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69: Love Conquers All, But So Do Guns

 

00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 69 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/0">TS</a>]

00:00:11   December 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   welcome back to the uncomfortable I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/14">TS</a>]

00:00:17   Jason smell your host we are convening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   another edition of the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   book club and yet again i believe this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/21">TS</a>]

00:00:24   is our fourth thousand-page long book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/24">TS</a>]

00:00:29   a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/29">TS</a>]

00:00:31   fortunately our next book is stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   king's book about the Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/33">TS</a>]

00:00:34   assassination in time travel which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   like 20 pages right also a thousand-page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/36">TS</a>]

00:00:39   oh god help anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/39">TS</a>]

00:00:43   today we are going to talk about ream d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/43">TS</a>]

00:00:47   which is how you pronounce it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/47">TS</a>]

00:00:49   by the way we checked Neal Stephenson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   has a video where he calls it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   md it's really be its readme misspelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/53">TS</a>]

00:00:56   as Reedy by chinese hackers but we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/56">TS</a>]

00:01:00   get to that Neal Stephenson's Ruby came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/60">TS</a>]

00:01:03   out in September and we've all read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/63">TS</a>]

00:01:07   took us that long if you didn't read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   don't why you want this podcast and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   you don't want to know what happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/73">TS</a>]

00:01:13   please don't listen to this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14   because we're going to tell you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/74">TS</a>]

00:01:15   happens we're going to talk about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   happens in the book so joining me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/77">TS</a>]

00:01:20   talk about what happens in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/80">TS</a>]

00:01:21   which is the purpose of a book club just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/81">TS</a>]

00:01:24   getting out there are serenity Caldwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/84">TS</a>]

00:01:28   hello hi Jason it's just a check you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   read the book right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/90">TS</a>]

00:01:31   I have indeed read the book the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/91">TS</a>]

00:01:33   book the entire book right to be a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   maybe we can have that show off haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/95">TS</a>]

00:01:39   well no it's okay i'm taking like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   months to finish cryptonomicon so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/101">TS</a>]

00:01:44   right well actually never ends you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/104">TS</a>]

00:01:45   that book just keeps going goes yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   it's really a lot into the first page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/107">TS</a>]

00:01:49   and it's I think I'm glad other voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   you just heard his kind fleischmann hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/112">TS</a>]

00:01:53   Glenn did you read the local oh I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   this entire book right back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/115">TS</a>]

00:01:58   I like it that's that's that things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   looking up for the book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/120">TS</a>]

00:02:01   dan borin it also joins us Daniel I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   assume you read the whole book this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   i read the book the whole book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   nothing but the book it Oh Mike so help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   me God and Scott McNulty hello Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/130">TS</a>]

00:02:13   know you always read the book I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   read the book this time and I hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/137">TS</a>]

00:02:18   there are no spoilers because i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   looking forward to read it it's about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   detective in New York in the 19th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/145">TS</a>]

00:02:26   oh is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/146">TS</a>]

00:02:27   so excited so windy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/147">TS</a>]

00:02:30   I guess we should start by talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   how this is a you know Neal Stephenson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/152">TS</a>]

00:02:37   is an interesting author he's written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   some cyberpunk kind of stuff like snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/159">TS</a>]

00:02:42   crash he wrote a very very sci-fi novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/162">TS</a>]

00:02:47   his last time out which was an M he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/167">TS</a>]

00:02:51   done action like in a zodiac which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/171">TS</a>]

00:02:56   actually a book like a lot he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   historical kind of you know with a with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/178">TS</a>]

00:03:02   a sci-fi flavor but historical fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   with a baroque cycle so he's he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/184">TS</a>]

00:03:08   all over the place and yet despite that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/188">TS</a>]

00:03:12   I was surprised at the content of reem d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   because it starts out feeling like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/194">TS</a>]

00:03:17   going to be your sort of standard neal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/197">TS</a>]

00:03:21   stephenson even though it's set in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   present day which i think only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/202">TS</a>]

00:03:23   cryptonomicon well now he's yeah so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/203">TS</a>]

00:03:26   mostly it's obviously an economic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   maybe some of those other thrillers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/209">TS</a>]

00:03:30   he sort of pseudonymous Lee wrote right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   right but um it's so but it more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   still it's like you know it starts out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   little bit like a almost like the cory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/217">TS</a>]

00:03:41   doctorow book about for the wind after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   the wind right which is about about gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   farmers in a in a massively multiplayer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/226">TS</a>]

00:03:49   game right you have the two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/229">TS</a>]

00:03:50   apparently had some conversation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   Cory said Cory was assessment for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   wind and Neal said something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/234">TS</a>]

00:03:57   reading about gold farming and they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   cackle door something so you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   round up i think reading their books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   nearly simultaneously independent so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   theory is that is that uh Neal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07   Stephenson discovered what cory doctorow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   is writing about 500 pages in and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/249">TS</a>]

00:04:12   oh well then let's change what my book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/252">TS</a>]

00:04:15   is about let's take a sharp left turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/255">TS</a>]

00:04:18   listen I i want to make a point at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   outset that because what you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/260">TS</a>]

00:04:21   through about genre is i think i got 300 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/261">TS</a>]

00:04:24   pages into this behemoth before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26   actually understood that there was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   to be no contra factual hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/268">TS</a>]

00:04:32   particles or anything else and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   the science fictional elements yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   really it had because it has all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/276">TS</a>]

00:04:37   tropes and feels of that terrain and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40   extrapolation of the the most massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/280">TS</a>]

00:04:43   multiplayer online game culture rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   which is the which is the invented more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48   or less arco invented by by Richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   fourth rescue is one of the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/291">TS</a>]

00:04:52   characters in the book it's not World of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/292">TS</a>]

00:04:55   Warcraft right but it is like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57   it's sort of the it's played a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/297">TS</a>]

00:05:00   the next evolution of that so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   little bit of speculation in there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   really it's it's our world although with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/304">TS</a>]

00:05:07   Stevenson's traditional attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/307">TS</a>]

00:05:08   detail that extrapolation is i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/308">TS</a>]

00:05:11   hell of a lot better than ernest cline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   xin in ready player one in terms of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   the Oasis is versus terrain is much you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   know i think is much more grounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20   there's a good hundred pages devoted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   exactly what the terrain of the world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   like with name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   thank you yaso so too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/327">TS</a>]

00:05:31   there's so much here because there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/331">TS</a>]

00:05:32   thousand pages and that's why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   podcast will last for a thousand hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/334">TS</a>]

00:05:35   or maybe not but but I want to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/335">TS</a>]

00:05:39   to so there isn't one is right it is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/339">TS</a>]

00:05:42   was surprised on the one hand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   there's nothing you know counterfactual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   there's nothing that seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   couldn't happen today which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   interesting and then and then despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   Stephenson having all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   genres that he's played in i was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   surprised at the turn he took because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   end up in the last half of this book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   basically an action movie which is its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/362">TS</a>]

00:06:06   well I think it's well done but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/366">TS</a>]

00:06:09   funny because it's not what I expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/369">TS</a>]

00:06:10   from Neil Stephens now I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   I expected I guess I expected something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   less common and maybe a a weirder you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/374">TS</a>]

00:06:19   know less common kind of genre instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   of like guys with guns fighting other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   guys with guns but that's what we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/384">TS</a>]

00:06:28   I was surprised that certain most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   neal stephenson's books he's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/390">TS</a>]

00:06:31   famous for going on tangents that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   enjoyable to read but you really lasts a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/393">TS</a>]

00:06:36   couple hundred pages and yeah like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/396">TS</a>]

00:06:37   not sure what's going on in this book he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   seems to have decided at one point okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/399">TS</a>]

00:06:42   i'm going to get rid of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/402">TS</a>]

00:06:43   extraneous it's going to be all plot for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/403">TS</a>]

00:06:46   400 pages and as I am I going to like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/409">TS</a>]

00:06:50   put that in your pipe and smoke it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   what I found really interesting along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   those lines is also that like you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/413">TS</a>]

00:06:56   out not only do you start thinking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/416">TS</a>]

00:06:57   plots going in one direction but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   are certain characters that you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/419">TS</a>]

00:07:00   out thinking okay this gets pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   important and then you know some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   those characters don't make it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   way through the book but like so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   solace solace boyfriend right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/428">TS</a>]

00:07:10   oh he was pegged for death let's be fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   yeah but on the flip side there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/433">TS</a>]

00:07:14   other characters you think are totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   like extraneous right like I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   you know cough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19   yes it's so cool officer or I love III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   thought even I thought even Abdallah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23   Jones of course who is sort of caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/443">TS</a>]

00:07:26   topless in this random you know we'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/446">TS</a>]

00:07:29   through the plot i'm sure a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/449">TS</a>]

00:07:30   he's sort of seems like a threat like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/450">TS</a>]

00:07:31   random character to encounter like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   there is a plot device right and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/454">TS</a>]

00:07:35   turns into this hugely important major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/455">TS</a>]

00:07:38   character throughout the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/458">TS</a>]

00:07:39   book it's like a relay race though is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   like they're running this isn't this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/461">TS</a>]

00:07:42   like an ultramarathon and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   characters are running running and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   a few of them like zula for instance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   makes the way all the way through it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   make an excellent review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53   yeah Peter hands off to Abdullah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   Abdullah becomes that takes up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   missing character position you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   really ok here we go well now we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/479">TS</a>]

00:08:00   zulu natal Ivanovic sort of starts off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   as being kind of important and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   know he's he dies going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08   marlin and I do know your name to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   who said something about characters who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/490">TS</a>]

00:08:11   are so significant and then is willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/491">TS</a>]

00:08:14   to to murder their darlings you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   sets up these from Yvonne is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   character and gets crazier and crazier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   and then he is called and maybe it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   whole new bill he exits on a high note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   you don't want to be mean you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   any crazier than that certain level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   crazy for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/508">TS</a>]

00:08:29   what I really like about ream d is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   actually I can't compare it to lost in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/511">TS</a>]

00:08:34   way except it's lost except everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   comes together at the end but makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   lot of sense because you have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   pages upon pages of these various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   characters backstory you get a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   Olivia that's introduced to the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   of the book for you know you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/526">TS</a>]

00:08:47   okay where did she come from she is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50   been mentioned at all previous to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/530">TS</a>]

00:08:51   and you just have to be patient and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   trust that she's going to get woven into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   the story appropriately and she does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   that I think happens with most of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   oh yeah then you end up with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   Sheamus Costello later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   who's sort of you know comes up like 710 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   yeah i would order the characters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   are introduced later in the book are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/548">TS</a>]

00:09:09   better than only all but a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   ones that you meet near the outset like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   the characterizations get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   interesting by and the and the uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/555">TS</a>]

00:09:19   know the military man I mean they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/559">TS</a>]

00:09:20   they're good kind of archetypes to yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   well i mean but i loved for example i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   love the duality in the this whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   sort of starts off the beginning and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/566">TS</a>]

00:09:27   kinda gets under woman between the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   writers Donald and Devin you know I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/569">TS</a>]

00:09:33   that part it is but it makes know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36   there's no plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/576">TS</a>]

00:09:37   they're really like you kept expecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   that to go in more of a direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   wait a second i just realized i think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   did something to us since we've only had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   the opportunity in our lives and may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45   never have a chance to read this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/585">TS</a>]

00:09:46   book again because we have jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   things it's possible that if you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/588">TS</a>]

00:09:51   and read the book closely that the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   riders approach to fiction is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   mirror two elements the book as you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   that I realized oh he might be playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   with us and the two writers are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   contending through the plot of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/601">TS</a>]

00:10:02   some things that are implausible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   follow one path and something follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/604">TS</a>]

00:10:05   another it's possible but now we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/605">TS</a>]

00:10:08   read the book a couple more times so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/608">TS</a>]

00:10:09   mean that's an interesting reading of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/609">TS</a>]

00:10:10   i think that somebody could go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   no I mean but I i think there is a yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/612">TS</a>]

00:10:15   there's an interesting reason there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16   the tensions of like you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   popcorn me plot vs I think that's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/618">TS</a>]

00:10:19   ground date and those are sort of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   things that are clearly a war with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   Stevenson himself in this book that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/623">TS</a>]

00:10:24   good catch going honda that's very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/624">TS</a>]

00:10:27   good because you've got you've got just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/627">TS</a>]

00:10:28   to touch on this for a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/628">TS</a>]

00:10:29   you've got d squared who is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   completely just arrogant a Cambridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/633">TS</a>]

00:10:38   dawn who is writes a I guess limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/638">TS</a>]

00:10:42   amount of fantasy but it's incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   impeccably researched and Tolkien right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47   yeah and then you've got for catalytic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   or don't just look brings them out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53   he's a fantasy not and it it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   internally consistent and he just cranks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   out book and george george RR martin of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   course no 26 year I meri teri about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/660">TS</a>]

00:11:05   quantity alright i'm sorry you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/665">TS</a>]

00:11:07   the quantity and the sort of all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   yeah you got this very easy he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   here after speed notice george RR martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   has more consistency know he is a he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   a pulpit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/676">TS</a>]

00:11:16   to see novelist like a like a 1 terry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   brooks or uh honorary salvatori ok there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/679">TS</a>]

00:11:23   you know I mean the guy is like the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/683">TS</a>]

00:11:24   who write like the D&D books right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   the novelization of all that and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   crank those suckers out the level above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   admit he's making real money so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/690">TS</a>]

00:11:31   part of making real money but he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   necessarily be putting your great i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/693">TS</a>]

00:11:36   not sure he's not being real money until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   he until Easter with to raising its your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41   right right yeah he's making it up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/701">TS</a>]

00:11:42   volume i can see the point but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/702">TS</a>]

00:11:45   popularizing the the all the ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/705">TS</a>]

00:11:49   the the dawn has he's the one who kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/709">TS</a>]

00:11:52   of popularizers that makes it accessible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   and it is it is a part of the success so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/714">TS</a>]

00:11:57   we're going to take Glenn's idea about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   these two warring parts of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   maybe it's an evil neal stephenson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   mind it's also interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   because the offer all of the highfalutin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   this of the dawn the fact is it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   it's the other guy who makes it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   successful even though he breaks some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   the things that are in and and was back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/737">TS</a>]

00:12:21   in right he has to come back in and fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   everything in the end right one there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/743">TS</a>]

00:12:24   the Apostle pakka lips which has thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   you for what is to come forward green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   that that was pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   that entire section of the book where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   they're just like know all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/752">TS</a>]

00:12:33   words have no adequate molecule meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/753">TS</a>]

00:12:36   and they often be rewritten and anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   that's your hundred-page digression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   although it does serve as a plot purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/760">TS</a>]

00:12:43   because the idea is that there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/763">TS</a>]

00:12:44   kind of war of the war the war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/764">TS</a>]

00:12:48   yeah of the different colors yeah I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51   to come back to that we get the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/771">TS</a>]

00:12:52   the plot because i have some issues with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/772">TS</a>]

00:12:53   it but well it's it's a fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56   it's a fascinating digression now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   it's also somewhat the catalyst for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   a lot of this true enemy and mirrors yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   so structurally eat how this so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07   so much here there's too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/787">TS</a>]

00:13:10   let us let us sum up so the plot here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   I think you can summarize it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/792">TS</a>]

00:13:13   actually a very simple plot right is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/793">TS</a>]

00:13:16   there's of itself it's a story of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   family and some people in it and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   end the family comes back there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   overarching thing about the fourth rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   family I really might open actually i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   love i have that it starts i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   opening chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   we're thanksgiving and it's this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/810">TS</a>]

00:13:33   who's like kind of on the outs with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   family and you don't know why and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/815">TS</a>]

00:13:36   turns out it's because he left home and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   became successful but but in a sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/818">TS</a>]

00:13:42   questionable way it and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/822">TS</a>]

00:13:45   just it's fascinating and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/825">TS</a>]

00:13:46   the his niece who is also kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48   outsider and the texture of that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/828">TS</a>]

00:13:51   the mud out because they're out in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   like Missouri right and now it's a Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   Iowa alright so there in the Midwest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   it's and it's cold and it's muddy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   they're shooting at cans and bottles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   stuff after a while the Thanksgiving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   dessert is being served or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/845">TS</a>]

00:14:08   it's just I love the texture of it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10   thought you know what this is not what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   expected from you'll see even somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/852">TS</a>]

00:14:13   gonna go with it because i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   enjoyed that part of it well so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   story so he's I mean so here's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   the very bare-bones one which is that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   and another follow developed a world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24   warcraft like game he winds up hiring is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   nice after meeting her at this gathering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/867">TS</a>]

00:14:28   she has a boyfriend who's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   slightly asperger e idiot and needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/870">TS</a>]

00:14:33   raise some money fast because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   overextended the real estate market gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   hooked up with Russian mafia a virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   infects machine destroy some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/879">TS</a>]

00:14:40   Russian mafias information and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/880">TS</a>]

00:14:43   wind up in this worldwide trip is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45   people get carried along to China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   because this crazy russian guy this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/887">TS</a>]

00:14:50   of mafioso wants to looks like his house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   of cards is falling apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/893">TS</a>]

00:14:54   he wants to track down the author of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   virus whose he decides to personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/896">TS</a>]

00:14:57   blame for all these ills they wind up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00   that's how the whole first arc of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/900">TS</a>]

00:15:01   story is getting to China figuring this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   out tracking down the people who wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   the rim d virus which infected the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   Russian systems unintentionally and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   lot of other people stuff they get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   then you hand off to the next part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/911">TS</a>]

00:15:12   because they go in expecting to kill all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   these room d virus writers these hackers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/914">TS</a>]

00:15:17   or Stewart holding data free ransom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/917">TS</a>]

00:15:20   instead they run into a muslim terrorism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/920">TS</a>]

00:15:21   cell in China this industrial or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/921">TS</a>]

00:15:24   commercial City they wanted firing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   firing on that apartment full of Muslims [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/927">TS</a>]

00:15:30   and Islamic terrorists who are planning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/930">TS</a>]

00:15:33   to blow stuff up and then you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   handoff and so zula Richards nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/936">TS</a>]

00:15:39   there's a programmer her boyfriends kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/939">TS</a>]

00:15:40   the Russian mafioso is killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   Zula is handed off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/942">TS</a>]

00:15:43   to Abdullah Jones and then takes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   ball any runs where he goes he goes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   goes and they wound up traveling again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   you know a large distances gets them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52   of China eventually into Canada where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/952">TS</a>]

00:15:55   through a large series of adventures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/955">TS</a>]

00:15:56   they finally wind up crossing the border [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/956">TS</a>]

00:15:59   through an area that Richard fourth rass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   when he was a drug runner before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   started the video game company had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/963">TS</a>]

00:16:04   figured that was a way to avoid were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   controlled by going through old mines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/966">TS</a>]

00:16:07   and meanwhile a British spy who's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   to involve the China tracks and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   Richard tracks them down and Richards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   family the rest of them wind up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15   sort of exactly survivalists but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/975">TS</a>]

00:16:18   fundamentalist living on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/978">TS</a>]

00:16:19   of this mining tunnel where it comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/979">TS</a>]

00:16:23   so you get Islam Islamic radicals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/983">TS</a>]

00:16:26   killing people across Canada joining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   together crossing into America and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   hitting the salt of the earth religious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33   fundamentalists for the big final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/993">TS</a>]

00:16:34   showdown what you think that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/994">TS</a>]

00:16:37   good pretty good though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/997">TS</a>]

00:16:38   that's pretty good friend to sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/998">TS</a>]

00:16:39   main skills and apply its think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   two sides of the first is like we learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   all about the video game we learn all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:44   about the culture and whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   they're on their way to try and always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:47   trying to stop in the second half is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   essentially you know Muslim extremists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:52   on the run terminating in this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   run across the border yet no that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   that's exactly it you've got you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   half the book which is setting up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   the you know multiplayer universe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:04   the gold farmers in China and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:07   figure all that out and then the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   half is largely this action story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:13   involving the terrorists in canada and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16   crossing the border and all of that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   turns out you need to know almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:19   nothing about the entire video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:20   backstory in order to understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   second half of the book that pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   disappears after back-to-back yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   it becomes a communications tool later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   as opposed to a plot point Walton and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   not to mention you know hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31   pages there and there's literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   hundreds of pages where Richard who sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:34   of his setup as the main character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:36   the first you know hundred pages just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   not there's no 40 years he goes away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   yeah by the book might be about him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42   I kept waiting for him to come back I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:43   like that word where we're going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   back to him right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:46   I said it's it's like lost each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   character has their section it's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   what kind of a head-fake an author can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:53   give a reader in the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:57   we start at the very beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   book with Richard fourth rest and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:02   by the end of that chapter zula and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   Peter have pulled up and he's befriend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   befriended them a little better said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07   hello to them and and and i think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   go somewhere and it's funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:13   without that chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   you could probably you would probably go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   in assuming that zula is the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   character but he gives you this head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:24   fake where he says no no this is richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   fourth-fastest that is the is the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:28   character here and he's not do list the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   main characters her book is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:31   really soon but absolutely Richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   bookends it is facilitating plot element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   but it's and she's a great i think she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   a great character I mean she does things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   that are extreme but not unrealistic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   can say I can't believe that aerotrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   refugee adopting America's our parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:47   adopted parents killed gone through all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:48   this managed to get her in on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   whip-smart you can see her being that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   resourceful it's not like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   girl her or something it's like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   real so i'm sticking up for Mythbusters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   are it's it's things that somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00   pushed to extremist with capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   would do she just sort of just low-tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   smart things right and she gets a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   of lucky breaks but he also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   realizes when there's an opportunity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   knows when attenuates for it yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   you have that nice section when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14   all trapped in the basement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   they've this is at the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   they've been locked to two chains and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:21   the broth Russian mafia is going to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:25   go kill the Chinese hackers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   she's trapped with two other hackers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   instantly take out lock-picking tools or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   I guess she she gives great yeah she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   gives him her Bobby their hair pins and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   they instantly start lock kicking but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37   you notice she not being a hacker is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:40   well versed in the art of lock-picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41   it does not spend her days idly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   practicing so she actually has to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   for them it's just a nice touch it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   like no not all three characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   expert lock Pickers it's just the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   as a hobby certain people pick up right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:53   well but the to the fact that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   smart and does things like I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   one that got me was when she's locked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   the bathroom of the i rise in China and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   she writes the long note and sticks it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:03   in the drainpipe just thinking like hail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:05   mary hey maybe somebody will find this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   and I kind of felt like you know reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   that ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10   reading in thinking and it sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   that's just kind of a throwaway plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:14   point and maybe someone will find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   like way way down the road or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   and then I sort of forgot about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   then came back and actually made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   actually turns out to be important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   i also got to say I think this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   also Sokolov's as well like he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:29   strong second player he cums in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   think at some of these Russian heavies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   me totally stereotypical and he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36   remarkably resourceful he's addy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   somehow a decent man even though his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:41   former Spetsnaz not even though he kills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:44   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:44   he has the keys the kind of guy that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   always in books of this sort he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   kind of honor a co-designer whole yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51   something's obviously with the soul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   yeah it's not exactly pretty goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   because he's doing things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:56   logical and sensible his big problem he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   doesn't kill people out of anger he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1258">TS</a>]

00:20:59   kills them out of necessity to protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   the client or protect himself and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   further the mission and he's and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   dynamic with ivana right where he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   slowly certifying this guy pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:10   that he's actually going crazy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   trying to like figure out how do we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   out of this situation because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:15   the people above on of we're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   really pissed off when they find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:20   how are we going to get out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:21   saves from three days of the Condor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:22   moment in there where Sokolov's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   well they want me to go out to this ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   but this is not always goes they tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:28   you to go to the ship something goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   wrong they shoot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:31   she never know she never knows no Olivia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   never knows what happened to me somethin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   went wrong it's like I'm not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:37   the thing they tell me to do I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   he was gonna die there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:40   there is no way he was gonna die he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   knew it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:43   yeah I know yeah the one hand you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   he's like oh he's too clever for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:46   but on the other hand you like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48   people died in this book right and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:49   would have been out of the question for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   him to be like well he served his plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   purpose you know maybe he's gonna bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:56   it here he doesn't mean that's nice no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   but it's nice to have that tension right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1318">TS</a>]

00:21:59   like there's too many too many like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   action movies where it's like what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02   is the hero he can't die obviously right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   you know he's the protagonist we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:06   going to see him through all the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:07   the end but whenever you know an author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:10   doesn't mind killing off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11   characters as we've seen several times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   earlier in the book you you get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   worried for the characters that you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:16   of like right because you're not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   they did easily they could kill them off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:21   I can't believe nobody has mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:24   gore yeah I said I don't like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   pronouncement drunk or the Hungarian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   Hungarian hacker rather lovely villa to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:32   love Lord kilgorn he's loved Lord I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:35   all the secondary characters in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:38   this wonderful look well I and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:41   chocolate is another good example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:42   somebody who's like kind of seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   well as he comes in with the bad guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   maybe he's important maybe not and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   turns out to be another very major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49   character and i love i love the Triad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   that he force with he forms with you she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   and Marlon right like you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   they're on the ship and they're likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:57   candidate the engineer and yeah i love i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   love that sort of unlikely pairing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   deal is everybody is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   pragmatic you notice that in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   there are few insane people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:07   Abdullah Jones and and it off but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:10   everybody else is like okay problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:13   happening how do I get out tonight huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   well you know moose and squirrel have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   chosen scroll a bomb final logo want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:21   bomb how do I get out alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:22   I jumped through a window Abdul Jones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   may be insane because he's a terrorist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   but he is very practical as well right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   here lyrics talking like he's one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:31   very smartly pregnant in fact he is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   business like that one of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   really enjoyed about his scenes where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   gathers the various the various guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   first company's initial crew and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   he's got the ones who are sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   the one of the terrorists and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   together like well I BTW if if they ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:48   call me I'm in Canada but if they ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   call me for a job I'm there knowing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   nobody's ever called him and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   calls them into like oh okay all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   for the garage haha he's he's but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   kind of like sociopathically charming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   right like he's got net but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   professional and what strikes me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:05   some of the people he's working with or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   not and you can sense a he he hates them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   right just like they don't I got to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:13   the ladies like you got your lucky its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:14   hard to find good help right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   know there's like Rapids B&C players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   he's got the razor was killed with a CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20   by the way but he's got right he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:23   to make sure she's got yellow shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   well I also likes I can't remember who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   describes him as this I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:28   either a either Sheamus or Olivia but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:32   someone points out that he's not likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   he's not a martyr right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   he thinks he's too thinks he's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   valuable right you keep saying he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   wait for them the right moment but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   never the right moment you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   impression he's kind of maybe kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   coward like it in deep inside and sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   of like thinks he's really smart but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   he's also kind of untouchable and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:54   he sort of slowly sees his plans all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   fall apart even though they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   carefully laid and he's devoted all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   these time to the men in one monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   wrench in the plan and everything goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   to hell yeah you know what i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   there's other arc of the story which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   that I think what I think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:08   things that I'm he's playing with his he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   creates these remarkable like I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   argue in the past that used to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:13   couple of good characters in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   Stephenson book and everyone else sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   of window dressing and it's everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   in the service of the plot and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   there's a lot of movie mannequins around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   in this he's developed only a few really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   good simultaneous plots and a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   bunch of really great characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:30   sort of moves them all around the board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   so sometimes you have things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   video game being predominant and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   focus on very plot e sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:37   understand the way of the world he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   this whole thing going on we're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:40   to the wharf realignment on the side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   then you've got all the stuff where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   very strongly character-driven like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   is not how you would imagine someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:47   would write the scene but this is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   would probably play out like Azula and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   Abdullah stuff where she actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   respects her because she's on her AGame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   right she's somebody who if she were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:59   inside he'd be absolutely pleased to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   have you know working with him so one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   the things that are this that did remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:08   me of other neal stephenson stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:09   mentioned the boat there are there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   segments one of things i always liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   about him and especially the baroque [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:14   cycle is there there are segments of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:17   the books he writes that he willfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   commits to and that they they take on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:22   life of their own and they're not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:25   important to book and he could just move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26   things along and say you know suffice it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:29   to say they were on a boat and a boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   scene struck me as that it's like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:34   suddenly we're in a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35   book which is there are people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   they're stuck in a boat and they have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:38   gas and they're drifting in the South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   China Sea and that none of them know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   to be on a boat and they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   and that was great and it's so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:48   again that's like a whole very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   first off it's practically life of pi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   but it's it's there you know and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:55   commits to it and and those characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   and we've invested in you know that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:59   doesn't get that shirt ripped and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   I felt like that when they when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02   crash-land the jet in in canada in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:05   snowy back reina de yeah and they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:08   and they find a you know like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:09   disused you know shut down like mining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:13   camp and they're there for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   then they been and then the guys come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   back and they've killed some people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:19   stolen there's there there's smoke truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:22   or whatever and then they use that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   was fully committed to in a way that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   really like how he can kind of take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   set pieces and compartmentalize them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   and really commit to them so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:34   get engrossed and and it's really you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   know i said this about a few authors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:39   that i really like it feels like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:40   could be a whole books worth of an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   and he just tosses it off as you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   couple hundred pages inside this or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   hundred pages inside this thousand-page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:50   well that's the same thing with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   the word realignment I mean ready player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   one you know would have fit neatly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   inside a few chapters of this book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   terms of the amount of plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59   sophistication and the length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   yeah yeah ready player one through five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:04   importantly that's the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   strikes me about Stephenson having read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:07   2.55 of his novels I is oriental decimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:13   places well i know well as iphone pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   but it's interesting because a lot of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   lot of the time when i was reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   book and then we're not was also reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:22   snow crash and now cryptonomicon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   feels like if he had wanted to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:28   could very easily been a george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:29   martin let's write five or six books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   about this topic but Stephenson phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   seems to find a way to craft a coherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:37   narrative over the course of one book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   that doesn't necessarily feel like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   should be chopping it up into segments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:43   which I find interesting is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:47   mechanisms running I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   thing is he's a he's an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50   watchmaker in his worst books the hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53   springs go out of control and destroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   the inside your kind of left with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:56   what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   like the end of cryptonomicon i will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   spoil it for you ready I'm left going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   like there were a lot of plots and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   all unraveled at the end I never felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   like a Stephenson's worse problems while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   he was bad attending yeah always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   bad endings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:10   he's all like he's gotten he's gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   better i mean i think i think baroque [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   cycle through an M through 3d he's shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:18   progress in each of those I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   horribly disappointed at the end of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   is like it's what i would say obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   it was like 40 disappointed culminates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   in a huge climactic fight right like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   know just exactly what you expect to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   a nice little day newmont at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:31   where it sort of wraps up what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:33   to the characters in case you're curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:34   that's right and and that's that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   you know he's I think you know knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   when to stop has always been his problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:41   and I think either he's got a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:42   an editor who's like hey Neal you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   plenty here this is good wrap it up or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   he's just sort of figured out like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   yeah I've come to the end here I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   really impressed about how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   ridiculous amount of plot and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   ridiculous amount of characters kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   came together at the end because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   really you have them coming from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1798">TS</a>]

00:29:59   angles you even have Marlon yuxia you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:02   have them winding up in the same place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   in Iowa it's just impressive how how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:08   makes the travels and the fact that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   through this entire book I had no clue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   what was going to happen next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   couldn't even fathom it I assumed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   with the terrorists all right they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   going to get to Canada and maybe the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20   but the rest of the characters no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:24   well he you find that later again if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   if i have the gumption someday to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   this book i have read and then I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   two or three times and there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   breadcrumb see plants when officers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   tried before shot to win but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:35   realized this like going back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   looking a little bit like oh yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:38   know back there in the first scene he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   planting the seed you know yeah he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41   of Richard was a drug runner he figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44   out this great way to get through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:45   border without having to build its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:46   tunnels and so you know over that period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:49   of time it's like you realize oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   where his brother settle to sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52   black black black sheep of the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   the one is really far out there and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   you go along you realize these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:58   converging all of these crumbs to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   resort in the north side of this tunnel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   and the homesteading people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:05   fundamentalist on the south side and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   can sort of feel it all sort of coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   together and it's going to all pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:10   do that through that tunnel one way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   the other looks like a GPS right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   know point and you've no point being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   that you have no idea what route it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17   actually going to take so here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   here's my highfalutin analysis of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:23   which is I was struck by how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:28   this book is about people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   culturally out of place it in in a in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:38   foreign culture or out of alignment with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:41   their culture and i'll just run off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   few examples you have the war of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   realignment which is all about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:46   forming cultures and drawing lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   between themselves that that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   comes out of this universe built by d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:55   squared which is then a lived-in by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:59   Skeletor who does not really have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   same he doesn't really match it but on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:05   personal level you get zula who is a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:09   African child adopted by white people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   in America you've got Abdullah Jones who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:17   is a I believe in african descent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:21   Welshman who converts to Islam and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:25   becomes a jihadist you've got Olivia who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:29   is an Englishwoman of Chinese descent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:32   which allows her to be turned into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   operative for mi6 in Asia even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:38   she's very English you've got Richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   and Richards brothers who are both sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:45   of like disaffected from culture the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:48   brothers are totally cut off from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   american society basically living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   this homestead Richard is cut off from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   his family you know you've got it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:58   on and on the these where where so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   people and so many situations in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   book are about people who are not i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:07   on one level it's just they're not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:08   what you'd expect they're not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   they don't fit the mold but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:12   that's purposeful that that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:15   this almost everybody in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   somebody who is that what you show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20   from another part of China and has and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:23   culturally is complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:24   really different from where she ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:25   and and she's missing lines like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   everybody in this book is a round peg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:30   strut that stuck in a square hole you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:33   and you get this with be scared Scotty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   squared and skeletor you already sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:36   mentioned d squared C squared the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   land and well and nobody's going to tag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   d squared is never as d square never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   play the video game and your is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   dragged and totally invested in there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   build up contingency legions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   skeletor doesn't know this highfalutin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   literary work because he's a whole pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   and he gets dragged into this thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   arguments about apostrophes right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   but anyway I think I think it's good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   know I think Stephenson is that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   certainly an undercurrent here is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:04   the these are all about people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   in who are not sort of what you'd expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   in the role that therein and a and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:14   love that I i think that i think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   great but I i think it's got to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   most obvious examples being sulla and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   Abdallah Jones who are not if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:25   not from where they're from and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   some says something about that's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   their character and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:32   I mean but in database root for writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   it creates tension right because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   different from all the people around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:37   them and that creates conflict and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   that's what drives the plot forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:40   everybody's in that situation in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:41   book that's why I think it's more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   just him structuring it for conflict i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45   think that he's he's trying to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:48   on purpose to have it this this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   in some way I think about being somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53   who's out of place right down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   fact of somebody who doesn't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:56   an MMO can't really understand what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:59   going on inside the MMO because they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:00   not they don't fit in the culture it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:03   all a cultural misfit even though even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   though the Russian even Ivana is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:09   like broken he his bosses don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   he's not behaving properly he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   fit in anymore and sokoloff doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   really fit anymore because he's got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   job but he doesn't really clearly he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   doesn't really fit what they're asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:21   him to do which is it goes on and on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   and it i just kept being fascinated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   finding that every single person views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   themselves as being like disaffected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   from the the job they're in or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   culture there in or they're different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   some way you know and i I just I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   that was that's my that's my take on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39   I don't like to talk about some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   characters we didn't like or like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:45   know there are some characters that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:46   disposable like Peter I think Peter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49   boyfriend as my boyfriend is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50   because he's sort of unlikable when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   meet him and you figure well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   the character development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:55   we're gonna learn to understand why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:56   should like him it's like no he's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   of a jerk he makes really bad decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:01   and they get worse and worse and finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   he when he's killed i gotta say i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   the fact that Ivana is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:09   indifferently at times a gentleman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   he thinks doula is worthy of respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:12   because of how she comports herself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   her intelligence and he even off despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:17   being in this situation where he's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   and he's lost all this money from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:20   consortium he represents that is chasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23   to China he still trying to defend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   notion so Peter is killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   not because Peter did something wrong or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   croston he's killed because Yvonne up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:32   offended that Peter has left his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   girlfriend chained by yvonne off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   downstairs to die and Peter should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:39   why does Peter steal the credit cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:42   that gets him in this also he's got he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:43   behind it's a mortgage thing days under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   these underwater he's underwater and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   he's worried he's gonna lose his loft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:49   and by extension that means that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:50   can't run the thing is doing its like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   it's it's not that well defined but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   think it's sort of supposed to be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55   like a bad reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:56   well you haven't had a very casual thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   instead of borrowing money from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   selling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01   filing for bankruptcy is like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02   used to do this I know how to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   I'm going to do one last haul my last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07   job that I retire and causes everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   else to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:10   yeah a sort of blend you do blend is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   other thing is the thing that set this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:13   all in motion of course is Peter on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:14   one hand then Richard who completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   essentially innocently spreads rindy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   virus so that it it triggers this event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:22   Peters callousness the casualness of can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   you give me a USB stick he hands in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   and then that's where everything goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   right don't forget don't forget Wallace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31   in there to write the match has been lit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:32   a fleeting character who and yet we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   got that chain right Wallace gives way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   to Avon of gives way to Jones you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:40   and sort of you know everything goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   downhill from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:43   I like Wallace though as as briefly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   we see him as well as long as you last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   yeah yeah I was surprised that the ex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   we killed by the mob the monster who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   also the gamer I do kind of enjoy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   enjoy that there is a rent like i enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:55   that sort of bizarreness that bed comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:58   with this fact that like you know at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2278">TS</a>]

00:37:59   view hand-waving oh it's a game it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   really popular more popular in World of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:02   Warcraft and the people that we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   playing it include the bookkeeper for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:07   the mob basically we get the name is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:11   Kelly realize it shames yeah the CIA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   operative I was thinking even just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:14   throwaway character that Richard sees in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   the diner and he looks over he's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   coffee shop out visiting Skeletor right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   and there's a guy playing t rain and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   he calls up you know his buddy at the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:25   the office and says oh yeah how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:26   people are logged on from this diner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   whatever like we got the impression that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:29   there's people out there in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:30   of no Missouri or wherever he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   visiting this guy who are playing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   game this game is huge i can we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   let's talk about the word realign middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:37   because I think that's an extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   interesting development in here which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42   to say basically they end up so like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:46   you know game of this sort of a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:48   you know promulgated on the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49   we've got good we got your characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   and evil characters whether it's by A&E [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:53   or something like warcraft you can be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   the enzyme and all the sudden you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   there is this sort of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58   realization that it doesn't really make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2338">TS</a>]

00:38:59   sense because the people who are quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   unquote evil aren't doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:04   particular different from the people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   work photon quote good so it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:08   arbitrary distinction actually says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   same coin but they need it right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   it makes the tension it makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   conflict in the game and so this war of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   realignment is shifting from instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   it being about good versus evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   it's about something very different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   I think you know without sort of delving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:24   directly into it i think it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   taste right now that's what it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   comes down and it emerges from it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:31   emerges from the game it's not intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   by the game and it emerges from the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   that the game is being played by human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:38   beings who have differences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:40   different worldviews that go way beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:43   picking when you set up the game well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   i'm going to be evil because I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46   be one of those cool characters that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   only available in evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   well I think it kind of reflects on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   game itself because when you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   the the reason why terrain was created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   in the first place is Richard basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   says well you know why was popular and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:59   that's great but this basically gives us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   a way to monetize all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   these chinese gold farmers and make gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   farming an actual legitimate profession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   see already you have that where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:10   Americans are playing the game for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   completely different reason than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   rest of the cut the rest of the world so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   you already have that imbalance and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   bring in even more well you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   people who want to play the game as d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   squared envisioned it you know with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   know with all old costuming and correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:30   colors and things like that and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31   have and and and this is a real tension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   with a lot of online games where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   like there's the people who want to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36   for the like the role-playing story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:38   elements and then there are the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   that were there to play you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:41   hack-and-slash game and don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   really except the stories just there as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   a crutch right you know the world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   there's a crunch and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   other people who are just really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:49   everything that's that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   created by that world and and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   very I think that's a very real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   distinction in you know a lot of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   that exists today and so it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   fascinating to see that taking on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:00   what if those were to become the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   factions and I mean I don't know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   there is there an implicit sort of class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:07   warfare almost between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   given the representations that we get of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   like Donald and Devin you know as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:14   two polarizing figures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   oh it certainly seems like adequately oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   one of them lives in a castle and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   other was in the trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:21   yeah good point it's an excellent like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:24   they're both kind of majestic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   infrastructures in their own ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   well and they're both kind of jackasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   right i remember reading a remembering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:31   lord of the rings and then sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   Shannara and you know if I refined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:36   childhood recollections right so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   different kinds of things like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:39   Shinar like yeah there was a mythos i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:40   think i got develop more but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   really like a big hack him up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   it was much more of a hack them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:45   Vision Quest you know broad strokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   thing versus you know for like a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   created in order to enshrine languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:52   with a grammar that a cut cambridge dawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   had developed and attracts different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   people some people want first-person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:57   shooters that they just kill lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:00   stuff and I mean penny arcade the comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   is constantly full of basically that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   tension between this is a really subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   game and look we have these scrolls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   plant that kills y'all kill John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   and that's I think that's a constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   tension between the sophistication of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:15   some aspects of game design and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   desire to be highfalutin you know here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:19   a virtual environment which we could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   anything so why we just shooting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:22   but it's like the constant arguments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   that we get over whether or not video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:25   games are art right you know Roger Ebert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:29   i know has delved into that pool and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   variety of other people as well but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   that idea is it is there some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   higher can it can it reach a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   realm or is it just about killing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   or is there are inherent in the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:42   something even if it's just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:43   killing people like you know that again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   this could be a whole book and yet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   sort of ends up being falls by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   wayside as Randy progresses i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:52   say that I one thing i like about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   novelties i'm assuming because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   way Neal Stephenson works that I learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   a lot this was a day after school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   special about the Russian mob and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   chinese people living in different parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:05   of the country and British Columbia's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   byways and highways you know what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   writing long features for wired like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   believe he traveled around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12   possibly twice once to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:15   fiber-optic and where it was being built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:16   in weird places like the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   indonesian jungles and and another time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:21   we followed container ships you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   like what it was the unit of container [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24   and how its developed and where they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   and I feel like this is kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   equivalent equivalent of that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   the he went the the the detail is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:33   refined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   I don't believe he made it up everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   here played massively multiplayer games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:39   before and not massively I'm not that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:43   heavily now I mean I played games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   have that multiplayer element the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:48   serve you know like an MMORPG minus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   first and that's not what you say I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   played World of Warcraft once or twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   alright wow I I'm i love you i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:59   little bit i played in the beta of world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   of warcraft which I realizes now since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   that was when my son was in utero that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   like seven years ago now that their 7th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:08   anniversary i believe Josh my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   played that much more than me actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   and then and then she had a baby and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   then there were two children and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:15   was that for World of Warcraft but sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   of a lot more time we did play at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   and and and that gave me enough of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   perspective on it I think 22 to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:24   it's about but I wonder what that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   be does this book make as much sense do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:29   you feel if you've never really played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   those games do you feel as if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   understand what they're about by reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   this doesn't have that kind of tour you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   know I'd feel speaking as someone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   never played an actual MMO but has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   played a lot of other games i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   there's stuff that translates even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:47   that two other you know from other sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   of gaming or for other interactions with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   people it there are very recognizable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54   ideas in here and it's not a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56   stretch in you you know especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:57   someone who's universe kind of in gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   culture like I'm familiar enough with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   the tropes and thing and an element so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:03   that make up an MMO to sort of recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:06   them here and it seems pretty clear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:07   know that this is a pretty accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   description of what goes on and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:13   hard to extrapolate you know the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   people that you're going to run into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:16   people like you know the trolls right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   who are there to just sort of do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:21   know cause havoc to a certain extent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   and proper rivers understand right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   the griefers and you know all that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   mean that's really interesting and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:29   think I think what's fascinating to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   about the world of T rain as its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   described is the sort of key that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   Richard hooks into in coming up with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:39   which is let's take gold farming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42   legitimize it and and build our game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   around it right and not only do that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   like you know basically in order to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:51   sure that it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:52   duplicate the exact same sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   structures that we deal with in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   life if you had to farm gold what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   sense i mean it's if you if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   to produce that kind of a game you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   that kind of a structure to back it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   you can't just randomly put gold there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   because somebody is going to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   the algorithms and Exploited right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:11   you wouldn't have to explain that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:12   book write and say like all the others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:13   golden shows up with you get into how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:16   works and it's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   I've never done an important either so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   have no idea how they play but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:21   feel I don't feel lost in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:22   environment but i have to say i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   again Stephenson is accuracy the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:27   that technical details were accurate was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   awesome especially after reading ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   player one with impossible you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   verizon see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:34   whatever crash yes and it's it borders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   on precondition I i like um one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:40   things that always struck me about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42   world of warcraft is the do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   where your character died is unlike him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   in a ready player one when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   character dies and they're dead and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   gotta start over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   yeah that would really haha umm you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   into like a limbo state and you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   to where you were uh you know the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   time off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2818">TS</a>]

00:46:59   yeah you gotta go to run as a ghost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   go back to you know it's you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   basically a time penalty when you die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   and so I love how you know it's got its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:10   got a death mechanism and it's got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   idol mechanism where Richard when he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   taken a viewers when ya when he richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   has taken by abdullah Jones and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   dragged it basically across the border [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:22   you know the last thing we see is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   character which is the basically the god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   of terrain is it just auto walking back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:30   jogging back to his home i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:33   little detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34   yeah I i want to read my my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:38   little passage from this book which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   think you may be fine surprised about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   what part of this book it's from but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   just made me laugh and it's so absurd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   and it's it describing so so donald d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51   squared the the highfalutin cambridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:55   Don who has his castle on the Isle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:58   Man's he it says surrounded himself with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:02   toadies who are basically Society for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:05   Creative Anachronism type people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   he's living as a consultant to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   high-tech company he's living in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:11   castle that is trying to be immaculate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   immaculately medieval so what happens if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   you want to contact him and and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:19   worked it out and this is my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   passage which was like this so the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:23   pipeline network like this down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   Douglas the primary city of the Isle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   Man the girlfriend of one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28   medievalists who dwelled in a flat there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   i happen to rather like tampons would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   read these squares email as it came in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   filter out the junk and print out a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   copy of anything that seemed important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   and zip it up in a waterproof messenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   bag when it came time to walk her dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   she would stroll at the waterfront [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43   promenade until she reached the wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   elephant train station its northern end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   where she would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   the bag to the station nation with later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   handed over to the conductor of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:51   narrow-gauge electrical train that wound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   its way from there up to the interior of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54   the island at a certain point along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   line it would be tossed out onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   sighting and later picked up by d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2938">TS</a>]

00:48:59   squared is gamekeeper who would carry it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   up the hill and place its contents on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   the desk of the in-house troubadour who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   had translated into medieval on sea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   chicken and then sing and or recited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   d squared at mealtime the lord of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   manor within dictate a response that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   would follow the reverse route back down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   the hill to the girlfriends laptop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:19   oh wow it's a wonderful guy that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:23   have been the most unrealistic part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   the entire but I don't know some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   actually it's correct their lives to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   more like that larry ellison is built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   some kind of Japanese reconstruction on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:32   top of a little pop in woodside so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:35   in order to get an email to larry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:36   ellison like me to send in just a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:39   actions you actually have to assassinate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:40   three people to send email larry ellison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   it's pretty takes a big toll so be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   careful as I realize that's ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   but I mean there are lots of directors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   great it's like great detail but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   it so he's created his own kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   physical tr8 right space created this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53   this replica of an age that never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:57   existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:58   why go into the internet when you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2998">TS</a>]

00:49:59   just buy a castle exactly but I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:02   that when they need he goes into the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04   know into T rain he doesn't have shoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   right but he doesn't need to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:10   because they cost of these like I waste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:11   money on shoes I don't you choose here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   and that's fascinating know that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:14   that's an interesting point right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:16   because the you this is this guy who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   who insists upon you know authenticity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   right very similar to do like he wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   to look real and yet when he goes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27   the game it's I don't want to waste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:28   money on shoes he has very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   respect for the game at first right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   it right and that's fascinating because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   it's a divergence and not you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:38   a snob right like that's essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   what he is he looks down on all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:42   and so it's funny though that he forsake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   his own principles to a certain extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   once he gets immersed in that world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   what's interesting to me there is he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   completely snobbish about the game until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53   Richard basically is like hey look you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56   can earn money here you can pay for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:59   these wonderful things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   I'm putting in your castle and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   help us build a world your knowledge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:06   this culture is valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:09   right i mean but that essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:10   undermines to a certain extent right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   like because this whole thing is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:13   know he didn't last and / yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:16   exactly mr. I mean that six-shot you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   sell out and make money but go right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   we're back to that and so he's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22   saying that the taste is kind of a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   in the end right you know like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   doesn't you know he doesn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   the only run skin deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   well you know and if he's he's a Don [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   who's running a food made money ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   fantasy novels who's already sold out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   right I really didn't see it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:39   he you know he think he like Tolkien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40   he's come up with the language and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   know the whole society and culture you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   know he's kind of like you kind of pic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   from is that guy who desperately wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   to be you know respected academically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   but even though he really secretly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   wanted to write all this like trashy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   fantasy so I want to talk about the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   of the book because it does end in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   hail of bullets and uh I don't read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:03   lot of books that end with this much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:06   gunplay and there's like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:07   detailed I I thought it was strange that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   he was thinking uh experts on ammunition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:14   and and and weaponry in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   acknowledgments but no no it i see why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   because it's incredibly detailed in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:25   and I just wanted to know what you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   thought about the action sequence at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   end we've gotta chase we have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:30   different groups coming through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:31   mountains there's a helicopter that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:34   shot down by a guy and then somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:37   blow something up but then there's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   should go to your booby traps in tunnels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:42   and there's a UH exchange of gunfire on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:45   a hillside or around like a guy was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   anymore mind grabbing his chest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   yeah and then and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   there's that you know the shack and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:52   the houses in the settlement and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   the terrorists coming down from through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:58   the air coming through the tunnel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3178">TS</a>]

00:52:59   another the other terrorists were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   up the street into the neighborhood and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:04   I mean he has so many pieces and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:08   messy and but it's it is exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:11   um you know it's not what i expected i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:15   just wondering what you guys thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:16   that the the end because the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   drops all pretense of being about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   know p whatever we've said this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   about it and in many ways it just comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   down to people with guns getting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   right position so that they can shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:28   other people try mean I I've little I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:32   read a lot of tom clancy I've heard a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   few I've read a few tom clancy's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:37   there are some tom clancy's that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:38   kind of you know the kind of read like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   this it and you know it it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   reminiscent of that and yet somehow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   you know maybe I maybe I just maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   myself and caught within that war of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   taste and and wanted to be better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:52   that but I mean it is gripped write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:56   unit's gripping it's page-turning and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:57   think you know he does a very good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   of sort of not only making it just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:02   what the hail of gunfire but also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   know we do have some some relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05   stuff going on in these last few pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   because we have you know Richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   thinking he's basically you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   toast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:12   he's just happy that you know he got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   Sula back and happy that she'll survive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:17   you know if he doesn't make it out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   we get you know a number of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   characters who just sort of are working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   towards some other goal and we get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   their relationships and interactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:26   with some of the other characters and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   i was surprised in the end that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   thought more of the characters that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   liked we're going to bite it and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   the only one who really the old we lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   to right and they're both kind of minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   characters I mean not in there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40   importance but in their screen time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:43   yeah well i was i was kind of I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:46   he did such a great job i was far more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:47   interested i should say in the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   the t-brain aspect of this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:52   thought it was so interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53   original and I was kind of disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   when it i could it was there is a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   shift into ok now it's just going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:00   a thriller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   I mean it's a well-written thriller but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   I was hoping I thought the book could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:06   so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:07   it was good but I wanted to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   amazing and I just kind of thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   ended kind of like a cliche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:14   well that was that was my feeling when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   they made the turn is that I started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:17   think I wonder if this really is him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   realizing that cory doctorow did a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   book about gold farmers and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:25   an MMO it you know in China and i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:28   will do something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:29   well i should point out you having for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   the win which I don't like to think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:32   don't think there was a minority opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   at the time or only one also read it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:37   the wind has you know Chinese American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:40   people and other strange nationalities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   spring the globe and conspiracies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   mafioso and things being kicked down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:47   people being killed unexpectedly in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:48   middle of the book it's a big shaggy dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   story to a very different kind of want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:52   lot more political than this because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:55   not sure there's a only the moral of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:56   this story is there don't live it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3356">TS</a>]

00:56:00   don't be a terrorist on the left one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   killed exactly don't be late again vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:05   you vs well I mean I did the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   themes are august i think our are part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:10   of it that that you've got not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:13   family and the fourth rest family that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16   have a lot of differences but in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   you know I know it's hokey but they that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:21   that is one of the messages here is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   people pull together and they may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   some differences but in the end you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   the you stick with the people who matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   to you and you see these different oddly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   paired people come together and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:34   that's sort of a theme of it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:35   not exactly something kind of deep an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   earth-shattering you know the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   is that everyone wants to belong to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41   something right so right all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   outsiders exactly all the characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   looking for some connection which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:48   also kind of cliche but you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   theme in lots of stuff and and we do end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:53   up with a lot of them paired off at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:54   end right which I thought was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:57   little it turned into a little bit until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   I guess Shakespearean combinational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:00   couples everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   yeah everybody's getting married at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   end except for except for Richard a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:05   of love story hiding inches thousand off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:08   there is but not i mean not one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   really makes any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   no it's mostly gen hey we're all I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14   it's like okay so Olivia who i love i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:17   actually think is a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   character one of the funny things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   Olivia's when she said on her mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   she specifically told basically please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   don't have sex with anybody which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   like hey wow that's what I'm just a lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:29   is she makes equipment like James Bond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   gets to you and how come I don't ya at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   what I mean she's the most i like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   relationship the best out of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   girls you because it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:38   that has a substitute go through all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   that and then and then there are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   island right they swim to the Taiwanese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   island and and they you know well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:48   tired and you know we got to spend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   night here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:51   alright and that's adding one of one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   the things that my friends used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   criticize Stephenson about in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:57   earlier books is starring in gratuitous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   sex scenes all the time which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   still a little i mean he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02   cryptonomicon and in Snow Crash to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:05   certain extent like it's just like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:08   yeah it's probably the sexy in here like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10   it doesn't it's kind of weird like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   it makes sense into a certain degree in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   the in the illogical plot but you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   didn't necessarily need Bolivian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   sokoloff i felt i was earned right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:19   mean yeah they have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   relationship with anybody I mean like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   much as I like gore and Zula his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:26   fascination with her like it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:29   strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:30   yes on it's sort of like you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   sees it's like love at first sight right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   and I mean I like too much better when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   he was the foil to Peter and like Peters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:39   a jerk and doesn't really care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:42   anything but soooo does and stronger was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:43   like hey you know like i'm kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   gentleman you know at least be polite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:47   but like the fact that he then goes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:50   the way across you know around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   to track her down is a little bit thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55   yeah you did get the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   Stephenson he wanted to get some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   together he wanted to be about love in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:01   the end straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:02   love conquers all people and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   seemed no one love to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   love conquers all but not as much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   got unstuck and unhurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   I i do like Abdullah Jones is excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:15   a in a by nearly by animal that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:19   like you know it's an ok it's a cougar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   at Penn or whatever he says it is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   it is it's a it's a it's a cougar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:26   mount like what does he say says it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   it's a big cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29   yeah it's just a big cat but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:32   of course because nobody in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   then Richard I mean that's the great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:35   know loop there as you open with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   shooting guns for the hell shooting gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   to the beginning and the end with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   you know shooting doing the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   have to do which is to shoot Jones & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   Jones finally being flummoxed after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48   many thousands of miles and thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:51   life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:51   there's nothing operatic or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53   about that that death which actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:54   kind of appreciate it is that in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   which is finally got a shot and he takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:58   it and Jones is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   it and Jones is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   and that's it I was wondering I mean did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   you guys find yourself wondering who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   gonna get to do it you know like because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   i'm certain poetic justice right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08   kind of expect Zullo more but at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   same time you're kind of relieved that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   she doesn't have to be you know have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:15   that sort of burden or what have you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:16   you know have to you know kill somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:19   face like that or something but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   know it's interesting I kept wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:23   who was going to turn out to be 0 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:25   gonna turn out to be Sheamus was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:26   know Sokolov I don't know after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:29   bash in Richards brothers skull with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:32   own prosthetic leg I feel like Richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   kind of gets the honor there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   why makers you know basically to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   shoot up his best friend and get him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   blow himself alright that was spread out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   that was badass and I do I like cat i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:48   like i like his little digression at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49   beginning right was riding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:50   motorcycle and he gets the corn stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   like shoved up his eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:54   oh yeah terribly terribly grows it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:57   kind of forget about times before he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:58   goes away for like 700 pages then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   comes back and he's like that so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:04   wrapping up what are we what do we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:08   what you know in the grand scheme of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:12   neal stephenson and his books and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:15   just sort of that's as its own thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   what's the verdict on windy always buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:21   kilogram of tea from a short Chinese one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:24   wearing bright luminous i gotta-i gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27   fortunate said that the other day we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:28   recently by worked out didn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:31   I I mean depends on your definition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:34   art out and she ever go home again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:36   oh that's good question know what so uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:39   so what's the verdict ran what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   think I quite liked it is again having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:44   only read to stevens and books i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:46   started with no crash and then i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   this one so far my my records pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:51   good of course i'm still halfway through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52   cryptonomicon so anything there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   really a quite light my kryptonite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:57   economy is Krypton is worth weather for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59   the journey if not the if not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   destination so Scott what did you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   of this book I have conflicted feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:07   about this book after you I ready player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   one either before or after this and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   is clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   like 14 million times better than ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   player one haha there's there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   comparison love uu x 0 scat well its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:21   trip which ready player one it's so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:24   may I don't think he would hate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   book that much I didn't like it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:27   was stunned level of hate and yeah it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:31   set where we did a whole pie Kassai we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   don't need I didn't like it i just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36   so if every remind very successful i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:39   thought it was a fun book but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:40   thought I have to admit that he kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:43   missed an opportunity to write like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   great book and i know i read some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   interviews with him after reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49   book because I was like this book is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   anything like what I expected and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53   just wanted to write a thriller and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55   he wrote a thriller have you know check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:58   you succeeded neal stephenson yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:02   alright Dan what about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:05   I quite liked it as well you know our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:07   colleague John syracuse I asked me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:09   other night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:10   should I read this and I SAT there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   thinking about it for a while trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   figure out how to answer that question i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   mean i think i recommended to I a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:21   people including I think I told him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23   the end I think he should read it i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   not sure if you like it or not but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   think it's a good book and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:31   like Scott says a kind of it goes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:32   their a direction obviously that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   don't expect a lot and in such is not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   is very unexpected but unexpected book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:40   for neal stephenson but then again all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:41   of neal stephenson books are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43   unexpected this guy's reading like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:44   like a huge epic about like the Mongols [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:47   right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:48   among other things so but in the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:51   the day I i really like it i had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53   minor quibbles and flaws but in it grips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:56   and it keeps you going right like I kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   wanting to read the next page and in if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3838">TS</a>]

01:03:59   you know sort of some it down to that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01   think that's a that's pretty successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   giving you know reader to turn the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   to want to turn the page is a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:06   so that's the magic trick d laundry on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:09   your part of a writer and he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:10   accomplish that a thousand time so I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:14   and what about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:15   I think this is one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   students and novels and I actually quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:19   you know I I like NM i read if you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:23   that you have to establish base camps at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   various points in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   be supplied with you because it's a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:28   trip to the top and then you have to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30   down the other side that's right then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   you have to climb down with the quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:33   literally actually go and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   together with old down the Avatar I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   to the east but the but I've been all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:40   worth it I thought he did a terrific job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   in integrating like keeping the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:45   that that we like about his work without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:48   pandering to us you know it doing his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   sort of oh I don't know it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:53   Moby Dick is kind of like that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:56   put that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:57   I bet your partner gonna start cleaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:58   tag urban television in that you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:02   likes to be heard that villain and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03   middle of you know fighting away i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:05   have 500 pages on your abstract whale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07   oil but he and he said he submerges that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:11   desire just like a whale here and made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:14   it much more riveting story and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:16   i like that i was surprised I was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:18   of like okay wow this is different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20   then just raced through it read it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:21   crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:22   I'll compare this to Great Bear a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   years ago that is a sci-fi author by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   trade I think now not really consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   that he can move the book called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:29   Quantico that was sort of about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   American racks anthrax attacks and had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33   plausible scenario about coming created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:35   somewhere and there was no mysterious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   man traveling around the country and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   weird attacks in Islamic extremists or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:42   Jewish extremist something in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:44   perhaps and and so forth and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:46   think I don't feel like that pulled it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:48   off like he just couldn't make a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:50   story without having supernatural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:51   ridiculous elements it was he was rooted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:54   in the real and he couldn't make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:55   transition give up the things that made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57   Greg Barrett what what he is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3957">TS</a>]

01:06:00   Stephenson I think you know he tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02   tell a good story in this time he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:04   did it just it just moves along there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:05   a point where I'm just devouring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   book as fast as I can which I i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:10   recall ever having done with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   but maybe we start crashing zodiac are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   more like that snow crash is less dense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   but there are a lot shorter and shorter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   you still crossed over too many times or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:20   it's just you know I think I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:23   his weakest book i think almost the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:24   diamond age which I feel like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   know what you like that there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:28   great stuff in it that's my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30   ways lots of my favorite of his yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:31   really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:32   Scott nice you're wrong down with me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:35   have a land of evolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:36   Stephenson fight club episode clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   but diamond a job that was full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   clever stuff but I don't feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   come together and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:43   extraneous things lots of sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   know weird cultural ideas the end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:46   throwing a blender and then make us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   believe was real but I great stuff at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   this I felt held together as a real as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   an interesting work without without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:53   going too far astray from his core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:56   liking this thing we like about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   thank you Jason what did you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:02   oh thank you for asking Scott your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   mobile uh I liked it but i want i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:10   some caveats III I like that it has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:13   ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:14   even though the ending is really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:15   ratcheting of the plot machinery Neal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:19   Stephenson has a real problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   endings and I like his i love his work i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   really do it's so inventive i love his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:26   digression sometimes the digression of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28   the best part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:29   they're just so delightfully strange and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   fully realized but his hands like Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:34   Crash such a great book and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   is just a disaster it he doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   what to do and and I feel that way in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   lot of his books and sometimes I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   like the length of his books because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:43   can't figure out how to end it so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45   just keeps writing hoping that you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:48   struck down and they'll say well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   unfinished but here it is and so so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:53   like that this book has an ending and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:56   don't mind that it ends and in a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:59   hail of gunfire I what I'd say is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:02   it's a strange conglomeration of a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   at as as interesting and and strange as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:08   it is that the book takes a left turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:09   when sulla decides to send them to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:11   wrong apartment in China because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:14   really what this is she says go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:15   third floor instead of the second floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:17   or whatever fifth floor into the sixth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:20   floor might what I would say is i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:24   this book would have been better if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:27   stories were more integrated and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:30   wasn't a left turn and so what what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:34   ended up getting was when you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:38   that climax with the guns that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:41   also something happening in terrain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:46   there's more you know it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48   simultaneous and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:49   and it's part of a bigger story and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:52   where I felt let down with I just felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:55   let down that he was dropping large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:58   elements and that you know it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:03   messier than i thought i would like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   feel like I don't have a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:06   what he did but I feel like it was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   of too big of a change for him to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:11   so he just went ahead with the left turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   and my sort he throws are in ballast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:17   overboard in order to you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19   achieve or or something like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:20   let all the air out of the balloon to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   land the plot or something right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:23   right yeah it's something sure those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:26   little words was a template so you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:30   throwing all those metaphors out that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   until I hit enjoy the chase for the up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:34   with what you know you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:35   it's sort of like what I what I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37   to have at the end was was the action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:40   integrated a little bit more with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   of the other kind of technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:43   extrapolation stuff no I i totally agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   with you because the video game at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   point you're like wait a minute they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:48   sort of this brushed off that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   thing that we've been talking about for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:51   inner pages in passing here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53   that's been connective tissue suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   it's completely unimportant compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:57   you know the local police department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:59   flying in a helicopter which could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:00   suddenly shot down by the air-to-ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   missile yeah yeah so so I liked it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   that was my that so that would be my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   take those I wish it was more integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09   together instead of it just being a left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   turn because as clever as that left left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:13   turn twist is in a way cuz you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   whoa I'm surprised it goes for the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:17   of the book and it ends up not seeming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:19   so much as a clever authorial decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:22   as it does that he regretted the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   he was writing and decided to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   something different and at so i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   that that he wrote it he's learning how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   to do an ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:31   I wish that it had been more of a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:34   work instead of feeling like a book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   he started and thought better of and bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38   wrote something else and then sold the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:40   whole thing to us that's what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:43   Scott thank you for asking will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:45   regret it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:46   no i agree with you that I'm under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   surprised how much we all like book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:50   was i was thinking that I might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:52   odd one out or one of the other ones out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:53   and that the parts of it like as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:56   but I was great read and I'm glad we for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   once we were all like his style and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01   inventiveness and his intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:03   it's gets let him get away with a lot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05   think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:06   yes this is truly respected respect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:10   fact that respects as a reader that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12   thinks we're actually going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:12   interesting stuff he has to tell us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14   not up to walk us you know take us by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   the nose through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:17   yeah yeah and so and so that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   i'll buy you know I need nail Stephenson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:22   anything because you know he's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   writer with lots of good ideas and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:25   smarts and and writes about things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:29   I'm interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:30   and even though he's got his faults be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:32   it's worth taking a chance when he when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:35   he does something new and so yes even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   though it's it's it's flawed and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:38   not what i would recommend to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40   who wants to read first Neal Stephenson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:42   i would probably recommend snow crash or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   the diamond age or cryptonomicon or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:47   zodiac which is actually in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:50   more the mode book its most like this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   that there's a lot of action but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:56   what it is from the start though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:58   exactly and that's where it gets back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00   my complaints about this is that i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   it's almost I don't feel it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:03   bait-and-switch I feel it was him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:05   thinking he was going to write one story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:06   and then deciding to write another but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:09   in the end perhaps he should have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:10   back and done more work to to spackle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:13   that over i mean i think anything to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   certain extent as I was saying about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:18   know cryptonomicon I think it's true for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:20   a lot of his books that the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:21   reward and reading them is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23   reading of them not necessarily in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   you know where where it ends up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   think we know we agreed about that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:29   cryptonomicon I think that's true with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   the baroque cycle as well which is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   say not that book doesn't have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:35   i think that that series has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:37   serviceable ending but the the interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40   in that series comes from all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:41   that you encounter along the way right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:43   that are just his fantastic his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:45   digressions as you were saying and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   interested in detail he gets in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49   these things and thus makes them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:50   fascinating to us the readers things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   that you wouldn't think for fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54   you know the economic development of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   know Europe right right in the 16th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:00   century it's like wow that had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:02   sounds boring as hell what I feel as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:05   we've come to the end of our book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   did everybody enjoy the tea and the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09   a little lemon cookies missing just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:12   lucky next time I'll make scones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:16   skype scones enjoyed the complaint was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:19   delicious kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:20   yes everybody take your complimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:23   ammunition as you leave I'll take two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:26   Clips before our NATO rounds you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:28   shouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:29   it's through and and somebody here gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:33   a claim or no on the claim under your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:36   seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:38   the door is gone now because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:41   claymore was under it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:42   oh well I let's say thank you Jason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   inspiring me to Rita this very long book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:46   which I would have done this soon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:48   would not enjoy this much otherwise so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:50   a while why you're very welcome i'm i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   happy to inspire you to read long books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   it it's very sad what I'm the only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   who has to read these thousand page long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59   book so I like I like a bit of that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:02   do it too yes but my kingdom for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:05   300-page book for pete's sake these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:07   thousand-page books are going to kill me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09   so until next time on the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:12   book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:13   I'm Jason still and i would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15   thank my guests here around our little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   table they're finishing your tea and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:20   scones right now serenity called well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   thank you thank you Jason Scott McNulty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:26   thank you again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:27   o earth tones forever earth tones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:30   forever nice glad and Fleischmann thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32   you for being here and reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:33   thousand-page book with me thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:35   very much and Dan Morgan thanks as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:39   always as always you're welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:41   you're so lucky to have been invited let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:44   me tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:46   until next time on the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:48   thanks to all of you for listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:51   buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4491">TS</a>]

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01:15:12   that snaps out of it doesn't be ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4512">TS</a>]

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01:15:17   your silliness now get-get yes ma'am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   that now and alright alright alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:22   boys for tonight on that that's the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:28   this podcast / goodnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaZjgX8/4528">TS</a>]