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00:00:16   my name is Greg NOS your host Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/16">TS</a>]

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00:08:48   mists of time and rightfully so and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51   eventually from there I heard about Zork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/531">TS</a>]

00:08:55   in we had this massive volume of game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/535">TS</a>]

00:08:59   reviews which really I mean it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   only place you found game reviews back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   in the day it was either in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/543">TS</a>]

00:09:04   magazine like soft talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   or I you know some sort of hobbyist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   magazine or in this gigantic book of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/548">TS</a>]

00:09:12   reviews that you buy we didn't have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/552">TS</a>]

00:09:15   highfalutin internet to go looking up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   reviews on so hi Rayna crosses or can it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   sounded fascinating and one day my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   friend Mike had a copy and I borrowed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   and spent spent months with that game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/564">TS</a>]

00:09:30   kept finding excuses not to return it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   until I solve the thing and it went on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36   from there the rest is history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   you know if you use a hole punch to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   a write-protect notch to the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   of the floppy you can store on both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/583">TS</a>]

00:09:44   sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45   yeah that was pretty cool storage was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/585">TS</a>]

00:09:48   not it was not really an issue in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   early gaming in fact that mystery house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/590">TS</a>]

00:09:55   came in a ziploc bag with one blue sheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/595">TS</a>]

00:09:59   of paper as the instructions and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   mentioned something like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   sentence fragment towards the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/604">TS</a>]

00:10:05   that that sheet of paper that said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/605">TS</a>]

00:10:08   can save game as well and we know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11   the hell that was all we do is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   typed savegame that said something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   overriding previous games and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   freaking us all out and so we didn't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   never did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/619">TS</a>]

00:10:20   we thought we were going to write over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/620">TS</a>]

00:10:21   the entirety of the game and and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/621">TS</a>]

00:10:24   that would be it for Mystery House the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   CPM version of colossal cave i played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   had a savegame system where you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/628">TS</a>]

00:10:31   save game and it would quit the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   completely and then you were supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   save the core image of the computer i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/635">TS</a>]

00:10:41   still not sure what that meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44   well we we played through mystery house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47   without ever saving the game which was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   massive pain because you had to visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   every room before you could find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54   trapdoor in the Attic you actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   to head with bed and every single room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   in the game and there are several rooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   that were kind of off on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   branching paths where there was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   nothing there at the end of that path so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   after having played two or three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   we knew all you don't bother to go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   this hall on the second floor because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   there's nothing there but a poorly drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   bed and a window that looks more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   refrigerator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   and so it took us it must have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/677">TS</a>]

00:11:22   weeks before somebody just accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25   you know in desperation wandered all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   the room and then chose to look through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/688">TS</a>]

00:11:31   this telescope out in the forest and saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   suddenly there was a trapdoor in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   room so just the let's family finishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   dinner and gathers around the Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   and says I know let's play colossal cave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   or excuse me hi res adventure number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/702">TS</a>]

00:11:45   ok and they loaded up and they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   from the beginning every time it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   a massive game so it wasn't a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/710">TS</a>]

00:11:53   and as I said most of the family was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   pretty driven to finish the thing we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/716">TS</a>]

00:11:57   fairly competitive so everybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   trying to finish it first so it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   was just considered kind of a minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   nuisance at the time I mean we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   know any better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/725">TS</a>]

00:12:06   how we hadn't seen computer games before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07   was a wild frontier back that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/727">TS</a>]

00:12:10   do anything strange and wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   technology that makes you start from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   beginning every time as yes well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17   know i don't i don't remember what my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   first game I have a vague memory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   going over to a friend's house in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   junior high and he had an apple to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   an apple to plus an apple too and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   playing some scott adams adventures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   adventureland was the first but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/751">TS</a>]

00:12:34   couldn't tell you anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   the first game I really remember is orc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/756">TS</a>]

00:12:37   and the what we do is take a pirated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/757">TS</a>]

00:12:41   copy and punch a hole in the disk so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/761">TS</a>]

00:12:45   can flip it over and store the games on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/765">TS</a>]

00:12:46   the other side and so you had one nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   little five and a quarter inch package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   of the game on one side and all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/771">TS</a>]

00:12:54   saves on the other I I completely fell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   in love the first time I strides or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   was just amazing and I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   surprised that that it's not what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/781">TS</a>]

00:13:06   guys started with I mean it was such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/786">TS</a>]

00:13:07   phenomenon as far as they went in 1980 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/787">TS</a>]

00:13:12   it was exciting to get sore because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   started before short came out so i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/794">TS</a>]

00:13:18   to suffer through colossal k which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   fairly interestingly written but mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   just a bunch of descriptions of caves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   and random treasures and then the scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/804">TS</a>]

00:13:28   adams adventures which are just whore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   really written so with when Zork hit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/810">TS</a>]

00:13:34   it was something that had a sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   humor about itself it was tremendously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/816">TS</a>]

00:13:39   exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/819">TS</a>]

00:13:40   plus you could take more letters that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/820">TS</a>]

00:13:41   would recognize words i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   adventureland only recognize the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   three letters York 126 yeah that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/825">TS</a>]

00:13:50   the the first game i bought the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   infocomm game i bought and my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   to this day is deadline it was their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   third game and it was the first one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   included Feelies you know the you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   buy the game and it came in a sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   inspection envelope and you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   slide a knife under it to break the seal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/843">TS</a>]

00:14:06   and inside were little pills that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08   been found near the murder scene and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/848">TS</a>]

00:14:09   the photographic evidence and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/849">TS</a>]

00:14:14   game there's a gazebo and I being 13 14 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/854">TS</a>]

00:14:18   years old I had never heard of a gazebo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/858">TS</a>]

00:14:22   this was a strange in new world for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24   and so I knew however that the game only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   our step 26 characters and so I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   it was a bug and it was a gaze box that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/870">TS</a>]

00:14:34   had just left the X off and if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/874">TS</a>]

00:14:39   just briefly ask you what did you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   a gaze box was it was something in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/881">TS</a>]

00:14:45   garden that you could walk into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/885">TS</a>]

00:14:46   apparently look out of it was a boxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/886">TS</a>]

00:14:50   structure like shake you could gaze it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51   was out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/891">TS</a>]

00:14:52   there you go that makes perfect sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   for today's box i learned lots of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/894">TS</a>]

00:14:58   from from my early infocomm like many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   here or plover from classical cave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/900">TS</a>]

00:15:04   there's a that's not actually a word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   though is it's a bird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/906">TS</a>]

00:15:07   what is Steve still learning words today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   I think it's an emerald the size of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   plover zeg which sounds all well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/912">TS</a>]

00:15:15   good but I don't know how big the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/915">TS</a>]

00:15:16   plovers egg is a pole over zeg wow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/916">TS</a>]

00:15:21   remember looking up men here just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/921">TS</a>]

00:15:22   figure out what it was when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   standing stones in the description so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   you knew what those were you did no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/927">TS</a>]

00:15:30   didn't slide look it up to have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   experience with gays bows and standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   stones standing still adjust the to tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   to go together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/936">TS</a>]

00:15:37   my my gaze boxes full of men here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/937">TS</a>]

00:15:41   and the I just I I mean for me playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/941">TS</a>]

00:15:47   adventure games and sounds like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/947">TS</a>]

00:15:48   Monty at least 20 and fractionated for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   Steve as well was a really social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   experience I mean we would sit around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   and play like the atari VCS with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57   everybody in the neighborhood sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/957">TS</a>]

00:15:58   around but they were only one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   really hardcore adventure gamers in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   neighborhood and we would sit around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/962">TS</a>]

00:16:03   try and solve puzzles together taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   turns driving i remember planetfall one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/965">TS</a>]

00:16:08   of the later rape where I think infocomm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/968">TS</a>]

00:16:11   hit its peak really in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   planetfall i played and my house on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/973">TS</a>]

00:16:18   phone with a friend who lived two blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   away he was playing it at his house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/980">TS</a>]

00:16:23   we were just talking to each other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   whole time for three solid days saying i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28   found a circuit board i figured out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/988">TS</a>]

00:16:31   to get that robot to shut up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   oh my god have you done this and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   killed Floyd yes that was very very sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/994">TS</a>]

00:16:37   faster that that's actually the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/997">TS</a>]

00:16:41   that moment in in planetfall is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:45   people site that is like the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   a computer game made them cry i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:50   going to run up to it but I remember it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52   being an emotional moment that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:56   like spelunker is weakly would have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   me cry a little bit i was definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   emotionally affected by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   by that point in the game I had spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   lot of time with the innocent childlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   robot Floyd and when he sacrificed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   himself to save me and then for no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:13   reason saying a song that took up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   entire screen the ballad of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:19   star-crossed lovers yes which for no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:22   reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:22   recap the plot of the previous info card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:26   games star cross was a great moment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:30   think that was one of the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31   earliest if not the first moment that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   remember the whole debate about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:35   computer games can be art came up and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   still rages to this day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:39   Roger Ebert is wrong is so add money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:43   what what's your favorite game just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   going back in history the games i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:48   thought were the best were either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:49   Trinity or lurking horror trinity is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:54   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:54   weird almost plotless combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:58   Alice in Wonderland and the development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:01   of nuclear technology where you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:04   having to go to different places in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:07   where nuclear bombs happened and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:11   sure that they do there's also an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   overlay of Mary Poppins and Peter Pan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   going on to it's very odd but very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:20   evocative and the other one is lurking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   horror which is the one that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   loved crafty and set at what's in homage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   to love em Brian Moriarty wrote Trinity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   right and he went on to do a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   lucasfilm stuff like the dig in bloom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:35   I don't think he was involved in the dig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   but he definitely did loam I i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:40   when it came out a lot of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   talking about it like it was a turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:43   point that in mind forever voyaging were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45   like like planetfall was you know in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   emotional moment in interactive fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   mfv and trinity were literary moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:55   where it wasn't just a a game anymore it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:58   was it was a story I wasn't crazy about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:02   a mind forever voyaging as a game there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:05   was way too much of just walking through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   the plot there really is only one puzzle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11   to speak of it yeah there's one puzzle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:13   yeah like you had a whole lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   you are required to do but mostly your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   job well it was a novel rather than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:21   game resisted a novel you interacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:24   what text adventures became is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:25   interactive fiction they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   experimenting with with things other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:30   than just adventure games while they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33   were experimenting fairly early like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36   suspended is a crazy idea for a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:39   where you have to control six different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   robots each of which interact with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   world in a different way so the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   to operate things you have to fix irises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49   site because iris is the only one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50   can see things and then once iris works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   you can look around and use the feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:55   robot to feel what's broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   that was written by michael Berlin who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   is a set established science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   author yeah that was their first attempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   at really getting ambitious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:07   it was also i think the first game to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:10   feature an impossible mode right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   that which was genuinely impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   yeah you started and the world would end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   in six turns or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   hooray just like real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:22   what I liked about that game was when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   were trying to solve it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:25   my friend Mike and I figured out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:28   you could use any robots description is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   everything in the game each robot would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:32   describe differently so iris would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   the blue thing whereas out o would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:37   the thing that goes being without it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:40   the listening robot but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:43   figured out that if you used wiz at who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:46   was the cursor librarian robot you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   just call everything the LH one or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51   PX 2 and that would save your typing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:54   lot but great thing infocomm ever did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   with shorten inventory to I helices l [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   and again was G which we have huge just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:03   before this podcast i was playing a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   early version of Zork to that did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:08   have g4 again and i asked i'm steve what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:12   was your what's your favorite game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   well it's a toss up for me I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   I'm quite as as experience with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:19   infocomm cannons youtube because I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   quite got around to doing Trinity I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:22   think I move your ultimate by that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   good play it now no I was I had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:27   branched off onto a different path of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:28   loser hood at that point I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   more into the ultimate wasteland other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   RPGs by that point but of the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:37   i have played it's a toss up for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   between chanter which I just really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:43   the dynamic of collecting spells I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:46   they the OCD part of me which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:47   ninety percent of me really enjoyed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   the whole experience of walking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:52   collecting spells and it was nice to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:55   in a fantasy environment where there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:58   less randomness than Zork and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:02   difficulty level wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   over-the-top and unfair i think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:07   probably the first infocomm game that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:10   played through without having to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:13   any hint anywhere it resort kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   suffers from the early adventure game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   problem of we're just making puzzles up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:20   as we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:20   rain another puzzle we need another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   puzzle we need another puzzle and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   of it feels like they just came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   puzzles and slam together and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   totally haphazard way I mean there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   really a lot of coherence in the fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:31   world there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:32   really the baseball diamond puzzle has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   no context in a fantasy settings i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:37   played Zork probably 50 times by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:41   point and i can play the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:42   without drawing a map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:45   I still don't understand the baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   puzzle at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   well there's there's a bat and it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   babe flathead right I you're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   swing the bat goes to find the bat swing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57   it and then run in a diamond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   yes I don't know what direction diamond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   is supposed to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:03   I think you're only available directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   are northeast northwest southeast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   southwest right and you can't go north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   south and everything says dymond I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   it's like a diamond shape Iran angular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   room with a diamond-shaped window even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   even assuming you have the baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   context that's required to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20   the puzzle explain why it's in a fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:23   setting again like it that I cannot do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:26   well you see the flatheads were famously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   eccentric and extremely rich so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:31   would do crazy things like hollow out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   volcano just store there one crowd and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   build a flood control damn yes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   clearly babe flathead wanted to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:42   underground baseball diamond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:43   it was the Big Blue Ox flathead right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   yes while Duncan Thrax was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:48   pioneering double fanucci babe flathead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:52   was working out the rules for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:53   rudimentary version of baseball that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:56   that's one of the reasons i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:57   deadline so much it was outside of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   cannon that was dragged from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   MIT when they were just throwing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:05   game together it was start to finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:08   written as a coherent experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:11   yeah that's that's that's exactly why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   liked enchanter because it flowed all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:17   the rooms made sense they you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   understand why they were where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   as a result and ended up kind of I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   a little bit more of a linear experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   but really enjoyed it for that for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:30   all those reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:31   and then second which may or may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:35   first I think I kind of go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   forth what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:40   yes exactly would be leather goddesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:44   of Phobos oh you pervy little bastard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:47   which had all of the humor of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   hitchhikers + tax 7-bit ascii sex+ far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:56   less difficulty and more reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   puzzles and except for that stupid maze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01   where you had to hop every set seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   steps and every three steps or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:06   it was and I don't for some reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08   don't recall that maybe black that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   of my memory we we wrote that out yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   you had to eventually you know just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   writing out the commands just so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15   would make sure to hop and do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:19   that was necessary every proper term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   number okay yeah it's coming back to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:24   yeah that kind of sucked so what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:27   like about it other than the the naughty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   bits it was funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   I mean it's all the all the info con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   games were funny on some level but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   always enjoyed moretz keys work and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:39   know I i suspect that he's largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   responsible for why Hitchhiker's Guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   was so entertaining as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:45   well on the douglas adams podcast there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   we talked about how legendarily bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:52   adams was with deadlines ran they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:56   eventually just kind of chuck the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:59   tumors etsy and and he finished it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:02   which is also why bureaucracy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   credited to the staff of infocomm and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   tiny little 8.5 douglas adams i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:11   actually did the infocomm implosion you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:15   know they were found it is as they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:18   going to write new software they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:19   just going to pour torque and continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   to do adventure games but it turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   to be so profitable that they just kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:24   going gangbusters and then when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   actually did come out with a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   product which was their database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:28   cornerstone in 1985 it fell flat on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:31   face one of the advantages they had when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:35   with their adventure games was they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   wrote a bytecode interpreter which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   nerd talk for something that could take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   a very very compressed script and squash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44   it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:45   onto a single in the case of my Atari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   490 k floppy drive and still included a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:51   reasonable amount of texts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   um and then they could just pour the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   bytecode interpreter to each of the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   architectures whether it's Apple to or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58   commodore 64 Monty's families CPM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:02   machine by that point we had gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   better computers at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   ok and and so they could release all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   these games or all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   platforms at the same time because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:12   same script run and ran on each of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   bike open code interpreters for each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:17   the machines but they tried the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:18   thing with Cornerstone where the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:22   product was written by code interpreted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   which meant it was very very very slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   and around 95 you know it just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:32   function of computer games is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:33   different than the function of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   software and slowness doesn't help and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   they never ported it to anything other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   than the pc well there was no point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   everybody was using pc for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:42   enterprise at that point so you just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   the word enterprise it not in a Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   Trek context yes i know i'm sorry their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:50   whole their whole reason for in doing an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   interpretive database was pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   out the window at that point the driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:55   stock so and they're stuck with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   overhead and they're charging five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59   hundred dollars for something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:00   didn't include a natural language parser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   which is what they were known for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   the company just kind of crumbled at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:07   that point and it's their greatest work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   was behind them at that point i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:12   know i think that they were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13   putting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   trinity I think Trinity was a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:16   late one and lurking horror was in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:19   Trinity was 86 but they were all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   were doing James Clavell shogun you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   they were they were grasping at straws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:26   dated plundered hearts which nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   against plundered hearts but it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31   were looking for new markets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   cornerstones released in 85 and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:38   meant that Trinity leather goddesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:39   bureaucracy station fall which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   admittedly not as good as planetfall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:43   lurking horror you know the two somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:48   lesser zor countries that those were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:51   post post cornerstone so they were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   putting together some decent games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:54   towards the animated shogun and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57   a you know their their feeble attempt at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   RPGs which was I think what quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   staff but they also they did they'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:06   border zone which was a fine game but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:09   was it wasn't a coherent story it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   just a bunch of little vignettes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   one they were trying to add graphics but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:16   they weren't doing it well and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:17   ski graphics talent tell me that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:21   Nordenberg couldn't make heads or tails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   of it is not a weird game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:27   no I will not tell you that I still kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   of enjoy playing that although there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   a couple specific parts of that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   make me very angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:35   the spoonerism section still runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37   through my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:38   some of those art spoonerisms keep tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:43   us how angry it makes you if they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:48   do it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:49   did anybody in the world play Sherlock I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   played Sherlock know what Monty and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:55   nobody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:56   Sherlock is very unsatisfying what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   Arthur never played Arthur you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:02   even get started in Sherlock unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   know that dr. Watson keeps his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   stethoscope in his hat it is had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:12   euphemism it could be I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   everything is written in this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   British is to use the term bowler that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18   could be anything really i just did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:22   know it seems like they were grasping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   for new markets like see starker was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   young person's game and that was earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:29   admittedly but just they didn't maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:33   was growing up in and discovering at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   least my interest in girls if not actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   girls and they didn't grab me the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   like deadline or starcross you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   suspended did well I feel like in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:45   later era while they were also doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   rich interesting games like Trinity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   learning or they're also trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   games that had multiple story options in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   them the movement plundered hearts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   cutthroats and I think Sherlock all had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   three different possible plots you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   follow which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   looks they were always chasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   replayability yeah I which they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:09   had in their early games you know once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:10   you were done with his work you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:11   pretty much done in fact i played it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   just out of sheer a nostalgia couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   days ago and it took me two days and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   still remember exactly where everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:20   was it's been two decades since i last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   touch the thing but then again i played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25   it again didn't I so replayability is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   that's why I have all the infocomm games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   on my iPad so i can play that whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   want and feel really really smart this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:34   just out of curiosity what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   could be used in that space of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:37   brain that's taken up with infocomm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   walkthroughs I don't know it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   abba lyrics or something if it wasn't in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   focus on something I'm going to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:45   myself west of white house and I'll know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   if it's going to go in North up get egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   down south east open window West West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   open case and so on but the damn thief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:55   the randomness that was my most hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:58   thing about the early infocomm is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   random elements always drove me nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03   that you couldn't consistently kill the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   troll or that the thief would pop up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:08   swipe something and make your game on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:09   when we are you can save the game right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   before you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:12   what does explain this savegame thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   was the first of all you're better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   killing things when you have more points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   so you should get us i only just learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:19   that a couple of days ago pick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:22   second you can get everything back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   the thief after you kill him and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   used the nasty knife against the thief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   because that's better but the sword is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   better against the troll yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:33   do not use the rusty knife against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   anything because it is cursed and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:36   kill you right you can throw it can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   can but it will the rusty knife will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   turn around in midair and stab you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:42   the throat oh yeah there is that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   the proudest moments of my young life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:46   was figuring out that the dexterous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   thief is going to be able to open the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:49   egg where I fumble-fingered me cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   you see you have to open the egg because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   there's a beautiful clockwork canary in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   it and then you have to use the canary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   outside in the trees to get the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:01   place feuding somebody picked him down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04   equipment and this is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:07   information anyway infocomm blew up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:11   it was acquired by activision they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   spotted along for another couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   years and then just started releasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18   and I think that the reason info comms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   hold up especially the early ones is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22   because they're not game so much as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   are novels they are experiences and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   have an experience and you can put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   the shelf and you can bring it down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   have the experience again that's why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   don't think the multiple storylines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   worked you don't replay Zork they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:37   replayed like minor 2014 einer to throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:42   in another mid-eighties videogame her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   parents their anthologies the multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   storyline ones isn't in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:50   neighborhoods is an anthology of three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   fairly boring Pirates have read worse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:58   is there the airplane novels of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:01   interactive fiction world I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04   was one of the best stated goals of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06   infocomm early on in there there early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:09   days was that they wanted their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:12   games to eventually be up on the shelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   in a bookstore you next great literature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:17   so i think a lofty goal that perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20   overstated the the reach of the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:22   game industry in this those days well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24   they they continue I mean they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:25   they're games continued to sell long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28   after they were released which was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:29   rarity for the industry usually game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   comes out those up big not big like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   today but big for the time and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   would fade as people played it and got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   used to it and moved on but if you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   to zork you can plays work the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   today that you played it 20 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:45   that I think two is part of the rapid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:48   destruction that Activision made on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:51   financial com after they acquired them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   was they take we're treated them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   regular video games with the other would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   keep their their seven-year-old games on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   the shelves because people were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   snapping them up i mean Zork popped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   on the soft talk you know top sellers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:06   list for half a decade and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:09   activation came along and they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11   treated infocomm games like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   standard computer games where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   that the next big thing would come along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16   with graphics that looked like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   that the pictures look like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   instead of misshapen the two-dimensional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:24   frogs of some kind and so they replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   the old with the new on the shelf and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:28   and they try to do that with infocomm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:31   I think actually demanded after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   acquired them that they produce eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:34   games a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   yeah instead of the four they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:36   producing right which is which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39   meanwhile the quality went down big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   surprise yeah shocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   that's a Zork is the Dark Side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:44   Moon of interactive fiction of course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:47   Activision hadn't done that I strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   suspect it would have happened shortly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:52   afterwards anyway just because the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   compusa is of the world plus the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:57   computer game industry is changing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   mean people wanted graphics you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   infocomm had a famous ad where they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   we stick our graphics where the Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04   don't shine and it was a picture of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   brain and you can get away with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:09   with the fanboys like say three people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   recording a podcast and yes 2012 but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:16   the most part people wanted their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17   computers to do pretty colored things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   that moved around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   well even as infocomm they become part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:25   of activism still they did move into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   graphics beyond orchid graphics and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   they weren't very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   well they were still trying to to to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34   interpreted games so they had a limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   amount of simplistic graphics that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   could reasonably render on multiple zip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:43   boxes machines which is what which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   what they called their interpreter still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   in cases if still 0-0 was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   implementation language it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   implementation program alright you win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   these you just got told which was which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:58   was later shortened to Z machine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   actually probably worth noting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02   stock scott adams who actually was first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:05   to market with the adventure game room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   and if you go to his website he proudly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   announces himself as the progenitor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   the entire computer games industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:12   pointing out it is it not the dilbert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   scott adams this is a different scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   adams no no this is the scott adams of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   the scott adams adventure games he put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   himself in the ads right get a big fro I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   think he was in the ads along with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:27   very seventies looking people dressed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   in period costume anyway but what i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   getting too was that he actually wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   an interpreter as well for his games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   previous to the resort arrival on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:41   scene i'm clearly getting out nerd here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   so I'm going to throw down my trump card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   just that I've written adventure games i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:46   wrote my own parser and my own lexer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:50   nothing ever happened with them but damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:54   that was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:55   nerd and I think fifth grade or so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2275">TS</a>]

00:38:01   in a elementary school that had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:02   computer lab full of Apple tues and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05   were told we had to write a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   fancy computer program and i found this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10   whole thing boring and a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:11   insulting because I at eros ad at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   so naturally i hated apples so I wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:16   fake adventure game that looked like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:20   adventure game as long as you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:21   exactly the right move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   each time if at any point you typed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:26   anything other than the required input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29   it would just say I'm sorry I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   understand that you realize that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   liked anticipated demos at the Consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:36   Electronics Show by a couple of decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   yep so when it came time to display it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   to the teacher I said go ahead and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   it and she typed something I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   didn't anticipate that word here let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   show you how it works and then it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:50   I started out writing what amounted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:51   choose your own adventures where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   were presented with a situation you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   could like you know one through four 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   pick different options but then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   eventually did a little research and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   a lot of trial and error and started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   parsing reasonably complex English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   sentences and having reasonable puzzles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:09   I you know had an inventory system and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   container system and this was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   without benefit of any sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   how the people who knew what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   doing actually did it but I i wrote four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:21   or five games that my friends played and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   solved and complained about the landless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:26   Lee I did write a book on solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   infocomm games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   damn i'm not going to win this nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   battle and my my friend and I were at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:36   the computer store shopping for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   infocomm game which I think was infidel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   at the time and the smarmy guy who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   know how don't put the ring on got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:47   needle in it well what's the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   you're gonna die at the end of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   anyway very unsatisfied speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:53   yeah what's your what's your view on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:54   that that was allows the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:57   really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:58   yeah it didn't make it clear the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   was over i thought i had screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   yeah okay i'll give you that I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:06   think if they explained you have one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   your dad I would have understood what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:10   was going on right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:11   yes now I think I realized it was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   are also i probably would have had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   similar complaint but I i thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:17   great ending but I completely understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:20   where people work were ticked off about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:21   it anyway this army guy that was helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   us hurt us bragging about how we had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   planet followed three days and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28   that he was looking for people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   good at infocomm games because he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   just written a book called a shortcut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:34   through Adventure land which was how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:36   solve a bunch of the Sierra online games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   so what ended up happening was my friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:42   and i wrote the entire book got sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   percent of the royalties it was just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   to solve the first ten infocomm games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   and the publisher went bankrupt the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   the book itself so I never did anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   but I was like 14 or 15 that was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:57   pretty neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:58   I backpack i wrote walkthroughs you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   step-by-step walkthrough for my friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   this is before you could actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03   anything like put them online but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   were you know there was a brief shining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   moment of my childhood where it was cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   to be able to solve info comes until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   other people how to do it and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   put me in a trashcan and rolling down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   hill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   I ok ok I i will see you your book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:25   authorship and I I beta-tested info [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   comes I beta-tested leather goddesses of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   Phobos and lurking horror and money's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   gonna bust at his bureaucracy story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   Hollywood hijinks and food litsky now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:39   what was flicks key cuz i've never been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   sure the Blitz key was a board game that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:44   half of it took place inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   computer the computer had the role of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   you know like they have modern versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   of monopoly where the bank is controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   by a little the government astok device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:56   that comes with it and every player has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   a credit card rather than cash publicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   was similar where it would roll the dice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   and it would set your goals public ski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   can generously be chalked up as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:07   interesting experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:08   ok it was not infocomm me remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:11   seeing lots of at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:12   for it but i never understood any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:13   them there were dogs involved i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16   say that Greg your beta testing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   infocomm games is pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   it's gonna be hard to top that i'm super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   jealous it I I felt pretty damn special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   and I mean it was it was just like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   is as good as it gets which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   unfortunately turned out to be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   oh it turned from a happy ending to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   setting so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   50 well here's my bureaucracy story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:42   yes in 1987 1988 infocomm was doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:48   marathon of the minds as a way to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   publicity for their new games what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   do is they take their game that was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   about to come out and go to a city in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   the United States and then all the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   schools in that city would send three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   student teams to a location and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:04   they play the game until one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   teams won the teams were composed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:09   people pulled out of trash cans at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   bottom of the hill largely yes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:15   bureaucracy which was the second douglas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:18   adams game although had previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   mentioned douglas adams may not have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21   that much to do with actually doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:25   anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:25   his name is on the box that's an extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28   for bureaucracy the city of San Diego [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   and I got to be one of the kids on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:33   team which was actually highly contested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:36   because i was going to a math science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:37   computer magnet school at the time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:42   there was just a hill with thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   trash can lie on the bed and there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   exhausted bully who has to keep putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   the kids in the trash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   well it's a weird school because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:51   in a bad bad part of town and there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:54   Crips and bloods who are the local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   students and then a bunch of us pasty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   white math science computer kids being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   bused in well it's probably good that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   your pasty so you can be mistaken as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   Crip or a blood any rate we were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:09   shipped out to these Reuben h fleet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   space theatre and science center in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   balboa park and each school has its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:18   little computer station in the science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   center and we played for 37 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:24   while being supplied with endless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:27   amounts of coke and pizza getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:30   bleary-eyed and insane by the end of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:34   when you say played for 37 hours was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   there any break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:40   no I mean you could take a break if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:41   wanted but that meant the other teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   would get ahead of you did you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:47   bathroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:47   we have to just stand up to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:52   yeah like there are three people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:54   team you don't need all three people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56   the computer the whole time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:57   no guys I got this great plan catheters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   but as it happens my team won so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:05   first of all state that I was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   person outside infocomm one of the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:10   first three people outside infocomm to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:11   win bureaucracy and also actually got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   name printed in The New York Times later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   the status line which was their official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   newsletter they got sued by the new york [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   times you have to change that and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   a cool t-shirt which I still have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:27   of course you do it and we won something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:31   like copies of all the games for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   school my favorite moment though was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37   they had copies of other games that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   about to come out one of which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:40   Hollywood hijinks and one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   teammates snuck over and started looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   through the materials because he had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   pirated copy of Hollywood hijinks and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   needed to read the documentation to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   past the infocomm copy protection which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:55   took the form of the secret hints inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   the documentation itself the feelies yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:00   physical items which I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   pretty clever because they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:03   bothered putting any actual copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:04   protection on their games which made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   them almost unique at the time but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   was it was copy protection that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   really really intrusive it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   integrated into the game and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   terrific you know it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   something that wasn't easily reproduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   like wasn't digitally reproducible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   you actually had to pay attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   everything that came in the packet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   yeah and then so when you had sorcerer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:30   for example you actually had this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:33   they called an info tater which had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:36   two rotating dials that you had to line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   up to tell you what color a group was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:42   the problem i find though is that later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45   on when they came out with the lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:46   treasures of infocomm cd-rom packages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:49   they didn't include all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   documentation for some of the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:53   became accidentally impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   well they built like they built the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   visit clues were you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:58   aftermarket in books that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:02   came with invisible ink and a pen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   you could drag across it to reveal the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:05   answer guaranteed answers in increasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:09   specificity and then they integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   those into the games later on when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   type hint and it would give you the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:14   it just it it never seemed is cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:18   what's that supposed to seem cool you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:19   looking at hints you should hang your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:24   head in shame and that's how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   supposed it's not supposed to feel good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   one good thing about the lost treasures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:31   of info concept was they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   included all of the maps and all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   visit clues in book form which was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:38   because the Invisibles were usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   written with at least as much attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:41   to humor as as the games themselves word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   so they were often as funny to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:46   through it as playing the games were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:49   they always have questions that applied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:52   that didn't have anything to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:53   game just so they could have a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   nonsense answers and then answer saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   there isn't this room in this game stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   just looking at answers and go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   playing if they did they didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   didn't want the questions which were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   printed in regular ink just to give away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   anything about the game so that include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10   the fake questions you know I worked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   a software store years and years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   years ago and people would try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   return the Invisibles after having used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:19   she's no use to me now how a no no ma'am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:24   I'm sorry that that you you can't no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   yes you can see the manager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   I'll be right back so you guys play text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34   adventures anymore have you had any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   other than the original you can go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   and play the old ones but they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:39   being produced and there's a a small but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:42   very vibrant community that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   still making games if you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:46   played any of these anytime recently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49   have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:49   and I'm surprised if you watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:53   documentary get lamp which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   documentary about text adventures the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   DVD comes with about fifty i think text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2937">TS</a>]

00:49:00   adventures on the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   there's an ipad app fronts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:06   yeah frost comes with a couple hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   yeah i'm looking at it now I played two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:11   or three modern games i played vespers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:15   which is this game where you're a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   trapped in a monastery at the top of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   mountain while everybody dies of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   playground you so any kind of a downer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   okay well you're on top of a mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:29   that's really kind of the only way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   can go and there's a game called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:35   fotopedia phot OPI a which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:40   technically a text adventure in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43   you're entering commands and it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:46   text adventure interface but really it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:49   about a short story about somebody dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:50   in a car crash and are you the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:54   person you're everybody it's super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   postmodern and I get the feeling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   people have gotten tired of texting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   ventures as games and are really trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   to branch out do text adventures as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04   literature or text adventures as our or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:07   drag actually the game I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   mention his lost pig which one the IAF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:12   oh yeah two or three years ago it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:15   a bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:15   I hadn't played games in eons mean in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:20   you know since the Paleozoic and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:24   great fun because it's so highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   polished that it was a reintroduction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:30   the genre but I haven't sat like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   my kids down a couple years ago and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   to get them interested in his work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   they got it but they just didn't follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40   up there right now they're currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:41   obsessed with minecraft um but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:45   wandered around House little bit they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   got inside and then they just drift away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   from it which was disappointing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   want to try again with lost pig just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   because it's so funny and it's so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56   done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57   here's one of the room descriptions from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:58   lost pig fountain room all wall in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:02   room glow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:03   it bright just like daytime except that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   instead of sun it wall that glow and set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   of grass and tree and square room with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   four wall and instead of outside it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   underground but beside those things it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   just like it will keep going out to east [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:17   west but normal doorway go north and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   southeast and southwest in middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   room there fountain but found to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   have any water south wall have big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   curtain hanging on it big here to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   look over then pick look away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   you're basically paying a caveman trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   to get his pig back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:33   the pig is great in that game too it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   so well-written becomes even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:39   has obviously no no dialogue to speak of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42   it's it's a descriptive text about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:45   pigs is so well done that it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:48   one of the most memorable characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49   interactive fiction that i can remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   but that's what struck me was that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   pros of the game is written from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   perspective which you know usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   there's descriptions of things going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   but I've never seen the descriptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   written as a the character would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05   perceive them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:06   yeah a lot of info cod games are written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:09   from a sarcastic third person pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   right you right you you are here witness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15   had some Raymond Chandler qualities to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:20   the writing but not a lot and lurking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   horror was supposed to be HP Lovecraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   but yeah they were written as they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:28   were written by an author rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29   writing as the perspective of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32   character and when the character has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:35   limited mental capacity in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   vocabulary you end up with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:40   like lost pig and I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:41   really fun and really different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   something even 30 years into the sauna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   that I had never seen before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   yeah so I've i actually did play lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   pig because when i downloaded frost it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   was recommended as has a fairly easy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:54   good first place to start for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:56   interacting interactive fiction but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   haven't really explored much on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:02   modern stuff because you know you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:06   well both of you and I the plural you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   use know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:15   that nerds generally are not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   writers and they tend to write pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:21   schlocky pretty a derivative stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:25   so I I'm a little afraid to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   chance on some random guy that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:30   they posted to the IAF archive and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:33   still have enough up the old infocomm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   games that i haven't played that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   still go back if I feel need and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:41   give one of those old games a shot now i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   have actually considered maybe playing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   i guess a couple of there were a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   of games that were written a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:49   back by Yahtzee and crawshaw does the 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:53   punctuation reviews on their hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:56   so i imagine those are those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   probably pretty good although it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   to say that I assume he doesn't use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   same kind of a rapid fire style and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:06   adventure are no spaces in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:07   description i can't read any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   that would get fairly tedious I i find i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   don't have the attention span anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   plus have you seen Skyrim man that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:17   thing's beautiful i love text adventures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   but it's really really hard to not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:22   stare it a beautifully rendered portal 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:26   or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:27   yeah yeah that's I i find that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:30   mommy said about skyrim kind of applies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32   to me too is that I i have such limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:33   time these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   22 game that i can go back and play an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:39   old text adventure and spend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   inordinate amount of time it takes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:43   really figure all the puzzles out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46   or i could spend 20 minutes walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   around oblivion you know slaying goblins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   and having sadly a more rich experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:55   really playing that and then I i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   going back the old text games much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   love them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:00   most games these days don't require a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   pad of graph paper by your side at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   times and how much how much of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:07   affection for these games is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   nostalgia for me i'd say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   60-percent the really good ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:15   61-62 point hey I mean yes they hit me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:20   at exactly the right age but the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   ones are still really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   mhm like if you see if somebody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   willing to spend the time to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   through planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:28   fall Floyd's death is still a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:32   good moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   damn it and I'll fight the man who says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:37   otherwise i love these games i mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   affected my childhood they they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:43   signposts for sadly what I've become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:48   but I don't know that I would play them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:52   these days I don't know that my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:53   have an interest in playing them and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   just wonder if they were such a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   of their time and of the technology that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:59   something like that is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:02   happen again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:03   what if you've displayed them in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06   different context at one point somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   had set up an aimbot that would place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:11   York with you that was a friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   actually and ebay oh well I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   was a brilliant idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   did either of you guys ever play any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   the legend games after infocomm went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:23   kaput a couple of the guys from infocomm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   Steve maretskiy and Bob Bates who did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:30   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   sadly is only really known for having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   done Sherlock and Arthur but they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:37   together and formed their own company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   they're crowning achievement they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   together again called time quest which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   is effectively you're you're following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:47   along behind a guy who's it was not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:51   evil duties run across the time machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:53   and he's gone to various periods in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   history and screwed things up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:56   basically you're part of some kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   you know time police department that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3419">TS</a>]

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00:57:04   problems this guy is caused and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:06   really really well done it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   one of the best adventure games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   I've ever played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:11   it's well worth digging up and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   giving a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   never even heard of it they went to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   of a point and click format at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   and they did that came based on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   they did a couple of sample games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:22   laurent yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:25   and something based on Shannara sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:33   going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   yes and but maretskiy continue to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   games and he put together something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   think his last game for them was a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   hero League of hoboken which was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   funny and really well done to so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   worth trying to pick those up if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:47   find them is it Murray or merced ski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50   maretskiy yeah I've been pronouncing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3470">TS</a>]

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00:57:57   days boxes keeping it on that note I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:03   going to end the podcast this podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   over i would like to thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   participants today Steve let's thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   Greg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:11   it's been a spin experience and Monty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   Ashley thank you good hosting reg and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:17   score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:20   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:38   Roger Ebert is wrong w always look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:47   he's smiling these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:48   yeah he looks like he's really enthused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:51   about what happened to those pictures he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:55   looks like you saying hi like somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   just told him to say chin up Roger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   attended oh if only he could chin up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:06   we seem to be wondering where yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:10   look what's wrong with nostalgia i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   enjoyed something is a youth and now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   get to keep doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:15   half of the twilight zone episodes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   about how that's good for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:20   don't you mean 60-percent we're done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:25   here yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZXJg4g/3565">TS</a>]