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imperial probe board and I'm my parents
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and other side we're gonna remember
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comfortable contest 67 November 2011 me
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welcome back to the incomparable podcast
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tonight we've got a very special episode
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its part 1 of approximately 8,000 about
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the Empire Strikes Back seconds of the
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classic Star Wars films and i gotta tell
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you we had dozens if not hundreds of
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people clamoring to be on this podcast
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and after a series of strict tests where
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people have to fill out a sheet of
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scantron forms with number two pencils
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and we we graded their essays and
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various other things happen we were left
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with three panelists joining me to
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discuss the second star wars movie of
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course the two biggest star wars nerds i
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know are here and they are damned Ouran
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High Dam
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hi Jason may the force be thank you and
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always with you and John siracusa hai
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jaan i'm ready Jason I I can feel it
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I know you're ready he was born and
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writings me a little bit
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also joining me i don't know would you
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consider yourself a star wars nerd to
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serenity called well maybe just a little
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seeing as how empires on my number one
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of all time movies list so you know well
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that's what you said on your on your
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entrance exam and that's why we admitted
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you to this episode tough competition if
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she could be turned she would be a great
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ass powerful ally because all greatness
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want to do is talk about how Star Wars
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the original was better and so he was
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rejected
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yeah I can't have that no no that's not
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constructive
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we're talking countries also is also
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wrong so you know yes uh so-so Empire
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Strikes Back 1980 second movie set the
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first movie made under lots of pressure
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who knew whether it was going to be a
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success or a flop obviously was a wild
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success and so we've got an upgraded
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budget and the knowledge that this is a
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cultural phenomenon now that goes into
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the making of this and another
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fascinating thing about this movie is
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that George Lucas the writer and
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director of the first movie is not
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credited with either of those tasks here
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that there is urban Kirchner's the
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director and although George Lucas Lucas
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has a story credit because he did
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fashion the story of Star
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Morris Leigh Brackett and lawrence
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kasdan are credited as the screenwriters
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so step back from George Lucas which i
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think is probably a a good thing so
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before that may be why it's the best
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stock course movies could be could be in
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hindsight could very well be so my goal
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i think is too i think i think we'll
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just walk through the movie
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chronologically at first because that
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worked pretty well with Star Wars and
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some of the other movies that we've done
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but before I start it is there anything
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in particular
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do you have any access to grind anything
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you'd like to bring up now before we
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dive in to the beginning of the empire
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strikes back
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anyone have some have some opening
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opening remarks yes over the chair
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recognizes the senator fight altar I i
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have a row I've rebuttal iio I did
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organize my notes according to like I
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could walk to the movie chronologically
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but I have some stuff that's at the
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beginning it's not about a specific part
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of the movie just kind of like setting
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the stage chair
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yeah so the first thing is a quote from
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that Empire Strikes Back the making of
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empire strikes back book that will
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mention that we had and we're in various
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states of flipping to and reading and it
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was a quote from i think was an
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applicable i also have the new hope one
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I remember was from but it was a second
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hand corner which was firsthand because
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will be deliciously ironic just like
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that lucrative where he talks about the
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sins of changing past works you see that
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one being the best around the internet
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so this is a slightly different one is
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second-hand books it's somebody I forget
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who it was who worked for Lucas and who
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is relaying to someone interviewing him
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i guess in the in the early eighties
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maybe right after New Hope saying what
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George always says about movies as well
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George I talked to the movies George
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always says well you know how I'm real
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estate is location location location
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where George always tells me and movies
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that script script script which is a
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hilarious court coming from the person
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responsible for some of the worst
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scripts ever created by man but my
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opening statement Empire is going to be
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that if I had to pick the number one
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reason that this movie is better than
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all the other Star Wars movies and there
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are many reasons many very important
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reasons but i'm going to have to pick
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one it would be the script and I think
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we will see as we talked about this
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movie that is one thread that runs
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through the entire thing and the other
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opening comment that i have is the fact
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that this is a middle chapter movie
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winning in the trilogy of star wars were
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forgetting about those movies that the
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first movie you know sets the stage in
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the second movie ends in the middle
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chapter has advantages and disadvantages
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now the disadvantages are obvious that
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it doesn't get to show us like a new
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stuff like hey there's such a thing as
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lightsabers in the force and x-wings
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because the first we got to do that
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right and it also doesn't get to resolve
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the conflict as well see if we go to the
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movie because then why would there ever
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be another movie so that kind of hurts
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you as the movie but the advantages are
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that we already know the characters they
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already understand the universe and I
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bet greg was here he would be having a
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whole debate about why this makes this
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really works and so on and so forth but
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i think this sets the stage for what
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we're about to go into and everything
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else in this movie that we will talk
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about kind of hinges on those things
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that this is a middle chapter movie and
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the scripture so much better than the
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other movies and yeah maybe it's because
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Lucas didn't write it and so on and so
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forth but those are my opening comments
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on Empire to add two things one thing
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that I found fascinating is it maybe I
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lewd to this on the first Star Wars
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podcast that i'm a big fan of the the
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radio drama versions of the at least the
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star wars empire which both came out
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fairly close to i think the star wars
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radio drama came out in 1980 and the
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Empire one came out like 81 or something
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and I think what was interesting was i
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remember reading a little bit of when i
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first got like the tapes that mantle
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intro and talked about the fact that
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despite empires were two in two and a
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quarter hour movie roughly there's about
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40 minutes of dialogue in that which
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always struck me you know as of such a
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fascinating fact like this is this is a
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movie that as Jon says you know the
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script is really important and does a
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really good job but it's also very
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economical there's not in that in that
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struck me watching it again is just how
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pared down and to the point a lot of it
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is and when I was sort of joking before
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we started out here about how i was
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reading the the earlier drafts that they
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quote in the making a star wars book and
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saying there were bad i think a lot of
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it is because
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they're they're really heavy and and
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like you know there's a lot of
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explication there's a lot of almost
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everything you know was trimmed down you
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can see the basic skeleton of it but
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there's all the superfluous stuff and
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you realize well that's turns out that's
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not actually necessary it and in many
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ways it's a movie that does a whole lot
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more with a whole lot less have you been
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reading my notes
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yes scarily scarily second ya well I
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tell you I don't tell you and I don't
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know it's alright i'm just talking off
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the top of my head
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alright do so well at that point we'll
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come back as we get to individual scenes
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I definitely I think it's interesting
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that you bring up the radio dramas to
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because i hadn't listened to them until
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last year and the star wars radio drama
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the New Hope radio drama has quite a few
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added scenes but the Empire drama really
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doesn't have all that much you know
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it'sit's longer certainly then the film
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but in terms of extra extra scenes and
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extra dialogue there really isn't that
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much it was like I use pretty closely
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yeah a couple really nice scenes they do
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a scene where at where yah where han and
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luke are in the tent after he's found
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him on Hoth which is kind of a great
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scene because it's that it's hot in Luke
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bickering back and they sort of started
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out being oh thanks for coming out get
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me but as the you know the night goes on
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and where's in today and they're not
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sure if they're gonna make it they start
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bickering and its really great banter
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they do the brian daly who wrote the
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scripts for all three of those and as
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well as the sum of the Han Solo novels
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did a really fantastic job of capturing
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the tone perfectly it shows their
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friendship very well the thing about
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empire that I think makes it for me and
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especially because it's a middle chapter
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and you think about middle chapter
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movies or just mill chapters in general
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I mean there's a lot of expectation
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there it's really hard to tell that kind
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of a story
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the thing that makes empire so great at
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least in my book is that it's very
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cleanly in a certain way setup as three
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distinct stories throughout the course
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of the film and they're almost like
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their little individual short stories
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built within this greater universe that
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happened to tie together so it's almost
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like for a certain extent you could
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watch just the database section you can
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watch just the cloud City section it
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almost feels very closely to the Flash
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cereals that you know start horses he's
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back together being yeah they're
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vignettes and I but there they are done
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so nicely whereas New Hope is very much
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an overarching story and they don't have
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quite those segments quite as well built
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i think the way Empire builds those in
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addition to the dialogue which I agree
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with both John and Dan and also the the
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fact with the script is it's not even so
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much the dialogue it's what's not said
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and the way the story is built without
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over explicate is just less is more
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let's see how we can communicate this
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without speaking for two pages about how
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you know how we must find the rebels or
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anything
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no it just happens I've seen this movie
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countless times and in watching begin in
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preparation for this podcast and taking
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notes so i actually watched it with my
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kids know every time you watch movie you
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notice I ideally you notice something
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everything but they're saying because it
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almost walking in space yeah it's almost
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like screwball forties kinda well kind
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of your mind your mind at all my bracket
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don't know how much that carries over
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from the stuff that she does because I'm
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sure jonel will note that she you know a
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lot of her early draft stuff was sort of
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overwritten that her spirit sort of like
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the boot
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script writer but I get the impression
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override re write a script by a famous
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screenwriter that you
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you're gonna in the back of your mind
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have respect for where they're coming
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from you know what i mean and you're not
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going to rewrite it to be something
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totally different adjusting your own
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style right so even though if it i doubt
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many words ideas reason phrases from
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bracket Scripture are still in there i
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think the spirit is still in the script
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yeah yeah definitely anyway it it does
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sparkle so I guess we should start now
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that the opening remarks portion of the
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program complete with with the the
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planet hoth which to start out i think i
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can take a shot here which is just that
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you we we have reached the latest in a
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ongoing series of single climate planets
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alliance with all one ecosystem yeah but
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uh but i love the contrast here where we
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where we start so much of Star Wars
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beginning is about Tatooine that you
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know desert planet with two sons and the
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waist desert waste lands and here we
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have the the polar opposite it is
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freezing and icy and miserable in a
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completely different way which is uh it
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just always struck me as being such a
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such a strange way to start it because
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it really does send the message like
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this is not a place you saw in that
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movie right because so many people going
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into this move the expectations of
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having seen that first movie a million
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times like going back to the theater and
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seeing it again and again and again and
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the first thing you see in this movie
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you know when you get to Hoth is it menu
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you see the probe come down all that but
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it's just it's like nothing that was in
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the previous movie and it really does a
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great job I think of setting your
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resetting your expectations saying that
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you think you know this story but you
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don't but one of the things that's
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fascinating is that the the opening shot
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is in some ways very much animals to the
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first movie which is it also opens with
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a Star Destroyer is right we get that
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same sort of you know pan and then we're
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very quickly taken away to Hoth which I
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agree you know there is a stark contrast
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when I was a kid I think maybe it was
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just that that you know I think I said
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the service podcast again that you know
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when I was a kid like my cousin's we
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come visit and we we rent a Star Wars
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that Empire was the one that we saw the
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least and in some ways that made it the
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most special and there was something
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about that like that unusualness to it
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that that is always made it one of my
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favorites even though I've seen it you
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know I'm teen million times now
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something about that holds with me i
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think it is that idea of like you know
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it's so different you know the both the
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in Return of the Jedi in Star Wars we
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will spend a lot of time on Tatooine
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right miss desert in hot climates and
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then we've got you know and/or and what
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have you invented but this is cold it's
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very different everybody's wearing
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different clothes right because they're
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all bundled up there is a whole
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different environment they're really
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being put upon by this by this world
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it's a very hostile world really write
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in a different way from Tatooine a lot
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of this star wars movies for these
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people closer to Jason and my age and I
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can't stand to like we saw these movies
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where a particular age and if we could
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see them when we were a bit older and
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more jaded and cynical having the sequel
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open ice planet after movie where you
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opened on a desert planet would be like
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this that mean the same way Jason
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introduced it all you know well single
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climate plants are in videogame parlance
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like this the ice world that the lava
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world you know the forest world or the
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forest level it's it's a cliche and it's
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not that interesting but if you see this
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movie when you're you know 10 years old
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there are or 11 years old after coming
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off of star wars that that move that
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pretty mundane and now extremely you
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know play it out move like what we do
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the desert planet let's do the ice
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planet comes out of nowhere to hit you
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and like you you're not expecting up so
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you're not educated enough to not jaded
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enough to see it as a cliché you don't
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you and the fact that they opened on the
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starter story like alright Star Wars if
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you would ask the kid in a year old
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version of me like how do you think the
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next door is going to open well I better
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be in space and the x-wing looks gonna
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be flying around so they open space like
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he was going to get moving like ice
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planet and just from that point on you
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you are knocked off balance has a small
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kid now maybe as an adult you get it
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doesn't work but like all I can't see
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this movie not as seeing it as a kid and
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to me it's one of the more brilliant
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sequel openings it's not it's not
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hammering over the head because I can
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imagine like iron man 3 opens and you
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think our man it's cool
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and everything but he's really imagine i
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came out of nowhere you know with is not
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that it would be loosely but like yeah
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so it just works and I i have a very
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difficult time being objective about
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this movie because I know how well it
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worked on me as a kid and to this day
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like I tried to look critically and I
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said they just did that they went out
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and doing the ice planet or whatever and
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I shot the grass and no they it works
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it's not too heavy handed
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it's a cliché a bit now but in in
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context it worked and it still does it
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puts the rebellion
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talked about in fact this title of the
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second episode is Death Star university
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about how they they get the you know
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that they they they take the plans back
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and suddenly they're on this forest moon
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pillars and it's like there's a college
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campus and they're learning about the
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death star and it's it always struck me
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as being weird
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alliance in a much better way which is
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to say they're on the run
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does this to their on the run they've
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split up into different groups this
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group including our friends from the
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last movie is on this miserable ice ball
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in these kind of dugout you know this
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dugout structure that that is
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claustrophobic and they're under assault
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and the rip the Empire's really mad now
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because they blew up the Death Star and
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is looking for them and I think I think
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there's that too that it's really
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effective in saying you know these are
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rebels they are up against a huge flow
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they are not like laying back at Death
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Star university having a good time
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they're on the run and in fact as the
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movie progresses this base that we see
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they're basically like what we gotta go
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because they don't write and and they've
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just finished setting out unless they
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gotta go so I like that what it says
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about the rebellion just saying that the
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it is it is not a comfortable life that
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these guys are they are in a civil war
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yeah they're they're on their back foot
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we talk about being the middle it's the
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second act right and the job with the
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writer in the second act is you know I
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just heard someone say this time it
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slipped my mind here but you put the the
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characters in the worst position they
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could possibly be in right now
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we have from the get-go that's how we
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start we start with the rebellion in
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trouble on the run
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you know and the thing that you know to
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take that a step further
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we've got our hero right Luke Skywalker
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out yeah I blew up the Death Star he's
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going to be a Jedi's he's probably
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pretty badass by now what's the first
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thing that happens to him he gets crap
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kicked out from bio wapo right like you
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know it's only downhill from there
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and so I think that it definitely resets
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all of our expectations when you have
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these certain like well I we're gonna be
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riding high after blowing up the Death
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Star and everything right no turns out
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if things got a lot worse and so I I
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think that definitely sets the tone for
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the entire movie and and the fact that
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this is all just prelude to the that
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inevitable climax and there are riding
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on animals which is like low-tech yeah
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he was writing a text when i was writing
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an ugly and none of their stuff works
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the Millennium Falcon doesn't work they
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can't get the speeders to work like not
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doing well so my first note here is
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actually literally the first thing I
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wrote down is on such a girl
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all he wants is a hint from Leia that
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she likes him but but it is charming it
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is so incredibly charming when we meet
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Han Solo he he's bantering with leia but
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it's so clear especially as an adult
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looking at it but it's so clear that
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that you know he he loves her and he's
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trying to get her to do anything to
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crack her tough exterior to admit
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anything it really it's like give me a
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reason to stay in a way that I never as
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a kid never really read it this way but
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you give me a reason to stay your
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worshipfulness and she won't do it
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well your highness just this is
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that's right
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we'll get all mushy on me so long
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princess
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yes your business I thought you had
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decided to stay
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well the body hundred we ran into a
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Norman Delta from ipod we need you we
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need yes what about you
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I'm I don't know what you're talking
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probably do precisely am I supposed to
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come I wanted to stay because of the way
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you feel about your right how was your
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natural leader
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no that's not it
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come on imagining things
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mi then why are you following me right
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now is gonna leave without giving you a
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goodbye kiss kiss into some lucky i can
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arrange that could use a good care of it
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was also interesting and apropos what we
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were just saying about how it's you know
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we in the first movie in such a
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wonderful condition and we start in such
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a miserable one is that you know Hans
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out the door at the beginning of this
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movie he's he's saying goodbye he's
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getting out the bounty hunters are after
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him he's taken off and that's also
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really interesting to think about that
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where we start
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han is back to sort of where he was
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before he decided to go save Luke which
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is I gotta get out of out of this place
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you know you rebels are great and all
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but I'm out of here and then the only
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thing that'll make him stay is either
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his friendship with Luke which is what
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ends up doing it or if the princess will
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give him any sign and she won't which i
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think is great i have to give a minor a
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minor nitpick and this is one of the
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things that you know it's bugged me
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somewhat in in the past viewings and
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this one is just I I wish I didn't feel
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so bad about it but that seemed that he
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has with the with general right in when
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he first comes back
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there's there's something so weird about
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the pacing of that he's like yeah please
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tell you things but i gotta go like this
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and we talked about you know the how
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fascinating i like is it comes out of
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nowhere that is a really weird
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transition bored sometimes phones in a
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scene yet that was a little strange in
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all those movies and every once in
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awhile to be fair my favorite one of my
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favorite lines from this movie which is
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a terrible line is death marks not an
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easy thing to live with like all da
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happy every time I hear that now my call
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we could have we could have but a death
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mark easy to live with no because it's a
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death mark they're gonna kill you yeah i
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don't know i didn't sound very
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frustrating right trying to justify that
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was like well that's ok solo you're you
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know you're not a miserable traitor and
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coward your you got a death mark alright
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I I i feel ya
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I get where you're coming from there
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you know he's trying and failing and
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there's this little I mean you know also
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that that's fine sit to mind he's out
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the door I mean what a thing no no and
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that's great first time we see our
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friends after three years rite aid the
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way this movie was initially released
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him it is i think in-store dollars a
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year since storyline to yes which I love
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that they hinted that too is that one
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he's got a throwaway line you know with
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layout that bounty hunter and Ord
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Mantell changed my change my mind you
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know and I and I i love that vary
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because it hints at all these other all
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they're all these various in between we
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don't know about but he's out but the
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fact that he's out the door that he's
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like I'm taking off
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it's so shocking it's like go but our
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friends were we just we just started the
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movie you go that's a good economy of
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plot points to because it's so I think
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in this one move where he says he has to
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leave they get to start establishing the
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the handle a relationship right they get
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to briefly established that he was a
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valued member of the rebellion after
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this kind of deciding to turn back at
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the end of a new hope and they get to
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reestablish that he's being chased by
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bounty hunters will become significantly
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later in the movie and all that in I
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mean it's like you know two seconds
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worth of the on screen footage this is
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necessary entire movie yes it did it
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they don't have to have a separate point
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they don't have a separate sheen scene
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where he's being chased by a bounty
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hunter they don't have a separate scene
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where he's talking with the general
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about why you should stay they don't
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have to have a separate seen talking
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with Princess layout about you know i
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mean it's it's economical as we say but
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again i just love I thought I think it's
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just absolutely adorable that that mrs.
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how r i read up on watching it now which
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is just he he so wants to get a reason
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to stay and and played just for whatever
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reason she still want to give it to
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think back to his line in the New Hope
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with like I said this is like defining
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characteristic like we talked about the
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scene and help hon is like you know I
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got your ship for you and you know man
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and blah blah blah soon as they leave
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the table turn students at these guys
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must really be desperate yeah he's like
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the sensitive is the sensitive you know
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nice guy he showed what you're seeing
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here is the this guys must really be
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desperate guy going to this girl do so
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i'm going to go and you said about that
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hunter hot has his walls just as much as
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Leia does they're just formed different
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ways and I feel like we approach
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the movie so much from Leia and Luke's
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perspective and the third party audience
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perspective that you don't really get to
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see what he's thinking and you only you
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only get it actually when you see that
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the lot like you don't notice that the
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walls come back down until it snaps back
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up was like well don't get all mushy on
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me princess you know about that was it
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that was your opening and that's your
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cue that's like oh wait no he was being
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sincere their holy yeah yeah well I mean
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I i love that again you know like like
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just saying he sort of stocks off you
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know kind of like hoping this will come
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after him right you know goes up goes
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off to find chewy I we're getting out of
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you know i say i really love Carrie
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Fisher when she's being shrill and
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yelling at him for some reason I just
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like she I don't know if she's a great
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actress I haven't really seen her may
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have seen when harry met seven star wars
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probably yeah that's about but when
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she's chasing after him down the hall
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and said yes your great pilot what like
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oh that's such a great shame she sells
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these lines it it's great dialogue and
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she sells it your view be an asset to
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the rebellion your later on my favorite
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my favorite line from her in this entire
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movie is I am NOT a committee to
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somebody that she delivers that is such
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a it's such as it seems so plausible
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just so well in this movie and it could
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just be it could just be that she's just
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carry Fisher and the fact that maybe
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she's not a good actress all she's being
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like a refresher but it is the only
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thing you seem character she's just so
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natural
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it doesn't come off as someone acting it
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doesn't come office as being trill or
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annoying it comes off as annoyed flat
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like you can read on the subject of
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everything she's saying like the fact
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that she really doesn't want to say but
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she's also being loud and I'm i just
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love it
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he's flustered as an advantage to the
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fact that this is the sequel to a movie
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everybody knew and as a result it's a it
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you know it is a movie written for them
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i mean that that that's a huge advantage
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that it is written for the actors these
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characters have been thought of and kind
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of turned over and everybody's head for
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years and the wedding
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what a great advantage that it that is
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to say I see what she did in Star Wars
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and that we can play to her strength
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although it's not where she was so all
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over the map where she had the face and
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you have the system slipping through
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your fingers and then like they decided
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to lay there like from New Hope is the
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walking in the hallway will someone get
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this walking carpet out right before
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they dive into the trash compactor that
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that's the way that's going to come in
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the Empire is to get this one that was
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the right decision
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ask the other ones were boring
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incredible in distress this stupid
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diplomat lady they want to Senator yeah
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right exactly she's much better as as
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this rebel leader you know whatever it
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is weird right because she doesn't
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exactly have this is this you can never
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quite sure the hierarchy of of half base
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right like you got this general who's in
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charge but she's kind of like revving up
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the troops or she's sitting in like one
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of those like communications chairs or
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she's running it like its into it's
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unclear in some ways but it's something
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that same time you don't really care
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yeah I like it that was one of the
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things that occurred to me as I was
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thinking about this time like what is
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your job was figured that she was gonna
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lay was like the she's she's kind of
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rebel royalty I always figured it's like
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she's really important in the overall
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rebellion but they're militarily there's
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a you know military leader of the
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installation so she's you know she's not
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the military leader but she's part of
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the leadership group but she's sort of
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like not quite the figure out either but
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she's like the head the community here
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so she's not exactly what we're gonna do
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is not ready but you see later that she
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feels a responsibility for these people
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despite her spin your head status and
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not really a military person she's the
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one staying there at the end to make
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sure everybody gets out she's the last
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one to leave and you don't you a
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figurehead wouldn't do that let's do
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that you know she's not being protected
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like the president will be whisked out
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of that we have to get you on the first
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shuttle know she's on the Left didn't
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get the last shot you because she
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personally feels responsibility for
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these people she's gonna go down with
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the ship essentially she's she's
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sticking around till the end you have to
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remember what happened to her in the
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first movie though too i mean she
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witnessed her entire planet get blown up
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and it was basically her fault so I feel
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like even though you may not have a
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military prowess and you may be you know
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19 and still little a little you know a
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little flippant and and things like that
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but that takes a certain weight onto
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your shoulders and you do whatever you
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can and of course you're going to fight
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for the people that are still here
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because you've lost so many people and
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at that point you know it's grab grab
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things we see with Lucas that he he
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spots the the probe droid crashing and
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decides to go check it out and he's he's
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whacked by a wampa and and dragged back
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down and that lightsaber is a waiver and
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that's the first point where we are
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confronted with alright and the last
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he heard the voice you didn't use the
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computer he made the shot but he had
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said he'd made that shot without the
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forest before so what's the whole deal
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with this for us we had talked about
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maybe you can you can fight stuff with
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your eyes closed and fight the little
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probe droid and makes you disappear when
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you get sliced but what the hell is this
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whole forest thing about so he's hanging
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upside down he's in peril the monsters
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coming his lightsaber is sitting 20 feet
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away from sitting in baking soda
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impossible situation right there's no
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way out how to see how does he get the
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lightsabre and what each one is are here
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too he closed his eyes you're like he's
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getting the music plays like he's gonna
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use that force thing and uh and the
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thing starts to move out and you're like
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moving things with your mind now
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depending how old you are if you've
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never read anything about telekinesis or
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any other type of thing like that or
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whatever like let you know we had a
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lightsaber like he got that in the first
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we should use that lightsabers are
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awesome but it's on the ground how is he
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gonna get it and it goes into his hand
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and that's another little window opening
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your little ten-year-old mine going
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he made the lightsaber go into his hand
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by thinking about it and then cut the
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guy in like you just like albicans your
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guys are also from a technical
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perspective i love that shot that is one
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of my favorite shots in this movie I was
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thinking about as i was watching again
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where the lightsaber starts to like
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jiggle slightly right and then we do
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this sort of like sort of up to zoom
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into the lightsaber it's subtle but it
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looks it just looks so good to give me
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chills every time I see that and then
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you see a rat a little more and a little
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more well that's that that's the moment
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where the filmmakers anticipate that
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you're going 200 before it works great
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to it it nails it nails it
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well it captures the right you know they
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could have they could have replaced that
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moment with CGI if they wanted to but
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that is something that works so well as
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a practical shot where it's that the
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uncertain jiggle where you know the
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puppeteers that are moving everything in
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the background it's just it captures it
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captures the moment that yeah them and
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the camera movement to is what really
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what gets me is there's a there's a
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great little like zoom dolly and so what
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and what happens after that to establish
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where Luke is sort of a hierarchy of
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figuring stuff out what is he doing he
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chops the arm off the thing as echo the
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first movie and then scrambles the heck
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out of there into the snow because he
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doesn't know what the heck
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doing like why wouldn't have just stayed
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in the cave he's panicking he's not he's
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not a great one he doesn't he hasn't
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killed it either right you know right
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just like online is what what he's
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pulled off here is is a narrow escape
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that he happened to you some things or
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he's not something I can kill everybody
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was on enjoyed know he's terrified is
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hanging upside down he's injured he
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wants to get out of there he does grabs
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the thing and you know it just gets out
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so you're establishing the Luke is not
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the all conquering hero but there's
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something they're going on with this is
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anybody else amazed as I constantly am
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in this movie that he doesn't get
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himself down by cutting his legs off
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because every time i would really well I
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try to figure out what happens is a
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melting the ice with the lightsaber is
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easy in a circle
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I believe we're just kind of like a is
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making a big blue flash of light and
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then ok yeah it looks like he just
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swiped it I'm like oh my god you're
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gonna cut your legs off with some
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terrorist very Christmas Story
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merry christmas story and then so now
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he's out in the snow and i have a quick
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point of monies out and this is when he
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has his vision of of of bed right so we
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talked about this before and this is my
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first note on this I the purpose of the
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scenes to re-establish that that uh Ben
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Kenobi we knew from the first movie
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still around and they can still
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communicate with Luke and now you have
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to do with little shaky dream visions
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over everything else
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the fact that happens when he's
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delirious in the snow and like out of
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his mind about the freeze to death you
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could think that like it's a loosening
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or whatever actresses banking me that
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this is to establish that is going to go
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see Yoda was going to Train blah blah
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this scene
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obi-wan kenobi speaks 19 words
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you will go to the Dagobah system system
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there you will learn from Yoda the Jedi
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Master who instructed me
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and 19 work if this scene was in a
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modern movie they would be this big
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rambling scene with the ghost of Ben and
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dream sequence and talking to Luke and
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having conversation 19 word I was
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thinking it would be like it would be
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like when mr. Spock meets Captain Kirk
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movie where there'd be a flashback into
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well there's a black hole and then they
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chased me through and I wouldn't figure
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it was the southern air and now you
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gotta go to digg about ok 19 words he
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says he introduces your assistant you
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gotta go to this place you're gonna
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learn from Yoda instructed me I'm out
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and then hon and that hon comes riding
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through his hit the image of are used to
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be with me out dude does anyone ever
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wonder why he picked that moment he
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could he could told them at any time
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it's just like I now is a good time well
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that's what makes you think it's like a
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hallucination because he's delirious and
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you see hon come riding through the
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thing you like did he imagine that is
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he's like imagining and that will become
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important later when he lands on Dagobah
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was like what the hell am I doing here
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is just yeah was that a dream here
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because i was half have dead yeah the
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thing that I find about it is I just
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assumed that you know we know that
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stuffs been going on from the end of New
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Hope onward is that you just assume that
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Luke just hasn't had all that much time
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to really think about using the force or
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using training or doing anything like
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that we don't really get the impression
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that he's become all this more powerful
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except for the fact that he's able to
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pull the lightsaber out with his mind
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and the way I sort of look at it is he's
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partially delirious but I think he's
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partially opened up his mind to a
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certain and where where it's formerly
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been closed because I've been worried
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about you know getting the rebellion
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place and stuff like that but finally I
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don't know
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so the panic of the wampa seen about to
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be eaten by a wampa that's when you're
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going to learn how to figure out how to
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get out of the snow you know you're
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always really close to death and nobody
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was already dead so he's easy seeing the
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other side either way his mind is
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opening up to a point where Ben can
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reach him were formerly you know that
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made not possible i mean really if
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you're is ben just gonna magically
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appear inside the hoff base and be like
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hey Luke long time no see by the way how
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about that Digable system leave him a
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message he said nothing and you could
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have done that if you want if you are
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worse scriptwriter and have like that
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thinks you're up and have them walk down
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a hallway saying the Senate building and
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say you know you should go to Vegas is
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no speaking by the way small green as
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pointy ears so if you see some dude that
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it's actually him out so so i think you
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should go there
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yeah you want a sandwich i'm having a
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sandwich that would be bad writing I I
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do appreciate the economy of it and it's
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good to re-establish that he's giving
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giving messages from ben i am not a big
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fan of the I've had a vision who tells
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me where to go next in the plot kind of
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thing but it's also a question of like
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how do you move that forward
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you've got to have some sort of element
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that says you know I'm gonna throw this
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into gear so he meets Yoda so having it
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is the most economical way to do it even
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though part of me looks at that was like
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oh sure we'll just have a guy appear and
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say go over there but they do it in a
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way that you could doubt him know you
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don't like did he see that are just
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imagining his old friends and disease
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bacteria especially since the especially
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since hon comes riding in through with
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the hole where the hallucination used to
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be and i like that shot too
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that's great so so let's talk about on a
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little bit here because I'm and this
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will involve a little bit of
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backtracking you know that the the
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bureaucrats in the rebellion the guys at
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the at the gate and all that are sort of
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like well first off there's the guy was
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like well I don't think he can be other
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games like why don't you check on that
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which I which I really like where Han is
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really taking control of the situation
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but but they're like you know well he's
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out there and he's gonna die and we get
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the droids we got the first odd
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quotation of the of the movie where they
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quote the odds of him surviving and all
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of that and it is haunts loyalty that
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saves Luke here hon goes out and says
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I'll see you in hell and goes out on
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Tonto phrase for you hit the first
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marker I i love that little guy i love
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that little interchange he has with the
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droids to write because there is so much
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in that of this character that we've
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come to know and love where you know
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threepio's like you know might I inquire
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what's going on and hard like one up
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might I have a word with you please we
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work well it's princess Lisa she's been
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trying to get you on the community turn
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I don't want to talk to her and well
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Princess Leia is wondering about master
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you have
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Beckett she doesn't know where he is I
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don't know where you nobody knows what
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he is seeing nobody knows
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well you said Officer deck officer
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excuse me sometime after your community
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Skywalker's I haven't seen him
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it's possible he came in through the
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south entrance it's possible why don't
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yes sir excuse me something like what's
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going on
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no impossible man come on now to a good
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time consisted of between ourselves I
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think master Luke is in considerable
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thank you know there are you know
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there's this kind of interesting
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interchange with the droids who you know
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are comic relief and this is sort of
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their first time coming in we realized
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that they you know melted down half the
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cave or something by accident closed and
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meanwhile Hans trying to like you know I
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you know I always wonder about you in
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this case could be they make Julie and
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museums look a little bit like inept but
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I always kind of wondered if he wasn't
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doing it on purpose because he knows how
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you know how he feels about way I was
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trying to sort of stall to keep them
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from having to leave everyone why did
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you take this apart now we're trying to
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leave town because he's like taking
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apart the yeah why you take this apart
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now anybody can watch her yeah and that
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may also because chewy chewy is one of
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my favorite characters but I i really
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enjoyed that little interchange and i
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agree with Jason and that is actually
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one of the places where i even i even
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more i love the expansion of that scene
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in the radio drama since they I think it
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builds a little better but is it does
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still culminate that great i'll see you
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in Hell like one of our few swears the
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droids do get to show concern here too
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now that you know further establishing
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that are not just like this no solace at
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all right that they're worried r2 and
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particularly worried about him and so
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c-3po because they become friends to the
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first movie is that they're gonna have
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to be a unit for the rest of this movie
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and we have to leave they care of each
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other they don't just happen to have
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these droids long arrived with them like
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like appliances the personal
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relationships too i mean you get the
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sense with the bureaucrats at all about
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that that the a lot of these people
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there who are friends right there
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therefore the rebellion and all of that
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but they're not they're not focused on
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any individual right even though this is
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the kid who blew up the Death Star you
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know they're focused on the bigger
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picture and it takes the droids and it
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takes hard to say no no it he this guide
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matters and he
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some even then he doesn't mobilize a
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strike force to go get him something he
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just hops on a tauntaun and goes out
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into the dark which is you know that's
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it is it is his loyalty that saves luke
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and I I you know it's interesting that
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at the end even though we've got this
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big rebellion here it's gonna be the
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characters who care about each other who
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are gonna we're gonna matter right and
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you know just begin to the economy how
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many teams do mark hamill and Harrison
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Ford actually get together this movie
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like two other separated from separated
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for most of the moving their separate
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for the vast majority of the movie which
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I always thought was fascinating was
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that we have so much of this this
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relationship is being again what sort of
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dress into the that first movie and and
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the rapport between these three
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characters and yet
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Luke and Han spend the vast majority of
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this movie and totally separate places
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and we only get I think you know we get
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the scene really we got the scene where
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you like you know hold them out in the
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in the in the middle of nowhere right
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you know we find him he shoves him
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inside the tauntaun we get the scene
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where he's like after he's healed up and
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then we get the scene where he says
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goodbye and that's it like they probably
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exchange you know doesn't it doesn't
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light up because they're at their
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actions or they're showing through their
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actions what their relationship is like
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they don't have to have a scene where
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they say your real body to me I really
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care about you wouldn't like you to
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freeze the down
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speaking of that the tomtom being sliced
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open and that's probably the most
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graphic thing I ever saw in a movie up
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to the point when I saw that in a movie
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and I think it it work it's a great
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scene it works so well to establish this
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movie will be gritty and grim even more
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so than burned up phone number or you
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know like there's like this is what
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you're in for get ready it's not this is
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not let's go fly through a sterile space
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in an x-wing since you down the
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excellent this is this has got the
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tauntaun and shove the body and so it's
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appear pragmatism up at it it's not even
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what would what I didn't notice when I
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was a kid watching but of instruct me
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senses all haunts doing is buying time
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because he says this will keep you warm
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until i get the shelter up so he sliced
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open the toddler on basically for you
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know 15 minutes of warmth because there
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are in such dire circumstances and it's
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just he doesn't even think about it
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other than that it smells you know you
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thought smell down the outside you know
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but it's it's worth it doing a dented
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that kind of just gritty kind of brutal
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hey we gotta do it to stay alive that
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when he doesn't even think twice about
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that or about you know I always loved
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that insight on why but like something
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about him using the lights ya gonna do
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with the same point of like it when I
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don't know what else do you see nann
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Jedi's pick up and use the lights every
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like it that point as a kid you like is
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it even possible to have to be a Jedi to
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use thing if you're han Solo you can you
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pick it up
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well he's very like a my holding it the
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right way I hope I don't cut off my leg
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yeah exactly and you know get the job
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done but again I mean in these actions
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you see how much he cares about Luke
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because it's very much like okay I'm
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gonna pick up a foreign weapon that I've
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made fun of non-stop in the previous
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movie and I'm going to slice open a
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beast that's just died and indoor you
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know freezing cold while I put up the
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shelter because I care about you and I
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don't want you to die but i don't have
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to say that and to tend to you know
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speak again to sort of contrast to what
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i was saying before about Ford's
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interchange with the general this is a
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scene in these are to let you know a
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couple lines the then I'll see you in
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Hell which I always of course enjoyed as
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as does everybody who's right thinking
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but also the the and I thought they
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smelled bad on the outside I mean that
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the delivery in that line i I've always
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enjoyed because it's not just like you
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know him like looking at the camera
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winking at the camera right like there's
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that sort of pause aspiration and he's
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tired he's tired from all this rescuing
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tired yeah thanks I'd like I i really i
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don't know what that kind of makes him
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as a character because he still is kinda
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cocky and snarky even though there's no
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one around to hear him being funny right
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like you know this is literally him just
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going oh man what the hell if I got
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myself into but that's the same as a
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boring conversation anyway right he's
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just making jokes to yourself it's just
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what he does
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so that's nice graceful so that morning
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comes and I always like to think that
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the guys who are out on their little
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reconnaissance looking for the makeup
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and you had some tea had some breakfast
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the sunny day in sunny say that
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stretched out a little bit then got in
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there got in there little while ship but
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may and they flew out to see if hunts if
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they could find the frozen body of Han
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Solo oh and Captain solo tu KSA hey this
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is road to and it's
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you know the background noises that I
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talked about in new hope thing the sound
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of the x-wing what are they have this
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one you're going over the land you have
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the scanning that here you know that
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sounds definite that's that's the sound
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of speeders scanning for life-forms
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while they look at the sound of the
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speeders is very different sound the
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x-wings para bajar like they're
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low-flying stuff those those set that
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soundtrack is such a character and all
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the Star Wars movies in the character of
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hot and the speeders is very different
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than the character of the x-wing and an
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interesting and different and fun like
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there's so many great sounds that moment
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I think of the there's a very iconic at
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the very beginning
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uh where where Luke rings up hon on his
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old comlink thing and you've got that
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bling bling glue-like little Chinese
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sound which is occurs to me thinking
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about it now I think it that's the only
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time to use this entire movie and yet
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that that is a that sound is crystal
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clear in my head because it it has a
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meaning right associated with it
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well it's stuck in your you know Ben
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Bert's created this very definitive
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soundscape and I that ties over for me
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to into the droids as well as like going
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back just a moment the moment at the end
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of the evening when they close the blast
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doors with artoo and c3po that scene
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breaks my heart every time because you
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have to c-3po you are too has been known
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to make mistakes from time to time and
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then he walks away and art was just
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standing there and then you just goes
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yeah I mean I end for me in that scene
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its chewy at times like time is yellow
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with the dark closing oh yeah that is
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that Harper and there's a great shot
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there too right word there's a bit of a
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pant like a zoom in on on our dolly in
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on layout right as the doors closing and
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the enemy throws head back that's a
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great little moment expression on layers
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face again underrated acting we're like
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yeah if they said okay now this seen
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Carrie you're gonna be late and the
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doors are closing you said because hands
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out there we'll put the camera on you
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for a few seconds she could just stand
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there and put on a sad face but she does
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so much more than that she acts with no
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dialogue for on suffering for 34 seconds
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she acts and provides a performance of
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believable performance of the mixed
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emotions going on with like you know is
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it going to be dead or they gonna be
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okay am I worried but I have to be
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strong look at her face in that scene
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and it's of this a lot packed it's
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enough to make you concerned even though
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you know like babies guys are heroes of
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the story
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I plate and a thing about performances
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like that is again another filmmaker so
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I don't know how this this actually goes
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my impression is that it's not so much
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that like oh she's a better actor than
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she was another movies the director
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makes that because the director decides
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I'm going to do seven takes of your face
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for three seconds whereas Lucas as a
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shot okay and move on to the next one he
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wouldn't take more than one taking that
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you just one take on everything as long
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as the Lighting's good the blue screens
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are keyed up right and everything was
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fine sounds but don't worry we'll look
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the sound and go on to the next one as a
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director will coax a performance that
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even co-signing performance is just like
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will take 20 20 takes on the sly cooper
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is famous for not taking a bazillion
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takes I think that's important you know
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what I think actually that cursor to
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fewer takes the Lucas in terms of
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filmmaking wise but he also the the
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magic about cursor behind the camera
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here and you can really see it in the
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timing with the facial expressions and
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with the timing between characters
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everything is that these this script was
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rehearsed not to death but to the right
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exact point between getting it rehearse
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to the point where it's perfect
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but not over-- rehearse to the point
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where these people it sounds like they
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automatically know what they're saying
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and it's boring and we already know what
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the conversation is going to be like
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it's that you know you take just the
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right amount and you managed to capture
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it on screen and that happens pretty
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much for every single scene in this
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movie which is what makes it so special
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i find and if you took fear it takes
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then Lucas is probably because he was a
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much more competent filmmaker at the
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edges are they were doing this time you
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know everything you knew when you knew
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when the right take was and when to you
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know when to actually have the cameras
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rolling and went to rehearse and that's
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the mark of a great director so that
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Luke spends a whole Luke Spencer spent
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the whole night you know in a whopper
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Cavin in attendance so what do they do
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when they get back to base they put him
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in a tank on today / tank the fact it's
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a back to turn come on
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yes yes the back to tank water this with
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my friendly at like six or 7i think
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there's repeatedly going through Empire
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and and watching the scene and just
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cringing where it's just watching Bob
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down in the giant back to tank with well
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there's a great shot in the in the
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making of book which shows him with the
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phantom of the opera mask continue
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guessing that apparently there's a hole
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cut scene where he's got like a mask on
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his face you know that they take off
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right but there's a shot of a mini run
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it really it looks like a phantom of the
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opera mask is like covering half of his
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face and of course you know we haven't
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discussed the practical impact which is
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i believe it was between a new hope and
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empire that he was in a car accident
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right and basically had to have
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reconstructive surgery and so that's why
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he doesn't quite look right with it
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that's why the war punches him in the
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face and he's got all of the the damage
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and all that is its them sort of saying
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well his face doesn't look the same
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because I got punched by a wampa right
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by me and you know they had to deal with
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the practicalities that and on and on a
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side note in a sad note I think
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unfortunately but as a result our
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cameras & age very well probably because
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of the technology that was available at
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that time but the UH this is also the
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point movie where we get the where we
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gotta laugh it up fuzzball
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well scruffy-looking nerf herder I mean
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who's scruffy-looking these are examples
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of corny lines that that are sold by
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these actors sometimes the dialogue
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movie is great and sometimes they
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require a little bit effort and these
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lines work because of the report the
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actress having the performances because
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if you just give these lines to like I
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don't know like a middle school theater
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troupe or something and having them read
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them they don't work but in this scene
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that you buy them you just buy them
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well there's this great kayden sisters
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great laugh it up fuzzball like you know
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there's the battery cages to that
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doesn't work if you just laugh it up
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fuzzball around and i think you know i
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NN again the sound design right you know
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i love i love to ezel from like it's
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nothing it's the strange little girl
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far-right like everybody knew it to find
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him so much as a character because he is
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a key is understanding everything that
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is going on and amused by the situation
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and he he's the only person who can get
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away with that right no one else is
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gonna sort of like everyone else might
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look like a little bit of scans at hon
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but he's the guy who knows hon right he
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knows I'm cold and he's his best friend
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and can you know and can make fun of him
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like that because of their relationship
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and I think that says something in and
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of itself and the fact that they can
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that hon can shoot back laugh it up
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fuzzball without you know you know
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pissing off the would be at work and
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having his arms
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dog and and these are these funny
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sayings that fuzzball scruffy-looking
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nerf herder and later brain with laser
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brain right so these particular phrases
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speak to kind of like older script
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writers who don't know what is actually
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cool in the vernacular the kids these
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days but want to make up something that
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sounds futuristic right but they're
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framed by completely competent dialogue
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so I don't know where you get your
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delusions from laser brain laser brain
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is the corny thing written by yoga I
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don't know how to make something future
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sounding but i don't know where you get
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your delusions is a nicely turned phrase
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where hundreds of other clumsy or
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phrases could have been used and if you
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put you so crazy laser brain or I don't
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you know or something like that that's
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just bad script down that yeah like I
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don't know what you're thinking laser
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brain but i don't know where you get
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your delusions is better fitting for the
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character plus delivery she provides and
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then it makes you by the laser brain so
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we still got the writing also helps here
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by not being just like it you have to
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excuse the laser brains the nerf herders
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and they work because they're surrounded
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by otherwise completely sturdy and
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competent dialogue I you feel and get
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look so bad to me you look strong enough
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to pull ears off a gundark
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oh thanks to you that's two you owe me
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mm well your worship looks like you
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managed to keep me around for a little
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while longer
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I had nothing to do with it general
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right can't thinks it's dangerous for
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any ships to leave the system until
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we've activated the energy field it's a
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good story
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I think you just can't bear to let
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gorgeous guy like me out of your sight
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I don't know where you get your
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delusions laser brain
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[Music]
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fuzzball but you didn't see us alone in
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the South passage she expressed her true
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feelings for me but why you stuck-up
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half-witted scruffy-looking nerf herder
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scruffy-looking and not just dialogue
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but you know the whole physicality the
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scene to write like the way hon sort of
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struts overlay you didn't see this and
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then said together you know you start
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sticking his chest out you put his arm
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around her she expressed her true
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feelings for me you know i think there's
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a great there again you know speaking to
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when Ford is on he is on right like he's
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got that charm and he's got that you
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know kind of he speaking of the
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cockiness and everything like that
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totally cells that character even the
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way he exits the room after they cast
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he's like yeah still here
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find somebody else so that seems so
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we've got the with we've got the in
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hindsight really creepy kissing your
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sister scene where are obviously layers
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just trying to get Hans goat by kissing
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luke and the aftermath of that kiss
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though not only is there the weirdness
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of the fact that the brother and sister
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as it turns out but the aftermath of
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that first off while they're kissing the
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look on Harrison Ford's face is
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priceless
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it is it it's it's this combination of a
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little bit of horror but also a lot of
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all right I see what you're doing here
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well played right and and like I can't
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let myself get mad i'm walking i'm not
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going to show it
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that would give that she would win if I
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did that i'm just going to take it all
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in and then he just kind of nods and
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then the best line of Chewbacca dialogue
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ever where he basically goes room at boy
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I want the subtitles for that right well
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and Threepio Threepio titles over to get
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a interview which i always fuck
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ridiculously hilarious
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he's fascinated by her parents she steps
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up and walks away i just love Luke
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looking nodding putting his hands
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oh yeah well he wasn't cool during if
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you look at his taste his face though
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he's like dad
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is going on here but then he recovers
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and says yeah you know what yeah that's
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right that's right yeah well DNA he
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realizes you get one over on hon to yeah
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i think even realizes he's being played
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to a certain extent but i think that
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bets in some ways more important who's
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cool now hot solo exactly who's the kid
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you know what I find interesting is that
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Leia does not use pet names and jokes
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for anybody except for hon you never
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hear her call Luke anything but with on
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it's always like she calls him by his
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name maybe once or twice and every every
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other opportunity its laser brain it's
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not her it's enough scoundrel she I mean
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you know and yeah and again Lucas kind
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of in some ways Luke is the least
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important person in that scene right
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despite it being a scene about him you
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know coming back from the dead basically
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it's basically an excuse for the two of
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them to use him to fence with each other
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but you got the impression that they're
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the older I don't know that the relative
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ages are supposed to assume his supposed
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to be older than Luke he's supposed to
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be like 20 G's Harrison Ford like 27 and
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they're both like closer to 20 21 but
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like that they come up with the adults
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hanalei come off the Dalton he's the kid
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in the room when there-there fight is
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going on and gets wrapped up into it you
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know mommy and daddy too i just like the
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eye again though the hospital leaving
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was like take it easy yeah he's out of
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their next thing I have my notes
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actually is there's this great seam
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where you see the big Imperial ships
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that were used to see how that ended the
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shadow comes over them and there's the
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GIS ship the Darth Vader is on what a
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great way to play off that scene from
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red and you hold one upmanship because
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it's a sequel you know you thought the
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exactly you thought those ships were big
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what they get completely lips well but
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in before you get that scene there was a
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because it's the it's the imperial
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program which we can alter your
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impressions of and i had met right and
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we're not gonna let them run around at
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all so they shoot it on on radios back
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it's a good bet the Empire knows we're
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big wipe transition q Imperial March
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which is the first time i believe you
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hear the Imperial marketing is in this
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movie and what an interesting
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however yeah whatever it does not exist
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in a new hope
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that's on the company's the realization
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we were just talking about a scale of
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like all right we understand sequels
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have to take it up a notch well you want
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it up a notch here you go
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new song I've never heard awesome song
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great Star Wars song bad as Darth Vader
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Imperial March song superstar you want
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to give him right you're wondering like
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okay he's got you know the first movie
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kind of like the Death Star right like
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that was a stomping grounds like what
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are you going to give them in this movie
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that's impressive and because what's
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fascinating about this movie is that you
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know so much of it takes place sort of
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on the run that it makes sense he's got
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a flagship right he's got something
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that's enormous and that is like
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representative of the might of the
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Empire in a way that the death star you
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know the star was menacing but that was
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always kind of taärgons to write and so
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I think giving him his own do with that
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giant ship is is it's effective and he's
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got his own little chamber within the
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giant ship this badass black clamshell
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chamber thing that he's inside of which
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is just you don't even understand why
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it's there initially in your life but
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that's cool
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it's important to mention from a
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production a standpoint to I think that
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and I again something that we talked
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about a belief in the Stars podcast is
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that you know the vader outfit in Star
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he looks kind of wimpy a kind of times
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and you can see through the eyes and
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whatever like they made him over right
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he looks he looks menacing in this in
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empire right shiny and evil
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it's shiny yeah exactly and it's
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effective like you see all those shots
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where you get there so many reaction
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sauce in here remember this so it starts
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out with them bickering you know that
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the officers bickering about whether or
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not they've actually found you know the
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rebels could miss much as he walks over
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right and you just see the eyes of all
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the guy of the guys in the crew pits
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watching him go right you know there's
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attention to all the reaction shots to
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Vader which I think come across very
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subconscious you're not necessarily
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thinking about them directly but i was
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paying attention to them a lot this time
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and I realize how effective those are in
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you know making us think not only is he
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scary right but he scared the people
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whose side he's on
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yeah yeah I John mentioned the we talked
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a little bit about the Empire here i
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think from different a few different
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parts of this movie
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John mentioned the chamber invaders in
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and of course later we see the scene
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his his head mask is coming down as its
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opening up which is that that great
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moment that's like just a little tiny
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tiny taste like oh but it's Darth
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Vader's head off and then it's gone but
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i have to she said to have to share this
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with you that are that I'm sitting there
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thinking Darth Vader's chamber is is
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sort of interesting and strange and why
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is it there like John said and I'm
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thinking how to phrase that in my notes
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and my son my seven-year-old son turns
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to me and says daddy Vader's office is
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really weird like I can't put it any
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better than that anybody that he took
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his fingers of both hands and kind of
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put them together like it goes like this
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shit with the little thing
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shit with the little thing
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coming up it's true it's Darth Vader's
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office it is kind of it would seem kind
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of impractical and I assume it's sort of
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like for security that he needs to like
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that moves the atmosphere in there so we
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can have his helmet all right you know
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it's stuffy I'm sure it's just a strange
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office unorthodox office have to throw
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in my favorite running joke scene with
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my friend my friend Evan who's a he was
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a big star Wars fan as well and we had a
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joke when we were kids by favorite my
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favorite shots in this entire movie use
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your faders like that's it the rebels
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are there you know and then he goes
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general veers and he turns around right
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yes he's right there and to my house is
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like an inch is for mistakes and every
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time after that controlled like why are
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you so glum
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yes space but it's definitely something
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that was dead i noticed that see it's
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such a weird but i have to give super
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props to essentially in glover I think
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who doesn't blink right haters like
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ahead whips around he's just like nope
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i'm here so you work with darth vader
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you gotta take it later later to become
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ya laters play a part in an Indian into
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it is I i have one of my notes serious
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hey it's julian glover it's Walter
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Donovan it's what did I tell you dr.
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Jones never trust for me he will always
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be scare off last of the Jagger off from
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the city of death episode of dr who
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that's where I first met Julian Glover
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so when when he was in indiana jones and
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the last crusade ok it's that guy
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it's the guy from Doctor Who I didn't
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even notice that he was a movie until
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years later cheese is general here and
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there was also we learned the the way
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that you get ahead in the military in
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the Empire which is the choke to death
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by before so it is a good economy of
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dialogue and these scenes too because
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when the guys get in trouble do Vader
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again i can just imagine in a modern
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movie or you have to have the bag i say
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a whole bunch of bad stuff where he
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likes I'm really you know some sort of
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big evil guy speed you're talking about
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how he loves to kill people all the
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blood this one quick choking cases
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clumsy and stupid getting on my screen
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and choke and next well I think about
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the it builds ago yorkshire we but we've
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built on it right because in the last
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movie he was in the room right he
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reaches over and over to feeling like
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I'm crushing I'm crushing your head I'm
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crushing your head but in this one it's
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like he doesn't do anything right
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hands on the screen because I'm in the
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same right you don't need the pantomime
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that anymore know right exactly he's
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just sort of looking at him the guy
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kills over and you're like well he
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probably just like choking up a statue
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or something you have to pantomime in
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the first movie us the audience wouldn't
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understand what was going on you have to
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make right
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no I'm the black suit making the pinchy
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thing with his fingers is doing it but
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now let's establish you don't have to do
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that thing and it also serves to make
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him look like he's up and I want to give
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super props in this point to it to a
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secondary character PA who I think he is
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another one of those great sort of
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professional actors right who this was a
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gig or whatever but he really brings
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guys you know the whole thing EP it's
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like I replaces out of the Admiral Ozzel
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who was killed off right
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if you watch his expression through the
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whole thing and just his his behavior
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he's just like he's in there right he is
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doing that role and his years working it
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like a professional i love my favorite
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shot of him in the entire movie which
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will come which is basically the lash
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out of him is you know at the very end
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when that when the fucking gets away you
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see the look on his face when you
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realize oh sure that rocks they got away
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and like you just you can see like the
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color drained out of his face and I'm
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like that is good and so I get through
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this entire thing I think he does an
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awesome job of like he's the guy who
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realizes just how tenuous his position
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is right and and he's seen his
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predecessor choked in front of his eyes
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and nose like what the stakes are and
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he's trying his damnedest to make sure
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that they you know he keeps this this
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crazy Dark Lord guy happy like he's just
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the money is just a soldier right it's
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just the guy who's flying the ship and
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he's like I you know I ended up here
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I you know I'm not really sure what
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happened but boy I better keep this guy
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happy or else I'm gonna keel over in a
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few minutes
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it's just bringing in coffee earlier now
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here I i am mr. gel I mean just because
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i was just an intern now I'm an ad rule
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but the interesting thing about Pete to
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is as i recall has a slightly expanded
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role in the in the radio drama which I
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suspect is one of the reasons why Dan
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likes him
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this is heats it's very much since when
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but even the understated parts of him in
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in the movie you know he's a secondary
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character right he doesn't he's not the
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main villain he's not even like you know
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he's not targeting or anything of that
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he's just this soldier and yet
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I think those moments that he plays he
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has a story
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well neither does he have a story but is
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emblematic of this whole empire again
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these these are you know there's a
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well-oiled military machine right very
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professional very disciplined and then
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you throw in this row guy with a cape
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and a helmet right he's just stalking
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around killing guys left and right this
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is this is extremely on military and so
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you kind of but he knows like Mariano
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Yankees the Emperor's you know because
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the Emperor's little protégé I can't
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screw around with him I gotta listen to
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him even though I'm you know an admiral
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or a captain or whatever and I think
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it's just it's a fascinating dynamic
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that we get the Empire which at the same
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time the villains in this is the same
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time this huge monolithic you know very
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like you know military-industrial
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complex and at the same time there's
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this huge mystical darkside element and
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the meshing of those two that the edges
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there are just really fascinating you
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know when you have a dot bad guys and
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and and movies there's two ways they can
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go then go with the crazy maniac was
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like I'm crazy I'm the biggest baddest
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of the bad guy because I'm the craziest
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of the bad guys and they ran a raven the
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yellow people and they kill people and
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songs over and then they have the steel
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guy who's like he's the quiet guy but if
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you cross me kill you and you just
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always quiet and reserved right
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Bader is it doesn't fit into either one
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of those clichés because he's certainly
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not ranting and raving and yelling at
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people like he's not a hothead right
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he's pretty much calm but on the other
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hand he's frustrated and angry about
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things going wrong he's not like so cool
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that you think he's a sociopath that
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just has no feelings about anything he's
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frustrated when people get away he's
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frustrated when his guys don't perform
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correctly but he doesn't yell he doesn't
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rant and raved broken ankle show he
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chokes him outside Lee he picks the next
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guy command you're in charge now he
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makes his wishes clear don't family
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because i'm actually kind of annoyed
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about this but I'm not gonna go yelling
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at everybody i'm not going to be ranting
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and raving he's on the first movie he
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does yell right but he doesn't think
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he's different Vader he's more badass
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now he's less desperate and frantic and
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stuff like that but you can still see
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underneath it all as this human is
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frustrated about the fact that he can't
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get right is giant cleat to catch these
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rebels and and again from from a
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production standpoint we we commented in
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any earlier than the star wars episode
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like Vader's lines come across very
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rushed right the
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clearly they're dumping stuff in over
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afterwards and so I wonder what happened
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those plans today with the parent now
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you know like it's all very rush words
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in this one they they clearly took a lot
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more time to match up and everything
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Vader does is as John say it's very slow
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writes very deliberate
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there's a lot of time and everything
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meshes much better and it makes him that
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much more menacing because you know like
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like you're saying is he's he's not he's
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frustrated but he's not like harried
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right he's and I think that that gives a
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lot to his presence and plus they give
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him these great little turns of phrase
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that are threatening but not in ways
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that you would typically associate is
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threatening I mean there's a scene later
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on he says there are two Admiral exactly
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that's exactly thinking
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don't disappoint me again Admiral
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anything you like you don't need to say
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or I'll kill you like the previous
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geyser and it's implied the Admiral
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means I about to die
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yeah it's a code so it's a safe love we
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we are we should go back to to hof now
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for the the first big because we've been
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talking all this time it's been great
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but we haven't gotten to the first big
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set piece of the movie which is the
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assault on the rebel base by the
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Imperial Walker's but first i have to
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mention my art those medical droids very
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friendly and concerned about the
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well-being of their patients because
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there's a whole day so there's a whole
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scene it is just strangely the robot are
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the droid being concerned that Luke will
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have a good day and take your own mental
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health is part of overall health you can
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elect oh absolutely nothing what's he
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wants to make sure that they can
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evacuate those the heavier equipment to
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yes of course concerned because that is
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going to be left behind and taken over
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by the the Empire which I assume was the
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case right as the cigar right they're
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gonna reboot they actually have a joke
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about that in the radio dramas reason
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radio drama is this whole long
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conversation between the two of them
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when he says I once fact that the droids
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like I want to practice medicine in
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imperial clinic I take your meaning you
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like you know he doesn't want to be left
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behind if right i just love but I think
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that seeing that scene in this movie
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it gives them a chance to start playing
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Luke's a music to say that the sort of
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happy-go-lucky not happy go lucky
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but i want to fight for the rebels Lucas
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back he's better now he's d want but
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he's out of the things he's doing it
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seems that scene between hanalei is over
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his theme music star state playing he's
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getting suited up he's ready to get off
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the end off to the you know to the pilot
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stuff that we've been any and he gets it
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nice in this thing it's not an x-wing
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but he sits in anything and so now
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everyone who saw the previous movies
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like Luke and an orange jumpsuit going
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into a thing or it's not a spaceship but
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it's coming on internship right he's got
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a co-pilot minus the copilot says I
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could take on the whole of their voice
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yeah yeah I know you're the reason that
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bastard as we always add to that seemed
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he dies but the thing is that the reason
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that line works is is because every kid
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who came out of a new hope after they
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came out of a new hope that thought that
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they could take on the whole entire
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themselves a look finally gets back into
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the ship where we want to see him as the
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little kids saying yes look at back in
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the ship and its dresses I feel like you
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take the whole empire self and books and
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what you mean the kids I was like yes I
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know what you mean to because I to feel
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like I can take on the entire empire
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just like you did in that trench thing
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and I'm done a million times underneath
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my covers with my ex wings you know it's
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a anyway we skipped over briefly like
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one moment I wanted to speak to as we
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talked about the economy which is which
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is Lucan Hans farewell scene right which
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is i believe the dialogue is you all
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right yeah take care of yourself you to
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like that's it and all is all done and
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it's all delivery right and and i think
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what's fascinating about that scene is
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like you take those lines and they're
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totally generic there's nothing that
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couldn't be in you wouldn't see not and
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there's no substance to the lines and
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yet there is something in the way that
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you know in the rapport between those
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two characters that that lets you see
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between the lines and and the subtleties
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there but it's fascinating like that's
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that were these guys are gonna see each
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other for another you know like the rest
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of this like the the one hour and a half
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their left in this film were two hours
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that are left in this film and that's
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how they say goodbye
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no high fives nothing and Luke does this
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little to double take to step 2 if
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you're watching Luke is about to turn
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away half turns away than half turns
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back lots of little physical acting
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there besides the lines and yeah I an
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edge it's a nice little scene
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nope but amazes me that they got away
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with it with such really generic
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dialogue buddy you know it but it works
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and now we're back to flying so so
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Imperial uh still Walker seen anybody
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have any any thoughts about this i mean
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it's a cool action scene right it's a
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good thing they have total cables tow
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yes we thought to put them on I i played
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rogue leader way way way too many times
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to count growing up as a kid but I have
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to say of the entire movie The Hoff
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battle infuriates me because it makes no
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sense in the space of like what an hour
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two hours how they have gone from
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fighting an initial space battle to all
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the sudden even those are there's some
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sort of energy shield over the planet
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they have managed to land these big
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giant hulking creatures getting out of a
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Star Destroyer get them apparently
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within 10 miles of the base get them set
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up also get Darth Vader landed on the
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plant like the logistics of this which I
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didn't notice is a kid and I'd their
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energy shields they prevent you from
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shooting things onto the planet they
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don't prevent things from going onto the
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planet their particle the ratios not
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particle shields okay i'm going to
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broach the subject the prequels here to
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say they show the details of how an
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invasion like this works in episode 1
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and i think in seeing that you see very
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well why it's up probably find that they
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don't show it here that a very wisely
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don't show and they explained it in the
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they explained in the radio drama as
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well because it's not it's not important
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i have no desire to see them explain it
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was just something that always
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infuriated me it doesn't explain i
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thought there was a long enough time gap
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because the rebels have plenty of time
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to prepare that time to dick stretches
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they had done to get all set up they had
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time to get their speeders ready I got
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the impression and they got their plan
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with the ion cannon to get the two to
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evaluate like it there was at this time
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and they're waiting like when will the
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enemy appear I thought I felt that there
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was a long time gap it between the time
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when they said it's a good bet the
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Empire knows we're here to the time when
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they could finally see the Imperial
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Walker's through their binoculars they
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came from far off right i mean they land
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them outside the shield sort of and have
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them walk instead I think a lot alike
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right on top of the generated welcome to
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see they built himself tall and spindly
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and skinny that's another and why
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they're talking able to the snowspeeders
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you think about it too much i got two
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things around
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it's really important house you move
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things you gotta tow package on your car
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no well they won't be taking down any
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Walker it's kinda it's kinda like
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voltron is blazing sword it's like just
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got the tow cables first don't bother
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with the blasters that Armstrong
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combustors guess what you know we could
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guess that use the tow cables i love the
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comments about how you know it we ran
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was talking about playing rogue leader
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and it occurs to me that i think i think
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my friend Tony although i don't he was
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quoting someone else being like man I've
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played the Battle of Hoth probably is at
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least as many times as invited like in
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video games i played like the invented
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by DJ on normandie pls let you battle
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scenes that are not every freaking game
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so um you know I i don't i don't have a
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lot to say about the about the battle
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itself for me that the scene that really
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grabs me as after right after it uh as
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as the Empire really it's the line right
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its Imperial forces invaded the base
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that's imperial troops apparent groups
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of the best that that's the thing that
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gets that's the stuff that I really love
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is is if that's the og's we gotta get
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outta here now they're coming
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there's the extent that doesn't sound as
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the government radios like a better the
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problem you know what he's gone yeah and
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that's the stuff i mean it's a fun
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action scene with the walkers and you
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know but but who gets the shimmy up that
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thing and threw a grenade yeah he makes
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out a whole ad himself showing that he's
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resourceful and you know right is not a
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top of his game entirely but he's
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resourceful and can do instinct is that
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himself to get it out to the staging
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area so it was about what to do with
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cables you're right with the tow cable
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cheese people well and and we also have
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others are thinking that pre we got see
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that wedges alive
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however I'm always excited about that
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shot Jackson to hear wedge could chat
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Denis Lawson so Anna and also you got
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the smog a driver is the shoot will be
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down in moments you may start you said
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look at the look on his face with that
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with that to helmet as he's like on his
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like that's right I've got mad at
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understand cruising in town on the ad at
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don't you love that is the little
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pocket-sized Darth Vader hologram to ya
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if I if I was that guy be like many of
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the mini hologram but later uses to hear
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because the Supreme would be no good
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when you could white house anyway you
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can have a little hologram of darkness
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like Jesus on your head like an action
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no don't don't bother having a full Sun
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or theater hologram alrighty i'll be
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like scary enough room in the car but
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then he's got a periscope peoples of the
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shield he's doing his job he's confident
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right to the part where you know I
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actually apparently he supposed to
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supposed to die or something i was
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reading one of the other in a cutscene
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or something i was reading online
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someone had a the cut scenes that are I
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think included in the special edition
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blu rays just came out where they said
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like basically he supposed to get
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supposed to get some ice at the after
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that scene but it was always think that
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when when Luke is repelling up the into
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the belly of the the snow speed but he's
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gonna go in to the east of throw his
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lightsaber in and then jump in and then
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go to kill everybody and he never does
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it turns out because for whatever reason
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I always read the thing he's throwing
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his lightsaber and it's not it's a
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grenade grenade uses the same hand is
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holding a lightsaber and but it's true
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and I realized that what made me realize
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that is because my son made the same
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mistake he was like after it blows up
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because oh I thought he threw his
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lightsaber in there and I said well
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that's ridiculous why would anybody do
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that and be silly boy
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the thing I actually really you know the
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big battle is is nice but I also i love
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the scene where Leia is basically there
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till the bitter end and everything's
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falling costs around her and she's like
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no get to your stations i can't believe
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i need to make sure everybody's fine i
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love i love that the whole empire
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imperial troops are in the base and
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she's she's holding out until they sort
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of like can convince her to go the scene
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where Darth Vader is now I mean he's
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walking down that corridor the IC
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quarter have been that such I mean just
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the image of that it's like oh jeez
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right here right where I wanted on one
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corridor the this it collapses he wants
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to place like he owns ok he's like he's
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not he's not creeping around checking
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around corners he's walking in those you
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got the creepy snow troopers to write
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like you have the creepy the sort of the
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Stormtrooper to have the white like yeah
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I don't think nazi-like Nazis her
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flippers there kk yeah they're like
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super happy
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then Hans like well I'm gonna take Leila
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to the to transport number it collapses
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so I she's got to go with him
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darn and some of he keep radius we
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totally rigged that corridor collapse
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chewy is he knows everything was going
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ok so let's let's take a second speak of
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you know i love the scene where they're
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in the docking bay right there running
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you know
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30 after all first guess where are you
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going you know if you're traveling along
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after them and then eat the you know i
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love that the urgency in that scene so
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hehe like they run into the into the
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hangar bay and they're like they're like
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sprinting right they got to get into the
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future since the Darth Vader is like
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right behind them and they're running
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they're running really fast and Darth
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Vader is walking slowly and catching
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light of it spits pepe le pew and so and
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so forth repeal gets on and i love the
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fact that you the ramp starts to go up
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while he's still on the ramp right like
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they're getting the hell out of there
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and so you know they flip everything on
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and in one of my favorite moments in
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that entire movie clip all the fucking
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on the falken on and because hongos way
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of what influence he doesn't want any
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thing but and and also Threepio is
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trying to talk to him trying to make her
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money that he turns to 3p oh what's up
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as one puts up one finger looks that I'm
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no dialogue and then you get a
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screenshot of a good and I don't even
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know that couldn't have been in the
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script that's just that's just Harrison
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Ford going I'm going to give you three
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people look I'm going to put one finger
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and then going to go on
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I mean I and I think the falken again
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just speaking you know the fuckin is
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just a character in and of itself more
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in this movie then then in either the
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others i think but in this movie it's
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it's such an integral part of the
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character and you know they even
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reference it later on my character I
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don't know where your ship learned to
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communicate you know I I think that's
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great and I love her as a character you
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know I've got a few extra surprises and
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that little gun comes out of the bag
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help i got out and pushed it might I
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love that line and then little gun part
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that comes out people enjoyed shoots a
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bunch of the story of true price and
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they're all kinda got a he's got that
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wow i just i don't know i like i love
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anything in the falken is is awesome
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yeah but it's also a mass right it is
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like it will definitely was created
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apart and and and there's like that big
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like control panel and Hans flipping all
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the switches like oh I hope this works
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you know where he clearly knows exactly
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what's going on but you know he'll
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yeah make it work somehow i mean i think
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that's what I wasn't happy when it works
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like see I love that's what I love about
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the volcano is it she's not reliable
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right it would be so easy if like the
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ship with the deus ex machina right I
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gotta fuckin always get them out of
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those jams right you know no worries
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it's the fastest hunk of junk in the
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galaxy and yet it breaks down a lot
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well most sports cars are like that
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right it's fast but it's not reliable
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right well but it's also cobbled
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together right because he's sort of
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tweaked everything and you know
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hot-rodded right on baby hold together
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there's great rhythm to the same to wear
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their have to enter cut between the
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dialogue which is snappy and talking
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about the thing and the physical comedy
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of getting the thing to start and the
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being chased by Darth Vader walking down
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the hallway and shooting the
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stormtroopers like that's all sliced
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together and so that it just flows
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nicely with the dialogue and and the
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little snippets and then and then
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combining their escape
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that's not easy to do that's not easy
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filmmaking when you have there's a lot
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going on where you have to cut back and
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forth between them in a way that doesn't
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kill the rhythm of the dialogue but lets
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you know exactly what's going on you
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know it's it's not easy to do because
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you see it done so poorly and for
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example episode 1 which was just
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reference yes I are
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yeah I read you that negatively but yes
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yeah timing and editing are two things
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that this movie has in spades
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I brought I brought up episode one
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specifically because it is you know the
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I think there's a parallel there about
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these Imperial assaults and and how too
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much sort of disclosure outside of where
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you really want to focus which is on the
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yes you could see the troops massing and
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all of that but it's better if you don't
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actually know it takes away the rhythm
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it's one of those things that show you
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can nitpick in your head and you can be
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frustrated about but it doesn't actually
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take away from the enjoyment of the
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movie it's just one of those things
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where you think about it afterwards you
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like take it on faith you're like well
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obviously they landed outside the shield
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and are sending these guys in okay all
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right order without sure it works so
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we've spent we spent up to this point
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it's like 40-50 minutes into the movie
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we spent this time on the snow planet
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with these white scenes and then we
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finally get Luke back into an x-wing
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back in his orange explain suit back
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into space and the decrease in
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brightness from the movie screen at that
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point when he finally goes into space in
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the x-wing and the music mellows out and
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starfield and r2 and the beeping it's
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just such a relaxed a visual relief from
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the first big set piece battle type
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thing it's like back to the familiar
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back to look in an x-wing and relaxing
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it's like a breather moment I starfield
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that's what i think of star wars that
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explains on a startling then we cut back
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to one by the way has not doing so hot
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can I just I want to say one thing about
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that about Luke's exit where he's like
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all right i'll see you at the rendezvous
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point then they get out into the the
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clear black of space is like no artoo
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we're not actually going to the
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rendezvous point RP was like what is
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like no no we're going to take about his
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little green where he communicates yes
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but the thing I love the most about that
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is that his little aside to r 2 or r2
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asks and pursues like I can autopilot
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you there and and he's like no no Billy
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doesn't really trust yeah I like no we
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just go to the around a room you just
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take a nap and I'll get us to dega get
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bigger haha yeah the rendezvous that's
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way too late if a droid could raise an
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eyebrow skeptically are two would be a
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yeah exactly
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alright I'm going to stop us press the
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pause button because we have so much to
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say about the Empire Strikes Back that
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we just can't fit it in one podcast so
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I'm going to ask wait there's a
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cliffhanger yes it's like the old
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cereals that the Star Wars movies
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modeled after there's a weird to go we
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finish talking about actually this is
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the point where Dan Morgan is frozen in
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carbonite and does not return until late
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in the next year just trying to shut me
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out like that we're at the dates again
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did you come back and talk about this
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again next week
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oh wait sorry i wasn't that we got sound
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of dat carbonite are you can you can you
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put in that sound back after the editor
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carbon sorry I'm getting ahead of myself
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yes I would be delighted to come back
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and continue talking about John syracuse
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I know you'll be back
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always 50 what cannot be done uh-huh and
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it's already called well thank you for
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sharing your perspective and and i would
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like you to come back next week if
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you're willing i am willing indeed
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considerate alright i'll consider great
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so stay tuned next week for more of the
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incomparable and the empire strikes back
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until then I'm Jason Snell thanks again
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for listening
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