The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 109 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► September atlantique well welcome back [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► to the incomparable podcast and Jason [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► smell your host and I'm convening a very [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► strange episode of our book club because [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► many of our usual book club participants [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► are not here when fleischmann didn't [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► read the book Glenn damn Warren didn't [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► read the book [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► damn it Randy called well know John [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► siracusa a bit of a slow reader John [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► siracusa here's who read the book of [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► course Scott McNulty read the book [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► because he suggested the book and we do [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► well apparently not i was gonna say we [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► do what Scott says but apparently I do [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► what Scott says I read this book Scott [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► thank you for being here with Jason [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► thank you for doing my bidding once [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► yep that's why obey and strangely enough [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► because we thought him actually [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► illiterate Steve let's also read the [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► book hi Steve [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► hello there how many how many books do [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► you read usually many are you are you an [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► avid reader that we just did and you [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► just downplay it [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► this makes 1 i'm so the first book you [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► read [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► yeah it was it was a kind of rough start [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► but now I I read when I get the chance [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► but there's usually I usually find [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► myself with so much media at my [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► fingertips and so many other options to [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► fill my time that I tend to not do so [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► much reading unless I find myself say in [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► a restaurant by myself or somewhere [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► actually have nothing better to do real [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► well you crap you travel so I would [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► imagine that I do that that happens that [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► you're in a recent so usually I i read [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► books in fits and starts and if I don't [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► finish it in one trip there's about you [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► know maybe a month gap and then I [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► finished the book and forgotten by that [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► time everything that was in the first [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► half of the book and of course I read it [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► in like one hour to an hour and a half [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► it increments because that's how long it [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► takes to [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► free meal when our meal when you're [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► sitting and reading sound so that would [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► be complicated if you forgot about this [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► book halfway through its a slow and [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► painful process [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► yeah yes this book this book is a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► strange example so we're talking about [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► our book selection for this episode is [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► cloud atlas a novel it's not the cloud [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► atlas that's just like it's not you it's [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► not though you're rich mix remix not the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► cloud atlas its cloud atlas obvious lie [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► i know by british author david mitchell [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► who is not the same david mitchell who [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► is in the comedy team [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► mitchell and webb even though same name [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► both British not the same guy as far as [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► i can tell and this is from 2004 and it [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► won some awards shortlisted for some [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► more awards but what's most interesting [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► about it perhaps in the in this yea year [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► 2012 is that the Wachowskis and the guy [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► who edited or who directed run lola run [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► are collaborating on this blockbuster [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► Hollywood although it's funded by German [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► so for linear would I don't know [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► blockbuster movie that's coming out in [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► in October make the Wachowskis are [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► behind this [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► yeah and and Tom tight tight cover the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► the run lola run guy so that when she [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► asks haven't ruined anything in awhile [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► and they decided they decide they're [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► gonna ruin this book in a great so stiff [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► so but we read it before that and as [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► Escott pointed out you want to read the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► book before you every character in it is [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► just in your head is Tom Hanks just as a [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► shield against the destruction that will [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► undoubtedly be wrecked upon it by the [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► film crew and reading the book i have a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► hard time [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► wha wrapping my head around how this [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► movie is going to work at all but yeah [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► yeah it's a strange it's a strange book [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► um so let's let's start there with the [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► structure this book this book is is a [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► series of interconnected stories and yes [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► let's fire off the soap spoiler horn [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► and we're going to talk about the [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► contents of the book spoilers contents [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► of the book could be considered spoil it [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► it's a series of these inner inner [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► walking stories right so there's there's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► a story about a guy in like 1850 who's [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► on a ship in the Pacific Ocean and very [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► specific islands there's a story about a [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► British composer who is in Belgium as [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► the a- ensis that I pronounce that sure [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► sounds good why not he's the assistant [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► to a compete with heat finagles his way [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► into being an assistant to a famous [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► composer inside that story is a story in [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► the nineteen seventies in a fictional [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► Southern California city about a plucky [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► young journalist who is on the case of [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► corporate crime inside that story is a [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► story about a UH a vanity press [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► publisher in England who is runs afoul [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► of the family of one of his authors and [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► has to flee and he's accidentally [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► committed to an old age home by his [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► brother right [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► I'm trying to make sure I got all of [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► these at inside that one is a story [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► about a clone who is a genetically [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► engineered person who's been engineered [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► to basically be a waitress at a korean [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► mcdonalds except they put something in [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► her food that makes her fully aware and [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► smart instead of all of her other clones [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► who are not particularly intelligent [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► because they've been engineered that way [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► to just be happy as servers and then [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► inside that one at the core of this is a [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► story about a guy [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► Zachary who tom hanks seriously no i [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► don't i know i know it's crazy i will [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► afterward I looked up which I don't [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► think so he's not playing every [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► characters playing half like half of and [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► Jim Broadbent i think is playing with [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► her anyway [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► Zachary I was a resident of the big [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► island of hawaii in a post [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► apocalyptic civilization has completely [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► crashed and there's a sort of chaos and [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► barbarism on the island and their [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► visited by one of the last bastions of [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► civilization in the world there's a [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► visitor who comes and visits them and so [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► these these seemingly unrelated stories [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► are are chained together in this book [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► and what stranger is they're chained [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► together in this nesting configuration [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► where you read the first half of all [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► these stories going forward in time and [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► then the last story you read the whole [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► thing and then it backs you out and you [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► read the second half of all of the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► stories going backward all the way to [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► the beginning it is absolutely crazy it [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► is crazy she turns out is actually kind [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► of a bad idea because the first couple [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► of segments are kind of slow going and [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► not quite as interesting as the middle [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► segment so that you get to that the last [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► two segments you get past the second the [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► recent at second half of the Luisa Rey [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► part and suddenly you're just like I'm [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► not sure everything went to tell what [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► about their to the new pocket of the [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► islands special yeah so I i think that I [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► having read the whole book I found it [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► fascinating that so there are these six [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► nested stories and they are [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► interconnected so the first story is a [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► journal that the main character in the [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► second story finds the first half of [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► historian has exactly and the second so [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the main character in the second half of [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► the book is it the second story in the [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► book i should say it's written as a [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► series of letters and those letters are [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► to the character in the third story of [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► the book who is in this Luisa Rey [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► mystery which turns out to be a [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► manuscript yes that is submitted to the [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► vanity press publisher the vanity press [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► publisher who have initial Cavendish who [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► becomes a star in a movie [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► there's a movie based on his story based [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► on his story which is named for the [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► clone yes which screen for the clone and [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► then the the post-apocalyptic one [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► somehow the clone I think becomes like a [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► that the in the the clone stories told [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► us her interrogation by sort of a record [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► keeper and put on a hologram and I [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► hologram is shown by the the black class [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► representative of civilization visiting [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► the Big Island of Hawaii [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► the little hologram is shown to the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► people there [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► I mean wow [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► right i mean you can't fault the the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► author for being ambitious right it is [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► it is a crazy chain of events rolled [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► into a novel and it's very specifically [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► called I at least on my kindle it's [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► called cloud atlas colon a novel as if [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► to remind you you are actually reading a [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► novel [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► it's not just a short story collection [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► that ends maddeningly in the middle of [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► every story it's a novel [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► yeah and and i think it's interesting [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► that so the six stories are written in [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► very different styles as well [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► no you can't you don't get he doesn't [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► let you really rest at all because it [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► keeps changing not only all the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► characters and storylines but how he is [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► writing them as well the first the first [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► one is written in the style of of of the [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► pros of the mid-nineteenth century which [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► is to say nearly unreadable in it is it [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► style it [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► yeah it's a tough tough going first 50 [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► pages or so which is when I I suggested [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► we read this book I i made sure to point [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► out to everyone [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► the first part is the most difficult I [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► think to really I gras which then makes [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► the last part the least satisfying [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► reason i think yes but I oddly enough I [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► I didn't think the first part i didn't [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► have that much trouble with the first [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► part which sort of shocked me because I [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► i recognized as i was reading it that [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► the language was a bit shall we say [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► Florida and a little stilted and and and [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► a lot of archaic words were in use and [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► but I i was kind of impressed with [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► myself because i realized i was reading [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► it hot [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► I know most of the school and then you [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► know I'd run across some mention of some [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► historical thing that happened and it [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► just happened to be something that I [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► randomly knew about so I think I kind of [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► locked into a greater appreciation of [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► that first portion i got a second part [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► and and because i guess i had trekked [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► through the first portion of it the sex [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► and second half of it actually rolled [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► even even quicker strangers like I'd [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► prime to myself and then having taken a [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► break and read through the easier stuff [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► in the middle i was ready to go back to [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► it and my mental muscle for that kind of [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► prose is the rest agree that's the great [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► cliff hanger where we discover that that [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► the the protagonist of that section has [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► been told that he has a brain worm that [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► can only be treated by his quack of a [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► doctor by giving him cocaine as far as i [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► can tell here have some more cocaine you [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► know it works [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► yeah yeah and then you left sort of [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► wondering is he going to die and it [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► turns out that the book we discover in [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► the next section the book has been torn [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► in half and he doesn't know where the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► other half of the book is and only at [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► the end or do we discovered that it's I [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► didn't used to like prop up the bed so [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► that doesn't slant and he pulls it out [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► in the wedge where it is and yeah how [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► lucky for us he happened to look under [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► the bed and find that second half [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► yes it would have been a lopsided novel [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► if it lasts actually has found that I [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► never yes different dr timothy or 10 who [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► is he writing to 6 minutes 26 minutes i [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► couldn't find the other part of that [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► book I don't know what happened to that [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► fellow who had been given the cocaine [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► for the brain worm that anyway that life [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► is terrible goodbye help when you guys [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► got to the end of the first portion and [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► it just cut off in mid-sentence did you [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► go looking to see if maybe you had a [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► misprint you get kindle the conversions [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► right version CII was rolling around in [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► the back trying to find out of page 41 [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► ended up stuck in the wrong section of [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► the book i just made me laugh similar [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► experience I just thought it was a crazy [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► stunt by the by the writer and then of [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► course in a second when when when the [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► character in the second section [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► discovers this and is infuriated by the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► fact that it ends in the middle of this [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► side bad laughs again that's I think one [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► of my favorite things about this book is [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► that it's so self-conscious and it keeps [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► making references to itself [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► oh yes like I i think in that's that [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► second section Frobisher actually says [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the language doesn't ring true in the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► journal yes so like he's aware that he's [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► only partially researched what [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► writing should sound like coming from [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► 1850 he doesn't believe that that it may [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► even not even be true right i mean [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► there's a question throughout about all [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► I mean about accuracy because in the eye [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► in the section about uh saw me the the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► clone you know she's not seeing the [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► reality of Timothy Cavendish's life and [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► his being committed to the home and [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► escaping in a wacky adventures sequence [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► that will be perfect for the movie she's [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► watching the movie about it right so [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► it's it's not as if the reality is [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► necessarily entirely collect connected [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► and they these stories i had had that [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► moment of wondering whether the stories [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► that we are looking at you know are on [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► one level we want to believe that [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► they're all connected and we're watching [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► in some ways like reincarnation of all [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► these people throughout history on [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► another level it sort of suggesting that [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► we're watching a stack of all most [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► unreliable narrators going so by the [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► time we get to 22 last one I mean we've [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► gone through so many different [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► mediations you know hologram and movie [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► based on a book and a novel based on [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► real events ? you know and then and then [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► the letters and then this crazy journal [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► that you've gotta wonder whether this is [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► all you know is that is any of this real [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► you know or or not it's crazy pretty [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► funny [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► look of course as the readers were aware [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► that all these people are are coming [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► from the pen of David Mitchell so I just [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► thought it was very endearing that he [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► chose to head off his critics at the [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► past by it openly stating that the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► language is wrong in the Ewing journal [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► and I Timothy Cavendish calls the [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► writing in the Luisa Rey book arts leaf [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► parsley clever at one point right so of [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► course he's referring his own writing in [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► that section that's quite funny and he [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► even even at has an answer for you know [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► that the the fact that you could [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► reasonably say well that Timothy [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► Cavender section is basically one flew [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► over the cuckoo's nest with an old guy [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► right or the UH sonmi 451 section is [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► basically just every seventies dystopian [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► flicks right-click all mixed together [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► but then he goes through this this this [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► long long but it goes through like half [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► a paragraph saying that he says that the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► ghost of Sir Felix Finch wines but it's [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► been done a hundred times before as if [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► there could be anything not done a [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► hundred thousand times between [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► Aristophanes and andrew void Webber as [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► if art is the what not the how so he's [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► actually coming out and saying you know [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► it's that it's the how here right [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► it doesn't really matter that I've [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► recycled 20 different stories from you [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► know from the past the point is that [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► that we're getting there in interesting [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► and different way [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah I I've read a lot of different [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► books in different styles and I don't [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► recall ever reading something that was [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► as audacious is this as a trying to [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► connect these totally different [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► completely different genres completely [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► different timeframes having them connect [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► in a bunch of different ways and then [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► commenting on itself as it goes it's you [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► know it's a Scottish it have you did [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► this call to mind other things that [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► you've read i know that you have booked [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► amnesia but I i do have a often have [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► booked amnesia but i've read so this is [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► in the kind of the school of a [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► postmodernism i suppose in that it is a [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► very cognizant of its own story telling [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► and structure and it's a pastiche of a [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► variety of different stories like Steve [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► was saying and so one of the ways that [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► you know there's this whole school of [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► thought literature that there's nothing [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► new in under the Sun so you can just [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► kind of take the already existing [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► components and reconfigure them and the [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► only way to make art is to basically [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► remix other things that people have done [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► so that is what I think that he is [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► trying to do here so i cannot think of [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► any particular novels that do it as far [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► as he has tried tried to take it whether [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► and so that leads me two of my own [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► question for both of you so he is trying [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► this we can agree that it's a very [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► ambitious novel and I wonder as both of [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► you as readers did it work for you or [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► did you think you were he was spending [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► too much time with like you know [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► technical wizardry and kind of trying to [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► make it work as opposed to telling a [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► compelling story or six compelling [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► stories about us you know uh I think [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► they work to to varying degrees [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► I actually felt like you know some of [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► the stories i hope i thought were really [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► excellently done and others i found less [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► compelling I mean I honestly found that [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► that that first story not particularly [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► interesting it got there were there are [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► some interesting moments i think the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► second half was more interesting than [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► the first but I you know I really liked [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► the Luisa Rey section I'm I kind of got [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► into the the the composer story after a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► while and realizing i was reading a 20 i [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► almost like a Fitzgerald kind of this [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► this is a miserable human being that i'm [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► reading a story of and when I realized [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► that I wasn't really supposed to like [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► him and he does a series of terrible [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► things and it reminded me a lot of [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► Sorrows of Young Harris did you know [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► yeah yeah i was very reminiscent that [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► particularly in the second half when he [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► you know he meets his demise of his own [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► yes very romantic about the whole thing [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► and his oldest is a his epic dissing by [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► the girl yes daughter of the composer [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► yeah yeah i do so i ended up when I [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► realized what I was seeing there and [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► almost like when I realized what the [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► template was and it's in the template is [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► no I get it I I see what's going on here [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► I you know but the loser a mystery that [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► but you know breezy 70 is almost you [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► know it's almost like a I mean there are [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► plenty of examples of that seventies [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► crime you know [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► plucky plucky journalist detective thing [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► I that was really enjoyable that was a [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► lot of fun [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► the Cavendish thing was not it was ok [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► this on me section i really liked and [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the and the the Zachary section parts of [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► it were good but I felt like it went on [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► too long it didn't get cut in half like [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► the others maybe that was one of the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► reasons why I felt like I sort of scene [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► apocalyptic I mean it was almost like [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► something out of Paolo Bacigalupi except [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► not and I think not [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► not as good as that I i was reminded of [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► Paolo Bacigalupi as i read that [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah i mean it's it's post-op echo [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► about the apocalypse post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► thing right I gotta read some of his [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► books so that I just have the [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► opportunity to say is not a budget let's [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► move on [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah but the loop electrical is [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► fun to say but you're gonna be even [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► Mitchell Mitchell david mitchell [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► mitchell you so so I guess [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► Scott asked to answer your question uh [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► you know I think it's a mixed bag i [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► think there's some stories that i really [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► liked another stories that were were [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► okay and once I realized with the [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► premise was I really was excited when I [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► got to this on me story i was excited to [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► know that I had the rest of the Luisa [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► Rey mystery coming up after I got [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► through Timothy Cavendish right it's and [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► turns out the Timothy Cavendish and is [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► also a lot of fun because there is a [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► whole you know escape from the old age [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► home plot that happens that's actually [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► i'm using to I mean I i should say we [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► can make the sound like a ponderous you [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► know just no fun [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► that's very serious from many [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► experimental postmodern themes and but [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► you know there's there's like a you know [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► a car crash at a nuclear reactor [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► that's going to blow up and kill [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► everybody and there's like a old people [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► escaped from the old age home by lying [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► and locking people in that in you know [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► mean nurse ratched types and in rooms [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► and I mean there's a lot of fun [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► cookie stuff in here too it's not all [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► kind of no fun and and just work and I [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► think you can read it you can totally [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► read this book without you know [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► pondering all the different connections [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► and just read it as kind of six [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► interlocking stories that the author has [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► chosen to tell for some reason together [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► we don't know what ponder about you know [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► why the yes-mo music keeps coming up all [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► right you know why the number six keeps [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► going around or what [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► which character is the supposedly the [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► same character throughout the different [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► stories you just read it for the fun as [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► long as you get past the first part [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► didn't you you're good to go hard for me [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► as it as a collection of short stories I [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► liked it a lot [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► I actually I think I pretty much liked [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► every section 22 varying degrees but I [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► didn't really find one that I just [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► absolutely hated but as far as the whole [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► interlocking thread and the you know [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► that the various characters and the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► souls you know drifting through time and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► space like clouds that to me didn't work [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► as well yeah I thought it was a lie i [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► thought it was very clever [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► I mean you can't really read this [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► without coming away with that was [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► extremely clever and it was neat the way [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► it all fit together and i enjoyed you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► know trying to pick out which character [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► was which but when I got to the end and [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► is as I got closer and closer to the end [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► and I was taking off the second half of [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► these stories i kept thinking well at [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► some point the purpose for this [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► character being the same throughout all [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► these times is going to become clear and [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► there's going to be some big revelation [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► ah and when I got to the end it turned [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► out that the only thing i could really [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► gather in the last couple of pages was i [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► just logged through a whole lot of text [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► for what basically amounts to be [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► excellent to each other [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► I mean today at the great revelation is [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► the great revelation is that Adam Ewing [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► decides that he's going to become a nap [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► and abolitionist and of course with [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► themes throughout of you know of [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► eliminating variables and right but you [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► know so what they're saying it to right [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► we're all deeply and we're going to be [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► here again and again and so you [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► shouldn't enslave other people man [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► right but you know it was it was a neat [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► way to link the stories together i'm not [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► sure it really was that much better [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► having been linked other than you know [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► the sort of experience of having seen [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► him do that and kind of that was pretty [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► cool what you did there but I don't [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► think it really improved the stories in [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► any great way because maybe I'm just too [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► dense to to really catch the the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► overarching themes here but you have to [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► me it was it almost don't want it when [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► curry because it wasn't that bad but a [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► little bit of that yeah i think it was [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► it was on the the border you could see [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► wang curry from where it was blackery [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► was visible in the distance [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► exactly it was it was a well done i [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► think if if if David Mitchell were not [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► as good a writer as he was as he is [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► cause he's not dead as far as i know [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► this book would be awful [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► I i think it is i I really really [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► enjoyed it and I like the mostly because [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► I like books and authors who are very [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► conscious of the fact that they're [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► writing a book and I like I wasn't [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► english major so I like slightly [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► pretentious kinds of that uh huh [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► thanks and you know you can you can [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► imagine a lot of papers being written [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► about the cloud atlas and the various [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► linking between all the stories and what [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► the characters are and who they [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► represent and you know what [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► what the theme throughout each story are [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► so kind of spoke to my frustrated [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► English majors yeah I i agree you know [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► the artifice is is visible and I'm not [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► sure all of it I mean I so I love the TV [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► show Lost right and there are things [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► about lost that were brilliant and their [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► things about loss that were painful and [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► that's what i was thinking about i was [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► reading this book is like some of the [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► connections they make because they're in [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► lost you always have these people these [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► crosses where you know [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► turns out they knew somebody who knew [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► that the other character when they [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► before they got to the island right and [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► in this there there's that same thing [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► for these coincidences or are they [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► and some of them i actually really loved [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► and others i just went yeah okay you [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► know you yet you gotta do it that's what [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► this book is so you're gonna make the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► connection but like the the isle of [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► lewis array trying to find the cloud [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► atlas record that was composed by the [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► guy in the previous story that was very [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► lost I i love had them that music was [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► playing in the that's the music plays in [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► the cafe of son--my oh you know I don't [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► think I even noticed that when she also [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► passes by the prophetess as she's [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► heading towards six Smith's boat moored [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► in the harbor [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► yes the adam ewing ship so I mean that [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► all that stuff is cool [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► yeah I mean I so I like that and I like [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► the I like to the the sextet and of [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► course the sex Ted is described as being [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► these six different pieces for six [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► different instruments that are then [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► played in these interlocking things in [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► that they started and then made and he's [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► describing the structure of the book [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► right at rightlook is the Cloud Atlas [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► sextet that it and then and and the [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► characters say I this music sounds [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► familiar to me and that's the whole idea [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► is that the music and the stories are [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► repeating in these different timeframes [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► and you know i like that [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► yeah the bi have a comment shaped [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► birthmark felt started to feel rather [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► obligatory like yeah we're all [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► resurrected later another buddies man [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► that was that one didn't work so well [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► for me I think I'll understand although [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► at least there wasn't one of those like [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► we were together 50 years ago and I love [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► remains intact now in new bodies and [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► know that there's none of that which is [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► good but still so some of it works for [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► me I guess is what I'm saying and some [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► of it I was like yeah ok this is what [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► you're trying to do and it didn't give [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► me that that that kind of chill as when [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► Luisa Rey goes into the record store and [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► and the music is playing right i mean a [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► lot of that stuff actually to me would [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► have been almost unbearable except for [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► the fact that he clearly has good humor [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► about the whole thing [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► and some of the other mentions of the [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► sort of self-conscious references the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► previous chapters but also in that part [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► where where he's where the sextet is [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► being described a nice piece talking [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► about the structure of it is identical [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► to the structure of the book he actually [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► says revolutionary or gimmicky can't [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► know until it's finished and by then [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► it'll be too late [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► yeah it turns out in the end that yeah I [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► was giving you but it because he noted [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► that it's i'm i'm mad i'm inclined to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► give them a little bit of a path is [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► enjoyable to listen to [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► although the gimmick i have to say i am [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► highlighted more passages from this book [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that I've done any book that i've ever [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► read on the kindle I'm that must count [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► for something so well no i mean because [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► i kept the scene was it because you were [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► searching for meaning and you kept [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► thinking you would be able to go back [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► and piece it all together know it was [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► really more that this is one of those [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► books where you can see the author being [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► clever and you want two models down so [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► that you can sail ever let later [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► here are some clever things so so I'm [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► looking at my notes now I was amused by [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► when in the totalitarian future they [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► make reference to two optimists [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► translated from the late english or well [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► and Huxley the implication being that in [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► this core pakka see that is South Korea [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► in the future or well and Huxley are [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► considered great optimist that they they [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► predicted that while the society that we [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► live in would come to pass when most [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► people didn't like sci-fi all of the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► apocalyptic sci-fi authors being a [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► applauded by the people who manage the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► apocalypse [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► thank you you got us right yeah that's [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► as well as lots of cloud imagery the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► cloud imagery maybe roll my eyes a [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► little bit i watch the clouds and [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► athlete before triac oh yeah it's very [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► meaning the books called cloud atlas [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► there's mean issues clouds on every page [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► gradually moving to the center of the [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► book you cannot even get that did you [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► know I'll see in the in the text version [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► maybe this is the extra bonus for for [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► buying the alt text version is in the [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► adam ewing section there are clouds on [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► the far side of each page so you know to [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► the left of the left facing pages and [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► the right of the right pages and then in [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► each section [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► those clouds gradually move towards the [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► center for out that's grace and then [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► after the solutions crossing section [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► they either have crossed and removing [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► the other way or they're going back in [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► the other direction it's hard to say oh [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► so you know there you go wow [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► little more little more pretentious [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► mystery so we talk about commenting on [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► things also I you know as many stories i [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► think that Scott loves this is also a [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► story about storytelling and about how [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► you know what's reality in which story [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► is the real story and though the line [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► that i highlighted that I really liked [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► is when Sonny is snuck into this movie [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► theater because movies or as they call [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► them disney's have basically been [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► outlawed because it's on meez period all [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► of the proper all of our proper noun [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► brand names have replaced the regular [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► nouns and brand names everything is a [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► brand name now by the generic word is [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► that what we consider a brand name and [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► they're no longer capitalized they're [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► not a proper nouns know they're just [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► regular the word for that Disney is a [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► movie is now at disney hilarious thing [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► is that it that includes all movies [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► including apparently tentacle porn yes [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► that's a distance is a sequence which [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► suggests what is it that the the student [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► that Scott charge of some sami 451 is [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► watching believe the term is octopus [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► rapine his skirt yeah yeah she's [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► horrified i think that that's the first [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► disney she oversees right and it's a [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► disney yeah yeah so this is the part [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► that I wouldn't be that that a that I [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► think I mean this is what he's he's [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► getting at this is other than be [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► excellent to each other i think this is [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► this is really what he's getting out [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► which is she's watching this giants road [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► the screen lit by sunlight capture [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► through a lens when your grandfather's [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► grandfather was kicking in his room time [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► is the speed at which the past decays [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► but disney's enable a prefect [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► resurrection those since fallen [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► buildings those long eroded faces your [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► present not we is the true illusion they [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► seem to say so you know that there is [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► this throughout in all these sections [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► there's this idea of what is some [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► characters in our conversations about so [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► what is real is the future real and just [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► waiting to happen or is it not real you [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► know is the past what [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► what's real and the future isn't there's [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► a whole conversation about how there's [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► virtual pass and virtual futures and [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► then I don't blame you one but you can [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► never tell which one it is [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► so there's a lot of that I like that I [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► thought that was really interesting [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► because the beauty of that is that's the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► guy on the plane strap with c4 and just [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► after having right he thought he [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► exploded he figures it all out and then [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► the plane blows up [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► it's sort of like the young girl in the [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► cafe and rickmansworth who comes up with [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► the solution to everybody be nice yes [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► they're just before the Earth's blown up [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► by the Vogon to hear ya [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► and then it also in that section uh with [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► some me it's it's kind of it's very sad [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► because all these clones are are made so [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► that they can be servers and they are in [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► life to register and they worked for 12 [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► years and they work for 12 years and [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► they worship whatever the papasan [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► papasan copy icon and so he's like an [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► evil ronald mcdonald is how i was [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► surfing ronald mcdonald he kept me and [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► making me think of a beard papa the [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► cream puffs free huh [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► I but i assume that is not they'd [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► probably not please I would hope so [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► because after 12 years there they get to [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► go to Hawaii to retire but Hawaii is [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► actually a boat that's been converted [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► into a huge killing floor in there they [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► execute them and and butchery and then [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► turn them into protein matter that goes [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► back into the pop song factory [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► yeah and so they could serve their the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► themselves basically I'm to their [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► customers [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► yeah that's very sad and it's kind of [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► playing with the their perception of [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► reality they think they happily go into [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► this this killing floor because they [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► think oh I'm boarding a plane to go to [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► Hawaii so i can retire because I've [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► heard it through this you know 20 hours [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► a day of grueling work and eating my [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► soap or whatever it is the right because [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► they the the clones have been engineered [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► to not eat human food so they have to [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► eat this soap stuff and if they don't [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► get it they shut down and they die and [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► so it's there it's in everyone of these [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► stories there's oppression and there's [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► somebody who's extracting this method of [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► control over somebody who's weaker and [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► then with the with the clones it's this [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► soap that that without the soap even [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► even sewn me the the fully functional [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► intelligent one she still has to eat so [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► that's all she can eat [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► it's crazy papasan green is fabric and [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► whatever the the thing right in that [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► world is that the only the servers who [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► don't know would be the ones who care [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► because the customers they wouldn't care [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► now they don't they treat the servers [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► like their animals anyway so it wouldn't [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► matter to them if they were eating their [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► protein or not who cares prey and [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► predators is another big subject and I [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► I've got a highlighted true intellectual [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► courage is to dispense with these fig [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► leaves and admit all people are [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► predatory but white predators with our [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► deadly duet of disease Dustin firearms [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► are examples of productivity par [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► excellence and what of it this is the [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► quote the quack doctor who actually is [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► just a pro who preys on the on the on [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► the the the guy on the on the ship and [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► he observes all this racism and all of [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► these other horrible things that [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► happened to the to the the moriori which [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► of the Pacific Islanders that are [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► destroyed by the Mallory Islanders and [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the and then the white men are [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► destroying the civilizations and this [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► guy is preying on on the interviewing [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► yeah Adam Ewing right so he's preying on [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► adam ewing but he has this moment of [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► clarity that really spells out in the [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► last section of this book what is [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► happening in all of these things in the [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► book and he's got it it's the Guns Germs [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► and Steel thing it's like you know [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► everybody's predator predator here and [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► you guys are saying how the white men [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► are bringing civilization to everybody [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► else here but that's not that's not [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► what's happening at all you know this is [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► just people and you're praying too and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► he's got this very clear vision that is [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► right right it's unfortunately this [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► awful person who's done these awful [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► things as he's leaving this guy for dead [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► is saying this that's something that's [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► completely clear and that we've seen [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► happening all the way into the future [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► sort of but that that there's the [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► problem that I had with that whole [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► thread was that little the whole thread [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► through time is that there's not really [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► a lot of consistency and I would have [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► expected when I sat down and thought [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► okay well let's let's see here Adam [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► Ewing at the end or the beginning as it [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► were decides that he's going to be an [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► abolitionist so all of the future [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► characters that are him should also be [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► you know Crusaders against slavery or or [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► predatory practices or whatever [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and yet the next guy is more or less a [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► self-absorbed dirtbag who sponges off of [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► the composer's you know book collection [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► right Bob you know an end has gambling [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► debts and all this other stuff and more [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► or less dies and ignominy and then cool [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► Luisa Rey kinda fits that mold but [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► Cavendish is more or less and nobody [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► right eye is on me is again a bit of a [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► freedom fighter and then Zachary yeah [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► but it's that's not him it's a OS the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► woman Aaron is your interesting is the [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► incarnation in that one [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► yeah and she fits the mold but so you [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► know I I kept looking for different [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► places where there were clear [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► similarities between all six characters [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► and I couldn't find one and since it's a [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► alternating if you if you look at the [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► six stories right the first guy is a [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► crusader the second guy is a jerk [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► the right Louisa raise a crusader Tim [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► Cavendish is basically a jerk and Sony [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► is a crusader and then the last one I [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► guess is a crusader for sure but she's [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the death the middle right right right [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► you'd expect her to go Crusader to jerk [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► the Crusader well she is she is visiting [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► the natives right that's true and trying [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► to save sort of trying to save you know [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► civilization and all that so we're [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► trying to save our own civilization [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► socially yeah she's doing tested in the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► right technology that she thinks is [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► hidden up in that the up at the top of [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► Mauna Kea yeah yeah so so one of the [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► things I like about about that line I [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► gave earlier the of about the all people [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► are predatory is that it's followed up [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► by an observation that is a purely [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► predatory world will consume itself said [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► in 1850 by our first and last character [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► and that that was much more resonant [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► having seen it happen right [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► having us literally walked through all [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► the way to the future and seen the [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► purely predatory world completely [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► consumed itself to the point that [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► civilization is completely destroyed and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► that was something I thought was [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► effective about the story he was trying [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► to tell and the way he told it is that [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► he literally walked us to the end of [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► and then brought us back to something we [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► would consider more reality because it's [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► locked in the past to make that [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► observation of like that you know now [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► how do you think about this story is [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► knowing where everything ends up which [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► is there's no civilization and it's just [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► savagery and it's pretty bleak too [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► because even having destroyed the planet [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► there's still predatory mr. they don't [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► you still gotta come on don't be [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► betraying on the weaker right and you [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► got that interesting parallel between [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► the kona and the valley dwellers I guess [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► they are and the moriori and the Madame [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► Mallory right it's this again you know [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► they've got the people that refuse to [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► defend themselves right and who got [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► there a little culture and they've got [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the little place where they make all the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► drawings down that nobody knows about [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► right there killed off by or in slavery [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► as it were insulated what happens that's [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► what happens to people who are good [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► that's right well i'm depressed now but [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► i did i did as as as you're coming back [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► around from the last story I i really [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► enjoyed those arrows that he keeps [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► pointing backward in the story so in the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► what does it mean uh in a lisaraye [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► section there's a the the corporation [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► that runs the power plant talks about [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► how it's our country's rightful [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► corporate Empire the corporation's the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► future some things since like right uh [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► yeah I guess it is that isn't that it [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► turns out so not so good i really love [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► that I i mean i'd like to talk about the [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► loser a section for a moment just [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► because it's great she's this she's this [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► journalist at this really poor poorly [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► thought of gossipy rag in what's the [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► name of the z-plane us your best way [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► miss your bus which is a it's like [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► Sunnydale in buffy the vampire slayer [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► it's a southern california city that [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► doesn't exist but is near Los Angeles [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► it's sort of like a fake Santa Barbara [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► kinda I guess I don't know but she's [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► about where i put it yeah so she's she's [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► she gets the she onto the trail of this [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► company that's building this giant [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► nuclear power plant along the coast and [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► it turns out that there in with the [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► kind of military industrial complex and [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► they're gonna generate all these nuclear [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► by products that the government once and [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► the it's unsafe and it's gonna because [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► it's the seventies and it's a very Three [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► Mile Island kind of story it's unsafe [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► and it's gonna kill millions of people [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► in southern california if if it gets [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► built and and the the corporation [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► doesn't want anybody to know this and so [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► then people are rubbed out by evil you [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► know security guys who work for the CEO [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► and the chairman of the board and and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► and she's you know her dad was a cop and [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► he died but he saved other cops before [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► he got shot in the eye and mean it felt [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► almost I don't know it feels almost [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► Elmore Leonard additional hey was I i [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► love the I love that whole seventies [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► crime not she's not a detective she's an [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► amateur detective reporter type and i [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► love that I love that whole story and [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► they were nice people you meet who then [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► blow up and are killed horribly by [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► murderous assassins and you know as it [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► has good stuff [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► the life of lucasfilm yeah and assassins [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► really if you're going to be an assassin [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► you should be murderous otherwise you [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► shouldn't screw you're not a very good [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► assassin anyway I really that was my [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► favorite dead i like you don't know what [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► you guys thought or if you have other [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► favorite favorite uh bits but that was [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► the one that I like the best night I [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► thought that was a really fun character [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► I felt the reefs Luisa Rey was a the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► most memorable character in the book for [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► me I like your co-workers to the clearly [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► i can almost picture them with their you [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► know they're brown and orange silk shirt [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► okay and that gigantic afros sideburns [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► out the year is just ahead of the whole [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► thing about nicely seventies vibed and [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► you have the old you know old older guy [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► who makes all sorts of off-color jokes [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► and doesn't believe that this girl can [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► write a story and it turns out in the [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► end that he actually has a lot of [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► respect for her and all you know [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► mhm i was i I just I thought that was [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► great and I like that whole you know [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► that's the the other thing about as you [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► mentioned Jason but the corporation [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► having all this power and you know she's [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► working at this kind of this gossip [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► magazine and she gets this great story [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► and she wants to her editors like well I [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► don't think you should you know right [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► about it because you know cares about [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► nuclear regulations and unless it's [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► going to blow up and they're going to [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► fall out and that'll be good and that's [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► all we'll talk about and he lets her go [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► and you know figure out what's happening [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► because she's plucky i guess and then it [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► turns out that the the they figure out [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► the corporation figures out what's [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► happening and then they buy the magazine [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► so that she can hands publishers to the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► attic fire her and they and they say [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► will buy the magazine and everybody can [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► stay and keep the jobs except it's for [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► losers say that very subtle blown at all [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► not at all a lot of what i like in that [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► section is how everybody is a [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► backstabber more or less [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► I mean it turns out that every single [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► person except maybe one of the the the [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► the protesters the activists it's is [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► stabbing somebody in the back or getting [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► rich on somebody else and the [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► corporation is not a monolithic evil [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► corporation it's a series of evil people [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► who are all equal to one another as well [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► as to the general public right there [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► just happened to be in the same [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► corporate yeah i mean even by the time [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► the corporation is taken down there's [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► not a whole lot of it left to take down [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► to the upper management has been [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► dispatched by other members of the upper [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► management you generally don't have a [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► lot of stand-up guys in the in the big [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► evil corporation evil nuclear power [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► corporation that's gonna poison all of [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► Southern California mostly they're jerks [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► that's why they don't work out because I [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► just can't be evil people can't work [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► together from our evil plan that's [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► exactly right they see you know they [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► probably would have succeeded had it not [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► been for the Predators preying on the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► oh so in some ways I guess that whole [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► prey predator relationship sometimes [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► works out well that's that's excellent [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► you could be an English major to Steve [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► look at that what what goat what story [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► did you like I like the Orson of sonmi [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► 40 yeah 451 where there's an obvious [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► reference [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► yeah i just i i really liked the way it [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► sort of gradually unfolded I mean each [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► of each of the story just because of the [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► way they were set up sort of dropping [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► you into whatever world you were in the [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► first maybe 56 pages you you're just [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► trying to get your bearings and figure [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► out what the hell's going on here where [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► are we and i really like the kind of [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► slow way that unfolded with the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► interview back and forth with the the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► archivist and you know even though a lot [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► of the sort of classic dystopian tropes [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► were in place they're just the fact that [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► you know you got a little bit at a time [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► you know what are the fabrications what [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► is this soap business and it it got [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► increasingly disturbing farther and you [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► went and at just being fed a little bit [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► at a time it really it it almost felt [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► like a really good horror story where [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► you know that things are getting worse [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► and worse as you go and get your you [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► have to see how it all turns out and [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► then you have to say that I mean [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► obviously the guys writing is is pretty [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► superb throughout I mean just that the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► john r exercises that he he takes on in [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► each different section and the way he [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► rises is just generally amusing but [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► particularly in that section it's it's [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► kind of amazing you already mentioned [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► the the sony and forward an icon and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► nike being basically so fundamental that [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► they no longer warrant capitalization [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► yeah a car is afford but there's a lot [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► of other stuff that he you know justjust [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► spelling yeah he says a lot about the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► nature of this the dystopian that they [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► live in [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► I got for whatever reason they've words [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► that start with B X they just thrown [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► away II know and they seem to have [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► tossed GH out as well and my guess is [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► that just because it's inefficient right [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► there's really no need for that useless [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► junk yeah [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► although there are there are a few words [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► here and there that maintain the GH so [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► that that's not completely throughout [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► but i just thought that was kind of [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► interesting and then no similar the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► corporation's losing their their their [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► capitalization they mention aids at one [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► point which has been cured and now it [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► too has lost its ominous capital letters [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► it's just aids all lowercase [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► so I thought that the language in there [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► was particularly interesting as well one [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► of the things that i liked about this [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► that maybe Scott likes to is that seeing [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► somebody who is a literary novelist take [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► these sci-fi tropes take sci-fi stories [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► and embed them in a work like this I [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► feel um legitimizes the genre a little [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► bit it gives gives it it's a it's a [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► talented author saying i can tell a [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► story like this too and he tells a bunch [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► right he's got an apocalypse story and [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► he's got a future story and he's got a [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► past or and he's got a in the seventies [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► detective story but but there's part of [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► a to that i like because it's it's I [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► feel like it's going to expose these [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► concepts to people who might not [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► otherwise be exposed to a story like [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► this and the Sonny story is a really he [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► did a good job yeah I didn't feel like [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► it was a you know you know mainstream [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► models she doesn't really understand [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► sci-fi but decided to try their hand at [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► it to class it up a little bit doesn't [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► feel like that at all to me it feels [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► like he you know he he knows what kind [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► of story you want to tell him that [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► Shauna and he does a good job of it so [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► you know I like that too and he clearly [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► doesn't care that he's recycling Logan's [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► Run and soybean and any number of other [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► no I you know existing stories recycling [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► Soylent Green oh the irony [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► so in green is a movie about people i [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► also like that he does go into any real [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► detail about what happened to the dead [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► zones outside of Korea but that that all [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► apparently needs that needs to be said [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► about our sorry continent is he makes a [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► fleeting reference to boardman meth eyes [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► American boatpeople solution yes [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► you can only imagine what that is it you [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► can't possibly be good but it's just [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► kinda funny where we are now both people [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► hope you die [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► presumably we have the few remaining [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► survivors landed in Korea and presumably [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► dispatched yes [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► yeah it's never never good when your [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► book person [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► yeah I I enjoyed that nitrogen as you're [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► talking about the science-fiction [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► elements of this as i was reading this [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► book i was thinking you know this book [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► is really even though all the stories [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► are not set in the future it is a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► science fiction book because he's using [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► these themes and weaving together these [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► characters in this character just keeps [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► coming back and back and these are as [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► clear science fiction theme yes I and [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► the publisher would never market this [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► book as a science fiction book because [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► it is too literary for that they don't [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► want to that's currently being made into [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► a major motion picture with Tom Hanks so [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► yeah not science fiction but with [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► bicycle shops keys right who are exactly [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► moves on her directories so exactly [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► movies are very different than then [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► books and you know the marketing of the [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► two else is a mainstream movie genre [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► everybody watches sci-fi movies but not [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► everybody reads sci-fi novels right and [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► if you mark this a sci-fi unless you're [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► you know even actually somebody like [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► Michael Chabon i mean he he he he won [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► the Pulitzer Prize right but it has [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► written many John robotics but even then [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► it's like what some people are like [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► what's wrong with you Michael why are [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► you not writing you writing silly things [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► about you know monsters and superheroes [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► and things and well that's what he wants [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► to write about so so they this is one of [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the secrets I don't tell anybody it's [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► sci-fi kind of that was actually a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► really a complimentary quote from shape [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► on the back of this but yes telling [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► isn't it [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► thatthat's I I saw that and I hope that [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► was perfect because it is that it's got [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that kind of feeling he's he's a better [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► writer than David Mitchell but it [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► doesn't that feel it's somebody who's [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► extremely talented as a writer and is [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► going to go ahead and play with sci-fi [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► ideas and doesn't really care if that's [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► going to bother the literary [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► intelligentsia who are they what [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► clones in the future no no we can't have [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► you ever read any other Mitchell besides [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► this I know this is the only mention [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► that i have read III uh it makes me want [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► to read more of his work but I have so [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► many other things and reading if you do [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► get the sense that up and I guess this [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► will be obvious in the in the movie that [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► that there are multiple characters [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► repeating here and the one that made me [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► laugh is that in the the second story i [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► believe there is a there is a doctor who [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► is creepy and we've just seen the creepy [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► guy who's pretending to be a doctor and [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► then very next story there's a dr. Egret [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► who says I've never met a quack who I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► didn't suspect of plotting to do me and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► as expensively as he could contrive was [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► like well yeah actually that it just [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► happens [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► I yeah but is that is that actually a [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► recurring character or dismissal just [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► hate doctors [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► uh-huh uh-huh hmm it's a commentary on [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► the night it's you get that you get the [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► little sense that it that but it but [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► it's it's it's a little bit less obvious [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► when when as opposed to in the movie [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► when it's like why it's Halle Berry [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► again haha yeah yeah I the only instance [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► of that I even noticed was where I think [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► it's a bill smoke is about the dispatch [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► Luisa Rey on the on the six minutes boat [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► and out what does he say he said [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► something along the lines of you you [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► always die this noisy what do you what [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► do you mean always or something along [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► those lines together it is this death [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► always make you so verbose ah and Louisa [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► says what do you mean always like [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► there's some significance to that yeah [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► move so it's yeah so presumably bill [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► smoke exists in the other stories as [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► well and some i mean this this reads to [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► me like a book that i would probably get [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► a lot more out of the fight a second [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► time like there's they're probably some [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► bits in the first half of that first [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► chapter that point to a lot of clues [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► here and there that I completely missed [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► on the first time through although i [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► kinda looks like a time man i kinda like [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► that it's it's less it didn't feel part [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► of it didn't feel obvious right i [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► remember becoming shaped birthmark and [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► all that it's very obvious part of it [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► didn't I didn't feel like oh yes now I [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► know who each of our three or four [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► recurring characters in this time frame [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► i didn't have that sense and i was happy [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► I was grateful for that i like the idea [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► that there's some of these people are [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► recurring and that's fine but it he [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► never spell spelled it out at least that [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► I could tell I was grateful I really was [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► that that that would have made my eyes [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► roll back into my head yeah it was the [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► world connected we go through this life [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► together again and again I I didn't I i [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► just did didn't want this book to be [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► that it wasn't that would've been [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► thoroughly that looks sucked it would [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► have been as like you know the character [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► had to live in every story or something [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► I think it's an Aston conceit though if [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► this is a situation that sort of the [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► soul being reincarnated repeatedly that [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► perhaps souls can take a break from [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► actual terrestrial life and live in a [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► book for a while because presumably [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► that's what has happened when Luisa Rey [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► is written by Hillary hush no other [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► particular reason why this character [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► would suddenly yeah birthmark [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► yeah that's true that weird well and and [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► Timothy Cavendish is alive is old enough [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► that he's alive when when Luisa Rey [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► would have been alive but Louis sorry we [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► didn't wasn't real [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► presumably but was just the character in [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► the book well it's not certain that that [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► he is in fact that character because he [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► does he makes mention of having a [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► birthmark yes there's no one no one has [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► ever made notice of it being a comet [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► somebody called Tim bows turd as Chicago [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► but ya never told him look like a comet [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► yeah but that's one that's one of those [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► really nice suggestions that that maybe [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► you know with what we're seeing is the [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► connection that these characters have is [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► that they're in this book together and [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► not necessarily that they're in some [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► fictional world reincarnating into one [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► another because in Cavendish's world [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► Louis raise a character in a book not a [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► person because if she had been a person [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► he would have been alive at the same [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► time that she was alive [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► that's true he would probably remember [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► this Giants can yes about the nuclear [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► power plant exactly people blown up [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► right so that that adds a whole other [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► layer [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► you think about this book be more [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► confusing if he's interested it's true [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► and that's that's that's the problem for [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► me i mean i really liked the individual [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► stories i like the writing i like the [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► cleverness it would have been so much [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► more if there had been some sort of a [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► thread that I could have picked up and [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► you know it's just it's frustrating that [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► there wasn't [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► maybe a bit more of a hint i would [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► probably go back and reread the book if [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► I had enough of an indication that i was [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► just sort of missing something but I [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► felt like when I got to the end and [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► things didn't really add up and there [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► wasn't really any kind of a hint that [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► maybe I was just missing something that [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► now oh well here we go [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► yeah did a little off coast write this [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► thing huh yeah I don't think that he has [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► an author is really interested in kind [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► of and I think this is good is not [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► interested in kind of holding your hand [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► through and kind of spelling out the [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► whole thing there's a difference between [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► holding your hand and just not really [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► having a point well I think he has a ps2 [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna get it is i don't think that [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► there is a strong kind of a way that you [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► can decode whatever it is like there's [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► no hints to some like there's no pivotal [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► scene where it's like a hot it all comes [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► to gaol it all makes sense right now i [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► want to draw me a map but at the same [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► time he's got to do a little of the work [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► in coming up with the story it's not for [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► me to make up the story based on here [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► it'sit's series of vignettes the tie [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► together only marginally I think he [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► wants you to kind of draw all of these [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► connections because he casually mentions [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► similar things in each of the stories [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► and you know it just as you're reading [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► it I think you're just supposed to [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► notice one or you know two of the things [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► and not all of them i imagine unless you [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► read it more than once and just kind of [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► get that kind of general you know [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► everybody's connected kind of thing [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► without him having to be having have to [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► say like jason said like whoa [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► we're all connected yeah we're all [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► clouds in the cloud atlas [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► yeah that's cool man no having if there [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► is something in rock man at the end when [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► Adam Ewing becomes an abolitionist right [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► i mean that this is his moment to say [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► and he sort of does he said he used to [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► say not slavery is bad but to say you [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► stronger going to press the weekend you [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► need to end and that's bad and you need [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► to do something about it because that's [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► the law of the jungle and this is where [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► this goes is to the complete destruction [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► of society and it's not just about [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► slavery although slavery as part of it [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► but it's about you know what he's saying [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► is it's the this is corporate structure [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► that's out of control in nineteen [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► nineteen seventies and the court bokra [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► see of korea in the 21st century and and [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► you know that's that's sort of one of [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► the things that he's saying here and [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► that's fine I that seems like a fairly [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► straightforward straightforward thing [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► but uh the end I you know in the end i [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► liked it i didn't love it i'm glad i [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► read it because I I i enjoyed the ride [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► of not really knowing what the heck I [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► was gonna get next I'm and my wife my [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► wife said oh how'd you like it my said [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► it was it was it was strange it was a [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► strange book and but you know by I rip [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► through it i read it other than the [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► first chapter then it will speed it up [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► and it was like yeah okay now that now [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► that we're out of Adam Ewing I'm ready [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► to go yeah but the problem with the [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► payoff of you know p be cool to be good [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► to one another [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► don't be 2x yeah exactly is that the [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► world just clouds man we're all clouds [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► in the sky and and even with the clouds [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► evaporate man they come back there yeah [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► well I just didn't think we consider [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► this is a comet [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► yeah so the doctor and the past of this [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► book are already set so even so the the [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► person farthest in the past becomes an [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► abolitionist at the end of the book [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► right but it doesn't change the fact [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► that the future is complete crap anyway [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► and everybody since I just he's just one [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► man or one entity you know he's sickly [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► looking ed I think the point maybe is [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► you know that point we all did that then [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► maybe it would make a difference but if [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► just one dude does then you know we're [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► all screwed [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► I guess that's true [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► so basically screwed it is a message [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► book yeah more or less but i would say [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► that I almost loved the book i came real [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► close i really liked like i said i like [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► this store [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► this store [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► he's loved the writing style and they [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► were occasionally there'd be these [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► little sections where just he would whip [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► out with like two three paragraphs of [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► just really beautiful sentiments that [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► they coming almost out of nowhere and [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► then he would move on to the rest of the [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► story and I thought that was fairly [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► interesting like that whole section [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► where you know the guys on the plane and [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► he comes up with the past in the future [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► and while that is some pretty heavy [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► stuff i SAT there for a while trying to [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► work that out and you know it was it was [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► a fun book to read and i like that a [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► whole lot more before before I got to [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► the end and relax that it wasn't gonna [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► pay off that well but in the end yeah i [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► would say that I a borderline loved it [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► and wish I could say that I i loved it [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► without any reservation but I sadly [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► cannot the journey is its own reward [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► this reservation i'm glad i read it I'm [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► glad I me too and i would i would [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► recommend it to an adventurous reader [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► who somebody who appreciates the you [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► know you'll make the connections and [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► this different stories are interlocked [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► but they're very different genres and [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► somebody who really loves that stuff and [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► I'm not going to recommend my mom read [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► it you know [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► my mom's not that adventurous she's a [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► reader but she's not that is interest [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► but if somebody who loves seeing these [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► kind of books that are about books and [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► that are interconnected and and [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► self-referential and all that that that [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► they would enjoy this book my mom would [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► like to read the with probably enjoy [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► reading Luisa Rey mysteries novels right [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► yeah I wasn't where I want to be honest [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► with you [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► so what I actually but they were pulpy [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► but great fun it was great loved it [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► yep so if you do read the book and you [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► you figure out what the point is [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► please drop us a line I think you [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► already got to be excellent to each [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► other occupied what I can't be it you [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► don't really know again I think it is [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► though I i'm not sure what the point of [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► the book was except that i enjoyed [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► reading it and I thought it was a [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► fantastically constructed and [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► well-written yeah kind of get of jenny [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► and many papers will be written by [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► English students about this it's just I [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► hate that it comes so close to being [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► sublime and even in those last I've got [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► to the second page from the last night [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► was like it's coming it's here and the [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► last few pages i swear i got down to one [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► page was like oh god it's not go because [TS]