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the incomparable number 121 december
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twenty well we're back on the
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incomparable podcast I'm Jason smell and
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we're here in what we like to call flash
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podcast which means i don't edit it we
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just posted after we talked for a little
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bit and we're doing that because it's
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Christmas and by tradition we're here
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after watching the now traditional
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doctor who christmas special joining me
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to do a brief rundown on our thoughts
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about Christmas with the doctor 2012
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edition the snowmen is the name of the
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episode joining me are Dan Morgan hi Dan
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Merry Christmas god bless us everyone
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and serenity Caldwell merry christmas
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day since there's no where you are
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there's lots of now there's going to be
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more snow
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hopefully no scary snow eating monster
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veteran hopefully we'll we'll get this
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all recorded before you're inundated by
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snow but that's very festive
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and Scott McNulty is also here he's
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coming to us live from his home
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yes yes yeah how's it going Scott is
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going well Merry Christmas Merry to all
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and to all a good night
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but that's not the end not quite but not
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quite yet so the snowmen what did what
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did everybody think I thought this was
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interesting in that it was it was seems
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it seems to be trying to do something
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very different we had I think that since
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maybe the first christmas special with
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david tennant where would the the the
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Christmas invasion where they had to
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introduce a new doctor since then we've
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had a lot of Christmas specials i guess
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and the one where david tennant ends up
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ultimately regenerating all the others
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generally have just been kind of telling
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a christmas story and that didn't this
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felt like the whole point of this
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episode was to kick off this sort of new
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storyline and new era with the with a
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new companion so it felt really
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different from most of the Christmas
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specials that they've done up to now
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yes yeah there's a lot of stuff too I
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thought that was a good thing without
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but without what I liked was that they
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introduced a lot of new stuff without
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breaking too much I mean with references
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to stuff that had already gone by so it
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was not you know doctor who can never be
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in a vacuum he's got so much history so
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after the last season which seems like
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it's always silly when you have a show
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and it feels like oh really moment these
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things happen and very soon we forget
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about those moments those things because
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that is the nature of how television
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works whereas you know in this show it
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was you know predicated on the fact that
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terrible things that happened and so we
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don't simply white wash them or sweep
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them under the rug
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you know we acknowledge them yeah it's a
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it's a it's a new era and uh and uh
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interesting he said something about more
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than a thousand years of saving the
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universe which usually he he doesn't
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pick his age at four digits so the
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impression that you get is that he's
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been kinda hoping for a while and Madame
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vastra and Strax and Jenny have been
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complaining that he doesn't you know
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want to engage in in the world and do
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what we know him to do because he sad
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because what happened with Amy and I
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guess Rory but Amy right so uh so so
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they have to like get him to snap out of
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it then we already established him as
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over a thousand years old when he does
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the thing in utah yeah fakes his death
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I guess they certainly won't i'm like
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yeah I guess that's why I I can't even I
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can't even get through one more time
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yeah it's it's hard but uh but anyway
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he's been moping them for a long time
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when we meet him and they're trying to
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get them to snap out of it and he has
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actually you know before the credits
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even start he has his traditional meat
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cute with a new companion and the
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episode you know tries to basically have
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the doctor push her away so so trying to
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go against our expectation knowing that
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this is the new companion and Steven
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Moffat keeps doing that with this
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character which is you know that's what
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he tends to do is try to try to go
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against against audience expectations a
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little bit and so that was kind of fun
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to see him just insisted that he wasn't
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going to get drawn into this this little
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dance that's it's almost like a
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courtship that he's done so many times
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before and he's just not going to do it
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but of course inevitably does show and
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it's moreover like a courtship than any
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previous companion to date I
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I think I mean he's definitely much more
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forward with a with our new Clara that
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he is with even with Amy its I mean they
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they get to share Christmas kiss which
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is impressive and she really does she
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matches him with it for what for what
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joke for joke without feeling like a
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copy of Amy she has are a very distinct
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personality the new companion which i'm
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rather delighted about a hand I think
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it's hilarious her introduction is great
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because she's already very he's very
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inquisitive and very curious and I love
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the moment where the doctors like oh no
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no you're you're not going to follow me
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well ok if you're going to follow me
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well then I'm going to have to go and
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wipe your memory and comedy of errors in
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serious memory worm
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oh man i did enjoy I did enjoy Strax I
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thought he was an excellent addition to
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this episode when they killed him and
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and so to see him back it's like wait a
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second didn't he die and then yeah well
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she brought it back she does that
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sometimes
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yeah but aren't they also isn't aren't
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they all clones to the sometimes or yeah
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but i think this is the implication is
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that this is just the same Strax and the
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bat ambassador didn't wanna didn't want
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to have them stay dead so she found a
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way to revive him but he was hilarious
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i'm right i mean I is this episode was
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much funnier than then I expected given
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the the promos which were all like it's
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scary their killer snowman but now it
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was funny and it and you know and light
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and meeting a new companion and stuff
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like that
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I mean there's only one sold so many
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eating each other only one
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well not to mention you know there was I
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guess depending how you look at it at
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least once ads well that's getting ahead
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of ourselves but I was going to say I
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think after after the you know second
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half of the most recent season which I
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think we all kind of pan for the most
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part yeah he's also pointing this seemed
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much more like kind of what I you know
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what I love from Steven Moffat right and
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what I love about Doctor Who you know
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this is the sea much to hit the tone a
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lot better i think they had built up so
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much heaviness and so much import with
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all of the events of the amy and rory
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seasons there was just sort of course
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collapsing under its own weight whereas
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the ability to start fresh with a
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especially with sort of a a hero
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archetype the reluctant hero archetype
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you know I think it plays very well and
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I think it works really well and I felt
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like you know maybe all the other
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seasons were just kind of building to
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this point it seems like more fucking
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well you know it reminds me a lot of the
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end of the david tennant years in the
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beginning of the mat smith years where
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you had you know David Tennant's last
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couple of big things were these awful
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awful but like very heart-rending very
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serious big things are happening
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miniseries is and then when they brought
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in one Moffat brought the series back to
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Steven Moffat was like alright the
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doctor he can be fun again he can wear
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bow ties and bowties are cool and I felt
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like a reset without necessarily
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resetting any of the last couple years
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get that whole pond story arc being out
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of the way it was right it way down that
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way the whole story down to the old
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serious things are coming and we we you
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know when we and we talked about that I
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overall I think I enjoy the special but
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it did for some reason just I couldn't
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hold my attention I kept drifting away
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from it and looking at other things when
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usually the Christmas special
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oh and most episodes of Doctor Who
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really keep my attention I don't know
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what it was
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perhaps because i found the snow
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monsters mostly ridiculous and I was
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puzzled as to why the new companion was
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so intent on following doc the doctor
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when they met the first time it didn't
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make much sense to me
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arias at eight yeah or there's a story
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yeah well that and then so at the end
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you kind of made sense so that you can
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say that you know maybe the the
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universe's is keeps making them come in
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contact again and again so that you can
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explain way that with typical Doctor Who
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waving of hands I suppose
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ah but i didn't know that until the end
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so I was just kind of hide until the end
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and I thought the end brought it
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together nicely so that was good but I
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thought there are a lot of really nice
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scenes including i really enjoyed the
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the one-word answer scene with Natalie
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astra which was where
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and yeah be and especially be one what's
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the one word that is going to convince
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him to come to come help you pawned palm
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we were watching that with with some
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friends and having them slowly work over
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there in their heads like what what's
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working what's so we're going to be
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children Christmas pond
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yeah that was a nice scene i really
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liked the scene with the umbrella where
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she has to suss out what the plan is
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and a little bit of my little the role
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reversal leading up to that with the
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whole now I do the hand grabbing that's
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my job that's always my job
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yeah I'm and we get the subtle reveal
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that Clara is perhaps not just Clara
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with you know doesn't have a kitchen
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well I kind of fancy making soufflés
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yes and of course salt
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yeah we should mention on the flash cast
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that the actress who plays Clara is also
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the actress who plays cosmic Oswald in a
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sort of phenolics yes first episode back
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of the second half of the season maybe
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the best episode of that group but it's
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not that but yeah she did and and and
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now she's back and i think you said that
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they had a subtle thing they did have a
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subtle thing and then later they have
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the not subtle thing you see the subtle
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thing which was a little itÃs for kids
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and people don't remember what happened
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six months ago but really was like flat
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wait I remember from before
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flashback clip from episode this is like
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repeat her dialogue repeater dialogue
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again repeat her dialogue repeater
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dialogue again
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got it check did what do you say you
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weren't listening were you saying she
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might be the same person as when she was
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no that's impossible they keep showing
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the tombstone I guess u GI assume Jason
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caught the joke on the tombstone yeah
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her birthday is the date that doctor who
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first aired I'm not the year but the
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date it's november what 23rd so yeah
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yep I did not catch that although when i
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was reading and the AV club's review of
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the the snowmen episode did anybody else
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catch the fact that I be great
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intelligence is a second doctor
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villain so so this is essentially a
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prequel to the Yeti episodes of the
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Patrick Troughton area and that that's
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something that if you don't know what
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it's just sort of lays there but it be
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extra fan services him saying well it
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seems into the ground and you told about
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the London Underground being a good
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place and they need to find and that
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they're basically setting up then this
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great intelligence does come back in
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those second doctor episodes from the
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late sixties also the great intelligence
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voiced by ian mckellen interesting ball
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isn't that nice and also an eyesore
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magneto yeah Richard grant as the
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villain
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yeah Richard ground who i believe did he
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not play doctor version of the doctor
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yes Richard grant was the BBC website
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apparently decided at some point the
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doctor who in about 2,000 for the doctor
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who was never gonna come back so they
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cast Richard grant is the doctor and
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what was going to be a series of
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web-like flash animation audio plays of
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Doctor Who and then they they posted one
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and and somebody tapped somebody on the
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shoulder and said actually we craft cast
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christopher eccleston and it's coming
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back like crap so he basically the
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alternate 9th doctor that never was
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he also appeared in Doctor Who in the
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curse of fatal that the spoof yes as a
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drunk on New Jersey apparently according
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to Wikipedia as the quite handsome
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notnot you grant that's a neutral with
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people but not Jim Broadbent he was
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overall doctors in there and crucified
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at well I i'm a fan of Richard grant
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since he appeared in one of my favorite
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awful movies Hudson Hawk oh please you
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place a villain and Hudson Hawk and
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another villainous turn here of course
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is much much older
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yes yes but that happens and i did like
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when he his character meets Madame
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vastra whatever name is and so he eludes
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the fact that sherlock holmes is based
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on her and he says you know people would
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be shocked to find out that sherlock
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holmes is based on and then of course
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you know she's a lizard alien so you
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think he's going to say alien but in
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fact he says woman and i found that
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quite a hundred Victorian values and
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then an illusion towards her
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relationship with her with her assistant
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tell she is married married that's an
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illusion don't think I scandalous about
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that that was a funny line the what is
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wrong with Victorian values little but
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was a lot of smart funny stuff fun to
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have it be set in the past but with a
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crazy syfy gang I had that feel the show
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just do it that often but but with the
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doctor and Clara and abstracts and
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Madame vastra and Jenny that you have
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this you know it's this ensemble it's
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the gang and it's the Victorian Doctor
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Who gang and they saw the crimes and I i
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love that I mean I whenever there's I
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mean obviously I think Steven Moffat
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loved it because he got this group
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together for a good man goes to war and
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said that was great let's do that again
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we kill streaks will bring him back just
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come on and you know it was just a lot
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of not only funny but it's fun to see
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that oddball collection of characters
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and placing them in the past like that
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where there's no you know understanding
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of aliens and things like that hilarious
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i thought that was a really really funny
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thing for them to do
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why shouldn't the doctor travel alone
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because it's much more fun to watch him
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interact with other people
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true i think that the the Victorian gang
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should get their own spin-off series
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I wonder actually about that I i'm james
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got hers it's not terribly out of the
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ordinary
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yeah oh if we should talk about sherlock
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holmes the doctor the doctor sherlock
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holmes an episode written by the
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executive producer of Sherlock except
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that Sherlock Holmes is a fictional
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detective in this world but he does his
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you know you have a do you have a dog
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named Colin no I thought not who I love
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his incredibly out we just leave that
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with some fish
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ok fine the fish that did not bark oh
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god I i just i love how outrageous he is
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at the top of that was like use i'm
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going to portray this fictional
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character in your world as bombastic Lee
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as possible and then when i get down to
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the deductions that I'm actually good
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about you know I'm going to be right on
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the money all the time
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interesting um performance by matt smith
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I mean he is trying to show that he that
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he's progressed the doctor has
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progressed
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little bit and he's familiar but at the
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same time I'm going to change his
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wardrobe and he's a little more
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reluctant and you know it was it was it
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was nice to see him again after not
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seeing him for a little while since the
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last episode and but i did get the sense
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that they totally it was it was
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different no wardrobe helps a lot and
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he's got that hat and he's got this coat
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and you know the doctor seems to change
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clothes so infrequently he's lived a
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thousand years and he's had about 12
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outfits right so yeah but I thought that
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the significance of that was that you
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know he had had assimilated to a certain
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extent you have been there a long time
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so he had he lost his particular garb
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instead sort of blended in which he
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doesn't do very well living on his cloud
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oh my gosh I inspiral castle on a cloud
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yeah we do have to i think we do have to
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give a shout-out to I think what was the
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in my opinion perhaps the best line of
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the episode which was Clara one first
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confronted with that artists and walks
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around it
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it's snowing outside smaller on the
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outside and they're heard that once or
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twice yeah yeah well then the the TARDIS
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has a new interior design
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oh yeah jack white like it's very rare
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very reminiscent of the law of the older
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doctors
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yeah reminds me of the of the white that
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you know the white console room from the
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from the eighties especially but you
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know you just predate that new opening
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credit sequence that reminded me of some
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of the other doctors seeking Jesse
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translucent doctor who faces back
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yeah you know although it was kind of
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you know it's it's it's more subtle
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because he's like his faces in the
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nebula basically we've learned a lot
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about special effects in last 30 years
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and astronomy but i but yes it's a it
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was a there's definitely some callbacks
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I get the feeling that we are just about
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to plunge into a year of massive Doctor
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Who nostalgia just because it is the
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50th anniversary year and so and you
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know the people running the show are
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well aware of the show's history and so
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I think you know you're going to see
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things like the like the great
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intelligence and and references to the
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second doctor and and things like the
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title sequence being
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much more like the old style title
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sequences right down to the the doctors
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face appearing in it i think i have to
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say you know usually Clara I i really am
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impressed that they managed to find it
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and actress who i think has as much
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chemistry with matt smith as as I
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already forgot my name
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that's awful any pond where ya goin yeah
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Karen Gillan has except very and yet
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it's like me different yeah sure there's
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much shorter yes for one thing and was
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red hair but I you know the fact that
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the the they do have a very different
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relationship is totally feels very
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different from his relationship with a
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museum a bit more sarcastic a bit more
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cynical whereas I think Clara has a
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little bit more almost like wide almost
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naivete and I think it's but it's they
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still have an excellent excellence you
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reportate going on there well it was
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spectrum of Steven Moffat women
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character she's more on the river song
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and I think in a sense that you know Amy
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you know you it was the childhood friend
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of Amy but whereas with Clara I don't
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know she just seems to be in a really
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snarky and and smart and competent and I
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don't know it's a very different kind of
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feel than the Amy relationship you're
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absolutely right about that but I felt
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that in an asylum of the daleks to that
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she's got this
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she's got lots of comebacks and she's
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really she's you know she's quick with a
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with a rejoinder and doesn't take
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seriously our key right like that amy
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was always a snarky and she's more
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earnest but almost more she's trying out
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don't think the doctors you ma'am
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yeah exactly yeah I I like I mean amy
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was always running away whereas Clara
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feel like I was running to adventure and
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he's just like let's let's run away
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let's go you know not only from the
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peasantry yeah and Clara being all right
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forward ho let's go into the great
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unknown and find out what's out there
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and fix fix things I it's a good note
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for the doctor to go back adventuring
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out on especially a doctor that's been
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hurt and trying to run away when he
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walks out on her
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no and she follows him around the corner
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and then he takes off and she runs and
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jumps on the carriage right so she you
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know she she is pursuing him in a you
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know who knows what the overarching
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story is going to be because she does
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die in this episode just she ties in
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asylum of the daleks I'd say that was a
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spoiler but I mean clearly I wasn't
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actually surprised that she died because
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we've seen her die before and like all
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right this is gonna be it's already a
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weird situation that we've seen her once
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so why not kill her again and then you
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really ask yourself what it what is
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going on here is she coming from cell
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phone as of the Rory Williams syndrome
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yeah really
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she's really dying and then just you
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know reappearing so she's obviously not
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what she seems whether she knows that or
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not and that's that's interesting that
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you know it could be a good story arc ER
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could be a bad morning and I think that
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Reds to runs point it makes a really
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good job of giving him something to go
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because it's the end episode we use off
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with him going off in search of her and
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right you know that that gives him
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something
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well English which he hasn't had for a
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while and I'm seeing her at the
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yeah what yeah yeah yeahs was only does
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sorry dr. you'll be wondering for a very
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long time so I i speculated with dan
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psyche well maybe they're going to do
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almost a different main of the river
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song story work he just keeps on meeting
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different people and trying to solve the
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mystery of that it looks like instead
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they've done a future version of past
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version and they're going to go with e
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the present version of Clara bright who
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knows how long you'll have with her
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brands I mean it's still I think it
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could be a very compelling mystery if
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Steven Moffat can hold off on to the
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reins and not you know let it get out of
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control your diet anytime and then we'll
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just bring her back the next week
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get the other black yeah maybe she'll
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die every week oh how did she die in
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glory glory so they need a new dad
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of the week yeah maybe there's some
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added yeah it's it's funny it's weird I
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mean obviously this is like I said
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Steven Moffat is all about trying to go
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against fan expectations your
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expectations and and so with this it's a
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you know he's trying to create a
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companion story that you haven't seen
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before which is every time you meet her
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she dies so what's the deal with that
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she keeps coming back and presumably
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tied in in some way to the 50th
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anniversary story because we're you know
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they're counting down to it now but
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it'll be interesting to see you know it
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i like their chemistry i think it's a I
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think it's fun so hopefully was so sad
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when she died will never see her again
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except shoes all over the trailer so we
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will check for it thanks for that
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yeah who uh what other thoughts any
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other thoughts you like it like it
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generally i mean i-i thought it was so
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surprised by the tone but but i did you
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know i did find it fun and I was kind of
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glad that it was more fun sitting with
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my kids I was glad that it was more fun
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and less scary because the Snowman looks
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yeah i mean i will with Gary but yeah I
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was glad that there weren't that many
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gods but no that was me i was just
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saying the teeth the teeth are scary but
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he seemed very scary
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yeah I really like the tone of the
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episode I mean critter Christmas
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specials are by and large I feel a
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little bit geared to be family-friendly
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your users
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yeah I mean it's Christmas Day no one
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wants to see lots of sadness Christmas
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Day and the fact that they were able to
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kill Clara and still make it fairly
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light hearted up so don't be like yeah
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they pissed you know she still around
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kids don't get don't actually caused all
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of your snow to melt outside big salty
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tears its oh ok
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they managed to create a nice compact
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alarcon sure they're like little bits
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and pieces that felt a little rushed by
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actually I feel like this was a lot
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better story then Steven Moffat stoled
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in awhile and manage again he managed to
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keep the reins on it and he told of
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relatively nice compact story that had a
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beginning a middle and an end and II
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villa and didn't was was not completely
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out of comprehension but I didn't
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some-some Doctor Who stories and even
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some christmas specials for Doctor Who I
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go into it at the end of the episode of
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scratching my head unlike that is
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completely unbelievable and I don't
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understand and I mean yes you can get
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away with a little bit of built one in
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paw prints ability but I i generally
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want to more or less understand what
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villain is doing what they're doing and
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so the the doctor who do i mean the the
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villain in this story is not entirely
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two-dimensional he has a little a little
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bit of character coloring again very
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very screw jacks canary reminiscent of
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villains past for Christmas settings on
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sadly he did not get to be ready and he
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gets to die
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IC ask but you know not everybody can
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have getting its memory worm and then
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possessed and then is dead
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alright that having a pretty today Merry
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Christmas
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richard maybe you should have been
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playing with those kids
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yeah yeah he was he was associate path
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from the beginning he didn't want to
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play with anybody just wanted to sit
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there and play with the snowman and not
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talk to any other kids and his parents
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are like boy Johnny he's some you go
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play with the kids know well i may go
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back inside it's cold out here i'll talk
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to you about your little imaginary
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snowman friend we tried our best
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sure nothing bad will happen 15 years I
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car that has even collecting little bit
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of snow and talking to the giant snow
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globe for 50 years apparently well well
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I know my wife would appreciate the use
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of jars in the episode so that's a plus
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yes evil yours evil thinking snow
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crystals in jars except array
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yeah I guess he's always talking about
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where I got you know i'm not sure how
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coherent the snow plot e is this pretty
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not coherent have to think about how I i
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think my feeling about it is that it it
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was clearly not the point and not that
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important and so I didn't start to apply
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a lot of logic to it because it really
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seemed to be beside the point that like
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you know suffice it to say there's some
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threats and its benefits
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Ludi but you know that when when it all
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turns to rain and solves everything it's
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like well people nearby the globe were
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sad it's like really that will you can
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you just need a family to cry on
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Christmas Eve and one thing is
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everything's fine all evil snowmen go
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away except for the family because
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they're very sad i mean i think it was
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the ending was definitely a little bit
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of a deus ex machina up but that said
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the plot itself made a fair amount of
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sense to me where it's even you have
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antisocial boy who basically embodies
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this relatively lifeless parasite will
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fit we will malicious intent and oh I
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want to be alone because alone is the
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best and everybody sucks i'm going to
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create an entire snowmen army of
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children who think that like I mean it
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silly and it's outrageous
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it feels it feels very doctor who and it
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also feel very real and very Christmasy
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at the same pot if I think about how
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many Christmas stories we've heard about
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you know owners and outcasts and people
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who don't believe in the goodness of
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others and living snowman to and let me
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throw my frosty usually doesn't have
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those of scary teeth but you know really
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good that's actually got the part about
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where fell apart for me is the than the
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old the ice nanny who emerges and then
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and then attacks them look blue
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yeah you know I guess you know I don't
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know that seemed weird because I I was
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hoping that they were headed for a you
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know she's important she's gonna rise
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and she's that she's I expected her to
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be the the the brains of the outfit
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right like suddenly that all the
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intelligence from the snow globe is now
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in the ice lady and she's really smart
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and scary and they have to out with her
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and and melt her in some way right in
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order to win instead she just sort of
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has a catchphrase that you know she
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repeats over and over again which island
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pines and you know Steven Moffat does
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that with villains right they repeat
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catchphrases over and over again and and
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uh and so we get that here and she's in
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a force field for a while and then she's
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in a cloud trapped for a while and then
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she shockingly you know pulse Clara off
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the cloud but shatters into a million
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pieces doesn't seem very smart and then
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the doctor like sweeps her up with the
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TARDIS so that they can't use the pieces
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i don't know that part that's where
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that's what actually where it came apart
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for me where I was really hoping you
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know there was such a menace when she
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was in the in the ice behind the house
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that this once this thing got out watch
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out then and then really you didn't need
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to i think what I think we were the
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doctor who like in so many other cases
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you know villains and scary things are
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much better when left to the imagination
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and then turned into a concrete sort of
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right now I would have rather had the
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had the ice nanny you know not get not
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come out and be like oh jeez the really
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bad thing is about to come out and then
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stop it but once it's revealed it's like
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yeah it's a it's mary poppins covered in
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yay they see well
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is it also birthday blue scarab and
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we've road-tripped yeah umbrella which I
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thought was a nice nice not Americans I
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really thought that the appearance of
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the Ice Man II diluted the wonderful
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moment that Clara as with her charges
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when she's telling them about the doctor
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and this man was in a cast for MacLeod I
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it that such a poignant moment and
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really describes a lot about the doctor
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and I feel like all right we're going to
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start telling the story
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yeah I have bad dreams while he's on
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vacation right now but he's kind of got
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to save us and then instead of a triumph
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of Doctor Who woman we get a scary I
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okay yeah very strange and an
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unfortunate that I don't know what you
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have to do I mean obviously I think they
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need to advance the story along and that
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was the most important part but yeah it
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was it was then that fell short for me I
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mean I didn't like I didn't mind the
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snowglobe stuff and and in fact the
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fairytale aspect of the the whole of the
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family is crying thing was it was fine
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it was a deus ex machina but oh ok but
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the ice and he just started didn't work
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it felt great it seemed like they felt
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like they need to spend our special
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effects budget
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yeah yeah I guess although I'm didn't
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have that much because she didn't look
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that great either i did I were missing
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something
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I didn't it was a big but I guess kids
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might be terrified by annie that's made
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out of Miami nanny that's been
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reanimated out of a block of ice but you
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know who cool among us can relate to
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that we should talk about the the
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trailer at the end people see the
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trailer at the end
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yes yes yes so glimpses lots of stuff in
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there and that i thought was interesting
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there some ghoulish kind of monsters
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they're there are redesigned Cyberman in
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there which is from neil gaiman episode
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which is coming up
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well there's a submarine
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summary dan I think you like I don't
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know what I do like submarines i'm a fan
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whatever the hell you're holding a gun
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her for one or two episodes and then we
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you've picked up who is this girl right
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it's clear that cycle of the season or
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success with his story arcs like this
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acts like this but if they keep if they
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tell interesting stories and then they
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have this going on in the background as
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to who this person is and and and why
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she's there that that could be
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interesting you know the leading up
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presumably to a season finale that has
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shocking revelations and you know we've
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stories that they're telling in this
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last this last half of this the set of
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what a season is with Doctor Who because
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this year the Christmas specials in the
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middle and they're doing the anniversary
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of the fall and nobody knows what form
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that's going to take so I don't know
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there's whatever 55 more episode 6 more
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episodes to come so we'll see
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any other thoughts about Christmas and
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and Doctor Who I am I'm actually you
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know feeling after again after feeling
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kind of burned by the this season in
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general i'm feeling cautiously
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optimistic that there might be some good
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stuff ahead
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yeah i don't know i like i like the tone
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of this episode of probably vector you
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know watching Doctor Who because it was
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fun and outrageous and you know the
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doctor is a larger-than-life hero and so
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I kind of like the idea of a fresh start
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with the new companion and some new
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mysteries new friends all that good
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stuff so I'm looking forward to it
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yeah good to be out from the crushing
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kind of end of the pond story i mean i
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love you i love you mean worried where
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it started it just it got it got too
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much too fast i felt like his ponderous
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haha haha oh that's my job there's not
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its parts
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oh I thought you were going to say that
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the pond has frozen over
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nah I don't get that well it was in the
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episode there was a nice nanny and all
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right it's got there were detectives in
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this episode this is right up your alley
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and vintage era was I do like Victorian
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detectives yeah I'm overall it was a fun
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episode you know I just a blizzard lady
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exhibition guitar and lizards ladies
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intern but ladies that those are good
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yeah and I think I i like them i had
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to involve us to like an overarching
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story arc that will be a little more
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interesting than the kind of the one off
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like random episodes that we've been
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getting so robot cowboy sorry cyborg
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yeah yeah exactly so I I that's the way
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I think doctor who does that
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best that having these kind of grand
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overarching things and I think that's
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back around how about you
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I I think I mean I'm from what I've been
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saying on the podcast i would rather
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like watching it I thought it was a good
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christmas special i'm curious to see
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what they will do with Clara and I i
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like the idea that oh it's someone who
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is sort of stuck in time but not in the
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way that river song is traveling and
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stuck in time I love the idea of
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introducing a new fold and a new
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character because this much as I love
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Alex Kingston and I love much as I love
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river song i think we there that needs
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to take a back step especially because
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the ponds are gone so hopefully you know
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it's it's nice to have something new
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that we don't know all the mysteries to
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that isn't just another the doctor is
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dangerous and needs to be put down i
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will I i await the rest of the season
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with high hopes and in my curiosity
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having a new story is good right i mean
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david tennant did a year with billie
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piper and then you got to have the year
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with with with free magma and then the
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the you know and then after that got to
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have the wonderful year with a doctor
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Donna right and that Smith way he's been
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lashed for better or worse to Amy bond
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for two years about two-and-a-half years
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right so it's time it's time for new
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stories for him I think it's as much as
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I like the like worried and Amy it's
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time for new stories and it has a chance
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to to let Matt Smith's whole kind of
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storyline progress and be different and
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interesting and see him without
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interacting with other people and I
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think that's really good i think that's
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I think there's potential there i mean
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we may all be suckers right and be like
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oh yeah sign me up and I'm more excited
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about it but fact is they were
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struggling to produce a good episode and
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it's fall so it's good to see one that
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was at least fun and light and not
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clouded with the whole story arc of a
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mean we're leaving for once
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yes all right okay well i think i think
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we're going to close up the flash
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podcast and mail it over the internet
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200 of these podcast work again i don't
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know i press the button here it comes
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out there so i hope everybody out there
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had a good holiday and enjoyed doctor
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who and enjoyed listen to us talk about
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a little bit and so I would like to
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thank my companions for christmas night
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every year for the last couple years dad
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thank you for sharing some of your
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christmas with the with the
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uncomfortable
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thanks for having me dr. Snell huh
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that's my father I am merely I merely
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hosts no awkward and Scott melting
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thank you for being here i'm sorry that
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your your euro semi alone
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hello again for christmas i hope we
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warmed your heart and your hearth
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metaphorically i was i'm not alone there
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like five snowmen behind me i'm sure
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that's fine
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don't turn around don't think about the
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melt things got that's record or cry
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here I exactly your tears when we hang
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up we shouldn't be adventures in a new
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era of of Doctor Who working just
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different always enemies bike ride
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don't worry dear i'm always crying yeah
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that's really want that up and read
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thank you for being here too
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of course it's a tradition it is it is a
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tradition it's very nice i'm glad that
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you guys could take the time on
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Christmas night all the presents are
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open you know everything's been the
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trees have been set on fire and thrown a
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worshipper and is that just me
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well okay i was told it was a tradition
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anyway it's been great so thanks
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everybody
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again and happy holidays and we will be
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later we'll be back and show we see next
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year maybe its next year now is it let
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me check the counter here it is
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we'll be back next year the future in
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the future I want my car
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that's right still no flanker now damp
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out and I order i ordered one become
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alright how the sends being comfortable
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flash by everybody
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