00:00:00 ◼ ► the incomparable part test number 93 too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/0">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/13">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► smell this is another edition of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► book club and I have two participants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► brave brave participants who are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/20">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► to join me to discuss two novels by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/23">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► science fiction writer Paolo Bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/27">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► listen to me look I said his name now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/31">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► learned how to pronounce palla bicycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► loop his name because he wrote a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/35">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► actually one shared the hugo award a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► couple of years back for best novel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► I loved it and I voted for it and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► excellent and he also wrote around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/47">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► same time a young adult novel called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► ship breaker which one a whole lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/52">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► awards most it was a finalist for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/54">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► National Book Award it won the Prince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► award and the locus award which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► sci-fi award for best young adult book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► is a very very good book and has spawned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► follow-up called the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► which was released i believe last month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► very recently so it's a new release so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/71">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► these are these are books in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► universe they are not directly connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/75">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► except for one character which will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/79">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► fantastic and we have talked about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/85">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► briefly on a couple of podcast before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/87">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► it was the first person to mention this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/94">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► book to me and he got me to read it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► Scott thanks for being here to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► about it a little bit more uh oh I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► that uh his last name as a bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► right be sure i don't know if it's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► secondly bacigalupi bocce ball except in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► my head whenever I read that's how good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► it sounds a bicycle loopy but I can kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► of soup paci GL UPI is he's uh his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/116">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► extraction I believe maybe italian but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/122">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► he is is he lives in Colorado he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► American who listen color and that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► Voice you heard was serenity caldwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► who volunteered to read ship breaker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/131">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► also to read the drowned cities which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► in the midst of doing so we will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/138">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► goodbye to her before we talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/139">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► that spoiled she can go read it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► horns for me and where does your sign to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► dive i will i will dive underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/147">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► deep seas of my bed covers and read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► rest of the book like a a good reader so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► the author which now I'm Scott give me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► complex i'm going to call bicycle loopy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/160">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► but whatever you can call him what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/161">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► like Colin bacigalupi go ahead a but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/162">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► he is he is basically not just a sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► writer he's like an eco sci-fi writer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► he writes these books that are about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► their set in a world or or different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/177">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► worlds but that they have something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► common which is this the idea that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► are living in an accelerated age and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► point of peak oil is coming and at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► point there's going to be an energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► collapse and and bad things are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► happen to what we think of as modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► industrialized society and in the windup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► girl we see one version of that and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/199">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► we see we see another where the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► States has basically been broken to bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► by the loss of oil and in ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► we meet nailer and and what they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/211">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► nailer and and his team of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► are basically running salvage like crew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► tearing apart ships and stay for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/222">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► their parts and their and their metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► which is not that far off from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► things that happen in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► when there are there's a place in i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► to say Bangladesh where they where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/235">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► tear apart ships for their mettle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► it's not that far off but it's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► in the United States in a post you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► almost apocalyptic eco apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► United States not at for a young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► book this is not like a young boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/251">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► adventures with his dog and his paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► out this his this is this is dark stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► this is a the diana wynne jones for out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► of young adult which I actually really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► appreciate where it just it treats kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/263">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► you know teenagers as we know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/266">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► well-crafted story just as much as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► adult does we're just going to take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► more violent aspects but even this even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► this book has has its fair share of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's it's um you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► it's a tough world and there's violence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► and there's a a really bad father figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/285">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► nailers father is a very gives Darth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/288">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► very bad guy and they're in there on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► Gulf Coast basically except that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► global warming because again a co-writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► the global warming has caused the Seas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► to rise and so that there's an Orleans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/304">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► to because the New Orleans is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► gone and three Orleans yes there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► many say don't call the thorough Orleans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/315">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► mmm her house we'll get back to that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► um so I mean the starts though it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► funny one of the things that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/327">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► talk about about the two books is which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/328">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► actually keep going back and forth on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/334">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► you've got these uh these kids are into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/337">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► these terrible conditions as scavengers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► and and we meet when we mean Taylor he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► almost dies right because he's he's deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► down in these narrow passages in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► ship and he falls into a into a tank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/350">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► into a gas tank and thinks he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► die but he ends up being a smart being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/357">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► smart enough to save himself and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► know and and when he gets back to shore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► it's not any better this is just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► a a chaotic environment where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► working for for almost nothing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/368">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► company above them that is that is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/373">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► of far away and and it you know really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► it's like a forced labor camp almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► conditions so you know it's that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► that's it's pretty rough stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► something that's that's a young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► definitely I mean I i read a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/391">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► really really dark young adult books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► growing up and I tend to prefer those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► and I'd I mean I feel like most avid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► readers tend to prefer something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► a little more complex and a little less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► black and white and heat I mean he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► I didn't really realize until the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► ship breaker that this was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► meant to be a young adult book I because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► the way that it was portrayed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► language that was used i just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► assumed oh it's you know it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/423">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► book with younger characters and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/424">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► when i was looking stuff up in advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/428">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► written specifically to be a young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► book okay why I get that I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/434">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► written like normal books they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► happened to star maybe slightly younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/441">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► there's some language limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► ended the rally and I which is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► wrong and there isn't and there isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► there isn't sex and that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/452">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► those are the like sort of defining it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/457">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► got to be kind of a PG but you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► really you know really dark around those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► two limitations Scott you have issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► with when you read something young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► is it you know is it isn't that big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► well I I generally do not like young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/474">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► adult books mostly because i enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► reading I sort of said you up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► because i know i don't get w you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► but generally despised young adult books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► frankly mostly because i think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/487">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► as Wren said they they tend to simplify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► things and uh i enjoy reading books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/493">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► have complicated language and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► multifaceted plots generally that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► to say i don't like a book with a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► plot that you know is straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► because i also read a lot of mysteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► that generally are you know to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► out who killed somebody and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► but it's not like 14 different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► are happening at once and then at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/516">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► breaker rises above the general cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/522">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► of crappy young adult books in that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► yes it does is a plus yes and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/529">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► keeps me engaged even though the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/532">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► itself is fairly straightforward and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/534">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► he manages to keep it interesting enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/537">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► and keep the pace very quick which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/541">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► and there isn't kind of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/544">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► the young adult the kind of the trip to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► the young adults the kid finds out he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/549">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► has special powers that you know nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► appreciates it but then he suddenly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► wizard and everybody is great and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► going to save the world need a dealer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► not a wizard but no Clara fide he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► yes he's talented smart kid but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► just a kid I feel like I father issues i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► add my shelf of good young adult books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► Scott because I may have missed so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► I was a kid I was trying to think of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/576">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► preparation of this what young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/579">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► books i read because both ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► and drowned cities are you know marketed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► as young adults and I was thinking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► myself why I don't know what age group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► of young adult is but reading both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► them I wouldn't think that young kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► should really read them I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/593">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► a young adult is usually at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► way that I've seen it marketed is aged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► like 10-11 to age 17 it's a pretty wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► range it's not for I'd say it's it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► kids in like the higher grades and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► starting in middle school middle school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► is usually the starting because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► most of the young adult books you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► you're talking about the tropes you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► get a little bit of the budding romance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► Stephenie Meyer Twilight craziness like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► I so II you've got to be a certain i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/625">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► think i have a certain age to appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► that but well you know why a is this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► new ish category there's a i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► when i first heard the concept was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► oh ok i guess that makes sense but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► know some writers don't write books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► are you know that have a lot of language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► and have a lot of graphic sex and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/648">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► it's interesting that now there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► category that's sort of in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► and yet a lot of yaa stuff is also read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► by adults and good young adult fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/660">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► is perfectly good for adults right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► not you're not reading and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► argument when you read Harry Potter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► i know that's a sore spot with Scott who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/671">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► didn't like Harry Potter but those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► books that have become successful not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► just because kids read them but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/676">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► adults read them and and you know good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/677">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► fiction and the problem is that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► there's some writers who then say i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► gonna i'm going to target this and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► going to dumb it down and that's when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► I I think maybe it breaks down and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► previous podcast Scott mentioned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► Ian McDonald who wrote a book that Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/696">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and I thought was fantastic last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► actually I think we both voted or voted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► my vote counted because i paid the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► and scott's boat didn't count but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/705">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► didn't for best for best novel for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/706">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► hugo awards in mcdonalds the Dervish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► house you know he that's a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► book and he wrote a young adult book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► that Scott red and said was really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► because I and I worry that he just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► of said well its young adult I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► take my plot my intricate plots and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► everything and then it will be dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► which is you know I don't know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► want to know in a good book whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/729">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► young adults or not it shouldn't be dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► i read through more or less the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► young adult section at both my local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► library and my local borders over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► course of like five or six years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► that while there are some books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► really stand out my memory and some will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/747">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► probably bring up later on the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/748">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► they were definitely like their arse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► logs in in that in that category where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► you just run into very very like you run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/757">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► into somebody who wants to be Judy Blume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► except with magic or with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► post-apocalyptic sci-fi I and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/766">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► doesn't it doesn't work so well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/770">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► there were plenty i mean even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► something that was fairly widespread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/774">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► like animorphs which was clearly I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► that was a a big giant series that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/778">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► its share and was written i can remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► that was written by a series of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► people are just one person but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/786">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► x where they would very clearly be oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► well we're actually this is just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/793">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► young people and young in situations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► not really dumb down language and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► there were other books in that series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/800">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► because you're looking at this year like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► assignment that i got in high score in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► it's like bobbin Jeremy are going on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/811">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► batteries bad well you know young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► right I suppose young adults have young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► adult protagonist that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► high-quality novels that that have young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► adults as protagonists and-and-and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► you know we wouldn't look down upon them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► there's a right like people are smelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► money from yeah especially because harry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► potter rightness ago geez I gotta get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► some of that and so you've got some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► people who are reading good books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► some people who are trying to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► market for you know that by writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► something targeted at the market that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► they think might make them a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/851">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► money and i feel like when i was a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► adult there was not a young adult genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/854">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► well they worthy I mean there are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/859">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► that were kinda adult book i'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► juvenile science fiction right which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► like pulp stuff from the fifties I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► more than I mean they're like boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/870">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► juggernaut that it is now and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► are no it's very clearly labeled now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► a way that it i don't think it was it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► only really just started to go that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/881">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► when I was growing up like there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/884">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► really even a young adult section in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► book store until I was 16 or 17 i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/888">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► to say i usually just kind of jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► lumped in with fiction and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/894">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► maybe a subcategory with infections like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► people with young protect your books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► with young protagonists rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► young adults right right right i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/903">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► would just end up in the sci-fi section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► and pick out a book and you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► it's it's a the split infinity by piers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► anthony and i read that it's like oh god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► they're people having sex in this book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/917">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► will read the next book now right so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► was you know that I I think that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► of it too is this weird thing I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► PG rating it's I I that is some strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► part of this young adult thing is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► it's a category where there's sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► implied cleanness of content which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/932">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► know III as a parent I appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/937">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► but it's it's strange and so you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/940">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► with books that are legitimately good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/944">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► books and then you end up with books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► that are that are not and ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► which is again what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► is a good book it's I mean it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► watered-down a windup girl or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► like that it feels like legitimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/960">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► ya know it just happens to have young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► protagonists as the lead characters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► it is a story is a story where adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► exist and where some adults are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► good and some adults are very scary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/973">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► there are shades of grey whereas they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► might not otherwise be yeah I'm chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► bigger actually reminds me of two books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► I read when I was growing up there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/983">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► book called the the ear the eye and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► arm which I think when a alda cot or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/988">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► newbery or something like that which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/992">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► sort of post-apocalyptic or i guess not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► post-apocalyptic future world where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/998">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► get three people who are were a not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► guns for hire but like detectives for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► hire and they have to go find am missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► a missing privileged girl and then also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► a book by I think Karthik's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► shades children which deals with kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► again the weird sci-fi post-apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► but also running from big bads and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► a very similar vibe from ship breaker to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► both of those two books where it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► a very dark world and you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► you're putting basically relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► young children and even in shipwreck her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► there's a there's a mention about just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► Naylor is and how he doesn't really even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► recognize that fact just because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► like well you know you're either light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► crew or your or your heavy crew you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► either create a small enough to fit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► you're not and he's aged just getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► big enough that he's not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► crew anymore exactly we don't even find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► out these characters ages until over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► halfway through that first book when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► he's quite literally coming-of-age he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► getting to the point where he is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► getting bigger and of course there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► girl right there is a pretty girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► inner-city got in a wreck ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► there's a 12 mm and you've had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► moment which is like who i kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► her something about her is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► than what you love then turn that on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► head though because I mean they find her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► when presumably she's dead she's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► and they try to cut off her fingers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► get her gold regular jewelry that's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► that's how they discover she's alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► it's a very it's turning on its head of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► it the typical it's not really your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► usual meet-cute yeah no not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► hi you know we fell in love how do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► fall in love all I was sawing off your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► fingers that's how I met my wife very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► thank goodness she woke up I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► she could keep her jewelry and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► interesting so one of the things i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► about this setting is he concentrates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► obviously want to make a point about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► know eco-friendliness and how the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► is going to go to pot because yeah our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► short-term thing friends us yes exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► but then he shows there's a clear like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► as you're reading it you think okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► everybody is just living in squalor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► then you realize know there's this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► other world of people that have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► ships that have like Paris tales that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► can go fast and go over the place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► have advanced technology that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► clipper ships that span the oceans and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► clippership when end and the neda is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► a the child of these people who own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► these big companies that have this money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► she's she's the one that they meet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► when they're trying to cut off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► fingers and and she's like an heiress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► basically 2a and God has gotten caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► up in a in a plot among the rich people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► and so there and and was attacked but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► you know she's never known you know she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► in some ways which is funny she's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► of our proxy in the sense that she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► where there isn't the kind of squalor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► that is on the beach with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► ship breakers where you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► things are really miserable and awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► and she has kind of no idea and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► so she becomes our proxy except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► viewing it through the eyes of nailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► and we're looking at her thinking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► oh it's us actually that's who she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► just boiled and has anything she wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► and whereas he's incredibly poor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► I actually really like how I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► try and pronounce the author's name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► but you're gonna be yeah you may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► mr. B mr. B yes but the eco integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► it kind of snuck up on me where i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► reading this and I'm like man drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► cities and city killer and you slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► start to realize oh this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► this is the United States and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► realize oh it's because of crude oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► drilling but it's never it's never gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► out and explicitly said yes humans you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► are bad you are destroying things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► beware for there will come a day when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► all of this comes you know there's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► are certain books it's better for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► yeah and it's just kind of like know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► this is you know this is how it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► dropping and jam it down your throat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► actually there's a lot of here it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► lot of stuff within this book in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► sort of manner which I really appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► it so nice to as a reader be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► actually discover things for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► and not feel like the author is saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► important in 50 pages from now feed ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► another one thing I hate more than young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► adult books are preaching books that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► obviously it has a theme and he he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► clearly a a an environmentalist but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► not saying you know the characters don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► stop and say gee wouldn't have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► great if we had thought about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► before this all happened message to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► exactly you you're destroying us your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► you cause this you cause to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► simply its implicit and and but he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► it right there isn't a moment where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► turned the camera basically and say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► only you would you had saved your oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► and not know it I mean it really his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► whole deal here is to say I'm i built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► into the world once you accept this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► world exists you accept that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► everything and this is the remnant sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► of the the you know hollowed-out remnant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► of our society after we run out of fuel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► high-tech part and I'm not yelling on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► the clippership exactly you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► live in the midwest that's right don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► want another character in this in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► story is is a very sci-fi character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► we've got these regular human beings who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► are struggling to get along but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► not all we are in a sci-fi novel and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► have two lamented who is an argument he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► is a half man as they call him but he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► a creation from human dog hyena tiger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► many other kinds of animal and he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► hamster yes right Mockingbird trout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► yes a most mosquito leaner yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► he's every animal really um he is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► a a walks like a man but he is a killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► machine he's he's smarter than people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► and much more dangerous than people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► they meet him the art nailer and Annie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► to meet him and he becomes a he becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► their sort of traveling companion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► and helper and what's funny about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► when he's introduced he's sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► sort of you you meet the monster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► then you realize the monster may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah because because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► always father Richard Lopez is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► yeah as a side note i find it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► interesting that all of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► have real names up into a certain age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► where it's like all of nailers parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► generation has real names but nailer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► all of his crew folk to a certain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► yeah they all have things like naylor or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► I mean even need it gets a lucky girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► you know right and you don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► sense that these are nicknames you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► the sense that these are actually these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► are the names that they grew up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► yeah but this it's like surnames are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► important anymore actual inventive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► things are not important if they've run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► non-renewable resources host yes its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► there's no more than anybody region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► America reach peak naming and since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► it's all been downhill great Taylor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► shortage of 2012 and mouse so tool is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► really interesting character because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► what you know he is he does seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► this monster and maybe he is a monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► right and yet he is he helps them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► he's an honorable you get the sense i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► mean you're told that he is not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► other half men in fact when they go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► Orleans and they're they're like hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► in the water trying not to be spotted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► and there's like a squat that they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► at one point and then there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► are half men on the ship and and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► know you get to see what the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► completely subservient to their masters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► and then there's tool who is he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► the rebel he's like the one who went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► rebelling and that's good because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► he's more than a monster and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► such a really interesting character that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► that just kind of drops in and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► you know he helps them out and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► cling to the back of railroad cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► as they travel along the countryside and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► he he sort of whip them into shape which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► is it's it's just a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► I mean he's a he's a pseudo parental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► figure wow what a parent yeah do I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► but actually the the whole idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► arguments and not having read more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► a hundred pages of the second book i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► really curious to see where that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► because tool does crossover is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► community use the crossover character is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► mia much more problem wasn't cool to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► leave out of the second book clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► forbids we can leave them by the wayside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► but he's like the the whole concept of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► the augments in the idea of yes we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► going to genetically alter these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► like combined humans with all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► various animal DNA is to create the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► ultimate bodyguard and then we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► to train them almost you know impress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► upon their minds that they may only have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► one master i'm really curious not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► knowing the end of drowned or the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► drowned cities yes that's the second one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► yes um if we find out just why tool is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► very different from the other the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► arguments like why how he was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► break his conditioning because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► they say very clearly in the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► when they meet other other half men you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► know it's impossible it's theoretically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► impossible for an augment to ever betray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► or walk away from their master because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► they're programmed to basically died of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► longing if the their master dies or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► know goes away someone I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► it's explained other than he's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► he's not hooked up right he is supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► to behave like that he doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► anything that's further along this with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► this theme of you know that humankind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► fiddle around with things that shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► and it expects the things to work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► they think it doesn't that he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► and so he's you know everyone who to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► read like the world exactly screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► the Augmented creatures which is i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► that that is this book could be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► saying well you know you can't you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► the whole energy thing and and now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► reaping the rewards that global warming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► and all these things and yet he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► have this whole other thing that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► thrown in which is genetic engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► and after you you smell side plot yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► you spend some time thinking this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► really about these kids who are tearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► apart the ships and their terrible life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► on shore and then they find the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► that's crashed and there's a girl they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► try to cut off her finger but she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► actually alive so they can't cut off her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► finger and yet on the side there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► oh did we mention that there are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► bioengineered monsters who are smarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► than people who are used to soldiers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► no just throw that in there that also is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► kind of except he ends up being cut more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► of a hero than its although there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► plenty of scary half men in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► yeah there are really and I also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► the we see much more than the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► cities actually we see the swells we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► the the with rich people here where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► imagination going on between the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► people who are struggling for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► control of a of Nita's come to shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► family's company right and and and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► that's going on and that's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► because from the perspective of the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► kids on the beach it's like who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► right it's just like beyond completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► beyond them because holidays you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► are fighting over who gets more of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► completely penniless and on the beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► and I feel like in in all of of bicycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► Lupe's work that CI said there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► i scented we get this one of his tricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► which i think is really effective is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► takes situations that are you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► is about the future and it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► ecology and and about the environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► it's also about the present and and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► trick is that he's taking situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► that happen now and turns them around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► happening to us and so he makes a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► when he's talking about these poor kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► that are getting beaten and threatened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► by gunfire and in both of these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and pointing out that it's black kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► and Asian kids white kids they're blonde [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► girl blonde kids that are there working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► as slaves and and and he's really saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► you know you guys are used to the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► people you know being in far-off places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and not looking like you and in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► stories they look like you they are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► and and that's part of what he does so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► it you know he's saying you know today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► we've got very poor parts of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► and then we've got very rich parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► the world that that are arguing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► their first world problems right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► that's exactly what happens in ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► breaker is that is that Nina and her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► problems and the kids on the beach like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► hello I'm hoping to get food tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► well yeah I doubt that there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► you know they age dockworkers and South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► Korea really care about the facebook IPO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► right where it's you know it's like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► I'm gonna you know work for my daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► bread and get enough money to feed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► family and the kids in bangladesh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► are disassembling ships are are not do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► not care about what's happening with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► latest in computer technology right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► they don't care they're they're far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► yeah so I think that's one of that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► of a of his very effective sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► tricks of of saying no this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► happening in a far-off land this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► happening here are our own world has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► disintegrated and this is what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► to live in a poor miserable place the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► vestiges bringing more close to home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► residents that said this is not a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► is not a depressing kind of book the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► setting is depressing but it is a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► entertaining book about these smart kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► doing what they can to survive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► making some smart decisions in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► out to to beat beat the bad guys with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► the help of their you know monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► I don't know what his mentor he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► monster and a mentor might see someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► exactly i wish i had a monster I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► today it's got what I I mean I realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► you and I both read this book a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► time ago i was in Scott book years it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► yeah yeah you have anything else that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► sticks out for you about about ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► breaker that we have uh huh i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► end where they're smart enough that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► know the terrain of the bay that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► legally lowering the ship into and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► you know there's that moment wait for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► there we because the kids know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► all right but not even rocks dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► underwater building scale yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► that's right right right which is kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► although i will say the one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► flag me about that ending was I nailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► father is technically on the big bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► enemy ship wouldn't he know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► big giant skyscraper teeth that nailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► leading in into or maybe he's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► know either with the captain I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► Richard Lopez like nah day he's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► not legitimate figure he he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► really know all the stuff like he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► always like a fixer and he was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► beach and I think he's not he was heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► crew for a while I mean I know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► also like you know later but I i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► say like he probably knew the area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► goodbye at the same time they do mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► that that ship is a much bigger ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► than the tiny ship and it was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► those things where I was like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► the only thing that distracts from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► alright but so absolutely perfect you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► so I i can I take this test then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► you enjoyed your your reading of ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► breaker i did not expect to but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► did well I want you ready ready because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► it was going to be in the book club and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► these jerks want me to read it Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► said he liked it but shinno scott i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► i i've had sort of 5050 luck the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► club was like I've started like dervish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► house i remember reading I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► 200 pages of and being like I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► this book will eventually get really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► interesting but it's just catching me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► i know i know i'll finish it sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► yeah and that's absolutely it is a slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► build oh yeah when I just said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► point I didn't have time to really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► sit back and enjoy a thousand-page book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► with a 300-page slow build-up but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► this one you know the first couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► chapters are slow and I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► expected myself to get kind of impatient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► with it but they build it so nicely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► there are a lot of things that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► in this relatively short book but none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► none of them feel overlong either it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► it's just a really nice balance with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► gigantic really well formed world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► considering again the limited book space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► in which they had to explain it like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► background of the beach you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► beach folk feel real all the most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► characters developed even even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► captain's like towards the end feel some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► somewhat developed he just has a a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► really fantastic knack for being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► shape and explain a world without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► feeling like you're you know either too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► overwhelmed or underwhelmed by it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► poking holes through it so yeah i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► looking forward to reading drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► finished ship breaker like 30 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► before the podcast i started finished so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► it's very recent that's true damn or and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► definity i only started reading ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► breaker yesterday so you know I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► through it quick but I'm you know I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► read the first hundred pages of drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► finishing ship breaker and waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► this podcast artisan like this world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► actually really interesting and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► want to like go back to it as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► possible haha told you so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► I'm yeah I'm glad I'm glad that I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► that you liked it when I first heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► about it from scott who said it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► good because we were talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► shipbreakers better than the window girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► he liked the wind up girl but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► really haven't read the windup girl yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► I make some people hate another and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► people that love it and I I much to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► discovered that i loved it so I voted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► for it over the city in the city by me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► evil and they tied so it didn't I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► I'm the reason since I my vote actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► in town i'm the reason they tied because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► I I thought it was I don't like the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► in the city too but it seems that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► very good but the windup girl just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► yeah I thought it was really i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► was really good and that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► similarly similarly good i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► Scott I mean that is a really good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► librarian and she's recommended it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► she read it before I did in fact and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► she's recommended it to many many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► now which i think is really cool to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► somebody who doesn't read a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► sci-fi some but not a lot but has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► know a conduit to young minds who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► to read books and is saying ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► is you know is a highly recommended book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► I will take full credit for all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► you should you are molding young minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► Philadelphia you are the monster tour I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► yes but it's got i'm going to send you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► list of really good young adult novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► so you can expand your reach of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► cool ones should see see me i'm at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► way i would love to see the list of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► don't pass that onto to Lauren who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► use more things to recommend in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► children's library so yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► they're all they're all like five and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► 10-year olds a recommendation about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► salon might yeah they're still on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► shelf will still cool books to go bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► books are all short I'm Leslie when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► they're about apocalyptic futures that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► that's not discussing this podcast so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► now because miss Caldwell has not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► read the rest of the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► oh and we are going to have to shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► we're going to put her in the soundproof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► booth or actually just you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► hang up and go crawl into bed and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► through and read the rest of them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► you two can talk so yes we thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► thanks for being on this on this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► and and we will say could we will part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► ways and it's just gonna be me and Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► the rest of the way who is podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► over for you know it's just be a night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► goodnight goodbye point yeah she's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► i'm scott you're the last one left again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► I'm a survivor that's why i am you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► and a mod store constantly they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► wait up a new word and you are it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► yes so the dream cities the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► what did you think jason has compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► the ship breakers which one you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► I like ship breaker better i did as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► which is not to say that the grounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► that i liked around cities and now one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► of the questions I had for you was it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► is the drowned cities darker than ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► breaker and and Mike the reason that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► keep going back and forth on this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► that in the drowned cities the kids we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► meet at the beginning have a semi stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► life I mean they lost their old life but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► they like you're working for this doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► in a village and you know they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► got a system whereas the kids and ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► breaker just you know slaves and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► the difference is that they have a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► kind of adventure that leads to meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► a rich girl who it might save them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► whereas just terrible things happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► kids in the surrounding cities terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► things I i think that without a doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► the drowned city is much darker than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► ship breaker if only because of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► number of times people say maggot maggot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► it's it's a it's a we can't swear in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► young adult fiction so instead we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► maggot every and you you wrote you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► you didn't ruin I would have noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► anyway but when you pointed out they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► Megan a lot as i was reading it I Bryce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► started to notice that they say make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► everybody's a maggot there were maggots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► their magnetism maggot that training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► yeah hallelujah it's raining minutes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► so is why is to the drowned cities uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► they're like child the a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► characters are child soldiers basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► right so yeah they're young i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► think and it really did forget how young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► they are and then they they eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► end up someplace where there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► like we're in their teens or twenties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► and you realize oh geez these kids are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► like 10 12 years old right and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► the teenagers are like the officers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► experienced people he actually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► uniforms instead of just a an automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► no it don't even think about machete and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► it all that's true you have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► bottle of acid you start with a machete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► and a bottle of acid see there you go if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► as ten-year-olds waging war fair with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► machete and a bottle of acid is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► yeah yeah so we we meet Malia and mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► and they are kids who are working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► this doctor in this village and an army [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► and militia that's one of these groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► that we we realize we're we're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► in the Potomac basin and this is around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► Washington DC and and these various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► militia groups are are are fighting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► endless war with each other and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► they come to their village because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► they've been chasing a monster through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► the jungle that monster of course is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► yes Tyler all right yes yes the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► horn by the way that sounded for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► drowned cities hopefully if you have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► read it and do not want to be spoiled so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► so tool tools presence causes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► stuff to happen basically and Malia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► mouse watch their village get torched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► yeah the doctor is killed horribly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► know just awful things happen and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► recruited by this uh this militia and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► they're they're turning him into another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► faceless killing machine soldier boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► throughout throughout this book while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► Malia is talking to and arguing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► tool tools like well let's just leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► leave that lets run we are outnumbered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► and our only chance of getting out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► this is if we leave him and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► logic to stay you notice you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► going to be able to save him and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► insists she doesn't i think is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► clever that she figures out tools kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► of pack mentality because it's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► been programmed into him because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► part dog and she's like well he's a pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► member we need to save him and tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► like well alright yeah yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► decide whether that's Malia manipulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► tool or whether tool is like almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► saying oh and extrapolating I great i go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► he's like part of your pack I oh that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► understand i'm not sure what what which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► one it is but it's it's effective right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► that then suddenly he is ready to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► and decides not to and and she tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► save his life so that he'll owe her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► he laughed it off it says I don't owe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► you anything and yet he he ends up going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► with her anyway for his own reasons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► I you know such an interesting character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► because he's not he's not human and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► does not behave like a human but he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► his own honor and his own kind of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► and he's happy to rip people into into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► shreds but at the same time he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► he's like a weapon that his that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► turned back on its creators and he's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► it's like an a a tool of vengeance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► that's true yeah and I think it's a he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► is probably the most fleshed out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► characters not the other characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► Bacigalupi it does a great job getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► lot of characterization into all of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► characters and I think tool and mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► are probably my two favorite characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► um and which makes mouse's story even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► more depressing 40 as it was heroin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► right that he is you actually are seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► the steps that he goes through to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► of dehumanize him and and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► moment where heat more mouse has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► great success where he because he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► very valuable they basically thrown in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► the water and have them swim over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► where there are snipers figuring you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► know you get shot whatever he does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► doesn't matter and he succeeds and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► all the people who are with him die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► he kills and then he kills a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► people and his coup de Gras is that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► calls in the radio is very smart righty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► call him on the radio that people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► are firing artillery and tells him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► move it back a few hundred yards which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► blows up their fellow soldiers instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► of his soldiers from so children right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► uh actually not a second yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► killed people and all of that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► so you're rooting for him and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► realize what you're doing which is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► becoming increasingly one of these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► Jojo who is one of the other characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► who is sort of like Mouse further along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► he's been further dehumanizing Malia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► gets a sense that ocho I you know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► are moments when he's like a human being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► and moments where he's like a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► she doesn't really understand it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► but now with with mouse's progression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► you see this is what happens is these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► kids are great card sort of ground-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► and the ones who survived end up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► they've seen all of these people died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► and they've come become completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► it is it is an uplifting story it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► it's a rough so so it's all set it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► interview with with Paolo Bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► where he was talking about the subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► matter and how he is not a non-political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► writer at all because he does have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► other environmental themes in his work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► but that hehe said that as he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► writing it he found that he was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► more overtly political than usual and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► you see it in setting it in washington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► DC I and having these different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► militia groups that are like the Army of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► God and the Patriots and all these sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► of things and they're there are several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► passages where he talks about how all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► this started with people who disagreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► with the beliefs of other people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► they were traders or not patriotic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► it's clearly his his take on our current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► events you know fractured political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► system where if you don't believe what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► believe you are not you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► an American or you're against America or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► you're not a patriot and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► which wich so did you find that stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► be having praised him for not being too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► preachy and ship breaker did you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► that stuff i mean i was a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► overtly like I'm sending you a message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► yeah it was it was kind i think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► part of the reason why i didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► ship breaker because it was kind of more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► so than ship breaker wearing its lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► on its sleeve as it were especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► Washington making these tee two groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► so kind of obviously mirroring what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► happening uh now uh without trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► um right it's because it's the Patriots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► against the Army of God writes these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► goodness rackets as they as they shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► the hell out of each other kill each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► other and they don't know nobody really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► knows why they're trying to kill each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► other and the any other interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► thing and the climax is at the Capitol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► right right and so that that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► message at all is it there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► Capitol building in the Capitol building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► basically is blown up in the climax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► which so it's all this time it hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeahs a six-time acts of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► book it's the Capitol dome is gonna gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► mad it's a giant building that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► clearly a target but it's react and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► the other thing that was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► little heavy-handed is so the Chinese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► have a apparently survived the eco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► apocalypse a fairly well and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► Peacekeeper to be peacekeeper sins to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► teach people how to you know have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► democracy and live civilized and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► know how they can instead of a fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► each other they can farm and turn their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► motivational sayings and this literature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► and they paint propaganda to help people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► to wrap and only a million father was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► Chinese peacekeeper who met her mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► who is an American and and had her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► then the Chinese pull out and she's left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► behind rises the Sun and they they run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► to the docks right when they're leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► because clearly hey we're his family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► there's growing room on the boats and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► which is so so clearly like a Vietnam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► kind of a parallel except that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► and this is like what you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► before he kind of twists a what's the he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► makes the and I imagine he's writing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► largely American audience but that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► be wrong so he kind of Western audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► westerns that's true and so he he shifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► your normal expectations of well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► doesn't happen to people in Western [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► civilization's yeah i mean not to not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► be too blunt about it but I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► one of the the tricks he doesn't it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► be very effective is he saying and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► uses this he says is this person red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► hair and this person was blonde with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► pale skin and what he's saying is he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► telling a story essentially about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► what has happened recently in fact in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► Africa especially where there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► militias with children do and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► and and horrible things happen in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► children are kind of dehumanized as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► live through these horrible violent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► spurts in in especially in Africa and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► he tells that same story except he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► makes a point of saying you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► are white kids and and and blackheads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► and Asian kids and they look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► Americans and and you know what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► saying is imagine imagine how horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► this would be if it happened to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► oh by the way it's in Washington DC yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► yeah so it hits home but he's also so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► he's making its that statement about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► know your your environment your culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► could be destroyed by your actions but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► i'm interested in the fact that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► also making a side statement which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► you know you can ignore the violence or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► have it be remote in some places like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► Africa but you can't I it's harder to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► that when i when i make you think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► in the context of a bunch of little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► American kids who are who have a machete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► and a Nevada of acid and are and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► so yeah it's kinda dark but but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► really effective in that way of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► saying you know these are horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► things and they're not the horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► things that happened this book or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► world they just haven't happened in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► future in America so you know it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► it that all the more horrible i guess to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► see you know to look at these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► and say these are our these are us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► and we don't have you know it's funny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► mean logically of course this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► true but you know one of the nice things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► about science fiction is is he can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► that device to say look you're you as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► American are used to seeing the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► people in these terrible places with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► terrible violence as having different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► color skin and different looking faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► and being able to sort of like just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► well that sort of thing doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► to people like us right now with plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► a loop he says in both these books is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► how do you how do you how would feel if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► it did happen to people who looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► you who were you how then how horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► would this be and that's that is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► these things that he doesn't answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► spoiler alert not cool it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► that's O'Toole meanwhile takes Malia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► I'm like on his back and breathe air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► into her mouth and maybe go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► heart of the drowned cities and the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► the climax there in the basement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► capital basically and he gets he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► free because he was captured by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► protip do not take the captured half-man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► to your lair and hope he doesn't get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► yeah and talked a little while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► justice and have a guy with the keys get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► a little too close to exactly it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► of ground a bad idea because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► happens is he gets out and he like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► literally kills just by tearing shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► or tearing them limb from limb every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► major senior figure in this one militia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► me and it's it's it's Malia and Jojo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► in the basement with dead people all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► a pretty dark oh and i didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► mention the fact that I'm Malia's mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► has apparently squirrels away or stolen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► like all of the key artifacts of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► the Constitution you from the National [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► Archives she's basically taken all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► valuable artifacts and hidden like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► secret room in her apartment building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► and once again playing with that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► civilizations here one people living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► the dragon city with to uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► children soldiers kill each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► crazy militias fighting over inch by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► inch over a city that's basically ruined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► businesspeople from China coming by to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► purchase a the artifacts artifacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► executor laying around because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► to save them from this this war-torn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► place and this is right this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► happens in the real world right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► right right that people from the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► countries and exploit them and accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► peacekeeping forces right or NATO and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► that's what the a and you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► Americans were always the ones who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► sent to those places and so again just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► like with the Vietnam parallel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► parallel of being the place where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► peacekeepers are sent and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► condescending and they're like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► people are savages why don't you why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► you do this why do you fight when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► could be cultured and have a democracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► all of these things and and he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► turns it he just turned it all around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► yeah so did you get did you get what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► drowned city stands for did I get with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► the ground city stands for its DC oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► did not make that connection haha very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► proud of myself when I realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► drowned cities means DC it's washington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3414">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► well I did not pick up another haha off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► two points for you Jay yes oh yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► I'm off to my drought I 10 points for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► very long time it's true but so and tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► in this book is is is more to do it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► is a lot more to do and and he was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► interesting character in ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► but in drowned cities he is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► because you get you get more to Rennes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► question about what we learned about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► I don't think we learned his origin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► story that's still kind of a mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► other than the fact that he's just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► other like here is just not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► other moms yeah it is his pack died and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► he should have just died with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► he decided he didn't care and he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► fascinating character because he is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► though he has a monster he is he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► above us in many ways i love that he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► intelligent and he's built for war right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► and he is priorities are very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► his morality is very different but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► incredibly intelligent and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► such a great character to see you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► it is almost like an alien being in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► way where he's he's except that he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► portrayed as being kind of like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► ethereal beings that are above us he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► a is a killing machine but yet also is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► has all these other traits that are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► much better than the people we see it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► just it's a it's a really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► character true and I think he says at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► one point the Betty what he does is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► survives like he goes and he's been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► all these different battlefield he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► killed people on every confidence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► write the main thing that he has learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► is that he survives no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► battle he goes into he is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► survive and that's kind of how frames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► his whole view outlook on life he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► what he needs to do to survive and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► overrides his genetic programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► somehow because he want he needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► survive he's not just going to lay down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and die like the rest of them like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► think he should write when we need him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► right he's been bitten by a gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► crocodile and his arms almost falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► off and he only has the 1i and but he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► makes it he survives it's hard it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► enormous half man half tiger hyena dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► monster guy any word you what you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► expect that he be difficult to kill is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► this is true anyway he would I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► really that was really good character to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► write was nice to see more of him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► get a little more since I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► in fact maybe the next book will just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► all about tool the Avengers a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► that's right yeah it could be open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► but maybe who knows it could be so so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► general the thumbs up for a drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3598">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► general the thumbs up for a drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► cities yeah i would think if you liked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► ship breaker you like the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► i don't know if you necessarily have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► I mean you don't they don't continue the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► no no crosses over so they stand alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► you don't have to read one or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► if we're going to implementation I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► the implication is that is that drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► cities comes after ship breaker but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► that it's not it's not a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► me a tool never mentions yeah any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► what he's done in the previous book so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► right if you had to choose if you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► have time for one of them i would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► yeah but it really quick reads and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► are both well done so i would say thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► yeah they don't feel dumb down I mean to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► get back to the point about yaa books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► and general david this is not a it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► dumb down book it just because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► there isn't there isn't bad language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► just maggots stream agate and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► offended by the word maggot don't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► that around cities there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► maggots are there is a lot of maggots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► all over the place but it's so funny to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► me that so young adult fiction you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► and don't have sex but it's okay to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► cutting down kids and have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► horrible violent things yeah really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► twisted like psychological things going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► that's ok but hey don't swear yeah we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► want the kids to get the wrong idea yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► it's a very strange set of parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► because it is it is so I mean what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► they're these are kids in with my ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► machetes hacking off the arms of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► kids and throwing acid in each other's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► faces you know this is not just horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► yeah it's not that they don't swear they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► just a maggot exactly so it's ok so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► all right i don't have sex except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► the except well actually is a sex scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► in and around cities i guess we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► say because they wouldn't they they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► yes his initiation into being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► faceless member of a militia and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► was that reminds me the kind of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► really chilly point for me is when mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► starts at some point so the the kids uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► basically shanghai mouse and he becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► a soldier right and they give my name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► and donate right coast is his new name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► and at some point during the narrative a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► Palo stops calling and mouse himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► stops thinking of himself as mouse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► yeah at that point you're like oh boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► that's after they get them to get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► high and they thrown into the whorehouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► basically the nail shed with Neil shed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► girls and when he wakes up the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► it's like ghosts woke up it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's terrible that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► it's a it's his it his adventure is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► he has a little PS a nice moment at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► end but it's not that nice shirt and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► mean I'm not a approved and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► think that kids need to be sheltered but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► I i was reading this I thought to myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► this is really a young adult book I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► it seems very extreme for a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► the violence seems a little like my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► I'd say the high school level and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► my daughter I wouldn't have my daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► read at ten there's no way but for high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► school kind of audience i think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► when i was reading stuff that was again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► probably inappropriate for or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► would be considered an appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► I you know was fine read that piercing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► ok so their sex in this book alright I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► don't know anything about that i'm only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► 15 but i am going to read it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► know it which might be working in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► own way if piers anthony is teaching you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► well that is gonna be dark got a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► thing but but I bi it this is yeah this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► is a like a high school level kinda and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► I mean I don't think it was it there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► nothing that offended me your nose like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► a file it was of it's a good book i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► just reading it is the thing about young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► adult fiction that throws me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► work young so I never know how young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► people are who are supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► reading this I think red said it's sorta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► like it's sorta like 12 to 17 or 10 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► 17 and it's a broad broad spectrum and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► feel like my daughter is is creeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► toward being able to read some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► but it would be on the lower you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► that the the younger and if admitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► that is a broad range and at the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► end you've got things that are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► essentially adult but it without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► know hardcore kind of sex and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► language stuff which is you know fine i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► mean i-i who's to say that this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► would have been this book regardless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► that it's just both of these books are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► late able to be labeled as yaa because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► they are what they are right you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► or that but that politics loopy is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► not he doesn't feel the need to have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► know rough language and sex in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► book that he writes I mean the windup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► girls got more sex and it's got more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► rough language but he's not there some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► writers that I think if you take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► stuff away from them they would have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► hard time and that he doesn't strike me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► as being rather like that so maybe he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► writing is appropriate for that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► format right and I think like Ren said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► she didn't even realize that ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► breaker 10 adult book until she looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► at it isn't a good sign that is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► sign and I think that is very true i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► don't it doesn't feel like he set out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► kind of reddish in on the eight kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► here's a book kids it's not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► you're gonna like it when you buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► so before we go I wanted to ask even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► though it's just you and me I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► Scott a oddly enough i just finished a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► book that i was reading today so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► it's not that on that you would finish a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► well that'sthat's know what I guess not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► so the book i just finished was the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► only a sanction which is a mystery set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► in ancient greece about this character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► who is an agent and he looks into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► this mystery about this the sky who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► representative of another city in athens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► and he dies mysteriously and so he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► so it's it's a detective novel set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► ancient greece it is in fact that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► crazy that's great and there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► series of books that I'm reading that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► a detective series set in ancient Rome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► so is it interesting a while there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► ancient Oracle detective historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► detectives in ancient in the Asian child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► detective series there there probably is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► Chronicle this is a good thing it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► gold mine and and how about urself jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► i am currently reading Leviathan wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► Oh which is one of the hugo nominees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► we are going to do i believe our next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► book club is going to be the the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► novel nominees in a few weeks once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► everybody gets a chance to read some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► them I think we've all read some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► because we've actually done a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► that's true embassy town and a dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► hmm i but but i have no idea to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► deadline which is the sequel to feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► oh I really cute which you have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► even say no don't spoil me sky any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► than you already have I want to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► fresh because i'm going to read it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► only reason i would read it is if it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► nominated for Hugo and it did i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► read it I am dreading the third one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► getting knob and what a guy what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► other OEM among others by John Walton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► which has got to be the leader in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► clubhouse I mean oh that is such and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► which one we should say Joe Waltons book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► among others which we praise on previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► podcast one the nebula award which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► voted on not by fans who nominates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► terrible books like feed store but by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► the science-fiction writers association [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► of america so it's the science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► writers themselves nominating their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► peers and Joe Waltons book among others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► won the Nobel award for best novel and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► i heartily endorse the nebula orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► because that was a great choice and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► figure i'm probably gonna vote for among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► others for the hugo such a great book uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► I having read all of the hugo of what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► don't want to ruin anything but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► among others is the best yeah that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► best one so sorry Leviathan wakes which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► is also funny and that it is a it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► sort of on one level it's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► space operate kind of the man is spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► throughout the solar system and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► people and all the different systems but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► it too has one of its interlocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► stories is really a detective story it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► up who's on the cut you know he's a cop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► assignment but it's about a girl who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► missing and is it his lieutenant tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► him to drop it but he can't drop it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► mean it's all these great detective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► Norrish kind of tropes it's true except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► it's happening in an asteroid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► there's a war happening and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► mysterious ships that are blowing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► other ships and i'm only about halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► through it but I'm enjoying that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► that's and because I I registered for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► the for the hugo awards i am I got the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► got that novel as a as a PDF as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► my packet as a voter and so I just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► reading it on my iPad and in the PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► which was very very pretty and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► single the sequel just came out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► there's a secret i didn't even know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► I hope I i hope i can do you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► because then I'll that I'll read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► sequel but I'm enjoying it so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► so that's what i'm reading is well fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► weeks before that i read the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► cities which we talked about before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► trying to keep up for the the book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► Imperium which is a leica space opera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► parody basically these bows and i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► book on my kindle now that i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► mention that it was on sale and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► even still be on sale i don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4198">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► you you said on Twitter that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► enjoy smart space opera you should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► Sun of Suns yes i carly schroeder which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► alright well Scott I feel like we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► we've covered the world the depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► future the destruction world of Paolo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► Bacigalupi i think i think i I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► little worried about him I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► needs to lighten up because i have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► seen his twitter account is why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► girl is icon is a is a Mexican wrestler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► mask i did he's also maybe that is made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► so it's fun yeah it's kinda started but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► I read his i should say i read his short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► story collection pump six which is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► good but again really depressing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► it's the same stuff it is the it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► terrible you know eco catastrophe peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► yeah exactly had so i will close up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► book club for this time and thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► serenity caldwell who has left us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► because she didn't read she's right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► reading the drowned cities and learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► about the psychology of half-man tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► and and scalability thank you so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► for being here and and reading both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► books and turning me on to ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► you're welcome i take all the credit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► any good book you've ever read and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► glad that we got to got to the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► cities before you'd forgotten what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► in it I that I'm also glad that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► i read is what happens is i read so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► we decide on a book that we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► talk about so i think i have to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► this immediately and then not thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► oh it's probably like a month or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► before we actually talked about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► everybody else has to read it to exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► and then I forget everything right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► you so we got at this time we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► I've only read two books since I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► the drowned cities and i should say for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► the those people out there who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► join the the incomparable book club you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► can find us on goodreads later on we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► selection is going to be the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► nominees so if you search for Hugo 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► nominees but uh you know as we said they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► are a dance with dragons by george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► martin among others by Joe Walton both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► of which we've talked about a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► embassy town by China Mieville which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► had a whole podcast about that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► listen to if you like and the two that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► have not yet read Leviathan wakes which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► i'm reading now which is by James sa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► Corey just not a real person not a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► person and me and deadlines which is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► mira grant also not a real person it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► true and that's the sequel to feed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► for those of you who hate us beating up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► on feed but I'm sorry for those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► who love love to hear the beating up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► feed we're going to read the sequel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► then we're going to talk about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► true i would say what I thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► alright until that that forthcoming in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► this is jason sell for the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► thanks for listening thanks for tuning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4401">TS</a>]