The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► speak to us an Elvish clan O'Sullivan [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► pen and Muriel oh dear algebra haha we [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► did it away that's going on [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► the incontrovertible number 124 Johnny [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► week 2013 welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Snell and tonight's topic is going to be [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► a series of movies based on a series of [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► books or depending on how you want to [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► view it moved a really really really [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► really really long movie released in [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► parts based on a book that was really [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► long and also released in parts [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► yes we're going to talk about the lord [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► of the rings and although we may touch [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► on the book here and there this is not [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► an episode about the book so much as it [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► is an episode about the movies I suppose [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► we can reserve the JRR Tolkien's books [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► for for a different podcast a different [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► episode in like 20 18 but in the [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► meantime we're going to talk about the [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► movies I do have my thousand-page got a [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► single volume bound paperback copy of [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings here so that i can [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► read the songs of tom bombadil from it [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► and sing some elvish later but before we [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► get to that i'd like to introduce my [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► guests who are joining me on this [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► journey that may take about 11 hours to [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► complete my first my first member of our [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► little fellowship tonight is Glenn [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► fleischmann hi glenn miller Lauren [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► watermelon [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► oh hello it's good to hear from you [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► although i don't understand what the [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► heck you're talking about you so you've [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► watched the movies that make any sense [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► no I'm with a glad to read the books yes [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► I think your frogs and like speak friend [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► and answer i don't speak elvish Glenn [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► it's a foreign language I don't speak [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► foreign languages besides which I was [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► too busy worrying about the monster that [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► was obviously in the pool but we'll get [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► to that [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► also on my fellowship although i'm [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► suspicious heaps in the ring he may be [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► after its indian taco hi Andy [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► well i watch the movie and that didn't [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► make any sense and i'm referring to the [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► movies and not what Glenn had said [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► fair enough either way really thank you [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► for you for making me for making me [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► watch like all 10 hours again which I [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► legitimately was a good thing because [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► I'd rather actually much much of these [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► DVD sets that never actually watched [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► because I've never actually [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► I i went bought the first movie I got [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► through the whole thing i bought the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► second movie and I got through about [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► half of it and just never got around to [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► the rest of it but the third movie kind [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► of started it and zip to the ending I [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► wanted to see that part where where [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► where it go with your photo has to go [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► away and I have to cry because the girl [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► from the original mix of Angel of any [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► Lennox is starting to sing on me cry but [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► I this is the first time I've actually [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► sat down and watched all three of these [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► movies so this was a good i didn't make [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► the reason you you volunteered you knew [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► the job was dangerous when you took it [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► you were the enzyme to the latticed [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► protein of Lord of the Rings viewership [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► alright i'll accept that that's what [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► character but you know I'm i believe in [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► free will also joining me on this [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► Fellowship is my my my good friend from [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► the Shire who likes to keep me company [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► and occasionally polish my shoes it [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► stand more in hi Dan [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► no sorry mr. Jason give me some fried up [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► some rabbit [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► ok with some cojones we're going to make [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► it to the end of this podcast uh well I [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► was that way to a stupid voice and yet [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► and yet there don't want anyways there [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► blame you this part guess we'll all will [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► all be be dead by the end of this [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► podcast and is there is there anybody I [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► have a field is why is it is the most [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► important member of the fellowship he's [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► our gray wizard it's john siracusa i [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► think i am at all so i guess that [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► qualifies for the hand that gives make [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► sure I'd it does the point yet like Andy [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► I think this is the first time I cracked [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► open the super duper extra long bladder [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► Buster edition of these movies that i [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► have on blu-ray and went through the [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► mall so uh how can I help it was worth [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► it and I watch them all in one day is my [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► third or fourth time watching the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► extended ones you definitely wearing [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► your astronaut underwear for to get [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► through these movies are you get his [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► paws one of the other I guess before we [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► get into the the details of the movies i [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► wanted to go around and ask everybody [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► what their what their experience [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► watching them was and we touched on a [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► little bit right here which is you did [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► you see him [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► did you see them in the movie theater [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► have you watched them on video [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► obviously there are these extended [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► editions that are available on video as [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► well as the theatrical edition so there [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► are lots of different ways you can you [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► can view these movies and given how long [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► they are do you watch them across a few [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► days three days six days something like [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► that or where do you put in the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► astronaut underwear and just get it all [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► done get er done [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► I Glenn what about you well I saw the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► original releases in the movies theaters [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► is and be steelers expression is already [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► planning services and then when the [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► extended versions came out I got those [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► immediately because I'd I got the [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► fellowship first and i thought that even [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► the movies in theaters were pretty long [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► to begin with I actually didn't think [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► there were extra dimensions that made [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► the sort of interminable battle scenes [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► in some of the films and the walking and [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► so forth more bearable because it was [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► more of the mythology and more salty [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that they put back in so I've watched i [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► have three extended editions in indy [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► deform and watch those several times i [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► think at least i think the most recent [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► watches maybe the third or fourth time [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► I've watched them and made a lot more [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► fast-forwarding this time around I [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► haven't previously yeah it was it was a [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► tough one for me I think that [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► psychologically would've been better if [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► it had been set up like Game of Thrones [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► where they if they had cut the movie [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► into like hour-long episodes where [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► mentally you know that you don't have to [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► keep your brain cpu overclock following [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► all these pull all the plot and all [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► these characters all these locations [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► because at the end of one hour there's [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► going to be a break at the end that's [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► when there's going to be sort of a [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► natural bounce recap at the beginning [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► it's not in the previous episode of The [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings is going to be going [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► to accept that they did just like in [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► boardwalk empire they always start the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► depth and the episode with an old-timey [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► 1920 song montage of like here's where [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► we are right now here's what's going on [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► in Chicago and here's what's going on in [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► New York City [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► ok i remember that's the Rothstein guy [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► he's going to he's going to try to get [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► into the heroin business good about that [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► and I'm situated and nowhere [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► where I am it is even when you're [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► sitting at home and you're trying to get [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► through these movies there's like oh [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► another really really dark place filled [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► with really grimy looking people who are [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► turning on each other [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► okay well only way through it is through [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► it let's do it [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► I i did see all the movies in the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► theater first I I just it'sit's set [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► there's such as a mental marathon isn't [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► it because I i never i have the exact [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► same problem when i read the books as a [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► kid I read the hobbit love the hobbit [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► and so the next thing is oh my god I'm [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► gonna get this three-volume slipcase [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► version of this either the the next move [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► the books in the series and I think I [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► got most of the way through the first [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► one and it's like it's like in many [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► cases it's like walking through thick [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► mud you can do it but after you kill [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► your initial momentum [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► it's just lift the leg move it forward [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► planted down lift the other leg move it [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► forward planted down and I just never [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► got that sort of momentum going in the [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► books and with the movies [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► it's kind of the same way we're just my [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► brain cannot keep track of all these [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► things that are going on and why who has [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► the football in the in this movie who [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► had is it supposedly about just the ring [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► that has to get back and you gotta slam [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► dunk it into the into the volcano the [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► lava but why are we seeing these other [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► things and who what's what what pieces [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► are being subtle and fitting together i [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► did enjoy it but man I really you really [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► have to focus and work on this to keep [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► the brain moving to make sure you can [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► follow these things that's what I was a [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► little bit tough for me for there's a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► lot going on here and I i want to see [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► how everybody else is also viewed these [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► i'll say that I do wonder if you [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► mentioned Andy the idea of a if this was [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► an HBO series instead of a a bunch of [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► long movies i don't know i was on the [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► theater the first time since then only [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► on video only the extended edition and [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► we do the extended edition the movies [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► are so long that they're broken up [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► across discs so there are six discs for [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► all of lord of the rings and for the [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► first time this year my my kids watch [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► with us but previously my wife and I [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► would watch it [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► not necessarily every year at the end of [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► the year during the holidays but almost [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► just almost and we watching across six [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► nights which i like to call Hobbit [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► Hanukkah 266 night celebration and you [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► know what [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► in six hour and a half ish installments [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► it I it really works for me I I it's [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► enough but not so much that I feel like [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► it's slog and if i watch them over the [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► course of six nights or seven or eight [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► nights but not one a week or something [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► like that I can keep the story straight [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► and I know where we were when we left [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► off and it works it's the only movie [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► that I do like that but it [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► I don't think I could bear to watch it [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► in one sitting but as a miniseries [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► essentially a six-night miniseries I it [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► it works for me i would ask dan and and [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► John but there are you know what they're [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► viewing methodology was Fitz crazy crazy [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► work Dan well the first time I saw them [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► each in the amphitheater and before the [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► return of the king theatrical showing at [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the time I was working in IT so I [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► borrowed a projector from work and we [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► marathons the first two before going to [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► an evening showing of return of the king [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► and in between then i think maybe I've [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► seen the extended editions once in the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► interviewing almost I guess decade now [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► yeah so this was the first time I'd [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► watch them in a really long time and [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► watch them all on different nights so [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► split them up one movie / night over [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► three nights but it was over the course [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► of a couple I we watched the first two [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► pretty close together and then the third [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► one I kept having to put off due to [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► scheduling stuff but just just finished [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► it before right before this podcast [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► started recording remember did some [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► theater show like I think in seattle [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► someone showed me cinerama the great [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► restored theater like the entire [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► extended thing as a one-day deal with [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► breaks like I don't know what you paid [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► for to see it but like the entire thing [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► in one you know 12 hour session when I [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► would that wouldn't surprise me I mean I [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► feel like there's plenty of places that [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► would that would likely do something [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► like that yeah I can't even imagine what [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► the young people do that people do the [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► they did that for the dark knight right [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► where they did the dated batman begins [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and dark knight returns and dark knight [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► rises in a [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► one day i just-i can't-- that's a lot [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► that day [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► that's good horse or cow yeah yeah I'm [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► sure does [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► John what about you what's your viewing [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► method for this for this thing but I saw [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► them originally in the theater you know [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► when they're right first run and I have [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► the extended DVDs which I watched once i [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► believe and then I had the extended blu [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► rays which I've now watch once I cheated [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► as I usually do by using my children [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► because i had showed them the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► rankin/bass a hobbit cartoon because I [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► figured it wasn't too scary [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► sure I'm just you know just to get them [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► into I i have that i have a certain [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► fondness for that carter and i will say [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► that the only thing I remember about [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► that entire thing is is is that the one [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► with the song they're all with the side [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► is the photo of the nine fingers had the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► ring of do that's better that's [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► backsheet that's the lord of the rings [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► one sometime Republican all right over [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► the ranked battles are brutal [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► alright okay we blown our photo of the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► nine fingers way too early then I didn't [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► show the ones with the road scoping the [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► creepy room scooping up but yes I [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► shouldn't have to get them into it and [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► then I tried showing my son fellowship a [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► while back but it was the once the race [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► came on so it's two squares as many [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► years ago so that I try to get now it's [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► bluray and he liked it and so I watch [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► all then with him and it was broken up [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► by his bedtime basically because we [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► would watch and then you have to go to [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► bed and then the next day we watch a [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► little more than you have to go to bed [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► and I don't know how many days it took [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► us because we weren't even completing [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► like old disks or have to school just [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► like a little bit of time between well [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► that's like a hobbit ramadan it just [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► lets it out it went on many many days [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► but at a certain but he really wanted to [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► know how the story ended so he was [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► always like we got can watch more that [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► could watch for that movie and he had no [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► conception over like how many movies it [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► was or how many discs to eat he thought [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► it was just one big long movie I told [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► know it's like six discs like oh alright [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► well as the more can watch more so he [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► found engage anyway that's how i watch [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► it the third time I guess so [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► in the theater once and then DVD and [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► blu-ray blu-ray installment plan with [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► your son never enough and that and that [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► really does make it more enjoyable you [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► know you're watching with somebody who [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► actually did the hard ends right and it [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► yeah engage all got so watching with [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► with my kids this time [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► uh they well they like when when gandalf [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► plunges off the off the bridge [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► yes it was very very unexpected to if [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► they're yes they're quite upset and I'm [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► I'm sorry bro this is great I've i'm [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► watching it work right i'm watching I'm [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► watching their that you know because [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► they thought that was it for him [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► apple Sam again yeah that's well that's [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► that's really powerful i mean i remember [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► i do recall i actually did watch [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► fellowship of the ring with a my cousins [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► and their daughters who are kind of you [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► know probably around 10 or 11 at the [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► time and I remember their visceral [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► reaction at the end of fellowship when [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► Boromir gets shot which is a great scene [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► is really dramatically and they were [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► like physically like you know shock yes [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► they were twitching like oh my god you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► know because they did it does do a good [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► job of building those you know it does a [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► good job of painting those characters [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► and they feel you know they really like [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► them i think yeah although my kids said [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► that they they didn't like Boromir say [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► they totally be totally pick up on him [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► the bag him being portrayed as being not [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► that great a guy but they said they [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► didn't like him until he died then they [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► like too many felt bad for him right he [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► could easily read yeah i mean that's [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► exactly what they're going to realize [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► your vagina fascinating to see it work [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► right now I definitely watch the Machine [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► return and watch my kids take that [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► journey and get to the point where [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► they're like oh I never liked him and I [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► feel sad that he's dead yeah it's nice [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► because as adults I feel like we're all [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► kind of jaded oh yeah you know [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► especially for most of us you read these [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► stories as kids and then saw the movies [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► come out and so it's nice to be its [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► being able to see it through fresh eyes [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► is kind of it's a nice touch but there's [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► a worthwhile point to make here too is [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► that the difference [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► I mean you know there's obviously always [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► differences between the book and movie [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► and plot and not that part but in the [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► book Boromir does not appear that much [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► in the movie he's always on screen so [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► he's always glowering looking fingering [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► his sword thinking ring like Assange is [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► Charlene is just so damn good-looking [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► but in the books you know you really go [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► for page at a time which border has no [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► part except to defend the hobbits are [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► run down a hallway [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► more like boring mirror haha burn but [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► there is that point that that it went [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► when you have to visually portray nine [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► people together for this long period of [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► it's a different experience reading a [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► book [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► in which that person is not somebody [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► born here comes across as much means [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► played as more scheming and and [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► malleable and weak in the book in the [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► movie than the book as well but I think [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► we just see them all the time they have [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► to have something that is business but [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► the problem with that is that we sit in [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the context of a book almost anything is [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► possible because there's so much variety [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► and how book is plotted how characters [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► are taken from the start to the ending [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► in a movie [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► there's almost everything falls into a [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► very common trope and again i'm saying [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► outright the the said earlier that i had [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► not read the the the trilogy books only [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► read the hobbit from start to finish and [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► I'd sort of football Boromir into okay [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► so they're setting him up as the guy [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► that's gonna cause trouble for the party [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that's gonna be the constant danger but [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► there's going to be a redeeming moment [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► and probably he's gonna die to add to [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► illustrate to the audience how high the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► stakes were for the whole thing and it [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► wasn't because i think that the the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► books are poorly written and I think it [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► was because this is how i parse a movie [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► there's a point which you drop that [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► penny and I can I can't help but hear it [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► will bring against the tiles you know [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► there's a textual shorthand you know [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► there's a narrative shorthand that we've [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► all become accustomed to because we all [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► see how the machinery works so yeah i [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► mean i agree i mean i think there is a [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► there's a certain amount of [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► predictability to that but again you [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► know different seen through are jaded [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► eyes than seen through the eyes of [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► someone who is not as familiar with the [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► that formulaic progression sure line and [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► talking I mean so much so much fantasy [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► is has come from talking that it's hard [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► it's like you know it's what any of [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► these things where somebody does [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► something really innovative but from the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► perspective of 50 years later it doesn't [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► appear very innovative it's because [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► everybody copied it it was so innovative [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► so amazing and then in hindsight it [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► looks like it's just one of the pack [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► when but no no it was first and and with [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► that you know we've got the the plot [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► mechanisms here and a lot of the [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► trappings of this world are things that [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► we know if we've seen a lot of movies [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► and read a lot of books especially [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► fantasy books and i was struck in in [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► watching with my kids that with off with [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► a fresh pair of eyes I mean they were [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► kind of enthralled and they have they [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► haven't seen a lot of stories like this [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► and they you know it it was impossible [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► for me to watch this movie even the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► first time without thinking of the books [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► at least I I another aspect that I'd [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► like to get into is people's [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► relationships with the with the source [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► material because for a lot of people [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► the books are something that you read a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► lot i think john has read it multiple [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► times on very small electronic devices [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► is true and for some people it say that [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► you know the books are an incredible [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► part of their their childhood memories [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► are adolescent memories i bought the [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► book the version I've got in my hand [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► right now in two thousand when i was in [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► london and i read it in two thousand and [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► I've never read it before so I didn't [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► read until I was 30 years old and and as [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► a result might my view of the movies is [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► very different i think from somebody who [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► grew up with these stories and really [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► knew the whole the whole story going in [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► and then somebody else might have not [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► read it all and have a like Andy and [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► have a completely different perspective [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► too so there's so many different ways [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► you can come at at a work like this and [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► in so you know John Dean you know you [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► have that you have a pretty close [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► relationship with it with the source [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► material is that how does that an impact [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► how you view these movies now let's [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► think about that when I was watching [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► them again the fact that although i've [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► read Hobbit and Lord of the Rings [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► multiple times every 3-4 times the last [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► time i read them was probably right [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► before the fellowship came out that i [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► read through them like one last time [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► before the movie came out right and so I [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► haven't read the books and so long since [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► since reading the books I've now seen [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► the movies three or four times and a lot [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► of like you know up the movies are [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► starting to I start to think did that [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► happen in the movie or did that happen [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► in the book you know which parts did [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► they change from the book or which part [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► is that you know and I get them mixed up [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► in my head because I'm old right but [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► still when i watch the the movies [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► it's a situation with the movies in the [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► despite me not remembering what what [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► events changed where what was made up by [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► you know the the writers of the movies [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► not when I pictured in my head there to [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► almost entirely different things I just [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► I see nothing of the movies [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► and thinking about the books and vice [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► versa and but you know like in terms [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► like what does the world look like what [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► do you picture in your head when you're [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► reading the book i did not picture [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► anything from the movies [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► despite the fact that you know that the [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► movies are out there and the other thing [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► is when watching the movies even now [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► even super duper long extended editions [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► and also the sister of the hobbit as [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► well just saw the first movie of it may [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► seem to me like this big long story and [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► we're going to dip the camera into the [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► story for like 30 seconds and then pull [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► it out and then we're going to dip it in [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► and we're gonna pull it out totally [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► disjointed but as someone who's read the [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► book so much like all right well that's [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► fine because I know everything that [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► comes between but they just they just [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► seem that way it seems like it really [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► seems like just dipping a movie camera [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► into this gigantic river and you're like [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► oh yeah I remember that part and then [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► you're like okay about all you remember [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► that part [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► yeah our that wasn't really in the books [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► i don't think but anyway I see what [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► you're getting at and it just doesn't it [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► doesn't feel like a cohesive whole [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► but it doesn't make me just like the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► movies because i know all the parts that [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► are in the middle as i know the stuff [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► you don't mean and and it's like [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► highlight yes I've always wanted must be [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► inaccessible to people who haven't read [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the book I've worried what I've seen [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► some of the time like this [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► can't make any sense the sequence of [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► things that just happened [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► they just have to take it on faith or [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► ignore all the gaps there because it [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► I mean watching again it's really [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► obvious your stuff that makes well [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► there's a there's a logic to it if [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► you've seen you know if you're familiar [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► with the genre I feel like you're [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► everything about fantasy is john r you [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► can wave your hands over a lot of it and [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► be like yeah you know magic or whatever [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► you know there is a certain logic to it [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► but i agree that it is as but you know [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► someone coming over [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► yeah you know it's amazing that these [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► became a blockbuster mainstream hits [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► given how this preposterous it seemed [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► and talking it's like when someone shuts [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► out like you know you know you are one [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► of the race of númenor the other person [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► says yes I am and it's like oh ok then [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► let me know that's not even that is [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► sometimes that's not explain that much [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► in the book because they have appendices [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► and some early and I was on a study but [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► it's just it like it doesn't feel like [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► they narrative leaf it together the way [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► you would write scene scene scene like [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► this see naturally is to the next thing [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► that doesn't actually need to this is [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► like 600 pages you just like you know [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► there are you know the 50-page gap that [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► you pulled out there and [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► the way they have to be interleaved in [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► the book versus the way they're done in [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► the movies is very very different [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► because of the meeting which is fine but [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► it's just the movies net the movies [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► always feel like here are some [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► highlights from book that you liked [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► yeah except i've only read the book once [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► and my wife has never read the book and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► as a game of thrones basis i'm not going [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► to read these books so we're just gonna [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► watch it and she has watched it with me [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► multiple times and enjoyed it [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► uh oh yeah all those times and the only [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► thing that bothered her was not the not [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► the plot because I think I think [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► honestly you there are some amazing [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► shortcuts that the that the brain takes [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► where you're like watching a movie and [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► you say alright okay thats you know I [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► apparently he is not going to get old [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► very fast right music nor it's a thing [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► whatever he's a ranger when you just [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► like okay and and if you read the book [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► you might be like oh well that has all [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► this meeting but if you don't you just [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► go get all right fine and you end it [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► that hasn't bothered her in fact I would [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► say as with Game of Thrones the thing [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► that gets my wife when she's watching [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► these movies is is things like it's [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► differentiating characters like which [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► which guy is that because as are our [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► mutual friend philip Michaels often has [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► said uh and and Lisa Schmeisser what we [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► really got here is Alfie dwarfee beardy [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► a cloak like cloak guy everybody when [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► you had the too many pretty men with [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► long hair yeah that aragorn Boromir [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► Pharaoh you're 80 more you know i can [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► say all start to look they've all got [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► stubble and beard [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► this is a problem with thousand-page [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► books that it is just a minute you can't [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► have that make their characters but even [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► in the fellowship with all white guys [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► yeah which is that guy [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► which one is that because it was so [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► there's the elf guy and the dwarf guy [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► and then there's that there's a little [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► hobbitses and then there's the two kind [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► of or are madly guy with with a but [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► there's the one with the beard the one [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► who just sort of hasn't shaved very much [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► right poorly shaved yea once again at [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► once again to roll him that's when I [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► think most casual people start to lose [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► track this like all right I had to [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► fellowship down they were all kinda [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► together a day they were different [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► heights but now just throw hand they're [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► all just a bunch of scruffy horse yeah [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► who's this horse guy [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► well in the row has seen it seems like [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► there's people are going to be important [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► later who are [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► not the introduce them and give them the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► screen time as if they will be nao and [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► is kind of like hanging around you like [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► why did you keep going back to here and [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► just keep watching [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► she's the only interesting female [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► character in the story that's probably [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► one of the reasons they keep going back [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► to her and she's not that interesting [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► the extended edition i think what you [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► doin is much more interesting and I [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► think that whole part of the plot is [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► more interesting in the extended edition [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► two more interesting but I I don't know [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► if necessarily i would say interesting I [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► or was funny i think she's one of the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► best centers of the two towers i think [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► but the books are the movies in the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► movie but it's anybody's anybody really [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► going to dip into the extended edition [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► for that reason though I think the [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► people the people who can you can [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► instinctively understand the plot of [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► people who are already really in [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► familiar invested with it and they're [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► kinda hungry to look at those chapters [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► that weren't that didn't make it into [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► part of the theatrical release that's [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► right recipe recipe you got confused to [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► begin with I'm not gonna dress ga nai [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► again maybe maybe another half an hour [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► to really clear this up for me if only [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► this for longer it would be clear [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► exactly what my problem was it was it [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► was a lot like it was a lot like [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► heaven's gate of you guys ever seen [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► Heaven's Gate Michael Cimino movie like [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► 1978 legendary movie that judgment [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► legendary disaster movie actually [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► brought down Universal Media you in the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► united artists and but not to get the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► whole thing but the there's a [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► two-and-a-half-hour version that doesn't [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► make sense because it seems as though [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► they're like scenes from three different [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► movies going on side by side by side and [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► you never know well what is the [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► beginning middle and end of this what [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► was the what character we supposed to be [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► following and what goal is suppose being [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► being made and then I I didn't get that [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► I didn't really understand that so I [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► sought out being by on get on video the [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► three-and-a-half-hour directors cut [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► originally permitted film festival and [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► it's only a longer version of 45 [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► different movies that are sort of cut [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► together and that's AII didn't I I'll [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► say again I didn't I did enjoy lord of [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► the rings but I got in there thinking [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► that ok this is a movie about a ring of [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► consummate evil that has to be brought [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► back to its source and destroyed or else [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► it's going to call basically ruined [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► everything but that by the time you're [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► in like our two of this 9r movie it [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► feels like know they're telling six [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► different stories of what [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► the story of this good when the movies [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► not over when the ring gets destroyed [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► it's also the story about the elves that [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► may be sticking around but may not be [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► sticking around and it's also the story [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► of power wise itself guy got it in let [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► the elf woman in love with the the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► romance novel covers sword guy and it [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► just seems as though they just it's a [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► it's a multi-purpose massively [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► multiplayer multiplayer online game in [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► which you can sort of like follow [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► different friends as they both forgot [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► know that I'm gonna play the game in [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► which we try to drink the woman in the [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► chainmail under the table [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► I'm gonna do the one where I tried to [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► level up and finally fight the dragon [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► it's fun but it's like Oh kinda really [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► wish there was a through-line one [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► through lines the entire thing [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► this stuff is in the book though in the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► end I i think that's one of the one of [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► the the issues here I actually think [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► that the extended editions add a lot of [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► good material and that there's other [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► stuff and in the theatrical additions [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► that uh is not as interesting as some of [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► the stuff that's added by the extended i [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► would i would sort of recommend that [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► anybody who's interested watch the [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► extended edition but the but the [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► faithful adaptation i wanted to mention [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► John mentioned you know you're dipping [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► into scenes from this really long book [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► and even at ten hours you can't really [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► adapter 12 hours or 80 hours or however [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► long it is you can't really adapt a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► thousand-page book and sometimes i think [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► that uh and and I know now that we know [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► that that an even shorter book is being [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► made into three movies by Peter Jackson [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► it makes it even more difficult to to to [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► think about this but not all the bottom [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► there's a whole other series of [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► thousands of podcast so much so my point [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► is you know it's great that they wanted [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► to honor this very important book that [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► meant so much to them by doing a [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► faithful adaptation but there's a lot of [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► stuff in here that that I just look at [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► and think why is this in this movie and [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► I and I'm saying is somebody who likes [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► these movies and watch them a lot i'm [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► struck every time I but I watch them by [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► the things that the things that appeal [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► to me there are certain things that [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► appeal to me and then there are other [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► whole thing's was like why is this here [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► and there's the whole you know yes the [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► elves leaving is important for the plot [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► and yet it's very strange and it's not [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► explained very well and then should be a [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► big Dan and the with a romance this [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► weird abortive road [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► dance between aon and Aragorn and then [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► at the end they like together together [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► with fair mirror so that there's a happy [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► and like yeah ending and it's so poorly [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► handled and when is it an interesting [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► character and the the it you know to [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► cleanse point that's true but you know [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► there's so much of this planet in the [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► hole left Tyler thing which you know [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► that's a character that's kind of blown [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► up in order to have more of women [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► characters in the book which is [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► admirable except that you know she isn't [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► that interesting and if you're seeing [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► these movies in the theater [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► she is your cue to go to the bathroom [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► haha she's great she's great in her [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► first five minutes of her appearance and [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► then after that that's it unfortunately [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► she has to play a lot of woe is me [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► yeah that's part of my the inexplicable [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► part two is we were talking about the [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► books when i mean i think i've read over [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► the books when I was in a teenager and I [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► may have read them for them at least 10 [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► times maybe more [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► wow they're great i think they're part [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► of my you know they're part of my [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► errands i'm i'm a language family so you [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► and John are in the I've read these [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► books over and over and over again camp [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► yeah and I've read The Silmarillion I've [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► read the you know some of the other [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► books i'm in the middle of you guys [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► apparently i read fellowship in fifth [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► grade for the first time I think I I [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► pretty quickly went through three of [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► them didn't read reread them until right [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► before like John right before the movies [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► came out and as is you know my team I [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► notoriously poor memory I can't remember [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► them at all before the movies came out I [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► i love the idea and i love the fact that [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► this you know he does create this world [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► that's that's fascinating it and iconic [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► right you know because so much has [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► borrowed from from Lord of the Rings [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► that said find the books kind of [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► ponderous what ya get through and that's [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► for me like yeah I read is he at a young [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► age but the same time it was more of a [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► it was like reading a historical [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► document and at times literally like [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► reading a historical document or the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► silmarillion and like 730 that's like [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► you're reading research at that point [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► it's like it's really a history book of [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► the things that never happened didn't [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► know it's it's like talking to the only [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► person who wrote his own fanfic that's [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► what hahahaha talkin was a you know [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► flawless jist as it is a professor is a [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► professor in it we know these were [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► written [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► in CS Lewis had a bet and they were [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► gonna both write science fiction novels [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► and I think they're both the right [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► fantasy as well and you know that is [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► where out of that would LOL ron Hubbard [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► that's I know what you think nothing [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► part of the grand we all lost they were [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► lonely man oh come on you getting aren't [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► you get the seven Narnia books from that [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► and you get the silent planet Cyril and [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► Ray Allen very deeply flawed but very [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► interesting books very different than [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► most sense for me I i have fonder [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► memories of narnia and maybe that's [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► because I read the more softer it's [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► easier to close your category this is so [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► what does this say is that I you know [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► one of the reasons i like the book says [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► yes they're dense and parts i think the [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► Fellowship of all three of the books is [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► among the most approachable most [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► interesting because it devolves into [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► walking in battles and you know the [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► giant spiders but the the language is [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► what got me that's why the silmarillion [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► was interesting to me the appendices as [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► I was I never I don't think I was ever [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► on track to become like a you know a [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► full ology major whatever that major be [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► linguistics or language but I language [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► is wonderful i think we can all agree [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► that Tolkien wrote the best the road the [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► best dnd sourcebook haha [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► everybody's best dependencies definitive [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► well he brought the sourcebook for like [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► all high fantasy of the 20th century but [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► that's right i mean and it's always [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► funny to me as someone who has played [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► played a lot of dnd as a kid and more [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► recently that I always look at the wait [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► but there's a wizard he's got a staff [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► and a sword Wizards have stories like [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► this it's you know the the impact that [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► he's had spread so far and led to these [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► other worlds and crew you know these [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► rules of fantasy right that it's funny [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► then go back to the original you know [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► the source of so much of this and [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► realize yeah he wasn't strict about some [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► of these things as all the people later [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► who really wanted to construct rules and [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► logic for all these fantasy magic [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► systems and all that you know he played [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► a little more loosey-goosey and it was [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► you did you say it was he was on [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► fanfiction who get that was and I think [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► that's never thought about it that way [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► before but it was true he developed the [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► languages and they needed to have a [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► culture that with them so he wrote book [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► yeah you know that that's I think you're [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► you got it exactly right and you can [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► also try to retail in he wanted to give [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► England a mythic past yes that of its [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► own didn't have its own and this is [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► essentially a you know it is [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► England is middle-earth Manicaland and [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► it's sort of somewhere between like that [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► you know the the Danes and the vikings [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► and waves of invasion whatever it and [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► it's an allegory for the I mean it's [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► also an allegory for the world wars you [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► know how the same time I know he is [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► where he claimed that they were and they [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► so clearly are but he wrote a lot of war [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► of the rings before World War two [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► what's the right but he fought in world [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► war one yeah you know that clearly [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► impacts how he feels about this i mean [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► i'd lost today in particular watching [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► return the king at the very you know as [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► you get towards the end photo since [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► they're going like how do you pick up [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► your old life like that to me is like [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► that's a veteran coming back from war [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► right you know [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► and clearly i read a little bit of his [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► bio well I was sitting there watching [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► the movie and about you know he was [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► convalescent you know injured and all [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► that in hospitals in school you know I [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► think it's impossible for him to have [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► written that without that experience in [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► forming it and then you look at the [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► world war two parallels and even if it's [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► not directly intended you know to be so [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► it it comes across very strongly [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► yeah it's it's a it's very clear right [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► down to America saving the day is [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► America get off [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► no it's the Eagles do become a bald [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► eagle swooping how could you read any [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► more blatant the net if they wait to the [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► last minute and then swooped in your [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► right price wells in the heart of the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► American bear it's franklin roosevelt is [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► riding on an eagle and he just swoops in [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► kills i think i saw the stephen colbert [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► a little too late because the story is [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► really already already extended extended [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► edition it is amusing that stephen [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► colbert's and massive crazy Lord of the [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► Rings fair yeah when viggo mortensen was [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► on The Daily Show and before the colbert [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► report it started and he brought [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► apparently some incredible gift to [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► Stephen Colbert and they cut to like an [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► incentive Colbert reciting the entire [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► history like the reading the appendices [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► from memory [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► he does tom bombadil when I interviews [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► neil gaiman on the colbert report noted [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► just on top of his head he's talking [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► interview and he just does like the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► whole tom bombadil song its he is really [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► is quite the fan [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► what do you see so you saw the week when [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► he had like almost the entire cast and [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► jackson on the entire week know and [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► that's what you get go you should know [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► you have to see this because yet because [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► again these are people who've been [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► living in this universe like Pierre [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► Jackson living in this universe for what [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► ten years more than 10 years and yet [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► like Peter tracks will say and then yeah [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► there was the two and then well the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► thing is we had we had a problem finding [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► the sword that I don't remember was that [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and then he then and then Colbert will [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► talk about that will not only correct [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► about the movie but also boasts talk for [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► two minutes but oh you're talking about [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► blog which was the sword was forged by [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► the heart of his new realtor for Danny [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► spoken exactly he's going like deep [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► catalog and you can tell he's not just [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► trying to do a bit [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► it's like just like any really really [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► wonderful in like nerd it's like he [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► cannot stop but shares of excitement [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► with the guy who directed this movie [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► well Jackson is probably also you know [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► he's he's got internalised to tone it [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► down because he wants to reach a broader [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► audience and he's simplifying everything [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► and he's an old friend of mine and then [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► Stephen Colbert is basically like no no [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► don't simplify let's get into this is [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► the thing that impressed me about that [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► interview one of the interviews I saw [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► those interviews and one of them they [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► mentioned that when Stephen Colbert went [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► down to New Zealand they were filming [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► The Hobbit they had a token trivia [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► contest with the quick their crew with [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► the crew that was the movie and stephen [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► colbert 10 and i don't think the people [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► there were pulling their punches so [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► that's not just that but i think i think [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► one was actually one of the researchers [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► that they have like that on set [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► yeah it was like all biggest marriage in [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► the movie the people speak fluent elvish [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► are there i mean that's right there the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► elvish consultants who speak it in their [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► spare time who finally found a purpose [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► in life to be consultants on this movie [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► and people to beat them fancy and I [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► don't think they'd let him win because [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► he's a celebrity those like the nerds [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► who were there you know go to guys for [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► book facts on the movie they wanted to [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► beat him and they didn't so that gave [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► him the most crabs little john's just [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► like if they ask you to star wars trivia [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► contest i'm not going to start you're [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► the star wars trivia ringer ok then I'll [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► do it [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► top him tapping for John yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► we'll do a little tag team will be it [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► was saying before that like the the [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► extended editions like you know well you [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► know if you're really into the books [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► maybe like I'm adding that junk you [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► don't need otherwise I found you really [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► like the books and I found when I see [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► the extended ones with the extra stuff [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► in it i would expect the extra stop to [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► say all I call these gaps in this big [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► Swiss cheese and a movie that I'm seeing [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► when they add the stuff and really still [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► fill in some of those Swiss cheese holes [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► and in some way somehow it just makes [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► more holes like by adding more material [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► I'm like it now [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► it's breaking it up even more because [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► there's a whole section is that you [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► didn't want to even think about this it [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► actually we're going to have one two and [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► a half minutes seen about that you're [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► like wait a second now you just opened [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► an entire door here because all other [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► thing that you're talking about it [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► there's the extended scene in the [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► tradition of the bit where aragorn is in [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► the stables and one of the horses like [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► all his rider has been lost he can't be [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► tamed and he goes over and starts [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► talking horse in elvish break or [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► whatever his name is it calms down and [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► then a woman has a scene with him and [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► she realizes he is and I was like that [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► was a great scene but you're right it's [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► like wait a minute they can talk to [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► horses [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► there's a wide please sing the song [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► about Baron everything and anything you [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► know you don't know via lock two horses [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► all the time they just don't talk back [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► that's right also the guy who plays the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► horses great two guys one of the front [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► one in the back [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► spoilers they're both in the back I [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► understand was a dog in motion capture [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► suit if you want a relook at work you [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► gotta get anybody get this one they're [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► all andy serkis that's Michael you know [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► this dog is like the Andy Serkis of dogs [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► that hasn't been done yet it needs to be [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► done [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► that's great that doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► feel a little bit little like you get [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► these drug addicts that they can [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► initially like get high off of the only [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► get a couple beers to get a buzz and oh [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► my god they're out of control and then [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► the more they drink the more they need [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► more alcohol the more drugs need to [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► consume to get that kind of high they're [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► looking for you talking about I [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► filmmakers no I'm talking about like [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► I've been talking about fans they're [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► like your fans okay you're talking [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► earlier about how there are delicate we [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► wanted to run double stupor no go ahead [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► it it's mostly piping yeah but how you [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► want how you as a fan you want to see [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► them go deep catalog like that because [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► that's the stuff you want to see and I [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► think it in all kinds of different kinds [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► of nerdom like a hitchhiker's guide [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► movie I didn't want to see a linear to [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► our version of like the first book I [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► wanted to see them put as many details [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► as possible from where i could think i [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► could recognize as oh ok the little-seen [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that actually came from the radio series [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► of it was series a later series because [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► there because there's a there's a there [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► are these two clones there a clone an [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► anticyclone the way the complicated [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► woman is called a little school the [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► other one called was called win atilla [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► and nobody knows nobody cares but this [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► is the level at [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► which I want to be entertained by a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy movie [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► and this is the equivalent of I just [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► need to go to the liquor store get [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► whatever is really really cheap and [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► high-end content and drink five gallons [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► of it before I can face by day that's [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► how deeply I've got into this rabbit [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► hole of fandom on this thing you know I [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► I don't I I just don't feel like the [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► added material and granted I've only [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► seen the originals the one time in the [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► theater so I haven't done a an in-depth [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► look but they're marked the scenes that [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► are added extended are marked in the DVD [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► liner notes and you know to me it felt [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► like they had a lot of interesting quiet [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► character scenes and scenes about things [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► that that were not either they they cut [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► out because they needed to have the plot [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► have its arc for the version that all [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► along was short enough to be shown it in [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► a movie theater it's the types of many [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► more icebergs and I'm that's night right [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► but but it adds a richness to me and as [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► somebody who hasn't you read the book [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► once and does not consider myself a Lord [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► of the Rings fan by any stretch of the [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► imagination to me i prefer those [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► additions because i like dipping into [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► the those things i like those quiet [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► moments and and that richness that adds [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► to it in a way that a in my mind makes [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► them better movies it also turns it from [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► being a series of really long movies [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► into like I said into almost like a [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► miniseries and it may just be that it [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► plays better for me and it works for me [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► in that scenario but some of the stuff [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► that they added you know in in an even [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► fellowship of the ring [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► there's some quiet there's some hot [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► extra hot stuff and then there's some [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► some choir moments later on when they [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► when they get to to Rivendell and it you [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► know it's i'm not i'm not sitting there [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► going oh [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► finally I get the name of that that [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► thing in elvish it's it's not that it's [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► more like i like i like seeing a little [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► bit more of this world as part of my [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► eleventh hour journey you know the thing [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► that got me though is for all that with [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► the extended edition in the main film [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► there are some significant emissions to [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► the scouring of the shower is where the [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► most powerful parts of lord of the rings [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► because it brings everything home it [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► brings it to earth [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► it's the end of the tail i know there [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► are so many endings the movies it's true [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► in the book as well I demand one more [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► and that's the death of Saruman is [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► have cast away in the books in the movie [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► star marks or dies it's the Saruman [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► scene is even not i think played nearly [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► as well that's a very cinematic scene in [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► the book and that played as well the [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► scouring the shower is very cinematic I [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► think critical in many ways to the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► conclusion of the book and what happens [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► then taking back their own lives [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► changing identity and it submitted [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► yeah it's just you know you're like they [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► go home and sit in the bar like this [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► romantic like all come all talk and tom [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► bombadil who by the way is it i think is [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► one of the worst things in the book and [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► so I was happy that they took that part [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► out but I love Tom Bombadil you will see [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► a bunch of you who said so far that you [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► don't like long things you didn't like [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► the long book and he thought it was like [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► slogging through mud the movies that you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► alone I like the long book I read all [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► thousand pages roger ebert said the most [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► perfect thing possible that no-good [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► movie is long enough no bad movie [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► shorten the length is we could do with [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► it but you said his head be it like the [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► reading the books was like a slogging [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► through mud knows it [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► I i guess i get along it's because [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► they're slow I know but I'm not [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► successfully since it's the disc the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► density i know i can relate to that i [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► can tell you that in the books I see it [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► and I mean I despite the fact that I [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► don't read very quickly lot most of my [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► favorite books are more than a thousand [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► pages and there's something about just [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► the length in and of itself like the [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► fact that it's slow pace that it's [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► boring that it's like a lot like that [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► the experience of reading Lord of the [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► Rings has that feeling to me of like I [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► want it to be just long and leisurely in [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► casual and why is that not boring what's [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► the line between long and lean casual [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► and detailed and and mind-numbingly [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► boring i don't know i don't know why [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► what causes it to cross the line but [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► that's how Lord of the Rings feels to me [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► as I want it to be just a very long [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► thing with lots of details that takes [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► its time with you want to be rich and [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► interesting well even though I said that [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► like they were there adding it you know [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► that the scenes in movies didn't make it [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► Marco here and just made more holes if [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► given the choice of which 1i wanna watch [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► I wanna watch the extended because of [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► the very least what they do is add a [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► little tiny tiny bit of that feeling [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► from the books then some Down long very [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► long sort of you know it's taking its [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► time getting where it's going it's not [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► in a rush is not trying to be a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► three-act play it's like 9,000 discs [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► yes you know haha [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► that's like face like photoshop slip is [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► feasting on five hatch and swap is what [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► was installing Lord of the Rings ninety [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► percent on it doesn't make for a better [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► movie but it does give me a little taste [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► of that feeling that I liked from the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► book and that's how I judge these movies [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► are apart from government moviemaking [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► which is there are many things to [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► complain about their I say ok there's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► something in the book that I like in you [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► know and helms deep something I like [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► about Hobbiton something I like about [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► gum you know that sticks out in my mind [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► did they get extract like ring out any [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► of that thing and put it in this movie [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► even if it's unlike an accurate way and [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► you know the surrounding stuff is dumb [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► you know whatever it is that you're [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► thinking of did they get any of that in [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► here so like the Helms Deep battles a [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► good example I get a little bit of the [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► same feeling from reading the homestead [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► battle as i did in the homestead battle [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► in the movie so good job there right and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► so that's what I that's how i have two [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► judges look at every one of these scenes [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► i really hate that Tolkien left out the [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► part where legolas slides on the shield [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► that was not gonna hear that feeling is [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► not a feeling that I get no but notice [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► that's a that's of the steps of mistake [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► always awesome i'll stand I will defend [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► it to the dead very says like a [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► hoverboard in middle earth that is why [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► it is awesome [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► I want to get back on something John [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► said there which is about pacing because [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► I this is this is something that I've [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► been thinking too which is what you want [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► it you know you don't if you're running [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► a marathon you don't start sprinting [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► right you don't because it's a long it's [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► a different kind of race and a thousand [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► page novel in small print is a lot of [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► words and it's not a short story and [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► it's not a short novel and when I talk [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► about watching the extended editions and [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► watching them over six nights that's the [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► mindset that I min is I'm happy for it [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► to be as leisurely as it wants to be and [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► for me Ted for them to add the scenes in [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► that add to the richness but don't [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► necessarily resolve the you know the [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► plot holes or anything like that they [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► just add to the written richness of this [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► world that I'm immersing myself in for [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the better part of a week and that you [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► know to me that is the difference here [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► is that is that I'm not expecting this [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► it's that many serious thing i'm not [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► expecting this to be a movie and holding [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► it to the the judgment of a three-hour [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► movie because it's not it's this [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► sprawling 11-hour thing we're in [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► look for him you know it's a gigantic [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► tone and anything I ding the movie for [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► when it's not long enough like in the [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► book the feeling when they're going [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► through more doors just like this [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► totally blasted landscape and they have [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► no water and just miserable and the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► movie I'm like the way that was like [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► three scenes they're already through [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► that shouldn't be much longer that's it [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► should be just an incredible slog of [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► just torture is starving to death [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► I'm not knowing how they're gonna and I [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► did it like only what was that ok was 45 [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► minutes but still it's not you want you [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► want all of order to basically be the [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► entirety of lawrence of arabia inserted [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► within return again at least like with [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► that is again I get judging section is [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► about how do I feel when I'm reading [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► about Sam and Frodo going through more I [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► feel like it's miserable i feel like [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► it's hopeless and like did they captured [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► in the movie [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► not really because they were too busy [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► with the Golem stuff which is fun and [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► everything but like it they had other [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► things they kept jumping back and forth [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► to what's going on it you know he's in [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► the book they do also not jump back and [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► forth as much they have like here's a [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► solid thing of salmon from over here is [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► a solid thing what's going on with with [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► every day with the airborne endeavor but [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► they can't you can't do that movie right [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► now and then but but that's what I'm [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► saying like it was in certain aspects i [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► feel like they did didn't it the movie [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► wasn't long enough and and this is the [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► only way i can judge this movie because [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► like I watch them and I enjoy them at [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► all looking for here is did you [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► reproduce that think good feeling that i [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► liked about the movie in some form [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► because cocaine it doesn't hold together [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► coherently and the moviemaking is very [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► hand fisted and there are many things [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► not to like about it but I like the [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► world so much the reason i like watching [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► movies like yeah they do occasionally [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► hit those little notes like oh yeah I [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► Oh yep I like that I like that from the [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► book i like that but if I had never read [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► the books and just watch these movies i [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► would be like all my god I'm never [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► watching us music here's a radical [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► proposal [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► like what if they were able to buy a [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► libretto form of this movie just like an [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► opera like it's a it's like the operas [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► are often like their hours and hours [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► longer a different language their [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► stories from a different time and a [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► different country and so it's not [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► considered cheating that there is a [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► printed libretto that will say here is [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► the story that you're about to see and [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► in the form of like six pages you can [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► definitely follow so that you kind of [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► know how you certainly know how it's [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► gonna end you know what the major story [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► beats are and I can sort of just sit [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► back and relax and enjoy the scenery the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► costumes and the performances [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► what if they were a version of that like [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► for the lord of the rings movie where [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► the same land in 10 never talk about [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► anything i'm just talking about what if [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► you were to summarize it in here so [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► they're 12 years a 12-page version of [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► this movie that will just show this walk [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► you through beat for beat for beat not [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► even like subhead here the characters [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► but the studio to retell the story in [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► the form of 12 pages i think it's called [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► the the wikipedia entry no no i don't i [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► don't want to go by the wicked ride out [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► of this that I think the key is this [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► cannot be written by anybody who has [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► read the book more than once and I don't [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► want people say we put it away i didn't [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► want to tell me what happens in inhales [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► deep okay first of all it's a it's I if [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► if you have that sort of orientation [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► around you even reading the books that [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► would it would allow you to sort of let [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► go of this idea of I I I can't keep [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► track of all these names i keep can I [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► can't keep track of all these locations [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► you can just sort of enjoy the story as [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► it's being on unfolded and one of the [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► problems with is that at least like in [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► the star trek universe with someone like [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► cock like okay he's a Klingon I don't [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► know what he's after but I know that [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► he's a Klingon where is ok to do is a [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► Boromir floor mirror just dominoed ears [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► like okay those are four different [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► species but they're all essentially [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► daughters and sons of the same traveling [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► salesman for from two generations ago [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► because they have the same root of the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► last name and this goes back to all the [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► things my wife is confused about right [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► there is but there's Rohan and there's [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► gone door and they're all humans but the [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► some of them ride horses and some of [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► them don't ride horses i found myself [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► explaining this stuff to my son is [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► watching it pause the movie frequently [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► to explain but it's like I feel like you [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► can't you can't always say like ok [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► they're in Gondor III what i would do is [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► i would go to the map that hopefully [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► comes with the expenditure I just want [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► to watch a movie and say look here's [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► here's gone door here's more so like [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► that's why they're worried about as [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► they're always there right by Gondor [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Rohan's up there but then when they got [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► attacked they didn't come and say it [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► like I have to explain the geopolitics [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► otherwise like I didn't think an [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► eight-year-old could understand why are [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► these humans mad at each other like you [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► see it's because of where they live and [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► because of alien that he's the steward [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► he's not the king but the king is gone [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► and who is the guy was related to the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► King you know that tiny throne tiny [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► throne when Mordor assassinated arch [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► like Franz Ferdinand yes be seriously [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► does happen otherwise like I mean you [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► can have a war movie I guess without [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► knowing what war one happen but this is [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► like the whole point of this is like [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► it's like geopolitics and how can you [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► how can you understand what's at stake [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► in these battles and why these people [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► are mad at each other and they do put [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► that in their performances of like who's [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► mad at who for what reason because of [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► who's dead relatives and so on [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► even all the way back to solder which [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► they were nice enough to put in the end [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► the beginning of the movies like you [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► know I'd argue this one advantage of the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► movie over the book is it opens with an [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► actual explanation of the scope of [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► what's going on and why everyone's so [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► freaked out because the books you're [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► like things are great in the Shire but [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► yeah it takes a long time to get to a [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► point while you're what anyone is [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► worried about anything in that you know [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► tool suspense is why the fellowship you [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► know you got the deed all these [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► intervals and greater and greater evil [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► you meet the evil trees in the tone the [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► river you meet the evil better right [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► spots from the perspective of the [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► hobbits are the ringwraiths and then you [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► build like okay there's actually [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► somebody even more evil than all of that [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► and that's what this all come about in [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the movie i think it's actually find [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► that they set the scene by saying [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► alright there's this dude he's super [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► evil we got rid of him sorta and then [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► things got messed up so go and can we [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► get some agreement that the best part of [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► all three of these movies is the opening [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► of fellowship where they do the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► backstory is not the best what the best [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► part of all if you had to pick what is [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► the best part of all three of these [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► movies i would say it's the opening the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► opening sequence for the shows are on [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► mostly because there's no dialogue [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► it's also where you know they cut to it [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► later because they have they have l ron [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► is recalling i was there three thousand [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► years ago you know they cut back to that [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► Senior like this would actually also be [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► a good movie when I'm not because i [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► would start talking and have music cue [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► musical cues and three good movies glad [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► well I want to defend I want defend as a [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► whole i really like fellowship of the [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► ring is my favorite of the three [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► I think largely because the scope is [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► smaller it feels more personal feels [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► more intimate as a movie it has some of [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► my favorite John was driving the the [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► filmmaking as ham-fisted I think [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► Fellowship has the best of any of it [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► because it's not Peter Jackson going [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► over the top there are little shots i [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► want my favorite shot the entire trilogy [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► is the when they are the first time they [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► leave the Shire and the end up [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► on the road and Jackson uses the old [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► Alfred Hitchcock's vertigo you know [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► pan-arab zoom in trade dolly back shot [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► on the road and get that need effect i [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► love it but i would call him and fisted [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► you got it got it other than know that [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► it's beautiful that's great it's a great [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► moment it's a great shot [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► I think fellowship is my least favorite [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► except for that one opening what the [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► rest of it because I you know everything [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► else starts to blur together after a [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► while Holmes deep looks a lot like the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► battling Gondor you know it's really [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► like other counting how many guys they [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► killed and he's got a bit of his helmet [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► on students good filmmaking is focused [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► they build up to that battle even if you [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► forgotten why they're even battling you [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► understand that there if they have [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► decided that their best option is to [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► retreat to somewhere where there's no [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► escape and that the bad people are [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► coming and you you know it's a good bill [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► it's a completely different movie though [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► because i think i think two towers and [TS]