The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the incomparable number 150 November [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► 2012 well [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► podcast I'm your host Jason scale and in [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► this episode we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► about the fall TV season as we get on [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► toward the end of my guess the November [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► sweeps period we've had a few months to [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► look at what's new and what's returned [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► to the to the TV airwaves and so we like [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► to check in with some of our panels and [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► our panelists and talk about what [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► they've been watching and what they've [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► been liking and if they're things they [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► can recommend or actually scares away [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► from uh for the the fall TV season so [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► joining me today are and he not co hello [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► hello Jason thank you for being here [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► today and more in this year of course [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► because he's contractually obligated hi [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► dan I'm just fulfilling my duty [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► yes you put going through the motions [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► scotland ltd who not only reads books [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► but occasionally has been known to watch [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► television is here hi Scott know [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► sometimes I read books about television [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► other novels LIRR they informational i [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► have a book of short stories about [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► colombo on my bedside table and strap [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► colombo license mysteries I've heard [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► about my rhythm though they are there [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► well jeez I hate to bother you have one [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► more question I've got for you [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► he said yeah I see ah hello Elmo [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► novelization right there will be my [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► nanowrimo when the stories like [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► introduce characters does it save the [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► the the floor shop owner who looked a [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► lot like Donald Pleasence from that [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► episode with us a lot of vineyard owner [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► yes or the Dead possibly who kind of [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► looks like Spock and also joining us [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► that was all the introduction discovered [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► multi by the way has meant something [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► also joining us is John siracusa who has [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► been known to watching television in his [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► time hai jaan hai Jason yeah I don't [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► read the book so much these days but I [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► watched a lot of TV it seems like it's [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► good it's you can get through more stuff [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► on TV books they take a long time [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► someone's gotta do it [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► the shows are gonna watch themselves [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► they're really not that evo is not gonna [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► although sometimes i feel like that with [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► a tivo or DVR general is [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► I don't have to watch the shows i just [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► need to record them just that I just [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► need to own them but that's not how it [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► works Jason that will have to talk after [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► the show like putting a textbook under [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► your pillow yeah i was so you just it [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► seeps n its rich its watching it for me [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► as I record them and delete them [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► it plugs into that same illness that [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► like four years where I would buy like [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the spider-man even though I didn't [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► really like the comic anymore but the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► thing is I'd had I have all of them so I [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► have to keep buying them [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► yeah and take it takes awhile to realize [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► it but I I'm gonna space my DVR I should [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► I should release some of these old [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► episodes a big bang theory but then I [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► won't have the complete season on my DVR [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► yes or you could spend $23 and on DVD [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► but I don't have it on my DVR look the [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► numbers are going up and secrets here [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it's like the problem where you you want [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► something and you feel like I have [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► invested seven seasons in this show and [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► I got to keep watching it because it's [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► probably gonna end within the next [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► couple seasons I've already watched the [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► first seven seasons so I just can't I [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► can't stop watching it now and i'm [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► looking at you how i met your mother [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► know whole plan this is sorry there was [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► this little therapy here are you letting [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► it out are you is this how you let your [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► disappointment about supernatural dan [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► know i love i love you enough that i [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► will talk i was really about it yeah how [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► i met your mother however does feel sort [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► of like it's playing out the string [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► doesn't it it's just it's the yeah there [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► was not there was not eight seasons of [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► this show in it to begin with no kids [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► have i told you the story about when i [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► got my want to visit the dentist in 2014 [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► it's sad because i love the characters [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► and I love to the premise and there are [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► some truly hilarious episodes in the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► earlier seasons but it has hit that [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► point where it's just like just going [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► through the motions just doing it [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► because you know we got paychecks yes [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► until it becomes unprofitable at which [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► point it and then I met the mother the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► yeah they'll be anticlimactic at that [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► point that wouldn't be the worst thing [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► in the world [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► yeah well yeah I'm invested I'm i bought [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► in i just deleted the rest of the office [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► off my DVR I've been watching that and I [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► realized I'd stop watching it but the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► DVR kept recording and saving it and I [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► just said you know what [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► never gonna watch this the office got [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► cut off despite me having invested [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► however many seasons that was up until [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► like last year I've done that occasion [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► but most of the time i'm such a [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► completist it's just really hard for me [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► to give up dvrs change your you know it [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► in the old days you just be like yeah I [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► didn't watch that I guess so well but [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► now it's almost like they pile up and [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► you think to yourself [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► he should i delete them my wife and I [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► have this first of all I'll sometimes [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► I'll just invest myself from a show when [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► I don't like the office i said if you'd [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► like to keep watching the office go [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► ahead but Jim and Pam just got married [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► and I'm going to consider that a very [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► nice series finale and I'm done and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► sometimes you're sometimes you'll see ya [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► you know I'll do that one folding [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► laundry or something and but other times [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► will have a you know a small ceremony of [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► their quiet ceremony where we where we [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► can sign the TV show to its to its it [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► sanded to its final fate and will remove [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► it from the auto record lists and say [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► you remember the happy times and that's [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► dependent and just let it let it go off [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► and it's like we're we're our own [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► network executives say like well I know [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► NBC hasn't canceled it but I've canceled [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► I saved three seasons of walking dead or [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► whatever was for my wife because I [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► thought someday she will want to see [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► zombies not this year not next year not [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► have happened Sunday you want to see [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► zombies and I was right [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► eventually she wanted to see zombies and [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► I said you know what I've been saving [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► them haha how many dvrs did you have to [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► go through to get it like eight DVR is [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► full of various show she might watch it [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► they're all just stacked in a bookshop [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► one day she'll like free to swap in the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► hard drives [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► I've got a big dvrs like a 3 terabyte [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► drive [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► no that's good obviously LOL wow so we [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► should probably start off with the hell [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► this is actually a fascinating [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► discussion about how we deal with the [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► pumping shows often and finally like the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► office is a great example i cancel the [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► office a long time we were there [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► episodes after Jim and Pam got married I [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► either were and i only saw some of them [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and I shouldn't have interesting i'm [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► still watching the office the the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► looming specter of death and knowing [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► that this is the last season they could [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► do anything with these characters have [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► its cause like the producers and the [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► writers to really move things forward on [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the show some of that some of my [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► favorite moments the entire series have [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► been this year so wow well I'll [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► rediscover them someday when I'm in a [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► hotel room and there are reruns on I'll [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► be like oh I haven't seen this one but [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► yeah that that moment that moment the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► hotel room where that did where you turn [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► it on it's already set to TBS and you [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► can't find the remote you wind up for [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► you end up watching about four hours [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► with the family guy right [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► I'm not sure I've ever watched a full [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► episode of the office despite going to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► high school with two of the people from [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► the show [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► wow there's good there's good stuff in [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► yeah and I was on an airplane I was [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► trapped on an airplane and I watched [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► like four consecutive episodes of The [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► Big Bang Theory at which I i show that i [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► watch but it was one of those things [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► where it's like I'm just gonna leave it [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► right here and I'm on a plane and I'm [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► just gonna even the commercials whatever [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► just haha that wash over me [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► I don't want to work any good news our [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► art art art art show is testing [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► extremely well with people who are [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► strapped out and uncomfortable seats up [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► and forced to watch and exactly it's [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► brilliant that the NPC's entire strategy [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► by the way just it's just do it with [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► prisoners and people who are trapped in [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► various locations another example 30 [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► rock where its final season yeah I now [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► feel as though i can't we have we can't [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► just simply like sort of string things [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► along we have to do things or maybe [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► think of it because one of the running [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► themes this season is that they're [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► trying they're trying to that liz lemon [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► and and and Jack are trying to tank the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► network and like deliberately drive the [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► ratings down right so like that that [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► does sound like a scenario that they [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► would hear founded on a final-season [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► episode of 30 rock actual NBC strategy [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► i'm sure it's good for comcast somehow [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► to have it haven't NBC stink as it does [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► new shows with we should talk about new [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► shows first now that we've talked about [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► some old shows a little bit eh they're [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► quite a few out there i've managed to [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► catch a few of them is there anything [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► that than anyone if you want to bring up [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► as a new show that you found that you [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► that you are you particularly like [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► you're just like this revolution knew I [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► can't remember revolution is new [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► solution yeah and apparently it's kind [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► of a hit in the head I'll no say it [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► shouldn't shouldn't be i know i don't [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► understand revolution [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► I you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► defend it I'll do that i'm sure that's [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► because it's like that it knows i am go [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► get him Scott here's my problem with [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► revolution [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► I could accept that there's some weird [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► thing that all electricity stops working [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► ok but but why does the internal [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► combustion engine also stopped working [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► but guns continuing where is not here [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► but this team does work because they [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► have a train [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► I'm saying internal combustion doesn't [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► work but steamworks and by the way the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► electrical signals that your body sends [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► so you can move also work so it doesn't [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► make any sense [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► that's my guy so what you're saying is [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► that this is where we we've got we've [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► got nerd problems here is what we're [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► saying no no you have to I I accept if [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► you have a rule in your world you have [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► to stick with that rule at the end if [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► you don't then I don't buy into the [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► whole thing did is it internal [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► combustion that doesn't work or is it [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► just the fact that cars require [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► electrical starters but Carstairs [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► reported in our company's work around [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► that if you can cobble together my [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► statement rain and your you can turn [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► independence hall into someplace where [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► you can run your Republic from even [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► though Independence Hall has a very few [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► facilities for such things since i live [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► in Philadelphia [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► oh I sneaked into the building so I know [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► it's there you can figure out how to [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► start an internal combustion engine and [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► if you have a stockpile of weapons and [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► access to apparently tanks [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► you can do this so this is my problem [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► with that show ya also remember that the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► the electric starter wasn't like the [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► first thing they put into a car that's [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► like at all those old-timey movies in [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► which you try to crank the front of the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► Cure from the car that's like them [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► manually try to crank start the engine [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► well sure but I mean it is going right [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► or retrofit all your existing cars to be [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► cranks starts which i'm sure most people [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► probably don't have the capability to do [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► it gets rolling a stick shift car down [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► the hill and pop the clutch if that's if [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► that's the option to have to take a [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► steam train down the end of the block to [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► get up and down [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► I would probably want to hang crank my [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► engine well yeah I mean but you know how [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► to turn and you know how to turn an [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► engine into a tank engine without the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► benefit of the internet because I would [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► be impressed i just say I'm guess I'm [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► guessing the best that you know when [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► there's a there's a time when i learned [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► how to basically break into places that [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► should have been broken into without the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► benefit of the internet and that's what [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► cool enough information tends to spread [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► don't know [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► with or without technology so i'm pretty [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► sure that all these solutions would be [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► part of the other vernacular within a [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► year and if it's been long enough for [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► ivy-covered vines to cover the front of [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► wrigley field that's that's putting both [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► literals close to the metaphoric failure [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► of the the team to actually make any [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► product forward motion but i'm sure that [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► at some point someone figured out how to [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► make things work better than just you [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► know that's what I i but i have to say i [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► have to admit though I haven't seen a [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► single episode I was totally throwing [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► haha becomes totally i was totally i was [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► totally thrown off by like all the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► teasers because always the at the first [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► love you co another post a club [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic sort of place that that [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► stuff exclusively by incredibly hot [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► looking women and you're just mad that [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► see here's the thing i did watch the [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► pilot and and I i'm amused by the fact [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► that that uh we're sitting here of [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► though it's nerds ok so I get it but [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► that were debating the side of the [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► scientific underpinnings of this [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► ridiculous plot because my problem with [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► it is that while there are many but one [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► of them is it's the clean apocalypse and [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► I hate the clean apocalypse like well [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► the site is completely broken down but [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► we're all pretty clean and well dressed [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► and well-fed and not horribly scarred [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► and you know our hair is fairly well [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► kept and thatthat's just I mean first [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► off that's ridiculous and then and then [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► watching the pilot I kept thinking to [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► myself why I honestly repeatedly said [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► why would I ever watch more of this show [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► because i didn't find the characters [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► that interesting it seems like we're [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► setting up for this you know another one [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► of these quests where there's a where [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► there's a fundamental premise mystery i [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► I've got a lot of flashbacks to flash [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► forward [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► which was a i watched wasted 10 hours of [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► my life watching that show and that was [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► a terrible show and this felt very much [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► the same so I you know I I i didn't get [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► past the pilot for this one because i [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► didn't like the clean apocalypse thing [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► and I felt that I i had no motivation to [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► come back for another week to see these [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► characters in what presumably is them [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► walking you know traveling from town to [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► town is very incredible hulk style [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► visiting with people and meeting with [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► mean people who are trying to exert [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► their power over the the the weaker [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► people and I just didn't work for me [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► well okay i actually took the time to [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► watch all of the episodes to date second [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► so now I you know I disagree I disagree [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► I disagree that I i have also watched [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► all of the episodes place I mean okay i [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► I'm just starting out there i'm speaking [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► you know I maybe that's because I 10 [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► less towards the critical and more [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► towards the looking for good in things [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► dance ask for the masses because this is [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► a hit and also it's consistent manner [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► masses let's let's all admit that the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► masses are no indicator of taste [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► I mean that's really hit or not is [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► regardless of the fact that just means [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► whether or not it gets the air enough [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► episodes that it might turn into [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► something that's not bad in my opinion I [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► think there's I think there are a lot of [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► problems with the show but i think there [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► are things about it that I like I like [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the production design i thought there [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► were some cool stuff in there [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► I've enjoyed the fact that there I mean [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► and I come at this from the perspective [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► of as Jason knows having written a novel [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► about a post-apocalyptic world that was [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► very similar to this in some ways and so [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► you know that belies my fondness for [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► this idea as a premise your night light [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► effects better than this show damn well [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► they didn't turn that into a television [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► show sadly that said I think there are [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► some not yet there are some cool ideas [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► in it and I like some of the I like some [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► of the characters and as they got along [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► there have been I admitting that there [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► were a lot of points in in the pilot [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► which the thing that i would be more [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► most critical about was like I felt like [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► I saw most of the beats and the pilot [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► coming [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► yeah there were a couple moments they [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► got me and then there were some things [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► in later episodes that I thought took [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► this in directions that were more [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► interesting and I enjoyed the more the [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► flashbacks as we went along the the sort [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► of going into the flashbacks about how [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► things in the [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► asked happened how people reacted and [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► spending out so little bit more of this [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► sort of conspiracy i agreed what Jason [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► that I got a lot of a ring a lot of [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► bells that flashforward rang and i think [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► this show is better than flash forward [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► which may not be saying like everything [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► endorsement but I i don't know i mean i [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► like the idea that they're willing to [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► try audacious you know big-budget show [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► on something that is not your typical [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► doctor lawyer show and so I'm always [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► willing to give something a try if it's [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► if it's you know audacious enough and [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► there's you know the show has a decent [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► pedigree behind it too in terms of the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► community the creative team and so that [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► for me is enough to be interesting i [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► feel very much like this is a its first [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► season show it's very it's more it's got [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► more of an ongoing plot than i expected [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► because first season shows are often [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► very episodic which is say there's a B [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► plot that sort of going through the [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► entire thing which wich i appreciate but [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► it does feel like it's trying to find [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► its footing and I could see it turning [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► into something you know very interesting [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► it might also just go off the deep end [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► and totally lose my interest but right [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► now I i give it sort of a grudging [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► approval [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► I don't know guys I I've seen all the [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► episodes as well because i like a post [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► apocalyptic stories and that you've hit [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► most of the the nerd highlights of [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► what's wrong with it but I think like if [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► you ignore all the things that we've [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► discussed so far and just pretend it's [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► not the story that it is it like it [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► suffers from several some like the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► network effect is in the television [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► network effect i think any one of us if [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► you put us on a spot right now and said [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► I want to have this post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► story where it's like 15 years after [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► civilization has gone to hell and you [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► know I and there's a group of people run [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► with it we can come up with better [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► characters better premise better things [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► for them to do better and you know [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► overall arc better episodes like [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► everything about it is just so kind of [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► like it's not it's not Terranova bad but [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► it's it's pretty bad in terms of its [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► like boring side of road by the numbers [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► not really that enjoy I think [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► flash-forwards a way better show this [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► because at least flash forward was a [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► disaster that had some ambition [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► this is kind of like a yeah all right i [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► mean like just that if you had to [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► explain what is what is the main start [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► going after that her brother who cares [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► about her brother who cares about her [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► who cares about the MacGuffin who cares [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► about any of these people society and [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► like it's there's there's some [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► interesting stuff there but they never [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► go to the interesting stuff is just like [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► yeah it really it really kills me and [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► it's in its lack of ambition you know we [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► happen to have a good apocalypse show on [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► TV right now in the walking dead which [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► is not a clean apocalypse which is more [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► interesting and shows how messy things [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► are in a way that it may actually kind [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► of ruined revolution for me because [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► revolution is you know work we're [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► camping [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► that's like that's what the apocalypse [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► is is we have to camp out now and all [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► the logistics for wrong in terms like 15 [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► years later well I mean I I wanted a [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► revolution i wanted to post block the [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► show that didn't Tommy's yeah well I [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► wish his head was just had some kind of [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► a threat besides Civil War looking [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► people and one guy who's kind of a [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► psychopath mean guy and it's like it's [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► just business [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► i feel like and i really feel like [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► anybody could come up with something and [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the only reason this gets on the air and [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the million better ideas don't get on [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► the air is because some person goes like [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► okay okay [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► electricity doesn't work like it it's a [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► show the premises for dunces pitched by [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► dances to dances and that gets the green [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► light and anybody could come up with a [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► better post apocalyptic stories in this [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► like with more interesting things or [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► whatever it's like now that's not going [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► to understand how about this you know it [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► just it really it really bothers me that [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► way now I keep watching it i'm not sure [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► why i'll probably end up deleting it [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► I mean I just the last few episodes i [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► had built up I just watched so i can be [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► in this podcast but [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► I really like i said i think flash board [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► was a better show because it tried into [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► something more and really I think I care [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► about the characters from the flashcard [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► now characters no no I was guys might be [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► awful i'm having sometimes I get lost [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► and then I watched and I want to be [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► hired a flash-forward man that I said I [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► watched flashforward as well I mean it [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► went off the rails and / or was a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► message but like it was there was some [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► ambition there I felt like there was [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► some kind of ambition in flashforward [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► there was a little bit off the beaten [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► path in this just seems so [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► paint-by-numbers i think i think the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► problem here is there with this one is [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► there backing into i think what they [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► want to get at by the main plot [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► I mean I don't know ke they're not doing [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► they didn't necessarily do a great job [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► of leading into at the beginning but I i [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► think they've backed into some stuff [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► that might be interesting no I'm not [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► saying is the greatest thing since [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► sliced bread but i thought i thought it [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► had some potential promise that sliced [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► bread does not work in revolutions [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► despair are the limitations of the shows [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► that kind of put the handcuffs on [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► themselves like what right with a pilot [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► where they can't just like a doctor who [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► it's a show that is here's a really [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► colorful universe with some really cool [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► stuff in it let's chill stories that [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► take place that really wonderful [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► University they created Star Trek also [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► there can be some ongoing stories but [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► fundamentally it's about this wonderful [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► universal we're going to explore filled [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► with great characters i think one of my [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► disconnects with a lot of these shows is [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► that with the revolution that I'm sorry [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► with the with with that show I mean that [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► the right to the pilot it's okay so [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► you're telling me that I really [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► shouldn't pay close attention to these [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► characters i should really ask myself [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► how did the power get turned off and how [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► are they going to turn it back on again [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► i don't know i think it's overwhelmed by [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► this question that is in the end should [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► really just be the MacGuffin of the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► series [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► yeah that's how I felt flash forward and [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► and not exactly living too and also and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► also you just you don't there's the [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► David Lynch effect where you're [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► wondering where our man you're gonna do [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► you really have any idea producers how [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► you're going to win this up or are you [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► just going to mess with me season after [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► season after season having no idea what [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► direction you're going to go for me [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► Babylon 5 way the template where you [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► have to work out where all of this stuff [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► is going to have to maintain [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► my faith that by investing in your show [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► is that there's going to be a payoff at [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► some point while they're playing it [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► shows that don't Bob I mean you know [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► depending on how the show works there [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► are definitely episodic shows that don't [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► necessarily have a thread that runs from [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► you know episode 12 the final episode so [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► I think it depends on the type of show [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► this is I agree this is one of those [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► shows that does seem like it's setting [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► up to have some big mystery [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► yeah and i think that is that's tricky [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► you can get away with not with this type [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► of you know string people along not know [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► where you're going to like you you have [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► it's like a balancing acts like an [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► equalizer for your stereo right if [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► you're going to crank those things down [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► you have to drink something else up and [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► the thing is like everything in the show [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► all the characters motivations don't [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► read is real [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► the dialogue is not interesting or that [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► snappy like isn't this is not good [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► writing the character the character [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► don't act like human beings that like [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► badly written characters no one's [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► motivation makes any sense if you think [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► about it more than three seconds over on [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the same thing with the premises like [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► what which one of my equalizer girls are [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► up here like what is it [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► alright so fine you're not good at what [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► are you compensating within just [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► everything is just down like low-quality [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► boring not very smart not realistic to [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► give a guy with a sword [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► not even the swords not interesting the [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► guy's not interesting like no he's not [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► everything in it is just turn weiwei the [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► only interesting thing about it is like [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► I like post-apocalypse stories which I [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► do i really really like that's why [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► watching the show but it's just [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► everything is nothing in there for me [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► it's just it really about and I think [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► that's why it's popular is like it's [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► like a it's like NCIS or CSI rings other [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► shows they're just like just really all [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► the dials turned way down very very [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► broad don't confuse anybody you know [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► like even CSI better at least that has a [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► mystery act if you're into mysteries [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► than you know you can get a taste of [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► that was just nothing in the show from [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► you and i and i got i'm gonna say it's [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► not as bad as terra nova turnover was [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► worse but it gets that same feel [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► i mean i-i didn't even get past the [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► pilot with Terra Nova that was they [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► learn that was really bad heard of old [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► Terra Terra Nova pilot was so much [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► better than the actual episodes were too [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that's the thing because i watch some of [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► those when I was someone in the chatroom [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► brings up Jericho everything is a short [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► show that was much more interesting than [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► this but with a similar vibe [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► you don't think Jericho was more [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► interesting than that in a revolution i [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► watch more than one episode of Jericho [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► I like three or four but yeah with it [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► also had the same problem of not very [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► smart people not very smart dialogue but [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► at least it got you somewhat intrigued [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► in the premises until you realize that [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► it was just gonna be dumb you know [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► yeah I alright well we'll move on from [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► revolution but I I'm so out of touch the [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► that a I got my entertainment weekly and [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► it said revolution its successful and I [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► thought really how is that possible but [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► apparently it is i mean there's a [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► certain question and that too at least [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► because of the idea that you know if [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► this is the kind of show that it doesn't [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► seem like usually succeeds right [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► oh yeah like especially on a network [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► yeah well we'll see we'll see how they [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► will see how they do but it apparently [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► has gotten into some reading so far i'm [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► just happy the Philadelphia isn't it [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► I excellent i will i'm going to bring up [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► a new show that I've been watching or at [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► least I watched a few episodes of which [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► is Elementary which is CBS is Sherlock [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► Holmes procedural inspiring jonny lee [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► miller and Lucy Liu right because that [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► was always my complaint about sherlock [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► holmes Watson should be hot [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► uh-uh i always thought that to myself as [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► I was ya think it is thank you yeah I'd [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► say if you take jewel on their men and [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► then some people might argue he is so [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► elementary you know I i was amused by a [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► lot of the reviews of of elementary that [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► were very apologetic about the fact that [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► it wasn't as good as the BBC sherlock [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► but that it needed to be judged on its [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► own and not compared to the BBC sherlock [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► because it was not nearly as good as [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► that just like they will follow [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► themselves yes yes I've seen that all [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► you ate before it is at six episodes of [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► the BBC sherlock yes it's not as good as [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► that but and then there's the there's [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► always the butt which is you know it so [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► elementary you know that it's a [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► retelling of Sherlock Holmes he's in New [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► York he's he's a buddy still English he [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► is a recovering addict and Watson is [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► there to kind of monitor him and he's [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► sherlock holmes that we know more or [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► less than that he's got his amazing [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► powers of deduction and so it's not a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► terrible idea to set to take Sherlock [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► Holmes and put him in the middle of the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► CBS crime procedural why not and that [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► and that is literally what this show is [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► I like i said i watched I think three [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► episodes and I realize okay I think I've [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► seen the show now I think I've seen it [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► all just going to be variations on the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► theme because it literally is who needs [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► an entire CSI when you have sherlock [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► freaking homes he is it CSI Sherlock [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► right so that and that's really at me [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► and Lucy Liu is she's feisty and does [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the things that she does but you know I [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► i was interested in watching it because [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► i like to compare to the BBC Steven [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► Moffat Mark Gatiss series and you know [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► they're not I I think they're not [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► comparable in in any way at all i think [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► that the BBC show has handled updating [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► sherlock holmes for the modern-day kind [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► of immaculately lots of the interesting [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► flourishes uh-oh of ways that Sherlock [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► Holmes adapt to modern society whereas [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► this is I mean really it's it's just a [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► CBS show he's the mental list except his [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► powers are different i saw the first one [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► the first half of the premier it just I [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► didn't really have any complaints about [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► it is easy to make it's easy to make fun [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► of okay Lucy lewis watson ok i know [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► where you're going with those networks [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► it just didn't really engage me not like [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► the guy I can't you can't help but [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► compare to the BBC addition because it's [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► the same characters in the same your [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► stories that we all grew up with and [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► whereas I don't I just don't I think [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► they didn't think that it would have [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► been great better if they had really [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► taken the house md approach where they [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► didn't hide in any way shape or form [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► that Sherlock sculpture lock holmes and [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► watson is the model for this these [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► characters in this relationship but when [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► they realize that well work we really [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► want to drift far apart from that [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► modernize it at that point they did the [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► smart thing they decided well we don't [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► have to call it Sherlock Holmes we can [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► simply called to claim this is a brand [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► new character and totally totally [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► short-circuit anyone's expect [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► expectations that direction so i think [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► that whereas the BBC version [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► produced a wonderful that thrilling [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► update to to Sherlock mean these are [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► this is the exact same character the [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► relationship is spot on the characters [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► attitudes towards life and towards the [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► the environment is spot-on even though [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► they are they do have cell phones now [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► and now they're actually using the [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► underground instead of care courses [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► carriages I just don't think that this [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► new version of advert for for America [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► really hits those same notes it's a [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► decent show is just not a decent shirt [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► walk when it's right it's it's not [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► really sure like I mean it's the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► character and that's really what the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► transplanting is he's got a he's got a [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► watson and he's a master of deduction [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► but all the other trappings of sherlock [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► holmes have been sort of swept away and [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► like I said we're left with a CBS crime [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► procedural where the main character is a [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► master of deduction which and somebody [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► in the chat room is saying you know it's [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► not even close to the BBC but it's not [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► bad for network TV and I it's not i mean [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► if I was locked in a room and forced to [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► watch a CBS crime procedural and I've [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► seen episodes of most of them i would [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► probably pick elementary because it was [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► fine and it was kinda sherlock holmes [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► character and and and Johnny Lee [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► Miller's performances it's he's [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► interesting and it's it's fine but all [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► of those CBS crime procedurals are feel [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► like they're of a kind I mean they're [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► literally they're mass-produced crime [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► entertainment for an older demographic [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► and everything wraps up nicely at the [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► end and that's fine there's nothing [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► wrong with that is a competently [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► produced piece of entertainment it's [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► just you know it's hard for me to get [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► enthusiastic because it doesn't it [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► doesn't seem to really push it's not [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► even like person of interest which sort [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► of took the CBS template and then did [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► some interesting kind of subversive [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► things with it it's just you know it is [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► like i said it's sort of like a CSI NCIS [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► kind of meant the mentalist is like the [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► best example it's very much like that [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► it's a guy who's really clever and he [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► notices Stephanie solves crimes [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► yay so there it is in the seventies he [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► would have a rock band in a van [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► did anybody i did anybody else see [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► elementary is it only me to sacrifice [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► myself it did not directly but how [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► no my mother started watching it [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► apparently oh good well there that's [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► again there's the demographic right [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► well to be fair to be fair my mother [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► usually is pretty good taste in [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► television [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► alright well except that she said it was [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► yeah that's what she said she's like [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► it's not great but it's okay i mean [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► she's watching videos in the demographic [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► like that much better but and it's not [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► bad [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► so that's what it's got going for it so [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► sees Jon watched all of all of [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► revolution just to be on this podcast [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► and I watched three out three hours of [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► elementary so we all make our sacrifices [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► but what else is new [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► last resort should we talk about that i [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► would happily talk about it i watched [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► all of that as well I've watched all of [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► that as well I've only seen the first [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► two but don't let that stop you [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► we can we can talk about it and John [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► sounds we're hearing again if I let him [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► go first this time all go after all [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► right because a tough competition [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► between this and revolution for the new [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► show that I'm least enthusiastic haha mi [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► Dulce parents didn't know anything about [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► it until I watched the pilot and like I [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► was gonna be an interesting premise but [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► like they don't know what they're doing [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► on this show they don't like they don't [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► know what the point of it is it's like [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► well we've got that we've got the [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► locations from lost but we sure as heck [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► don't have the writers of the cast and [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► the premise is even less focused than [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► loss if that was even possible [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► huh you know that the thing you saw the [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► pilot with the submarine and the nuclear [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► missiles and the firing on your own [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► thing but then we also supposed to care [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► about the people like they cannot keep [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► from episode to episode like what the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► actual conflict is and what the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► parameters that conflict or something [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► that it's basically just like each [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► episode you will see beautiful scenery [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► on a tropical island and soldier like [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► people run around and do something and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► you probably won't care too much about [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► it up too much tension because next week [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► new people run around and do new things [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► and I'm just tired of it [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► it's like not not quite it's not [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► constrained enough I i like the pilot [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► because I agree with you it's all over [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► the place but what I liked about i like [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► most of the pilot let's say I what I [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► liked about it is that it felt like I [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► was watching the part of a movie and [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► that it was aight i love that it was [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► kind of a mess because i thought this [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► could go in interesting places the fact [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► that it is they don't sell is this but [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► it's essentially like a sci-fi show [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► because it's [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that in a time where the you know I I [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► you know there's questions about the US [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► government and they there's a nuclear [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► attack on Pakistan and and Andre [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► Braugher who is great and i love Andre [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► Braugher is set set himself up as [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► basically the dictator of this island [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► because he's got his nuclear submarine [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► and there's you know there's a [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► government conspiracy and that's always [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► really boring ever since like the [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► x-files I've been very bored by [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► government [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► I don't know why people think government [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► conspiracies are interesting and it's [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► like the default go to run it's like [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► paperwork but evil is evil paperwork but [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► it's still paperwork it's boring [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► they can't even be bothered to have a [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► conspiracy is just like the government [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► bureaucrats are mean [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah well you're right there's [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► implications are conspiracy but it [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► really is just the club of me and [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► bureaucrats yet they can't even be [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► bothered to tease you with it just like [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► we doing the government series now let's [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► just have like the soldier guy and the [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► girl i guess that's gonna be the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► opposite episode and now the pilot does [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► have one of the most spectacularly [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► terrible things I've ever seen in the TV [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► pilot which is the the military back in [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► Washington there's the military [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► contractor in her underwear [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► yeah which is one which that is that is [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► Mandy level badness that is West Wing [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► Moira Kelly level awful character [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► oh the there did I i have to say that I [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► think this is where I guess this is a [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► rhythm revolution I don't know why it's [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► worse but I just when I think about like [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► when they brought on my DVR and say [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► which one should i watch i usually go [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► for the door is just no I i know i mean [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► justjust 400 per hour i think i would [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► take a last resort / revolution and I'm [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► fascinated by it i pick up mad about [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► even for me [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► I mean I neither of them do I think it's [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► spectacularly great neither do i think [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► is I've seen more shows than both of [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► them and that you know again not saying [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► much as early i thought the pilot of [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► this one was pretty good i mean it had [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► at least one moment that you know I [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► thought was kind of a wow I didn't think [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► they were gonna you know do that [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► normally sell your bomb 200 miles [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► offshore washington DC [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► yeah I guess I didn't really even doing [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► that far yet [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► you know it makes sense to you in the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► context of the plot or do you mean the [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► contractor in her underwear now that you [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► know whatever thats you nobody expected [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► from never tell ya [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► we need to get attention something looks [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► you have you expect the contractor to [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► not wear underwear jason has a lot of [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► chasing those work clothes yeah she was [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► very surprised if she needed to FL off [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► if FBI FBI agents are going to send [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► shirtless pictures of themselves the [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► people i think a contractor now know [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► about our sketch of my reality job so [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► you know I think you're that good it's [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► it's it's like we're doing we're getting [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► closer to the place where there's so [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► many scandals coming about that now [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► nobody will believe that the government [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► can pull it together to be evil towards [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► anybody because they're too busy sending [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► naughty photos to each other with their [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► government issued blackberry I believe [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► that's how multi and scholarly lasted so [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► long I don't know III in the day in the [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► day since george w bush I've had a hard [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► time you know believing that the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► government is actually competent enough [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► to do things there that evil but you [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► know it's kind of it's kind of a have [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► your cake he needed to I think I think [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► there's some interesting stuff on the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► show again there's some some threads [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► that are that are interesting as the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► episodes have gone along they've gotten [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► more into sort of you know the the [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► episode stood the pilot starts with them [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► picking up these you Navy SEALs who have [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► been on some right botched operation and [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► they sort of get more into well what the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► hell happened there [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► there's some interesting power-play [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► stuff i think on the island you know [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► because this local warlord who is kind [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► of got everybody understand rate it's [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► mess it's it's a total mess but i kinda [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► like I'm kind of enjoying that it's a [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► mess because there is all this different [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► stuff and I it's just it's fascinating [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► to me to see the them say look this is [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► not going to be like a regular TV series [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► where it's the same every week it's just [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► we're gonna have this complete mess of [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► strands and we're gonna try to advance [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► it and yeah if you think that's good the [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► most recent episode which I just watched [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► today involves basically a [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► hallucinogenic drug attack on the island [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► which I thought was just in frequency [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► know it was kinda entertaining the best [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► thing about this week's episode and was [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► that they so they did the thing they [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► didn't yet so lost does the thing are [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► you know JJ Abrams ever ever do the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► thing where you know 10 million shows do [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► with a show you you know at a later [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► point is the first scene and then they [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► go back where you see 36 hours earlier [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► but this is the place that they put it [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► with they put that formula in a shotgun [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► and fired at the screen and then they [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► did in the dialogue they said like two [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► hours before the chemical attack and [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► word chemicals in red and they did this [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► seven times during the show and [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► everytime chemical was in red like okay [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► we get it was I thought it was handed [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► hilariously wacky I mean I i really i [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► really enjoyed it for me because it was [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► like spending a lot of time it was a [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► little bit like mementos like I'm just [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► trying to put the pieces together what [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► order this crap happened was what a mess [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► that was water and like and this pieces [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► scattered to know to no real end really [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► i mean two one reveal they had was [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► something that you saw coming and wasn't [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► that really important to the plot or [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► like oh what a mess that was what a mess [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► but you're right it's like it's a it's a [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► mess in this should be they should use [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► this show as a course for teaching [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► people how to write television because [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► every episode 7 examples of what not to [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► do and they're all didn't save variety [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► that's what i'm looking for a variety of [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► different ways not to read a TV show [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► yeah i mean honestly if you're gonna [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► watch a show and it's not great one of [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► the reasons to keep watching is because [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► it's fascinating in how strange and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► messy and and just weird it is and and [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► that's kind of my fascination with last [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► resort is that it's got a little bit in [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► it that's a little bit of crimson tide [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► and I like that part and then the rest [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► of it is just like what are they doing [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► and honestly i'd much rather watch [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► something like that that's messy and [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► what are they doing then something like [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► the premise of revolution which for [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► whatever reason does just for me I look [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► at that and I think that's just really [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► boring because it's just I i kinda I [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► feel like I know all the permutations of [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► that story where as last resorts like I [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► don't know what they're gonna do it's [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► it's just how is that a TV show and [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that's more interesting to me and I yeah [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► I don't think it'll last that I think [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► it'll I don't think I left beyond the [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► seas I don't sound I could I don't think [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► it can but I mean I like I really like [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► Sean Ryan the the guy behind it who did [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► the shield yeah areas and you know I [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► think this is just it's just so bizarre [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► as a show that I i can't help but you [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► kinda need to be put down speaking of [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► like Terriers like as an example of you [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► know what why does Terry get canceled [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► and last resort like potentially be [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► renewed like it's an unjust universe we [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► live in it is he says the sooner you get [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► to realize that the better you [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► understand television no no my one [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► favorite thing about last resort those [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► there's they have a at a convenient [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► radio whatever early-warning missile [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► detection system which is essential for [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► their stupid promise right yes it's like [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► a bigger you know it looks like a big [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► EPCOT Center dome and picks up radio [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► signals and it's in the valley between [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► two gigantic mountains which is exactly [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► that you put your your solution co-sleep [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► yeah you're your thing that senses all [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► around the entire island we can sense in [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► 200 miles in any direction will Nestle [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► in this valley now I thought maybe [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► that's what doesn t fit [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► yeah well there if if you want some [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► evidence that there is a justin logical [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► universe animal hot the Animal Hospital [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► got canceled after one episode [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► yeah we're maybe too because they did [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► that they did the one that preempted the [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► end of the olympic closing ceremonies [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and then I don't know what that show is [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► I feel good I feel better about it was [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► it was the NBC sitcom about that's and a [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► monkey [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► I had no idea that this thing exists me [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► you got a you had to think a monkey was [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► gold [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► comedy gold animal practice and practice [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► our yes but yeah I'll all you have to do [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► is see like all the clips of hey well [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► let's let's dress up a monkey like a [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► doctor and have them like walking around [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► doing rounds as a regular character [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► that'll work that is right out of the [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► television playbook of like you know [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► every show from the nineteen-eighties it [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► seems like so that's that that's it [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► that's a network executive that is [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► officially disgusted by America where I [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► i met I imagine this guy like having [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► tried to like large all these really [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► really great creative series and all [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► them tag after season ever like one [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► episode are never getting never get [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► launched to begin with is alright idiots [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► you what stupid sit gulps let's give [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► this with the stupid sitcom ever and [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► unfortunately there wasn't a springtime [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► for Hitler effect it actually was [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► regarded as the dumbest thing ever and [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► burst into flames potentially has [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► anybody actually anybody else actually [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► seen episodes the showtime series with [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► metal at the bomb [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► no but I was about to make a friend's [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► reference i was going to say that that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► the the animal practice show is really [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► an NBC executive saying let's recapture [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► the magic of that time when they have [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► that monkey on friends [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the monkey was testing through the roof [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► I told him to keep the monkey on the [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► show but they wouldn't listen to me i [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► think i was just amused because on the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► show episode [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► codes which is sort of like a Hollywood [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► you know now pastiche right there's a [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► whole return recurring theme about how [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► the network that the the show focuses on [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► passed on a show about a talking dog and [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► then it becomes like the most popular [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► show on the network and they're like why [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► do we bet on the talking dog Joe that's [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► a that's I think Steven Moffat said has [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► did that the episodes painful for him [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► because it is at literally about Miss [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► adaptation of a UK sitcom in the 80s [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► like in fact it is and kind of hilarious [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah resembles the coupling story a [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► little bit too much any other any other [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► new stuff you guys are watching that we [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► should talk about that's weird that this [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► isn't like usually I have I start [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► watching more shows and then bail on a [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► bunch on this 1i guess the only to have [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► new ones are watching your revolution [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► and last week how Sally sad and they're [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► disappointed but like I think the [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► returning shows are making me happy this [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► year so all right well let's talk about [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► returning shows that she would tell my [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► friends a little bit [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► Alex get our God o so so well French [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► part of it is just we've come this far [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► right this is the last season of fringe [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► ya doing I'm gonna see I'm going to see [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► it through 13 episodes or whatever and [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► then they're done when you're halfway [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► you're halfway through now right [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► and basically i've only seen the first [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► what three of these i think i've seen [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► the first five [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► ah I'm i am happy that fringe is going [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► out on its own terms and its own terms [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► are completely insane right I'm okay [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► with that the fact that like hey let's [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► set in the future and we're fighting [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► aliens observer from threats and aliens [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► they're given future humans yeah I know [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► okay they're really the ones like the [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► watchers from marvel comics but I I'm [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► enjoying it because i like seeing the [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► characters and I like seeing them in a [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► different setting and it's you know it's [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► and it's crazy i love that they [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► basically threw away their kind of old [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► premise and have a new premise that's [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► just we admit we're not even a little [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► bit like we were in our first season now [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► if you went from the first episode to [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► the this season like I want to do it [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► with lash yeah so I've enjoyed it for [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► that I agree I you know I thought I [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► think I think this season dealing with [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► the the two worlds was my favorite which [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► three i think was the main one where we [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► really got into sort of the back and [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► forth between the two worlds and I'm [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► still enjoying it i mean i thought i got [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► i think its peak in the throat and a [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► third yes I grom but that I mean you [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► know even so it's still doing a lot [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► better and you know i think in the it's [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► nice that they got in the back door on [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► sort of the insert of the site like it [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► started off as this very like it's going [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► to be kind of x-files e right like yeah [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► and then they went just it just into [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► like unapologetic full-blown sci-fi [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► right and that I kind of appreciate [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► which is like there's not a lot of that [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► on television I feel like you're [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► definitely not on network television [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► know that this is a show that lets its [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► freak flag fly and it if it gets [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► freakier every every year it's true and [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► I don't mind that even though it's been [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► a really uneven kinda you know and then [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► even show over the years but i'm glad [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► they are getting to end of the same [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► complaint as i had last time we talked [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► about fringe which is that they now at [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► this point they've just done too many [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► changes and the they've done too much [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► with the same characters that now i feel [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► like i care about this character in this [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► space and I cared about this character i [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► do this space and then they made this [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► character not really her but then like a [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► clone but the different like they've [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► just been too many times too many [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► Walters too many Joshua Jackson's too [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► many you know you know you want to call [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► them Pacey too many paces [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► yeah I'm not like that doesn't it just [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► they've just gotten that they've gone [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► through the middle too many times and [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► every time they go recycled through its [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► not the storylines about so much it's [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► just that I'm no longer I no longer have [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► any I can't i lost the thread of what it [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► is these characters wanted what what is [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► going to be fulfilling for them [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► intellectually emotionally plot-wise and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► I i mean i still enjoy the wackiness of [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► the plots and i like that they've just [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► basically reset the show like so many [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► times i find that that bold and [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► interesting and i like i like the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► x-files season I like the i really like [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► the know the finding out Pacey wasn't [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► who you thought he was like the two [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► World season but like just as they've [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► gone through the meat grinder I just [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► care less and less than this this season [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► like I had no emotional connection with [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► their their daughter I don't care what [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► those two want Walter [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► changed over too many times the [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► assistant is there for no reason at this [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► point you know like it's just you just [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► you know just sail it out like and I'm [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► more interested in the characters of the [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► bald guys like know the turning them [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► into characters at least that because [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► they haven't been through the grinder 50 [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► times it's just the one you know like I [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► can get you know September was kind of [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► interesting character and i love these [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► evil guys like to know what's inside [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► their head what motivates them and stuff [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► but the but the other characters is just [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► too much so yeah they need the show [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► needs to go out I I applaud them for [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► being bold and daring and they had so [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► they had a couple of good you know half [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► seasons and some really good episodes [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► mixed in there so but in general it's [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► kind of dying with a whimper i think one [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► of the things I like about friends and I [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► na they've picked it up this year too is [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► that it does have an underlying kind of [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► sadness about its themes that I like [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► they and i've said this i think the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► previous podcast the this is a show that [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► turns out its underlying premises about [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► the loss of a child and what happens [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► when Walter refuses to accept the loss [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► of his son and in this season I thought [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► it was interesting that they kind of [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► came back to it again that that that [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► theme with the idea that that that Peter [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► and Olivia's daughter is lost to them in [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► there is an attack by the observers and [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► they lose her and then their loss to her [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► because they get ambered up and are you [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► know trapped in amber while she grows up [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► and then they're reunited but I i think [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► it's you know for what it's worth I I've [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► always appreciated that about fringe [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► that they there is this underlying thing [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► that's about parents and children and [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► and loss of of children the severing of [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► the bonds between parents and children [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► and and that's been something that [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► they've had as a theme from from the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► start from the from the pilot which is [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► about Pacey reconnecting with Walter [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► when he's been in the mental institution [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► all that time so anyway I I like that [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► about it and I thought that that in [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► starting the season it was cool that [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► they went back there and that they've [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► had this you know that that plot and [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► that theme keeps kind of coming yeah i [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► think that will play a big part in to [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► see I just [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► wait until you see where this season [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► eventually and John Doe spoil john-boy [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► little restaurant but i'm going to say [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► no no I mean I right they're playing [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► they're playing off all of those same [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► themes that they've had so I i like i [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► like that that there's some consistency [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► to the themes although I do think it [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► went over to the you know so bad it's [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► good thing Danny final bit with the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► posters on the wall media or anything [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► like that that finally that wrapped [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► around that I'm like all right I will [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► just I was just on apologize to laugh at [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► that because it's just so alright that's [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► are you gonna do [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► ok just decided they're going out full [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► throttle and that's that's great [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► yeah 3 flag haha yeah everytime i watch [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► the show i am amazed this is only [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► applies to me that i watch it because [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► you know a few years ago my mom came to [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► visit and she said oh I have to watch [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► fringe while I'm here and I was like I [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► don't know what this fringes but ok and [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► i started watching it was like hey I'm [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► amazed you watch this mom and baby i'm [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► going to continue watching it and I I [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► have to ask my mother if she still [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► watches it though because i think it may [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► have gotten a little too weird for her [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► but yeah my mom made their about the [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► first three four seasons of lost and [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► then was just like yeah whatever that [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► time travel stories like that was not [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► like I'm amazed you made it that far [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► somebody in the chatroom pointed out by [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► the way that we did we did we leave off [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► a new a new show that I did watch the [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► pilot of which is arrow [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► oh haha on the CW it you're really a [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► plumbing the depths obvious i'm working [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► hard here don't know is it that bad as a [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► NBC had a short-lived show called the [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► cape over the Cape [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► yes the Cape I didn't see the Cape I saw [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► the first I saw the planet fact i [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► believe i believe the guy who started [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► the Cape is now on revolution [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► I'm not kidding i think that's true [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► actually I believe it is true era was [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► better than I expected although i had my [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► expectations were quite low [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► it's a bizarre combination of of it's [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► almost like lost crossed with gossip [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► girl it's it's one but haha it's you [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► know it there's some interesting aspects [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► to it because it's the idea that he's [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► the this kind of near too well playboy [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► who gets on a it isn't a shipwreck and [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► Island and learns to become this you [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► know bow and arrow ninja dude and you're [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► selling keep going you know and and so [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► when he comes back everybody remembers [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► its first they all thought he was dead [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► but everybody remembers that mr. spoiled [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► brat and he's at and so you get that [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne kind of thing where he's got [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► his public persona as this miserable [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► spoiled rich kid when in reality his [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► he's brooding and dark and likes to fire [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► arrows at evil guy is right because if [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► there's nothing that intimidates bad [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► people that bow and arrows well that's [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► what they had on the island except for [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► except for horses and bayonets [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► especially if you take the rubber [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► suction cup off the end of the era [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► before you fire it could take someone's [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► eye out with that it was a it was it was [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► pretty much what I expected from a CW CW [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► show it was not it was a show it was [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► well it was not as terrible as I thought [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► it would be i mean really it really [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► wasn't but i didn't watch another [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► episode of it i didn't i didn't record a [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► few more but we Sarah we had a ceremony [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► last night we deleted all the episodes [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► of arrow off the DVR so but there were [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► in fact let's go back and watch it but [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► that's like their debts they're trying [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► to recapture like Smallville and do it [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► then tell the story of the green arrow [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► which is hilarious also because my wife [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► who doesn't know anything about comic [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► books keeps getting Hawkeye and green [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► arrow confused and it never fails like [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► you know we're watching The Avengers [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► she's like so is the green arrow no no [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► it's not and we're watching Aaron just [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► like this is this the guy from The [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► Avengers no it's not there's two [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► separate bow and arrow superheroes [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► I know it's confused wait until the just [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► windshield shows i just gonna throw you [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► for a loop extra confusion [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► let's see what else I a couple of you [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► mentioned homeland which i haven't seen [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► although I've heard from some people [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► that might be another example the show [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► that print should have been one season [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► long but John and and and dan have you [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► seen that one [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► yeah we can't spoil it for you i have i [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► heartily endorse homeland yeah I [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► definitely watch it even though in the [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► seconds it's got whatever second season [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► disease is talking or itís yeah it's [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► got many of the problems that shows have [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► in their second season partially due to [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► how the first season ended with parsley [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► just do [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► I don't like syphilis or some other kind [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► of things going to the writers around [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► you know some sort of wasting disease [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► Wow regenerative right but but it's [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► still like it's hardly even for you this [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► number this is an example of like we're [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► the good things about Homeland are so [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► good that you're willing to like like [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► this there are bad things you'll see [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► what they are if you stick with the show [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► but like season 1 season almost nothing [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► in it that was bad really just great [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► thumbs up right and season two still [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► great acting still great writing still [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► some good ideas but then like the bad [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► dial start cranking up a little bit more [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► like but wait a second is that this kind [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► of show [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► no but it's good and these people i like [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► that like really really i think Claire [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► Danes win the Emmy yeah yeah I mean she [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► was there because like to its it's so [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► you have to watch it's a really good [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► alright i really enjoyed it I'm a few [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► episodes back right now but I you know [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► so maybe I haven't run into as much of [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► the I mean it's tough because John's [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► right like that the situation they leave [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► at the end of the first season is like [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► all right where do you go from here and [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► it is based i believe on a Israeli [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► series and so there is always trouble [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► when you have an adaptation of like well [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► when you depart from the source material [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► and you know can you sustain things you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► know if you outlast the source material [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► especially but there's some really [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► interesting stuff and it really you know [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► it's it is really compelling at least [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► definitely in the first season the [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► second season I think I ended the the [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► last episode of the second season ends [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► with sort of a crap moment i did its [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► second season does have some good [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► moments kind of like you watch Friday [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► Night Lights right Jason oh yeah I mean [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► you see you know when the writers one [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► strike and they did that crazy thing [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► with assessments like the only entry in [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► the yeah right papist oh it's not that [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► bad it's not a total cliff-like was [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► still good parts to it but I you know I [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► don't know I maybe they didn't want to [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► give up their caste or I don't know like [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► it you will see but it's definitely [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► worth watching this is totally an [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► example of where the good things are are [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► just so really good that I'm willing to [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► forgive a lot of badness and missteps [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► and i will definitely stick with this i [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► really look forward to homeland every [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► weekend we Friday Night Lights fans [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► don't like to talk about the second [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► season and yeah i think the producers [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► did too because in the third season that [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► they literally have things happen that [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► that could not possibly have happened if [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► the second season it existed and they're [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► like just metin [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► ya know like buddy Garrity did you adopt [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► like a big kid the Santiago when I [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► haven't met your house and we have a [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► football team known to do that didn't [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► Landry was never accused of a crime [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► nothing never had a hope that these [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► things happen in Texas all the time so [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► yeah it's just everybody [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► yeah but we should do it we should do an [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► episode about friday night lights [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► sometime [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► oh I'd have to watch it i love that show [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► good show i'm watching Jason you gotta [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► hurry up and watch homeland before [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► people are like 400 km managed not to [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► but just get through season wanted to [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► really fast [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► that's another one that i saved or I [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► should have saved from my wife it I [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► tried to convince her to watch it she [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► wouldn't do it then once i started [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► watching season 2i all the episodes i [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► watch secretly without her so she [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► wouldn't know like even if you saw a [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► character on the screen you're like well [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► I see that character in season two I [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► know they don't die and I don't think I [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► kept it totally you know well in the [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► dark and i think it worked out well so [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► hurry open season one before you know [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► what happens is available somewhere [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► maybe it's available someone I showtimes [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► readily available on iTunes probably [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► yeah my wife bought it on itunes despite [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► the fact that she just discovered today [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► we can talk here free we should could [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► watch it for free on the show time you [TS]