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86: Like "Catcher in the Rye," Except Crappier

 

00:00:00   in conquerable podcast number a desserts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/0">TS</a>]

00:00:10   april twenty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/10">TS</a>]

00:00:15   we are back on the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   I'm your host Jason scale and it is time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   to open another edition of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   incomparable book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/21">TS</a>]

00:00:23   today's topic is magic and books about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/23">TS</a>]

00:00:28   magical things specifically we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   two books that we're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   that we're magic and magician ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   features heavily and then we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   probably have a little bit of time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/37">TS</a>]

00:00:38   branch out and talk about some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/38">TS</a>]

00:00:39   stuff to joining me on the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/39">TS</a>]

00:00:44   book club tonight our Glenn fleischmann [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47   hi Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/47">TS</a>]

00:00:47   hello there to have you thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/47">TS</a>]

00:00:50   having me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/50">TS</a>]

00:00:51   dan more'n Jason it's not magic it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/51">TS</a>]

00:00:55   illusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/55">TS</a>]

00:00:56   Scott McNulty hello hello good to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/56">TS</a>]

00:01:00   you here i'll always a pleasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   do you remember these books i remembers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/62">TS</a>]

00:01:06   the titles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/66">TS</a>]

00:01:07   ok excess Skylanders work Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   remembers words on a page i did read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   village we look to you for title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   information and serenity Caldwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   hello i am now speed reading reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   through both these books because it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   been so long since i read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   simultaneously what everything yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/83">TS</a>]

00:01:24   simultaneous right hands you're flipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   hmm well I have an iPhone an iPad I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/86">TS</a>]

00:01:29   not gonna make the best use the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32   good good work good work alright so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   two books were going to talk about it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   our primary focus tonight are the Night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   Circus by Erin Morgenstern this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41   book from 2011 it is actually started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/101">TS</a>]

00:01:45   out its life as a national novel writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   month novel which is very exciting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/107">TS</a>]

00:01:50   it has screech has gotten a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/110">TS</a>]

00:01:53   claim and also the magicians by lev [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/113">TS</a>]

00:01:57   grossman which was published in 2009 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/117">TS</a>]

00:02:01   it also actually got some acclaim and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   won an award for best up-and-coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   writer from the hugo awards last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   day and I'd a little-known fact actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   left Grossman pen name of lex friedman I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/130">TS</a>]

00:02:13   mean it's not true office this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   true although he is in our business he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   is the he is i believe the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   one of the technology reporters have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   geek culture reporter if you have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   magazine and a croton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   doing some reason about about the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   came out and I i ended up reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   time magazine story about the ipad which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   was by lev grossman did he say was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34   magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/154">TS</a>]

00:02:35   what I find strange about the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/155">TS</a>]

00:02:36   launch from web gross perspectives about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   halfway through the ipad entered a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/158">TS</a>]

00:02:41   strange fantasy world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/161">TS</a>]

00:02:42   Oh about halfway through the ipad got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/162">TS</a>]

00:02:45   lot better too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/165">TS</a>]

00:02:45   ah alright so let's start with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/165">TS</a>]

00:02:48   magicians by let's review let's start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/168">TS</a>]

00:02:49   we'll start there and I know that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   have strong feelings about this novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53   but just to recap beyond the title which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/173">TS</a>]

00:02:57   is the magician to Scott remembers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   correct yes k q haces God has fulfilled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/179">TS</a>]

00:03:02   his behalf of his needs tonight right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/182">TS</a>]

00:03:05   this is a book a kind of strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/185">TS</a>]

00:03:08   instructure I've heard it described by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   many people as being the foul-mouthed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   dirty version of Harry Potter and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/193">TS</a>]

00:03:16   it is about a school for magic it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   the united states and not not in the UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   it's just it's a school where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   learn magical things except their foul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/202">TS</a>]

00:03:25   mouth and and drink heavily and have sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/205">TS</a>]

00:03:29   with each other and other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   are not in harry potter it's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/211">TS</a>]

00:03:36   story of clinton who who lives in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/216">TS</a>]

00:03:40   Brooklyn and is discovers there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   up by going by walking deeply back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/222">TS</a>]

00:03:46   behind it like a garden inn in brooklyn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/226">TS</a>]

00:03:49   and pushing through stuff stuff he ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   up very very Narnia like very Lion the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55   Witch and the Wardrobe like he ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   at this school brakebills which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   school for magicians and he takes some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   tests that are people peculiar and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   he is enrolled in the school and time is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   out of sync and he meets people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   there's a whole lot of school stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10   then there's a strange plot twist that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   leads to a whole other story about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/252">TS</a>]

00:04:15   strange magical world called Hillary so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/255">TS</a>]

00:04:19   you know I um I know there are strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   feelings about this novel so I'd like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/262">TS</a>]

00:04:25   I'd like to hear what you guys thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   of it and let's start i'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   start with Scott because maybe our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   discussions will remind him of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   that happened in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/273">TS</a>]

00:04:34   shop some memories loose you can play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   along until then and start with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   damn or and what what what are your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40   thoughts were about the magician's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42   know a I think I think I talk to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/282">TS</a>]

00:04:45   really well I was well I was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   midst of it and found it you know rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   lackluster to the point I think at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   point I was about after two thirds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   the way through and I think a lot of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   problem with that is that the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/296">TS</a>]

00:04:57   are so alienating and they're drawn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   this very stereotypical talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   the book that reminded me the most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   I'm trying to remember the name of it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   think it was called the cheese monkeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/306">TS</a>]

00:05:07   by the chip kidd a4 chip kid yeah and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/307">TS</a>]

00:05:12   it's but it's got that same sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   that's about like a bunch of kids going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/314">TS</a>]

00:05:15   to art school and so that's kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18   this reminded me of in a way is you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   got all these kids who are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22   pretentious and I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   bothered me the most about it they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   all kind of they're all kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/327">TS</a>]

00:05:30   layabouts and ne'er do wells to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   certain extent especially Quentin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   clicky sort of falls in with and not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/334">TS</a>]

00:05:38   the sense that they're all extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/338">TS</a>]

00:05:39   wealthy or whatever but they're all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   know they all do magic and so especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   once they get out of out of brakebills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/343">TS</a>]

00:05:47   and back into the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/347">TS</a>]

00:05:48   I put quotes around that because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   like living in an apartment in Manhattan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/350">TS</a>]

00:05:51   they don't have to work they have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/351">TS</a>]

00:05:52   the money they ever need is a magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   right and so they spend all their time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   drinking and doing drugs and having sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   and all that so um which is it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01   terribly interesting because there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/361">TS</a>]

00:06:04   really a plot going on at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   it's just these characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   unfortunately the characters again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/368">TS</a>]

00:06:09   I said I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   they're not really like no they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/371">TS</a>]

00:06:12   likeable I mean maybe alice is maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/372">TS</a>]

00:06:15   like you never you never get insider say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   yeah but she's a mysterious other figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/377">TS</a>]

00:06:21   who maybe I think you feel sad for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   more than anything yeah you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/384">TS</a>]

00:06:25   other the other characters i mean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   meet we meet these these characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/387">TS</a>]

00:06:31   their older than a question and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/391">TS</a>]

00:06:37   the sense that they're kind of already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/397">TS</a>]

00:06:38   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   they've been corrupted by the school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   their cynical and and kind of unfriendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/401">TS</a>]

00:06:45   and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   and-and-and there and Quentin and Alice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   are sort of like promoted into their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/408">TS</a>]

00:06:51   year and so they're the younger ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   they're more innocent and and so through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/413">TS</a>]

00:06:55   them you end up seeing these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/415">TS</a>]

00:06:56   characters who are more the another kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   of hedonistic and they're very cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   and they're not particularly like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   they've already got a sort of already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/423">TS</a>]

00:07:04   have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   politics between them and their arse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   history that's ugly of people who've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/427">TS</a>]

00:07:11   loved and hated each other and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   good kind of the whole thing it falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   into this sort of trap of of clichés in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   some way of you have these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19   dissolute teenagers you think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   too cool for everything and like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23   have the the how everybody hates their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   parents right even like especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   Quentin's parents that really struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/447">TS</a>]

00:07:28   as his parents being really kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   offensive and bland but he's somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   offended by that ineffectiveness but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/452">TS</a>]

00:07:36   struck me as not really having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   well-defined reason or a you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/458">TS</a>]

00:07:41   it just struck me as like a god it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   annoying teenager you know and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/463">TS</a>]

00:07:46   maybe that's realistic but it sits at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   the same time just so boring to read is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/468">TS</a>]

00:07:51   so dull harry potter went through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   for an entire harry potter book and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   was actually one of the more unpleasant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   things in here hotter series he spends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   the entire book being mad at everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   because he supposed to be sullen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/481">TS</a>]

00:08:04   he's a teenager and it's you know it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/484">TS</a>]

00:08:07   be realistic in one way but it just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   of sucks because it's just like you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/491">TS</a>]

00:08:12   why do I fiction for a reason yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15   Dan what you said was you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   despairing but I did you didn't pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/497">TS</a>]

00:08:20   at the end then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   this is sort of two books right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/502">TS</a>]

00:08:23   kind of like two totally different plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   yes well it's like yeah there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   there's a book at the beginning which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   really boring school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/509">TS</a>]

00:08:30   well it's cool Quentin as a kid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/510">TS</a>]

00:08:33   whatever I even the part of sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   beginning where they get to fillory this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38   this magical universe even that feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41   kind of shoddy because Aaron it haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   yeah it is unclear right like whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   this is a pastiche on the sort of narnia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/525">TS</a>]

00:08:48   and and traditional fantasies or whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51   it's a actual honest like Ernest fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   story right I've got to say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   about that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   when reading this book all I could think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   of was this is a kid who wrote Narnia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03   fanfiction in high school wrote like 250 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   thousand words of it said well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   obviously can't publish it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   fanfiction let me sit on it a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   years and then a couple years later he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   comes up to it means like oh well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   if I twerksum names around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/556">TS</a>]

00:09:17   Hey look I've got a novel then it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/557">TS</a>]

00:09:21   so happens to be very clearly resemble i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   think yeah I think that was it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   parody a community parents so earnest so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   it's no it's not understand i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   there's enough of a critique in there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/570">TS</a>]

00:09:31   feel like that he's trying to that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/571">TS</a>]

00:09:32   don't think it's particularly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   executed critique but it's clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/574">TS</a>]

00:09:37   ripping off but it's yeah it's so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   so heavy-handed it is very heavy-handed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   number an ember thing where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   and then at the end they come and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   always take the chat when children away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47   and they have to go back to the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/587">TS</a>]

00:09:48   seems so unfair and I'm like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   someone reading rd and said why can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51   the kids stay there you know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/594">TS</a>]

00:09:54   yeah doesn't add to its just like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   complaint yeah I the the illusions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/596">TS</a>]

00:09:59   so heavy though like you know they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   about you know I think the older girl at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   some of the older chat when you're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/603">TS</a>]

00:10:04   some point and of course anybody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/604">TS</a>]

00:10:05   read Narnia you know thanks immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/605">TS</a>]

00:10:08   a Susan who is the one you know the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11   kid who is sort of at a later point just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   decide she's she's she's never coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   back to Narnia guess she's just got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   joints right ages out and which is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   thing that many people are critical of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   in Lewis's work but i think that I grew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/623">TS</a>]

00:10:28   Jason that this is this is intended more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   as Christie core a critique or pastiche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   I don't know if I'd go so far as to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   it's parody because it doesn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/635">TS</a>]

00:10:36   work that way and it's not funny enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   to be parody to me and not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40   necessarily to be funny but like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   it's not it's not a parody of not sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   enough there is a pair of harry potter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   it does feel like if you take harry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   potter and narnia what what what really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/648">TS</a>]

00:10:50   is happening here is he's he's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/650">TS</a>]

00:10:54   make some kind of commentary right while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   telling a story about that sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   the the how clean some of these family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/658">TS</a>]

00:11:03   beloved fantasy stories are versus sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   of the dirtiness of reality and real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/665">TS</a>]

00:11:07   people and real life and I feel that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/667">TS</a>]

00:11:10   school seems very strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   and in the scenes in the second half in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   fillory you know I feel like he's making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   some comments on on this idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/676">TS</a>]

00:11:20   children I mean you talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   children visiting and IMF and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/682">TS</a>]

00:11:23   changes in time and all of that he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   sort of making a comment about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   especially given the fact that spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/690">TS</a>]

00:11:33   the the the bad guy ends up being one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/693">TS</a>]

00:11:37   the children who is bad because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   doesn't want to leave and I but the but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/700">TS</a>]

00:11:44   he doesn't he doesn't commit to it my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   problem is that it's not just the novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   changes halfway through its that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   doesn't commit to being either parody or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   critique and he's and that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   feels like pastiche because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   washing machine yeah he borrows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   everything he can I mean the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/717">TS</a>]

00:11:58   needed brakebills like that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   funny if he was really trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   Hogwarts parody but he doesn't it's he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   borrow it's like it's like oh I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   make a little joke here and there an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07   occasion i'm going to make a joke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   Narnia or or harry potter i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   it's a parody it's commentary it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   saying this is unrealistic to expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   people to behave the way they do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   Harry Potter this is how they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/737">TS</a>]

00:12:18   behave but who wants to read a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/738">TS</a>]

00:12:21   about that well that may be but well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   mean I and I think you could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/743">TS</a>]

00:12:24   well I just not sure that this was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   well my thing is that he steals the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   framework so he tries to eat he makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   them in jokes he makes the reference and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   then it's like okay well not describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   something works just like Harry Potter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/753">TS</a>]

00:12:34   you know it works just like whores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   describing workers everyone's read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   Narnia so I'm just gonna go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/758">TS</a>]

00:12:39   other thing ignore the fact that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/759">TS</a>]

00:12:40   created something I bring up all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   things are always in jokes and create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   different names for everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/764">TS</a>]

00:12:45   sometimes wink and nudge about Narnia or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   harry potter and then he moves on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   you know we're talking about just those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50   two there so many elements like brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   in from every other book and movie you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   know there's bright lights big city in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/775">TS</a>]

00:12:56   the New York seen practically there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   there's a it's just I feel like it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   think best each is the right word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01   because I feel like they're 50 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03   bits and pieces of fantasy novels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/783">TS</a>]

00:13:06   magic novels and movies i mean i've felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   like it was a terrible movie with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/788">TS</a>]

00:13:11   sensual a terrible movie with nicolas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12   cage where sorcerer's apprentice right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/792">TS</a>]

00:13:15   which I saw national richer conair yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   so has rich and famous sorcerers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/799">TS</a>]

00:13:22   apprentice had the same field to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/802">TS</a>]

00:13:23   where they're like they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/803">TS</a>]

00:13:24   reference stuff and they're sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/804">TS</a>]

00:13:25   being funny and the sort of making no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   sense and it doesn't stand alone it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   like Oh electricity allows us to perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/809">TS</a>]

00:13:32   magic except we say spells except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   there's there's a perfect part that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   explains this book for me which is early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   on they're doing some lecture and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/818">TS</a>]

00:13:39   the professor says we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   anything about the orange of origin of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/821">TS</a>]

00:13:42   magic and he makes the it's Turtles all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   the way down story and it goes on about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   the turtles all the way down reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/826">TS</a>]

00:13:47   to hammer on the point that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   because harry potter it's obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   peep of his and the Harry Potter books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/831">TS</a>]

00:13:52   they don't really look at where magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   comes from comes from they just study it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   like empirical of scientists used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   without setting the basis of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   reality or whatever and I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   same things come up here is you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   brings these things up because there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05   pet peeves he gets rid of them and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   moves on just like you know you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   through the harry potter thing whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/849">TS</a>]

00:14:10   should have been sex and drugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11   violence and weird stuff at Hogwarts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14   while we've done that now we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/854">TS</a>]

00:14:15   go into the narnia world and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/855">TS</a>]

00:14:16   should have been you know this and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   and strange gods and so forth and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   he does not i wanted to interject that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   thought they were the the scene there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24   one scene that really stands out for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   in the first half of the book which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/866">TS</a>]

00:14:27   the one point where if i'm sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/867">TS</a>]

00:14:28   like-- lazily like asian through it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   reading the one that made me sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31   setup is the scene the first scene with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   the Beast weary antagonists and taxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   best which i think is one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   scenes yeah overall its original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   slightly yeah it's an original scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   doesn't feel like anything else yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/881">TS</a>]

00:14:42   it's really scary especially that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   bit where it's like you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/884">TS</a>]

00:14:45   through the whole thing and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/885">TS</a>]

00:14:46   terrifying your kind of frozen and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/886">TS</a>]

00:14:47   again like they're like oh and nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   even noticed that this like student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/889">TS</a>]

00:14:50   totally died and you're just like wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/893">TS</a>]

00:14:53   but they never really be kind of cheats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   his way out of it never really goes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   know back to that aspect of it right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00   gets put on hold so long but I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   maybe he just forgot it will never come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03   up again but it did it got it does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   does and I and I mean and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   that's the part that's where the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   starts to come around to me is towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   the end I think it really took as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/912">TS</a>]

00:15:15   they get into sort of this tomb right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   and I get up to the you know they find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/917">TS</a>]

00:15:20   amber and they start interrogating him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   and you kind of realize that this is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   a sort of a ploy and then they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28   like them they're you know they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   there in deep crap right and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   to sort of get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/932">TS</a>]

00:15:33   out of it and it doesn't go well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   that's the part where I started like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   okay I I kind of like that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/936">TS</a>]

00:15:39   something at stake here and that things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41   go really badly and that they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   dig themselves out this huge hole and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   really sort of love the coda after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   with the questing beast remove that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   little short story in there where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   wakes up after this huge battle and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/952">TS</a>]

00:15:55   been asleep for like months are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/955">TS</a>]

00:15:59   and he's his hair is gone white and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   he's taking care of by all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   centaurs kind of pity them and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   has to go off and search after this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   thing I love that little bit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   where that's a reference to by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   the again everything is the best teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   I like that part too very much i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   that was that one of the best parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15   the book but the infernal desire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/975">TS</a>]

00:16:16   machines of dr. Hoffman by angela carter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/976">TS</a>]

00:16:19   with your friend gave me to read it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/979">TS</a>]

00:16:20   terrifying and hilarious book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   there's a bit with centaurs in it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   is exceedingly disturbing to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/984">TS</a>]

00:16:27   rational mind and that scene in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30   with the Centaurs is clearly an homage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   to it without being anywhere near as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   disturbing as national Carter's book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   wanted to mention one other seen that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   that I liked in a book which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   scene where at graduation they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   taken down into know ya levels below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   level level level and it's like outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:46   the magical protection area and they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   get tattoos that are essentially demons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   being inserted into them to protect them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:53   and it's this ritual and the Dean is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:56   sort of like I'm ok I'm gonna let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   and now that you've graduated I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1018">TS</a>]

00:16:59   let you in on some of the last secrets i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   thought that was really evocative there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:02   are a few scenes like that that you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   you like wow there are some elements of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   a really good book that was not real you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:09   know what the will the scene that stands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:10   alone for me that was the best the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   Antarctica seen I loved that scene I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:15   thought the whole thing it was so gritty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   it was so disconnected from the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   the book it was so it actually had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   would say compelling sex even though was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:23   between foxes I thought that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   sex is whole thing about being sex and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:26   drugs and alcohol and the book isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   very interesting throughout and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:29   thought that got more to sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   raw elemental stuff than anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   in the book and it it's a fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   little snippet and when they get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   brakebills I'm like ah that parts over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   that part was actually really strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:43   well the part it takes them out of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   reality to serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:46   extending them out of the context and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   also you're taking them out of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   board disaffected human minds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:52   putting them in animals and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:53   that and like oh no you can't talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   each other so you can't complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:56   how bored you are i don't know it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   like to create a quote from louis ck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   here everything is awesome and nobody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02   happy where it's like you were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:05   a school for magic and you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:06   gonna be all the time and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   admittedly if he wants to make a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:11   know if if Grossman's idea is to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   story about how magic really just causes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   trouble and makes people unhappy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   know there are elements in there there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   like the parents seen we get to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   else's parents who are just these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:26   who have oh yeah well you you take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:29   this is what disaffected people turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   into when they have all the power at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   their hands and they just going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   themselves into crazy this book actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   kind of reminds me of Catcher in the Rye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:39   except with magic and crappier and Carla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:43   know we'll listen for a second because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:46   like a lot of people this catcher in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   rye because of the you know disaffected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   nature of the protagonist but i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:51   say the tone or at least a tone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   Grossman is trying to achieve i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   similar to catcher in the rye his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   catcher in the rye is a very affecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00   book even though it's narrator is a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   of an ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:03   well that's why I'm not criticizing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   I'm saying that you know comparing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07   to catch on the rise like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   comparing the rock to you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:12   tempest you know i got it will take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14   place on Islands you know I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   have similar themes not necessarily that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:19   they're similar tears of literature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   no yeah I'm gonna backups ready because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:22   I thought that was the missing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24   structural problem for me was if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:25   want to explore what happens when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   have infinite aura now relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28   infinite power compared to other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   and what happens the corruption and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   harry potter and despite someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   dimensionality of it throughout the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:37   conflict between having power and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:39   forced to restrain and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   mechanisms in the Harry Potter universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   beat that even though sometimes we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   presented as parodies of British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   bureaucracy there are checks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   balances you must do something useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50   with yourself or sort of retire back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   into the magical world you can't go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   and just sort of screw around in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   world the rules don't seem to apply and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:57   you wonder why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:58   more things aren't going awry and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   have different amounts of power and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   never explores the it's not a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   responsibility comes you know with great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:05   power thing it's more like he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:08   explore the ethical limits of having no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   check someone's actions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   it's just uh well we can do anything we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:13   want so we're all going to collapse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   ennui [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:16   or become despite and so that whole last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   seen right where he's he's after he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   escaped from Philadelphia she decides 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   yeah he decides to go work in this Fermi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   doesn't really do anything he draws a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   paycheck he sits around in his office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:29   and plays video games all day is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   nice office that he's just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:32   convince people to give them and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:35   I don't know it you sort of sad it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:38   difficult thing and I think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39   know I think the ending of this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   fairly contentious in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:42   especially the you know very end of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:45   where he essentially decides why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   heck not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:48   I'll go back with all my friends to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   you know terrible face that we barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   escaped with our lives because at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   it's more exciting than what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55   I'm doing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:56   that makes no sense to me oh I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   they had established some meaning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1258">TS</a>]

00:20:59   they had meeting and resolve and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   why he went with him as opposed to hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:02   let's go have fun it was like no these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   were kick-ass people and figure out some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   way to scrape some meeting and looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   at them he's like alright maybe there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   something to do I was gonna love it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   you know they had connected the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:13   characters more but I feel like by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:14   end of the book maybe i just read it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   sleep by the end after he goes on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   questing beast thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:19   it kind of feels like oh I'm done with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   this chapter in my life I'm closing off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   magic forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   I'm gonna go work in an office and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:26   completely you know just simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:29   dissolute about this i mean even meets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:30   up with somebody who was a former which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   is also working at this firm in doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   nothing and they have coffee and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   and it's very much it feels like after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   that scene after the you know the coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   or the beer scene that he feels you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   completely uninterested about anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   in the magical world and then two scenes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   later he's like yeah I'm gonna go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   fillory why not well but there is a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   there is a nice train there because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   reason that you know the reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   that woman is also there is that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   also sort of caused the death of someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   write that she was really close to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   the same way that when you put himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   in danger and had to be rescued by Alice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   who essentially you know commited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:06   suicide to save them and so they're sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09   of the argument at the end there is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   they gave our lives for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:12   like you know what we better make our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   lives worthwhile right I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:15   sort of the that is the thing that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   of i think saves that upswing at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   a little bit is not so much that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:21   oh I guess I have nothing better to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   than go back in this world is more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:24   well if we don't do something then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   know that their deaths didn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:27   anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:28   this is also a story that is about in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:32   if you had to say was about one thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   would say it's it's about Narnia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:38   it's about the books and the concept so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:41   even in the beginning you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   pushing through essentially the Wardrobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   to get brakebills he's obsessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   these books they read as a kid they end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:50   up going to this world because it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   out to be real which I really enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:53   that part that it that the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   wait a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:56   hilary is real after all and at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58   you know it's a Narnia is a series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:01   and there's detail about the fillory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   series 2 and they keep the kids keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   going back right so I felt like you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:08   to have them go back at the end because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11   that's what it's about is they go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   to the magic land they that you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   that's how these books work as they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   back to what I view that is at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   meta-level that to that don't of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   they have to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:22   that's when it's not everybody gets to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   go back right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   maybe they had that last scene 2 because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   if he'll head and throwing himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:29   through that glass window and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:30   couldn't save Trinity only a minute yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:33   it was very matrix at the end wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:34   that was like a scene from the matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   but they need cinnamon that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   the ok and then to get this the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:41   i'd have this scene at the end so goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:42   the movie with but I sort of had another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   kind of like that because it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   I thought it through off some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   ennui it's like you know you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:48   they could have ended this sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   know at the end of one hour under you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   like the end of Brazil you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   gone insane and and in these dead to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   world and we're still a dystopia it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:57   like now this guy goes alright I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   throw myself out the window and is I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:02   can do magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:03   why am I here i'm gonna do that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06   yeah a good at least there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   originally like an epilogue where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:09   like you're the the bystanders walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   by see this guy plummet to his death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:12   from not thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   and I really want to pull the garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   out for dinner someone cast a spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:17   silence over Scott McNulty we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   release him from it yes got to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   this book now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   uh well to be fair I did read it three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25   so how didn't I tell you all that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28   new button on you don't know I I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:31   just trying to recall any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:32   details and all I remember about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   book was that the first part i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   completely forgot they went to a magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   land and I remember the ending with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:41   exploding window so i really like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:44   entire moving it may be a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   though that there really are these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:47   these two movements and you remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   school stuff and there's this cool stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:51   and then there's the magic land and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   I was talking to my wife afterward i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   read this book and a and then I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:56   talking to her about this crazy book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   that I read and I said you know as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01   editor I look at this and think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04   should have been two books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:05   this should've been there would there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:08   was it should have been cut into and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   then both of them needed some work right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   there should have been a book one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:13   was the magician's at school book one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16   would have been incredibly boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:19   well it needed a climax there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   climax in that part of the book he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:22   rushed through it too there's that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   point where he's like he's like oh wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   a minute 14 months just passed and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:27   don't know anybody how do we not make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   any friends it was like there's a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   when they say that like yeah how do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   not make any friends for the last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:33   and a half and you're like oh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:34   that dream when you wake up and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   forgot to go to school for a year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:37   what it is so you you you know you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:41   can change the shape of a little bit too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:42   but you have a little more of a climax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   and whether that's the Antarctica stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   or it's something else that climax with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   them graduate more more quidditch I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   Welters yes exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:53   there could just run is a nap and I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   like that would have been an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   book and then the second but it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:59   second half feels like a totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   different book which is hey you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   all that fillory stuff it turns out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:06   it's real i will have an adventure there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   he could have built more I if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   expanded the first part with school he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:11   could have really interested in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12   hole fillory thing a little more so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   would have been more shocking for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:15   second book like oh my god it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   real but you do it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:20   now so that that's that and that struck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   me about it that it just it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:25   of I think works better because it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28   like two unfinished books if it had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:31   split into and been more finished and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33   think because there's a lot of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   stuff in here but it does feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   know and this happens with novels a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:39   is you know you write a novel and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:42   people will either publish it or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   won't and it's not that off that common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   that somebody will say I like it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   needs a lot of work and you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:49   probably break it into and you should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   this and just do that now if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   this is one of those cases where just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   cried out for somebody to say left this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   is great stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:57   you're very talented we need to do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   work on it and it seems like that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:00   happen you know why would I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   compare this in terms of plot or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   scale but the on the series of wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   books the blue Mars rover him Stanley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   Robinson yeah tread marks cream learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   more wonderful series of books and Mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:14   tomorrow one of the most appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   Mars blue Mars and Mars blue eyes what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:20   do you see the the thing about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23   books characters incredibly richly drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   characters some of them start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27   extremely disinfected and sullen or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30   you're angry at them are there they kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   people or whatever enters and evolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   through the book whereby they live for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   like 200 years so yeah that's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   little gimmick might explain why i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   never finish that book takes to twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42   year so it's a beautiful is a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   serious reading maybe we'll do an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:45   episode on it but the but I mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   the evolution of character you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:48   disaffected characters like I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   the turning point was going to be with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   Quentin and Alice like you know they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:52   that they're both disaffected Alice had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   reasons actually a deep dark secrets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   Gretchen was just sort of a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58   jerky Brooklyn k just didn't appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   what he had been their magic but after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   Antarctica i thought was going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   is ok this is the crucible we've gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   through a lot they go through America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:07   they both have learned more about each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   other and themselves and they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   only two and five years like the boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   there some foxes and they do that death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   marks that bit that one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   moments the book the funniest thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:18   they come back upon the portal back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   brakebills from Antarctica everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   sitting around and they're like you two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   are the only idiots who did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   optional voluntary death march to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:30   pole but that's what i thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   the crucible and then you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:33   have this different thing where resolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   and different and they realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:36   and now there's still the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38   party around kids that they were before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   yeah would have been really nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:41   actually see them get to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   oh yes we've embraced what we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:46   and we're really invested in it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   you take it you go back to New York you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   have the slow sort of degradation the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   idea that oh yeah back now that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   back in the real world everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   sort of crunching on in on you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   think actually he has a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   interesting motif throughout the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01   with the sort of the real world versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:04   the magic world and going back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   magic world i mean not only do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   it sort of the main characters but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:09   have it with the main antagonist you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   have it with Martin and then you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   have sort of a weird foreshadowing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   Quentin's original non-magic world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:19   classmate Julia who gets in for like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   first two rounds of tests at brakebills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:24   and then gets booted out and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   convinced that she's gone crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   yes exactly because she remembers even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   though they tried to wipe her memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:32   about it and so she just goes around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   like she wants to get back into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   world and she even assaults question at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   one point being like yeah I'm gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   back and you know you if you contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   that with the Martin Chatwin stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   there's there's the underpinnings of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   really interesting book about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:49   disillusionment of magic and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:51   happens when you try and go back to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   world that you can't quite fit into and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   that like that could be really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:58   well paired with growing up and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   like that but instead it for me it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01   feels like a bunch of dissolute pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:04   that are kind of plopped down together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:05   side-by-side and like if you try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   connect the dots you can sort of see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09   narrative but I was really offended by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   one thing in the book I mean really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:13   quite so which is when Martin challans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   sister a laser system judge is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:20   genuine jane says you know you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   judge my bar my brother too harshly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   after all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:25   plover the author of the fillory and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   know whatever books was doodling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   everything God and I'm like oh come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32   you throw that in this moment we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   supposed to excuse somebody you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   it's like it's like saying well Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:36   Pott you know his parents used to beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38   him it's like yeah but you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   go and kill it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   this is that didn't bother me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   didn't read that as being legitimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   excusing his behavior so much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   much as tearing apart the the author and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:53   saying you know this author was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:54   an awful human being but what'll I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   see ya there very gotta put the detailed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   the same extraneous me and I I agreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   sort of it it made me you know raise an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   eyebrow just like you couldn't resist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   turning that into something but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:06   it didn't bother you a didn't bother me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   from the same way as being an excuse so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09   much it just seems like a ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12   why isn't there like yes I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   your point that in the scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   I mean it's a lot of the explicit stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   throws in is just seems like it's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:20   for shock value like there's an fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   early on with Elliot right where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   quite and stumbles across him involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   in some sort of you know homosexual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   tryst or whatever and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   informs us to a certain extent about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   character but you know at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   it seems you know unnecessarily graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:39   or just don't dare to try and shock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   people right it could have been done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:42   better there's a movie prick up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   ears about Jordan the playwright and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:45   there's a bit where after he wins a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   award he goes into it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:48   aloo in England and manner all over him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:51   and it's like and that was sort of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:52   was a contrast and terrifying and useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   and exploration of the characters as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   opposed to let's degrade this guy while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   the guy peeps his head up and then no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1918">TS</a>]

00:31:59   okay now we know all about it let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   and talk about it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:02   yeah just ties into the book as in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   general where it feels like Grossman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   kind of got carte blanc to do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:07   he wanted in this book and occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:10   he takes it too far and there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:13   no no offense to his editors but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   I it feels like there wasn't that hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   being like love love what did you told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20   that back a little bit so I to if we if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   we would sum up the reaction here it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   sounds like there's a lot of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25   stuff in this book but that it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   got a lot of flaws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30   there's a lot to slog through to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:31   the interesting huh yeah and it makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:34   really mad to think about it i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   even weeks later and ready for a ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   for the magician's the Phantom edit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   i'm going to read that one huh well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   can tell the sequel magician kings which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   is available in bookstores near he heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   that I heard that might make me angry i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:48   retired some people say that they liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   it better and then other people said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51   that it raged them and they liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   first one and the second one so i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:54   don't know what to think I i haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   read it for that reason I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   something for that which we haven't said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1978">TS</a>]

00:32:59   which is actually a pretty good writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:00   he is interesting i think his character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   strong but you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   the book that I'm not bored or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   irritated by this one actually maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   sort of angry about it and I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   opening a strong emotional reaction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:11   actually you know that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   worthwhile i don't like it i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:14   i'd recommend other people that I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   commend him for writing in a fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:17   that actually enraged me instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   bored me i liked it i mean i want you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   I think it's flawed but i enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   reading it and I think it could could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   have been better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:26   absolutely but some of these scenes will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   stick with me and I you know I i enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:33   the ride and I didn't mind that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   characters were unlikable because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   was ok with me that they weren't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   weren't likable it's true that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:41   don't know I i enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   I've read all those Narnia books I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   I it's no sin for character to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:46   unlikable is my feeling it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:49   sin for them to be unlikable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   uninteresting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   I mean I'm not saying that's necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:55   the case here but I think about you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:57   too and generally people people often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   criticized you know like madmen for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   having like characters they're full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:02   Michael people like yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:03   unlikable that's true but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   interesting in and so dislike them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:08   you don't like dislike them on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   screen but you can't stop watching them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   with supporting cast in the magician's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   is not strong supporting cast their eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:19   yeah besides you know the sort of few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:22   main characters i think there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:23   very few that stand out all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   professor's become interchangeable and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26   think that's probably also a failed sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:29   of thrust harry potter am and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   going to ask if anyone does anyone have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   a favorite character or they all equally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   unlikable because i have a favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:36   character bicurious anyone else does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:39   and I'm thinking oh yeah i would go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   a second i can't remember his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   because it was long in Russian but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45   guy that Antarctica the guy never mind i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   think i think he was the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   interesting he has very very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:50   dialogue but he was in compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:51   character especially sort of filling his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   backstory later and go ahead when I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:57   I like penny because parents would text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   workable and crazy and turns out to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:02   the key the key plot element into sorta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   he's easygoing as I went along nemesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:07   and yet he becomes actually vitally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08   important right but he he is kind of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   own plot like he's in a whole different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   story and his whole don't think anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15   would be very interesting because at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16   end of your weekend really badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   yeah and he's got fake hands and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   opens his hands he goes he reads books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:22   for the rest of his life apparently it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   a totally different life than everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   else in the book but but what I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   about that character is his interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:29   with Quinn I mean basically there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   there is a great scene where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   you've set this guy up as well i kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   don't like him and but I'm sure I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:36   whatever i'm not going to pay attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:37   to him and then penny kinda like walks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   out of the school building and walks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   right up to Quinton and places with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   notes and they get in a fight and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   liked that too that it's like we're over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   at the Magic School and like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   like this guy will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50   well in harry potter it's like Oh mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   boy you better watch out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   and in this it's like no I'm gonna punch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:55   you in the face and there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   about that way with penny that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:58   very direct very direct fellow i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   going to punish you now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:01   yeah it's in your boys sense to me yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:04   I don't know about that it was but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   was amusing you know don't enjoy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   enjoy it anyway he's in his own book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   yeah he's reading for the pools in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12   in the little place that's between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:15   world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   ok let's move on to the Night Circus by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   Erin Morgenstern I this is from last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:21   year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:22   this is like I said it's a national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   novel writing month book originally she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:28   didn't know what to do with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:29   characters so she sent them to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:30   circus and then aha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   the circus might be an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:34   subject for a book so this is a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   a story set in mostly in and around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:40   London although not it's also in Europe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41   in the in the united states there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44   time frames in it which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   surprising and interesting arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   three wedding and how yeah I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   that I suppose that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   it's basically about these two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:56   Celia and marco who are chosen as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:59   players in a game between two older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:03   gentleman who are playing a long game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:06   that we don't know the details of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:09   and Celia and marco are the players and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   so they're sort of set against each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   other and in a game that that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:16   nobody knows the rules of and magic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   at the center of it and and and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   a creation of a circus and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   lots of circus people all of whom are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   doing magical things and it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:28   just a strange and I evocative and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:32   thought really charming charming book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   and I I liked it a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   so what do you guys think has anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   ever watched the same way ever watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   HBO show carnevale new episodes remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:46   you about a lot of the tone that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:49   much darker and much more disturbed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   it also takes place at a traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:52   carnival and also involves sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   that's more of a good and evil Battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   like but there is also an element of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58   magic well up to it but I mean it'sit's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:01   distinct but the tone reminded me of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   lot and I like carnival a lot and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:04   the night circus a lot as well it sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:07   of reminded me of that but set in a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   know Jonathan strange and mr normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   universe to allude to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:12   yeah right look right it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15   Victorian so you got the Victorian areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:16   it's like the late eighteen hundreds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   early nineteen hundreds and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:21   you've got that tone which is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:24   nice you've got like English you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   big English kind of manner buildings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29   rooms and things and then the circus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   structure and the Traveling Circus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   there's there's magic and the magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:36   that's done is interesting and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   they're like kinds of magic and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   they're very limited things that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   can do with the way that they make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:44   magic in this circus that they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   build and then they have the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:49   talents of the the others that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:50   person who construct the the the clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:53   that's at the circus it's just it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:56   mean there's a lot in there but it's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:58   at its core two are these two characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:01   who are on a collision course with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   another from the very beginning you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:05   in contrast with magicians the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:09   supporting characters in this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:12   huge and I feel like almost every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   one of them is very well fleshed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   whether we get a point of view chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18   from them or not it's it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   interesting the amount of sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   different sub sections that we go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   inside the book because you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   overarch the overarching story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   basically a love story disguised as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   competition which is fascinating but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   also have you have the undercurrent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   the person who basically puts on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   circus who is more or less unaware until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:40   later on that he is basically being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   played as part of a competition but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   have this whole section where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   basically planning how to build the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48   circus and you get into his mind like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   producer even though you never even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   never get a point-of-view character for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   this for this person you only get him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   through the eyes of Marco who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   basically become his his assistant in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   order to manipulate aspects of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   circus but his his whole track and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   track of the other sort of patrons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   the circus are that that track is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   I thought it was a beautiful book and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   agree with run out of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   means even the minor ones are richly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:19   fleshed out and it seemed both spare and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:22   full of details so you could be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:25   it was fasting that later that it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:26   night circus is open at night and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   are either white or black often and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   was used as that theme to identify the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   people are sort of became associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   with and traveled with to see the circus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36   but and the red is the color of one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   the twins hair is born at midnight when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   the bonfires lived in the bonfire is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   multicolored and there's just don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   everything was it felt like it was full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   of imagery and symbolism but without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:50   anyone having to take upon a specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   heavy-handed being and even the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   that i always liked books that involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   magic or even sometimes science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:59   where the issues are dispensed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   really fast so we don't actually really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:02   care what the basis of magic is in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   book it's not discussed it sort of waved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   away but it feels a realistic in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   sense that it's consistent and it arises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:12   out of effort and will in a way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:15   consistent among all the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:16   involved throughout the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   and I like the the light touch their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:21   let's treat it like a craft craft right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:25   everything kind of makes sense in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   way that a certain things happen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:30   plot and there's a lot of kids a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:31   books to read and you'd be like well why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34   didn't this thing do this at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:35   you know I was thinking particular i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:36   just finished this book earlier the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   before the recording here so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   thinking in particular the ending where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:43   you know sort of the circus has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   suspended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:46   well as issues are worked out and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:51   one of our protagonist from the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:52   timeline a young young man was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:55   being chosen to be the next proprietor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:58   of the circus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   he's sort of going around investigating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   why everyone is sort of frozen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03   circus and there's one person who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   there to sort of breed him that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:06   contortionist and so so they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:10   the question is why is she able to walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:11   around with nobody elses and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:14   the answer is well she's sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   magician in her own right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:17   it's not important that we know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   mechanics exactly haha she was immune to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   their power is based on this message was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   like oh she kinda knows magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   yeah it makes sense of it doesn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   the detail and she was in the end it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   the balance of the love story there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   many balanced forces of sort of love and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   jealousy and loss and there are neatly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   arranged so you're just like oh of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   course she's the one she's the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40   was gradually revealed that she been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   competitor in a previous round of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   competition and so it makes sense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46   the kid who is sort of brought us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   prior like his need for change in just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:51   had the fact that he comes along is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   happenstance things happen in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:54   for what seemed to be accidental reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:57   but there's almost a purpose or fate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58   behind them and you just accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   because it's part i mean the book is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   about everything being balanced and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   whatever the balance goes off there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:05   great scene you know relatively in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:08   book where the lover of Marcos lover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   realizes that he never really loved her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   and it over not a horrible way she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   doesn't you know go totally nuts but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   had learned enough magic to keep both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   Marco and his opponent in balance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   she unravels that and then the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   starts to wind up the clock starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   spring start to pop out basically and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   things start to happen sorry good better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   for it and the flies all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:31   it made perfect sense it's like she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   so the linchpin is is various people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35   in love and the clockmaker being in love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:38   with don't forget her name with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:41   Celia that's a that's a lovely bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   though the fact that clock maker who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:45   you know supposed to be slightly older I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   guess and they have some kind of love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   affair but it's not it's not as deep as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   the one with Marco but she loves him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   a certain way and that doesn't become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   this strange twisted thing it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:56   part of all the mechanics of the of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2636">TS</a>]

00:44:00   you can kind of get away with that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:01   Victorian gettin awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   that's right yeah i think it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:04   almost an intellectual of a fair mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:07   has any kind of physical thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:08   he is you know he happens to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:11   maker of the clock and then he also ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   up being basically the voice for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   circus to the general public who wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   to know more about it is the divorce fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:20   yeah 100 feet I'm your biggest and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:22   he's interviewing him he created his boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   he's killed in the clinic starts the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:27   Clippers killed in the clock starts the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:28   one down right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:29   ok that is one of the that that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   affecting scene 2 which is how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:34   beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:35   can I just say I love I mean she's for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   first-time rider she has a impeccable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   control over the language in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:43   however loss places except for not such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:46   a loser for what purpose places she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:49   continually gluing to set in dialogues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   will continually good two sentences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   together with a comma which is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   done for painting but it drives me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   insane with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:58   well that she's a she's a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2698">TS</a>]

00:44:59   writer and and with the exception of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02   comma splices which I I think you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:03   be able to forgive as a style choice he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:06   received overly intention language so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   that way there's no way and editors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   gonna let that many of them go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   it's like yeah you're doing comma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   splices but really I got to talk to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   Grossman about his book to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   I don't get ready first-time novelists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20   who are very few with this beauty that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:23   um what's the one who wrote the hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:26   thousand kingdoms NK jemisin yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   yes i returned to you for all the names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   you always i mentioned how much I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   the book on Twitter and lisas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   spangenberg who's an author and editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37   she went with her friend she said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   the book was actually workshop not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:42   nanowrimo but on what's called aww is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   author's forum that people use and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   was apparently great participate in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   and listen to suggestions and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   incredibly generous with her time now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:54   after the book is coming out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   interesting that it just it has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   sense of having been you know you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   it's someone's fourth book but the IMF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:02   is the first she wrote you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:03   sometimes people have the first as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:04   all know first and second in the drawer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   the third is the first one is published [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:07   but it does feel like a mature novelist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   so I read a criticism of this book from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12   somebody just you know people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:13   internet people who don't like this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   seemed to not like it because they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16   well it's all just descriptions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19   things and nothing much happens because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   it was so much the scribing of items and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:25   the colors and and details of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:30   like so basically can help this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   I'll say is if if what you're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   for out of a novel is a series of plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:36   if pot points and events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   yes this book might disappoint you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   little bit because because a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42   a lot of it not all that there is a plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   there is there is a lot of flavor club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   but there's a lot of like there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   of describing of the scene and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49   fantastical setting and instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:52   saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:53   suffice it to say it's a magic circus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:54   now let's get down to the business of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   the plot of the thing that didn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   what I like too much about it is is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:01   it's very atmospheric and it treats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   magic as something that is special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:06   yeah and and precious right so you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   many of these fantasy books read magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   is just part of you ever get out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   magic there's magic guy who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:15   it makes me i'm still a teenager and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17   still a bit of an ass but I in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:21   it's like it's magic it's it's magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:24   there's no other way to describe it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:25   just like when I was as i was reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   and I am known not to like an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   fiction but I felt it made me feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:32   a kid again reading a book which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:35   great kind of feeling to have right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   that it's fantastical like that yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:40   magic is special and when they do it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:41   weird and elemental and and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:46   it's whimsical and sometimes it's scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   but it's never it's never pedestrian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51   it's never boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   it's only it's always hoggin all with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55   their match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:55   or something you know yeah the magic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   magical excited me a little bit of uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:00   know a lot of people talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   prestige which is a a book and a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   set in sort of Victorian England but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:07   one that reminds me a little bit more as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   they came around the same time as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10   movie called The Illusionist with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:11   normal which also has a beautiful it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:15   extremely atmospheric movie I highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:19   recommended by the way it's out it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   actually very clear those movies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   under all those movies are good they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:23   very different as an illusionist yes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26   reminds me more of this be its own the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:29   illusionist is also more of a love story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   first edition arguably you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:33   there's something funny i was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:34   the book and I couldn't put my finger on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   what made it seem familiar and after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   while I realized it reminded me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   moby-dick which may sound ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   this is the descriptions no prescription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   is very well and and I really got me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:48   the it that richness is that people read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   you know I'm sure we'll have to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   in high school and i'm reading a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:53   school thing is the most boring thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54   which everyone does then i read it as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   adult discovered Moby Dick is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:57   hilarious if you're not reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   tendentious Lee and analyzing everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   it's a hilarious book but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   every chapter and all the descriptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   of the obtaining of the spur bassetti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   and all the rest of it it's it builds up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   this incredibly rich picture building up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   this inventory in the storehouse of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   mind into which then the story unfolds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   and it's a you know weird literary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   convention not to make away with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:18   felt she did parts of that is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   interleaved the narrative so it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   purely descriptive but there is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   it that was building up this storehouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:25   the powder keg of all these forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   arrayed in a lot of detail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   background stories and then at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   it's just explosion explosion explosion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:33   explosion but you understood it all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:36   that bigger context she created i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   the moment in this book where r2 r2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:42   participants finally really come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   together which involves a torrential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   downpour and a magic umbrella you stole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:50   the scene right from my mouth that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   probably like oh it's beautiful is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   fantastic memorable scene and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:58   there aren't that many bits of all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   it does a great job of ratcheting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   up without spelling everything out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04   there's still some suspense at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   of it they have now identified each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:07   other but and he invites her fridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   drink right and then she goes maybe some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   other time and then disappear that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   a great if you could sort of it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:16   you know the balance doesn't tip right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   in one direction or the other it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   of not even if anything that's the scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:21   that the levels it and i think one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   the things I really liked about this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   some ways that I you know I realized i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   found myself anticipating and seeing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   lot of the plots points coming but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   not i think there's an amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   predictability in certain books that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   not necessarily a bad thing and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   kind of reassuring it's like putting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   puzzle together when you kind of know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:40   what the picture is supposed to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:43   there's a certain joy in revealing it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:45   you go in finding out how those pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   together right so I i think that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   for me like I could see how some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:52   these things were progressing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:53   there's a satisfaction in in seeing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   come together the way that you expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   absolutely and to the description note i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:00   would say that those individual tense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:03   within the circus are so fantastical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:06   that the description like I'm i am anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:09   Charles Dickens because of his excessive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11   description but that said like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:14   description of each of the tents and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   they work and you know all this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   is ice and this one is clouds this does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   this reminds me there's a I'm san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   Francisco has a has a night truck thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:27   that happens basically twice a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   three times a year Brooklyn has this as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   well and I think it originated in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:32   Brooklyn where it's just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   theater people rent boxcar trucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:37   make fantastical elements within them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:41   and i actually got to go to one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   last year and like they're all cut like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   I felt very similar reading this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:47   and like looking at the the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:48   tents to actually go to the get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:51   boxcar the evening market because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:55   the truck was like one of the trucks i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   went to was a Brigadoon library only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   appears once every hundred years or once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   every yeah once every hundred years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:03   then there was one where they did items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:07   in liquid nitrogen and then they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   smash them so it's like it's all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   you know the mix of the fantastical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:13   me and the Jermaine and I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:17   was just having having had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:18   experience I think it made the novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   more interesting to me that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   multiple perspectives is is a great way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:26   to get you to see the circus because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:29   have the you know the story of sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   like you are entering the circus and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:34   you're seeing what's happening in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   circus from from this perspective that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   sort of outside and you've got the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   of the kid who is dared by his sister to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:44   break in to the circus when you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   supposed to go there and he and he meets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   a girl and she gives him something as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:51   proof and then he leaves and you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   well that's an interesting little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:54   but of course it's actually part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55   story and it's a different part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58   timeline so you are learning things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   you later on you you really started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   flipping back and forth like okay when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   you have you guys did that take place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   ok hold on it and it sort of starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07   dovetail right like towards the ethical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:08   look you look at the new music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   it gives you dates you're like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:11   blood date whatever its 1908 its unity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:14   through whatever and then you realize oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   Jesus the dates matter because this girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   that we met hasn't been born at well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   isn't that clever how they I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   bit about where maybe this happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   everyone knows about I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26   quarter of the third of the way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:27   and so then I'm like these people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   too old but with with a minute and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   right when you realize that then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:34   starts to reveal and then it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   thing and she sort of explains it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   is it's in there if you look as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   noticed it fairly early on that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:41   like you know we don't seem to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:44   know getting any older her its it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:47   to come in and you realize there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:48   something something very peculiar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   you have that terribly tragic scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   right with one of the twins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:53   oh gosh yeah doesn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:57   we just can't handle you know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   being so magical and mystical and ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   up you know more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   well she doesn't commit suicide but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   she's sort of drawn into sort of the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   entice to the later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   yeah right by a train because you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   at the proprietor as well of the certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:14   that the provider but the person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:15   produced the circus yeah yeah yeahs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   watch him slowly go insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21   it's it's kind of horrifying a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:24   all the background you have Prospero the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:27   enchanter and the enter enigmatic mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   and i love this mr. aah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:32   chef Victoria also very Victorian oh I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:36   love that is so the separation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:39   Prospero is Caelius father who he and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   she's delivered to him and he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   yeah I guess she's one of mine he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:45   realizes she's got magic energy is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   all right well that's good and uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   there's great stuff with him because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:52   know you could do this is a almost lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   kind of you know there's a abandoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:57   black man and white and they have a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   but goes on with the return but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   both kind of dicks like if they're bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   it's exactly yeah it's you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   that here and then prosper also you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   like oh he's magic and and he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   yeah but he kind of is trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   something to himself and he makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:12   everybody starts to disappear rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   that's the most beautiful thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   beautiful intelligent market when Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   asks like an amber necklace Ilya s Celia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:22   says what happened to your father he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   said well imagine what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:25   description was if you take a glass of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   wine and your crew and you remove the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   glass if you did that in a bowl of water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:32   it's one thing but if you do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:33   ocean it's another well he tried for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   ocean equipment like oh wow yeah and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:39   he's he's he's kind of a ghost now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   then mr. a you know eh ok under in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:45   common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:46   yeah Alexandra generates not and the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:49   know and they have their game that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   continues to go on and it's I i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:54   that and that again is a way where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:55   that's a thing we've seen before and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:58   it didn't feel like it kind of comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   drinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01   I mean in some ways it's it kind of ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   up being it's like nature versus nurture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   right is essentially a kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   they're arguing right is that we hit you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:10   know Alexander says I can pluck you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   someone out and more orphanage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   yeah and teach him magic and he will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   able to beat someone who you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   who is like naturally talented i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:21   pull this flower girl from in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   this offer house and the teacher how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   speak with great elocutionist well as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   think it's interesting because Prospero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:30   is basically arguing for magic as flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   to a certain extent basically using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   is really lush yeah we're at but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   entirety of the circus is in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:40   magic is flash but with very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   contours based on whether it's sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   his attraction or marcos attraction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:48   the beauty of this whole thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:49   you know as you see these two characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:50   collide and you realize that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:53   going to fall in love and you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   have that moment where where the old men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:58   who are playing a little game we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3418">TS</a>]

00:56:59   gonna be like no no no no no your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   opponent's you can't no no no no and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   that's it that's enjoyable to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   like know they're sorry guys we are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   love now you know that there is it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:14   you know to me it was one of those again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:15   one of those sort of predictable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:16   elements that I saw coming but still you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   know saver done the last was that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   one of you has to die right here like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:23   order for this game to end like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   in some ways I i was surprised that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   don't like that silly and Marco don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   put that together earlier but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:32   that's just because i'm reading reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:33   a book and I understand how books work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   right well they're under the impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   that there's some sort of resolution me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   a lot of this book involves them not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   knowing the rules and trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   out it is this a competition when does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   it happen is you know but it ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   being son of a collaboration and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   skirting around its any in a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   way out you know sort of collaborating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   on these wonders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:57   ya know I i will say I really dug it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:01   book i liked it i did like the like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:03   hint that mr. aah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:06   she is Merlin right like that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   yeah i also took that away at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10   there and yeah that was funny well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   also mr. a and doing this a long time he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   becomes less less and less offensive as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:17   he gets more and more engaged in what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   going on so so prosper becomes a dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:22   and sort of fades away while mr. H [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:24   becomes increasingly human and finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   as like almost too much sympathy for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28   it's a little unconvincing how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   sympathy he develops i would say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   the only false know it's very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:33   slight but i like the character I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   that last conversation with him and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   guess it's a good it's a lovely little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   scene there and he's still kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   jerk but you get the impression that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:42   he's just he's become so disillusioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   no pun intended with the entire yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:47   know the entire history of magic yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:49   I've been doing this looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:50   something new it's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:51   mmhmm yeah it's great so everybody it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   sounds like everybody has very positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   things to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:57   my-my thing about night circus is that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   would buy that and add it to my physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   book collection which is a phrase that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   do not give too many books nowadays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:06   especially those workbooks so so I it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:11   funny that you should say that I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   very limited number of things that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   recommend my wife is a librarian she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   read lots of books shirts shoes and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   Children's Library Association reads a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   lot of kids books so she can recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:22   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:23   she has a limited willingness to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:26   along with crazy books that i recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:27   so I try to I try to recommend her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   really good stuff and and i absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:32   and unabashedly recommended this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   and said you got to read this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   and and do it now and that so that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   equivalent of your in your endorsement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   if I might actually buy this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:41   put it on the Shelf like I i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44   went to trouble my wife and say no this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:47   one but of all these crazy books I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   you got to read this one I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   telling everyone they should go and buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:52   and read this book because it's the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:54   I think it's one of the most beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:54   books i read in the last several years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:57   wow it's very approach it's approachable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   it's painless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   it's painless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   but it's in it's cuz you know he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   my chicken it's like it's not over yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:03   is it requires you buy into a universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   dragon-like you just you can read here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   be dragons yeah you can read it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   enjoy it without having to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   learn foreign languages that are made up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   by the author right for instance Scott I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   thought it was i do agree i recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18   to my wife that she read it and uh huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:21   last night she was very tired so at ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:22   o'clock i said okay you should go to bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   i'm not tired so i will stay awake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27   so she took her kindle into the bedroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   and lay down and an hour and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:32   later I want past bedroom and the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   was on and she was reaching the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36   circus and I said I thought you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:39   going to sleep and she was like oh but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:40   only have seven percent left so the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:47   at this reminded me of more than any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:48   other we with the little time that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:51   got left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:52   I thought we talked about other badgett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   kind of things we want to bring up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   want to bring up Jonathan strange Mr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:57   Norrell which I think somebody mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   earlier by susanna Clark which is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:02   2004 also a period in England you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:07   19th century kind of story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:10   it's it's stylistically like that to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:15   know very Charles Dickens or or or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   guess austin and and I love that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:22   its enormous ism looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   yeah it might be difficult for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:25   people to get into because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:27   stylistic choices but i think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29   fantastic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:30   yeah it's got a little bit it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   like The Magicians to in a sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   there's a scary like it was like a fairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:35   realm that they go into but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:39   everybody in your game a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:42   it's like it's basically like a history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:43   book of things that never happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   yelling but it's also got strange whimsy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   and it like the fact dollar there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:49   magicians but they're not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   majority just suddenly ragic historians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   how would anyone ever do magic well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:58   if there's a way there's a weird sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   like there's a weird sort of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:02   drugs at the foot know what was there a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:05   lot of footnotes but there's a narrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:06   right there is a narrator who is not any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   of the characters know and who only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   occasionally just pops up and said yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:13   I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:13   splits or whatever in this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:14   you're like who is this huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:17   but like in kind of it kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:18   delightful way that never really i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   it's never really explained or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:22   acknowledge I thought it was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24   guys I said that actually is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:25   characters in the book is the narrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   Holly I all again i read it like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   Scott I don't know at all really long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   time ago but I just I like that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:32   it is it seems kind of separate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   ancillary well like the footnotes yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   this is one of those you know a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   page novel that I put out put a word in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:42   for a shorter novel the i recently read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44   which I know scott also read I which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:47   my kohls control point which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:51   interesting sort of modern urban fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   you might classify classified as but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   a lot of it is sort of military fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   because it basically involves a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   where people manifest magical powers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:03   the government sort of has put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:04   lockdown on this and so few manifest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:07   one of these prohibited schools of magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:08   you're essentially you know basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:11   imprisoned by the army and so the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:14   main character who is himself to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:15   a normal run-of-the-mill army soldier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   manifest in one of these schools and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   to decide whether he's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:21   basically go on the run from everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:22   that he used to know and a surprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:26   good book i had the pleasure of meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:27   Mike a conference here to put in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:30   Glenn moment and he's a super nice guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33   and a really really interesting fellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:36   who's currently living in a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:37   apartment so that he can eke out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   living as a writer but he's also way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:40   he's a military guy and so he has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:43   know he writes this from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   authoritative perspective but it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   surprisingly engaging and finance so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:49   would definitely recommend it so I I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:52   something about this book and and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   the thing that's weird about it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   called channel control yeah well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:59   call ended up as a it's definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01   series it's just the way the way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   marketed in the way they invented it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:04   feels like a video game spin-off or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:07   something which is what I was like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:08   was it feels like a franchise type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10   and it's and I think that's unfortunate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   in fact I was just looking at the he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   just put up on Twitter now and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   just put it by the British the UK cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19   for the book which i think is immensely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   better than the Americans probably would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   look and we didn't say it was supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   to have another day because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   I made him change whether i said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:28   know i was talking to Dan on twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:29   about this and I said yeah the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:30   much better than the cover and title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   would you lead you to believe and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:35   author said yeah the type that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36   supposed to be the title is supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:37   be a oh my goodness related some ladies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:40   was the name that he wanted to Layton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   right and instead it's generally not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43   waffle constraint right so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:46   they're clearly selling to a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:47   audience i think is the issue but i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:50   think that the British the British cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:51   looks a lot more serious and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:53   they drop drop the shadow ops part for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:55   that it's just called control point I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   which I still think is even better title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:59   than shadow puppets control point but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   your regardless of the cover and the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   the and the marketing I i think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:05   worthwhile read pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07   alright any other magical uh books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   you want to bring up with our remaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   time I don't give a quick shout out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   Joe Walton in general I just finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:17   reading among others a couple of moval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:19   which was beautiful and very well SH so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:22   Welsh rate very very adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:25   that's we mentioned it before it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   fantasy it's a fantasy book it is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   magic but it's also a but what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31   about as science fiction so it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:32   fantasy book about science fiction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34   there it but there is magic in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:36   she read sci-fi novels and yeah so lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:39   of scifi own now modely obsessed with go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:42   Walton so I watched a an hour-long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:45   interview with her and the interviewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   asked her did you watch it through like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   a one-day hockey it wasn't really an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   interview I was just stalking her for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   hour and she's so the interview after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:56   all you're gonna write a sequel to among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   others and Joe Walton said I she first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:02   explain her writing process where she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:04   gets contracted to write a book she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06   starts writing it and she gets bored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:07   with it write another book and says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:08   here's the book I wrote not the one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:10   contract before which i think is great i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:13   think also not uncommon for many credits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:16   so she said what i could write a sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   to it but the only story I want to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:19   is about when the main character ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:23   on the moon and that's a 35 years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:26   now and in order to write that book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:27   would have to create all the science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:30   fiction novels that she read over those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:31   35 years so I'm just not going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:34   alright well i have had a magical time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   discussing this with all of you as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:39   podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40   yeah yeah no that wasn't good so so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:43   wrap up the magicians by lev grossman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   kinda got some interesting things in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:48   but sounds like that the consensus is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:51   pretty flawed and problematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:54   yeah yeah yeahs submissions it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   issued a wheel the Night Circus by Erin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4017">TS</a>]

01:07:02   Morgenstern I everybody seems to love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:06   up it isn't going on my shelf once i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   have shelves to put things apart right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   bad as a ringing endorsement and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:14   the other stuff among others Jonathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:15   strange and mr. Durrell and shadow ops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:18   contratto ops control point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:21   alright so we're going to close up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   the incomparable club for now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:27   know what our next book selection is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:29   going to be although the hugo nominees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   should be coming out shortly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:33   they're not out as you listen to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:35   podcast so perhaps we will target some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:38   of those next I went so well last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   that will do it yeah well you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:43   that that's equal to feed dominated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45   God it can be anything worse than I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:49   be there higher from this podcast if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   thats nomination ah so I've Jason I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:54   I'll step up all read them all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:56   something to read except every feedlot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:57   yeah well you were your smartermail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59   reading you will be dilated are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   asterisk at hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   it's all acceptable but so so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:08   a a an incomparable book club devote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:11   what I would say is watch our Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13   feed or sign up for our Goodreads group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:16   and we will notify you through those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:19   mechanisms about what our next book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:23   selection will be yes and it in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:26   the meantime read a Jonathan strange mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:29   Durrell or shadow ops control point or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:33   among up you can get Jonathan strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:34   for three bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:35   look at that and it's like a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   patients the because your page of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   deal is midnight blowing unbelievable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:44   but I'm tapping amazon now i'm topping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   amazon right now we are where we sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:50   weapons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:50   some copies of Jonathan strange & Mr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   Norrell race true what does it take me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   to get you into this novel Dan because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   what are you gonna take you to throw in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:59   a spare tire mileage level your test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:02   drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:03   throw in some plots that's what huh oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:06   there we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:06   one click for me i'm done the test drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:10   is the sample the kindle sample [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:11   literally wrote some plots extra and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:17   some formats right given NY minimized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19   and how about some footnotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:20   oh all the footnotes in Jonathan strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:24   mr. oh come from if you have been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:27   if she knows that would draw you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:30   drive you a little bit nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:31   yeah do we fade slowly after a fortune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:34   without realizing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:35   no no I'm I'm I'm position to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37   goodbye actually so until then whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:41   that time is when we reconvene the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   incomparable club i would like to thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   my book club participants for again a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:47   delightful and magical time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:49   serenity called well thank you very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:51   for joining us from your floating carpet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53   high above Los Angeles where you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:56   currently living with your magical cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   thank you and hopefully i will magically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:01   be in boston the next time we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:02   book club podcast that's not use magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   because that would be a lot faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06   driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:07   yes that's how i'm getting there in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09   days but excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   I Glenn fleischmann from his uh his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:14   bunker in Seattle but right in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:17   there's a door that goes to fillory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4217">TS</a>]

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01:12:12   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbsLihQ/4332">TS</a>]

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