The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast 65 November [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► welcome to another edition of the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I'm Jason smell [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► your host today we are going to be [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► talking about fall television lots of [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► new shows premiering with interest [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► interesting premises and some sci-fi and [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► some other things that are of interest [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► to our are great listeners out there as [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► well as some returning shows that we [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► talked about before so to survey the [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► landscape of fall television [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► i'm joined by a tremendous cast of [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► characters here today Scott Mykelti [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► hello Scott [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► hello i enjoy watching television I know [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► that about you [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► you're well-read and well watched I do [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► sometimes I read and watch TV at the [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► same time watching you right now John [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► siracusa as well as here hi John [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► hello Jason you are fewer of televised [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► entertainment are you i just came from [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► the television room [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► Wow see so you're fresh you're ready to [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► well you have a whole room dedicated to [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► tell us right that that is how serious [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► you are that that's I like that level of [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► dedication interviewer ben boychuk is [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► also here this is to podcast in a row [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► for you we are your your honor you're on [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► a roll [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► yeah I'm in such trouble with my family [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► though yeah i'm going to be killed in my [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► sleep too much [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► podcasting I'm gonna have to really make [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► this one count ok that's good podcast as [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► if it was your last podcast on earth [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► precisely alright damn moron who is on [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► every podcast on earth is also here I [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► damn Jason I'm not a television [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► character but I play one on TV [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► mm-hmm I'm sure you came up with that [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► just now I'd actually did come up that's [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► just good [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► alright I like like that lack of [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► preparation it fits with my life battery [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► that's what i do i roll with the punches [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► yes i'm a punch you later and Lisa [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Schmeisser also joins us hi Lisa [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► I pleasure to be here it is great to [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► have you here we'll see if you're still [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► saying that at the end of the spot [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► because like the feeling's mutual [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yes yes I'm alright so are interesting [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► lots lots of new kind of genre related [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► shows this fall which is funny because [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► on one level like I kind of wondered if [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► they would learn their lesson from some [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► of the the the shows like the flash for [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► words and the like of last season but [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► know if we've learned anything about TV [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► networks they never learn [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► so we got another batch it's a pretty [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► bleak landscape i was talking about i [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► was having dinner with a friend earlier [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► and we were sort of going through all [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► the new especially in the hour-long [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► department [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► it is a pretty colors room oh I don't [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► podcast is over I was not I was not very [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► excited about this fall and then [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► actually I I think there's a lot of [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► decent hour long new series out there [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► decent nothing that i'm super excited [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► about well that's the problem right it [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► that a lot of these shows are almost [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► more offensive in their mediocrity to me [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► you know that may be that may be so but [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► there's one I'm kind of excited about [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► there's just one time there's one kind [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► of excited about to so there's a 10 x I [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► in fact discovering that one last week [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► kind of turned me around about the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► season like ooh there's a show i'm [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► interested in and under a solution so [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► I'm sorry there's two short shows that i [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► like this season one of them however is [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► so far outside the realm of being [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► comfortable that we shouldn't even bring [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► it up [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► no no we should now now now you're now [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► you're in its revenge all my god you [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► guys watching revenge in time i actually [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► heard kind of kind of good things about [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► that i I've never been heard of that [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► it's a girl in the Hamptons and she [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► hates all the people i'm kind of a [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► sucker I do i do love Emily VanCamp [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► she's awesome it is it on the CW know [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► it's ABC hate well the ABC ABC is a [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► ritual it features walking lab [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► experiment madeleine stowe and as the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► queen of the Hamptons and then we [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► vancamp as the girl who's going to take [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► her down because madeleine stowe [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► participated in the scheme that somehow [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► got her father convicted of treason and [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► he died in ignominy and it is the most [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► deliciously soapy thing I've ever seen [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► in my life and I say this is somebody [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► who was a dedicated viewer of the [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► original beverly hills 90210 and melrose [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► place it just it's gone lunatic just in [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► the first few episodes alone we've [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► already got dumb us sliding kinsey scale [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► sexuality blackmail going on as and a [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► really annoying high tech billionaire [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► who's decided to get involved just for [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► kicks and a little bit of class warfare [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► two bar and [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► every time and now there's a secret [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► tripled stripper doppelganger who was [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► just introducing the latest episode of [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► season pass right now [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► yeah I have subscribing that's right so [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► I got any at stripper doppelganger and [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the problem is I yeah I i will hulu at [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► work occasionally just to just to just [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► to get a refresher because it's just [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► that good and the problem with healing [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► something like this at work is is you [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► you find yourself now you know when [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► you're supposed to be buckling down and [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► it's a chance to talk to the television [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► show it is [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► and honestly I wish I wish that more of [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► my girlfriends or heck even boyfriends [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► lived closer to me so that we could all [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► get together on wednesday nights and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► watch it and screw scream at the screen [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► together because it's mind-bogglingly [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► good fund it is addictive [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► I don't want to like it and my wife [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► started watching it and I said I this is [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► silly soapy nonsense but then you kind [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► of get hooked and pretty soon I'm [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► sitting down on the couch and and I'm as [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► rapidly attend to it is as anything so [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► yeah you're like what will the ball be [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► this week is it is it a charity gala is [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► that the fourth of July at every week we [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► have a big a big fancy charity shindig [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► was just introducing the second yes and [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► that's what does that happen [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► yeah sure shot in the Hamptons are no oh [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► god now completely and like Long Beach [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► oh so sad yeah but it's another show on [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► USA that's it in the Hamptons royal [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► pains royal pains there you go [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► hold me closer tiny doctors we call this [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► is not how i thought this podcast we go [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► no this is good I they were all getting [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► our skeletons out of the closet now [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► yeah it's good it's good should it would [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► anybody else like to talk about shows [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► they're watching that aren't we just [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► start with off topic and then hope that [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► have later we moved to all of you what [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► let's off topic i mean well as John and [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► John and I were talking before before [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► about a homeland which I don't think [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► necessarily falls straight into you know [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► are sort of typical wheelhouse but again [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► i will hire 32 spy a spy thriller and I [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and I love i'm a geek for spy thrillers [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► so so there you go i it i would say so [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► far and I and I again I've alive [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► watch mostly pilots of other things it [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► is probably the best new show of the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► entire [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► that's all c's that's Claire Danes [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► contains Damien loose right who you [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► might recognize from LA and the brothers [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► and life life which showed that I i like [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► to smell good job cancelled and a man [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► can't be taken as as other dances good [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► using some of anything he's great in bed [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► well I think he's he's awesome in this [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► show so far but you forgot the most [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► important one [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► Inara marina marina avatars yeah that's [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► Rebecca and David Harewood a British [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► actor who has appeared in a couple I [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► think he appeared in one of the Doctor [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► Who end of time maybe the doctor who was [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► like that rich reclusive billionaire [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► whatever terrible character terrible [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► character but I like him he also [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► appeared on the BBC robin hood as Friar [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► Tuck but he plays sort of a CIA middle [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► management guy who's angling for a for a [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► better a better job so the premise here [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► is that is that Damian Lewis returns [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► from like a spider hole in Afghanistan [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► or go somewhere and he's basically been [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► you know in this like captured by [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► terrorists and held for eight years and [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► he gets rescued and claire danes [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► character suspect that he may be he may [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► have been turned [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► during his capture but she basically has [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► this information [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► nobody else really knows this [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► information that she has and so she sort [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► of goes out on a limb to try and prove [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► it and what I like about it so far is [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► that it really [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► despite the fact that you know you was [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► the viewer kind of know what's going on [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► because you see stuff sort of omission [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► Lee her character clearly is you know [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► right in in sort of like straddling the [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► line she does a lot of questionable [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► things and she does a lot of things that [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► don't seem to pay off so she's got this [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► theory and she started sticking to it [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► and trying to prove it but she's not [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► making a lot of headway and sort of in [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► each episode she gets like maybe a [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► little bit closer but she's still kind [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► of on the outside looking in and so I [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► kind of enjoy that sort of uphill [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► struggle from her and there's some [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► things with her that make her arguably [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► sort of unreliable as a character very [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► tactful way of putting it [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► yeah but she's I I you know without [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► giving too much away about it but its [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► life it was one of probably the only [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► pilot i watched and was immediately [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► thinking I have to have to watch the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► next episode because it ends on [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► something that's very subtle but is also [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► kind of this huge shift you know she [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► spends his whole pilot trying to prove [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► this fact and she least get somebody to [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► come around your point of view at the [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► end but in what it turns out to be a [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► fairly minor sort of Revelation I think [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► am I think the pilot is was maybe still [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► is available for free for people yeah [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and to think you could stream it online [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► although it is obviously censored in on [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► on shows its show time so there is some [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► stuff to censor so if you wanna see the [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► good parts [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► yeah you don't want to be sensor all [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► right i want ya i was vision why John [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► saying that but that's the thought you [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► open you know episode 1 let's cut to the [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► chase here here's why you want to keep [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► watching this program and then you know [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► you know even the first episode of [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► stargate had boobs in it [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► yeah but never again I kept watching for [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► eight long years wow that's Teddy power [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► of the many ways I don't know about a [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► show that is really really its subtle [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► which I like in a thriller I mean it's [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► kinda like a lot more of a john mccrae [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► angle to it it's not entirely [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► over-the-top things will blow up every [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► week it's not 24 it's got yes it's got a [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► much more it's got a much slower burn to [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► it i really appreciate that it keeps you [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► going and keep every week I finished [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► that the show and I think holy crap i [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► wish i had the right the next episode [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► right now because it's that I'm adding [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► grossmont yeah I just caught up on the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► series i watched the first episode of it [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► yesterday and watch the last episode of [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► it today so it tells you what kind of [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► draw dad for my life are the best thing [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► i've seen this season what it reminds me [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► most of his season 1 of The Sopranos and [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that they're building tension like [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► every person in the show I yeah Dan [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► mentioned the claire danes was like you [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► know kind of odd not kind of unreliable [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► and strange not really like your shining [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► knight and the one you're rooting for [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► anything like that everyone in the show [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► has something about them that's off [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► including like the supposed antagonist [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► think the the guy who's been turned like [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► as Dan was saying they're leading you [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► since you as the the viewer see things [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► that no one else sees you know you see [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► everything you feel like you have a [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► pretty good idea of what the truth is [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► but even if you know even if you're [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► pretty sure that you know what's going [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► on the characters involved in it don't [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► are like real people are not sure that [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► their that they're able to or are [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► willing to or want to go through with [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► the thing you think they're gonna do [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► everybody the good guys the bad guys the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► guys you think about guys do you think [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► are good guys [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► nobody is like an automaton machine who [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► just does what they want to do [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► everybody's got problems everybody is [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► uncertain and it's all that the [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► mellowness is what's great about it [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► because you you know i don't know what [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► the budget is the show but like there's [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► no explosions no car chases [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► there's very little that you know [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► gunfire anything like that it's just a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► good character story that's slowly [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► building tension now this is the type of [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► series where you've all depend on how [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► they resolve this story because they're [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► obviously they're building some kind of [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► story here and say well how far how many [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► seasons this can you do it eventually [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► we're going to find out [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► will your warranty is here isn't he does [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► the thing I think gonna happen not going [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► to happen and like how do you do season [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► 2 and how to do season 3 and so on and [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► so forth so they can still mess this up [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► but that i highly recommend this show [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► for all the reasons you might want to [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► watch a show it reminds me a little bit [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► of my favorite show from last year which [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► I know John liked as well which was [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► Terriers which was another show that had [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► a very slow build to it and i think this [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► is teenagers was much more laid back [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► than this though [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► yes is like this is like fighting you [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► know yeah so I shouldn't watch this [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► because it's going to get cancelled [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► no I think it's on showtime so okay [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► there you go [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► yeah it's already it's already been [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► renewed you've got washed away skycable [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► guarantee all right yeah the gray cable [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► guarantees the first time that's a great [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► recommendation [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► let's uh move on and talk about [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► Oh we'll go from serious nail-biting [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► the post the iraq war terrorism to [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► dinosaurs in the past through a time [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► portal about that who that would be I [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► speak of Terra Nova on song started [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► yeah terranova sort of vaguely Stargate [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► and it actually the people behind it are [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► our mother it's a bunch of Star Trek [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► producers plus Steven Spielberg although [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► i'm always dubious about how he's how [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► much she's involved in anything [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► hands on is he gonna be with this you [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► drop by the office once you know you [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► know I i will say that i think he is he [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► is not like super involved but there's [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► something about this that reminds me of [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► like you're you're very average [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► Spielberg film like the worst of [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► Spielberg I think well I mean Spielberg [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► but like mediocre right like and I think [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► on that TV his TV work is actually [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► generally really poor [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► yeah i mean but in film on talking he [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► gets that I don't think he gets the [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► medium [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► yeah it's it's it's a weird show it's [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► not as bad as I thought it would be but [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► it's not i think it's pretty terrible [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► oh it's it's it's squandered potential [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► it's one potential that's exactly what i [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► was going to say is I thought the pilot [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► was pretty good in that it sets up the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► scenario where your you've got a blank [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► canvas right you've got these people [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► they're back in time there from the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► future they they've they're sending from [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► a dystopic future not right future right [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► I thought that was the coolest part of [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► the whole show on asleep while rising [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► more the future or the so well that's [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► the nice thing about it is that they [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► can't go back but people come from the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► future they continue to come in waves [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► from the future and they can do some [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► communication back there and there's [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► some some imagination since the politics [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► and I I thought that was I thought the [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► setup was pretty good i mean there's [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► some weirdnesses apparently in the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► original pilot the husband and wife who [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► have been separated because he was put [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► in jail for lying about having having a [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► kid right so the the husband-wife in the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► original unaired pilot they were their [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► marriage was was on the outside actually [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the reason that they had the third kid [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► was to try and save their marriage or [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► somehow and they took that out which is [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► weird but what's even weirder is like in [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the second episode they're introduced [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► this guy who was her old boyfriend and [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► there's supposed to be some tension [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► there except it's very clear that they [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► had to take that out when they decided [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► not to have their marriage be in trouble [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► so there's it [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► no tension oh that's a huge narrative [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► mistake because this show would have [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► been okay i thought this show could have [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► been delightfully creepy if it turns out [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► that Elizabeth had been recruited by a [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► next lover who was thinking hey your [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► husband's in jail you're going to be [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► several million years in the past [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► how's it going around that you know [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► that's what it should be about it's got [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► dinosaurs is not speaking about our [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► marriage is on the rocks a sleep but [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► doesn't make me creepy setup is all so [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► kids I'm your new dad in the past and [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► happy because we haven't nothing just [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► drop that angle [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► well you did I think I think the push [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► and hold that I heard just hear about [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► how it's got dinosaurs do we want [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► characters like well i was actually [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► thinking that setting you know telling [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► stories about interesting people [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► interesting characters it with this with [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► this kind of in interesting world that [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► they're in this backdrop could be good [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► unfortunately the second episode is a is [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► a star trek episode it's basically [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► there's a scary kind of dinosaur threat [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► that threatens the ship I mean the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► colony in made up and the spoiler horn [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► and talk specifics because it was really [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► like the dumbest premise multiple shorts [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► the third episode just also a bad Star [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► Trek rice right that's the one that [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► maybe I actually didn't even watch it [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► because i saw the preview for where it [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► said a virus that erases their memory [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► temporarily and I'm like I don't like [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► that episode of Star Trek do you need [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► and that was my thought was you've got [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► interesting premise and you've got and [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you've got submit some vaguely [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► interesting characters you clearly got a [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► budget for hunt for like hi [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► special-effects you're doing [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► high-concept sci-fi of the week it's [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► like you're on a mainstream network [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► you've got a sci-fi premise you don't [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► need to syfy it up any further [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► you've got dinosaurs you got people from [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► the future who are now in the past you [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► don't need a sci-fi virus as one of my [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► one of my family members who is a big [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► sci-fi fan said like you know pick one [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► right like pick one thing that's [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► different right [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► yeah I was gonna say there's too much [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► stuff in the show Yeah Yeah Yeah [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► dinosaurs done you can make a they can [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► make decisions with you decent things [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► with the dinosaurs Oh big made up [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► dinosaurs you've got all these people [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► coming from a dystopian future when [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► orange is a freakin big deal and all of [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► a sudden they're put into this pass [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► where there's just this profusion of [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► strange flora and fauna and are like [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► home time to patrol the fence that's [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► over with giant vines and keep out the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► dinosaurs [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► no yeah there's no wonder there's a [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► whole world to explore with things that [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► they don't even know we're out there and [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► instead they sit behind the fence and [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► occasionally they'll be like oh geez [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► there's a dinosaur killing people we [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► let's investigate bad and it's really [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► just like that towards the dangerous [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► this is crazy [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► we're mix of of some innovative things [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► and then complete retreat into just [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► clichés it's it's really disappointing [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► also apparently none of these people [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► were formed by their dystopia hate yeah [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► they're all just hanging out by college [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► students know because in the pilot they [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► call those billboards about how family [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► is for and apparently having more than [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► two children is is a grave enough [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► offense where you can get tossed into [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► jail for by the population police [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► yes and you've got this family to jets [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► into the past with five people one of [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► whom you know was was brought in a [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► freaking backpack and their embraced [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► with open arms by the entire Terranova [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► colony you can't tell me that can send [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► it back i guess we'll know but the thing [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► is people could treat them with [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► discussed earlier pariahs aurealis right [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► ulong breaker and instead their own gym [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► whatever did we do before you came along [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► to enforce laws that we haven't actually [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► ratified listen to the future right they [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► seemed like people from the President as [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► if they'd forgotten that they're from a [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► dystopian future [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► well except for except for Steven [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► language there's just like a play the [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► same role you play never huh slightly [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► mellower you know i will say something [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► about Stephen Lang I like something i [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► still get me wrong you know yeah I like [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► him to the thing I'm glad about at least [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► so far in terra nova is that it was so [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► obvious going on it's like oh they're [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► gonna cast him as this mean guy who's in [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► charge of the colonies going to be a [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► jerk and they're gonna have he's going [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► to be the antagonist and they haven't [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► he's actually like he's kind of a jerk [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► how he's just he's kinda gruff right but [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► not rough but he's got the best interest [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► of the colony of heart more lesson and [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► and and i like that because when you've [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► got that whole weird someone to keep him [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► to write with his likes honest he hasn't [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► he has a dark secret to assure you know [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► the real deal is with the the actual [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► anti- for taken from ready player one [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► right they just brought them right over [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► the sensors [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► yeah like said the icon that is all [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► about my problem is that so they can't [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► seem to decide they have dinosaurs [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► attack and then they have some kind of [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► family drama they want to do and then [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► there's a virus and that is just oh god [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the episode with him like I would like [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► to court her daughter just that it's all [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► kind of all those plot-wise need to just [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► die [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► yeah and then there's the rebellious [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► teenager I've got to go out and sneak [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► outside the fence my first things i hate [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► me exactly i don't know anything about [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► this place but i'm going to sneak out [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► and have some moonshine with people I [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► just met because that seems like a good [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► you think I really think I would have [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► been bowled a bold and insensible [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► artistic decision to kill that kid [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► mmm pilot that would've been awesome and [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► then Stephen like have been like see [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► this is why you don't go outside the [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► fence mother's now your family only has [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► four jerks [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► yes yeah well I mean it would have been [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► a very different show up they showed up [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► and he said about pic to kill third one [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► well that's wonderful and i were [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► thinking we're gonna do we were really [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► disappointed when they didn't I mean [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► that this is clearly a beautiful [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► reoriented show right boxes trying to [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► get the family so we all agree that the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► story in the premise they're just [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► squandering it right but you like let's [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► just put that aside and just look at [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► every other aspect of the show the [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► script [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► another thing they're not just so and [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► write whatever gets the job done stupid [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► the individual actors chosen ROK [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► individually but like think of the [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► husband and the wife no chemistry and [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► biochemistry at all then the girl who i [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► love Don King's is just completely flat [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► here I have no interest in her like [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► everything is no interesting character [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► actors is just not done [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► no Steve laying it is coming well the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► thing is is jason o'mara is not a bad [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► actor and he was very good and life on [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► Mars it's just whoever is guiding his [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► career keeps getting into real stinkers [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► because his accent is for his fake [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► accent I barely even recognized him from [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► life on Mars know you mentioned i say oh [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► yeah that is that guys such a pale [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► shadow of what he wasn't that show [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► well I yet they never liked keep his [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► Irish accent someday so let's let's move [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► I now that we've beaten the dinosaurs to [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► death and talk about two shows that are [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► sort of similarly premise which is that [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► there are legendary mythical creatures [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► who are real grim lcg yeah well reel him [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► but that's not the premise dependency [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► unit there plenty real that the prince [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► and the premise Department of this grim [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► which is about mean it's like buffy the [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► vampire slayer or angel because it's the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► same producers it's david greenwalt a [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► couple of producers who worked on Buffy [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► and Angel and that and that that premise [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► is that this guy discovers that he's the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► latest in a line of of people who fight [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► against supernatural forces in the real [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► world and there really is a big bad wolf [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► that attacks girls wearing red hoodies [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► and and there's this whole other part of [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► the world that he's not seen before that [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► now is revealed to him and then there's [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► also once upon a time which is a show [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► that suggests that all fairy book you [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► know the story fairy the fairy tales are [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► real and the weekend Queen cast a spell [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► that banished them all from the land of [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► fairy tales and now they live in Maine [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► and don't rip don't realize that their [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► Ain main where there are no happy and [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► main rain is like purgatory basically [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► what we've learned [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► this just in and one town over from [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► Haven and and and so they there now in [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► Maine so this is essentially you end up [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► with a town that's full of people where [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► you sit there and watch them and go oh [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► he is Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► or whatever and the next and that's not [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► you know how do you feel about this show [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► Jason do you want I'm just I'm just [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► trying to I'm just trying to elaborate [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► on the premises here but it was just it [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► was just the venom which you put it to a [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► boil and whatever alright so let's all [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► right i'll jump on that bad once upon a [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► time for watching two episodes of [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► once-upon-a-time as I am i it's not good [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► it's it no it's not okay okay it's not [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► bad yeah I watched it but it's not this [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► like it's like you're sitting there is [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► no thanks first off it's from these two [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► guys who are producers on lost and you [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► can tell but basically what they've said [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► it it's like lost with fairy tales [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► because every episode seems to cut back [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► and forth between the past in the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► fairyland with important things that [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► inform you about what's happening in the [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► present in main there a sound effect [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► accompanying there is no little Michael [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► chiquinho but i have I so they do these [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► flashbacks and I think to myself I think [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► that maybe is a mistake i think maybe [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► I'm grounding in the present would be [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the problem with a fairy the fairy realm [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► is the fairy realm is ridiculous [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► over-the-top but not enough and you're [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► gonna make it ridiculous i thought you [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► should I think you should go all the way [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► camp and they just a plant in Hungary [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► tones well they don't because they have [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► to go there every week now right i mean [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► it would be different if the first half [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► of the pilot was about the fairyland and [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► then we never saw it again but instead [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► they keep going back there and and the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► way they've instructed the actors to act [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► especially the woman who plays the mayor [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► of the town who's all Atlanta free [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► lessons on taxes also the Wicked Queen [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► her her her performance it as the wicked [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► queen is painful to watch because it's I [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► disagreed so it's just it's poor it is [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► liable disagree I disagree because I [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► thought that's finished worse the more [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► you invited Lisa it's even worse no I [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► thought I thought that the way she [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► manipulated her father a nap [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► so to attic at the key moment I'm trying [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► very hard to explain this without [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► resorting to spoilers [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► anyway the point is is she as she [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► manipulated her father I thought the way [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► that she portrayed the the emotion she [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► was fading compared to what she's [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► actually feeling I thought that was [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► fantastic and I also think she's [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► fantastic is the mayor too because she [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► does a really good job [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► ok my problem with let me be more [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► specific [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► reading reading the over-the-top Wicked [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► Queen dialogue where she sort of [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► shouting into the air about haha yeah [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► that stuff is horrible [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► it's just yeah it's painful so is there [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► anything ever anybody who does that well [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► or 0 because it seems like that the the [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► we've done a really good job as a [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► narrative convention making villains [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► look like complete jackholes when I do [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► start the waving around of the hands and [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► the screaming at nobody particular [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► develop a they'll all pay [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► I mean it doesn't matter what does that [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► but gary oldman does well I'd they keep [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► flashing back to this this very tail end [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► as we're talking about but the problem [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► is like everybody knows those stories [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► yeah right like that's why it's boring [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it's telling us a story we've already [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► heard there's no as far as I can tell [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► there's not much at least in that I only [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► saw the pilot but it seemed like there [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► wasn't too much that like drove those [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► characters to me I mean because their [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► fairytale characters right ultimately [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► they are kind of two-dimensional and and [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► for me that meant I didn't really care [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► about their who they were and and so [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► it's disappointing in some ways to hear [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► that they sort of keep going back to [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► that well because i think there's [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► there's an interesting premise there but [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you know it doesn't need to have the [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► flashbacks i don't know i think they're [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► doing that I think they're doing that so [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► that they you you begin to care about [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► who not home so much who they were but [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► who they are now I i think that and I [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► think it's developed a little bit more [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► in the in the second episode and it and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► I'm willing to give this show a little [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► bit more of a chance because I i think [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► it it's moving along it's not it's not [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► like they're jerking us around I think [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► it's moving along the first two episodes [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► there there's a there's a drive to them [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► and it seems like you were getting a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► better sense [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► so of who these people are now and so so [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► that the flashbacks to fairy tale land [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► are aren't that they don't bother me as [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► much although I if the first episode [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► where they were they were all gathered [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► around that the round table and they [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► were trying to figure out what to do and [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► they were coming up with maybe some [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► solution to get out of this curse or [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► whatever reminded me a lot of the [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► imaginationland episode of southpark [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► yeah let's crank call out maybe not what [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► they were going for [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► probably not what they were going for [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► but it said I I couldn't help but think [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► of you know all of the the Council of [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► imaginary characters talking about the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► crisis you know in Imaginationland and [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► then that you know there was Jiminy [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► Cricket bear on the on the conference [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► table you know it is in that was a [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► little bit funny but before the most [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► right you know i think i think this [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► one's this one's got potential although [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► it certainly didn't it didn't come [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► blasting out of the gate the way the way [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► grim did [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► yeah it's so it's great yeah so grim so [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► great and much stronger pilot I think [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► mix photon once-upon-a-time grim only [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► see the pilot because we record this [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► it's only only only air the pilot eh [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► yeah it was having good it was really [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► good I liked it a lot [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► I don't know if I'd say really good but [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► i found it more compelling than once [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► upon them once upon a time i find it [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► shocking that Jason the buffy guy loves [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► somebody I wanted that's exactly know [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► what there's a as I'm watching it the [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► chemistry between the blue pot in the [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► sin and the lead guy were fantastic [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► really i found the bleeding i kinda flat [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► period like easy very generic and and [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► his buddy i was reading for the body to [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► dive is there was nothing between those [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► two what the copies he's like he's like [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► salt or yeast where you have to add them [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► to something else and then everything [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► gets he sees 11-8 you can we don't [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► distract me he looks like he looks like [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► brandon routh he does yeah I get like [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► it's like I like branded I like brandon [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► routh better which is saying something [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► and yeah you know it's like he didn't [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► want to do it so they found look alike [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► and brandon routh could use the work [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► yeah we can do incidentally he was on [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► Chuck a couple years ago is really good [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► on Chuck I like the mind but he you know [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► this is this guy is kind of like I don't [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► know so far in one episode I found him [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► kind of uninspiring and I I like I mean [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► I like the sort of the sidekick guy the [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► stylus we realized yeah yeah I like him [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► I thought he was pretty good a lot of [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► the other carrier i mean the other [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► characters don't really stand out that [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► the partner generic partner right you [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► know there's the obligatory twist [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► yeah I don't know any it's interesting [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► there's there's an interesting potential [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► here it's certainly a lot darker there [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► were little things that bothered me I my [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► favorite little bizarre plot point of [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► course being the the girl goes out [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► jogging and drops her ipod when she gets [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► murdered and then they they go look for [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► 12 hours later is playing the same like [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► what happened with that he likes the [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► Eurythmics so much it was on repeat one [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► song exactly the only song you should [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► listen to brew your android / yeah [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► that's some battery life too [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► yeah well grapple yeah we all just [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► thinking the same to any other Apple [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► they're really like oh yeah I know [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► exactly what model headphones are you [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► dig that [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah okay good but it was probably [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► get a bunch of Apple nervous watching [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► the show also if you're gonna be a crazy [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► supernatural killer don't hum the song [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► that your victim was listening to when [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► you're talking to the police that was a [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► weird revealed for me because i did not [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► quite pick it up but yeah it's coming on [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► it's strange that the partner is the one [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► who picks it up like now I didn't [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► understand why they gave that discovery [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► to him maybe this is to show them the [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► Grimm is going to need to be schooled [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► both in regular police work and in the [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► supernatural police work [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► it's good at anything he is incompetent [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► all fronts [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► well he kinda is he will use the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► audience standing that's the whole point [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► is is you always have one in every show [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► who's the neophyte or the the newbie and [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► groom had a great line when so that the [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► guy who abducted the girl hasn't has her [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► in his basement and he's very creepy and [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► he's walking out party turns exactly [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► turn sir it says would you like a [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► chicken pot pie [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► because you look at nigger up they say [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► lyrics like oh no it's what I really [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► like is how the blue bars are like we [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► see red hood we can't help it that's [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► just power wired I thought that was [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► really nice [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► yeah there's that there's a nice a nice [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► bit where his the guy who he drops in [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► who is obviously going to be his like [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► advisor into the supernatural world [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► who's the good character and funny and I [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► kept waiting for him to turn to to the [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► to the grim guy and say dude and he [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► finally did those like there it is [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► there's the dude he's that kind of guy [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► he's the dude sidekick but he said I [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► can't go any further because crazy I if [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► I get too close we become like a pack [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► and you know i gotta turn around and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► it's not like moment of like I can't go [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► with you any further now you're on your [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► own [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► I like that and to John's point that the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► guy who loves Buffy would like would [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► like the show it's true i mean it's got [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► a lot of the same pieces and i turned my [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► wife while we were watching it and I [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► said into every generation one man is [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► born he is the grim the advertisement a [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► tentpole now I mean is it is a [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► suggestion basically that they're all [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► descended from the Brothers Grimm Grimm [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► yes that's what is that that's kind of [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► lame so the the buffy essence part of it [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► for me was as soon as i saw an old lady [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► like in Congress combat where you have [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► someone who you don't perceive to be [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► like a warrior temper is like high [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► school girl or a cancer-stricken and [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► whips out you know starts doing this [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► ninja combat everything you ever got [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► knives and stuff that's a hundred [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► percent Bobby what was missing from this [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► there was in buffy is Joss Whedon and [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► snappy dialogue i right that wasn't that [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► was nowhere to be found which is [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► probably why i like it felt more like [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► Angel a little bit then like Buffy [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► friends and I think I i think it was [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► better written in this by far [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► well I didn't say it wasn't I just said [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► it's more a tailor talisman from our [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► pilot yeah the pilots are pilots are not [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► always good but the tone of angel was [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► much more in line with this the darker [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► and a little bit less funny then then [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► the Buffy I think it's a closer analog [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► one thing this had that Buffy didn't [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► have was the ability to if not scared [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► then at least startled so I was watching [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► this with my wife and just I told her [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► what the premise of the show was i think [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► i just i was like the brothers grimm or [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► whatever and you know like the first [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► little jump jolt thing with jogger in [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the beginning startled her enough to [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► make your contacts come out haha [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► that should be a scale yeah that in [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► addition to like he was holding [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► something and just like she was startled [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► many times about the show and it [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► definitely I'm that's cheap like the [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► thing that jumps out at you but at least [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► it did that effectively writers and [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► producers of grim you may want to quote [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► from this episode of the uncomfortable [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► it's made her contacts fly out of her i [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► and that's not you know so that shows [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► like within the first minute they had [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► yet they had your attention and they did [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► you know the cheap little boots care but [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► hey I'll take you know an effective [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► cheap little boost Karen the thing that [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► was pointing out of it was like they [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► want to do a light-hearted tone with the [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► sidekick guy was like AI mama we're both [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► to it on the cool guy who'd but they [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► also wanted to have they also want to [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► have like look at the scary person with [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► the bad cg face right that I don't know [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► how they're going to balance that well [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► but I really think that what the show [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► would meet but the show's needed this is [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► writing is as good as Buffy had it [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► doesn't have that now i don't know if [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► the other the other factors can make up [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► for it well I guess I kept looking for [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► in sort of the not just a dialogue with [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► the structure of the episode i was i [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► found myself looking for the someone in [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► his life who is inevitably turns out to [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► be one of these creatures or in league [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► with the real thing the White House [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► buddy was like but I look I was waiting [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► for the carpet there's that one they did [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► this really weird shot right after he [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► like finds the little girl underneath [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► the living room they sort of do this we [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► chat with the partner stepping back and [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► I'm like oh my God he's gonna like turn [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► around and bring ya like a gun on him [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► and I was like wow that would be a viet [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► creepy turn or I thought the like the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► fiancé might might turn out to be evil [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► I honestly think that because that would [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► have been yeah they kind of had a shot i [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► think we shot her too i felt like that [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► hinted at that too but you didn't quite [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► playoff and said those edited the reveal [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► the end who really was the you know [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► mhm but I I don't know I mean I maybe [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► i'll watch the second episode I felt [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► better about it that is like i said then [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► I did about once upon time but it was [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► still you know it's still mixed bag for [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► yes of the current and the new fairytail [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► based hour-long show and Korean is [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► number one in my Park [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► yeah it turned you know watching up [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► watching pilots you the first hurdle is [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► can i watch through it to the end and [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► then second hurdle is what i watch [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► another episode and once upon a time I [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► was like maybe i watch another episode [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► because I gotta do a podcast about it [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the grip grammy was was yeah watch [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► another episode of that again it was not [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► like I'm I'm floored this is the best [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► thing I've seen in years it was more [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► like that that was better than I [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► expected and worth worth some more of my [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► time palatable palatable you can put [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► that on the poster got some potential [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► you know got some potential worth worth [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► investigating further so yeah I think so [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► oh and Scott red summed it up of the to [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► go grim exactly so violent yeah i was [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► gonna watch the once upon a time thing [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► for the podcast but then I saw the groom [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► is also in the list and I i surmise that [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► grim would be the better institution [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► well once I watch it I could I could not [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► bring myself to watch the other like how [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► can watch another fairy tales that just [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► looks awful [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► so I'm glad to hear that yeah I like [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► senses are we even those of us who don't [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► think it was awful i don't think i would [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► service was good but let's talk about a [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► person of interest [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► this is a this is a show that is a [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► procedural in some ways but it it's um [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► it's got the premise is that there's a [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► guy mr. Finch who's played by Ben liner [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► sent Los Michael Emerson and and Ben [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► Linus is off the island now and he's [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► built a computer that the the government [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► uses to spy on everybody but he's like [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► put a backdoor in it so that the names [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► of people who are going to die or be [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► killed or or kill or something related [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► to death will be emailed to him every [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► day so that he can try and stop their [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► deaths it's a bizarre kind of premise [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► but in the end it's the setup is there [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► so that the that he and jim caviezel [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► Jesus himself jim caviezel Casey Casey [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► wheel in in in skirt [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► whoo that's AC it's true you can insert [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► themselves into the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► people's lives and either you know [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► prevent them from killing somebody or [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► prevent them from being killed [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► um it's a weird premise I love Michael [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► Emerson and in this he is you know he's [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► got streets got a limp in the flashbacks [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► he doesn't have a limp there's mystery [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► about who he is and why he's there and [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► what his history is so I like him and I [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► you know I have to say i like i like [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► caviezel even though i don't like I find [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► him kind of bland and other things i [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► like them in this I don't think he's [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► like eric roberts or something i'll go [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► but i mean like a lie i think he crosses [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► effectively menacing no i don't know i [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► don't see I don't like it because I [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► think he's more [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► he's a little too much of a cipher I [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► wanted a little more he's warming up the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► interplay with him Michael Emerson is [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► getting a little bit better but in a [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► pilot especially he's just like the guy [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► who shows up and beat the crap outta [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► here and not he just doesn't seem to [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► have much of a personality of its own so [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► I think he's a liability [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► well see i kind of figured they would [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► flush that out of me not you know they [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► gave me to write write write but I mean [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► I kind of enjoyed watching Abby that [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► first scene where he beats the crap out [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► of the punk kids who are just sort of [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► you know over the scotsman ridiculous on [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► the subway but yeah but it'sit's you [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► know it's the kind of that's the kind of [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► people you want to see get there get the [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► crap beat out of them right after [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► supplies think about that yeah exactly i [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► think it's shot ya know I kind of enjoy [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► so bad the show the two shows that this [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► show reminds me of one is vengeance [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► unlimited yeah which I know you love [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► which was a mighty fine show and the [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► other see equalizer which I loved with [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► Edward who was the UX by who now just [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► barges into people's lives when they're [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► in trouble and beat the crap out of the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► mean people who are trying to hurt them [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► and i love i love that show because it [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► was menacing and it was kind of like New [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► York the threatening side of New York [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► and then this guy comes in and he he [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► will just use all the tools at his [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► disposal to destroy the bad people who [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► are trying to hurt other people and I [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► love that about that show and that's [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► that's the thing that i do like about [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► person of interest ya got that feeling [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► to it yeah i mean but vengeance [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► unlimited by the way hadn't had more of [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► a sense of humor than the show does i [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► was a little bit i was a little bit [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► ambivalent about this show I didn't want [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► to like it I didn't want it to succeed [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► because because i thought it [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► if it succeeds then we'll never see odd [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► jobs which is just plan show with with [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► with very honest and John Locke yes [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► stereo and that sounded like an awesome [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► show and I'm a little depressed about [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► that yeah so but but turns out turns out [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► this is this is actually pretty good and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► you know it i think we're what five or [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► six episodes into this thing and I [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► haven't seen that many of them by I've [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► seen water a pilot but I watched the [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► pilot was enough to at least convince me [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► to give the next one shot [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► well it is worth giving a shot and it [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► turns out there there are some some [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► other conspiratorial threads that are [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► moving through it's not just it's not [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► just about the backgrounds of of Emerson [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► and and caviezel characters there's also [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► some things happening that some of that [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► some of the cases that they've been on [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► some of that some of these numbers that [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► they've that they've taken on and and [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► some of these people that they've [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► they've saved or or taken out turns out [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► there there have been implications to [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► some of the things that they've done [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► sort of unforeseen consequences which is [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► always very interesting so grace the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► numbers are bad [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► well yeah well I although i have to do [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► it not come for a4a out-of-left-field [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► plot twist in the pilot which is just I [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► don't know I looked it soon as it [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► happened i can see like all right I see [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► what you're gonna do here and yet i [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► thought back to earlier in the episode [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► notes like this doesn't really make any [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► sets like you just kind of did that to [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► be look surprised [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah and and I remain at the end [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► of that my wife turned to me and said if [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► they do that every week this isn't gonna [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► work but they don't know what's going on [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► is good and it's actually pretty smart [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► but in it may be that there are there [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► are other powers at work here that you [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► know that have not been revealed and so [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► there's a lot to the show that that's [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► worth watching I think you're you're you [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► there's something what you say Jason [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► that Caviezel as characters a little bit [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► there's a little bit of a little bit of [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► a cipher but I grab I sort of think he's [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► just like a kind of brick that is yeah [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► old people but i think i think little by [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► little we're getting to know him a [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► little bit better and and so it it it [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► keeps you wanting to cum it keeps you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► wanting to come back for more at least [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► it does for us and so we enjoy it i mean [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► it's it's a lot of fun and and I but i [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► do think you're right i mean Emerson's [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► character so tremendously watchable he's [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► just you know the guy that you never [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► mean he really kind of makes the show [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► but it's got its got action and by the [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► way they're not a bit i think it's a [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► native is it it's an eight o'clock show [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► I think I don't know better not the time [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► anymore yeah I don't either a dismal [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► just it just materializes a firearm with [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► my DVR but it but there you know people [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► get killed in the show and yeah y-yeah [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► how many people get shot up I was like [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► this is very interesting because i find [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► it especially coming from a perspective [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► as a writer having a likable or at least [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► relatable protagonist who kind of [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► indiscriminately kills people is really [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► hard because selected from the knees [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► right forget sometimes that you're still [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► in the head [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► yeah right and I mean it so it's like [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► you know that's that to me is that is a [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► bold choice and I think that's if you're [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► gonna I mean you want to back that up [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► right like you want to have it shouldn't [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► feel cartoony it should have [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► consequences you should feel dangerous [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► and should feel kind of brutal and if [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► you're gonna do something with the [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► character along that lines that's very [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► interesting to me because I think that's [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► something you wrestle with is he having [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► a protagonist who is willing to cross [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► that line but if it's just comes off as [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► to like you know pretty close always [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► just you know just kill people that they [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► have no meaning right like dat that is [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's all the 18 no one ever [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► dies neil on right now that the car [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► would blow up and maybe find yeah i mean [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► but it is it is eight it is a show with [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► it loses weight right [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah right any other thoughts about [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► person of interest [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► well speaking as someone who was [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► watching prime suspect thinking this [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► person of interest [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► haha can be easily if you wore a hat [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► examined was blonde I have no opinion of [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the show but i will say prime suspect is [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► entertaining i was very confused when i [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► was watching the pilot because I I [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► wanted to watch whatever a person of [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► interest because people on Twitter all [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► the nerds I follow on twitter we're [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► talking about it was like I should watch [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► that ship so I watched the episode of [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► private sector house which was unrelated [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► and i watch it was like this is a good [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► police procedural you know the one that [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► has a attitude and she's dealing with [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► sexism on the police that's interesting [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► but why are all these people talking [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► about it on twitter i was very confused [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► then I realized i'm an idiot yes [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► watching the wrong show [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► that's that's my thought process was [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► fine but it was one of those shows that [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► I you know I I don't need a police [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► procedural and yet another police [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► procedural in my life I just don't you [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► know but it was fine because Maria Bello [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► is in that she's good but she's good [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► yeah and she has a hat she does have [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► she's an aggressive hat i like how a [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► personal and that show i like how they [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► drink so much I like that a lot to do [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► and I also I'll i also like the fact [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► that most of the other people on on that [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► squad or sort of halfway incompetent [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► yeah that's great you know that the [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► video that their le clerc's they'll try [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► to frame people you know because they [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► know i like this guy for this murder so [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► I think we should just you know if I [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► like that sort of thing that there's you [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► know it's it's kind of a path of least [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► resistance sort of bureaucratic thing [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► that I did strikes me is constant [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► realistic so it's kind of a neat show i [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► don't know and i think it's interesting [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► that the you-know-whats the bellows [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► character she's like okay I think that [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► the suspect is this guy and clearly if [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► you're intelligent [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► it is in fact that guy it makes sense [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► and other people like your girl what do [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► well i mean i think that was one of the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► challenges I mean obviously this is [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► based on a really long and running [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► british series with Helen Mirren because [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► magnet i think the early nineties and [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► you know where the Queen solves crime [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► yes the little corgis and i think you [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► know i was one of the criticisms I heard [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► of it was just people talking about the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► fact that well you know not that that [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► the sexism is an interesting angle but [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► also that you know the the arguably the [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► world of of 20 years ago is a bit [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► different than the world of today in [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► some regards but i mean i don't know i [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► didn't i didn't watch the pilot and I [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► I'd i do have fond memories of the [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► senior the the earlier one shouldn't [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► even be called prime suspect is it [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► really has nothing in common [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► I it other than those a woman who's a [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► detective right i mean and that's you [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► know that's that's to the better in some [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► ways i know that a lot of times the [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► American chose do better when they take [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► a departure from the acceleration but [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► that's such a honored kind of series [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► that that it yeah it seems kinda weird [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► day and i'm not quite sure what it [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► really has some common but you know but [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► it's fine we should we should move on i [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► believe somebody wanted to talk about [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► american horror story which i think is [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► on FX which is from the from the people [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► who brought you those fresh face kids [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► glee [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► so tell me about tell me about american [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► horror story because i have not seen it [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► and I don't know anything about it other [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► than that [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► that your coach mrs. coaches in it [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► miss yeah oh yeah she's not very mrs. [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► kochi here on the premises that Dad [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► dylan mcdermott and mrs. kochi are Tami [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► Taylor what's your actual name [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► Oh Connie Britton bring him all right [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► yes they're there a couple who are on [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► the outs with one another [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► she apparently had a third trimester [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► miscarriage last stillbirth that she's [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► still recovering from physically and [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► psychologically he solved his grief by [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► plunging into the arms and other parts [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► of an undergrad and so their marriage [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► has been under a great deal of strain [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and they decided the best thing to do is [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► to subject themselves to another one of [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► life's most stressful events which is a [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► cross-country location with the sulky [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► teenage daughter they end up at this [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► huge neo Victorian monstrosity in Los [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► Angeles jessica lange is their body next [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► door neighbor who says really hateful [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► things about the disabled to her [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► daughter who happens to have down [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► syndrome and [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► over the course of a couple episodes you [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► discover that the house in which mrs. [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► coach and silicon or silicon live is [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► simply packed with ghosts [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► um it's supposed to be horrifying I [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► suppose with the title big American [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► Horror Story and all but really the show [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► is just so far around around the bend [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that it's it's it's it's kind of a black [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► comedy because just when you think that [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► it can't get any more ludicrous and that [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► people cannot act any less like human [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► beings actually act along comes [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► something else and you're like okay okay [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► we have just moved often incomplete have [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► just moved beyond the boundaries of of [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► the odd things like that include jessica [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► lange making epic cupcakes and sending [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► over as a housewarming gift and then [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► swatting about the same house small [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► giving dramatic monologues about the [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► deficiencies of her children [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► dylan mcdermott goes jogging with a guy [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► who burned his family to death in the [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► nineteen seventies and the guy he's [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► handing him headshots to check out [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► because he wants to be an actor [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► there's some weird fetal pig thing that [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► lives in the basement and terrifies [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► people it's just the only there's a guy [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► in a gimp suit running around the house [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► too but apparently no one notices him [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► let me ask let me ask let me ask perhaps [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► what is the what is the like elephant in [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► the room question why don't they move [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► they can't that they get the address in [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► one episode where they haven't they have [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► no money apparently moving west [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► bankrupted them and since he's a psycho [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► you know what's gonna buy that house [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► exactly their mortgages underwater and [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► covered in board and haunted [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► yes that'sthat's basically that's [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► basically the premise to go with his own [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► words it's the real estate markets in [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► such a dramatic downturn is no one will [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► ever move into this place so also Connie [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Britton her character is pregnant and [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► they're pretty sure the father is the [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► ghost camp so that the fetus is [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► apparently conspired to keep them in the [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► house too and it's just um wow so yeah I [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► i could not want to watch this show any [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► less than I do right now it is like [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► someone took it as like Ryan Murphy was [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► like okay I need a dartboard and on that [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► dartboard you should have every [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► ridiculous horror cliché that has ever [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► been in any movies the last 30 years and [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► this week I want someone to hand me a [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► quiver of 10 darts i'm going to throw [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► them at [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► bored and whatever it lands on were [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► putting it in this episode it's just it [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► is ludicrous [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► it is a madcap this is like I think [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► grant morrison would be like this is a [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► little much guys [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► maybe maybe lay off of Chris and madcap [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► i'm watching on hulu since our DVR is [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► always full anyway i'm watching hulu so [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► I'm granted i'm a week behind and I [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► understand the halloween to partner is [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► really kind of an eye krauser but this [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► is something where if you get a chance [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► to watch it and and you're in the mood [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► to laugh yourself silly and and have [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► something that makes absolutely no sense [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► whatsoever so you're watching it for the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► for the for the last value basically yes [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► yes I am [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► ok so noted so American Horror Story got [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► it i'm going to steer clear that one [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► yeah mmm yeah oh I didn't even mention [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► there's that the rigor shows with with [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► sarah michelle gellar that's awful [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► anyone watch that I watched it [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► let's get Buffy in it it's really bad oh [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► alright good i don't want to get then [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► it's really bad this [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► no it's it's it's terrible but but she [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► doesn't go to the Hamptons but she does [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► go out on a boat and it's the worst [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► green screen effect you've ever seen [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► she's based on the soup it was hilarious [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► it's it she's like it's like she's [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► standing in front of a painting of the [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► sea on a boat and pretending to rock and [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► then she falls in at the falling in it's [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► like somebody has a cup of water that [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► they throw back out it's just it it [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► appeared to be you know I don't know if [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► they had a it was like a high school [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► play it was delightful and but the TV [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► critics so I had got that in there in [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► their little advanced looking and I know [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► a couple TV critics who actually called [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► the network and said you're gonna fix [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► the special effects right there like oh [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► yeah we are [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► it'll be better and then that it was not [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► it was the same thing she's just in [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► front of a backdrop [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► wow that's a while it's about it's it's [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► it's overly complicated and weird and [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► bad and again bad use of twins and split [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► screens and things and oh it's bad so [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► I'm sorry I even brought it up now quite [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► frankly other than that I wanted to beat [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► it up and now i will say good news [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► well we were recording this happen to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► browse a [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► a TV news site and found that we will [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► have once upon a time to kick around all [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► co got a couple seasons in order know so [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► i wanted to mention before we talked [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► briefly about returning shows i wanted [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► to mention one other show that I don't [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► believe anybody here saw so I'm going to [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► recap it for you [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► having not seen it which is a gifted man [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► this is a show that's on a belief CBS on [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► Friday nights all you need to know about [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► the gifted man is it's the ghost [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► whisperer crossed with medium though [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► which are essentially the same show but [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► i believe in fact that was the premise [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► of the show is that the demands dead [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► wife comes back and helps himself how [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► he's a doctor he's a doctor assets the [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► yes that's that show it's not it's not [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► person of interest Scott [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► my wife will like this show so it's like [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► the ghost whisperer except without [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► cleavage [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► well the ghost has the cleavage this [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► time and i believe the ghost is is [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► Jennifer ely from Pride and Prejudice I [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► i heard about the show but I watched [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► prime suspect instead I'm surprised your [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► wife hasn't made you watch the show [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► Scott don't make don't let her don't let [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► her know that it's on [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► yeah she's been out of town so but i'm [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► sure what she hears about it he'll watch [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► it also also starring patrick wilson is [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► the main character who's in the watchman [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► among other thing is the gifted man of [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► media for a he's a gifted man Jason he's [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► not necessarily the only one but he's [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► well he's the gifted man of the title [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► but that's a gifted man like this and [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► how is he in [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► yeah / / he's over rot he been and you [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► didn't say anything you've seen a gifted [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► man I yeah just come on out it out saw [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► the pilot hated it [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► this like four episodes queued up on the [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► DVR and I'm and I'm every not a day goes [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► by where I'm not tempted to just delete [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► them but then my way and generate and [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► then I would be killed in my sleep i'm [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► going to be killed in my sleep and write [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► in any event because before you die you [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► just delete them up and then the ghost [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► whisperer will talk to you [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► yeah but gifted man because over rotten [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► terrible don't watch it [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► ok don't watch tonight did I mention a [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► new show that i forgot that is [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► yeah he's right is it by sunset that's [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► it is in fact started redline us as the [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► prime suspect [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► no it's not it's a prime suspect but it [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► is a show that i didn't think i would [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► like a because it's on stars and [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► generally stars his boss it is boss i'm [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► really not have a boss boss is so good [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► it's a kelsey grammer and it wasn't in [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► like the first two minutes because you [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► see kelsey grammer anything look it's [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► dr. Frasier great but within 22 minutes [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► of watching this [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► he's not Frasier Crane he is this crazy [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► scheming really mean mayor of Chicago [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► who has found out that he has a [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► neurological disease and he's he has to [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► kind of keep it from everyone [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► it's just a fantastic show this is this [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► is a this appeals to the political [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► science geek in me this is like the [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► deadwood was another show like that [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► which resolves deadline which had a lot [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► of things going on but ultimately it was [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► that was a that was a show for you know [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► political philosophy geeks and and [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► bosses a little bit like that too and i [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► just i saw that we watched the first [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► episode of that and i told i told my [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► wife this is my favorite show in the [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► universe right now because it's got [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► because you know in and you know all the [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► hype leading up to the show by the way [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► and they went out of their way to say [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► Kelsey Grammer is not Richard Daley even [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► though there's been an office for 18 [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► years and he's the most powerful man in [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► the seas not Richard they are going to [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► do the total innocence [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► I mean the power dynamics that many [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► people you know that the patron image [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► that the horse trading there's a city [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► council meeting in the first episode [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► where he this is the whole thing going [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► on where they're trying the which is [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► based partly on a true story by the way [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► where the city is trying to expand [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► o'hare airport and they may find it [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► Indian burial ground there and this [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► becomes of course a huge problem because [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► you can't just dig up the Indian burial [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► ground and so there has to be so they [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► you know they have to attach this this [TS]