The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the entire purple number 160 November 20 [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► well [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► welcome back to be interoperable podcast [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► this is jason snail and we are doing a [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► podcast this week that you asked for [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► you asked for it especially if your name [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► is and i'm going to completely put your [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► this name I feel like John Syracuse on [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► that for critical who butchers the names [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► of everybody some feedback proton [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► stopped have is the name way to have an [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► easy name by the way and it says hey and [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► comparables I love your shows and I [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► choose books to read mainly based on [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► your recommendations which is awesome [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► which basically means Scott's [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► recommendation so good job Scott McNulty [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► who joins me hi Scott [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► you're welcome I'm introducing you in [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► the middle of proton studies mail [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► because why not it's a what [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► why not he's just a loyal listener we [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► might as well be a little bit as much as [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► possible [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► have you considered doing a show about [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► how you read since a big portion of the [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► episodes deal with books it seems [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► natural to have a show about your [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► preferences ebook or paperback favorite [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► time to read style etc thanks and good [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► luck [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► I like that that's like you know what if [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► you actually listen to me you are [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► totally screwed but here we are we [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► listened to you and and that's the topic [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► and we'll talk also about what we're [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► reading also joining me in addition to [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► Scott McNulty who is the man who tells [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► us what to read most of the time are two [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► men who are highly well-read Dan Morgan [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► hi Dan [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► alright Jason I'm here to read books and [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► chew bubblegum I'm all out above them [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► all right well then books it is and it [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► turns out he hasn't seen it but he has [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► read it it's lex friedman hi Lex I Jason [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► I I haven't seen it because I've been [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► too busy reading I I Reading Is [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► Fundamental he read the novelization of [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► it right I really yeah that's gonna [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► haven't seen the Star Wars but I've read [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► ahead at the bookstore was something [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► books it's close it's the same really [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► yes it's really exactly the same but [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► John Serkis just had a minor stroke out [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► there but it's not the same [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► that's good that's a good syracuse [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► actually i haven't told that sounds like [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► that's true that's true there's a moment [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► in the last week's podcast that was a [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► one of those moments where he gets a [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► little bit randy anything no it's not [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► that's as great a pure John syracuse it [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► but anyway John isn't here because he's [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► a very slow reader and so he didn't want [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► to be on this podcast he it's true hehe [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► you take some time to read so he reads [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► these thousand-page book so it takes [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► like six months i gave him a book to [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► read about nine months ago and he [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► assured me that he was nearing the [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► one-third months working on it is but [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► I'm working on it [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► he has never finished one of his own OS [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► 10 reviews no I'm not here I believe he [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► writes faster than he reads in fact that [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► his heart not hard to believe it is [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► amazing so pretend status email I how do [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► we read I I think I thought that was an [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► interesting topic because i switch to a [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► kindle a couple of years ago my last [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► paper book was a Neal Stephenson book it [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► was a anthem which weighs about three [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► pounds in hardcover and I said I'm never [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► doing this again and I got I got a [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► Kindle and I've actually been reading a [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► whole lot more sense then i I'm I'm a [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► public transit commuter and so I've got [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► about 45 minutes to an hour every [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► morning and every evening on the bus so [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► when I got the kindle i switch my [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► newspaper subscription to uh to the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► kindle version and I started buying [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► books on the kindle and I I didn't bring [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► novels are things with me when I woodham [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► when I would go on the bus i just would [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► be like especially three-pound [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► hardcovers right so now just read this [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► one at home and i ended up reading a [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► whole lot more and buying a whole lot [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► more which I suspect is Amazon's entire [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► ploy right [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► really it's easy to buy things and then [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► I've got like ten books that i haven't [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► haven't actually read that i bought that [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► are sitting on my kindle but in general [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► it's really transformed how I read [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► because I i'm reading in places that I [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► wouldn't have read before because I [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► wouldn't have a book with me but now I [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► have my kindle with me or I've got my [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► iphone and I can read the same book on [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► my iPhone and its really changed how I [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► how I read books to the point where I've [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► essentially stopped reading paper books [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► entirely so that's that sort of the [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► overview of my story and i'm curious how [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► you guys uh how you guys read where you [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► read and [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► how that's changed with the advent of [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► some of this electronic stuff Scott you [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► are our Lord and Master when it comes to [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► books and i know you have every reader [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► into the Sun so you your purely digital [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► now right you don't read paper books [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► you've got every ereader ever [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► well I one might assume that and I that [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► would be a a faulty assumption i know [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► it's shocking [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► I i do love reading on my kindle and for [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► all the reasons you listed and I do have [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► more candles than any one person who [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► really has no reason to have as many [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► kids as i do should i ahh [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► although i had to be fair to myself [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► since I am talking i do write books [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► about candles so if item you buy them at [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► multiple cards read them on your kindle [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► you could which defeats f1 of my kindle [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► books was released only on the kindle [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► and nobody bought it because it was a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► book about how to use the kindle if you [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► couldn't use your kindle it was you [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► couldn't buy them anyway that was a a an [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► experiment that failed so I do i do read [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► a lot of books on my kindle but also i [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► love actual physical books as well and i [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► am sitting in a room with probably i [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► don't know 1200 books surrounding me and [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► there that I would be crushed under [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► books and on my desk I have two tablets [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► and a book from the library so I i read [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► in a variety of ways mostly because used [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► books are so darn cheap they're they're [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► far cheaper then like if you go into the [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► back catalogue generally a used book is [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► cheaper than a kindle book so i will buy [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► a used book instead of a kindle book if [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► I care about saving money and also i can [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► use my amazon points to buy physical [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► items but not digital items if I if [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► Amazon let me use points to buy kindle [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► books i buy a lot more kindle books so [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► when I was in Portland the summer I went [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► to powell's bookstore the city books [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► it's beautiful amazing bookstore him [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► you've been there Scott right i have [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► since your wife is from Oregon see drop [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► in the Scottish melty knowledge [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► look at you uh and that is such a great [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► store and they have used a new books [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► together throughout the store so you can [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► sort of choose user new and i bought the [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► airfare again another Scott McNulty [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► recommendation right it's a jasper [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► fforde yes it is just before its first [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► book in the ones you thursday next [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► sunday next friday next thursday [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► thursday night opening on friday next [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► friday next is a different character [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► energy is true so so I'm and that was I [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► i actually was in piles and piles has a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► has Wi-Fi they actually have an app that [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► gives you a map of the story lets you do [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► point-to-point directions if you don't [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► know where you are because it's a huge [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► store but I looked up what the cost of [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► the book was in the the used book was [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► cheaper so i bought it and it was weird [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► reading paper books again but it was a [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► better deal there there's no doubt about [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► it and the library right is the best [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► deal of all because those books true are [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► free [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► it is it is a communism but if you can [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► if you can get over that it's it's a [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► good deal [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► yeah it's a good deal but I want them [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► back that's the problem i do is we're [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► eating them in a window that's always i [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► read with the second Patrick Rothfuss [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► book which we did a podcast about the [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► the wise man's fear that was a library [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► book and I read it under pressure [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► because I knew that it was due and i had [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► to get it back 1,000 pages and it was [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► due to ensure and they could have a [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► deadline so it's free but yeah but it [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► was a debt book under a deadline strap [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► that helps that helps me read faster [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► that's true and i have the good fortune [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► of working at university so if I which [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► also has a gigantic library if i take a [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► book out there i can keep it out for [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► like five months huh [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► my wife works at the library so I [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► actually could probably have kept a book [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► out forever but it-it-it was supposedly [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► due in a couple of weeks and I felt a [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► lot of pressure also is very heavy so I [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► only read it in bed because I didn't [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► take it with me on the bus because it [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► was too heavy [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► which gets me back to my original kindle [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► point which is Kindle is just so damn [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► convenient dan how are you how are you [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► reading what it what are you one word at [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► a time Jason [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► one word inside that's good advice you [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► were just saving that up [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► I yeah I've been like 10 minutes now [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► we're gonna say that it's got Scott was [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► talking unusually a lot i know this is [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► this is gonna be Scott's highest talking [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► you strong a bunch of words together [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► that's good what we're talking about [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► books and any books too i mean this is [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► like catnip for Scott writing is Bala [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► Lake here [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► that's right well I mean I grew up as a [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► house full of librarians it was strange [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► i don't know they're all doing they're [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► the kind of like that you little bit [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► like hobos but they're very well read [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► hobo so it'sit's you know you do what [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► you can't I don't know I I i have i have [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► a kindle which I acquired last year i [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► think and several iPads and yet I think [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► I probably still read most of my books [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► in in flesh and blood or palm and [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► binding i guess and I end I think a lot [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► of it is intangible reasons i just kind [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► of loads to part with that in the same [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► way that I think there are lots of [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► people the people who continually tell [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► us how much they love LPS / mp3's I [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► think I'm i think I'm that person for [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► let's just say it's not that i want i [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► know i hate those people i hate myself [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► to a little bit but i I just I don't [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► know there's something about the the [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► book as a medium that I really enjoy i [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► still have an easier time it's not so [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► much the the like physical act of [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► reading but something there's something [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► mental going on where I don't retain [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► stuff as well and I think it has to do [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► with the way I process when i read stuff [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► because i often jump back and reread [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► like I'm reading like a paragraph and [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► then all jump back to the top of the [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► paraffin read it again [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► I don't know why it's just the way my [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► brain works but i find it harder to do [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► some of those things are kinda like foot [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► back page and then it becomes conscious [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► instead of sort of unconscious and that [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► to me is is takes me out of the [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► experience of reading a lot of times and [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► so I think I find that that a little [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► difficult and I don't know I i like the [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► convenience factor a lot and I like the [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► e-ink screen I've had a much better time [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► I've written I've read a couple books on [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► the ipad 2 and that I think is that [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► might be my least favorite of the of the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► meat [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► x yeah we'll talk i think we'll probably [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► talk about that more but yeah i agree [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► the either or something about me and [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► some people are like why would you even [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► have a kindle but you think it's better [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► it's different it yeah it is different [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► from from a computer screen or an iPad [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► or an iPhone screen and I think beyond [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► the the physicality and just the innate [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► nature that there's there are some [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► principle issues at stake here which is [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► to say for one thing i don't really not [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► a really fan of the way that ebooks work [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► in terms of their which were in a period [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► right now that's kind of like you know [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► the pre drm-free music where everything [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► is locked down everything sold on [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► individual stores ensures Kindles you [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► know amazon's great about letting you [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► take your kindle books and put it on [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► your iPad or your iPhone but the idea of [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► having a book that I can't readily lend [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► to my friend is kind of a turnoff you [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► know and the idea just in principle of [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► drm on a book is not one that i really i [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► really like is this thing where you know [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► I don't really own my books into a [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► certain extent you know if Amazon [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► desired decided they could revoke all of [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► my all of my books and that that makes [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► me a little wary of of paying for things [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► in you know i think i have on a couple [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► occasions now use the library to borrow [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► an e-book which is nice but in sanely [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► complicated and the rights there are [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► even worse i've done that and and I you [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► know I've been pretty happy with it but [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► it's not easy to use because you've got [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► to go to the library website and then it [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► sort of channels you through to the [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► amazon website or yeah or i mean really [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► if you're I overdrive using an iPad and [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► over try this it's terrible [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► yes my works the library she has told me [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► detail had terrible over unlike you I [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► have I mean my parents both left their [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► library and careers before he looks [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► really a big a popular but i have a1 [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► cousin who's a library and a elementary [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► school and she is very she loves [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► technology and she's really technology [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► savvy and then she talks about you know [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► listen to audiobooks on audible or [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► getting ebooks from overdrive and she's [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► so bad [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's it's not like i said my [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► wife my wife doesn't end there there's [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► actually a great [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► it's a great piece out there that are [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► put in the show notes that is a said [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► bring my librarian that basically says [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► sorry books but I'm breaking up with you [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► and it's an extended metaphor about [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► breaking up with a bad boyfriend who [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► seems cool and happened with it but in [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► the end is really just kind of [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► unreliable and self-centered and not [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► worth the trouble and yeah that's ebooks [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► for for libraries and it's too bad i [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► mean i mean if you book if if all you [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► want to do is buy books just you [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► knowlike purchase them from amazon or [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► Apple or you know barnes and noble would [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► have you been any books might work out [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► but i think the lack of flexibility and [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► freedom and I think the idea that sort [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► of innate idea of freedom is something [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► that's very much at the heart of [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► printing and books is the I you know [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► freely exchanged free exchange of ideas [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► and to me that I think that from us from [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► Shirley principal standpoint I there's a [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► lot of things I don't like about a book [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► but also just from a practical [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► standpoint there are things that [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► frustrate me [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► I think that's a mean I think that [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► you're right that the form factor of the [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► book makes it super easy to share and [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► you know distributed company says that [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the foot yeah the publishing companies [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► low that and they love the fact that [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► they can sell you know individual [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► licenses for e-books and through [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► libraries they can say okay we'll give [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► you you know because it I boggles my [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► mind that i can check out in ebooks from [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► the library and it is actually checked [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► out like they can only yes and only one [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► copy one copy or whatever you buy each [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► copy and then that license only lasts a [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► year right and they have paid and then [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► and in fact there's just a thing the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► other day to make this a little bit more [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► topical that about penguin renewing you [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► know it's deal with libraries and this [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► becomes scarier when in light of the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► penguin Random House merger which will [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► make it a gigantic publisher pretty soon [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► you know you run into the issue of you [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► know they've got big sticks right [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► because they're giant publishers and you [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► know to a certain extent you start to [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► lose competition in that relevant [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► they're really not [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► there's no advantage for them to relax [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► that kind of stuff right now because you [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► know there's no there's no competition [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► there's nobody undercutting now also [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► they missed a real opportunity to call [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► themselves random penguin [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► strychnos a living like yeah shame on [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► them but it is it's not it's not a good [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► deal in there they're claiming that it's [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► uh oh well you know the libraries have [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► to replace the books after a certain [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► number of reads yeah but it the books [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► don't expire after here it would just [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► disappear automatically yeah it's not [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► like the book the actual physical books [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► like catch on fire you [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► although if they were publishing [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► companies could figure out how to do [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► that they will probably be sure [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► yeah because let me tell you started a [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► fire in the middle of the library secret [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► IT what have to buy all those books [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► again there's a comment in the chat room [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► which is the e-book should be cheaper [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► because they don't have to be [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► manufactured a ship now the fact is that [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► you know you do need to pay the authors [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► and the create the most important value [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► in the cost of any book is the fact that [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► it's been written and edited by [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► professional people that all said they [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► will be replaced by computer the truth [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► is the value of that book is partially [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► that you can loan it to somebody or sell [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► it to somebody or give it away and [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► eBooks can't you can't do that unless [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► you use you know drm stripping plugins [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► which are widely available if you are [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► you or I mean you can do some lending [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► through amazon but it's very limited.we [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► one time for some boys right exactly but [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► now I think one of the issues is it's [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► not just that they mean if if the book [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► is also printed if it's not just an [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► e-book then they still have to pay for [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► all the expensive printing costs whether [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► you buy that printed book or not like [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► that's where the real cost is for the [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► publishing industry right now still [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► renting these things because they never [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► really got the process that sheep and so [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► I mean when you see ebook only ebooks i [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► find that those are not always but are [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► generally cheaper than their their books [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► that are both available in both formats [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► but if you wanna see like the three four [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► dollar book and I think the writers and [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► getting paid very similar to how they [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► would have gotten it was a twelve [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► fifteen or twenty dollar book it's got [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► to be the ones that don't have a paper [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► counterpart yeah yeah you're right [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► because they're also worried about the [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► economic effects that if they make the [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► e-book that much cheaper than the paper [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► book then nobody will buy the paper book [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► and they don't want that i would really [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► like to see them take a step like the [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► sum of the blu-rays have been doing [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► include an e-book with the book you have [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► a digital copy [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► yeah I want that very much i was on to [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► that for books I bought from them before [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► Oh [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► wouldn't it be great if amazon said [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► every book every paper book you by bus I [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► book match we throat we throw in your [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► books for free yeah yeah that would be [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► now can access them that well and in [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► some cases they were when i bought and I [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► know we talked about this i think maybe [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► a little bit at the time but when i [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► bought the lowest mcmaster bujold copy [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► of crying over and last two years ago I [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► guess it came with a CD that had all the [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► bookseller memory except from memory [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it's unfortunate that's my favorite one [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► but it was pretty cool lot of research [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► exactly exactly and you can buy and you [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► know I think it's worth you know giving [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► a call out to both bein the publisher [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► there and tour which is also recently [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► dropped drm from its ebooks it's [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► unsurprising me to a certain extent that [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► the science-fiction you know presses are [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► at the forefront of this kind of thing [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► because they are full of nerds [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► presumably who understand that things [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► like the RM don't work right somebody on [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► the in the chatroom said what about the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► giant libraries we already have now so [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► as as somebody married to a librarian [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► what I'll say is no libraries are great [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► because not everybody has an e-book [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► reader maybe someday they will and [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► because there are all of these issues [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► where the digital books aren't as freely [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► lendable as the ebooks many books are [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► are just not as freely lentils paper [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► books ours and that's just the the fact [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► right now and also because libraries are [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► great for things like helping you find [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► books to read and recommending things [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► for you and i'll tell you talking to a [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► human library and telling them what [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► books you like we'll get you way better [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► results then amazon's recommended for [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you better and and if you just think of [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► a library as a building in which you [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► store books I think you're really really [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► undervaluing what a library is right [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► it's about the librarians it's a it's a [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► community space for people to gather [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► it's about dissemination of knowledge [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► it's not just by your house [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► people get on the internet there now to [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► that's one of the things that the [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► library is 44 r NRI using dvds in the [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► library we have music and audio body [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► books comic books [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► yeah lots of good stuff I'm I'm holy [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► again as the library sort of do [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► librarians I'm a holy pro library your [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► child with the library dan I am I grew [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► up I could die could redo a decimal [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► before I could [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► actually read wow that's a lie Lex woody [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► what are you reading and how are you [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► reading we haven't gotten to you yet [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► it's right it's funny because you [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► mentioned Jason the last paper book you [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► read I i am almost exclusively book [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► unless I can't find the book any book [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► format or if it's more if it's pricier [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► than the the paper book i will if it's [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► pricier than the book out by the let me [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► try one more time if they book costs [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► more than the paperwork I i tend to get [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► the paper book haha at the last paper [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► book I read was the city and the city on [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► this podcast recommendation i had to get [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► that from the library because it wasn't [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► available at least at that time in ebook [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► format and I realized how much I really [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► strongly as you say Jason prefer reading [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► ebooks instead because I is for me it's [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► the portability is the fact that the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► book is always with me [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the problem is I don't feel like I have [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► a lot of time to read I don't have a [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► commute [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► you know I walk from the kitchen into [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► the office and then i'm at work and some [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► haikus along the way and that's about [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► so I i do almost all my reading in [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► between the time i get in bed and the [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► time I fall asleep i have a kindle to [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► was my first candle and I really liked [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► it and then the ipad came out and i [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► started reading on the ipad instead as [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► Scott screams angrily and I abandoned [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► the kindle entirely then we went on a [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► vacation cruise where i had i took my [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► iPad and Lauren my wife took my old [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► kindle and I was jealous of her reading [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► on the kindle when we were reading at [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the same time and I decided I have to go [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► back to using the kindle and then [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► eventually I got the the kindle three [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► keyboard i don't know what they call it [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► that but they can build the black [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► candles got the keyboard and I have the [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► fancy case for with the built-in light [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► that's inside the case that you can use [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► this book light and now i do almost all [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► my reading on that and some on the iPad [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► Mini which I find as much better for [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► reading the original iPad was despite or [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► despite the lack of retina display ad [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that form factor is clearly way better [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► for reading but I do almost all of it [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► like i said in bed before i fall asleep [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► and I I don't miss books i like that [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► these books are you know very very [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► adamant paper books I like these are our [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► portable and light and especially if [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► they're always with me because you know [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► if I want to be able to read at some [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► moment of downtime whatever device i [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► have with me whether it's my mac [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► or ipad or iphone i can get back into [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► the book and that's very helpful for me [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► so that doesn't take me six months to [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► read no Syracuse's style to finish [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► reading the books that I'm after you [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► know I i read the city and the city [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► because it was up for Hugo word i got [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► the they sent a packet to all the voters [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► which it's a great deal you pay fifty [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► bucks and you get every nominated work [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► and includes comics and novels and short [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► stories and it's a great deal anybody [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► who like sci-fi stuff should sign up to [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► be a hugo voter because not only can [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► when you're done can you say this sucked [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► I've this is your feet was terrible i [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► voted last right you could do that but [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► it's a great deal because you get all [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► these works in digital format but the [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► city in the city when I got it was a PDF [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► it wasn't an e-book it was it was a PDF [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► of the hardcover and I read them on my [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► iPad and that was actually a really nice [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► experience and it's one of the if I have [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► a complaint about the ebooks right now [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► it's that I still think that the [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► typography isn't as good as it could be [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► and that the books aren't pretty enough [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► that II think especially I think that if [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► you're looking at a PDF or even [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► something on a retina iPad it's a little [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► bit different there there there light [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► that you know the e-book readers of [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► light but the fonts elections aren't [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► great and the screens are high res [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► enough for it to to be quite as pleasant [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► and the city and the city that I read [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► was you know they picked the typeface [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► and they had somebody at the publishing [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► house looking at every line to see if [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the hyphenation were good and you know [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► and and it was that all the detail work [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► that goes into a print edition and the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► ebook edition is kind of an export for [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► microsoft word right [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► it's funny you mention that because you [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► know one recently amazon updated the [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► kindle appellees for iOS so that it can [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► use the publisher supplied front instead [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► of you know having all of your books [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► being one of the same for fonts or I [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that Amazon's abuses on the E and kindle [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► where you don't even get that option [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► most of the time I tend to tweak the [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► font size in between books because [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► otherwise i found my brain especially if [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► i was reading similar genre books [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► back-to-back my brain was modeling [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► details but if I just tweaked the font [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► size or do something so that it sits a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► little bit different looking that helped [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► me a lot with not getting confused right [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that's good and and the most recent [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► update to the e and kindle [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► adds a few fonts as well and publishers [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► can set the fonts which I find annoying [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► because they always pick all fonts for [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► some reason it's like nobody in the [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► publishing industry and has a kindle [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► like a that's better accommodations [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► exist people pick the equity funds [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► having just read and and Dan Scott I [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► think you've read this too is the [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► captain for patrols Alliance the the [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► lowest mcmaster bujold book the latest [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► for closing the book and we'll talk [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► about that in a future episode but what [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► ensure he me about it is that it was the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► kindle version was locked too [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► while helvetica yes my god that it was [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► awful [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► you know it to be fair my copy was my [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► copy was also walked to a single font [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► but it's on paper that's a little bit [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► easier to do I mean but it was also a [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► little bit is I mean they spend much [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► more time I think writing out the fonts [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► 4848 although once I read a book in [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► sans-serif and I was like this is this [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► is the most awful thing i've ever heard [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► not good it'sit's really unplug it [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► really is in time and we know you know [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► we know somebody and I'm speaking of [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► certainty coldwell who isn't isn't here [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► tonight but maybe she for her day job [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► works on ebooks and has a great deal of [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► pride in the quality of her workmanship [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► but I get the distinct impression and [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► reading many of these ebooks that that [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► is not know ways the strongest of the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► focus of a publisher they have the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► intern do it or something like that [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► I don't know what they're going it's a [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► publishing the publishing industry is [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► very confusing to hit after that and [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► it's sad because ebooks should be i mean [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► they should be something quite like it [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► seems like you probably don't need to [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► spend that much time on it [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► I mean yes there is time to be spent on [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► it there's time in in in investing in [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► people who can learn everything they [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► need to know so they have the expertise [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► to produce a beautiful book but it seems [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► like na na industry where they spend so [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► much lavage so much attention on these [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► on print books [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► it seems like you know having someone to [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► oversee your ebooks at least little [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► cares about is not that much of an [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► investment given on your potential [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► returns [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► yeah i mean they must just feel that it [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► doesn't matter that people are just [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► going to read them and they're gonna [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► accept that the holiday level and maybe [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► that's maybe that's true also they may [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► be concerned that if the books get too [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► that's gonna be you know honestly I they [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► just figured well its computers right [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► you just exported it will be fine and [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► and and it's unfortunate because some of [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► my ebook quality really varies i mean [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► i've seen really good ebooks their [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► ebooks where they do custom fonts [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► although actually on the kindle that's [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► usually really bad because the custom [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► fonts show up at like all smudged and [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► weird and bad but there are there other [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► ones that are somebody in the chatroom [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► just pointed out you know older catalog [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► titles often are just ocr'd from the way [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► they literally just scan it obviously [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► those errors and their and their [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► horrible horrible errors [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► yeah so it'sit's yeah yeah and I think [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► it's the the publishing the book [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► publishing industry is generally not one [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► to rush to embrace technology and so I [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► sweet they are took them years to get [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► off scrolls it it's it is true stories [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► there i think there are two things right [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► they they are frightened by technology [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► and they don't think of themselves as [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► technologists even though i would argue [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► that the book is a piece of technology [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► but that's another discussion and so and [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► they are kind of they see themselves as [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► a defender like the book designers see [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► themselves as a defender of the physical [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► artifact because they feel like the [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► digital tools are so immature that they [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► shouldn't waste the time on it so they [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► just you know push a button and output [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► whatever crap they get and they lavish [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► all their time on making a beautiful [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► print book and then you get the ebook [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► and it's a it's a piece of crap and [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► there's also been much more time and [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► obviously they've spent a long time [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► perfecting that art of making a physical [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► book right 500 meters [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► yeah so that was so we don't have that [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► luxury for e-books yet in terms of we [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► and you know people have not yet figured [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► out or spend the time on it but that [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► said there's probably a lot less work [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that goes into that and then making [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► physical object right yeah it seems like [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► you could bring it up to like eighty [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► percent you know and then that would be [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► a pretty big improvement [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► what's funny is that the sum of the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► sci-fi publishers and I feel like the [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► sci-fi publishers they're very much in [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► the same level as the computer magazines [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► are for the magazine industry where [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► their their their audiences ahead of the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► trend but that's where the trend is [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► going [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► and a lot of those sci-fi publishers [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► like you said Dan are now selling their [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► ebooks directly from their website [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► drm-free and they get more money because [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► they don't have to cut in amazon or [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► apple for a portion of the proceeds and [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► they can do interesting sales & bundles [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► and things like that which are pretty [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► cool and I get the impression that [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► they're spending at least a little bit [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► more time focused on their ebook ebook [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► version now that said having seen the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► covers of all the lowest mcmaster bujold [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► book oh baby that wall more yet covers [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► are pretty much anything in science [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► fiction and fantasy and for yeah they [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► could you could argue well not all but [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► many know what I want you staring into [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► people will be as being covers [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► particularly yes are ready awful so [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► maybe they're spending more time now in [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► the ebooks and maybe they can spend less [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► time I actually feel glad that I don't [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► see the covers of those books on my [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► kindle justjust the text i just judging [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► by the text don't judge a book by it's [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► cover because it's gonna be a bad cover [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► see I hate when you open up the kindle [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► book and it they try to put you to what [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► at the sum algorithm has decided he's [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► going to be the first page of the text [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► because i want to see the cover of the [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► book of research that I have to score at [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► least and probably right uses that and [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► infuriates me to lex because there are [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► often like dedications and forwards and [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► any other sometimes we'll skip intro [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah you don't need that crap [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► have this is nonsense sector-1 cut to [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the chase be bright and cheery res if [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► you really want to read a book you by [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► the physical copy no book readers just [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► want to get right to the detox second so [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► the problem Jason you know about that [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► the fact that those guys are selling [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► their their books independently the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► issue i run into with something like [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► pain especially is the workflow is [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► terrible right it's the same problem [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► we're talking about a little bit of [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► libraries where it's just like great now [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► you bought that ebook and you have it in [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► a file on your computer probably do not [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► want to read it on your computer or even [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► have software on your computer that can [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► read it well amazon by default if you [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► send it if you send a book to your [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► kindle if you know your kindle email [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► address yeah we already added to your [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► document library unless you turn that [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► feature off it will [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► oh if only we had somebody here who had [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► written a book about his place [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► I don't know couple books you could read [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► and I [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► amazon also has a little uh send to [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► kindle app that you can install on [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► windows or mac and you can it does some [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► cool things but you can also just drag [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► the file onto it and it was sent to your [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► kindle you can also print web pages and [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► things to your kindle which is kind of [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► neat [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► so tell me more but i but I would argue [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► a lot of this is it is an ancillary and [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► a lot of people who own candles don't [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► even know like right because they hide [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► stuff from Amazon they should mention [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► that you read Scott's book they really [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► should [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► yeah yeah but if you do get to that [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► point you can do it but you're right [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► it's it's a mess with amazon you just [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► press the button and it's on your kindle [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► and that's a lot easier than although [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► again they're they're assuming that [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► their readers are a little bit more [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► technically adept and they get the zip [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► file and inside is or actually don't [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► even do that they say like download the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► Kindle format and it gives you a file [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► and there may even be a readme in there [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► to say here's where you attach your [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► kindle I USB and drag it into the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► documents folder or even the point I've [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► walked out and bought the action yeah we [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► can [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► that's what you've bought it twice and [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► they with ya in a tremendous number [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► Scott's kindle book is available [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► wherever kindle books are sold [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► that's right so Amazon right find you [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► you cannot buy the personal to go back a [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► little bit 22 reading habits i find that [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► like Lex I i run into the problem of not [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► having a commute when I when I used to [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► have cats been really want to keep you [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► but I used to have a community required [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► me to you know be on public [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► transportation for an hour or so away [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► you know that was great that was reading [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► time and i find it now like wax I [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► usually end up reading you know getting [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► some time between getting in bed and [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► falling asleep and then occasionally you [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► know on the weekend or something if I [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► got a couple hours and and I might sit [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► down and read a little bit but i find it [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► really you know I as someone who has [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► been a very fast reader for a long time [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► I find that it's not so much that I [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► don't read fast but that my bandwidth [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► amount of time available to actually [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► consume that is his lesson which is [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► unfortunate i think so i don't know [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► maybe I need to that that is the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► advantage of ebooks for example is that [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► I could go well I'm you know in line at [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► the grocery store [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► I'm worried I wouldn't get i would get [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► engrossed we told the fact that i'm [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► paying for something sir Sir [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► now let me just finish this chapter this [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► is the phase of although i did find [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► briefly that [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► for a while I was taking my kindle to [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► the gym and I would like get on the bike [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► or the elliptical machine or something [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► and just prop it up there and and read [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► and actually finally got through a fair [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► amount of book that way you know and you [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► if i go and workout for 45 minutes or [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► something like that and that's a decent [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► chunk of reading i do find that i reread [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► sections a lot more than I would in a [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► paper book because because of that [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► reading in line like I do get engrossed [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► with anyone there when it's time to pay [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► or when it's time to look at what your [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► kids are doing again i can't help it you [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► know I just I i I've trained myself to [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► rip my eyes away but then you have to go [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► back and figure out where you want to [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► get back into the context think so I [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► I it's I think it probably [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► dollar-for-dollar minute by minute I [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► spend a little bit more time reading [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► books because I more frequently have to [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► backtrack because of finding any using [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► any spare minute where I can to try to [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► get further along i would like someone [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► to invent I am throwing this out there [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► is someone going to invent a way to sync [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► my progress between my paper book and my [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► ebook hmm that would be awesome because [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► i would i would Amazon does do real page [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► numbers that's true yeah I guess it's [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► it's not the problem solved [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► I need a little device that's a bookmark [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► and then I put it in and it scans the [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► pace i don't have this kickstarter rfid [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► i don't know i just say that when hard [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► to ID know if it's pretty much [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► everything you think that would be kind [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► of incredible if you could if you could [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► find a way to kick started and i will [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► contribute ten dollars and and the [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► beauty of Kickstarter's you don't [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► actually have to know how to do it or [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► answer actually do it you can just put [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► it up to understand i owe you ten [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► dollars that's it so so um i've been [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► i've been reading I've read some books [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► on the on the ipad and I I've read a lot [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► of books on Kindles and and the reason [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► is the the screen there's less glare [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► there's just something kind of nicer [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► about it feels a little more natural [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► less like there's light shining in your [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► eyes the whole time and I've read some [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► stuff on my iphone but mostly if I'm [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► trapped in a car or you know somewhere [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► and I don't have anything but my iphone [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► and I I just can't escape and I want to [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► read and liked my books are there [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► I got the new kindle paperwhite which is [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► it's not bad it's not great but it's not [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► bad and lights itself you don't need a [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► like like contraption although it does [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► make it feel a little more like I'm [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► reading an ipad at that point because [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the light is emanating from the device [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► it's not quite the same but it's close [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and then i have that i have an ipad mini [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► and it might be the closest i think that [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► Apple's come to make something that's a [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► suitable bookreader yeah it's because [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► it's so because it's so small and light [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► and you know i i've read some stuff on [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► the kindle app on it and it's not bad [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► it's it's it's it's the best it's better [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► than the big iPad because the big iPads [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► too heavy and it's better the iPod the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► iPhone which is just too small [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► yeah i just can't get into reading on a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► backlit display there's just something [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► about it that angers me for no apparent [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► reason and also I i do have a communal [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► long commute like a 15-minute commute [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► and I just feel like i am sticking out [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► if I am reading on like a glowing [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► display it just makes me self-conscious [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► and that someone's going to steal [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► whatever it is i am reading from yeah i [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► could just be me though don't I get a [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► book loan that our book paper look and [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► see what happens before I had the ipad [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► in my hand I was worried about what it [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► would be like to read on a backlit [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► screen but in practice it has not [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► bothered me i enjoy the reading on the [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► kindle experience more but I I'm not [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► unhappy reading on the ipad and if I if [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► I had to read on the ipad i could i read [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► a whole book on the Galaxy Nexus and it [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► wasn't awful bad i couldn't do what I [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► was its fine its it is light it's a good [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► size it's just had a kindle app on [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► android isn't isn't very good [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► the Google Play Books is better yeah I [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► was it was a google play book yeah [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► because I've never I wanted to see what [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► the whole google experience was like [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► because I've never typography on eBook [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► readers I mean especially on those you [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► android or iPad kind of readers it's a [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► big deal i mean if you do cut typography [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► well if you have good fonts if you [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► something amazon doesn't you doing [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► things like turn off justification [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► yeah oh you know it can make a big [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► difference i mean if if you've got a [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► nice [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► high-resolution screen good typography [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► it can be a good experience and if you [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► have like the ipad mini doesn't have a [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► great high res screen but it's got some [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► you know the amazon app and ibooks have [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► some good font choices and it looks but [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► the type looks good on the nexus 7 the [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► google play books app looks good and it [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► it's okay [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► in that scenario but you know just like [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► with the the e-ink readers [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► I you know I it could be better the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► typography could be better and it does [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► make a difference and looks books people [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► have that you know the publishers care [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► really bottom line is the publishers [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► care about what their books look like a [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► lot of publishers don't care what the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► books look like a lot of the e-book [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► vendors don't care what the books look [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► like and so you know even if they're [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► very convenient you're you're taking a [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► step down in terms of sort of the [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► experience the quality of it to get the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► convenience back [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► damn them well I think that we've we've [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► been here to tell the publisher is their [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► business [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► yeah right i'm sure they get up Chan [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► soft charge look charge less and do more [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► work on your product [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► yeah that'll go well or also stopped [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► buying candles actually like they don't [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► like dogs down never gonna happen Scott [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► now also with that really hurt them that [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► much i was gonna say the posters would [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► probably like that because the hands-on [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► as well so more papers backfire [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► alright let's let's let's shift gears [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► and talk about what we're reading this [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► is sort of a grab-bag sort what I like [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► to do whatever we're talking about books [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► is is what we've been reading and that's [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► good for the listeners to because we can [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► either steer them away from things they [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► shouldn't read or recommend things that [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► that are are cool that we're reading so [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► I'd like to ask the musical question [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► what are you reading and I'd like to [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► start with Lex since he seems so excited [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► about telling us with reading blacks [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► whatever i should say Lex by the way one [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► of the last paper books that i bought [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► most recently on amazon was the kid in [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► the crib by lex friedman because it [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► really needs to be seen in paper because [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► it's a parody of the cat in hat and you [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► need to see the illustrations that go [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► along with it [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► well I thank you for buying it and it i [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► was you know for a while did not have a [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► kindle edition although during this [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► podcast recording session i saw that now [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► the kindle edition is at [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► and that's that's how easy and [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► comfortable ex if you're welcome Lex [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► you're welcome thank you [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► the the two most recent books I read one [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► fiction one non-fiction was the 100 year [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► old man who climbed out the window and [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► disappeared which house it's a it was an [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► international publishing sensation [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► amazon told me so i had to get it it had [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► it sold more than 2 million copies and [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► it's basically it's a forest gump be in [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► style story in terms of a man who [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► somewhat unknowingly goes through life [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► affecting many many things for some [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► company is good at I haven't heard that [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► one before [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► it's it's translated from swedish I did [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► not read it in the original swedish for [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► their variety of reasons one because [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► that's not how the cable came into [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► because i don't speak Swedish but was [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► very good it's you know it's it's funny [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► and a little bit long [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► even though it's not so incredible I [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► feel a little bit long but it's it's a [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► very entertaining read and I enjoyed it [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► and then the other book that i just [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► finished yesterday i was sad and almost [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► crushed to be finishing it because of [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► how enjoyable read it was I want to make [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► sure you get the title right it was Penn [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► Jillette's new book every day is an [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► atheist holiday [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► what's it about what's it about well [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► Penn of course is is the taller louder [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► half of Penn & Teller more than half by [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► volume and he or word spoken right [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► he had a book called God know maybe a [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► year or so ago that was a sort of his [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► take on the atheism diatribe book series [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► that writers keep putting out the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► richard dawkins shown right here [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► acknowledging that his version wasn't [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► you know Dawkins or sam Harris ask but [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► rather silly or stupid but it was it was [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► a good read this one is the sequel here [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► every day these holidays even better the [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► the initial point is his argument is [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► that you know he focuses mostly on [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Christianity but saying you know if [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► you're if you're waiting to feel [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► mirthful and marry because it's [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► Christmas or Easter then you're missing [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► out because for me since i don't have [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► any specific calendar events to wait for [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► I can celebrate and enjoy life everyday [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► God that sounds insufferable I'm sorry [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► its well he doesn't have doesn't he [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► doesn't have gift-giving holidays every [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► day but actually it's very moving there [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► are some messages that are very powerful [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► and he's got an incredibly well written [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► essay about Martin Luther King related [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► to MLK Day and but it's it's just it's [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► very smart it's very funny it's [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► laugh-out-loud funny that's right i mean [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► i read a lot of funny writers because [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► that's something that I really enjoy but [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► usually when i'm reading a funny writer [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► i might smile or just enjoy it mentally [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► but there were actual laugh-out-loud [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► moments where i had a read passages to [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► my wife and it's but we're just funny [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► it wouldn't necessarily be worth [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► endorsing here but it's funny and it's [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► also i think very insightful very [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► profane I mean very profane terribly [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► profit don't read it but it's really [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► really really good and really [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► entertaining in a thought-provoking so [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► the 80s all anything is really more kind [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► of a motif that he uses the exact about [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► various subjects that are exactly right [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► he does yeah it's that the whole thing [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► is not saying here is different holidays [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► you can tell i can see my own holidays [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► haha its i mean it's it's really it's [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► it's good enough that i am considering [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► probably sometime in the next month or [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► two going back and reading and once more [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► because i really enjoyed the experience [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► that much and I I i mean i reread books [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► but i never read them that quickly likes [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► this book sounds like an excellent [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► holiday gift [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► yes for forty non believer in your life [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► for you know your average Tuesday talks [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► tougher and every day gift Penn Jillette [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► book giving day if you took the words [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► right out of my mouth dan exactly right [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► the new holidays never never too soon to [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► start a new holiday but yeah I I [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► wouldn't tell you is really good for [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► weren't dan yes [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► what are you reading well like I think I [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► guess you guys have both finish it but i [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► am still in the midst of reading and [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► Captain for patrols Alliance by lois [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► mcmaster bujold which i'm finding [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► delightful [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► yes we'll talk about in a future point [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► yes we will i can get especially cuz I'm [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► finished but but it's interesting [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► because Lex was talking about the you [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► know laughing out loud and i found [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► myself laughing out loud several times [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► your name which is also unusual for me i [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► will i will accept my favorite line from [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► the entire book which is unhand lady for [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► Petrille [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► which comes at a good point i really [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► like I think the line of the book is [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► what the hell Simon but alright so yeah [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► bring that of course i have been a huge [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► gulf and I've been reading her books for [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► 10 years now and and I always always [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► nice to get a chance to have a new book [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► by one of your favorite authors [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► I i did the counting and this is like [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► the 14th or 15th book in the series [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► depending on whether you throw-in [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► falling free anything about the house [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► and all that but yeah it's it shows the [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► power without stealing from the next [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► podcast it shows the power of having [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► familiar characters in a familiar [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► universe and that you can have a perhaps [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► even a thin kind of plot and it doesn't [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► really matter because there's this a [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► creative power of all the backstory that [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► you know you could never read it as a [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► new reader but there is some great power [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► and being will check in with characters [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► it's the same power that start [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► Star Trek and Star Wars tap into and and [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► marvel comics and DC comics where you [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► know there's this extra value of just [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► looking me Syrian right hand and saying [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► oh yeah I remember when he was born [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► right because yeah right you know in the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► first book he he was born and now he's [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► the main character in his own book grow [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► up so fast [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► yeah so there's a there's a there's [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► definitely a saga going there [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► yeah and is what I've enjoyed that quite [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► a bit right before that i read a book [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► called The Last Dragon Slayer which is [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► jasper fforde who we've also discussed [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► and may discuss on a future podcast yes [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► majors kind of aya fantasy book that [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► takes place in something that's very [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► much like England but isn't England and [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► that was fun [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► it is a fairly quick read i read that [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► one on my kindle he writes things that [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► aren't certain extent yes he's written [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► several things that offers it has a [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► whole series about nursery crimes [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► yes I read both of those that I think [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► there are only two because in the end it [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► did not do very well but it's not a [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► serious three is a serious well I was [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► honk or at least a trilogy i only see I [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► think I only see two on my shelf ecology [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► if they're really exciting i call the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► Thrilla g 00 [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► there was no third apparently it was a [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► dolla g.o take that jasper fforde does [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► just said I'm for my favorite he was [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► mentioned on our first podcast and India [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► me laugh and laugh because Scott spelled [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► his name and I thought I had it down [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► right and he said no no it's F okay got [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► f ok I didn't get it how r d I'm like [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► all right I got it [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► II know then it's a sorry believe it's [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► correctly pronounce Jasper 444 together [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► that's I'm much better then before that [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► I think i read the fourth if not [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► possibly final book in terry pratchett [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► series about his why a series which was [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► called I shall wear midnight which is [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► about a young girl who's a witch and [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► that was also very very good and I have [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► a tendency for some I had that sitting [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► on my shelf for a year or so i think it [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► came out in 2010-11 and I just hadn't [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► gone through right sort of stack of [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► books to get to it but I have a tendency [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► to leave books from authors i really [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► like because I know that someday there [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► will be no more books by those authors [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► and then I will always have a book that [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► I'm like oh wow I could read another [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► terry pratchett book [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► oh yeah i know that's incredible self [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► discipline because you're planning my [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► favorite authors jonathan tropper [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► whenever he has a new book out i just [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► read that day that comes out I can't [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► wait well I can see the thing is i [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► happen to be working with a lot of [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► people have like extensive backlogs so I [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► don't necessarily go back and reread [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► everything that they already wrote but I [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► i do tend to read almost everything that [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► they come out with I have to neil gaiman [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► zan died and i have actually the new i [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► bought the new michael chabon on the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► area bounded it came out and i haven't [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► read it and I feel terrible [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► yeah he's he's very disappointed in you [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► yes I know I apologize to michael [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► michael chabon right now I saw him speak [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► with David Mitchell and he mentioned [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► that he was disappointed in you Jason [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► that's good whoo-hoo which one David [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► Mitchell because you know both of the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► parents i read the cloud atlas but we [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► didn't like it enough so he was said it [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► was okay was fine i liked it but he [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► wasn't going fine Jason [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► all right you're right I'm I apologize [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► to all writers you should that's good [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► thinking I appreciate that forgiving [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► yeah not accepted any more Danner is [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► that a I was I was casting and I over my [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► shoulder and my bookshelf to see if I [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► can remember what the hell i read before [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► the sea because you're reading books [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► that are made of paperwork yeah I said [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► I've got my window open while sorted by [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► date I I jump back and forth I i read i [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► read the jasper fforde on my kindle [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► alright but the other ones i read in [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► hardcover like hardcovers really there's [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► something about it so happened on Tobias [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► miley cyrus that as a as a i love the [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► quality of the of the typography and [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► stuff like that but as a as a a commuter [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► I hated them because I'd be reading [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► these books and be completely engrossed [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► in there was no way I was going to look [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► at three pound hardcover on to onto the [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► bus nor if I go on vacation am I gonna [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► take that giant hardcover that I've [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► already read it [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► 600 pages oh it's just about occasional [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► at times get out sometimes get a [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► separate book to read on the action but [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► I i will say when we left this out in [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► our discussion of of of e-books vs paper [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► books but being not having any readers [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► during takeoff and landing on plane [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► rolls is what kills me on the kindle [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► it's like I can't I wanted that's like [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the one time I can't do anything else [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► it's like I want to have my book [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► first off that's complete crap ladies [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► and i was complete crap but they're not [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► going until they change the rules [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► actually I know they are talking about [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► before they were really popular i would [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► i would just keep my ereader on anyway [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► and everybody know taking life and they [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► didn't care then Lex crash seven planes [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► that way not be bad my fear has always [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► been with the kindle since it when it's [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► off its still display something on the [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► screen is that a stupid flight attendant [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► will see it and say sir you need to trim [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► that off its alright no no you need to [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► drop that it doesn't go any more often [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► this swim ashmac actually you you can [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► you can turn it off and if you buy my [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► book and find out screen all the way off [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► yeah i got sick of myself don't do that [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► and what are the the plus and minus of [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► the ereader for me also is the like [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► there's no cover so people can't see [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► what you're reading which can be good [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► and can be bad [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► as I it reminds me of when I was in high [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► school I commuted 45 minutes back and [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► forth and for some reason I decided [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► uphill uphill know it was in New York [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► was on the subway and there's no Hills [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► New York parents that is it possible and [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► i was reading this giant 1100 page [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► biography of Adolf Hitler called Adolf [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► Hitler on a giant print it says Adolf [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► Hitler and there's a giant swastika on [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► the cover and it never occurred to be [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► that perhaps this is not the best book [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► yeah just riding through the Hasidic [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► neighborhood do you know and a and [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► somewhat did there was a problem on the [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► train and we all had to get off and it [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► was a lovely day and i'm standing on the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► platform [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► hey it's a good guarantee Hitler book [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► reading this three-pound Adolf Hitler [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► book with a giant swastika on it and [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► someone came up to be and they were like [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► why are you reading a book about it out [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► of Hitler and it was a very awkward [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► conversation did you say like it makes [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► it really easy for me to hail a cab [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► haha no idea what I was not know you did [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► then they would have killed me yet he [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► didn't so I'm well i was gonna say i had [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► the same problem except my books had [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► dragons on different circuits were sort [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► of abuse that you get a greater know is [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► different or abuse you get from your [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► high school high school classmates when [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► you carried constantly carry around [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► either books that have spaceships or [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► jacket it's true [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► wow wow don't because I just got this [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► turned into therapies are you get my [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► casting his therapy actually there's a [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► whole trend about how people are reading [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► things let this whole 50 shades of grey [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► thing right sure can [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► can read all sorts of things they would [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► have been embarrassed to read before but [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► now nobody can see what they're reading [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► because it's just text on an eerie i [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► find that sad because it gets rid of [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► that old trick where you take the thief [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► auntie dust cover and put it around the [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► crappy but it's i wish i had known about [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► that trick when I was in high school now [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► then you just took your comic book and [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► you put it inside your textbook i just [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► put the Adolf Hitler cover other books [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► it didn't work out i will say before [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► amazon started putting ads on the kindle [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► when you turn them off [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► I always thought it was stupid that they [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► didn't put the cover [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► right there on the lockscreen diagram of [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► whatever book you are currently reading [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► it seems like that would make that will [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► tell you how to do that now it by a kobo [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► reader because they do a real book [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► nobody does that kobo does do that [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that's smart [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► Scott what are you reading I'm reading a [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► book called the Islanders by Christopher [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► priest who wrote the prestige about [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► hockey [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► it is not about hockey it is about it a [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► it's basically a travel guide to an [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► imaginary archipelago in this giant [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► world and it's set unreliable narrator [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► and it's a very interesting book i would [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► recommend I'm not done with it so i [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► won't recommend it but it's gonna kind [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► of Gulliver's Travels ask is that like [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► Forrest Gump Ian exactly it'sit's swifty [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► and i think is what they actually saw [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► haha that's way better [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► yeah I've been Gulliver's Travels ask ya [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► got wins and losses [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► what's now again before that i read a [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► book called three parts dead by Max [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► Gladstone which I thought was a [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► fantastic book it's a kind of an over [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► your been family about that on twitter [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► and i favorited your tweets whoa [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► Scott said it was great i was great i [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► like it because it was set in this world [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► where there is a gods are real but they [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► had a big war and killed a bunch of they [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► killed each other except with a few [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► survived and people have figured out how [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► to use the same magic that God's use and [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► they uh it involves this magic and a [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► chase and it's kind of a courtroom drama [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► as well it's a very strange book but [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► it's a lot of fun it's a lot of [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► different genres and before that i was [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► reading the the captain for book to like [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► I can never have enough that his name or [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► patrol for partial always yeah which I [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► thought was good no it was thin and yet [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► i loved it [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► I i was around it was a lot of fun I [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► just thought maybe ivan is not a lead [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► yeah but we'll save that for the next [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► part is alright and they're a bunch of [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► other books i read but nobody wants to [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► hear all of these so i won't make sure [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► Jason what are you reading thank you Lex [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► I read a book called Osama which one the [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► world fantasy award which is by writer [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► named Bobby teat heart I'd har tid har [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► and it's a strange strange book about a [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► it's sort of a Norrish detective who a [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► very in noticeably he's an orange [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► detective and he is in i want to say [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► laos and he a woman you know of course a [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► woman comes to his office and said I [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► need you to find this guy and it's a guy [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► named Mike long shot [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► who is the author of these pulp novels [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► these paperbacks that are about an [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► alternate universe that is our universe [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► and their the Osama bin Laden series and [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► its books the detail the terrorist [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► attacks of al-qaeda but they're in this [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► world they're fictional and so he goes [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► on a quest to kind of find the [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► disreputable publisher of these [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► hard-boiled novels about Osama bin Laden [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► and and then tries from there to trace [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► it back to the post office box with the [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► writer is he ends up at Osama bin Laden [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► convention where fans of the series have [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► gathered to come up with all sorts of [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► concepts and panels about this weird [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► world that is has diverged from their [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► own which is our world and he ends up in [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► a Afghanistan at one point anyway it's [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► it's it was it was very strange and I'm [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► not sure whether I like to know that it [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► was kinda moving in the end and it spent [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► it makes you sort of think a lot about [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► its using all these genre conventions to [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► sort of talk about about terrorism and [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► how terrorism is portrayed and had kind [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► of strangely comparing it to the kind of [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► things you'd see in kind of Pulp Fiction [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► weird book very weird one but one the [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► world fantasy award / not just george RR [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► martin but of course Joe Waltons among [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► others which we love so much so I [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► thought I should read it [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► osama is the name of it and yeah I don't [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► know whether I'd entirely recommended or [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► not it's interesting it's weird it's [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► definitely not sci-fi it is [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► it is a kind of dreamy and strange and [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► but interesting so who'd you see the [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► outdoors la vie [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► trt idha are parts of it are our i mean [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► the the bit where he goes to the Osama [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► bin Laden convention is crazy it's it's [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► it's crazy and it's and if you like nor [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► ish stuff like dan might like it i think [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► because I know Dan kind of like that's [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► diving I do like it and it is very [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► definitely that I mean he's a hard man [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► detective and he's he you know he's kind [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► of drinking and smoking a lot and [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► meeting girls and bars and asking him [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► for information and it is all just like [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► my life it's exactly like your life so [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► anyway that Osama interesting minds me [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► of a book uh called the mirage by met [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► rough in which he posits an alternate [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► reality where Christian fundamentalist [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► higher hijack jetliners and crashed them [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► into right right Tigris and Euphrates [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► World Trade Towers in the bag right [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► because they were in a reverse world [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► where the where the Americans are all [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► kind of up in arms and and invaded [TS]