The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 78 [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► februari 2012 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► I'm Jason smell your host and it's time [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► for another edition of our comic book [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► club and this love is in the air can you [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► feel like you smell it does love have a [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► smell if it does I hope you can smell it [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► love is in the air it's a that time of [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► year valentines day coming around and [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► who better to talk about love and [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► relationships and things about the human [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► heart than the members of our comic book [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► club because nothing says love like the [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► comic books onra so joining me here are [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► two very loving people to their own [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► spouses and not to each other around [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► that came out wrong jason reitman hi [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► Jason [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► hello thanks for being here thanks for [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► having me and Lisa Schmeisser hello [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► attention comic book readers this [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► podcast contains spoilers for many [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► different comic book series so if you're [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► afraid that we're going to ruin let's [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► say the plot of invincible or many other [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► comics like I'm about to spoil the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► people on the podcast so this is why I'm [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► warning you now go to the incomparable [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► calm and look at the show notes for this [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► episode and we will list everything that [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► we're spoiling and if you are afraid you [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► can just not listen but we think you'll [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► like it if you do listen [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► alright with that out of the way yes our [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► topic today and the comic book club is [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► abroad one instead of talking about one [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► book or one series we're going to talk [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► about comic book romance you know [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► interesting it suffers from a lot of the [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► same issues as comic book story telling [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► in general you have long running series [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► you have long-running relationships you [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► have relationships that come and go in [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► various combinations something we were [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► just saying before we started recording [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► is Jason you mentioned it's actually [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► kinda hard to find a role model relation [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► reasonable relationships real reasonable [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► realistic positive relationships and [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► comics relatable couples yeah right yeah [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► it'sit's it is and if you go back a well [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► we just want to jump right into it that [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► probably the poster child of of bad [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► relationships with a clear example how [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► this Superman injury also i was [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► considered that was like a clip like a [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► close number two but i will get a [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► daredevil with everybody order double [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► with Elektra your double with everybody [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► yeah I don't think it actually started [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► with Elektra he you know fell in love [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► with this woman turns out she was deadly [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► assassin happens they thought they loved [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► I mean that part's pretty close to real [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► relationships and died and she's not [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► directed ya came back tied but that you [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► know some often happens in the Marvel [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► Universe it done oh yeah and it turns [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► out uh Daredevils an interesting [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► character when he's suffering so having [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► him fall in love and then killing his [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► woman repeatedly I made yeah good sales [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► and good stories good drama [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► sure so they then [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► again with Karen page which was like the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► next girlfriend and but with her she [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► became a drug addict / pornstar then [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► maybe what you got the HIV I was one of [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► them got HIV in there too wasn't enough [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► for her merely to be constantly [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► imperiled by his roster of enemy she [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► also got an incurable virus and I can't [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► remember which one right i don't think [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► it was Karen page [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► although she was a porn star of course [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► for the drug money before she was killed [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► and I was doing the born-again his [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► storyline which was also by Frank Miller [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► and the other hand is not you go to for [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► your functional comic-book romantic and [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► then from there there was a typhoid mary [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► who ended up being a bad guy and then [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► there was the last one they marry [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► daredevil off to another blind woman [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► could do charitable blind [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► yeah Mia mhm can't remember her last [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► name and her one of his enemies drove [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► her insane and she had to go into an [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► insane asylum like completely catatonic [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► so the unlucky in love daredevil right [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► all or all of these women are unlucky [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► just cannot marry or date him or he's [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► just bad news [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► yeah it's like Scott summer you never [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► ever date Scott Summers customers [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► Cyclops from the x-men ya series of you [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► wasn't lonely eight telepaths for people [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► who resembled telepathy previously [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► learned a lot of the odd thing about GM [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► soon as Jean Grey who was Phoenix and [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► then she died and that was very sad then [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► there's apple and a red and they went i [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► wrote that down and they went like a [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► good ten issues before bringing back a [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► duplicate of jean grey mantle and dryer [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► right which like guys can again this is [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► a recurring theme canna comic book [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► industry show any restraint and telling [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► a story in leaving things alone for a [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► little while the answer is no you know [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► if they can wait a year if you're lucky [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► they'll win right Jean Grey was left [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► dead for a significant amount of time [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► right but the Madeleine prior thing [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► happened right almost instantaneously [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► yeah comparatively speaking out and they [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► got married had a baby and then gene [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► comes back from the dead and he totally [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► dismantling it it like that and whereas [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► gone yet completely nevermind the fact [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that he had a family and children with [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► her it was oh my wife is back from the [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► dead have fun clone of my wife who is [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► actually I can't remember the plot to [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► permutations one of them is that in this [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► cast on the floor of the sea that brings [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► us to the inferno store [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► aligned they would you can get nicely [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► collected now on amazon or your local [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► comic store where it was revealed that [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► Madeline prior was a clone done guys mr. [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► sinister yes the brilliantly tire titled [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► mr. sinister and learn and then she went [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► on certain mrs. sinister named their [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► child they didn't really know what was [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► gonna happen to him it turns out he was [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► going to leave to life neighbor hippies [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► and we're like he'll find his own path [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► exactly you'll find him so mr. [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► technically his first name he you know [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► they were inspired by mr. mr. the band [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► mister mister sinister you right now the [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► wow it i had a conversation actually [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► with his broken cleanse and learn to fly [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► well it's really complicated [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► relationships i think that's what we've [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► learned yeah read it happens a lot [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► because they had that whole scroll thing [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► with Hawkeye and his dead wife [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► Mockingbird whom he thought came back [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► from the dead and turned out she was [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► really scroll an undercover scrolling [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► all right Scott with anyone came we [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► didn't even talk to Scott Summers ended [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► up with the gonna ask the white queen [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► right who was bad but it was good [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► it's still hanging with with gene [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► because he was telepathically cheating [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► on gene with emma frost that's what [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► again ok so tell me one out there beware [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► of telepathy and clones complicated [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► relationship knows why he's telepathic [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► women date Scott Summers because if you [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► can read his mind you know what he's [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► thinking and you know it's not going to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► end well he's very complex and they [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► really enjoy that like a rogue yeah [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► are there speaking of whom is the rogue [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► and gambit capo it yet and I like all [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► three of us of simultaneously roll our [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► eyes so that one can truly it's it's so [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► here's the thing about these did the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► these couples come and go and some of [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► them keep coming back like like like [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► Scott gene but a lot of them are you [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► know it is the soap opera thing which I [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► said our earlier before we started the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► comic books are I've said this before [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► their soap operas they are continuing [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► stories in the same minute soap operas [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► are and stable relationships generally [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► not entirely but generally are not like [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► to buy that kind of drama because they [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► want to keep pairing people off and [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► breaking them up and having affairs and [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► all this kind of drama and so you've got [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► a few relationships that seemed like [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► more like bedrock [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► well right now we're just talking about [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► the mainstream publishers marvel in DC [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► what I've noticed in my reading is [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► nowhere near as fast as Jason so this is [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► a tremendous caveat is what I've noticed [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► this in smaller imprints or imprints [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► that aren't supporting the types and [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► flight sonra is you're more likely to [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► find a relationship that doesn't have [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► all the storm and drawn of of a high [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► school dating Club well but there's [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► realism injected into that bad [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► definitely more heightened superhero [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► comics relationship maybe don't although [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► there are some stable ish relationships [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► or have been yeah [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► in the superhero comics there they're [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► the exception i think more than i would [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► have to go out there for the the big [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► elephant around all of this is that a [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► lot of that superhero stuff is just [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► poorly written [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► yeah and the idea of if you take [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► somebody's girlfriend or take the main [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► characters significant other and torture [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► that's just easy drama women in [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► refrigerators women referring to women [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► refrigerator problem it's it's angry [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► baby are easy drama and if you're a [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► mediocre writer [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► it's like putting a guy in a Nazi pseudo [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► bad guy you know it's not this is what [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► they did with the green with the green [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► arrow Black Canary wedding is and this [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► made me furious because i was a huge [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► huge birds of prey fan and they had done [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► a really fantastic job over the course [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► of birds of prey Gail Simone done this [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► wonderful job of rehabbing the Black [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► Canary character and turning her into [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► somebody who is a plausible leader in [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► battle and a plausible leader of people [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► in the Justice League and she goes to [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► Mary Oliver Queen and I think one of the [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► last Simone issues are one of the first [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► I want the Adventist I'm not sure [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► anyway there's there's one issue [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► birds-of-prey were friends basically [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► stage an intervention with Dinah you and [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► this guy have a really really bad [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► history are you sure you want to get [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► into this and she just blows them off [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► and then you go into the Judd Winick [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► scripted wedding where it turns out that [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► she doesn't marry green arrow she [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► marries his she marries a bad cough a [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► clone [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► no more or less it's a bad guy who [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► morphs into green arrow and tries to [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► kill her on the honeymoon night it [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► happened it's and then what you're going [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► to do the divorce rate is very high and [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► i miss you [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Marvel and peep about that because i [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► thought you know you've got almost 30 [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► years of history with these two [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► characters why would you [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► is it really worth of that this the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► temporary spike in sales 22 [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► spike this on the wedding night it it [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► kind of speaks to this real adolescent [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► fear of all my god relationships oh my [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► god what did she ask me to do the dishes [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► so okay that is a perfect segue into [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► into the the accident I wanted to grind [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► in this podcast which is that some at [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► some point after about I think 15 years [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► of spider-man and he and he had his [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► girlfriend Gwen Stacy who was killed [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► which i think is the exception that [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► proves the rule right you can come up [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► with a few examples of of deaths that [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► were really shocking and basically [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► basically permanent and she's with his [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► girlfriend death in the Marvel Universe [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► right where the girlfriend that in up [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► yeah with a girlfriend in jeopardy was [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► done well and not cheaply but it is the [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► equivalent pretty shocking [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► yeah but uh but then so it after about [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► 15 years maybe or 20 years of the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► existence of spider-man he's got his [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► longtime girlfriend Mary Jane Watson and [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► there's a that they are they get married [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and there's a whole event where they get [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► married in the comic strip and they get [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► married in the comic book and they do a [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► special issue and all that and what's [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► interesting about it is this is an [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► attempt to fundamentally change Peter [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► Parker from being this kind of kid who's [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► who's on the outs to being this young [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► adult who's struggling now he has to [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► struggle with his adult relationships [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► and try to have a job and have a wife [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► and have a family with being spider-man [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► so it's different but it's not it's not [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► it's different in the details but not [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► necessarily in the indie / she thinks [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► that goes for decades for decades and at [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► some point to reason that I thought of [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► this one leads to mention this is that [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► at some point the editor-in-chief Marvel [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► Comics said i don't think people want to [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► have spider-man be married he'd been [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► married i think at that point almost as [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► long as he's not been married before [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► that it was at the at over 20 haha [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► alright so but they're like oh kids can [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► identify with that we want to make him [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► single again and and so the only [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► forgetting how many adults read and so [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► they take this bedrock promising and and [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► and they do it plus i got ultimate [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► spider-man which they could you know [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► which is that old old Peter Parker kind [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► of storytelling they so they they been [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► badly execute this thing where there's a [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► deal with the devil made and they were [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► there like retro actively time bubbled [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► into not being married right count all [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► the divorce now you have to have a deal [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► with that divorce is too much of a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► bummer [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► yeah i'm going to make it that they were [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► never married but what's interesting to [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► me about that is not mean we could and [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► it's been hard on at length about how [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► poorly that was executed and it was [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► really reads like somebody sent a memo [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► joe quesada send a memo saying do this [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► and then they did it and there was no [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► real reason story reason given [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► I I don't want to talk about that as [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► much as I want to talk about the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► underlying motivation which was we have [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► a character who is in a stable [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► relatively I mean yes they're clone [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► sagas and she goes to the west coast for [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► modeling career and all that but [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► basically they were married for 20 years [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► in real-world time and somebody in a [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► position of authority said people don't [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► want to see that we don't want a stable [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► relationship with our character he's not [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► as interesting with a relationship that [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► the last we want to get rid of that and [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► i think the the thing that proves that's [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► not the case if you look at the get in [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► trade paperback again now the Cravens [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► last hunt which was the first storyline [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► that happened right after Peter Parker's [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► marriage to mary jane it was about a [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► long time villain Kraven the hunter [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► kidnap spider-man drugs him buries him [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► and then takes his identity dresses up [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► as spider-man and then goes and beats [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► one of spider-man's other villains that [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► spider-man has never beaten I think the [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► vermin or something remember correctly [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► and then spider-man wakes up after being [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► unconscious for two weeks to realize [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► that craving has now taken his identity [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► is doing this thing and all of the drama [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► from the story came from the fact of [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► he's just he's a newlywed his wife you [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► know what happened to her [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► I've been gone all of the emotions and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► angst around like wanting to protect his [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► family and her being scared by the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► spider-man character that's out there [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► but is not her husband and what's [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► happened to my husband like huge amounts [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► of drama and amazing heart-wrenching [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► story and then at the end of it once [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► Peter Parker comes back and confronts [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► Craven he kills himself because his [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► whole thing was beating spider-man and [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► by taking his identity and being as [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► villain he has now become better than [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► spider-man doesn't need to fight him [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► anymore he doesn't need he is pretty [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► much just on with his life and kills me [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► often it's actually been another [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► meaningful deaths that I think is [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► carried on comics have never bought [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► Craven back the drama of that story came [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► from the his relationship with his wife [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► yeah it was one that was right after the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► marriage and I think when writers today [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► talk about married Peter Parker is not [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► as interesting his teenage high school [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► Peter Parker first like you pointed out [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► they have ultimate spider-man they could [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► tell those stories too and then the [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► other thing is they're just lousy [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► writers yeah and and maybe they're [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► they're feeling is that their readers [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► would rather have Peter have a bunch ago [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► he's bunch he's juggling a bunch of [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► girlfriends which is i would argue [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► counter to the whole idea that character [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► is he's not he was never successful with [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► her what you know at least LOL broadly [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► layer and now Sam it's better when he's [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► done OK and the reboot and the rebooting [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► of of of spider-man or the the [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► retroactive debt deal with the devil [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► thing they've turned him into like oh [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► he's got all these girls who are [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► interested in what's going to do and [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► it's like what ever you want to get [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► spine i guess that was their idea of a [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► more romantic subplot that people would [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► appeal to be I wonder if part of that [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► it's very very easy to script beginnings [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► of relationships it's very very easy to [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► script endings and relationships and a [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► lot of these endings from about four [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► profoundly stupid reasons and what I [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► wonder is if part of this is a [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► subconscious attempt to mimic the [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► experiences that a high school audience [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► or even a college audience is having as [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► they embark on their romantic life [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► because there's so much drama instrument [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► ring when you started dating in high [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► school every to the like me to not like [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► me with their friends don't like me so [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► on and so forth and and by the time in [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► your mid-twenties like you have learned [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► to filter that out this is suggesting [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► arrested development on a part of the [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► core of the creators or their assumption [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► about where there's something about the [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► readers because i would argue that if [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► you do it well you could show the drama [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► that's inherent in having a 20-plus your [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► relationship and trying to mediate your [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► investment that relationship and those [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► people against the demands that outside [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► life has for you so tom defalco and Ron [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► friends did a long-running and now dead [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► series called spider-girl which was [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► about Peter Parker and Mary Jane [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► Watson's daughter [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► who had spider powers and it's it's [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► enjoyable for a lot of different reasons [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and as somebody who has a daughter that [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► died i loved having a strong female [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► superhero character and she's she's [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► going through exactly what this classic [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► Spiderman stories were except it's a [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► woman instead of a man or a girl instead [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► of a boy but one of the interesting [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► things about that book is that it [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► depicts a decades-long marriage between [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► Peter and Mary Jane and he's retired [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► from being spider-man because one of his [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► enemies like he lost a leg in a battle [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► and so he's got a prosthetic leg and [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► that breed Richards built for him and he [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► you know but it's and they've got and [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► got a marriage is having a second second [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► kid and and and made Parker the daughter [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► is struggling with her powers and it's [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► there's lots of great drama there too [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► and it shows me that that you know it [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► this should be no surprise that you know [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► life doesn't end when you get married [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► you get its different industry more [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► complicated one of what a nice man yeah [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► one of my favorite me some reason is a [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► curtain people is a curfew CX tournament [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► series on I got kidney Clark Kent who [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► basically become Superman and I good [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► well it's no it's an ordinary kid and I [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► can't remember the title of it up in the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► air maybe it's killing me because I can [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► see the covers and the artist beautiful [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► and basically the for many that the four [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► books did birth right now okay now but [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► but though the whole arc of the series [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► is first the first book he's meeting his [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► powers the second book he's meeting lois [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► lane for the first time actually her [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► name is Louis Louis chowdhury because [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► she is absolute is a secret identity [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► yes I believe it is Superman secret [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► identity and it's fantastic because [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► basically the whole arc is him trying to [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► balance having superpowers and and doing [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► good in the world against the fact that [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► he very much loves his wife Lois and he [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► loves his twin girls and the last book [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► is it basically is is the fruits of this [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► 30-odd your marriage he has and discover [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► that his girls independent superpowers [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► as well and how he mediates the worry he [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► has for having superpower children and [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► and his wife at some point is like what [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► well now you know what I've been feeling [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► for the last however many years and it's [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► just this beautiful little panel because [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► it's it packs so much history and and [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► emotion into one tiny exchange and it's [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► one of the most positive depictions of [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► the premise that you can be a superhero [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► and still have a healthy robust [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► functional romantic life thank God it [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► was an elseworlds tale that if it yeah [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► that's as we used to call it an [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► imaginary story i like those real [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► stories also exist so Lois and Clark are [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► one of those bedrock relationships that [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► that don't mean they do come and go [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► occasionally but they're mostly there i [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► think they've got married several times [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► that's right well yes like Phyllis [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► Diller in that way [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► Reed Richards at Reed Richards and Sue [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► Storm Richards are another example and [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► there's really a bedrock relationship [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► marriage that's that going aside from [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► that time when she ran off with her [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► brother and he got an army of [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► super-powered criminals to hunt them [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► well you know within a few exceptions [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► they have essentially been they've had [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► some spat ya right they separate and has [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► their different writers but they've also [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► had but sadly and start married they [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► started as a boyfriend/girlfriend and [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► then they got married when they started [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► as anything hit on him is like a 40 year [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► old guy he ages the other direction but [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► it was the 60s and they have kids right [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► which is they have 18 children now for [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► four decades has got everything time [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► there was Franklin Ellery yeah and they [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► had we in a great during a John Burns [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► run which is considered I think the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► second greatest run after Stanley in be [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► great I they had a miscarriage and she [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► was pregnant for many many many issues [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► know how long exactly it was and she [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► went into labor and read had be fighting [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► Doctor Octopus to coral as you did he do [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► and during it all she's nobody said this [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► wasn't going to be complicated but she's [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► in the hospital i dealing with this is [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► he's trying to get back to his wife and [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► by the time he does [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► she's already miscarried or telescope [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► Bergen and it's just have really really [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► touching scene and again drama that you [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► can have with mature relationships and [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► and other things and that's the fact [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► they have two kids [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► yeah and who only occasionally I i was [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► just reading the mark waid fantastic [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► four runs [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► the early two thousands and in that [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► Franklin was literally sent to hell yeah [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► that's right to be tortured for a little [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► while and that caused some concern if we [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► could get an idea how you can talk to [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► you can talk to Giuliana Rasputin about [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► that making billion on greater actualize [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► why stop there why stop treating X [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► Factor because I do like Peter David is [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► a writer and I was a big fan of that I [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► was a big fan of the series because i [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► think the way just X Factor know it was [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► the I think the first iteration where [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► matt mattox is running the detective [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► agencies or no that's a recent one okay [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► yeah alright that's what we're talking [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► about that's the one that basically came [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► in pops into existence in the last five [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► years or so and one of the plots has [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► been getting really drunk in his clothes [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► bedding all of the women on the team and [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► one of them [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► banshees daughter whose name is eluding [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► me at the siren [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► thank you she gets pregnant and so she [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► and Max become a couple carries the baby [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► to term and the first time he holds the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► baby it turns out that she was carrying [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► a club she was impregnated by a clone so [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► according to the laws of the Marvel [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► Universe the baby is but a clone and so [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► he reabsorbs the baby [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► yeah gross yeah you and that was [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► actually the moment where i put down the [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► book and said I'm done I'm out you know [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► because it well because all they did [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► after that was no she's angry and oh [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► there's there's drama attention and [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► so-and-so for you you're my baby [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► yeah you know you could talk about the [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► weather on a couple stays together [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► through this kind of wrenching loss and [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► instead it's like a drunken jerky used [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► to clone to impregnate me which is just [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► and telepaths yeah stay we make it hard [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► to have a relationship right us that [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► we're learning the other thing I'm also [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► learning is besides divorce you could [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► possibly make a deal with the devil [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► yeah you get out of this fifth marriage [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► isn't working or anything it's sort of [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► like Satan's annulment [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► I that could have been the title of the [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► series why was I would have been better [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► i would have been better than one more [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► day so no and and I'm no more understood [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► the point to it may really you know [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► she's an old well we we had that [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► conversation I think just like you know [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► it she's dying to meet I maybe should [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► stay [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► he's not evil afterlife to keep her away [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► from them [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► one of the series I want to bring up [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► which in my mind has the best [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► relationship I've read in comics is a [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► Sandman mystery theatre by matt wagner [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► and steven biko writes it and I can't [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► think of his co-writers name and drawn [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► by guy davis largely all those couple [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► other artists who have helped but that's [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► very set in the nineteen thirties New [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► York the run up to World War two [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► Wesley Dodds come back from China and he [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► does this very pulp fiction character of [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► Sandman and he falls in love with a [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► Diane this last name is going to escape [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► belmont who is the police commissioner's [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► daughter and that migrants Steven [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► seagull seagull kept going to go to call [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► Thank You internet yeah I so the entire [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► underlying thing of the story of the [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► whole run of the series is their [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► relationship and how it starts off in a [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► kind of dating way then gradually they [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► get closer and closer and she's like one [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► of the driving forces in the comic veo [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► it's the cheap is much you know [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► nineteen-thirties appropriate but [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► starting to branch out into that more [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► modern woman and wanting to have a job [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► not being satisfied with the status quo [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► not being satisfied with where women's [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► positions was back then and kind of [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► finding a bond with Wesley and then [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► eventually he let Syrian onto our secret [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► and then at night she starts driving him [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► around and being is sort of partner but [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► it really in the best sense of the word [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► like when marriage is really working i [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► don't i haven't finished the series yet [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► because they only released the eighth [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► trade paperback and I think there should [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► be two more and for some reason they [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► like to leave a couple years between [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► releasing these paperbacks but a their [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► relationship is so amazing and it's done [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► in stark contrast to a lot of the other [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► stories happen to be rolled it around [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► largely around like you know maniacs [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► taking in skinning women and torturing [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► them and some really really brutal stuff [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► so even creates a stronger contrast but [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► it's an amazing realistic [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► partnership between these two characters [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► who follow in in love and he ends up not [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► being able to do what he does without [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► her and it's not done in any kind of [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► like pandering that's a really nice [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► change from the usual i can either to [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► have my Cape life or my love life but I [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► can't have both [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► that seems to be a constant source of [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► dramatic tension see also that writing [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► right and this is completely different [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► and they struggle with it a little but [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► it's more on she's trying to help him [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► and he's there because they're a team [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► because that's really what a real [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► relationship is right it'sit's yeah [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► amazing i think this is why the one [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► superhero relationship that actually [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► well not just one let me backtrack when [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► wildstorm did the storm watch team and [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► they did the authority one of the things [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► they did on storm watch is they they [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► made a rule that if you couple if you if [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► you pair up with a team that you're off [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► the team and their premise was if you if [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► you're we can't count on you being [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► distracted by your feelings for your [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► partner if you're in the middle of a [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► battle [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► so if this is important to you leave and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► seems logical [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► yeah and several people did and then [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► with the authority they have of course [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► the midnight and Apollo who are [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► basically there Batman Superman analog [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► and they are of course a committed [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► long-term couple who's raising Jenny [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► quantum and there's was just as very [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► matter-of-fact yes we're here we're [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► queer where 300 pounds and we'll give [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► you a pass [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► yeah well it's well it's ok it's going [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► but it's also a totally functional [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► relationship there's no drama there's no [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► back and forth [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► nobody gives them static about it and I [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► think that and get beat up [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► exactly and there's a night and Apollo [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► are pretty tough [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► yeah but between that and the other the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► other 1i want to call out in terms of [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► capes is I really like the invincible [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► has been handling it [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► I was gonna buy it has written I've Adam [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► Eve well not just that I was thinking [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► the very beginning when Invincibles moms [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► like so I've been married to an alien [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► invaders yeah along now with and she it [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► takes her a while to recover from that [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► and it's a really realistic thing where [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► she was the comic never lets you forget [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► that she has betrayed down to her core [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► and even though they're they're back [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► together now [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► laughter much of that was that was not [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► an easy thing now he had to change [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► because he betrayed her in a very [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► different way than a normal betrayal [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► what happened and he was a secret plant [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► from evil empire and they shouldn't plan [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► yeah and then she raises his half [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► insects son by another larval queen yeah [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► but it's it's a super awkward [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► what it is but again this is but this is [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► a great job of flushing out her [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► character because it points out that [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► she's like well this child obviously [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► needs a mother and I will do it yeah [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► well it's in it's it's it's a great [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► moment but Invincibles one of those were [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► about it doesn't take that false [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► dichotomy of caper relationship right [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► William what it doesn't set is say [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► there's ways to do both because you know [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the whole point of being a superhero is [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► not that you're this bifurcated person [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► the whole point is that it's just part [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► of who you are and and mark and Eve in [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► that comic are you know not together [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► when we first meet them he's got a [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► regular girlfriend but it's very clear [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► that Eve and Mark are going to be [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► together and he was dating someone else [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► as well yeah it's super here and it's a [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► nice it's a nice progression but once [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► they're together they also she's sort of [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► like becomes his business manager a [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► little bit because he's very busy but [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► she's also got power so they're sort of [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► like they're two superpowers together [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► they can like get paid to catch escaped [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► convicts and clean up messes and things [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► like that so they got a little business [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► going and then he gets sent because it's [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► very cosmic oriented series he gets sent [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► offworld for a period of time and she's [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► pregnant and he doesn't know and that [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► leads to a whole interesting subplot [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► where she's pregnant and did she lose [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► the paper just to have an abortion i [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► don't have not read that far as she does [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► not sorry I'm spoilers [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► well okay I'm gonna get trade by trade I [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► don't think it's really good [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► well the point is now that everyone's it [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► um she doesn't have the baby but she you [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► know she goes through this emotional [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► process and she gains she gains a lot of [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► weight and the way it's not coming off [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► she her body has changed and when Mark [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► comes back [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► there's this initial thought of like oh [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► wow you know settle yourself together [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► right it's like no this is me this is [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► who I am and that's been really great [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► because they're still together [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► there are there [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► you know always strains in the [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► relationship you know diamond giant [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► giant dinosaur supervillains can haven't [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► their effects like clones and telepaths [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► but i like the fact that that Kirkman [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► invincible is trying to have them have [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► these countries fails but they're really [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► that they're really together they're [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► they're a great match and they're not [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► married or anything yet but they're [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► they're really great match who has [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► reason to stick to stick together in [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► these things that happen [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► clones and telepathic dinosaurs don't [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► necessarily get in the way of that which [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► is nice to see so a lot of in the [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► superhero genre a lot of what we've been [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► talking about is a the main protagonist [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► being a male and having a female [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► relationship yeah and exit except for [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► midnight on Apollo but it has been like [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► female lead books or characters who have [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► also had relationships I try to think of [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► Wonder Woman there aren't that many [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► female lead but seriously either one of [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the challenging way I'm rifling through [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► the vertical back catalogue in the [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► reason I say vertigo is it's the one [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► most likely to aim at women right in [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► terms of readership but i can't recall [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► it ya know now I was thinking there's [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► that there was a miniseries called the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► witching which is about three women who [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► were which is obviously Supergirl never [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► had new love interests about girl i [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► guess you could argue that the runaways [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► is sort of a female-led book in the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► sense that it's an ensemble and it's a [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► ensemble with a really healthy gender [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► mix em um that said because it's a book [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► about teenagers and the whole point is [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► they're teenagers with exceptionally [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► complex lives you're not really going to [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► find any good examples of relationship [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► where all I can pull out kitty pryde who [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► has every every adolescent boy in the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► eighties you know left Kitty Pryde and [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► she had adolescent girl needs want to be [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► her [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► well this is the best keep riding pretty [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► nice right so so so she had [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► relationships but I always eating like [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► you know Gotye hated him so that was [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► like I won't repair to the eighties I [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► all my god hate him so much because of [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► course anyway like I was saying they [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► were essentially having non couple yes [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► right right but this is this is one of [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► those samples where at least as I've you [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► didn't diagnose that most people did [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► that they were thinking of it from his [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► perspective I I never thought that that [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► could these relationships were her being [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► paired with people it was who is going [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► to be paired with her [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► and of course that's what I think you [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► referenced earlier of course Peter [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► Parker gets kitty pryde in ultimate [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► ultimate spider-man right which is [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► hilarious and like why did nobody think [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► of it notes because their ages were to [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► have different in the regular Marvel [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► Universe but that's somebody and Peter [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► and and and Kitty specifically where [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► they had this sort of she's young but [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► she loves she's at release a crush on [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► him and he's older and he's trying to [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► hold her arms length but you know India [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► something they're like they would throw [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► you just again I said this is somebody [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► who read this during the eighties you [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► know we go as I traveled the arc from [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► elementary school through high school [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► they would throw you just enough to know [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► there's hope as soon as she gets older [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► oh my gosh one of these days he's gonna [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► notice that she got kidnapped by Caliban [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► yeah the source for a while and then [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► they bring her back she married and then [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► she ran into people's demand and you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► know the later on yeah but it was just [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► all my gosh that was one of the great [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► unconsummated or i should say one of the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► great non-relational joss whedon [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► consummated a boy [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► yeah I don't think I don't acknowledge [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► that that's an alternate universes far [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► as I'm pretty private much integrated I [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► Bendis and ultimate yeah yeah yeah then [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► she ever was that was that was a [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► masterstroke ultimate spider-man the [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► first you know the first edition of [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► ultimate spider-man with Peter Parker [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and mary jane and Gwen Stacy and Kitty [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► Pryde yes you're right that's three [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► pretty he's got a pretty good batting [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► average there if he's got those three [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► women interesting him but all those [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► relationship or different [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► yeah and they were all really good like [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► the mary-jane Peter relationship and [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► ultimate spider-man is way more [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► believable and understandable with [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► detail about who these people are and [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► here they work together why they be [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► invented the Marvel Universe although it [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► was always its independence things he [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► was always treated more as a hapless [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► victim of the relationships I mean they [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► were completely with women driven women [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► dominated and I think it actually goes [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► back to one of the high school [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► well noted that word acumen totally [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► clueless about one of the ethos in all [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► these tights and flights books though [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► which is which is that oh these guys are [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► great at beating the crap out of each [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► other on top of the Empire State [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► Building but oh they're helpless when [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► pepper pops depths tops are dainty [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► little [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► whatever when it's such a human emotions [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► come into play and when they do they [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► don't have the power to just do whatever [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► they want and not everyone is as great [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► and all aspects of their life you know [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► because you're good at your job doesn't [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► mean you're yeah that's what yeah [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► not everyone is that well-rounded yeah [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► that was and and so I was like that [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► about the about that but the it was a [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► stroke of genius to put kitty pryde and [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► Peter Parker's high school [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► well but Kitty Pryde and and Bobby Drake [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► and uh and I storm storm was your agency [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► also super high school [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► yeah it's great i'm sorry that story [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► didn't go on library I wouldn't think [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► that was not really that again i would [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► talk that was pretty yeah I i recently [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► invested all of my ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► trades and now I'm kind of wishing i had [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► i would love to go back I would actually [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► you can borrow my hardcovers marveling [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► at how long can you please do a nun told [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► and untold tales series i don't think [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► I'm smarter arrow high school [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► yeah I don't superhero highest i can't [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► remember the name of the title that came [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► out of years ago I think it was a I [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► think it was a wild storm title i know [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► it starts than I but it was basically [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► about a superhero high school [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► um and what I remember is they tried to [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► do what basically amounted to hyper text [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► on the page where you have the comics [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► and then you'd have all of these little [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► back 20 blurbs that were call-outs and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► imposed it's gonna drive me crazy [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► because I can you can see the futuristic [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► font they used in the covers it was like [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► a 13 issue series i want to say back [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► circuit 2004-2005 where they basically [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► did a superhero high school and the idea [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► was it would be even worse than regular [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► high school [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► sure well because in addition to the [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► usual petty jealousies and so on and so [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► forth [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► you had people who would not hesitate to [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► nuke each other because they have the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► power to do so or people who turn each [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► other into bats or what have you ever in [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► teenagers show lousy restraint yeah and [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► that was basically the premise was these [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► people did terrible things to each other [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► because they have poor impulse control [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► Sam so if you had to pick one favorite [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► comic-book relationship from your your [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► comic book reading but what would it be [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► will be the one that you would pick as [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► long as we already talked about its the [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► the Diane belmont Wesley Dodds Sam and [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► mystery theater i would read that over [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► and over for the relationship [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► all right Lisa [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► see now I want to read that too um [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► that's good that's part of why we're [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► I kind of want to divide it into tights [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► vs non tights sure that I'm one of the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► things i noticed we focus a lot of [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► superheroes we haven't really talked [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► about the non-superhero a lot of the non [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► superhero genre is just like literature [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► in that it's got a lot of realism and [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► more of a event where I was going to [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► mention the walking dead which is not [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► super realistic in the zombies but then [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► christman but there's some really and [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► there's a marriage and there's some [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► issues and some of them are but it's [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► licensed marriage but it right but this [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► is a story right bullet to that is it [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► but it's a story and and and it doesn't [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► seem mean I the relationships in non [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► superhero comics see more or less i [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► would think about as well handled as [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► your average relationship and other [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► works which is some of them are good and [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► some of them are bad [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► yeah because i was gonna say free i love [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► the book scalp for example but it drives [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► me nuts but they do with the [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► relationships and that which is to say [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► horrible horrible dramatic drawn-out [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► things um I have a soft spot for the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► dignity is Ralph ensued knee because [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► they were that ended poorly [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► well yes and no yes and no because [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► granted her brutal rape and murder was [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► what was a challenge on it was nice [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► quality their own horn but we're all [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► laughing our terrible terrible way that [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► how horrible that it was out of left [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► field a bright because they take this [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► character she and she and route soon [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► Ralph had this [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► it was almost like Nick and Nora Charles [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► we're basically these globe-trotting [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► wisecracking mystery-solving people and [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► oh yes he happens to be elastic men and [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► so you had this solid functional [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► marriage and I realized the reason they [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► decided to these terrible things to [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► Sydney was it was supposed to shock you [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► to your core that this beloved and [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► stable member of the DC universe was so [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► horribly violated [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► however um first of all people were [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► really taken aback that it was sued me [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► and not in the MS Reed more type away [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► but run it out to you monsters [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► however it ends with Ralph dying too and [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► they're reunited and now they're solving [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► crimes in the afterlife and so I like [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► that they got back together I think [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► that's sweet afterlife crimes right [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► there wasn't any ghosts detectives know [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► the ghost times now and I like that [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► they're back together and back to being [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► there Bantry old self [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► um I wanted to complain about the [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► relationships on fables but we've I [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► think we've passed that on [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► but if you ever if you wanted to read [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► what are you saying fairytale [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► relationships don't go well Tucker don't [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► live happily ever after [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► no they there is a Brahma killer well no [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► I actually a lot of complaints about the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► snow white baby relationship because [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► that one is going entirely too well [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► considering the tremendous amounts of [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► baggage they bring to the relationship [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and the fact that he got her pregnant [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► when she was out of her mind with [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► hallucinations or something um wasn't he [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► out of his mind [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► she was the one who know because he [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► because I believe that I they may have [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► both been idea why but it wasn't long is [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► a wolf [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► yeah and the and the Northland also [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► yeah we can do but plans telepaths and I [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► mean if you were old but if you really [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► if you're really craving an up-and-down [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► type of drama with them with the romance [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► and the riding off into the sunset [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► I know you don't care for the book but [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► preacher is actually a great romantic [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► story about you know there's a definite [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► are really really it is it is they work [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► out their differences in every couple [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► has them they work out their [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► communications issues and they end up [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► having each other's back and they ride [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► off into the sunset on the horse [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► literally so it's bonus points for that [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► it's a surprisingly sweet story [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► underneath the gratuitous you know men [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► who have sex with sausages and angry god [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► and while and backwards Nazis and and [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► all of that so of course my favorite [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► comic-book relationship is obviously [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► commander and marionette in the [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► Micronauts know it took us four now that [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► I'm not a lot of love in the micro [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► universe not yet that's not true that's [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► not true [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► Kroy and his girlfriend who can't who [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► has is having his baby but can't be with [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► him because he's banished from his [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► people for betraying them even though he [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► saves them bug and his girl oh there's [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► lots of romance in my ovaries just too [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► small to see budgets back in the Marvel [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► Universe I guess back in the marvel [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► universe because they own the rights to [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► bug they just don't know it to most of [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► the other characters so that will make [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► things awkward because like I would tell [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► you more about my friends behind that [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► allowed taking them tell them but there [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► any in obscure and circumscribed ways no [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► i trade my turn maybe [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► I'd like any pride is probably the the [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► touchstone for me even though I always [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► hated Colossus I always thought that was [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► the that was that was the interpersonal [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► kind of relationship that I that I [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► definitely follow when I was a kid and [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► big and hard and yes and that's why i [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► hate him so much protected he watched [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► out for her battle and and yes you have [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► to rely on our special and all my guess [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► he did [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► oh I hated him so much and although [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► although although the ultimate [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► spider-man i think in terms of modern [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► relationships I I Bendis one of the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► advantages of having that decompression [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► and all that dialogue is that he [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► actually got to build up some [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► interesting interpersonal relationships [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► in with between especially Peter and [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► Mary Jane I'd agree with that yeah I [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► would too [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► I like brian michael bendis is a writer [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► a lot yeah well i mean i was gonna I was [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► gonna take the last few minutes to talk [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► about what are you reading and I was [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► going to bring up the new ultimate [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► spider-man which as much as i railed [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► against what they did to Peter Parker in [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► the death of Spiderman arc with the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► obviously and painfully named death of [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► Spiderman arc we're in which they big [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► surprise kill spider-man in the new [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► sorry Lisa I'm spoiling everything today [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► in the new amazing spider or ultimate [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► spider-man series it's great because [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► it's all the good things about dentists [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► except now the kid is not even younger [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► he's got some different family dynamics [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► but he too was bitten by a genetically [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► altered Norman Osborn corporation spider [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► and his powers are slightly different [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► and he interacts with the ultimate sand [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► and with Gwen Stacy at one point and [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► basically gets read the riot act about [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► if you're going to be spider-man you [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► gotta understand that you're in his [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► shadow and you gotta you gotta you know [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► you gotta follow his example and all [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► that and it's actually don't dishonor [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► this it it's amazing how I again I don't [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► like how they ended it because i felt [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► like it was we're done with this let's [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► just let's just wrap this up but the new [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► series is great for all the reasons the [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► old series was great which is really its [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► Bendis and dealing with like kids trying [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► to struggle with their their [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► relationship to the world which is great [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► material and so the Miles Morales the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► new spider-man is it's a pretty easy [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► turning out to be a pretty good [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► character and I think it was genius [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► turning Peter Parker into Uncle Ben yeah [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► oh no that's exactly it he's gotta live [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► up because Peter Parker's whole [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► watchword [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► was with great power comes great [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► responsibility and now now miles has to [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► live up to Peter's example it's amazing [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► so yeah they did a good job [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► there's there's a chilling that what [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► really got me on their side is there's a [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► chilling a couple of issues where he has [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► to interact with spider Ultimate Spider [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► Woman with who is a female clone of [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► Peter Parker so she has all the memories [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► of Peter Parker up to about you know two [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► years right in which four people on the [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► listing who haven't read those ultimate [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► spider-man things the jessica through [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► yeah whoo and the ultimate universities [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► as you said a female Peter Parker yeah [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► that brings up so many interesting story [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► things pretty well she's kissing Johnny [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► store oh yeah and you know Anna and [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► weird and Ben just deals with it yeah [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► like so do you like really well done [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► you like boys now and she's like I don't [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► maybe but i also remember loving Mary [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► Jane so I don't really know it's [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► fascinating but she has to interact with [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► miles and its really weird for both of [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► them because peter is dead and he's now [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► sort of spider-man and she's mad about [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► that but it because she is sort of Peter [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► which means she can also kind of be the [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► representative of him to the new guy [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► it's it's great i am so so Brian Bendis [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► you know III he does really good work i [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► gotta say I'm ivory every time he loses [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► me he gets me back right i love the flip [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► side o moon night the new series by [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► business as I've read the first seven [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► eight issues and that's when there were [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► a couple of shit is that was bad i've [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► been trying you know I've really trying [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► because i like the moon I character and [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► maybe I'm missing something I don't [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► it's not resonating I don't get it [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► there's nothing [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► yeah interesting there tonight always [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► seemed like a better idea than an [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► execution yeah you should [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► yeah because i read the whole big [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► mansion built if its run and it was has [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► none of that forced air and good that we [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► should do it will sink its podcast would [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► be cool if he dumped by my darling for [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► middle that's a good idea i went back [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► and read my new mutants [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► why would that go visit my new mutants [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► run recently and we'll think of its does [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► a huge shark [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► yeah and i remember reading it as a [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► fourteen-year-old and just struggling to [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► to understand the art and what am I [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► seeing exactly know and it was pretty [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► radical more [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► lock was like we're straddling this [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► abstract black with a pair blah [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► yeah and easy against the 49ers I can [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► really struggling to try to figure out [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► the art and try to make sense of it and [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► going back now and looking at its really [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► striking to see how he's influenced a [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► lot of visual conventions and in the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► interviewing years so you know we should [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► we should definitely talk about how he's [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► shaped storytelling or if you have to [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► end if it was for the better or not [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► that's a great idea anyway so I didn't [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► know we're also just was gonna revisit [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► watchman now that we've uh that's [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► another podcast with now that they've [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► announced that they're watch men [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► prequels coming out there's Kennedy [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► there's there's that there is too much [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► better do some heard that I thought I [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► watch him Saturday morning cartoon yes [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► watching babies the other i wanted to [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► mention a few of the other things i'm [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► reading and then and then you guys [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► should say if there are things that you [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► are reading and rereading i just read [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► the first issue of Winter Soldier which [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► is Ed Brubaker doing a non going series [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► about Bucky who is the winter soldier [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► and he's you know from the pages of [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► Captain America and I feel like I'll off [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► I'm gonna follow Brubaker it because I [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► loved what he did with that character [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► and that whole story arc where he has to [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► be deprogrammed from being a Soviet [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► assassin and then he has to be captain [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► america when Captain America is dead and [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► now he is trying to sort of like faked [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► his own death and he and the Black Widow [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► are doing secret missions and Brubaker's [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► such a good writer and I love what he's [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► done with Captain America that's like [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► I'm on the train for winter soldier [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► that's that's such a great new Karen new [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► Marvel character not new but yet new I'm [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and I'm i like the first issue of that [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► so i'm reading that red POC is doing [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► astonishing x-men now and I've left i've [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► liked the first two issues that he's [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► done because it's essentially read I [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► don't know if he's going to stick with [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► this but it's essentially remaking [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► exiles which I liked which was the [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► author your file alternate universe [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► x-men where they just plot plot [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► characters from vary from alternate [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► different parallel universes yeah it was [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► really sort of like this is that [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► leiter's that old TVs right saddle with [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► the x-men but with your memory [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► over or very soon be like spot aspergers [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► spider-man 2099 the interest is lots and [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► lots of this crazy like mix-and-match [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► well well astonishing what park is doing [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► is he has like a storm i think it comes [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► to Cyclops and says I need your help and [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► she's got her Mohawk instead of her [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► current hair or do and he goes with her [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► and it turns out that that's not his [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► storm and she's she's basically plucked [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► him because they keep stealing x-men [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► from other universes in order to to this [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► horrible like dystopian universe where [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► they're using them as power sources and [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► then there's like an alternate Wolverine [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► there and they break out of the jail and [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► it's it's it's cool because it i really [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► loved exiles I thought that was a great [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► crazy idea to show to make all these [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► various alternate characters team up and [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► that's what great park is doing with [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► astonishing so i'm i'm kinda on board [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► for that I don't know whether that's [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► going to be the premise of the title at [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► all or whether it's just a story arc but [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► I'm liking it so that's what I talked me [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► into it that's what i'm reading now and [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► i read a book called fenman which is a [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► comic book biography of the physicist [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► Richard Feynman women who might drink [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► Jim ottaviani and leland myrick are [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► going to my amazon lists are the are the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► writer and artist [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► fine then I guess Richard find that the [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► who worked on the Manhattan Project and [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► famously led the Challenger [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► investigation board after the special [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► challenger incident and it was pretty [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► cool that was my wife got at the library [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and brought it home for me and biography [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► as comic book and it uses his words from [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► his lectures and his writing to form a [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► story of his life in comic form and it's [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► a it's pretty cool so that's another [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that's what i'm reading Jason what are [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► you reading [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► hi as so right now I'm reading a lot of [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► the new kirby verse titles that dynamite [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► is publishing so these are Jack Kirby's [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► later creations the ones that he kept [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► yes Silverstar capital victory bombast [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► there's a whole series of they were [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► published by tops in the late nineties [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► or the early nineties he died in the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► mid-nineties and then things like the [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► the galaxy hunters are [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► at Marvel had published a series just [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► recently on these Kirby claytor Kirby [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► creation so dynamite has them all right [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► now and they've put them together in one [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► universe it's written by Mark way to [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► definitely knows you see it was me away [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► yeah we've done resident here a really [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► good writer yeah I think about a lot of [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► kirby creations is there fairly insane [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► and out there and just on bass tara lynn [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► and so much energy and you take all of [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► them and put them into one look and act [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► and even it's like you feeling every [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► issue they're introducing another 36 [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► characters your and concepts and like [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► ancient Mayan gods and base that's [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► people are gonna go there reading city [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► go all the way then there's like a [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► couple of human characters who are in [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► the midst of all this and trying to [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► puzzle it out you're just like whoa [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► where are they going to go next and it's [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► just high energy Alex Ross is doing the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► the covers and some of the layouts and [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Mark great weight is writing it so its [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► high-quality stuff just a million insane [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► ideas so it's just basically this whole [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► untapped Kirby sandbox and tryna crazy [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► character designs and try to actually [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► make it i hope coherent doesn't seem [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► cold here right now but they're only [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► like three or four issues in and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► everyone i get there is another 36 [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► characters and concepts kind of [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► introducing like whoa where's the [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► struggling notes [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► yeah it may have been a huge disaster [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► but if it is it's going to be a [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► brilliant beautiful mess of a disaster [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► cool that's cool Lisa what are you [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► reading [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► I've been doing a lot of ketchup because [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► this is actually the downside to [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► switching to trade format and away from [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► the flimsies yes I apologize again for [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► spoiling invincible no it's okay is some [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► it takes so long between compilation [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► sometimes that in order to really [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► appreciate what's the new 1i usually [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► have to go back one or two books just to [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► get a good head of steam the ipad [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► somehow putting on the cutting edge on [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► how to happen when i get my iPad i'm [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► probably back to single digits the [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► storage since the issue that's that's [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► not the bugbear for me anyway I'm I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► recently caught up on scalp which is the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► Ryan you are that's taking place in an [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► indication Aaron yes whom i love i think [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► is right is great [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► my only complaint is how he's handling [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► the main romantic relationship because [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► well he's not but some otherwise they're [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► the tension between tribal culture [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► obligation versus the surrounding an [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► encroaching Anglo culture and the [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► question of where your loyalties lie and [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► whose laws are you ultimately bound to [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► follow [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► he's done a great job of exploring those [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► tensions and seeing you know it's a huge [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► gap and seeing how people fall in that [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► gap and how they managed to climb out of [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► it's made for a really good series so [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► far I think they're up to six or seven [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► trades on my brother i sent him the [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► first five with a note saying you have [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► to read these and so I don't have those [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► to lend out anymore but I've been [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► following up [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► um I caught up on fables and i think i'm [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► out after after the most recent I'm [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► still way back in fables it really it [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► didn't go as I love it yeah I'm the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► future is bleak a kick it sounds to me [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► as somebody who hasn't read more than a [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► few issues that there was a really [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► logical kind of endpoint yes there is [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► and then it's not going well i think yet [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► they vanquished the adversary and it [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► could have gotten very interesting after [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► that because obviously this huge power [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► golf word that we're just not used to a [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► decimal used to be but it didn't and you [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► have all these here and you know these [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► fairy tale people who are like okay I [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► can go back to my land and take it over [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► again and you have people who now lives [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► in Atlanta Palestine problem yeah it [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► basically is it basically is and given [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► that the red are used Israel as a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► metaphor for how people should solve war [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► oh yeah huge fan of Israel it comes out [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► his work where we're off [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► Israel is wow yeah yeah huge fan of [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► Israel big basically says we're going to [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► work enough act like the Israelis do and [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► this is how we're going to win the war [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and that's how they do because this is a [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► fantasy and but where it's gotten to now [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► it's there there's all sorts of magical [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► who do and and the witches are planning [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► different coos and now one main [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► character has become the paladin of the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► avatar of Hope which just sounds like [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► like the kind of BS you'd find in a [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► really bad gene roddenberry Syfy series [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► yeah ouch like i said i'm out i read the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► most recent i read the most recent [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► story arc and I thought this is hogwash [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► you again you have other options [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► yeah this is good what is it about their [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► i'm still reading on written which is [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► getting increasingly more complex all i [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► gotta catch up with that [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► yeah I really invited out yeah I'm as [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► mentioned on previous podcast I'm still [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► really i'm still unwritten and I've been [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► scribbling down recommendations the [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► whole time we've been talking so i [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► imagine the next time I come back I'm [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► gonna be like everything jason frasor [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► when talking about my inventory so i've [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► been reading chew on your recommend yeah [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► oh yeah I'm she's been kind of fun i [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► read the first issue and because it with [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► all the hype of two and read the first [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► issue and wasn't it's not for the weak [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► of somebody engage it's not for the weak [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► of some I'm just fascinated by how weird [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► a premise it is and and the first one [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► issue wasn't great but I bought I bought [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► the first trade i think it's a digital [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► trade my brothers and my brothers a [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► mighty fine five so yeah I think I'll [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► try the trade my brother sends me the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► trades and it's another one where I you [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► kind of have to get used to the artwork [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► because it's definitely a ascetic [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► departure from the from the typical [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► types and flight style but it's a really [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► fun and at the risk of making it sound [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► like I'm eighteen people should get off [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► my lawn [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► it feels really young compared to a lot [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► of the stuff that's in the Marvel and DC [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► vs it's not it's a superpower story but [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► told really non traditionally it [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► actually in some ways to remind me of [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► the top ten love top to wear it's a [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► where it's like police [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah except that's a very [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► traditional intentionally traditional [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► story and she was like similar in that [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► it sort of super law enforcement but [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► really non-traditional which is what [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► terrible superpower to have it is not [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► just some edit then they say that you [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► know eating things in order to tell what [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► happened with the thing you ate is just [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► it's awful but it's hilarious so yeah [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► because it's not like you're restricted [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► just food no no it's crazy it's crazy [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► alright so yeah it's just and I did some [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► reading like I said the new mutants i [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► recently went through and reread I [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► should do that sometime I ready to do i [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► reread 1602 video game in which I like a [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► lot i never read that serious oh it's [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► good stick with that don't read the [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► sequel it's good no I read the sequel [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► and it was [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► pretty sorry but 16 1602 is very good [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► reward you for having a lot of Marvel [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► and knowledge it's like my it's like [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► neil gaiman love letter to the Marvel [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► Universe put in this hilarious context [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► of the traditional hydration and it is [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► it is very well done and it's [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► self-contained it's beautiful and I'm [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► not gonna just wonderful but there are [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► some plot twists in it that are [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► fantastic as well as some fake out plot [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► twists that are very amusing so i highly [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► recommend it is great it's neil gaiman [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► playing with those Marvel characters in [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► a very constrained style you read the [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► you know read the hardcover read the [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► trade and that's the story and that's [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► all you have is really respectful the [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► history of the characters of that being [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► overly differential yeah nice yeah i [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► think it sounds great i'm gonna go home [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► and read that that's it's a it's a good [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► one so i reread that the other the other [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► night and had a blast with ya all right [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► I think we've done enough damage for one [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► comma club but we will be back we are [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► going to do an episode of the [TS]