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98: Obscure References and Sadness

 

00:00:00   I i should tell you the title of this [TS]

00:00:01   episode is going to be obscure [TS]

00:00:02   references and sadness because allah [TS]

00:00:06   says that's that's your stock and trade [TS]

00:00:09   apparently but it's absolutely true [TS]

00:00:13   absolutely good the incomparable Todd [TS]

00:00:20   test number 98 july 2012 [TS]

00:00:25   hi there I'm Lex Friedman i'm joined by [TS]

00:00:28   three very very cool people and they are [TS]

00:00:30   in no particular order [TS]

00:00:31   John siracusa likes Scott McNulty hello [TS]

00:00:36   and Greg moss either [TS]

00:00:40   hello and tonight we are all talking [TS]

00:00:43   together about Jonathan Coulton the man [TS]

00:00:47   the myth the internet legend who I guess [TS]

00:00:50   in most of the press I seabed jonathan [TS]

00:00:53   coulton or joko to his fans these days [TS]

00:00:55   they sort of describe him as a geek [TS]

00:00:56   rocker [TS]

00:00:57   I don't know if you guys would accept [TS]

00:00:58   that label or not but I'm seeing it [TS]

00:01:00   applied to him more and more but we're [TS]

00:01:02   going to talk about his music and his [TS]

00:01:03   over and some of our favorite Colton [TS]

00:01:05   songs and why we like him so much [TS]

00:01:07   so why don't we just to sort of get [TS]

00:01:11   things started [TS]

00:01:12   kick off by discussing how you first [TS]

00:01:15   became aware of Jonathan cold what your [TS]

00:01:16   introduction to him was and I pic Scott [TS]

00:01:20   McNulty to go first [TS]

00:01:22   ah alright i have prepared this because [TS]

00:01:25   i knew that i had blogged about when i [TS]

00:01:28   first heard about Jonathan Coulton so i [TS]

00:01:30   googled myself and jonathan coulton and [TS]

00:01:33   read my blog post so i could remember [TS]

00:01:37   what how is this show is so he did a [TS]

00:01:39   cover of a baby got back [TS]

00:01:43   as we all may remember and so someone [TS]

00:01:47   linked that on their blog and a so this [TS]

00:01:50   was what in 2006 i guess so that's when [TS]

00:01:54   he first came across my radar and then [TS]

00:01:58   he started doing a bunch of other things [TS]

00:02:00   that got more attention and he did the [TS]

00:02:03   thing weak stuff and then he did the [TS]

00:02:06   portal song and got very popular and and [TS]

00:02:08   so that's my story and I'm sticking to [TS]

00:02:10   it [TS]

00:02:11   excellent job not surprisingly my first [TS]

00:02:15   encounter with him was also the baby got [TS]

00:02:17   back song and I don't even remember [TS]

00:02:18   where I got it from was one of those [TS]

00:02:19   things you get floating around the [TS]

00:02:21   internet and I'd I didn't make any [TS]

00:02:23   connection of an artist with it because [TS]

00:02:25   you know when you get songs on the [TS]

00:02:26   internet and I go hey listen to this one [TS]

00:02:27   song let's do you like an yeah it's nice [TS]

00:02:29   I and then you forget about it all right [TS]

00:02:31   but just one for whatever reason like I [TS]

00:02:36   did basically forget about it and they [TS]

00:02:37   were like oh there's this guy doing this [TS]

00:02:39   thing where he's going to record a song [TS]

00:02:40   every week and his name is not say Frank [TS]

00:02:43   although you might get them confused [TS]

00:02:44   initially a micro yeah i think i saw the [TS]

00:02:46   guys didn't even notice guys doing music [TS]

00:02:48   and it's like a new one every weekend [TS]

00:02:49   starts up i want to his website and I [TS]

00:02:50   said hey that's the guy who did the baby [TS]

00:02:52   got back think so he went from a one-hit [TS]

00:02:55   internet wonder immediately to a guy [TS]

00:02:57   whose name I should remember and watch [TS]

00:03:00   for and I watched thing week with [TS]

00:03:02   varying levels of interest because it [TS]

00:03:04   still is still at that point I'm like [TS]

00:03:05   alright so we did this cute cover and [TS]

00:03:07   he's trying to these songs with some of [TS]

00:03:08   them are kind of crazy but you know I [TS]

00:03:09   you know I might come together but [TS]

00:03:11   probably he's doomed to failure but as [TS]

00:03:13   we all know he did not fail and he just [TS]

00:03:16   continued to grow in stature and I'm I [TS]

00:03:18   following of him became more and more [TS]

00:03:20   rabbit overtime culminating in today [TS]

00:03:22   great was baby got back your [TS]

00:03:25   introduction as well I it might have [TS]

00:03:27   been but the only the first conscious [TS]

00:03:29   memory I have Jonathan Coulton is code [TS]

00:03:31   monkey i bet there was a period where [TS]

00:03:33   people sensitive singer-songwriters were [TS]

00:03:36   recording various rap songs i have and i [TS]

00:03:40   don't remember her name but she's a [TS]

00:03:41   sensitive singer-songwriter who recorded [TS]

00:03:43   straight outta compton and I really like [TS]

00:03:46   that and so I remember looking for [TS]

00:03:48   others and finding a couple and I maybe [TS]

00:03:51   baby got back was among those but the [TS]

00:03:53   first time I remember the name jonathan [TS]

00:03:55   coulton was codemonkey late comer [TS]

00:03:57   understood you know I for me was not it [TS]

00:04:02   wasn't code monkey and it wasn't baby [TS]

00:04:04   got back but it was during I i had a [TS]

00:04:07   friend a longtime friend and [TS]

00:04:09   collaborator who i would write songs [TS]

00:04:12   with Goofy songs with all the time and [TS]

00:04:14   it was the week but it is baby got back [TS]

00:04:16   was part of thing a week 1 which I guess [TS]

00:04:18   we could talk a little bit about more [TS]

00:04:19   than a couple minutes but the week [TS]

00:04:21   before baby got back was released [TS]

00:04:23   release the song called shop vac and it [TS]

00:04:26   was my friend Seth sent me links to look [TS]

00:04:28   at this guy he's trying to do a song [TS]

00:04:29   every week for a year [TS]

00:04:30   why didn't we think of that that's [TS]

00:04:32   certainly we don't have the talent or [TS]

00:04:33   musicianship or even you know any of the [TS]

00:04:36   the brilliant sensibilities that that [TS]

00:04:38   Colton has but so I heard that song shot [TS]

00:04:40   back and I had to go back and listen to [TS]

00:04:42   the first couple of songs that he had [TS]

00:04:43   done and then I was listening every week [TS]

00:04:45   and you know they're at at one point at [TS]

00:04:48   first I was just going to his blog where [TS]

00:04:50   he was posting these songs as you record [TS]

00:04:51   them each week and then I would at some [TS]

00:04:53   point he put made them available for [TS]

00:04:55   purchase on his website and when he made [TS]

00:04:58   them available for purchase [TS]

00:04:59   he had go to the website and such a way [TS]

00:05:00   that was very easy to get all the songs [TS]

00:05:03   without paying for them which I did and [TS]

00:05:05   then felt terribly about and then I went [TS]

00:05:07   and paypal him and his amnesty program [TS]

00:05:10   to make up for my wrongdoing and i still [TS]

00:05:14   feel bad about it which is why I'm [TS]

00:05:16   admitting to it publicly now you're a [TS]

00:05:18   disappointment to us all [TS]

00:05:20   yeah well so I i asked everybody to come [TS]

00:05:23   prepared with their three favorite [TS]

00:05:26   jonathan coulton songs with it was for [TS]

00:05:29   me that was a very difficult decision [TS]

00:05:30   was I think probably even harder than [TS]

00:05:32   sophie's choice but she's never there [TS]

00:05:36   was some there was some debate before [TS]

00:05:39   the show about whether this was going to [TS]

00:05:41   be draft style meeting each long curly [TS]

00:05:42   picked will be picked once or not and I [TS]

00:05:44   have made the executive decision that [TS]

00:05:46   multiple people can pick the same songs [TS]

00:05:48   because I want them to be true to their [TS]

00:05:50   three favorites and because he [TS]

00:05:53   disapproves of that approach [TS]

00:05:55   I'll let Jonathan siracusa go first [TS]

00:05:58   Jonathan they tell us your first of your [TS]

00:05:59   three favorite songs that need not be in [TS]

00:06:01   any particular order a call me Jonathan [TS]

00:06:03   because it's jonathan coulton reference [TS]

00:06:04   because you think my name is actually [TS]

00:06:05   Jonathan I guess was because i was [TS]

00:06:09   thinking of cold and I was looking at my [TS]

00:06:10   Jonathan cold notes inside all right [TS]

00:06:11   well you know job just pretend to [TS]

00:06:13   Google's I i we had this is an ordered [TS]

00:06:16   list or unordered this is unordered list [TS]

00:06:18   this is ul alright i guess i'm going to [TS]

00:06:21   start with probably indeed takes the [TS]

00:06:24   throne for all time favorite but it [TS]

00:06:25   wasn't my original favorite so it's kind [TS]

00:06:28   of like my current favorite but i think [TS]

00:06:29   it will be tough to knock off of this [TS]

00:06:30   person that it's not a particularly [TS]

00:06:32   unique or interesting favorite and about [TS]

00:06:34   other people have picked it but there [TS]

00:06:35   you have it [TS]

00:06:36   it is the future soon which is a song [TS]

00:06:38   that's about as straightforward as a [TS]

00:06:43   gentleman called the song can be it's [TS]

00:06:44   about a disaffected nerdy youth and [TS]

00:06:47   robots and cyborgs and all those sorts [TS]

00:06:51   of things you would imagine a parody [TS]

00:06:54   jonathan coulton song will be about [TS]

00:06:55   [Music] [TS]

00:07:05   last guy no llores it said I love you [TS]

00:07:11   signed anonymous friend turns out modern [TS]

00:07:16   that thought [TS]

00:07:19   she knows [TS]

00:07:21   now the whole [TS]

00:07:22   do and [TS]

00:07:24   game on [TS]

00:07:25   double skate [TS]

00:07:29   she died [TS]

00:07:33   but I know [TS]

00:07:37   what happened [TS]

00:07:40   don't know [TS]

00:07:46   the way things that maybe [TS]

00:07:53   just and the reason i like it took a [TS]

00:07:56   while to grow on me because a lot of the [TS]

00:07:57   songs first listening to him i tend to [TS]

00:07:59   listen to music listening for the music [TS]

00:08:01   first and lyrics second and so I didn't [TS]

00:08:04   really listen to what the lyrics are [TS]

00:08:05   about my god just kind of like a [TS]

00:08:07   mid-tempo rocky kind of song whatever I [TS]

00:08:09   and then as I listened to it a couple [TS]

00:08:11   more times I actually listened to the [TS]

00:08:12   lyrics with sound strange talking about [TS]

00:08:14   Jonathan Coulton song I listen to lyrics [TS]

00:08:16   but it's just the way things tend to [TS]

00:08:17   grow on me and the thing I love so much [TS]

00:08:20   about the story is that it starts out as [TS]

00:08:21   a kind of clich├ęd like oh I'm a nerd [TS]

00:08:23   and you know I have a crush on a girl [TS]

00:08:26   but she doesn't like me and I'm sad [TS]

00:08:28   right you know that that's not going [TS]

00:08:29   anywhere right but it quickly turns into [TS]

00:08:32   a story about all right well that's my [TS]

00:08:36   life now but things will get better [TS]

00:08:37   later because i will use my big nerdy [TS]

00:08:40   brain to do these awesome things and [TS]

00:08:43   maybe i'll work on my own you know race [TS]

00:08:45   of a robot android army that might [TS]

00:08:49   destroy the world and then i'll go and [TS]

00:08:51   talk to her and you know we'll finally [TS]

00:08:54   get together potential realize I'm the [TS]

00:08:55   guy who destroyed the entire rent so [TS]

00:08:57   it's it it's an elaborate fantasy spun [TS]

00:08:59   out by this nerdy guy and it doesn't end [TS]

00:09:00   and hey i will have this elaborate [TS]

00:09:02   fantasy and in the end of my fantasy I [TS]

00:09:04   will get the girl and I'll show them all [TS]

00:09:06   it ends in a self-destructive conclusion [TS]

00:09:10   where despite his best efforts or [TS]

00:09:12   because of his best efforts he ends up [TS]

00:09:14   you know destroying the things that he [TS]

00:09:16   loves totally consumed by bitterness and [TS]

00:09:18   enslaving this girl that he's after so [TS]

00:09:20   it's I loved it so much because it's it [TS]

00:09:22   nicely captures the feeling of when [TS]

00:09:24   you're you know a nerdy kid that even in [TS]

00:09:27   your fantasy scenarios things and [TS]

00:09:28   horribly for you and it's all because [TS]

00:09:31   it's all because of your own instincts [TS]

00:09:34   and you're like you know like this the [TS]

00:09:36   sentiment underlying it all that you [TS]

00:09:38   know all these awkward things about me [TS]

00:09:39   we'll go in the future and I'll be [TS]

00:09:40   better but this the realization that you [TS]

00:09:42   know wherever you go there you are like [TS]

00:09:43   I'm gonna have to become okay with [TS]

00:09:45   myself otherwise things are going to [TS]

00:09:46   turn out nicely in the end and that that [TS]

00:09:50   kind of bittersweet pessimistic [TS]

00:09:52   optimistic you know cliche but counter [TS]

00:09:55   cliche thing is like the perfect the [TS]

00:09:58   perfect formula for that Jonathan [TS]

00:10:00   Coulton in my mind that's that's my [TS]

00:10:01   favorite [TS]

00:10:02   it's you know and for me one thing i [TS]

00:10:05   like about that one specifically is just [TS]

00:10:07   the the phrasing of the the title and [TS]

00:10:09   thus the course you know that I just [TS]

00:10:11   feel like the that term that is going to [TS]

00:10:13   be the future soon as a a clever way of [TS]

00:10:16   phrasing that conceit yeah i mean that [TS]

00:10:19   the title is a little he's very good [TS]

00:10:20   with the word play like his songs are [TS]

00:10:23   like the most straightforward like [TS]

00:10:24   they're not too clever but they're just [TS]

00:10:27   a little bit off and he's just very [TS]

00:10:29   tight and very concise with with the [TS]

00:10:31   music and the lyrics it's his is a great [TS]

00:10:33   songwriter I'm really surprised that you [TS]

00:10:36   listen to the music before you listen to [TS]

00:10:37   the words just in general [TS]

00:10:39   well like you know just knowing you're [TS]

00:10:40   auditioning songs like especially when i [TS]

00:10:42   was doing things a week it's like let's [TS]

00:10:43   see what he's got this week and you [TS]

00:10:45   listen to it's like some of them like [TS]

00:10:46   the music production quality is not [TS]

00:10:48   great and and some of the things a week [TS]

00:10:50   things and you never know which one is [TS]

00:10:51   going to come out and like he has really [TS]

00:10:53   good pop sensibilities with hooks but [TS]

00:10:55   sometimes the one with the best hooks [TS]

00:10:57   have the least interesting lyrics you [TS]

00:10:59   know and and it was one every single [TS]

00:11:00   week and i was paying you know kind of [TS]

00:11:01   tangential attention so that's that's [TS]

00:11:03   how i came to this and I circle back [TS]

00:11:05   around eventually and and and the future [TS]

00:11:07   soon you know when to the top of verses [TS]

00:11:09   my second choice which I listened to the [TS]

00:11:10   lyrics right off for some reason and [TS]

00:11:12   that was my old favorite so we'll get to [TS]

00:11:14   that next you know I just want to ask [TS]

00:11:17   have you ever heard John the i fight [TS]

00:11:19   dragons cover of the future soon i [TS]

00:11:21   probably have at this point i've heard [TS]

00:11:23   many covers of many developing called [TS]

00:11:25   songs but I don't recognize the the [TS]

00:11:26   artist [TS]

00:11:27   it's aight i didn't know the artist [TS]

00:11:29   before that cover but it sort of I don't [TS]

00:11:30   know that if the writers like a chip to [TS]

00:11:32   notice it's got a video game sound ya to [TS]

00:11:35   it it's very well done anyway i Fight [TS]

00:11:37   Dragons the cover the future student if [TS]

00:11:39   the future soon is like a robot [TS]

00:11:41   apocalypse version of an it gets better [TS]

00:11:43   video right but doesn't get better right [TS]

00:11:46   it gets worse it gets better the says [TS]

00:11:48   that he does get to destroy the world [TS]

00:11:50   and no one else did but he still doesn't [TS]

00:11:51   get what he wanted [TS]

00:11:52   there's nowhere you can hide yeah yeah [TS]

00:11:54   yeah that that is going to be a theme i [TS]

00:11:56   think of this discussion but you can't [TS]

00:11:58   always get what you want but if you try [TS]

00:12:00   sometimes you just might find that you [TS]

00:12:02   fail anyway [TS]

00:12:03   yeah I think that's right in my [TS]

00:12:07   introduction colon remains my favorite [TS]

00:12:09   which is code monkey going to get up.get [TS]

00:12:11   copy good monkey go to job code monkey a [TS]

00:12:17   boring meeting boring manager Rob very [TS]

00:12:24   diligent but its output this elegant [TS]

00:12:30   good monkey fake [TS]

00:13:01   because I it's a song that of course is [TS]

00:13:05   about a nerdy guy who can't get the girl [TS]

00:13:07   which has a particular relevance to my [TS]

00:13:11   life prior to my marriage but there's [TS]

00:13:14   also it was the first song that my kids [TS]

00:13:18   really took to that wasn't the kids song [TS]

00:13:20   you know they listened to a whole bunch [TS]

00:13:22   of crap that was aimed at them that was [TS]

00:13:25   marketed at them you know that was [TS]

00:13:27   designed for five-year-olds and code [TS]

00:13:30   monkey was the first song that we they [TS]

00:13:32   didn't I listen to that they asked to [TS]

00:13:35   have played and like my eldest son he [TS]

00:13:37   would take a sheet of eight and a half [TS]

00:13:39   by 11 paper and he latched onto the line [TS]

00:13:43   big fuzzy secret heart and he drew a [TS]

00:13:46   heart the size of the page [TS]

00:13:48   Andrew very fine hairs around the [TS]

00:13:49   outside of it and put a classified stamp [TS]

00:13:51   over it and hang it on the fridge and so [TS]

00:13:54   because i have very literal-minded [TS]

00:13:56   children so it'sit's I associate the [TS]

00:13:59   song not only with really enjoying it [TS]

00:14:01   and it having relevance to me but also [TS]

00:14:02   that Mike kids came into an age when [TS]

00:14:06   they started growing up when they [TS]

00:14:07   stopped being kids and they started [TS]

00:14:09   looking at a wider world and finding [TS]

00:14:11   things that that I could enjoy that they [TS]

00:14:13   could also enjoy the same time it's the [TS]

00:14:15   very transitional phase and it will [TS]

00:14:18   always stick with me because of that you [TS]

00:14:20   know what I think of that song I think [TS]

00:14:21   of him sitting was I don't even remember [TS]

00:14:24   that was a thing of weeks on but all the [TS]

00:14:25   songs i think of him sitting there and [TS]

00:14:26   saying okay I gotta write a song so we [TS]

00:14:28   got our song always need a reason so [TS]

00:14:29   come meet me an idea i come to the idea [TS]

00:14:31   of you know okay you ready i can't get [TS]

00:14:33   the girl kinda to that already but hit [TS]

00:14:34   the idea that makes them go you know now [TS]

00:14:36   I got it is that ok I'm going to the [TS]

00:14:38   lyrics like in like monkey speak right [TS]

00:14:40   now so it's so it's you know it's double [TS]

00:14:42   like I could just do this is a [TS]

00:14:43   straight-ahead song but i'm also going [TS]

00:14:45   to do them you know codemonkey get up [TS]

00:14:46   get coffee like and caveman speak and [TS]

00:14:48   that's it that once you have the idea [TS]

00:14:50   then it's off to the races and that that [TS]

00:14:51   is a great idea and it adds like a an [TS]

00:14:53   extra you know level of difficulty to [TS]

00:14:55   undo the song but the challenge myself [TS]

00:14:57   since I've done these nerdy songs i'm [TS]

00:14:58   gonna do it as a monkey and it makes it [TS]

00:15:00   10 * better i also think it works on two [TS]

00:15:02   levels both as monkey speak and as [TS]

00:15:03   pseudo code [TS]

00:15:04   yep that works well and it was thinking [TS]

00:15:08   we could stay a week 3 what I always [TS]

00:15:10   think about with code monkey is [TS]

00:15:12   you know Jonathan Colton's job before he [TS]

00:15:14   decided I'm gonna quit and start doing [TS]

00:15:15   this thing a weakling photo year it was [TS]

00:15:17   a coder and he's you know he said that [TS]

00:15:19   this song is not exactly he said that [TS]

00:15:21   the boss part is how to fire a graphical [TS]

00:15:23   but the the pining after the specific [TS]

00:15:26   woman was not but I mean I was once a [TS]

00:15:28   code monkey and I just I hated I mean [TS]

00:15:30   there's things about programming that i [TS]

00:15:31   like but doing programming where [TS]

00:15:33   specifically doing one of the persons [TS]

00:15:34   building and you can flex any creative [TS]

00:15:36   muscle i understand that monkey [TS]

00:15:38   mentality and not wanting to be the [TS]

00:15:39   monkey [TS]

00:15:40   I don't know that that's always what I [TS]

00:15:41   think about him working in that job and [TS]

00:15:43   not loving it [TS]

00:15:43   there's also the my children really [TS]

00:15:47   adoring the line goddamn login page they [TS]

00:15:50   took particular delight in that just [TS]

00:15:52   singing the song dad that's interesting [TS]

00:15:57   that he's able to communicate like I you [TS]

00:16:01   know I don't know if I knew he was a [TS]

00:16:03   programmer at the time I listen to that [TS]

00:16:05   but I said he is using the correct [TS]

00:16:07   vocabulary modified by the monkey speak [TS]

00:16:10   / pseudocode to express a sin to make [TS]

00:16:13   with the correct language like I a [TS]

00:16:15   counterexample this would be kind of [TS]

00:16:17   like a weird al's all about the Pentiums [TS]

00:16:19   which you can tell we're down two tons [TS]

00:16:21   of good research to get his lyrics to be [TS]

00:16:23   technically accurate but you could also [TS]

00:16:24   tell that weird al is not a programmer [TS]

00:16:25   right i mean whereas in this one he [TS]

00:16:28   there are very few technical words in it [TS]

00:16:30   all but the monkey speak yet you know [TS]

00:16:32   right god damn log in page himself [TS]

00:16:34   that's how managers would talk about [TS]

00:16:35   things we need to login page on this [TS]

00:16:37   like if you were working on the web as a [TS]

00:16:38   programmer during that time that lingo [TS]

00:16:40   coming from bosses talk to you know [TS]

00:16:43   spitting it back at them you know rings [TS]

00:16:45   true and I think I feel like even the [TS]

00:16:47   the tab mountain dew work and the other [TS]

00:16:49   that they wouldn't necessarily be it i [TS]

00:16:53   don't know that that weird i would have [TS]

00:16:54   gone to tab mountain dew [TS]

00:16:55   I mean I really like we don't feel like [TS]

00:16:57   that's but that's that's that's an [TS]

00:16:59   insider knowledge not those are Insider [TS]

00:17:01   E sodas but just to know that that that [TS]

00:17:03   level of caffeine is what's important to [TS]

00:17:04   certain app code monkeys i think is good [TS]

00:17:07   all right Scott hit us with your first [TS]

00:17:10   choice [TS]

00:17:11   okay well I i am a person who does not [TS]

00:17:15   enjoy Christmas generally but i do enjoy [TS]

00:17:17   Christmas songs and i also enjoy [TS]

00:17:21   Christmas socks that are mostly [TS]

00:17:22   inappropriate for Christmas and so [TS]

00:17:25   Jonathan has a number of these songs in [TS]

00:17:28   him and my favorite is a chiron beta [TS]

00:17:31   prime this here is there a crazy party [TS]

00:17:34   and you Mary [TS]

00:17:37   it's in trouble [TS]

00:17:38   here the council had a Spanish [TS]

00:17:42   right that has [TS]

00:17:45   No [TS]

00:17:53   red time [TS]

00:17:54   merry Christmas from chyron beta pride [TS]

00:17:59   where we were [TS]

00:18:02   which tells the story of a family who [TS]

00:18:05   has been captured or sent to a planet [TS]

00:18:09   where they are mining things and you [TS]

00:18:12   know being punished and they don't they [TS]

00:18:13   can only tell it's Christmas because [TS]

00:18:15   they have scrawled in their cell the [TS]

00:18:17   number of days it has been since they [TS]

00:18:19   were captured and so they they're [TS]

00:18:22   singing they sing the song to uh as a [TS]

00:18:25   christmas greeting to their friends and [TS]

00:18:27   then they try to slip in a plea for help [TS]

00:18:30   but then Jon Coulton cleverly put in a [TS]

00:18:33   robot voice that says message redacted [TS]

00:18:36   so you don't hear that part of the song [TS]

00:18:38   and so it just lights me to play the [TS]

00:18:41   song during christmas so that i can ruin [TS]

00:18:44   everyone else's Christmas when you're [TS]

00:18:46   the guy who kept voting for grandma got [TS]

00:18:47   run over by a reindeer on dr. Demento [TS]

00:18:49   where yeah that was but yes you know I i [TS]

00:18:53   had chiron beta prime on my backup list [TS]

00:18:55   you know since I couldn't live with [TS]

00:18:57   myself 23 at first but I i will say and [TS]

00:19:00   I really really like the song i have i [TS]

00:19:02   have complaints I know [TS]

00:19:04   here are my complaints and i have put [TS]

00:19:07   two number one first I think you know [TS]

00:19:09   the first verses i think are very [TS]

00:19:10   brilliantly know the lyrics are really [TS]

00:19:13   brilliantly done you know that you know [TS]

00:19:15   that the the hardships their enduring [TS]

00:19:17   having undermine their holiday cheer and [TS]

00:19:19   you know did I say overlords I mean [TS]

00:19:21   protectors i really like when singers [TS]

00:19:23   correct themselves during a song you [TS]

00:19:24   know because it's as if the song is [TS]

00:19:26   happening right then live you know I [TS]

00:19:28   like that but my two problems are one [TS]

00:19:30   with that message rejected line which is [TS]

00:19:32   a great joke the whole thing is a song [TS]

00:19:36   and its it all Rhymes and I cannot come [TS]

00:19:40   up with a realistic line that could have [TS]

00:19:41   gone there that would have run before [TS]

00:19:43   they rejected the message and I don't [TS]

00:19:44   like that i want to know what they're [TS]

00:19:45   going to say and then to is just two [TS]

00:19:48   lines later he makes the Soylent Green [TS]

00:19:51   joke and i think that the Soylent Green [TS]

00:19:52   joke is below beneath him and beneath [TS]

00:19:54   the song i like good soil green joke so [TS]

00:19:58   i will allow it I only can criticize the [TS]

00:20:05   song because of how much i love I the [TS]

00:20:07   this doesn't to track for my overall [TS]

00:20:08   enjoyment of the song but because I have [TS]

00:20:10   such you know fandom for it I feel like [TS]

00:20:12   it's important for me to voice these two [TS]

00:20:15   can separate it you've done a service [TS]

00:20:18   for the world likes don't worry anybody [TS]

00:20:21   else want to weigh in on chiron beta [TS]

00:20:22   prime this is I think the first time [TS]

00:20:24   we've mentioned it's not from being a [TS]

00:20:25   week directly right well maybe it was [TS]

00:20:29   never my number on it from think a week [TS]

00:20:30   to my nokia cool i know nothing i'm [TS]

00:20:35   curious to see if anybody pics anything [TS]

00:20:37   from artificial heart i have two [TS]

00:20:38   selections from artificial heart people [TS]

00:20:40   into the onion on your main list on your [TS]

00:20:42   mind on my main list i have my have one [TS]

00:20:45   from artificial heart as well so my [TS]

00:20:47   first pick is not from artificial heart [TS]

00:20:49   and it is one of the few songs i think [TS]

00:20:52   that I could say that I love that has a [TS]

00:20:53   colon in the title and that is read your [TS]

00:20:58   brains [TS]

00:20:59   hey Tom it's bob from the office down [TS]

00:21:02   all [TS]

00:21:05   good to see you buddy have you been [TS]

00:21:10   things have been ok for me except that [TS]

00:21:14   i'm a zombie now really wish you [TS]

00:21:19   the guys big for all of us [TS]

00:21:25   going to say I understand [TS]

00:21:28   y-you my desert submit to our [TS]

00:21:33   here's why [TS]

00:21:36   you are [TS]

00:21:44   where [TS]

00:21:47   I mean no [TS]

00:21:49   we haven't discussed yet you know how [TS]

00:21:51   you would classify jonathan coulton you [TS]

00:21:54   know I think that too many people he's [TS]

00:21:55   you know a human musician a comic [TS]

00:21:58   musician and I think you know some [TS]

00:21:59   people he might even they might even [TS]

00:22:00   apply the novelty label to him I i don't [TS]

00:22:05   think any of those really apply I think [TS]

00:22:07   he's a musician who happens to also be [TS]

00:22:08   very funny and to inject many of his [TS]

00:22:10   songs with humor but i enjoy some of his [TS]

00:22:11   seriousness as much as i enjoy the [TS]

00:22:12   humerus ones rear brains is I is pretty [TS]

00:22:16   much a straight comedy song which i [TS]

00:22:19   think is an exception for him overall [TS]

00:22:21   but i really like it [TS]

00:22:24   read your brains is told in the form of [TS]

00:22:27   sort of that a memo or a series of memos [TS]

00:22:30   from one co-worker to another and [TS]

00:22:31   clearly these workers who didn't get get [TS]

00:22:33   along well before the zombie apocalypse [TS]

00:22:34   and now that one of them is hiding [TS]

00:22:37   inside a ball and the other is the [TS]

00:22:39   zombie and the dictator of the letter [TS]

00:22:40   expressing his his desire to get inside [TS]

00:22:45   and eat his former colleagues brain and [TS]

00:22:48   his inability to do so yet but i really [TS]

00:22:50   i think this song is it's funny because [TS]

00:22:52   it like we mentioned earlier you know [TS]

00:22:53   John you said that you always like to [TS]

00:22:55   listen to the music first and then you [TS]

00:22:57   go to lyrics I'm very much the opposite [TS]

00:22:58   with all the music i listen to for me if [TS]

00:23:00   I don't like the lyrics than the song is [TS]

00:23:01   of no interest to me I think that your [TS]

00:23:04   brains uniquely has a very I don't know [TS]

00:23:09   the best work for compelling is that it [TS]

00:23:10   but very cleverly implemented chord [TS]

00:23:12   structure and I think the lyrics are [TS]

00:23:14   also just really i think they concede [TS]

00:23:16   there can only be as far as I'm [TS]

00:23:17   concerned they're going to be one song [TS]

00:23:19   told from the perspective of a still [TS]

00:23:22   very coherent zombie and jonathan [TS]

00:23:24   coulton wrote it and owns it and I just [TS]

00:23:26   I think it's excellent that the [TS]

00:23:28   brilliant thing about the song is that [TS]

00:23:29   like like his other songs that he's he's [TS]

00:23:31   got an idea like a letter from a zombie [TS]

00:23:33   right but that the entire song is a a no [TS]

00:23:36   parodied statement against office [TS]

00:23:38   culture for is in a way that's not so [TS]

00:23:41   distant from actual office culture you [TS]

00:23:43   know like but with the zombies you know [TS]

00:23:45   your colleagues who uses stupid business [TS]

00:23:47   speak are like one centimeter we removed [TS]

00:23:50   from being zombies so to see them as [TS]

00:23:52   zombies it's like not that much of a [TS]

00:23:53   stretch and the things they say that [TS]

00:23:56   things they say are you know with the [TS]

00:23:57   exception of the part about eating [TS]

00:23:58   brains every other word in this song [TS]

00:24:00   could believe [TS]

00:24:01   they come out of their mouths in the [TS]

00:24:02   course of a normal office day because [TS]

00:24:03   they're just crazy [TS]

00:24:04   sociopaths that you have to work with [TS]

00:24:06   and then they just finally admit you [TS]

00:24:08   know I'm not a monster Tom well okay [TS]

00:24:10   technically I am [TS]

00:24:11   that's one of his strengths is that he [TS]

00:24:14   takes solid I mean all the songs we've [TS]

00:24:16   mentioned so far have been really high [TS]

00:24:17   concept there's something in the title [TS]

00:24:19   that tells you what the song is going to [TS]

00:24:20   be about but the song itself isn't just [TS]

00:24:22   that joke repeated over and over and [TS]

00:24:23   over there again more layers to it [TS]

00:24:25   that's it that's definitely right [TS]

00:24:28   the title is not the only joke and it's [TS]

00:24:29   not the only meaning promise isn't the [TS]

00:24:32   only joke lyrics like everything [TS]

00:24:33   everything builds on itself and most of [TS]

00:24:35   his songs kind of like Bruce Springsteen [TS]

00:24:36   most of his songs like go somewhere you [TS]

00:24:38   know like a story and you know it's it's [TS]

00:24:41   interesting because you know i mentioned [TS]

00:24:43   that i i'm i'm a big fan of Al Yankovic [TS]

00:24:46   when you talk about that song like it's [TS]

00:24:47   all about the Pentiums he has a tendency [TS]

00:24:48   to do what he even classifies as a list [TS]

00:24:51   song you know here's my funny concept [TS]

00:24:53   and i'm going to give funny example [TS]

00:24:54   after fun example and I think that great [TS]

00:24:56   you nailed it that is not the approach [TS]

00:24:58   that that's not the approach to that [TS]

00:25:00   Colton takes he definitely tries to [TS]

00:25:02   build and to not just build on jokes if [TS]

00:25:05   it's a funny song but you know to build [TS]

00:25:06   somewhere and just that the actual [TS]

00:25:08   office speak that he puts in that song [TS]

00:25:11   and that fits so naturally coming out of [TS]

00:25:13   the zombies mouth is just so perfect [TS]

00:25:14   night table table this for now I'm sure [TS]

00:25:17   we get the common ground [TS]

00:25:18   you know you've heard these in any [TS]

00:25:20   anybody who's ever worked in corporate [TS]

00:25:21   America has or these terms and I i enjoy [TS]

00:25:24   the part where they are trying to talk [TS]

00:25:27   about of the lock himself in a room [TS]

00:25:29   writing is like who [TS]

00:25:30   no one's going to eat your eyes to worry [TS]

00:25:32   we know that this want to bring a great [TS]

00:25:34   for like they're supposed to be you know [TS]

00:25:35   using their smooth business speak but [TS]

00:25:37   they just they just matter-of-factly say [TS]

00:25:39   why don't you will come to a decision [TS]

00:25:40   are compromised will be you open the [TS]

00:25:42   door welcome and then we'll eat your [TS]

00:25:43   brains and I didn't realize their you [TS]

00:25:45   know this that there the zombies is [TS]

00:25:47   taking over there just coming right out [TS]

00:25:48   and saying what they wanted trying to [TS]

00:25:50   get some really hot i don't know how [TS]

00:25:52   many of you that I know that John has I [TS]

00:25:54   don't have any of you seen Jonathan [TS]

00:25:55   Coulton live but when he performs [TS]

00:25:58   rearrange live the first thing before [TS]

00:26:00   the song starts as hell and he'll ask [TS]

00:26:01   the audience to practicing the course he [TS]

00:26:04   wants the audience to perform the zombie [TS]

00:26:05   portion of the chorus and generally [TS]

00:26:08   speaking the audience will sing it well [TS]

00:26:10   and then he'll correct them afterward [TS]

00:26:11   say no no remember you are the undead [TS]

00:26:13   you want [TS]

00:26:14   Tommy's you must sing it much worse than [TS]

00:26:15   that and that he encourages the audience [TS]

00:26:17   to sing it much more horribly instead I [TS]

00:26:19   always enjoyed that experience this is [TS]

00:26:20   the one public forum in which my singing [TS]

00:26:22   abilities are valued and appreciated [TS]

00:26:25   finally finally I have a reason a [TS]

00:26:28   command to sing very badly and yes I can [TS]

00:26:31   do that [TS]

00:26:32   yes I've seen my many times all the [TS]

00:26:34   times I am yelling at the top of my [TS]

00:26:35   lungs and horrible totally off-key [TS]

00:26:37   zombie saying it was like god that guy [TS]

00:26:39   is so good at this army thing [TS]

00:26:40   yeah give us a sample no thank you [TS]

00:26:44   what happened we're not Jonathan Coulton [TS]

00:26:45   and I am NOT a giant audience right but [TS]

00:26:47   yes you should go to show so you two can [TS]

00:26:49   participate in this ritual i have i've [TS]

00:26:52   been lucky enough to go so let's go [TS]

00:26:55   around to John you got to start round [TS]

00:26:58   one so you get to start round two as [TS]

00:26:59   well so this was my original favorite [TS]

00:27:02   jonathan coulton song and it is kind of [TS]

00:27:03   like you know the beginners fisher price [TS]

00:27:06   my first jonathan coulton song because [TS]

00:27:08   if you don't know who he is and you're [TS]

00:27:10   not sure you write this type of thing [TS]

00:27:11   you get the song and it will introduce [TS]

00:27:12   you in a gentle way to what he's all [TS]

00:27:15   about its i crush everything like to [TS]

00:27:17   swim getting dizzy in your way getting [TS]

00:27:22   close [TS]

00:27:23   have to touch you [TS]

00:27:26   man [TS]

00:27:27   bringing down [TS]

00:27:32   [Music] [TS]

00:27:36   more [TS]

00:27:41   for baby [TS]

00:27:49   because [TS]

00:27:50   crush [TS]

00:27:53   so the premise of the song is not [TS]

00:27:58   apparent on first listening this is kind [TS]

00:28:00   of a nice thing and you know i crush [TS]

00:28:01   everything is kind of like Oh what was [TS]

00:28:03   me everything I touch gets destroyed or [TS]

00:28:04   whatever and that's what you think the [TS]

00:28:06   first 12 times you listen to it because [TS]

00:28:08   you just like our least if you're like [TS]

00:28:09   me you're like la-di-da fine whatever [TS]

00:28:11   but then if you actually listen to the [TS]

00:28:12   lyrics that it's like they don't seem to [TS]

00:28:13   be making any sense of what the heck are [TS]

00:28:15   they talking about [TS]

00:28:16   I very little if you pay just the [TS]

00:28:19   smallest bit of attention what this song [TS]

00:28:22   is about will reveal itself to you know [TS]

00:28:23   deep thought required no deep cultural [TS]

00:28:26   knowledge of anything it's about a giant [TS]

00:28:28   squid and what he does is he can't help [TS]

00:28:31   himself but pole shifts down and you [TS]

00:28:33   know to destroy them because that's what [TS]

00:28:35   giant squids do is stereotypically and [TS]

00:28:37   he feels bad about it and every lyric in [TS]

00:28:39   the song is like I'm going to you know [TS]

00:28:41   this is this look seems like a simple [TS]

00:28:42   song listen to for a second it's about [TS]

00:28:44   giant squid and it's not obscurely about [TS]

00:28:47   giant squid it's straightforwardly about [TS]

00:28:48   giant squid like you know doesn't say [TS]

00:28:50   hey I'm a giant squid but it does [TS]

00:28:51   everything but I and I love the [TS]

00:28:54   sentiment of you know sort of a nice [TS]

00:28:57   kind of a self tonight and I can't [TS]

00:29:00   believe we have to pick three songs i [TS]

00:29:01   can pick up a hundred songs but it's [TS]

00:29:02   kind of like it yeah it was me kind of [TS]

00:29:04   song like in a big bad world one or [TS]

00:29:06   something like that [TS]

00:29:07   I very simple and straightforward but [TS]

00:29:09   the fact that it's about a giant squid [TS]

00:29:11   just tickles me and turns the song on [TS]

00:29:14   it's a year and that was that was my [TS]

00:29:15   favorite before the future soon [TS]

00:29:16   surpassed it i've said this once before [TS]

00:29:19   and been wrong but I can now say with [TS]

00:29:21   conviction this is the first song we've [TS]

00:29:23   selected that is not a thing of weeks on [TS]

00:29:26   this was from his his album where [TS]

00:29:28   tradition meets tomorrow it'll just flow [TS]

00:29:31   that wasn't the future soon also from [TS]

00:29:33   that was that [TS]

00:29:34   yeah attractions near our house the [TS]

00:29:36   future soon and I crush everything [TS]

00:29:38   well I never said I was good at all [TS]

00:29:40   right you guys still remember what songs [TS]

00:29:45   come from what albums i don't know why [TS]

00:29:47   I've been looking on the wikipedia page [TS]

00:29:49   i actually bought physical kind of kelly [TS]

00:29:51   cds and they came and they are but [TS]

00:29:53   they're just jumbled into a random [TS]

00:29:55   shuffle and I told her I never even [TS]

00:29:56   opened because i had the songs before [TS]

00:29:58   that that's the thing about like I i [TS]

00:30:02   crush everything you do it anytime i'm [TS]

00:30:04   introduced to a new subculture new [TS]

00:30:05   artist i assume that the song [TS]

00:30:06   sure about giant squids and then usually [TS]

00:30:09   I'm disappointed but it's all these [TS]

00:30:13   songs that I've heard people say that [TS]

00:30:15   about Jonathan Coulton is you can tell [TS]

00:30:17   how experienced the listener is by [TS]

00:30:19   whether they laugh or whether they're [TS]

00:30:20   sad because the songs i'll start out [TS]

00:30:22   with jokes i mean there are definite [TS]

00:30:24   jokes here but as you get deeper into [TS]

00:30:26   the sentiment of the song there's real [TS]

00:30:29   profound sadness at the core of a lot of [TS]

00:30:32   them yet or like or ironic poking at [TS]

00:30:35   your own sadness again big bad world one [TS]

00:30:36   you know where it's it's it's that we [TS]

00:30:39   should get this when we get to more [TS]

00:30:40   general comments about John Caldwell [TS]

00:30:42   saver [TS]

00:30:42   okay well if we're gonna have we're [TS]

00:30:46   gonna get to those that i will move us [TS]

00:30:48   along at a slightly more rapid clip Greg [TS]

00:30:51   your second song my my second is going [TS]

00:30:53   to be Skullcrusher mountain and i know [TS]

00:30:55   its high concept and I know there's a [TS]

00:30:56   lot of jokes in there but i just-i i [TS]

00:30:58   adore the pony verse this have money at [TS]

00:31:03   monkey monster to please you [TS]

00:31:10   like it what's with [TS]

00:31:13   all screaming you like my be like me [TS]

00:31:20   so much any I [TS]

00:31:22   is too [TS]

00:31:24   he's isn't [TS]

00:31:25   No [TS]

00:31:27   honey [TS]

00:31:34   and it just specifically one line or he [TS]

00:31:37   says what's with all the screaming that [TS]

00:31:40   that reaction is so perfect and so I [TS]

00:31:44   mean again it's following the same [TS]

00:31:45   template as future soon and code monkey [TS]

00:31:48   is your sad little man wants the girl [TS]

00:31:51   but the the setting of the song and then [TS]

00:31:54   of course when you're in love with [TS]

00:31:57   somebody and they don't reciprocate [TS]

00:31:58   you're going to build them a half pony [TS]

00:32:00   half monkey monster [TS]

00:32:02   I mean that just makes sense and then [TS]

00:32:05   when wench the she has the normal [TS]

00:32:08   reaction the deed [TS]

00:32:10   what's with all the screaming I don't [TS]

00:32:12   understand why you would react that way [TS]

00:32:14   I always and maybe this is my own lack [TS]

00:32:17   of imagination but I always listen to [TS]

00:32:19   school crusher mountain is being the [TS]

00:32:21   future realized by the title character [TS]

00:32:24   in the future for the best for the [TS]

00:32:26   future soon hopefully this this is what [TS]

00:32:27   he has done [TS]

00:32:29   I think it's more gothic less [TS]

00:32:30   science-fictiony that's fair i was [TS]

00:32:32   thinking i was like the James Bond [TS]

00:32:34   villain in the volcano lair [TS]

00:32:36   yeah I don't think yes this is another [TS]

00:32:38   song we're like the song doesn't come [TS]

00:32:39   out and say hey I'm dr. evil i'm in my [TS]

00:32:41   volcano lair but just straightforwardly [TS]

00:32:43   this is even less obscured then i crush [TS]

00:32:45   everything we're remember if you listen [TS]

00:32:47   to anything lyrics as alright well this [TS]

00:32:49   is obviously some kind of super villain [TS]

00:32:50   and here's what the supervillain wants [TS]

00:32:51   and he behaves in the way the [TS]

00:32:53   supervillain does who is acclimated to [TS]

00:32:54   being a supervillain surrounded by yes [TS]

00:32:56   men who and doesn't understand the way [TS]

00:32:59   you operate in polite society of you [TS]

00:33:01   notice that genuinely surprised and that [TS]

00:33:02   turns the turns of phrase or anything [TS]

00:33:04   like maybe I used too many monkeys like [TS]

00:33:05   it's just an ingredient uses in his [TS]

00:33:07   normal it isn't it enough that Hebrew [TS]

00:33:09   and a pony making a gift that's it's the [TS]

00:33:12   thought that counts as far as that he [TS]

00:33:13   will he will mix in sentiments from [TS]

00:33:15   adult relationships again from his life [TS]

00:33:17   I've imagined this time we kill me kill [TS]

00:33:19   you to be civil like that I've been [TS]

00:33:21   patient I've been gracious it's a line [TS]

00:33:23   right out of you know typical you know [TS]

00:33:24   cutting to adulthood relationships and [TS]

00:33:26   marriage or whatever just only was in at [TS]

00:33:28   that time just mixed in you know like [TS]

00:33:30   that he has is having the same squabble [TS]

00:33:32   the women the woman is abject terror but [TS]

00:33:33   he thinks he's in a domestic you [TS]

00:33:35   well that's did in that verse splits it [TS]

00:33:37   exactly in half reading from the lyrics [TS]

00:33:39   you know it isn't easy living here on [TS]

00:33:41   skull crusher mountain maybe you could [TS]

00:33:42   cut me just a little slack [TS]

00:33:44   would it kill you to be civil I've been [TS]

00:33:45   patient I've been gracious and then [TS]

00:33:47   and this mountain is covered with Wolves [TS]

00:33:49   to hear them howling my hungry children [TS]

00:33:51   get switches right back into and that [TS]

00:33:54   that's the way I spoke to my game yeah [TS]

00:33:55   right i like how he tries to calm her [TS]

00:33:59   down by saying listen the voices inside [TS]

00:34:01   my head that control me tell me I [TS]

00:34:03   shouldn't kill you yet [TS]

00:34:04   yeah that's love is what you know when I [TS]

00:34:07   was speaking about the recorded version [TS]

00:34:09   of that song I never heard that yet and [TS]

00:34:11   of course live you hear that yet because [TS]

00:34:12   you know he's singing and he can [TS]

00:34:14   enunciated i think i like to better [TS]

00:34:15   without that yet saying the voice in my [TS]

00:34:18   head said I shouldn't kill you as if [TS]

00:34:19   that's reassuring like the fact that [TS]

00:34:20   you're listening to the voices in your [TS]

00:34:21   head that they're advising on who you [TS]

00:34:23   should or shouldn't kill is disturbing [TS]

00:34:25   enough that you don't need to yet i [TS]

00:34:26   think we get your right is very subtle [TS]

00:34:28   in the record so what side it's a [TS]

00:34:30   falsetto the note that rises at the end [TS]

00:34:32   right [TS]

00:34:33   yep that John would you perform their [TS]

00:34:35   fruits that is not yeah my duty as a job [TS]

00:34:40   audience Scott Scott share with us your [TS]

00:34:44   second song i am going to pick some a [TS]

00:34:47   fairly straightforward song that perhaps [TS]

00:34:49   many people would not pick but i am an [TS]

00:34:52   odd fellow so i'm going to pick the [TS]

00:34:55   presidents Washington came first news [TS]

00:35:00   John and skips out with friends [TS]

00:35:04   Jefferson me to Louisiana [TS]

00:35:09   Madison chicken British in hand changing [TS]

00:35:12   role [TS]

00:35:14   they could [TS]

00:35:16   Quincy and the very straightforward song [TS]

00:35:18   wow it is he just sings about the [TS]

00:35:21   president's a little fact about them i [TS]

00:35:23   enjoy a couple things about this song a [TS]

00:35:26   I like history and songs about history [TS]

00:35:28   so there you go [TS]

00:35:29   I'm a junkie I enjoy the fact that he [TS]

00:35:32   uses a toy instruments in it [TS]

00:35:36   yes that amuses me greatly and I like [TS]

00:35:39   the fact that so it was written in 2005 [TS]

00:35:41   so he gets to the end and of course [TS]

00:35:43   George W Bush is the president then he [TS]

00:35:46   wasn't there i should say might get my [TS]

00:35:48   texts correct and so he's talking about [TS]

00:35:50   george w bush and he says he goes [TS]

00:35:52   through you know the countries in a bad [TS]

00:35:56   position and nobody knows what's [TS]

00:35:57   happening and I don't like to make [TS]

00:35:59   political statements and then there are [TS]

00:36:00   a couple of beats there so he just [TS]

00:36:01   doesn't say anything and then it goes [TS]

00:36:05   back to the the verse and chorus i [TS]

00:36:08   should say so it just amuses me greatly [TS]

00:36:10   it's a very straightforward song not [TS]

00:36:12   that deep or layered but sometimes you [TS]

00:36:15   just want a song that lists all the [TS]

00:36:17   president's give you a fact about them [TS]

00:36:19   after after codemonkey might buy made a [TS]

00:36:21   Colton playlist for my kids and they [TS]

00:36:24   really enjoyed the president's but then [TS]

00:36:26   I started asking questions particularly [TS]

00:36:27   about the Clinton cigar line we gave an [TS]

00:36:32   internal cigar right yeah and I left [TS]

00:36:34   first of May off that list as well and i [TS]

00:36:38   like that the the fact that he chooses [TS]

00:36:40   to say about some of the president's [TS]

00:36:44   like you know grover cleveland serve [TS]

00:36:45   another term so there you go that's all [TS]

00:36:47   good and at this is that we write some [TS]

00:36:50   of the descriptions are you know fairly [TS]

00:36:52   accurate and it's hard to get a full [TS]

00:36:54   history of a president a single lyric [TS]

00:36:56   you know but saying Jefferson made the [TS]

00:36:58   Louisiana Purchase is good and then you [TS]

00:37:00   get like Nixon was a filthy dirty liar [TS]

00:37:01   you take this is also fairly adequate [TS]

00:37:03   description it I i do like the [TS]

00:37:05   juxtaposition of the or I think my my [TS]

00:37:07   favorite lyric I do like that that pause [TS]

00:37:10   that you reference got but Lincoln save [TS]

00:37:13   the Union that he died i like sex is [TS]

00:37:15   like that that's the history of lincoln [TS]

00:37:17   as you say the Union and they're dead [TS]

00:37:20   i laughs I laughs at Lincoln said that [TS]

00:37:23   every time and that [TS]

00:37:24   suit suit laughs well my my second [TS]

00:37:29   selection does come from artificial [TS]

00:37:31   heart and I think it's okay if we if we [TS]

00:37:32   take a parallel track here because I i [TS]

00:37:34   think my inference here is the greg koss [TS]

00:37:37   is not necessarily as a narrative [TS]

00:37:41   artificial heart as you might be the [TS]

00:37:42   rest of the cold and cannon I'm not [TS]

00:37:43   putting your words your mouth so you [TS]

00:37:44   will have a chance to prove me wrong I'm [TS]

00:37:46   disagree you know it i'm disappointed in [TS]

00:37:48   myself that I don't like it more I don't [TS]

00:37:50   want to box him in as an artist and I [TS]

00:37:52   realize he's he's reaching here he's [TS]

00:37:54   extending but unlike some of the [TS]

00:37:55   experimental stuff like bacteria I can't [TS]

00:37:58   stand but I am disappointed that i don't [TS]

00:38:00   like it because I know what he's trying [TS]

00:38:02   to do and I don't want him to keep doing [TS]

00:38:04   the same thing for the next 20 years but [TS]

00:38:06   I it just it's not the same for me [TS]

00:38:13   should give it a chance because I kind [TS]

00:38:14   of felt the same way when I first got [TS]

00:38:16   the album but it is totally like some of [TS]

00:38:18   them are it's kinda like thing week [TS]

00:38:19   where some of them are just forgettable [TS]

00:38:21   and you're like okay that didn't work [TS]

00:38:22   but other ones are real growers as they [TS]

00:38:24   call them and they have really easy up [TS]

00:38:26   several these could have made my top [TS]

00:38:28   three lies adjusted there's so much back [TS]

00:38:30   catalogue history we move the other [TS]

00:38:32   songs that none of these have been in my [TS]

00:38:34   in my heart long enough to crack the top [TS]

00:38:35   three for you so just for the [TS]

00:38:38   uninitiated uninitiated artificial heart [TS]

00:38:41   is Jonathan Colton's first full band [TS]

00:38:44   down produced by John Flansburg they [TS]

00:38:47   might be giants and it's you know it's [TS]

00:38:49   every other song that he had released [TS]

00:38:51   essentially had been done by him at home [TS]

00:38:54   generally with his acoustic guitar and [TS]

00:38:56   electronic drums in whatever keyboards [TS]

00:38:59   he could finagle and so this is you know [TS]

00:39:01   full band playing with him and so the [TS]

00:39:03   first of my 22 artificial hearts [TS]

00:39:06   elections is alone at home i am glad [TS]

00:39:11   shopping here I will kill you first [TS]

00:39:23   I won't [TS]

00:39:27   shopping [TS]

00:39:39   [Music] [TS]

00:39:42   which is another one where I think it's [TS]

00:39:44   it gets extra credit for being great to [TS]

00:39:48   me in both the lyrical sense and in the [TS]

00:39:50   you know just the the music itself I [TS]

00:39:53   think is excellently arranged but I her [TS]

00:39:57   loaded home live when Colton was opening [TS]

00:40:01   for they might be giants at the stone [TS]

00:40:03   pony in New Jersey and then you know [TS]

00:40:07   that because the the album only launched [TS]

00:40:09   two days later them and I don't know if [TS]

00:40:12   that added to my affection for the song [TS]

00:40:14   because hearing it unveiling live to me [TS]

00:40:16   for the first time was exciting but this [TS]

00:40:18   song is a song is very that the singer [TS]

00:40:23   is very angry and hateful toward his [TS]

00:40:24   wife or significant other in my view and [TS]

00:40:29   you know first easy the first verse [TS]

00:40:30   you know it's kind of gig already and as [TS]

00:40:32   we said you know it's it's another one [TS]

00:40:34   where it kind of keeps building things [TS]

00:40:36   you know where I'm going to sit here on [TS]

00:40:38   this chair while you're shopping and [TS]

00:40:39   I'll watch your person I'll take care of [TS]

00:40:41   it while you do your thing and it's fine [TS]

00:40:43   because i'm alone at home and I you know [TS]

00:40:45   much of the lyrics of the song i think [TS]

00:40:48   are straightforward i feel like the [TS]

00:40:49   chorus is open to interpretation what he [TS]

00:40:51   exactly means my saying he's alone at [TS]

00:40:53   home i think is up for debate but I [TS]

00:40:55   don't know that as that song builds and [TS]

00:40:58   he says he'll make room for your stuff [TS]

00:40:59   when you buy stuff the canvas or and [TS]

00:41:02   that he'll pretend to be nice to your [TS]

00:41:04   parents when you visit them you know [TS]

00:41:05   it's he clearly has fallen out of love [TS]

00:41:08   and I i think that whole thing I think [TS]

00:41:11   it's a hilarious thing to write a song [TS]

00:41:13   about at least in the way that he did [TS]

00:41:14   and the cryptic chorus keeps me coming [TS]

00:41:17   back and i really like the the the the [TS]

00:41:21   way he sings the chorus very energetic [TS]

00:41:24   and then and catchy i think yes I think [TS]

00:41:27   he has nice access again as a by this [TS]

00:41:30   time Mary person nice access to the [TS]

00:41:32   kinds of small things that can magnify [TS]

00:41:35   in a marriage to get on your nerves and [TS]

00:41:36   the you know he has a limited number [TS]

00:41:38   words in these verses so he's got the [TS]

00:41:40   chosen very carefully and this is what I [TS]

00:41:41   think makes him a brilliant as a linear [TS]

00:41:44   system connecting with people like me [TS]

00:41:47   particulars were that bit where he says [TS]

00:41:48   we can talk about plans for your [TS]

00:41:51   cousin's birthday if you haven't been [TS]

00:41:52   married married no sense [TS]

00:41:54   how is that how [TS]

00:41:55   was that you know something that you're [TS]

00:41:56   bitter or angry about but sometimes like [TS]

00:41:59   you just you know your your wife will be [TS]

00:42:01   way more interested in talking about [TS]

00:42:02   plans for cousins birthday then you are [TS]

00:42:04   and the fact that she's interviewed want [TS]

00:42:06   to talk about it will be annoying to you [TS]

00:42:07   and that's something that you you know [TS]

00:42:10   you wouldn't have had access to if you [TS]

00:42:13   weren't in that situation yourself and [TS]

00:42:15   couldn't relate to it that that's good [TS]

00:42:17   lyric ready [TS]

00:42:17   I think it's a mystery John that you [TS]

00:42:19   said sometimes your wife is more [TS]

00:42:21   interested in your mind is always were [TS]

00:42:24   just talking about those kind of terms [TS]

00:42:28   of the most compelling lyric that you [TS]

00:42:29   know and John you made the point a [TS]

00:42:31   couple times that it feels like it's [TS]

00:42:32   coming from his real-world experience is [TS]

00:42:34   the entirety of the bridge [TS]

00:42:36   you know I don't want you to make it up [TS]

00:42:37   to me I just wanted everyone to see the [TS]

00:42:39   way we are over this way can we just not [TS]

00:42:41   make this a thing all of which feels [TS]

00:42:43   like pulled from maybe I I mean not [TS]

00:42:45   every conversation I've had with my wife [TS]

00:42:47   but yeah it was magnified like he's [TS]

00:42:50   actually has access to those feelings [TS]

00:42:52   he's not actually in that situation but [TS]

00:42:53   he can take that and say I know that [TS]

00:42:55   exists now map it onto this character in [TS]

00:42:57   this song because it's coming from a [TS]

00:42:58   real place it's not not autobiographical [TS]

00:43:00   he's doing a great songwriters do you [TS]

00:43:02   don't have to live through this horrible [TS]

00:43:03   experiences you just have to understand [TS]

00:43:05   how they could come to be and so now I i [TS]

00:43:07   can write something that's true about [TS]

00:43:09   people who are in this situation [TS]

00:43:10   well let's do a the third and final [TS]

00:43:12   round before we get to our broader [TS]

00:43:14   Colton discussion [TS]

00:43:15   Jon you're up again yeah it's a tough [TS]

00:43:17   choice because again just limited to [TS]

00:43:19   three is killing me and i'm already [TS]

00:43:20   sneeze making it mentions of other ones [TS]

00:43:22   but i'm going to pick this one because [TS]

00:43:23   it's the least like the other ones it's [TS]

00:43:25   a very simple song that i really started [TS]

00:43:28   to like the first time I heard him live [TS]

00:43:29   and he played it I guess I figured you [TS]

00:43:32   know he likes this song so much he [TS]

00:43:33   decides to pull out live and it's fairly [TS]

00:43:35   obscure maybe I should give it another [TS]

00:43:37   listen and and I didn't have definitely [TS]

00:43:39   grown me it's I'm your moon [TS]

00:43:41   invented reason that's why it stings [TS]

00:43:48   they don't think you mad [TS]

00:43:51   because you don't have to keep telling [TS]

00:43:58   you I don't care [TS]

00:44:00   I [TS]

00:44:02   one [TS]

00:44:07   [Music] [TS]

00:44:09   which is a very straightforward not [TS]

00:44:14   funny at all song that doesn't have to [TS]

00:44:16   be about anything other than what it [TS]

00:44:17   seems to be about which is like a [TS]

00:44:18   relationship with the moon analogy but [TS]

00:44:21   is actually about Pluto and its moon [TS]

00:44:23   that is almost the same size as Pluto [TS]

00:44:25   and that little extra geeky twist makes [TS]

00:44:29   its i like i like how it's nice and [TS]

00:44:32   calming and it's fun to listen to [TS]

00:44:34   but knowing that it's also about Pluto [TS]

00:44:36   and its moon you at it gives it that [TS]

00:44:38   extra twist that that again tickles me [TS]

00:44:41   while I listen to it and i can i can if [TS]

00:44:43   i could appreciate strap even if it [TS]

00:44:44   wasn't about Pluto but that extra bit [TS]

00:44:45   puts it over the top [TS]

00:44:46   I think that's a great choice that would [TS]

00:44:48   have been my fourth choice i might might [TS]

00:44:51   my third choices along the same lines [TS]

00:44:54   it's very straightforward and it's sweet [TS]

00:44:56   is you ruined everything [TS]

00:44:58   I was fine the pull myself together [TS]

00:45:05   just-in-time throw myself away one my [TS]

00:45:15   perfect world was gone I and [TS]

00:45:21   [Music] [TS]

00:45:23   Francis way [TS]

00:45:26   [Music] [TS]

00:45:28   and my kids were little older when I [TS]

00:45:31   first heard this song but I'd never [TS]

00:45:32   found a song that expressed the kind of [TS]

00:45:37   I was terrified of having children [TS]

00:45:39   it was this giant that undoable decision [TS]

00:45:43   and it apparently so far it's worked out [TS]

00:45:47   but there's this notion of it I am [TS]

00:45:50   irrevocably changing my life right now [TS]

00:45:52   and I'm happy it happened I I dearly [TS]

00:45:56   love my children but there's also a part [TS]

00:45:59   of me that I sacrificed for that and [TS]

00:46:02   sometimes I didn't miss it [TS]

00:46:05   that's kind of the thing they don't tell [TS]

00:46:07   you about parenthood like before you're [TS]

00:46:08   becoming a parent people only one ever [TS]

00:46:10   tell you oh you're gonna love it so much [TS]

00:46:11   you can love your kids so much all which [TS]

00:46:13   is true but no one will tell you like [TS]

00:46:15   because I guess it makes them to see you [TS]

00:46:16   seem like a bad person if you go up to [TS]

00:46:18   someone and say listen and you have a [TS]

00:46:19   kid let me tell you all the bad things [TS]

00:46:20   about it and you ruined everything again [TS]

00:46:22   must have been written by someone who [TS]

00:46:24   has actually had kids and said ready [TS]

00:46:25   tell you right there are so many great [TS]

00:46:27   things about it and the heart of the [TS]

00:46:29   song is sweet but part of you dies at [TS]

00:46:34   the lyric that gets me every time is [TS]

00:46:36   what he says I can't think of who I was [TS]

00:46:37   before you ruined everything in the [TS]

00:46:39   nicest way and that's the that's the [TS]

00:46:42   thought that echoes to me the most often [TS]

00:46:44   you know I i could I thought we had one [TS]

00:46:45   kid I thought what the hell did i do [TS]

00:46:46   before i had this kid we had to what the [TS]

00:46:49   hell do I said 1-3 what the hell that I [TS]

00:46:51   don't I said to and at neck that lyric I [TS]

00:46:53   really speaks to me in a very poignant [TS]

00:46:55   level [TS]

00:46:56   have you guys ever like after kids were [TS]

00:46:58   born you know six months nine months [TS]

00:47:00   after you're born you ever find yourself [TS]

00:47:01   like driving to work and staring at [TS]

00:47:03   studio apartments as you went by doesn't [TS]

00:47:08   have the medium that has the makings of [TS]

00:47:09   a good Jonathan Coulton song i could get [TS]

00:47:12   so much done [TS]

00:47:14   yes I need a futon an internet [TS]

00:47:17   connection that's the name of your album [TS]

00:47:20   be telling edit a connection that's it [TS]

00:47:23   that's the suites on [TS]

00:47:24   I like that yeah all right Scott your [TS]

00:47:26   third and final selection i am going to [TS]

00:47:29   choose a song from artificial heart [TS]

00:47:32   final selection nemec's run fast [TS]

00:47:42   promise me [TS]

00:47:43   me [TS]

00:47:46   first of all your enemy [TS]

00:47:51   friend to me [TS]

00:47:53   that will be [TS]

00:47:56   joy it's about a never see his midst of [TS]

00:48:02   a pretty straightforward so I think [TS]

00:48:04   about the idea that it is from the [TS]

00:48:09   vantage point of the viewpoint of one [TS]

00:48:11   person who is the Nemesis or at least [TS]

00:48:14   suggesting to another person that they [TS]

00:48:15   should be in embassies so that they will [TS]

00:48:17   fulfill each other's lives basically [TS]

00:48:20   because I wouldn't i won't seem as crazy [TS]

00:48:23   you won't see him as crazy if we are [TS]

00:48:25   competing with each other and trying to [TS]

00:48:27   you know kill each other basically and i [TS]

00:48:30   will constantly be following you lurking [TS]

00:48:32   in the shadows trying to support you but [TS]

00:48:34   it will all make sense because we're in [TS]

00:48:36   embassies so that will we will complete [TS]

00:48:37   each up so it's an interesting kind of [TS]

00:48:40   strange song I think and I i enjoy [TS]

00:48:43   collecting embassies myself so it speaks [TS]

00:48:45   to me [TS]

00:48:46   there can only be one bearded [TS]

00:48:48   singer-songwriter on the Internet [TS]

00:48:51   well this is this situation where [TS]

00:48:52   someone has wants to be someone else's [TS]

00:48:54   nemesis I and perhaps the other person [TS]

00:48:57   doesn't know that that person really [TS]

00:48:58   wants to be their nemesis so badly [TS]

00:49:00   yes you're pretending you don't even [TS]

00:49:03   know my name well played all part of an [TS]

00:49:05   all-party am right nut [TS]

00:49:07   it's another foil love song isn't it and [TS]

00:49:10   it's a duet with John Roderick whose is [TS]

00:49:13   whose great this was my introduction to [TS]

00:49:15   him as a singer and it's very [TS]

00:49:17   interesting mix of voice sounds that do [TS]

00:49:20   it and that's actually interesting [TS]

00:49:23   element of artificial heart is that [TS]

00:49:26   there are is it three tracks for tracks [TS]

00:49:29   where Jonathan Coulton is not the lead [TS]

00:49:30   vocalist which is kind of unusual when [TS]

00:49:32   you buy a an album from someone you [TS]

00:49:34   think they're going to sing all the [TS]

00:49:35   songs and never cease [TS]

00:49:37   now i'm an arsonist the third version of [TS]

00:49:41   stay up still alive [TS]

00:49:43   yeah but he makes up for it work with [TS]

00:49:45   nobody loves you like me where Jonathan [TS]

00:49:46   Coulton at nine times so for my last [TS]

00:49:50   song it like i said it does come from [TS]

00:49:52   artificial heart night I far be it for [TS]

00:49:55   me to casualty list of songs that didn't [TS]

00:49:57   make the cut but they were very close [TS]

00:49:58   like curl not about you blew sunny day [TS]

00:50:00   today with your wife and good morning to [TS]

00:50:01   sign but the song that i picked was it's [TS]

00:50:05   it's I guess like Scott's caveat i'll [TS]

00:50:07   say you know it's it is cut [TS]

00:50:09   a very superficial song but i think it's [TS]

00:50:11   so brilliantly crafted and unlike any [TS]

00:50:15   song i had heard previously and yet so [TS]

00:50:17   obvious that this kind of song should [TS]

00:50:19   exist when you hear it and that is just [TS]

00:50:21   sweet Rick Springfield neighborhood [TS]

00:50:24   he's got back yet [TS]

00:50:28   share the quad coming no share hey rama [TS]

00:50:37   nam provide just explain [TS]

00:50:42   it's very very simple very simple melody [TS]

00:50:55   and really a relatively simple concept [TS]

00:50:58   all although still with a little bit of [TS]

00:51:00   ambiguity where the singer is the singer [TS]

00:51:03   either claims to be or is in fact Rick [TS]

00:51:06   Springfield and apparently in France or [TS]

00:51:09   in some other french-speaking location [TS]

00:51:11   reminding people about his greatness and [TS]

00:51:14   assuring them he that he is indeed Rick [TS]

00:51:16   Springfield but doing it all in French [TS]

00:51:18   and then even questioning his own [TS]

00:51:20   friends I guess it kind of goes back to [TS]

00:51:21   one thing that I like this you know [TS]

00:51:22   where he's correcting himself or he's [TS]

00:51:24   trying to verify that he was pronouncing [TS]

00:51:26   the French words or phrases the French [TS]

00:51:27   words correctly in song and i like that [TS]

00:51:29   i like when singers second-guess [TS]

00:51:31   themselves in within a song and I don't [TS]

00:51:34   know something about that song i can't [TS]

00:51:36   help but rock out to it in the car no [TS]

00:51:37   matter who's looking in the windows and [TS]

00:51:40   it's i don't know i think it's great [TS]

00:51:42   yeah that the nice thing about just [TS]

00:51:44   rework Springfield for me is that I'd [TS]

00:51:46   the language i took in high school was [TS]

00:51:47   french so i could actually more or less [TS]

00:51:49   understand the lyrics the first time I [TS]

00:51:51   heard the song and that's the case where [TS]

00:51:52   I was training very hard to understand [TS]

00:51:54   it because when I when I saw this I saw [TS]

00:51:56   him he was auditioning the artificial [TS]

00:51:58   heart songs in Boston he came up and did [TS]

00:52:00   a small show with the band was the first [TS]

00:52:02   time I'd seem to the band was way before [TS]

00:52:04   the element come out and one of his [TS]

00:52:06   instructions like hey here's an [TS]

00:52:07   excellent off the new album was not [TS]

00:52:08   released yet and it's all in French it's [TS]

00:52:10   like okay let me get out my high school [TS]

00:52:12   French listening years and that made me [TS]

00:52:14   listen listen to the words straight and [TS]

00:52:16   it's it is very kind of high school [TS]

00:52:18   French structured you don't it's not [TS]

00:52:20   sophisticated french i think he was [TS]

00:52:21   using his high school French to right [TS]

00:52:23   thing and so that that was interesting [TS]

00:52:25   and also now when he doesn't like he has [TS]

00:52:27   a middle section where he does a little [TS]

00:52:29   bit of Jessie's Girl which blends nicely [TS]

00:52:31   into the song very cool so let's let's [TS]

00:52:34   go a little bit broader in the time [TS]

00:52:36   we've been permitted for me i would say [TS]

00:52:38   the jonathan coulton is very much in [TS]

00:52:39   keeping with other artists listen to you [TS]

00:52:42   know my other favorite bands are bands [TS]

00:52:44   like they might be giants and Al [TS]

00:52:46   Yankovic and I don't know Moxie frutos [TS]

00:52:48   or barenaked ladies all of which I think [TS]

00:52:50   have that other people might define [TS]

00:52:53   their commonality differently for me but [TS]

00:52:54   what is what i like about it is [TS]

00:52:56   but they all appear to take what they do [TS]

00:53:00   take their craft very seriously but not [TS]

00:53:02   take themselves very seriously and then [TS]

00:53:04   let that show in in the kind of music [TS]

00:53:06   they create which I really appreciate [TS]

00:53:07   whatever reason he speaks to me so i [TS]

00:53:09   would say that he's you know old news is [TS]

00:53:11   one of that genre and in keeping from me [TS]

00:53:15   but my I throw the equation everyone did [TS]

00:53:17   you feel that this is he typically the [TS]

00:53:19   kind of music you listen to [TS]

00:53:20   i would say no for me he is up i had a [TS]

00:53:24   little bit of they might be giants [TS]

00:53:25   mostly for the kids [TS]

00:53:26   I was never really particularly into [TS]

00:53:27   them except for the few low you know [TS]

00:53:30   breakthroughs like you know a triangle [TS]

00:53:32   man or whatever that was on MTV when I [TS]

00:53:33   was a kid but I was no never really into [TS]

00:53:36   that weird out i had very few weird al [TS]

00:53:39   songs you know thrown into my collection [TS]

00:53:41   but never bought any of his albums was [TS]

00:53:43   never into it and I think the reason he [TS]

00:53:46   broke through for me is no it's kind of [TS]

00:53:50   the same way [TS]

00:53:51   why nerds get obsessed with other things [TS]

00:53:54   made by nerds like you know firefly or [TS]

00:53:56   other series on television that are you [TS]

00:54:00   know the JJ Abrams stop using that are [TS]

00:54:01   clearly made by nerds who we relate to [TS]

00:54:03   because with music as for the bands that [TS]

00:54:06   I like and I like totally generic [TS]

00:54:07   run-of-the-mill bands anyone my age like [TS]

00:54:09   oh you like Bruce Springsteen you to REM [TS]

00:54:11   and radiohead well that's novel right so [TS]

00:54:13   you know everyone likes their [TS]

00:54:14   middle-of-the-road bands but you have [TS]

00:54:16   the sneaking suspicion that the people [TS]

00:54:17   these famous people who make this music [TS]

00:54:19   that you love and I really do love those [TS]

00:54:20   bands as cliche as they are for me to [TS]

00:54:22   like them you have the suspicion that if [TS]

00:54:24   you were to hang out with them you would [TS]

00:54:25   have nothing in common because they're [TS]

00:54:27   not like they're not your people I there [TS]

00:54:30   they're not into the things you're into [TS]

00:54:31   they wouldn't they wouldn't understand [TS]

00:54:33   your humor they wouldn't have the same [TS]

00:54:35   cynical view of the world they're just [TS]

00:54:37   they're just different and you love the [TS]

00:54:38   music they make [TS]

00:54:39   partially because it's different they [TS]

00:54:40   can talk about things that you don't [TS]

00:54:42   experience but when Jonathan Coulton [TS]

00:54:43   came along he was here love joy here is [TS]

00:54:46   this person to you felt like there's no [TS]

00:54:49   way that this person could know this [TS]

00:54:51   stuff about my secret heart if he didn't [TS]

00:54:54   also experienced some of these things [TS]

00:54:56   and so I think he appeals because his [TS]

00:54:59   two major touch points are obscure [TS]

00:55:01   references and sadness [TS]

00:55:02   yeah well it's not just that like it's [TS]

00:55:04   not that's the thing that's I think [TS]

00:55:05   about him I think of another artist came [TS]

00:55:06   out and they did these similar songs so [TS]

00:55:08   these every one of these songs could [TS]

00:55:09   take up [TS]

00:55:10   bad turn for example you I you ruined [TS]

00:55:12   everything that song would not be a good [TS]

00:55:14   song it was like a song like oh these [TS]

00:55:17   kids they ruin everything that's not [TS]

00:55:18   what the song is about at its heart it's [TS]

00:55:19   it's sweet you know what i mean and so [TS]

00:55:22   many on something on a Razors Edge of [TS]

00:55:24   being crappy versions of themselves and [TS]

00:55:27   he never goes there and so all these [TS]

00:55:29   songs like finally yes this person he [TS]

00:55:32   under you know he seems to understand me [TS]

00:55:35   and I felt like I hang out with this [TS]

00:55:36   person then we would have something to [TS]

00:55:38   talk about it it's it's almost 11 of us [TS]

00:55:40   broke through like a nerd was made who [TS]

00:55:42   actually have musical talent who [TS]

00:55:44   understood lyrics pop music you know [TS]

00:55:47   hooks and enough music manship to to get [TS]

00:55:50   through and it's like yeah one of ours [TS]

00:55:51   made it in the same way that there's [TS]

00:55:52   much more of those making movies and [TS]

00:55:54   television out in the music around there [TS]

00:55:56   so so few that might be giants probably [TS]

00:55:58   qualifies but they never quite broke [TS]

00:56:00   through to me but around the Colton's [TS]

00:56:01   lyrics and music where such a connection [TS]

00:56:04   with like what's deep down inside of me [TS]

00:56:06   that I just immediately latched on it [TS]

00:56:09   you know it's that that last point for [TS]

00:56:10   me i think is is really good i like I've [TS]

00:56:13   said repeatedly now i'm a big fan of [TS]

00:56:15   weird al's but you know one of his i [TS]

00:56:17   think one of his highest charting songs [TS]

00:56:19   of all time was white and nerdy apparent [TS]

00:56:21   song ridin by chamillionaire which I [TS]

00:56:23   would imagine most people who like weird [TS]

00:56:25   i had never heard of before he parried [TS]

00:56:27   it but it you know he's constantly made [TS]

00:56:31   reference to with white nerdy it was a [TS]

00:56:33   song i was doing research for my whole [TS]

00:56:35   life but he's not the same kind of nerd [TS]

00:56:36   that I think you're referring to you and [TS]

00:56:39   you know he's making relatively try [TS]

00:56:41   jokes about you know Star Trek and [TS]

00:56:44   pocket protectors and and stuff they're [TS]

00:56:46   editing Wikipedia there's not a core of [TS]

00:56:48   emotion that is in colton songs i think [TS]

00:56:52   that's exactly right i think that's [TS]

00:56:53   what's that I think that's the [TS]

00:56:54   difference is that he doesn't you know [TS]

00:56:55   he knows about it but he doesn't feel [TS]

00:56:57   connected to it but it i mean where I [TS]

00:56:59   like we're down but we're doubt tells [TS]

00:57:00   jokes Colton has the lyrics and the the [TS]

00:57:04   humor reflect the core of emotion and [TS]

00:57:06   without that core of emotion you're not [TS]

00:57:08   going to have the same kind of wordplay [TS]

00:57:10   the same kind of twists the same kind of [TS]

00:57:12   little you know knife under the rib to [TS]

00:57:15   the to the lyrics that you do when [TS]

00:57:17   you're just making javascript jokes it's [TS]

00:57:19   kind of like is like an SAS like if he [TS]

00:57:21   was just thinking that no musical talent [TS]

00:57:23   however and didn't write songs he could [TS]

00:57:24   be a very clever effort SAS for like you [TS]

00:57:26   know suck com or something if we want to [TS]

00:57:28   go back in time to you know or the onion [TS]

00:57:30   or something like that right and this is [TS]

00:57:31   gonna sound terrible and I was kind of [TS]

00:57:33   getting it this and my other analogies [TS]

00:57:35   but I figure my soldiers bring it out in [TS]

00:57:36   sound terrible because why not because [TS]

00:57:37   these people aren't gonna find me and [TS]

00:57:39   yell at me you it's it's the feeling you [TS]

00:57:42   have as a disaffected nerdy youth that [TS]

00:57:44   it's not fair that you're smarter than [TS]

00:57:48   everyone else but nobody likes you [TS]

00:57:50   anyway right like that being smart is [TS]

00:57:52   not worth anything and you know I've [TS]

00:57:55   never met any famous musicians but you [TS]

00:57:56   get the feeling that you know Jonathan [TS]

00:57:57   Coulton is smarter than bono Jonathan [TS]

00:57:59   culture and Colton is smarter than Bruce [TS]

00:58:01   Springsteen right eye and its and I [TS]

00:58:03   think it shows in his writing because [TS]

00:58:05   his writing is smarter is it better [TS]

00:58:08   writing doesn't make for better music is [TS]

00:58:09   jonathan coulton better than Bruce [TS]

00:58:10   Springsteen I don't think that's [TS]

00:58:11   necessarily the case but it speaks to me [TS]

00:58:14   in a way that like that that that here's [TS]

00:58:16   a guy who's using his brain in the same [TS]

00:58:19   way that I felt like I would use my [TS]

00:58:20   brain if I had any time whatsoever for [TS]

00:58:22   writing music or lyrics like yes that me [TS]

00:58:25   that's what I'm you know it's just it's [TS]

00:58:27   such an incredible connection and that [TS]

00:58:29   strange to me because i think does that [TS]

00:58:31   prevent him from ever connecting with [TS]

00:58:33   like the rest of the world the normals [TS]

00:58:34   you know because he everything he writes [TS]

00:58:37   is so unashamedly it's not just like pop [TS]

00:58:39   culture references and stuff it's like [TS]

00:58:41   insight and cynicism and and sentiment [TS]

00:58:45   all mixed together in the same soup in [TS]

00:58:47   the same way that it is inside you know [TS]

00:58:49   their brains how many mainstream pop [TS]

00:58:51   songs have actually sent required that [TS]

00:58:53   you go look something up it or taught [TS]

00:58:56   you anything because because because [TS]

00:58:57   love to learn new things so he will [TS]

00:58:59   understand medley make parts of the song [TS]

00:59:01   educational but its side [TS]

00:59:03   I when I read you know the entire [TS]

00:59:04   wikipedia entry for serious Johnson [TS]

00:59:06   because i had no idea who he is because [TS]

00:59:08   i live on the west coast or the you know [TS]

00:59:11   he put the formula for when I got a [TS]

00:59:14   wrong no but that's ok it's the Julia [TS]

00:59:16   set but but he had the formula for a [TS]

00:59:18   fractal in a song [TS]

00:59:20   well that's what I was going to put that [TS]

00:59:21   would have been another on my list of [TS]

00:59:23   like top 10 or whatever because I so [TS]

00:59:25   he's got a song about fractals so what [TS]

00:59:26   like that so you know it's cute and tell [TS]

00:59:28   some history and a little bit [TS]

00:59:29   educational but that the brilliant thing [TS]

00:59:32   about him is that he's not going to [TS]

00:59:33   settle for that i'm not going to write a [TS]

00:59:34   cute little song about fractals that's a [TS]

00:59:35   little bit educational isn't it [TS]

00:59:37   and find the song about fractals and I [TS]

00:59:38   curse he has decided he's thought about [TS]

00:59:40   it and decided there's something [TS]

00:59:42   significant about fractals and he puts [TS]

00:59:44   it in the course change the world in a [TS]

00:59:46   tiny way they did that little thing [TS]

00:59:48   change the world not in a big way but [TS]

00:59:50   some smart person use their brain and [TS]

00:59:52   change the world in a tiny tiny way [TS]

00:59:54   through and I enjoyed that song because [TS]

00:59:56   i went to see Mandelbrot to give a [TS]

00:59:59   lecture once [TS]

00:59:59   lecture once [TS]

01:00:00   when I was in college and I had no idea [TS]

01:00:01   what he's talking about about he [TS]

01:00:03   introduced himself and that was at the [TS]

01:00:05   after that I had no idea what he's [TS]

01:00:07   talking about but it was great to see [TS]

01:00:08   because he had so much passion and I [TS]

01:00:10   think that Jonathan Coulton also has a [TS]

01:00:12   lot of passionate about his his [TS]

01:00:14   craftsmanship and I what he's doing and [TS]

01:00:18   that shows through and i also like as [TS]

01:00:20   you know sometimes creative person [TS]

01:00:23   myself hopefully I the the idea of the [TS]

01:00:27   the thing a week really spoke to me [TS]

01:00:29   about how he forced himself every week [TS]

01:00:31   to write a new song and whether it was [TS]

01:00:33   good or bad he would do it and release [TS]

01:00:36   it and that is something that I aspire [TS]

01:00:38   to myself I don't actually do it but I [TS]

01:00:41   think about maybe getting something like [TS]

01:00:44   that but that's another that's [TS]

01:00:46   definitely a nerd thing to do like nerds [TS]

01:00:48   like I'm gonna lose weight so what I'm [TS]

01:00:49   gonna do is only eat you know this [TS]

01:00:51   amount of food and i'm going to blog the [TS]

01:00:52   entire experience and recorded and I'm [TS]

01:00:54   going to keep a journal and like the [TS]

01:00:55   scientific approach the obsessive [TS]

01:00:56   scientific approach to everything so he [TS]

01:00:58   said I want to be a recording artist I [TS]

01:00:59   do i do this i will do this you know [TS]

01:01:00   very structured and very you know like [TS]

01:01:03   you know he's keeping a notebook and [TS]

01:01:05   keeping track it you know that's that's [TS]

01:01:07   just a nerdy way to go about becoming a [TS]

01:01:08   nerdy musician and so I i think i know [TS]

01:01:12   the answer but I don't know the that [TS]

01:01:14   greg and scott way in which you say that [TS]

01:01:15   that cold is in keeping with the kind of [TS]

01:01:17   music you generally listen to i think [TS]

01:01:19   the commonality for me is that I'm a [TS]

01:01:22   lyrics first guy and so if the lyrics [TS]

01:01:24   surprise me or I find them elegant I [TS]

01:01:27   don't care all that much with the music [TS]

01:01:29   is like i enjoy particular genres of [TS]

01:01:31   music more than others but if if if [TS]

01:01:35   they're good lyrics it's a good song and [TS]

01:01:38   that that goes across pretty much every [TS]

01:01:40   band i listen to i can't think of a band [TS]

01:01:42   that i listen to that's just kind of [TS]

01:01:43   dumb rhythm driven fun i'm great at a [TS]

01:01:48   party [TS]

01:01:49   let me tell you because what John [TS]

01:01:50   listens to what I mean I i tend to [TS]

01:01:53   eventually reject the songs that don't [TS]

01:01:54   have anything interesting in them [TS]

01:01:56   lyrically but I definitely I'm music [TS]

01:01:58   first kind of personal some jonathan [TS]

01:01:59   coulton as long as I i don't i can't [TS]

01:02:01   really i'm not a music person so I can [TS]

01:02:02   gauge how good of a musician he is [TS]

01:02:04   but I I feel like his some of his songs [TS]

01:02:06   work musically really well and if you [TS]

01:02:08   took the lyrics away entirely you've got [TS]

01:02:11   a solid pop song they're you know like [TS]

01:02:13   dad that's Ted absolutely true but the [TS]

01:02:15   reason he's he's at the top of the list [TS]

01:02:17   is because of his lyrical abilities [TS]

01:02:19   yes it is obviously everybody like I [TS]

01:02:21   think I think he gets under I think he [TS]

01:02:22   gets under appreciated as as a musician [TS]

01:02:24   at least as far as I'm concerned because [TS]

01:02:26   I you know I don't know if he could make [TS]

01:02:28   it traditionally because his brain would [TS]

01:02:30   prevent him from writing a traditional [TS]

01:02:31   song but I i also feel like I'm much [TS]

01:02:34   more qualified to judge lyrics and I am [TS]

01:02:36   to judge music along the same lines [TS]

01:02:37   right but I mean it's easy to tell what [TS]

01:02:40   you like I like a lot of I mean open it [TS]

01:02:42   Radiohead the flaming lips are very [TS]

01:02:44   strange musically and I know what I like [TS]

01:02:47   I just don't know if that's like good [TS]

01:02:49   music bad music that's just you know [TS]

01:02:50   what friends are actually closed there [TS]

01:02:52   is that they're they're somewhat nerdy [TS]

01:02:55   to a little bit or maybe they're just [TS]

01:02:57   crazy it's very difficult to tell [TS]

01:02:59   sometimes who I well he fits in very [TS]

01:03:05   nicely with what i listen to generally [TS]

01:03:07   although i listen to a very strange mix [TS]

01:03:09   of things but certainly I enjoy clever [TS]

01:03:12   kind of happy songs that when you listen [TS]

01:03:16   to the lyrics you realize this is not a [TS]

01:03:18   happy song at all but it's so it sounds [TS]

01:03:21   so happy but this person is so sad [TS]

01:03:24   actually you know it's come to think of [TS]

01:03:26   it there is one John music they listen [TS]

01:03:28   to the jonathan coulton does fit into [TS]

01:03:29   and a large amount of music that was two [TS]

01:03:32   when i'm working doesn't have any lyrics [TS]

01:03:34   and it's video game music whether 8-bit [TS]

01:03:37   or orchestral or versions of it or [TS]

01:03:39   remixes a videogame music and what kind [TS]

01:03:42   of person listens to video game music [TS]

01:03:43   someone who's played a lot of video [TS]

01:03:44   games so what kind of person has played [TS]

01:03:46   a lot of video games someone who is you [TS]

01:03:47   know is a disaffected night you know so [TS]

01:03:48   all can expect the Colton but i dont [TS]

01:03:50   even list that like what kind of music [TS]

01:03:52   you like him and people ask what kind of [TS]

01:03:53   bands i don't list like you know that [TS]

01:03:56   the art of the artists that make a [TS]

01:03:57   shooters artist to make music for video [TS]

01:04:00   game soundtracks but that that is if you [TS]

01:04:03   look at like most recently played and [TS]

01:04:05   like my itunes collection you'll be like [TS]

01:04:07   wow fifty percent of music you listen to [TS]

01:04:09   his video game soundtracks and jonathan [TS]

01:04:10   coulton [TS]

01:04:11   what's what's amazing to me is how house [TS]

01:04:16   quickly and successfully he's ended up [TS]

01:04:18   becoming one of the dominant artists i [TS]

01:04:20   listened to in itunes because i was [TS]

01:04:21   looking at the playlist numbers and [TS]

01:04:24   things and you know its most of the [TS]

01:04:26   artists that i still listen to today [TS]

01:04:27   I've listened to for you know since my [TS]

01:04:29   childhood and he came around in the for [TS]

01:04:33   me and I guess in the early mid 2000s [TS]

01:04:35   and he's he's as prominent Miley you [TS]

01:04:38   know in every playlist that i generate [TS]

01:04:40   as something like they might be giants [TS]

01:04:42   and I think that's very impressive [TS]

01:04:44   because this there aren't I don't know [TS]

01:04:46   if it's diminishing returns or what but [TS]

01:04:48   it doesn't feel like today there are as [TS]

01:04:49   many artists coming up who are in that [TS]

01:04:51   sort of nerdy geeky zone who are [TS]

01:04:54   interested you are interested in singing [TS]

01:04:55   smartmusic and I'm glad that he's there [TS]

01:04:59   to it it's hard to believe he's been [TS]

01:05:01   releasing songs for almost 10 years [TS]

01:05:02   right [TS]

01:05:03   he's very productive like the number it [TS]

01:05:05   seems like the number of since he didn't [TS]

01:05:07   stick to the album every three or four [TS]

01:05:08   years traditional band format like he [TS]

01:05:10   just kept spewing out songs and that [TS]

01:05:12   like that a part of the reason they come [TS]

01:05:14   up so often in my little you know rated [TS]

01:05:16   three-plus random playlist i listen to [TS]

01:05:18   is because there's just so many of them [TS]

01:05:19   and when I look at my itunes usage [TS]

01:05:21   history it you know it's video game [TS]

01:05:23   music jonathan coulton and like the next [TS]

01:05:25   highest traditional band i was surprised [TS]

01:05:27   but as myself because I had to list them [TS]

01:05:28   in terms of my favorites i wouldn't have [TS]

01:05:30   listed this right next to that I was REM [TS]

01:05:32   which is like the proto nerd band right [TS]

01:05:34   where they were they were nerdy kind of [TS]

01:05:36   before we really knew what nerds were [TS]

01:05:38   about and their music was kind of nerdy [TS]

01:05:40   before energy music was popular that [TS]

01:05:42   that's like the number three after video [TS]

01:05:44   games and John they called and also [TS]

01:05:46   because i have been alive every album [TS]

01:05:47   that made they have a big catalog to [TS]

01:05:49   their you know so tends to just come up [TS]

01:05:50   a lot art school nerds [TS]

01:05:52   yeah there's all different all different [TS]

01:05:54   varieties of nerds are finally jonathan [TS]

01:05:56   coulton found the exact exact species [TS]

01:05:58   that I've longed to minus the musical [TS]

01:06:01   talent portion i will i will say that [TS]

01:06:03   none of the songs that people picked out [TS]

01:06:05   tonight you know shock to me whatever [TS]

01:06:06   like how did you pick that clunker [TS]

01:06:08   because i don't think we hurt anyone but [TS]

01:06:09   the thing that surprises me the the [TS]

01:06:11   thing that'll be left ruminating on is [TS]

01:06:13   John Syracuse's saying you know that [TS]

01:06:15   he's he's not into something like they [TS]

01:06:17   might be giants which I think has just [TS]

01:06:19   tremendous audience and stylistic [TS]

01:06:21   overlap but likes cold so now i don't [TS]

01:06:23   know i was thinking how can i how can we [TS]

01:06:25   wrap up [TS]

01:06:25   what happened we say you know so if you [TS]

01:06:28   know if you like this then you like this [TS]

01:06:29   that what I can't really say that [TS]

01:06:31   basically said now I feel like it's [TS]

01:06:32   really you know if you like the [TS]

01:06:34   incomparable there's a decent chance [TS]

01:06:36   that you like Jonathan Coulton music but [TS]

01:06:38   i can't go to a specific artist if if [TS]

01:06:40   John doesn't consider himself with [TS]

01:06:41   aliens I've tried to introduce people to [TS]

01:06:43   jonathan coulton and it almost never [TS]

01:06:45   takes like I think you have to if you [TS]

01:06:48   haven't found to contain yourself by now [TS]

01:06:50   it's may not be may not be for you right [TS]

01:06:52   now because i'll show it to people and [TS]

01:06:54   I'll just I'll just be amazed that like [TS]

01:06:56   art your your kind of smart nerdy to [TS]

01:06:59   like how can you not appreciate that [TS]

01:07:00   some people just aren't interested in [TS]

01:07:02   music because it's too boring for them [TS]

01:07:04   and they can't get past that or they're [TS]

01:07:06   you know it's too tiring to listen to [TS]

01:07:08   the lyrics or it takes [TS]

01:07:09   they just you know it bounces off but i [TS]

01:07:11   find that kind of said that like I don't [TS]

01:07:13   want him to be a cultivated I think he [TS]

01:07:15   deserves even more success than he has [TS]

01:07:17   no see I think he's I think he's passed [TS]

01:07:19   cultus well do you think so but we're [TS]

01:07:21   less because we're all on the cult-like [TS]

01:07:23   try you know try picking a person [TS]

01:07:24   experiencing a have you heard round the [TS]

01:07:26   cold and the answer is obviously know [TS]

01:07:27   and be hey travels into the song what do [TS]

01:07:29   you think they gonna be like no it's not [TS]

01:07:31   you know it unless they're like portal [TS]

01:07:34   players right well even even that like [TS]

01:07:36   the people who are into video games i go [TS]

01:07:37   that song was kind of cute but they [TS]

01:07:38   don't ya [TS]

01:07:39   don't you feel it I i think it's still a [TS]

01:07:42   culty kind of thing because it as big as [TS]

01:07:44   he is like I saw him into paradise a [TS]

01:07:45   couple weeks ago and that that's a room [TS]

01:07:47   like not even as big as my house he's [TS]

01:07:49   not selling out stadiums right or even [TS]

01:07:52   arenas are and are any big indoor venue [TS]

01:07:54   just a little tiny clubs and you can get [TS]

01:07:56   tickets you know up to a couple days [TS]

01:07:58   before no big deal it's definitely still [TS]

01:07:59   cold i think i will say that the thing [TS]

01:08:02   that one thing that surprised me was [TS]

01:08:04   just this week [TS]

01:08:05   jonathan coulton tweeted a link to an [TS]

01:08:08   interview he had done and in this intro [TS]

01:08:12   in this piece that he links to where it [TS]

01:08:14   made reference to his earning five [TS]

01:08:17   hundred thousand dollars a year now from [TS]

01:08:19   his music and i'm not saying he's like [TS]

01:08:20   is a popular I mean that is a measure of [TS]

01:08:23   success [TS]

01:08:23   yeah now it's it it's fine like I'm he [TS]

01:08:26   said that he said that an NPR interview [TS]

01:08:27   when he was being interviewed on NPR [TS]

01:08:29   like last year or so it was planet money [TS]

01:08:31   and the MSM him he regretted that he had [TS]

01:08:34   said anything about how much your inbred [TS]

01:08:36   but like they got it out of him and he [TS]

01:08:39   disappointed in an interview and so was [TS]

01:08:40   I because they kept saying internet [TS]

01:08:41   musician jonathan coulton this one hit [TS]

01:08:43   wonder if Luke that well he got lucky [TS]

01:08:46   and related big on the internet and this [TS]

01:08:47   is not a sustained like the jonathan [TS]

01:08:49   coulton business model and that whole [TS]

01:08:50   thing that's like all the podcast we [TS]

01:08:52   could do you know about making money [TS]

01:08:55   online sexual property of stuff but [TS]

01:08:57   financially I don't feel like bad for [TS]

01:08:59   him that he's not successfully thing is [TS]

01:09:00   just that like he's self-limiting [TS]

01:09:02   through what he does that he's never [TS]

01:09:04   going to have the broad appeal and [TS]

01:09:06   abroad and I don't think like he [TS]

01:09:07   deserves the broad appeal because it [TS]

01:09:09   needs to be fabulously wealthy more than [TS]

01:09:11   he is but just because like you know I [TS]

01:09:13   guess the same reason you think it's [TS]

01:09:14   unfair that people you think are so [TS]

01:09:16   clever and and artistically like that [TS]

01:09:18   artistic insight and cleverness and you [TS]

01:09:21   know at such such a great package and [TS]

01:09:24   just not appreciated by the vast [TS]

01:09:26   majority of the population but the [TS]

01:09:27   reason he's so deeply appreciated by a [TS]

01:09:29   minority of the population is because he [TS]

01:09:31   is specifically who he is the same thing [TS]

01:09:34   that limits his broad appeal is what [TS]

01:09:36   inspires the deep appeal [TS]

01:09:38   maybe we wouldn't be doing a podcast on [TS]

01:09:40   him if if he worked deluded enough to be [TS]

01:09:43   hugely popular well that that's the [TS]

01:09:45   thing is like is it because like it's [TS]

01:09:47   impossible to appeal but that's that's [TS]

01:09:49   the weird thing about his music and a [TS]

01:09:51   couple other things as compared to a TV [TS]

01:09:53   or movies because you can make [TS]

01:09:54   television or movies that speaks [TS]

01:09:55   directly to us nerds and we love it and [TS]

01:09:58   we just think it's so awesome [TS]

01:09:59   interesting and it's not dumb down at [TS]

01:10:00   all and yet also has broad appeal also [TS]

01:10:03   is critically acclaimed also like [TS]

01:10:05   crosses over right [TS]

01:10:06   I but with me but it's taking a long [TS]

01:10:09   time to get there and enhance but like [TS]

01:10:11   music is not very comic book movies [TS]

01:10:13   weren't big releases 20 years ago that [TS]

01:10:15   wouldn't be the example I would use but [TS]

01:10:16   i would say like yeah well I [TS]

01:10:18   specifically picked the Avengers because [TS]

01:10:20   of you [TS]

01:10:21   area i think i think the general culture [TS]

01:10:25   is moving more in his direction but he's [TS]

01:10:27   way out and yes and they could they [TS]

01:10:29   could catch up to him but I've got that [TS]

01:10:32   would be a great day for the general [TS]

01:10:33   culture I think when you talk about [TS]

01:10:35   somebody who's crossed over it would be [TS]

01:10:37   like parchment who is of course closely [TS]

01:10:40   related to call out i mean his college [TS]

01:10:42   roommate y le yeah like you he was on [TS]

01:10:44   those apple and that's how people know [TS]

01:10:45   him and he is on the daily show but the [TS]

01:10:48   daily show and the books have been very [TS]

01:10:50   popular i mean i think that sound is [TS]

01:10:52   nerds is popular for book means is much [TS]

01:10:54   lower bar that commitment you know they [TS]

01:10:56   sell a couple hundred thousand copies of [TS]

01:10:58   a book but also popular for a musician [TS]

01:10:59   is the same as popular for authors and I [TS]

01:11:02   mean you have Stephen King and you have [TS]

01:11:04   REM but you know Justin Justin Bieber is [TS]

01:11:06   a popular lady gaga is popular but this [TS]

01:11:10   in so it's stephen king but that's not [TS]

01:11:11   every author whose I guess making an [TS]

01:11:13   impact on the culture but I see Jonathan [TS]

01:11:16   Coulton so I love justin bieber's books [TS]

01:11:18   but so i guess i guess my response to [TS]

01:11:21   John would be that I think you're I [TS]

01:11:23   think you're right that you can't say [TS]

01:11:24   cold does not qualify as a a mainstream [TS]

01:11:27   successful artist you know he you're [TS]

01:11:31   right the most people don't know who he [TS]

01:11:32   is you know my wife might pick out my [TS]

01:11:35   wife who does not fit into you know our [TS]

01:11:36   culture would not you know she might be [TS]

01:11:39   able to pick out you know a dozen or [TS]

01:11:41   maybe fewer Colton songs that really [TS]

01:11:43   speak to her but she's shy but she's [TS]

01:11:46   certainly not a fan but i think that the [TS]

01:11:48   second point and the I think maybe even [TS]

01:11:51   part of Greg's point is that it doesn't [TS]

01:11:53   matter you know and that's wonderful you [TS]

01:11:55   know the fact that he can be successful [TS]

01:11:56   and make a an excellent living and [TS]

01:11:59   entertain those who are willing and [TS]

01:12:01   eager to be entertained by him [TS]

01:12:02   regardless the fact that he's not huge I [TS]

01:12:04   think its gravity should write a song [TS]

01:12:06   about John at the person named like [TS]

01:12:08   Jonathan Coulton like you know Thomas [TS]

01:12:10   molten being born 400 years in the past [TS]

01:12:13   and nobody knows about him because he [TS]

01:12:15   has no way to make every I had no way to [TS]

01:12:17   make a living there's no internet is no [TS]

01:12:18   way that he can harness his obvious [TS]

01:12:20   talents and and spread his his art to [TS]

01:12:24   the people who would appreciate it and [TS]

01:12:25   so we just didn't he works like a [TS]

01:12:26   blacksmith and dies [TS]

01:12:28   jonathan coulton has a long tail and I'm [TS]

01:12:31   i will make this incomparable promise if [TS]

01:12:33   jonathan coulton hears this and record [TS]

01:12:35   that song John siracusa will record a [TS]

01:12:37   cover of it i would actually do that I [TS]

01:12:41   will probably do anything that Jonathan [TS]

01:12:43   Coulton ever asked me that little bit of [TS]

01:12:47   a man crush I i understand i share that [TS]

01:12:51   may crush everything [TS]

01:12:53   well I want to say thank you to [TS]

01:12:57   everybody for putting up with me but be [TS]

01:12:59   for a very interesting talk about [TS]

01:13:01   Jonathan Coulton so thank you John Scott [TS]

01:13:03   and Greg thank you thank you x [TS]

01:13:06   Thank You legs sure and that's it [TS]

01:13:10   I don't know how jason has these things [TS]

01:13:12   hey guys i happen to have the man [TS]

01:13:14   himself jonathan coulton right here with [TS]

01:13:17   me and he has something that you'd like [TS]

01:13:18   to say to you I heard what you were [TS]

01:13:20   saying you know nothing of my work I [TS]

01:13:24   mean how you got to record a podcast [TS]

01:13:26   about anything is totally amazing how if [TS]

01:13:29   only real life worked like this [TS]

01:13:37   this was a triumph i'm making a note [TS]

01:13:40   here you success it's hard to overstate [TS]

01:13:45   my satisfaction [TS]

01:13:55   [Music] [TS]

01:14:04   thank you for doing this i really [TS]

01:14:05   appreciate it you sure I'm flattered [TS]

01:14:10   that you guys did it did a whole show [TS]

01:14:11   about maybe it's very you know it's [TS]

01:14:14   flattering creepy by I was gonna say [TS]

01:14:16   it's you got for geeky people spending [TS]

01:14:19   an hour talking about you [TS]

01:14:21   I'm not sure whether that's something [TS]

01:14:23   that maybe happens to every day on the [TS]

01:14:25   internet I don't know I guess I it may I [TS]

01:14:29   you know I don't hear about it most of [TS]

01:14:31   the time I think but nobody's very very [TS]

01:14:34   very kind of you [TS]

01:14:35   very kind of you they said very nice [TS]

01:14:37   things about you oh good i prefer if i [TS]

01:14:39   responded would have asked was this is [TS]

01:14:40   there is a flame flame episode because [TS]

01:14:43   that's right i don't contribute to that [TS]

01:14:45   it really it was what's wrong with [TS]

01:14:47   jonathan coulton with where'd he go [TS]

01:14:49   wrong this backlash it's starting the [TS]

01:14:52   backlash [TS]

01:14:52   well somebody's got to do it you know [TS]

01:14:54   obviously I'm not insecure podcast [TS]

01:14:57   nobody knows about [TS]

01:15:00   i I just had this vision when they said [TS]

01:15:03   well we're gonna record the jonathan [TS]

01:15:04   coulton episode I said you know what [TS]

01:15:05   would be really funny as if he appeared [TS]

01:15:07   and said well as bad as if Woody Allen [TS]

01:15:10   drag him over you people know nothing [TS]

01:15:12   about what I do and I don't even know [TS]

01:15:15   why you're here but no I think I think I [TS]

01:15:18   guess is probably funniest I mean that [TS]

01:15:21   because you can get kind of could go two [TS]

01:15:23   ways you know you can either just like [TS]

01:15:24   directly quote Marshall McLuhan from [TS]

01:15:28   that movie in the hopes that people will [TS]

01:15:30   get the reference or you could have a [TS]

01:15:32   completely off the conversation but I [TS]

01:15:35   think it's better to to actually do the [TS]

01:15:37   the reference and Martin actually just [TS]

01:15:38   ask me every blast in and say say those [TS]

01:15:42   lines alright alright i can I i don't [TS]

01:15:45   know i mean it's it's your podcast you [TS]

01:15:47   tell know let's let's go let's give that [TS]

01:15:48   a try [TS]

01:15:49   why not alright let's give that a try [TS]

01:15:50   and see if it works I mean you're [TS]

01:15:53   Marshall McLuhan acting briefly I know [TS]

01:15:55   mark it's not what he was most known for [TS]

01:16:00   not not real actually sometimes I wonder [TS]

01:16:02   if maybe he's more I was a comm major [TS]

01:16:05   right I did whole classes about Marshall [TS]

01:16:08   McLuhan but most people probably think [TS]

01:16:10   movie maybe long terminated my the thing [TS]

01:16:14   that is most remembered for us that that [TS]

01:16:16   little camera out [TS]

01:16:17   sad and me too when they look back on [TS]

01:16:20   the history of the world and they see [TS]

01:16:21   the st. John picoult use the game ended [TS]

01:16:23   that Marshall McLuhan reference on that [TS]

01:16:25   podcast right but that would be the [TS]

01:16:28   other way to go i was going to think you [TS]

01:16:29   know I don't know he was he wasn't he [TS]

01:16:31   was singing a song and the video game [TS]

01:16:32   didn't sing a song in a video game but [TS]

01:16:34   it's not era it's also funny the guys on [TS]

01:16:37   the podcast almost to a man said that [TS]

01:16:39   they first heard about you from from [TS]

01:16:42   baby got back [TS]

01:16:43   no kidding and I thought wow I that and [TS]

01:16:46   that's not true for me at all [TS]

01:16:47   I i think it's a mighty my wife sent me [TS]

01:16:49   an mp3 is of skull crusher mountain when [TS]

01:16:52   it was posted and she thought that I [TS]

01:16:54   would think it was funny but they all [TS]

01:16:56   were there at the start [TS]

01:16:58   well you got sculpture mountain is that [TS]

01:17:00   that's very early [TS]

01:17:01   that's but that's before that's before I [TS]

01:17:03   didn't quit my job so I think you win [TS]

01:17:05   the prize Wow whenever they were much [TS]

01:17:08   hardcore i actually I bought your ipod [TS]

01:17:10   artificial heart after i saw you open [TS]

01:17:12   for they might be giants when you're in [TS]

01:17:14   san francisco earlier this year [TS]

01:17:15   hopefully last year and now I of course [TS]

01:17:17   have dug back into the back catalogue [TS]

01:17:19   oh good oh that's interesting thing i've [TS]

01:17:21   got a stream jr. you're going backwards [TS]

01:17:24   I came around the backside yeah I'm like [TS]

01:17:26   the Benjamin Button of jonathan coulton [TS]

01:17:28   not a thing I don't know [TS]

01:17:32   yeah i think so is alright but i can't [TS]

01:17:36   wait to like it too baby got back but [TS]

01:17:37   didn't that'll be that [TS]

01:17:38   so I think the people who get the [TS]

01:17:46   reference you're really going to enjoy [TS]

01:17:47   that I all five of them people who [TS]

01:17:52   remember I I one of the things you've [TS]

01:17:54   got a second which was just too i want [TS]

01:17:56   to list it so the idea is they did this [TS]

01:17:58   essentially is a jonathan coulton draft [TS]

01:18:00   where everybody got to pick a 33 rounds [TS]

01:18:04   of favorite songs and I want to run by [TS]

01:18:06   you just to see if any of them struck [TS]

01:18:08   you as being particularly odd i mean i [TS]

01:18:10   think you're at your favorites that the [TS]

01:18:11   fans like and I think that's pretty [TS]

01:18:13   pretty natural but just to run through [TS]

01:18:15   them alone at home coach that my Mary [TS]

01:18:18   person pick that huh [TS]

01:18:21   chiron beta prime code monkey [TS]

01:18:24   i crush everything I'm your I'm your [TS]

01:18:27   moon regarding your brains [TS]

01:18:31   which I think we've clearly establishes [TS]

01:18:32   read your brains now [TS]

01:18:34   yes Skullcrusher mountain the future [TS]

01:18:37   soon the precedence [TS]

01:18:39   wow you ruined everything [TS]

01:18:42   nemec's and it's just we were explaining [TS]

01:18:45   field and if you out of the president I [TS]

01:18:48   the president's uh I feels like an [TS]

01:18:51   unusual one for me to pick as a as a [TS]

01:18:54   favorite only because it's me you know i [TS]

01:18:57   mean it's what it's one of the sillier [TS]

01:18:59   ones musically it's a little a little [TS]

01:19:01   goofball one of our one of our panelists [TS]

01:19:04   pointed out that his kids he made a [TS]

01:19:07   playlist of more kid-friendly jonathan [TS]

01:19:11   coulton songs for his sons after after [TS]

01:19:14   they loved code monkey and one of his [TS]

01:19:17   sons drew a picture of a warm fuzzy [TS]

01:19:19   heart and then stamp intensified on it [TS]

01:19:22   so it was a warm fuzzy secret heart but [TS]

01:19:25   when they get to the president's they [TS]

01:19:26   asked what Bill Clinton did with the [TS]

01:19:28   cigar and then there was an awkward [TS]

01:19:29   silence you even when their kid friendly [TS]

01:19:34   they're not really not only so much that [TS]

01:19:37   someone is certified alone at home [TS]

01:19:39   I mean I like that one a lot too but [TS]

01:19:42   that feels like one that I'm surprised [TS]

01:19:45   somebody picked as one of their [TS]

01:19:46   favorites [TS]

01:19:47   not that it's not good it's a attacks [TS]

01:19:50   into some something painfully true for a [TS]

01:19:52   lot of people i think that it's a that's [TS]

01:19:54   basically what they said is that is that [TS]

01:19:55   you have those I mean exaggerated to a [TS]

01:19:57   to surgery with those moments of [TS]

01:19:59   frustration and in going i was read that [TS]

01:20:03   as being a little bit of going to your [TS]

01:20:04   happy place [TS]

01:20:05   it's I'm not really i'm not really i [TS]

01:20:07   remember i actually brought back too [TS]

01:20:09   many memories of going shopping with my [TS]

01:20:10   mom to the mall and and she would drag [TS]

01:20:13   me around shopping and I would say I you [TS]

01:20:15   there's a bench here i'm going to just [TS]

01:20:17   sit here and stare just yes because I'd [TS]

01:20:19   rather do that [TS]

01:20:20   yeah yeah it's funny you mention that [TS]

01:20:23   because i actually was mostly thinking [TS]

01:20:24   about my mom once when i started writing [TS]

01:20:27   that [TS]

01:20:29   because i have the same thing I was [TS]

01:20:31   always being dragged around and my wife [TS]

01:20:32   has never once dragged me around the [TS]

01:20:35   mall and made me hold her purse she [TS]

01:20:36   knows better than that [TS]

01:20:37   and the only reason I got away with [TS]

01:20:39   actually writing and releasing that song [TS]

01:20:42   is because she she knows that she has [TS]

01:20:45   never made me do that couldn't couldn't [TS]

01:20:47   possibly be about her but with your mom [TS]

01:20:49   you're powerless but I pray you cannot [TS]

01:20:52   sorry Superman yeah well no I'm not yeah [TS]

01:20:54   well exactly but you can't exactly say [TS]

01:20:56   especially if you're a kid and you can't [TS]

01:20:58   even drive and you're you know you'd go [TS]

01:21:00   to the mall and it's like okay you're [TS]

01:21:02   gonna my multi-tool live downtown with [TS]

01:21:03   the mall so we were like an hour's drive [TS]

01:21:05   from also I nobody i knew was there i [TS]

01:21:08   would literally just there's a fountain [TS]

01:21:10   with a bench [TS]

01:21:11   I'm gonna go sit over there yeah and [TS]

01:21:14   hopefully i went to the bookstore before [TS]

01:21:16   we got to the department store so I can [TS]

01:21:18   have a book with me too and you you [TS]

01:21:20   often find a number of other shopping [TS]

01:21:22   orphans you know you see other people [TS]

01:21:24   and even that you see husband sitting in [TS]

01:21:26   benches and in women's clothing stores [TS]

01:21:28   it's always the saddest thing in the [TS]

01:21:30   world could you know you know exactly [TS]

01:21:32   what they're going through my wife is a [TS]

01:21:33   knitter and the Knitting stories have [TS]

01:21:35   got this down they have they have soft [TS]

01:21:38   chairs and magazines it's like a waiting [TS]

01:21:41   room 444 husbands and children because [TS]

01:21:45   they know that that's exactly what [TS]

01:21:46   happens and and so we were just on [TS]

01:21:49   vacation and my wife likes to go to yarn [TS]

01:21:51   stores when she's on vacation and [TS]

01:21:53   they're always the good yarn shops have [TS]

01:21:55   appt little place for the husband's to [TS]

01:21:57   go said your wife and my wife should [TS]

01:21:59   maybe get together and do some knitting [TS]

01:22:01   knitting my wife is also also a nigger [TS]

01:22:04   and a yarn shopper I I don't mind I [TS]

01:22:06   thought I find the yarn shops very [TS]

01:22:08   pleasant there's just not really [TS]

01:22:09   anything for me to do because I its yarn [TS]

01:22:12   I'm not that excited about the yarn but [TS]

01:22:14   they can do anything with you [TS]

01:22:16   they should have when they when they [TS]

01:22:17   make it yet they should have a yarn [TS]

01:22:19   store that also has a bar in a ferment [TS]

01:22:20   and that's it that's going to some a lot [TS]

01:22:22   of them have tea which is not bad but [TS]

01:22:24   the yarn the urine bar is a great idea i [TS]

01:22:26   was thinking either yarn or they should [TS]

01:22:28   comment like have a combination like [TS]

01:22:29   yarn and I'm not like comic book store [TS]

01:22:32   or something just like completely just [TS]

01:22:34   together with one of those little doors [TS]

01:22:37   between them connecting doors [TS]

01:22:39   yeah you could do a lot worse yeah yeah [TS]

01:22:41   I do [TS]

01:22:42   for that alright so alone at home and [TS]

01:22:45   and and the president surprises this is [TS]

01:22:48   surprising the other ones the other ones [TS]

01:22:49   definitely feel like you know ones that [TS]

01:22:52   i would clear included on a list of the [TS]

01:22:54   most most beloved by me and my fans [TS]

01:22:58   yeah but there's this dude is to feel [TS]

01:22:59   like slightly like outliers to me but [TS]

01:23:01   there were gasps when the president was [TS]

01:23:04   brought up in the podcast i will say [TS]

01:23:05   that i know i'm shocked but it's great [TS]

01:23:10   having everybody I not not to be funding [TS]

01:23:13   suck-up interview guy but everybody did [TS]

01:23:15   say that one of the things I really like [TS]

01:23:16   about your music is that there's a it [TS]

01:23:18   could very easily be really really nasty [TS]

01:23:21   and cynical and it's not that there's a [TS]

01:23:23   real a real genuine heart at the at the [TS]

01:23:25   center of things and a a song like you [TS]

01:23:29   ruined everything could very easily be [TS]

01:23:32   pointed a little bit off-kilter and [TS]

01:23:35   instead [TS]

01:23:35   despite you know the subject matter it's [TS]

01:23:37   very clearly a loving story of life [TS]

01:23:40   rumination which we all which all [TS]

01:23:42   parents have gone through write some [TS]

01:23:44   yeah yeah and I bet it's nice that you [TS]

01:23:47   know my my favorite thing is when people [TS]

01:23:49   appreciate that aspect of what I do [TS]

01:23:52   because it's you know I tried to write [TS]

01:23:54   you know it's very hard to write a love [TS]

01:23:57   song in general and for me the only way [TS]

01:23:59   i can write a love song is to write a [TS]

01:24:00   love song that is as complicated as [TS]

01:24:04   actual love is which is to say that it's [TS]

01:24:08   never it's never just it's never as [TS]

01:24:10   sunny and bright as as most songs would [TS]

01:24:13   have you believe it's always it's always [TS]

01:24:15   kind of twisted and sad but i love the [TS]

01:24:18   rough the rough edges or give it the [TS]

01:24:20   definition right exactly something like [TS]

01:24:22   that yeah well I one last question and [TS]

01:24:25   then i'll let you go and thank you again [TS]

01:24:26   so much for doing this and that that is [TS]

01:24:28   a personal question and you probably [TS]

01:24:29   don't have an answer but I have debated [TS]

01:24:32   with myself literally every time I [TS]

01:24:34   listen to today with your wife i change [TS]

01:24:37   my opinion about what it's about and [TS]

01:24:39   perhaps it's just intentionally I feel [TS]

01:24:41   like you'll be asking you to spoil it [TS]

01:24:43   now even if there is a defensive end I [TS]

01:24:44   like to believe that it's a very sad [TS]

01:24:46   song about somebody who who died but [TS]

01:24:50   then then I listen to it again I think [TS]

01:24:51   we only it doesn't you know he might not [TS]

01:24:53   be dead he could be gone [TS]

01:24:55   or just a on inattentive or he you know [TS]

01:24:59   he he went out and never came back [TS]

01:25:02   but for whatever reason I think I wanted [TS]

01:25:04   to be just a super sad sweepy song about [TS]

01:25:07   the tragic aftermath of the of the [TS]

01:25:09   father of these kids in this husband of [TS]

01:25:11   this wife dying [TS]

01:25:13   yeah do you have a specific meaning or [TS]

01:25:14   is it really good [TS]

01:25:16   however you interpret it uh you know I I [TS]

01:25:19   think I geez it's complicated [TS]

01:25:24   you know I when I when I wrote that one [TS]

01:25:26   I was thinking about what i think is my [TS]

01:25:32   favorite song in the world which is a [TS]

01:25:34   song called famous blue raincoat by [TS]

01:25:36   letter telling which describes a love [TS]

01:25:40   triangle it's actually a letter [TS]

01:25:42   it's a letter read aloud and those are [TS]

01:25:46   the lyrics of the song and it's a [TS]

01:25:47   sensitive person writing to somebody who [TS]

01:25:49   has wronged him [TS]

01:25:50   there's some sort of love triangle its [TS]

01:25:52   never fully explained what happened [TS]

01:25:55   things are alluded to but he the person [TS]

01:25:58   is writing to he he clearly loved and [TS]

01:26:02   also hated and it's it's just a [TS]

01:26:06   beautiful piece of storytelling and so [TS]

01:26:08   when I the colonel for the idea of this [TS]

01:26:12   song was that i actually was out [TS]

01:26:15   somewhere and it was raining and i [TS]

01:26:18   stopped under an awning and there was a [TS]

01:26:21   friend's wife with her kids and I'm [TS]

01:26:27   she's also my friend and we chatted for [TS]

01:26:31   a little while and then the rain let up [TS]

01:26:32   and we went home and I was thinking as I [TS]

01:26:36   was leaving I was thinking about how the [TS]

01:26:38   next time I saw my friend i would say in [TS]

01:26:42   that joking leering way you know ahead [TS]

01:26:45   of had a fantastic time with your wife [TS]

01:26:47   this afternoon and then as I was as I [TS]

01:26:50   was imagining myself saying that to him [TS]

01:26:53   it occurred to me that in my circle of [TS]

01:26:57   friends which includes a few people who [TS]

01:27:00   have had their relationships and [TS]

01:27:02   marriages splinter apart in recent years [TS]

01:27:05   that's not really a funny joke anymore [TS]

01:27:08   and so then you know that was that was [TS]

01:27:13   the beginning of be writing that song [TS]

01:27:14   was using that using that line as a way [TS]

01:27:16   of pivoting into this area of incredible [TS]

01:27:19   sadness and the complications of adult [TS]

01:27:22   relationships but I also as I was [TS]

01:27:24   writing it was thinking a lot about the [TS]

01:27:26   Leonard Cohen song and wanting to keep [TS]

01:27:28   it I i noticed that there was the that [TS]

01:27:31   sort of that unclear subject was there [TS]

01:27:37   from the beginning and I wanted to keep [TS]

01:27:39   it as ambiguous as possible and as [TS]

01:27:42   secret and mysterious as possible in the [TS]

01:27:44   same with the Leonard Cohen song is you [TS]

01:27:46   your overhearing somebody taught they're [TS]

01:27:48   not talking to you at all you just [TS]

01:27:50   happen to be eavesdropping on something [TS]

01:27:53   and so i wanted i wanted to have that [TS]

01:27:55   that feel well I'd well don't answer is [TS]

01:27:58   I don't know I don't know what it's [TS]

01:27:59   truly about because I wrote I wrote [TS]

01:28:02   around it but I do know that it's [TS]

01:28:04   incredibly sad [TS]

01:28:05   yes oh yeah definitely I think that's [TS]

01:28:07   why I wanted to be about somebody who's [TS]

01:28:08   died because if it's not then it's [TS]

01:28:11   really sad for tuesday really sad if [TS]

01:28:14   they if they're all still out there and [TS]

01:28:16   then these lines yeah going on like this [TS]

01:28:18   but yeah well well well done it is [TS]

01:28:20   definitely i love that I mean I i want [TS]

01:28:23   to watch a movie if I if I just sort of [TS]

01:28:25   nod and say that was fun I leave and I [TS]

01:28:27   never think about it again I'd almost [TS]

01:28:29   rather have a movie that I end up [TS]

01:28:31   thinking about for a week and deciding I [TS]

01:28:33   didn't like like Inception i ended up [TS]

01:28:35   thinking about for a weekend in the end [TS]

01:28:37   I was like you know I don't think I [TS]

01:28:38   liked it but i'm so happy that i saw it [TS]

01:28:40   because I thought about it and it's sort [TS]

01:28:41   of you have a song like that where every [TS]

01:28:43   time I listen I think well now I know it [TS]

01:28:47   sounds different and it's the same track [TS]

01:28:49   over and over but it yet it it yeah [TS]

01:28:52   there's a different meeting every time I [TS]

01:28:53   listen [TS]

01:28:53   so that was definitely my experience [TS]

01:28:54   with that with that Leonard Cohen song [TS]

01:28:56   is for years i have i have listened to [TS]

01:28:58   that song and thought about it when I [TS]

01:29:00   wasn't listening to it and try to [TS]

01:29:02   unravel the story and I you know I i [TS]

01:29:05   have built up in my head all this [TS]

01:29:07   complicated backstory about what went on [TS]

01:29:08   based on that song and i think that's [TS]

01:29:10   that's that's an amazing thing for song [TS]

01:29:12   to do so [TS]

01:29:13   yeah that's it thank you that's nice of [TS]

01:29:15   you that's great that's great i love to [TS]

01:29:17   listen to it and ponder so yeah well [TS]

01:29:19   thank you so much for doing this i [TS]

01:29:20   really appreciate you [TS]

01:29:21   taking some time to be on our random [TS]

01:29:23   podcast and not have to listen to an [TS]

01:29:26   hour of people talking about you could [TS]

01:29:29   be awkward [TS]

01:29:30   well as I said very appreciative of the [TS]

01:29:32   of your attention is very very kind of [TS]

01:29:35   you thank you again you very well it's [TS]

01:29:37   just all right don't get by [TS]