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00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 103 [TS]

00:00:11   artists 20 well the incomparable is [TS]

00:00:15   sponsored by moresome [TS]

00:00:18   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:20   this is jason Snell and i'm joined today [TS]

00:00:22   by v2 stalwart members of our comfort [TS]

00:00:25   Club we haven't met in a little while [TS]

00:00:26   but we managed to get us all back [TS]

00:00:28   together in the same room believe it or [TS]

00:00:30   not [TS]

00:00:31   Lisa Schmeisser joins us hi Lisa like [TS]

00:00:34   you to be back you know you're you're on [TS]

00:00:35   lots of incomparable these days but the [TS]

00:00:37   comic book club has been has been scarce [TS]

00:00:39   for a little bit [TS]

00:00:40   it has been busy yeah sure sure we've [TS]

00:00:43   been busy all of my comments are in [TS]

00:00:44   storage right now [TS]

00:00:46   yeah yeah that's right that's right [TS]

00:00:48   don't read anything and also jason [TS]

00:00:50   reitman is here it is fantastic to be [TS]

00:00:52   back [TS]

00:00:53   it is great to have you here and this is [TS]

00:00:54   where in our temporary podcasts to do [TS]

00:00:56   here but it should it should work out [TS]

00:01:00   just fine [TS]

00:01:00   so when we set up this the this [TS]

00:01:04   conversation we were talking about it [TS]

00:01:07   like the Avengers just come out which [TS]

00:01:09   brought up the the question of teams [TS]

00:01:11   super teams in general it which i think [TS]

00:01:14   is a good question because i was [TS]

00:01:17   watching The Avengers and I enjoy the [TS]

00:01:18   adventure some people didn't but I i [TS]

00:01:20   enjoyed it and I but there is a some [TS]

00:01:23   there's a level of kind of silliness of [TS]

00:01:25   you know one superhero was kind of silly [TS]

00:01:28   but like eight different superheroes [TS]

00:01:30   with different powers is really a can be [TS]

00:01:35   really ridiculous it's hard to suspend [TS]

00:01:37   disbelief with one you do a whole caste [TS]

00:01:39   of them and then it just yeah you're [TS]

00:01:40   right totally ridiculous one of my [TS]

00:01:42   favorite series in the nineties with [TS]

00:01:43   storm watch and they do an alternate [TS]

00:01:46   worlds storyline towards the end of the [TS]

00:01:49   original run what we're in this [TS]

00:01:51   alternate world it turns out that i hope [TS]

00:01:52   that there's 24 of them working in [TS]

00:01:54   concert and the superheroes for watching [TS]

00:01:57   this were like you can't have that many [TS]

00:01:59   superheroes in one room unless they are [TS]

00:02:01   all on really heavy medication because [TS]

00:02:03   the nature of being superheroes you have [TS]

00:02:07   these powers [TS]

00:02:07   you're also socially maladaptive if [TS]

00:02:09   there's one of you that's fine if [TS]

00:02:10   there's two of you [TS]

00:02:12   there's going to be a brawl if there's [TS]

00:02:13   24 of you entire cities get leveled and [TS]

00:02:16   that's always been my thing about [TS]

00:02:17   superhero teams is what impetus to any [TS]

00:02:21   of these people have to get along with [TS]

00:02:22   anybody else [TS]

00:02:23   well and isn't the the super-powered [TS]

00:02:26   pretty this crazy creation of a [TS]

00:02:28   super-powered humans somebody bigger [TS]

00:02:30   than humanity [TS]

00:02:31   is most interesting when it's put in [TS]

00:02:34   opposition to humanity and and it you [TS]

00:02:36   know and then you've got them surrounded [TS]

00:02:37   by other people who are similarly or [TS]

00:02:39   differently super and that's a whole [TS]

00:02:42   different dynamic it's not to say that [TS]

00:02:43   it can't work but it's a really [TS]

00:02:45   different approach than saying you know [TS]

00:02:47   this is about Peter Parker and he's a [TS]

00:02:49   kid who has powers and everybody else [TS]

00:02:51   doesn't have powers and doesn't know [TS]

00:02:52   he's got powers and how does he deal [TS]

00:02:54   with it that I I you know that's pretty [TS]

00:02:56   straightforward compared to these are [TS]

00:02:59   even which is this lady even with the [TS]

00:03:00   Fantastic Four there's sort of a family [TS]

00:03:02   kind of because because reading soon and [TS]

00:03:05   and then Johnny and then it breeds [TS]

00:03:08   childhood friend been right but end the [TS]

00:03:10   incredibles obviously as a family [TS]

00:03:12   dynamic and very fantastic for like to [TS]

00:03:14   but these kind of you know it's free you [TS]

00:03:17   know just a random assortment Justice [TS]

00:03:19   League Avengers they're just gonna [TS]

00:03:21   smoosh together it's the idea and you [TS]

00:03:22   would see this the Avengers every now [TS]

00:03:24   and then where they're just all kind of [TS]

00:03:26   sitting around a living room or around a [TS]

00:03:28   conference table in their costumes [TS]

00:03:31   yeah chatting like it's a good cup of [TS]

00:03:34   coffee right it's kind of hard commerce [TS]

00:03:36   exist guys let's just get jeans and [TS]

00:03:38   t-shirts a right it's the workplace uh [TS]

00:03:40   it's a workplace to come except it's a [TS]

00:03:42   it's a drama and it's maybe and it's [TS]

00:03:45   super well if it isn't adventures it [TS]

00:03:47   pretty much is a workplace that job [TS]

00:03:49   because these guys don't do this [TS]

00:03:50   recreationally there at their own shield [TS]

00:03:52   payroll or some of them are anyway Tom [TS]

00:03:55   wherein twenty stark funded the Avengers [TS]

00:03:57   for a long time to keep them on a [TS]

00:03:59   payroll [TS]

00:03:59   yeah I can't keep the entire story [TS]

00:04:01   straight because Marvel who does so many [TS]

00:04:04   switchbacks and so on and so forth but [TS]

00:04:05   yet some point Tony's there on Tony [TS]

00:04:07   Stark's payroll they all live in that [TS]

00:04:09   that our together and they work together [TS]

00:04:10   which sounds like my idea of hell and it [TS]

00:04:13   isn't that weird but they have their own [TS]

00:04:14   worlds to me not the other thing is some [TS]

00:04:16   some of them [TS]

00:04:17   Hawkeye doesn't alright we just wish for [TS]

00:04:19   Marvel DC but they're all you know so [TS]

00:04:24   excited talking about how the actual the [TS]

00:04:25   concept doesn't work but could it [TS]

00:04:28   are there examples where he does work [TS]

00:04:31   well i think the fit and that's a great [TS]

00:04:32   question usually host of this episode [TS]

00:04:34   the authority interesting i was going to [TS]

00:04:37   say that the the family examples that I [TS]

00:04:38   gave our sort of my attempt like it's a [TS]

00:04:40   family not a team if you can connect [TS]

00:04:42   them in a you know well team [TS]

00:04:44   team it's like not enough what is the [TS]

00:04:46   bond that connects them and is it is it [TS]

00:04:49   a shared of you know the problem with [TS]

00:04:51   these teams i can get understand them [TS]

00:04:52   banding together to fight a menace [TS]

00:04:54   that's a cosmic big-scale Menace but the [TS]

00:04:57   sort of like we're an ongoing kind of [TS]

00:04:59   people and there's all kinds of [TS]

00:05:00   circumstance for example if you look at [TS]

00:05:02   the runaways who basically become a de [TS]

00:05:04   facto teenaged super power to ya the [TS]

00:05:08   response of circumstances though [TS]

00:05:09   circumstances our parents are evil and [TS]

00:05:11   trying to sell the world to two giant [TS]

00:05:13   space demons from another dimension if [TS]

00:05:15   Joss Whedon truly is can go to consult [TS]

00:05:17   on a live-action Marvel based TV show [TS]

00:05:19   for ABC he would have been really lovely [TS]

00:05:22   little runaway would be the runaways [TS]

00:05:23   that so so you have you have teams of [TS]

00:05:25   circumstance like The Runaways and that [TS]

00:05:27   seems to work out it's working out for [TS]

00:05:29   them well enough because you can still [TS]

00:05:31   have a lot of interesting things happen [TS]

00:05:32   by virtue of the fact they're teenagers [TS]

00:05:33   you have teams that are based on [TS]

00:05:35   ideology like the authority because the [TS]

00:05:38   thing that the five of them all have in [TS]

00:05:40   common is we have superpowers and we [TS]

00:05:42   have no problem using them to fix the [TS]

00:05:44   world as we see fit and that's that's [TS]

00:05:46   pretty much that the unifying principle [TS]

00:05:48   that all five of them have going forth [TS]

00:05:50   and then you have teams that are brought [TS]

00:05:52   together through self interest for [TS]

00:05:54   example i'm thinking of delsym own [TS]

00:05:55   secret six where they're all they're all [TS]

00:05:58   anti-heroes or or even really really [TS]

00:06:00   mediocre villains and in the the origin [TS]

00:06:04   story they get flung together by [TS]

00:06:05   somebody who turns out to be Lex Luthor [TS]

00:06:07   and uh huh [TS]

00:06:09   they were like please feel free to work [TS]

00:06:10   together or feel free to lose your life [TS]

00:06:12   and all of them said you make a good [TS]

00:06:15   point and they began working together on [TS]

00:06:17   the thing that doesn't hold it for me is [TS]

00:06:20   something [TS]

00:06:21   well and this happens over and over in [TS]

00:06:22   the Marvel verse is we live together we [TS]

00:06:24   work together we hang out with each [TS]

00:06:26   other constantly and I wonder if it's [TS]

00:06:29   designed to appeal to teenagers things [TS]

00:06:31   like the x-men or boat ride over in [TS]

00:06:33   every school right there is I wanted my [TS]

00:06:35   students always felt more like that than [TS]

00:06:37   the experiment was a success for these [TS]

00:06:38   are the original x-men I wonder if it's [TS]

00:06:40   designed to explicitly to appeal to [TS]

00:06:42   people whose whose entire social and [TS]

00:06:45   vocational lives revolve around school [TS]

00:06:46   at the moment where you know when your [TS]

00:06:48   teenager your world is actually pretty [TS]

00:06:49   circumscribed by family and by school so [TS]

00:06:51   are you are using resting comics are [TS]

00:06:54   kind of geared towards under overweight [TS]

00:06:56   teenage boys [TS]

00:06:58   never thought of it that way interesting [TS]

00:07:02   the great dichotomy between the comics [TS]

00:07:04   that are targeted overweight boys vs [TS]

00:07:07   underway boys the skin I somebody walks [TS]

00:07:10   into like get skinny comics to the left [TS]

00:07:11   that that comics to the right [TS]

00:07:14   what would be a bad comic friendship [TS]

00:07:16   army America's I'm thinking spiderman [TS]

00:07:21   spiderman fellow a common economic who [TS]

00:07:24   what [TS]

00:07:24   what's a what's a skinny guy starts out [TS]

00:07:27   as a skinny he does but he's still the [TS]

00:07:30   in your way to the kid that everybody [TS]

00:07:32   picks on is put down which happens more [TS]

00:07:33   for the facts and really consider kids [TS]

00:07:35   so what's the skinny person skinny kid [TS]

00:07:37   comic Vertigo's entirely kinda thinking [TS]

00:07:41   ya sad to think that we were associated [TS]

00:07:45   with golf which again not entirely in [TS]

00:07:47   and out here while the subject is [TS]

00:07:49   horrible crippling stereotypes that [TS]

00:07:51   childhood trauma rounds no but I I think [TS]

00:07:57   I mean what we seem to be sort of [TS]

00:07:58   talking about is teams maybe make more [TS]

00:08:02   sense when there is this underlying [TS]

00:08:03   principle that gives you really have to [TS]

00:08:05   have a reason for them that this [TS]

00:08:07   connective tissue this this this bond [TS]

00:08:10   that that makes them make more sense and [TS]

00:08:13   and if it is just I mean that that's [TS]

00:08:15   that's the issue with like justice [TS]

00:08:16   league in the Avengers where I've been [TS]

00:08:18   yeah it's like we're here to defend the [TS]

00:08:19   planet but it's not quite the same as [TS]

00:08:21   something like the authority that we're [TS]

00:08:24   here to fix the planet as we see fit or [TS]

00:08:26   the Exile cementing treatments you know [TS]

00:08:28   the Exiles which I which I really liked [TS]

00:08:30   which was a you know x-men from [TS]

00:08:33   alternate universes banding together [TS]

00:08:34   which they now serve Doug great pockets [TS]

00:08:36   redoing that now essentially as extreme [TS]

00:08:38   x-men but it's really the Exiles its [TS]

00:08:40   alternate versions of them and they're [TS]

00:08:42   sent out of their own reality so they're [TS]

00:08:44   lost and they kind of have to band [TS]

00:08:45   together to try to you know commit [TS]

00:08:48   various horrible crimes and do these [TS]

00:08:50   other missions in order to get back home [TS]

00:08:52   theoretically sometimes that's like lost [TS]

00:08:54   the TV serial it a little bit like that [TS]

00:08:56   but again they have a reason well it [TS]

00:08:57   turns out there's a plot twist about 50 [TS]

00:08:59   issues in which i'm not gonna heavily [TS]

00:09:00   spoil out that they say it reminds me [TS]

00:09:02   here okay spoiler yeah [TS]

00:09:07   miles away would you like wildlife video [TS]

00:09:10   podcast this place you can still faces [TS]

00:09:12   we make that spoiler spoiler back but [TS]

00:09:15   the Exiles it ends up being actually a [TS]

00:09:17   little bit more like the authority and [TS]

00:09:20   storm watch where it turns out that [TS]

00:09:21   there there is a backstory to who is [TS]

00:09:24   sending them from reality the reality [TS]

00:09:25   and there's like a head office for the [TS]

00:09:28   the time brokers reality things but [TS]

00:09:30   leave again there's an underlying [TS]

00:09:32   principle there they have to be together [TS]

00:09:34   for some reason not just because they're [TS]

00:09:35   powerful and what was used to fight one [TS]

00:09:38   of the most interesting Marvel team-up [TS]

00:09:39   so that I consistently enjoy is x factor [TS]

00:09:42   which centers around magic Matt Jamie [TS]

00:09:45   Maddox's ex-factory investigations where [TS]

00:09:47   he's out of the superhero game he just [TS]

00:09:49   wants to solve crimes just a multiple [TS]

00:09:52   man right yeah man yeah he basically [TS]

00:09:54   goes by Jamie written by your computer [TS]

00:09:56   david ben by popular I dropped it after [TS]

00:09:59   the after the nightmare inducing birth [TS]

00:10:01   storyline but but for the first 50 [TS]

00:10:05   issues or so it was basically just a [TS]

00:10:07   bunch of people who [TS]

00:10:08   and to be fair you have the whole their [TS]

00:10:10   co-workers conceit but these guys had [TS]

00:10:12   more latitude to come and go then say [TS]

00:10:14   the x-men seem too and it was mostly [TS]

00:10:16   well i have to learn how to work with [TS]

00:10:18   you [TS]

00:10:18   situation and I like it when the teams [TS]

00:10:21   are living in each other's back pockets [TS]

00:10:23   but rather have pretty clearly defined [TS]

00:10:24   boundaries this is what we do this right [TS]

00:10:26   here this is how I'm going to relate to [TS]

00:10:28   you and I'm going to take a break for [TS]

00:10:30   you that we're done [TS]

00:10:31   huh yeah yeah I just don't understand [TS]

00:10:34   when they all live and work together and [TS]

00:10:37   do so for hundreds upon hundreds of [TS]

00:10:39   issues at a time once you get you get [TS]

00:10:40   your main characters and you're [TS]

00:10:41   supporting characters and so you get [TS]

00:10:42   Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman are [TS]

00:10:44   you you get you know Captain America and [TS]

00:10:46   Iron Man and Wolverine in the end in the [TS]

00:10:48   comics but not in movies because they [TS]

00:10:50   20th century fox won't let that happen [TS]

00:10:52   and spider-man but not the movies [TS]

00:10:54   because columbia pictures won't let that [TS]

00:10:56   happen I would worry from Hugh Jackman's [TS]

00:10:57   health actually if he were to be [TS]

00:10:59   imported into one of the the again on [TS]

00:11:03   huge Ackman Robert Downey jr. Oh what [TS]

00:11:05   would that be like a thousand overviews [TS]

00:11:08   of exploded for happiness so that no one [TS]

00:11:10   like Hugh Jackman's it is not for [TS]

00:11:11   underweight and overweight chris evans [TS]

00:11:13   is like this this 20-something how he [TS]

00:11:15   could benchpress the rest of them I mean [TS]

00:11:16   a few Jackman tries to keep his heart [TS]

00:11:18   could burst [TS]

00:11:19   I mean it's just anyway so this is [TS]

00:11:22   absolutely how does your primaries but [TS]

00:11:24   but the second then you've got your Hawk [TS]

00:11:26   eyes or your Martian Manhunter your [TS]

00:11:29   Hawkman you're going to get the entire [TS]

00:11:30   tell me I I don't know who the beep that [TS]

00:11:33   beep team is you've exposed my complete [TS]

00:11:35   lack of DC knowledge that I don't even [TS]

00:11:36   know what the Justice League be team is [TS]

00:11:38   Adam an ant-man are well yeah when you [TS]

00:11:42   have a second to your players and the [TS]

00:11:43   wasp is on the Avengers and what do you [TS]

00:11:46   know if they're also trying to reshuffle [TS]

00:11:47   things because they keep throwing Black [TS]

00:11:48   Canary into like justice league team [TS]

00:11:50   leadership and and and pushing up to the [TS]

00:11:52   818 and while philosophically I have no [TS]

00:11:55   problem with that [TS]

00:11:56   I feel sort of contrived but yeah you've [TS]

00:12:01   got your you've got your you're a list [TS]

00:12:03   in the DC Universe and then you've got [TS]

00:12:05   the ones who pop in and pop that as [TS]

00:12:06   necessary like Red Tornado and [TS]

00:12:09   definitely a CD player [TS]

00:12:11   oh god I'm you know I'm even blanking on [TS]

00:12:13   the B players at this point because I'm [TS]

00:12:15   Allah Azza town so sometimes they put [TS]

00:12:19   the B players in charge [TS]

00:12:20   yeah which is funny yeah and the [TS]

00:12:22   programs i remember reading The Avengers [TS]

00:12:23   when it was all vision and Scarlet Witch [TS]

00:12:25   we're basically in charge and I was the [TS]

00:12:27   Avengers always coast sure an authorized [TS]

00:12:29   team and the and the the Great Lakes [TS]

00:12:32   adventures of course which is one of [TS]

00:12:33   those so it's interesting that we're [TS]

00:12:36   important where it started and while [TS]

00:12:37   fishing for a hike and guard where we're [TS]

00:12:40   talking about team books right and ryan [TS]

00:12:43   teams and it's interesting when you [TS]

00:12:46   think of television you don't think of [TS]

00:12:47   its a team show on television Colin and [TS]

00:12:50   sambal caps and and is there a [TS]

00:12:52   difference between a team book and what [TS]

00:12:56   happens on television with in samba [TS]

00:12:58   schools i would argue that there is yeah [TS]

00:13:00   yeah and you can have in samples with [TS]

00:13:02   with lead characters with an ensemble [TS]

00:13:04   built around them which is you know I [TS]

00:13:09   see that all the time but it tends to [TS]

00:13:10   not be super e superpower EP people [TS]

00:13:12   around them although i'm going to bring [TS]

00:13:14   up my favorite TV show of all time buffy [TS]

00:13:16   the vampire slayer it turns out that [TS]

00:13:17   many of the in-sample characters did [TS]

00:13:19   have powers but Buffy was at the core of [TS]

00:13:21   it as opposed to I know where you're [TS]

00:13:23   going with this which is top 10 by Alan [TS]

00:13:25   Moore which we're going to talk about [TS]

00:13:27   which is like Hill Street loser and not [TS]

00:13:29   even like NYPD Blue Hill Street Blues [TS]

00:13:31   where there's literally [TS]

00:13:32   sure no lead character now this great [TS]

00:13:35   main character is the police precinct [TS]

00:13:37   and and that's a you know or like that's [TS]

00:13:40   like a hospital show almost like it [TS]

00:13:42   anyway the main character is is the is [TS]

00:13:43   the is the shared is the universe or the [TS]

00:13:46   war the fictitious world because you [TS]

00:13:47   know before this podcast started we're [TS]

00:13:50   trying to get it going everybody was [TS]

00:13:51   talking about the little details that [TS]

00:13:52   build up this fantastic role in top 10 [TS]

00:13:54   and i think the guy i think the world is [TS]

00:13:56   the main character much the same way [TS]

00:13:58   that Baltimore is the main character of [TS]

00:13:59   this of the show the wire [TS]

00:14:01   mm you know everybody else is just kind [TS]

00:14:04   of moving within you know [TS]

00:14:05   yeah no that'sthat's that's it so so [TS]

00:14:07   before we get to alan moore and top 10 [TS]

00:14:11   i'm just wondering are there any other [TS]

00:14:13   any other thoughts we should we should [TS]

00:14:14   talk about the Avengers at least briefly [TS]

00:14:16   in this context like I i enjoyed it [TS]

00:14:20   I I thought it was fun you know I [TS]

00:14:22   thought it was fun and I met and I like [TS]

00:14:24   I enjoyed the interplay because if [TS]

00:14:25   you're going to have ridiculously [TS]

00:14:27   powered people all bumping into each [TS]

00:14:29   other you know you've got to have them [TS]

00:14:31   fight based on a misunderstanding [TS]

00:14:32   because that has to happen but but you [TS]

00:14:34   you've got to have this giant outside [TS]

00:14:35   personalities and powers bang off each [TS]

00:14:37   other and I you know and that was for me [TS]

00:14:40   that was what was fun about it is that [TS]

00:14:41   that it didn't take it seriously and i [TS]

00:14:44   read that they're gonna do you no [TS]

00:14:46   justice league movie from DC and it's [TS]

00:14:48   going to be sort of got responsibilities [TS]

00:14:50   the same sensibility of christopher [TS]

00:14:52   nolan kind of stuff and I just think how [TS]

00:14:54   can you it's just I can't even imagine i [TS]

00:14:56   think it needs to be ridiculous and oh [TS]

00:14:58   and it's and that's why i like you good [TS]

00:14:59   man how can you have us [TS]

00:15:01   christopher nolan style movie with [TS]

00:15:02   automatic a lebaron yet haven't like [TS]

00:15:05   sitting in a murky tank or a ball in the [TS]

00:15:07   air pneus to see Chris Nolan and stuff [TS]

00:15:09   people for a long time that you can only [TS]

00:15:12   do a campy Batman trail you know so they [TS]

00:15:14   all schumacher actually was as part of [TS]

00:15:16   the slide to it not but he was part of [TS]

00:15:18   the slide towards a darker more complex [TS]

00:15:20   back then because first they did [TS]

00:15:21   aesthetically and then they did it [TS]

00:15:22   automatically I after his Batman I vowed [TS]

00:15:25   never to see joel schumacher film ever [TS]

00:15:28   and i'm happy to say I've never gotten [TS]

00:15:30   most of Hollywood feels the same yeah so [TS]

00:15:33   the avengers movie i was pleasantly [TS]

00:15:35   surprised and it was and it was those [TS]

00:15:37   kind of playful moments of Tony Stark [TS]

00:15:40   kind of [TS]

00:15:41   poking bruce banner and and yes but [TS]

00:15:43   that's clearly the best thing in the [TS]

00:15:45   movies yeah it's the Tony Stark Bruce [TS]

00:15:46   Banner relationships forwards there and [TS]

00:15:48   he's a pain and Captain America is very [TS]

00:15:50   square-jawed and yet has a sense of [TS]

00:15:52   humor and kind of first Tony's bubble of [TS]

00:15:54   baseball cards [TS]

00:15:55   yeah and videos i thought it was a [TS]

00:15:57   better movie then then it should take it [TS]

00:16:01   should have been yeah like it was a [TS]

00:16:03   really worked well when you hire a lot [TS]

00:16:05   of oscar nominees to run around in [TS]

00:16:07   tights [TS]

00:16:08   I thought twice and the first time I saw [TS]

00:16:10   it's not an opening weekend with my [TS]

00:16:11   brother and all of his pals who actually [TS]

00:16:13   work in and around the comic industry [TS]

00:16:15   and it was a very fannish experiencing [TS]

00:16:18   people laughing and applauding and and [TS]

00:16:20   although there was some tool who kept [TS]

00:16:22   screaming towards and you can't leave [TS]

00:16:23   yet there's a second-stringer see [TS]

00:16:25   there's a second thing which all right [TS]

00:16:28   shut up [TS]

00:16:29   it was you know that are being helpful [TS]

00:16:32   so you know I enjoy and I enjoyed the [TS]

00:16:34   communal experience and and really got [TS]

00:16:36   into the movie and was relieved that it [TS]

00:16:37   was actually good or relieved that it [TS]

00:16:39   was actually enjoyable because it could [TS]

00:16:40   have been so bad it could been like a [TS]

00:16:42   fantastic four level bad and who ya bad [TS]

00:16:45   we dodged a bullet right so then i read [TS]

00:16:48   about the movie and I dragged my husband [TS]

00:16:49   to see it [TS]

00:16:50   my husband who likes neither superhero [TS]

00:16:52   films nor joss whedon yeah and we get [TS]

00:16:58   out of that and feels like it's not [TS]

00:17:01   fight disliked it per se at home oh man [TS]

00:17:04   and we actually then spent dinner [TS]

00:17:06   talking about what he correctly pointed [TS]

00:17:09   out he thought were some of the weak [TS]

00:17:10   parts of the films such as well with it [TS]

00:17:11   totally everybody sounds like because [TS]

00:17:13   everybody sounds so much like a joss [TS]

00:17:15   whedon character you've got you know [TS]

00:17:17   you've got a billionaire who has [TS]

00:17:19   basically the same sort of snappy patter [TS]

00:17:21   as a loaner who's been living in [TS]

00:17:24   Calcutta top as a off-the-grid doctor as [TS]

00:17:28   somebody who was raised in the redwood [TS]

00:17:29   room in Russia as Captain America so [TS]

00:17:33   you've got these people from five [TS]

00:17:34   different periods of time and [TS]

00:17:35   backgrounds who all sound alike and you [TS]

00:17:37   know that's that's kind of a joss whedon [TS]

00:17:38   tick it is that said having again having [TS]

00:17:42   seen it twice better than it had the [TS]

00:17:44   right to be an enjoyable experience and [TS]

00:17:47   oh thank god [TS]

00:17:49   yeah yeah I know and and their arguments [TS]

00:17:51   every night I had this argument with an [TS]

00:17:52   do not go on on this podcast then that [TS]

00:17:55   uh you know the expectation shouldn't [TS]

00:17:57   factor into it but i think on one level [TS]

00:17:58   on one level it does because if you go [TS]

00:18:01   in with to someplace with a little [TS]

00:18:02   expectation and you end up with a high [TS]

00:18:03   expectation that affects your judgment [TS]

00:18:06   but also i just think about it just on a [TS]

00:18:09   very basic level of could an avengers [TS]

00:18:11   movie ever be anything but a train wreck [TS]

00:18:13   and it I would not put the flashes very [TS]

00:18:16   high fever was such a disappointment [TS]

00:18:18   evil because even with kenneth branagh [TS]

00:18:20   directing it and you've had a fairly [TS]

00:18:22   solid cast it was still really [TS]

00:18:23   disappointing very inert movie and I [TS]

00:18:25   thought you know we could end up with [TS]

00:18:27   something just as in her where it sits [TS]

00:18:29   there is a mission and they all come [TS]

00:18:30   together blood and said it was just kind [TS]

00:18:33   of the Zippy here's how the team gets [TS]

00:18:34   together and oh by the way Hawkeye [TS]

00:18:36   spends most of the movie working against [TS]

00:18:38   them and it was very joss whedon yeah [TS]

00:18:40   like they didn't I think it only worked [TS]

00:18:42   because he knows how do i want the good [TS]

00:18:44   and bad it was very just I think given [TS]

00:18:46   given all the Givens their of what he [TS]

00:18:49   had to do because of how they'd set it [TS]

00:18:50   up in fact that he sort of inserted his [TS]

00:18:53   own voice in me and that he was coming [TS]

00:18:56   saving it [TS]

00:18:56   yeah I think he did which is great [TS]

00:18:58   because usually mark ruffalo is the MVP [TS]

00:19:00   of that movie over and over laughs yeah [TS]

00:19:02   they finally got it right with the Hulk [TS]

00:19:04   well I think it's your expert third [TS]

00:19:06   third third try anything since your [TS]

00:19:08   expectations because the hooks movies [TS]

00:19:09   were so bad [TS]

00:19:11   oh and both in their different ways i [TS]

00:19:14   don't think i've ever seen the edward [TS]

00:19:15   norton one I would it's bad in the way [TS]

00:19:18   the the Superman remake movie was bad oh [TS]

00:19:21   well it's a little bit to try to pay [TS]

00:19:24   homage Jim the TV show do did it they [TS]

00:19:28   use the music and everything or did you [TS]

00:19:29   don't know [TS]

00:19:30   yeah i got so one more thing that it [TS]

00:19:35   didn't occur to me till just now the [TS]

00:19:37   x-men first class [TS]

00:19:39   oh yeah did a really good kind of team [TS]

00:19:42   movie that didn't use the kind of humor [TS]

00:19:45   joss whedon pitter-patter and still [TS]

00:19:48   pulled it off [TS]

00:19:49   they also had a stellar cast x january [TS]

00:19:52   jones though because she was not see you [TS]

00:19:54   see I have to put a disclaimer but you [TS]

00:19:56   know when you've got Jennifer Lawrence [TS]

00:19:57   and it was grains mcavoy and Michael [TS]

00:20:01   Fassbender it took not remember his name [TS]

00:20:03   like you know the guy who's naked a lot [TS]

00:20:04   Michael hydroxyl in the on-screen I need [TS]

00:20:08   magneto yeah but she's still pretty [TS]

00:20:11   oh yeah sure sure she is but that was [TS]

00:20:14   just do that he had to sound like a [TS]

00:20:15   madman frost that was a question as to [TS]

00:20:18   who is hollywood today would make a [TS]

00:20:19   really good at my frost because i have [TS]

00:20:21   been banging my brains out [TS]

00:20:22   transportation sound it's not a [TS]

00:20:23   conversation with Lisa without some [TS]

00:20:25   fantasy movie casting I missed my [TS]

00:20:28   calling is why we should do a fantasy [TS]

00:20:30   movie casting episode so yeah because [TS]

00:20:31   you would just own it [TS]

00:20:33   who would be an emma frost I don't know [TS]

00:20:34   yeah I have no idea somebody well maybe [TS]

00:20:36   the answer is there isn't anybody in [TS]

00:20:38   january jones was the best they could [TS]

00:20:39   get but we'll see if you have kind of an [TS]

00:20:41   adulterer on the nineteen nineties you [TS]

00:20:42   probably had it but this one [TS]

00:20:44   no you need somebody who's kind of icy [TS]

00:20:47   and yet I want unexpected streak of of [TS]

00:20:49   principle and i think i've been seeing [TS]

00:20:51   how much money starts pepper potts now [TS]

00:20:53   that's the thing yeah I think I hire a [TS]

00:20:55   model like an English is there any if [TS]

00:20:58   there's like an English supermodel or [TS]

00:20:59   European supermodel who learned English [TS]

00:21:01   in England has an English accent yeah [TS]

00:21:03   that's what I want doesn't matter all [TS]

00:21:04   right so he's different [TS]

00:21:05   normal yeah yes and and she wouldn't act [TS]

00:21:09   really any worse than changing her Jones [TS]

00:21:10   could sorry [TS]

00:21:11   even if she's completed a Rhodes little [TS]

00:21:13   too soft oh we've got a good in the [TS]

00:21:16   chatroom Calla Bella suggest tricia [TS]

00:21:18   helfer oh that's not bad [TS]

00:21:20   six from battlestar galactica con but [TS]

00:21:22   yeah but that's that's that's more in [TS]

00:21:24   line [TS]

00:21:24   yeah that's more more down the room all [TS]

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00:24:35   the daddy top 10 top 10 by Alan Moore [TS]

00:24:39   engine huh [TS]

00:24:40   and-and-and candor and this letter my [TS]

00:24:43   Tatiana and dander cannon sorry let us [TS]

00:24:46   not let's top clients of lettering and [TS]

00:24:48   he does a really good job [TS]

00:24:49   alright and I mention that because he's [TS]

00:24:50   doing lettering for fables now too and [TS]

00:24:52   that's another one that requires a lot [TS]

00:24:53   of different stuff so top-10 started [TS]

00:24:55   1999 and as part of America's best [TS]

00:24:58   combinations best comics written and can [TS]

00:25:00   owned by an englishman english man which [TS]

00:25:03   was hysterical [TS]

00:25:04   sure well and for those I so so where to [TS]

00:25:10   begin with this thing this thing is so [TS]

00:25:12   big and overflowing with ideas and [TS]

00:25:16   images that it it kind of takes I mean [TS]

00:25:19   this is not something this is not [TS]

00:25:21   economic you can blow through right it's [TS]

00:25:22   not like it was so dense but but i will [TS]

00:25:25   say before we get into what i wanted to [TS]

00:25:26   just say for people who think watch men [TS]

00:25:29   is Alan Moore's definitive take on [TS]

00:25:31   superheroes and then he went on to do [TS]

00:25:33   lots of other things he went back to [TS]

00:25:36   superheroes in 1999 and get them really [TS]

00:25:39   and it's amazing it may not be you know [TS]

00:25:42   it's not a watchman is shaped very [TS]

00:25:45   differently than something like top 10 [TS]

00:25:46   which is health street blues with [TS]

00:25:48   superhero cops but it is it is so much [TS]

00:25:53   more if you like to Eleanor's kind of [TS]

00:25:54   commentary on a tease comics in watch [TS]

00:25:57   men his commentary on superheroes in [TS]

00:26:00   late nineties early two thousands in top [TS]

00:26:02   10 is something you better not miss [TS]

00:26:04   because it's it's fantastic and dense [TS]

00:26:07   and just heal area is it is so so fun if [TS]

00:26:10   he emptied his bucket of ideas about [TS]

00:26:12   superheroes and watch men it refilled [TS]

00:26:14   because this and then he got another [TS]

00:26:16   bucket it's just amazing so I what he [TS]

00:26:19   was trying to accomplish with this from [TS]

00:26:21   reading interviews with him at the time [TS]

00:26:23   a he didn't in his reading comics never [TS]

00:26:27   thought team books worked and didn't [TS]

00:26:30   think the interplay between the [TS]

00:26:31   characters in the way the stories flowed [TS]

00:26:32   worked and he wondered why a comic-book [TS]

00:26:36   couldn't read like a cop show or a [TS]

00:26:39   lawyer show on television essentially in [TS]

00:26:41   tom [TS]

00:26:41   why our team books example can stumble [TS]

00:26:43   you know and so he went out to he [TS]

00:26:46   literally created a cop comic book and [TS]

00:26:49   the cop comic book just happens to be in [TS]

00:26:51   a a world where everybody has super [TS]

00:26:53   powers right cops the people the animals [TS]

00:26:56   and it's part of an acknowledged [TS]

00:26:58   multiverse [TS]

00:26:59   so the rise guys are also aware that [TS]

00:27:00   there are other universes where dip [TS]

00:27:02   other other parallel Earth's where [TS]

00:27:03   outcomes have been different and they [TS]

00:27:05   can travel back and forth between and in [TS]

00:27:07   fact their management hierarchy goes up [TS]

00:27:10   into the multiverse so that the [TS]

00:27:12   Commissioner is from you know universe [TS]

00:27:14   one and is it is supervising them and [TS]

00:27:18   they're in universe 10 which is why it's [TS]

00:27:19   called top 10 [TS]

00:27:21   yep so I think for what he was trying to [TS]

00:27:24   accomplish with that ensemble cast and [TS]

00:27:26   like make it feel just like a police [TS]

00:27:28   kind of television drama i would say he [TS]

00:27:31   more than accomplished he starts off the [TS]

00:27:34   book with the time-honored cop show [TS]

00:27:35   convention usually new cop new [TS]

00:27:37   characters out rookie cop first then [TS]

00:27:39   jabba comes in and you think about how [TS]

00:27:40   many how many cop shows start with that [TS]

00:27:42   premise where there's a new crop it gets [TS]

00:27:43   transferred to the division and they're [TS]

00:27:46   forced to figure out everything in a [TS]

00:27:47   hurry and overseeing the chauffeur and [TS]

00:27:50   it's overwhelming [TS]

00:27:51   yeah because this book is so dense and [TS]

00:27:53   it's overwhelming for her too [TS]

00:27:54   yeah and as opposed to base so you don't [TS]

00:27:56   feel you don't feel like I'm missing [TS]

00:27:58   something no no you're not [TS]

00:28:00   or yes you're missing everything because [TS]

00:28:01   it's home it's so dense ya know what day [TS]

00:28:04   it feels very much like a TV show in [TS]

00:28:06   that the individual issues tend to have [TS]

00:28:11   some self contained plots or at least [TS]

00:28:13   some short plots I i kept thinking of [TS]

00:28:14   homicide [TS]

00:28:15   yes yes the great Jerry showing promise [TS]

00:28:17   for the wire but very much like homicide [TS]

00:28:19   where was where was a little more [TS]

00:28:20   episodic because the network and you [TS]

00:28:23   would have episodes where you know that [TS]

00:28:25   short-term plots would happen over one [TS]

00:28:27   or two episodes and then they would be [TS]

00:28:29   some longer-term arcs and top 10 is like [TS]

00:28:31   that there are crimes that that are are [TS]

00:28:34   committed and resolved in one issue or [TS]

00:28:35   one or two issues and summer Messier and [TS]

00:28:38   they go over three four five six issues [TS]

00:28:40   with a little arching planned others [TS]

00:28:43   overall like the season long story arc [TS]

00:28:45   and and he and it's masterful smart [TS]

00:28:48   plotting oh my gosh it's just really [TS]

00:28:50   smart plotting when because you go back [TS]

00:28:52   and you look at the structure of the [TS]

00:28:53   story and all of the little called [TS]

00:28:55   next they do back-and-forth I did not [TS]

00:28:58   like along those lines how the various [TS]

00:29:00   plots kind of flowed in and out team and [TS]

00:29:03   the characters floated and out so one [TS]

00:29:05   character who is super important in one [TS]

00:29:07   issue you don't see them or the plot for [TS]

00:29:09   a couple issues other things come up [TS]

00:29:11   even though you might hear a little bit [TS]

00:29:12   about it and that you get to like see [TS]

00:29:14   slices of all the characters lives you [TS]

00:29:16   meet some of their families go to some [TS]

00:29:17   of their homes and see them outside of [TS]

00:29:20   their work environment and the the fact [TS]

00:29:24   that one character wasn't a highlighted [TS]

00:29:27   any more than any other character [TS]

00:29:29   well I like the character progression to [TS]

00:29:31   do with snacks over the course the [TS]

00:29:32   series where my first one he's just this [TS]

00:29:35   really closed off jerk and by like this [TS]

00:29:37   is the new cops partner yeah Mac and you [TS]

00:29:39   just tall blue my honorable invulnerable [TS]

00:29:42   and in the first issue that kind of a [TS]

00:29:44   jerk he's in the first she's a total box [TS]

00:29:46   yeah not be confused by box and then you [TS]

00:29:49   see I thinking like issue 10 the very [TS]

00:29:51   end or issue 11 after she's been [TS]

00:29:53   incapacitated and can't take care of her [TS]

00:29:55   Alzheimer's written father you see him [TS]

00:29:57   bathing her father for her and taking [TS]

00:29:59   care and you realize just kind of how [TS]

00:30:01   their relationship has developed and how [TS]

00:30:03   he's actually developed a little bit as [TS]

00:30:05   a character over the corporations and [TS]

00:30:06   they don't beat you over the head with [TS]

00:30:07   it right before that happened [TS]

00:30:09   his uncle who raised him died yeah he [TS]

00:30:12   found out died even though you kind of [TS]

00:30:13   saw a glimpse of that like several [TS]

00:30:15   issues earlier it was it sits so let's [TS]

00:30:18   imagine masterful like you said kind of [TS]

00:30:21   weaving of the plot [TS]

00:30:22   I'll plus the extermination plot let the [TS]

00:30:24   cats and mice yeah yeah so we'll get you [TS]

00:30:27   he was whose whose aunt's house or moms [TS]

00:30:29   house is a the dust rider just know the [TS]

00:30:33   guy with the guy with the cowboy hey i [TS]

00:30:34   just have all hands away in his name [TS]

00:30:36   hasn't does dust devil he has an [TS]

00:30:38   infestation her in his mom's house of [TS]

00:30:40   mice center power and it turns out their [TS]

00:30:42   super-powered mice for up from various [TS]

00:30:45   realities and they're also prepared cats [TS]

00:30:46   and they begin to reenact like there's a [TS]

00:30:48   look at the supercollider and I don't [TS]

00:30:50   think they're a guy dressed like the [TS]

00:30:51   Justice League [TS]

00:30:52   well some of them are some of them are [TS]

00:30:53   just like the fantastic four others [TS]

00:30:55   because Galactus nothing like this cat [TS]

00:30:57   comments i was going to die so let's see [TS]

00:31:00   what happens [TS]

00:31:01   and perhaps this is a spoiler but not [TS]

00:31:03   really as the comic is like thirty [TS]

00:31:05   dollars out [TS]

00:31:06   right so it's not so there was there's [TS]

00:31:08   the superpower my so of course you call [TS]

00:31:10   an exterminator who brings superpower [TS]

00:31:12   cat of course and so then then several [TS]

00:31:16   issues later and cloud it's like days of [TS]

00:31:19   writers past yeah so the cats on the Mac [TS]

00:31:22   Meister now waging these wars and [TS]

00:31:24   there's a moment where the guy says it's [TS]

00:31:26   because i actually have it here i got a [TS]

00:31:28   dog the right thing and he's like no [TS]

00:31:31   dogs no what no what I said went to a [TS]

00:31:34   constant was like well you know they're [TS]

00:31:36   going to get to alternate universes at [TS]

00:31:37   this point they're the continuities [TS]

00:31:38   gonna get ya doing [TS]

00:31:40   Dwayne comes back to check on it and the [TS]

00:31:42   exterminator tells him it's not not [TS]

00:31:44   going well and actually says you see you [TS]

00:31:46   get enough science animals together it's [TS]

00:31:48   a big event next thing it escalates and [TS]

00:31:50   you get a whole secret crisis more [TS]

00:31:52   crossover thing going on [TS]

00:31:54   inevitably cosmic powers get involved [TS]

00:31:57   you know how it is when you turn the [TS]

00:31:59   page and you see the Galactic Eliza cat [TS]

00:32:02   and the mr. the what's the Eternity [TS]

00:32:04   mouse [TS]

00:32:05   yeah but as long as many other mice and [TS]

00:32:08   cat characters fighting it out in his [TS]

00:32:10   mother's apartment of course the whole [TS]

00:32:12   thing about this is now his mother is [TS]

00:32:13   living with him [TS]

00:32:14   mhm which is why the house is infected [TS]

00:32:17   which is really affecting his sex life [TS]

00:32:19   yeah he's gotta clean up his act and [TS]

00:32:22   he's not liking that what i really enjoy [TS]

00:32:24   is how his mother back in the sixties as [TS]

00:32:26   an interrogator known as truth or dare [TS]

00:32:28   right it's just we took the whole truth [TS]

00:32:29   thing to a whole new level yeah yeah [TS]

00:32:31   it's like almost like this and not this [TS]

00:32:33   one [TS]

00:32:33   so so let's see what other I mean they [TS]

00:32:36   did some fascinating characters but they [TS]

00:32:38   got the there's the the woman who is [TS]

00:32:42   she's actually naked all the time your [TS]

00:32:44   skin makes artificial clothing girl on [TS]

00:32:47   but different she's from a different [TS]

00:32:48   earth but Caesar the sergeant who is a [TS]

00:32:51   dog [TS]

00:32:52   yes with a cybernetic human skeleton [TS]

00:32:54   that he wears kmc doesn't see color [TS]

00:32:57   yeah and so he knows that she's naked [TS]

00:32:59   all along and she's very upset and [TS]

00:33:00   there's this fascinating scene where he [TS]

00:33:02   says look don't worry about it i'm not [TS]

00:33:03   attracted to you I'm a dog I like dogs [TS]

00:33:07   not people and additional twist [TS]

00:33:09   yeah in that because it turns out maybe [TS]

00:33:11   does like people but I maybe just like [TS]

00:33:13   that specific person and there's a woman [TS]

00:33:14   never share [TS]

00:33:15   there's a woman who can can walk through [TS]

00:33:17   walls [TS]

00:33:18   there's the woman who [TS]

00:33:19   the receptionist the tacky at the police [TS]

00:33:21   forces Janice and she's two-faced janus [TS]

00:33:23   was just such a beautiful plan on [TS]

00:33:26   because all police dispatchers are [TS]

00:33:28   always named janice rd anise and then [TS]

00:33:31   you have somebody who's actually the [TS]

00:33:33   two-headed god yeah basically and she [TS]

00:33:35   hadn't I don't like tired from that [TS]

00:33:37   other precinct yes him in the other hand [TS]

00:33:39   on the other earth in the Grand Central [TS]

00:33:41   Precinct set cruisers it's crazy there [TS]

00:33:45   so clearly we all you know it's funny [TS]

00:33:46   that you mentioned the homicide life on [TS]

00:33:48   the street parallel because there's an [TS]

00:33:51   issue i'm trying to find it while you're [TS]

00:33:53   doing that the just for the audience [TS]

00:33:55   listening at home often when we're [TS]

00:33:57   sitting here we have the comics on our [TS]

00:33:59   iPad so we've already digitally for some [TS]

00:34:01   this is the first time I think we've [TS]

00:34:02   come in all of us have a hard copy of [TS]

00:34:05   the book in front of us and are like [TS]

00:34:06   yeah coming through and yeah for this [TS]

00:34:09   started we're pointing out stuff that's [TS]

00:34:10   it's pretty nice to not it's not [TS]

00:34:13   available digitally as far as i can tell [TS]

00:34:15   i did search on comixology last night [TS]

00:34:16   but I have that but at the trade that i [TS]

00:34:18   got from amazon so there are a billion [TS]

00:34:19   of the paper collections are out there [TS]

00:34:22   it's unfortunate that the episode with [TS]

00:34:24   the teleporter accident is almost a [TS]

00:34:26   frame for frame remake of a homicide on [TS]

00:34:28   the street weapons that were interested [TS]

00:34:29   to know for you have switched off the [TS]

00:34:31   platform onto any good for contract [TS]

00:34:33   between each platform and a subway car [TS]

00:34:34   and he's cut in half and he they know [TS]

00:34:36   he's gonna die then we can move the car [TS]

00:34:38   that it's gonna kill its gonna bring [TS]

00:34:40   those eventually and and basically the [TS]

00:34:41   entire episode is a bottle episode [TS]

00:34:43   between him and Andre Braugher where [TS]

00:34:44   they talk and it was a really touching [TS]

00:34:46   scene Lord do even better yeah it's [TS]

00:34:49   basically the same thing where that [TS]

00:34:50   where the giant rock is is issuing these [TS]

00:34:53   philosophical profundities while the [TS]

00:34:55   born-again Christian is talking to the [TS]

00:34:56   guy who stuck inside the giant rook and [TS]

00:34:58   it was yes because they are these giant [TS]

00:35:00   eggs alien animal guys who are playing [TS]

00:35:02   the great game and you think that [TS]

00:35:04   they're like think they're the the huge [TS]

00:35:06   gamers or whatever they are giant gamers [TS]

00:35:08   and and there's a teleporter accident [TS]

00:35:11   and they're they're kind of intertwined [TS]

00:35:12   and his the guy's wife is dead on [TS]

00:35:13   arrival and this guy's gonna die and [TS]

00:35:15   then they're really mad at this other [TS]

00:35:17   guy even the gamer even though he didn't [TS]

00:35:19   most involved like this is a game and by [TS]

00:35:21   the end the real angeleyes its chest [TS]

00:35:23   they are they are uh it's full it's [TS]

00:35:26   essentially philosopher religion and the [TS]

00:35:28   game is life and the black pieces are [TS]

00:35:31   chaos [TS]

00:35:32   and the white pieces are ordered amid [TS]

00:35:33   the chaos and their Creed is that every [TS]

00:35:35   time you see a star it's proof that [TS]

00:35:37   order and higher values have triumphed [TS]

00:35:40   over cast entropy because i did one of [TS]

00:35:42   the last things that the guy dying guy [TS]

00:35:43   says is well gee if you look up there's [TS]

00:35:46   way more black and white so so is black [TS]

00:35:48   winning and and the the dying creature [TS]

00:35:50   says no no [TS]

00:35:51   look at all that white it started out [TS]

00:35:53   all black yeah it's just beautiful and [TS]

00:35:55   we can go and so weird and yet so [TS]

00:35:57   beautiful and that's in one issue that [TS]

00:36:00   starts with one of the case the whole [TS]

00:36:01   with Tara green waking up and next to [TS]

00:36:04   her husband and take a shower and [TS]

00:36:05   putting on a costume and hearing on the [TS]

00:36:07   radio that there's been this accident [TS]

00:36:09   and going there and and then by the end [TS]

00:36:11   we've had this whole kind of story [TS]

00:36:13   happen in a single issue which is also [TS]

00:36:15   pretty cool and then on top because we [TS]

00:36:17   can talk about how dense this book is [TS]

00:36:19   yeah and it actually was a long time to [TS]

00:36:21   read an issue which hasn't happened for [TS]

00:36:23   me reading African a long time no most [TS]

00:36:25   modern comics you can just blow through [TS]

00:36:27   them right the backgrounds aren't that [TS]

00:36:28   compelling and yet i found myself [TS]

00:36:29   writing every single billboard on the [TS]

00:36:31   street because they've got ya [TS]

00:36:32   they've got they've got a billboard for [TS]

00:36:33   hair gel that turns your Wolverine like [TS]

00:36:35   here to actual human hair which i [TS]

00:36:37   thought was a wonderful throw a joke [TS]

00:36:39   there's a guy when he hallucinates he [TS]

00:36:41   hallucinates some all of the characters [TS]

00:36:43   from The Sandman and you see them [TS]

00:36:45   popping around and should the character [TS]

00:36:47   the the main guy who you're talking to [TS]

00:36:49   the whole time who stuck in the giant [TS]

00:36:51   rook and his wife who's already dead [TS]

00:36:53   they're based on a pc guy with the [TS]

00:36:57   rocket he goes to the other world and it [TS]

00:36:59   Adam Strange who himself is based on [TS]

00:37:02   just was that disney movie that failed [TS]

00:37:04   the john carter and essentially he talks [TS]

00:37:08   about how he and his wife go to that [TS]

00:37:10   other planet and do these adventures and [TS]

00:37:12   she's from their planet and if you look [TS]

00:37:14   at their costumes it's very similar and [TS]

00:37:16   so like there's just so much density and [TS]

00:37:19   it's not it's referential to not just [TS]

00:37:22   comics but you literature like a lot [TS]

00:37:26   more likes to do but then you also have [TS]

00:37:28   all the hanna-barbera characters are in [TS]

00:37:30   there and he has clients it's really [TS]

00:37:32   this incredible rich reading experience [TS]

00:37:35   that I can't believe they never made an [TS]

00:37:36   absolute collection because i would love [TS]

00:37:39   to be able to see these panels bigger [TS]

00:37:40   and really dig into the I want to help [TS]

00:37:42   it like the tailor's with the no digital [TS]

00:37:45   ability and the and and the lack of a [TS]

00:37:47   kind of a large-sized collection for [TS]

00:37:49   these because this is this is on you [TS]

00:37:52   know I ir heard about this I think maybe [TS]

00:37:54   even from you and I'm amazed that more [TS]

00:37:59   people i meet some people seem to know [TS]

00:38:00   about it yeah it's really kind of [TS]

00:38:03   amazing stuff and even among Alan [TS]

00:38:05   Moore's work it seems to be kind of not [TS]

00:38:07   even noticed more people are more likely [TS]

00:38:09   to talk about promethea I think than [TS]

00:38:10   this and Prometheus another one that you [TS]

00:38:12   have to read very slowly as the [TS]

00:38:13   background just people they're really [TS]

00:38:15   more likely to talk about watch man for [TS]

00:38:17   me i'll be for Vendetta is a tease work [TS]

00:38:19   last night [TS]

00:38:20   swapping yeah I can never say something [TS]

00:38:22   without hearing wild thing in my head in [TS]

00:38:24   the background snob thing the pic but [TS]

00:38:27   know what I wanted this the things and [TS]

00:38:30   this is not really spoiling the series i [TS]

00:38:33   really enjoy the critical eye he casts [TS]

00:38:37   on comic book culture as a whole [TS]

00:38:39   both and and that we see the light [TS]

00:38:41   hearted part of that with the [TS]

00:38:42   extermination plotline where it's cats [TS]

00:38:45   and mice reenacting some of the greatest [TS]

00:38:48   crossover events from DC and Marvel and [TS]

00:38:50   then you get the really dark stab you in [TS]

00:38:53   the gut twist when you find out what the [TS]

00:38:55   seven sentinels have been up to and [TS]

00:38:58   Kevin Smith that kind of approach the [TS]

00:39:01   same subject when he rebooted green [TS]

00:39:03   lantern and one of the lines that's a [TS]

00:39:05   throw line is when the revived Oliver [TS]

00:39:07   Queen is like what were we thinking [TS]

00:39:08   running around with all of these [TS]

00:39:09   sidekicks but this just takes it a whole [TS]

00:39:13   new and dark direction one that's [TS]

00:39:15   completely plausible within the universe [TS]

00:39:17   and for a police precinct and you you [TS]

00:39:19   look at you like oh wow thats thats dark [TS]

00:39:22   certainly becomes an episode of that [TS]

00:39:25   special victims unit [TS]

00:39:26   yeah but you know it's it's it's just [TS]

00:39:28   another really really trenchant [TS]

00:39:31   criticism of the kind of things that [TS]

00:39:33   mainstream comic readers will just 20 of [TS]

00:39:35   course so-and-so has a stable of [TS]

00:39:37   teenagers living in their house why [TS]

00:39:38   wouldn't care about going to take it [TS]

00:39:39   back by the way I I i searched last [TS]

00:39:41   night for top 10 and didn't find it on [TS]

00:39:43   comixology because i put a space between [TS]

00:39:45   top and 10 but if you search for top-10 [TS]

00:39:48   top-10 no spaces it is those 12 issues [TS]

00:39:52   of of the original top-10 are available [TS]

00:39:54   digitally you can go out and get them [TS]

00:39:56   John get the one by one but like this [TS]

00:39:59   one is you really make money but I get [TS]

00:40:02   Amazon's got the trade papers you want [TS]

00:40:04   the tactile experience because I i read [TS]

00:40:06   them both this way and by blowing them [TS]

00:40:07   up on my huge monitor and i have to tell [TS]

00:40:10   you I still was able to pick up a whole [TS]

00:40:11   lot more in terms of expressions and art [TS]

00:40:12   with the paper copy [TS]

00:40:14   yeah it is the detail is is I mean my [TS]

00:40:18   first introduction into that level of [TS]

00:40:19   detail was watchman and thinking oh my [TS]

00:40:21   god i can read this multiple times and [TS]

00:40:23   get something new out of it by slowing [TS]

00:40:25   down knowing that i already know the [TS]

00:40:27   plot and just going back and looking at [TS]

00:40:29   the corners [TS]

00:40:30   the funny thing is this book is so dense [TS]

00:40:31   that I you almost can't you can't do the [TS]

00:40:34   old i'm going to do a pass and then come [TS]

00:40:36   back you just can't its there's too much [TS]

00:40:38   and I can understand how that means that [TS]

00:40:40   this is probably not the most accessible [TS]

00:40:41   book out there it is super dense but [TS]

00:40:45   it's definitely good and its a good yeah [TS]

00:40:48   but actually I wonder would it be [TS]

00:40:50   possible to ignore all those references [TS]

00:40:53   in all of that density and just read it [TS]

00:40:56   as a cop murder ya done it kind of thing [TS]

00:40:59   I should have you with allies like my [TS]

00:41:01   litmus test [TS]

00:41:02   no I'm not kidding he's like my life [TS]

00:41:03   feeling that you've gotta be you gotta [TS]

00:41:05   be comic literate in the sense of being [TS]

00:41:07   able to read the forum because it is so [TS]

00:41:09   dense [TS]

00:41:09   yeah um it's not it's not an easy read [TS]

00:41:12   that way but it's a I think it works i [TS]

00:41:16   mean some of the references are I [TS]

00:41:17   assumed I was missing lots of references [TS]

00:41:19   and there is the overarching story I [TS]

00:41:21   don't require the references [TS]

00:41:23   I don't know really no I tations online [TS]

00:41:25   yeah is that keep that's it's been a [TS]

00:41:27   long time since i searched the last time [TS]

00:41:29   i did there wasn't anyone that could [TS]

00:41:31   have been a decade ago [TS]

00:41:32   yeah so there might be today but what we [TS]

00:41:35   need is for like a group of teenage [TS]

00:41:36   girls to embrace this is their fandom [TS]

00:41:38   because they would pull it together [TS]

00:41:40   there is nothing like a bunch of of [TS]

00:41:41   college girls on tumblr to take [TS]

00:41:43   something and effective panel by panel [TS]

00:41:45   yeah so when I say everything goes well [TS]

00:41:48   how do she's one of my favorite scenes [TS]

00:41:49   is when they're when smacks visits his [TS]

00:41:52   partner toy box in the hospital yeah [TS]

00:41:54   after that the big battle at the [TS]

00:41:56   precinct has happened and as their he's [TS]

00:41:58   walking through the hallways in the [TS]

00:41:59   hospital you see every doctor character [TS]

00:42:01   ever so like doctor who is there dr. [TS]

00:42:04   strange dr. doom [TS]

00:42:06   dr. fate basically any doctor characters [TS]

00:42:08   you can kind of glimpse wandering the [TS]

00:42:10   halls of this hospital which is mostly [TS]

00:42:13   wondering what kind of doctor doctor [TS]

00:42:15   doctor do what actually practice [TS]

00:42:17   he's a very bad doctor OBGYNs internal [TS]

00:42:20   internal valley pediatrics is internal [TS]

00:42:23   medicine he specializes in taking your [TS]

00:42:24   internal things and moving them to the [TS]

00:42:26   external by a blast i have to look at [TS]

00:42:28   the guy i found a site that has that [TS]

00:42:31   claims to have annotations of top 10 [TS]

00:42:33   from from Tamilnadu looks like because [TS]

00:42:38   if you ever read The Watchmen that the [TS]

00:42:40   watch annotations watchman is amazing [TS]

00:42:41   the annotated I'm kingdom com is is [TS]

00:42:44   insane [TS]

00:42:45   if you find those animations that that [TS]

00:42:48   is that is just that's another book to [TS]

00:42:49   modeling yeah these detail ones where [TS]

00:42:52   you really could just study it carefully [TS]

00:42:54   it is amazing that Alex Ross could do [TS]

00:42:56   work after that book like and it's not [TS]

00:42:58   just in a room somewhere [TS]

00:42:59   mumbling about DC continuity well that's [TS]

00:43:03   hot that's how i feel about top 10 is [TS]

00:43:04   like this this this is the feeling of it [TS]

00:43:06   of a work that drove its creators mad [TS]

00:43:08   because it's that level of like effort [TS]

00:43:11   that must have been poured into it [TS]

00:43:12   yeah I don't think the three of them [TS]

00:43:13   have worked together again I don't know [TS]

00:43:15   what that means but so let's talk about [TS]

00:43:17   it as a as a cop story that how does it [TS]

00:43:20   compare to other cop stories like I [TS]

00:43:22   don't know if you read powers I haven't [TS]

00:43:24   either been descamps yeah i read it [TS]

00:43:26   cop kind of story and they're actually [TS]

00:43:27   normal cops in a superhero work with [TS]

00:43:30   these are super hero cops and superhero [TS]

00:43:31   world and criminal against by Brubaker [TS]

00:43:36   make the same thing I haven't that with [TS]

00:43:37   it are just looking at it then just as a [TS]

00:43:39   whodunit cop murder mysteries [TS]

00:43:43   how does it stand up in a classic kind [TS]

00:43:45   of things i always thought the Bendis [TS]

00:43:46   books really fell down where it was sort [TS]

00:43:48   of like you go through six issues of a [TS]

00:43:49   murder story and then suddenly the peak [TS]

00:43:51   they find out who did it and it was like [TS]

00:43:52   a character they just introduced three [TS]

00:43:54   minutes before you found out they did it [TS]

00:43:55   you're like what know what is this i get [TS]

00:43:57   the Christie right and something that [TS]

00:43:59   John works so how did this holdup bear [TS]

00:44:01   in mind i'm going to compare this to a [TS]

00:44:03   TV show just because I think that both [TS]

00:44:05   this series and TV shows tend to benefit [TS]

00:44:08   from the episodic nature of the [TS]

00:44:09   storytelling because you can loop in [TS]

00:44:10   different stories of different duration [TS]

00:44:12   and while we started with the hill [TS]

00:44:15   street blues thing this is almost like a [TS]

00:44:18   Southland [TS]

00:44:20   or well i would say it's almost like [TS]

00:44:23   Southland which is currently on TNT and [TS]

00:44:25   is a very good cop show and i would say [TS]

00:44:28   the case is held up because you had your [TS]

00:44:29   really obvious ones which were you know [TS]

00:44:30   I roll and solve like the murder of all [TS]

00:44:33   door and then ice [TS]

00:44:35   I i I'd like to twist i did not see [TS]

00:44:38   coming and maybe it's because I didn't [TS]

00:44:39   read closely enough but when you have [TS]

00:44:40   the sin that the synesthesia detective [TS]

00:44:43   who throughout the entire book is is [TS]

00:44:46   she's like well your classical music [TS]

00:44:48   here Beethoven the graduation narrows it [TS]

00:44:50   down to ode to joy right and then that [TS]

00:44:52   turns out to be what unlocks like two [TS]

00:44:54   separate cases at once i was all wow [TS]

00:44:56   yeah wow I'm because i'm sure all the [TS]

00:44:59   pieces were there and if i go back and [TS]

00:45:00   reread again I'll be able to see that [TS]

00:45:03   they're all there but on the first that [TS]

00:45:05   shock of the fresh where we're all of a [TS]

00:45:07   sudden all the pieces come together and [TS]

00:45:08   it's that it was just talking to kaiser [TS]

00:45:10   soze moment like that because it was [TS]

00:45:13   because you're like oh my gosh [TS]

00:45:14   all the pieces are in front of him and [TS]

00:45:16   and now and now it's a glorious whole um [TS]

00:45:19   yeah I i was really satisfied as a [TS]

00:45:22   reader like on it and not just know this [TS]

00:45:24   is pretty and it's so detailed and it [TS]

00:45:25   rewards a comic book reader i was really [TS]

00:45:27   satisfied as that it has kept his is [TS]

00:45:30   rewarded me for paying attention and his [TS]

00:45:32   still managed to surprise me [TS]

00:45:33   yeah it'sit's you want a combination of [TS]

00:45:35   characters and story so if it's just the [TS]

00:45:37   mystery i think it's less interesting [TS]

00:45:39   and if it's just the characters it's [TS]

00:45:40   lesson [TS]

00:45:41   yeah but you do enjoy the you know the [TS]

00:45:44   eye-rolling cases that are not that [TS]

00:45:46   interesting are funny from a character [TS]

00:45:49   respective like yet we gotta do our job [TS]

00:45:50   and then there are these more the long [TS]

00:45:52   games that get played [TS]

00:45:54   you know I really enjoyed the the [TS]

00:45:55   creature the alien creature that was [TS]

00:45:57   down in the sewers storyline where its [TS]

00:46:00   menacing for a long time and you're like [TS]

00:46:03   what is it and what is happening and [TS]

00:46:05   then the explanation is is fairly simple [TS]

00:46:07   yeah is there's this alien creature [TS]

00:46:09   that's eating people that are the sewers [TS]

00:46:11   that that's what she does when she's not [TS]

00:46:13   being a porn star [TS]

00:46:14   yeah that was that was my favorite part [TS]

00:46:15   you know what she was a big fifties [TS]

00:46:17   superhero [TS]

00:46:18   yeah it was super hero in the seventies [TS]

00:46:20   style porn star and now she eats people [TS]

00:46:22   sheets people you have that was growing [TS]

00:46:23   sense that telepathic projections which [TS]

00:46:26   yeah and the really mr. pete yeah yeah [TS]

00:46:29   so I thought it worked on both levels [TS]

00:46:30   yeah yeah I [TS]

00:46:33   more cop shows were actually like this [TS]

00:46:34   to be to be frank with superpowers [TS]

00:46:37   no no to where where where there was a [TS]

00:46:39   healthy element of loopiness because one [TS]

00:46:41   of the problems with cop shows on TV i [TS]

00:46:43   think is a lot of them are just way too [TS]

00:46:44   freaking serious there's a series i was [TS]

00:46:47   watching on hulu the summer called the [TS]

00:46:48   unusual which was a failed ABC series [TS]

00:46:50   that actually manage this balance of [TS]

00:46:51   some of levity in gravity and so [TS]

00:46:55   naturally it failed but this reminds me [TS]

00:46:58   of that in a way where you have these [TS]

00:46:59   characters who all have who will bring [TS]

00:47:01   their own baggage to work and and still [TS]

00:47:04   managed to get the job done and so it's [TS]

00:47:05   very funny and something is not [TS]

00:47:07   yeah well i think the the the 1i found [TS]

00:47:09   that she was I found a really funny [TS]

00:47:11   where the that Godzilla oh my character [TS]

00:47:15   is especially his dad comes to bail them [TS]

00:47:17   out with yeah yeah I don't destroy you [TS]

00:47:19   all the shrink him down [TS]

00:47:21   yeah pick them up in their hands I'm not [TS]

00:47:22   gonna be big like Google Gojira sure [TS]

00:47:27   that most of his menacing of the city [TS]

00:47:28   was just because he was drunk and fell [TS]

00:47:29   down on it yeah and he happened to be a [TS]

00:47:31   very dangerous when your large like no [TS]

00:47:33   yes and then the God bar owners just [TS]

00:47:36   great [TS]

00:47:37   where there is a bar where all of the [TS]

00:47:39   Gods hangout and the police are called [TS]

00:47:41   because it's when they interviews and [TS]

00:47:43   he's like this used to be the kind of [TS]

00:47:44   place you could take your whole pantheon [TS]

00:47:46   we should say that there's a lot of [TS]

00:47:50   funny stuff in here and it is it is [TS]

00:47:51   funny and horrifying and kind of all at [TS]

00:47:55   the same time and yeah it's it's amazing [TS]

00:47:59   that this is essentially i always say [TS]

00:48:01   this when I tell people about it and [TS]

00:48:03   he'll know you have to pick up top 10 it [TS]

00:48:04   is one of the three books i would bring [TS]

00:48:06   to a desert island if I had to spend the [TS]

00:48:08   rest of my life with only three books [TS]

00:48:10   wow what are the other two The Sandman [TS]

00:48:12   and i'm leaving the third one still open [TS]

00:48:15   okay yeah you got a slot open in case [TS]

00:48:16   something falls my rewrites and man like [TS]

00:48:19   within the last six min this is the [TS]

00:48:20   hazard of packing my comics we're moving [TS]

00:48:22   into breeding a lot of them and that's [TS]

00:48:24   why I took like three days to pack them [TS]

00:48:25   and I was actually shocked at how [TS]

00:48:27   weirdly the Earth's it's on my eyes now [TS]

00:48:30   because you know yeah [TS]

00:48:31   at the time it was very edgy edgy [TS]

00:48:34   experimental and now you're like oh [TS]

00:48:37   that's cute or blue that that didn't [TS]

00:48:39   work out you know it's interesting to [TS]

00:48:41   see what what has withstood the test of [TS]

00:48:44   time or what actually like inspired [TS]

00:48:46   artists as his comics kept moving [TS]

00:48:48   through the nineties and into the [TS]

00:48:50   audience and and what was just kind of a [TS]

00:48:52   non-starter [TS]

00:48:53   and so instead of art you had mentioned [TS]

00:48:54   something about the art of top 10 before [TS]

00:48:55   we started this race I really miss [TS]

00:48:57   nineteen nineties comment cards not not [TS]

00:48:59   like the stuff with pouches and no feet [TS]

00:49:01   but like this isn't very image like [TS]

00:49:03   that's why I didn't know you had [TS]

00:49:04   nineteen nineties i didn't ya [TS]

00:49:05   to me this didn't feel nineties no it's [TS]

00:49:07   okay i guess some more accurate things I [TS]

00:49:08   miss this kind of art between this and [TS]

00:49:11   say promethea which is also similarly [TS]

00:49:13   full-bodied and very colorful and very [TS]

00:49:15   detailed and it seemed kind of very [TS]

00:49:18   eighties in a sense of like your mic sex [TS]

00:49:21   secret wars or your john byrne fantastic [TS]

00:49:25   for ya where it's good storytelling good [TS]

00:49:27   background is good just solid classic [TS]

00:49:31   comics i remember the time somebody said [TS]

00:49:33   that that it was Alan Moore trying and [TS]

00:49:35   this is America's best comics name was a [TS]

00:49:38   part of this too it's like alan moore [TS]

00:49:40   was trying to make superheroes and he [TS]

00:49:43   made superheroes not fun now he's going [TS]

00:49:46   to make them fun again and it in a way [TS]

00:49:48   that it's going to be bright and he's [TS]

00:49:49   going to sort of take it was it was [TS]

00:49:51   meant i remember somebody saying I think [TS]

00:49:53   maybe even the marketing at the time was [TS]

00:49:55   that this was alan moore kind of trying [TS]

00:49:59   to undoing the damage into the [TS]

00:50:00   attachment [TS]

00:50:01   yeah kinda San wait a second you [TS]

00:50:03   misunderstood i do like the bright [TS]

00:50:06   colors and the people in the funny [TS]

00:50:07   costumes and there there's more to tell [TS]

00:50:09   their and or maybe was a lot more sane [TS]

00:50:10   or something very beautiful about [TS]

00:50:12   quoting daily life for people get up and [TS]

00:50:14   have their third families and they do [TS]

00:50:16   their jobs and they deal with the [TS]

00:50:17   circumstances that live around them so [TS]

00:50:19   and that's in there something noble and [TS]

00:50:21   beautiful and pretty about that it [TS]

00:50:22   doesn't have to merely oh look they're [TS]

00:50:24   special flying people go into the air [TS]

00:50:25   let us all bow down as if before God but [TS]

00:50:27   rather a look this is my life isn't it [TS]

00:50:29   gorgeous the way it is so let's talk [TS]

00:50:31   about that for a minute because i think [TS]

00:50:32   it was it was sort of interesting that [TS]

00:50:34   the characters when they went home and [TS]

00:50:36   took off their costumes sometimes it was [TS]

00:50:38   very surprising [TS]

00:50:39   yeah like the wolf spider [TS]

00:50:43   mhm who is this giant kind of mechanoid [TS]

00:50:46   japanese animation looking character [TS]

00:50:48   that turns out is like a really old dude [TS]

00:50:51   who has no legs [TS]

00:50:52   yeah when he took off the costume or the [TS]

00:50:55   birdwoman what was her name [TS]

00:50:57   paragraph Peregrine [TS]

00:50:58   who looks like Susan powder when she [TS]

00:51:00   takes right and then and then you you [TS]

00:51:02   make assumptions about that because she [TS]

00:51:04   looks that way and her you you already [TS]

00:51:06   know her partner is gay [TS]

00:51:08   yeah and then like another issue of for [TS]

00:51:09   later it turns out well no she's [TS]

00:51:11   actually added a Christian conservative [TS]

00:51:13   yeah that's right Bob and so he does a [TS]

00:51:16   lot of this kind of like literally and [TS]

00:51:18   metaphorically taking off for the layers [TS]

00:51:22   of the characters and having his little [TS]

00:51:23   surprises with each one [TS]

00:51:25   I think it's time to try box is the only [TS]

00:51:26   one who who stays remarkably consistent [TS]

00:51:28   in terms of her look um but she's not [TS]

00:51:31   she's our viewpoint in a way she's our [TS]

00:51:33   entry points to conjugate not a real [TS]

00:51:35   character that said she's also the one [TS]

00:51:37   who again she looks the most nineties [TS]

00:51:38   because she's got the clunky boots and [TS]

00:51:40   that the miniskirt and they're exposed [TS]

00:51:41   midriff and that was that was kind of a [TS]

00:51:42   thing in the late 90s early audience [TS]

00:51:44   like rising stars is going around at the [TS]

00:51:46   same time to ya [TS]

00:51:47   oh there's lots of out there was lots of [TS]

00:51:50   that and it was kind of is it was kind [TS]

00:51:51   of aesthetic i'm not even in the [TS]

00:51:53   mainstream ones where you see them alone [TS]

00:51:54   or you can see if I 1000 superhero [TS]

00:51:56   sitting down to have dinner in the [TS]

00:51:57   woman's ring crop tops you know [TS]

00:51:59   well there's a team book that is doing [TS]

00:52:02   ok if it is some stars same destructive [TS]

00:52:05   it kind of plot line w a week you know [TS]

00:52:07   if we have had a rising stars podcast I [TS]

00:52:10   I think everything don't you ring and [TS]

00:52:12   sweet [TS]

00:52:13   it's really it's really good and manage [TS]

00:52:15   all the last two issues and then just [TS]

00:52:16   cracks over the previous 2200 going to [TS]

00:52:19   be so mad I never read it [TS]

00:52:21   well be I would be glad actually because [TS]

00:52:23   then you just I don't know there's some [TS]

00:52:26   good stuff in there but the first issues [TS]

00:52:27   are fantastic the second issues are like [TS]

00:52:29   okay we've upped the stakes through [TS]

00:52:31   their great and then and this is closet [TS]

00:52:34   I'm sorry this is classic J michael [TS]

00:52:37   Straczynski where he built this great [TS]

00:52:38   world and he identifies these great [TS]

00:52:39   steaks and there's all these conflicts [TS]

00:52:41   and then at the very end it's all me [TS]

00:52:43   so he's not he's not a closer no [TS]

00:52:45   absolutely not they should bring in a [TS]

00:52:47   closing pitcher for him like a closing [TS]

00:52:48   writer perhaps no but they did that with [TS]

00:52:51   the one more day and that was really bad [TS]

00:52:53   see I've read that oh yeah yeah women [TS]

00:52:56   isn't one more day the name of the plot [TS]

00:52:58   line where where where spider-man cells [TS]

00:53:00   cells soul to the devil in order to save [TS]

00:53:03   and making ourselves marriage to the [TS]

00:53:05   devil to save and may and he had no [TS]

00:53:08   there is like maybe they would like to [TS]

00:53:09   be reunited with Uncle Ben in the [TS]

00:53:10   afterlife [TS]

00:53:11   I mean I would rather keep her life is a [TS]

00:53:13   grieving widow that's that Texas yeah [TS]

00:53:16   another thing that we talked about the [TS]

00:53:18   beginning of top 10 [TS]

00:53:19   it starts with the that the new cop that [TS]

00:53:22   is your your your entry into this world [TS]

00:53:25   and the finalists in so then the second [TS]

00:53:27   to the final issue they introduce [TS]

00:53:29   another new cop because they had they [TS]

00:53:31   had a lot of their plot lines kind of [TS]

00:53:33   come together in the 10th issue and [TS]

00:53:35   massive structure and stuff in the one [TS]

00:53:37   of the cops dies not a spoiler not a [TS]

00:53:41   spoiler since we have to do so in number [TS]

00:53:43   11 then they introduce another new cop [TS]

00:53:46   but interestingly he's very foreign in [TS]

00:53:49   the compared to the first new comp [TS]

00:53:52   injuries right who is literally a human [TS]

00:53:54   character in one of us and now this guy [TS]

00:53:55   is a 1970s shogun warrior looking [TS]

00:53:59   character and has been throughout the [TS]

00:54:01   entire thing there's been a couple of [TS]

00:54:02   prejudice they've talked about yeah the [TS]

00:54:04   sexuality has been there the different [TS]

00:54:06   species different species and robots and [TS]

00:54:09   this guy happens to be a robot [TS]

00:54:12   yeah and I thought it was interesting [TS]

00:54:13   that he Eleanor's essentially doing [TS]

00:54:15   almost the first story again but am i [TS]

00:54:17   different point of view but now that [TS]

00:54:19   you're used to the precinct and all the [TS]

00:54:22   rules and regulations now it's time to [TS]

00:54:23   up the weird factor whereas if you had [TS]

00:54:25   started the first episode with meet your [TS]

00:54:27   entrĂ©e into this world it's a samurai [TS]

00:54:29   robot that would have been a little [TS]

00:54:31   inaccessible whereas now he's he's kind [TS]

00:54:33   of giving the reader more credit for [TS]

00:54:34   understanding the the internal workings [TS]

00:54:36   of the universe and then pointing out [TS]

00:54:38   that this is actually the universe works [TS]

00:54:40   and it may be a cliche but at the end of [TS]

00:54:42   that 11 issue with this row body [TS]

00:54:45   character who is very foreign he had to [TS]

00:54:47   be one of the most relatable interesting [TS]

00:54:50   characters in the whole series [TS]

00:54:53   were there any characters that any of us [TS]

00:54:54   had trouble relating to through the [TS]

00:54:56   series or were they all equally like [TS]

00:54:58   interests are so many different [TS]

00:54:59   character yeah I just if there's [TS]

00:55:01   somebody that I had a problem relating [TS]

00:55:03   to I would just wait a couple panels and [TS]

00:55:05   we'd be on to the next one [TS]

00:55:06   just wait visually I really like shocked [TS]

00:55:09   head [TS]

00:55:10   Peter who is this kind of geeky looking [TS]

00:55:13   guy with us go on a shirt but when he [TS]

00:55:15   does his electric powers its you see his [TS]

00:55:18   skull kind of glowing idea visually [TS]

00:55:20   that's a real [TS]

00:55:20   the interesting thing but for hit into a [TS]

00:55:23   lot of character development with him [TS]

00:55:25   and he was kind of like the little bit [TS]

00:55:26   backwards [TS]

00:55:27   yeah Nick kind of character and he [TS]

00:55:29   remained that the entire time so it's a [TS]

00:55:31   little disappointed when to see more of [TS]

00:55:33   him because visually I liked him so much [TS]

00:55:35   yeah we're hermod we got to meet her [TS]

00:55:40   whole family and her husband who's an [TS]

00:55:42   out-of-work Precog yeah right [TS]

00:55:44   a kind of place with it because it at [TS]

00:55:46   one point you're like oh he actually has [TS]

00:55:48   no powers and is not a Precog because [TS]

00:55:50   like when but the notes that last panel [TS]

00:55:52   but then there's the black handle yeah [TS]

00:55:53   you liked this also no no no no no need [TS]

00:55:56   to call her right where he has this kind [TS]

00:55:58   of death vision yeah like we have wait i [TS]

00:56:00   just you just made me believe he didn't [TS]

00:56:02   have any chance not a prima donna think [TS]

00:56:03   people are just kind of patronizing him [TS]

00:56:06   on so if we have to sum up top ten i [TS]

00:56:11   think it seems pretty clear that the [TS]

00:56:13   summation is you should go out and get [TS]

00:56:16   there i think it's two volumes right [TS]

00:56:18   volume 1 and 2 which takes you for the [TS]

00:56:20   first 12 issues [TS]

00:56:21   yeah what they call season one is called [TS]

00:56:22   10 right so what happens after that I I [TS]

00:56:25   somebody in the chat room was saying [TS]

00:56:26   don't don't read decent also seeing that [TS]

00:56:29   the right I'm gonna follow there and [TS]

00:56:31   find says it's like reading the sequel [TS]

00:56:33   keys into happened years later and was [TS]

00:56:35   not done by now more and more just call [TS]

00:56:39   / there is Alan Moore did do a the [TS]

00:56:43   smacks he was involved in smacks which [TS]

00:56:47   was then that one main character you [TS]

00:56:49   mean the first issue you go on to see [TS]

00:56:51   his family in a story just about him and [TS]

00:56:53   then he did the 49ers which was a [TS]

00:56:56   prequel to top 10 and takes people like [TS]

00:56:59   the the captain of the precinct is named [TS]

00:57:01   jett lad he back when he was a kid and [TS]

00:57:06   how he started out and you get to meet [TS]

00:57:08   some of these characters that they [TS]

00:57:09   touched on in top 10 and it's definitely [TS]

00:57:12   worth a read and his beautiful artwork [TS]

00:57:14   just like this is a really pretty [TS]

00:57:17   incredible [TS]

00:57:18   so those two are good top 10 season 29 [TS]

00:57:21   so much and not so much [TS]

00:57:23   alright alright that's good advice [TS]

00:57:26   yeah but at top 10 if you have a a [TS]

00:57:29   limited shelf space for comics and and [TS]

00:57:31   you only want to have like classic [TS]

00:57:32   library comics top-10 really deserves [TS]

00:57:34   beyond it alright that's good i'm glad I [TS]

00:57:38   i have been reading them and I haven't [TS]

00:57:40   been let down in fact it was great to go [TS]

00:57:42   back and reread because it's been a [TS]

00:57:43   little while and and I knew what I was [TS]

00:57:45   getting into this time and so having [TS]

00:57:47   this warning of its dense and there's a [TS]

00:57:49   lot in there and you need to take your [TS]

00:57:50   time but it's really rewarding it's been [TS]

00:57:52   so long between comic book clubs and [TS]

00:57:54   this is why ya took us took us this long [TS]

00:57:57   to read this book is so cool wait you [TS]

00:58:00   want to a quick second what people are [TS]

00:58:01   we and what are you reading you got it [TS]

00:58:03   you know what you know what's next you [TS]

00:58:04   know the format so I what I what am I [TS]

00:58:09   reading I bought i went to a comic store [TS]

00:58:12   when I was in Massachusetts and went to [TS]

00:58:13   our limits in waltham massachusetts and [TS]

00:58:17   I got what I got I'm going to read [TS]

00:58:20   oh sorry yo Jimbo which I have never [TS]

00:58:22   read before which is the rabbit samurai [TS]

00:58:25   my butt vol one of that on the [TS]

00:58:28   recommendation of a bunch of a bunch of [TS]

00:58:30   people mouse card I've got that my son [TS]

00:58:33   read and loved the fall mouse guard the [TS]

00:58:36   first one looks beautiful i haven't read [TS]

00:58:39   it yet but that would step that's [TS]

00:58:41   looking really good i bought [TS]

00:58:42   lock-and-key vol.1 because i read lock [TS]

00:58:46   and key vol.4 of course it was nominated [TS]

00:58:49   for hugo award for the best graphic [TS]

00:58:51   presentation and so i read that i got [TS]

00:58:53   that I got that for free before being a [TS]

00:58:55   bugle voter and I liked it enough to say [TS]

00:58:58   I should probably read this from the [TS]

00:59:00   start and that's Joe Hill who stephen [TS]

00:59:01   king's kid [TS]

00:59:02   yeah and I thought that it's it's kind [TS]

00:59:05   of a darkened horrific and and yet I [TS]

00:59:07   thought I thought vol.4 from what i [TS]

00:59:10   could understand of it having not read [TS]

00:59:11   volumes 1-3 was actually pretty good and [TS]

00:59:14   I also read the latest on collection of [TS]

00:59:16   the unwritten because that was also Hugo [TS]

00:59:20   nominee was that what was that number [TS]

00:59:23   for number five Number Four [TS]

00:59:24   yeah because i just finished that one [TS]

00:59:26   and which is also kind of weird and dark [TS]

00:59:29   and strange and then what was the other [TS]

00:59:32   thing that i bought I bought another [TS]

00:59:33   book I bought a book for my kids that [TS]

00:59:36   was a one of those I'm not DC Super Pets [TS]

00:59:39   Tiny Titans that the art baltazar which [TS]

00:59:43   is a really great fun [TS]

00:59:45   they are fine because they're there it's [TS]

00:59:46   not just like comics for kids it's like [TS]

00:59:49   crazy you know turf like Braun and drawn [TS]

00:59:53   for kids and and really my want of [TS]

00:59:55   Animaniacs yeah yeah it's that kind of [TS]

00:59:57   thing it's almost that's like an [TS]

00:59:59   animated series [TS]

00:59:59   animated series [TS]

01:00:00   taken into a book but so that's what I'm [TS]

01:00:02   that's sort of what i've been looking [TS]

01:00:03   and then I've been rereading exiles [TS]

01:00:04   because I got off on that by reading the [TS]

01:00:08   the X extreme x-men by Greg park which [TS]

01:00:11   I'm excited about with the it's the [TS]

01:00:14   alternate it's kid Nightcrawler from [TS]

01:00:16   Brooklyn New York but it is Kurt Kurt [TS]

01:00:18   Wagner from Brooklyn New York and he's [TS]

01:00:20   hit he's 10 years old and he's blue and [TS]

01:00:23   he can teleport and then it's a it's a [TS]

01:00:25   James howlett the governor-general [TS]

01:00:26   Majesty's governor-general of [TS]

01:00:28   something-or-other but it's all to [TS]

01:00:30   Wolverine there's an all-time of emmalin [TS]

01:00:32   frost there's an old Emma Frost there's [TS]

01:00:34   a floating bubble containing the severed [TS]

01:00:37   head of Charles Xavier and the dazzler [TS]

01:00:40   and that's and that's a super team and [TS]

01:00:43   they go from alternate realities [TS]

01:00:44   alternate reality and I I think that's [TS]

01:00:46   gonna be good [TS]

01:00:47   this see that's what i'm reading Lisa on [TS]

01:00:49   what are you reading [TS]

01:00:51   I finally caught up on scalped which i [TS]

01:00:54   think is a serious that I may be the [TS]

01:00:55   only one reading right now is anyone the [TS]

01:00:57   chat room reading scalp than anywhere [TS]

01:00:59   else talk to speak to how awesome it is [TS]

01:01:01   or is it just me [TS]

01:01:02   anyone know i'm looking yeah there's a [TS]

01:01:06   delay will see what they said you know [TS]

01:01:08   it's as you know it's the it's the the [TS]

01:01:10   north at an indian reservation and it's [TS]

01:01:12   the lead character has been trying to [TS]

01:01:15   kick his heroin addiction spoiler not [TS]

01:01:17   going well and he's also trying to [TS]

01:01:20   figure their murders mom has his now [TS]

01:01:22   murdered mom was also involved in and I [TS]

01:01:25   think they're up to the seventh volume [TS]

01:01:26   and it's it's a fantastic series [TS]

01:01:28   especially if you do like if you do like [TS]

01:01:31   detective so I caught up on that [TS]

01:01:33   like I said I went back and I was [TS]

01:01:35   rereading Sandman as i was packing it [TS]

01:01:37   because he attempted to flip through and [TS]

01:01:39   next thing you know it's it's two hours [TS]

01:01:41   later you've just read through the [TS]

01:01:42   entire series [TS]

01:01:43   so when I went back and revisited that [TS]

01:01:45   and after I saw the Avengers I went and [TS]

01:01:51   I reread the first two volumes of the [TS]

01:01:54   ultimates i did the same thing yet [TS]

01:01:56   completely avoided volume Ultimates 310 [TS]

01:02:00   no no there's no there's nothing past [TS]

01:02:02   what you don't exactly yeah so we were [TS]

01:02:04   the first two and you know there was it [TS]

01:02:06   and I enjoy the pleasant bit of [TS]

01:02:08   cognitive dissonance between the [TS]

01:02:09   characters i had just seen on the screen [TS]

01:02:10   versus some the way that they were done [TS]

01:02:13   in the ultimates but at the same time I [TS]

01:02:15   also enjoyed being able to see what [TS]

01:02:17   parts the writers had picked and shows [TS]

01:02:19   as they went through and crafted the [TS]

01:02:21   movies because it's pretty evident that [TS]

01:02:23   the Ironmen adding rubber don't you just [TS]

01:02:26   put a stamp on it but it seems like a [TS]

01:02:28   lot of the basic parts they put in there [TS]

01:02:30   were four I think it's safe to say they [TS]

01:02:31   would not have been in avengers movie [TS]

01:02:33   you had there not been the ultimate ya [TS]

01:02:35   series a decade earlier which is funny [TS]

01:02:37   because i had that same feeling about [TS]

01:02:39   amazing spider-man that that that was [TS]

01:02:41   really the ultimate spider-man take on [TS]

01:02:44   spider-man much more than the club [TS]

01:02:46   whereas the the toby mcwire movies where [TS]

01:02:48   the classic kind of steve ditko Stanley [TS]

01:02:50   I i was feeling very very been to see [TS]

01:02:54   watching their amazing about ya new 52 [TS]

01:02:58   is are beginning to come out in trade so [TS]

01:02:59   I'm gonna be stocking up on those soon [TS]

01:03:01   and I'm stupid excited about the Gail [TS]

01:03:03   Simone ones which actually because i [TS]

01:03:05   have a couple of those i thought that i [TS]

01:03:07   thought the and Batgirl once we're going [TS]

01:03:09   and because i cannot go podcast that [TS]

01:03:10   mentioned Elsa known if you do like [TS]

01:03:13   police procedural comics and superheroes [TS]

01:03:16   in one tasty package she did write a [TS]

01:03:18   series for wildstorm call and I think I [TS]

01:03:21   think it's still ongoing actually called [TS]

01:03:22   welcome to tranquility where tranquility [TS]

01:03:24   is a retirement community for [TS]

01:03:25   superheroes and you of course start with [TS]

01:03:28   the new worky cop on the job and there [TS]

01:03:29   are of course murders and there it will [TS]

01:03:33   never ever be as dense as top 10 but [TS]

01:03:35   there are a lot of loving limoges to the [TS]

01:03:38   superhero cultures of the Golden Age the [TS]

01:03:41   Selfridge so on and so forth and you [TS]

01:03:44   know when you've got a when you've got a [TS]

01:03:45   internet villain called emoticon you [TS]

01:03:48   know it's been dragged home and [TS]

01:03:49   screaming into the 21st century so [TS]

01:03:50   that's that's recommendation if you want [TS]

01:03:52   something that you can read in afternoon [TS]

01:03:54   and welcome to tranquility if you want [TS]

01:03:56   something you can be over weekend three [TS]

01:03:57   top-10 alright Jason what are you [TS]

01:03:59   reading so talk to him [TS]

01:04:01   current comics yeah right ruby red top [TS]

01:04:04   ten last night [TS]

01:04:04   current comics that i'm reading are the [TS]

01:04:06   Avengers vs. x-men I'm [TS]

01:04:08   reading those digitally as well as the [TS]

01:04:11   new valiance which is kind of a remake [TS]

01:04:13   of the nineties right I'll which is [TS]

01:04:16   they're surprisingly good i'm enjoying [TS]

01:04:18   them and then I've as I sometimes fall [TS]

01:04:23   into a kind of going on a burn [TS]

01:04:25   mid-eighties kick and i just reread his [TS]

01:04:28   alpha flights which I love ya and his [TS]

01:04:32   she-hulk which i also love and she-hulk [TS]

01:04:35   I think anyone out there who's [TS]

01:04:36   interested in a fun comic is she hooks [TS]

01:04:39   and trade again and basically they broke [TS]

01:04:41   the fourth wall so she hulk know she's [TS]

01:04:43   in a comic and talks to john byrne in [TS]

01:04:47   the comic is often referred to was [TS]

01:04:48   burned and the other characters know [TS]

01:04:50   he's in a comic so he he lovingly plays [TS]

01:04:53   with the comic conceits and she talks to [TS]

01:05:00   him in the comments hysterical and a lot [TS]

01:05:03   of fun and its really great burn heart [TS]

01:05:07   so I've been doing that the one I'm most [TS]

01:05:09   excited about right now that's coming [TS]

01:05:11   out against in a few months is that was [TS]

01:05:13   just announced yesterday was that is the [TS]

01:05:14   mat fraction and Michael already ffs [TS]

01:05:18   which is evidently the inn in Marvel now [TS]

01:05:22   the Fantastic Four are going to go [TS]

01:05:23   offworld and ffr their replacements that [TS]

01:05:25   each of them get to choose who's going [TS]

01:05:27   to replace them to watch the earth while [TS]

01:05:29   they're gone so the team is she hulk [TS]

01:05:31   ant-man crafting when she woke my room [TS]

01:05:36   she-hulk a man somebody and a new [TS]

01:05:39   character called miss thing is hipster [TS]

01:05:43   girl in a robotic things suit and [TS]

01:05:47   because Johnny Storm happened to be [TS]

01:05:49   making out with her the night before or [TS]

01:05:51   something that he needed to make his [TS]

01:05:52   choice Jonny store [TS]

01:05:55   yeah it and so it kind of looks really [TS]

01:05:58   sort of hysterical and a lot of fun it's [TS]

01:06:00   michael do that so I'm hoping hoping it [TS]

01:06:02   captures a little bit of that extatic [TS]

01:06:04   feeling that I used to like and x-force [TS]

01:06:06   feeling because the artwork is there and [TS]

01:06:09   who doesn't love a character named Miss [TS]

01:06:10   thing around expected to be a drag queen [TS]

01:06:15   the eff eff idea i'm kind of fascinated [TS]

01:06:18   me the you know it's like fantastic for [TS]

01:06:20   family [TS]

01:06:21   it's the you know alternate because that [TS]

01:06:23   they killed Johnny Storm killed and then [TS]

01:06:26   they did FF for a while and then they [TS]

01:06:27   brought back fantastic four but the idea [TS]

01:06:29   of having this kind of like Reed [TS]

01:06:31   Richards you know group of of hangers-on [TS]

01:06:34   and you know alternate you know spin-off [TS]

01:06:37   character secondary characters it's kind [TS]

01:06:39   of an interesting idea [TS]

01:06:40   evidently they had four leave for a year [TS]

01:06:43   of their time but it's only four minutes [TS]

01:06:44   pass on earth and so the team is sitting [TS]

01:06:47   around and nothing protecting the earth [TS]

01:06:49   for those four minutes 4 minutes and [TS]

01:06:51   nothing happens and then Johnny I a [TS]

01:06:53   one-eyed one leg bearded johnny storm [TS]

01:06:55   comes through a door and saying and then [TS]

01:06:57   close it and says we can never open that [TS]

01:06:59   door again [TS]

01:07:01   yeah I'm really have high expectations [TS]

01:07:05   for this is awesome [TS]

01:07:06   yeah and now and now I must read it the [TS]

01:07:09   so this has been great we're gonna have [TS]

01:07:12   to do this again maybe we can and do it [TS]

01:07:14   soon and yes and maybe get a even get [TS]

01:07:17   some other people involved in the in the [TS]

01:07:19   comic book club by AT&T was added on [TS]

01:07:21   uncomfortable a little bit and I think [TS]

01:07:23   he would love he was the one who told me [TS]

01:07:25   to the Outer Limits and welcomed and [TS]

01:07:26   Benjamin is very much into it and [TS]

01:07:28   there's Jim that's the door who has i [TS]

01:07:30   should say his own comic podcast on [TS]

01:07:31   five-by-five you can go 25 TV / comic [TS]

01:07:35   shack and listen to james comic shack if [TS]

01:07:38   you would like out and do some cross [TS]

01:07:39   promotion there too so we're always [TS]

01:07:41   looking for ideas to talk about [TS]

01:07:43   yeah you can go 25 TV / contact put in [TS]

01:07:45   the incomparable and tell us what you [TS]

01:07:48   think we should read and that would be [TS]

01:07:50   great and you can also tweet it to at [TS]

01:07:52   the uncomfortable on on the Twitter and [TS]

01:07:55   we'll look there too so there's lots of [TS]

01:07:57   ways to reach us if you want to give us [TS]

01:07:59   some suggestions about what we should [TS]

01:08:00   read next because that's always a good [TS]

01:08:01   and we always get feedback on them [TS]

01:08:03   comfortable yeah absolutely [TS]

01:08:05   well thanks a lot for being here Lisa [TS]

01:08:07   thanks for coming down it was great and [TS]

01:08:10   Jason thanks for coming over and you [TS]

01:08:11   know it's good to see you don't see you [TS]

01:08:13   as much as I used to and it's nice [TS]

01:08:14   in the building like to be here alright [TS]

01:08:16   thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

01:08:17   listening to be uncomfortable until next [TS]

01:08:19   time this is jason's now goodbye [TS]

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