

00:17:20   part of it i did not like as much but [TS]

00:17:22   the atmosphere part in the beginning [TS]

00:17:23   where you're trying to figure out what's [TS]

00:17:25   going on i love the doctors back and [TS]

00:17:27   forth about trying to decide whether or [TS]

00:17:28   not to open the cupboard where he's [TS]

00:17:31   kinda arguing [TS]

00:17:32   going forward over the governor what we [TS]

00:17:33   have to open the cover you know like I [TS]

00:17:35   thought the the report there between him [TS]

00:17:37   and the father was really was really [TS]

00:17:38   funny anomaly [TS]

00:17:40   were you surprised or shocked about the [TS]

00:17:43   fact that they were in a dollhouse [TS]

00:17:44   namely that not now that's not that I [TS]

00:17:47   you know I picked up on that one pretty [TS]

00:17:49   pretty quickly [TS]

00:17:50   ok but I was ok but I mean you know why [TS]

00:17:53   you know that was still up in the air [TS]

00:17:54   like I like the kid I thought he was he [TS]

00:17:57   was sufficiently cute kid was yeah [TS]

00:17:59   really creepy and sufficiently cute yeah [TS]

00:18:01   you know I i love the setting to I just [TS]

00:18:03   enjoy them walking around the town that [TS]

00:18:05   council walks at night trying to figure [TS]

00:18:06   out you know what the hell is going on i [TS]

00:18:09   don't know i mean it wasn't you no it [TS]

00:18:11   certainly was not the the best episode [TS]

00:18:13   of Doctor Who but I thought that stacked [TS]

00:18:15   up against a lot of the stuff again from [TS]

00:18:17   the first half of the season [TS]

00:18:18   pirates I thought to beat the pants off [TS]

00:18:21   pirates and you know a lot of the the [TS]

00:18:25   confusing back and forth with some of [TS]

00:18:26   the other episodes in there I thought it [TS]

00:18:27   was better than that my real really do [TS]

00:18:29   feel like the the second half of the [TS]

00:18:31   season has been superior to the first [TS]

00:18:33   but I can see why knowing the [TS]

00:18:36   probabilities of many of my fellow seems [TS]

00:18:38   panel members why they wouldn't like it [TS]

00:18:41   going to unsubscribe even Jason didn't [TS]

00:18:43   like it's like Jason's very critical [TS]

00:18:45   value it I i think the red I think the [TS]

00:18:47   Red waterfall got a totally different [TS]

00:18:49   episode the green acre it has to do with [TS]

00:18:51   different times if we were focusing more [TS]

00:18:53   on personality and atmosphere than [TS]

00:18:55   actual mid-wilshire lot since you guys [TS]

00:18:58   didn't hear what we said sophisticated [TS]

00:19:00   over on the green anchor side i think i [TS]

00:19:03   think there was some agreement that [TS]

00:19:04   there was some atmosphere the problem [TS]

00:19:07   was that that any analysis of what was [TS]

00:19:10   going on beyond the atmosphere led to [TS]

00:19:13   kind of a really what knows sometimes I [TS]

00:19:17   feel like you just shouldn't analyze [TS]

00:19:19   doctor who and just enjoy it as I was [TS]

00:19:21   like watching other is let's straighten [TS]

00:19:23   up this is what I was scary [TS]

00:19:25   no I was scary it was a little bit scary [TS]

00:19:28   here my seven-year-old son but I I [TS]

00:19:31   wasn't applying a lot of deep analysis [TS]

00:19:33   to it I was like really so the lady has [TS]

00:19:36   been eaten by trash bags and the kids an [TS]

00:19:40   alien but we never see him really do [TS]

00:19:43   anything alien butt [TS]

00:19:44   yeah he's an alien well that explains [TS]

00:19:46   that he's going to meld into society [TS]

00:19:49   right he's not school 30 alien like he [TS]

00:19:52   does seem like there's another variety [TS]

00:19:53   of other show like that remember feel [TS]

00:19:55   like there's a star trek episode or [TS]

00:19:56   something because i can get everybody [TS]

00:19:58   like who all there is all reality around [TS]

00:20:00   in there [TS]

00:20:01   yes isn't it yeah takes over Jonathan [TS]

00:20:02   trucks life because he's a father and he [TS]

00:20:05   stuck in some say I thought he was going [TS]

00:20:07   for Charlie and I was imagining angel [TS]

00:20:09   and the next generation know the next [TS]

00:20:12   generation to me where you know because [TS]

00:20:13   there is wakes up and thinks it's a [TS]

00:20:15   right experience got the kids like a [TS]

00:20:17   space for I don't know I just I i SAT [TS]

00:20:19   there thinking yeah they're dolls [TS]

00:20:21   they're not that creepy and they don't [TS]

00:20:24   they're not threatening because they [TS]

00:20:25   turn you into dolls but they turning me [TS]

00:20:28   into a doll and so you know that it's [TS]

00:20:30   amy dollars creates not permanent and [TS]

00:20:32   there's no so so it did it just didn't [TS]

00:20:35   work at all what level you doing playing [TS]

00:20:37   with dolls that's the others request wow [TS]

00:20:40   that's not but that leaves early edition [TS]

00:20:42   sure about the future [TS]

00:20:44   come on in the future because of the [TS]

00:20:46   council flat yeah nobody made that for [TS]

00:20:50   the future really do it if ya really [TS]

00:20:53   really early and garbage BBC red [TS]

00:20:56   waterfall has a better budget than BBC [TS]

00:20:58   greena just much all there is to it was [TS]

00:21:01   just enjoying a the delay water quality [TS]

00:21:04   at the moment he visited the five [TS]

00:21:06   minutes of the episode that it felt like [TS]

00:21:08   to us to a full 40 minutes yeah that's [TS]

00:21:11   why I just ran around and in the [TS]

00:21:13   dollhouse and the house and then we can [TS]

00:21:16   all travel together they would run away [TS]

00:21:17   again unlike unlike some of the earlier [TS]

00:21:20   episodes and our point fingers at [TS]

00:21:21   pirates again there's no point in this [TS]

00:21:23   episode I felt like bored LOL understand [TS]

00:21:25   Danny other ones me was like yeah let me [TS]

00:21:27   just check twitter while I'm watching [TS]

00:21:28   this whatever it was really young I felt [TS]

00:21:30   kind of wrap the Pirates was not as good [TS]

00:21:32   as that's a low point for media in this [TS]

00:21:35   is that Steven Moffat I think I enjoyed [TS]

00:21:37   pirates more [TS]

00:21:38   oh hang on oh gosh I don't think iris [TS]

00:21:41   was a better episode but i think i think [TS]

00:21:43   i enjoyed it more mostly because unlike [TS]

00:21:45   a look there a pirate ship Umi Skyward [TS]

00:21:47   Sword don't get me wrong I just you know [TS]

00:21:49   I just like both of strongly I'm just [TS]

00:21:51   saying out if I had to choose which one [TS]

00:21:53   you made me watch one of them again [TS]

00:21:54   which one would i choose also if one of [TS]

00:21:56   the episodes was outside of the targets [TS]

00:21:58   while you're inside you will find any i [TS]

00:22:00   would agree the Doctor Who pirates was [TS]

00:22:02   better than the walter matthau pirates i [TS]

00:22:04   will agree with that but not better than [TS]

00:22:06   Gilbert and Sullivan pirates what [TS]

00:22:08   happened not a 979 john templayer or [TS]

00:22:12   pilates pilates is better than that [TS]

00:22:13   pirates Iraqis karate skills along now [TS]

00:22:18   that's a great workout by the way it [TS]

00:22:20   really works your are okay and on that [TS]

00:22:23   note I'm going to press the red button [TS]

00:22:24   at the bottom because who wouldn't press [TS]

00:22:26   the red button and we're going to switch [TS]

00:22:27   back out of this timestream and had to [TS]

00:22:30   move over to be other let's move on to [TS]

00:22:40   the most recent episode of Doctor Who [TS]

00:22:44   which is the girl who waited is what you [TS]

00:22:49   think [TS]

00:22:50   can I get my premise complaining out of [TS]

00:22:53   the way first so you can talk about the [TS]

00:22:55   meat of the episode without it I usually [TS]

00:22:57   if I have lots of negative things to say [TS]

00:22:59   i like to save you for last to see if I [TS]

00:23:01   can guess the negative things are going [TS]

00:23:03   okay Fargo but i don't but i don't have [TS]

00:23:05   a lot of negative things about this [TS]

00:23:07   episode so I would like you to get it [TS]

00:23:08   all out now this is mostly just promise [TS]

00:23:10   whining so yeah and possibly can i [TS]

00:23:12   usually don't BB scholarly wisdom of [TS]

00:23:15   Glenn will educate me about what I was [TS]

00:23:17   missing this episode i didn't watch it i [TS]

00:23:19   did watch it twice [TS]

00:23:20   exactly so maybe really was as dumb as I [TS]

00:23:22   thought maybe i just missed something [TS]

00:23:23   entirely sorry on scholarly to be asking [TS]

00:23:26   for your first business [TS]

00:23:27   alright so there's a disease on this [TS]

00:23:29   planet right this trend seven thing i'd [TS]

00:23:31   only affects people with two hearts I [TS]

00:23:33   and if the doctor gets it he'll die any [TS]

00:23:35   can regenerate right because that [TS]

00:23:37   increases jeopardy that are well and [TS]

00:23:40   also because they this is the doctor [TS]

00:23:42   light episode many of them to stay on [TS]

00:23:43   the target set so they could shoot him [TS]

00:23:45   in a day and then have him go to the [TS]

00:23:46   right that's also that bothers me a [TS]

00:23:49   little bit of that I want to see that [TS]

00:23:50   behind the same things right so the two [TS]

00:23:52   rooms thing the the explanation they [TS]

00:23:54   eventually come to the two rooms is that [TS]

00:23:56   you've got the disease speed they got 24 [TS]

00:23:59   hours to live so what you do you take [TS]

00:24:00   the people with the disease you put them [TS]

00:24:02   into different [TS]

00:24:02   science time stream so that 24 hours for [TS]

00:24:06   the people where they came from is like [TS]

00:24:08   their lifetime and then you can see each [TS]

00:24:10   other through the hourglass thing so you [TS]

00:24:11   can say our poor daughter she had the [TS]

00:24:13   disease but you to the time screaming [TS]

00:24:14   now we can look at her and we can watch [TS]

00:24:16   her live her entire life and we'll have [TS]

00:24:17   a full and healthy life so you know our [TS]

00:24:20   daughter doesn't die in 24 hours instead [TS]

00:24:22   she has a full life now if you take [TS]

00:24:25   someone who has the disease is going to [TS]

00:24:26   kill them for hours and you put them in [TS]

00:24:28   a different time stream doesn't don't [TS]

00:24:29   they still die in 24 hours to the germs [TS]

00:24:31   stick to the rules of the old-time [TS]

00:24:33   string the drumset oh my god wall you [TS]

00:24:34   know we're weird germs from the old-time [TS]

00:24:36   scream I know you're in a new time [TS]

00:24:37   screen where you're going to live for a [TS]

00:24:38   lifetime but we're going to honor the [TS]

00:24:40   rules of the old-time makes no freaking [TS]

00:24:42   cent worth the only missing some [TS]

00:24:44   woodworking the opposite way that what [TS]

00:24:45   you do is you have that doesn't make any [TS]

00:24:48   sense no it wasn't i can't figure it out [TS]

00:24:50   I I there's a central conceit that was [TS]

00:24:53   missing because there was is the doctor [TS]

00:24:55   says oh she hadn't eaten for a week [TS]

00:24:57   because she wasn't hungry he said [TS]

00:24:58   overtime is compressed ready Caldwell [TS]

00:25:00   has joined us by the way she has come [TS]

00:25:01   back from the the the waterfall we were [TS]

00:25:04   you gonna say [TS]

00:25:05   ok so from what I could tell the red [TS]

00:25:08   waterfall multiple time streams are not [TS]

00:25:10   actually you know 99 years worth of time [TS]

00:25:13   stream it is 24 hours it's just the [TS]

00:25:16   perception of how time passes is [TS]

00:25:19   lengthened at least what I like where it [TS]

00:25:22   was just it's it's an outward effect [TS]

00:25:25   that makes the body i assume the disease [TS]

00:25:28   is something that makes the body age and [TS]

00:25:30   then it's just a 24-hour sort of [TS]

00:25:32   perception filter magnitude in there for [TS]

00:25:35   a week ago I know but I'm saying maybe [TS]

00:25:38   lose their 40 years and her Bob the ages [TS]

00:25:41   and get the wrinkly wouldn't the disease [TS]

00:25:43   progressing to kill them in 24 hours [TS]

00:25:45   yeah well I was my initial sort of [TS]

00:25:48   thought was oh the disease just makes [TS]

00:25:50   the manager rapidly but Amy doesn't have [TS]

00:25:52   the disease so I don't know I'm just [TS]

00:25:54   going with weird time perception filter [TS]

00:25:56   that also makes them age but it's not [TS]

00:25:59   actually time again I don't harp on the [TS]

00:26:01   purpose because they just want to set up [TS]

00:26:02   a situation that will let them have the [TS]

00:26:04   actual story right [TS]

00:26:05   yes it but they like I complain when [TS]

00:26:08   they don't do a good job explaining [TS]

00:26:08   their their setup and they just it was [TS]

00:26:11   just reinforces the final thing was [TS]

00:26:13   those dr. things that kill you like [TS]

00:26:15   worst dr. robot [TS]

00:26:16   whatever I mean it don't they adjust [TS]

00:26:18   dosages for infants and stuff they can [TS]

00:26:19   tell this is a different species all [TS]

00:26:21   well medicated maybe that's not be [TS]

00:26:23   involved there are many things wrong [TS]

00:26:25   with those robots national someone I i [TS]

00:26:28   assume that the that the planet is I [TS]

00:26:30   mean they say in the beginning of the [TS]

00:26:31   planets quarantine so in theory that [TS]

00:26:34   there wouldn't be any kind of alien life [TS]

00:26:36   landing on it so i imagine that those [TS]

00:26:38   robots were programmed basically as soon [TS]

00:26:39   as the thing was quarantined and you [TS]

00:26:41   know only only I know I'm [TS]

00:26:44   over-explaining something they didn't [TS]

00:26:45   explain properly and i'm estimating but [TS]

00:26:48   it's still available on the episode but [TS]

00:26:50   I still confused as to why anyone who is [TS]

00:26:52   designing a robot would say okay let's [TS]

00:26:55   give it some sensors but will only put [TS]

00:26:58   them in their hands [TS]

00:26:59   budget cuts it's not a doctor can have [TS]

00:27:02   something to explain they did a lot of [TS]

00:27:04   quick explanations of things that are [TS]

00:27:06   sick [TS]

00:27:06   that's just like I've got two sentences [TS]

00:27:08   to explain this major plot points we can [TS]

00:27:10   move on to the real story and there were [TS]

00:27:12   several of those including why this [TS]

00:27:13   thing has no faith why everything is all [TS]

00:27:16   white [TS]

00:27:16   why they have different time streams [TS]

00:27:18   what I mean they start since gonna get a [TS]

00:27:21   lot of money on this thing would be no [TS]

00:27:23   just a bucket of white paint and a [TS]

00:27:25   novelty magnifying glass from like the [TS]

00:27:27   song outside of ignited see the other [TS]

00:27:30   thing that got me though I really [TS]

00:27:31   actually really loved the emotional and [TS]

00:27:35   content structure episode but i think [TS]

00:27:37   that got me was a sort of um the issue [TS]

00:27:42   that all the people who are in [TS]

00:27:43   quarantine for living separate lives [TS]

00:27:46   I'm like we're all gonna die no the [TS]

00:27:47   plate once you put them together so they [TS]

00:27:50   can share this 40 years or whatever [TS]

00:27:51   they're going to get together instead of [TS]

00:27:53   giving them isolated lonely lives unless [TS]

00:27:55   i'm confused and they were all together [TS]

00:27:57   except me because she did but they're [TS]

00:27:59   talking about maintaining all of these [TS]

00:28:00   separate times change everyone [TS]

00:28:01   individually [TS]

00:28:02   yeah they were separate time streams and [TS]

00:28:05   I think the idea was you were supposed [TS]

00:28:06   to use like the you know the the [TS]

00:28:09   holodeck basically to entertain yourself [TS]

00:28:12   it that it reminded me of the TV show [TS]

00:28:16   off our escape in the seventh at me they [TS]

00:28:19   would have these bizarre things that [TS]

00:28:21   oftentimes in farscape you'd also see it [TS]

00:28:23   in the middle of the action and and they [TS]

00:28:25   would kind of mention that this was the [TS]

00:28:27   setup [TS]

00:28:28   and it was very clearly the message was [TS]

00:28:30   just it's weird and this is what you do [TS]

00:28:33   they have to do and we're not going to [TS]

00:28:35   explain why and I felt like there was [TS]

00:28:37   enough hand-waving hear that your brain [TS]

00:28:39   starts to try and grab onto it and be [TS]

00:28:40   like well why is this happening instead [TS]

00:28:43   of you know anything you have that [TS]

00:28:45   choice of trying to make sense of it are [TS]

00:28:46   saying alright well it's kind of cool [TS]

00:28:48   there's always white rooms and they're [TS]

00:28:49   two different time streams and it's [TS]

00:28:50   weird and then there's a story because I [TS]

00:28:53   i enjoyed the episode actually quite a [TS]

00:28:55   lot but I i completely agree and I [TS]

00:28:57   figured this is how it would go actually [TS]

00:28:59   that with all yet it didn't make any [TS]

00:29:01   sense the the setup didn't really just [TS]

00:29:05   it doesn't compute [TS]

00:29:06   I have this is the showrunner problem [TS]

00:29:08   because any of the four of us could have [TS]

00:29:09   come up with a very simple Doctor Who [TS]

00:29:11   consistent explanation that would have [TS]

00:29:13   been like I don't know like well Oh in [TS]

00:29:15   the you know the disease progresses [TS]

00:29:16   normally but there's a technique where [TS]

00:29:17   if you know the clerk temporal energy [TS]

00:29:19   flux allows them they have to be kept [TS]

00:29:22   separate and maintained through these [TS]

00:29:25   separate paradox engines that one the [TS]

00:29:27   Pirates i like about about doctor who is [TS]

00:29:30   its attempt a lot of times to either not [TS]

00:29:33   do technobabble or to simplify it to a [TS]

00:29:35   ridiculous extend like like even the [TS]

00:29:37   very first episode of the reboot [TS]

00:29:39   christopher eccleston says it's it's a [TS]

00:29:42   being of living plastic and i'm going to [TS]

00:29:44   kill it [TS]

00:29:44   Rose what are you gonna do that he holds [TS]

00:29:46   above a test tube and says auntie [TS]

00:29:48   plastic paper and that's it [TS]

00:29:50   Ryan necessary and that its brief [TS]

00:29:52   beautiful after all crushing [TS]

00:29:53   technobabble of some sci-fi TV shows I [TS]

00:29:56   so I like that about it that you know [TS]

00:29:58   they are more inclined to find some [TS]

00:29:59   super simplified way of saying well this [TS]

00:30:01   is how it is right really fast in a [TS]

00:30:03   English accent that I don't understand [TS]

00:30:05   and then we move on it could be because [TS]

00:30:07   we had over the river and stream if we [TS]

00:30:09   hold them in their own time stream the [TS]

00:30:11   time energy lets them live 40 years [TS]

00:30:13   well you know what no you're perfectly [TS]

00:30:15   honest I wouldn't be surprised if that [TS]

00:30:16   wasn't in the script originally and got [TS]

00:30:19   overtime because you know the whole [TS]

00:30:21   thing is that we know what they want to [TS]

00:30:22   do in this episode they want to have all [TS]

00:30:24   day me and you Amy there's no reason to [TS]

00:30:26   like overcomplicated with the full [TS]

00:30:27   Doctor Who's episode a jam it in so you [TS]

00:30:31   can fit in a good solid 40 minutes of [TS]

00:30:32   the story you want to tell give us a [TS]

00:30:34   simple premise that gives us all day [TS]

00:30:35   mean no I mean go with the show they [TS]

00:30:37   just spent a lot of wheels like it [TS]

00:30:39   wasn't that kind of episode is a [TS]

00:30:40   beautiful that is a beautiful episode i [TS]

00:30:42   think [TS]

00:30:42   that's right i think i think the more is [TS]

00:30:44   than trying to give us a framework but I [TS]

00:30:46   was I mean I was really I was touched by [TS]

00:30:48   this i was saying earlier watched it [TS]

00:30:50   twice today because I felt like I'd [TS]

00:30:52   missed like the emotional nuance not the [TS]

00:30:54   plot nuances in some episodes I was just [TS]

00:30:57   gonna say I'm gonna hand it to to Karen [TS]

00:30:59   Gilliam here because you know she's been [TS]

00:31:01   displaying summers are back and chops [TS]

00:31:04   throughout the the first couple series [TS]

00:31:05   which we've all given our group for but [TS]

00:31:07   the the nuances between old Amy and new [TS]

00:31:10   Amy are actually really quite striking [TS]

00:31:12   especially on second viewing just in [TS]

00:31:14   terms of the way that her voice patterns [TS]

00:31:17   work in the the way she says thanks it's [TS]

00:31:18   very it's actually really really [TS]

00:31:20   impressive [TS]

00:31:21   joining us now again from the red [TS]

00:31:23   waterfall is dave morin idea and thanks [TS]

00:31:25   for joining us [TS]

00:31:26   you promised you'd save me jason from [TS]

00:31:29   your separate timestream is this 50-year [TS]

00:31:31   old man or seven-year-old an abstract [TS]

00:31:33   it's 19 I get mad because I wrinkly hey [TS]

00:31:35   watch your hands to yourself models are [TS]

00:31:39   so I aside from the premise of the girl [TS]

00:31:41   who waited i mean i i've heard some [TS]

00:31:43   positive thoughts about III really i did [TS]

00:31:46   like it arm I kept wanting to love it [TS]

00:31:50   am i I'm not sure I got there I i like [TS]

00:31:53   most of it the premise again was just [TS]

00:31:54   sort of like all right I'm just gonna go [TS]

00:31:56   with it after a while and there was some [TS]

00:31:58   part of the resolution where the doctor [TS]

00:32:00   has Rory like plug things into slots and [TS]

00:32:03   it's two other kind of plugging of [TS]

00:32:05   things in order to resolve leverage with [TS]

00:32:07   the robot is another thing for the site [TS]

00:32:09   kind of episode yeah yeahs what it [TS]

00:32:11   seemed that kind of episode unnecessary [TS]

00:32:13   and and that led me down a little bit [TS]

00:32:15   but but the character stuff and that [TS]

00:32:17   that that core premise of you know Amy [TS]

00:32:21   what happens if if you end up realizing [TS]

00:32:24   that you missed a me by 40 years and [TS]

00:32:27   you've got the opportunity to erase all [TS]

00:32:31   that time but she's lived it [TS]

00:32:33   that was great and the whole interaction [TS]

00:32:35   your karen gillan to to Rennes point [TS]

00:32:38   I've got a really good performance from [TS]

00:32:40   her in in both parts actually to show [TS]

00:32:42   some depth Amy the moment where she gets [TS]

00:32:45   out her lipstick and she see her husband [TS]

00:32:47   she hasn't seen for 40 years and then [TS]

00:32:49   just kind of was like no no and puts it [TS]

00:32:51   away [TS]

00:32:51   this is just really great stuff at the [TS]

00:32:53   heart of this episode if you can [TS]

00:32:56   kind of get past the kind of weird is it [TS]

00:32:59   up [TS]

00:33:00   I mean but it's you know I think this is [TS]

00:33:02   the the sort of the central dilemma [TS]

00:33:04   we've talked about with Doctor Who a lot [TS]

00:33:05   especially with the Steven Moffat [TS]

00:33:07   seasons is is it you know science [TS]

00:33:09   fiction or is it something else more [TS]

00:33:11   like a fairytale you know where things [TS]

00:33:13   don't necessarily have to you know [TS]

00:33:15   entirely make sense even I mean I you [TS]

00:33:18   know you mentioned that plugging things [TS]

00:33:19   in apartments that's really bother me i [TS]

00:33:21   thought well how you gonna resolve that [TS]

00:33:22   ok something ridiculous like that of [TS]

00:33:23   course that's how you resolve this [TS]

00:33:24   you're not going to like nitty-gritty [TS]

00:33:25   technical science cds hit details [TS]

00:33:27   because no one cares mean that though [TS]

00:33:29   the core of the stories are saying about [TS]

00:33:31   the characters and and I you know along [TS]

00:33:33   those lines I think you know adding [TS]

00:33:35   saying nice things about Arthur Darvill [TS]

00:33:38   who I think Rory has this season really [TS]

00:33:40   come into his own and especially in the [TS]

00:33:41   last few episodes i think they've really [TS]

00:33:44   sort of finally got the handle on what [TS]

00:33:46   to do with him and he gets off the best [TS]

00:33:47   line in the episode which is to my mind [TS]

00:33:50   which is to sell the doctor you're [TS]

00:33:51   turning me into you right which i think [TS]

00:33:54   is the most damning thing to you know [TS]

00:33:55   hey this is another one of those [TS]

00:33:57   episodes where we get a look at the side [TS]

00:33:59   of the doctor that's not you know saving [TS]

00:34:02   everybody and helping everybody if [TS]

00:34:05   people coming around Rory are people [TS]

00:34:07   becoming Rory fans I really and I is [TS]

00:34:09   starting i think probably with [TS]

00:34:11   especially the beginning of the [TS]

00:34:14   two-parter the one word that that scene [TS]

00:34:16   he gets to come in and talk to all the [TS]

00:34:18   Cybermen kind of threatened them i think [TS]

00:34:19   starting there and and sort of moving [TS]

00:34:22   forward in the last couple episodes I [TS]

00:34:23   have become increasingly a fan of him [TS]

00:34:25   but i think you know I think he's [TS]

00:34:27   finally gotten a place beyond just OS he [TS]

00:34:29   sort of this boy you know you sort of [TS]

00:34:32   there just to provide a love triangle [TS]

00:34:33   because I think we've clearly gotten in [TS]

00:34:35   the whole you know this episode [TS]

00:34:37   especially we've gotten well past the [TS]

00:34:39   love triangle right thank ya [TS]

00:34:41   this is entirely about Rory and Amy's [TS]

00:34:44   relationship and Rory's the thing that [TS]

00:34:45   brings her around and I think that says [TS]

00:34:48   once and you know it certainly [TS]

00:34:50   conclusively that this is these to have [TS]

00:34:52   such a profound meaningful relationship [TS]

00:34:54   we got some really nice little flashback [TS]

00:34:55   stuff in there too right [TS]

00:34:57   like but i am still a little sick and [TS]

00:35:00   tired of being constantly reminded that [TS]

00:35:02   Rory and you know the enemy love each [TS]

00:35:05   other out [TS]

00:35:06   you get these universes ever know he's [TS]

00:35:08   got all your amazing balance the balance [TS]

00:35:11   from the beginning where Rory just [TS]

00:35:13   seemed annoying and your kind of like [TS]

00:35:15   wait why is it always you know Rory [TS]

00:35:17   still see the boys [TS]

00:35:18   yeah is this is more annoying moments [TS]

00:35:21   when you're right there [TS]

00:35:22   they're writing better giving him stuff [TS]

00:35:24   to do but his character still bothers me [TS]

00:35:27   a little bit [TS]

00:35:28   oh I don't but now he's more stand-up [TS]

00:35:30   and now he's you know he's the guy with [TS]

00:35:31   two thousand years he's the guy who you [TS]

00:35:34   know checked his wife down with the [TS]

00:35:35   doctors help across you know and that [TS]

00:35:38   reaches of space race become a bit of a [TS]

00:35:40   badass [TS]

00:35:41   he's also use there's a little bit of [TS]

00:35:42   annoying but I actually the annoying has [TS]

00:35:43   become kind of endearing because now you [TS]

00:35:46   kind of see how it's shaping his [TS]

00:35:47   character in like there's the part of [TS]

00:35:49   the right that's a little bit annoying [TS]

00:35:50   but the rest of him and the fact that he [TS]

00:35:52   is pretty much a stand-up good heart of [TS]

00:35:54   guy who just wants to you know do the [TS]

00:35:56   best and things like that's it's a [TS]

00:35:58   really interesting the way that they're [TS]

00:36:00   showing off more of that and I didn't [TS]

00:36:01   definitely in this episode as you're [TS]

00:36:04   mentioning damn that last line in fact [TS]

00:36:06   the whole relief the third act where he [TS]

00:36:08   just is kind of horrified by the doctors [TS]

00:36:10   actions and the doctor pretty much shows [TS]

00:36:12   no more something that's a great [TS]

00:36:13   character limit for oracle and he's he's [TS]

00:36:15   a total goofball and we've kind of all [TS]

00:36:17   known that since the beginning right but [TS]

00:36:19   at the same time he shows off a [TS]

00:36:21   something we're all accustomed to [TS]

00:36:24   thinking of the doctor has sort of you [TS]

00:36:25   know the heroic kind he's the guy who [TS]

00:36:28   swoops in and saves the day and whatever [TS]

00:36:29   but especially when we're setting him up [TS]

00:36:31   more and more with this sort of you know [TS]

00:36:33   that will it was really boys in with him [TS]

00:36:35   but he has this darker side [TS]

00:36:37   Rory represents I think more idealistic [TS]

00:36:39   view of that of what good is rather than [TS]

00:36:43   saying you know the doctors the one who [TS]

00:36:44   has to make the hard decisions and [TS]

00:36:46   sometimes those decisions are like sort [TS]

00:36:47   of you know ends justify the means but [TS]

00:36:50   worries there to provide sort of a [TS]

00:36:51   counterpoint to the you know you have to [TS]

00:36:54   do the right thing [TS]

00:36:55   angled and maybe that's just the benefit [TS]

00:36:57   of you know the doctors being 900 years [TS]

00:36:59   old versus you know Rory but i think it [TS]

00:37:01   provides an interesting dynamic these [TS]

00:37:03   are two guys who are both trying to do [TS]

00:37:05   the right thing but you know they have [TS]

00:37:07   markedly different approaches and so dr. [TS]

00:37:09   be another urself wery slip for 2,000 [TS]

00:37:11   years you mean [TS]

00:37:14   or has more words of rick moranis I [TS]

00:37:17   believe it good is dumb i was i thinking [TS]

00:37:21   that exact same quote by me and Scott on [TS]

00:37:24   the same way to like the night Karen O [TS]

00:37:26   only bad come of this [TS]

00:37:29   I'm frightened i started out in the [TS]

00:37:31   beginning complaining about premise [TS]

00:37:32   stuff which is silly and we already sort [TS]

00:37:34   of it [TS]

00:37:35   actual complaint not a complaint but [TS]

00:37:37   it's something I noticed about it you [TS]

00:37:39   meet this episode the good part right [TS]

00:37:41   that the young the old Amy and all that [TS]

00:37:43   business so I'm spring to lose my grip [TS]

00:37:46   on why these two are with the doctor [TS]

00:37:49   right because they talk about the things [TS]

00:37:51   like he said well I don't want to travel [TS]

00:37:53   with you anymore that's a choice you [TS]

00:37:54   have to make and you're turning me into [TS]

00:37:55   you and so on and so forth like that we [TS]

00:37:57   have the kind of happy-go-lucky travels [TS]

00:37:59   with the doctor episodes which are one [TS]

00:38:01   thing but when these horrible things [TS]

00:38:03   start happening i would expect the [TS]

00:38:05   happy-go-lucky travel to the doctor to [TS]

00:38:06   be kind of hi I'm insane like I would [TS]

00:38:08   expect living and traveling with the [TS]

00:38:10   doctor to be affecting these people more [TS]

00:38:12   profoundly and screwing them up because [TS]

00:38:14   otherwise why they have with them if [TS]

00:38:15   they're still well-adjusted in both love [TS]

00:38:17   each other go get a farmhouse somewhere [TS]

00:38:18   and live a happy life on whatever plans [TS]

00:38:20   you had the option to travel with it [TS]

00:38:22   also has a chain right so if you get the [TS]

00:38:24   feeling it's irresistible draw we have [TS]

00:38:26   to travel to the city manager dangerous [TS]

00:38:29   dangerous attractive the thing I find [TS]

00:38:30   interesting though about this is that [TS]

00:38:33   this was in Hawaii know when premise [TS]

00:38:37   this was supposed to be a happy-go-lucky [TS]

00:38:38   episode because the doctor preface it [TS]

00:38:40   with you know sparkling water falls and [TS]

00:38:43   things like he's basically saying I'm [TS]

00:38:45   gonna take you to a paradise planet [TS]

00:38:46   after all the other crap that we've been [TS]

00:38:48   through when it is rather than almost [TS]

00:38:50   every episode starts with ok now we're [TS]

00:38:52   going to go to a fantastic wonderful [TS]

00:38:55   place so that you can explore exactly [TS]

00:38:58   the Bliss of the innovation and maybe in [TS]

00:39:00   between the episodes they go to those [TS]

00:39:01   places obviously there's no conflict [TS]

00:39:03   right but it's not it's whatever i would [TS]

00:39:05   think these would be screwing them up [TS]

00:39:07   more and i would like to see that in [TS]

00:39:09   fact that we see kind of some of it like [TS]

00:39:10   saying you're turning me into you and [TS]

00:39:12   this is a horrible experience or [TS]

00:39:13   whatever like I i would like to see that [TS]

00:39:15   irresistible draw of seeing space that [TS]

00:39:17   manifest in them and say well I need two [TS]

00:39:19   sides of the same coin remember when [TS]

00:39:21   Rose was like well should i go back with [TS]

00:39:22   my family I mother there i got my [TS]

00:39:24   boyfriend or should I go travel with [TS]

00:39:26   this wonderful she had that conflict of [TS]

00:39:27   like [TS]

00:39:28   should I be a nice person on earth [TS]

00:39:29   should I traveled the space person you [TS]

00:39:31   could see the drugs seem to fall out in [TS]

00:39:33   other cases to Martha for example who [TS]

00:39:35   just decided to leave right because we [TS]

00:39:36   can't she can't add with it and so I [TS]

00:39:38   mean there's no saying that we won't see [TS]

00:39:39   that with with Amy around maybe they [TS]

00:39:41   have reached their breaking point yet [TS]

00:39:43   ok everything has been this looks like a [TS]

00:39:45   breaking point to me because it this [TS]

00:39:47   episode back but what I mean we also [TS]

00:39:50   have to remember they've already had [TS]

00:39:51   TARDIS baby I mean what-what can go more [TS]

00:39:53   wrong than that that's hardest baby [TS]

00:39:55   doesn't even get a mention in the last [TS]

00:39:57   one he had to kill his wife and this one [TS]

00:39:58   is one of his wives you know version of [TS]

00:40:00   his life matters and what is their first [TS]

00:40:04   baby come in earlier this episode and he [TS]

00:40:08   keeps time she keeps duplicating oh yeah [TS]

00:40:11   and I don't have the hardest baby no you [TS]

00:40:14   have to kill his alternate version of [TS]

00:40:16   his wife but he did it up due to a [TS]

00:40:18   betrayal of the doctor which is [TS]

00:40:20   something we haven't seen before so [TS]

00:40:21   direct so I'm going to explicitly lie to [TS]

00:40:23   you to make the resolution that I want [TS]

00:40:25   to happen even though they're not the [TS]

00:40:26   one that you want to happen you thought [TS]

00:40:27   you were talking about deliver the [TS]

00:40:28   doctor lies John yes this excellent the [TS]

00:40:32   first episode where he's lied in such a [TS]

00:40:34   way that you have to kill you have to [TS]

00:40:36   terminate beyond that and that was just [TS]

00:40:38   my little scene to rain just dive right [TS]

00:40:41   saw what was coming soon as you're [TS]

00:40:42   standing there the door and yet i still [TS]

00:40:44   find myself unable to believe that he [TS]

00:40:46   actually did it but Rory is Ricky not a [TS]

00:40:49   degree of making these decisions right [TS]

00:40:51   he cannot run you cannot make that kind [TS]

00:40:52   of decision clearly the doctors said [TS]

00:40:55   yeah he handles what way me but also not [TS]

00:40:59   anything he told him to do it yeah so he [TS]

00:41:01   didn't really make the decision he [TS]

00:41:02   always is [TS]

00:41:03   he's waiting for other people to tell [TS]

00:41:05   him what to do he's like it you know an [TS]

00:41:08   idiot in the time I don't know about [TS]

00:41:10   that but I think the hearing Scots and [TS]

00:41:14   overly arch yeah really great really [TS]

00:41:18   listens to all angles and he thinks [TS]

00:41:20   about it more than everybody else amy is [TS]

00:41:22   definitely the rash when he's the moral [TS]

00:41:24   know he's the moral compass you know a [TS]

00:41:26   lot of the Companions travelling in the [TS]

00:41:28   TARDIS as a nurse he should be able to [TS]

00:41:30   make instant life-and-death decisions [TS]

00:41:32   based on intuition that that's the one [TS]

00:41:33   thing like sometimes he acts like a [TS]

00:41:34   nurse and sometimes he doesn't i prefer [TS]

00:41:36   to hear [TS]

00:41:36   allowing nurse that's the something come [TS]

00:41:38   now let's not insult that okay yeah how [TS]

00:41:41   many times when you're a nurse you have [TS]

00:41:42   to decide whether they kill your new [TS]

00:41:43   wife or your old boy freely like you [TS]

00:41:45   don't come up every day every day it'll [TS]

00:41:47   be an integral and hospitals the [TS]

00:41:49   beautiful thing in this episode those I [TS]

00:41:51   thought if this is this is one of the [TS]

00:41:52   central sci-fi premises is the basis of [TS]

00:41:55   consciousness what is the person what is [TS]

00:41:56   the continuation of nature of [TS]

00:41:58   consciousness and if you erase someone's [TS]

00:42:00   memories for 40 years and you give them [TS]

00:42:02   a young body you give them a new body [TS]

00:42:03   move the brain / you duplicate them but [TS]

00:42:06   there's Wi-Fi is full of these ideas [TS]

00:42:08   about how you know where's the soul of [TS]

00:42:11   what is consciousness what is you know [TS]

00:42:13   we know all those things and I thought [TS]

00:42:15   this was a great examination of a of a [TS]

00:42:18   piece of it and it's that's the thing i [TS]

00:42:20   like is she was strong in the sense of [TS]

00:42:23   knowing that she was going to lose that [TS]

00:42:24   entire entire life would not just winds [TS]

00:42:26   die soon no longer exists which is sort [TS]

00:42:28   of the the horror of some of the whole [TS]

00:42:31   arc before to the whole the universe and [TS]

00:42:33   last season so here's my question she it [TS]

00:42:36   is not that she just stops existing she [TS]

00:42:38   never did exist so distraught over her [TS]

00:42:40   will they not remember that happened but [TS]

00:42:43   they're outside anything out of that [TS]

00:42:44   episode where we will remember they can [TS]

00:42:48   really just cutters today just cut her [TS]

00:42:49   off and while she didn't she got for her [TS]

00:42:52   timestream disappear like she chose to [TS]

00:42:54   die at the hands of the little stupid [TS]

00:42:56   medical robots instead of letting [TS]

00:42:58   herself be really know what I wanted to [TS]

00:43:00   raise that she's fading away that last [TS]

00:43:02   shot [TS]

00:43:03   yeah just just please get off here's the [TS]

00:43:05   thing that I want to see I want to see a [TS]

00:43:07   conclusion episode in which every [TS]

00:43:08   alternate evil duplicated killed self of [TS]

00:43:13   theirs that they've left behind shows up [TS]

00:43:16   like that are stories is it sounds like [TS]

00:43:18   a very bad idea [TS]

00:43:20   adorables army Hey look I mean look at [TS]

00:43:22   the upside Rory didn't even die in the [TS]

00:43:24   subs just barely know that's impressive [TS]

00:43:27   that I need to get he did get bopped on [TS]

00:43:29   the head by one of those one of those [TS]

00:43:31   white guys involved in fact yes the hand [TS]

00:43:35   bots I i do have to say I really feel [TS]

00:43:37   like the only reason the hand box on [TS]

00:43:39   this episode is so that we could have a [TS]

00:43:41   high five that kills them because stupid [TS]

00:43:44   well there's also be insulting you need [TS]

00:43:46   Wilson I'm sorry Rory in [TS]

00:43:48   her hideaway yeah she having sex with [TS]

00:43:50   that robot that's the question of where [TS]

00:43:51   did you get the batteries [TS]

00:43:53   I'm just saying that was quite you see [TS]

00:43:56   that robot you see hurry you think she [TS]

00:43:59   had looked yet mascara she could find if [TS]

00:44:00   she could find a katana I'm sure she [TS]

00:44:02   could find a magic marker [TS]

00:44:04   oh yeah that's true that's not with [TS]

00:44:06   chocolate different Hardware because the [TS]

00:44:12   Appalachians were whatever the name of [TS]

00:44:14   that place was yeah yeah Johnny's were [TS]

00:44:17   kappa said that's like the yeah yeah [TS]

00:44:20   yeahs Apple recounts a fancy helpfully [TS]

00:44:23   word this is another episode with really [TS]

00:44:27   poorly designed ineffectual robots I [TS]

00:44:29   don't understand what the point is they [TS]

00:44:30   you know they do high-fives and it [TS]

00:44:32   disables them you hit them with the Mona [TS]

00:44:33   Lisa and they blah okay well um had a [TS]

00:44:37   paper and release on paper but [TS]

00:44:40   apparently did well there wasn't much [TS]

00:44:42   accounts they couldn't afford the [TS]

00:44:43   actually sir what banana which museum [TS]

00:44:46   shop poster i work as a security guy [TS]

00:44:49   right so you would think that the there [TS]

00:44:51   Our Lives going to say oh you're an [TS]

00:44:53   unauthorized guess but yet you can [TS]

00:44:55   interact with the interface will tell [TS]

00:44:57   you everything about the place it [TS]

00:44:59   doesn't make any sense why me but yeah [TS]

00:45:00   she does get logged in which was a [TS]

00:45:02   little a little strange she gets welcome [TS]

00:45:04   to the facility at first [TS]

00:45:05   well I think it was more on yeah you [TS]

00:45:07   always mortgage and the invading of the [TS]

00:45:09   robots looks like I just like the anti [TS]

00:45:10   bodies from the yeah everybody's at the [TS]

00:45:13   hospital the antibodies were a lot [TS]

00:45:15   scarier but you know speaking of the [TS]

00:45:17   antibodies i was playing outside my wife [TS]

00:45:19   play portal one recently and I realized [TS]

00:45:22   they ripped off that line of like you [TS]

00:45:23   know you will feel tingling sensation [TS]

00:45:24   and death 101 hold almost works right [TS]

00:45:28   Yes No from like it when you're going to [TS]

00:45:30   like don't fall into the water you will [TS]

00:45:32   experience rather followed by death was [TS]

00:45:34   it was almost phrase exactly the same [TS]

00:45:36   way but if you're gonna rip something [TS]

00:45:37   off its place to do it [TS]

00:45:39   great minds think absolutely the I don't [TS]

00:45:41   know I thought the hand box looked a [TS]

00:45:43   little bit like the design of Marvin in [TS]

00:45:46   the ocean action of hitchhikers guide [TS]

00:45:48   and although I i did like how they look [TS]

00:45:51   and I liked the episode look I liked all [TS]

00:45:52   the weight room isn't and sort of [TS]

00:45:55   airport empty airport terminal feelings [TS]

00:45:58   and you know I liked how it looked like [TS]

00:46:00   how it was shot there are some [TS]

00:46:01   interesting direction and and [TS]

00:46:04   cinematography choices the back and [TS]

00:46:07   forth between old Amy and Rory on either [TS]

00:46:10   side of the target store where we sort [TS]

00:46:11   of dissolved back and forth while they [TS]

00:46:14   were talking was really good and there [TS]

00:46:15   was a there were a bunch of wipes as [TS]

00:46:17   transitions that was kind of stuff I [TS]

00:46:19   haven't really seen on Doctor Who before [TS]

00:46:21   so i really liked in addition to the [TS]

00:46:23   kind of emotional content at the core of [TS]

00:46:26   this episode i really liked how it [TS]

00:46:27   looked again it was it was the this [TS]

00:46:30   certain stuff didn't make sense to me [TS]

00:46:31   but there are lots of things about it [TS]

00:46:33   that I really liked what they came up [TS]

00:46:35   with you thought you knew it was going [TS]

00:46:37   to happen you figured the my assumption [TS]

00:46:39   was so old amy has to sacrifice yourself [TS]

00:46:41   for young Amy and I said what happens at [TS]

00:46:43   all I mean she does in the end [TS]

00:46:44   yes but she doesn't go willingly and she [TS]

00:46:46   says that means she says that the [TS]

00:46:48   beginning she weekends then she wants to [TS]

00:46:50   make a deal and then at the door when [TS]

00:46:52   she figures no other choice then she's [TS]

00:46:54   willing finally to make the sacrifice [TS]

00:46:55   but it is hard she is going screaming [TS]

00:46:58   into that good night old and I'm like [TS]

00:46:59   finally at last somebody who isn't just [TS]

00:47:02   you know the noble sacrifice like she'd [TS]

00:47:04   earned runs or live one of the things I [TS]

00:47:07   really like about this episode is the [TS]

00:47:10   huh [TS]

00:47:12   they catch it the doctor and recounted [TS]

00:47:14   at what we want to save Amy from the 36 [TS]

00:47:18   years of what you described as hell [TS]

00:47:20   being here we can save you as a younger [TS]

00:47:24   person from having to experience this [TS]

00:47:26   and they can say that all they like but [TS]

00:47:29   at the core of that and it's just clear [TS]

00:47:31   and every moment that they're together [TS]

00:47:33   that old Amy and Rory are together that [TS]

00:47:36   what he's really doing is saying well of [TS]

00:47:38   course i would prefer if you were my [TS]

00:47:40   young wife than my old wife [TS]

00:47:41   yeah which I would choose I would choose [TS]

00:47:43   the one who hasn't aged and I don't even [TS]

00:47:45   families many weekends [TS]

00:47:47   oh no that's that's their I mean that is [TS]

00:47:49   absolutely how can it not be there that [TS]

00:47:51   that they will be he doesn't know her [TS]

00:47:54   anymore really write like that yeah I [TS]

00:47:55   don't know what everybody changes like I [TS]

00:47:58   think it's the you know he he has a [TS]

00:47:59   really hard time relating to those woman [TS]

00:48:01   who's lived this 36 years he doesn't [TS]

00:48:03   even want her to touch him you know when [TS]

00:48:05   she first shows up right well get a [TS]

00:48:07   little 2,000 years and then showed up [TS]

00:48:10   for her so yeah this is always leaning [TS]

00:48:13   over [TS]

00:48:13   yeah i feel i feel like with with what I [TS]

00:48:17   mean even say it in the episode where [TS]

00:48:19   it's like well I wanted to grow old with [TS]

00:48:21   you and the idea of losing all of those [TS]

00:48:23   years I mean if you had you know the [TS]

00:48:26   person you love more than anything if [TS]

00:48:27   you had 20 years to spend with them [TS]

00:48:29   before they died or 50 years to spend [TS]

00:48:31   with them before they died you would [TS]

00:48:33   want to naturally choose the 50 years [TS]

00:48:35   and i love the fact that Lori still [TS]

00:48:37   absolutely love with her [TS]

00:48:39   I like the central premise of their love [TS]

00:48:41   too because he's a cocky weird guy and [TS]

00:48:43   you know and she's and she's a young [TS]

00:48:45   hottie smarty pants with no job on earth [TS]

00:48:47   you know she's right so she's not like [TS]

00:48:49   this great prize in some ways just good [TS]

00:48:51   looking at but she's really smart and [TS]

00:48:52   there's but they're both they're both [TS]

00:48:55   selfless they both do the right thing [TS]

00:48:56   when called upon and i love the fact [TS]

00:48:57   that that her descriptions like you know [TS]

00:49:00   the it's more how love actually works [TS]

00:49:03   I thought it was very honest way of [TS]

00:49:04   talking about love actually works how [TS]

00:49:06   two people fall in love and stay in love [TS]

00:49:08   rather than that you know the shallower [TS]

00:49:10   thing about you know is an [TS]

00:49:11   attractiveness and then that's the thing [TS]

00:49:13   that you stick with like no she's a [TS]

00:49:14   little deeper than that and so is he and [TS]

00:49:16   that's why she married this cocky guy [TS]

00:49:17   and that's not a cocky we not he's not [TS]

00:49:21   he's easygoing is now these TV cocky [TS]

00:49:25   like in real life would be like with my [TS]

00:49:26   answers but in the end there and puffy [TS]

00:49:29   yes that everyone but oh now he's cocky [TS]

00:49:31   yeah but it's still gonna keep on TV no [TS]

00:49:34   one to see that you know I got back to [TS]

00:49:35   maybe take on why [TS]

00:49:38   Rory's dilemma between the young and the [TS]

00:49:40   old my my feeling and all those scenes [TS]

00:49:42   was that Rory's overwhelming feeling [TS]

00:49:45   towards the old amy was that he couldn't [TS]

00:49:48   help but empathize with the things that [TS]

00:49:51   she's gone through and blame himself for [TS]

00:49:52   that so she was always thought he was [TS]

00:49:54   linked with taking the whole day because [TS]

00:49:55   like oh my God look what I did look what [TS]

00:49:57   she's been through and she still is the [TS]

00:49:58   person that I love even though she's [TS]

00:50:00   older so I didn't think ull I didn't [TS]

00:50:02   think it was even entering his mind [TS]

00:50:03   about in fact I think he was starting to [TS]

00:50:05   toss the young Arrius this is the person [TS]

00:50:07   I love and I've made her suffer so [TS]

00:50:09   terribly it's kind of like you feel like [TS]

00:50:10   you have to make amends for that our [TS]

00:50:13   like comfort the person or make up for [TS]

00:50:15   your career you know your failure [TS]

00:50:17   previously so I thought he was gonna go [TS]

00:50:18   with the old I mean I knew that would [TS]

00:50:20   really happen is kind of rooting for in [TS]

00:50:21   the back of my mind I would go with the [TS]

00:50:23   olden right because because she deserves [TS]

00:50:25   it she's suffered and she suffered to [TS]

00:50:26   get and [TS]

00:50:27   your fault you feel bad about cutting it [TS]

00:50:29   all off his kind of cheating isn't it I [TS]

00:50:31   mean yeah that while the rules of time [TS]

00:50:33   travel that are supposed to be the rules [TS]

00:50:35   right a doctor the doctor that's good [TS]

00:50:36   responses she's not real and I'm like oh [TS]

00:50:38   come on that's nothing the doctor [TS]

00:50:39   actually felt the doctors actions were [TS]

00:50:41   rather non-genuine at the end he pushes [TS]

00:50:44   I'm sorry a Glock closes the door locks [TS]

00:50:46   that any you know he says she's not real [TS]

00:50:49   it's like once using the target once [TS]

00:50:51   he's done that he sort of pretending to [TS]

00:50:52   sever the timestream perhaps but if the [TS]

00:50:55   doctor was out of character he's not [TS]

00:50:56   times i don't know i think i think [TS]

00:50:58   that's an extreme decision [TS]

00:51:00   keep in mind he's already made her wait [TS]

00:51:01   before right when she was a little girl [TS]

00:51:04   I think I think the doctor in carriers [TS]

00:51:06   from is willing to do that to her again [TS]

00:51:10   and he will even if you have to cut off [TS]

00:51:12   her too much true to do and i think i [TS]

00:51:14   can even make an argument for [TS]

00:51:16   self-delusion herself convincing at that [TS]

00:51:18   point right [TS]

00:51:19   he needs to tell himself that she's not [TS]

00:51:20   real in order or else he's gonna have a [TS]

00:51:22   real hard time thinking about you know [TS]

00:51:24   what he's actually done a doctor can't [TS]

00:51:26   come to come to guilt or bad terrible [TS]

00:51:28   terrible things happen and practically [TS]

00:51:30   speaking I want to see an old Amy for [TS]

00:51:31   the remainder of the season gets back [TS]

00:51:32   we're going elsewhere old make up the [TS]

00:51:35   rest with the hottest fifty-year-old [TS]

00:51:37   that you've ever seen yeah I lack an act [TS]

00:51:39   but the rest of her was like those good [TS]

00:51:41   old age makeup that I find my nose it [TS]

00:51:43   was flat line i gotta say i love secret [TS]

00:51:46   part of me was rooting for both of them [TS]

00:51:48   to make it on the TARDIS because of that [TS]

00:51:50   one section where she's like just pop by [TS]

00:51:53   Christmas and Easter and I'm like man [TS]

00:51:55   that would be a hilarious [TS]

00:51:57   yeah subplot to have on doctor who is [TS]

00:51:59   just old old Karen gallery hopping [TS]

00:52:01   around the galaxy on her own [TS]

00:52:03   well you know this reminds me a little [TS]

00:52:04   bit of Elizabeth train sladen a bit like [TS]

00:52:07   when when David tenantry meets her and [TS]

00:52:10   she's aged you know Sarah Jane is aged [TS]

00:52:13   in the episode of this schoolhouse there [TS]

00:52:16   and got lost [TS]

00:52:18   hey yeah and it's into these younger [TS]

00:52:20   right he's even gotten younger the last [TS]

00:52:22   time last incarnation is probably and [TS]

00:52:24   it's that same thing it's like the [TS]

00:52:25   doctor keeps moving on coming on and [TS]

00:52:27   he's met doctors met his match and [TS]

00:52:28   marine Amy because they have messed up x [TS]

00:52:31   James she's the one who rebuilds [TS]

00:52:33   universe because she remembers he waits [TS]

00:52:35   work with 2,000 years that's a different [TS]

00:52:37   time stream [TS]

00:52:38   she waits 40 years [TS]

00:52:40   and is able to but I collapse of the [TS]

00:52:41   time strange so he's actually i would [TS]

00:52:44   argue that they have they have some a [TS]

00:52:46   few different things up on him [TS]

00:52:48   it always come back for the debt 800 [TS]

00:52:49   dodge I'm sorry only 15 whatever we [TS]

00:52:52   haven't we haven't seen the other side [TS]

00:52:54   off-screen yeah exactly that's ok you [TS]

00:52:56   have killed again they can all of those [TS]

00:52:58   honeymoon vacations that are off-screen [TS]

00:53:00   as well so let me ask let me ask this [TS]

00:53:02   because we've spent a lot of time on [TS]

00:53:04   this episode did people all in all an [TS]

00:53:08   imbalance did you did you enjoy it did [TS]

00:53:10   you like it [TS]

00:53:11   I did I i quite enjoyed it and besides [TS]

00:53:14   like little little things here and there [TS]

00:53:16   I still think it was a really [TS]

00:53:17   interesting look at withhold Amy and you [TS]

00:53:21   Amy and you know what [TS]

00:53:23   as was it Scott are you saying that or [TS]

00:53:25   was John were you saying about how how [TS]

00:53:28   it's sort of pushing them to their [TS]

00:53:29   breaking point about being with the [TS]

00:53:30   doctor because I think that's definitely [TS]

00:53:32   true in a way and you really do notice [TS]

00:53:34   it may be said that of you gentlemen [TS]

00:53:36   oh definitely well yeah because they're [TS]

00:53:38   they're not going to stay with the [TS]

00:53:39   doctor for I've ever do I mean but we [TS]

00:53:41   didn't they keep coming to get him back [TS]

00:53:43   right there's been two instances so far [TS]

00:53:45   we're trying to signal memories from the [TS]

00:53:46   signal them [TS]

00:53:47   yeah they will have never existed very [TS]

00:53:50   well just cut off a time stream right [TS]

00:53:52   Scott did you like this episode I [TS]

00:53:54   overall I did I really doctor who drives [TS]

00:53:57   me crazy with the improbable I mean the [TS]

00:53:59   very you know premises improbable but [TS]

00:54:01   that you expect you accept certain [TS]

00:54:04   things and then they just pushed a [TS]

00:54:05   little too far but it was saved by all [TS]

00:54:08   the emotional stuff I think emotional [TS]

00:54:11   crap [TS]

00:54:11   yeah they don't really care about TF [TS]

00:54:13   girls like I I knew you were working [TS]

00:54:16   with their stats here there's got I get [TS]

00:54:18   I can tell United fast / removing I [TS]

00:54:21   thought the whole the premise of it was [TS]

00:54:22   very moving but they didn't need the [TS]

00:54:24   stupid technology on top of it right [TS]

00:54:27   John I think yeah so there were lots of [TS]

00:54:33   horrible things in it but the the two [TS]

00:54:36   amys the two amys part of it like the [TS]

00:54:38   hardest of the episode I like episodes [TS]

00:54:40   of Doctor Who where somebody does [TS]

00:54:42   something horrible something horrible [TS]

00:54:44   happens to someone else like I like them [TS]

00:54:45   so that the doctor the doctor closing [TS]

00:54:47   that door or its previous doctor who but [TS]

00:54:51   yeah i wanna see I wanna really [TS]

00:54:53   also those the two amys their make that [TS]

00:54:55   episode for me I really did like her [TS]

00:54:57   performance as the old Amy I thought it [TS]

00:54:58   was convincing and good and not clich├ęd [TS]

00:55:01   like if there was no sort of [TS]

00:55:03   conciliatory oh it's okay we're still [TS]

00:55:05   buddies like she was she was cold to him [TS]

00:55:07   she was weird just messed up from being [TS]

00:55:09   alone for a long time hated the doctor [TS]

00:55:11   right and she didn't watch you didn't [TS]

00:55:13   set is someone pointed out because you [TS]

00:55:14   didn't sacrifice yourself for autistic [TS]

00:55:15   no I want to live let me in the front [TS]

00:55:17   artists on the hell you know it was all [TS]

00:55:20   that was good and it redeemed the [TS]

00:55:21   episode and put it over the fifty [TS]

00:55:22   percent mark alright damn 51-percent I i [TS]

00:55:28   really like this and in fact i think the [TS]

00:55:30   entire this season which I thought [TS]

00:55:32   started really weak as really [TS]

00:55:34   transformed into a much stronger you [TS]

00:55:37   know storyline after with that two-part [TS]

00:55:40   starting with the two-parter with the [TS]

00:55:42   the the baby and prevent revelations of [TS]

00:55:44   our trunk and I thought that this week's [TS]

00:55:46   episode and last week's episode were [TS]

00:55:47   really I i enjoyed by both and i think [TS]

00:55:50   i'm looking forward much more to the end [TS]

00:55:51   of this season now and I I mean the [TS]

00:55:53   improbability stuff doesn't bother me as [TS]

00:55:55   much i'm terrible with potholes as [TS]

00:55:57   anyone who's ever read anything I've [TS]

00:55:58   written can attest I I just don't I you [TS]

00:56:02   know I don't think about them as much I [TS]

00:56:03   don't find myself worrying about them [TS]

00:56:04   and so I am more invested in the [TS]

00:56:06   character aspect of it and I thought [TS]

00:56:08   this really delivered on fat and it was [TS]

00:56:10   nice to see an episode that was even if [TS]

00:56:13   it had sort of a weird premise for you [TS]

00:56:15   know setting up this story it was all [TS]

00:56:17   about the characters not about let's [TS]

00:56:19   meet some random aliens in like you know [TS]

00:56:20   hang out also has missed that part of [TS]

00:56:23   the episode but when we were discussing [TS]

00:56:25   we're trying to say it's not so much [TS]

00:56:26   that we have the problems with the the [TS]

00:56:28   plot that being full of holes in stuff [TS]

00:56:30   like that today is that they wasted so [TS]

00:56:32   much time on that stuff when this wasn't [TS]

00:56:35   that kind of an episode like it they [TS]

00:56:36   squandered the opportunity like it's not [TS]

00:56:38   that they always it's always nonsensical [TS]

00:56:40   and doesn't fit together whatever but [TS]

00:56:42   don't dwell on it and don't make more [TS]

00:56:43   complicated than you have to and don't [TS]

00:56:45   waste time when you have this good this [TS]

00:56:46   duel anything that's good you that [TS]

00:56:48   should have been any more of the episode [TS]

00:56:50   right calamitous that no more [TS]

00:56:52   I I like I've had them genuine emotional [TS]

00:56:56   content trademark it was a certified i [TS]

00:57:00   know i found myself engaged and weeping [TS]

00:57:03   at the end openly weeping I will say it [TS]

00:57:06   and I thought it had a was a it was a [TS]

00:57:09   genuine miss about the most about the [TS]

00:57:12   relationships that you don't always get [TS]

00:57:14   in any television and I think that's [TS]

00:57:16   something that's always fascinated [TS]

00:57:17   doctor who is the plots can be [TS]

00:57:19   ridiculous but they sometimes captures [TS]

00:57:21   perfect bit of selflessness or love or [TS]

00:57:24   weirdness that that other shows don't [TS]

00:57:27   that's why i watch it all right well we [TS]

00:57:31   are going to step away for another maybe [TS]

00:57:36   a couple of weeks for their I guess [TS]

00:57:37   there are three more episodes of Doctor [TS]

00:57:39   Who this up the season so more flash [TS]

00:57:42   podcast to come until then I want to [TS]

00:57:44   thank my many guests there seem to be [TS]

00:57:46   more of them now than when we started [TS]

00:57:47   it's very strange here so thanks to make [TS]

00:57:50   this private thanks to Dan more'n thanks [TS]

00:57:53   to surrender the cold well thanks to [TS]

00:57:55   John siracusa and no thanks discovered [TS]

00:57:58   weight and Peggy's got the guilty to [TS]

00:58:00   until next time for the uncomfortable [TS]

00:58:03   podcasts and jason still [TS]

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