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00:00:12 ◼   ► welcome back to the interoperable we [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► have been for this whole season of the [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► BBC's Doctor Who we've been taking time [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► every few weeks to talk about the latest [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► episodes and now we have reached the end [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► the last episodes of this sixth season [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► of the relaunch doctor who have come and [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► gone and so we're going to talk about [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► the last few episodes which we haven't [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► had a chance to chat about yet and also [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► the season as a whole [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► joining me to discuss this well I should [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► say I'm Jason smell the host of the [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► uncomfortable joining me to discuss that [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► this my lovely and talented panelists [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► and Fleischmann hi glen IL a panelist [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► thank you and lovely and or talented [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► John siracusa hi John [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► hello Jason in more'n hello Dan [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► digestion commute to me with all these [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► black tick marks on my arms mean I'll [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► explain later and Scott McNulty welcome [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► to the podcast yet again [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► hello hello also joining me tonight is [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► hello hello Jason glad to be here it's [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► good to have you [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► so the season the season is over I know [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► we haven't talked about the last what [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► three episodes though we've got a we've [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► got some of that to talk about the [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► finale aired this past week I guess we [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► have where to where to start I i think i [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► want to start with the finale maybe we [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► can backtrack a little bit back into [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► interesting weekend guess began do this [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► in a non linear sequence of time because [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► times like that I interesting that this [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► was a single episode not a two-part [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► blowout season finale like I've had in [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► the past their wedding of River Song as [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► it was called and i watched it a couple [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► of times there's the first time I [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► watched I I I like parts of it but I was [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► also caught up and sort of what the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► resolution of the plot was going to be [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► and i watch the second time and actually [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► liked it a great deal more [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► more than I did the first time which is [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► kind of interesting but I didn't think [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► it was kind of a strange episode and I'm [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► just sort of curious to start out what [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► did you guys think of the other finale [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► well I was happy to see the return of my [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► favorite character of course i know it's [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► ridiculous but I like seeing durham i [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► just love that actor and I love the role [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► and it's so ridiculous dorium maldovar [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► anybody get the new jobby the genie from [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► people around show been going there [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► oh look at hi mekka hiney ho yes [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► yeah i was baltimore and he was [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► hilarious even when he was just a head [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► in a box reactor ama to when so it [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► really all right it's true but it was a [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► good thing it will its signal that the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► thing that signaled i think was that [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► this wasn't going to be a Daleks kill [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► everybody despite how the episode open [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► this was going to be a Daleks kill [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► everybody Cyberman creepy everyone dies [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► the doctor loses a companion horrible [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► sort of thing even though it's about the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► doctors def it's opens with pretty much [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► I mean shortly and you can pay a crazy [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► game of electric bill electrocution [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► chess and then which was my great [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► benefits great guy out of a Dungeons and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► Dragons ad from 1973 and and then you [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► get a blue head in a box that speaks a [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► marvelous Sydney Greenstreet toad and so [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► you know this is me more of a lark then [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► something that makes you freaked out and [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► so I mean you know you can't contrast [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► that with the episodes in which which I [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► think all involve Daleks or something [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► like in which stated tenants [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► regeneration happened the season finales [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► in different seasons the ones where our [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► favorite where Donna Noble gets sort of [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► her memory wiped and it's like this is a [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► different kind of thing I would say well [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► it's interesting that Steven Moffat i [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► think is deliberate you know he's very [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► carefully established his own continuity [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► and his own story lines going out and i [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► think in a way that you know Russell T [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► Davies with the first few seasons he [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► very much tried to bring back or build [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► on all the pre-existing mythology so [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► hence we having you know these climax is [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► that involve Daleks and Cyberman and [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► stuff that you know where were [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► long-running pieces of the Doctor Who [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► mythology and now we have this [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► interesting you know continuity that [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► that Steven Moffat has created [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► and I was thinking that the the [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► beginning at least of this finale [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► reminded me a lot of the episode 2 which [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► is kind of a spiritual successor which [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► is a good man goes to war the [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► half-season cliffhanger has the same [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► sort of pacing in that beginning right [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► where he's going to all these different [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► places and sort of recruiting you know [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► different people and different seeing [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► different parts of his life and talking [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► about different people he's known and [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► there are a few references thrown in of [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► course to the prior continuity as well [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► but they're not the centerpiece right [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► there's the sort of garnishing on this [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► story that we've been following this [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► entire season which is you know the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► doctors death and so I think that it's [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► very it was it was a nice one it was a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► nice conclusion or is a nice piece of [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► this our kinetic it pays homage to all [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► the stuff that came before it without [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► while not making that the like raison [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► d'etre for this episode let's let's [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► reread resurrect yet another classic [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► Doctor Who enemy i say that Scott what [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► about you [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► well I thought that you know everyone [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► you're watching this episode and you [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► know the doctor is not going to die at [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► the end so that kind of takes the whole [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► dramatic force from the episode does a [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► letter is it is it is it will you want [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► to see how he does it the right like [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► that's the thing with the doctor right [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► make it so obvious within like the first [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► 10 minutes of how he's going to do it [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► they might as well have just winked and [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► when he said when the guy said if [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► there's anything else we could do for [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► you are you doing good for you because I [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► didn't buy it and I had I was still on [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► my theory of the flesh from you know [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► earlier this month and watch dr. are [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► being distracted by here earlier [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► theories because that was really [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► telegraphed you think so i don't i don't [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► think so i wouldn't happen I turned to [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► my wife and I said well there goes the [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► flesh theory [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► well no that was my problem still in the [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► context of the episode is I think this [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► is a felony or but the doctor has [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► regeneration energy they showed it [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► clearly so how did the robot ever [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► created it [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► I mean I thought about a regenerate I [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► thought about god I mean I guess so [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► special effects people on Doctor Who and [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► the year 2011 can fake it so what would [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► enter the what content you like to be [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► able to get all those ago [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► what can a robot yes to go ahead Scott [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► sorry i just wanted to you know I I [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► didn't I I didn't see that one coming i [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► guess because I was so far into so many [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► other different theories that I think it [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► was right in front of me I just had [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► never considered that was going to be [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► about the way out anyway go ahead [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► well I had no theory so you know I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► wonder how he's gonna do it and then I [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► that wonder went away almost immediately [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► and I was like well okay that was my [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► disappointed acknowledgement of how it [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► was going to do it but I mean it was a [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► fun episode but I don't know it just [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► kind of the whole i think the the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► dramatic it lacked gravitas i guess or [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► something for me I I just didn't see the [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► point of it because i already knew how [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► he was he was not going to die so [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► there's no point in I didn't know part [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► of the episode was because it just [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► seemed to make the whole arc bring a [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► little hollow for me [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► alright John how about you think you [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► guys know my usual complain about dr. [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► with that they they can't agree on the [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► rules of the universe and they like to [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► play fast and loose with everything went [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► just fine whatever is what they want to [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► do i but they made this finale hinge on [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► these poorly defined universe rules [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► because like the whole season maybe [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► after always going to die it's a fixed [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► point it's a fixed point supposed to [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► mean anything you could you put [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► substitute to other words for fixed [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► point it would be equally meaningful to [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the degree that they explained it so [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► they're very adamant that like all you [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► can't you know this is for some reason [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► the script [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► this is a fixed point and we can't [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► change this once you're gonna die even [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► though you have a time machine your [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► all-powerful blood is accepted and of [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► course this episode the turn in this [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► episode is guess what it's not really a [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► fixed point because river song and [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► freeze time and then time will be [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► destroyed in blood but look I don't know [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► I just do that doesn't bother me because [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the whole life I think the whole idea [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► there is that fixed point means you [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► can't change it and the answer is well [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► what happens if you try and the answer [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► is bad things happen it doesn't work [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► they change it he doesn't die will know [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► they don't change it don't change he's [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► there he does all the things that [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► happened were supposed to happen no [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► one's checking his pulse [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► I considered it a cheat but if that's [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► what always where I don't know that's [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► what always happens though I mean are [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► you arguing that there's a time thing [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► I don't think it's the central point of [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► the phone anyways right in the central [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► point the episode about that like the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► choices in the characters and though the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► what their decisions are making no but I [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► then don't hang your episode I don't [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► care that you have poorly defined [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► universe rules if you don't try to hang [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► your plot points off of those poorly [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► defined rules like you're gonna probably [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► define use let them not get in the way [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► of your plot but don't make them the [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► cornerstone of your plot I mean [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► presumably there will be another season [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► of the show with matt smith and [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► presumably the rest of the universe [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► realize hot that dr. that we thought we [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► killed like he's alive time you know [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► time this is already all happened it's [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► not like we're not sequential and but [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► here we are with the records of the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► University the doctor died but clearly [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► didn't die some robot thing that he was [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► inside got blown up but he's fine [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► no no but that that implies a certain [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► superposition knowledge that which is [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► that it's never I think the mythology [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► the show there's an issue about how much [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► she's perceiving time sequentially [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► although he supposedly has something [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► extra special knowledge of its own [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► timeline sequential as is and is [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► necessary access is often sequential [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► across how he hops and for other people [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► to know that he's dead like he's not [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► dead in the university's not removed [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► from the universe as with the previous [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► season thing it's not like he's been [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► erased it's more like at some point the [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► doctor dies here's the date of his death [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► but they don't exactly the ones keeping [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► track of precisely what point the [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► timeline is I think that's consistent [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► because we got the doctor of course is [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► dying across all in time and space all [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the time in various incarnations and no [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► one makes a big deal about the Tom Baker [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► i have many more complaints about this [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► episode we do have a list of grievances [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► you would like to know i do so that [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► complaint i'm gonna i'm going to reject [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► that complaint because i think i think i [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► really get any incorrect sir you know [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► you're saying well but he didn't die and [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that the whole point of the fixed point [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► in time is is you can't change it and so [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► how what would happen if you tried me [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► answer is you would destroy everything [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► in the fabric of the universe and start [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► to come apart and that's what he tells [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► rivers you gotta do this you know you [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► cannot do this this is a fixed point [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► that its a cheat in the sense that the [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► obvious one which is of course he's not [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► gonna die [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► there's going to be some way where he [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► gets out of it but she still shoots him [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► they still put his body on the thing and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► put the gasoline on and so on fire and [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► cast adrift in the lake [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the only difference is now we know that [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► it's the test selector and he [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► no and he's inside and it doesn't even [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► affect the thing so there's a cheap [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► there but it's not easy to the to the [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► rules of the universe i think i think [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that yeah i think its faithful so that I [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► think they would not have records been [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► dying here is that I could have made it [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► not a cheap don't show that don't show [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that someone in the universe thinks that [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► this is the time that the doctor died [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► not these events happened but this is [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► the time the doctor that they never [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► showed that I don't think there was a [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► reason to show that because we have the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► audience believe he died he gets lit on [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► fire everyone could talk about him dying [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► don't have the all-knowing we are the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► police of time and we go inside this [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► little robots people don't have them [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► have a record in their official files of [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► him dying because it but there's no [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► point in that and it undercuts there I [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► mean what if they were complicit [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► what if they agreed to keep you [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► obviously they were right they agreed to [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► keep it secret and create that this is [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► this is why not a doctor faking faking [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► his death essentially because everybody [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► wants him dead so that he and and go [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► back in the shadows like he says and I i [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► don't think i also don't agree that this [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► is something that next year you're gonna [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► see that this continuing sort of the way [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► that it's always been I think this is [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► going to be a part of the recurring [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► storyline is that he's trying to keep a [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► low profile and not be famous and I [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► think this is also Steven Moffat rain [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► undo some of the russell davies stuff of [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► he's the oncoming storm everybody knows [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► him he can just say stop and everybody [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► stops because they're afraid of him [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► I think I think this is actually also a [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► way for them to try to get back to [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► stories where he's not famous basic [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► laying around and they also they reset [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► the clock he's now 200 years older and [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► they're playing a molder matt smith i [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► mean i don't think that's a subtle thing [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► in the episode previous episode with our [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► friend Craig which I'm blanking on the [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► name of ready the closing time closing [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► time a closing time he comes in and he [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► is clearly world where he's older he's [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► doing his valedictory thing he's not the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► david tennant doctor who spent a hundred [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► years running around 40 with Queen [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► Elizabeth and being hedonistic after the [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► water of mars bars [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► this is a different doctor is more [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► serious and he's 20 years older and I [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► mean I think that is part of resetting [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the universe is that you have a doctors [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► now like I've done that I'm sick of that [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► almost destroyed the universe again and [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► so there's a point at which the you know [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► if they've also given us they seated the [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► next plot point which are the fields of [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► trenzalore [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► and at some point that's going to you [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► know come up i don't think that's a the [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► outside of the mythology and when we get [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► to that it will be you know another [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► season resolution and in that [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► intervening time the doctors gonna be [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► trying to keep his mouth shut and we'll [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► see what happens now is my other problem [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► with this episode story and the the [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► question the oldest question known in [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► the universe is Doctor Who yeah sorry [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► 900 years old you know it was dr. what [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► happened is time machine is been back to [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► the beginning you know remember when [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► they went back and riverside message [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► hello sweetie as silly as that is i also [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► don't mind it because it is it for me it [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► works on a on the metal level of in the [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► fact that it ends with him kind of [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► walking through the dark passageway with [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► Dorian's uh head shopping Doctor Who [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► Doctor Who and he smiles of natural I [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► mean that's that you know that because [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► it is the whole suggestion that his name [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► and who he really is is relevant in some [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► way and that that that is it was said [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► actually in a line that i missed the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► first time I watched the episode that [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► that the whole idea here is that that is [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► something that once it said you know [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► these things happen and that's what the [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► silence is trying to stop by killing him [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► and the funny thing now is that you know [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► the silence thinks they've succeeded but [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► they obviously have it now before we go [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► back to John's list of grievances I want [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► to ask serenity Caldwell what she [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► thought of the season finale [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► you know I actually I i liked it i was [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► very entertained [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► uh I'm frustrated that we have to wait a [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► while to find out what comes next but I [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► thought it was you know in comparison to [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► the last sort of half part season finale [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► good man goes to war [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► I actually think i prefer this one [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► whereas good man goes to war was very [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► hectic and very very much i felt like oh [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► god everything's happening at once and [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► wait wait new characters and and and [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► people and everything that happens at [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► once in this episode that all his [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► already happened I want but it's calmer [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► literally as opposed to figuratively [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► yes exactly everything literally happens [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► at once in this episode and yet it was [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► easier to swallow because you knew from [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► the start when they introduced car [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► is flying in Devlin's and and [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► pterodactyls and you're like okay this [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► is obviously something is going wrong [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► and they will explain it to us shortly [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► which they did but the actual but i felt [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the pacing was much I liked the idea of [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the doctor basically going around in the [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► beginning of us and and going to various [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► things and be like oh yeah I'm going to [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► I'm going to tie up my loose ends told [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► in flashback narrative which I actually [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► think i like the best words you know you [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► have that you have that wonderful trope [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► of the soothsayer telling this story to [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► the to the king more to the religious [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► leaders it was really cool to see them [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► twist and play on that and then having [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the Cabal of silence creatures to be [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► what do we have a name for them other [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► than silence creatures [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► yeah there's a silent silent part of the [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► silence yeah I'm was happy i think i [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► like corpulent actors to some always [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► happy to see in mcneese was a great [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► character on the british TV chef I love [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► him as Winston Churchill every time he [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► appears i'm like all good corpulent two [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► actors so John there's another two words [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► so what we'll say it will say it this [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► way that's always on the lake dr that's [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► a corpulent actor in time and space can [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► change it works I thought I thought that [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► seemed with the two of them was was [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► delightful with the weather where [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► they're fighting off the silence but [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► don't realize it [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► yes it appears that we are fighting [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► something why do I have a gun that's no [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► I like that narrative device and I i [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► think there have been times when when [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► Marquez has played a little too cute [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► with the with his his narrative devices [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► but in this case I actually enjoyed the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► whole Churchill and the doctor met him [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► sort of backing through the story and [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► occasionally interrupting for you know a [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► moment of sunshine as long as it's just [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► a few of them [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► yeah yeah that was that and then they [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► look up where did you get the pen that's [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► my question [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► nobody always have markers on them and [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► again oh yeah we have no other numbering [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► system other than actually not a new [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► thing that bothered me the most was this [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► binary was the fact that so he doesn't [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► in fact tell her his name when he [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► whispers in writer and yet when we first [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► met rivers on she tells him understand [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► it's it's later i was presenting [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► presumably at some point in the future [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► he will yes it was [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► yeah but I thought it would be funny if [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► in fact she had she had just told him at [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► that point [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► look in my eyes I think that that would [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► be funny maybe that is his name [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► I think the whole you know she's going [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► to the silence will fall when the [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► question is answered I mean he is going [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► to say it and he's gonna that's gonna be [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► his name and she's going to hear it [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► don't have we're going to know his name [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► and that's dr who that's just out of [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► sequence but you know what my wife and I [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► were talking about this because she [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► liked the episode and and she won't be [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► on the podcast so she sends her regards [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► but uh huh [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► she and i were talking about it what I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► said was I feel like I feel like this [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► didn't provide me with all of the kind [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► of logical resolution i would like from [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► from a finale but it did provide me much [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► like last year actually with an [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► emotional resolution I felt I felt like [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► you know the things that mattered to me [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► in terms of the storytelling and the [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► characters were all kind of ticked off [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► at the end I was like yes yes that [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► that's all good and I can I can grow for [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► you know plot things like why you know [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► why build uh Apollo space suit and [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► deploy it to kill somebody in the water [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► in 2011 and i don't know why that is why [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► did the TARDIS blow up last season the [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► are we ever going to hear that it was [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► are we just gonna forget about that [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► because it's it was so long ago now that [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► doesn't even remember that it happened [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► you know stuff like that it was [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► unsatisfying in a way but the stuff that [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► you know about the characters and all [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► that were much more satisfying [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► I i think there's a great thing to those [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► that we have to enjoy the day this is [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► satisfying is when the silence this [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► reminds me of the the thing they say [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► Rory they're like [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► Laurey Williams who dies oh yeah and i'm [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► like somebody doesn't die [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► yeah this is the comic relief in the in [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► the two-parter i'm blanking on the name [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► of the Daleks steal the earth in the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► diver assistant wonderful story Thank [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► You and and the prime minister says I'm [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► what's-her-name Harriet Jones Ontario [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► Ontario who you however yes he asked me [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► now oh you are the best comic relief [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► moment the silence since that moment [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► also we got it we got on Pont Amelia [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► part this time which was great and i [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► will say just to just to point this out [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► and I'll see if the gentleman on the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► panel agree with me [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► looks great and I had any problem [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► looking about as good as ever look 100 [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► not occur [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► yeah and like the eyepatch III taking [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► off and she's very nicely put on all her [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► makeup under her eye patch [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► even though she was presumably thinking [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► if if you see under my eye black world [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► bed and everything she's a mean she's a [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► model right he's gotta think she's [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► always thinking she's always prepared [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► that's right Scott you know anything [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► about my eye I loved it I loved the the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► rapport between her and roy i love the [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the drawing of him with the doctor [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► tracking up about it [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► that was great i love the after she [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► saves Rory we should have a drink [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► sometime and get married yeah okay [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► no the moment I mean that's the other [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► thing about this episode is the moments [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► in this episode we're all at I think [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► I i think the only the only moment that [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► I don't that doesn't work for me is the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► wedding on the roof of the pyramids lord [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► why was it necessary and yeah yeah they [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► don't really mean that [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► what is she some help for this universe [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► but they didn't do anything except send [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► text messages to the Sun they will miss [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► you could buy btdub would love to be [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► there and busy sorry yeah [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► dr. we send our best thanks for [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► everything good luck would also die a [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► happy death they love everyone everyone [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► that there is one doctor who is point i [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► mean the point was river trying to show [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► him how important he was in that letter [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► just walk into this and I tried all your [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► friends don't want to help [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► cute but you're really important the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► entire universe is almost completely [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► destroyed because of a misunderstanding [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► right because it's really the doctor [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► saying referred no seriously go ahead [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► and kill me seriously [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► alright I'll tight go ahead it's telling [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► me true she's being very immature in [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► this section and I think it's funny [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► because I think he keeps on trying to [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► tell her you know he's like I'm [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► disappointed in you this was a bad idea [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and she keeps on looking at him with [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► lovey-dovey eyes and look I did this [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► also yes River this is younger river so [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► yeah I know they did that well when [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► she's with her parents and she's acting [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► like she's about 14 years old at the end [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and I thought oh she's pitching this [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► just right [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► she's acting like a teenager she may be [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► in a 40 something year old woman's body [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► but she's she's perfectly like mom daddy [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► mommy's a drink [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► how great was that the realization for a [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► me that she's the doctors mother-in-law [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► nothing else and weather for the wedding [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► fallout with a moment all right like [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► that's the way down her face [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► yeah but I mean I feel like the doctor [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► kind of had to marry hurt get her to [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► agree to do anything which was a weird [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► kind of it was a weird plot device [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that's how i got married but oh so much [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► haha ah but the universe is ok it was [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► worth it [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► we're not really married the right [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► because it isn't was there an old [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► handsome man wife [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► that's right isn't a bad wife I find the [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► whole time lord things you have to tell [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► your name and he didn't do that [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► so which is funny because I i read [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► somewhere that someone complaining about [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► the fact that well you know she's trying [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► to do river justifies a me not being a [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► murderer because it was in a different [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► timeline that never happened yet she [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► still claims she's married however I [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► think agreeing with Glen's point agree [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► with Glen's point that she's you know [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► this is not that there's nothing wrong [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► with that like right of course it's [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► irrational i think it's it's willfully [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► irrational because she is a teenager [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► it's like wow yeah okay but the things [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► that matter are still true [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► I get to kiss him and John before we [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► move on talking about the rest of the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► season and the other couple of episodes [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► would you like to unload a few more of [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► here at think that utilizes rapid-fire [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► like like your fire machine-gun a bunch [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► of cider I tradition court ones so the [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► wedding ceremony we just discussed [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► yeah they have the scene where she's [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► very like you know the whole universe [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► can be destroyed as it were that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► whatever her [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► our ultimatum thing and she goes yeah [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► yes it is like we have like don't read [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► previously they had they had river in [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► their relationship kind of like there [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► was this unseen depth roads all off [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► camera we didn't know we had been privy [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► to this information you know that we [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► knew they met each other and they have [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► this romance or something we never saw [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► it but at this point we've seen them [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► interact so many different stages in the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► timeline that and I was still not sold [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► on this great love the worst also yes [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► they have the conjugal visits in jail [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► repeatedly or whatever you know that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► they hinted at there's still stuff off [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► camera that we're not seeing the when [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► did this relationship formed between [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► them that's romantic [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► I get more of a romantic vibe from from [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► Rory and Amy than I do from those not [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► that I'm saying that there they did a [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► bad job or wasn't scripted but you can't [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► sell the season ending in a moment on I [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► love you so much I want to destroy the [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► universe well sorry you didn't you [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► didn't convince me of that I didn't get [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► in find well it's an obsession isn't it [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► it's I mean she's been indoctrinated [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► basically right now [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► uh-huh she's been indoctrinated to kill [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► the doctor and then it swaps over [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► basically once he frees her in my [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► apologies that was an inadvertent yes I [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► thought they were trying to pay more [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► sincere than that but I don't know so [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► that that ever did not ring true for me [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► also where she had a sequence of the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► relationship right i think it's early so [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► she's sort of maybe they're gonna grow [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► in that relationship is always off [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► camera we never get to see that romance [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► just always assumed to be happening [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► we may see it in the future when you're [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► not gonna have a full episode of ramen [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► like really but they had a false two [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► full seasons of already got the doctor's [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► wife was as close as we got that I I [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► wouldn't i mean i-i other than the fact [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that I don't think alex kingston was [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► interested because she's got up [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► she's got a daughter in the u.s. you [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► know they get big and put her in the [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► show for a year and then be like see ya [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► now we'll get those adventures but i [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► don't think they ever will I think she [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► will always this is what river song is [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► made for she pops in and and there's a [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► lot of stuff that sort of off-camera [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► that you just have to take on faith and [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► all right John [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► what else what else you got for us so [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► usually they have at the end of the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► season they like to put the universe or [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► at the very least the earth in peril [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► that's the thing right [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► yeah and this new thing so this time I [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► thought it was an interesting idea to [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► say we're going to put the doctor in [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► peril is not the universe is not the [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► earth is just the doctor [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► the personal story about him it's his [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► crisis right they still have to go on to [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► say like well it's not just dr. because [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► the doctor goes away that puts the [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► universe in peril because the universe [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► needs the doctor can't they just have it [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► as a nice season about him personally [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► that's not enough at stake of a I I [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► thought they'd waffled on I i hear ya I [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► hear you on that uh and that actually [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► something that I thought which is it's [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► actually similar structure the last [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► season's finale where there's kind of an [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► alternate universe that's created [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► because weird time things and people are [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► in there and then it has to get fixed [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► that the difference though this time [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► which i thought was funny and there's a [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► nice moment where this comes up is we're [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► talking about what's wrong and the [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► doctor says it's because i'm alive so [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► the universe is broken now because he [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► hasn't died not because he has and [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► that's that's a nice twist because [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► you're right they have many times [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► they've done be you know we've got to [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► say the doctor to save the universe and [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► now it's like know you've gotta kill the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► doctor and they probably could have done [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► more with that right i mean he you know [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► they're there but you know it make sure [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► they could have gone a different way [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► with it but but I did think that was [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► interesting even though it did seem a [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► little bit reminiscent of the Big Bang [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► from last year with the whole alternate [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► history thing it was nice eternal [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► stickers again now plugging his book on [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► the BBC morning you know Meredith Vieira [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► years obviously people while she was she [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► was there with the today show and they [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► did like a thing from the set and so [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► they put her in the episode [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► apparently that's the same way we don't [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► know who these British celebrities are [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► they don't know who are right the guys [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► interviewing Charles Dickens reason and [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► that is a great segue into closing time [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the previous episode which yours James [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► Corden back is Craig from the larger [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► which is one of my favorite episodes of [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► last season and my understanding see [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► where a bunch of Americans here [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► my understanding is that James Corden [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► who's got a famous popular sitcom i [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► guess in the UK and lots of people [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► really hate him at because they don't [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► like a show animal and i have no idea [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► what else he's done but I love him and [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► the as craig and the rapport with with [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► Matt's miss delightful this whole [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► episode was delightful is a delight [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► oh he's so adorable and it shows once [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► again that the Cyberman are the worst [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► villains and Doctor Who and they know [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► we're not around and they know it right [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► i mean that's the thing about this [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► episode is that it's like well we got a [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► comedy episode we Cybermen kinda looks [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► scary but they're useless so we'll just [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► have to be useless like all right I [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► guess you mean the scariest villain in [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► the episode was the little like [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► cyber-render what is happening with the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► matter rat with you real mouth poorly [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► composited real mouth i like to call him [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► buddy yeah yeah yeah this whole episode [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► was great that the doctor's report with [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► Craig is awesome i love the first scene [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► with I'm back [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► you've redecorated i see i don't like it [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► we moved into a new house the previous [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► pitch up at the picture fantasy league [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► pitch episode I've got to say there's [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► parts of this is like the doctor and [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► Craig they live together and become you [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► know it's like it's like you're seeing [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► like a sitcom I could do a 20-minute [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► version of this every week fighting [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► pantomime villain that would be an [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► enjoyable said come to watch I have to [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► admit we called the pantomime doctor I [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► speak baby by the way right that will [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► finish today little black yeah there was [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► a man that wasn't mentioned it earlier i [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► can remember when but I suppose it's now [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► the pond right now melody pond right in [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► a good man goes to work right right [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► right for me i don't know that i love [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► the I love the shape [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► Shh oh yeah sure another life for ya [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► you know what I mean no no not all of [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► them just certain ones i mean i like [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► that it works on Craig in particular [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► right just once but it doesn't really [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► work for bunch of time I love actually [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► one of the things I love about I see [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► that episode where the get a sci-fi plot [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► is really not necessary it's their door [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► aspects of gather have to this right is [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► there to be there but some of the it's [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► just funny and sweet and there's some [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► moments that are really nice and i like [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► i love the fact that the doctor gets a [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► job at the department store employee and [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► also lined up with the name tag that [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► says the doctors don't I asked the [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► doctor because that people buy but uh [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► that everybody who works at the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► department store loves him and this is [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► why don't you let you know your five [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► they would [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► it's like how does he do that with this [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► power rake trying to get information was [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► just the funniest because you could see [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► he was being very earnest but at the [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► same time so creepy [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► look at my baby isn't keeping you every [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► time I picture this episode of my mind I [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► see Andy Richter instead of whoever this [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► probably could do it in two [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► interchangeable I've mapped i have [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► mapped in American celebrity on that [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► he's a little more sad sack then it than [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► any rare but yes I can't get that image [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► out of my head [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► thanks John it and this is a case where [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► I'm not gonna complain about the stupid [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► Cyberman plot because it was so clearly [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► not important to the episode in fact i [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► would have liked it if they remove that [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► plot you're not going to complain about [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► the fact that the doctor says the ship [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► is containing the explosion when they [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► clearly show the explosion happening [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► outside the show back that I think [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► there's a ship or why was it done there [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► it's just buried in material and save [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► was power a well-loved and there's also [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► some kind of love this is cute [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► this is acually the business in the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► subsidy yeah maybe saved by love I what [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► I like about that and it's something the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► doctor who has done going back to that [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► first episode of the reboot with the how [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► do we kill them being a living plastic [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► well you just use anti plastic that this [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► was like that where the doctor says well [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► no you didn't really say from with love [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► their it's very it's much more technical [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► and yeah nevermind yeah sure you save [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► him with love I love that because it's [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► it's the show say it's really not [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► important [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► it sure [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► just yes it was loved one hour it goes [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► back to this whole Steven Moffat run [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► being more of a fairy tale than [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► scientific right right [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► the logic is not as important or the [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► science-fiction aspects are not as [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► important as they were in previous [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► iterations for sure everyone and I like [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► that I like that in fact as John said [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► cyber better in it you know the ship [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► kinda looks cool and they got to reuse [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► the set i think from a good man goes to [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► war right and just dirty it up and and [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► they're pointless and so there you there [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► used his assessment is there's the funny [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► they get the funny scene where he has [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► Craig not turn around because they have [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► teleported out of the elevator and into [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► the cyber ship and lets you know that [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► he's really good that's what their yeah [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► that's a good use of the cyber bullying [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► cranks interested that's the great part [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► Craig is tempted [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► he's like really well no I can't take it [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► that you have been a doctor was awesome [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► but no it wasn't all that surprised [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► um I thought the biggest problems [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► episode is really night terrors was it [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► which we all sort of wonder if we all [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► hate it i did not like night terrors [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► very much i was what i was the only [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► defender yeah yeah I sort of liked it it [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► had but it was like it was about 10 [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► minutes of a longer episode that they [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► ran to 44 in this case you have the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► closing time was probably the complete [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► realization of it three-dimensional [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► characters you care about the baby you [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► care about Craig there's a laughable [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► threat but it's still Craig has to [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► defend himself yesterday you know be a [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► father and step into the role and so [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► forth and it was very very funny too [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► I had one issue with this episode and [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► yes it was I thought the the idea you [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► could have been in the Craig role to III [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► do i am a husky fellow so i could have [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► stepped in [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► should-should no one else to be [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► available but how do you work anywhere [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► baby you should through I very carefully [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► exactly i don't think i get Alicia slide [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► I thought the the so was only like you [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► know a minute but of having Amy and Rory [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► in the department store and then having [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► apparently a me being the spokesperson [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► for perfume or was there you go that's [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► petrichor just a little bit [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► that's very nice that was unneeded [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► unnecessary what I well what I liked [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► about it is that is that the doctor sees [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► them he's [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► wants to talk to them and he had made [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► the decision to not not see them and [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► it's obviously been years two and he he [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► turns away and doesn't see them and I I [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► kind of liked that it was strange to [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► have it in that episode but given that [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► it's the one episode where we don't have [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► Amy and Rory and it was strategic oh [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► there they are and they're getting on [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► with their lives and he's just gonna [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► back away [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► I i think that expected aspect of it [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► didn't catch me you know yeah which was [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► kind of interesting and she's signing an [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► autograph why is she signing an [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► autograph [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► no she's and then we see this you know I [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► kind of I kind of liked it only because [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► we do drop them off in the with the [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► previous episode and it's nice to have a [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► little bit of call back there and see a [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► they're doing ok without him and I think [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► that's the real sort of book plz it's a [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► it's a positive thing and a blow at the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► same time because he doesn't he wants to [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► start and walk over to them and then [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► then he stops when he sees the autograph [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► and he stops when he sees no she's doing [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► well and oh they're happy and maybe I [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► shouldn't interfere and it's part of [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► this whole continuum we're starting with [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► the previous episode where he drops them [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► off and then going through this going [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► through stuff with Craig you know and [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► realizing you know this is he's coming [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► to the end of this road and then the [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► stuff in the beginning of the final [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► finale where not only does he talk sort [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► of about going to visit everybody you [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► know but he also he calls up the the [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► Brigadier short huh yeah they get that [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► tip of the head into the fact that the [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► actor passed away earlier this year and [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► but that's sort of what tips them over [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► the edge where he starts to realize you [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► know I think and I think there's a [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► continuum there right he he did leave [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► these people behind for a reason right [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► that will I'm sure get into in a moment [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► but it and this is all played into his [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► decision to go you know to go through [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► with this whole plan that he has I think [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► we all have positive feelings about [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► about closing time it was not a [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► complaint and I want to have a complaint [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► ok go for it oh no one complained [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► perhaps Oh John don't squander it so [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► this is like a lot more of a meta [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► complaint with this episode when it [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► started I thought oh this is going to be [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► an episode about Craig kinda like how [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► the larger ones like centered on him and [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► the doctor was there but it was [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► it was centered on non-doctor characters [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► they do those episodes occasionally I [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► and when I see episodes like that i was [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► compared to my head to the best [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► non-doctor center and episode link here [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► the best episode of the show i know i [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► know it is kind of unfair but it's it's [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► amazing to think that this episode that [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► everybody loves is not heavy on doctor [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► or anything like this nice still clearly [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► a doctor who episode so I thought they [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► might have gone in that direction with [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► this and that's where I see like the [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► Rory and Amy showing up as like them [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► under cutting themselves like you can do [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► an episode just Craig or maybe even just [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► Craig in the doctor don't bring those [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► guys back in because it doesn't seem [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► like they have the guts to they wouldn't [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► have the guts to a blink like episode [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► anymore was people would say where's [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► worried were not think so i think that [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► was part of the overarching plot i think [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► there's that was deliberate [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► I mean it was yeah i mean we're talking [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► about the penultimate episode know that [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► I mean after the late great is a weird [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► placement for this thing but when I saw [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► the episode reminded me of those ones [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► the ones that i like but occasionally [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► you could do an episode without those [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► people and just have an interesting [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► sci-fi stories it's almost as if doctor [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► who and his companions 10 min for making [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► the interesting sci-fi stories did ya [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► might want to say so what I've done the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► last couple years is break those into [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► and so this year with what you had was [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the girl who waited where the doctor [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► basically is only in one scene outside [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► of the tartness and the rest of it is [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► Amy and Rory and and then the other half [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► of it is this episode good at closing [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► time where Amy and Rory are only in one [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► scene and presumably I think these two [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► episodes were shot in parallel so that [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► their they could Bank two episodes at [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► once I say I'm whereas with blink they [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that you know the doctor and Martha are [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► into scenes and you know they shot it [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► concurrently so they've done this [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► companion light episode in a doctor [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► light episode and that's what the larger [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► was the larger last year was also the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► doctor will pay me as well as Amy she [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► was only ever on the TARDIS so it is [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► kind of like but it is off format a [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► little bit and you're right i think i [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► think when the show goes off format it [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► is it gets really interesting and that [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► they should be you know 30 today they [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► generally do about one season I wanted [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► to but it's good and like that like [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► Blake is the best example John and I've [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► said to people like a Twilight Zone [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► episode you don't even need to know [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► anything about [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► doctor-who to enjoy blink because you [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► know it's not really relevant to the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► show's continuity in fact the doctor is [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► barely and he's just some guy with a [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► time you can also argue that they're [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► setting it up to provide for the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► opportunity to do more of these sort of [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► standalone episodes now the doctor is [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► underground and not technically living [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► by the University standards right but [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► he's still alive did not clearly showing [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► this in closing time that when we walked [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► out of cine IBM fell from the roof and [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► killed into that was gonna say yeah and [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► they're just outside he was struck by a [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► car outside [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► yeah exactly so so let's talk about [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► let's talk at least briefly about the [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► god complex which is the i have [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► complaints about the god complex so [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► totally hotel somehow it's the Hotel [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► California episode [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► oh yeah it's it's a it's a shining [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► episode it's the star trek hollow shed [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► goes crazy episode practically when [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► taking it at face value this episode was [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► was interesting and kind of fun it's [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► like okay you know monsters and they're [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► chasing around the hotel and then once [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► they got to like the last year once they [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► got to the last five minutes at ten [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► minutes they're trying to explain what [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► this all is and why the praise Him and [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► everything in my head just started to [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► hurt and I'm like wait [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► ok so you're doing the Minotaur and the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► maze and I you know again I like the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► mythology but this felt so tacked on and [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► so completely out of left field that I [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► left was left very with a sour taste in [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► my mouth so I can I liked it I liked [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► everything I I thought that the what's [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► the that character the doctor and nurse [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► whatever they were setting her up to be [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► a replacement companion [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► yeah I Oh boys way to it was to all [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► those people it was more like he's he's [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► started to crush on her and be like you [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► could be my next prison you're so smart [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► i kinda creepy guy can ruin your life [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► yeah you guys I like it and I like that [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► there's that pulling out of the rug [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► where you know even the smart people you [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► know the people that the doctor thinks [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► you know our are worth it essentially [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► still don't get out all the time I kind [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► of enjoy I i kinda like this whole I [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► kind of like this whole episode I don't [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► know it i think because i was very [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► immersed in from the beach [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► me because of the way that they just [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► sort of drop you in and there is no [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► explanation of what you're going on [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► what's going on and so is kind of creepy [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► right there is amps the stocking this [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► and like that guy with all the the room [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► with although doesn't look with dummies [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► I don't there's a cloud adjective 1 I [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► mean just a cloud that's just sitting [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► there though right I get it it's i found [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► it you know largely understated for an [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► episode and not necessarily the most [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► original idea like there's there's rooms [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► for all your fears or whatever but I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► don't know I I there was something [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► effective about it for me and I didn't I [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► gotta understand the complaints about [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► the last five minutes at the same time [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► it was kind of nothing more than a [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► passing sort of interest for me where [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► it's like oh ok alright it's this thing [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► ok let's move on that's not really the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► point again this is the twist good [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► though that that it's not the rooms are [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► there with with full of your fears in [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► order to kill you [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► the rooms are there full of your fears [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► in order to have you have to rely on [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► something I think you get you through [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► and there was 13 my convoluted once it [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► finds that it eats that and you and then [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► you die happy right which is well I know [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► it was convoluted but it was interesting [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► and trying to be different and i saw [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► some discussions on the internet about [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► how they thought that that eating on a [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► that monster feeding on faith is a is a [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► sort of anti religious statement i [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► thought you know I now that I've [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► mentioned this stupid thing from the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► internet i'm gonna beat it up because i [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► don't i don't actually agree i think [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► that the point here is first off it's [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► it's an evil monster that eats on each [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► your faith but that they tried to be [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► broader than that i liked the whole [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► aspect of it having to be that you know [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► Amy had to lose her faith in the doctor [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► I i like that that sort of flip side [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► around it [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► well its initial setup and it's also [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► it's the doctor seeing just how badly [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► he's route he thinks that are ruining [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► people's lives and he's like well you [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► i'm not going to save you I can't save [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► this girl who I potentially could have [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► been my next companion I can't save [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► anybody [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► I'm going to drop you off and prepare [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► myself and go away and i think there's [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► also they were trying to do a parallel [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► between the the Minotaur beast being old [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► and and you know you're trying to make [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► his way they were trying to do it and i [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► saw i saw all the pieces [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► like I like the the first 40 you know 30 [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► minutes of the episode and I like the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► pieces that they were trying to put [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► together I just don't know if it [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► succeeded may be entirely if you better [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► on paper than in yes it's like a doctor [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► who episode recipe because it's always [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► like one part strange situation a [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► one-part thing with Lauren Amy's [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► relationship one part overall mythology [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► leading towards the finale and when they [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► get the mix right it works out i [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► definitely agree that all the [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► ingredients were there but the mix was a [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► little lumpy right i will say this [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► though great direction [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► I don't know what happened to your [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► metaphor I guess whoever was running the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► beat the the mixer with a good job i [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► will another production the production [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► was really and we'll just looks [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► fantastic and looked eerie and creepy [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► and those two episodes that were talking [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► about the same director because I think [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► he directed the girl who waited to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► really like them visualize just some [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► stuff that you haven't seen a doctor who [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► was like you know really striving to [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► provide some a different look and in [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► this one you have the security cameras [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► and security cameras were great [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► both of them did a really good job of [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► being very internally consistent in [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► creating these worlds that were [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► incredibly distinct i love the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► claustrophobic feel about above the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► hotel with the the stairway and with the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► TARDIS on it and it was gone and my [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► TARDIS and we start and we start there [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► and and like like you said and the you [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► dropped in [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► I mean I actually love that when doctor [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► who does that where you're like what [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► where are we why are we doing this you [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► know instead of having to be hey we're [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► in the TARDIS let's go somewhere this [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► place looks interesting let's go out the [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► doors and have an adventure you know I [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► kind of like it when they don't do that [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► but they walked out right yeah like you [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► said they disappeared they walk out like [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► there's you know a minute and then [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► they're like okay we should go [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► oh crap yeah we can't its I thought that [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► the very small to the hotel this right [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► since all of us have attended many [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► conferences and been in endless hotel [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► corridor all of the ventriloquist w yeah [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► i mean that happen home designs yes [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► yeah and you're like always did that and [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► I started to have this is why i could [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► never watch the office either the UK the [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► US was up i don't work in offices like [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► that what is too similar to experiences [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► they've had where I start getting the [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► palpitations and like this episode of [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► Scott me like all the endless hotel room [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► oh I didn't want to give a shout out to [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the the the the Cowardly aliens who I [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► really hope appear in pleasure from the [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► servants most because i love all I love [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the idea right where the video channel [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► surrender monkeys [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► yeah what do you think about them not [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► even is just a surrender to infiltrate [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► and i love that I love that concept and [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► I really hope that actually yeah that's [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► another apparently famous actor from the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► David David Walliams always a little [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► little britain guy right yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► so so that we don't recognize plus he [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► was dressed up like an alien butt so I [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► let's talk a little bit before we go [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► about the season as a whole we did this [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► last year and I think it's worth doing [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► again to go around and maybe ask for [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► what your favorite episode of the whole [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► season was and if you'd like to beat on [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► something that your least favorite thing [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► in the in the season and I guess I'll [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► start because that way you guys will [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► have time to ponder while I while I talk [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► about my favorite thing I think my [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► favorite episode of the season is you [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► know the neil gaiman episode is obvious [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► but I i guess i'll say instead just to [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► be less obvious less let's kill hitler [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► because it was such a misdirection and [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► it was wild and crazy and had the crazy [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► shift with the little alien people [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► inside it you know but I i like the game [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► episode 2i like most of the Mafia [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► episodes other than I i think the the [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► two-parter at the beginning of the [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► second part of that wasn't so so great [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► so and then my least favorite this is [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► going to be everybody's to say this but [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► that time the pirate episode yes which [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► it isn't by renault deal of that up then [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► looked up to go i did not all of us when [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► that was the run and that was you know [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► read what do you think what were your [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► favorite and least favorite things about [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► you stole my favorite my favorite hands [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► down as let's kill hitler but I'm oh God [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► was my second favorite are you can you [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► can just go with me [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► hi oh I would [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► ok i will check in with Jason let's kill [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► let's kill hitler was I still have [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► quotes banging around in my head from [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► that from that show from that episode I [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► love the characterization of Mel's as [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► melody pond much much more than I like [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► the melody pond is River Song revelation [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► and good man goes to war although i do [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► have to shout out the first like 10 [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► minutes of good man goes to war because [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► the brewery and everything was very very [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► well-crafted and i will say i liked up [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► on as the season as a whole I found when [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► I was because I after i finished [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► watching the finale i went back and sort [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► of went through the recap starting with [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the impossible astronaut and looking at [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► this you know with the exception of a [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► couple of weird ones like curse of the [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► black spot I the season was remarkably [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► cohesive and it felt a lot stronger than [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► last season with the Pandorica was very [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► cool kind of season finale everything [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► comes together but I felt like there [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► weren't as many clues is there were this [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► season we really got we got a lot of [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► interesting concepts like we got a we [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► got flesh Amy the ganger Amy and we got [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► a we got the sort of little independent [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► episode the neil gaiman episode with the [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► TARDIS we built a lot of background in [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► addition to having a big a big bad story [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► and and having a nice overarching plot [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► and they did they did a lot of really [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► really good stuff and what 12 13 [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► episodes right we're gonna so what you [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► think would hold held together better if [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► they had run them all through instead of [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► splitting them into you know I actually [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► kind of like the break because I mean if [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► you if you went from directly from a [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► good man goes to war and the melody pond [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► revelation straight into the Mel's [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► scenario I kind of feel like we would [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► get it from the gecko be like wait a [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► second there's a new girl here and we [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► just had you know I i don't know i feel [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► i actually liked the like the space and [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► like the ramp up to two finales okay um [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► Glenn about you [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna go with you I'll do it [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► I'll do 24 just because I'm [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► verse i think the doctor's wife i liked [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► as a call back to the old doctor who [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► cereals that it had such a feeling of [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► like the Tom Baker era but updated with [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► like good computer graphics a better [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► plot snap your script but it was fun and [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► kind of chasing around the corner or [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► sway because they're chasing around [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► corners but I i find them [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► I thought it was was a very strong [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► episode in preserving mythology and just [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► being hilarious and interesting and and [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► someone thought provoking but the girl [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► who waited as because the most [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► emblematic was my favorite of the new [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► kind of doctor who aesthetic which is [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► more intellectual and poses problems [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► that are actually harder and resolvable [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► and terrible things happened sort of the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► hard sci-fi way things are unresolvable [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► someone has to die in a terrible way [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► they never even exist [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► it's the worst units the worse than [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► death scenario modern sci-fi is you've [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► been erased from history or existence as [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► opposed to just been killed [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► there's no afterlife there's no other [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► kind of experience for your gone except [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► in memory i think those two are the best [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► i actually thought this season i would [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► say was bugging me because there are [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► several episodes in like it like the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► flash episodes at all the pirate episode [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► i thought was terrible god complex was [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► sort of fun but I thought it was thin i [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► did not like night terrors so I thought [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► there's some very strong episodes and I [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► thought they were so very weak ones that [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► didn't even rise to my mind to like the [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► pirate one being like just enjoyable to [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► watch some of the most enjoyable [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► episodes were also some of the best ones [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► that were just sort of rollicking and [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► like the closing closing time but but i [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► think you know and so not a strong [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► season i would think is a has-been felt [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► but but very strong episodes in the [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► alright yeah overall I i think i have to [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► decide with the let's kill hitler with a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► good man goes to war being a close [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► second [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► I like that to partner in general i [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► agree with Ren said about the if you [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► didn't have that break there i think it [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► would lose some of its impact you know [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► it's just like our can't wait to see [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► what happens next week but the fact that [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► we had to wait you know a few months to [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► figure out what happened i think it [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► intensified it [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► overall I think the second half of the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► season was a lot better than the first [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► half and maybe that's just I know that [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► they rearranged some stuff and maybe [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► that's just you know how about the chips [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► fell but i found myself enjoying all the [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► episodes much more in the second half [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► like Glenn [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► I thought the pirate episode was just [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► atrocious and i didn't i didn't really [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► even have fun with it [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► I did not like the flesh episodes really [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► either but you know I guess I'm the lone [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► person who like the most of the episodes [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► in the second half of the season and I [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► just sort of felt like I was much more [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► immersed in invested in this story once [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► that we hit we had that sort of [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► mid-season finale and pick up and i [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► think that there's just the overall [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► there's a lot to like about this season [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► i think you know in particular some of [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► the characters really came more into [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► their own Matt Smith's doctor is much [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► more clearly defined i thought that i [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► really liked the the progress that they [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► made with Rory going from a sort of [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► two-dimensional like let's kill them off [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► a lot of character to to a character why [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► I really liked you know when he [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► especially in the beginning of good man [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► goes to war I think that's you know a [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► character defining moment for him [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► I like that they kept a lot of the stuff [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► that they develop starting at the end of [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► the last season for him and and he's [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► become one of my favorite characters [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► because he is kind of hapless but also [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► incredibly you know pure just a good [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► person right and I think that that is a [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► a you know he's got a parole quality to [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► him in that sense and now my night feel [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► like I can't really say much bad about [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► any pond so maybe don't you dare idea i [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► wouldn't i'm a sucker arena but yeah [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► overall I i think this season had more [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► strong episodes i think it had some [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► lower lows in the first season but also [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► much higher highs alright John what [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► about you but when I'm different my [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► flame retardant headset now let's write [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► ok that's a place I think season six [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► made me appreciate season five more [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► after have 25 you said how this matt [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► smith doing i think i gave a positive [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► review to see some fire but watching [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► season six like if you were to lay out [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► the the Ark plot it's just like an [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► outline form of like is we're going to [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► do in the first episode we have a doctor [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► died or apparently died and then we're [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► going to then we're going to introduce [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► this concept the flesh and then we're [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► going to have the Flash Amy and we had [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► the baby is going to river song and you [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► know I could just lay off those points [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► at that those those are reasonable bones [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► for a season's arc and then what I would [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► have said it was laying out like that [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► it's okay those are the bones of the [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► thing but what is this season about I [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► would have tried to make the season I [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► think that kind of trying to make the [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► season a personal story about the doctor [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► it's not about the universe being at [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► stake Rory and Amy story pretty much was [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► the previous season in that triangle [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► situations that's what we're not gonna [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► do you know this is this is this season [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► about the doctor but then what they hung [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► on those bones was a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► raggedy stuff in there I actually [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► dislike night terrors more than I just [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► like that the pirate episode which is [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► saying something [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► yeah it's closed for me to honestly I [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► really just like that episode 2 [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► yeah and and the the individual when [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► they filmed pieces of the arc story when [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► they filmed like the revelation about [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► the flesh Amy or the doctor dying or are [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► any of those things that when they [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► filmed art pieces are the pieces of [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► River Song those segments were good but [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► they were spread too thin i would like [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► to see them made more dense to make room [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► in the middle for good a better for [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► better episodes with you know that they [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► weren't so concerned with our stuff [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► yeah because like every episode that [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► they want to have some interesting idea [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► they tried to hang with summer stuff on [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► so if i had to pick a favorite I'm [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► actually probably going to pick the girl [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► who waited even though I dumped on that [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► episode a lot at least it was trying to [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► do something different with the [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► characters with killing off the old Amy [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► in that dilemma and that's what i want [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► to see from us I know it's like you know [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► spanish see fairytale cyber from a [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► sci-fi show i want to see stuff like [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► that it's going to be character-driven [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► sci-fi then finally have an established [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► character who makes care about killing [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► the old Abbey do more of that don't [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► weigh those episodes down with the other [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► stuff and i'm looking through the the [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► episode list here I don't like PDA i'm [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► actually looking at the writers but [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► normally take no note but i can see that [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► the the episodes that Steven Moffat road [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► aa-are i mean it it shows i wouldn't say [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► who wrote those but like it he wrote [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► like it so let's kill hitler a good man [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► goes to war the opening two episodes in [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► the finale and I think the level of the [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► writing those episodes it shows that [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► that's like a step up from the ones [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► between but not just talking about i [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► think other than the neil gaiman episode [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► and maybe I'm a closing time which is [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► going [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► light and funny but I think you're right [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► there's definitely a difference of the [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► game episode is the only other one where [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► i'd say like wow that was really solid [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► in a way that some of the others like [TS]