00:00:06 ◼ ► the incomparable podcast number 87 april [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/6">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► welcome back to the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/15">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► and this week we have a theme we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► because you know dragons are common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/23">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► feature of fantasy literature and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/26">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► find them in science fiction to they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/28">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► seem to be this month MacGuffin but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► this common thread that no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► else you find a fat fantasy world can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/35">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► dragons or gonna be disappointed and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► all-powerful but they seem to be a key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► element that that uh travels through so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► many different fantasy novels and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/46">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► long history as well so we thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► Lisa Schmeisser my co-hosts assemble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► elisa I Lisa and I were talking after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/53">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► McCaffrey died who is the author of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► dragonriders of Pern series of novels on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/59">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► didn't read that series and a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/65">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► of it long ago but it got us talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► about the fact that dragged into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/69">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► common theme we like to talk about big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/71">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► issues on the cobbles so we thought we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/72">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► would we would talk dragons there be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/74">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► dragons this episode so we brought in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► Torrey Smith welcomed or e2 incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► hello what hello and Sarah Barbara hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/83">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► were heading to having major fuckup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► thanks for coming on so we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/88">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► talk about big themes and specifics to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► because there's so much to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/93">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► with dragons and Lisa you wish before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► the podcast Lisa you're saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/97">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► consciously looked for any dragon themed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► fantasy since about ninth grade but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► I learned that anne mccaffrey had died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► in i believe was november last year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► was still very affected by it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► our dragonriders of Pern series was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► something that provided with hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/118">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► entertainment and daydreaming from about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/121">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► fourth grade to eighth grader so and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► when an author who shapes that much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► your free time during adolescence dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► it obviously has an effect on you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► actually prompted by her death I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► back and reread many of the books in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/138">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► well I recommend that the interesting i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► read them through adult eyes and I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► them coming from the perspective of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► and it was interesting to note what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► held up and and what absolutely does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► haha yeah i feel we should give mcafee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► her props because she really did help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► break open the door for women in science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/160">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► fiction a lot of ways I mean she I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► she was one of the first woman to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► um I have to be I'm not on that up my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► rewards baidu Murder She the the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► that she said her first step series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► protagonist and that it's a woman who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► was doing this was kind of a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► the time and her non dragon work is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► pretty was pretty groundbreaking to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► there's a series that starts a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► yeah where were they take the brain of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► they take the brain of the terminally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/195">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► lady they stick in a ship and from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► splits it leave it it's a classic riff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► on a trip that you saw a lot in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► period because I can also remember i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► think a ray bradbury or Harlan Ellison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► story about an autistic person who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► sent to explore another planet and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► argument was well since their brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► processes things differently they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► able to their able to parse the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► from different planets more effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/217">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► than humans and robots can so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► clearly the idea that differently abled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► people could bring experiences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► perspectives to the table that humankind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► could use and therefore their valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/226">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► through science fiction the sixties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► embroidered it turned into an epic space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► um but looping back to the Dragons of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► is painfully evident she was never a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► oh yeah oh well and and the unfortunate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► thing is I i did trained as a biologist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► LOL well the thing is if she mentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► all up in McCaffrey's planet all of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► dragons teleport and someone wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► ask for water the Dragons go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/260">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► bathroom she goes well they obviously go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► to the bathroom and the teleportation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/263">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► avoid so nobody ever has to show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/264">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► medicine and bearing in mind when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/266">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► in sixth grade and skipping out cat's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/270">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► litter boxes i thought this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► thing all be hard it's it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► telepathic best friend you never have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► clean up after and it will love me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► lima over the planet mom because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► don't want is your buddy all you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► do your dream especially picked but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► you read this is somebody who's an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► and who has you know taking psychology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► courses and all I could think was that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► an awful lot of biomass that's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► deposited to avoid the most kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► closed system so basically the depleting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► the planet over time with dragon poop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► how's that sustainable this is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► phosphorus on that planet anymore it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► boron is the thing that she's decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► use it also makes no sense i looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/308">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► and she thought she was the first woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/312">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► to win any nebula of any kind and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/313">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► first woman to win the hugo there yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/316">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah she was groundbreaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► and you know when again as an adolescent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► in the early eighties when a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/324">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► very visible space and fantasy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► are exposed to primarily male like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► Hamid or the lord of the rings or on TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► there with star blazers or star trek to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► have this world where you know women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► were effectively running the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► could impress these huge dragons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► have adventures and and become equal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► men that was tremendously exciting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► it wasn't until much much later that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► really really well but then I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/350">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► that really the dragons are just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► giant wish-fulfillment machines they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/353">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► yeah there's not a whole lot of cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► resonance but you know as a book series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/361">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► it's something that you know I what some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► kids go through horse faces i went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► through dragonface i noticed we have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/367">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► know what kind a few different authors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/368">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► in our list year were compiling series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► and a lot of them are female authors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► I've wondered if that's I mean this end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► and writing in that period of time into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► the essence of the most notable Ursula K [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► Le Guin dragons are a key theme in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► RC novels which I remember reading as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► kid and just loving and then she did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► this amazing thing where she completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/389">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► wreck on her history with the other wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► which is a beautiful book and strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► and different sort of recast all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► thinking about her work from 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/399">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► before and then there's the Temeraire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► series by naomi is lasting a blanking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/403">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► the moment and think no Vic isn't it yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/406">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► sochi in the temperature is modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► and she's still writing entries in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► but you know I don't want to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/413">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► this like you know our dragons if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► girl thing and I don't know what our boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► thing bombs or something but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► else is science fiction rings and swords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► everything else getting everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/424">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► science explains he's a guy I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► but rocket but it's a you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► it's a right but you know there's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/431">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► there's title hopes exactly there's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► I'm i think is a funny thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► dragons that was at their their giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► like overpowering force you know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► wondering if there's a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/441">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► between the way the little kids love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► dinosaurs and the way fantasy novelist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► I think it's not just set vanishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/447">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► almost love them but readers loves them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/450">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► vampire books and sadly unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► why do we have to try empire drag my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► dragons yes that's repeatability we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► could spend a billion dollars sparkling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/469">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► yeah there's nothing more magical about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► dinosaurs sell because actually this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► right so it's sort of Komodo dragons you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/478">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► know it's that we have quoted dragons at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/483">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► the local zoo here in Seattle I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/484">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► take my children verifying yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► thing is you walk into the Komodo dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/488">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► enclosure where children were small go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► in there and the kids are cluster on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► glass and the Komodo dragons are looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/493">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► at them like I'm gonna eat that one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► that one they don't hide don't hide it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► like not going in there anymore so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/498">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► there's that primal thing is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► how many things are bigger than human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► beings that aren't you know there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/504">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► big cats there's elephants that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/505">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► there threatening a certain way but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► you know the Komodo dragon is freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► enormous and crazy and you're like but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► know there's a great Bitan cryptonomicon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► where one of the characters i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► supposed to be in world war two with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► Japanese soldier is like washed ashore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/519">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► on some Island is part of the convoluted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► plot netbook ACCC's Komodo dragons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/523">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► one comes out like it's one of the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/526">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► he's with and they're thinking they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► lost their minds because they never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► anything like this before but I there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/531">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► powerful and they're often magic they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► can teleport or they in the tremor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► the you know they obviously can't fly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► violation of laws of physics but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/545">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► also have here they can speak from birth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/546">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► or even while they're in the egg so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/549">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► what if there's a theme there that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► dragon journey for communication miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► tonight again with the burn things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► went in the cafe decide to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/558">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► geneticist go in and engineer them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► they're telepathic and she did in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► engineer also builds in a failed state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/567">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► that the Dragons have to find a human to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► whom will be subordinate otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► fail-safe is because the last thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/574">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► want is an independently thinking alpha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► predator uncontrolled rampaging this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/577">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► um but the magic element I i wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/580">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► it has something to do with the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/586">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► that dragons are so ubiquitous in human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► cultures and have been since bc times i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/590">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► remember reading an article in The New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/593">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► York Times a couple years ago that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/594">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► Antarctica every single almost every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► continent has a civilization that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► had dragons as part of its mythology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► lower creation story and one person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► the arising that this is because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/608">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► dragon is essentially an amalgamation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/610">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► a bear you know in terms of the body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► size proportion and of Reptoids like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► snakes and Komodo dragons and of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► cats and those are the kind of predators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► that were most likely to pick off for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► fish ancestors and so if this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► amalgamation of alpha predators that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► kill us has been in our subconscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► since we were preferable dragons our way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/629">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► that we ve atmosphere and and try to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/632">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► to turn to something divine I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► some of our will old myths are very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► you know they indicate this as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► because like all the old myths are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► they're here they're scary and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► to be defeated like st. george of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► Dragon and you know the the myth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/649">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► Fafnir in Norse mythology but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► recent stories about dragons are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/653">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► dragons are friendly you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► dangerous but you can make friends with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► them and get them to fly around places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► that's it's good it's funny that bonding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► thing to its you know if you are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► Temeraire Series last year we should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► could talk about some specifics at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/668">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► temporaries I quite like I picked up i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► think amazon had like a free the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► novel as a free kindle book or it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► incredibly cheap and I looked at reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/676">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► I'm like I don't want to drag in novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► and short can be awful and some dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► at the time of Lord Nelson and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► using military campaigns ridiculous and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► i started reading it and it's fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► I'm not like a Napoleonic war guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► not even the period novel person it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► it's a beautiful book and the the it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► it presents an entirely realistic world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► in which you know it's like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► great starter life like Night Live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► sketch of your scale which is this what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► if series is what if Caesar and had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Piper Cub the intonation Caesar drop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► what sort of my record what if what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► Nelson army and Napoleon had dragons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► what it reads like them is you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/717">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► real military battle she thought out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► you would have military engagements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► among you know a lot about a dragon some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/722">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► which can breathe fire and they can fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/725">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► and you have the outfit the dragons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► like ships so they have these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/729">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► strapped with carabiners all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► dragon and harnessed so they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► engaging and you know they disengaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► your hand and combat in the air and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► it's really quite lovely but the they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► relationship as this was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► with the bonding in the dragonriders of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► clearly playing towards that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/749">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► Dragons bond even in the egg I think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► someone and that person is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/753">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► ruined in society so the flyers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► consumption they have to live out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/758">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► middle of nowhere with the Dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/759">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► they're basically I kind of a band so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► the story of the novel start with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► fellow is authorized the apple tree and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► has no interest in being a dragonrider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/768">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► they manage to steal an egg from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► French that the Chinese are given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► french for some Imperial Dragon and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/773">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► so he has to leave this whole career so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► it's it's very moving and they develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/780">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► this very touching relationship in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► dragon is incredibly smart and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► every three of the novel's now and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► surprised every time I pick it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► like really i'm reading this and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► know it's it's um it's lovely stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► Sarah do you have a favorite to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► oh i have to admit i actually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► really picked up my and efficacy read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► was one of the first sort of dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► books that i read and i I've kept my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► copy to the years and they were very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► well and I i have to agree that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/808">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► the dragonriders of Pern serious did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► wear nearly falling from i started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► rereading the the dragonriders of Pern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► the the one with lesson Jackson then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► characters just didn't really behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► quite like I remember them but no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► no it's it's so unfortunate because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► love them so much when I was like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► old and then there's like portion has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► like the the romance of riding a horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/838">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► I don't know the reality of riding horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► is actually very often and once they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► don't think the reality of taking care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/846">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► of a horse I bet your partner practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/847">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► part of the problem is to is again when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► you read these books through the 21st [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► century perspective these characters or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► either very poorly served by the author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/854">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► was a mccafe really seems to have it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► simultaneously awesome insufferable um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► and the men are just as high-handed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► bossy you snobs maybe it's except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/866">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► the very select few and the way she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/870">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► writes gay men is just the way she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► raised the game is just a hate crime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/875">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► well II and again we should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► give her credit for incorporating them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► as healthy functioning matter-of-fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► members in a society because that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/886">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► pretty rare in the sixties and seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/889">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► and and to be honest i missed it when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► first started reading the books as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/894">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► fourth and fifth grader it wasn't until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/895">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► like the penny dropped during puberty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/896">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► that I'm like hey wait a minute and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/898">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► know so credit McCaffrey for being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/902">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► to write it in that way but then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► you go back and again you read the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/905">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► is this man does dismount the dragon he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/911">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► pisses off a dragon it's making yeah i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► i'm not a game of thrones watcher but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► understand other dragons and game is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► thrown in there are a game of thrones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► yeah there's some there are definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/925">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► dragons and they're not as they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► really characters per se i feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► they're more plot points the the exiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/932">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► queen and spoiler by the way I'm wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/935">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► so she has these three dragon eggs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► she gets as a present when she gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/949">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► married and after her husband dies she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/950">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► put them in the fire and they like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► they've been stone forever and put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/956">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► in the fire husband's funeral pyre and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► they emerge and they the first time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/961">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► anybody seen dragons in the world for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► like hundreds of years and so is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► the symbol of her old family so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► like she's coming back her family's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► coming back into power and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► Dragons for it like a herald of that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► i have to say the dragons are not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► they're talking about a lot but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► not much as characters in the game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/984">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► thrones like Harry Potter or two is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► know you have all the dragons throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/989">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► harrypotter but they're not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/990">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► that interesting there's sort of plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► devices and they don't have they seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► be kind of dumb beasts I i like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► they're basically the fantasy equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► of the Yellowstone wolves because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► know the u.s. Park Service has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► involved in improving the wolves in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► Yellowstone and tracking them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► studying them and basically you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► bunch of wizards who are or who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► magical ecologists and their job is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► identify always different species of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► dragons and keep them on a preserve and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► monitor their well-being and make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► extinction abuse and I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► just a wonderful colorful detail on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► books that you know they don't learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► rigorous science at Hogwarts but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► certainly do practice a sort of ethology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► ecology and I thought that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► that's agree that's very funny I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► thought about the way it's true it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► end what you contribute to the dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► Restoration Fund only three galleons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► two signals will feed the dragon 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► minutes possibly disorder one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► favorite um one of my favorite discworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► books is guards guards and it's the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► that introduces a character who arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► has become the moral linchpin of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► discworld universe i'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► terry pratchett discworld but in guards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► guards what happens is somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► wants to take over as cities throne [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► summons a dragon from the dimensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► wizards and exiled them and naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► the dragon then becomes the king of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► city but the citizen at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► there's also the won't you donate to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► in the discworld society matrons instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► of breeding horses and dogs actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► breathe miniature dragons and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► pedigrees for them in shows but the joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► themselves up because they're their body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► chemistry is so volatile it every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► they try to set something on fire they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► end up exploding oh dear the discworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► book is another one that points out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► um you know that the kid that the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► of dry dragons as part of a magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► ecology and the difference between you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► know tiny pet miniature swamp dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► and the real live magical I can take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► over your mind and I happen to live in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► different dimension because I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► stand humanity you know mythical beasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► dragons are always it's like a genie or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► something i always only solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► depending on the book but they're often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► like only slightly under control and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► they could in a moment you know p.m. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► world-spanning destroying beast or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► least wipe out some cities all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► that were talking about like we all seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► to be referencing stuff that was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► um and I was wondering if if the dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► moment has passed or dragons are or are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► not trendy right now and if that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► reflection of water pop culture or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► this is a reflection of the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► well I think too that mean there's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► temporary series i don't think is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► like wild bestsellers I think they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► done well in the family she's written a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► center seventh or eighth book now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► they have certainly done at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► reasonably well and the eragon series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► which I have not read by christopher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► paolini i think is a pressing the names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► right and easy then he started like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► says 17 or something and yeah he was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► was 14 I think and I've read some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► dialogue and it's sort of extra couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► but you know it's been sort of it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► sort of genre but how many books is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► into four or five and it's come to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► conclusion of the of the arc so it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► be more I mean it's kind of costco thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► it's like you have a hundred different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► dragon story is going on her to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► big ones but I feel like they've kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► dropped out of consciousness they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► to become a plot device opposed to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► driving force as much maybe in fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► and it's become more sophisticated a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► magic is a big thing you read everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► you do with fantasy now has to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► uncomfortable so you know to book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► universe there Harry Potter world is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► about these sort of intricacies of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► spells interactions of spells and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► like that I wonder if that's if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► sort of i'm walking as replace the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► giant rampaging Beast excision repair I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► think you just want my mind glad I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► trying I'm trying to think if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► some sort of larger societal parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► aware because we're heading into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► information society our fantasy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► beginning to reflect that bias similarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► uh you know it's like the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► vampires should become protagonist they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► were always you know the other yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► mean it's no dragons are not becoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► yeah I mean there's nothing of the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► thing like their movies in which dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► like even schrack you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► dragon is evil and 7600 you're a lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► dragon oh you're in love with a donkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► sweet pretty sweet that there was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► surprise but do you know or the wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► how to train your dragon yeah it was is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► someone to motor Dragonheart i'm not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► can't think of all the movies that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► dragons and then we'll get the hobbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► coming up soon to the two-part Hobbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► will have small dragon was the dragon of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► my channel done over everybody's I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► there's no way to make him nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► cuddly no definitely not ya gonna bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► that know what's funny is an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► read Tolkien like I remember reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► hop into the hobbit and you read Lord of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► the Rings doesn't really have you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► the horrible creatures that the Black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► Riders their beasts that are some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► of evil stench Aryan thing but but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► the silmarillion has some drag incident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► they do crazy things like hypnotize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► people for the rest of their lives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► so forth with always occupying halls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► there's things like that that was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► think I never understood about fairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► tales was why would dragons want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► something as mundane as occupy Castle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► you're a dragon you have unlimited power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► when they get out of hoarding all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► I mean don't go shopping with it what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► do is it requested to ask you earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► is there a dragon if affinity you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► some particular novel series that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► affected you that you like to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► actually I never would have a dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► phase as such was more like things i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► like just happen to have dragons in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► a lot of things like just happen to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► oh maybe it's just that i read in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► mccaffrey at exactly the right point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► yeah when dragonsong & Dragons singer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► you know and mentally her just hit me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► just the right point in high school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► oh ok how much troubled history today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► and McCaffrey podcast I dreamed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► having only one had ever read her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► together one of her novels when I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► kid but it was but it was that girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► anything right a McCaffrey was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► that girls red and it was an acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► form of fantasy and i was reading sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► of Shannara which was something also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► that girls on a red but it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► like that was acceptable to go out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► sword book and the girls had the dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► book and feel like there's used to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► split like that partly the portrayal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► dragons to was like no boy these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► going to go around reading Twilight she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► said yeah I'm sure there are some but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► yeah that's right now the region and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► also sure he's too sensitive caring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► sensitive caring vampires isn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► it's either conventional wisdom were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► published studies that point out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► girls are much more willing to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► books with male protagonists boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► typically do not pick up books with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► female protagonists right and with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► McCaffrey ye novels that lead into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► dragonsong dragon senior dragon drums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► for the first to the protagonist is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► always a young woman is trying to break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► into a male-oriented profession so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► that's not going to provide an entryway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► for young men and then with the adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► fare which is dragonflight and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► empty million dragon tales that came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► after it again these inverse to UM that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► much of the action centers around women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► who are writing gold dragons and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► i'm sure guys read those because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► go through / fan forums there are plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► of guys who are weighing in on the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► but I do wonder if you're 14 year old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► boy or like why don't care about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► now there's some other stuff that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► she says she said her some more vampire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► yeah and I knew it's a yeah it's um you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► know so I want everything to be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► dragon unicom unicorn paradox which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► you know unicorns of course to attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► unicorn i was talking about somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1498">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► recently and I said you know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► attract unicorn and they said no and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► said well I understand mythology right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► near the young female version no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► else maybe what I need a virgin universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► doesn't even know if he wasn't female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► virtually championship assumed i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► you could be you could be an ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► male or female version 2 is true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► there's that sort of you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► virginal purity and you have to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► woman you know there's that scene if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► remember in the mortadella Arthur but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► add what's the the Arthur or 30 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► retelling once and future king is it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► well remember that terrible everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► goes all you have to describe i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► describe four meters bring in brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► terms but the kids from the Orkneys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► including Arthur's to the Sun bastard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► son they go off hunting a unicorn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► they sort of what they capture young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► woman they tired of the trees they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► attract unicorn and then they kill it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► you bring its head back to their mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► is Morgan favorite is the mother in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► alright yeah yeah and they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► horrified I mean she's evil herself but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► is more fighting this and is that always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► that notion of you kill a unicorn it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► everywhere else you're taking some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► of purity and beauty of the world nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► thinks that way about dragons accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► the discworld the whole way that started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► up in once and future king was that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► gals going out with night from the court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► and she was portraying the virgin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► you know what you're supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► well of course they're not catching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► anything yes well she's got four sons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► but the kids see this and they think oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► mom must really want a unicorn right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► they think they're doing something for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► mom it's kind of heartbreaking it i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► about to say that the the relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► between orgasms her son's is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► most heartbreaking things you're reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► I mean th weight pulls no punches when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► he shows how toxic or absent love from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► parent can really really warm a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► for life and the people who do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► deliberately to their children are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► it's yes it's angry and heartbreaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► that's right the dysfunctional family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► told in Arthurian legend it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► there's a good recommendation is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► recognition for an uplifting novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► though it's great but it's fun it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► perfect best casting margarita broadcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► 1i in on that one I can talk about are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► three-inch never will get it will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► you back for r 3 and r 3 legends coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► soon I'm comfortable here is enough the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► others a million things to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► Excalibur the movie but the but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► unicorn think so that you know unicorns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► are always supposed to be pure and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► always thought that was kind of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► funny thing because you have the again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► you know whether it's a female or girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► thing that the interest in dragons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► the Spanish novels with dragons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► sci-fi novels with dragons and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► unicorn we don't get novels written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► about you ? coins are boring it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► of like heaven as an afterlife sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► I've got the harp and the wings now what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► am I supposed to be doing your are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► living in perfect bliss is right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► that's for that say yes something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► okay I got you record and i have i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► a slight it's funny you mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► though because one of the things I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► stick in RR pre-show notes in Gabrielle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► case for his fantasy epic the field of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► our tapestry which is made up of three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► separate novels on the longest road the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► wandering fire and the summer tree and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► just name them in reverse order by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► way I'm anyway there are two instances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► of dragons in that series and the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► is a dragon that was read by the forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► of darkness and has been biding its time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► for thousands of years and is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► basically mindless killing machine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► then there's a second dragon and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► dragon that's definitely made of crystal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► but the thing is um it is apparently the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► civilization this this this civilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► the dragon into worship her in a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► kind of Episcopalian way where they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► have really nice public spaces and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► make statues and then just go about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► their daughters business but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► dragons obviously supposed to represent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► some sort of civilizing force and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► the course of the massive three-book war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► it's evident that the two dragons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► supposed to be headed for a showdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► but what happens instead is some young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► upstart takes his unicorn uses it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► kill a dragon instead so the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► themes colliding also its a spoiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► but the series is like 30 years old so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► you deserve to be spoiled if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► interesting because they use the unicorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► in a purely Marshall sense throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► that entire series where the unicorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► descends from whatever divine plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► happens to have lift on it bonds with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► this one young boy and all they do is go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and kill things I mean he writes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► basically a living sword he kills things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► and that he comes home wipes off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1798">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► blood hangs with the uniform until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► ya know horrible and we that is in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► but it's all absolutely recommend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► the fan of our tapestry it is i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► did i put in like the new the new canon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► Tom it's one of the two it's one of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► badass unicorns in fantasy literature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► and it won't be gaudy or from metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► angles so Marie O'Keefe books I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► gaudy or shows up in a swiftly tilting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► planet which is the third of the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► about meg and Charles Wallace and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► going off of memory here because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► haven't read this book site remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► other ways he stern as opposed to evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► right is nice but he's a badass i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► nonsense whatsoever and there is a scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► where is the birth of a unicorn but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► basically Madeleine L'Engle on her whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► otherworldly and they symbolize justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► and the fearlessness and the pitiless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► sometimes right and again it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► militant almost warrior like unicorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► that's attracted to young women who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► would mysteriously have never had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► boyfriend and you know what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► professionalizing Peter friend who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► killer unicorn university i started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► reading one like a short story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► where the unicorns are all deadly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► hunted and they have been up in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► fangs and they like to kill people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► there are telepathic people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► bonded to unicorns and it's the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► hilarious i thought it was like a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► story because it seems so absurd but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► think she now has I'm understand for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► website but she has for such as two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► books out but there's some other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► coming out looks like as well as two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► short works into a long work so i must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► read this now i think i think killer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► unit mornings are the new like the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► look we have met the dragon they are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► do they fly that's always the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► you request you know some unicorns are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► also winged horses as it's not me some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► pic it was a pickled pigs and record all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► that's weird out of the title of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► episode the pegacorn sorry you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► so quiet have we have we just gibberish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► average you out of existence i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► mean I've been very quiet because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► haven't read any of the things you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► are discussing and I my one unicorn book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► in front of his is a brusque ovals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► influence the unicorns which is a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► adult novel you might remember bruce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► coville from my teacher is an alien same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► no no I don't know I don't always work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► what's so hat is so as fantasy or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► this is both an alias you definitely it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► so definitely definitely sort of fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► young adult fantasy sci fi am so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► in Atlanta horns is actually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► that almost a dark fantasy of unicorns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► we're gonna be no there's some good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► unicorns therapist and bad unicorns but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► it's it's kind of fascinating because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► young girl gets pulled into the length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► unicorns and she has to defeat the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► unicorns with the help of the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► unicorns and isn't very dark for for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► apple for 12 year old but it lasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► unicorns are not quite the subject of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► this podcast so well it's funny I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► we have the unicorn dragon dialectic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► aerate the the battlements we are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► first it's the battle between the forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► but even that's I think that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► I've been trying to figure out this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► we started talking with the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► while ago is is you know it is it plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► a convenient plot device you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► archetype temple thing that's deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► rooted in our brains for some reason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► know unicorns also seem to be all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► the place and they're in across there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► sort of a common trope to and if dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► disappeared we get more unicorns they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► start populating the universe more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► don't know maybe goes it with the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► big information society type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► where there's no longer huge frontiers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► to team with big myth with big dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► animals that could kill you and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► now got to the point where we're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► to coexist with the species that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► still left in a highly regulated world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► I mean you think about we we we live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► a world where TV show is just shut down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► because three brace horses were died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► during the filming of the episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► intensely pedigreed show on HBO i'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► Dustin Hoffman was in it and it had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► great cast and David melt was behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► is generally top of the field but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► because it was a show about horses at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► I'm over the course of filming the 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► episodes that will make up the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► three different horses had to be put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► no dear and it's raised a lot of well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► it's it's raised questions that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► have been asking for years about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► moral and ethical obligations of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► animals for entertainment and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► as a society first-world Westerners are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► kind of moving into a new phase of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► relationship with animals we no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► regard them as beasts of burden and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► and as food and as a commodity to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► bred and used as we please where we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► now beginning to get to the point were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► actively concerned about the emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► lives of animals and their living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► responsibility to two other two other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► you know living systems on this planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► are and so maybe fantasy is beginning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► reflect that because we're going from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► less of a how can i use and exert my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► dominion over this uncomfortable force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► into how do i maintain my status is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► moral or ethical being while working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► with completely different species [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► you see reflected a lot of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► relationship to I mean there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► the older areas of both fantasy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► science fiction which were not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► male-dominated it was these great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► know empires and things crashing to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► ground and huge forces and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► had to be subject to the will of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► whatever the wizard or the king and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► forth and forces arrayed and then as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► things become more and more morally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► ambiguous like well you know we own this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► dragons like to really own the dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and you everyone a dragon maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► dragon is leasing itself to you and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► really got its own power and his dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► that's what I would be actually very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► curious to see when all these books are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► written and then like what exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► relationship that the dragon is with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► human part is if any will leave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► reader there's a reader reader exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► would you please restart the areas but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► yeah it's a big money it's also i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► i'm trying to think back historically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► you know even like reading for the 19th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► century I know that fantasy is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► monitor John response fiction is of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► course you know at least you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► something but I'm a the job of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► idea of having fantastical animals in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► books isn't new but they're used very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► allegorically and I can't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► examples before the 20th century in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► which you would have you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► giant beasts maybe it was partly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► we didn't believe that anything that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► existed you know in the Western in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► Western literature at least that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► didn't have experience with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► elephants and we went to Africa or will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► be reports back that sounded ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► or fighting skeletons of dinosaurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► things like that the bones of dinosaurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► that it was just beyond the scope of we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► can encompass so it's sort of a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► phenomenon even think about stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► that big now bear in mind i know my not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► literature in the 15th to 18th centuries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► um Big Apple the education but from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► I can recall of history of up from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► history lessons in school one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► predominant themes of Correspondence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► when people colonize the new worlds was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► and then see a sturgeon that was easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► you know 12 feet long or they go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► the woods and run across bears or deer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► that were larger than anything that ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► encountered in Europe so so from about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► the fifteen sixteen hundreds we've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► people who have sponges really vivid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► correspondences of I've come to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► brave new world where there are monsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► of tremendous sighs um you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► there is an experience i don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► i have that would be reflected in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► whatever the fictional traditions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► time would be or if that would even be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► factor or if this was for it would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► be something that would be transmitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► through through folktales or popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► accounts something to keep in mind there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► is whole you know the one that got away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► uh oh you should have seen the fish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► people tend to remember this is bo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► bigger house you know bigger than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► casual bigger than there's also a they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► did this go back as far as I think at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► least the 12th century of Marco Polo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► then he was he was describing unicorns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► but he was actually describing like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► Officer I think that's right that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► the the manatees being mistaken for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► mates because he's perfect those were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► some lonely since then and I think even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► goes back rather than that there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► soon i remember there being a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► name but there's this Greek a traveler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► who travels in released and then found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► him fantastic piece i would have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► looking up again but Jason and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► Argonauts uh did that's a myth all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► oh I was talking about his historical I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► know you mean around and come together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► was a facilities but it was um yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► right because he brought yeah his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► reports were a mix of like complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► fiction and and historical accuracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► right so that yeah people took them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► hundreds years to figure out what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► actually was actually real elsewhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► yeah exactly i so i think we definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► like have these stories where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► were had this story where they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► just say like oh my god I went to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► place and I saw these big things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► you will not believe the things I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► and and what's really interesting about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► these books the books that we've listed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► here the more modern ones that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► are they're not really like oh no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► you won't believe what I saw anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► they're all like oh well we've now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► created this world you know you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► that's funny so we really so we've come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► to this so i think our panel conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► is that a is that the more of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► that we know the lesser is to explore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► the more these things that are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► outside like dragons or improbable like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► an acquaintance they've been pushed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► it is an ecological problems notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► there's no niche left for them in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► fantasy month so all we posit this then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► so is the alien series of movies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► you know their their scaly they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► freaky they breathe fire in the form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► acid they kill people are arguing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► that was that we had to push them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► definitely definitely and they're such I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► think I don't know that I agree i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► it's more just you know generic bad guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► how do you make something that's scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► well the saurian species as always it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► always lizard people right we're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► freaked out about lizard people in outer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► space and the insect people definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► to the whole yet that's you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► a subject for the podcast always want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► talk about the great writer James T at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► Tiptree jr. Alice Sheldon we will do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► podcast I'm trying to some enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► to read her because she's so if you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► James Tiptree too much your soul dies a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► little bit even as it flies in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► its people must read her biography it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► a marvelous she's a kick crazy but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► is she is these novels these insect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► characters who are always being preyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► upon because they're been tortured their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► tears are producing alcohol finer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► any substance in the universe perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► tiptree but we are sort of freaked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► about insects but I think about saurian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► species and star trek with the skirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► coming to make his makeshift weapon to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► kill the poor the disabled the lizard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► creature and it is in the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► series of V there's that mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► crazy people believe that lizards have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► terrifying how many people have a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► lizard person thing going on so I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► if that's part of the two you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► lizards dragons you know that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► there's there's a series I'm about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► would have happened if the dinosaurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► hadn't died off and had instead involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► up commented analog and it is killing me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► not for the series because basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► whole thing comes down to that lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► and it's is a no-no not Dinotopia that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► the get the kids version i think i saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► that movie the Fantastic them being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► either leave done interviews like holy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► cats dinosaurs thanks crystal exist this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► we have humans human-like by bipedal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► animals that are little blooded and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► oh IC totally different series i hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► you all saw the recent paper that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► talking about the wasn't about camera it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► chemical structures found in meteorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► and the relationship to life on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► planet and it finished with the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► which I hope you also i wish with a line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► that was if this happened the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► other planets as possible there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► super-intelligent dinosaurs out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► and we should beware of them and i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► kidding this is peer-reviewed paper and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► that was the last long after all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► destruction of august time the consensus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► of the scientific community that is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► there's life out there and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► get to us we should be very afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► I think so i think there's we have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► considers Drake's equation and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► like a very like pine skies for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► equation where you know there's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► life out there but the length of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► civilization and how long they exist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► you know the level of their technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► is such that we're probably never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► yeah that's right you have to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► sweet spot where you actually you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► still alive and they're still alive when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► they get right yeah exactly like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► they have to prevent themselves from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2638">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► blowing themselves up and you know via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► something whatever their analog is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► yeah so it's I think for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► we've we've concluded that probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► there's life out there because there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► lot of space but probably not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► see it anytime soon but they might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► there might be giants it's a great bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► yes i do they have opposable thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► that's always come how do they hold the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► sword yeah with their minds that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► telepathic right like a pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► every single one of these series they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► they communicate telepathically with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► the humans are the only one that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► know the the temper when they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► oh but they do have some kind of deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► yeah actually one series i read as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► child with the Dragons didn't it was I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► canyons pit dragons yes yes that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► fantastic series it is and i think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► of the things I liked about it was how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► planetary society seemed compared to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► lot of other dragon centric societies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► what's interesting with the way you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► entreats the Dragons is the relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► between the people the Dragons a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► more like the relationship between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► peoples and any sort of specific class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► of animal you know here here on earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► oh I have a telepathic best friend who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► could set you onto five you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► they're like they're fighting dogs in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► oh yeah well I friends convinced me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► watch the neverending story and which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► meaning it's i would say it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► watching because it is yes it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► most peculiar movie i think i have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► are like in an era of peculiar movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► there's all these inexplicable things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► just very weird it feels like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► edited from two different movies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► another language with a friend mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► put on english and it's possible that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► what the case was but there is a dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► looks like a giant dog it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► muppets in the film and and we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► yeah that's get more like a very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► neck and is so there's the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► movie spoiler horn the end of the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► is the kid from the real world is flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► the dragon back into the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► where it's chasing down the bullies who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► bothered him at the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► movie you know it's been with you yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► and for that we need writing for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► know exactly you're gonna drag that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► why it's popular in the Y a world right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► huh who hasn't dreamed of alicia a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► dragon on your enemies experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► different different different type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► Dragon I think you'd make friends with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► yeah he's your friend yeah kids don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► you implanted kicked out of school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► that's my take on it well at the risk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► not I'm sorry dragging this on I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► say it's been delightful talk dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► with you all and we'll have to come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► and talk about unicorns more James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► Tiptree and the once and future king in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► the future but I thank you all for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► here tonight my co-host Lisa Schmeisser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► who with him we cook this idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► together thank you I'll Glenn did all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► the heavy one thing really well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► endorse me thank you for being on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► first time on our podcast thank you very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► much help to come out again thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► very much absolutely Sarah barber thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► first-timer thank you for coming out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► talking dragons with us thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► having me so much and we will be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► again soon i have no idea what's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► incomparable may be other games shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► something in saying that you will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► will curse us for airing but we hope to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► so you've been so quiet have we have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► just jibber-jabber you out of existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2871">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Cooper what's a little bit because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZjaXTM/2880">TS</a>]