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the in comfortable podcast number 95 to
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wear it well
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welcome back to being comfortable
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podcast on your post Jason Snell and we
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have a very special podcast for you
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tonight I'm joined over the magic of
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skype by Monty Ashley who is the
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recapture for Game of Thrones on
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television without pity and our very
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special guest because we're going to be
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talking about season 2 of Game of
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Thrones haimanti hello thanks for being
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no problem and in the same room as me
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for a very very rare special occasion we
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have three other in comfortable guest
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this is contravening the constitution of
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the uncomfortable which not does not
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allow more than two of us to be in the
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same place at the same time of the whole
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podcast dies
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Scott McNulty is a table secure remote
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he is with the Secretary of Agriculture
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right now yeah so join me to my left
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although you can't see him because radio
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we're not here to my radio left is dave
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morin hi dan I Jason nice to see you and
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put it is nice to see you know we're
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looking to do not like I'm trying but I
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don't want to look at the mic and talk
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to me look at you sideways
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I used to sit doing these podcasts
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sitting on my bed with the door closed
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with a USB put a microphone in my lap
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I'm and I'm and I'm not wearing done in
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the world i made wearing pants right now
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so it's a big it's a big change serenity
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Caldwell is leaning into a microphone is
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which she went as if she was going to
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speak which is funny because I can see
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her cause she's in the room with me how
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I know hi I'm very glad that everybody
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in this room is in fact wearing pants
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yes this is a good thing so far so far I
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mean you never know you never know
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and across from me is John siracusa who
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is in whose west of the Mississippi for
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one of his rare excursions to the left
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coast hi John that is that is John
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syracuse over there or not sure if he's
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real or the hologram he claims to be
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epic Jason will do it live doing live
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we're doing it live except not streaming
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a live not live
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yeah ah sigh live fish I should've
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brought my macbook air it would have
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worked with this but well so Monty sorry
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you couldn't be here
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that's alright but it's nice that we
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that we have you on because you've eaten
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the show for television without pity
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doesn't that mean that you have to watch
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it every episode like several times i
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watch them about two-and-a-half times
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each the halftime just going through
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making sure that i actually have
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someone's particular wording correct
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because i have a lot of quotes that I
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put in does that does not diminish your
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enthusiasm for the series by the way to
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happen to have to do it or not yet it's
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not a very long season luckily at this
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if you recap show with that's 22
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episodes you get really sick of it but
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so far it's only two or two-and-a-half
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months so a new episode comes up there
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looking forward to it and about the time
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i'm starting to think oh god then the
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season's over
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that's good that's good so when we last
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left the game of thrones there were some
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dragons Darby dragons nice a baby
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dragons hatched
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so you Ned Stark was dead
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having better take a shot dead baby
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more like I'm dead stark go home
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hey yeah that's why I'm here that's what
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a pain wow so that's what it looks like
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when you make terrible terrible jokes i
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did the napping yeah well I room by
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myself I got to see his looking to leave
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when he did that that's very exciting
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let's see what else there are many kings
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many Thrones maybe so i throw my name
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then throwing many it's like it's really
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like musical chairs the game of thrones
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or a cakewalk one of those two carnival
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game really festival game music stops
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and then somebody dies
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ok you don't have the game Jason yeah
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paper is right it's true especially
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necessary especially Joffrey so that it
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so this is obviously this season was
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based on the second book in the series
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this is the the point at which this this
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one book per season will begin to break
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down because the third season is
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probably not going to be the third book
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but part of the third book is third book
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is gigantic butt so in this season we
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have let's see what we have so so Tyrion
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comes to force the hand of the King in
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King's Landing which I is in my mind is
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one of my favorite things about
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the season and about the book to is that
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we get to see a lot of Tyrion and he
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gets to do smart things and and so that
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that's happening here we have Jon Snow
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beyond the wall and an heiress kind of
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having a little sojourn in the city of
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cars those are two stories that felt
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like they could have been told in like a
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single episode except that they
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stretched it out / / 10 episodes well
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because then otherwise you have like you
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know oh so episode 7 is about you but
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that's the only evidence we see and use
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you know it reminded me of you watch the
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first season of battlestar galactica
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every every episode had like a
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minute-and-a-half with helo
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oh yeah and the Skylon girlfriend on the
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planet and that was the worst plot line
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and it was the worst and at the end of
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the season my wife turned to me and she
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couldn't you just edit that whole thing
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together into like one episode it's like
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meanwhile helo when around with his
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girlfriend that reminded me about a
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little bit where it's that stall ball
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kind of thing like that we don't have
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anything for them to do but really but
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we need to show them so you don't forget
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who they are and bother me though like
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it i guess they could have compressed it
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onto one but it weren't you
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I liked it when they cut back to them
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and say what's the nearest up to and
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then you'd see her do something and be
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like oh that's nice
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and then you go back like it's a palate
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cleanser I think that structure worked
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for for the show I didn't want myself
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like they're going back to them again
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Michael I wasn't sad about it is just
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one of the structural problems of the of
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the of the book is that there they don't
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have a lot to do over the course of the
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story it's nice to see them again but
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when you think back to sort of like what
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Denarius do
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yeah she found the town and met the guy
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hand and her diagonal rubble and
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resolved that they could have given her
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more to do in the books Jaime Lannister
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doesn't do anything for the entire
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second well that's true that you back
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today mr. nitin indicate you spend a lot
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of time with metal around it had yeah
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you got to kill a guy in this one you
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know and and be grumpy and say things
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that were mildly threatening which him
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because he's basically not in the second
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book so so but yeah I you know I always
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like Jon Snow he's always been one of my
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favorites and it's a and it was a little
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disappointing to not not see more of him
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but that's just how about how the book
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went although i love the setting that I
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guess they shot all of the John's
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no not only does it feel like it's a
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different show which kinda is a
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different show because they shoot
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different parts in different parts of
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the world so rightly so about that
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background with like you know the
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mountains and everything is I mean it
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looks great
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it's Iceland they went to Iceland to
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shoot the north of the wall stuff and it
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looks fantastic i mean really does not
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feel they're CGI in there too but it is
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not the alleged suddenly like me to make
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a cgi plan at their own they're like
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actually called I think they I think
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they are and they're freezing and
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miserable you could method and trask
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this to something like off where it
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actually looks like where you are as
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opposed to you know off with Norway
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what's the matter
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yeah it's terrible i'm not saying it is
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hot 30 is very important I mean then it
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would be a completely different shot no
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one like Captain Kirk is is jettisoned
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lands on the ice planet in star trek
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he's it's not even a soundstage he's in
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the parking lot of dodger stadium
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because I've seen that the in a
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behind-the-scenes clips it's like fake
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snow blown on the parking lot of Dodger
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Stadium and whereas the ice and they do
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a good job but it's not you know that
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Iceland landscape is a real landscape
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that they're walking over there on a
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frozen lake and and I was like the north
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of the wall stuff there's way more of
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that you know obviously spoiler but you
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know in future there's more of that in
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the future the story continues which is
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great because it looks so great we just
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didn't get a whole lot of it this time
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i'm wondering i guess you should
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restructure this by the different little
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story chunks because this is one of the
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funny things about Game of Thrones is
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that is that we're really looking at a
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lot of parallel stories and occasionally
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they cross over but it's really the this
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series of parallel stories then there's
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a lot less crossover I mean I think we
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started out right in the first season
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with all these characters and there are
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sort of a couple knots of characters and
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then over the course of the first season
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and and furthermore in the second season
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they start to all move in separate
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directions so we end up with all these
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different independent storylines and
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there are not as many intersections in
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season two I feel like a lot of the
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characters are left to sort of go on
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their own devices we do get a few
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including a couple I think invented for
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the TV show ones the I think the scenes
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with a area and Syrian military unit i
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win right
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oh yeah those are on the other hand have
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ignited
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but I don't believe any of that is
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really she she acts as a cover for
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someone that I did not think it was time
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when no one else is a copper for mommy's
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got the fax she spends a lot just
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finished the book as well as just having
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flu season she spends a lot of time just
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being a prisoner and Harrenhal and then
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when Tywin leave she comes a cupbearer
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for whatever random guys left in charge
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of Harrenhal and then she gets to start
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killing people off
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I thought that was nice though the
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tender meats Tywin what the Ascension of
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the second season is that these
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characters who were more or less
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together in the first season have now
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been spread to the four winds and you
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want as a viewer to floor it to for them
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to get back together you want to see the
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mother reunited with child you want to
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see are you get back two of them you
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about what's going on are flying between
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them and then they don't have iphones
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and they just got the friggin birds they
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killed all the birds and like that
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that's a good reminded me of the
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attention of what's your name that the
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girl who went missing in walking dead
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alright I think that was the whole
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second season of walking dead is a
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Stephanie your general whatever that
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girl goes missing and that underlies the
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entire season so this was all like those
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people who you like bad things happen to
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them in season one and season two
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they're all spread out and you want them
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to like you want them to get together
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and even where Sophia where Sophia we
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want you want more bad things to happen
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to the people that you don't like I said
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well right now but that's like it's I
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thought that was nice i thought it added
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it added an extra element of tension two
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scenes that would otherwise be like you
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know because it's just always in the
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back of your mind that one night you
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know as I think I mentioned in the first
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in about when we talk about games of
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Thrones last year that still remains my
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favorite line from the first season is
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in the first episode Ned Stark saying to
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John Snow oh I'll tell you about your
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mother next time i see you and having
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read the book and I point just laughing
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hilariously looking at it yes I'll
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resolve all mysteries in the next time
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we talk
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yeah we'll just watch it together for
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you know for a coffee
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yeah like 10 episodes will be good in
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the 11th episode yeah there is no maybe
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comes back as a white Walker and like me
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looks headless yeah you're so sure I
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mean kinky coffee but he doesn't have
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ears and he'll never hear the story it's
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so touching the worst tries to speak but
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there's no head so we can't say anything
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is awkward
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india so generates so the Jon Snow story
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is a lifetime movie they basically they
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basically saddle up and go beyond the
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wall to find mance rayder right we lose
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the like masking an army who are they
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looking for they're looking really
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looking invention the the start no they
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don't they go out to look for you know
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the wild things right to basically
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figure out what's going on that you
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don't be on the wall that wasn't made
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clear to me as a viewer who hasn't read
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the books what it is they were like this
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stuff going on north of all this the
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wildlings but then why did they feel we
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have set out from our little
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fortification and now we need to go out
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into the cold area well I don't think
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they sort of get that Mance Rayder is it
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start building an army
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yeah they know two things manage all the
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wildlings have gone north to wherever
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match Raiders cave is actually he's in a
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cave and also there's those two guys
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that came back from the dead
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sure the whites and answer but this this
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makes them decide this small band that's
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charged with guarding the wall everyone
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mount up
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let's go into the wild to do what
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exactly you know to to scout scout that
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is gonna check it out to see what Mance
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Rayder is doing with his army take care
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of what needs doing it you know the last
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several scouting parties didn't come
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back including bench and start right so
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naturally you just gotta write the Great
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Britain people and you know maybe the
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the most important people in the Nights
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Watch to scout because none of the other
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press scouting parties come back what
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could possibly go wrong on that so then
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they go to date they go to Craster's for
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a little while
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yeah where he's got he's got which is
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which is unrelenting from the novel
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which although he was not quite as i
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pictured him but it was I mean the
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setting is is well and the concept which
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is that he has he has sex with his his
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daughters and then they kill all the
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baby boys and keep the girl with a
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camera on it they giving it to Eddie
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give you a white Walker yet which I'd
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already blessed in the show they don't
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actually show it happening in the moment
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it's it's sort of alluded to I feel like
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but it was it was effects that guy well
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we know they've given us a lot more
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glimpses we started out right and the
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first book opens and the first series
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opens with manual and and an encounter
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right Walker but I feel like by the end
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of season do especially by the very last
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shot we have seen a lot more of them
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than we ever really see in the book like
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clear like from a clear perspective and
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so you know i i've sort of mixed
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feelings about that because on the one
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hand it look kind of cool about the
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zombies are cool that the whites but at
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the same time everyday it
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it reduces some of the mysteriousness
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around them and especially when you have
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to apply like special effects it's one
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of the few elements of the show
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basically that in the dragons that are
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really into a certain extent Melisandre
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yes the other one
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those are kind of the magic the magic
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element which is sort of few and far
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between in the first season and in the
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second season becomes much more
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prevalent up
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that's an original engine that I was
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also the guy that Daenerys talks to the
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Warlock separate like this
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he's like me she asked guy but like this
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this idea like that i like the fact that
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they open the show because i knew
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nothing about Game of Thrones and so the
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opening scene is the white Walker
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something like this it can be sure about
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these magic monsters and then nothing
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for a long time but then at the end of
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season one dragon so now the whole I
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don't know how game of thrones goes in
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the book but I think of the thing as a
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bunch of annoying human squabbling with
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each other all the while supernatural
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forces are massing on all sides and they
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don't realize it and they don't know
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what's coming
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that is true it is the theme of the
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books right is that is that humans are
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fighting each other and killing each
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other and meanwhile something really bad
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is going on from everywhere and other
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than the Nights Watch yeah nobody's
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paying attention and damaris anyone near
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Daenerys she's got dragons these guys
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are zombies and this is crazy witch lady
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and you know what's really funny is to
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put in parallel there i don't know if
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any of you have played there is a game
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of thrones board game which is sort of a
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tactical board game but what I love
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about it is you're basically all playing
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the houses and you're sort of squabbling
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and meanwhile there's sort of a counter
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that goes on waiting until the others
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come and a certain point you all have to
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sort of band together and secretly you
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sort of bid how many like armies you're
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going to commit
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and if you all like if you turn it over
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and it turns out you're bitten off your
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fine and then but everybody tries to
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jockey with each other like I'm not
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going to commit that many forces because
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I don't want to leave myself undefended
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and so one time I was playing with my
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friends and we all bit like one and when
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the walkers just come down and like wipe
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you a question is like well I guess we
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learned a lesson there
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sadly the people in this book not gonna
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learn that was yeah no spoilers
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narratives man
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no and I'm not giving any somebody's no
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no baby you could sort of you can sort
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of put it together when ya based on how
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these guys act that's really the name of
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the of the of the story is that man
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squabble 'he's and doesn't recognize
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this existential threat that is
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happening and and the i think in the is
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it the first season where they send the
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guys to King's Landing to recruit more
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members little urine and write going
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ends up taking re away with him and then
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he meets with a an unfortunate end but
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that's how she gets out of King's
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Landing that whole thing is like they're
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trying to drum up support for the the
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because the Nights Watch we see them and
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they've got their little castle and all
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that but this story is that they don't
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they don't have any resources they used
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to have feel like all these camels along
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the border and only let's see only three
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of them have people and it's been a
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thousand years or whatever it's gonna do
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that you know we don't need these guys
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I'm plus that there Pete there they're
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recruiting system sucks because it's
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like a wall you'll never be able to
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marry and again tonight and get a
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criminal
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ok anybody basically like Australia exit
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colder it's like the priesthood you
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can't you can't you can't really say you
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can't say no you deny them the right to
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marry that that's that's a real real
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part hurts their recruiting efforts i'm
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really surprised that the Nights Watch
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functions as a you know an actual
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organization and all of the ax murderers
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and criminals don't try and staged a
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you know I mean they don't work together
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that that ya know is that you know they
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they're basically given the option you
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want to die or you 52 you want to
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continue living basically like life
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sentence but like you know essentially
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not be a prisoner and you know that
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people want to live I think the violent
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environment would make them so they
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don't get hard it's hard for them to run
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for example and they don't have a lot of
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other options and there are enough
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people in there who are either
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therefore other white-collar reasons so
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to speak
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my dad didn't love me that's why he
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essentially or for voluntary reason I
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mean I try to remember if it's is it i
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don't remember enough of the books
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because it's been awhile since i've read
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them i don't remember if Mormon if they
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ever give the reason that he ends up
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there other than does he go voluntarily
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the the old bear the commander
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yeah i don't know i don't think I mean
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he's obviously not a criminal and you
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know i believe i lost a bet it ya know I
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think it has something to do with his
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with you with his son right right moment
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yeah oh yeah not not giving away
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spoilers but there was something that's
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not a spoiler there are two different
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languages there are two more yes yes we
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don't know i mean we know they're really
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because there isn't related and we know
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that you are always exiled you just
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don't know why yet but anyway the night
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watches you know they're the last guards
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of humanity and their their their
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underfunded their crappy it's a little
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but it's not it's not a lot of pot holes
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in the wall and so don't have the money
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to fix ya and plot holes but it's an
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infrastructure problem so John goes and
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ends up it actually what i would say is
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one of the weakest things in the second
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season is that they find the wildling
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girl I egret and um and the other Nights
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there we're gonna leave you take care of
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her and kill her
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we're gonna we're gonna go over here
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thought they did a better job of
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explaining in you know in terms of in
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the TV show like they're basically just
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gonna kill her right and he doesn't want
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to kill her
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yeah he's like well no I'll do it you
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know kind of realized why did they go so
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far away why don't you just go around
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the corner like it did you kill my
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apartment yet come out like they just
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like no actually believed you for a day
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I'm gonna go take I need to get them
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separated somehow it's all right i think
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the other that I think coroner the other
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Rangers don't like job snow right he was
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attached to their little delegation and
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they're thinking you kill her
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they just tiptoe away hope united
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watching him they're ditching we're
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gonna go get some fast food i think it
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was realistic they would say you kill
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her as kind of like a test of like show
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that you're up for you know we've been a
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lot of wildlings we kill them and your
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new guy so show us that you understand
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the room when we meet these guys we kill
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them and so you know it's like a test to
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see if you've got an especially if you
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use the hot redhead is production but he
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fails the test you know but that that
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was a test you failed so we get you get
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the next that then they get captured by
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the Wildings right yeah she leads him
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into a trap
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the worst thing you could wrap not only
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can I kill her he can't keep a prisoner
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he doesn't like his the worst he's also
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not good with women because she's so
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pretty great with the night and chewing
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apparently he's a good at fighting but
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he's incompetent many other ways and
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probably deserves to be in like you know
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nothing Jon series gonna carry him or
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I'll bring you by a string but this will
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be attached to you and I we like sex
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cuddle he was raised settle in
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Winterfell he's not really a ranger come
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on everyone in this world lousy at
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keeping prisoners right of the season
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escape with bran and Rickon were about
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to escape are you had already escaped
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they love taking prisoners they can't
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hold them
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yeah that would slow down the plot even
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more the i really i really like although
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he doesn't get much time in the TV show
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I like corn half handle a lot million
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part of that is just mainly the
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characterization from the books he's
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basically like you know the
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tough-as-nails doesn't really like this
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guy but kind of also is smart enough to
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know what's going on and how you know
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essentially sacrifices himself for what
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is the only real option so in the TV
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show it is much more it's much less
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obvious than in the books that the way
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they do it is that is that have hand in
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the eighth episode tells John basically
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when the time comes you're gonna have to
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do what you need to do and then there's
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the ninth episode where they don't
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appear and then in the 10th episode he
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picks a fight with them and and jon is
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forced to kill him
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which is interesting is in the books as
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i recall Monty you just read it you can
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remind me of this that and I recall it's
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much more like they get in a position
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where they realize that they're going to
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be in trouble and
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half and basically tells him okay you
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need to kill me now because the only way
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either of us is getting out of there is
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if you do that and can prove your
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loyalty to them and and it's spelled out
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very clearly and I'm not sure whether
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it's better or worse that it's done this
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way it's more ambiguous I think it's a
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little more unclear for for the viewer
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but uh but I mean like it's lesson is
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also less of that kind of like stage
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whispering headed right now am i killing
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me and I thought it was heavy-handed in
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the show I thought I thought I thought
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isn't it
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I thought it was so heavy hands like you
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know we're all in a business like you
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know having one of us the inside would
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be great if you can do what must be done
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like that do you have to spell it out
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four majors i rolled my eyes but then
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with them when they were fighting and
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they were killing mark was like what's
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going on him i did you see that other
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episode where he's like a few can do I
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thought it was so heavy-handed that's
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like and I thought it would be it was
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like a human element where jon snow
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doesn't go what do you mean what do you
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mean do what must be done like a you an
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idiot he just said it would be great to
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have one of us on the inside and then he
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and right after that he yells at him and
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says you know right now what would have
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been much better but if you have and it
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said it would be great to have one of us
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on the inside and it was generally but
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not why not busy right after that like
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on and then I don't actually remember
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that scene in the book and I think it
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might actually be something that happens
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right at the beginning of the third oh
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ok well our cat because once it is one
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of the things they did do in this series
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is is there's some stuff in the end of
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the first season that's from the second
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book and their stuff at the end of the
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second season is from the third book and
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they also withheld some stuff from the
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second book because they didn't want to
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cast characters and have them in one
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scene of one season so like we don't see
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Mance Rayder frog men we don't see the
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field we don't see the Frog people we
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don't it's just like how we didn't see
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sounds like it's like frog be sorry we
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was gonna be on windows into the show
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frogadier's we don't see we don't see
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scan us in the first season even though
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he's in the previously mentioned he's
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mentioned but we don't see them even
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other scenes with him look I think I
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think there was a problem the series is
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a lot of time they would put characters
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on the screen and I'm like wait which
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one is he
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because I'd heard Stannis Baratheon and
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like I know that name but I don't
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recognize the actor and I guess because
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he wasn't in the first season but I they
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kept talking about him and Renly they
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talked about right you know but it
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really does appear though they have the
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first she's
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will they ever seen him in the night of
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y-yeah hard to forget yeah and the
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knight of flowers are buddies that's why
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that's why his betrothed people talk
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about that in the first season Michael
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did you have trouble falling with all
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these characters like nose right on
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board but season 2 it start to lose me
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and because I was like it's not going to
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get into it was only like for the first
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three episodes that I settled in but it
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was because it's like all the all these
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new actors are like I thought Renly was
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new I mean I guess it did seem in season
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1 but he was so unimportant in this
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season it's like Stannis and Renly and
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that whole thing is like you don't
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remember the scene with the night flower
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shaves his chest and season one I didn't
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recognize them as the same guy i like my
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wife reminded that for me i remember the
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scene but I didn't connect that guy
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what's interesting is to we've already
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met minor character we met characters in
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a minor capacity in season that wanted
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to that appear later i'm thinking
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particularly of we have a brief
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appearance in season one of beric
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Dondarrion was the sort of this becomes
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this mercenary leader in the the
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Brotherhood without banners from and I
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which is reference but which is
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reference and we don't medium but he
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appears in a brief scene where like
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Robert tells him
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oh go up to the Riverlands and root out
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all these troublemakers and we like he's
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out there for 30 seconds like all right
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I'm off them to do that number kind of
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wondering are they gonna bring back the
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same like random same a dude that they
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had the letters it totally recast they
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only change that cup electors I think
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they the mountain is played by different
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guy is the one season typically huh
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seems like it'd be hard to find another
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guy who looks like this put a big guy
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with the dominant side of his head
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no that's the dog that surrounds his
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brother who had this right dude
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yeah if anything of scarier than that
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yeah I wouldn't notice that recast that
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because all you see is like you know his
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shoulders and his chin
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I know yeah it's like that guy police
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squad so so I'm let's talk about the
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Brethren brothers because they're
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they're both in playing a game account
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on the way and yes the brothers
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Baratheon I think that's what you're
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thinking fine independent film they they
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they have that interesting scene where
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they they have that conversation like
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well join with me as I know join with me
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know and then the the one of those
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shocking uses of magic where where the
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red lady Melisandre like has a shadow
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baby down in a boat somewhere that's
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pretty efficient magic I mean it was
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strangely produced but it went and got
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the job
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done right away right i mean
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conventionally produced to just you know
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instead of a regular baby there was
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smoke baby there was yeah yeah it had
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like this purple shadow baby did not
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mess around just went right to i'm
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supposed to go and kill this one person
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i will come out materialize I will kill
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him I will leave its magic magic
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assassination which pity which I like an
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actual price i like it because John
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sighs what Ollie what George Martin does
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that in these books that i think is is
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good and that they picked up for the TV
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show is these moments of shocking magic
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where you you're logged into feeling
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like I'm watching a world where the
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rules are the rules of the world and
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said you know it's a different setting
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but all the rules apply and then there's
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a magic shadow thing that comes and
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kills you and it's not going on but and
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i love that because it's that moment was
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a great fantasy right I I like also like
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I don't know how this is going to be
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resolved but i like the fact that she
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was like the whole you know you have to
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join my religion and like we're gonna do
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this whole big thing in your life boy
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he's getting bamboozle this is all made
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up BS right then she gives birth to
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shadow baby like how she was excited me
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I'm here runs out well you know i don't
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i'm still like skeptical about like her
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first you thought it was justjust
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power-hungry she's gonna trick this dupe
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the stupid guy into following her with
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this fake made up religion thing but she
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does have actual magic but as it turns
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victory that they will I really like
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that scene with a with Stannis and Renly
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of the sort of the brotherly aspect of
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it where it's just like neither of them
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you know there's so many resentments and
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everything built up over time that the
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two of them are just like you can't
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trust each other because they know each
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other so well in some ways but this
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regret in both of them like regretting
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both devices that you know because they
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want you know and you and it's hard to
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root despite the fact that Stannis you
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know and insofar as the the rules of the
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world to go you can look all right stand
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is technically now is the guide to do
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this but he's the wrong got like you
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know he's he's friendly is no prize
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either they're right there really is not
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much better but like what Stannis has
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that you know they were you know which
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everyone talks about which is just like
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he's got such a stick up his back
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really i don't think any of the
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candidates would be good Kings I don't
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understand like like who who is the
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better guy like whose motives or more
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pure who you know you know like they all
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have they all have weird motivations but
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like Sam is kind of like he's trying to
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be a stand-up guy like he's good too
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what's his name wasn't on the boat at
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the end what's this friend of the onion
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yeah yeah he was one of the few really
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redeemed like right and generally good
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character and addison shrinking you know
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he's spanish and her like are he's good
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he's gotta know you know he's honorable
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if not particularly agencies are making
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matic he makes bad choices but in
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general he's trying to do the right
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thing and ran late for the same thing
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really is not crazy and power-hungry
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like he's not he's not Joffrey you know
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or anything like that he's he's finds
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himself in a difficult situation as well
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and so that's why it's that kind of
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tragedy of those two brothers that if
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they had just they just talk to each
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well if you're gonna go by motivations
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the only candidates for King that really
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have pure motivations are garrisoned
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Joffrey well Benares is not very pure I
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think it crazy i think the world belongs
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to me because i have dragons does not
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mean i don't birth people i think relax
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King Robb has you know Rob at least the
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way it starts out which is to say Rob
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generally is like really I just want us
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to kind of be left alone but you're not
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going to do that so I think and then I'm
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really pissed off because you killed my
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dad and so I think you know rob has his
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flaws but at the same time he comes off
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looking pretty good
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based on the competition like even once
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you know we get him in season two we get
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him falling in love and he wants to
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screw over his tactical decisions
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because of his heart which is
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unfortunately you know that's my thing
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is just with real kings to we're talking
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about Joffrey has there ever been a
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better character that you love to hate
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that poor actor will he ever get a job
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again is so good at planes offerings
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oh man reminds me the kid who plays
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draco malfoy their economy that's
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everything I found Rico more more
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sympathetic away more simple trace those
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wrinkles not a sadist right now what
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draco starts out as being a little bit
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crazy right as like 11 and 12 year old
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boy he gets more relatable as he grows
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older Joffrey Joffrey start
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yes he's joking with you
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yeah you're really relatable one can
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even when he was trying to impress the
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girl and failing and hurting himself
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with like the swords by the right that
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was one relatable seen and that was the
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turning point is character and he just
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went you know what it's like if anyone
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didn't you read the stand I want to make
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this register right there now you didn't
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i'm not related to Joffrey in the scene
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were a hound quit
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yes yeah that's right there where he
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doesn't need that right what lousy kid
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with that seems odd man also where Terry
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and it's like listen go out there you
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need to do this as a kid like you could
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be there's still time to salvage us king
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that makes me go out there and do it
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maybe like tyrion more but I knew he
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wasn't going to write what I think
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there's a moment there's a moment of
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indecision in Joffrey that and then it's
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just you can he be redeemed in three you
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know right like he's just it's not that
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he's like necessarily in that moment you
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see that he's not he's not a douchebag
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necessarily because he's just I think he
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has problems but like it's fear at the
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root of that right
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he's just honestly scared and wants to
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hang out but he's already decided the
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way he deals with his feelings by fears
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by turning by turning into evil acts
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against others not to make some event
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but he's still I mean agreed but he's
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still young enough at that point that
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you feel like maybe you could change him
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but I have pity for his situation but
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but the character is he's like totally
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we all need just at a certain point it's
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just tipped and it's like there's no
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going back for him needs to be slapped
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in every stain and then eventually
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killed what I what I love about Joffrey
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is that he is the embodiment of
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everything that I've ever thought that
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in reading history about young people
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being put on the throne as monarchs
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which is which is and it's also a little
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bit like it like Anthony in that
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Twilight Zone episode 2 it's like you
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give absolute power to somebody who has
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absolutely no maturity at all
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what do you think is going to happen
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more often than not you are you are you
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are taking a huge risk that they're
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going to be so warped by their
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experience that got them to that point
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that you're the bad things are gonna
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happen Joffrey is the embodiment of that
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he is the wrong person in so many
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different ways to tip to be on that
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throne and yet he's the next design most
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as a what's-her-name license dog license
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son Robert Aaron Robert Aaron yeah we
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didn't see this year right you did tell
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you didn't do we see like that all this
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you know we didn't know how your issue
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will get her back we'll get their money
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yeah i like the fact that Cersei thought
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she could control like all but Joffrey
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up there he's my boy was holding me
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listen to me and that seemed like it was
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working out for like two episodes and
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then and then she lost it and now she's
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like this is dumb
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well I mean as I made him a scene where
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it's the same where he kills net right
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yeah the other season where she suddenly
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goes that was about again oh no so
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forgot that's right King
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so the best part the best part of this
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of this season is i think is Tyrion in
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that position where he's got his sister
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on one side he's for his father has
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invested in him
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recognizing that he's a very smart
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person and then also may be figuring
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what this might be unwinnable i'm just
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going to use Tyrion and this and if you
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close it so what
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but Terry and then is stuck between
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searcy and and Joffrey and he's an end
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it's this great dynamic of somebody you
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want to root for
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but his job is to fix it for all the
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terrible people and I love that because
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i want Tyrion to do well I wanted to
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succeed he's smart he's funny he's does
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quips he's he cares about his his
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girlfriend he slaps Joffrey which is an
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excellent
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it just happens to be from not-so-great
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family yeah but he's loyal two ish yeah
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that's the prophets Islam is all I don't
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like he says at the end of it like why
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don't you just leave it so it's not just
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like oh it's my duty it's like kinda
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like he's good i can just as easily he's
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willing to admit it's not just because
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of duties not just because of loyalty is
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not just because this one is good basic
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kind of enjoy it
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yeah i kinda like doing that turns out
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he's good at it because when we see in
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the first season he's kind of a drift
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right he's just he's going from place to
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place and he's disaffected he's grumpy
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and he meets Braun and they go to the
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earring almost dies but he brought saves
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them and they make the deal with the
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hill people and he's very clever but he
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said reason aired well drifter you waste
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of police has talent yeah and then in
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this it's like this is what he was born
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for which makes it so sad that at the
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end he gets no credit for kids you know
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did you say things that they gotta try
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to kill em season and especially yeah
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the whole scene on the Blackwater which
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I'm sure will get to you no he realizes
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that the only way to sort of you know
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get anything done is to do it himself
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and to lead everybody knows that because
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that's what you get credit for being a
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victory in battle right now I could like
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it but also because he knew that that
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without that would fail
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nothing would happen because that scene
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where Jeffrey runs away we were just
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talking about he's like you know you can
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see that he's losing everybody knows if
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he lets it go
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the city is just dead so you know he as
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much as he doesn't want to go out and go
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into battle not his forte maybe oh yeah
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but he does it because he knows that it
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has to be done
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yeah that makes you my the redeeming
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care and provides the inspiration that
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the King now cannot do
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butBut Tyrion fun Tyrion does what
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joffrey can't which is dig deep even
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even though he doesn't want to be out
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there and he's maybe terrified and does
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what he needs to do to save the city and
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who was sent to kill him one of the one
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of the Kingsguard sky right one of the
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when they when they send out the goods
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saying spent by who though there's think
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Cersei I mean according to various right
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now but who of course has his own agenda
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because i was confused at first i
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thought when i saw him getting attacked
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by his own guy I'm like the audit I
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wouldn't send him that send that guy you
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know because it seems like a pilot but
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it's kind of left and say oh cried
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because I was just buy one comes in and
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he's like I save the day you know and so
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yeah but I was not I mean like I think
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you get the impression from thailand
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character is that he's he's much more
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straightforward the net
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despite being yeah yeah like you get the
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interaction with mari actually are
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difficult person but he's really smart
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yeah and that management is sympathetic
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in a way that I never felt really like
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almost like he's honorable like he has
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his own code it's absolutely messed up
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code but it's his code and like well
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it's because he's been kind to someone
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that we like to add the right that he is
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decent there that he's not a jerk to her
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whatever just so happens that he's a
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jerk to the rest of the world
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raimondi sorry I we've been
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you're surfing you've been quiet
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thoughts about about the Syrian and and
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that's really well i agree that Terry
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and starts as an arrow well in fact the
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first time we see him he's being
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portrayed as a drunken whore mom oh yeah
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which he has you know whatever weather
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that everybody in the world is a drunken
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whore monitor just class hear about in
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most summer my original the original
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title being they live stream of drunken
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whore groans get Rockets around so it
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also we have Theon Greyjoy
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oh that you have people who take ya for
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the like maybe this guy is ok to the wow
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this guy is probably this is got this
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guy's like ninth circle of hell right so
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you actually goes home right he goes
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home yeah i'm going home is better than
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a hostage in Winterfell for all the time
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of day goin home now this wasn't clear
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for me from the show like when he's on
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his way home is his intention to it is
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is he going there fully intending to do
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the mission he was sent to do or is he
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going there the whole time thinking now
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you know like we know what he actually
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does but it's like I thought when he was
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on his way there
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he's gonna do a Rob set will get those
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guys you know I think so i think he is I
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think he feels he is at that point still
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feels like oh I'm Rob's buddy Rob wants
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to be king that'll put me in like a
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really great position in position I I
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kind of he's like my brother tiny go to
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my family and I don't be outright
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because they they'll miss me on the
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prodigal son returned right but the
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second he gets there it's like when
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everything goes south grand like in a
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second is like but but daddy why don't
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you love me and had sex with my sister
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and it would just mean you have
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secretary the field right yeah did I
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thought they did horse ride you don't
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know what happened it's just that his
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sister is a piece of work
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yeah yeah i mean that's a good
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characters I'm not really enjoyed the
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great for my family in general and we
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will meet more the Greyjoy family is an
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interesting group of those Islands
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that's not good for the tourist board
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for like probably the Iron Islands where
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they belong to the IRA all the people
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are terrible pay the iron pray come to
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be around in the water whatever what is
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their slogan LOL what is dead may never
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that is that's a great family slogan to
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run for City crack the the actual
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Greyjoy one which is the we do not so
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you know we're not we're not farmers we
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conquer like that in the iron price
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right that was which is it was a great
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scene where I love the culture clash
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there with Eon has been you know it's
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that you send the kids off to school and
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they and they get they get the altar get
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all uppity they get their their
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upbringing in their book learning and
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all over the evening and they come back
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and it's like you know hey mr. cultured
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guy we here we kill people and steal
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their stuff that's what we do here
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generally doesn't like sustainable
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economic system of tyrunt's they get
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pirate to have a mile Arizona and
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wrapping my fish five pirate fishing now
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that's what i'm actually they find the
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food the fish I'm gonna take it from
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them their fish pirates they're paying
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them have asked you scurvy fish boy
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anyway and it's so then beyond get the
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great idea to go to Winterfell which is
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a success in a way
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well that's part of the family those
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like yeah I got to go with his family
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program in my family programs disobey
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orders and take stuff and solve the heat
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you know i will disobey orders and i'll
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try to take stuff yeah and he will wish
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I comment and yeah it's fascinating to
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see just how far he'll go to write like
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we get the scene where he's taking over
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he's kind of whiny right about taking
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over why wont everybody respect me I
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concrete is placed on like that many
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guys I'm awesome that was like cause
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you're a dick
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well if that is like first in command is
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like you know you should really killed
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that guy i get everything he does is
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because of like it's like back he's
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doing it's like people future can you
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know all right well yeah but you don't
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kill these two little kids chicken mean
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it's worse
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yea and NEA and then in he feels like us
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to prove himself right so we have that
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whole thing where he tries to track down
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brand and Rickon because you let them
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get away with what's behind embarrassing
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he let a child a cripple and a half wit
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you know Escape and so does you know
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this really it's even more despicable
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right like that Sam he basically just
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kills two innocent I'm sure he'll do it
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but I like the part where he was forced
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to be the one to you know
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oh yeah still right I like the fact that
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he did it and didn't like that he's
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better than Joffrey already like the
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police to have the guts to do it you
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know i mean he he was shaking the whole
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time it couldn't
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handle it but go ahead Monty really like
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that on the show it was eons fault the
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kids escaped in the book it's they just
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kind of sneak out with their too weird
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green friends that aren't on the show
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but on the show it specifically because
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he couldn't not have sex with this weird
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wildly lady that leads to his big
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disgrace
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so it's more his fault that wasn't his
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fault this is incompetent guards he's
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not guarding all castle himself
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you might say he paid the ironic price
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uh we're gonna say that then you know
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the thing that stands out in my mind I
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is when beyond to take over Winterfell
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has two who is it that he that he kills
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like the leader of the guard right here
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that Roger casa record careful
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yeah the the the section where you
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basically date tries to behead him and
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yeah like eventually yeah but and you
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can hear the hacking away and I was a
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pretty good i haven't beheaded anybody
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but many general and we thought about a
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well that's telling me that's the
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parallel ism with Ned Stark exactly what
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other Lane cut says I'll do it whereas
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bianca i guess i could do it and then he
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can't do it and he hacks he goes through
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with it and that's and that's a
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different sort master right that's the
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guy who taught him how to find
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everything he was kind of a jerk but
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yeah and he ended up i do love that
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lasts in the last episode which one
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another had seen with the horn the guy
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who keeps playing the horn Outside the
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Walls i'm already kill that guy with
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this beautiful water give this big
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speech then punk and then they just
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bought him on the head that it's a great
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scene and killed and kill the poor old
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yeah yeah the Meister becomes your hand
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is one bad judgment it was to run out
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and say what's going on here just stay
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in the room you find it yeah what's
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going on all were poking people very
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equipped for that game sorry I did he
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not do not know where he lives
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it was a bad choice everybody's going to
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see what everybody nice guys John he was
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so wise and he was so good like a
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no-kill killing the Ravens and sending
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the message before like I had it all
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together and well I serve Winterfell and
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bought the end
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that one bad decision at the end what's
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going on here well they probably just
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would've burned him down then I seem
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like they were just added there I
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wouldn't know that the hope they come
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out remember yet i did it is alternately
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somebody could've got out here with all
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the ghosts are you know good hitting
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down in the down in the bottom line with
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the kids ramp in the crypts and the
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Crips eat meat so so uh let's talk about
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will move across the Narrow Sea and talk
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to do you know it's not true that
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overall in sync this time because we're
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all heels we're all here we don't have
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skype as an excuse to get ya muzik as we
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as we fly it yes we're moving across the
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Narrow Sea and to Daenerys Targaryen who
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is lost out in the in the desert because
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she was abandoned by the remnants of
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cultural goes army at the end of the
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first season but she has baby dragons so
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this season we got to see her first we
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see a few episodes where they're kind of
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venturing out trying to find somewhere
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to go and its really desperate and she's
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trying to hold them together which is
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interesting and then they find the city
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of cars and they go there negotiate
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negotiate worth that core cars cars cars
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and the gates both think yeah haha so
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mad at paneras for pronouncing it
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quarter when she had never seen it
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written down that was set to stupid lock
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well I mean think about she's been
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speaking you know when I don't even she
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learned about the great cities of yeah
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I'm gonna call incident angles Carl
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Drogo from now on area you know Carl
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Drogo carbon- Chicago that I know him
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he's a nice guy he's a good guy he fell
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off his horse that was everyone's yeah
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whatever you say clearly see the existed
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the existence of a city like cars like
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coming out of you know in the TV series
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like oh here's this world that we're
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concerned about it like what like this
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whole thriving economy and this other
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big giant entity that's over there and
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like the only one
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why don't we why don't we don't care
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about those people like that the shows
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for so provincial who cares who owned
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the gallons the Seven Kingdoms that was
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awesome City well just like twenty seven
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kingdoms left it isn't that the one
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that's I think that's part of the idea
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right as it turns out that that that
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this whole story were telling us in this
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backwater that's like the it's it's like
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not the part of the
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general that's cool i can't get a handle
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on how big this the planet is I'm he's
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looking at opening scene I i know but
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like like it was an amazing is it on the
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map it's the kind of candy that is like
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winterfeldt the King's Landing is that
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like that like you know the top and
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bottom of England or not like a tangent
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of the murder of Africa like no I think
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it's like Europe I think I think
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Westeros is meant to be kind of like the
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size of Europe Western PA you know you
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get my king landing is kind of like you
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know England but then you have stuff
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that goes below it can you also have
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stuff that goes but yea above it and
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apply and wait I've got like you know
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Winterfell is coming they're kind of
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scholarship wasn't there was like you
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can tell from my theories you can tell
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from how long it takes to go from place
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to place how big the map is so Roz went
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from Winterfell to King's Landing in one
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episode at the beginning of the season
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and Peter Littlefinger kind of jaded all
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around the place
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ignoring the fact that there was a war
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going on in the middle of season two so
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I feel like it can't be that big little
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finger has a private jet is a balloon
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nice it's gonna be what seems it's
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supposed to be a couple days ride from
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King's Landing to Winterfell because
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they were a little longer than that but
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Moving's right yeah yeah well on the
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kingsroad it's not supposed to take them
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that long because Aria when ru is
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traveling with the you know Nights Watch
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to be group they're supposed to only be
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on the roof or maybe it's maybe it's
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kind of the size of England if you
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measure from King's Landing two together
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at the wall yeah but then there's a vast
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sort of like an avian kind you get my
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going north and then you get like Dorne
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and stuff underneath which we have to
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place anymore
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that's like Spain kind of attitude of
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hot but the point is like going into
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Egypt to the point is it like for all we
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know what there's an equivalent of north
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america south america and australia that
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are like so far off these guys right
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over there it's hard to judge to based
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on like you know I definitely feel like
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that in this season where it's you know
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you'll see someone disappear and then
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like next episode will show up like
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halfway across the country like how a
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how long has gone by visual inspection
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system president but my impression at
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least the way I always viewed it was
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that that Westeros is in some ways like
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North America in the sense that it's
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like it's more recently settled and it's
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kind of a backwater and and then there
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and then there's the the main
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the all the cities on the main continent
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which is where the remains of ancient
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Valyria are and then there's like
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islands and some stuff to the south
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where it's just too hot in there be
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dragons there or not dragons monsters or
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something or whatever so so but i love
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that is not right that you go and you
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see the city of cars and you're like
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wait a second
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they've got like money and riches and
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magical internal combustion engines I
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don't know what they got airplanes fly
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safe that work a little magic things
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that go in them
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yeah generis wants to go across this
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yeah she wants the concrete application
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of concord cars are you where you need
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to go patient mean it was seriously
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finger doesn't matter an indoor plumbing
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their warlocks all the Warlord's you get
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into place with the Warlocks guy was
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creepy that was that was a good job with
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him I had no no I have no memory of
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genera storyline from the book of that
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is what they changed it i believe pretty
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much as you read this recently so you
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can back me up and I feel like they
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changed that pretty dress yeah well
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there was no dragon kid yeah that didn't
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no but I mean in general it's so unusual
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and she wanders around for a long time
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Marty in the books has three different
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ruling groups that all battle one of
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them's the 13 and the show I think
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wisely just cut everybody out with a 13
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and then killed 12 of the 13 movies
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about to know those guys either Canaris
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is a lot more rambling and boring and
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cars in the book in my know there's
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there's a lot of time with her sort of
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wandering around trying to figure out
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like how do i get the money to you know
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go back to where I want to go and have
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anything make good stories someone
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struggling with money problems right to
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vote good and it iron to see
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impoverished when you're quite when
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you're trying to take over the yeah I
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thought the narratives a little bit
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whiny the season like i like i like to
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arise from you know the from being you
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know when the property always figuring
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it out and now she just kind of got a
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little bit cranky and like what I
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mcqueen and no mother of dragons listen
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I die all my people got killed and I'm
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not a very good Queen I guess right well
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i mean i think and i think they set up
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nicely for just sort of that towards the
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end of this season it's sort of figuring
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out how she like who she needs to be and
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what she can do
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I'm to say all right now she's sort of
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acquired some of that confidence with
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all right I can take care of myself I
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know more or less i think he was loyal
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to me and I'm going to take that and use
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it as sort of my jumping off point is
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that what about my magical what you have
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what are you waiting so long to pull out
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the magic why didn't you all I got to do
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with these guys tell me I got a big this
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guy for money but apparently she could
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just go in there and say haha magic I'm
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impervious to fire my dragons obey my
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command and all that you like you could
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have done that at the beginning of the
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season they let me in our i'll make my
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tiny little dragons melt your city
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little slowly slowly very slowly you get
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a 5 make it apparently I'm invulnerable
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multi multiple fire fire because the
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American ideal battle plans just be the
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hole up somewhere
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wait 20 years until she has giant killer
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dragons and it fly over the narrow now
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should burn is just very with her she's
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very impatient yeah she's very beautiful
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as her brother's yeah spoke to him she
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and Jeffrey should get together with a
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conversation that would be sure and you
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know how we did it like you would roast
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haha that would be no it's hard because
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I don't know you guys and maybe we
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talked about this a little bit in summer
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podcast the deal with the books I feel
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like a lot of people argue to me that
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she's sort of the sympathetic character
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and I maybe it's because I find her as
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with John you know of it rambly and a
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lot of points but I've never felt that I
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don't know maybe it's because i find
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that storyline much more boring than
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what's going on and i think it's
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interesting as a threat to the other
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people but her motivation for why do I
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want to take over the world always liked
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but because it's mine and I deserve it
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because I'm you know like when you would
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think that would fade like I liked hurt
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thing for my call you're being given to
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this guy is a possession but you realize
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you come into your own and she falls in
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love with him and it's strange brutal
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world you live in but then like that
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she's stuck on like I have to go back
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and rule to get yy-you truly kingdoms or
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any don't know i don't think it was in
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terms of her saying oh no I have to be
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you know I have to go back to the place
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that it's my birthright blah blah i
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think that she is basically made a life
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for herself with Khal Drogo of a weird
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sort of life no life and yeah but when
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he died it's basically it threw her into
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a tailspin
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it's kind of well that's all i gotta
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hold onto yeah it's basically you know
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that that's my birthright and I have
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these dragons and clearly you know the
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dragons were given to me as a wedding
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present
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therefore I must head what gets me is
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that from the perspective of everybody
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else that we meet back in Westeros we
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keep getting told that the Targaryen
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were freaking crazy man
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yes it's like I don't know I feel like
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that's kind of born out by you know the
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papa how many Targaryen have we known
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and they're both about a little bit with
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a little bit of you
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yeah yeah so it's hard for me to find
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her sympathetic mostly gonna get the
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most sympathetic characters Carl girl i
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like them he was so like I like that
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actor listen to me that my sire at the
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end I yeah great revisit yet I didn't
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want to miss him until that why he yes
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he purchases and rapes his bride but as
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far as as far as the the tribes go
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this is one of the gentler yeah yeah
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we'd just have to defend horse people
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and their ways
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I felt like as always and movie wasn't
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so good i was really glad to see he at
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least got to come back for a brief
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paycheck for this show yeah yeah I was
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gonna say never let him speak English
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them know well of course not over that I
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want some more interesting character to
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me is that someone who like is in a
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relationship with this barbarian with
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his whore barbarian but then like he was
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it she falls in love with him she comes
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to terms with the fact that she that she
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is the bride of this crazy bar rapist
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barbarian and she decides I'm going to
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make the most of this by becoming the
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good bride to the crazy rapist barbarian
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it kinda and then that all falls apart
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like the russian-made softens him to
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which is interesting right because you
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start to come around to him a little bit
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that first scene with him is very is
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very hard to like think how would I ever
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sympathize with no accent which is which
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is one of the strengths of this series
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in general there are a number of
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characters that we are presented with
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it's like how could i ever sympathize
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with this person and yet as you go along
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you start to figure out
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yeah they're not just ate they're not
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just a cookie cutter right they all have
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reasons for the terrible things that
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they do right well Jamie and seriously
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friends you have a separate Joffrey but
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Jamie and seriously both yelling got to
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Jamie have trouble sympathizing with
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Jimmy wait right wait for you
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you will be shocked as I definitely can
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we get a brief glimpse of of the Jaime
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and Brienne the maid of Tarth great
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character bri endless as an actor that
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actress was so good to Association
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played that perfectly that is she is
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that woman she is that character she
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really likes a girl that like CGI think
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I do a little bit of perspective but she
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is pretty tall
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yeah that was great to get second kids
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over 60 and she's well over they cast a
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giant lady
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yeah well shoot she is suitably giant
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and also very good at and we can we get
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her you know we see her and and and
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there catlin while the weld a well
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there's the horrible shadow murder and
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it and they're like you did this and I'm
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like oh so we gotta start right that's
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why I don't know what happened I don't
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know what happens is Brienne but I feel
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like she is done it's an HBO show I
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could swear she's lined up to be the
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next you know Ned Stark because she's
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the one person who we see in most of the
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things was like honor loyalty obeying my
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master doing my duty and I think that's
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what her old their thing is tied up and
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she's crushed when the person she was
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pledged to dies and she immediately
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pledges just like Don Draper immediately
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getting remarried
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I'm gonna find the next nearest person
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and you know I i will pledge my
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allegiance to you because that's our
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whole thing is like loyalty and i will
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serve and then she's happy again out now
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I have someone to serve just like Ned
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like well I'm you know I have to if the
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King says I have to go I'm pledge to
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serve the King therefore i go it's my
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duty my head is chopped off so I don't
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like a beast
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yeah duty doesn't work out so right and
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i like to change the only president who
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feels a duty I get half these people who
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like you you swore to his banner I'll
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have to have that I do that I hate that
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like no one's going to do t equal and
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that last seen with her and Jamie where
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she's basically forced to kill those you
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know the stark people right who are more
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letters or side yeah why don't you just
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run all bodyguard yeah and she's she's
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she is a fascinating character and I
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think they do some really great things
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with her and I look forward to seeing
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that borne out in the show
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yeah we should talk about before we talk
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about the Blackwater a little bit i
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wanted to do at least touch on area who
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has her her she ends up at Harrenhal
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with with Tywin Lannister as her as his
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cupbearer and there's some interesting
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and that that's all invented for the TV
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series and it's great because we're
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getting really interesting characters
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interesting stuff and J&J Quinn Hegar
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was one of my favorites when when I
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really really enjoyed every time i watch
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this I was watching
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I've been watching the show this season
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with several friends and we we kept from
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remarking how at the you know we all
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root for aria right because everybody
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loves aria
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but the scenes where she figures out
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about like the killing people and
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everything and she's we're all like
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wrong yeah sweet she's going all your
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hours every day and then we will join
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the realize and like someone one of my
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friends watermark if that was a little
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boy we'd all be like that kid is a
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psychopath and why did a little bit of
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people that guy a skill that guy who
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found that I had stolen yeah one of the
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best comics it has the entire season no
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because you're on the edge of your seat
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everything from her finger and just take
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one of the greatest pratfalls I've ever
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seen dies as he enters the room you have
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to kill him now after all this is this
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is a manufacturer that makes me feel
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better about the books because like
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she's there with Tywin and you know she
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still blames him for killing her father
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but y'all sit like she never liked it
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looks at the plans
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she looks at the knife she look like
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she's I guess it's too much to ask of a
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little girl but she's not very competent
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in terms of like you had so many chances
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to kill him
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you're like we knew that you could have
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named him you could have killed yourself
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you're going to poison him you could
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have done so many shooting and she's a
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kid and he does nothing but she was
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smart to a certain extent in knowing
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that there is a lot more value to be
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gained by but if she was a little boy
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she would have killed she would have
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killed time without really like she
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would've been so caught up with revenge
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motive right and then she would have
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gotten immediately murdered yeah and she
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would have been that's fine i'm rob
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avenging my father but like time isn't
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really the person who actually ja
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freelance writer she blames the whole
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canisters but kill Joffrey kill Joffrey
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but she doesn't do that i love you my
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listing names of people she wanted to
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kill ya time it was not elicit a free
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was and that she didn't list any of
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those named ass just right when she had
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a chance tonight so get back to talking
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about just got the torturing guy
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feelings that are guys like I would just
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experience that it was horrible i really
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needs to go the right guy right you know
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who one of the people on her list is
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that sounds like nothing right it you
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damn right it was alright
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browse really know I'm really i love the
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relationship with her and jacket Hegar
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who is this i might not remember him
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talking just really don't know he's
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increase from bravo's rights like Syria
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10 has this very stylized man man
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doesn't talk about when does not appear
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on his way girl does not ask him and
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through that
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yeah I'd love to be such a great
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character although I was little I wanted
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to see the the the end shot of him done
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I kept looking forward to it because I
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knew it was coming in the book I had
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always pictured it as just him going and
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it can be great on the podcast be just
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sort of runs his hand open tennis and
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then changed his new jersey jazz hands
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yeah but that they didn't handle that
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pretty well where he turned
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pretty well where he turned
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the way interns right back into the
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seamless and yet it's a failed once but
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I don't want that habit i like the first
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act their voice I like oh absolutely
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yeah that second actor like I haven't
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met him yet but the first actor i
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thought was great with the long flowing
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hair and I don't think you added the
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second guy he's not like Doctor Who I
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don't think he's actually regenerating
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into that guy he's just been just
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traveling face it takes faces all right
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like the only this character comes back
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we'll bring the same actor back
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well I don't want to spoil anything
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right now but i'll write it would be
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nice little because that was a good
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actor but the whole and basically we now
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we have opened up this world for aria
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right where she realizes finally a
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google i want to you know this is
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something that is going to get me
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someone who gives her the little coin so
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you don't give they don't do that if
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they're not going to bring back because
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in this this this plotline I'm goulais
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on that coin will be used in later
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seasons I have a strange feeling yeah it
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might it might come up you know what I
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love ang again is one of the other
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characters in the book who just it's
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strangely enough despite being like
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essentially murderous yeah she's
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everything my favorite character rating
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there Alex and she's spunky and funny
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and smart and me and speaking of all
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those things the actress who is just
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fantastic
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I thought all those scenes with her in
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Thailand where she just like looks them
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down and they have this sort of weird
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like mutual respect going on and she's
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constantly lying to him but he knows
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that she's lying to him but doesn't
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really realize the extent but
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occasionally put her in her place right
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little stern word here there to show
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where the boundaries are but it's a easy
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easy Williams John she's a fantastic and
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I I think she has a long hopefully a
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long career and I saw a video of her
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doing the cinnamon challenge recently
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and kind of character for me
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hey this is terrible I didn't tent and
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she was like it was like a bunch of our
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friends like a suburb in england right
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although they all speak with that accent
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so I guess you just a teenage girl
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that's not what are you would do she's
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much more dignified sorry we're not take
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the cinnamon challenge I've never heard
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of the cinnamon challenge
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well you better ask your kids yeah they
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don't want to do it right that I did we
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had we had a taco bell hot sauce eating
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contest haha it's kind of like it's
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kinda like well basically it's did you
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know what is it like like a half
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teaspoon of cinnamon
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yeah but you can't do very dangerous
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and do what can you what I'm doing kids
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but you can't you will cough it up
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essentially because it can be done on
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Mythbusters they did
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yeah it's just it's really hard to do
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because it's all dry and everything I
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know it doesn't like you can't like
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swallowing like a like a trauma and it's
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very dangerous to inhale that's right
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because it's in the lung just about that
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and you also just want to swallow
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because it's also probably choking
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hazard this
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wow so pro tip don't take this should
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totally take the cinnamon challenge was
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nothing dads are entitled to all the
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internet Jason that you can learn about
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all sorts like this funny pictures of
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cats also well i got I've got I've got
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it up with my ipad and also jason Mentos
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and Diet Coke and a populist right pop
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rocks and soda killed my and it's not
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not true so many things you might not
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know about not having access to the
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Internet yeah its true like you like all
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the people in Westeros mm let's talk
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about the black water which is the 9th
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episode which was written by george RR
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martin it's the it's the it's the
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blockbuster budget episode yet we're
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going to old have anything yeah a great
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episode formats excellent focus on that
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and all the different players the the
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boats are coming there's those kind of
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dark scenes of the boats out there in
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the distance I where they got one today
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doing what is the guy with the beard
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named standard rate amo stops we were
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dark eyes always seen his stock as about
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he's got a son is like all right dad I'm
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gonna go in there boom yeah and I idea
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that's just that the seven ice creepy
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mobile where they come on that one vote
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it's like who's on that boat is there
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anybody what's what's going on there and
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soldiers once you see an MCN and you're
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like drama yeah seriously it's like
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physically here let's think about it
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tomorrow will scratch your heads no
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reverse reverse that but it's hard to do
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right for water didn't help the Titanic
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either i guess my name
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well george RR martin wrote that episode
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do which you can definitely tell because
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the dialogue gains a slightly more not
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necessarily froofy feel to it but
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there's definitely there's less cursing
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and more interesting derivatives and
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keeps coming back between the action on
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increasingly awful and drunk you do not
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want to be in her word RNA and a strong
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out there are bomb shelter shelter have
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any kind really because she has pointy
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objects and she'll kill you and she
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almost gets gets serious girlfriend too
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she starts to take it to her apartment
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there's a yeah there's a distraction
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saved by the bell and and so she said
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she had been hard to tell her derision
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at the rest of the ladies you know
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they're praying and singing and she's
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like oh yeah i could have bought but is
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she the only one there who knows that
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big grumpy guys there to kill them
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yeah that's a big down or if you if
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you're the only one here i'm gonna show
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you a big frowny face guy he's gonna
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kill me if anything goes wrong so I
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assumed she has the metal like
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breastplate
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yeah I assumed she had given she had
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given that order yeah because who else
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would have
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Joffrey wasn't gonna do it no I assume
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that Tyrion was my sushi knew she knew
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that they could not because she's like
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it's so sad that she accepts that like
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she started this powerful one and has
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her own schemes cheeks so accepts the
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place of a woman in her world that she's
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just like well you know i'm absolutely
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attack comes she leaves that room
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immediately I'm gonna call the nameless
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idiot women making killed by but she
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goes down to the throne room it's like I
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got some poison yeah well she didn't ask
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your way out
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she's gonna she's gonna kill Holman
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right there was only I mean that that
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would seem kind of expression was doing
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in a loving way though
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yeah well actually no order that is the
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one of the few scenes where Cersei
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actually seems like a a regular old mom
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was like yes baby I'm not your mom
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always written a poisoned you i'm gonna
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protect you before the crazy you know
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Stannis for your story about ordering
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you make that story about the Mayan evil
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stagnates tags and people yesterday
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off ya adjacent as the other a child of
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the 80s who has kids right now can
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probably relate maybe you can't but I
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think you probably can't have you
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thought about if there was a nuclear war
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would you would you kill your kids in a
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in a in a peaceful way that seems
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extreme just that you're you're you're
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not open to pop the possibility that
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that things might actually get brighter
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areas if you're all gonna die radiation
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watch the third Torchwood see children
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met and yet
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children / children over the Torchwood
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season yeah the guy who sort of that the
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wall the flunky right the the civil
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servant guy
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yeah with the two daughters right which
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was a brutal brutal scene in that as
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well I don't know it's I don't know we
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have a son that's not how I relationship
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because if you do if excited everyone
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was born in the 80s had had to consider
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well what would you do it and if the
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world in nuclear holocaust as we all
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know it will from every piece of media
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fed into our brains with certain
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vibration part of yours are like I know
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but I know John Alden but now that we're
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parents like well you know I don't want
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my kids to to suffer that fate so i
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would i would put and so that's what she
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was doing she's like well this is the
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end I don't want my kids to suffer
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horrible deaths are going to tell him
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and I story give him a sip of poison
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will go to sleep that'll be it
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yeah it's real it's a relatable feeling
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and you can debate whether she was
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accurately assessing the gravity of the
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situation obviously she probably wasn't
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you know all I don't know about that i
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mean what standards you're in Game of
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Thrones you eventually have to realize
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this is a horrible world where the worst
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thing happens all the time so I think
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planning for the worst is probably a
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good idea
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well like he was a little boy though he
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would have a fighting chance he wasn't
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gonna be raped to death like any of his
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daughters
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well I think the difference the
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difference is that he was he was our
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inline inline small that's right they're
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getting rid of a bastard china right
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he's an abomination of volume license
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photo she has always inbred kids are
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probably not right in the head anyways
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our Joffrey yeah I'm saying like it like
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the reasons to be a little bit all we
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want to get the idea that he's a little
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well I made it he's just a day it's just
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a little kid weasley ok but we also
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don't have to i think that he's a little
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directly but you're right Jonathan I
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thought that was like well within the
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women down to keep i can understand
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because they're basically saying if they
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come in they're going to rape you and
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going to kill you yeah but with Tom and
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I was like well what we're going to do
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with him and said well no he's he's
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gonna kill Joffrey and they're gonna
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kill Tommy yeah so that the life around
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me i'm going to live because she got
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such a foreign yeah yeah butBut and then
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be there just because that's what they
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did to the Targaryen is right they tried
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to do all the Targaryen and it just rang
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guys Brandi just long missed a couple of
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ya missed it by that minus a couple
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Targaryen there there you know
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Tyrion has actually snuck Tommen out of
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the city and at one point Sansa is being
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beaten and Tyrion tell sir see that
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everything that happens to Sansa any
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beating or any raping he will personally
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do to Tommen thought it was interesting
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they took that out trying to get tearing
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is trying to be more the the feel-good
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sympathetic character in this in the TV
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series anyway so yeah well that would
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that right in the book that he's he's
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he's exerting his control over his
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family in the only ways that he feels
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that we can and his let's be honest
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what's his sister's weak spot his
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sister's weak spot is the love of her
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children and so that would be and where
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they don't want to show show are
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sympathetic Tyrion the TV show maybe I
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it exploiting like basically taking his
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nephew and saying I will do terrible
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things to my nephew if you if you mess
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up this girl
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well and I mean us coincident with that
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plot line we have the the sansa stark
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her camera is blossoming into womanhood
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to put it
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obviously I mean also the whole thing
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and not just that specifically but the
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the whole season right because the first
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season she is pretty much like I'm going
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to be queen
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it's okay three blades yeah and this is
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the season where it's really like oh
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yeah well welcome to real-world later
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like and I think you know we have the
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scene where she is accosted by the mob
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and almost raped
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yeah and murdered and the dog Dave
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around yeah and a great scene with
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really i think with the Hound later
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where we when he quits and come up there
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and says like look I'll take you home my
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wife and I bought that shirt on with
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yeah oh yeah yes yes she should have
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just yeah
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around clearly and then we have that
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scene at the end right where she gets
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thrown over I in a very carefully staged
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yes seen surely i cannot hide marry her
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no but the church says it's okay so well
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that but but what about this yeah no no
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it's okay all right well then done and
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she's so yeah we had a brief moment
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where she's like yeah I married a middle
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finger swoops in and says everything out
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is yeah if you marry me all will be
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grand last in reality it's like just
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because you're free of him you're not
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free of him now enough for you now here
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we now he's your now heat you can be the
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Kings play thing and he doesn't have to
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take good care of you because you know
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his wife right
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I asked not to mention you know little
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finger out of the frying pan into the
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fire because little finger
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I was a friend of your mind i was going
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to be so much and you know tell me my
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candy no yeah it wasn't a good marry
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ok I'm the mayor of Winterfell now or
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what is inherent hot topic I thought it
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was interesting that they had Shady's
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sansas handmade them when Sansa and Shey
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have no connection at all the books it
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was like what they did with thumb Tywin
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and and are you right where they have
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two characters in the same place and the
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show shoves them up together to get some
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really interesting scene after that just
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aren't in the original source material
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and it lets you lets you kind of reduce
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the number of locations you've got and
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increase the use of incidentally I was
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really glad by the way that they finally
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pronounce the change from shy because
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reading that in the book always
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mispronounce it it's got two S's yeah
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looks like si I think of what they did
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with pushing characters together that
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aren't together that is vastly
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preferable to the other thing that you
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do when you're compressing a big book
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into TV which is the grated composite
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carrier you take two or three characters
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that you make them into one she is the
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daughter of bed stark and a prostitute
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rubbish i rose yeah roses every
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prostitute in western boots
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that they like that for the most part
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they do a pretty good job of even in the
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cases where we have these random
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characters who anyone who read the books
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is like oh it's that guy like I thought
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that was nice they had Roose Bolton in a
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couple scenes right we don't but we
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don't see his bastard sometimes be one
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of those characters they're like we're
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gonna cast him next
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right because again he would have been
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too much but you cuz but he is very
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important there the little characters
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that are better in there and then the
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others it's nice when we get hot y-yeah
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papaya and Game three high with Aria are
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also nice her little pals who that go on
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the lam from Harrenhal with I like those
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little collections I mean of characters
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where it's like oh they're out an
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adventure bad things are gonna happen
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waiting for that out of the way that
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fact to die every episode haha he's dead
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me a hot pie
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he's he said me he was gonna die he can
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okay okay okay okay but you need to cook
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I don't think it's interesting you know
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it's it seems like one of those shows
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where it's like you get to the end it's
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the most improbable characters survive
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right times like this guy is dead
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that guy's dead and then like like
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booked 8 it's like King hot pie
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he's the only one laughing yeah well I
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had a but we find out the game 3 is one
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of the bastard children of robert i like
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is this gonna end with everybody else
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dead kennedys gonna go you know rubbish
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my dad my king
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Andrey universe my daddy and ever and
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ever elsa/getty on you know we've been
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rethinking this whole hereditary
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monarchy thing and we think they may be
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a better way to decide who rules us
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here's out book in book seven they have
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a constitutional command oliver cromwell
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appears from the east and that's the end
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of the Kings too many King like water we
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didn't mention the I do like the
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alchemist fire which I thought they did
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a cool job with the special effect
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meaning they did that mean
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yeah was more it was more complicated
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with the chain and stuff in the book yet
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but in the in the in the they took the
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coolest part and put it in the water
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when it is a nice a moment of an area of
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like six or seven episodes it's a nice
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moment of Tyrion getting like proving
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again once again that he is he's
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actually pretty good at the whole
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strategy and I like the idea that the
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explosion was bigger than anyone thought
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it was good it was kinda like you know
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it's playing with firecrackers like whoa
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tonight it's that classic scene from
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Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where
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it goes to blow up the train car and
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he's like well that audit and then it
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just blows off the entire car
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yeah yeah anyway over after
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overestimated a little well if you're
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gonna go go big
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yeah and so they went they go home and
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some truly horrific Lee brutal special
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effects in that battle scene where we
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will be my friends and I will be
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watching your kind of chatting and then
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they drop a rock on someone's head
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you're just like oh my god that was oh
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that was true but awesome but yeah yeah
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already cut off some of these legs many
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people in half
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yeah cheering and chop someone's leg I
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like and the hound being afraid of fire
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was good yeah well I mean writers why
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he's beyond oh yeah i know it was good
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at em go you know what
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no no yeah he's big enough he talks a
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good game and they said but he's like
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you better not get that fire anywhere
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near me and the right like I'm out of
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here right when I like the fact that you
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see him I see him by the flames and he's
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all like why the I didn't need your
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insanely connection and you would expect
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him to go but then he overcomes it in
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like he's going about 80 god he's here
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he changes his mind he go
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it's like a princess it's like the
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princess bride yeah girl died i'm out of
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yeah it was and I mean it's that seemed
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it's also it's not overplayed right it's
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either explain you know when I was a
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child I was sure it yeah yeah no I have
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a friend of fun i also like still very
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well-loved the showdown with him and
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brawn where there's yeah oh yeah it's
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like that can be together yeah and if it
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bronzed you know Ron kinda knows like
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this guy's probably tough but i think i
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think i can take him but it's gonna be a
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tough fight and then there's sit
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literally saved by the bell but we
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haven't we gotta let's have a drink
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before we go kill all those guys alright
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although do that droid broad i loved how
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much more there was to him than there is
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in the books where he's just a guy
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standing 90 really want to do is more to
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you yeah great character in the in the
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in the show yeah absolutely i love he
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great master able to he makes me laugh
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when he's at my wife and I were talking
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about it's like Oh Braun it's great to
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have more brawn he's he's Tyrion the
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brains and he's the Brawn yeah a
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straightforward he is he's a guy with
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the sword knows how to use it and he's
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like you be in charge of the of the City
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Guard okay yeah I can do that
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more or less yeah yeah but in it and
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then at the end of the season with
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Tyrion we have him basically stripped of
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all his resources and cranny of the
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older guy comes to gloat what's-his-name
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the did the guy Harry three-eye i would
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just like to tell you digitally that i
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am on top now and use it's a it's
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commander veers from a partial expansion
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yeah I just guessing picturing him doing
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his like squat exercises and his bro
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right so that previously said that is
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defined his character for me remember
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that song I could help but i'm going to
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Ferris a great team were very surprised
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to get seduced by prostitute
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mmhmm yeah yeah although thatthat's a
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there's also the good scene where they
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where they come from Syria and said look
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you know that we know we know what you
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did here and and as calculating as
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everybody is playing their own game here
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do you know there will be there are
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there are there are a bunch of us who
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realize that you're actually the guy who
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saved the city
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he's becoming more sympathetic like yeah
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but a little but at the same time they
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establish his character so well that
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every time he does something that
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sympathetic I keep thinking out there
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they're just doing it's a trick
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he's trying to to trick me into being
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sympathetic to you you know and so every
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someone I see him making visit like we
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believe in you Tyrion I don't listen to
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him he's totally set you up yeah right
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he's trying to grow yeah i was doing and
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that it were confident that everything
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with their lives
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various Littlefinger Tyrion you know
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Tyrion is certainly certainly the most
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no I likable of the three of them but my
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self regulating and trying anyways
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no I would say Tyrion is definitely more
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an audience people through the
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calculating part where as pie cells just
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dirty little finger is creepy and
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Littlefinger you don't want to know what
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he's doing because probably it's
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something crazy and a terrace is just
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like two verses just for the game
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variares the game various and he's
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playing a long game and he's a survivor
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oh yeah he's amazing he's kind of like
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is there like he's been around since the
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Targaryen to be still there yeah
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spider in the web still there without
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without his balls get along he's got a
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lot of other things occupies although i
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do like I do like that scene with him in
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the prostitute jazz
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she thinks she's totally in control
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center now I know you are and she's
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really not just 10 angry is but the fact
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that she realizes if it was any other
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man i know exactly how to write man
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because that is my job and then she
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realizes what basically this guy is like
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kryptonite we're gonna take my trump
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yeah I have no power over you right now
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it'll be nice little scene
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yeah yeah anyway so so season 2 in you
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know I last year i love the show I
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really enjoyed watching it this year
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you got HBO again specifically to watch
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it and i gotta say over those ten weeks
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which is felt like way too short a time
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sunday night comes around I'm like
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alright Game of Thrones and you know
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what there's not a lot of TV alone right
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now that I feel like I want to watch the
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night of and I'm really excited to watch
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it and I'm thinking like Oh in a couple
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of days note it's Saturday
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yeah there's a weekend but tomorrow
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night the thrones right and that's how i
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felt and madman is on the same day
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that's the other side of this was me and
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i watch The Killing as well which is
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also on the sunday sunday not monday is
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like ease the pain of ending the weekend
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so I so anyway my my my thought is I
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thought they did a really good job
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I you're more changes this year but
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there I think they're done well in the
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service of making a good show
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yes as opposed to a good novel yeah well
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I think they're on the right track of
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what they're adapting from the novel and
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what their splicing and there's not
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really any sort of big warning flags
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that I've seen so far in terms of
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missteps that they've made a donation
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I think the narrative weaknesses of the
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season are largely because there are
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things that America this is because the
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book the book put some stories on hold
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and does some sort of plate spinning for
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a while and and that's not going to get
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any better we know it your next season
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is going to be tricky because of the
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whole the split right but they've got
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what I what I like is they they seem to
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have not only they are they making some
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good decisions but they've also got
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george RR martin on board so there's
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nobody who's sort of like you're ruining
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the brilliance of the books like no
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we're telling the TV show and we're
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telling the same story but we're gonna
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figure out the ways to fix it so it
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works better as a TV show and they
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really i think they really did that
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so I was I was really happy with what
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they did yeah really it's a different
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medium you know and the story is being
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told if you want the in-depth honest and
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the occasional drawn-out relationships
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of the book then you can read the book
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it's not like that the television heroes
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replacing them you've got 10 1 our
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chapters to tell the story that's all
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that's all i got it's more than a
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two-hour movie but it's not you know a
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thousand paper money yeah it's they
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continue to be tops in both h like
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basically in production value i mean
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there's a lot of stuff that they do a
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little bit of poker poker to make sure
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it doesn't like we can't afford all
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these horses and all this nothing
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Ragan's like but they look good with a
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big place at night up right now but very
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dark out there man they do it anyway you
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can they do it in a way that it feels
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natural asterix and for me what really
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sells the show especially coming from
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having read the books is the casting
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which tends to be which continues to be
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as with season one they they think very
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hard about how do we capture this
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particular character and to my mind
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there is very little that I look at any
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of those characters and think I mean
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there are definitely times when I look
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at them and think now that's not exactly
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how I pictured that character whatever
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but the character still coming through
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like a lot like watchman when you're
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like oh you miss cast this horribly we
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have living it's like know that let's go
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they actually do have hired good actor
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especially when they're little person
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this is a show with a lot of characters
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right it's not just like well you know
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you gotta get jon snow right and you
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gotta get Ned Stark right etc etc know
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like you know again we talked about
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people like Varys and Littlefinger who
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wants my nourishment characters but
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really important and key morning
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campaigns like nail didn't agree i'm ron
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you know all these yellow stamens not
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a great job and I think the production
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design helps the characters because it's
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one of those shows where when you go to
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the IMDb page are you google them or
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whatever and you see the actors out of
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class and what is status look like when
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he's not dressed up a status he just
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looks like some dude but like he looks
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like status when it like they do the
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hair and the negative and family and how
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much dirt they have on a space and just
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like everything or you know well that's
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off to their FX department and
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specifically the people who are doing
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the mats in the cgi paintings
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the effects and things like that because
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it's integrated so sara lee i watched
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the first for you you was talking to the
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screeners of that first season the first
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five episodes what we can see rocks
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it is amazing that how a naturalistic
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most of the cgi is where you wouldn't
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know but also hats off for them
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realizing less enough making this an
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international production and doing the
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smart thing that most you know probably
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cost a lot more but saying we're going
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to take a unit and we're gonna do all of
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the north of the wall stuff separately
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in Iceland we're gonna do this stuff in
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Northern Ireland and we're gonna do this
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stuff and I don't know that in Croatia I
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think they went this year that remains
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with the car that stuff i'm so so they
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feel like they're in different parts of
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the world because they're actually in
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different parts of the world right there
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is no substitute makes a difference it's
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just like it's just like back in the day
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when I was watching a when I was
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watching a star trek the next generation
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and they would go to planets and nine
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times out of ten the planet was a sound
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stash and its marching down and that he
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has evidence right and then they would
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do an episode like Darmok and they're
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like out by Vasquez rocks but it's like
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hey there outdoors it's like that's a
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real outdoors and and there's just
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something making a fake about it and so
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seeing them in Iceland and seeing them
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and Croatia even you feel like they're
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in a real world and as and that and when
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you cut between them it's like oh we're
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something really different now and the
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dragons are a little bit over the budget
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yeah yeah keep it it's off i know i have
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a little bit they save it for the last
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episode but I can't if you're gonna have
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to spend more time with the Dragons
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eventually but you know right there's
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gonna be tough because like it costs a
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lot of money to living things that CJ
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when you already get away with a little
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bit with things that are real and you
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haven't happened
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I know but like that put them at like
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money set them in the dark if you don't
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come out dragon only come out at night
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or is there is actually is the shadow of
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the night dragons psle there is actually
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in fact they do that a little bit in
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some of the later books
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yeah they're dragons are kind of not
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talking about a little but we don't want
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to hear there in the dark the other the
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dark spoilers but it's interesting
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HBO post well HBO mentioned some figures
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and facts about their how much money it
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costs to produce each episode and how
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that budget went up twenty percent for
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this season specifically for the last
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two episodes and nothing else
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yeah so they did twenty percent more an
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episode
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and episodes already cost like fifty
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million dollars and then they took all
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that twenty percent they didn't spend it
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on those individual episodes put on a
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dragon it's on the Blackwater exactly
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well so here's the thing now this is
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this is the show on HBO
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this is like their show yeah and i was i
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was talking to two friend I know who is
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a friend of mine who's a TV critic and
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and what he said to me was this is their
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show they need to pony up the this is
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the time when you spend more money you
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order more episodes which they don't
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seem like they're gonna do what they're
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gonna do 10 you spend more money and you
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say you know we have an opportunity here
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this is our flagship let's not cheap it
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this is this is like we're going
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together so surprised that's what we're
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gonna get our money back now because
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this is going to be a hit
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let's spend the money and I have no
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doubt that it's already an expensive
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show but I look at it and think you know
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what you guys could spend more money and
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you're gonna get it back because this
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thing is like this like really good lord
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of the rings that they bet big on Lord
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of the Rings they spend all the money's
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all the money is on all the movie and it
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paid off and as much as I like having
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more show i'm not sure that I go both
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ways on the upping the episode count
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because I feel like constraining them to
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do the show in 10 episodes makes them
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make hard choices him 12
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yeah 13 I think that's what I'm coming
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out 20 stocks no no no you get what you
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give him 12
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yeah and you give them a bigger budget
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very or or both her and that's when can
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I think for the next two seasons
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covering book 3 i think that they might
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need to yeah they're gonna have some
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really interesting challenges because I
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I don't think there's a logical way to
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tell that story straight through and cut
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it in the middle
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I think they're going to need a climax
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and that means that they're gonna
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they're gonna have to really change
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around the sequencing which my jean
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doing accelerating some plotline
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lengthening some other plot line which
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could be cool but it is there going to
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be going to be harder the writers have
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their work cut out for the help me god i
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hope they got these characters into
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long-term contracts are there going to
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be a seinfeld situation like that always
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on the show is famous and then and then
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the lead want ten times my Magic's also
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is because it takes them so long to make
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it and because you have a number of
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people who are young kids yeah that gets
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trickier hard before our yeah he signals
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that are in trouble for Africa so I job
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and I would look that I have no doubt
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the Joffrey will still look mrs. got
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that face is going to be punched a
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magnet for like what are ya
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like things like 37 Monty and what are
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ya can't become like you know
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yes you can be a 40 year old woman
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chain-smoking like she needs to be she
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used to be like a little girl yeah who
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could pass as a boy Monty what did you
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think about the second season you
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towards the end of the second season
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though i started watching The Borgias to
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which I thought was an interesting
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comparison in terms of episode by
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episode budget because the Borgias
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doesn't have any magic and stays largely
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in one place that has a much higher
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fancy outfit and ridiculous setting but
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they have more they're more kravat's and
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capes and more pomp and circumstance
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they have a panther there in a cage for
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no reason but there's no seats never let
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it out of the cage people that's why
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that's the reason see a couple episodes
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alright that's good that's good to know
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well so onward to onwards the season
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three of Game of Thrones in a year
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could be worse could be Sherlock out
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game of thrones good stuff i like it
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it's one of my favorites on the air
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right now so looks like everybody agrees
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alright well i think that that's going
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to close up our special wacky four
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people in a room together and somebody
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else on skype Monty thank you for being
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the odd man out sorry you're at the
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other end of the skype when we wish you
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were here and I could help
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yeah i was great it was great having you
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sorry sorry that you're you're down down
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a well or you know down a Skype
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connection but an escape it wasn't it
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was nice to have you in your wisdom with
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us and in the room i would like to thank
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my in room my in room guests damn more'n
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thanks for being here thank you for
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having me jason is a pleasure to
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actually see you in person and now i
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will poison you all just in case status
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storms that's well that's i have the ear
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poison at the ready for serenity
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Caldwell thanks for being here and by
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that I mean physically here I love being
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physically here Jason and you know if
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Dan decides to poison us well what is
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dead may never die
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Wow John siracusa it is great to see you
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in person
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and this is when i record podcast all
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the time is sort of that this late in
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the day this is much nicer i hereby
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volunteer to teleport out here anytime
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you want to record teleport you and like
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all part of a shower i'm here my son is
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working on portal technology because it
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would save him from having to walk to
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school patented it will never be able to
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patent right now is there a patent for
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portals already asked sure patented
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items don't have to work is it a
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standard essential patent for the the
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portaling standard I think valve might
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have the patent on the world's certainly
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do my portals are different green and
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orange totally different and they're
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square there on tagging Aristide the
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right it's a new invention that it's a
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new invention
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yes alright until next time the
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incomparable this is jason snow signing
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off thanks for listening
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