The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast episode 113 [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► when Jason's now Dan Lauren serenity [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► Caldwell Lex Leland recorded lime a [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► disabled in Congress in montreal canada [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► October granted well [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► flex this is music from Indiana Jane see [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► reason of movies starring Harrison Ford [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► right you may know him [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► have you seen Star Wars some of them yes [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► okay he got one of the guys if you [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► placed our jar binks I picked that i am [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► familiar with Harrison I i have not seen [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► Indiana Jones however and yet you're on [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► this panel and that you wanted to mock [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► me this is the incomparable podcast live [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► from the singleton symposium in montreal [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► canada we have fled the united states of [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► america because they have caught up to [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► our crimes after a hundred and twelve or [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► so episodes and our topic today is is [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► the Indiana Jones series we did a [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► podcast with John grouper back in [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► episode 9 i want to say something like [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► that donator nanya about raiders of the [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► lost ark where Dannan and john and i [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► just talked about how great it was but [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► we thought we would come back and try to [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► do something less obscure for something [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► where we actually have people watching [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► us talk and so we're going to talk about [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► everybody's favorite archaeologists / [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► teacher indiana jones i actually just [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► got Louis Leakey is my favorite [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► archaeologists slideshow floor almost [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► too bad for you know it's everything's [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► everybody's favorite archaeologists and [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► what is wrong with you actually just got [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► a link on twitter right before we [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► started to a mcsweeney's article about [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► how success has been denied tenure [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► because he's really in class and having [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► his methods are questionable ethically [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► if you recall he climbs out of a window [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► to avoid doing office hours so not [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► generally the kind of Professor looking [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► for hands-on time but since they made [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► the institution co-educational the women [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► students apparently love him [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► that's what I'm told and the men that [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► men want to be him [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► that's right mainly from Apple's anyway [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► joining me i should say for those who [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► haven't detected already who these [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► people are our Dan Morgan who has seen [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► all the movies that [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► hello certainly caldwell who has seen [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► all the movies right [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► even the one we're not talking about [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► what we'll talk about it maybe have to [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► well at the end and Lex Friedman who [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► hasn't seen them [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► I don't know why I'm here max hasn't [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► seen that's that's Lex has seen many [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► movies it's it's not true that he's not [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► seen any movies he just hasn't seen any [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► movies that anybody else has seen right [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► i basically there was a large gap in the [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► eighties and early nineties when if the [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► movie was fantastical my parents weren't [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► interested in they were the arbiters of [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► what we got to watch at home so I didn't [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► see it [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► so relax and I haven't made up for that [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► lost time [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► what do you know about Indiana Jones I [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► want to start before we start talking [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► about these movies i would like to quiz [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► you just let you see that youtube video [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► about the three-year-old explaining Star [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► Wars yeah this is basically the same [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► yes only 31 yeah its other that is [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► getting this is what I know I know it [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► stars Harrison Ford I believe Shawn [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► consciousness will do that yes Sean [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► Connery's island over in the fourth one [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► that people don't like that had the [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► nuclear bomb that he hides from a [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► refrigerator right doing great so far [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► yes it's like you've seen them in the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► first 1i think the first one I don't [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► know which title goes with which movie [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► but in the first one there's the big [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► boulder that he runs away from yes and [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► everything I know about the first movie [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► i know from UHF and there's a thing [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► where he's got a bag of sand that he's [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► gotta replace the weight and he's got a [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► time right after that the see you've [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► seen the weird al yankovic parody of ya [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► see but not the actual movie and I know [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► there's one of the odm that I know that [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► at the end the the Nazis spoiler alert [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► get fried when the Ark of the Covenant [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► opens I know that happens that is [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► approximately he is basically seen it [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► for them [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► he's seen the first five minutes in the [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► last five minutes there's nothing in the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► middle right I know about the scene we [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► talked about where there's the Harrisons [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► got the gun and there's something else [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► with a sword and he just shoots the guy [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► with the sword instead of sword fighting [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► that's 30 seconds in the middle [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► something so I've essentially as the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► audience our bases are covered [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► really shit so I grabbed two thumbs up [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► so when you weren't on our Raiders of [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► the Lost podcast but this is where that [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► this is where the whole series starts [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► and that's one of my favorite movies of [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► all time we should probably talk about [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► at least briefly although i just bought [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► that the blu-ray set of this which comes [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► with all four movies by the way you [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► cannot buy all four movies [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► meaning you get the kingdom of the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► crystal skull which is this i believe [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► was animated with claymation monkeys [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► something i don't know that's why I [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► maintain that movie would have been way [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► better if you know how everybody in the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► Jones family is afraid of something like [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► Indiana Jones afraid of snakes didn't [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► know that i know and his dad's afraid of [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► rats i thought it would be much better [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► if his son had been afraid of monkeys [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► and so you can get the line you know [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► monkeys by dividing monkeys that would [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► have made my didn't happen so on the on [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► the blu-ray which looks beautiful and i [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► know you just saw the imax release which [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► preceded the blu-ray coming out but it [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► is it has this terrible revisionism in [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► it which it is now labeled as indiana [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► jones and the raiders of the lost ark [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► which is not the name but they decided [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► to insert that because it's it's like [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► that's as close to steven spielberg [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► comes to George Lucas level at least [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► even replace all the guns with [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► walkie-talkies liquidity that was awful [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► it was something that will not he has [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► since apologized and reverse it would [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► not make any sense of the guy with the [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► sword with the sword i want my [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► walkie-talkie and he falls down that [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► doesn't make any 7th Indiana Jones [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► single were you doing so so you have [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► things you'd like to say rant about [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► writers block start about righteousness [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► are so great well my mother is a huge [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► Indiana Jones fan and raised me to be a [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► huge Indiana Jones fan [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► although elects raised me to be a huge [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► fan of the first and the third movie i [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► don't think i've seen temple of doom [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► since I was seven and I think I've only [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► seen it once or twice but Last Crusade [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► was pretty much on repeat in our house [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► where my mother would just go around not [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► necessarily always on the telly [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► vision but she would be quoting it [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► constantly so like no ticket was [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► sometimes a very popular line like when [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► she was giving my friends rides in our [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► minivan where she throw one of them out [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► of the purse and everything noticing it [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► but now is I'm indiana jones in general [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► is just a sort of cultural mainstay for [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► my mom in in the house and raiders i [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► hadn't i hadn't actually seen Raiders in [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► a couple years until the 35 millimeter [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► restoration which is very very poor of [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► me I know but I i came back to it [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► I out of sheer luck because i think you [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► told me about a 35-millimeter screening [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► happening in mill valley last year that [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► happen to have all of well all of the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► heads of the effects Department [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► thereafter they showing to answer [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► questions and one of them poles this [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► little time like that at the end of the [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► film you know the Nazis get incinerated [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► but before they get incinerated they're [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► like oh you know what we are going to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► film the opening of the Ark of the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► Covenant for posterity we're gonna you [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► know we're going to see and take this [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► film and send it back to the Third Reich [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and so they can see our glory and our [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► you know our magic I accept you know [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► that doesn't go so well for them in the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► film camera melts and you know but I to [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► do that they use maquettes spoiler I and [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► one of the guys are ability to react [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► small model little yeah but sometimes I [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► made out of clay sometimes made out of [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► several various plastics but I the one [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► of the props guys who is there [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► he's like oh yeah i have that i have the [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► film or the the little camera in my [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► pocket you want to come see you just [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► don't sit out the terrible why but [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► everybody's do not do not follow that I [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► have my cats for raiders of the lost ark [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► money and my pain my car [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► actually I know he pulls out this tiny [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► little camera and it's only you know I [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► I'm gesturing for our real audience but [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► our radio audience it's only about you [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► know and an inch or two tall this little [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► tiny things like here you want to hold [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► it and I'm like yeah [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► this but so that mean that was really [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► cool and the way to a woman's heart is [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► through models [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► yes little tiny monster monster movies [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► amazing movies that I love dearly [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► how old were you when you saw it for the [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► first time because it's a little weird i [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► just showed my kids rid of the lost ark [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► and and it's a little bit scary [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► I mean that plus people like melt at the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► end which is a little harsh [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► you know the strange i think i saw last [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► crusade before I saw a raiders because i [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► think my mother deemed that more you [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► know more more child-friendly yeah well [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► I mean there are there are some you know [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► scary things in i mean there's a guy [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► melting away into nothingness and bones [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► and betta other than I but that also [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► happens in rare so what was the movie [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► your kids introduction to Nazis Jason [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► that's a good question i was gonna say [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► that is actually the one more than ok [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► cool part so the reality is my kids knew [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► the entire plot of all three movies [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► before they ever saw the movies because [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► of lego indiana jones which they played [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► all the way through and this is actually [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► troops the Star Wars movies 2 which is a [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► really bizarre way to be introduced to a [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► movie series is to know the plot but [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► retold through kind of wacky lego high [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► jinks because they don't and they don't [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► say anything there's no dialogue no no [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► they cry and they laugh and and and [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► there are like movie references that the [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► kids kind of don't get it all so i'm [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► very curious uh how do they handle the [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► face melting seen Raiders in lego [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► indiana jones no i don't know i think i [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► think there's just a big explosion in [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► May and their blocks that all they were [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► blown two blocks right [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► nothing looks just like the Nazis [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► deserved yeah I think that's what they [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► know about that and I have an issue in [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► Raiders of the Lost Ark be the Nazis are [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► there they're scary they're they're not [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► i mean there are competent to a certain [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► extent and then beyond that I mean the [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► truck eat there are better ways to move [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► of a piece of valuable historical [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► content through the desert rather than [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► having sort of what a guy in a truck [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► with a couple of guys in the back and [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► then a car and then the guys in car [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► watches the truck is slowly assaulted [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► and a plane Jackson that well then they [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► blew it up but apparently Nazis can't [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► drive like the the level of competence [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► in that driving squad and envy you know [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► general competence shot squad is very [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► low feel like oh yeah we're just we're [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► just gonna watch this guy you know this [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► guy with the hat come and take over [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► literally just watch as Indiana Jones [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► could gradually takes control of the [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► truck they don't want to crash into the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► truck they don't try to slow down they [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► they just sort of like no no there's an [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► action scene going on just it's cool [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► let's watch what i want to tell me a pro [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► and I there's probably there's one thing [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► in that action chase scene where I think [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► all the Nazis were either in the back of [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► the truck or the Nazis in like the truck [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► next door that eventually come over they [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► all have this like oh there's something [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► exciting happen we get to go [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► participated and they start climbing [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► over one by one is that is that behind [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► the truck is that the transmittance the [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► guys the guys in the truck climb over [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the obvious you're going back this [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► really excited look like oh we're going [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► to get to do something rather than stand [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► around and watch people dig room and [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► they all died [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► yeah they'll die I don't know the [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► downfall of the Third Reich was their [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► inability to obey traffic laws but the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► Nazis and the Raiders are scary and in [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► somewhat competent and and Minnesota [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► medicine menacing and you got towed who [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► is the guy who goes to visit he follows [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► indie on the on the plane and then he [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► goes to Marion's bar and it almost [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► brings her face with a red-hot poker and [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► ends up with the the impression of the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► staff on burned into his hand mean he's [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► a scary guy so scary in fact that when [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► he takes off his coat and is a making a [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► little metal little a little hanger it [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► you think that he's got a torture device [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► but it turns out he's just gonna hang [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► his coat up but he's really scary and [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► the Nazis in general scary with the [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► problem i have with last crusade is that [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► the Nazis in that movie or more like [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► like the like Boss Hogg from the Dukes [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► of Hazzard here a little there a little [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► bit wackier and incompetent which I [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► don't think doesn't but all those movie [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► set [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► like in the late thirties early forties [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► is it happening during World War Two [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► idea is once again so we have you know [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► you have Raiders and then [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► Temple of Doom is actually a prequel I [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► don't say you're too early and 236 yeah [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► and then last year's which takes place [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► of those three movies are our buddy or [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► fighting World War two and then that [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► fourth movie is is set like in the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► actual sort of time just distance within [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► the fifties so when you're the second [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► one he said is a prequel then so there's [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► no you never fear for his life if you [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► know that he will rest don't know I was [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► gonna say that if their first movie that [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► you saw his last crusade you know you [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► know he's probably okay because I'm [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► gonna get that kind of movie anyways [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► doesn't matter it's a rock right it was [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► really fun movie you know James Bond's [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► never gonna die they're not gonna kill [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► him off or will then I mean the only [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► leaves too many so just bring in another [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► yeah we didn't know the Nazis are [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► considerably more bumbling in Last [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► Crusade I don't think that's necessarily [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► a problem totally it's a very different [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► movie it's a lot it's a lot more comedic [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► I mean not say the Raiders isn't funny [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► and witty and there are clever lines of [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► dialogue is clever and set pieces but [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the last crusade is clearly much more of [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► a character-driven p-side saying in some [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► ways and it's really about the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► relationship between Andy and his dad [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► and it's edit is lighter and I think one [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► of the reasons it's lighter and [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► strainers has some darkness in it and [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► some funny things and but it's and i [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► love that movie so much the second movie [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► which we should talk about at least a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► little bit and I don't particularly like [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► about them the first five or ten minutes [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► is really dark and I feel like the third [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► movie is lighter and more Robbie [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► partially I think as backlash it because [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► it was that movie was criticized and not [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► really liked by a lot of people because [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► it was so dark I mean people like [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► ripping people's hardly because i [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► believe it was the first movie ever to [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► have a pg-13 rating was the first one to [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► have it was the were the one that [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► necessitated they needed to have another [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► rating because people were taking their [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► kids to see this movie and it was really [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► dark and scary it's the opening sequence [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► in as families do miss grade right with [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► which is what kate capshaw singing [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► anything goes in in Chinese except [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► during yeah yeah yeahs which is great [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► but it felt like I mean what i liked [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► about it was that and Shanghai right it [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► feels it feels a little bit like a James [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► Bond movie there's this scene where [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► indeed [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► he's wearing a tux and he's basically [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► there to like make a trade off for this [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► this gem accident down at the tables [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► that have moved it over the lazy susan [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► and then it's sort of like there's this [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► constant shift of power back and forth [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► where he and this gangster sort of [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► trying to outdo each other than the guy [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► turns out the guys poisoned him and has [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► the antidote so we need to get the [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► antidote and of course all hell breaks [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► loose and they're running around and [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► it's a little more slap sticky at that [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► point but there is it reminds me of a [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► james bond set because there's a giant [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► diamond and there's the vial containing [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► the antidote and there's a a riot on [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► this dance floor and both of those [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► objects are being kicked throughout as [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► as kate capshaw is seeking the diamond [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► than India seeking his his a vial of [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► antidote [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► I would just point out that whatever de [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► Morgan's on the dance floor there's a [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► ride on the dance floor [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► it's true he's a very good dancer [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► little-known fact about the morning [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► thanks Lex any other thoughts you have [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► about the what do you do you know [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► anything about the second moving but I [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► you just mentioned that somebody rip [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► somebody's heart out of your chest yeah [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► that's about all that's pretty scary [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► yes it is the first is the person live [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► to see the heart rate down [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► I don't think so no well yeah it's not i [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► don't i really don't like the temple of [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► doom I think it's a real angel i skip it [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► because Dave risk is yes the whole city [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► should use good watching the first 10 [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► minutes watch until they bail out of the [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► plane there's a great isn't mine mine [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► sequence there's a great laugh line when [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► they get to the airport and you think [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► everything is resolved and he slams the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► door shut on the airplane and and nice [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► trial oj and he closes the door and it [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► says /a air freight like okay [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► unaenda cameo a brief cameo rip dan [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► Aykroyd yeah strange why is he and yeah [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► because doing a British accent there's [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► the whole mind chase thing that the end [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► set-pieces really well done [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► there's you know a couple nice action [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► sequences at the end there's a lot of [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► gross out stuff right there's that other [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► is there's a whole banquet of like [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► delicacies which are all these really [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► like monkey brain res yeah and the two [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► things I remember it's really a bit [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► differently in my head again totally [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► it's very weird and then there's a scene [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► with a bunch of bugs around whether and [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► then they're gonna get crushed by these [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► giant rocks and I don't know I kind of [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► like short round [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► I am you sure [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► down to is a kind of a cool side [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► characters you see you ever seen the [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► goonies know is i just used and what is [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► the reason we brought you here but I [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► mean there isn't there a couple nights [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► set pieces in Temple of Doom i think but [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► overall it lacks the residence in many [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► ways and I think part of that for me as [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► a kid was knowing about these movies in [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► knowing walnut in the first movie goes [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► after the ark of the covenant which is a [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► fairly prominent you know archaeological [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► artifact in the third movie goes after [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► the Holy Grail which is obviously you're [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► pretty prominent and the second one is [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► about these rocks [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► that's why and like a death cult right [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► that's right and its kind of Holly's [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► death cold it's kind of not it doesn't [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► resonate as well I think in some ways [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► because it's not as much of a pop [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► culture thing [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► yeah well and even India has his off [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► days but that doesn't necessarily mean [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► we have to watch him [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► the thing that drives me the most crazy [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► about Temple of Doom is that Kate [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► Capshaw is such ilike kate capshaw [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► outside of this movie inside of this [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► movie she's the most screeching in [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► comprehensible completely impossible to [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► deal with character who just seems to [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► get in a lot of trouble and doesn't [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► really do anything I mean you know [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► Marion in the first movie gets in a lot [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► of trouble but she at least smart talks [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► are way out of some things and she's [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► she's got some point she's got spunk [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► she's confident she survived in the [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► you-know-what where she didn't Islander [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► not in thailand in Russia where she was [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► appalled appalled in the beginning of [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► the movie like she survives therefore [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► God knows how many years after her [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► father dies before I'm winters you can [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► happen is you know she's a confident [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► character even the not the Nazi woman [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► whose name I Elsa race Elsa she's more [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► competent like she she is not my [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► favorite of the Indiana Jones heroin [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► earth the ladies ladies yeah leading [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► ladies not but you know Kate Capshaw I [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► feel like has no reason for being there [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► other than she can sing anything goes in [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► Mandarin and she ended up marrying [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► steven spielberg so that was really [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► great for Steven Spielberg well right in [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► Raiders and he's got his [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► collects a group as he goes and it's [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► ending these competent people he's got [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► sala in Egypt and then marian says I'm [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► your goddamn partner right so she's [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► gonna come along for the ride and the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► second movie it's almost like to get [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► saddled with sidekicks and calling out [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► of play and made sure around this is [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► kind of fun although there is also that [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► moment of like why are you why are you [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► taking a little kid and having him like [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► drive a getaway car through the streets [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► of Shanghai while you're being shot at [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► anything goes Jayson it's and then so in [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► again in the third movie in Last Crusade [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► it's like back-to-basics it's let's [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► let's go back to the Nazis and [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► historical artifact solid is back Marcus [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► Brody they dragged him along you tried [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► for mocking Charlotte turns is brought [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► is brought out from the University and [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► we see more of him and it turns out a [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► lot of people to survive anything [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► you know it's tough because a lot of [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► people think he's got this he's got the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► sort of mentor role in the first one [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► right he's and so of course in the in [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► the last one he ends up being somewhat [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► more bumbling but i still love him and [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► then home elliott as an actor they're [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► doing these things it has such great [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► moments would be you know Andy trying to [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► convince the Nazis like he'll blend and [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► he knows every local culture he speaks [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► dozen languages got friends everywhere [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► you'll never find him [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► Maxine it is insane here speak English [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► or perhaps ancient Greek no one's gonna [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► do he's been in the ivory tower too long [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► I thought you said even blood did you [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► know Marcus he got lost in the museum [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► once lost his own Museum yeah but it was [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► so great to see those characters back [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► again I both both solid Marcus in a [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► movie and then we of course we get sean [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► connery Henry Jones as as as in tennis [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► is really what makes the the third movie [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► for me is that and what 10 years apart [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► in age to it yet we're traveling 12 [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► years apart in age so it's sean connery [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► really only tenuously able to be [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► Harrison Ford father so I love the fact [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► that you said you gotta cast you know [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► Indiana Jones father who is the only [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► person who's badass enough to be Indiana [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► Jones father james bond and yet he plays [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► totally against high prairie and he does [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► a fantastic job of this you know [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► professor you know professor of [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► archaeology like his son but they're [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► also they don't talk they're estranged [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► they have this very difficult [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► relationship you get the hinted support [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► that you know his mother was sick and [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► didn't tell [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► his father and so she died and left him [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► to raise india by himself right and they [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► they're very strained and they have even [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► though they work in the same field [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► there's a certain element of you know [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► the competitiveness and it to me [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► it resonates as a father-son [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► relationship they do a great job of [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► capturing that there's a brilliant [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► moment where the riding on this [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► motorcycle in the sidecar and their plan [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► through Nazis and you know it yeah [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► Indiana Jones grabs he grabs the flanks [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► of Hazzard Nazis but yes he grabs a [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► flagpole and there's this guy come up [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► and more cycling is on swing his gun and [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► he takes flight plan sticks in the guys [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► wheel and flips the the motorcycle be [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► kind of greens to himself he looks down [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► his dad and that just gives him his [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► disapproving look checks and watch and [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► it's like anyone who's ever you know [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► tried to do anything you know any songs [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► every right to bottom for their father [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► or something like that kind of [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► experience that moment or something like [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► that when you're with your day [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► never never never he's never run away [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► from Nazis with your dad you get in the [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► sidecar of your motorcycle on your way [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► to Berlin to get the fewer to sign an [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► autograph its last a lot of stuff [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► my favorite moment there is actually [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► when Indy first runs into his father and [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► by runs into I mean he smashes through a [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► window where his father is being held [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► captive in a formerly is it was like ask [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► it's supposed to be a castle or Austrian [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► border yes so he crashes through the [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► window and henry john senior hit him [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► over the head with a fake replica vat of [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► Oz and he falls always like I was like [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► junior any ghost is like yes sir [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► it's like he's just gonna hit over there [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► I thought you were one of them [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► dad they come into the door code and [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► you've seen this movie a lot of this is [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► one of your favorite movies is that is [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► one of my favorite movies i did like [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► like when I saw it first [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► um in it was something I saw in my [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► aunt's house when I was kid you're so [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► young i know i saw this i saw to the [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► movie theater in college you're killing [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► me here [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► well at least I saw already by the time [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► it come out was not married he had no no [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► I was doing some favors but I and I went [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► back from there to fill in i mean i [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► remember my experience watching it then [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► and I really liked it and then I went [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► over to my friend Evan's house when I [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► was in high school and a bunch of us [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► were there for a sleepover for his [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► birthday when we were like 15 16 or [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► your hands like always watch all three [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► Indiana Jones movies we watch the [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► raiders of the lost ark start to watch [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► temple of doom we got through the first [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► 10 minutes ago the rest of this movie [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► sucks turns about that we went to last [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► year's day and watch the rest of that [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► but yeah I don't know that maybe it's [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► just cuz the comedic aspect you know I [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► think really I i really enjoy that and I [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► really enjoyed the dynamic between her [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► support and sean connery there's a mean [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► there's a lot of reasons to like the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► Last Crusade I wanted to before we talk [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► about that a little bit more i wanted to [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► talk about something that I think makes [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► Indiana Jones a great action hero which [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► is the fact that he is affected and [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► troubled and and isn't he's rumpled he's [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► he's you know he he gets hurt [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► he has phobias he he gets kind of [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► tormented and you can tell that it that [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► these things bother him and that [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► includes his father treating him kind of [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► badly and you can tell that it upsets [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► him in the in the first movie he gets [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► beat up and and you know he's not [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► impervious when he gets beat up he feels [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► it and in it hurts all over except like [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► here right here honey it's the mileage [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah and that's one of the things I [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► love about that character is that he [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► doesn't he doesn't show us that he's [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► this impervious superhero he's in fact [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► really human and can really get hurt and [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► get angry and and also just be annoyed [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► right which i think in the second movie [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► that's I mean that's the reason Kate [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► Capshaw's there is really just to bug [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► him and she does a great books everybody [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► was happy to remind me a lot of John [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► McClane to from die hard right Sam [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► certainly feels like they're very [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► vulnerable right and to me we actually [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► we had a discussion about this when we [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► watch Last Crusade about the end scene [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► where they you know try to force indeed [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► to basically we gotta find you know the [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► you gotta go get the Grail right and to [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► save your damsel and you know the guy's [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► got a gun on musically you can't shoot [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► me is like you know what you're right [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► and shoots his dad which i think is just [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► one of the brilliant moments of your [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► right there is no threat to that from [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► either from him he knows he's not it's [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► not an issue that because they need they [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► need him to get it and from us as the [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► audience we know it's Indiana Jones he's [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► not gonna he's not a threat but like [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► Superman for example which is another [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► great example he is impervious right so [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► there's never any threat to Superman [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► let's do the whole kryptonite thing but [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► the way to get Superman [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► to get to the people that he loves that [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► is that is the way to make that have [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► steaks is by putting those people in [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► jeopardy applies if you personally this [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► is real kryptonite [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► let's say you heard of Superman i have [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► heard Superman i have not seen die hard [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► oh wow put on the list put on the list [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► lacquer sing list but one of the nice [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► things about and I know another movie [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► that you loved and especially as [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► Lawrence of Arabia yes I and we share [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► that I i love that movie too especially [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► the 1st half 2nd half a little dark but [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► still got a classic right one of the [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► nice things about the scope of the last [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► crusade is that they are out in the [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► desert and they're there are you know it [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► feels big [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► yes it is an epic and going out having [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► them out in the desert miss that hold [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► like the tank battle and they're dead [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► they're going through the sand and the [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► writing on the horses at the end and [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► there's everything that's in the caves [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► it's just I i love that whole part [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► because it's such a tank battle goes on [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► maybe a little too long but it's such a [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► it's a such a balance 0 [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► yeah it really is that it feels wide [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► open and epic in a in a classic movie [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► kind of way [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► arg it's got claws 14 units are not [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► random vistas hello i believe has often [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► been speaking or a lot of that scene the [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► tank sequence was in Spain Spain it's [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► got some terrain that they can double [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► for ya [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► although the tank battle does give us [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► that lovely moment at the end but the [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► tape goes over the cliff and sean [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► connery thinks that Indies also fallen [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► over the cliff with it and of course in [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► the edge he pulls himself up by the vine [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► and all three of them you know Marcus [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► insallah and Henry are all like looking [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► over the edge and he comes up behind [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► them just goes you know look at the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► hands shaking his hand close well as [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► close it was down there what are you [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► looking at [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► yeah so I know I agree there's a [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► suitably epic scope to it that you don't [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► get in temple of doom which is a much [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► more claustrophobic movie [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► yeah anyways and there is a plans and [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► there are Zeppelin's yes but the one of [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► my favorite things in any piece of [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► fiction frankly is are there Zeppelin's [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► you have to ask question and the answer [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► is yes there's a good chance i'm gonna [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► like it at the Zeppelin in in Last [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► Crusade he where they go on without a [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► ticket it's a german [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► well they go up they go on I have [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► tickets they're they're being hunted [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► right and so the idea not see them come [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► to Berlin comes to trade like check on [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► everybody and of course Harrison Ford [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► season doing this and basically dresses [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► up as you know the the attended and as [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► the Nazis questioning his father tapped [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► him on the shoulder and gets that brief [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► moment of recognition and indeed just [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► throw them out the Zeppelin yeah looks [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► around he goes no tako ticket is not [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► only got a ticket but another great [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► moment there I mean you know you end up [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► with a conversation between the the [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► henry and India about you know well we [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► never really talked when I was a kid me [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► that's what we're here now what do you [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► want to talk about he's like I can't [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► think of anything it's hard it's hard to [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► is hard to have I do find it very very [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► illuminating the as a relationship [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► because it again to that point of him [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► being not a Superman you know he has a [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► dad right and there's a certain amount [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► of vulnerability to having your father [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► you know trying to impress on your [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► father that you know I'm a grown-up I [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► have accomplished things in my life I [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► don't do things the way that you do but [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► that doesn't mean I'm not successful and [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► especially when you know for people who [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► end up in similar career paths to their [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► fathers you know you get a lot of [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► friction i think a lot of times a lot of [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► butting heads and records he didn't do [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► it the way his dad did oldest [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► archaeology different meals good Sean [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► Connery should talk a little bit about [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► the opening to that movie too since we [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► get sort of a nice little flashback to [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► what is it is supposed to be 12 [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► oh its young Indiana Jones 13 hours with [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► river with River Phoenix as young and [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► jones and we and we learn the origin of [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► Indy's fear of snakes and of that the [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► scar that Harrison Ford has on his chin [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► that he always has on his chin but in [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► this it's explained that he gets it in [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► this adventure that he has out again out [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► in the wide-open spaces of like it's [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► like 1918 and he's 12 and 12 minutes on [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► my scalp a railroad duh [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► this is a railroad main yes so he's on [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► my waist to have a boy scout adventure [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► on that day on horses or mules or [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► they're tracking After let's explore [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► some caves but don't get too lost and of [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► course the cave that indie simples upon [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► happens [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► to be excavated right there are [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► necessary figure out and there and there [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► archaeologists who yeah it's a fake [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► because you think it's gonna be in [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► general because you see a guy in a hat [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► and there's anything else who has not [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► been identified yet yeah but it turns [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► out that he is he is a the the bad kind [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► of archaeologists right well easy [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► I mean I always wondered about that was [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► he just Indiana Jones I think he's a [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► slightly more mercantile your mercenary [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► sorry mercenary Indiana Jones you know [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► he's kind of more than the grave robber [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► side he's kind of the all the other [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► polarizing figure because you've got his [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► dad who is the very by-the-book [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► archaeologists and you've got this other [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► influencing figure who says you know [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► leaves him with those you know you lost [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► today but you don't have to like it and [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► give them the hat and everything you [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► know that the end in Raiders Belloc is [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► his his competitor and he has that great [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► line about where you know we're not that [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► different you and i genuinely sad line [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► that has been reused everything every [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► terrible right it would take only what [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► is it one small not just two nights to [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► make you like me haha but but that's [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► that that's the point is that if you [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► look at at what he does he does bring [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► mean in Raiders when he got comes back [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► he says I got a lot of good pieces and [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► the museum will buy them and there is [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► that question like is he [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► I mean he's kind of a grave robber I [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► there's a question about the overall [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► ethics of what of what he does and in [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► Last Crusade you that's this guy you [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► know he you know he is he good is he bad [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► he's a lot like indie and that's I think [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► that's one of the questions [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► well and it's also one of the [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► overarching themes of Indiana Jones is a [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► character where you know he he's an [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► archaeologist first and foremost and he [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► is fascinated by certain pieces and [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► certain things and those drive him [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► forward and it doesn't necessarily no [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► laws and rules don't necessarily need to [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► matter it's just about getting something [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► done and finding a way to do that and [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► getting battered up and bruised in the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► process and you see that a little bit in [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► the prologue Ruiz you know he's taking [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► that piece away from them even though [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► they rightfully found it because he's [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► like no this is a very important [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► historical piece this should be in a [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► museum red heels righteous about it he [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► carries it on for like 20 more years [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► because I mean we we passed through time [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► from thirteen-year-old indiana jones two [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► you know your late twenties early [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► thirties [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► en Jones and he's on a boat and he's [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► like yes I finally found this piece it's [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► only taken me 20 years but hey you know [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► a man with his obsessions [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► yeah just like his father really i mean [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► because that's the whole sort of point [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► there's his dad was really obsessed with [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► Grail lore and to the detriment of [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► raising his son and so it turns out they [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► have a lot of common but you have gone [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► about it different ways to movies about [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► obsessions you know I Indies mother dies [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► because she doesn't tell him something [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► Andy's father spends the rest of his [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► life trying to figure out something for [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► eternal life because you know if you [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► can't help but think that those are [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► those two things are connected [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► electrically have you seen monty python [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► and the holy grail I have yes [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► oh ok this is just like that it wasn't [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► that's what I mean it doesn't have a [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► knight of the round table so maybe [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► that's the roundtable those know it's [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► the it's gonna say Crusades Crusades [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► nights [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► yeah it's um thats the end of that movie [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► is a with the steps that he has to take [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► and any already goes over the the bridge [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and and it's that leap of faith that [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► he's got and then with the really [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► classic moment where Julian Glover who [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► we haven't mentioned from from empire [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► strikes back from the Empire Strikes [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► Back and he was he was in one of my [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► favorite old doctor who episodes to the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► city of death by Douglas Adams see it [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► all is well connected is all connected [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► um Julian Glover is gets his shot at the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► Holy Grail from the wall of cups which [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► is such a great but sadly he lets the [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► femme fatale choose and deliberately [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► killed him [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► yeah he hecho is poorly right which is [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that classic line that the that that [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► it's such a great moment where India [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► gets to use his the the Jones the Jones [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► smarts to say who would have what would [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► that cut be actually and it's the [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► plainest cup of all and use it to not to [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► give himself eternal life necessarily or [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► does he is any images together only [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► debate is anybody you know when we are [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► 30 states his dad but then you know just [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► statistics every every every I think [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► once you watch this for the first time [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► especially if you watch it when you're [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► like a teenager you have to have that [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► debate like Indiana Jones immortal now [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► but you know you can find all the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► loopholes and everything well he cross [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► past the seal maybe has to keep drinking [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► from it to keep alive because that guy [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► I you know there's a knight who has been [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► there for 700 years and clearly he's not [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► like you know buying food to the grocery [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► store down the street and coming back [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► and hanging out the Holy Grail right so [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► I don't think so [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► he hasn't delivered yeah yeah it may [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► have been a little and predicates a [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► really long time to get the takeout [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► pizza when the pizza guy keeps getting [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► decapitated by your defense it's true [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► that's a good point so yeah and I like [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► the the ending of that movie too where [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► you have that brief scene where you know [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► Elsa of course tries to take the Grail [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► past the seal which they're not supposed [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► to do the whole thing starts so break up [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► in this earthquake and she falls down [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► the chasm and Andy's grabbed her and she [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► thinks she can reach the Grail and she [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► won't give in to your other hand and she [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► falls to her death which is pretty dark [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► also for an Indiana Jones movie this is [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► interesting because she had their [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► services James Bond parallel we have [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► these two you know female leads from the [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► previous movies who our heroines in [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► various ways and this one clearly not a [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► heroine right she is manipulative she's [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► an opportunist she is there to do her [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► own thing and she basically you know but [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► raised in d into giving up all of the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► location of the Grail and all this but [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► she still also tries to argue that we [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► can get out of here it's just you and me [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► and we've got this and she's really [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► looking for that opportunity and so when [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► she falls her death you know he stumbles [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► in and he thinks he can reach it and it [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► takes his dad coming over and saying you [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► know let it go [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► and of course this from the guy who is [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► notoriously obsessed with the Grail so [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► it brings a weight to that of even him [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► saying I found this thing I've been [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► looking for my entire life and it's not [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► worth losing my son over like I've got [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► he is a matter of perspective of my [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► priorities now I don't have to watch it [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► now you know what it all means you still [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► really should watch it lacks utilize I [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► think he is immortal though because then [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► he hides in a refrigerator during a [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► nuclear bomb blast and survives so i [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► think he is actually immortal should we [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► talk about what happened what happened [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► i'll tell my favorite story about of [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► that it's not a prequel I was sequel I [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► will tell my favorite story about this [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► there was years and years of speculation [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► of there being another Indiana Jones [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► movie and people would ask repeatedly [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► Harrison Ford [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► whether or not there's going to be [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► another one and a certain point I think [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► even after they sort of announce ok [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► we're going to do one at some point I [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► remember a story where someone asked him [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► what's the what's going to be in [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► harrison ford clearly i don't know if he [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► was drunk or what he told that [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► oh yeah it's uh indiana jones and the [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► opal of the MERM and prints and and [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► people ran with that it's not even [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► serious her why not [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► and i love it because it sounds like a [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► harry potter book that you know one of [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► the funny things about about these [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► movies is that they don't get done [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► without Steven Spielberg and George [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► Lucas and I think that's one of the [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► reasons why it would they went so long [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► as they they had other stuff to do [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► really George Lucas hello George Lucas [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► was doing some other stuff and Steven [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► Spielberg I mean these are the innocent [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► Spielberg's a busy guy who is making [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► lots of movies many of which are [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► meaningful and win Oscars and things [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► like that right there is he's arguably [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► one of the you know great living [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► directors right and has made some bad [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► movies and has made some fantastic [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► movies but they did the deal was always [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► that Spielberg directed and Lucas would [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► come up with a story now there's some [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► issues there right but it is it's [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► fascinating to see Spielberg come back [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► to the series because Spielberg i would [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► argue maybe does his best work in any [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► movie and raiders of the lost ark it [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► it's not just it's an adventure and it's [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► got its silly moments but it's kind of [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► brilliantly directed I think you can [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► actually one of the was talking to John [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► Gruber before this about one of the [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► possibilities of doing a podcast here [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► and I said you know we we should do [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► sometimes somewhere is take that blu-ray [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► of raiders and do what Roger Ebert does [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► with Citizen Kane which is play it and [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► then at any point anybody can raise [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► their hands and pause it and talk about [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► what they're seeing on the screen I i [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► think it Raiders is so great as a as a [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► movie with the way it's shot in the way [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► it's directed at you that it would it [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► would withstand that level of scrutiny [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► is a i will i will happily conceded as a [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► better craftedmovie than the last [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► crusade though last state has a special [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► place in my sure sure but it's funny [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► then with the Kingdom of the Crystal [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► Skull to see these guys get the band [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► back together and [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► to our state fairs and as it turns out [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► and maybe you shouldn't get again and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► get back together after that you know it [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► makes me sad because there are little [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► snippets of crystal skull that I [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► actually somewhat in like rereading I [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► haven't seen since i saw it in theaters [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► and going over the synopsis before we [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► sat down to talk about Indiana Jones [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► today I I realized you know some of the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► stuff that i remember i actually really [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► like and there are some that it's nice [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► to see a little bit of closure to indy [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► the story Mary and things like that [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► that's that's nice that's great but then [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► the other two-thirds of the movie are [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► you know okay we're going to push the [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► boundary of is it isn't it magic to [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► full-on alien speculation and we're [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► going to throw in CGI monkeys and we're [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► going to throw in all you know exploding [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► things and nuclear fridges and it just [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► it it takes a small want the want for a [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► closure of a fun romp in a story and [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► then it just you know it's it's as if a [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► bunch of terrible's a bunch of terrible [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► Hollywood types got together and sat [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► down a room like all right we have this [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► great Indiana Jones nugget [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► what can we put around it to make sure [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► that everybody will come see it and make [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► it the blockbuster of the summer I don't [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► know you know I I at the risk of of [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► being pelted to death by all other [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► righteous geeks around I I don't think [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► that's I don't think it's that bad [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull I think [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► that it i think it suffers because of [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► first officer it's a Steven Spielberg [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► movie and doesn't you know isn't [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► spectacularly put together it's with its [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► fine it suffers because it's part of [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► this series that's beloved and has these [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► two movies especially the people that [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► are really really good and it's not as [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► good as anything maybe it's you know [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► it's better than the temple doom I think [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► I don't know if I agree with that high [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► well this is what I'm saying is I i [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► think and i think the parts of it that [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► are actually pretty good i think i think [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► maybe they're big mistake was that that [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► the premise that George Lucas came up [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► with with crystal skull was literally we [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► you know these are movies that are about [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► the genre of movie that was popular at [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► the time and so that the first three [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► movies are really in this you know [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► adventure cereal style and so with time [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► having moved on he decided that this is [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► going to be more like a fifties Cold War [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► sci-fi movie [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► and I'm not sure that that is a good fit [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► with Indiana Jones told her because [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► you're forced into the pushing the time [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► forward because of the fact that your [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► stars are from a certain age and so that [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► necessitates a a shift in what we get to [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► talk about and I didn't even mind having [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the you know the Communists replace the [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► Russians replace the Nazis you know that [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► I think they're perfectly good foil for [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► that sort of thing but there was the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► whole i agree that the the thing i [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► always love with the the supernatural [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► was evident but often kind of vague it's [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► opaque it's not come directly out and [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► stated i mean i don't know the the [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► implication seems it has a much depth or [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► touch in the in the Last Crusade and [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► rays lost ark but it does not in Kingdom [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► of the Crystal Skull we're really is [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► just your beaten over the head with the [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► fact that her taking your aliens and [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► they have a spaceship in Mexico and and [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► then to me that is it takes away the the [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► any need for speculation or discussion [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► we're not sitting around talking about [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► you know we talked about is Indiana [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► Jones and moreover sitting around [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► talking about whether or not they're [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► aliens you know having an action [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► sequence in the big room full of boxes [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► from the first movie i thought was a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► kind of funny and bold choice it does [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► make me feel kind of queasy because [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► they're going back over territory that [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► it cheapens it [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► yeah which is a little unfortunate [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► because that is one of the great moments [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► that we all agreed in the first podcast [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► we did that last shot [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► that's one of the best last shots of a [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► movie ever yeah that mocks receding into [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► the building the giant building full of [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► boxes with who knows what other secrets [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► and to go back to the well they're [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► lessens the impact of that and that is [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► unfortunate but i just-i I think we risk [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► as fans of a of anything the becoming [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► the the kind of jaded cynical people who [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► say well then they try to do another one [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► and it's dark and we you know that's [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► what everybody says about the prequels [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► for star wars and that's what everybody [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► says about the Kingdom of the Crystal [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► Skull maybe put me right to it may be [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► true it may it may absolutely be true [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► but I I have to at least question a [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► little bit because I I thought as an as [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► an action movie a summer blockbuster [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► action movie kingdom of the crystal [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► skull was fine i don't actually have you [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► seen it again i I've only seen it the [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► one time but i have the blue right now [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► yeah i've also only see the one time and [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► I [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► don't think that I'm in a hurry to go [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► see it again which is even with temple [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► of doom i watch that every once in [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► awhile because it's not just about is a [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► good movie it's about what is it what is [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► it due to your memory of your perception [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► of these other things that our beloved [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► and I think there's I think there's some [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► I think that's a stronger argument [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► against it a stronger argument against [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► the Star Wars prequels than their actual [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► quality as movies and whether they work [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► as movies for other people because you [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► know in some ways it's really more about [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► your memories and your fondness for the [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► for the this thing that you grew up with [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► and you and that you love and if that [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► stuff gets rewritten I mean I said this [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► about um the third alien movie which I [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► begins executing the alien movies so I [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► actually haven't seen me there really be [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► okay I'll just that [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► yeah aliens it was aliens really great [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► taught kind of more horror sci-fi movie [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► aliens is a James Cameron movie and it's [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► a it's a huge action spectacle they're [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► both great at it [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► the goal in in the in the second movie [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► in aliens is a triply Sigourney Weaver [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► is trying to save the people on this [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► planet especially this little girl that [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► they find Newt and they want to save her [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► and that's you know it's a big deal that [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► at the end of that movie again spoiler [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► alerts ignore the river doesn't die at [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► the end of aliens she saves SI States a [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► little girl and few other people and [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► they escaped on the spaceship from this [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► planet that's covered with aliens the [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► the third alien movie begins with a [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► scene where they wake Sigourney Weaver [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► up she's landed somewhere and they say [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► yeah everybody else is dead but you're [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► alive and and the problem with that is [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► that it's basically a big f you to all [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► of people who liked the previous movie [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► which is everybody who would see a [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► sequel to the previous movie and that's [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► how i feel about crystal skull and I [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► feel about the prequels it's more than [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► it offends me because it's trying on my [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► memories of like what would happen to [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► Indiana Jones later then it is maybe [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► offending me by being a movie that's [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► mediocre there's an element of tone [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► deafness to it i think because as you [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► say you are you [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► the thing that's great about reading [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► series or seeing series of movies i [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► think is feeling like to a certain [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► extent you're being rewarded for your [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► continued viewing in the same way the [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► television shows one of the things I [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► like about watching a long serial on [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► television is that you get rewarded as [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► to things that are callbacks to previous [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► episodes or things that you already [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► learned all right that's interesting [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► because you know last season these two [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► characters have this interchange and [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► that's rewarding and so going into [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► something which seems to just throw that [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► all out the window is kind of tone deaf [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► from the point of view of creator saying [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► that didn't matter that was not [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► important [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► nothing that you just saw you wasted [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► your time or your mind filled in the [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► blanks in a very different way and it [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► was better when it was all just a matter [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► of you know you could imagine what [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► Indiana Jones's future life or his past [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► life I mean that's why when Last Crusade [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► came out I i wanted to see more about [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► like him at home in in indiana jones at [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► home at the University and well yes what [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► was like sweaters just like snow [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► justjust more of that because it's so [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► brief and raiders right but at the same [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► time youyou there's always a risk that [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► it's gonna be something that you didn't [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► want to actually see because your mental [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► impression of what it might be is much [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► well it's a it's a it's a it's a [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► schrödinger's capping it can be all [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► those things that those right but as [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► soon as its as soon as that box is [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► opened its defined oh yeah and you split [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► between watching the people or 12 people [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► who [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► oh I only want to see anyone he's in the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► hat when he's out and about and the [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► people who oh I would like to see more [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► about his home life [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► yes what he cooks for dinner yeah [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► exactly what things what crash is [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► currently happening in his classroom we [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► haven't done an episode about battle [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► battlestar galactica yet but just to [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► mention it here i know a lot of people [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► really disappointed in the ending of [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► that show but I i find that Lex I'm only [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► i finished the first season there you [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► know spoiler i'll try not to spoil it [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► what I'll say is I think the end the way [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► that show ended is if you watch from the [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► beginning one of the very serious [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► possibilities of how it was going to end [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► and I think the reaction a lot of people [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► had to it was because they were able to [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► it was that schrödinger's cat thing [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► they were able to think that it was [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► going to end in a different way and kind [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► of not be emphasized the parts that were [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► like that that part of the story I'm not [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that interested in I kind of don't buy [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► that kind of deep prioritize that and [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► believe that there was going to be an [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► ending that fulfilled what they thought [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► the show was about and and for me I [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► always thought that the show is going to [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► end the way it did [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► actually so i wasn't i wasn't [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► disappointed by it because I knew that's [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► where they were going i felt that but I [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► totally understand that somebody else [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► you know your expectations are different [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► and at the end you have to make a choice [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► and it can collapse the wider than a dad [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► and I said account i had a conversation [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► last night about lost about the ending [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► of loss which I think falls into a [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► similar scenario where some people were [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► really disappointed I was will do that [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► episode 2 [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► yeah well I was not and I was having a [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► discussion but I'm the most and I think [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► that episode was great last episode but [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► but there's a chance there is an issue [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► of this idea that you know you have to [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► have a payoff and at some point people [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► are going to be disappointed to find [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► Indiana Jones on the island at the end [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► you may not have understood that [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► refugees in a box [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► yes he may be alive or dead yeah well [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► this has been great talking to you guys [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► about this movie series which we really [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► love parts of and don't apparently love [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► other parts up and land at least have [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► seen all of Iraq's what you are [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► suggesting when I watch it down i should [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► only watch the first 10 minutes of the [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► second 1i when I would start i watch the [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► first movie in the third movie and I [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► wish they'd watch watch temple do do it [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► don't watch it with the dogs for the [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► kids know but you know watch it to know [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► what it is and then know that the third [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► movie is better so that leaves you get [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► through that today and I wasn't a good [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► you know okay well at least there was [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► gonna be better and if you want to see a [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► man and hide in the refrigerator to [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► survive a nuclear test then watch the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► enforcement honestly I think the fridge [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► thing not having seen the movie is is [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► Spielberg finally getting to have the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► refrigerator scene he wanted originally [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► when he was working with the metas on [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► back to the future the original time [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► machine was supposed to be a [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► refrigerator but they got worried the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► kids would see the movie and hidin [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► frigerator to travel time and and I so I [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► think he just wanted to get his [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► refrigerator stead with that play of [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► kids trying to hide in DeLoreans yeah [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► that was much worse [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► and on that note I want to thank my gas [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► for being in this very special live [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► episode of the uncomfortable Dan Morgan [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► thank you very much thank you Jason Lex [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► Friedman see the movie adult see the [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► movies answer Nicole well thank you as [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► always thank you and thanks to everybody [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► at singleton who is hanging out and one [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► of those rare times when we have a live [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► studio audience and they haven't booted [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► off yet so I think it's time to say [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► goodbye thanks to you guys in the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► audience and thanks for listening to be [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► comfortable [TS]