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78: Clones and Telepaths vs. Love

 

00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 78 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/0">TS</a>]

00:00:08   februari 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/8">TS</a>]

00:00:11   we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/11">TS</a>]

00:00:13   I'm Jason smell your host and it's time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15   for another edition of our comic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   club and this love is in the air can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   feel like you smell it does love have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/19">TS</a>]

00:00:20   smell if it does I hope you can smell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   love is in the air it's a that time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/22">TS</a>]

00:00:25   year valentines day coming around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/25">TS</a>]

00:00:28   who better to talk about love and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   relationships and things about the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34   heart than the members of our comic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   club because nothing says love like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/36">TS</a>]

00:00:39   comic books onra so joining me here are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/39">TS</a>]

00:00:42   two very loving people to their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/42">TS</a>]

00:00:45   spouses and not to each other around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/45">TS</a>]

00:00:48   that came out wrong jason reitman hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/48">TS</a>]

00:00:52   Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/52">TS</a>]

00:00:52   hello thanks for being here thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   having me and Lisa Schmeisser hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/56">TS</a>]

00:00:58   attention comic book readers this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00   podcast contains spoilers for many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   different comic book series so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   afraid that we're going to ruin let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   say the plot of invincible or many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/67">TS</a>]

00:01:10   comics like I'm about to spoil the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/70">TS</a>]

00:01:13   people on the podcast so this is why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14   warning you now go to the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   calm and look at the show notes for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   episode and we will list everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   we're spoiling and if you are afraid you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   can just not listen but we think you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   like it if you do listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/87">TS</a>]

00:01:28   alright with that out of the way yes our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   topic today and the comic book club is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   abroad one instead of talking about one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   book or one series we're going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/94">TS</a>]

00:01:37   about comic book romance you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/97">TS</a>]

00:01:40   interesting it suffers from a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   same issues as comic book story telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   in general you have long running series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   you have long-running relationships you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   have relationships that come and go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   various combinations something we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/112">TS</a>]

00:01:56   just saying before we started recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57   is Jason you mentioned it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/117">TS</a>]

00:02:01   kinda hard to find a role model relation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   reasonable relationships real reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   realistic positive relationships and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/126">TS</a>]

00:02:09   comics relatable couples yeah right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/129">TS</a>]

00:02:13   it'sit's it is and if you go back a well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   we just want to jump right into it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   probably the poster child of of bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   relationships with a clear example how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/141">TS</a>]

00:02:25   this Superman injury also i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   considered that was like a clip like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   close number two but i will get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   daredevil with everybody order double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   with Elektra your double with everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   yeah I don't think it actually started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/155">TS</a>]

00:02:36   with Elektra he you know fell in love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/156">TS</a>]

00:02:39   with this woman turns out she was deadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/159">TS</a>]

00:02:42   assassin happens they thought they loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/162">TS</a>]

00:02:46   I mean that part's pretty close to real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/166">TS</a>]

00:02:47   relationships and died and she's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/167">TS</a>]

00:02:51   directed ya came back tied but that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54   know some often happens in the Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56   Universe it done oh yeah and it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   out uh Daredevils an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01   character when he's suffering so having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04   him fall in love and then killing his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05   woman repeatedly I made yeah good sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/185">TS</a>]

00:03:08   and good stories good drama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   sure so they then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/190">TS</a>]

00:03:11   again with Karen page which was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   next girlfriend and but with her she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/193">TS</a>]

00:03:16   became a drug addict / pornstar then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   maybe what you got the HIV I was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   them got HIV in there too wasn't enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23   for her merely to be constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/203">TS</a>]

00:03:24   imperiled by his roster of enemy she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   also got an incurable virus and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   remember which one right i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   it was Karen page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/211">TS</a>]

00:03:32   although she was a porn star of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/212">TS</a>]

00:03:33   for the drug money before she was killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/213">TS</a>]

00:03:36   and I was doing the born-again his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38   storyline which was also by Frank Miller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   and the other hand is not you go to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/220">TS</a>]

00:03:44   your functional comic-book romantic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   then from there there was a typhoid mary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/226">TS</a>]

00:03:47   who ended up being a bad guy and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   there was the last one they marry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   daredevil off to another blind woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   could do charitable blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   yeah Mia mhm can't remember her last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   name and her one of his enemies drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/239">TS</a>]

00:04:03   her insane and she had to go into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   insane asylum like completely catatonic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/245">TS</a>]

00:04:08   so the unlucky in love daredevil right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   all or all of these women are unlucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   just cannot marry or date him or he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   just bad news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/255">TS</a>]

00:04:16   yeah it's like Scott summer you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   ever date Scott Summers customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   Cyclops from the x-men ya series of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   wasn't lonely eight telepaths for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/262">TS</a>]

00:04:25   who resembled telepathy previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   learned a lot of the odd thing about GM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   soon as Jean Grey who was Phoenix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   then she died and that was very sad then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   there's apple and a red and they went i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/272">TS</a>]

00:04:33   wrote that down and they went like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   good ten issues before bringing back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   duplicate of jean grey mantle and dryer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   right which like guys can again this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   a recurring theme canna comic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   industry show any restraint and telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   a story in leaving things alone for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/285">TS</a>]

00:04:46   little while the answer is no you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   if they can wait a year if you're lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   they'll win right Jean Grey was left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   dead for a significant amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   right but the Madeleine prior thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   happened right almost instantaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   yeah comparatively speaking out and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/298">TS</a>]

00:05:01   got married had a baby and then gene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/301">TS</a>]

00:05:04   comes back from the dead and he totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/304">TS</a>]

00:05:05   dismantling it it like that and whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/305">TS</a>]

00:05:08   gone yet completely nevermind the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   that he had a family and children with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   her it was oh my wife is back from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/312">TS</a>]

00:05:13   dead have fun clone of my wife who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/313">TS</a>]

00:05:17   actually I can't remember the plot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/317">TS</a>]

00:05:18   permutations one of them is that in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20   cast on the floor of the sea that brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23   us to the inferno store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   aligned they would you can get nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   collected now on amazon or your local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   comic store where it was revealed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   Madeline prior was a clone done guys mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/330">TS</a>]

00:05:35   sinister yes the brilliantly tire titled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/335">TS</a>]

00:05:38   mr. sinister and learn and then she went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/338">TS</a>]

00:05:41   on certain mrs. sinister named their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   child they didn't really know what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   gonna happen to him it turns out he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/346">TS</a>]

00:05:47   going to leave to life neighbor hippies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   and we're like he'll find his own path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/349">TS</a>]

00:05:50   exactly you'll find him so mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   technically his first name he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   they were inspired by mr. mr. the band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   mister mister sinister you right now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   wow it i had a conversation actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02   with his broken cleanse and learn to fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   well it's really complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/365">TS</a>]

00:06:06   relationships i think that's what we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   learned yeah read it happens a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   because they had that whole scroll thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   with Hawkeye and his dead wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   Mockingbird whom he thought came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   from the dead and turned out she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/376">TS</a>]

00:06:17   really scroll an undercover scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/377">TS</a>]

00:06:20   all right Scott with anyone came we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   didn't even talk to Scott Summers ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   up with the gonna ask the white queen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   right who was bad but it was good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   it's still hanging with with gene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   because he was telepathically cheating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   on gene with emma frost that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   again ok so tell me one out there beware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   of telepathy and clones complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   relationship knows why he's telepathic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   women date Scott Summers because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/399">TS</a>]

00:06:42   can read his mind you know what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   thinking and you know it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/404">TS</a>]

00:06:45   end well he's very complex and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/405">TS</a>]

00:06:47   really enjoy that like a rogue yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/407">TS</a>]

00:06:50   are there speaking of whom is the rogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   and gambit capo it yet and I like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56   three of us of simultaneously roll our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/416">TS</a>]

00:06:57   eyes so that one can truly it's it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   here's the thing about these did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/420">TS</a>]

00:07:01   these couples come and go and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/421">TS</a>]

00:07:04   them keep coming back like like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   Scott gene but a lot of them are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/426">TS</a>]

00:07:09   know it is the soap opera thing which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   said our earlier before we started the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   comic books are I've said this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   their soap operas they are continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   stories in the same minute soap operas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19   are and stable relationships generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   not entirely but generally are not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   to buy that kind of drama because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   want to keep pairing people off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   breaking them up and having affairs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   all this kind of drama and so you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/450">TS</a>]

00:07:31   a few relationships that seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   more like bedrock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   well right now we're just talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36   the mainstream publishers marvel in DC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   what I've noticed in my reading is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   nowhere near as fast as Jason so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   a tremendous caveat is what I've noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   this in smaller imprints or imprints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   that aren't supporting the types and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   flight sonra is you're more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   find a relationship that doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53   all the storm and drawn of of a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   school dating Club well but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/475">TS</a>]

00:07:56   realism injected into that bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   definitely more heightened superhero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   comics relationship maybe don't although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   there are some stable ish relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   or have been yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   in the superhero comics there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/486">TS</a>]

00:08:07   the exception i think more than i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   have to go out there for the the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   elephant around all of this is that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/491">TS</a>]

00:08:14   lot of that superhero stuff is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/494">TS</a>]

00:08:17   poorly written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/497">TS</a>]

00:08:18   yeah and the idea of if you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   somebody's girlfriend or take the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   characters significant other and torture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/505">TS</a>]

00:08:26   that's just easy drama women in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/506">TS</a>]

00:08:27   refrigerators women referring to women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   refrigerator problem it's it's angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   baby are easy drama and if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/511">TS</a>]

00:08:34   mediocre writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   it's like putting a guy in a Nazi pseudo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   bad guy you know it's not this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   they did with the green with the green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   arrow Black Canary wedding is and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/521">TS</a>]

00:08:44   made me furious because i was a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47   huge birds of prey fan and they had done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   a really fantastic job over the course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   of birds of prey Gail Simone done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   wonderful job of rehabbing the Black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/533">TS</a>]

00:08:54   Canary character and turning her into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   somebody who is a plausible leader in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/536">TS</a>]

00:08:59   battle and a plausible leader of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   in the Justice League and she goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03   Mary Oliver Queen and I think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05   last Simone issues are one of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   I want the Adventist I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   anyway there's there's one issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/550">TS</a>]

00:09:11   birds-of-prey were friends basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   stage an intervention with Dinah you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16   this guy have a really really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   history are you sure you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/558">TS</a>]

00:09:19   into this and she just blows them off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   and then you go into the Judd Winick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/561">TS</a>]

00:09:22   scripted wedding where it turns out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/562">TS</a>]

00:09:25   she doesn't marry green arrow she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26   marries his she marries a bad cough a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/566">TS</a>]

00:09:29   clone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/569">TS</a>]

00:09:29   no more or less it's a bad guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   morphs into green arrow and tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   kill her on the honeymoon night it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/573">TS</a>]

00:09:34   happened it's and then what you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   to do the divorce rate is very high and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/576">TS</a>]

00:09:37   i miss you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   Marvel and peep about that because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   thought you know you've got almost 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   years of history with these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43   characters why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   is it really worth of that this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/585">TS</a>]

00:09:48   temporary spike in sales 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/588">TS</a>]

00:09:51   spike this on the wedding night it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   kind of speaks to this real adolescent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   fear of all my god relationships oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   god what did she ask me to do the dishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   so okay that is a perfect segue into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   into the the accident I wanted to grind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/601">TS</a>]

00:10:04   in this podcast which is that some at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/604">TS</a>]

00:10:07   some point after about I think 15 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   of spider-man and he and he had his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   girlfriend Gwen Stacy who was killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   which i think is the exception that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   proves the rule right you can come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16   with a few examples of of deaths that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   were really shocking and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   basically permanent and she's with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/620">TS</a>]

00:10:23   girlfriend death in the Marvel Universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/623">TS</a>]

00:10:24   right where the girlfriend that in up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   yeah with a girlfriend in jeopardy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/626">TS</a>]

00:10:29   done well and not cheaply but it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   equivalent pretty shocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   yeah but uh but then so it after about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   15 years maybe or 20 years of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   existence of spider-man he's got his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   longtime girlfriend Mary Jane Watson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   there's a that they are they get married [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   and there's a whole event where they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/645">TS</a>]

00:10:46   married in the comic strip and they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/646">TS</a>]

00:10:47   married in the comic book and they do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   special issue and all that and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/649">TS</a>]

00:10:52   interesting about it is this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/652">TS</a>]

00:10:53   attempt to fundamentally change Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/653">TS</a>]

00:10:56   Parker from being this kind of kid who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   who's on the outs to being this young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   adult who's struggling now he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/660">TS</a>]

00:11:03   struggle with his adult relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   and try to have a job and have a wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/665">TS</a>]

00:11:07   and have a family with being spider-man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/667">TS</a>]

00:11:08   so it's different but it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/668">TS</a>]

00:11:11   it's different in the details but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   necessarily in the indie / she thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/674">TS</a>]

00:11:15   that goes for decades for decades and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   some point to reason that I thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   this one leads to mention this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/679">TS</a>]

00:11:22   at some point the editor-in-chief Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   Comics said i don't think people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   have spider-man be married he'd been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/686">TS</a>]

00:11:29   married i think at that point almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/689">TS</a>]

00:11:30   long as he's not been married before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/690">TS</a>]

00:11:31   that it was at the at over 20 haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/691">TS</a>]

00:11:34   alright so but they're like oh kids can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   identify with that we want to make him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/696">TS</a>]

00:11:37   single again and and so the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   forgetting how many adults read and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   they take this bedrock promising and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   and they do it plus i got ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   spider-man which they could you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/705">TS</a>]

00:11:46   which is that old old Peter Parker kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/706">TS</a>]

00:11:48   of storytelling they so they they been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/708">TS</a>]

00:11:53   badly execute this thing where there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/713">TS</a>]

00:11:54   deal with the devil made and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   there like retro actively time bubbled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   into not being married right count all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/718">TS</a>]

00:12:01   the divorce now you have to have a deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   with that divorce is too much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/723">TS</a>]

00:12:04   bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/724">TS</a>]

00:12:05   yeah i'm going to make it that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/725">TS</a>]

00:12:06   never married but what's interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   me about that is not mean we could and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/728">TS</a>]

00:12:10   it's been hard on at length about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   poorly that was executed and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   really reads like somebody sent a memo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   joe quesada send a memo saying do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   and then they did it and there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   real reason story reason given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   I I don't want to talk about that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/743">TS</a>]

00:12:24   much as I want to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/744">TS</a>]

00:12:25   underlying motivation which was we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   a character who is in a stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   relatively I mean yes they're clone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   sagas and she goes to the west coast for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   modeling career and all that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/754">TS</a>]

00:12:35   basically they were married for 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   in real-world time and somebody in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/757">TS</a>]

00:12:41   position of authority said people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   want to see that we don't want a stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   relationship with our character he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   as interesting with a relationship that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   the last we want to get rid of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   i think the the thing that proves that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/772">TS</a>]

00:12:55   not the case if you look at the get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/775">TS</a>]

00:12:59   trade paperback again now the Cravens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/779">TS</a>]

00:13:01   last hunt which was the first storyline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   that happened right after Peter Parker's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/784">TS</a>]

00:13:05   marriage to mary jane it was about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/785">TS</a>]

00:13:09   long time villain Kraven the hunter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/789">TS</a>]

00:13:10   kidnap spider-man drugs him buries him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/790">TS</a>]

00:13:15   and then takes his identity dresses up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   as spider-man and then goes and beats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   one of spider-man's other villains that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   spider-man has never beaten I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/802">TS</a>]

00:13:23   vermin or something remember correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   and then spider-man wakes up after being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/805">TS</a>]

00:13:31   unconscious for two weeks to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   that craving has now taken his identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34   is doing this thing and all of the drama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   from the story came from the fact of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/816">TS</a>]

00:13:39   he's just he's a newlywed his wife you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   know what happened to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   I've been gone all of the emotions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/824">TS</a>]

00:13:47   angst around like wanting to protect his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   family and her being scared by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/829">TS</a>]

00:13:52   spider-man character that's out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   but is not her husband and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   happened to my husband like huge amounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   of drama and amazing heart-wrenching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   story and then at the end of it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/840">TS</a>]

00:14:04   Peter Parker comes back and confronts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05   Craven he kills himself because his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/845">TS</a>]

00:14:08   whole thing was beating spider-man and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/848">TS</a>]

00:14:09   by taking his identity and being as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   villain he has now become better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   spider-man doesn't need to fight him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   anymore he doesn't need he is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   much just on with his life and kills me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/857">TS</a>]

00:14:18   often it's actually been another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   meaningful deaths that I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/860">TS</a>]

00:14:21   carried on comics have never bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/861">TS</a>]

00:14:22   Craven back the drama of that story came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/862">TS</a>]

00:14:25   from the his relationship with his wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/865">TS</a>]

00:14:28   yeah it was one that was right after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   marriage and I think when writers today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   talk about married Peter Parker is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/872">TS</a>]

00:14:35   as interesting his teenage high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   Peter Parker first like you pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   they have ultimate spider-man they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/880">TS</a>]

00:14:41   tell those stories too and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/881">TS</a>]

00:14:45   other thing is they're just lousy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/885">TS</a>]

00:14:46   writers yeah and and maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/886">TS</a>]

00:14:50   they're feeling is that their readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   would rather have Peter have a bunch ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/892">TS</a>]

00:14:55   he's bunch he's juggling a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   girlfriends which is i would argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/897">TS</a>]

00:14:58   counter to the whole idea that character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01   is he's not he was never successful with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   her what you know at least LOL broadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   layer and now Sam it's better when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   done OK and the reboot and the rebooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/908">TS</a>]

00:15:11   of of of spider-man or the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   retroactive debt deal with the devil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   thing they've turned him into like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/916">TS</a>]

00:15:19   he's got all these girls who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/919">TS</a>]

00:15:20   interested in what's going to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   it's like what ever you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   spine i guess that was their idea of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   more romantic subplot that people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   appeal to be I wonder if part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31   it's very very easy to script beginnings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   of relationships it's very very easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   script endings and relationships and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37   lot of these endings from about four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/937">TS</a>]

00:15:38   profoundly stupid reasons and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   wonder is if part of this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/940">TS</a>]

00:15:43   subconscious attempt to mimic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   experiences that a high school audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   or even a college audience is having as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   they embark on their romantic life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   because there's so much drama instrument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   ring when you started dating in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   school every to the like me to not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/955">TS</a>]

00:15:58   me with their friends don't like me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/958">TS</a>]

00:15:59   on and so forth and and by the time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   your mid-twenties like you have learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/961">TS</a>]

00:16:02   to filter that out this is suggesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/962">TS</a>]

00:16:05   arrested development on a part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   core of the creators or their assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/967">TS</a>]

00:16:08   about where there's something about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   readers because i would argue that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   you do it well you could show the drama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   that's inherent in having a 20-plus your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   relationship and trying to mediate your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/976">TS</a>]

00:16:19   investment that relationship and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/979">TS</a>]

00:16:20   people against the demands that outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   life has for you so tom defalco and Ron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/982">TS</a>]

00:16:25   friends did a long-running and now dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   series called spider-girl which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   about Peter Parker and Mary Jane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   Watson's daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   who had spider powers and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/992">TS</a>]

00:16:35   enjoyable for a lot of different reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/995">TS</a>]

00:16:36   and as somebody who has a daughter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/996">TS</a>]

00:16:40   died i loved having a strong female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   superhero character and she's she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:44   going through exactly what this classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:45   Spiderman stories were except it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   woman instead of a man or a girl instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   of a boy but one of the interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   things about that book is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   depicts a decades-long marriage between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:57   Peter and Mary Jane and he's retired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   from being spider-man because one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   enemies like he lost a leg in a battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:04   and so he's got a prosthetic leg and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   that breed Richards built for him and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   you know but it's and they've got and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   got a marriage is having a second second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:14   kid and and and made Parker the daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:17   is struggling with her powers and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   there's lots of great drama there too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   and it shows me that that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   this should be no surprise that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   life doesn't end when you get married [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:29   you get its different industry more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   complicated one of what a nice man yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   one of my favorite me some reason is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   curtain people is a curfew CX tournament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   series on I got kidney Clark Kent who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:41   basically become Superman and I good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   well it's no it's an ordinary kid and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   can't remember the title of it up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   air maybe it's killing me because I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   see the covers and the artist beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   and basically the for many that the four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   books did birth right now okay now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:58   but though the whole arc of the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   is first the first book he's meeting his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02   powers the second book he's meeting lois [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:05   lane for the first time actually her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:06   name is Louis Louis chowdhury because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   she is absolute is a secret identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   yes I believe it is Superman secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   identity and it's fantastic because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   basically the whole arc is him trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16   balance having superpowers and and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:19   good in the world against the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:21   he very much loves his wife Lois and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   loves his twin girls and the last book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   is it basically is is the fruits of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   30-odd your marriage he has and discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:31   that his girls independent superpowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:32   as well and how he mediates the worry he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   has for having superpower children and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   and his wife at some point is like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   well now you know what I've been feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:39   for the last however many years and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   just this beautiful little panel because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   it's it packs so much history and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   emotion into one tiny exchange and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   one of the most positive depictions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   the premise that you can be a superhero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   and still have a healthy robust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:56   functional romantic life thank God it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   was an elseworlds tale that if it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00   that's as we used to call it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:03   imaginary story i like those real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   stories also exist so Lois and Clark are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   one of those bedrock relationships that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   that don't mean they do come and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   occasionally but they're mostly there i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:15   think they've got married several times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:16   that's right well yes like Phyllis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   Diller in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:20   Reed Richards at Reed Richards and Sue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:23   Storm Richards are another example and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   there's really a bedrock relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:27   marriage that's that going aside from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   that time when she ran off with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   brother and he got an army of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   super-powered criminals to hunt them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34   down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:35   well you know within a few exceptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37   they have essentially been they've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:39   some spat ya right they separate and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:42   their different writers but they've also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:43   had but sadly and start married they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   started as a boyfriend/girlfriend and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   then they got married when they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48   as anything hit on him is like a 40 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:51   old guy he ages the other direction but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54   it was the 60s and they have kids right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   which is they have 18 children now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   four decades has got everything time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   there was Franklin Ellery yeah and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:03   had we in a great during a John Burns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06   run which is considered I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   second greatest run after Stanley in be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   great I they had a miscarriage and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   was pregnant for many many many issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:16   know how long exactly it was and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   went into labor and read had be fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   Doctor Octopus to coral as you did he do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   and during it all she's nobody said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   wasn't going to be complicated but she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30   in the hospital i dealing with this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:33   he's trying to get back to his wife and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   by the time he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   she's already miscarried or telescope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:40   Bergen and it's just have really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:43   touching scene and again drama that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:46   can have with mature relationships and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:49   and other things and that's the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:51   they have two kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:52   yeah and who only occasionally I i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:56   just reading the mark waid fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   four runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1258">TS</a>]

00:20:58   the early two thousands and in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:01   Franklin was literally sent to hell yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:04   that's right to be tortured for a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   while and that caused some concern if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:09   could get an idea how you can talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:10   you can talk to Giuliana Rasputin about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   that making billion on greater actualize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:15   why stop there why stop treating X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   Factor because I do like Peter David is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   a writer and I was a big fan of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   was a big fan of the series because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:22   think the way just X Factor know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:25   the I think the first iteration where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   matt mattox is running the detective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29   agencies or no that's a recent one okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32   yeah alright that's what we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   about that's the one that basically came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:35   in pops into existence in the last five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:36   years or so and one of the plots has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   been getting really drunk in his clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   bedding all of the women on the team and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   banshees daughter whose name is eluding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:47   me at the siren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:48   thank you she gets pregnant and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:51   and Max become a couple carries the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   to term and the first time he holds the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   baby it turns out that she was carrying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   a club she was impregnated by a clone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   according to the laws of the Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:00   Universe the baby is but a clone and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   he reabsorbs the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   yeah gross yeah you and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:07   actually the moment where i put down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08   book and said I'm done I'm out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   because it well because all they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   after that was no she's angry and oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   there's there's drama attention and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:15   so-and-so for you you're my baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   yeah you know you could talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:20   weather on a couple stays together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:21   through this kind of wrenching loss and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:22   instead it's like a drunken jerky used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   to clone to impregnate me which is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   and telepaths yeah stay we make it hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:30   to have a relationship right us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:31   we're learning the other thing I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   learning is besides divorce you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   possibly make a deal with the devil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   yeah you get out of this fifth marriage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   isn't working or anything it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   like Satan's annulment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:43   I that could have been the title of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   series why was I would have been better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   i would have been better than one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   day so no and and I'm no more understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   the point to it may really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   she's an old well we we had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:55   conversation I think just like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   it she's dying to meet I maybe should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00   he's not evil afterlife to keep her away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:04   from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   one of the series I want to bring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:06   which in my mind has the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   relationship I've read in comics is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11   Sandman mystery theatre by matt wagner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:14   and steven biko writes it and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:20   think of his co-writers name and drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:23   by guy davis largely all those couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   other artists who have helped but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27   very set in the nineteen thirties New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:28   York the run up to World War two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:32   Wesley Dodds come back from China and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:36   does this very pulp fiction character of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:39   Sandman and he falls in love with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42   Diane this last name is going to escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:46   belmont who is the police commissioner's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   daughter and that migrants Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:51   seagull seagull kept going to go to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:54   Thank You internet yeah I so the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:58   underlying thing of the story of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   whole run of the series is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:04   relationship and how it starts off in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   kind of dating way then gradually they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   get closer and closer and she's like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   of the driving forces in the comic veo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   it's the cheap is much you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:17   nineteen-thirties appropriate but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20   starting to branch out into that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:21   modern woman and wanting to have a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   not being satisfied with the status quo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   not being satisfied with where women's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   positions was back then and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:30   finding a bond with Wesley and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:34   eventually he let Syrian onto our secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:35   and then at night she starts driving him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   around and being is sort of partner but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:42   it really in the best sense of the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   like when marriage is really working i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   don't i haven't finished the series yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   because they only released the eighth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:49   trade paperback and I think there should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   be two more and for some reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   like to leave a couple years between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   releasing these paperbacks but a their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1495">TS</a>]

00:25:00   relationship is so amazing and it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:04   in stark contrast to a lot of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   stories happen to be rolled it around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:10   largely around like you know maniacs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   taking in skinning women and torturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16   them and some really really brutal stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   so even creates a stronger contrast but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:21   it's an amazing realistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:24   partnership between these two characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   who follow in in love and he ends up not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:31   being able to do what he does without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:32   her and it's not done in any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:36   like pandering that's a really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   change from the usual i can either to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   have my Cape life or my love life but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   can't have both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:43   that seems to be a constant source of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   dramatic tension see also that writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   right and this is completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   and they struggle with it a little but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   it's more on she's trying to help him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   and he's there because they're a team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:58   because that's really what a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   relationship is right it'sit's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   amazing i think this is why the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   superhero relationship that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   well not just one let me backtrack when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   wildstorm did the storm watch team and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   they did the authority one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   they did on storm watch is they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   made a rule that if you couple if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   you pair up with a team that you're off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:18   the team and their premise was if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:21   you're we can't count on you being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   distracted by your feelings for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   partner if you're in the middle of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26   battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   so if this is important to you leave and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   seems logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:30   yeah and several people did and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   with the authority they have of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   the midnight and Apollo who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35   basically there Batman Superman analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   and they are of course a committed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:39   long-term couple who's raising Jenny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   quantum and there's was just as very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44   matter-of-fact yes we're here we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   queer where 300 pounds and we'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:50   you a pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:51   yeah well it's well it's ok it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   but it's also a totally functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:54   relationship there's no drama there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   nobody gives them static about it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   think that and get beat up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   exactly and there's a night and Apollo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:06   are pretty tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:06   yeah but between that and the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   other 1i want to call out in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   capes is I really like the invincible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   has been handling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:13   I was gonna buy it has written I've Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   Eve well not just that I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   the very beginning when Invincibles moms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   like so I've been married to an alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   invaders yeah along now with and she it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   takes her a while to recover from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   and it's a really realistic thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   she was the comic never lets you forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   that she has betrayed down to her core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   and even though they're they're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   together now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:37   laughter much of that was that was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:40   an easy thing now he had to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43   because he betrayed her in a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   different way than a normal betrayal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   what happened and he was a secret plant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   from evil empire and they shouldn't plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:52   yeah and then she raises his half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   insects son by another larval queen yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57   but it's it's a super awkward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:00   what it is but again this is but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   a great job of flushing out her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   character because it points out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   she's like well this child obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06   needs a mother and I will do it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:09   well it's in it's it's it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   moment but Invincibles one of those were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:12   about it doesn't take that false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:14   dichotomy of caper relationship right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   William what it doesn't set is say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   there's ways to do both because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   the whole point of being a superhero is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:21   not that you're this bifurcated person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   the whole point is that it's just part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:24   of who you are and and mark and Eve in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:27   that comic are you know not together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   when we first meet them he's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   regular girlfriend but it's very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   that Eve and Mark are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   together and he was dating someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   as well yeah it's super here and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:38   nice it's a nice progression but once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:41   they're together they also she's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:44   like becomes his business manager a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   little bit because he's very busy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   she's also got power so they're sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:48   like they're two superpowers together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   they can like get paid to catch escaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53   convicts and clean up messes and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   like that so they got a little business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   going and then he gets sent because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   very cosmic oriented series he gets sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   offworld for a period of time and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:05   pregnant and he doesn't know and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:08   leads to a whole interesting subplot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   where she's pregnant and did she lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13   the paper just to have an abortion i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   don't have not read that far as she does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   not sorry I'm spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   well okay I'm gonna get trade by trade I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:21   don't think it's really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   well the point is now that everyone's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:24   um she doesn't have the baby but she you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:30   know she goes through this emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:31   process and she gains she gains a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34   weight and the way it's not coming off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   she her body has changed and when Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:39   there's this initial thought of like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:40   wow you know settle yourself together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:43   right it's like no this is me this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   who I am and that's been really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   because they're still together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:49   there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:50   you know always strains in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:51   relationship you know diamond giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   giant dinosaur supervillains can haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   their effects like clones and telepaths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   but i like the fact that that Kirkman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   invincible is trying to have them have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:04   these countries fails but they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:05   that they're really together they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   they're a great match and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   married or anything yet but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   they're really great match who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:12   reason to stick to stick together in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   these things that happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15   clones and telepathic dinosaurs don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   necessarily get in the way of that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   is nice to see so a lot of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   superhero genre a lot of what we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   talking about is a the main protagonist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   being a male and having a female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   relationship yeah and exit except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:32   midnight on Apollo but it has been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   female lead books or characters who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   also had relationships I try to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   Wonder Woman there aren't that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   female lead but seriously either one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   the challenging way I'm rifling through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   the vertical back catalogue in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48   reason I say vertigo is it's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:49   most likely to aim at women right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52   terms of readership but i can't recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55   it ya know now I was thinking there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:59   that there was a miniseries called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:00   witching which is about three women who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   were which is obviously Supergirl never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   had new love interests about girl i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:08   guess you could argue that the runaways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09   is sort of a female-led book in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   sense that it's an ensemble and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13   ensemble with a really healthy gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:14   mix em um that said because it's a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:18   about teenagers and the whole point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:21   they're teenagers with exceptionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22   complex lives you're not really going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:23   find any good examples of relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   where all I can pull out kitty pryde who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   has every every adolescent boy in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   eighties you know left Kitty Pryde and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   she had adolescent girl needs want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:34   well this is the best keep riding pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   nice right so so so she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   relationships but I always eating like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   you know Gotye hated him so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   like I won't repair to the eighties I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   all my god hate him so much because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:45   course anyway like I was saying they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   were essentially having non couple yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   right right but this is this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   those samples where at least as I've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   didn't diagnose that most people did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   that they were thinking of it from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   perspective I I never thought that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   could these relationships were her being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   paired with people it was who is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:02   to be paired with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:03   and of course that's what I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   referenced earlier of course Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:08   Parker gets kitty pryde in ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:11   ultimate spider-man right which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:12   hilarious and like why did nobody think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   of it notes because their ages were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   have different in the regular Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   Universe but that's somebody and Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   and and and Kitty specifically where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:22   they had this sort of she's young but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   she loves she's at release a crush on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   him and he's older and he's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   hold her arms length but you know India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31   something they're like they would throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   you just again I said this is somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   who read this during the eighties you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   know we go as I traveled the arc from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:40   elementary school through high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   they would throw you just enough to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   there's hope as soon as she gets older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   oh my gosh one of these days he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:47   notice that she got kidnapped by Caliban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   yeah the source for a while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:50   they bring her back she married and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   she ran into people's demand and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:55   know the later on yeah but it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   all my gosh that was one of the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   unconsummated or i should say one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:01   great non-relational joss whedon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   consummated a boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   yeah I don't think I don't acknowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:06   that that's an alternate universes far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:10   as I'm pretty private much integrated I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   Bendis and ultimate yeah yeah yeah then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:15   she ever was that was that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:16   masterstroke ultimate spider-man the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   first you know the first edition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   ultimate spider-man with Peter Parker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   and mary jane and Gwen Stacy and Kitty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   Pryde yes you're right that's three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:28   pretty he's got a pretty good batting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29   average there if he's got those three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   women interesting him but all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:32   relationship or different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   yeah and they were all really good like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   the mary-jane Peter relationship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:36   ultimate spider-man is way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   believable and understandable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   detail about who these people are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   here they work together why they be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:44   invented the Marvel Universe although it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   was always its independence things he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   was always treated more as a hapless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   victim of the relationships I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   were completely with women driven women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   dominated and I think it actually goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57   back to one of the high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   well noted that word acumen totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:03   clueless about one of the ethos in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   these tights and flights books though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:07   which is which is that oh these guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   great at beating the crap out of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:11   other on top of the Empire State [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   Building but oh they're helpless when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   pepper pops depths tops are dainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:17   whatever when it's such a human emotions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20   come into play and when they do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:22   don't have the power to just do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24   they want and not everyone is as great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   and all aspects of their life you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   because you're good at your job doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   mean you're yeah that's what yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   not everyone is that well-rounded yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   that was and and so I was like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   about the about that but the it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:36   stroke of genius to put kitty pryde and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   Peter Parker's high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   well but Kitty Pryde and and Bobby Drake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:43   and uh and I storm storm was your agency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:47   also super high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   yeah it's great i'm sorry that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   didn't go on library I wouldn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:52   that was not really that again i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   talk that was pretty yeah I i recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   invested all of my ultimate spider-man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:59   trades and now I'm kind of wishing i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:00   i would love to go back I would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   you can borrow my hardcovers marveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:04   at how long can you please do a nun told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:05   and untold tales series i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:08   I'm smarter arrow high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   yeah I don't superhero highest i can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   remember the name of the title that came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:13   out of years ago I think it was a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   think it was a wild storm title i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   it starts than I but it was basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:18   about a superhero high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   um and what I remember is they tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:24   do what basically amounted to hyper text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   on the page where you have the comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:27   and then you'd have all of these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   back 20 blurbs that were call-outs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   imposed it's gonna drive me crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   because I can you can see the futuristic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:34   font they used in the covers it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   a 13 issue series i want to say back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:40   circuit 2004-2005 where they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:43   did a superhero high school and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   was it would be even worse than regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:46   high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:47   sure well because in addition to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   usual petty jealousies and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50   forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:51   you had people who would not hesitate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   nuke each other because they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:54   power to do so or people who turn each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   other into bats or what have you ever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   teenagers show lousy restraint yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   that was basically the premise was these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:01   people did terrible things to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   because they have poor impulse control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04   Sam so if you had to pick one favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:10   comic-book relationship from your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:15   comic book reading but what would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:19   will be the one that you would pick as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:20   long as we already talked about its the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:21   the Diane belmont Wesley Dodds Sam and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:25   mystery theater i would read that over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   and over for the relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   all right Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   see now I want to read that too um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   that's good that's part of why we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:34   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:34   I kind of want to divide it into tights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   vs non tights sure that I'm one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   things i noticed we focus a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:39   superheroes we haven't really talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   about the non-superhero a lot of the non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:42   superhero genre is just like literature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   in that it's got a lot of realism and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   more of a event where I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   mention the walking dead which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   super realistic in the zombies but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   christman but there's some really and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:54   there's a marriage and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:56   issues and some of them are but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   licensed marriage but it right but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2218">TS</a>]

00:36:59   is a story right bullet to that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   but it's a story and and and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   seem mean I the relationships in non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:06   superhero comics see more or less i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   would think about as well handled as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:11   your average relationship and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   works which is some of them are good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:14   some of them are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   yeah because i was gonna say free i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   the book scalp for example but it drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:18   me nuts but they do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:19   relationships and that which is to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   horrible horrible dramatic drawn-out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   things um I have a soft spot for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:27   dignity is Ralph ensued knee because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30   they were that ended poorly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   well yes and no yes and no because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:36   granted her brutal rape and murder was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39   what was a challenge on it was nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   quality their own horn but we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:46   laughing our terrible terrible way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:49   how horrible that it was out of left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   field a bright because they take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:52   character she and she and route soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   Ralph had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:55   it was almost like Nick and Nora Charles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:56   we're basically these globe-trotting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   wisecracking mystery-solving people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   oh yes he happens to be elastic men and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:03   so you had this solid functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   marriage and I realized the reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   decided to these terrible things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:08   Sydney was it was supposed to shock you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:09   to your core that this beloved and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   stable member of the DC universe was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   horribly violated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:14   however um first of all people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:17   really taken aback that it was sued me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   and not in the MS Reed more type away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   but run it out to you monsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   however it ends with Ralph dying too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:26   they're reunited and now they're solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:27   crimes in the afterlife and so I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   that they got back together I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:30   that's sweet afterlife crimes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   there wasn't any ghosts detectives know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   the ghost times now and I like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   they're back together and back to being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:37   there Bantry old self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   um I wanted to complain about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   relationships on fables but we've I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   think we've passed that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:44   but if you ever if you wanted to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:49   what are you saying fairytale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:50   relationships don't go well Tucker don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:54   live happily ever after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   no they there is a Brahma killer well no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   I actually a lot of complaints about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   snow white baby relationship because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   that one is going entirely too well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:02   considering the tremendous amounts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   baggage they bring to the relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   and the fact that he got her pregnant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:07   when she was out of her mind with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:08   hallucinations or something um wasn't he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   out of his mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:11   she was the one who know because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   because I believe that I they may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   both been idea why but it wasn't long is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:19   a wolf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:20   yeah and the and the Northland also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:23   yeah we can do but plans telepaths and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:27   mean if you were old but if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28   if you're really craving an up-and-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   type of drama with them with the romance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   and the riding off into the sunset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:33   I know you don't care for the book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   preacher is actually a great romantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:38   story about you know there's a definite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:39   are really really it is it is they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   out their differences in every couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   has them they work out their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44   communications issues and they end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   having each other's back and they ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   off into the sunset on the horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   literally so it's bonus points for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:54   it's a surprisingly sweet story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   underneath the gratuitous you know men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:59   who have sex with sausages and angry god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:02   and while and backwards Nazis and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   all of that so of course my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:09   comic-book relationship is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   commander and marionette in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   Micronauts know it took us four now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:18   I'm not a lot of love in the micro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:20   universe not yet that's not true that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   not true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:23   Kroy and his girlfriend who can't who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:26   has is having his baby but can't be with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   him because he's banished from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:29   people for betraying them even though he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:30   saves them bug and his girl oh there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:33   lots of romance in my ovaries just too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   small to see budgets back in the Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   Universe I guess back in the marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39   universe because they own the rights to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:40   bug they just don't know it to most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:41   the other characters so that will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   things awkward because like I would tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44   you more about my friends behind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   allowed taking them tell them but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   any in obscure and circumscribed ways no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   i trade my turn maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:53   I'd like any pride is probably the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   touchstone for me even though I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   hated Colossus I always thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:58   the that was that was the interpersonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   kind of relationship that I that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   definitely follow when I was a kid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03   big and hard and yes and that's why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:07   hate him so much protected he watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10   out for her battle and and yes you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   to rely on our special and all my guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:14   oh I hated him so much and although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   although although the ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   spider-man i think in terms of modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20   relationships I I Bendis one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   advantages of having that decompression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   and all that dialogue is that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   actually got to build up some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:27   interesting interpersonal relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   in with between especially Peter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   Mary Jane I'd agree with that yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   would too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:34   I like brian michael bendis is a writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:35   a lot yeah well i mean i was gonna I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:38   gonna take the last few minutes to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:39   about what are you reading and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   going to bring up the new ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   spider-man which as much as i railed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   against what they did to Peter Parker in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:48   the death of Spiderman arc with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   obviously and painfully named death of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   Spiderman arc we're in which they big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   surprise kill spider-man in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:58   sorry Lisa I'm spoiling everything today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   in the new amazing spider or ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   spider-man series it's great because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   it's all the good things about dentists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:06   except now the kid is not even younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   he's got some different family dynamics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:10   but he too was bitten by a genetically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13   altered Norman Osborn corporation spider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   and his powers are slightly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   and he interacts with the ultimate sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:20   and with Gwen Stacy at one point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   basically gets read the riot act about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   if you're going to be spider-man you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   gotta understand that you're in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   shadow and you gotta you gotta you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   you gotta follow his example and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:32   that and it's actually don't dishonor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:33   this it it's amazing how I again I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:37   like how they ended it because i felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:38   like it was we're done with this let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:39   just let's just wrap this up but the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   series is great for all the reasons the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:44   old series was great which is really its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   Bendis and dealing with like kids trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   to struggle with their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:49   relationship to the world which is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   material and so the Miles Morales the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   new spider-man is it's a pretty easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:56   turning out to be a pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:57   character and I think it was genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   turning Peter Parker into Uncle Ben yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   oh no that's exactly it he's gotta live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   up because Peter Parker's whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   watchword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:07   was with great power comes great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:07   responsibility and now now miles has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:10   live up to Peter's example it's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:13   so yeah they did a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:14   there's there's a chilling that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   really got me on their side is there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   chilling a couple of issues where he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   to interact with spider Ultimate Spider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21   Woman with who is a female clone of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   Peter Parker so she has all the memories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   of Peter Parker up to about you know two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   years right in which four people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28   listing who haven't read those ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   spider-man things the jessica through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:35   yeah whoo and the ultimate universities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   as you said a female Peter Parker yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   that brings up so many interesting story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   things pretty well she's kissing Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   store oh yeah and you know Anna and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46   weird and Ben just deals with it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   like so do you like really well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   you like boys now and she's like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:50   maybe but i also remember loving Mary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   Jane so I don't really know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   fascinating but she has to interact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   miles and its really weird for both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   them because peter is dead and he's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   sort of spider-man and she's mad about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:04   that but it because she is sort of Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   which means she can also kind of be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:09   representative of him to the new guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   it's it's great i am so so Brian Bendis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   you know III he does really good work i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:18   gotta say I'm ivory every time he loses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:21   me he gets me back right i love the flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   side o moon night the new series by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:25   business as I've read the first seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:28   eight issues and that's when there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:29   a couple of shit is that was bad i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   been trying you know I've really trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:34   because i like the moon I character and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   maybe I'm missing something I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:40   it's not resonating I don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:43   there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:44   yeah interesting there tonight always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:47   seemed like a better idea than an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   execution yeah you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   yeah because i read the whole big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   mansion built if its run and it was has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   none of that forced air and good that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   should do it will sink its podcast would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:58   be cool if he dumped by my darling for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   middle that's a good idea i went back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   and read my new mutants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   why would that go visit my new mutants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   run recently and we'll think of its does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:09   a huge shark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:10   yeah and i remember reading it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   fourteen-year-old and just struggling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   to understand the art and what am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   seeing exactly know and it was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   radical more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:20   lock was like we're straddling this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   abstract black with a pair blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   yeah and easy against the 49ers I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   really struggling to try to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:29   the art and try to make sense of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   going back now and looking at its really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   striking to see how he's influenced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37   lot of visual conventions and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:40   interviewing years so you know we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:43   we should definitely talk about how he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   shaped storytelling or if you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   end if it was for the better or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:47   that's a great idea anyway so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   know we're also just was gonna revisit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   watchman now that we've uh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:54   another podcast with now that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   announced that they're watch men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:56   prequels coming out there's Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57   there's there's that there is too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   better do some heard that I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   watch him Saturday morning cartoon yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   watching babies the other i wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:06   mention a few of the other things i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   reading and then and then you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09   should say if there are things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:10   are reading and rereading i just read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:14   the first issue of Winter Soldier which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   is Ed Brubaker doing a non going series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:20   about Bucky who is the winter soldier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   and he's you know from the pages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   Captain America and I feel like I'll off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   I'm gonna follow Brubaker it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   loved what he did with that character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   and that whole story arc where he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   be deprogrammed from being a Soviet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   assassin and then he has to be captain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   america when Captain America is dead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   now he is trying to sort of like faked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42   his own death and he and the Black Widow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   are doing secret missions and Brubaker's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47   such a good writer and I love what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   done with Captain America that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:50   I'm on the train for winter soldier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:52   that's that's such a great new Karen new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54   Marvel character not new but yet new I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   and I'm i like the first issue of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   so i'm reading that red POC is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:04   astonishing x-men now and I've left i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   liked the first two issues that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   done because it's essentially read I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   don't know if he's going to stick with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:12   this but it's essentially remaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   exiles which I liked which was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   author your file alternate universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:19   x-men where they just plot plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:20   characters from vary from alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   different parallel universes yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   really sort of like this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:25   leiter's that old TVs right saddle with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   the x-men but with your memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29   over or very soon be like spot aspergers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   spider-man 2099 the interest is lots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:35   lots of this crazy like mix-and-match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:36   well well astonishing what park is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:39   is he has like a storm i think it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:43   to Cyclops and says I need your help and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:46   she's got her Mohawk instead of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   current hair or do and he goes with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:50   and it turns out that that's not his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:51   storm and she's she's basically plucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   him because they keep stealing x-men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   from other universes in order to to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:58   horrible like dystopian universe where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:59   they're using them as power sources and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   then there's like an alternate Wolverine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:04   there and they break out of the jail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   it's it's it's cool because it i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:09   loved exiles I thought that was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:11   crazy idea to show to make all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   various alternate characters team up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15   that's what great park is doing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   astonishing so i'm i'm kinda on board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   for that I don't know whether that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   going to be the premise of the title at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   all or whether it's just a story arc but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   I'm liking it so that's what I talked me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   into it that's what i'm reading now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   i read a book called fenman which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   comic book biography of the physicist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:33   Richard Feynman women who might drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:36   Jim ottaviani and leland myrick are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:39   going to my amazon lists are the are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   writer and artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42   fine then I guess Richard find that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   who worked on the Manhattan Project and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:46   famously led the Challenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:48   investigation board after the special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   challenger incident and it was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53   cool that was my wife got at the library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   and brought it home for me and biography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   as comic book and it uses his words from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   his lectures and his writing to form a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:03   story of his life in comic form and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:07   a it's pretty cool so that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:08   that's what i'm reading Jason what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   you reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:11   hi as so right now I'm reading a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:14   the new kirby verse titles that dynamite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:18   is publishing so these are Jack Kirby's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:22   later creations the ones that he kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   yes Silverstar capital victory bombast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:30   there's a whole series of they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:31   published by tops in the late nineties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   or the early nineties he died in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:36   mid-nineties and then things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   the galaxy hunters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:42   at Marvel had published a series just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:45   recently on these Kirby claytor Kirby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:48   creation so dynamite has them all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   now and they've put them together in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:53   universe it's written by Mark way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:54   definitely knows you see it was me away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   yeah we've done resident here a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:59   good writer yeah I think about a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01   kirby creations is there fairly insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   and out there and just on bass tara lynn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:07   and so much energy and you take all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:11   them and put them into one look and act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:16   and even it's like you feeling every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   issue they're introducing another 36 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   characters your and concepts and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   ancient Mayan gods and base that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:26   people are gonna go there reading city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   go all the way then there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   couple of human characters who are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   the midst of all this and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   puzzle it out you're just like whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:35   where are they going to go next and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   just high energy Alex Ross is doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:41   the covers and some of the layouts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44   Mark great weight is writing it so its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   high-quality stuff just a million insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:50   ideas so it's just basically this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   untapped Kirby sandbox and tryna crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:56   character designs and try to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   make it i hope coherent doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:00   cold here right now but they're only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:01   like three or four issues in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   everyone i get there is another 36 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:04   characters and concepts kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   introducing like whoa where's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   struggling notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08   yeah it may have been a huge disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   but if it is it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   brilliant beautiful mess of a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:14   cool that's cool Lisa what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:17   reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:18   I've been doing a lot of ketchup because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:19   this is actually the downside to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   switching to trade format and away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   the flimsies yes I apologize again for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   spoiling invincible no it's okay is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   it takes so long between compilation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:31   sometimes that in order to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:32   appreciate what's the new 1i usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   have to go back one or two books just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35   get a good head of steam the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   somehow putting on the cutting edge on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   how to happen when i get my iPad i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40   probably back to single digits the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   storage since the issue that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   not the bugbear for me anyway I'm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   recently caught up on scalp which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   Ryan you are that's taking place in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:52   indication Aaron yes whom i love i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   is right is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:55   my only complaint is how he's handling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   the main romantic relationship because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   well he's not but some otherwise they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:03   the tension between tribal culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:06   obligation versus the surrounding an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:09   encroaching Anglo culture and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   question of where your loyalties lie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   whose laws are you ultimately bound to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:17   he's done a great job of exploring those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   tensions and seeing you know it's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   gap and seeing how people fall in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   gap and how they managed to climb out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:25   it's made for a really good series so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26   far I think they're up to six or seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   trades on my brother i sent him the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   first five with a note saying you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   to read these and so I don't have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:33   to lend out anymore but I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34   following up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   um I caught up on fables and i think i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:39   out after after the most recent I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:42   still way back in fables it really it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   didn't go as I love it yeah I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:47   future is bleak a kick it sounds to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:51   as somebody who hasn't read more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   few issues that there was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   logical kind of endpoint yes there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58   and then it's not going well i think yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   they vanquished the adversary and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   could have gotten very interesting after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:04   that because obviously this huge power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   golf word that we're just not used to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07   decimal used to be but it didn't and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   have all these here and you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   fairy tale people who are like okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   can go back to my land and take it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14   again and you have people who now lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:17   in Atlanta Palestine problem yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   basically is it basically is and given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   that the red are used Israel as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:24   metaphor for how people should solve war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   oh yeah huge fan of Israel it comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   his work where we're off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30   Israel is wow yeah yeah huge fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:34   Israel big basically says we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   work enough act like the Israelis do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   this is how we're going to win the war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:39   and that's how they do because this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   fantasy and but where it's gotten to now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:47   it's there there's all sorts of magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   who do and and the witches are planning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:52   different coos and now one main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:55   character has become the paladin of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:58   avatar of Hope which just sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59   like the kind of BS you'd find in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   really bad gene roddenberry Syfy series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:04   yeah ouch like i said i'm out i read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:07   most recent i read the most recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   story arc and I thought this is hogwash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   you again you have other options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:15   yeah this is good what is it about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:16   i'm still reading on written which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:19   getting increasingly more complex all i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   gotta catch up with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:22   yeah I really invited out yeah I'm as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   mentioned on previous podcast I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   really i'm still unwritten and I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:30   scribbling down recommendations the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   whole time we've been talking so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:32   imagine the next time I come back I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:33   gonna be like everything jason frasor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   when talking about my inventory so i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:39   been reading chew on your recommend yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:41   oh yeah I'm she's been kind of fun i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   read the first issue and because it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   all the hype of two and read the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   issue and wasn't it's not for the weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   of somebody engage it's not for the weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   of some I'm just fascinated by how weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   a premise it is and and the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56   issue wasn't great but I bought I bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:57   the first trade i think it's a digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   trade my brothers and my brothers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:02   mighty fine five so yeah I think I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   try the trade my brother sends me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   trades and it's another one where I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   kind of have to get used to the artwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   because it's definitely a ascetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:13   departure from the from the typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:14   types and flight style but it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   fun and at the risk of making it sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:19   like I'm eighteen people should get off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:20   my lawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:21   it feels really young compared to a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:23   of the stuff that's in the Marvel and DC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   vs it's not it's a superpower story but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:29   told really non traditionally it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   actually in some ways to remind me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   the top ten love top to wear it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   where it's like police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   yeah yeah except that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   traditional intentionally traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:43   story and she was like similar in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:46   it sort of super law enforcement but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   really non-traditional which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   terrible superpower to have it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:52   just some edit then they say that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   know eating things in order to tell what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   happened with the thing you ate is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:59   it's awful but it's hilarious so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01   because it's not like you're restricted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   just food no no it's crazy it's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:07   alright so yeah it's just and I did some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   reading like I said the new mutants i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   recently went through and reread I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13   should do that sometime I ready to do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:14   reread 1602 video game in which I like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:18   lot i never read that serious oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   good stick with that don't read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   sequel it's good no I read the sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:22   and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:23   pretty sorry but 16 1602 is very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   reward you for having a lot of Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:28   and knowledge it's like my it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:29   neil gaiman love letter to the Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   Universe put in this hilarious context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:34   of the traditional hydration and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:37   it is very well done and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   self-contained it's beautiful and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   not gonna just wonderful but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:44   some plot twists in it that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:45   fantastic as well as some fake out plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:48   twists that are very amusing so i highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:51   recommend it is great it's neil gaiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:54   playing with those Marvel characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:55   a very constrained style you read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   you know read the hardcover read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:58   trade and that's the story and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   all you have is really respectful the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   history of the characters of that being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:03   overly differential yeah nice yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   think it sounds great i'm gonna go home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   and read that that's it's a it's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   one so i reread that the other the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   night and had a blast with ya all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:15   I think we've done enough damage for one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   comma club but we will be back we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   going to do an episode of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   incomparable pretty soon about watchmen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   we're going to talk about the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:24   comic and what it means to us we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   probably won't beat the movie too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:29   because that would be a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   podcast where we beat the movie to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:32   and we'll talk about the sequel's or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   prequels or whatever DC is doing next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   watchman they watch the baby's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   come and worship work baby roshan baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   night out who knows what they could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   doing but until then I want to thank my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:48   fellow members of the comic book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:49   jason reitman thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   thanks for sharing the love and Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   Schmeisser thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   it was a delight to have you until next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:59   time on the incomparable podcast on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:00   Jason's no thanks for listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:16   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaelDo4/3496">TS</a>]