63: Like a Good Book Exploded
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the incomparable contest number 60 every
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october twenty LM welcome back to the
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uncomfortable podcast i am your host
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Jason L we're in the midst of talking
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about gigantic fantasy novels in our
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previous podcast we talked about George
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RR Martin's latest dance with dragons
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and in this edition we're going to
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continue our massive fantasy tome
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discussion with Patrick Rafa's new book
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The Wise Man's Fear joining me on this
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podcast as always are
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dan morgan serenity Caldwell John
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siracusa and Scott McNulty now i should
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say that the wise man's fear is the
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sequel to the name of the wind that
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we've covered in episode number 29 of
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the uncomfortable titled magic fridge
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however I wasn't actually on that
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podcast because at the time I did not
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know the name of the wind illustration
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it's george mr. but I thought they call
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the wind Mariah comments concerns anyway
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they the the sequel also a giant
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thousand-page fantasy novel The Wise
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Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss and I've
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read that one too
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i I'm fully up to date on the both saga
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as it were can't even pronounce his name
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that's pretty good but you read the
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first one and the second one
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yes I have read I've read them I've read
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them both i read the first one so i
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could listen to my own podcast so it's
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supposedly supposedly there is only one
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that's really yeah I i kept I kept
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waiting for the kill
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killer chronicles day 3 and at the end
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of book 3 is like wow I thought I told
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you this would only go three days but I
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think we're over time so let's just come
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back and finish it booked for no I think
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my my first question for everybody is do
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you think that book 3 will finish the
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past or are we going to get some present
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our is the framing story going to become
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the primary story at the end of this
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this run
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well think of how think about it done so
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far like what's the overall story arc of
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these supposed three books it's like bad
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guys killed his parents and I'm assuming
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it's going to be like he comes of age
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and has some sort of conflict with these
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bad guys to kill his parents but we got
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2,000 pages and what does he really done
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to progress in that story arc well get
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bad guys to kill his parents we got that
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out of college
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yeah he was called you learn how to make
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magic fridge and he kind of learned a
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little bit of magic stuff and he figured
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out the guys who killed his parents are
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that's good that's a step out and that
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basically is that it exists and that
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they're bad but they're only here only
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figured out they exist because of
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proving the existence of some guys to
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fought them right
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I love that piece that's it's like it's
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like discovering exoplanets by seeing
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the gravitational shifts in like the
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stars or whatever
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well he likes the you know he's probably
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on the guy but seriously 2,000 pages he
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has not made a really significant
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progress in his quest to avenge the
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death of his parents and fight like that
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time was spent a lot of time doing other
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things two thousand pages with other
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things but so what I say is he gonna
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finish up or we can have time I don't
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think he's gonna have time to just get
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through the main story arc in book 3 and
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let alone to have like present-day stuff
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where the old John it turns out he never
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actually found who killed his parents he
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just he just gave up and working about
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working apartment have a basic story and
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then where do you go to do with the
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present-day stop rafas is not afraid as
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an author to just skip over stuff like
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when he there was a shipwreck at the
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trial the trial was really exactly yeah
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and then what happened yeah no I think
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it's good i think it's great and I think
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that's how he can end it in three books
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because he'll just say okay and then a
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bunch of stuff happened that sounds
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really interesting but I'm not gonna
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tell you about it and here's the climate
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and I kept those guys keep my parents
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that felt good
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what was kind of cool about this book is
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that we do start to see the the the
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things about clothes that that make him
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such a legendary figure right we see him
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doing all this stuff that nobody else
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has done you know I see him going to
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that crazy fairy realm we see him
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training with the warrior guys we seem
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like you know murder that entire caravan
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basically and these are all things that
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then become stories of him and we we do
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start to realize that some of the
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stories are inflated and out of
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proportion I'd that's my favorite part
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of it honestly is hearing is in the
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present framing story when the people in
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the bar arguing about like the stories
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about clothes
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it is I find that fascinating that
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little bit of metafiction it's like all
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these world you know these characters
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are our
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thing about this legendary figure oh no
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he was 20 feet tall no sword was this
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thing or whatever I kind of enjoyed that
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part of it
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yeah I you know it's for me that the
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strange thing is that is that not that
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he is bold enough to say well suffice it
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to say there was a shipwreck and i ended
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up naked penny listen town right because
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that's kind of funny
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the weird thing to me is there are these
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things that feel like digressions and
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they're probably important to the
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overall story but still at one point so
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i think i'm watching a story of a guy
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coming of age and learning things in the
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University and then at one point it's
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like well we're gonna take this
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diversion and you're going to go to this
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other town where there's a guy who's
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kind of like a king but he's not a king
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and you're gonna be in you're going to
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be in his service so you go there
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there's this whole digression I'm
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learning how to play a game and out what
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all the coins me and I'm going to meet
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the guy and I'm gonna befriend him like
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this is a strange digression and then
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the King says I'm gonna send you on a
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mission
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it's like wait now we're in a digression
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inside the digression and we're not done
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and then we are on the mission there's
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the the he goes into the fairy realm and
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now what it's like with three what we're
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inside the the round parentheses and
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then inside the square bat brackets and
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then inside the curly brackets right
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it's like how deep in its its brackets
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all the way down Jason yeah wise man's
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inception evidence that it's it's framed
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in this story the framing students with
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you right after the framing stories that
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were four levels and it's in a book that
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you're reading in the story of your own
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what so so that's the part that that's
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the part that killed me is like he's
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bold enough to say i'm not going to talk
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about the trial I'm not gonna talk about
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the shipwreck and yet something else
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like you're going to meet the guy and
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learn about the court and often but i
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think it's far east and then and then
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you're going to go on a mission and
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you're going to meet new people and
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you're gonna have adventures with him in
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the trees and learn with this guy who's
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got martial arts skills and then you're
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going to go to fairyland have a lot of
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very sex for a while then you'll come
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back it's like you know wow
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and they don't have sex with ninjas but
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i think that the i think i made this
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point in our the podcast about the first
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book is that I think the book is really
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about storytelling right so and can both
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isn't building his own legend so we
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and I have to we have to you know it's
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kind of a shaggy dog story right where
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he's just kind of popped around and
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doing all these kinds of crazy things
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and the real story is the framing story
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that isn't really much of a story but
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he's telling his own story and and then
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so he's telling the story of how he got
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to where he is but dude can we actually
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trust what he's saying I don't know but
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that's a whole part i agree with
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Scotland and that's fascinating i mean
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if you've ever known somebody who is
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really great it like likes it now you
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sit down in a bar and have a drink with
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them and they tell like really
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engrossing stories other life I've had
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it I've met a couple people over the
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years were just like it's fascinating
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you just always want to know what
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happened after that right and I think
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that that clothes very much that that
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kind of figure where it's just like
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you're just kinda hooked on what he's
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telling you and and you don't
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necessarily you know to a certain extent
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maybe you want your wonder where it goes
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all goes like you know overall but at
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the same time you're just too engrossed
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in these stories to necessarily care
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immediately maybe at the end you really
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can't wait well what is the point of
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that but i think i think there's a time
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when you're reading it and you're in it
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where it's just it is very engrossing
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let's recall how this story begins
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though allowed his book begins around
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this book begins when I don't know how
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many it is because we're all reading it
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electronically but it seems like a big
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big hunk of pages where it's like high
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drinks at hog works and he has no money
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and then is often the distance and he's
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borrowing money from debbie and Ambrose
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is on his case because Ambrose is me and
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that went on for a long time like Jesus
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did we do a whole like look at this
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stuff but they gonna go somewhere so I
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was relieved when days are finally let's
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do something different they repeated
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every single thing from the first book
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within the first year you wanted 200
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then finally that I had to invent
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something yeah like I was given a poison
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and i had to get my my tuition and it
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was large and I fucking say what you
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will about the University stuff but it's
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all it's all written so enjoy i believe
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that I don't mind it so much and despite
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any i'm a sucker for university stories
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so yeah it's it's repetitive and it's
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boring but it's fun and there's music
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and and you get to I feel like you're
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learning more about the world in it
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well we learned about that in the first
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book though that's why i was happy when
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he left and when he went through all
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these digressions i found the
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digressions much more interesting then
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university life even though as Jason
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points out they seem to go nowhere haha
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i like each aggression was like oh
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that's a cool little setting and now
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okay i was another little setting out
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the ferry sex with blonde but even in
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the very sex they had the thing to live
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in the tree which is interesting and
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then we're on to something else and the
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story about the moon and and and I
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recommend highly chill Walton who wrote
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a book that i just read that i liked a
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lot Joe Walton the author Welsh author
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is blogging a reread analysis of these
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books on tor.com and it's fascinating
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actually because it sounds like there
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are lots and lots of things that are
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really embedded in this story in the
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first book and the second one apparently
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rafas wrote all these books is first
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draft before we went back so we have to
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go rewrite so he knows so this it's not
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like he's making it up as he goes along
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their stuff in there and and it blew my
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mind reading the blog post because
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they're there is the story that's being
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told here in a lot of detail like the
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one that really blew me away is in the
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in the second book when he said that the
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Court of the mire and the mire it has
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has married the loculus lady and she is
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she hates um whatever the demo room yeah
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the gypsies the edema ruh which which
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both as a member of and one of the
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reasons is because her cousin sister on
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something ran off and married one that's
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totally closed mother his mother in yeah
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and in fact if you look at the first
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book one of the songs the song that his
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mother yells at his father for singing
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ends with a rhyme that at the time
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looked like she was saying that she
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lacked less and it turns out that it's
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the name of the lattice character who is
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his mother's real name and so I love
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that the fact that it upon scrutiny this
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story actually has more going on than
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you'd think because I you know you get
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the sense of that I notice of it like
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when he's in Fairyland everything
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fullerene says is in rhymed couplets
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even though it's not written as verse
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she speaks in verse so you have to sort
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of read
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out loud and figure out that that's what
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she's doing lots of nice touches like
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that i think crank up my my estimation
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of this story a lot that it is it does
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feel rich even though i am laughing to
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my stuff when we're in a digression
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inside aggression inside and aggression
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inside a frame i still don't call that a
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good story though that's maybe like he
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has interesting it that's kind of like
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soap opera plot points where things
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interact now and I wouldn't say so
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there's a writing question or conflict
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and and the character that goes through
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some sort of change and like it i I
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don't I mean I like those in those
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worlds in those settings and i enjoy
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reading you know about them and stuff
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but in terms of storytelling I want a
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story like it dipped ability even
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something as big and flabby is Lord of
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the Rings still has an overall story the
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ring they got destroyed they have this
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big long journey that you know that it
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is a bunch of crap in the middle but
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there's still an arc now maybe the third
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book will do that but so far it's been
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two books of treading water pleasant
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treading water in some cases but it's
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entirely an arc i would argue that the
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character changes from book 12 i mean if
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you look at where he is when he starts
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out you know in terms of like we get his
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backstory and then I think the scene the
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scene in that whole book that gave me
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the most sort of like recognition of
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this this character change changing is
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when he murders that entire caravan
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right like in cold blood essentially
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right like that's that is a very
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different guy that like that is not a
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university studio i'm happy to be
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learning stuff just hanging out with my
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friends having some drinks playing some
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music no and then I murder a whole bunch
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of people he was always a hothead and
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jerk low
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ya know there's a difference between a
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hot-headed jerk and murdering people and
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what I don't know I didn't see it out of
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character because he was always getting
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it under his skin anytime anyone said
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anything about his quote unquote erase
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but really just his profession or
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whatever the Gypsy people you know I
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hate them and he was ready to kill them
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and second everybody but yet but that's
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if that's going to be where they're
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going to go with the story there's a
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bunch of other stuff there that doesn't
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contribute to that and and I don't like
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i said i think the things that I like
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the best are the things that aren't
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actually contributing to the story and
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that works against my estimation of his
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overall story
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John you're right you're in digman
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wrapped in a riddle is true and it was
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the story is the story of how he becomes
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the man in the framing story the right
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so it's not yet it's stories like him
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tracking down who killed his parents
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that's what contributed to making him
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the character that he is he's not he's
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not really getting any closer to be the
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guy that I disagree with that I don't
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know my vision of the guy in the framing
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story is that he's much older than the
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guy in the regular story so I don't know
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maybe he is there no no it's supposed to
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be like 34 is yeah he's they say that
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he's he he yeah he said he's actually
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surprisingly gotta lose all of his magic
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powers and all this physical ability in
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a very short time they have one bright
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but does he lose it though that's the
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question right because he is just acting
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or is he we don't know does he lose it
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or lose faith
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I mean that's the real question right
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because he gets beaten up at one point
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but it doesn't matter whether he's
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allowing that to happen yeah but it does
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he let i think i do i read it into it
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that he allowed that to happen because
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he was a you know trying to keep he's
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hiding from something we don't know what
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well I i read that as him screwing up
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legitimately because he and I grace for
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over one was saying they're about lack
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of faith that you know they're so
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there's clearly something has shaken him
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to my reading because you know clearly
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the whole twist there at the end is that
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bast hire these guys right to come in
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try and trick him into being him all his
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old self again and it didn't work so you
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know you can certainly make the argument
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that he's he's doing this and all
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putting on a show but that that and
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maybe that you know lives up to his epic
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nature oh I knew I knew you were trying
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to trick me best so I played against you
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right but it felt a little too genuine
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to me the way that he starts to do
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something right and then screws up even
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like figuring out he's like martial arts
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moves that's that's what he would do if
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he was faking it but no I don't know
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I've his entire his entire frame of
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reference for me and these in this
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framing story just he feels broken every
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scene you read about him in the in the
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framing story I mean it's like his hair
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is dulled and he just has sort of a you
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know a hunch when he works and you can
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still sort of get the the spark of where
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what he used to be when he's telling me
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stories but and a general thing like you
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you look at him virtually look through
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the the way that roughness is describing
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the character and you don't you see a
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shred of the man he used to be at least
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thats that's how i see it it is a sad
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sack that I suppose the counter-argument
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to that is he supposed to be this
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masterful performance to like it's in
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some ways it's like he's piece body into
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the role
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yeah that he was performing they could
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still say that he was faking it and he
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is a sad so yes he's kind of like Bill
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Murray what they could they couldn't
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it's more I think it's more interesting
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if he's not
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yeah so what do we think about whe about
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Jenna who is continues to be kind of
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this weird character that just she's--oh
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she's so she's so great and and yes
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she's so she's also so mysterious and
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she has a mysterious patron and and with
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the exception of the scene where she
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basically where he eavesdrops on her as
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she tells the the girl that she can be a
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prostitute of various kinds or she can
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find another line of work to be in which
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i thought was kind of interesting but I
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i find her problematic because she does
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seem kind of like this flat empty
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oh it's the love of his life but she's
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not that interesting she's I feel like
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maybe because her story is so wrapped up
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in the overarching story we only see her
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in one in one perspective exactly and
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you only see him from which will be a
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very clever reveal but at the same time
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we have two books of her being
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completely flat and boring well so is
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Ambrose Ambrose another flight character
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we have no Ambrose is completely
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one-dimensional he's not even a
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character there's a lot of I complain
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about the characters in the first one
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and it continues to be the case in the
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Second a lot of cookie cutter character
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and even even the main character i still
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think it's still kind of marry soon
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within the way that he's good at
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everything that he tries in an annoying
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way and another issue i'll get to when
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we get to a later section but that's it
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jenna is the flat test because she's so
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one-dimensional but Ambrose is also one
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dimension but we just accept that will
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hear the antagonist is not that
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important he's he's not the main
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antagonist and I keep waiting for
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clothes to kill him and have it
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basically ruin his life
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yeah battle things happen I mean we are
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alluded to the fact they basically gets
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kicked out right well accepted yes he
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actually does it kill Leon von clairol
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yeah yeah I don't know it doesn't
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officially get kicked out he's just
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strongly suggested that he leave so it's
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unclear whether we've seen that or not
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but I mean if he murdered Ambrose and
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like really had to leave like that would
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just differ is a self-defense what you
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it's interesting that all the settings
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that he seems to be put in are ones
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where there's an authority that has
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control over his life he goes right from
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the University where we had a book and a
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half practically of his life being ruled
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by the rules of this university where
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you have to pay tuition and you have to
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do this but you can't do bad magic and
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these people blah blah and it goes right
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into the mayor Harvey process that guy's
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whereas another another place where he's
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not in control he's got to be nice to
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the Kingsley guy are also is gonna hang
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him or kill my keys at the mercy of a
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rule system bronze ring yeah he's all he
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has been defined system in any second if
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you runs afoul of the system it's a
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life-threatening thing either because
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he's gonna be poor and destitute out on
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the street and out of the university or
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biggest are just gonna hang them because
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the guys capricious and very powerful
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and then he goes into the Adem same
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situation should we kill them should be
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always at the mercy of will train him
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and ven killing right
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didn't see that one coming he's always
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unfair whatever every place he goes it's
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like school program where someone else
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it does it does have that IDC assertive
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feeling to it though doesn't it where he
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wanders around from place to place in
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there you know I the odyssey is a little
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like the original anthology series this
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myth like and now there will be some
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adventures here for a while and then he
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will move on but boring bureaucratic
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because it's like a rule principle is
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managing this the King's gonna hang your
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you didn't follow the right rules for
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these ninja people's it's the bureau and
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kisses the Cyclops have a very clear set
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of rules roddis on the door to the
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Cyclops's cave it said you know
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employees must hand wash hands before
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they return to work and you know all
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that sort of thing right there ass ring
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without the event the LED ring for the
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Cyclops would ring and you
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yeah exactly so can I talk about women
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I don't know why Ren doesn't bring this
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up because she's supposed to be the
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female representative but I continued
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date especially in fact happen
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yeah I haven't had a chance to talk
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about the women you to talk right also
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so artists artists of the sex part of
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the women
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in this book gets to have guests to have
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sex with the sexy supernatural being in
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the universe is at a time
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Maria and who teaches him the ways of
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players right we don't know and a ninja
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warrior woman who mixes casual
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commitment free sex in with her training
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and who if you knock her up won't be on
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you for any responsibility because she
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doesn't believe you had anything to do
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with that baby
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well that's her closer this is yeah this
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is that what you Larry Ultimate Male and
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the sex fantasy book where all your
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desires will be fulfilled in multiple
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possible ways you have your main
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leverages you have your sex goddess you
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have your warrior woman is just there
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for casual sex now for fun
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well we did go eighteen hundred pages
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with him being a virgin
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I know but like it's just ridiculous
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like it I its juvenile it's silly its
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movement I'll that the female characters
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are it's it's a parody of itself I don't
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know if he meant it to be a parody but
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like can you add and I got so so this is
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this is my theory on on women and in
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general the the way that the killer
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chronicles are lined up is that because
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it is a story of both and the way he is
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going it's very much I feel like every
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single character and this includes
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Ambrose antenna and everybody else is
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seen through his eyes and as such is
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told through the perspective of him at
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that point I feel like I'm and I may be
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terribly wrong but I feel like the
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reason why didn't it comes across as
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boring the reason why Ambrose comes
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across as one-dimensional because we're
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only seeing both perspective at the age
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that he's at and hopefully when we get
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into the third book i'm crossing my
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fingers that things become more
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three-dimensional but it's the older guy
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telling the story that I brought this up
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in the first podcast like I was in on
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that theory but it's the older one
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telling story its not I know what you're
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saying like what is he telling it from
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like this is what I thought when I was
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18 and I was an idiot and what we don't
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have a counterexample right because
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they're there are no women in the
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framing story really right
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no I mean it's well any have em and
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that's the other part that that's the
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part we see through chroniclers eyes
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right we have we have no I idea of how
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we treat women how women are described
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there's no baseline we only have the the
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past narrative quote relating the
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stories of women so
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but if you were telling the story when
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you were 16 wouldn't you be saying about
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boys I was such an idiot a 16 here's
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what I thought about x y&z but he never
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does that
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well I don't know I feel like there's a
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fair amount of I was an idiot overlaid
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in a lot of this story jumped off a roof
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right but that's what he doesn't say
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that about the women he doesn't say all
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night long for dinner and she was so
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wonderful you know he doesn't have that
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contrast that we do have one at least
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one Orie who I think is one you know a
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female character that's actually not a
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mite yeah some i will develop a question
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that one right but I'm saying like she's
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not she's not a sex object
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she's not you know I you serious flow
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I think she's got interesting there's a
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there's a story there is a story behind
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the only one that's not available for
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sex is the mentally handicapped one
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because him being sexually attracted
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there would be too creepy
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I don't know if she's mentally
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handicapped well you know I mean I think
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your brain is broken
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yeah but she I assume she's a neighbor
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who went into yahoo and that was that
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was my just clearly not so it's not
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appropriate for couples to be telling us
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that love who I caught a glimpse of her
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leg in this sexy drag that she was
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wearing up from the sewers you know it's
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not but every other every other woman we
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hear that about
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he sets up his friend for one of them
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know to be yeah there's music there's a
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couple other girls in the series you
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love any girl who he who isn't described
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in terms of how they are attractive to
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the male's accepted because except the
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grill there's the there's the other girl
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got a feeling she's always always
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describe how beautiful she is and how
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are ya tractor dark Debbie same deal
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very attractive sexy girl was flirting
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over their desk arguing over money
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Dennis certainly like that's that's the
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thing with coats
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I don't know I thought is it just a
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hound dog what can you say what I feel
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like it's flirting all in different ways
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though because i wouldn't call i
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wouldn't call the Fela flirting the same
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on the same level as the Debbie flirting
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or on the same level as the ferroli
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including every possible type of
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learning well but I'm just saying the
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the fact that they're different like you
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read you read juvenile books bye bye
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guys who are you know clearly a little
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bit sex craved or putting funneling us
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it's an obsession into that and you get
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all the female
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it wasn't there were no female
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characters intelligent but yeah I'm just
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saying like when you read it when you
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read a book by an author who is clearly
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a little sex-crazed all of the women
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come across the exact same way so it's
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all like all of all the women you know
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our sexy for this exact same reason you
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always hear legs come up benefiting
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robert jordan yes Robert Jordan is a
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perfect example if you want an author
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who is terrible at women robert jordan
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terry terry goodkind is another perfect
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example of this where it's just to all
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of the all of the women have very
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similar yeah all the women have very
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similarly descriptive characteristics
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and the thing that I find interesting
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about this is yes Dana is completely
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wonder she's one-dimensional she's
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two-dimensional she's floating and
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whatever but could both says hey that he
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puts her up on a pedestal at the very
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beginning with a book he says this is
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the girl that was completely unreachable
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and this is why and it wasn't like he
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doesn't go just she's unreachable
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because she's pretty
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it's very much like this she is this
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unknowable object and literally
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unreachable
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yes effort for months at a time doesn't
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it cellphone store like magic magic
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cellphone have magic and they can't have
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magic phones he's gonna he's gonna
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artifice 18 I think you can make one in
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the fishery in about a month right now
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she's writing her own Queen Killer
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chronicles yeah exactly
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well I fascinating i would be relaxed
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that's one of the things that word cloud
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my thought was a really funny theory
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which is that he is obsessed with
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finding the champion and the charians
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hey opposition is this other group that
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is the mirror your idea mirror so what
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so what if she's obsessed with finding
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me a mirror and they're working like the
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opposite side of the same case this
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entire time and different did anyone
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assumed that her her patron was one of
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the Chandra and I mean oh yeah kind of
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more ideas maybe the guy he's playing
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the board game with two yeah yeah
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mm but who knows I mean that could be
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the that's just a lot of the economy of
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characters talking there which is her
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perhaps we've seen her patron and we
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already know who he is it was the guy
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who is playing chess with i'm going to
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call cheat on that because that
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character like you have to put in
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something that makes a suspected that
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guy was a hundred percent straight-up
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he's especially is a good guy and
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and that's what makes me suspect its
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batteries you know what I mean he's yeah
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it doesn't see it doesn't seem like that
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kind of book doesn't seem like the kind
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of book worries like pulling like that's
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like a new uniforms room murder where
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you make like the one guy who didn't
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expect it's the priest has been friendly
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the whole time lots of cheap move you
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know what I mean yeah I mean I feel like
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there are no new characters introduced
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this book all the time that i don't i
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feel like it's definitely somebody we've
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heard of before but I don't I don't
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necessarily feel like if somebody yeah
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somebody could both knows well one of
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the Chandra and could be absolutely be
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the case i love that though I i do love
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the fact that there is this super scary
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band of supernatural creatures where if
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you if you speak about them a little too
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much they will come and kill you because
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they don't want to be known as the bad
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of them for not being known really well
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what was your reason to kill everybody
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well because everything kill everybody
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so they just wiped off the map so nobody
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even associated oh my god those people
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died I don't know who did it we're
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talking again
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I mean the whole book is surrounded
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around the the concept of names and
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stories and that kind of so it makes
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searching for fairy tales right like
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interesting is our date but they accept
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world you've got to have limits right
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you've got to have you've got to have
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the high-end that that's not actually
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going to happen is beyond the pale
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yeah exactly so do we like this book
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actually i cani cani list of all the
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things i like about it but i do like a
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bunch of things i'm not at all right
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let's do that
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whoo not real genius Jason I like the
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women characters that I like the the the
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shipwreck
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yeah it's resetting shipwrecked not so I
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like almost all the many settings that
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they put everything in the little stuff
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like a dragon hunt in the last one right
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which is well i didn't i didn't like
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that but the dragon the Severn I like
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that whole setup that was fun them in
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we left it before it got to be boring or
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stupid that the Adem and admir and Tempe
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and the whole talking with gestures and
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hit that character that character in
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characters he was interesting and
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strange and in the beginning you thought
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he was quite mysterious guy but he gets
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back to the village realize he's just
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kind of like a lowly runt of the litter
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he did I like those guys like that
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culture that was a funny little story
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I like the thing in the tree that was a
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good idea that thing that knows all
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possible yeah and tries to cause the
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most harm based on info that's it like
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all these things are our basis of you
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can imagine like yours best fantasy and
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science fiction having a little stories
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in each one of these settings they'd all
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be good you know the tree I just for a
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second I what I love about the tree is
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that it is completely consistent with
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the the kind of many worlds idea that
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that the tree sees all the possible
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things and knows that if it says certain
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words those only appear in this eventual
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outcome so it says those words which is
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just wow what a crazy idea and you can
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see why nobody would want to listen to
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it and why it would be really evil
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anybody in the face around but even
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they're scared of it's like you don't
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even don't even go there don't even talk
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don't do not engage with that thing
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whose name I can't pronounce right
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don't talk to the tree and then there's
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also the tree and terms of the parallels
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the tree with the ATM where there's the
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tree that has the like the sword will
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stand ya ya crazy so all those little
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settings i like the sword where you have
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to memorize the entire history out yes
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every prior owner there's so many that's
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that's what it makes you want to read
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these books ever there's so many those
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little touches a good sorry Bob rich so
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many little things in there it's just
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they do not hold together into a
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cohesive hold it's a story that i think
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is going to be successful but all little
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pieces I like chronicles you know it's
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like it's like a good book exploded and
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these are the pieces and I particularly
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think Martin Martin wow this is little
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piece like this one shiny boy but you
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have deployed of the book is that he is
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telling how he became a legend so he's
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telling all these little stories because
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all these little stories are how legends
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are you know that's how our culture
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deals with the story search the group of
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stories that stand alone
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and they're super cool and then they get
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you know exaggerated throughout the time
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and then suddenly he is all-powerful
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when he's really just a guy who's kind
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of collapsing under the pressure of the
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legend that he kind of helped create and
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the people who don't know how you
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reproduce that i can draw the line on
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that when I was like come on people
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I think everyone figures out of
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reproduction marks if you don't figure
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out a reproduction works
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you are not successful as a society as a
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you figured you did something people
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figure out I'm sorry homunculus it's a
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it's a fantasy book maybe it doesn't
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work that way mrs. Jarrow i love the
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fact though that they're very insistent
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on it because it does it just puts that
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point that you need to maybe reexamine
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your maybe it will wait a second is that
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just my culture who thinks that I mean
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obviously not but it's such a funny
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moment of like but no yourself only
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there were some experiment we could run
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to you yes well maybe we had the means
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the scientific method to figure out this
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eternal mystery but they don't they live
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they live in the rocks they don't have
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any of value they live in rocks or was
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it was exciting to hear it was like man
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mommies or something i forget what the
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slang term was for you believe in it was
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a mister mister mom's you believe
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Michael Michael Keaton's you believe it
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oh so we purchased second miss what else
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what else John anything hot and i think
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that's it for all the things that i like
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that it be
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yeah but that's basically no but I i
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agree with you completely that the the
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thing as much as i mock these
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regressions inside digressions lot of
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the aggressions were really fun and and
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and rich and and enjoyable on the on
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their own pull apart even if the larger
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thing I'm will wait wait a second are we
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ever gonna get back to all this other
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stuff that's going on where you want to
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do you want to get back yeah just hang
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out here and can't wait till we see den
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no yeah that's where it's all unrequited
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an awkward I'd forgotten she exists and
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now we're back and looking for her and
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Severn loan it's like just come come on
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tell me who you're but what who your
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patron is no answer
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he's got no la now got like a suppliant
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I cannot tell you who my patron is oh
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but I love you but but no but I can't
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tell you because the polygonal your
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understatement
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now I have to go kill a dragon
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and I could take the dragon yeah my
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absolute favorite parts about this book
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are well two things 1i love the fact
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that these are you know to almost
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thousand-page books and what this one is
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a thousand pages i think we're 994 pages
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that don't feel like thousand-page books
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i read each of these i read them
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back-to-back because I happened to pick
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up a name of the wind after wise man's
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fear would come out and I read those
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back-to-back in two days just because no
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just the clothes
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yes i know it say I didn't have day
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three and it drove me insane
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we're at a tavern I was at the tavern of
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my apple pie and cider the tavern of my
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room I think you know what's what's most
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impressive about that though really is
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the amount of mocking before you read
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yes when when other people are reading
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those books just just that I i was i was
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mocking these books i was mocking these
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books because dan was rereading and
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gloating does not become you mr. know i
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was curious I was like oh yeah well i
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was looking over her shoulder it's like
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oh weird magic words and they're
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traveling i have read this but are there
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more true so yeah you should have
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continued marketing business for all
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valid mocks me they are they are valid
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marks but you know what it's an
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incredibly well-written book and it's
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not it is not incredibly well-written
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yes yes yes I was John that's what's
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giving you coming back if anything it's
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the writing I mean in the parts that you
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enjoy it was poorly written and when I
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don't know probably was party wouldn't
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hold together structure of the sentences
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and stuff like that like it's competent
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and the idiosyncrasies are charming
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instead of irritating for the most part
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but i think we call that good writing
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yeah I you know what I'm not saying it's
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Hemingway I'm just saying it's you know
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it's not having what if you can write a
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thousand-page book if it was poorly Rand
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and you wouldn't be coming back but this
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is this is the opposite of him it was
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not Cormac McCarthy yeah you can keep if
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you can keep me occupied for an entire
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day for a thousand-page book and make it
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feel like I've only read two hundred
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pages i count that is good ring it's
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it's a book limbus yes it's a paper and
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i will give you that it is paige Turner
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it's not citizen calibre page for
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everything ok kindle clicker also i mean
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i respect you that I really really
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respect his ability to work
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music into this and to work like 40
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Lian's i am back dialogue and all of
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that it's it's really really interesting
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to see those those fields and those sort
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of things interweaving and the music
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stuff i mean coming from a classical
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music background and reading these books
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it's really really touching some of the
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things in here
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strike right at the core of people like
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especially me like as a musician I'm
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like yep i completely identify with what
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you're talking about
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and the way you're saying this is
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exactly how i feel and it's you know you
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don't find that all that often where
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someone can capture passion accurately
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on the page and I really that was really
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impressive i'm still going with my
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exploding book theory because it's like
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for example that little piece that piece
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of the music you know I recognize that
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as it was a good party even though i'm
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not a musical person as as a good part
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of the book there are many aspects of
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this that are exemplary I just don't
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think they all fit together into an
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overall really good book really good
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story to pay trying to because i love
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little nuggets and it's like I'm it's
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like a video game with is really cool
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you know maybe really cool boss battles
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are really cool levels here and there
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and there's lots of director in between
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when you're done it doesn't hold up and
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is like so as a cohesive whole story so
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even though I keep wanting to go through
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but I want to get to the night next
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interesting nugget I keep turning the
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pages and each of those each of those
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nuggets is good and they're good aspects
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of it i don't think i like the mix is
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right i don't think the formula don't
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think he's got it down yet
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you know you're a rat you're a rat in a
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maze John now looking for that next
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piece of GMO you know they're good
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pieces of cheese here and there you know
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exploded off of the large wheel of
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cheese most of its amazed and it is not
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built like I could be sorely
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it's going to build up to something in
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book 3 and something will happen but if
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it doesn't then i will agree with John
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explanation book 3 will be disappointed
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have an optimist and is optimist aren't
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they have over at the two brothers john
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as much stuff as it contains exactly
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process is a very good storyteller and I
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take that long to read them is a good
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short story teller don't have a good
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novelist that's a good short stories in
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about it was it's the first series i've
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storytelling and I think you know that's
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a subject that happens we really
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that sort of meta aspect of well what is
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a fantasy legend right we have so many
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books that are about these
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larger-than-life heroes and the
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adventures they go on and so it's kind
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of interesting to have them be you know
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that flipped on their head to a certain
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extent and be like yes they're all these
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stories but we are hearing them through
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this person's point of view and for you
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know this person basically appears to be
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you know a bartender
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yeah there's some there's some
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interesting contradiction is going you
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know on an errand and again like Scott I
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building to an end here then it
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hopefully it pays off on all the stuff
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that we've sort of had put out there and
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I I'd certainly and enjoyed the first
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two and look forward to reading the
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third one
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Jason how do you feel about these books
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aah SI not a regular fantasy writer you
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know I i enjoyed them
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legend in his own way and so there may
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be some level of not necessarily
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unreliability but he chooses the stories
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he tells and and I think that's
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interesting i like the richness of the
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world and the fact that he does seem to
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be planting seeds of of stuff early on
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that in hindsight or if you go and read
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a blog on the internet you can see he
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book in the first book and so it's
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internally consistent which I like I
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are there are times when I thought yes
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the individual moments hold together
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better than the book as a whole and that
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it's a little bit you know chamblee and
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and rambly and and and messy and it
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would make me laugh saying that were
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five digression is down but uh but that
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I i do think that he's got a you know
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he's got a lot of skill on display and
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my concern though is is that job I
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worried that John may be right i think
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i've got some hope that that this will
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come off but it is you know the
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University stuff does feel like we we we
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already have a lot of that we're getting
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it again and you know i'm not entirely
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sure if the if the overarching story is
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maybe a little too messy and not
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progressing as fast as maybe I prefer
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but you know i'm enjoying the moments
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and I'm enjoying the richness of it and
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so I'm willing to take the ride even if
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if it ever got some concerns about
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about some of the details so you know I
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i agree with everybody everybody's right
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god bless us everyone
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now I think we all agree they were all
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when the third book comes out we'll all
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read it like even though i said all
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these bad things about it like it keep I
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keeps me reading because i want those
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fun little parts and I'm not offended by
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him too i just think alike but jason
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said is true i think he has lots of raw
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talent he just doesn't know how to
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harness it yet in my opinion it doesn't
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mean that the book is not worth reading
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talent and these things these little
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things that he's made I can envision a
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better book than what he's written if he
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could have that the same town focused
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more into into a hole like he hasn't
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quite figured that out yet i think i
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think that he is trying to tell a
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destroyed story though and that's that's
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what i have been doing that I know I
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know what you're saying I know the thing
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you're describing I wish I could
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remember there was some story right
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there is very similar to this of a guy
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telling about legend of itself with that
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going forward and back and maybe there's
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been several of them that's why i can't
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remember it
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I if he's going for that he could pull
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that off better than he's doing here
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I i'm not sure i'd rather read that
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story then a different one with the same
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guy but like it's I I just think he's
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got a lot of raw talent and it's the
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farthest first books like this first in
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a second book
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yeah I think that kind of shows and
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again being a big Stephen King fan he's
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I he's the author was most books that I
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think about every single thing Steven
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can get similar problems he was a young
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author where he had some raw talent but
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he was just kind of a mess right and it
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took just years and years and many many
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books for him to just figure it out and
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push it together and I get that vibe i
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think Patrick Rothfuss is better in his
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first two novels and Stephen King was in
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his first you know several of them so
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he's got stuff I have to say John I I'm
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sorry to do this it's not as if Stephen
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way better
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stylistically as a rather than early
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books true but Stephen King does get his
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now together around i like i like
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stephen king but what what his books
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lack that I think I see in the patrick
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style i think that Stephen King has
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but his voice sounds the same in every
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book and
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rothfuss bring some stuff to the table
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stephen king is very good at
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constructing his books in a way that I'm
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mostly what I'm getting at is stephen
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kingdom but the book bag of bones which
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writing where he actually finally had a
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display and ruthless does have more
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writing and he finally got a little bit
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nobody read and then afterwards you sort
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formula and you know what you're gonna
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get when you read one of his books but
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it's solid it's every one of his stories
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constructed solidly almost like a
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Hollywood movie only ten times longer
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now write it up right all right well
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this is gonna be the longest book club
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thank you bring it back around I do
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reading either of these series that's
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good that's our new bra write books
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your life back now we have a we should
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have our podcast later about you know
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books we regret like oh yeah that's on
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the left is one of those that's why
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retroactively Lee regret reading
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everything business last book just is
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podcast that is books authors or series
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that we regret or refused to read it
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hate oh i watch that on CBS 150 minutes
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a CSI hate ya SI hay
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alright well we've covered 2,000 pages
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minutes so until next time on the book
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club where our topic will be if you'd
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ready player one not we'll share some
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pages long shirt no very short quick
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read sure to be a lot to talk about
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about that and then we'll cart back in
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what you're reading as well because we
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yeah I'm in the midst I know it's hard
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guy to read through that he summarizes
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it for you know he sounds like this
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yes it's damned or in fact I the Dan
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before I go to bed
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it pays great guys mm that's why you
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have no time
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that's why I have a job yeah alright so
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until we return with the another edition
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of the book club i would like to thank
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my guest John siracusa thank you for
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being here and talking about the good
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and the bad of patrick rothfuss very
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welcome
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ren called well thank you for being here
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and talking about 2,000 pages worth of
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fantasy it's always a pleasure
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Scott mcnoltey i'm glad you were here to
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provide your traditional wit and
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perspective
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well thank you i feel like this was a
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good podcast that exploded
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Dan Morgan thank you for being here as
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you are on practically every part make
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it sound like I don't have a life no
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your consistency reading where a
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consistent bandit you're too busy that
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is the name of my marbles consistent too
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alright until next time I Jason Snelling
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for the uncomfortable thanks for
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reading is fundamental stand school
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