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00:00:03   the incomparable number 139 maybe 20-30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3">TS</a>]

00:00:14   welcome back to being comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   podcast I'm your host Jason smell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/16">TS</a>]

00:00:18   tonight we're convening an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/18">TS</a>]

00:00:21   collection of panelists to have for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/21">TS</a>]

00:00:24   interesting topic i would say we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/24">TS</a>]

00:00:26   going to talk about a wrinkle in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/26">TS</a>]

00:00:27   the classic children's book the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   and what apparently as a series of five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/30">TS</a>]

00:00:31   books on this subject but I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34   none of them but the first one and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/34">TS</a>]

00:00:35   read i think one of the others but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   news peg here the thing that makes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   extra relevant for today's audiences is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/39">TS</a>]

00:00:42   that recently hope larson created a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/42">TS</a>]

00:00:46   graphic novel adaptation that i also am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   holding i have each of them in one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/49">TS</a>]

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00:00:53   from our childhood in fact the i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/53">TS</a>]

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00:00:59   a wrinkle in time with the childlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   handwriting of my wife on the inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   from when she lived in hollywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/64">TS</a>]

00:01:05   california short was nine years old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   I and then of course the new hope larson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10   so we're going to talk about this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/70">TS</a>]

00:01:11   and who knows where it will take us my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   panelists to discuss this are Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   Schmeisser you heard her laughing hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/76">TS</a>]

00:01:18   Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/78">TS</a>]

00:01:18   hi it's good to have you here it's nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21   to be here thank you serenity Caldwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   is also here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/83">TS</a>]

00:01:23   hi hi Jason good to have you and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/83">TS</a>]

00:01:28   first time not not really appearing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   the podcast but his first time is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/90">TS</a>]

00:01:31   actual panelist it is the author of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/91">TS</a>]

00:01:34   incomparable radio theatre on the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   and somebody who reads things apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   too because he's read this it's david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   lower high i had to be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   yeah it's good to have you a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   time I remember this book very clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   from when I was a kid I I my copy didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/108">TS</a>]

00:01:52   I think survive to my adult life I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/112">TS</a>]

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00:01:58   managed to keep for a long time and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   always thought it was funny that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   the receipt one of the sequels and could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   never find my original and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   thought I'd found it turns out that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/126">TS</a>]

00:02:07   was just the one that my my wife had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   brought to the to the marriage it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/129">TS</a>]

00:02:12   her name's on the inside it's proof that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   it's not mine but but and i have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/134">TS</a>]

00:02:17   memory of that yellow cover with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/137">TS</a>]

00:02:18   sort of scent or alien with a rainbow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/138">TS</a>]

00:02:22   coming out of its back and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   copy holding my hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   what they've got they've got the rainbow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/146">TS</a>]

00:02:27   wings on the the Centaur take a corn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/147">TS</a>]

00:02:31   thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/151">TS</a>]

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00:02:33   the floating green it brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/153">TS</a>]

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00:02:37   have no yes it has the floating green it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/157">TS</a>]

00:02:40   bring the lower third the lower third of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   the book spoilers and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44   there's the the rainbow egg accord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/164">TS</a>]

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00:02:55   different editions I'm not really happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/175">TS</a>]

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00:03:00   actually like the rainbow centaurs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   the hope larson adaptation a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   more because they look like wings where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05   is this is like this is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   painting on the set of and the 70 yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08   it's like a rainbow they were stabbed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   the back by radio now there's a rainbow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/190">TS</a>]

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00:03:19   like a dreamcatcher hanging from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/199">TS</a>]

00:03:20   window and this would be airbrushed onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/200">TS</a>]

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00:03:24   would tumble out make it smell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/204">TS</a>]

00:03:25   menthol right on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   exactly yeah spiritual unicorn you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/207">TS</a>]

00:03:32   listen you sure sure exalted more in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   keeping with the angles of aesthetics so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38   I guess we should start by talking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/218">TS</a>]

00:03:39   little bit about about what your history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   is with this with this book if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   got a fun childhood memory like i said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   remember reading it and the sequels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   keeping it around and finding it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50   strange but I didn't have you know my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/230">TS</a>]

00:03:54   memory of the book the only one that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   can remember it you know with is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   first book and it's funny my memory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/238">TS</a>]

00:04:01   it is very specifically the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   beginning more it although a bit so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   thinking about it I kept thinking I only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   remember the first couple of chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/249">TS</a>]

00:04:10   and then there's this whole other plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   that happens after that and then reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   it back the part that I remember as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   very beginning of the book it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/256">TS</a>]

00:04:17   more than half the book because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   book is very strangely paste and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   we'll probably get to that where things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   that I think of this like sort of setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/263">TS</a>]

00:04:24   and meeting the characters you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/264">TS</a>]

00:04:27   you're more than halfway through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/267">TS</a>]

00:04:28   book and you're still just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   meeting the characters but so let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   what wonder what are your histories with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   it let's start with lisa i read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   trilogy for the first time in fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/276">TS</a>]

00:04:37   grade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/277">TS</a>]

00:04:38   made it was in our classroom library and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/278">TS</a>]

00:04:40   I think that brought it home over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42   weekend and and I think by that tuesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/282">TS</a>]

00:04:45   i had raided my allowance and God back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   and bought my own trilogy and I used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   have a little cardboard box that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   around the three books so it was a gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/291">TS</a>]

00:04:54   set is very excited about it um it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   not be an exaggeration to say that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/297">TS</a>]

00:05:00   wrinkle in time blew my mind and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/300">TS</a>]

00:05:04   thing that sticks with me to this day is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   toward the end of the book when we find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/306">TS</a>]

00:05:11   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/311">TS</a>]

00:05:11   22 mrs. whatsit talks about the sommet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/311">TS</a>]

00:05:16   it's like yeah it's on page 179 in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/316">TS</a>]

00:05:20   book you can control condition in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   humanities life on this earth is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   described as a sauna it's on it and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   she explains is that sounded only works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   when does haven't been in look and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   think one of the reasons that sucks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/331">TS</a>]

00:05:32   suckers were actually doing science in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/332">TS</a>]

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00:05:35   so so the seed was there but just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/335">TS</a>]

00:05:38   idea that within very strict parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   you could you have limitless potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/340">TS</a>]

00:05:43   to to work up and within and to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   something beautiful that somehow managed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   to jump outside those parameters while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   honoring them being shaped by them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   was an idea i had never encountered um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   because nobody in my eat because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   not like you know you have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   conversations their parents of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/358">TS</a>]

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00:06:10   together things like if I understand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/370">TS</a>]

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00:06:17   anything I want with them and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/377">TS</a>]

00:06:20   metaphor of create of limitless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   creativity within very strict structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/383">TS</a>]

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00:06:33   the pathways my brains shifting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/393">TS</a>]

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00:06:36   time and it's it wasn't available that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/396">TS</a>]

00:06:40   said I've still never been able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   conceptualize a tesseract like i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/402">TS</a>]

00:06:43   looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/403">TS</a>]

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00:07:03   the books with you know a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/423">TS</a>]

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00:07:16   that was talking and CS lewis and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/436">TS</a>]

00:07:19   Madeleine L'Engle and Charles Williams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/439">TS</a>]

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00:07:24   actually took swiftly tilting planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   which was the third one and took it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   the shelf and said here try this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   don't know why she gave it to me out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   order but huh whatever continuity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   spoilers over well in the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   last two that she wrote that are in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   set they actually they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   chronologically the last two it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   weird anyway so the I mean I i had read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/465">TS</a>]

00:07:51   them when i was thinkin second or third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   grade and it was the same kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/473">TS</a>]

00:07:56   it was sort of oh my god you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   the the the thought and the thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/478">TS</a>]

00:08:02   the sonnet and then that you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   you could create you know once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   figured out the pattern you were set for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   everything else right and then I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/489">TS</a>]

00:08:13   read them for years and years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   and so it was interesting to come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   to them now and sort of fill in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/497">TS</a>]

00:08:20   blanks as i was going because i read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/500">TS</a>]

00:08:21   graphic novel first and I and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/501">TS</a>]

00:08:25   wheat that where did what did she leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   out there and then I went back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/507">TS</a>]

00:08:28   book and when oh yeah I remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/508">TS</a>]

00:08:31   was a little surreal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/511">TS</a>]

00:08:34   oh but but yeah it was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/514">TS</a>]

00:08:38   interesting again how much I remembered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   of the setup and how much I remembered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   of the the the place setting for each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/522">TS</a>]

00:08:47   each environment they go to write and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/527">TS</a>]

00:08:51   didn't remember the details I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/534">TS</a>]

00:08:55   the quotes or the the very very faint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/535">TS</a>]

00:08:59   theology that's in there already what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/541">TS</a>]

00:09:02   this is a book i read very very early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   when I was younger my parents were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/544">TS</a>]

00:09:09   musicians they played at a at a church [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/549">TS</a>]

00:09:12   every weekend and before the church [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/552">TS</a>]

00:09:16   service they had to go in ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   early 637 in the morning to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/558">TS</a>]

00:09:21   everything set up and to start start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   choir and in the meantime my mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/564">TS</a>]

00:09:27   would drop me off with a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/567">TS</a>]

00:09:30   mutual friend who also went to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   church and her daughter Kate was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/572">TS</a>]

00:09:35   same age as me and I think at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/575">TS</a>]

00:09:36   we were probably six or seven something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/576">TS</a>]

00:09:39   like that maybe maybe closer to 10 i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   mean we we basically hung out every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   Saturday for five or six years and kate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/583">TS</a>]

00:09:47   and and her mother were rabid book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/587">TS</a>]

00:09:51   collectors and her mother worked for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/591">TS</a>]

00:09:52   LA times so I every week I was basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/592">TS</a>]

00:09:56   going over to Kate's and pulling off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57   different book from her shelf and taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/597">TS</a>]

00:10:01   it and hiding it in church and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/601">TS</a>]

00:10:07   when I accidentally picked up Franklin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   time it was one of those things where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/609">TS</a>]

00:10:15   you start reading it you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   realize that it's a book that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/617">TS</a>]

00:10:18   affect you as much as it does because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   starts off very simply but very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/621">TS</a>]

00:10:24   truthfully you know I'm even even at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   nine or ten yeah you can still it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/626">TS</a>]

00:10:29   resonates very deeply the feeling of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   know if you're a little bit stranger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/631">TS</a>]

00:10:34   than everybody else for your little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/634">TS</a>]

00:10:35   outside of the curve you can really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   identify with meg you can identify with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/637">TS</a>]

00:10:40   Charles Wallace and there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/640">TS</a>]

00:10:44   these characters that really resonate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   even if you're not quite sure by their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/646">TS</a>]

00:10:49   resonate it's a it's a book for me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   you know what when i read it the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   time I just thought it was brilliant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/653">TS</a>]

00:10:56   I went I went back and I stole the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/656">TS</a>]

00:10:59   of them from katie and read through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   those up a storm and then basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   pestered my mother daily until I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/663">TS</a>]

00:11:06   actually go to a bookstore and buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   sets but you know when I look back on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/668">TS</a>]

00:11:12   it's a weird it's a it's a book that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/672">TS</a>]

00:11:15   value very it's a book of value very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   highly it's a it's a quartet that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   value very highly and that I've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   these books over and over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   probably second to you know Little House [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/684">TS</a>]

00:11:27   on the Prairie or it'sit's just it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   weird sort of thing this book resonates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/690">TS</a>]

00:11:34   to me in images almost rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   phrases although it's funny enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   reading through hope Larson's graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   novel which is just beautiful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   visualizes the characters in such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   fantastic way without actually taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   away from your own imagination of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   it looks like and what what this is who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/711">TS</a>]

00:11:55   and mrs. whatsit all look like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/715">TS</a>]

00:11:58   reading the graphic novel was I found it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   funny how many of those lines I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   could recall my heart even know I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/721">TS</a>]

00:12:05   to know if i if i SAT and picked up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08   book again i don't think i've read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/728">TS</a>]

00:12:09   book in 10 years now but there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/729">TS</a>]

00:12:13   of it that's laid so deep in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   subconscious the sonnet lines are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/735">TS</a>]

00:12:19   funny to me because that that awards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/739">TS</a>]

00:12:23   it's so weird it's that that is a faucet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   that's like an underlying philosophy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/745">TS</a>]

00:12:26   from my life and I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   always when i'm trying to coach or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   I'm trying to what I was directing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   people i always use that sort of theorem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/752">TS</a>]

00:12:36   with them being like all right well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   have the text and we have very strict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   structures for things like commedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   dell'arte and theatre mom but the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/762">TS</a>]

00:12:45   beauty of structures like that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   freedom in which to play with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   for some reason wrinkle in time just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50   broke that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/770">TS</a>]

00:12:51   yeah and I didn't even connect it until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   you brought it up right now it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   just it's funny it's very very funny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/775">TS</a>]

00:12:58   strange and magical so before we get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/778">TS</a>]

00:13:02   for further along here I wanted to at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   least give people who may not remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07   or haven't read it and the other still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   listening uh had an idea of what of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   this what this book is about and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   fascinating one of the things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   it's kind of far out i mean it is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   former book with a rainbow centre on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   cover you would expect it but I as a as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   a kids book it's kind of a gentle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   yet also eventually really bizarre story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/804">TS</a>]

00:13:27   it's about a girl make Murray who is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   has been mentioned here she's kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/810">TS</a>]

00:13:33   outcast she's her her arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/813">TS</a>]

00:13:36   she's from a family a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/816">TS</a>]

00:13:39   intelligent family and she's intelligent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/819">TS</a>]

00:13:40   but doesn't get along well with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   people in school and she has trouble in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   school not because she's not smart but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   because she's actually very smart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48   kind of bored and kind of doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   along with people and she's got a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   brother a very little brother who's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   of a genius a super genius and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/834">TS</a>]

00:13:57   everybody thinks it's stupid because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/837">TS</a>]

00:13:58   he's different and then she's got twin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/838">TS</a>]

00:14:01   brothers who are maybe not as who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/841">TS</a>]

00:14:04   bright and successful and socially adept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   but you know not necessarily as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08   brilliant as these other two are her dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/848">TS</a>]

00:14:12   is missing who he works for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   government and has gone off somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/854">TS</a>]

00:14:15   and they haven't seen him in ages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/855">TS</a>]

00:14:19   they they meet a through us you know she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/859">TS</a>]

00:14:24   also i should say she whenever somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   at school insults her brother she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29   punches come which is a nice touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/869">TS</a>]

00:14:32   so she gets in trouble and she goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/872">TS</a>]

00:14:33   the principal and the principal asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   her to conform and she basically says no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   I'm gonna do that and then what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   is that her brilliant little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   brother Charles Wallace says that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   been meeting this this this mysterious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   woman and they go out into the to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/886">TS</a>]

00:14:49   abandoned like haunted house basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   like stereotypical haunted house meet me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/891">TS</a>]

00:14:56   another kid from the school who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   actually popular but it turns out is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/898">TS</a>]

00:14:59   actually kind of faking you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   along with being popular but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03   actually really bright and is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   faking it to get to be popular and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   discover that Charles Wallace has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   having conversations with three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   mysterious women who are actually aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/912">TS</a>]

00:15:16   or or even more cosmic creatures than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/916">TS</a>]

00:15:19   that and that their father has actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/919">TS</a>]

00:15:22   used a wrinkle in time or a tesseract to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/922">TS</a>]

00:15:26   travel across time and space to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/926">TS</a>]

00:15:30   planets where he is now being held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   captive in the in a universal battle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/931">TS</a>]

00:15:34   good versus evil and that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   downloads very quickly him at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/936">TS</a>]

00:15:40   in the middle of this book and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   they're off on an adventure that takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   them to i'm going to say four or five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   other planets eventually and and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49   meet up with they meet up with a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52   pulsating brain monster on a planet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   and Charles Wallace's is possessed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57   left behind and a rescue her dad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   then she has to go back and save her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   brother and that's basically my plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/961">TS</a>]

00:16:02   synopsis of wrinkle in time did I'm it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/962">TS</a>]

00:16:05   did I leave anything out i mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   that it's not really about the plot but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   it's a quiz pretty crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   actually when you try but when you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/970">TS</a>]

00:16:11   about this the kids book and it seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   be going off with like a journey of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   self-discovery for memory and suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   they're like it's so intelligently paste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   though because like you like you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   were saying earlier it takes forever to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   pick up speed since approximately first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   third of the book is laying down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   the foundation the sense of place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/986">TS</a>]

00:16:29   memory children call home right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   the neat the the village in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   they're clearly leave the outcast their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   their mother who is actually frankly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   managing to have it all because she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   brilliant scientist who still cooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/999">TS</a>]

00:16:40   dinner on the Bunsen burners and is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   single parent to for smart kids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:43   holding it together and they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:46   these routines and rituals and she does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   this great job of flushing out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   world where they need that the dog's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   name is Fortinbras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   and that that little detail tells you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   much about the about the general tenor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:58   of the memory home where were clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   the ethos is keep up and she can't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:01   up take notes yeah that's it and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:06   well kids because you know just like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   we should just split board in the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   book when they find a snake the neighbor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   columbia which is the latin which witch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   is which the latin term for snake no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   it's a joke is not funny it and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   built up this rich idiosyncratic world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:22   to give you the liverwurst and cream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:23   cheese sandwiches is comfort food which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:26   is a detail that is always baffled me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:27   because such a disgusting but what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:31   does is if you're a kid when you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   you are a little kid you are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:36   intensely self-centered and intensely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   local and so if you're a small if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:41   if you're an elementary school who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:42   reading this what she does here is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:45   basically if she introduces the world at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:48   a pace that that children can grasp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   using a frame of reference that children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:52   will immediately warm too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:53   and then when she shifts gears and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   your hip hopping across the galaxy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   getting these big lessons about evil and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1078">TS</a>]

00:17:59   incorruptibility and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   like the self-discovery a little kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:05   not going to say that the self discovery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:06   goes hand-in-hand with the dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07   jumps and development but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:08   actually that that's a really uncanny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   parallel for what happens to children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:11   and adolescents and adulthood is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:14   you kind of take along in your world in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:15   your world and then one day there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:16   big leap and things look different but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   it's still the same world and so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   this book is actually perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:21   structured to mirror what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:22   people through between the ages of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   11 and 16 so so starting with the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   and you made a really good point there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   Lee said this this book is a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:32   setting up this family that is proudly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   apart and different and and how and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:38   they're they're very different from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   people who live all it almost to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   kind of ridiculous extreme where where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   what is his name Cal Cal Cal his you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:50   know his mother has like no teeth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   it's Harper right right so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:55   these are very different people from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:56   town that their that they're living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   common Kings yeah it and um and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:03   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:03   on one level because they're brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:05   and have you know and mom is cooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   stew out on a Bunsen burner while she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   doing chemical experiments and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   like that but it has a cost because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:15   cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:15   conformity is actually what is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   sought here and I i thought when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   reading it no one's reading at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:20   beginning I was like oh no wonder i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   this book this is but you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:23   because meg is having a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   fitting in and you know gets really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   frustrated and I just I was like okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:32   totally identified with that but it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:35   that that's one aspect of this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:36   this really interesting thing about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   is a very interesting brilliant family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39   and they don't fit they don't end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:42   doesn't matter necessarily accept to Meg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   and presumably eventually Charles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   Wallace because they don't they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:47   fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48   unlike the twins who just kinda slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:51   along its kind of the twins peculiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:53   genius though is is just like Megas an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:56   incredible mathematical genius and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:57   probably the one most in touch with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   humanity's darker emotions especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:02   compared with Charles Wallace it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:06   really thinly veiled and walk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:07   christ-child Dennis and Sandy have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:11   managed to figure out how to pass for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   lack of a better word early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:14   yes yeah and and they're they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   skilled at passing and I think I and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:20   I've always felt like they kind of get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:21   short shrift in the first three books i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:22   haven't read the one in which they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   start as it were but I've always felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   they kind of get the short shrift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:28   because to grow up with the family that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:29   they had and then to make the deliberate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:32   decision that yes we're going to be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:33   at sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:34   we're going to manage to to straddle the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:38   line between these two cultures that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39   have to negotiate with at home and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   home and then they go into medicine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   law which are you know by virtue of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   professions of this patina of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:46   respectability it's it's intriguing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   that they pulled off that balancing act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:49   yeah I get one this book that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:52   they're not particularly really are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   screen yeah many waters is actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   book i read the most after wrinkle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   time in terms of that the quartet on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:03   that's actually a really fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:04   book it's a much more religious book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   some ways than the other three are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   rather overtly religious because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   deals with biblical times and it deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   with very very noticeable biblical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:16   characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   so you you know the initial jump into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:23   the story can sometimes turn people away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   because oh it's heavy heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:28   Christianity but their reactions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:32   they're sort of working through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   story of basically Noah and the flood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   gives them a really really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   character background that you don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   any other three books so I I mean I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   really liked that book even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   know it gets kind of unfair unfair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   shrift and it's um it was published a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   lot later than the other three because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   it was published in between her second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   set of quartets that star spoiler alert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:59   i usually make and Calvin's kid so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:04   haven't actually read any of those but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   but many waters is quite good so when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:10   was reading the here's what i did i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   the graphic novel and then I went back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:15   and read the book again and when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   reading the graphic novel i was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18   of myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:19   was it was it this weird and the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   is yeah it was uh I found that out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24   one of the things that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   things that I thought was was did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   obviously as a kid I kind of missed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   or didn't notice or didn't you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:35   didn't read on me both the there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:38   religious aspect of this that we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   talk about and there's also this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:41   you know this individualism message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:45   where I was thought oh is this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   it's going to turn out to be some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   of like coated and randiyan thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:50   didn't realize was an awful when I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   kid and now i owe my god and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   but um but it is about there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   whole thing about individualism in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   in it and you see that the beginning and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00   at the end and it's a strong thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   throughout but before we get there I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04   want to talk about religion and get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   guys take on it because Lisa and ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   both mentioned it and David mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   that his mom was a theologian so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   going to get into it i'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   particularly ritual religious person all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:15   the way to go to Sunday School and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   had a background in that when i was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   kid reading this for the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   what struck me about the religion in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   wrinkle in time is that it's mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:26   but it's not it's not that over its more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:30   i I'd almost say it's almost more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   the wallpaper of religion that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   just a thing that's part of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   and not you know I hate to say it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:40   these days you get this this real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   push-and-pull whether it's either real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:43   religious propaganda or it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:46   it's either about science or it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:49   religion it's about heart or it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   religion but everything is pitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:53   against each other that literally you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:54   can't have something if something's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   religion in it generally the feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59   today is that that's that's because its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   propaganda and in many cases that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02   because it is propaganda and this struck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:05   me as being something that like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   that great scene where they they ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:08   about this they say there's a struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   between you know darkness and light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:11   which is just as easily star wars as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   is the Bible but they say now who do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17   think are the people who fought for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20   light and one of the kids says Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   like yes and I said but also and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25   list off a bunch of artists and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:26   scientists and i thought now see that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29   really interesting because it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:32   not uh you know hey hey kids i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   enlisting you in the cause of good be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   like Jesus see you know he's fighting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   the side it's like know it's him and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   Leonardo Leonardo DaVinci internet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:45   Shakespeare and Einstein right 10 and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:49   I thought that was really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50   there there's another Bible verse that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   big needs to remember later on and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:53   mean it's definitely there and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:56   the the alien horse people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1496">TS</a>]

00:25:01   rainbow people are kind of angels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   are referred to as such by cal at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   point but it's not like they're angels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   it's more like how do I describe them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:10   I can't really think of it like guardian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   angels they're kind of like that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:13   it's not it just it managed to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16   religious imagery and talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:17   religion as it was part of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   without seeming like it was super coded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:23   propaganda least that's how I read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   when I reread it kind of being wary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   about what I was going to find inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   yeah it's almost like a step forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   from CS lewis's narnia books in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:34   because good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:35   it's a it's a it's in a weird you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:38   will and that's an example where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   Narnia books are actually I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   much better coding for religious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:43   parables than the his sci-fi books which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:47   are much more heavy-handed i think but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   yeah well no I mean Narnia Narnia is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   very heavy-handed but in a wonderfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:55   lyrical sort of way where it's never you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   know it's never so overt that anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   under the age of 12 is going to catch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:03   whereas wrinkle in time and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:07   successors are very much yes religious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   religion is in this world religion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   part of this world religion influences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   what is going on my religion is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:17   end-all be-all and religion works in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   concert with these other you know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:22   science and with art and their-their can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:25   get theirs and almost makes an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   that there can be no religion without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   science and art and that they all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   all must work together or else the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33   entire fabric of the universe falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   apart and you kind of get a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   of that with it in terms of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   where we've taken away everything for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:42   vast structure and in this structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   there's no real religion there's no real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:47   art there's no real science it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   everybody you know under this grip not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:52   want to individual orders without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   without creativity its exact specifics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   on it right yeah the the point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   Jason makes about you know Jesus as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   somebody who changed the universe for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   the better but scientists do an artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04   do as well I group is a Catholic in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   bible belt and I grew up in fact in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   neighborhood with a Southern Baptist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10   mom's managed to make the case to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:13   parents that I should be sent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   southern baptist bible school during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16   summer so I so my soul can be saved so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:19   hopefully some nice well it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:22   it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:23   welcome to the Bible Belt working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:24   himself and so to 10 of again to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   the idea that there was more than one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   way to be a good person in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:32   to do good towards the world that was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:35   idea that i needed to have expressed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:38   me and legitimate ways as a child and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   this book is a wonderful job of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:41   that I do wonder if it's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   product of its time because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   written during the early 1960s where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:49   religion wasn't seen so much as an us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:52   versus them thing is nice today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   exactly I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:55   it's much more gentle it whereas if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:59   take a look at some of our older works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   for example i'm also a fan of her meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   the Austen's books and those are far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06   more overtly religious and far more far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:09   more adamantly christian and i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   noticed that as writers get older they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   do tend to sink into whatever is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   to give them comfort and validation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   it seems like the angle kind of did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:18   with her work whereas I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   one of the second book she wrote and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:23   she's still figure she's still finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:25   her way as a voice and she synthesized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27   most four major themes but this is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   more product if it's if it's time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   sixties which is there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   different ways to create miracles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   wonders Jesus crisis when we're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   scientists who can help us find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   truth about the University another way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   artists that can help us express that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:41   truth about the universe or another way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:42   philanthropist who can help us express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   kindness in the universe or another way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   and I wish that was an idea that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   more and play now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   yeah yeah because you get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   science fiction now and a lot of what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   coming out in the last 10 to 15 years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   popular science fiction religions become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:58   the big bad bulky man in a lot of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:01   and then of course in in so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   religious discussion neuroscience is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   enemy exactly right and and night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   neither of those necessarily is a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   know me I'm always looking for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:10   moderate path the the neither of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13   is particularly constructive and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:16   know not to get on a night together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   totally bizarre chain tangent now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   episode about this soon but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   Babylon 5 one of the TV show from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   nineties that I really loved written by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   an 80s Joe michael Straczynski has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   extraordinary nuanced takes on religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   and how it shapes people's lives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:32   ethics it's fantastic i believe won an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   award for the portrayal of religion on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   television it was like we can portray a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   future where they're aliens and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   are in outer space and people guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   still have religions because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:43   going to happen because you know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   aren't going to just disappear one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   despite what gene roddenberry thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   soho I and I always so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   refreshing and I i think it's too bad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   knowing that that these books become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   more overtly religious over time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   like ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1798">TS</a>]

00:29:58   I really appreciated the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   in this book it's part of the mix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:04   it's relevant and it's and it's it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   know it's it's got some cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07   signifiers to it's like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   of course you know these verses from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   Bible because people know those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:12   and then it's also got the the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:16   the fact is we're talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:17   struggle between good and evil here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   universal struggle between good and evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20   and it's kind of interesting to frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   that you know bigger context of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   universe with the smaller context of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   what people on earth know about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:29   that struggle through their religion i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   just i love i love the fact that that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:34   just puts it all out there in 11 big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37   big mix instead of saying no no we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   talk about that we don't know we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   don't mention Jesus we can talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   him or information science we can't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   about it is that since both they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   infuriated was like when when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   little my mom would ask you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52   religion do you think the memories are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   and I I never had a good answer for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:58   because i mean if if they are any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   religion in particular their christian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   because there you go through talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   about the Bible they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:06   the quotes from the Bible and guardian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:09   angels and all that kind of thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   she doesn't really specify she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   go beyond that and I kind of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   so that you know if you grew up catholic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:19   regroup Episcopalian regroup you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:20   whatever variety you could identify with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:24   them and maybe more so at in the period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:27   of you know when it was written but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   know you you could see yourself in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:34   situation a little bit maybe just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   because yet garden I was viewed as sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39   of garden-variety mid-twentieth century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   American religion right American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:45   Protestantism right yeah exactly exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   and they were you know it's like sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   people know about that and maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:50   only go to church on easter sunday or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   maybe the they don't go to church very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   much but they send their kids to Sunday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   School which is what happened with me my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   parents go to church but I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:00   Sunday school for a while I don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   that but that was what that was what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   was and and sang in the choir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   ok mother wouldn't let me go to Sunday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   school or Catholic school because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   was like that will destroy your faith I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   went ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   oh yeah oh oh no nothing yeah and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:20   tapping religion with a bunch of errands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:22   probable that was thinking that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:26   probably Unitarian that was my guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:27   yeah sure whatever scientist also what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30   love about this book is all the cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32   signifiers that she does drop later as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   you're going through school and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   finally doing camera handling the wild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:37   for the first time in the name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   Fortinbras comes up boom the penny drops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   for you because you know that's why in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   the dark Orton browser or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   similar to god I can't even think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:49   half the culture half of the cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:50   name-checks that go on that the dog's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   name is always stood out for me just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   because you know who in the world names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   their dog for well some really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   I iconoclastic scientist types with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:02   their bohemian ways in their lab in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:06   back bedroom and they're they're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   garage or whatever it is and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   know is that is that almost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:11   fantasy view of like the ultimate super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:15   cool science family he's weirdly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:19   optimistic outlook surprise and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   i'm kind of surprised people came out 62 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   because it creates Betty Ford an and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   also goes to show that Madeleine L'Engle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   had no exposure to actual working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29   scientists because yeah well be okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:34   first of all and i say this is somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   who spent all four years of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:37   undergrad firing up a Bunsen burner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:38   everyday for different class for it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   different labs um if you're doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   type of science mrs. Morrow was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   the kind of equipment you need you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   just you know go down to your local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   hardware store and and then oh and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:52   and jerry rig that together be her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   husband's equipment that he got from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   government but it's still a physicist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   she's a bio yeah it was no your eyes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   mitochondrial right it's real oh yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   with the mitochondria I do i do remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   that yes you know it's it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   this fantasy and i also wonder how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   of that is Lange goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:10   it is a product of her time were so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   ok for mrs. murder have a new identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   that fulfills her but the important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   things that she's still running the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:17   however idiosyncratically and she still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   cooks you're still making ironically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:20   enough even she's making dinner and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:24   three actually puts on a burner cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   book based on because when I got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   college that was one of the first things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:29   i asked my team was do you guys ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:30   cook on Bunsen burners I grew up reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   this book where they always cooked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   Bunsen burners and he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   no but we can try and so we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:39   that's yeah you know it is it is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   that her out there with her things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   because it is sort of like honey I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   doing science out here like this not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   what do you what kind of science you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   doing scientific kind involving burners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53   what has science done either science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:57   alright also making stew yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:00   try not to mix up my stew with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   science my liverwurst and cream cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   sandwiches all my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   any other thoughts you guys have about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08   their religious aspects of it i mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11   is intertwined with this whole thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12   about individualism that we see early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   with a with a megan Charles Wallace sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   of being ostracized and trying to assert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   their you know be yourself and be proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   of who you are which has a you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   a big thing that I I loved in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   because that was definitely it something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:29   that I felt in in my childhood and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   at the end when they go to Camazotz and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:32   they've got the this entire society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:35   that's basically been turned into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   hivemind a group mind with this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   called it which is it turns out just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:42   described in the book and depicted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:43   the graphic novel a big squishy brain on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   the table but it's representative of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:49   the group mind and it's a disembodied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   brain there it's yeah well right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:56   don't know what it is it's a red it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2156">TS</a>]

00:36:00   red brain in with the right then so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03   there's that so that's the flip side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   it is the is the this is a place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:06   everybody conforms and everybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   exactly the same and it's individualism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   like i said i had that moment like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11   gonna get really weird and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:15   tell you about you know about communism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   or in the rugged individualism or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   anything like that it never gets that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   mean there is a pulsating bring on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:22   table and yet I wouldn't say it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   super weird just sort of base level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   weird and it fits in with those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   themes of individualism that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:30   aren't necessarily like in in soviet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   russia brilliant girl dollar of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   scientists will sit at her desk right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:38   it's not like that's what not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:39   they're trying to the subject Hassan's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   ball bounce you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   oh yeah yes the poor kid who wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   bounce this ball and his torture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:47   horribly formats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:48   it's kind of rough do ya got a brutal i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:52   think the book as a whole pushes buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   on a lot of issues but it never goes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   know it pushes it about halfway and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   takes the handoff the thing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:02   button and put your hand on it and says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   okay how do you feel about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   mhm and it back it puts a lot of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:09   questions and a lot of the thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   regarding it and regarding religion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   regarding how science flavors the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   into the readers hands or at least it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   feels like that to me if you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:21   I'm I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   she has extraordinary respect for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   readers intelligence that one hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   and when your child that's what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:28   is for for an author not to talk down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   you when one of the things i found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   really interesting this time through was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   that you know again going back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   religion a little bit is that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:40   place where everybody knows and believes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   the same thing and does the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:45   and acts the same way and that's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:49   wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:50   it's like wow that's really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   the pulsating brain is is it's so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55   hopeful our son does this graphic novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   have you all look at the graphic novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   oh yeah i bought it and granted ok you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   know I i really liked it i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   enjoyed reading it having only vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   memories of the book too because I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   to play the game of like is this real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10   it was really like this and then reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   a book and 10 yeah it's it's it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   amazingly faithful and it helps that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   original novel is like 200 pages long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   and the paperback that I've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   that's what kind of like some spacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   and big type and so it turns to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:25   graphic novel that is so faithful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28   some ways because it's you know it's 390 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:30   pages but mostly you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:31   essentially all the dialogue that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34   the book is in the graphic novel and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   even stuff like the pulsating brain on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   table that's actually what is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   book there is it is a big quivering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:45   bring the Communist thank you Lisa brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:48   mhm yes yes but I i was really impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:52   i i i know the fear of a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56   in taking something that's a beloved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:57   childhood book and doing an adaptation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:00   like this is that you're gonna overwrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02   your memories of your sort of mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   images and for whatever reason you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:07   when i read it the stuff that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   remembered from reading the book i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:10   just nodding and going yeah yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   that's about right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   yeah our style is so unique in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:16   that it it let's get it on ments your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:20   your viewing experience I said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   earlier in the podcast but reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   through the graphic novel the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   she illustrates and the way that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   carries you through the story is almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   a little bit dreamlike like all of her I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:34   her brush drive i'm going really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   technically r know the way that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   illustrated this book is very freeform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   and very flowing and in a certain way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   feels very dreamlike and it feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   doesn't it doesn't overwrite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   memories that I have of the book and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   doesn't overwrite this the way I picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   characters in the way that i picture you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:55   know be supreme beings and and aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:57   and planets but it's a wonderful it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:01   almost like a viewing portal into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:05   here is this universe of a wrinkle in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   time here is how this person sees a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:10   wrinkle in time and like the book you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:13   can find places where you go oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   like this is totally what I saw or this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   is different than what I saw but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   not wrong it's you know it's traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   different timelines i have never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   such a painfully accurate depiction of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   adolescence as what the way make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:31   memories is is drawn through this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:32   book every line in every frame that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:36   she's in you can just feel the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:38   jangling of her nerves and the ruling of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   her emotions and the confusion and fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42   and uncertainty and the whole book to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   has that same feel to it which i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   is perfect for the underlying message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   and that the heroines journey as it were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   you know it's funny the in reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:56   book especially when your kid reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   the book you're not really sure about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2458">TS</a>]

00:40:59   the ages and and it for me it was harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:02   to picture them and and reading in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03   graphic novel what one thing I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:04   liked about this not only is it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   clear sort of like the age differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:09   you said she's that you know she is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   age you know just in adolescence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:14   yeah but what I love about it is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   book it describes her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   well it's not just description it's her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   interaction with her mother where her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:21   mother they say oh you know her mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:22   is beautiful and I and you know where as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:27   Megan's plain awful and her mom says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   something like no no that I would i look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   like you did when I was your age and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   you should you know just just wait and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   it's tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:37   adolescence is tough and all your all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   your parts of your body and your face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   are growing at different rates and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:42   all out of sync but it will all work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   and one of the nice things about the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   that hope larson draws Meg in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   is that at times she looks incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:52   awkward and adolescent yes and then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:55   other times you're like oh yeah i can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   can see she's gonna she's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   beautiful like her mother growing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   she's just not you know it's just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   of here and there and shifting around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03   which is exactly what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:04   yeah well this is really nice passage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   the book itself where they talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   you know Meg had tried to blow off some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   steam at recess by roughhousing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   girls in her greater like we don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:14   that anymore because we are no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   children and then a few paragraphs later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   it mentions that when her hair was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   in the braids that she had worn through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   grammar school it was fine but now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:25   she had cut it to fit in with the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:26   of high school kids she could never get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   her hair right and struck out all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:29   the place and it was just such a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   metaphor for she was good at being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:33   child because she didn't carry them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   about how different she was but she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   terrible being an adolescent because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   nothing fits and the art is exquisite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:42   and what the way all of the pickles with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   me and maker drawn you just feel very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46   conscious of somebody who goes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   place to place not feeling like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:49   quite fits she quits in and how she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:52   going to deal with that I don't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:55   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:55   I didn't find the book particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:56   beautiful Armour first read-through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:57   because it was making me feel antsy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2577">TS</a>]

00:43:00   uncomfortable it wasn't until I figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:01   out that the book was doing a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   good job of channeling of a creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:06   visual representation of adolescents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:07   once I figure out that's why and I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:10   edge i could sink into a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   and step back from a bit and and begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:16   to appreciate the ways in which i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   Larson's got beautiful command over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   way she could she yeah she draws people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:22   especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:22   the the graceful lines of their hands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   the way that they hold themselves in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   relation to other people but it took me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   a couple tries to to get through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   that's what one of her thankless task is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   that she also has to render the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   aliens the teachers and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:36   that's where your you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:39   imagination is pitted against reality as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   you can you know it turns out that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   know hope larson is going after going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   off of the very specific descriptions in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   the book but you know as a reader you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   can discard and what whatever you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   want to take and imagine whoever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:54   like and she needs to be a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   faithful and I thought you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   there are moments like with the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   beast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:01   I've always sort of a piece more as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:02   collection of lame smells weird to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   are depicted physically but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   accurate that it's these weird kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   like multi-armed multi fingered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   creatures with like indentations in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   their heads but not actual it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   interesting and weird but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   faithful it turns out the one the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   that really gets me is again we're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:20   to our our Center rainbow angel people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:24   and that one is really bizarre but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:27   also completely accurate that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   that's the way it's described it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   kind of funny that that is weirder in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   the graphic novel fit in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   because you just have to accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   yes but it is going to be a big centaur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   rainbow person and but it's beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:43   it's well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:43   it's just weird and it just struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:46   that that you know what what you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:47   just discount when you're as a reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   you're like me i don't like that i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:50   going to even think about that i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   cast somebody else in that part and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   graphic novel hope Larson's doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   casting and we have to follow and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   did a great job but it you know she you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   know she she has to make those creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   decisions we get basically taking metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:04   ingles cues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   oh yeah absolutely one of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   loved was you know I i I'd come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   looking at how would I adapt it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   I've done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:14   yeah and you know it's it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   interesting how even in the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   beginning she she doesn't do exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:25   same opening all the details are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27   but she entered cuts them and weaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30   them together differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:31   and does it very economically it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   very much a show don't tell kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35   thing and so in just a few panels we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:39   have almost that entire first chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:40   and it's all there and it's a slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:44   different order and and going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   the whole graphic novel then it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:50   great i was just fascinated by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:53   choices she was making in what to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   when and in which order and and how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   worked i'm a huge amount of care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:01   yeah okay taken with it because i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   it's it's been adapted into a play and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:06   an opera and a miniseries that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:09   turned into a bad movie because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   apparently a bad miniseries and at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:16   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:17   Madeleine L'Engle was interviewed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   they stay asked her did it meet your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   expectations and she said yes I expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:25   it to be bad and it was no disney i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:29   i've never watched any of the adaptation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   and don't think I don't think I ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:33   there's only one good wrinkle in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   adaptation it is 90 seconds long and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38   was made I think last year the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:41   before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:41   I'm as part of the 92nd newbury video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44   contest and it is it's basically a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47   of child just a bunch of kids who seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:51   to be part of the same family acting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:55   wrinkle in time and very sweet fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   and it's beautiful 3 l's passed I passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:01   down all right kids let's go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   Lincoln yeah I I admit David that i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   i was reading the book after having read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:08   the graphic novel i went back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:09   book and I was thinking how would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   make this into a into a TV series camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:14   or a TV movie or a movie and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   know i think it could it could be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   and done well but i wouldn't lay odds on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:25   it right about i think it could I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   it clearly doesn't animated one travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:29   well yeah I mean you could you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   absolutely do that but i was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:32   about lifestyle you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   unreasonable that the-the-the there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   some the aliens are a little bit weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   but these days you can you can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:39   do anything but so much of it is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   about the kids and when they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   Camazotz it's just a town you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   was not that is something about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:46   that's a sci-fi reader that's convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:49   everybody speaks everybody understands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   everybody else you know the the go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:55   this far-off planet of Camazotz and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   it's just a town on a planet like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:01   know presumably they have onions kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   with bouncing a ball i mean they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:06   there they're people right there not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   aliens or anything or just kind of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   people so you know it's it's it's outer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   space achill when it needs to be and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14   was the Southern California suburb and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   it's just a parable women needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   you know that which is fine i don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   it's it's actually kind of fun i was i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   actually was thinking about Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:23   for a little bit while I was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:24   this because it struck me as being very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27   similar in the sense to creations from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:30   the early sixties in the sense that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   the the details with scientific details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:35   of it weren't really the point and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   they didn't matter right and that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   really about the the gestalt of the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   know it's just sort of like look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   story make a go of it it doesn't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:46   don't stop to ask me about why this town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49   has been this planet have humans on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   when the other places have aliens just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:54   it's need no it's not the point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   story and I felt like that with this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   which I like I know it drives some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2938">TS</a>]

00:48:59   particular kinds of sci-fi fans crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   because they really want it to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   completely scientifically explainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:06   and accurate and all that but it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   know it's it's not it's not meant to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   and I was fine with it but I had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   moment of like sure there are rainbow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   centaurs ok let's sure there's the smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:18   they hit the furry smell people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   can't see anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   alright that's cool right now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   need to think about how they evolved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:25   that I just it's fine and actually i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   really love that we didn't mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:28   but a beast and her people they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:31   see so make has to try to explain what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   light is to them which is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:34   like oh well there's the warm part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   the day and there's the cold part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:37   day but I don't know what you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:38   about light and she had that realization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   like wow they I thought they were really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   sad because they can't see anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   they've totally got like five or six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   more senses than I have and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   completely clueless to them and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   thought that was a really nice bit of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:53   thinking outside of of of your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:57   person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:58   your own perspective that for a kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   book is really great again about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   different point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:04   yeah and it comes towards the very end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   of the book worm eggs already been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   forced to confront the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:09   different people have different points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:10   of view that are equally valid and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   not understand by not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   understand she's making them so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:16   an outsider's the people who insist on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:17   making her an outsider right if I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   adapting this i think i might take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:21   the happy medium though I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:22   know why that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:23   that's a Daffy interlude you know I me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   give you a little bit of backstory oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   you were a star you give up your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   100 earth is awful and and but but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   you know Calvin's mom abuses and but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   know they're there but it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:37   weird it's weird let's go to happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   medium she's got a crystal ball she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   gonna tell us about our past and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:42   future she passes out and then oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   really tired from watching you from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   showing these things to go well actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:50   let's go Calvin O'Keefe for a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:51   they really go over the course of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   first three books because again the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   ones that I think most of us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   Generation X read you know we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   established that his home life is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   great his father drinks way too much hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   it beats the kids his mother beats the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   kids he somehow manages to emerge from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   this completely unscathed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   despite these horrific details that come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13   out in subsequent books where where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:17   find out that basically his mother had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:18   to marry the first man who came along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   because her stepfather was um was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:23   getting ready to to sexually assault her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   and and yet albums that is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   well adjusted incredibly even-tempered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   genius guy who handles and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   handles and really girlfriend wife does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:36   that I I've always had really mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39   feelings because it seems i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42   if this isn't meant to be empowering 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   fell to children who are growing up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   similarly similarly dire situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   saying you know relax your special you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   can get through this or if this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   incredibly dismissive of how hard it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:54   to grow up under those circumstances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   mmm and as i get older i find it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   and more problematic huh i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:02   mean knowing the people that I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05   come from similar households i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:09   that especially being the eldest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   in that kind of a household you do build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:14   up a certain i'd only want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:18   tolerance a certain you you have to grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:22   up very quickly and you have to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:24   much the the person in charge and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   person who has their stuff together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   because no one else does and I i see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:32   lot of that in Calvin but yeah I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:35   think you're absolutely right in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:36   of that's that is only one picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:40   that kind of scenario in but in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:44   this book I feel like a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   Calvin's role is I mean it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:49   interesting because they just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:50   run into him but I i feel like i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   he's there to be part of the gang and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   be supportive and to be a love interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:56   you know it promise of a love interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   for Meg but i think is number one role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:02   is to be like sort of like the twins but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:06   but in that he's socially capable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   not like the twins and that we see with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   him on and and they don't get to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   this in this book that that he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:17   does your inform or and that him being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:18   popular is actually kind of a prison for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   him and I feel like that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:23   really hit the own not the only the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:26   by far the most important thing that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   does in this book is just to be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:29   like a connection for Meg of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:33   he's like her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:34   the end just because he's popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:35   doesn't mean he's happy and doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   that you know he is secretly frankel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39   yeah yeah just another another color in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:42   the in the in the palette of freakiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:46   well he's a grounding force in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   and then make becomes his grounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   force in terms of where they're holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   learning have their tests are acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   here when it you know going back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   the thought of how much set up there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:00   it's also you know you sort of build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:04   this sense of comfort with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   characters and with their lives so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:09   when they're ripped out of it and thrown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:10   across the universe and everything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   that much more dramatic because we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15   we've gotten used to their family life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   now too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:18   that's why i love the first half of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   book it and i wouldn't complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:21   the fact that it the the plot is crammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:25   into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:25   like four chapters at the end in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:28   ways I mean in many ways it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   it's like really they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   they're going to the planet now and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   last couple chapters like wow they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:34   going to result how are they going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:35   resolve this may do mr. Murray finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   gets ripped free and her was reunited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   there's like three pages in their back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40   on their hillside behind the house y'all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   well that's kinda gruff yeah but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   mind it because that the the first half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47   is so great and memorable and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:50   scene setting I mean it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   important it all pays off later but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   very important to to get that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   really enjoyable too i mean i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:57   enjoyed the length of time spent on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:02   midnight snack during the hurricane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:05   yeah is ridiculous and it's great right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:09   it's incredible detail Charles Wallace's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:12   down their makers downstairs he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:13   waiting for her she figured he'd come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   upstairs but he's like no I knew you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:16   come down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:17   he's got the liverwurst and cream cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:18   sandwiches and the mom comes out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   he's ready for her and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   incredible detail they're totally not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   necessary accepted paints that wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   picture of their relationships and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   there you know how they all interrelated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   to each other in this family and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   that's for me that stuff was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   the most memorable 20 30 40 years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:40   was that stuff and not not the pulsating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:43   brain on a table which I didn't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:44   it all the kid with the ball i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:47   remembered that kid but I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   publish those cameras ads for a book or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:52   book contest and so I've always wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:53   with that big being protective of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   Charles Wallace is something that I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   stuck with me all that time she was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:59   big sister who's going to get in fights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01   with other kids who said mean things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   about her little brother that bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   now as an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:06   it made sense to me because I I being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   more than a few kids who picked on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:09   brother because i was his older sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:12   and and it was but it was my job to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   Kellerman losses but I I went back and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:19   realized there's like a 10-year age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:20   difference into them and I thought what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   the hell kind of time is she living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   where people are making fun of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:25   four-year-olds 222222 a teenager's face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:29   I mean you know what what what on earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   i hear that the same kind of town where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:34   her father supposedly has disappeared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:37   go for another one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:38   I mean it's a small town that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:41   family is the talk right you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   they're not like them they're not from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:44   there they're not like them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:45   probably the rest of them probably been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   there and their parents were there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:48   all that I grew up in a town like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:49   right and it will end was not one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:52   those families [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53   I so I totally I totally get that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:56   right it may be a little stretch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:57   extreme although even then that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   thing is we're going to know that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   got that little one he's not right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   the head he's got the very using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   books that clever people often have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   subnormal children and I and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   this is how you can tell the book was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:10   written during the sixties is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:11   normal is used as a perfectly acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   dessert before you leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:15   oh yeah well in reality of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   wouldn't use something that polite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   school on the business well now i know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   should point out also just because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   like this that Sawyer is reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:27   wrinkle in time in a couple episodes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   lost which also feels and features time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   travel and discussion of of religion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:35   other similar topics religion and faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:38   and i thought i should mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   because of course the books that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   characters on lost read are meaningful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   because they're selected by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:45   producers and and then of course there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   time traveling at two so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   believe there is a I'm an interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:53   somewhere that said that wrinkle in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   was actually a weirdly big influence on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   lost in some ways yeah you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:00   yep yep I think so also i'm looking at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:03   google image search for a wrinkle in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:04   time and I found like 80 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   covers because every edition of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:09   somebody's like hey let's Commission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   illustration and some illustrator goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:12   flying horse angel people beside me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:16   and then they do this dreamed it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   there are so many so many here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:23   amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24   including mine where they where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:25   stabbed in the back with a rainbow not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   the best piece of art I do like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   they don't bother to show the people if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31   they show more the supernatural things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   because i think it does let children and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   adults my copies got kids riding on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:38   back of the rainbow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3518">TS</a>]

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01:01:53   girl also very similar to Meg in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3713">TS</a>]

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01:02:07   when she finishes reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:08   she starts reading it again and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:11   really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3731">TS</a>]

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01:03:15   wife's copy bad copy which is which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3795">TS</a>]

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01:03:21   edition exactly with the rainbow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:25   flowers and it was so much fun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   revisit this because all I did have were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3807">TS</a>]

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01:03:37   and and be really disappointed because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3817">TS</a>]

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01:03:54   should read this this is this is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3834">TS</a>]

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01:04:00   other aspects to it and it's and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3840">TS</a>]

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01:04:40   daughter's bookcase before I put her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa2NxrA/3880">TS</a>]

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