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104: Kids Have Bad Taste

 

00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 104 [TS]

00:00:11   artists 2012 [TS]

00:00:15   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:17   incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:19   snail and tonight's topic is being a [TS]

00:00:22   parent I have assembled a panel of [TS]

00:00:24   incomparable panelists who are parents [TS]

00:00:27   like I am and I thought we would talk a [TS]

00:00:30   little bit about what we the decisions [TS]

00:00:33   we make his parents for what we what we [TS]

00:00:37   expose our kids to in terms of the media [TS]

00:00:40   that we talked about on the show but in [TS]

00:00:41   terms of movies and TV and comic books [TS]

00:00:43   and things like that [TS]

00:00:44   what are the decisions that we make what [TS]

00:00:46   are the things that we're kind of [TS]

00:00:47   gleefully expecting to and anticipating [TS]

00:00:51   exposing our children to what stuff are [TS]

00:00:52   we trying to protect them from and and [TS]

00:00:56   the like so it's all about being a [TS]

00:00:58   parent and having kids on the [TS]

00:01:00   incomparable so my panel tonight [TS]

00:01:02   first off damn Frank's hi Dan hello [TS]

00:01:05   Jason [TS]

00:01:06   thanks for having me you have two [TS]

00:01:08   daughters [TS]

00:01:10   yes two daughters thank you and their [TS]

00:01:13   ages 6 and 4 6 and for all right [TS]

00:01:18   also joining us is ben boychuk been you [TS]

00:01:21   have a son and a daughter [TS]

00:01:24   can you get wrecked their ages please [TS]

00:01:25   yes my son Benjamin is 10 and my [TS]

00:01:29   daughter isabella is for wow alright [TS]

00:01:32   can't believe management's 10 I can't [TS]

00:01:33   believe it is I know it now [TS]

00:01:35   Timeflies yes well you did those [TS]

00:01:38   ten-year-olds it is amazing that Voice [TS]

00:01:40   you heard is Lisa Schmeisser lisa has a [TS]

00:01:43   daughter who is one year old [TS]

00:01:45   yes yes she is and she's almost too and [TS]

00:01:49   she's only one month's it's crazy I [TS]

00:01:51   can't believe she's almost him well my [TS]

00:01:53   question is that what age do i stop [TS]

00:01:55   referring to her in in terms of months [TS]

00:01:57   when did you guys make the shift because [TS]

00:01:59   22 that you don't cross 24 yeah that's [TS]

00:02:04   the rule [TS]

00:02:04   ok The Voice you heard there is John [TS]

00:02:07   siracusa who has a son and a daughter [TS]

00:02:09   correct sorry i have an eight-year-old [TS]

00:02:11   boy named alex and a five-year-old girl [TS]

00:02:13   named Kate alright excellent and Steve [TS]

00:02:18   let's is also here Believe It or Not [TS]

00:02:20   Steve let his children [TS]

00:02:22   yes I successfully breeded [TS]

00:02:25   problem shocked all and-and-and are you [TS]

00:02:30   have a boy and a girl or both or both [TS]

00:02:32   girls I do have one of each one of a [TS]

00:02:34   nine-year-old daughter and a [TS]

00:02:35   five-year-old son five-year-old son [TS]

00:02:38   excellent also joining us is Glenn [TS]

00:02:40   fleischmann Glenn you have two sons what [TS]

00:02:43   are their ages five and one just turned [TS]

00:02:47   eight a couple days ago [TS]

00:02:48   yes yes i should say that that a that [TS]

00:02:51   Glenn son and my son were born on the [TS]

00:02:53   same day the after the same day it was a [TS]

00:02:56   harmonic convergence really cool i can [TS]

00:02:58   find out anything Jason's playing on his [TS]

00:02:59   editorial calendar by asking them [TS]

00:03:01   yes very useful it's just it goes from [TS]

00:03:03   ben from Glen to bend to Julian to me [TS]

00:03:05   and then back amazing and i should say [TS]

00:03:09   that I have two children my daughter [TS]

00:03:12   Jamie is 10 and my son Julian just [TS]

00:03:15   turned eight so which is pretty crazy so [TS]

00:03:19   so that's that's the readout those are [TS]

00:03:22   those are the facts so I don't know I i [TS]

00:03:27   guess the first thing I i think i'd like [TS]

00:03:28   to ask you guys is off [TS]

00:03:30   was there something you know at what [TS]

00:03:32   this could be something that's already [TS]

00:03:33   happened or something that's in your [TS]

00:03:34   future it you know what is there [TS]

00:03:36   something that you particularly been [TS]

00:03:37   anticipating or really anticipated in [TS]

00:03:40   terms of oh I can't wait to to show this [TS]

00:03:43   thing that I love to my kids because [TS]

00:03:45   they're going to love it and I'm [TS]

00:03:47   interested in hearing how that went to [TS]

00:03:49   because i'd imagine i'd imagine [TS]

00:03:51   sometimes you for you discover that they [TS]

00:03:53   don't care about it I as much as you [TS]

00:03:56   would hope and my example be that i [TS]

00:03:58   showed my my daughter star wars i think [TS]

00:04:00   a little bit too early and then I [TS]

00:04:02   explained I explained to her that it had [TS]

00:04:04   a princess Senate which probably was [TS]

00:04:06   overselling it just a tad and and she [TS]

00:04:09   found it incredibly boring and i think [TS]

00:04:11   this was when she was maybe I don't know [TS]

00:04:13   five or six and i waited another year or [TS]

00:04:17   two and showed it to her again and then [TS]

00:04:19   she thought it was great but i but i [TS]

00:04:21   remember being really disappointed that [TS]

00:04:22   I i had had the handheld out and not [TS]

00:04:25   shown her star wars even though they [TS]

00:04:27   were toys and she'd seen that the people [TS]

00:04:29   the characters and all that i held out [TS]

00:04:33   and I thought okay now now i can show [TS]

00:04:35   you this is going to be a momentous time [TS]

00:04:37   in my life where I'm fine [TS]

00:04:38   showing my daughter star wars and she [TS]

00:04:41   was like totally bored and would have [TS]

00:04:42   rather just watched you know the little [TS]

00:04:44   mermaid or sleeping beauty again so [TS]

00:04:46   that's mine but so and of course it's a [TS]

00:04:49   sad story but i'm just wondering what [TS]

00:04:51   will you guys just brought down the road [TS]

00:04:53   and disappointed i made a similar [TS]

00:04:55   mistake oh yeah I I let my son watch all [TS]

00:05:00   six in order i mean in 126 which was a [TS]

00:05:05   mistake so you started with the prequels [TS]

00:05:07   I should have [TS]

00:05:08   yeah I should have acted well I should [TS]

00:05:10   never have exposed him to the prequels [TS]

00:05:11   at all because that was yeah that's [TS]

00:05:14   that's child abuse that was better [TS]

00:05:17   ya know that I I a bit not only child [TS]

00:05:20   abuse i had to relive you know it i had [TS]

00:05:22   to experience another two weeks of [TS]

00:05:24   depression having having seen those [TS]

00:05:27   again but yeah he preferred the prequels [TS]

00:05:30   to the originals and and i realized at [TS]

00:05:33   that point that I was a terrible [TS]

00:05:34   terrible father and I won't make it [TS]

00:05:37   I won't make the same mistake with bella [TS]

00:05:38   but you live and you learn [TS]

00:05:42   see I expected this would be the moment [TS]

00:05:44   that John John siracusa would would [TS]

00:05:47   explain his detailed his detailed [TS]

00:05:51   strategy for keeping the prequels away [TS]

00:05:53   from his children [TS]

00:05:55   I'm Justin finally shaking my head [TS]

00:05:57   terrible terrible decision like that [TS]

00:06:00   this is what's weird about those [TS]

00:06:01   decisions it's not you didn't know like [TS]

00:06:04   everyone here knew what like we we knew [TS]

00:06:07   about the prequels the kids are born at [TS]

00:06:08   this retirement after the prequels came [TS]

00:06:11   out we knew that these things were out [TS]

00:06:12   there that they were dangerous for our [TS]

00:06:13   children and you just you you chose you [TS]

00:06:17   chose to bring that into your home like [TS]

00:06:19   noticed your arm like you talk about [TS]

00:06:22   sharing something you love what I have [TS]

00:06:24   what are you sharing something you love [TS]

00:06:25   by including something that every [TS]

00:06:28   right-thinking person hates in at the [TS]

00:06:30   same time i will tell you what i wanted [TS]

00:06:31   to do i tell you what i wanted to do i I [TS]

00:06:33   I wanted to teach a lesson [TS]

00:06:36   Stephanie look it's a good and bad taste [TS]

00:06:41   of sun i'm just waiting on your report [TS]

00:06:45   card sit down because it's time for the [TS]

00:06:47   clone war [TS]

00:06:48   this is for your own good [TS]

00:06:50   I was wrong I was wrong I failed [TS]

00:06:54   oh it's jason the questions kind of [TS]

00:06:57   intriguing because i was thinking that [TS]

00:07:00   for me one of the hardest things is [TS]

00:07:01   going to be sitting back and letting my [TS]

00:07:03   daughter come to her own independent [TS]

00:07:04   judgment on the things I think are cool [TS]

00:07:06   or really like right I'm for example [TS]

00:07:10   I've saved nearly all of my childhood [TS]

00:07:11   books and I thought well I could try and [TS]

00:07:14   in crime down her throat with all you've [TS]

00:07:16   got to read this is so great or i could [TS]

00:07:18   hope to discover some on her own and [TS]

00:07:19   then talk to her about them but i was [TS]

00:07:22   thinking about how one of the biggest [TS]

00:07:24   pleasures of my childhood was [TS]

00:07:26   discovering different books on my own [TS]

00:07:28   and discovering different TV shows on my [TS]

00:07:30   own and the idea of getting to know my [TS]

00:07:34   own taste was was really you know I [TS]

00:07:37   think it's one of the biggest thrills [TS]

00:07:38   you can have the developing person and [TS]

00:07:41   it's different from the experience you [TS]

00:07:42   have on your parents to down to watch a [TS]

00:07:43   movie that they love and you're like [TS]

00:07:45   okay you know because because my parents [TS]

00:07:48   will get upset if my brother and I got [TS]

00:07:50   up and walked out during the middle of a [TS]

00:07:51   movie that wasn't showing on on saturday [TS]

00:07:53   afternoon or if we made fun of it or if [TS]

00:07:55   we could understand what the big deal [TS]

00:07:56   was so I thought that perhaps the best [TS]

00:07:59   approaches to make sure the stuff is [TS]

00:08:00   just kind of lying around the house and [TS]

00:08:01   she picks it up or she happens to watch [TS]

00:08:03   it great but I'm not trying to I'm not [TS]

00:08:08   trying to implicate her with my taste [TS]

00:08:10   if that makes sense you know I i would [TS]

00:08:13   rather that she did I would rather do [TS]

00:08:15   what i can to to help her develop her [TS]

00:08:17   own taste and and with luck we'll have [TS]

00:08:18   some overlap [TS]

00:08:21   but you have to bear in mind i'm talking [TS]

00:08:23   about somebody who thinks that c is for [TS]

00:08:25   cookies is the highest formulation land [TS]

00:08:27   right now [TS]

00:08:27   yeah it coming up to you still got time [TS]

00:08:29   to to swerve and realize oh god I need [TS]

00:08:32   to do something now or this is gonna go [TS]

00:08:34   really horribly wrong now [TS]

00:08:37   well you know what more did totally [TS]

00:08:39   different period cuz we don't let her [TS]

00:08:40   watch TV so you know we have all that [TS]

00:08:43   stuff still head of us where what TV do [TS]

00:08:45   let her watch or what movies can we see [TS]

00:08:47   what is there something that you've got [TS]

00:08:49   that you're thinking I can't wait until [TS]

00:08:51   i can show this to her when she's your [TS]

00:08:52   whether it's TV or a book or whatever [TS]

00:08:54   the incredibles okay yeah fine elbow [TS]

00:08:56   alpha album i can't wait to show the [TS]

00:08:58   incredibles or a bug's life or a [TS]

00:09:00   ratatouille or any or or very nearly any [TS]

00:09:03   of the other pixar movies there there [TS]

00:09:06   are exceptions but sure but generally [TS]

00:09:11   yeah the brave i'm not showing your [TS]

00:09:12   brave but the rest are fine [TS]

00:09:14   mhm fair enough so Steve anything in [TS]

00:09:17   particular that you have you know [TS]

00:09:19   showing your kids or have anticipated [TS]

00:09:20   one day being able to share with your [TS]

00:09:22   kids you know weirdly enough i think [TS]

00:09:25   most of the stuff that you know the star [TS]

00:09:28   wars in the Indiana Jones is at the of [TS]

00:09:30   the world as far as movies are concerned [TS]

00:09:32   we kind of already shown up in my [TS]

00:09:34   daughter's nine so she seemed like she [TS]

00:09:36   was kind of ready for all that stuff and [TS]

00:09:38   the five-year-old you know you can't [TS]

00:09:39   really make him leave the room there's [TS]

00:09:42   really no way to prevent a five-year-old [TS]

00:09:44   boy from being wherever he wants to be [TS]

00:09:46   unless you physically chain him up in [TS]

00:09:48   the yard to a post or something back [TS]

00:09:50   yards to the neighbors can't see right [TS]

00:09:52   generally yeah unless we want to send a [TS]

00:09:54   message to the neighbors as well so most [TS]

00:09:58   of that stuff i mean we've done a [TS]

00:09:59   pirates of the caribbean I bust out with [TS]

00:10:01   monty python a couple of months ago and [TS]

00:10:04   we watched a couple episodes of flying [TS]

00:10:06   circus and they they actually enjoyed [TS]

00:10:09   that surprisingly that was gonna be my [TS]

00:10:10   question is is you've deployed these [TS]

00:10:12   things that our beloved but did they [TS]

00:10:14   work to some extent well Monty Python [TS]

00:10:19   obviously they liked the silly sketches [TS]

00:10:21   they love confuse a cat you know where [TS]

00:10:23   there is just insane stuff going on I [TS]

00:10:25   think it kind of appeals to their sort [TS]

00:10:26   of the general insanity that children [TS]

00:10:28   always live in there you know it's [TS]

00:10:33   interesting my son has act [TS]

00:10:34   the experience most of these things [TS]

00:10:36   through through the lego video games [TS]

00:10:39   oh yes playthrough legostarwars he's [TS]

00:10:41   played through lego pirates of the [TS]

00:10:42   caribbean he's played through lego harry [TS]

00:10:43   potter and when we watch the movies most [TS]

00:10:47   of the time you'll say something along [TS]

00:10:48   the lines of oh yeah that's a that's a [TS]

00:10:50   chapter 4 episode 3 or whatever you know [TS]

00:10:54   their name whichever portion of the lego [TS]

00:10:56   game it is so his experience first was [TS]

00:10:58   pretty much always the lego game and [TS]

00:11:00   then the movie second my kids haven't [TS]

00:11:02   seen anything in Indiana Jones movies [TS]

00:11:04   yet but they know the plots of all of [TS]

00:11:06   all three of the original movies because [TS]

00:11:08   they're usually go [TS]

00:11:09   yeah my nephew's the same with Batman [TS]

00:11:11   date they know all they know Batman's [TS]

00:11:12   entire rogues gallery right from lego [TS]

00:11:15   batman oh yeah my kids to that every [TS]

00:11:17   lego game they have it and they've [TS]

00:11:19   committed to memory and lego star wars [TS]

00:11:20   which is I really the only serious [TS]

00:11:24   prequel well they've seen two of the [TS]

00:11:26   prequels but that you know only like [TS]

00:11:28   once and then we thought better of it [TS]

00:11:29   but they know the plot from the lego [TS]

00:11:32   games really of the of the couple of [TS]

00:11:36   things that i'm still waiting to share [TS]

00:11:38   with my kids one of his music and [TS]

00:11:41   thatthat's just simply because as far as [TS]

00:11:43   i can tell kids don't really get music [TS]

00:11:45   until they start to get angsty and and [TS]

00:11:50   then it actually kinda makes some sense [TS]

00:11:51   to them apart from you know that they'll [TS]

00:11:53   jump around the room two kids Bob or [TS]

00:11:55   whatever [TS]

00:11:56   actually my daughter is very into top 40 [TS]

00:11:58   pop music which is one place where I [TS]

00:12:00   have failed miserably [TS]

00:12:01   already the everybody everybody has to [TS]

00:12:04   go through that right [TS]

00:12:05   uu yeah but in terms of actually sitting [TS]

00:12:08   down enjoying music with my kids that [TS]

00:12:10   hasn't happened yet i'm really looking [TS]

00:12:11   forward to that and then and then [TS]

00:12:13   possibly coming up this october i might [TS]

00:12:17   slowly start to introduce my daughter to [TS]

00:12:20   a some horror movies [TS]

00:12:22   whoo Wow which is something that which [TS]

00:12:26   is something that I shared with my mom [TS]

00:12:28   as I was growing up because we both were [TS]

00:12:30   very into horror movies and you don't [TS]

00:12:32   like to sleep is what you're saying that [TS]

00:12:33   you like to wake up at 2am by crying [TS]

00:12:35   children well well that's the reason [TS]

00:12:37   we've avoided them to date my dad shared [TS]

00:12:39   his favorite horror movie with me at 13 [TS]

00:12:42   when I was 13 and what was that the [TS]

00:12:44   exorcist [TS]

00:12:46   oh that's a good one to start with hall [TS]

00:12:48   my god yes 4 first first horror movie [TS]

00:12:51   ever soft i was 13 02 and and I i can't [TS]

00:12:55   i can't handle it to this day i would [TS]

00:12:58   say that was a bad move on Dad's player [TS]

00:13:00   yeah well what makes it worse as we were [TS]

00:13:02   Catholic so it is a true we believe it [TS]

00:13:06   was responsible truth more lifestyle [TS]

00:13:08   through stories [TS]

00:13:09   yeah they do based on a true story and [TS]

00:13:11   you know we had seen the Georgetown [TS]

00:13:12   steps and then my dad's like oh you know [TS]

00:13:15   urban legend has it that bad things [TS]

00:13:17   happen on the set and and oh my god [TS]

00:13:20   canada notes I selected the lights on [TS]

00:13:23   for like a week action [TS]

00:13:25   Steve hot what would you introduce your [TS]

00:13:27   daughter too and for how would you do [TS]

00:13:29   that I don't know I'm not sure it's it's [TS]

00:13:32   something that I'm I'm kind of playing [TS]

00:13:33   with right now because certainly you [TS]

00:13:35   could go with maybe the universal [TS]

00:13:37   monster movies but those are so cheesy [TS]

00:13:40   you know there's they're not really [TS]

00:13:40   actually scary and i'm not even be [TS]

00:13:42   entertaining at this point to a modern [TS]

00:13:45   kit [TS]

00:13:46   although perhaps they would just because [TS]

00:13:48   she she really hasn't been exposed to [TS]

00:13:49   much along those lines [TS]

00:13:51   what i have been doing lately is we've [TS]

00:13:53   been sitting down and watching the [TS]

00:13:55   occasional Twilight Zone episode [TS]

00:13:56   ok excellent huh and I think that serves [TS]

00:13:59   as a pretty good starter we've we've [TS]

00:14:00   gone through should right now we haven't [TS]

00:14:02   done anything that's super weird [TS]

00:14:04   we watched time enough at last the [TS]

00:14:07   burgess Meredith episode yeah glasses at [TS]

00:14:10   the end [TS]

00:14:10   yes yes I did that with my son he didn't [TS]

00:14:14   take that was the first my dad watched [TS]

00:14:16   with me and in size which is we've [TS]

00:14:18   established all burgess Meredith needs [TS]

00:14:20   to do is feel this way down to [TS]

00:14:21   lenscrafters yes she was she was [TS]

00:14:25   suitably intrigued by that which i was i [TS]

00:14:27   was pleased with that's encouraging it [TS]

00:14:29   made me very very happy so will perhaps [TS]

00:14:32   move into something certainly not a [TS]

00:14:35   modern or a movie because those are kind [TS]

00:14:37   of gone over the top is and we discussed [TS]

00:14:38   once before on this podcast yes maybe [TS]

00:14:42   maybe we'll start in on Night of the [TS]

00:14:46   Living Dead which is fairly subdued the [TS]

00:14:50   black-and-white that the black-and-white [TS]

00:14:52   I think takes it away a little bit takes [TS]

00:14:55   away some of the horror put in the mind [TS]

00:14:57   instead of on the screen [TS]

00:14:58   it's much better right there's no better [TS]

00:15:00   one or two scenes i'm a little concerned [TS]

00:15:02   about just because they they actually [TS]

00:15:03   are a little bit gory but the [TS]

00:15:04   interesting thing is my daughter is very [TS]

00:15:06   very into that kind of stuff it's [TS]

00:15:10   strange we have a we have kind of a [TS]

00:15:12   illustrated anatomy primer for kids and [TS]

00:15:16   she always seems to focus on like the [TS]

00:15:18   skin diseases and flesh-eating bacteria [TS]

00:15:22   and that kind of thing that's she's [TS]

00:15:24   she's very dangerous is your kids do [TS]

00:15:26   she's well she's not pretty much it [TS]

00:15:30   that's that's great I i am the last year [TS]

00:15:33   we watched the new season of doctor who [TS]

00:15:37   is a family which the first time we sort [TS]

00:15:39   of watch the episodes without screening [TS]

00:15:40   them and sort of saying well you know [TS]

00:15:43   you might not like this one it's a [TS]

00:15:44   little scary and of course that's a show [TS]

00:15:45   that is meant to be watched by families [TS]

00:15:47   in when it in the UK it's it's intended [TS]

00:15:50   as a family show and and we watched the [TS]

00:15:53   first episode of last season which has [TS]

00:15:55   the silence which of those scary [TS]

00:15:57   big-headed aliens that that kill people [TS]

00:16:00   in her and you can't remember them when [TS]

00:16:02   you turn away from them and and and my [TS]

00:16:04   son was like having nightmares and come [TS]

00:16:07   crawling into bed with us afterward and [TS]

00:16:08   my wife was very upset with me and I [TS]

00:16:10   just was smiling because I'm like no [TS]

00:16:12   it's a pretty supposed to be scared [TS]

00:16:13   that's all [TS]

00:16:14   your rite of passage its heart it's but [TS]

00:16:16   supposed to be gently scaring just a [TS]

00:16:18   little bit scary [TS]

00:16:19   dan do you have anything that you're [TS]

00:16:21   particularly you need that you've been [TS]

00:16:22   introducing to your to your daughters or [TS]

00:16:24   are planning to we haven't done too much [TS]

00:16:27   with movies yet because I daughters are [TS]

00:16:29   still a little young as a matter of fact [TS]

00:16:31   we took we took them both my older [TS]

00:16:34   daughter seen brave twice the first time [TS]

00:16:37   she was fine the second time she got [TS]

00:16:39   really scared by all the violent scenes [TS]

00:16:41   in the scary scenes so then the younger [TS]

00:16:43   daughter insisted on going [TS]

00:16:45   I'm said oh no it's fine i'm not scared [TS]

00:16:48   ended up being really scared so I think [TS]

00:16:49   those kind of things are just a little [TS]

00:16:51   early so yeah um but we do have a lot of [TS]

00:16:55   movies you want them to see but right [TS]

00:16:57   now I think the thing that we've been [TS]

00:16:59   doing is interesting to a lot of music [TS]

00:17:01   because both my wife and I are huge [TS]

00:17:03   music fans I mean I grew up you know [TS]

00:17:06   with music on 24 hours a day even in [TS]

00:17:08   class because I'm the kid with the one [TS]

00:17:10   earphone in [TS]

00:17:11   here while the teachers giving a lecture [TS]

00:17:13   and stuff so I was a big music fan [TS]

00:17:15   growing up and so to me I think more [TS]

00:17:18   than like movies and TV shows i want [TS]

00:17:21   them to appreciate music and a wide [TS]

00:17:23   range of it and so far we've been we've [TS]

00:17:26   been surprised for one thing they both [TS]

00:17:27   love music they always want to turn [TS]

00:17:29   music on when they go to bed at night [TS]

00:17:30   they're asking for specific things they [TS]

00:17:33   know the lyrics to a lot of songs [TS]

00:17:36   already even though there are 64 which [TS]

00:17:39   is unfortunately why we bought a Kidz [TS]

00:17:42   Bop album how because they were reciting [TS]

00:17:46   lyrics that we didn't like them reciting [TS]

00:17:48   it's been fascinating watching my [TS]

00:17:51   daughter try to learn the lyrics to [TS]

00:17:52   songs [TS]

00:17:53   yeah she does that now yeah I'm much [TS]

00:17:55   more with and this is not just a music [TS]

00:17:57   this is just a good general thing that [TS]

00:17:59   I'm sure you can all agree with it i [TS]

00:18:01   took lyrics just lyrics and words and TV [TS]

00:18:06   shows and the things in TV commercials I [TS]

00:18:07   just they kind of just were there until [TS]

00:18:10   I had kids and now listen they're like [TS]

00:18:12   what did he say a week [TS]

00:18:14   turn it off you know it's I'm so matter [TS]

00:18:16   where now of what is being said in [TS]

00:18:19   everything you can do that because then [TS]

00:18:21   they immediately kyon yeah right don't [TS]

00:18:24   think I said there's a good luck classic [TS]

00:18:26   youtube video called help the police [TS]

00:18:27   which is a british couple driving with [TS]

00:18:30   their kids in the back and the F the [TS]

00:18:32   police song comes on the radio and and [TS]

00:18:35   and he just keeps his hand on the dial [TS]

00:18:37   and they substitute in help the police [TS]

00:18:40   and other ways you can be friendly and [TS]

00:18:42   help the police as they turn down the [TS]

00:18:44   volume every time there's a bad word and [TS]

00:18:46   I had myself doing a lot of loud [TS]

00:18:48   unexpected coughing and oh yeah right [TS]

00:18:50   radio right now because you're right i [TS]

00:18:52   mean you can't you can't just all of a [TS]

00:18:54   sudden reach for the radio turn it off [TS]

00:18:55   and then they say what's wrong like oh [TS]

00:18:57   that was words we don't want to hear [TS]

00:18:59   because then they want to hear them [TS]

00:19:00   right now you know I agree so we we try [TS]

00:19:03   to suddenly you know steer attention [TS]

00:19:05   hopeful hey [TS]

00:19:06   but but but music is a big thing for us [TS]

00:19:09   and so that's that's what we're we're [TS]

00:19:11   excited that our kids are liking music [TS]

00:19:13   and we're excited to introduce the more [TS]

00:19:15   things as they get older who if I left [TS]

00:19:17   out John siracusa do you have a you have [TS]

00:19:19   any tales of introducing your kids two [TS]

00:19:22   things that you love or or or two [TS]

00:19:25   that you're planning on that you have [TS]

00:19:27   strategized about I'm the star wars [TS]

00:19:29   front mostly what I was concerned about [TS]

00:19:31   was not so much like oh I need my kids [TS]

00:19:33   to see Star Wars and like it like I do [TS]

00:19:35   love you know of course you have that [TS]

00:19:37   feeling my main concern was to ensure [TS]

00:19:39   that what they thought of as Star Wars [TS]

00:19:42   was what I thought of his star and so I [TS]

00:19:46   knew that once they came became [TS]

00:19:48   school-aged and like got older all their [TS]

00:19:51   friends who have parents that don't know [TS]

00:19:54   these rules are going to be telling them [TS]

00:19:56   about that the paper and so I had I had [TS]

00:20:00   to cement in their little minds that [TS]

00:20:03   star wars Luke Skywalker Princess Leia [TS]

00:20:06   Han Solo Chewbacca c-3po you know like I [TS]

00:20:08   had like that is star wars so that by [TS]

00:20:10   the time they inevitably enter the world [TS]

00:20:12   of their peers in kindergarten and you [TS]

00:20:14   know and regular elementary school and [TS]

00:20:16   all their friends tell the model is [TS]

00:20:17   pretty cool stuff that will be like like [TS]

00:20:20   explain expanded universe John if you [TS]

00:20:23   don't explain the prequels to your kids [TS]

00:20:24   are only gonna hear about it on the [TS]

00:20:26   street man hit us the thing i knew they [TS]

00:20:30   were going to hear about it from their [TS]

00:20:31   friends I just wanted to really lay down [TS]

00:20:35   those tracks of like this is what star [TS]

00:20:37   wars is it and I almost didn't care so [TS]

00:20:39   much if they were like excited like that [TS]

00:20:41   or whenever I just wanted to think of [TS]

00:20:42   this star wars and then this is other [TS]

00:20:44   crazy stuff and I know it's weird to use [TS]

00:20:45   expanding universe to explain to the [TS]

00:20:47   expanding universe is a real thing with [TS]

00:20:48   the star wars universe but i'm i'm [TS]

00:20:50   trying to say let's push the prequels [TS]

00:20:52   out in right there's the cannon right [TS]

00:20:55   and then there's the like sort of non [TS]

00:20:57   you know not really cannon right and I [TS]

00:21:00   was like this out there push the [TS]

00:21:02   prequels because this star wars games [TS]

00:21:03   like they play lego star wars always [TS]

00:21:05   saying something like a nice nap so what [TS]

00:21:06   I did was I showed those like the Star [TS]

00:21:08   Wars version of the Nicene Creed where [TS]

00:21:10   you just decided what's dr. no it's not [TS]

00:21:12   it's it's started storing those Amish I [TS]

00:21:15   think he's raising the star wars Amish [TS]

00:21:16   Italy we believe in one star in the [TS]

00:21:19   galaxy far far away where the Skywalker [TS]

00:21:21   is the protagonist believe in three star [TS]

00:21:23   wars so i showed my on my son a new hope [TS]

00:21:27   first it's strictly the trigger oh yeah [TS]

00:21:31   run the risk of having the ostracized [TS]

00:21:33   kids who can't talk the prequels with [TS]

00:21:35   their little friends on the playground [TS]

00:21:36   you like the kids who didn't have TV [TS]

00:21:38   they're gonna start knocking on doors [TS]

00:21:39   have you like this is anyone else having [TS]

00:21:42   like imagine a little circus on the [TS]

00:21:43   playground like chastising his his [TS]

00:21:46   fellow six-year-olds that like this is [TS]

00:21:48   not always be signs are only three [TS]

00:21:51   movies and Star Wars of the unbelievers [TS]

00:21:55   the unbelievers in the name of the son [TS]

00:21:58   and of the father that's impossible and [TS]

00:22:01   the force but loading Yoda say I wasn't [TS]

00:22:06   trying to turn them into like a [TS]

00:22:07   preacher's for this the gospel type [TS]

00:22:09   thing all you have to do is just expose [TS]

00:22:11   the original movies and it's not Michael [TS]

00:22:14   807 will see the kids you know i didn't [TS]

00:22:18   i didn't want them to go out there like [TS]

00:22:19   I knew they were gonna be told those [TS]

00:22:20   other movies and I'm i was sure that [TS]

00:22:23   those other movies were going to appeal [TS]

00:22:24   to them I just wanted to get there first [TS]

00:22:26   basically and so I showed my children a [TS]

00:22:28   new hope when they were old enough to [TS]

00:22:30   take it is not particularly scary but [TS]

00:22:32   you know that kind of exciting whatever [TS]

00:22:34   and I let that settle in i'll let them [TS]

00:22:35   you know [TS]

00:22:36   hey can i watch Star Wars again and they [TS]

00:22:37   were just got to keep showing the New [TS]

00:22:38   Hope over and over again like every time [TS]

00:22:40   I ask for starters i will show the man [TS]

00:22:41   your help and then when my son was older [TS]

00:22:43   I said okay now he's ready for Empire [TS]

00:22:45   probably maybe a show to do a little bit [TS]

00:22:46   too early but I was there with them he [TS]

00:22:48   made it through he was ok and then same [TS]

00:22:50   type of you can see Empire few times I [TS]

00:22:52   tried to simulate the experience of like [TS]

00:22:54   don't destroy all three at once like I I [TS]

00:22:57   let him know after he's seen the first [TS]

00:22:59   Star Wars movie 19 times like you know [TS]

00:23:00   is another one of these and he's like [TS]

00:23:02   really oh cool watch that right and then [TS]

00:23:04   after Empire was a little shaken up and [TS]

00:23:05   we watched Empire until we became [TS]

00:23:06   comfortable with whatever then a little [TS]

00:23:07   later it's like you want to see how the [TS]

00:23:09   story turns out and then the final and I [TS]

00:23:11   think that simulated in compressed form [TS]

00:23:14   the proper experience of star wars which [TS]

00:23:16   is to watch the three movies but some [TS]

00:23:17   sort of gap between them which one year [TS]

00:23:18   you know three and four and five years [TS]

00:23:20   old [TS]

00:23:21   those gaps in you know even though it's [TS]

00:23:22   like two months it seems like a long [TS]

00:23:23   time i'm starting to picture scenes from [TS]

00:23:25   Walden to hear as you describe this [TS]

00:23:29   it ends at the enjoyed you know how did [TS]

00:23:32   you get the eye hooks on the top and [TS]

00:23:34   bottom eyelids did you drop like while [TS]

00:23:36   they're watching the president thing I I [TS]

00:23:38   let them like you know I didn't I didn't [TS]

00:23:40   push the movies on the mind i showed [TS]

00:23:42   them like you know you show them like [TS]

00:23:43   the case for the DVD and save your [TS]

00:23:45   interested that's what I never liked and [TS]

00:23:46   if your instant didn't and they said no [TS]

00:23:48   them in the first couple times I showed [TS]

00:23:50   both of them they weren't they weren't [TS]

00:23:51   interested in it also i said all right [TS]

00:23:53   you're not interested you know I [TS]

00:23:54   definitely did not push it on and I [TS]

00:23:55   wanted them to come to it in the same [TS]

00:23:57   type of way and eventually the here's [TS]

00:23:59   the bad thing about this eventually they [TS]

00:24:01   got through them and now it's like a [TS]

00:24:02   star wars that's old hat like they're [TS]

00:24:04   out of that phase already and they're [TS]

00:24:05   like the easy eight years old and star [TS]

00:24:07   wars all had moved on like magic cards [TS]

00:24:09   or whatever you know obviously just take [TS]

00:24:11   a step further use actual aversion [TS]

00:24:13   therapy so you show the first three [TS]

00:24:14   movies is a terrifying horrible [TS]

00:24:16   circumstances and a way that's illegal [TS]

00:24:18   yeah probably that's just showing them [TS]

00:24:20   the first movies that have a compact in [TS]

00:24:23   with the exact tried that didn't work [TS]

00:24:25   that sad fact of the modern world we [TS]

00:24:27   live in that there's so much other [TS]

00:24:28   entertainment available that you never [TS]

00:24:30   really sit down and focus on one thing I [TS]

00:24:32   mean all we had with Star Wars man yeah [TS]

00:24:34   unless you wanted to enjoy battle beyond [TS]

00:24:37   the stars spouse are not like every time [TS]

00:24:39   we watched the videotape got a little [TS]

00:24:40   worse and worse yeah yeah a [TS]

00:24:42   little-little stretched out now the guy [TS]

00:24:45   i think one of the problems with the [TS]

00:24:46   prequels is and there are so many but [TS]

00:24:49   one of them is if you if you start with [TS]

00:24:51   the prequels you end up with this idea [TS]

00:24:54   that this is a story about this kid who [TS]

00:24:56   grows up to be Darth Vader which is a is [TS]

00:25:00   a totally different take on it then if [TS]

00:25:02   you think it's the story of this kid [TS]

00:25:04   Luke Skywalker and this bad guy Darth [TS]

00:25:06   Vader and the other problem with the [TS]

00:25:07   prequels is if you try to watch them in [TS]

00:25:09   in that correct order the third movies [TS]

00:25:11   pg-13 you know third movies Roth third [TS]

00:25:14   movie is is way rougher than the other [TS]

00:25:16   five [TS]

00:25:17   yeah and you know my kids haven't seen [TS]

00:25:20   episode 3 and we do have it in the house [TS]

00:25:23   we are not a kosher family like the [TS]

00:25:25   Syracuse's but we've got in our house to [TS]

00:25:28   just have never seen it [TS]

00:25:30   that's in the vault yeah it's sitting on [TS]

00:25:32   the shelf next to all the other movies [TS]

00:25:34   they can go up there at any time read [TS]

00:25:35   the spine who say look at that star wars [TS]

00:25:37   episode 3 [TS]

00:25:39   well but but the family episode 3 is is [TS]

00:25:42   that too so you if you want to watch one [TS]

00:25:44   through six I i have a problem with with [TS]

00:25:46   that third episode because it's it's um [TS]

00:25:48   it's rougher it's just it'sit's a darker [TS]

00:25:51   thing and for our kids you know I'm [TS]

00:25:53   trying we've seen a few pg-13 movies but [TS]

00:25:56   you know especially with really violent [TS]

00:25:57   stuff I'm a little hesitant and and you [TS]

00:25:59   know my son is super sensitive to the [TS]

00:26:03   scary sound effects and scary music and [TS]

00:26:05   actually more than things that he sees [TS]

00:26:07   hears like this music and he's like oh [TS]

00:26:08   no something Bad's gonna happen any [TS]

00:26:10   kinda is afraid of it so so I i consider [TS]

00:26:13   that episode 3 kind of a roadblock to [TS]

00:26:14   taking that approach anyway I gotta say [TS]

00:26:16   that compared to episode 3 is Benjamin [TS]

00:26:19   seen episode 3 and actually that one [TS]

00:26:22   didn't leave that much of an impression [TS]

00:26:23   on him know compared to that tron tron [TS]

00:26:27   legacy actually left a greater impact [TS]

00:26:30   truck tron tron legacy costs me twelve [TS]

00:26:33   hundred dollars because did you buy a [TS]

00:26:36   let-up suit is that how that works [TS]

00:26:38   no no baby did a frisbee come through [TS]

00:26:42   your house and smash to give your own [TS]

00:26:44   virtual reality chamber he we saw the [TS]

00:26:47   movie he enjoyed it very much and that [TS]

00:26:50   night he came in into two to bed with us [TS]

00:26:55   and had a vivid dream and fell out of [TS]

00:26:59   bed and split his head open [TS]

00:27:01   uh-huh did you see them sue the filmic i [TS]

00:27:04   blame the fridges know but it but his [TS]

00:27:09   expects planation later and this was [TS]

00:27:10   that all this was the all-time great [TS]

00:27:12   line though this is what makes this a [TS]

00:27:14   funny story [TS]

00:27:15   he said tron legacy was just too epic [TS]

00:27:19   you can't go to you can be too epic it [TS]

00:27:24   was just too epic and and he spilled [TS]

00:27:26   blood for tron legacy so thick veil [TS]

00:27:29   thinking about thinking of trying this [TS]

00:27:32   is the weird thing we're just talking [TS]

00:27:33   about with the lego star wars and how a [TS]

00:27:35   lot of our kids end up seeing the things [TS]

00:27:37   not the source material but the derived [TS]

00:27:40   properties like the video games or [TS]

00:27:41   whatever and it's it may be because [TS]

00:27:44   we're old we want our children to be [TS]

00:27:45   interest franchises that we saw when we [TS]

00:27:47   were kids and their first exposure is [TS]

00:27:48   probably going to be through a child's [TS]

00:27:49   television show or toy video game but at [TS]

00:27:52   the same thing with tron tron uprising [TS]

00:27:53   is a cartoon series [TS]

00:27:55   that my son has started watching and he [TS]

00:27:58   doesn't have to tell him you know it's [TS]

00:27:59   based on a movie and there's two movies [TS]

00:28:01   and I explained all the backstory of [TS]

00:28:03   whatever but i think a lot of kids today [TS]

00:28:05   are seeing that reused properties but [TS]

00:28:08   not in their original form [TS]

00:28:10   I like if it tells me no television [TS]

00:28:13   shows based on books or yeah and or [TS]

00:28:16   television shows based on movies which [TS]

00:28:18   are based on books and I know that's [TS]

00:28:20   because of like Hollywood sequel is the [TS]

00:28:22   remake of The Beverly Hillbillies [TS]

00:28:23   instead of the classic original yeah [TS]

00:28:25   there's an entire generation of teeny [TS]

00:28:27   boppers who are under the impression [TS]

00:28:28   that if the song has an apparently it [TS]

00:28:30   doesn't exist [TS]

00:28:31   oh no my name my fort my 14 year old [TS]

00:28:35   niece was watching the glee project and [TS]

00:28:38   one of the children came onto catalogs [TS]

00:28:40   son of a preacher man and I was sort of [TS]

00:28:43   singing along under my breath of mine [TS]

00:28:44   Easterns look at us [TS]

00:28:46   you've heard of this song and I said [TS]

00:28:49   honey I need to tell you about a little [TS]

00:28:50   lady named dusty springfield because [TS]

00:28:53   that is where this song started did not [TS]

00:28:55   start with ryan murphy about their inner [TS]

00:28:57   my niece and her heart are under the [TS]

00:28:59   impression that the song is illegitimate [TS]

00:29:01   unless or until he's been featured on [TS]

00:29:03   Glee it's the same thing we've got the [TS]

00:29:04   source material but Sri next to [TS]

00:29:05   repackage for kids up to the job done [TS]

00:29:08   example also which is my five-year-old [TS]

00:29:10   Rex suddenly become fascinated with [TS]

00:29:13   superheroes switch to him are all knew [TS]

00:29:16   that he's done anything about in the [TS]

00:29:18   Paris it's the classic and it's no [TS]

00:29:20   wonder woman Superman group with the DC [TS]

00:29:22   and dad did you know that there are [TS]

00:29:24   super powerful creatures name [TS]

00:29:26   superheroes and the properties have [TS]

00:29:28   changed so much it's very complicated [TS]

00:29:29   too because you know one flies now and [TS]

00:29:31   the last number of years so what [TS]

00:29:33   but the deal was that his preschool one [TS]

00:29:35   of the kids started reading helping [TS]

00:29:36   comic books with some of these pretty [TS]

00:29:38   one so wretched very interested in these [TS]

00:29:39   I can read books that are you know [TS]

00:29:42   taking a stripped-down comic book format [TS]

00:29:44   maybe more adult-oriented these days and [TS]

00:29:47   putting it into a kid-friendly or format [TS]

00:29:49   but the deal is the story's the same [TS]

00:29:50   it's like all this incredibly terrifying [TS]

00:29:52   looking characters doing stuffs [TS]

00:29:54   languages like you know Lex Luthor is [TS]

00:29:57   bad [TS]

00:29:57   Lex Luthor has to take over the earth [TS]

00:29:59   Lex Luthor fight Superman he has his [TS]

00:30:01   kryptonite which can hurt Superman [TS]

00:30:02   Superman bashes Lex Luthor and lex [TS]

00:30:05   liquor [TS]

00:30:06   mrs. he is sad but I've taken here's [TS]

00:30:08   what i'm using as an education lesson [TS]

00:30:09   also directs Rex ok so why does someone [TS]

00:30:12   around the world that seems like a lot [TS]

00:30:13   of trouble [TS]

00:30:14   why does Lex Luthor want to be in charge [TS]

00:30:15   he's a bad guys at villains [TS]

00:30:17   supervillains like to break things and [TS]

00:30:19   like but isn't a lot of effort was going [TS]

00:30:21   no no daddy daddy daddy he says [TS]

00:30:23   university he's bad he's a bad man he's [TS]

00:30:26   a supervillain supervillains they like [TS]

00:30:28   to blow up things like oh so they're [TS]

00:30:30   evil yes they're evil super-villains [TS]

00:30:32   like so they you know running the world [TS]

00:30:34   that's the ala doesn't matter just like [TS]

00:30:35   the break things but i'm trying to use [TS]

00:30:37   it as lessons to explicate on the [TS]

00:30:39   spectrum of evil in the world we live in [TS]

00:30:41   the net interesting not sure I'm not [TS]

00:30:43   sure how that's gonna go [TS]

00:30:45   it has catechism hasn't gone so well so [TS]

00:30:46   because you know i think in reality of [TS]

00:30:49   I've complicated story before in [TS]

00:30:50   previous episodes of the apples that is [TS]

00:30:52   that one of the problems with things [TS]

00:30:54   like Harry Potter is that I don't think [TS]

00:30:55   evil exists in the end the real world to [TS]

00:30:58   a large extent that everyone believes [TS]

00:30:59   that they are well-intentioned no matter [TS]

00:31:01   how horribly their behaved and so books [TS]

00:31:04   in which evil is actually betrayed and [TS]

00:31:06   find unrealistic from that standpoint [TS]

00:31:07   i'd rather see very nuanced well meeting [TS]

00:31:10   parties that are acting on their own [TS]

00:31:11   interests and think or pretend they're [TS]

00:31:13   acting well so Rex are working on that [TS]

00:31:15   did daddy daddy daddy Lex Luthor it had [TS]

00:31:19   a difficult childhood you don't [TS]

00:31:21   understand my smooth ER just wants to be [TS]

00:31:23   loved [TS]

00:31:24   daddy daddy just want Superman to say [TS]

00:31:26   that he's okay and that it doesn't [TS]

00:31:27   matter he's bald and I think Mike Luther [TS]

00:31:31   didn't get dessert daddy that's what [TS]

00:31:32   happened on canonical nature of these I [TS]

00:31:34   can read books like I have a real [TS]

00:31:35   problem they're teaching kids the wrong [TS]

00:31:38   things about hero mythos that that [TS]

00:31:40   Superman you know it's just I don't like [TS]

00:31:42   kryptonite here it's Superman what are [TS]

00:31:44   you talking about [TS]

00:31:45   does but there's just parts of its axis [TS]

00:31:47   dad when he loses for some reason Jimmy [TS]

00:31:49   Olsen's on the top of the Daily Planet [TS]

00:31:51   like with his camera just shooting [TS]

00:31:53   people on the ground there's telephoto [TS]

00:31:55   lens to look for a story [TS]

00:31:56   no newspaper reporter does that let me [TS]

00:31:58   tell you why Jimmy Olsen well i think [TS]

00:32:00   its recruits party city where you had a [TS]

00:32:03   world in which a newspaper is still a [TS]

00:32:04   viable employer though so you may as [TS]

00:32:06   well spend most of the laws of reality [TS]

00:32:09   he's he's the last Employee Lois Lane [TS]

00:32:11   the only two people working at the [TS]

00:32:12   finest Julian's got a book like that is [TS]

00:32:14   the spider-man it's like the spider-man [TS]

00:32:16   3 book and that's a terrible movie but [TS]

00:32:18   the public is amusing [TS]

00:32:20   is it sort of like this is Peter Peter [TS]

00:32:22   it's so perfect and I was like peter is [TS]

00:32:24   sad [TS]

00:32:25   Peter Peter wants to do good as [TS]

00:32:27   spider-man but nobody likes him like yep [TS]

00:32:30   that's pretty much it i can't argue [TS]

00:32:31   sheets we have some of those books too [TS]

00:32:33   and it makes me sad to like another to [TS]

00:32:35   teach your kids to read but unlike [TS]

00:32:37   that's a that's a gross over simple i [TS]

00:32:42   know you can only fit three words in [TS]

00:32:44   this page but those are the three words [TS]

00:32:46   then I'm was not created like that John [TS]

00:32:48   this is a profound moment you and I are [TS]

00:32:50   in complete Accord as moment John and I [TS]

00:32:52   think we should just have a moment of [TS]

00:32:54   celebration over that [TS]

00:32:55   yeah its a broiling Sun kurose over [TS]

00:32:58   simplification of the spider-man / [TS]

00:33:00   Superman my house district now on the [TS]

00:33:02   other hand my older boy has read Harry [TS]

00:33:04   Potter is read the first four and teasy [TS]

00:33:07   he's a good reader and he's got some [TS]

00:33:10   friends his age were you are even [TS]

00:33:12   stronger readers and some have read like [TS]

00:33:14   the entire harry potter canada and i'm [TS]

00:33:16   always sort of stunned by that Ben is [TS]

00:33:18   eight just turned eight and his friends [TS]

00:33:20   are around the same age and I you know I [TS]

00:33:22   had veterans had difficulties as an [TS]

00:33:23   adult reading Harry Potter but this is [TS]

00:33:25   pretty serious stuff in the middle of [TS]

00:33:27   the nonsense [TS]

00:33:28   even when you get the book for we were [TS]

00:33:29   only London reads books 1 2 & 3 [TS]

00:33:31   initially and he kind of knew the plot [TS]

00:33:33   of for me let him read it and we talked [TS]

00:33:35   about it we made sure how to read it [TS]

00:33:36   earlier in the day so you wouldn't read [TS]

00:33:38   it just before bedtime and he didn't [TS]

00:33:39   really have it sort of cartoony enough [TS]

00:33:41   and it's the magic part in everything [TS]

00:33:43   that i don't think the death part really [TS]

00:33:45   resonated with him in the same way that [TS]

00:33:47   someone being hurt and watching [TS]

00:33:49   something visually would have gotten him [TS]

00:33:51   like some of the videos that we've shown [TS]

00:33:53   been in the past he hasn't seen any I [TS]

00:33:55   mean he's really seen the muppet movie [TS]

00:33:56   was actually almost too much for him [TS]

00:33:58   wow what is very little too sensitive [TS]

00:34:01   boys the the newer one we try to watch [TS]

00:34:03   night we try to match the muppet [TS]

00:34:05   christmas carol you know from 30 years [TS]

00:34:07   ago and my younger boy found it [TS]

00:34:09   terrifying elder is very scary ghost [TS]

00:34:11   this is something that's a little [TS]

00:34:12   whatever and and then wasn't totally you [TS]

00:34:15   spying with it was totally into my [TS]

00:34:16   fellows are my fellows are sensitive in [TS]

00:34:18   a way that I hope the world will crush [TS]

00:34:20   them so at some point I want to pitch [TS]

00:34:22   you ate them a little bit more over time [TS]

00:34:23   we try to show them things that are a [TS]

00:34:24   little more difficult or a little not [TS]

00:34:26   scary but just a little harder to take [TS]

00:34:28   because otherwise you know they're going [TS]

00:34:30   to be absolute [TS]

00:34:30   destroyed by mainstream culture and i [TS]

00:34:32   would prefer that not happen to them [TS]

00:34:35   well what was it about the and remind me [TS]

00:34:38   because I've seen I've seen them up at [TS]

00:34:39   the the latest models but what was it [TS]

00:34:42   what was it about the new one that was [TS]

00:34:45   particularly disturbing because i don't [TS]

00:34:47   have a conflict there is conflict that [TS]

00:34:49   time I was younger boy gets has trouble [TS]

00:34:51   really any conflict like we're like [TS]

00:34:52   we've actually said to him things like [TS]

00:34:54   you know this is made for kids your age [TS]

00:34:56   and do you think anyone's gonna die [TS]

00:34:57   zagat now he was really get hurt in a [TS]

00:34:59   movie that's made for you [TS]

00:35:00   I mean sometimes we've had that would [TS]

00:35:02   even like Bob the Builder they'll be [TS]

00:35:03   something that comes up [TS]

00:35:04   where is something bad you know they're [TS]

00:35:06   like this and episodes and their [TS]

00:35:07   specials like a Christmas someone's lost [TS]

00:35:09   in you know cant the radio doesn't work [TS]

00:35:11   whatever you like they're really not [TS]

00:35:12   going to freeze to death this bob the [TS]

00:35:14   builder I don't recall a bob hit there [TS]

00:35:16   was that episode about mr. where where [TS]

00:35:18   one of the trucks was crushed by a [TS]

00:35:20   little concrete but it's very special [TS]

00:35:22   order a bottle fills the Donner and [TS]

00:35:25   that's memorial yeah so was i don't know [TS]

00:35:28   about that one choices but i think the [TS]

00:35:30   muppet movie there's parks where black [TS]

00:35:32   is chris chris cooper Chris Cooper [TS]

00:35:34   Harrigan astok performing with your [TS]

00:35:37   friends name [TS]

00:35:38   yeah he is the Michael left that brings [TS]

00:35:41   up an interesting point about what our [TS]

00:35:43   kids are ready to handle and everything [TS]

00:35:45   like that and i think this is one of [TS]

00:35:46   things I didn't realize before I became [TS]

00:35:47   a parent is the insane variability and [TS]

00:35:51   what different children of the same age [TS]

00:35:53   are able to handle media wants but in [TS]

00:35:55   the singers vs reading things versus you [TS]

00:35:58   know music or violence or skip it just [TS]

00:36:01   unbelievable range where that I you know [TS]

00:36:03   I know my children are just not I people [TS]

00:36:07   ask me what age did you show your kids [TS]

00:36:08   this like I don't feel like giving [TS]

00:36:09   advice because the variability is like a [TS]

00:36:11   multiple of their age some things that [TS]

00:36:13   kids can watch it eight other kids can [TS]

00:36:15   watch until they're sixteen like [TS]

00:36:16   literally and it blows me away whenever [TS]

00:36:20   I see John Gruber talking about what his [TS]

00:36:21   son is watching because his son is right [TS]

00:36:24   about my older boys aged and he'll be [TS]

00:36:26   like yeah we're just watching apocalypse [TS]

00:36:28   now for the 16 years old [TS]

00:36:30   no I'm well I'm but maybe this [TS]

00:36:32   litigation thousand police officer James [TS]

00:36:36   Bond movies which was a lot of kids who [TS]

00:36:38   are eight years old or nine years old [TS]

00:36:40   can't handle but some kids can like and [TS]

00:36:41   that's the thing like it so you know [TS]

00:36:43   some parents who just put their kids in [TS]

00:36:45   front of any movie they're like I don't [TS]

00:36:46   care he'll be fine in the poor kid has [TS]

00:36:48   nightmares and they don't care but some [TS]

00:36:49   can't think most people are being [TS]

00:36:50   conscientious parents and they just know [TS]

00:36:52   what their kid is able to handle [TS]

00:36:54   mathematically this segment of the [TS]

00:36:56   discussion is making me so grateful I [TS]

00:36:58   have a toddler and i haven't had to do [TS]

00:36:59   that yet oh my god i have a conversation [TS]

00:37:02   with been many years ago where he talked [TS]

00:37:04   about how he has shown spider-man the [TS]

00:37:06   the original movie to Benjamin Rand that [TS]

00:37:09   blew me away because i think i think [TS]

00:37:13   Julian still hasn't seen it because yeah [TS]

00:37:15   there's just no way we could there's [TS]

00:37:17   just no way he was going to be able to [TS]

00:37:19   do it but different kids really react [TS]

00:37:21   like I said with Julian it's a lot of [TS]

00:37:23   its the music but he's kind of sensitive [TS]

00:37:24   to it and and and other kids it's not a [TS]

00:37:27   it's not a big deal at all so it is [TS]

00:37:30   insane like John said it's an insane [TS]

00:37:32   amount of variation between kids [TS]

00:37:34   yeah well i was i mean the the [TS]

00:37:36   Apocalypse Now example was one actually [TS]

00:37:39   wanted to bring up because i was [TS]

00:37:41   thinking about this before you know it [TS]

00:37:42   leading up to this podcast because you [TS]

00:37:45   know first time I saw pockets now was [TS]

00:37:48   was 1981-82 so I would have been like 10 [TS]

00:37:51   years old sheets [TS]

00:37:52   well and and my son is 10 now and there [TS]

00:37:56   is no way he's going to see apocalypse [TS]

00:37:59   but did your parents know that you saw [TS]

00:38:01   it that's the No [TS]

00:38:02   yeah like that's I saw many movies [TS]

00:38:04   before I should have seen them and I [TS]

00:38:06   regret seeing anybody surely like my [TS]

00:38:08   parents saying hey you know some life [TS]

00:38:11   was a lot easier before parents [TS]

00:38:12   understood cable that's right why was it [TS]

00:38:15   that was the parents got onto on TV or [TS]

00:38:17   cable that's that's when it all went [TS]

00:38:19   wrong forecast for that's how I saw all [TS]

00:38:21   of the movies but yeah so I saw [TS]

00:38:23   apocalypse now when i was ten years old [TS]

00:38:25   I've got you know like I don't know four [TS]

00:38:27   different DVD versions of Apocalypse Now [TS]

00:38:29   and blu-ray and there's no way he's [TS]

00:38:34   gonna see pockets now but but in my [TS]

00:38:35   judgment the first spider-man movie even [TS]

00:38:39   though it was PG 13 and even though it [TS]

00:38:41   was it was a bit intense with the with [TS]

00:38:45   Uncle Ben and the Goblin all that [TS]

00:38:48   it was it was ok because it was in a way [TS]

00:38:51   it was it was so sort of cartoonish that [TS]

00:38:54   it was it was not that big of a deal [TS]

00:38:57   it's like a power rangers episode in [TS]

00:38:59   some ways because the costumes are so [TS]

00:39:01   inexpressive to write and so so in my [TS]

00:39:05   judgment that was ok and yet we went and [TS]

00:39:10   saw with with some friends of ours the a [TS]

00:39:14   friend of mine and he has a slightly [TS]

00:39:16   older son he's 12 or 13 whoo-hoo [TS]

00:39:19   Benjamin is good pals with we went and [TS]

00:39:21   saw a super 8 when that came out and [TS]

00:39:24   that one those those two kids could add [TS]

00:39:28   a terrible time with super 8 because of [TS]

00:39:31   the the intensity of some some of the [TS]

00:39:35   sequences in that movie so it depends on [TS]

00:39:38   the kid it depends on the movie and so [TS]

00:39:40   right now so it's all that I don't want [TS]

00:39:44   to hijack this but I do have a question [TS]

00:39:45   for the panel because this question just [TS]

00:39:48   came up last night about the hunger [TS]

00:39:53   games at my end and Benjamin hasn't read [TS]

00:39:56   the books [TS]

00:39:57   no not right now the mood and I idea and [TS]

00:40:00   my in what I told him was I don't think [TS]

00:40:01   you're ready [TS]

00:40:02   the books are actually pretty dark [TS]

00:40:04   compared to the movie yet jamie has a [TS]

00:40:06   friend who is reading the books and I [TS]

00:40:07   think that's a lot i think that's [TS]

00:40:09   premature and she's you know she's ten [TS]

00:40:11   going on eleven and I think that pushes [TS]

00:40:13   it [TS]

00:40:14   well this is the thing I want to bring [TS]

00:40:15   up is is my parents are actually really [TS]

00:40:17   good about controlling what TV and what [TS]

00:40:20   movies on growing up but they left all [TS]

00:40:23   sorts of books lying around the house [TS]

00:40:24   and that's how i got my hands on mario [TS]

00:40:26   puzo's The Godfather in third grade haha [TS]

00:40:29   and here's the thing is in the first 17 [TS]

00:40:32   pages of The Godfather there's a very [TS]

00:40:34   very graphic assignation between two [TS]

00:40:38   people and as an eight-year-old not only [TS]

00:40:41   didn't understand half the words those [TS]

00:40:42   words weren't even in the dictionary [TS]

00:40:43   when I went to look that up on the sly [TS]

00:40:45   and i ended up asking not about it into [TS]

00:40:47   a big thing so you know so like actually [TS]

00:40:50   top online for me is is how do how do [TS]

00:40:53   you cultivate that again that sense of [TS]

00:40:55   discovery where your kid is figuring out [TS]

00:40:57   their own taste and they're getting into [TS]

00:40:58   their own thing [TS]

00:40:59   how do you cultivate that discovery [TS]

00:41:01   while [TS]

00:41:02   managing the risks that they're going to [TS]

00:41:05   end up picking up something or watching [TS]

00:41:07   something that's that they're not [TS]

00:41:08   they're definitely not ready for yet so [TS]

00:41:10   so one thing I'll say about this because [TS]

00:41:12   I worry about this a lot too and one [TS]

00:41:14   thing I try to remember is that a lot of [TS]

00:41:18   stuff until I was very close to being of [TS]

00:41:21   an age where it made sense to me it [TS]

00:41:23   completely was over my head [TS]

00:41:25   yeah a-and and it's a little bit [TS]

00:41:27   different with books with reading but [TS]

00:41:28   yeah yeah i mean you you have to you [TS]

00:41:31   have to read you have to know the words [TS]

00:41:32   you have to get it and even with movies [TS]

00:41:34   or TV below above a certain level I mean [TS]

00:41:36   like when I was a kid there were lots of [TS]

00:41:38   things that now I'm like oh wow that was [TS]

00:41:40   really dirty and I had no idea when I [TS]

00:41:42   was a kid just a no idea to be fair with [TS]

00:41:45   the whole Godfather experiences i didn't [TS]

00:41:47   get half of the words and didn't [TS]

00:41:48   understand anybody's motivation it took [TS]

00:41:50   me a few years to realize exactly what [TS]

00:41:53   was going on and you probably haven't [TS]

00:41:56   seen very many mob hits at that point [TS]

00:41:58   now now the markets but that's the thing [TS]

00:42:00   with reading is is they they can only [TS]

00:42:02   really envision stuff that they've seen [TS]

00:42:04   so if they run across if they run across [TS]

00:42:07   you know good fellows at some point on [TS]

00:42:09   cable then it's going to mean a lot more [TS]

00:42:12   to him than it is if there's reading it [TS]

00:42:13   going ok so then he saw his head off [TS]

00:42:15   ok whatever that means moving on leave [TS]

00:42:18   but I'm gonna bump up a level which is I [TS]

00:42:20   think Ben's question it and we were [TS]

00:42:22   apparently all scarred we all saw stuff [TS]

00:42:24   I read step two young in age and we know [TS]

00:42:27   that we know now that was too young for [TS]

00:42:29   us but that's a question right it's what [TS]

00:42:31   are we protecting your children from [TS]

00:42:32   protecting in part from we don't want [TS]

00:42:34   them to have nightmares because we know [TS]

00:42:35   it's gonna be hard for them to sleep [TS]

00:42:36   heart of the function if they can get [TS]

00:42:38   these images out of their head is [TS]

00:42:40   similar argument with pornography is [TS]

00:42:41   that if some photography is made it will [TS]

00:42:44   be acceptable adult some not and there's [TS]

00:42:46   all variation around that but you don't [TS]

00:42:48   want to have a developing mind that [TS]

00:42:49   isn't prepared to have the [TS]

00:42:51   sophistication of the emotional depth or [TS]

00:42:53   the training to cope with feelings they [TS]

00:42:55   have and that's true for this kind of [TS]

00:42:57   material as well as you know more [TS]

00:42:59   serious things things about death and [TS]

00:43:00   and so forth so I wonder like are we [TS]

00:43:03   protecting our kids too much are we [TS]

00:43:05   going to scar them in Reverse likely [TS]

00:43:07   them so unscarred as with my children [TS]

00:43:09   for instance that they are immediately [TS]

00:43:11   crushed on leaving are you [TS]

00:43:13   our home they go to college and [TS]

00:43:14   everything that they've seen and see in [TS]

00:43:16   the first week leaves and shivering and [TS]

00:43:18   fetal position in their dorm room or or [TS]

00:43:20   is this a good course of action we [TS]

00:43:22   helping them how to cultivate the right [TS]

00:43:24   kind of emotional depth and [TS]

00:43:25   sophistication awareness that when they [TS]

00:43:27   see material that we thought we saw too [TS]

00:43:29   early or read it that they actually can [TS]

00:43:31   integrate it better into their worldview [TS]

00:43:32   or personality I think as soon as they [TS]

00:43:35   go off to elementary school not even [TS]

00:43:36   high school not acknowledge that they go [TS]

00:43:38   to all memory school you don't have [TS]

00:43:39   nothing to worry about because their [TS]

00:43:41   friends will corrupt them to the [TS]

00:43:43   incredible degree without excellently [TS]

00:43:45   all the curse words all the sex talk all [TS]

00:43:48   the movies that all the kids who have [TS]

00:43:50   seen apocalypse now we're in their class [TS]

00:43:52   and are totally cool and I'm gonna tell [TS]

00:43:53   them about the seat in securing a [TS]

00:43:55   picture and a third grader sitting in [TS]

00:43:57   the back of the class saying horror and [TS]

00:44:00   who are on Terra I of friends so that's [TS]

00:44:04   why I've made it my goal to to be there [TS]

00:44:06   to have the kids that seed the rest of [TS]

00:44:08   transcendental century sitting on the [TS]

00:44:10   Shelf which is why I've taught both my [TS]

00:44:12   kids the diarrhea's already i no see [TS]

00:44:15   that was my kids came back from [TS]

00:44:16   elementary school with all these songs [TS]

00:44:18   to my cup various songs go out there [TS]

00:44:19   because like coming back from [TS]

00:44:21   kindergarten kid sings it to you like [TS]

00:44:23   they didn't complain new songs in the [TS]

00:44:24   past 30 years i guess not you know not [TS]

00:44:27   even any new version and light and it's [TS]

00:44:29   good because then your kids are amazing [TS]

00:44:31   you know that's how to Mike yep I no [TS]

00:44:33   longer need a tiny the ocean like you [TS]

00:44:35   know that's how come you know the punch [TS]

00:44:36   line to all these jokes like the same [TS]

00:44:38   jokes they told me in first grade and [TS]

00:44:41   you know disinfected yeah so I think [TS]

00:44:43   like all the protection that you do like [TS]

00:44:45   they're gonna go out unless you like [TS]

00:44:46   homeschool them or send them to like a [TS]

00:44:49   private school private like they're [TS]

00:44:50   going to go out into the world and [TS]

00:44:51   there's going to be people with [TS]

00:44:52   different parenting styles and like [TS]

00:44:54   that's what I don't think you need to [TS]

00:44:56   cultivate their curiosity because they [TS]

00:44:57   they have it and they'll find the stuff [TS]

00:44:59   and you can't stop them from being [TS]

00:45:01   influenced by their friends and stuff [TS]

00:45:02   like that you know i think i think it [TS]

00:45:04   socializing with your peers is how even [TS]

00:45:08   the most overprotective parent has their [TS]

00:45:10   work either done or undone for them [TS]

00:45:12   depending on how you look at it so like [TS]

00:45:15   you get you get until they go off to [TS]

00:45:16   some environment where there with other [TS]

00:45:18   kids their age for most of the day and [TS]

00:45:20   that that's your time to do your best to [TS]

00:45:22   set this kid on the road [TS]

00:45:23   exposed to the things you want to expose [TS]

00:45:25   them to and everybody after that like [TS]

00:45:27   you i don't i'm not into magic cards i [TS]

00:45:30   don't like those things i have a pretty [TS]

00:45:31   low opinion of that everything I would [TS]

00:45:33   rather be my children to D&D but they [TS]

00:45:34   went off and he's also friends are into [TS]

00:45:36   magic cards now he's into magic cards i [TS]

00:45:38   have no saying that it's just gonna [TS]

00:45:39   happen you know and like my kids were [TS]

00:45:42   playing pokemon made-up rules of pokemon [TS]

00:45:45   and obviously getting funky mama too [TS]

00:45:47   young to figure out the rules [TS]

00:45:48   yeah you gotta go c'mon we have pokemon [TS]

00:45:50   infection in my older boys school and [TS]

00:45:51   its really spread the virus is pretty [TS]

00:45:53   powerful full credit to the guys at the [TS]

00:45:55   at the store where my wife bought the [TS]

00:45:57   pokemon cards for my son's birthday is [TS]

00:45:59   is they at first question asker is are [TS]

00:46:01   they actually going to play it or just [TS]

00:46:02   look at the cards and she's just the [TS]

00:46:04   hackers I go get them get these they're [TS]

00:46:05   cheaper in there they're more felt so [TS]

00:46:09   Greg nice our good friend who was going [TS]

00:46:10   to be on this podcast but he was late [TS]

00:46:12   because he was helping us kids with it [TS]

00:46:13   with their homework so so he doesn't get [TS]

00:46:16   to be on the podcast cause he's [TS]

00:46:17   parenting but Greg asked a really good [TS]

00:46:20   question which is about video games that [TS]

00:46:21   he I know Greg had this problem where [TS]

00:46:23   he's been trying to get good games for [TS]

00:46:24   his kids and his boys who are older than [TS]

00:46:27   most of the kids uh of the people on [TS]

00:46:30   this podcast trying to find games that [TS]

00:46:32   aren't like mature rated video games [TS]

00:46:35   that he's comfortable with them with [TS]

00:46:37   them playing and and so I i thought i'd [TS]

00:46:39   ask you guys if you've got video game [TS]

00:46:42   experience with your kids and and what [TS]

00:46:44   do you do I mean our kids are young [TS]

00:46:45   enough i think that most of us that the [TS]

00:46:47   answer is you know i'm i'm I we've got [TS]

00:46:49   well with Trixie you know Lisa you just [TS]

00:46:52   kind of don't have to worry about yet [TS]

00:46:53   and laser pointer actually have an idea [TS]

00:46:55   how about is is inadvertently [TS]

00:46:56   introducing a glass ceiling because i'm [TS]

00:46:59   not a gamer and because game culture is [TS]

00:47:02   still not you know particularly obsessed [TS]

00:47:05   with gender parity so so I worry that [TS]

00:47:07   she's gonna miss out on the sort of [TS]

00:47:09   cultural signifiers or more common [TS]

00:47:10   experiences and I think that's always [TS]

00:47:13   the rate you're going to have I i don't [TS]

00:47:14   think so i can tell you that that all my [TS]

00:47:16   all of Jaime's friends are into a video [TS]

00:47:19   game stuff too and it really doesn't [TS]

00:47:21   seem to have any split between boys and [TS]

00:47:23   girls and they're all you know let that [TS]

00:47:26   there's a lot at at the younger ages [TS]

00:47:28   there's a lot of stuff that is really [TS]

00:47:32   great and appropriate for kids [TS]

00:47:34   my concern is that above a certain level [TS]

00:47:36   that starts to [TS]

00:47:37   seemed babyish and that's what greg has [TS]

00:47:39   run into which is above that level [TS]

00:47:41   you're basically on into this full-on [TS]

00:47:42   adult stuff and what Greg says that he [TS]

00:47:46   ends up doing is buying the generation [TS]

00:47:48   older games so that like Arkham Asylum [TS]

00:47:51   is rated tv-14 but arkham city is an M [TS]

00:47:54   so you just kind of go back and buy the [TS]

00:47:56   old game for nine dollars and and that's [TS]

00:47:59   and that's but that also means his kids [TS]

00:48:01   are like hopelessly years behind [TS]

00:48:03   everybody else in terms of the games [TS]

00:48:05   that this plenty of games in that gap [TS]

00:48:06   though like they're like most distant [TS]

00:48:09   you don't go right from lego star wars [TS]

00:48:11   to Arkham City yes this is it may seem [TS]

00:48:14   like there's a gap there because certain [TS]

00:48:17   titles are popular and the reason that [TS]

00:48:18   probably seems like a gap there is what [TS]

00:48:19   if your kid goes off the third grade is [TS]

00:48:21   gonna be all the cool third graders are [TS]

00:48:23   going to be playing the rated amateur [TS]

00:48:25   you know arkham asylum game and they're [TS]

00:48:27   gonna tell your child about Arkham [TS]

00:48:28   Asylum and neutrons going home and say [TS]

00:48:30   my friends are playing arkham asylum can [TS]

00:48:31   i play it but knowing your kid is ready [TS]

00:48:33   to play that and and like you can steer [TS]

00:48:36   them towards games that are also there [TS]

00:48:38   will be there will actually be more fun [TS]

00:48:40   for your child [TS]

00:48:41   I actually is here again i will go back [TS]

00:48:43   to what I said before about it depends [TS]

00:48:45   on the kid and it depends on the product [TS]

00:48:46   so as up so like some of these M games [TS]

00:48:50   some some not all md games are created [TS]

00:48:53   equal and so so with my son some of the [TS]

00:48:59   halo games RM games and he's played them [TS]

00:49:03   because they're ridiculously cartoonish [TS]

00:49:05   yeah yeah and and they're they're barely [TS]

00:49:08   and I I mean I don't even understand in [TS]

00:49:10   some cases why there's cursing and the [TS]

00:49:12   voice over so yeah there's a little bit [TS]

00:49:13   as a platter violence but it's really [TS]

00:49:15   not right but with that but that it's [TS]

00:49:18   it's it's ridiculous and so yeah so it's [TS]

00:49:20   not that not that big of a deal now that [TS]

00:49:24   I actually with the with arkham city we [TS]

00:49:28   actually played that together and so i [TS]

00:49:32   didn't i didn't have a great problem [TS]

00:49:34   with that one but there's other games [TS]

00:49:36   like I play you know I place of my own I [TS]

00:49:38   played a lot of modern warfare 3 and [TS]

00:49:40   there's no way you know he plays that [TS]

00:49:43   and there's no way he's going to play [TS]

00:49:44   that on multiplayer where everybody is a [TS]

00:49:47   is a savage [TS]

00:49:49   and so so that we are very lightly [TS]

00:49:52   actually yeah I know they're there [TS]

00:49:54   they're barbarians so I make judgments [TS]

00:49:58   sonic on a case-by-case basis and a lot [TS]

00:50:00   of these things and so there's a lot of [TS]

00:50:02   other games you like something you know [TS]

00:50:03   the the little big planet was you know [TS]

00:50:08   we were playing that for a long long [TS]

00:50:10   time and the xbox 360 there was that oh [TS]

00:50:15   shoot i can't remember the name of it [TS]

00:50:16   now so that the one where I don't crap [TS]

00:50:20   with the piƱatas yes we have a pinata [TS]

00:50:23   that's it goes yeah yeah and my wife [TS]

00:50:26   loved playing that with with my son and [TS]

00:50:29   so there was a lot of that Greg says [TS]

00:50:32   that one of the one of the big things [TS]

00:50:34   for his his boys that a that has been a [TS]

00:50:37   huge boon is minecraft because they just [TS]

00:50:39   spend all their time playing minecraft [TS]

00:50:41   which is not a particularly violent [TS]

00:50:44   because of Minecraft his legos without [TS]

00:50:47   the foot injury [TS]

00:50:48   yeah exactly you can't step on a [TS]

00:50:50   minecraft so so John so John Gregg Gregg [TS]

00:50:53   is in the chat room and he wants he [TS]

00:50:56   demands that you name names about what [TS]

00:50:57   game myself [TS]

00:50:58   yeah go in between your Legos and your [TS]

00:51:01   Skyrim wait what's on there so i would [TS]

00:51:03   say the entire Zelda series will last [TS]

00:51:06   your children from the age of like seven [TS]

00:51:08   when they can actually play them until [TS]

00:51:10   like 13 when they're ready to play [TS]

00:51:11   rated T games because those games take [TS]

00:51:14   forever to play and they aren't babyish [TS]

00:51:16   like they're sophisticated complicated i [TS]

00:51:18   got pretty darn hard games and they last [TS]

00:51:20   forever and there are tons of them and i [TS]

00:51:22   highly recommend like don't you know [TS]

00:51:23   it's like over there is just one Wiesel [TS]

00:51:25   the game let him play the gamecube games [TS]

00:51:27   let him play the virtual console games [TS]

00:51:28   for you know that I found that my kids [TS]

00:51:30   do not mind playing Nintendo 64 game and [TS]

00:51:32   I don't even know if they notice the [TS]

00:51:34   difference between Nintendo 64 game and [TS]

00:51:36   PlayStation 3 game [TS]

00:51:37   yeah yeah I don't think we're gonna go [TS]

00:51:39   we turn our daughter is the same thing [TS]

00:51:41   right [TS]

00:51:42   oh yeah those are hard games like it was [TS]

00:51:44   a baby because you have married looks [TS]

00:51:45   like a little plumber but those are [TS]

00:51:46   complicated hard exciting and dangerous [TS]

00:51:48   you know [TS]

00:51:49   yeah very hard all those things yeah [TS]

00:51:51   Mario Kart is the that's the champion [TS]

00:51:55   game around our house even to this day [TS]

00:51:56   but all the mall tomorrow stuff and [TS]

00:51:59   and right and kirby the kirby game [TS]

00:52:02   services some of those start to get into [TS]

00:52:04   the hall [TS]

00:52:05   everything is here's the thing there [TS]

00:52:06   these games are going to look at all [TS]

00:52:08   Kirby is like a babyish game or Mario is [TS]

00:52:10   or even sell that because all the [TS]

00:52:11   friends are playing battlefield 3 when [TS]

00:52:13   they shouldn't be because it's totally [TS]

00:52:15   not appropriate for kids that age and [TS]

00:52:16   those are the cool kids right but that [TS]

00:52:18   does not mean that your kid will not [TS]

00:52:20   become totally addicted to playing [TS]

00:52:21   through winwaker even though it's a [TS]

00:52:23   little cartoony Zelda rights ok can I [TS]

00:52:25   get a first person shooter with Mario [TS]

00:52:26   that thing about first-person shooters [TS]

00:52:29   like your talk about how hello has a [TS]

00:52:31   cartoon violence and everything that is [TS]

00:52:32   still kind of a game in which you play a [TS]

00:52:35   disembodied gun floating out of the [TS]

00:52:37   center of your body constantly pointing [TS]

00:52:39   it new things to shoot even if its [TS]

00:52:41   cartoon violence and even if it's not [TS]

00:52:43   even if it's like played for laughs or [TS]

00:52:44   whatever this still that's kind of a [TS]

00:52:46   line of like to want my child spending [TS]

00:52:47   all their time aiming their gun at [TS]

00:52:49   something and then like magic want that [TS]

00:52:51   blows bubbles [TS]

00:52:53   okay all right yes that no no that and [TS]

00:52:56   that's note that on that point John that [TS]

00:52:59   that was very much alive in my mind it [TS]

00:53:02   was initially and i think that in that [TS]

00:53:07   instance see again I think it goes back [TS]

00:53:10   to what we were talking about before i [TS]

00:53:12   mean i think i think it I I don't think [TS]

00:53:14   you can universalize it and I think it [TS]

00:53:16   depends on the kid and I think it [TS]

00:53:18   depends on on your level of maturity and [TS]

00:53:21   the particular context which the game is [TS]

00:53:23   played and I think again and also to you [TS]

00:53:26   know I I don't let I don't let my my son [TS]

00:53:30   spend you know hours and hours and hours [TS]

00:53:33   and hours of one interrupt gaming time [TS]

00:53:35   and you know and there's and I I [TS]

00:53:37   supervise a great deal and so in that [TS]

00:53:42   instance it was pretty clear that that [TS]

00:53:46   you know that that this sort of that [TS]

00:53:50   sort of shooting violence that you see [TS]

00:53:52   in Halo versus what you would have in a [TS]

00:53:55   in one of the modern warfare games or [TS]

00:53:57   battlefield or whatever there there's [TS]

00:54:00   there's a although the mechanics of the [TS]

00:54:02   game are essentially the same the [TS]

00:54:06   context is different [TS]

00:54:09   yeah that thing is that that feeling [TS]

00:54:11   like that that [TS]

00:54:12   you have to know your children and it [TS]

00:54:14   depending on your child children are [TS]

00:54:15   going to be drawn to these types i know [TS]

00:54:17   i was drawn to these types of games [TS]

00:54:18   that's why all their friends are drawing [TS]

00:54:20   these types of games and it's not as if [TS]

00:54:21   you can keep them away from that type of [TS]

00:54:23   game but you have to sort of like meter [TS]

00:54:24   it like you want to give them an outlet [TS]

00:54:26   for this desire to play these types of [TS]

00:54:28   games but you don't want to let them [TS]

00:54:30   indulgent to the degree that they would [TS]

00:54:32   because many little boys and I assume [TS]

00:54:33   little girls as well our are savages [TS]

00:54:36   like if you have left is lord of the [TS]

00:54:38   flies right so your job as a parent to [TS]

00:54:40   kind of guide that and say you can play [TS]

00:54:42   a first-person shooter but not the one [TS]

00:54:45   where you you torture people to get [TS]

00:54:46   information and killer rocky children or [TS]

00:54:49   you know like yeah so and and then limit [TS]

00:54:51   your time and like try to mix up with [TS]

00:54:53   some racing games or so you know likes [TS]

00:54:55   you just just because some little boy [TS]

00:54:57   constantly wants to kill things doesn't [TS]

00:54:59   end there are many forms of [TS]

00:55:01   entertainment let them indulge those [TS]

00:55:02   feelings you have to kind of like heard [TS]

00:55:04   them towards you know you can't you [TS]

00:55:06   can't cut it off that's the worst thing [TS]

00:55:07   you do my parents would not let me own [TS]

00:55:09   any toy guns and they removed the little [TS]

00:55:11   sliding lightsabers from my star wars [TS]

00:55:13   figures arms they went up and down now [TS]

00:55:15   and all that made me do was want that [TS]

00:55:18   stuff even more and everything i'm at a [TS]

00:55:19   master weaponsmith in my childhood so [TS]

00:55:21   that's not the answer either write your [TS]

00:55:24   absence I just imagine with the tiny and [TS]

00:55:27   filmmaking mesas and Syria you have [TS]

00:55:29   spare you have no idea you have no it's [TS]

00:55:32   not like that the making the ring of the [TS]

00:55:35   needle looking at the spaceman tiny [TS]

00:55:37   little ring of the needle again [TS]

00:55:38   yeah and so that like that's what you [TS]

00:55:40   are you coming fighting with you have to [TS]

00:55:41   look at your kid and say how drawn is my [TS]

00:55:43   child to this type of game and how can I [TS]

00:55:47   give them an out some outlet for those [TS]

00:55:49   feelings in a better manner than if if I [TS]

00:55:52   just forbid it and then go over their [TS]

00:55:54   friends house and play battlefield 3 [TS]

00:55:55   which I don't want you know right to try [TS]

00:55:59   and try and give them some of what they [TS]

00:56:00   what they want and make it part of this [TS]

00:56:02   nutritious breakfast so to speak instead [TS]

00:56:05   of just the gorging on i'm going to just [TS]

00:56:08   kill everything all the time [TS]

00:56:10   although the the counter example would [TS]

00:56:12   be if we want to get them to do things [TS]

00:56:13   we should completely forbid them from [TS]

00:56:15   you can't play D&D on my life you may [TS]

00:56:18   never get a deeper however kids get [TS]

00:56:21   smart fast the glam [TS]

00:56:22   get smart really fast we have a running [TS]

00:56:24   joke in my house is my kids will say [TS]

00:56:26   something like when you can be watching [TS]

00:56:27   out the simpsons or for this movie I'm [TS]

00:56:29   like uh you know when you're 43 like [TS]

00:56:31   we'll be at the house whatever in one [TS]

00:56:33   night there like I wanna Rex I think it [TS]

00:56:35   was Rex the five-year-old's an MP said [TS]

00:56:37   something like I think we should all go [TS]

00:56:38   skydiving as a family i said that's [TS]

00:56:40   great you can totally do that [TS]

00:56:42   a week after I'm dead let's put that on [TS]

00:56:44   the calendar says I'm dead [TS]

00:56:46   you're completely like this kind of as [TS]

00:56:47   often as you want yeah you watch they're [TS]

00:56:51   gonna make that like your memorial now [TS]

00:56:53   as dad always said if that's the exact [TS]

00:56:56   yeah making a skydiving scatter your [TS]

00:56:58   ashes overall know they're gonna get it [TS]

00:57:00   is slightly wrong I'm gonna be like dad [TS]

00:57:01   always said that he wanted to be dropped [TS]

00:57:03   out of an airplane mechanic behind [TS]

00:57:07   that's the that's the telephone game [TS]

00:57:09   version of last wishes [TS]

00:57:11   yeah he'll take your ashes when they do [TS]

00:57:13   their first guy Dave no that's great i [TS]

00:57:16   like all those possibilities including [TS]

00:57:18   having my corpse dropped out of a plane [TS]

00:57:20   to capture damn fine with me if it makes [TS]

00:57:22   them up whatever whatever my children [TS]

00:57:24   want I just want them to grow up happy [TS]

00:57:25   occasion I can see I don't want to go [TS]

00:57:30   too well I did your children grow up [TS]

00:57:32   miserable one now I'd like them to I'd [TS]

00:57:34   like her to grow up with a sense of [TS]

00:57:38   purpose and the tool flies have a [TS]

00:57:41   productive life but send a Harvard that [TS]

00:57:43   if that's what you have to do [TS]

00:57:45   no I'm not saying it's not like that [TS]

00:57:46   what I'm saying is I think if you're [TS]

00:57:48   like well I just want them to be happy I [TS]

00:57:49   think you I think you're actually kind [TS]

00:57:50   of set the bar really high because then [TS]

00:57:52   every time they're unhappy they sort of [TS]

00:57:54   feel like they're feeling their parents [TS]

00:57:55   will secretly honor them to fit secretly [TS]

00:57:57   weather fails if I say whether it be [TS]

00:57:59   happy i have no unhappy son i mean i'd [TS]

00:58:04   rather have somebody who has a sense of [TS]

00:58:06   who she is and what she wants and what [TS]

00:58:08   she wants rather than somebody has to be [TS]

00:58:10   you know i'm not happy what did I fail [TS]

00:58:12   or I'm not happy i have no idea how to [TS]

00:58:14   deal with that you know I want to [TS]

00:58:15   achieve at their level of potential and [TS]

00:58:17   if that means being a ski bomb and be a [TS]

00:58:19   really great ski bum totally yeah that [TS]

00:58:22   was actually approached my parents took [TS]

00:58:23   and then they would depend what you're [TS]

00:58:25   going to be a Beachcomber we have to [TS]

00:58:26   support yourself [TS]

00:58:27   yeah that's true too yeah but you could [TS]

00:58:30   be awesome if you're awesome at its [TS]

00:58:31   great be a really great [TS]

00:58:32   yeah that's the to be speech covers [TS]

00:58:34   pretty cool yeah i'm told me [TS]

00:58:36   that something that Lisa said earlier [TS]

00:58:37   that i really liked is this idea that [TS]

00:58:39   you're not necessarily forcing your kids [TS]

00:58:43   and because you kinda it kinda doesn't [TS]

00:58:45   work [TS]

00:58:45   forcing them to like things that you [TS]

00:58:47   like but the idea that you create an [TS]

00:58:49   environment where they're going to [TS]

00:58:50   they're going to discover from you know [TS]

00:58:54   from these things that you put in front [TS]

00:58:56   of them they're gonna find the things [TS]

00:58:57   that they like and and if they [TS]

00:58:59   ultimately like things that you don't [TS]

00:59:00   like that's fine but that you know you [TS]

00:59:02   have those moments where you think you [TS]

00:59:04   know if my daughter loves baseball [TS]

00:59:06   my son doesn't really but my my daughter [TS]

00:59:08   loves baseball she's got the MLB app on [TS]

00:59:10   her ipod and she like [TS]

00:59:12   we'll listen I used to listen to radio [TS]

00:59:15   broadcast of games from far away when i [TS]

00:59:17   fall asleep at night and she has the MLB [TS]

00:59:20   app and she plays baseball games on the [TS]

00:59:22   radio on her ipod as she falls asleep [TS]

00:59:24   and that's great and I you know it just [TS]

00:59:26   happened and I I it is a wonderful thing [TS]

00:59:29   and it's a with my son [TS]

00:59:32   where where I tried to encourage you [TS]

00:59:34   know superheroes and comics and so I [TS]

00:59:36   wanted my kids to be comic book literate [TS]

00:59:38   because i think that it's just a form [TS]

00:59:40   that that you've got to learn how to [TS]

00:59:42   read comics and my wife never really [TS]

00:59:43   learned how to read comics and so she [TS]

00:59:45   doesn't appreciate them in the same way [TS]

00:59:47   but I did have that moment with Julian [TS]

00:59:49   where he said where we had a discussion [TS]

00:59:50   of superheroes and he declared the [TS]

00:59:52   Batman was the best superhero and I was [TS]

00:59:55   as we as it as a spider-man as a [TS]

00:59:58   spider-man partisan [TS]

00:59:58   spider-man partisan [TS]

01:00:00   this tour this tore my heart out and so [TS]

01:00:02   we would have long actually debates [TS]

01:00:04   about why why [TS]

01:00:05   Spiderman was clearly better than Batman [TS]

01:00:07   and and and the funny thing is when I [TS]

01:00:09   when I let it drop and I said I you know [TS]

01:00:11   I love my son even if he loves Batman [TS]

01:00:13   I'm my son even if he loves fast i love [TS]

01:00:18   my Batman loving son by letting it go [TS]

01:00:21   for a little while he it it's amazing he [TS]

01:00:24   kind of like once he was outside of that [TS]

01:00:27   kind of discussion he started [TS]

01:00:29   appreciating spider-man 2 right and so [TS]

01:00:31   in some ways it was like he didn't know [TS]

01:00:33   he was disappointing you hurting my [TS]

01:00:35   father can see it in his eyes when he [TS]

01:00:37   looks at me what once Maya once once the [TS]

01:00:40   pressure was off then he was actually [TS]

01:00:42   free to go back and appreciate [TS]

01:00:43   spider-man but it is it was really a a [TS]

01:00:46   great moment that I could I could get [TS]

01:00:47   him exposed to all the great stuff but [TS]

01:00:50   he's gonna do you like what he's gonna [TS]

01:00:52   like and you gotta go with it and [TS]

01:00:54   embrace the the stuff that you're [TS]

01:00:56   excited about NX embrace in general that [TS]

01:00:58   they found things that they love and the [TS]

01:01:01   specifics don't matter and you can't [TS]

01:01:03   control them anyway so don't sweat the [TS]

01:01:06   specifics just be glad that there's [TS]

01:01:08   their stuff that you love that you think [TS]

01:01:10   is valuable and can add to their [TS]

01:01:12   contentment in life that and some of [TS]

01:01:15   that they may actually that may resonate [TS]

01:01:17   with them and I think that's all that's [TS]

01:01:19   all you can really do [TS]

01:01:20   well i agree and that's that's why [TS]

01:01:22   that's why it's a wonderful thing that [TS]

01:01:24   my son knows that iron man is the best [TS]

01:01:26   superhero nah didn't thank you God bless [TS]

01:01:31   you and good reminded the point I want [TS]

01:01:35   to make about about about kids and their [TS]

01:01:39   and their taste and mark one thing we're [TS]

01:01:41   not mentioning here that I think we all [TS]

01:01:42   agree on is that kids have bad taste [TS]

01:01:46   like it is it yes terrible great so like [TS]

01:01:50   a little baby you think will you jingle [TS]

01:01:51   your keys in front of a baby like that [TS]

01:01:53   the highest form of entertainment ever [TS]

01:01:55   you go like actually really I actually [TS]

01:01:57   really enjoy finding out my daughter [TS]

01:01:58   doesn't doesn't like as far as music [TS]

01:02:00   goes because you will play stuff on the [TS]

01:02:02   deep on the CD player and you just hear [TS]

01:02:04   this display now from the backseat but [TS]

01:02:06   she doesn't like some yeah and so like [TS]

01:02:09   as they get older their taste the case [TS]

01:02:11   change immature right but [TS]

01:02:13   here's the danger when your kids are you [TS]

01:02:14   know like toddler age or elementary [TS]

01:02:16   school-age is that to them this awesome [TS]

01:02:19   thing that you love is equally [TS]

01:02:22   entertaining and valuable as this [TS]

01:02:23   terrible thing that as an adult you can [TS]

01:02:25   realize all this is like the lowest [TS]

01:02:27   possible form of entertainment and this [TS]

01:02:29   is high art but to a kid they're exactly [TS]

01:02:31   the same so my strategy and my household [TS]

01:02:33   has been looking if they're it's the [TS]

01:02:35   same one way or the other [TS]

01:02:36   like if Dora the Explorer is exactly the [TS]

01:02:39   same to them as a Pixar movie like this [TS]

01:02:41   they see no quality difference between [TS]

01:02:43   these two things but I'm sure it's like [TS]

01:02:44   do I have said look if it's the same to [TS]

01:02:47   them i'm going to expunge all [TS]

01:02:48   entertainment that I know not to be [TS]

01:02:50   great entertainment from from the house [TS]

01:02:53   because look if I you know if I can say [TS]

01:02:56   no dora the explorer try kiki's delivery [TS]

01:02:59   service and they like them equally [TS]

01:03:01   it makes me feel so much better as a [TS]

01:03:03   parent to know that that a i'm giving [TS]

01:03:05   them something that isn't just terrible [TS]

01:03:07   crap and be that when they're older they [TS]

01:03:10   can say offers that movie that I saw [TS]

01:03:11   when I was a kid and go back and watch [TS]

01:03:13   it and not had that feeling that we all [TS]

01:03:15   have like when we go back and look at [TS]

01:03:16   the GI Joe episode in high school I do [TS]

01:03:18   this every sat yeah like what was I [TS]

01:03:20   thinking like you know they'll go back [TS]

01:03:21   and go you know what I was a genius as a [TS]

01:03:23   kid because i love this movie now as an [TS]

01:03:25   adult to you know that's that's my goal [TS]

01:03:27   with exposing my kids two things that [TS]

01:03:29   that are high-quality thanks dad [TS]

01:03:32   is there is there anything that you deny [TS]

01:03:36   your kids because you think it's crap [TS]

01:03:37   even though you know they would enjoy it [TS]

01:03:39   probably i'm going to think I'd have to [TS]

01:03:43   figure out what it is much Bob [TS]

01:03:45   SpongeBob's awesome ones bob is the last [TS]

01:03:49   thing I will ever let my kids I deny [TS]

01:03:51   them stuff not because I'm afraid it's [TS]

01:03:54   going to ruin their critical faculties [TS]

01:03:56   or or turn them into you know my number [TS]

01:03:58   hobbies but just because i can't abide [TS]

01:04:00   it oh yeah thatthat's the usually [TS]

01:04:01   primary motivation like I can't have [TS]

01:04:03   their on in my house anywhere ever like [TS]

01:04:05   cannot exist [TS]

01:04:06   john i'm the map i'm the map i'm the man [TS]

01:04:10   who do we have when we don't know which [TS]

01:04:12   way to go [TS]

01:04:13   say map saying [TS]

01:04:16   back back back back certain seasons [TS]

01:04:20   spongebob early seasons were quite good [TS]

01:04:22   before it before it went downhill and i [TS]

01:04:24   still would never let my children [TS]

01:04:25   watching you two it's like there's a [TS]

01:04:26   level of subversiveness friend of mine [TS]

01:04:28   his story is used to watch with his very [TS]

01:04:30   young children watch things like king of [TS]

01:04:32   the hill in the simpsons until the night [TS]

01:04:34   his four-year-old slaps his wife on the [TS]

01:04:37   action says get me my food woman and [TS]

01:04:39   that was the end all your household in [TS]

01:04:42   the hell and some students and those [TS]

01:04:44   cartoons until the children left the [TS]

01:04:46   house that is a universe away from from [TS]

01:04:50   SpongeBob SquarePants [TS]

01:04:51   yeah like the things that might seem to [TS]

01:04:53   have no value like spongebob seems to [TS]

01:04:56   have no value to me know knowing a [TS]

01:04:57   spongebob spongebob is very funny as [TS]

01:04:59   certain very arch episodes if you want [TS]

01:05:01   the wrong spongebob you think it's [TS]

01:05:03   terrible to watch the right one [TS]

01:05:04   it's an incredible indictment serious [TS]

01:05:06   statement of money now it's actually [TS]

01:05:07   very clever episode some of them [TS]

01:05:10   well well well it's like the Simpsons [TS]

01:05:11   right i mean i mean spongebob is [TS]

01:05:13   actually i think more attuned to adults [TS]

01:05:16   and teenagers in this for toddlers and [TS]

01:05:18   preschoolers because i really want to [TS]

01:05:20   jerk right i mean the show is full of [TS]

01:05:23   jerks who talked like well jerks and and [TS]

01:05:26   it's funny at times if you get like [TS]

01:05:28   let's get the kind of you know the the [TS]

01:05:31   the the hinted at stories but the but [TS]

01:05:36   the actual stories on the top surface [TS]

01:05:37   what the kids are going to take away [TS]

01:05:39   from it is just these people are jerks [TS]

01:05:42   Wow and the other thing that I did try [TS]

01:05:45   to hurt my kids or something good is [TS]

01:05:46   foremost for like especially my first [TS]

01:05:48   good for the first like three years I [TS]

01:05:50   like these children and never saw an [TS]

01:05:52   advertisement and never saw a program [TS]

01:05:54   that was not educational in some way [TS]

01:05:55   yeah so like my kids are like crazy i'm [TS]

01:05:57   like in a word world WordGirl Super Why [TS]

01:06:00   like and like those shows even though [TS]

01:06:02   they work long and annoying i didn't [TS]

01:06:03   care about their letters right and it [TS]

01:06:06   was almost like my kids not going to [TS]

01:06:08   know that there exists entertainment [TS]

01:06:09   that isn't also educational look at a [TS]

01:06:11   certain point I was afraid that i should [TS]

01:06:12   show them something that doesn't have an [TS]

01:06:14   educational component because of them [TS]

01:06:15   will be failing them but that took care [TS]

01:06:16   of itself [TS]

01:06:22   that goes back to building up kind of an [TS]

01:06:24   inoculation against the outside culture [TS]

01:06:27   where I discovered I've said this on the [TS]

01:06:29   podcast before we use the DVR so much [TS]

01:06:31   that at some point we will we suddenly [TS]

01:06:33   were watching something like sports or [TS]

01:06:34   something that was alive and my kids had [TS]

01:06:36   no immunity to commercials because they [TS]

01:06:39   they had not built up that in there like [TS]

01:06:42   volume products can be purchased like no [TS]

01:06:44   no no no let me explain what you're [TS]

01:06:46   seeing here because they just had no no [TS]

01:06:49   we learn to eventually to tune out [TS]

01:06:51   commercials are knew what they were [TS]

01:06:52   doing today we learned that a beggar mom [TS]

01:06:55   to buy the toys what we learned capital [TS]

01:06:56   of the classic but they were out of [TS]

01:06:58   class and my parents the buzz kills [TS]

01:07:00   would sit around a reality check the [TS]

01:07:01   commercials for us what I have the [TS]

01:07:04   classic is my kids and watching some of [TS]

01:07:05   the NBA with my in-laws house where they [TS]

01:07:07   have actual television which we do not [TS]

01:07:08   watch the olympics on the line watch the [TS]

01:07:10   game watch the game commercial comes on [TS]

01:07:12   the light commercial commercial NBC [TS]

01:07:14   comedies come on like commercial [TS]

01:07:16   commercial know those people are [TS]

01:07:18   actually talking about no it's clearly [TS]

01:07:19   an advertising like know those people [TS]

01:07:21   actually pay all right maybe you can [TS]

01:07:23   filter the couple was very funny and no [TS]

01:07:26   no i think it's interesting I mean what [TS]

01:07:28   other people do about commercials for us [TS]

01:07:30   like like John said we we we started out [TS]

01:07:33   with all shows must be educational have [TS]

01:07:36   no no commercials and it's still our [TS]

01:07:38   favorite thing about netflix streaming [TS]

01:07:39   is that we can watch the same shows that [TS]

01:07:41   are on TV but have them without the [TS]

01:07:45   commercials because the cover so [TS]

01:07:47   horrible and insidious in a lot of ways [TS]

01:07:49   we've gotten to the point now where they [TS]

01:07:52   see commercials but like jason said that [TS]

01:07:55   they didn't have that immunity built up [TS]

01:07:57   and so when they first started seeing [TS]

01:07:59   commercials like they burned into their [TS]

01:08:02   brain and they could immediately recall [TS]

01:08:03   them a week later exactly what they saw [TS]

01:08:06   that commercial and why they wanted have [TS]

01:08:08   no immunity commercials anymore [TS]

01:08:09   technology a combination of hulu tivo & [TS]

01:08:12   web streaming media it i just i'd never [TS]

01:08:15   see them stuff i'm watching live TV and [TS]

01:08:17   commercial comes all of a sudden it's [TS]

01:08:18   it's I feel like that make it harder [TS]

01:08:20   make it stop [TS]

01:08:22   it's like no it's like I'm in a cargo [TS]

01:08:23   cult from like what is this wondrous [TS]

01:08:25   product you must tell me more come back [TS]

01:08:26   on my screen please I need to see what's [TS]

01:08:28   going on this is much easier i mean it's [TS]

01:08:30   much easier to to dance point to isolate [TS]

01:08:35   yourself from [TS]

01:08:36   commercials and and just because you've [TS]

01:08:38   got DVR so you can fast forward and [TS]

01:08:40   you've got on demand stuff and dvds the [TS]

01:08:42   don't even have it [TS]

01:08:43   although i will i will say my kids if [TS]

01:08:46   they're watching something at like lego [TS]

01:08:48   ninjago which is itself a commercial [TS]

01:08:50   right John it's yeah actually this is [TS]

01:08:53   one area where I've actually done Lisa's [TS]

01:08:54   parents thing and explain to my children [TS]

01:08:56   how old [TS]

01:08:56   lego ninjago is an ad for toys and as [TS]

01:08:58   for toys realize that have explained [TS]

01:09:00   this and just so you know you can keep [TS]

01:09:02   watching and now you're like Legos and [TS]

01:09:03   everything but you realize this is giant [TS]

01:09:04   ad for toys but you know and somebody [TS]

01:09:06   who works in in ad funded media they [TS]

01:09:08   always say well you know people like the [TS]

01:09:10   ads there its information to write and I [TS]

01:09:13   you roll your eyes but my kids if [TS]

01:09:15   they've got the remote and they're [TS]

01:09:17   controlling it and you know adults [TS]

01:09:18   stepped out of the room and they're [TS]

01:09:19   watching lego ninjago they don't forward [TS]

01:09:21   past commercials because to them the [TS]

01:09:23   commercials are fascinating if it like [TS]

01:09:27   oh we could get that that's so cool i [TS]

01:09:29   like this commercial it's really funny [TS]

01:09:31   and they don't you know I have to yell [TS]

01:09:34   at them like fast-forward through the [TS]

01:09:36   commercials stop watching the [TS]

01:09:37   commercials because I'm rock it baby bug [TS]

01:09:40   me and I don't want them watching them [TS]

01:09:41   but they love them so it you know i [TS]

01:09:44   think that's kind of interesting too [TS]

01:09:45   that the kids actually kinda like [TS]

01:09:46   commercials because they're targeted at [TS]

01:09:48   them right [TS]

01:09:49   like maybe can I just say that one of my [TS]

01:09:51   proudest moments as a parent is when the [TS]

01:09:53   six-year-old picked up the remote and [TS]

01:09:55   and said I know where the 32nd Skinner [TS]

01:09:58   but his daddy and uses it regularly now [TS]

01:10:01   when watching the show so where we feel [TS]

01:10:04   very SI kasta issue [TS]

01:10:06   yeah I taught both my kids to use the [TS]

01:10:09   tivo control in 30 seconds skip like way [TS]

01:10:10   before they can do anything else think [TS]

01:10:12   about it the play button the pause [TS]

01:10:13   button and 30 seconds skip and the first [TS]

01:10:15   time a commercial ever came on for my [TS]

01:10:16   kids like I think they're watching a [TS]

01:10:18   show one of us wasn't for once [TS]

01:10:19   controlling the remote i think it was my [TS]

01:10:20   son [TS]

01:10:21   we're watching the show and then the [TS]

01:10:23   show ended the show had the mid-show [TS]

01:10:25   break in the commercial came on his [TS]

01:10:27   daddy something's wrong with the TV and [TS]

01:10:28   it was very concerned this television is [TS]

01:10:30   broken like and he had no interest in [TS]

01:10:32   them but as as Jason said eventually as [TS]

01:10:34   they get older and they get into the [TS]

01:10:36   target area those commercials are [TS]

01:10:37   designed like guided missiles to make [TS]

01:10:39   the kids want to watch them and I do the [TS]

01:10:40   same thing like don't forget to skip [TS]

01:10:42   commercials for the most part they skip [TS]

01:10:43   because they want to see what happens [TS]

01:10:44   next on Ninjago yeah and [TS]

01:10:46   is no way they're gonna sit there and [TS]

01:10:47   sit through something but occasionally [TS]

01:10:49   they like it commercial starts playing [TS]

01:10:51   and it catches out of chloride will sit [TS]

01:10:53   there and watch it and I have to school [TS]

01:10:55   one to go past about you can you can [TS]

01:10:56   select the whole ads are all the [TS]

01:10:58   televisions themselves are ads [TS]

01:10:59   advertising data is not asking in we've [TS]

01:11:03   had that conversation with our [TS]

01:11:04   six-year-old though about commercials [TS]

01:11:05   like likely said where you sit down with [TS]

01:11:07   him you say these are there because [TS]

01:11:10   they're there they're trying to get you [TS]

01:11:12   to buy stuff [TS]

01:11:12   yeah I want you to go to the store and [TS]

01:11:13   buy this thing and and the six-year-old [TS]

01:11:15   is kind of understands that now and and [TS]

01:11:18   and and so we're happy about that the [TS]

01:11:19   four-year-olds not quite there yet but [TS]

01:11:21   he says so dad bod for me to buy it for [TS]

01:11:24   me that's exactly it [TS]

01:11:25   that's that right and what about what I [TS]

01:11:27   want to happen actually mean the [TS]

01:11:28   commercial or an agreement on this [TS]

01:11:30   matter that Julian what you want for [TS]

01:11:31   your birthday I want to go to target and [TS]

01:11:34   buy things really ok we're not gonna do [TS]

01:11:37   that but Ben knows every location within [TS]

01:11:40   a 30-mile radius to sell phone cards by [TS]

01:11:42   the same thing that's expected so so I'm [TS]

01:11:46   before we go because we've been talking [TS]

01:11:48   for quite a long time I want to go [TS]

01:11:49   around and and ask everybody to tell me [TS]

01:11:53   this is this is a little bit like in our [TS]

01:11:55   book club where I ask what are you [TS]

01:11:56   reading I'd like to hear something that [TS]

01:11:59   your kids something that your kids [TS]

01:12:02   really like and it could be anything but [TS]

01:12:04   i think that would be kind of [TS]

01:12:05   interesting of like something book movie [TS]

01:12:08   TV show [TS]

01:12:09   I don't know music whatever something [TS]

01:12:13   that you and your kids let's say really [TS]

01:12:15   like I i think that would be interesting [TS]

01:12:18   maybe it won't be in which case i'll [TS]

01:12:19   edit this whole part out then what is [TS]

01:12:24   what something that your kids like well [TS]

01:12:27   this is going to sound even worse than [TS]

01:12:28   the Spongebob commercials because we're [TS]

01:12:33   sort of Spongebob cultists but Benjamin [TS]

01:12:35   and I Benjamin and i really love [TS]

01:12:39   watching regular show on cartoon network [TS]

01:12:43   switch maybe yeah which may be a little [TS]

01:12:46   bit may not be quite appropriate for his [TS]

01:12:50   age but we we get a great big kick out [TS]

01:12:52   of [TS]

01:12:53   you know the the Blue Jay and the McCune [TS]

01:12:59   easy and am I wasn't hell is he [TS]

01:13:02   you know meddling with with supernatural [TS]

01:13:05   forces and let you know which I know [TS]

01:13:08   nothing [TS]

01:13:08   well i just i look like i blanked out [TS]

01:13:10   and I've had a couple of glasses as [TS]

01:13:13   infidels yeah [TS]

01:13:14   forgive me good but that's that's the [TS]

01:13:17   show that my son and I like to watch and [TS]

01:13:19   then umbrella over the lessons [TS]

01:13:21   infidelity two or three or in bella [TS]

01:13:24   really is into right now she's into [TS]

01:13:29   tangled actually and and that the thing [TS]

01:13:34   about that is she likes Rapunzel but [TS]

01:13:39   mainly she wants to she wants to grow [TS]

01:13:43   her hair really long so that's I think [TS]

01:13:44   that's what that's all about [TS]

01:13:46   so that's that's my deal right that's [TS]

01:13:49   great Dan Frakes what what what are your [TS]

01:13:51   kids liking well before I said I just [TS]

01:13:54   want to say that I know I'm not supposed [TS]

01:13:56   to do this on the internet but um ok [TS]

01:13:59   like hearing about other people parents [TS]

01:14:01   the way other people other way other [TS]

01:14:03   parents do things and I I appreciate [TS]

01:14:06   that not supposed to like other parents [TS]

01:14:07   you're not supposed to like other [TS]

01:14:08   parents thing on the internet i know i [TS]

01:14:10   know but but now I mean it's for me [TS]

01:14:12   being a parent is has always been a [TS]

01:14:14   terrifying thing from before I was [TS]

01:14:16   apparent and even now because you're [TS]

01:14:17   creating a human being even more now i [TS]

01:14:19   would say right right hex now you see [TS]

01:14:22   the full impact of it but now it's a [TS]

01:14:24   terrifying thing to me and I'm always [TS]

01:14:26   trying to be you know be a good parent [TS]

01:14:29   and I just know I know other good [TS]

01:14:32   parents and i like to hear how they do [TS]

01:14:34   things so it's been fascinating [TS]

01:14:35   listening to other things here that out [TS]

01:14:38   of the way the thing that might my older [TS]

01:14:41   daughter right now loves is doc [TS]

01:14:43   mcstuffin and I know what I mean if [TS]

01:14:46   you've seen this but it's a disney [TS]

01:14:49   cartoon and at first my wife when I [TS]

01:14:51   really don't know a disney cartoon about [TS]

01:14:53   a girl but it's a it's this little [TS]

01:14:57   african-american girl whose parents are [TS]

01:14:58   both doctors and she wants to be a [TS]

01:15:00   doctor and she's smart and she's like [TS]

01:15:03   the whole like fixing problems and [TS]

01:15:05   finding problems in figure [TS]

01:15:07   fixing gadgets and stuff and it was so [TS]

01:15:09   unlike anything I expected from a Disney [TS]

01:15:12   show and I'm actually kind of happy that [TS]

01:15:15   my daughter likes this because it's so [TS]

01:15:18   different than any other cartoons out [TS]

01:15:20   there and it's still a Disney show and [TS]

01:15:22   still kinda cheesy here and there but [TS]

01:15:23   the role models if it has an ending [TS]

01:15:26   things that it that it highlights are [TS]

01:15:30   you know are things that were ok with [TS]

01:15:32   and so we're pretty we're kind of [TS]

01:15:35   enjoying that she's going through this [TS]

01:15:36   phase [TS]

01:15:38   ok alright i hadn't heard of that one so [TS]

01:15:41   good [TS]

01:15:42   good to know Glenn fleischmann what what [TS]

01:15:45   are your kids liking well pokemon cards [TS]

01:15:49   pokemon pokemon is a medic virus it's us [TS]

01:15:53   south park episode about the Polka [TS]

01:15:55   Chinpokomon yes doesn't seem false to me [TS]

01:16:00   now it's just something a little too [TS]

01:16:03   dramatic about it but I know what we we [TS]

01:16:06   like is as a family is shaun the sheep [TS]

01:16:07   which is only sold favorite there's even [TS]

01:16:10   a spin-off about Timmy the Sheep little [TS]

01:16:13   baby she going to preschool the opposite [TS]

01:16:16   is good but Sean the only thing that's [TS]

01:16:17   wrong with sean is it needs to be more [TS]

01:16:19   and more seasons is very clever show [TS]

01:16:20   it's got a lot of good Israel will roll [TS]

01:16:23   weakly kind of grown-up stuff in it and [TS]

01:16:26   it is just hilarious [TS]

01:16:27   what's funny is we used we watch the [TS]

01:16:30   show for a while in my wife popped in [TS]

01:16:31   once and said nobody talks the show do [TS]

01:16:34   they all the future 100 where's think [TS]

01:16:36   about it because they make bleeding [TS]

01:16:38   noises and other things in the farmer [TS]

01:16:40   makes noises but it's pretty good my dad [TS]

01:16:42   wants us all to watch phineas and ferb [TS]

01:16:44   he's taken by that my dad was a [TS]

01:16:46   political fan used to watch TV sales [TS]

01:16:48   music college and and like spongebob it [TS]

01:16:51   was on the early seasons so i have not [TS]

01:16:53   worn condition for being perhaps in the [TS]

01:16:55   kids are older we will [TS]

01:16:57   it's good it's not bad [TS]

01:17:00   financing for John syracuse so what are [TS]

01:17:03   your kids liking something [TS]

01:17:06   lego ninjago a lot yeah there's not a [TS]

01:17:08   lot of overlap between my daughter and [TS]

01:17:10   my son like it's not for lack of trying [TS]

01:17:11   because we get them all pretty much the [TS]

01:17:12   same don't totally get them both legos [TS]

01:17:14   we get them both you know dolls but you [TS]

01:17:16   know action figures over and it's like [TS]

01:17:18   they just gravitate towards [TS]

01:17:19   what they want but they did find one [TS]

01:17:20   common interest in a television show and [TS]

01:17:23   that they're forced to watch each [TS]

01:17:24   other's television shows to some degree [TS]

01:17:26   because the others the one TV and sit on [TS]

01:17:27   the couch and take turns right the one [TS]

01:17:29   show that they could both agree on for a [TS]

01:17:30   long period of time and they're actually [TS]

01:17:31   out of this phase now but I think it's [TS]

01:17:33   worth mentioning is a my little pony [TS]

01:17:36   friendship is magic [TS]

01:17:38   Wow holy jesus your kids are bronies [TS]

01:17:41   which is a show that adult men profess [TS]

01:17:44   phantom 4 and both both my son and my [TS]

01:17:49   daughter got totally into the show my [TS]

01:17:51   son was old enough now to to to hide [TS]

01:17:54   this fact a little bit and I you know [TS]

01:17:57   like we are writing a picture of what [TS]

01:17:59   while he was watching my little pony [TS]

01:18:01   like that take pictures and why do you [TS]

01:18:03   know but he was totally into it and so [TS]

01:18:04   is my daughter and this is a show by the [TS]

01:18:06   way that my little pony show is made by [TS]

01:18:08   I think it's a woman or whoever is the [TS]

01:18:10   creative force behind this research is [TS]

01:18:12   someone who played with my little ponies [TS]

01:18:13   a child but realize that her childhood [TS]

01:18:17   my little pony and the things they had [TS]

01:18:18   back then were crap and she wanted to [TS]

01:18:20   make a show that looks to her now as an [TS]

01:18:22   adult [TS]

01:18:23   what she imagined the quality she [TS]

01:18:25   imagined in my little pony when she was [TS]

01:18:27   a child so she made a show that is not [TS]

01:18:29   terrible for adults to watch that [TS]

01:18:31   actually is clever and interesting i [TS]

01:18:33   kind of like you know Richie's [TS]

01:18:35   retconning her own childhood so my [TS]

01:18:36   little pony was just hollow crap when I [TS]

01:18:38   was a kid but I thought it was the best [TS]

01:18:39   thing ever so I'm going to make a show [TS]

01:18:41   now is a creative adult that actually is [TS]

01:18:43   the best thing ever and oh by the way [TS]

01:18:44   kids boys and girls will like it and I [TS]

01:18:46   was amazed by that I didn't introduce [TS]

01:18:48   the show to them they found it on their [TS]

01:18:49   own [TS]

01:18:50   through the magic of netflix or one of [TS]

01:18:51   the other team services we have hooked [TS]

01:18:53   up to our TV and I give that a big [TS]

01:18:56   thumbs-up community between brother and [TS]

01:18:59   sister [TS]

01:18:59   alright 22 which been a check replied [TS]

01:19:03   holy jesus just throw that in there [TS]

01:19:08   uh Steve Lutz what what are your kids [TS]

01:19:11   like him [TS]

01:19:12   well it's kind of hard to to Center on [TS]

01:19:15   one particular thing because just the [TS]

01:19:17   nature of having so much entertainment [TS]

01:19:19   at their fingertips we kind of bounced [TS]

01:19:21   all over the place you know they'll go [TS]

01:19:24   through a phase where we're we're [TS]

01:19:25   enjoying a particular show or or [TS]

01:19:29   or a movie or something but that phase [TS]

01:19:31   seems like it lasts about 30 seconds and [TS]

01:19:34   then we're on to the next thing they're [TS]

01:19:36   there was a kind of harry potter thing [TS]

01:19:38   going on for a while ago yeah and and [TS]

01:19:40   that's that's kind of over and done with [TS]

01:19:42   although it so i mean that's that's [TS]

01:19:45   that's pretty much done that they were [TS]

01:19:46   big on and still are actually I big on [TS]

01:19:50   all the Disney Channel shows I I can [TS]

01:19:54   kind of here Greg NOS from here [TS]

01:19:55   screaming he's not a big fan of those [TS]

01:19:58   but some of them are not terribly bad [TS]

01:20:01   and I can get some of them are even [TS]

01:20:02   tolerable enough to sit and watch that [TS]

01:20:05   maybe I'm going too far but yeah okay [TS]

01:20:07   and there are a few that aren't that bad [TS]

01:20:10   i mean there's there's something fairly [TS]

01:20:11   clever good luck charlie is not terrible [TS]

01:20:13   huh [TS]

01:20:14   there are there something that you know [TS]

01:20:17   make you want to call your eyeballs out [TS]

01:20:18   but yeah there are a few that are decent [TS]

01:20:20   and there was briefly there was actually [TS]

01:20:22   a sketch show called so random which was [TS]

01:20:25   I guess a spin-off of something called [TS]

01:20:27   sunny with a chance that i forget the [TS]

01:20:32   girl's name she had some sort of eating [TS]

01:20:34   disorder and had quit [TS]

01:20:37   well at any rate her her previous [TS]

01:20:39   vehicle ended and then the rest of the [TS]

01:20:41   Caddy the show was about her being on a [TS]

01:20:45   sketch-comedy show and when she could no [TS]

01:20:50   longer continue with the show and that [TS]

01:20:51   show was cancelled they actually took [TS]

01:20:53   the show within the show and made it the [TS]

01:20:55   show so so random which was the show [TS]

01:20:58   that she had previously been starring in [TS]

01:21:00   in sunny with the chance what it was now [TS]

01:21:02   the actual show which is kind of weird [TS]

01:21:05   and meta because the characters in the [TS]

01:21:06   show have you know there there there [TS]

01:21:09   there Sonny with a Chance names so [TS]

01:21:11   everybody has a different name than what [TS]

01:21:13   their actual name is I don't know it's [TS]

01:21:15   it's a it's a little weird anyway up but [TS]

01:21:17   we really enjoyed that i'm not sure if [TS]

01:21:18   that's been been cancelled or not but [TS]

01:21:21   that was actually appointment viewing [TS]

01:21:24   for the family for a while [TS]

01:21:26   lately though the the probably one of [TS]

01:21:31   the be prouder moments of my parenting [TS]

01:21:34   career is that i have managed to get the [TS]

01:21:35   kids into point-and-click adventure [TS]

01:21:37   games something for my you that I really [TS]

01:21:40   appreciate it [TS]

01:21:41   and most recently we've been playing [TS]

01:21:44   through the first series of the telltale [TS]

01:21:46   games salmon max which has been pretty [TS]

01:21:51   enjoyable and they it's fun to watch [TS]

01:21:54   them kind of work through things [TS]

01:21:55   although they get frustrated and give up [TS]

01:21:58   a lot quicker than i would like which is [TS]

01:21:59   kind of something that I'm trying to [TS]

01:22:02   work on with them I you know I could [TS]

01:22:04   through got other things to do for us we [TS]

01:22:05   had nothing but that screen and mouse [TS]

01:22:07   and you're gonna figure out how to see [TS]

01:22:09   the next screen if it kills us [TS]

01:22:11   well it's really interesting to see the [TS]

01:22:13   difference between my son and my [TS]

01:22:14   daughter my daughter gives up [TS]

01:22:15   immediately and she'll ask me you know [TS]

01:22:17   what I do and my son will bang his head [TS]

01:22:19   against the wall for a long long time [TS]

01:22:21   before he'll give up so they have very [TS]

01:22:23   different approaches to to the game but [TS]

01:22:25   it's interesting trying to kind of walk [TS]

01:22:28   the tightrope between you know I don't [TS]

01:22:29   want to just walk you through the game I [TS]

01:22:31   want you to actually go get something [TS]

01:22:32   out of it and appreciate the truth [TS]

01:22:34   you've managed to solve a puzzle and you [TS]

01:22:36   figured out the game and nu you really [TS]

01:22:38   feel like you've achieved something when [TS]

01:22:39   you're done with it but at the same time [TS]

01:22:41   if you don't guide them through at a [TS]

01:22:43   reasonable level they give up on it and [TS]

01:22:46   they walk away and then they don't get [TS]

01:22:48   to enjoy the game out that was good [TS]

01:22:50   those games are pretty hard though I [TS]

01:22:51   mean as adults who can't get through [TS]

01:22:52   those so you do have to help out a [TS]

01:22:54   little bit [TS]

01:22:54   well the tell-tale ones I find are all [TS]

01:22:56   pretty easy which is nice because [TS]

01:22:57   they're there episodic and so you know [TS]

01:22:59   they release one of six episodes every [TS]

01:23:03   month or something and so each of them [TS]

01:23:05   is in its own right maybe about an hour [TS]

01:23:07   and a half long at the most so most [TS]

01:23:10   puzzles are pretty simplistic you don't [TS]

01:23:12   have 6,000 are you're playing the new [TS]

01:23:14   ones not be about the originals [TS]

01:23:16   that's right yeah now I haven't I [TS]

01:23:18   haven't really gotten into the the old [TS]

01:23:19   ones before becoming harder to [TS]

01:23:20   experience the ones with the full they [TS]

01:23:22   were yeah and having experienced the [TS]

01:23:25   games with the full voice acting and all [TS]

01:23:27   that stuff it's it's kind of hard to [TS]

01:23:29   wean them off of that and pull them back [TS]

01:23:30   to something like monkey island which I [TS]

01:23:32   would dearly love to get them into [TS]

01:23:33   although in the case of monkey island [TS]

01:23:35   they have actually released some special [TS]

01:23:36   editions that would with the voice [TS]

01:23:38   acting so that's probably where we'll go [TS]

01:23:39   next but right now I'm just trying to [TS]

01:23:42   wrap them up to where they they they [TS]

01:23:44   enjoy the game and with the kind of [TS]

01:23:46   simplicity of the short episodic [TS]

01:23:48   structure it that actually works pretty [TS]

01:23:50   well for them so we're having a good [TS]

01:23:52   time with that's right [TS]

01:23:54   Lisa what is a what is twenty-two [TS]

01:23:58   month-old Trixie liking she's at a [TS]

01:24:01   buddys fault nobody give her some credit [TS]

01:24:05   I'm you know you're right i was gonna [TS]

01:24:07   say it since she's in the phase where [TS]

01:24:09   her likes and dislikes change by the [TS]

01:24:12   minute [TS]

01:24:13   some of the more constant when she does [TS]

01:24:15   love her canonical books all three of [TS]

01:24:16   them and she's got enough all careful [TS]

01:24:20   yeah it's canonical and it's got well [TS]

01:24:22   what's really interesting to me and she [TS]

01:24:24   points at issue point I different [TS]

01:24:26   details in the books now can you put on [TS]

01:24:31   dogs if she sees dogs and she does the [TS]

01:24:33   little fits along with Trixie in the [TS]

01:24:35   books so she likes those she really [TS]

01:24:39   really loves the ipad and there's a [TS]

01:24:42   bunch of apps on there that she likes [TS]

01:24:43   there's a company called toca Boca oh [TS]

01:24:45   yeah yeah and she loves the toca Boca [TS]

01:24:48   tea party we have tea parties all the [TS]

01:24:50   time and she and she's very good [TS]

01:24:52   dragging and dropping and and and you [TS]

01:24:55   know getting her bunny to eat the [TS]

01:24:56   cookies and refill [TS]

01:24:59   there is also an apt for the old Sesame [TS]

01:25:01   Street book the Monster at the End of [TS]

01:25:02   this book and she loves that app and one [TS]

01:25:07   of the things that she insists we watch [TS]

01:25:09   every day is the video made by that guy [TS]

01:25:12   who goes around the world and dances [TS]

01:25:13   infront of things were different people [TS]

01:25:14   other where the where the hell is Matt [TS]

01:25:16   she loves the she loves the most recent [TS]

01:25:19   video and she will point out when the [TS]

01:25:21   witch doctor comes up in South Africa [TS]

01:25:22   and she's looks forward to seeing the [TS]

01:25:24   seal and she likes she knows where all [TS]

01:25:26   the kids are in different shots and she [TS]

01:25:28   claps along and today when i was showing [TS]

01:25:30   it to her secretary during the scheduled [TS]

01:25:33   ten am showing when I was showing it to [TS]

01:25:35   she was actually singing along to the [TS]

01:25:36   lyrics so she's been you know she kind [TS]

01:25:39   of picks up the lyrics and sings along [TS]

01:25:40   to those two [TS]

01:25:41   I mean I haven't I have a whole reading [TS]

01:25:43   was because because the first thing [TS]

01:25:44   she'll do when she gets up she reads but [TS]

01:25:46   you know the books that Ricky likes [TS]

01:25:47   change for the day she's much more [TS]

01:25:49   consistent with your videos are apps [TS]

01:25:50   coming back around two to me the the [TS]

01:25:54   apps the if I had to pick one thing to [TS]

01:25:57   my kids like I would say the ipad just [TS]

01:25:59   as a as a device the number of of apps [TS]

01:26:03   and [TS]

01:26:04   and games and just giant time wasters [TS]

01:26:08   and it is that we have a we and the kids [TS]

01:26:12   playing the way but really if there's a [TS]

01:26:14   device that would be the thing that [TS]

01:26:15   obsesses them and that they would like [TS]

01:26:17   to play all the time forever [TS]

01:26:19   it would be the ipad and I think that's [TS]

01:26:21   what they're going to think of it there [TS]

01:26:22   there you know remember when we were [TS]

01:26:25   kids what we did [TS]

01:26:26   it's going to be playing stuff on the [TS]

01:26:28   ipad the only other thing I would say [TS]

01:26:30   that my kids are liking now is my [TS]

01:26:32   daughter is really into a lot of [TS]

01:26:34   different reality TV like cooking [TS]

01:26:37   competition shows especially like the [TS]

01:26:40   cupcake show the cake show and all these [TS]

01:26:43   other possible yeah all the shows that I [TS]

01:26:45   refuse to watch the one place where [TS]

01:26:47   where where my my kids do have a show in [TS]

01:26:50   common other than lego ninjago of course [TS]

01:26:52   is the amazing race my kids are obsessed [TS]

01:26:55   with the amazing race and that's [TS]

01:26:56   actually a relatively friendly show for [TS]

01:27:00   them to watch and their friends are are [TS]

01:27:02   into it too so it's been on for a [TS]

01:27:04   billion years but now kids are are [TS]

01:27:06   discovering the delights of the amazing [TS]

01:27:09   race so that's that's show my kids that [TS]

01:27:11   house completely different from [TS]

01:27:12   reference for reality TV than we do [TS]

01:27:14   yeah yeah absolutely it's kind of [TS]

01:27:16   mind-blowing yeah you're just so i'll [TS]

01:27:20   i'll echo that my kids I i talked about [TS]

01:27:23   TV shows but my kids would take an ipad [TS]

01:27:25   over TV everyday everyday and and you [TS]

01:27:28   know it's it's amazing that this kind of [TS]

01:27:31   thing didn't exist you know five years [TS]

01:27:32   ago but the interactivity is what they [TS]

01:27:35   they like about it they they would [TS]

01:27:37   rather do something where they're [TS]

01:27:39   interacting with it then sit in front of [TS]

01:27:42   a TV and watch something happen and and [TS]

01:27:45   and you know people talk about kids [TS]

01:27:48   using ipads and iphones and ipod touches [TS]

01:27:50   too much but there's something to be [TS]

01:27:51   said for that that's that's a good thing [TS]

01:27:52   I think what I think it's kind of [TS]

01:27:54   exciting is if you take a look at the [TS]

01:27:56   direction pop culture is going into it's [TS]

01:27:58   very participatory and hands-on you've [TS]

01:28:00   got a lot of people who make fan videos [TS]

01:28:02   and and super dubs and they'll take what [TS]

01:28:06   I mean it seems like the attitude among [TS]

01:28:08   teenagers and twenty-somethings now is [TS]

01:28:09   that commercially produced pop culture [TS]

01:28:11   is just source material for them to do [TS]

01:28:13   something new and original and funny [TS]

01:28:15   and I think that's kind of exciting and [TS]

01:28:18   we're raising a generation of kids who [TS]

01:28:19   see interactivity and remix culture is [TS]

01:28:22   their birthright [TS]

01:28:22   so I'm looking forward to seeing where [TS]

01:28:24   this goes the next 10 years [TS]

01:28:26   yeah that definitely yeah yeah it's big [TS]

01:28:30   it's a big deal [TS]

01:28:31   well this brings us to the end of this [TS]

01:28:33   lovely parental guidance edition of the [TS]

01:28:37   uncomfortable and that this is where my [TS]

01:28:40   kids and I were watching back to the [TS]

01:28:41   future and their some bad words in there [TS]

01:28:43   and we started I said it's rated PG and [TS]

01:28:45   I said I'll guide you when necessary and [TS]

01:28:47   then whenever they would be a bad word [TS]

01:28:49   to guidance guidance that was a bad one [TS]

01:28:51   don't say the word and then we will just [TS]

01:28:53   continue on [TS]

01:28:54   so anyway this has been great and and a [TS]

01:28:57   little off the beaten path for us and [TS]

01:28:59   and yet I you know this is for those of [TS]

01:29:02   us who are parents this is the stuff we [TS]

01:29:04   grapple with day in and day out i think [TS]

01:29:06   it's fun to you it's sort of in the [TS]

01:29:08   context of the incomparable on the [TS]

01:29:09   Commedia and stuff that we're interested [TS]

01:29:11   in ourselves so thank you all for being [TS]

01:29:14   here [TS]

01:29:14   I'm now i'll thank you individually as [TS]

01:29:16   is my custom blend fleischmann thank you [TS]

01:29:18   for being here thank you young man dick [TS]

01:29:22   Thank You old old grandpappy a Steve [TS]

01:29:26   let's thank you for being here it's 950 [TS]

01:29:30   p.m. do you know where your children are [TS]

01:29:32   we're on Todd cast we why would we know [TS]

01:29:37   that I have no idea my son once wrote a [TS]

01:29:41   a thing about his parents and he said he [TS]

01:29:45   said at night my daddy does podcasting [TS]

01:29:48   Lisa Schwyzer thank you for being here [TS]

01:29:54   my pleasure it's great having you damn [TS]

01:29:57   freaks thank you for coming back on so [TS]

01:29:59   soon and no thank you never thank you [TS]

01:30:02   everybody actually for for all the all [TS]

01:30:05   the inside gives interesting [TS]

01:30:06   yeah this is great Ben Boychuk are [TS]

01:30:08   always a pleasure to have you on we need [TS]

01:30:09   to have you on more often [TS]

01:30:12   well thanks for having me and I really [TS]

01:30:14   feel like I need a krabby patty right [TS]

01:30:16   about now [TS]

01:30:17   and John siracusa thank you as always [TS]

01:30:21   for being on the incomparable my [TS]

01:30:25   pleasure Jason and until next time this [TS]

01:30:28   is jason still signing off thanks for [TS]

01:30:29   listening [TS]