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63: Like a Good Book Exploded

 

00:00:06   the incomparable contest number 60 every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/6">TS</a>]

00:00:10   october twenty LM welcome back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/10">TS</a>]

00:00:16   uncomfortable podcast i am your host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/16">TS</a>]

00:00:17   Jason L we're in the midst of talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/17">TS</a>]

00:00:20   about gigantic fantasy novels in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   previous podcast we talked about George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23   RR Martin's latest dance with dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   and in this edition we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/25">TS</a>]

00:00:28   continue our massive fantasy tome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/28">TS</a>]

00:00:29   discussion with Patrick Rafa's new book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/29">TS</a>]

00:00:32   The Wise Man's Fear joining me on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/32">TS</a>]

00:00:36   podcast as always are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   dan morgan serenity Caldwell John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   siracusa and Scott McNulty now i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/40">TS</a>]

00:00:43   say that the wise man's fear is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   sequel to the name of the wind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/45">TS</a>]

00:00:48   we've covered in episode number 29 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   the uncomfortable titled magic fridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/50">TS</a>]

00:00:53   however I wasn't actually on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/53">TS</a>]

00:00:54   podcast because at the time I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57   know the name of the wind illustration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   it's george mr. but I thought they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   the wind Mariah comments concerns anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   they the the sequel also a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   thousand-page fantasy novel The Wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10   Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   read that one too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   i I'm fully up to date on the both saga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/73">TS</a>]

00:01:19   as it were can't even pronounce his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   that's pretty good but you read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   first one and the second one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   yes I have read I've read them I've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   them both i read the first one so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/86">TS</a>]

00:01:27   could listen to my own podcast so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   supposedly supposedly there is only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   that's really yeah I i kept I kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/93">TS</a>]

00:01:36   waiting for the kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   killer chronicles day 3 and at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/98">TS</a>]

00:01:39   of book 3 is like wow I thought I told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/99">TS</a>]

00:01:42   you this would only go three days but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/102">TS</a>]

00:01:43   think we're over time so let's just come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   back and finish it booked for no I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   my my first question for everybody is do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   you think that book 3 will finish the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   past or are we going to get some present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   our is the framing story going to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   the primary story at the end of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   this run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/120">TS</a>]

00:02:01   well think of how think about it done so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   far like what's the overall story arc of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   these supposed three books it's like bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   guys killed his parents and I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   it's going to be like he comes of age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/131">TS</a>]

00:02:12   and has some sort of conflict with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   bad guys to kill his parents but we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/134">TS</a>]

00:02:15   2,000 pages and what does he really done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   to progress in that story arc well get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   bad guys to kill his parents we got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   out of college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/142">TS</a>]

00:02:23   yeah he was called you learn how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   magic fridge and he kind of learned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/145">TS</a>]

00:02:28   little bit of magic stuff and he figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   out the guys who killed his parents are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/150">TS</a>]

00:02:31   real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/151">TS</a>]

00:02:32   that's good that's a step out and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/152">TS</a>]

00:02:33   basically is that it exists and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/153">TS</a>]

00:02:36   they're bad but they're only here only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/156">TS</a>]

00:02:37   figured out they exist because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   proving the existence of some guys to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   fought them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/161">TS</a>]

00:02:42   I love that piece that's it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44   like discovering exoplanets by seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/164">TS</a>]

00:02:45   the gravitational shifts in like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   stars or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/167">TS</a>]

00:02:48   well he likes the you know he's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/168">TS</a>]

00:02:50   on the guy but seriously 2,000 pages he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/170">TS</a>]

00:02:53   has not made a really significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/173">TS</a>]

00:02:56   progress in his quest to avenge the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   death of his parents and fight like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   time was spent a lot of time doing other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   things two thousand pages with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   things but so what I say is he gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   finish up or we can have time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/186">TS</a>]

00:03:07   think he's gonna have time to just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   through the main story arc in book 3 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/189">TS</a>]

00:03:10   let alone to have like present-day stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   where the old John it turns out he never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   actually found who killed his parents he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   just he just gave up and working about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   working apartment have a basic story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   then where do you go to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   present-day stop rafas is not afraid as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   an author to just skip over stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   when he there was a shipwreck at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   trial the trial was really exactly yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   and then what happened yeah no I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/211">TS</a>]

00:03:34   it's good i think it's great and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/214">TS</a>]

00:03:35   that's how he can end it in three books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   because he'll just say okay and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   bunch of stuff happened that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   really interesting but I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/221">TS</a>]

00:03:41   tell you about it and here's the climate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   and I kept those guys keep my parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/224">TS</a>]

00:03:45   that felt good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46   what was kind of cool about this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   that we do start to see the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   things about clothes that that make him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   such a legendary figure right we see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   doing all this stuff that nobody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   has done you know I see him going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   that crazy fairy realm we see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/238">TS</a>]

00:03:59   training with the warrior guys we seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/239">TS</a>]

00:04:02   like you know murder that entire caravan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   basically and these are all things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/244">TS</a>]

00:04:06   then become stories of him and we we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   start to realize that some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/248">TS</a>]

00:04:09   stories are inflated and out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/249">TS</a>]

00:04:10   proportion I'd that's my favorite part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   of it honestly is hearing is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/252">TS</a>]

00:04:15   present framing story when the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   the bar arguing about like the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/257">TS</a>]

00:04:20   about clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/260">TS</a>]

00:04:21   it is I find that fascinating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   little bit of metafiction it's like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/263">TS</a>]

00:04:24   these world you know these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25   are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   thing about this legendary figure oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   he was 20 feet tall no sword was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   thing or whatever I kind of enjoyed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/272">TS</a>]

00:04:33   yeah I you know it's for me that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/273">TS</a>]

00:04:37   strange thing is that is that not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   he is bold enough to say well suffice it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/279">TS</a>]

00:04:42   to say there was a shipwreck and i ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/282">TS</a>]

00:04:44   up naked penny listen town right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   that's kind of funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/286">TS</a>]

00:04:47   the weird thing to me is there are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/287">TS</a>]

00:04:51   things that feel like digressions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   they're probably important to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   overall story but still at one point so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/294">TS</a>]

00:04:59   i think i'm watching a story of a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   coming of age and learning things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/301">TS</a>]

00:05:02   University and then at one point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   like well we're gonna take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/304">TS</a>]

00:05:05   diversion and you're going to go to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   other town where there's a guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/307">TS</a>]

00:05:10   kind of like a king but he's not a king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   and you're gonna be in you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/312">TS</a>]

00:05:13   be in his service so you go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   there's this whole digression I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/315">TS</a>]

00:05:16   learning how to play a game and out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   all the coins me and I'm going to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   the guy and I'm gonna befriend him like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   this is a strange digression and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   the King says I'm gonna send you on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/324">TS</a>]

00:05:25   it's like wait now we're in a digression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/325">TS</a>]

00:05:26   inside the digression and we're not done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/326">TS</a>]

00:05:30   yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/330">TS</a>]

00:05:30   and then we are on the mission there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   the the he goes into the fairy realm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   now what it's like with three what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   inside the the round parentheses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   then inside the square bat brackets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   then inside the curly brackets right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   it's like how deep in its its brackets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   all the way down Jason yeah wise man's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   inception evidence that it's it's framed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   in this story the framing students with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/350">TS</a>]

00:05:53   you right after the framing stories that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   were four levels and it's in a book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   you're reading in the story of your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   what so so that's the part that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   the part that killed me is like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03   bold enough to say i'm not going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   about the trial I'm not gonna talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/365">TS</a>]

00:06:06   the shipwreck and yet something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   like you're going to meet the guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   learn about the court and often but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   think it's far east and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   you're going to go on a mission and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/374">TS</a>]

00:06:15   you're going to meet new people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   you're gonna have adventures with him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   the trees and learn with this guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   got martial arts skills and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   going to go to fairyland have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   very sex for a while then you'll come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   back it's like you know wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   and they don't have sex with ninjas but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   i think that the i think i made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   point in our the podcast about the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   book is that I think the book is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   about storytelling right so and can both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   isn't building his own legend so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   and I have to we have to you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   kind of a shaggy dog story right where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   he's just kind of popped around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   doing all these kinds of crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   and the real story is the framing story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   that isn't really much of a story but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   he's telling his own story and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/411">TS</a>]

00:06:54   so he's telling the story of how he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/414">TS</a>]

00:06:55   to where he is but dude can we actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   trust what he's saying I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   that's a whole part i agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/419">TS</a>]

00:07:00   Scotland and that's fascinating i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   if you've ever known somebody who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/422">TS</a>]

00:07:03   really great it like likes it now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   sit down in a bar and have a drink with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/425">TS</a>]

00:07:06   them and they tell like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   engrossing stories other life I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/428">TS</a>]

00:07:09   it I've met a couple people over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   years were just like it's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/431">TS</a>]

00:07:12   you just always want to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   happened after that right and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/434">TS</a>]

00:07:15   that that clothes very much that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/435">TS</a>]

00:07:18   kind of figure where it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   you're just kinda hooked on what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   telling you and and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/442">TS</a>]

00:07:26   necessarily you know to a certain extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/446">TS</a>]

00:07:27   maybe you want your wonder where it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   all goes like you know overall but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32   the same time you're just too engrossed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/452">TS</a>]

00:07:33   in these stories to necessarily care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   immediately maybe at the end you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   can't wait well what is the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/457">TS</a>]

00:07:38   that but i think i think there's a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   when you're reading it and you're in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/460">TS</a>]

00:07:41   where it's just it is very engrossing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   let's recall how this story begins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/463">TS</a>]

00:07:46   though allowed his book begins around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/466">TS</a>]

00:07:47   this book begins when I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   many it is because we're all reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/468">TS</a>]

00:07:49   electronically but it seems like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/469">TS</a>]

00:07:52   big hunk of pages where it's like high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   drinks at hog works and he has no money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   and then is often the distance and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   borrowing money from debbie and Ambrose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   is on his case because Ambrose is me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   that went on for a long time like Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   did we do a whole like look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   stuff but they gonna go somewhere so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/486">TS</a>]

00:08:07   was relieved when days are finally let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10   do something different they repeated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/490">TS</a>]

00:08:11   every single thing from the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   within the first year you wanted 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   then finally that I had to invent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/495">TS</a>]

00:08:16   something yeah like I was given a poison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/496">TS</a>]

00:08:19   and i had to get my my tuition and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   was large and I fucking say what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/501">TS</a>]

00:08:24   will about the University stuff but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   all it's all written so enjoy i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   that I don't mind it so much and despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/508">TS</a>]

00:08:31   any i'm a sucker for university stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   so yeah it's it's repetitive and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   boring but it's fun and there's music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   and and you get to I feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   learning more about the world in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   well we learned about that in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/521">TS</a>]

00:08:42   book though that's why i was happy when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   he left and when he went through all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/524">TS</a>]

00:08:45   these digressions i found the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   digressions much more interesting then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   university life even though as Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   points out they seem to go nowhere haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   i like each aggression was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/533">TS</a>]

00:08:56   that's a cool little setting and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   okay i was another little setting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/537">TS</a>]

00:08:58   the ferry sex with blonde but even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   the very sex they had the thing to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   in the tree which is interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   then we're on to something else and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/543">TS</a>]

00:09:04   story about the moon and and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/544">TS</a>]

00:09:07   before we go any further I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/547">TS</a>]

00:09:08   recommend highly chill Walton who wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   a book that i just read that i liked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/550">TS</a>]

00:09:11   lot Joe Walton the author Welsh author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/551">TS</a>]

00:09:15   is blogging a reread analysis of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/555">TS</a>]

00:09:19   books on tor.com and it's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/559">TS</a>]

00:09:23   actually because it sounds like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   are lots and lots of things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   really embedded in this story in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   first book and the second one apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   rafas wrote all these books is first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   draft before we went back so we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   go rewrite so he knows so this it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   like he's making it up as he goes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   their stuff in there and and it blew my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   mind reading the blog post because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   they're there is the story that's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   told here in a lot of detail like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   one that really blew me away is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/588">TS</a>]

00:09:51   in the second book when he said that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   Court of the mire and the mire it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   has married the loculus lady and she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/595">TS</a>]

00:10:01   up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/601">TS</a>]

00:10:01   she hates um whatever the demo room yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/601">TS</a>]

00:10:05   the gypsies the edema ruh which which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   both as a member of and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   reasons is because her cousin sister on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/610">TS</a>]

00:10:15   something ran off and married one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   totally closed mother his mother in yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   and in fact if you look at the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/621">TS</a>]

00:10:22   book one of the songs the song that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   mother yells at his father for singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   ends with a rhyme that at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/627">TS</a>]

00:10:31   looked like she was saying that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/631">TS</a>]

00:10:34   lacked less and it turns out that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   the name of the lattice character who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   his mother's real name and so I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   that the fact that it upon scrutiny this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/641">TS</a>]

00:10:45   story actually has more going on than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   you'd think because I you know you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   the sense of that I notice of it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   when he's in Fairyland everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   fullerene says is in rhymed couplets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/654">TS</a>]

00:10:58   even though it's not written as verse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   she speaks in verse so you have to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/659">TS</a>]

00:11:02   of read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/662">TS</a>]

00:11:03   out loud and figure out that that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/663">TS</a>]

00:11:04   she's doing lots of nice touches like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   that i think crank up my my estimation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   of this story a lot that it is it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   feel rich even though i am laughing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   my stuff when we're in a digression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   inside aggression inside and aggression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   inside a frame i still don't call that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   good story though that's maybe like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/679">TS</a>]

00:11:22   has interesting it that's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   soap opera plot points where things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/684">TS</a>]

00:11:25   interact now and I wouldn't say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   there's a writing question or conflict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   and and the character that goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   some sort of change and like it i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   don't I mean I like those in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   worlds in those settings and i enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   reading you know about them and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/698">TS</a>]

00:11:39   but in terms of storytelling I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/699">TS</a>]

00:11:42   story like it dipped ability even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   something as big and flabby is Lord of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   the Rings still has an overall story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/706">TS</a>]

00:11:48   ring they got destroyed they have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/708">TS</a>]

00:11:49   big long journey that you know that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/709">TS</a>]

00:11:52   is a bunch of crap in the middle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53   there's still an arc now maybe the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   book will do that but so far it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/715">TS</a>]

00:11:56   two books of treading water pleasant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   treading water in some cases but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   entirely an arc i would argue that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/720">TS</a>]

00:12:03   character changes from book 12 i mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   you look at where he is when he starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/725">TS</a>]

00:12:06   out you know in terms of like we get his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   backstory and then I think the scene the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/728">TS</a>]

00:12:11   scene in that whole book that gave me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/731">TS</a>]

00:12:12   the most sort of like recognition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   this this character change changing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/735">TS</a>]

00:12:16   when he murders that entire caravan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   right like in cold blood essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   right like that's that is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/740">TS</a>]

00:12:23   different guy that like that is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/743">TS</a>]

00:12:24   university studio i'm happy to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   learning stuff just hanging out with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   friends having some drinks playing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   music no and then I murder a whole bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   of people he was always a hothead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   jerk low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/753">TS</a>]

00:12:34   ya know there's a difference between a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   hot-headed jerk and murdering people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   what I don't know I didn't see it out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   character because he was always getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/760">TS</a>]

00:12:41   it under his skin anytime anyone said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   anything about his quote unquote erase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/763">TS</a>]

00:12:44   but really just his profession or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/764">TS</a>]

00:12:47   whatever the Gypsy people you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48   hate them and he was ready to kill them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/768">TS</a>]

00:12:49   and second everybody but yet but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   if that's going to be where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   going to go with the story there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   bunch of other stuff there that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   contribute to that and and I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/776">TS</a>]

00:12:57   i said i think the things that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/777">TS</a>]

00:12:59   the best are the things that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/779">TS</a>]

00:13:00   actually contributing to the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   that works against my estimation of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   overall story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   John you're right you're in digman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/786">TS</a>]

00:13:07   wrapped in a riddle is true and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   the story is the story of how he becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/789">TS</a>]

00:13:13   the man in the framing story the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   so it's not yet it's stories like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17   tracking down who killed his parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   that's what contributed to making him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   the character that he is he's not he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   not really getting any closer to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   guy that I disagree with that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   know my vision of the guy in the framing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/807">TS</a>]

00:13:28   story is that he's much older than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   guy in the regular story so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   maybe he is there no no it's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   be like 34 is yeah he's they say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/814">TS</a>]

00:13:37   he's he he yeah he said he's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   surprisingly gotta lose all of his magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   powers and all this physical ability in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   a very short time they have one bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   but does he lose it though that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   question right because he is just acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   or is he we don't know does he lose it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   or lose faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/831">TS</a>]

00:13:52   I mean that's the real question right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53   because he gets beaten up at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   but it doesn't matter whether he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/835">TS</a>]

00:13:56   allowing that to happen yeah but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   he let i think i do i read it into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/838">TS</a>]

00:14:01   that he allowed that to happen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/841">TS</a>]

00:14:02   he was a you know trying to keep he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   hiding from something we don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   or why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/847">TS</a>]

00:14:08   well I i read that as him screwing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10   legitimately because he and I grace for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/850">TS</a>]

00:14:13   over one was saying they're about lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/853">TS</a>]

00:14:14   of faith that you know they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/854">TS</a>]

00:14:15   there's clearly something has shaken him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   to my reading because you know clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   the whole twist there at the end is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   bast hire these guys right to come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   try and trick him into being him all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/863">TS</a>]

00:14:26   old self again and it didn't work so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/866">TS</a>]

00:14:30   know you can certainly make the argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   that he's he's doing this and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/872">TS</a>]

00:14:33   putting on a show but that that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   maybe that you know lives up to his epic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   nature oh I knew I knew you were trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   to trick me best so I played against you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   right but it felt a little too genuine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   to me the way that he starts to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   something right and then screws up even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   like figuring out he's like martial arts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   moves that's that's what he would do if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   he was faking it but no I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/892">TS</a>]

00:14:53   I've his entire his entire frame of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/893">TS</a>]

00:14:57   reference for me and these in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/897">TS</a>]

00:14:58   framing story just he feels broken every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01   scene you read about him in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   framing story I mean it's like his hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   is dulled and he just has sort of a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   know a hunch when he works and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   still sort of get the the spark of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   what he used to be when he's telling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   stories but and a general thing like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/913">TS</a>]

00:15:16   you look at him virtually look through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/916">TS</a>]

00:15:19   the the way that roughness is describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   the character and you don't you see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23   shred of the man he used to be at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   thats that's how i see it it is a sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28   sack that I suppose the counter-argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   to that is he supposed to be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   masterful performance to like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   some ways it's like he's piece body into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   the role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   yeah that he was performing they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   still say that he was faking it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   is a sad so yes he's kind of like Bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/940">TS</a>]

00:15:41   Murray what they could they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/941">TS</a>]

00:15:44   it's more I think it's more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/944">TS</a>]

00:15:45   if he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/945">TS</a>]

00:15:46   yeah so what do we think about whe about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49   Jenna who is continues to be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   this weird character that just she's--oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   she's so she's so great and and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/953">TS</a>]

00:15:56   she's so she's also so mysterious and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   she has a mysterious patron and and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/958">TS</a>]

00:16:01   the exception of the scene where she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/961">TS</a>]

00:16:02   basically where he eavesdrops on her as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/962">TS</a>]

00:16:05   she tells the the girl that she can be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   prostitute of various kinds or she can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09   find another line of work to be in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   i thought was kind of interesting but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   i find her problematic because she does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   seem kind of like this flat empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   oh it's the love of his life but she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   not that interesting she's I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   maybe because her story is so wrapped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/981">TS</a>]

00:16:25   in the overarching story we only see her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28   in one in one perspective exactly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   you only see him from which will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   very clever reveal but at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   we have two books of her being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/994">TS</a>]

00:16:35   completely flat and boring well so is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   Ambrose Ambrose another flight character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/997">TS</a>]

00:16:38   we have no Ambrose is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   one-dimensional he's not even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:41   character there's a lot of I complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   about the characters in the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:44   and it continues to be the case in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:45   Second a lot of cookie cutter character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   and even even the main character i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   think it's still kind of marry soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   within the way that he's good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:51   everything that he tries in an annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   way and another issue i'll get to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   we get to a later section but that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:58   jenna is the flat test because she's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   one-dimensional but Ambrose is also one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   dimension but we just accept that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   hear the antagonist is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:05   important he's he's not the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   antagonist and I keep waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:08   clothes to kill him and have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   basically ruin his life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   yeah battle things happen I mean we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   alluded to the fact they basically gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   kicked out right well accepted yes he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   actually does it kill Leon von clairol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:22   yeah yeah I don't know it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   officially get kicked out he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:25   strongly suggested that he leave so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   unclear whether we've seen that or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   but I mean if he murdered Ambrose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   like really had to leave like that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:32   just differ is a self-defense what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:35   it's interesting that all the settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   that he seems to be put in are ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:39   where there's an authority that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   control over his life he goes right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:42   the University where we had a book and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44   half practically of his life being ruled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   by the rules of this university where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   you have to pay tuition and you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:49   do this but you can't do bad magic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   these people blah blah and it goes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   into the mayor Harvey process that guy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:55   whereas another another place where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:57   not in control he's got to be nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:58   the Kingsley guy are also is gonna hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   him or kill my keys at the mercy of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:01   rule system bronze ring yeah he's all he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:04   has been defined system in any second if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   you runs afoul of the system it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07   life-threatening thing either because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   he's gonna be poor and destitute out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:10   the street and out of the university or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:11   biggest are just gonna hang them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   the guys capricious and very powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:14   and then he goes into the Adem same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:17   situation should we kill them should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   trained him i don't know like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:20   always at the mercy of will train him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   and ven killing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:25   didn't see that one coming he's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   at the mercy of these systems that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   did invent so and even in the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:32   another situation like this character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:33   goes from one set of I think of it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:36   school like if you are in a school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   system where you have to abide by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   set of rules that you think arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:41   unfair whatever every place he goes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43   like school program where someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45   is in charge of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:46   it does it does have that IDC assertive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   feeling to it though doesn't it where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   wanders around from place to place in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   there you know I the odyssey is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   like the original anthology series this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:57   myth like and now there will be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   adventures here for a while and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:00   will move on but boring bureaucratic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   because it's like a rule principle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   managing this the King's gonna hang your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   you didn't follow the right rules for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   these ninja people's it's the bureau and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   kisses the Cyclops have a very clear set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   of rules roddis on the door to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14   Cyclops's cave it said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   employees must hand wash hands before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   they return to work and you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:20   that sort of thing right there ass ring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   without the event the LED ring for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24   Cyclops would ring and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   yeah exactly so can I talk about women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:30   I don't know why Ren doesn't bring this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   up because she's supposed to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:33   female representative but I continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   date especially in fact happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37   yeah I haven't had a chance to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38   about the women you to talk right also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:42   so artists artists of the sex part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   the women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:45   in this book gets to have guests to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:49   sex with the sexy supernatural being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   the universe is at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:55   Maria and who teaches him the ways of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   players right we don't know and a ninja [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   warrior woman who mixes casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   commitment free sex in with her training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   and who if you knock her up won't be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:07   you for any responsibility because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:08   doesn't believe you had anything to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:09   with that baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10   well that's her closer this is yeah this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   is that what you Larry Ultimate Male and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   the sex fantasy book where all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   desires will be fulfilled in multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   possible ways you have your main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20   leverages you have your sex goddess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   have your warrior woman is just there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:23   for casual sex now for fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   well we did go eighteen hundred pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   with him being a virgin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:28   I know but like it's just ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   like it I its juvenile it's silly its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:34   movement I'll that the female characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36   are it's it's a parody of itself I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   know if he meant it to be a parody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   like can you add and I got so so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:44   this is my theory on on women and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:47   general the the way that the killer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:50   chronicles are lined up is that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:53   it is a story of both and the way he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   going it's very much I feel like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:58   single character and this includes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1258">TS</a>]

00:20:59   Ambrose antenna and everybody else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   seen through his eyes and as such is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   told through the perspective of him at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   that point I feel like I'm and I may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:08   terribly wrong but I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   reason why didn't it comes across as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:11   boring the reason why Ambrose comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   across as one-dimensional because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   only seeing both perspective at the age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   that he's at and hopefully when we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:22   into the third book i'm crossing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   fingers that things become more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   three-dimensional but it's the older guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:28   telling the story that I brought this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:29   in the first podcast like I was in on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   that theory but it's the older one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   telling story its not I know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34   saying like what is he telling it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   like this is what I thought when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:37   18 and I was an idiot and what we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:40   have a counterexample right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:41   they're there are no women in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   framing story really right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   no I mean it's well any have em and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   that's the other part that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:47   part we see through chroniclers eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:48   right we have we have no I idea of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:51   we treat women how women are described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52   there's no baseline we only have the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   past narrative quote relating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   stories of women so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   but if you were telling the story when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1318">TS</a>]

00:21:59   you were 16 wouldn't you be saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   boys I was such an idiot a 16 here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   what I thought about x y&z but he never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:04   does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:05   well I don't know I feel like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   fair amount of I was an idiot overlaid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   in a lot of this story jumped off a roof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   right but that's what he doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   that about the women he doesn't say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   night long for dinner and she was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   wonderful you know he doesn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   contrast that we do have one at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   one Orie who I think is one you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   female character that's actually not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   mite yeah some i will develop a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28   that one right but I'm saying like she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   not she's not a sex object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   she's not you know I you serious flow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   I think she's got interesting there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   there's a story there is a story behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   the only one that's not available for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:41   sex is the mentally handicapped one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   because him being sexually attracted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:44   there would be too creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   I don't know if she's mentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:47   handicapped well you know I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   your brain is broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:50   yeah but she I assume she's a neighbor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   who went into yahoo and that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   was my just clearly not so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   appropriate for couples to be telling us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58   that love who I caught a glimpse of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1378">TS</a>]

00:22:59   leg in this sexy drag that she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   wearing up from the sewers you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:02   not but every other every other woman we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:05   hear that about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:06   he sets up his friend for one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   know to be yeah there's music there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   couple other girls in the series you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:11   love any girl who he who isn't described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:14   in terms of how they are attractive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   the male's accepted because except the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   grill there's the there's the other girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   got a feeling she's always always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   describe how beautiful she is and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   are ya tractor dark Debbie same deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27   very attractive sexy girl was flirting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   over their desk arguing over money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   Dennis certainly like that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:34   thing with coats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:35   I don't know I thought is it just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37   hound dog what can you say what I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   like it's flirting all in different ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41   though because i wouldn't call i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43   wouldn't call the Fela flirting the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   on the same level as the Debbie flirting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:46   or on the same level as the ferroli [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   including every possible type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   learning well but I'm just saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   the fact that they're different like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   read you read juvenile books bye bye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   guys who are you know clearly a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   bit sex craved or putting funneling us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   it's an obsession into that and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   all the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:07   it wasn't there were no female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:08   characters intelligent but yeah I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:12   saying like when you read it when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   read a book by an author who is clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   a little sex-crazed all of the women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   come across the exact same way so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20   all like all of all the women you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   our sexy for this exact same reason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25   always hear legs come up benefiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:26   robert jordan yes Robert Jordan is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:30   perfect example if you want an author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   who is terrible at women robert jordan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   terry terry goodkind is another perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   example of this where it's just to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   of the all of the women have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   similar yeah all the women have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42   similarly descriptive characteristics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45   and the thing that I find interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:46   about this is yes Dana is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:49   wonder she's one-dimensional she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   two-dimensional she's floating and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   whatever but could both says hey that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:54   puts her up on a pedestal at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   beginning with a book he says this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   the girl that was completely unreachable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1498">TS</a>]

00:24:59   and this is why and it wasn't like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:02   doesn't go just she's unreachable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   because she's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:05   it's very much like this she is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   unknowable object and literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   unreachable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:10   yes effort for months at a time doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   it cellphone store like magic magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   cellphone have magic and they can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   magic phones he's gonna he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:17   artifice 18 I think you can make one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   the fishery in about a month right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:22   she's writing her own Queen Killer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23   chronicles yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   well I fascinating i would be relaxed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   that's one of the things that word cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   my thought was a really funny theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   which is that he is obsessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   finding the champion and the charians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   hey opposition is this other group that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:41   is the mirror your idea mirror so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:43   so what if she's obsessed with finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   me a mirror and they're working like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   opposite side of the same case this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   entire time and different did anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   assumed that her her patron was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   the Chandra and I mean oh yeah kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   more ideas maybe the guy he's playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:57   the board game with two yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   mm but who knows I mean that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   the that's just a lot of the economy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   characters talking there which is her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   perhaps we've seen her patron and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   already know who he is it was the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   who is playing chess with i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:11   call cheat on that because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   character like you have to put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   something that makes a suspected that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:16   guy was a hundred percent straight-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   he's especially is a good guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:19   and that's what makes me suspect its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   batteries you know what I mean he's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:25   it doesn't see it doesn't seem like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26   kind of book doesn't seem like the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   of book worries like pulling like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:29   like a new uniforms room murder where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   you make like the one guy who didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   expect it's the priest has been friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   the whole time lots of cheap move you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35   know what I mean yeah I mean I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   there are no new characters introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   this book all the time that i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:40   feel like it's definitely somebody we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:43   heard of before but I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:45   necessarily feel like if somebody yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   somebody could both knows well one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:50   the Chandra and could be absolutely be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   the case i love that though I i do love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:55   the fact that there is this super scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:58   band of supernatural creatures where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   you if you speak about them a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   much they will come and kill you because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04   they don't want to be known as the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   of them for not being known really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   what was your reason to kill everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:11   well because everything kill everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:12   so they just wiped off the map so nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   even associated oh my god those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   died I don't know who did it we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   talking again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:19   I mean the whole book is surrounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   around the the concept of names and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   stories and that kind of so it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   perfect sense that you know nameservers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   stories are dangerous means that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   most dangerous thing i mean i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   that everybody does to ride this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   thing about him being like you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35   searching for fairy tales right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   that was always you know kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   interesting is our date but they accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   every other movie is very specifically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   ridiculous has come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:45   well it's you know even in a magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   world you've got to have limits right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   you've got to have you've got to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   the high-end that that's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   going to happen is beyond the pale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:54   yeah exactly so do we like this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:58   actually i cani cani list of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   things i like about it but i do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   bunch of things i'm not at all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   let's do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   whoo not real genius Jason I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:08   women characters that I like the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:12   shipwreck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13   yeah it's resetting shipwrecked not so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   like almost all the many settings that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   they put everything in the little stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   like a dragon hunt in the last one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   which is well i didn't i didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:23   that but the dragon the Severn I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   that whole setup that was fun them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:27   we left it before it got to be boring or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   stupid that the Adem and admir and Tempe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:32   and the whole talking with gestures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   hit that character that character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   particular is one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   characters he was interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   strange and in the beginning you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   he was quite mysterious guy but he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   back to the village realize he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:44   kind of like a lowly runt of the litter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   and he really shouldn't have done what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   he did I like those guys like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:51   culture that was a funny little story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:52   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:53   I like the thing in the tree that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   good idea that thing that knows all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:56   possible yeah and tries to cause the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:59   most harm based on info that's it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   all these things are our basis of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:02   can imagine like yours best fantasy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   science fiction having a little stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05   in each one of these settings they'd all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:06   be good you know the tree I just for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:09   second I what I love about the tree is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   that it is completely consistent with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   the the kind of many worlds idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   that the tree sees all the possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:18   things and knows that if it says certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   words those only appear in this eventual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:23   outcome so it says those words which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   just wow what a crazy idea and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:29   see why nobody would want to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:30   it and why it would be really evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   anybody in the face around but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   they're scared of it's like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:35   even don't even go there don't even talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:36   don't do not engage with that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   whose name I can't pronounce right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:39   don't talk to the tree and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   also the tree and terms of the parallels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   the tree with the ATM where there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:47   tree that has the like the sword will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:50   stand ya ya crazy so all those little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53   settings i like the sword where you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   to memorize the entire history out yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   every prior owner there's so many that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   that's what it makes you want to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   these books ever there's so many those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:02   little touches a good sorry Bob rich so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   many little things in there it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:05   they do not hold together into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   cohesive hold it's a story that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   is going to be successful but all little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:10   pieces I like chronicles you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12   like it's like a good book exploded and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:15   these are the pieces and I particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   think Martin Martin wow this is little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   piece like this one shiny boy but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20   have deployed of the book is that he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:23   telling how he became a legend so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   telling all these little stories because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:26   all these little stories are how legends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   are you know that's how our culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   deals with the story search the group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   stories that stand alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   and they're super cool and then they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:36   you know exaggerated throughout the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38   and then suddenly he is all-powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:39   when he's really just a guy who's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:42   of collapsing under the pressure of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   legend that he kind of helped create and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   the people who don't know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48   reproduce that i can draw the line on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   that when I was like come on people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:51   I think everyone figures out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   reproduction marks if you don't figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   out a reproduction works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56   you are not successful as a society as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:59   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:00   you figured you did something people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:01   figure out I'm sorry homunculus it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   it's a fantasy book maybe it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   work that way mrs. Jarrow i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:06   fact though that they're very insistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   on it because it does it just puts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09   point that you need to maybe reexamine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12   your maybe it will wait a second is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13   just my culture who thinks that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   obviously not but it's such a funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   moment of like but no yourself only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   there were some experiment we could run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   to you yes well maybe we had the means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   the scientific method to figure out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   eternal mystery but they don't they live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   they live in the rocks they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   any of value they live in rocks or was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   it was exciting to hear it was like man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   mommies or something i forget what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:34   slang term was for you believe in it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37   a mister mister mom's you believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   Michael Michael Keaton's you believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   oh so we purchased second miss what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:45   what else John anything hot and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   that's it for all the things that i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   that it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   yeah but that's basically no but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   agree with you completely that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   thing as much as i mock these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   regressions inside digressions lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   the aggressions were really fun and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:02   and rich and and enjoyable on the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:06   their own pull apart even if the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   thing I'm will wait wait a second are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:10   ever gonna get back to all this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   stuff that's going on where you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   do you want to get back yeah just hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   out here and can't wait till we see den [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:17   again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:18   no yeah that's where it's all unrequited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   an awkward I'd forgotten she exists and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   now we're back and looking for her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25   Severn loan it's like just come come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   tell me who you're but what who your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30   patron is no answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:31   he's got no la now got like a suppliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:34   I cannot tell you who my patron is oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:37   but I love you but but no but I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   tell you because the polygonal your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   understatement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:43   now I have to go kill a dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:47   and I could take the dragon yeah my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   absolute favorite parts about this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   are well two things 1i love the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:56   that these are you know to almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   thousand-page books and what this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:01   a thousand pages i think we're 994 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:05   that don't feel like thousand-page books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08   i read each of these i read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   back-to-back because I happened to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   up a name of the wind after wise man's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   fear would come out and I read those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   back-to-back in two days just because no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:19   just the clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:20   yes i know it say I didn't have day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:23   three and it drove me insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   we're at a tavern I was at the tavern of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   my apple pie and cider the tavern of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:30   room I think you know what's what's most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   impressive about that though really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35   the amount of mocking before you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:38   those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:38   yes when when other people are reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   those books just just that I i was i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:44   mocking these books i was mocking these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:45   books because dan was rereading and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   gloating does not become you mr. know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   was curious I was like oh yeah well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:52   was looking over her shoulder it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:53   oh weird magic words and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   traveling i have read this but are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:59   more true so yeah you should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   continued marketing business for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:02   valid mocks me they are they are valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:05   marks but you know what it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06   incredibly well-written book and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   not it is not incredibly well-written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   yes yes yes I was John that's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13   giving you coming back if anything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   the writing I mean in the parts that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   enjoy it was poorly written and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   don't know probably was party wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   hold together structure of the sentences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   and stuff like that like it's competent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   and the idiosyncrasies are charming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   instead of irritating for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   but i think we call that good writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   yeah I you know what I'm not saying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   Hemingway I'm just saying it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   it's not having what if you can write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   thousand-page book if it was poorly Rand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   and you wouldn't be coming back but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:41   is this is the opposite of him it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   not Cormac McCarthy yeah you can keep if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:46   you can keep me occupied for an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:49   day for a thousand-page book and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   feel like I've only read two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   pages i count that is good ring it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   it's a book limbus yes it's a paper and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   i will give you that it is paige Turner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:00   it's not citizen calibre page for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   everything ok kindle clicker also i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   i respect you that I really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   respect his ability to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:08   music into this and to work like 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   Lian's i am back dialogue and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:13   that it's it's really really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   to see those those fields and those sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   of things interweaving and the music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   stuff i mean coming from a classical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   music background and reading these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24   it's really really touching some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   things in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:28   strike right at the core of people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   especially me like as a musician I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   like yep i completely identify with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:36   and the way you're saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   exactly how i feel and it's you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   don't find that all that often where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   someone can capture passion accurately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44   on the page and I really that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   impressive i'm still going with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   exploding book theory because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   for example that little piece that piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   of the music you know I recognize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   as it was a good party even though i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:55   not a musical person as as a good part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   of the book there are many aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   this that are exemplary I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   think they all fit together into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   overall really good book really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   story to pay trying to because i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   little nuggets and it's like I'm it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:08   like a video game with is really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   you know maybe really cool boss battles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:13   are really cool levels here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:14   and there's lots of director in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:15   when you're done it doesn't hold up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   is like so as a cohesive whole story so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   even though I keep wanting to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   but I want to get to the night next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:22   interesting nugget I keep turning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:23   pages and each of those each of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   nuggets is good and they're good aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   of it i don't think i like the mix is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   right i don't think the formula don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   think he's got it down yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:32   you know you're a rat you're a rat in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   maze John now looking for that next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   piece of GMO you know they're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   pieces of cheese here and there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:39   exploded off of the large wheel of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   cheese most of its amazed and it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:45   a way to weigh 250 pages medicine got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:49   your veteran fantasy reader what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   think I completely disagree with John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:55   because i think that the the beauty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   this this story is that it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   fragmented and kind of building up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   this framing story which I know I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   repeating this but I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   the whole thing is about storytelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:10   how you know these different things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   going to weave together to form this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   legend of this guy and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   built like I could be sorely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   disappointed because I am assuming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   it's going to build up to something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   book 3 and something will happen but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   it doesn't then i will agree with John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   retroactive with high- assuming the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   explanation book 3 will be disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   and I can't believe Scott isn't also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:31   assuming that as my fellow passive we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   have an optimist and is optimist aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:37   you just assuming whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:38   explanation I haven't booked three it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:39   going to be disappointing for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   there's no there's no way they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:42   explain anything to build up to the hype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:44   they have over at the two brothers john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:47   says the glass is half empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   Scott's as half-full I say it's got half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   as much stuff as it contains exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:55   I i have faith in I think that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   process is a very good storyteller and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:00   have a feeling that he will have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:03   satisfying conclusion and I appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:07   that it will only be three books so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   if it isn't that satisfying it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   take that long to read them is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   short story teller don't have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   novelist that's a good short stories in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   that last novel alright damn red you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:22   have things to say about I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:23   sounds it sounds like reading your very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   positive about it i'm very positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   about it was it's the first series i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   read in a while that made me really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:30   excited to start reading fantasy books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   again and that's that is a hard thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:35   yes what about you damn i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   really like I agree a lot with Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   because he's smart but you know how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   pains me and so I I know but I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:46   we talked about this a little bit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   name of the wind podcast about the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:48   of this being a book more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   storytelling and I think you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:54   a subject that happens we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   interesting to me and perhaps that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56   I found it so entertaining and enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:58   that sort of meta aspect of well what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:03   a fantasy legend right we have so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04   books that are about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:05   larger-than-life heroes and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:08   adventures they go on and so it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   of interesting to have them be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   that flipped on their head to a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   extent and be like yes they're all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   stories but we are hearing them through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:16   this person's point of view and for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   know this person basically appears to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   you know a bartender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   yeah there's some there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   interesting contradiction is going you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:25   know on an errand and again like Scott I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   think you know the third book if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   building to an end here then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   hopefully it pays off on all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:36   that we've sort of had put out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   I I'd certainly and enjoyed the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   two and look forward to reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:42   third one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   Jason how do you feel about these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:46   aah SI not a regular fantasy writer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   know I i enjoyed them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   I i I'm kind of in the middle in that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:54   i agree that I a lot of this is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:59   storytelling and the framing story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:00   important because he's building his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   legend in his own way and so there may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   be some level of not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   unreliability but he chooses the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   he tells and and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   interesting i like the richness of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:12   world and the fact that he does seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   be planting seeds of of stuff early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   that in hindsight or if you go and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:20   a blog on the internet you can see he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   knows what was happening in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   book in the first book and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25   internally consistent which I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28   also shared John's feeling that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   are there are times when I thought yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:34   the individual moments hold together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:35   better than the book as a whole and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   it's a little bit you know chamblee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   and rambly and and and messy and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:45   would make me laugh saying that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:46   five digression is down but uh but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   I i do think that he's got a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   he's got a lot of skill on display and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:57   my concern though is is that job I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:01   worried that John may be right i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   i've got some hope that that this will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05   come off but it is you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:09   University stuff does feel like we we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   already have a lot of that we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   it again and you know i'm not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:17   sure if the if the overarching story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:20   maybe a little too messy and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:23   progressing as fast as maybe I prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:26   but you know i'm enjoying the moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   and I'm enjoying the richness of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:31   so I'm willing to take the ride even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   if it ever got some concerns about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:36   about some of the details so you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:37   i agree with everybody everybody's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   god bless us everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   now I think we all agree they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:43   when the third book comes out we'll all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   read it like even though i said all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:46   these bad things about it like it keep I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   keeps me reading because i want those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   fun little parts and I'm not offended by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:53   him too i just think alike but jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:54   said is true i think he has lots of raw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   talent he just doesn't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:57   harness it yet in my opinion it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:59   mean that the book is not worth reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:00   it just means that i can given his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:03   talent and these things these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:04   things that he's made I can envision a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   better book than what he's written if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   could have that the same town focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   more into into a hole like he hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   quite figured that out yet i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   think that he is trying to tell a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   destroyed story though and that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   what i have been doing that I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   know what you're saying I know the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21   you're describing I wish I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:22   remember there was some story right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:23   there is very similar to this of a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   telling about legend of itself with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:26   going forward and back and maybe there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   been several of them that's why i can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:29   remember it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   I if he's going for that he could pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   that off better than he's doing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   I i'm not sure i'd rather read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   story then a different one with the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   guy but like it's I I just think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:42   got a lot of raw talent and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   farthest first books like this first in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46   a second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:47   yeah I think that kind of shows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:50   again being a big Stephen King fan he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:53   I he's the author was most books that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   think about every single thing Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:56   can get similar problems he was a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   author where he had some raw talent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   he was just kind of a mess right and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   took just years and years and many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   books for him to just figure it out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   push it together and I get that vibe i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   think Patrick Rothfuss is better in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   first two novels and Stephen King was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:11   his first you know several of them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   he's got stuff I have to say John I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   sorry to do this it's not as if Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   King is one of your favorite movies from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   the 80s but i will say you know rafas is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:26   way better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:27   stylistically as a rather than early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   books true but Stephen King does get his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:32   now together around i like i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   stephen king but what what his books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   lack that I think I see in the patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   rothfuss stuff is just a tie I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:42   style i think that Stephen King has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   always been somebody who's got a style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   but his voice sounds the same in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:46   book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   and I know he's got a lot of things i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:50   not trying to slag on on Stephen King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   here i'm just saying that I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   rothfuss bring some stuff to the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   that I think Stephen King doesn't but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:57   think you're right in the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:58   stephen king is very good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:01   constructing his books in a way that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   not sure Patrick Rothfuss has got that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   mostly what I'm getting at is stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:06   king is with workmanlike I'm not holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   out as a great author but he really did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   figure out from his early stories where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:13   he was and knows how to tell stories how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14   to tell scary and 22 his later start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   like at his turning point thinking this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   is obscure be unless you're sixteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   kingdom but the book bag of bones which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   was not a very good book and not one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   my favorites but I'd noted that when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   was reading it as a turning point in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:26   writing where he actually finally had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   little tiny bit of style chops on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:31   display and ruthless does have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:32   style than steaming and probably ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:35   will but it's just so loose and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   unencumbered by anything whereas Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   King was messy and disorganized and bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:44   writing and he finally got a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:45   of style around bag of bones which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:46   nobody read and then afterwards you sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   of pulled it together but yeah he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:51   Stephen King is work he works the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   formula and you know what you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:54   get when you read one of his books but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56   it's solid it's every one of his stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   later ones after that are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2698">TS</a>]

00:44:59   constructed solidly almost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02   Hollywood movie only ten times longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   now write it up right all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:08   this is gonna be the longest book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   podcast we've ever done but it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   about is the equivalent of about 10,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:15   pages will soothe yeah war 1 2015 oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:19   thank you bring it back around I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:22   yeah yeah I i don't i don't regret right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   reading either of these series that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   good that's our new bra write books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   you're done you want those moments of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   your life back now we have a we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35   have our podcast later about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   books we regret like oh yeah that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   the left is one of those that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   maybe reading one area that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   problem ya series though because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:45   with unfinished serious because then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   get to the last book and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:48   retroactively Lee regret reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:49   everything business last book just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:52   completely crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:53   excellent yes know what i will do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:57   podcast that is books authors or series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:01   that we regret or refused to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   basically will be the the the 60-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:07   hate oh i watch that on CBS 150 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:12   a CSI hate ya SI hay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   alright well we've covered 2,000 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:19   worth it only took us two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20   minutes so until next time on the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:24   club where our topic will be if you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:27   like to read ahead the a4 mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:30   ready player one not we'll share some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   pages long shirt no very short quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   read sure to be a lot to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   about that and then we'll cart back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   what you're reading as well because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:41   didn't have time to read anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:42   you're reading 2,000 page long fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   novels about about Mitch's whatever not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:49   going to talk about what's his facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:50   stream d know we might talk about Neal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:54   Stephenson to i gotta finish reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   allstate speaking of a thousand-page but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   that's what I'm really right gotta get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2818">TS</a>]

00:46:59   to it and finish reading ready player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   one first off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:02   yeah I'm in the midst I know it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   to it's hard to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   I never learned to read i have hired a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:07   guy to read through that he summarizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10   it for you know he sounds like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:14   yes it's damned or in fact I the Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:19   morons title soundboard i actually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   use that voice when reading 2 j's he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   calls me and reads me a chapter a night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   before I go to bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   it pays great guys mm that's why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   have no time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29   that's why I have a job yeah alright so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:33   until we return with the another edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   of the book club i would like to thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   my guest John siracusa thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:38   being here and talking about the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   and the bad of patrick rothfuss very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:44   ren called well thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   and talking about 2,000 pages worth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:48   fantasy it's always a pleasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51   Scott mcnoltey i'm glad you were here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:55   provide your traditional wit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58   well thank you i feel like this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:59   good podcast that exploded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02   well it was a podcast of exploded that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:05   every leaving SS and leaving is evident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   arts that's right leaving good parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   scattered around amidst the wreckage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:13   Dan Morgan thank you for being here as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   you are on practically every part make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:19   it sound like I don't have a life no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   your consistency reading where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   consistent bandit you're too busy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26   is the name of my marbles consistent too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   busy recording podcaster read books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   sadly i'm reading a book right now as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   are automatically claims a lot it does I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:35   alright until next time I Jason Snelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:39   for the uncomfortable thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40   listening to buy always read read kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:44   reading is fundamental stand school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:48   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMalrMWg/2928">TS</a>]