The Incomparable

00:00:04 ◼   ► comfortable number 145 jun 2013 [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► I'm your host Jason snail and this is [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► one of those very special editions of [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► the uncomfortable where rather than [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► listening to voices far away on skype [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► which is how we normally do these [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► episodes [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► instead i'm in a little room with very [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► little ventilation with three of our [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► fine fine panelists and we're going to [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► discuss television the end of the the [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► most recent TV season and most [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► specifically just as we did in person a [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► year ago [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► Game of Thrones which is one of my [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► favorites and this third season just [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► wrapped up and so we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► about that for a while and then we'll [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► talk about other TV shows at the end if [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► we have time for joining me in this tiny [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► room right across from me right now it's [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► john siracusa hi John [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► the reason our wrists are all tied [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► together and we have switchblades and [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► other hands that part of this [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► no that's just all so this isn't related [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► night for any of you i three East [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► Coasters here so that's that's [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► fascinating it'sit's 5 p.m. pacific as [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► we record this [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► they're tired anyway and more and it's [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► right across from hide an adjacent ICU [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► I didn't know how how do we know John [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► expects me how we have our hand side [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► together and switchblades haven't you [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► seen when the other hand like West Side [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► Story oh icic what you're saying I [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► thought you said like hands that wrist i [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► would like you met the fight I think [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► you're saying I see what you say I've [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► learned all the things you haven't seen [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► maybe you haven't seen with someone here [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► and when you're a jet you're a jet all [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► the way our erica sadun yeah that's [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► video estero y'all busy with when you're [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► on start your ass to your wolf all the [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► way it's basically the game of thrones [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► just on the game of streets [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► yes the the sure that's right that I [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► like it here in Westeros now that [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► doesn't Warner honest else you've just [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► given terrible ideas to somewhere listen [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you heard serenity couple there who is [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► here as well hi hello good to have you [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► in this little tiny very hot room is [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► good to be here [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► well maybe not in the little tiny room [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► but it's good to be on the podcast yes [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► it's good it's good that we're all here [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► together so game of thrones season three [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► is all this room on the podcast I think [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► Theon's in it for most of us [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► yes huh that's right that's a yeah you [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► know so that was one of the I actually [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► think that was one of the things that [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► worked the least in [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► season three of Game of Thrones let's [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► blow the spoiler horn by the way if you [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► haven't seen season three of Game of [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► Thrones why are you here we're going to [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► split some things you should forward [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► until later later in the podcast where [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► we'll talk about other things look at [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► the show notes and find the time code [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► and jump over this okay [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► and speaking of spoilers i want to thank [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► all the people here on the uncomfortable [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► and who are not on the show who have [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► read the books who managed not to spoil [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► anything in the season for me which must [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► have been difficult it was painful ants [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► you did it well enough that I didn't see [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► any with things coming and I thank you [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► all for that's good so you didn't see [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► the red wedding coming men know like we [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► like to maintain narrative integrity [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► mm you know I was wondering actually [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► during this entire process how because [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► obviously you can go one of the nice [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► things about these books is it that they [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► read sort of like history books but [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► they're not based on real history so you [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► can't just go to Wikipedia and say I [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► wonder how this all turned out because [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► it's all made up kinda can [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► yeah it could be as everybody does yeah [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► well I mean for the books as you're [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► reading them the ropes once all the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► books are out that mean nobody knows how [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► this how this ends right now because [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► those books have been written but for [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► the TV show it's a different story you [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► could read the books you could read the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► wiki pages about the books and you can [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► find out everything and I think it's [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► actually pretty cool that despite all of [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► that and the fact that these secret [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► spoilers were out there for I guess he's [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► a storm of swords with our 10 years was [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► written 2000 publishing 2008 let on that [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► night when that episode aired and [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► everybody died at the red wedding the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► internet exploded how nice is that if [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► something 13 years old people managed to [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► not spoil themselves about it nobody [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► reads books days [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► yeah but really it could spoil [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► themselves on wikipedia the spoiler out [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► there is what I'm saying and yeah it was [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► strangely silent i had a moment of [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► thinking that maybe something else had [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► happened because i didn't watch it right [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► away I had to leave its everybody's [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► freaking out i can't believe it killed [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the phrase yes [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► whoa that's what's going on but then I [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► realized it was just you know a bunch of [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► people I like whoever said there's [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► someone on Twitter who commented like [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► now you know what all your nerd friends [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► were upset about 13 years ago [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► yeah i think those books are not as [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► popular is like not as broadly popular [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► things right but like the 13 years ago [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► like Lord of the Rings like every nerd [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► universe read Lord of the Rings but not [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► everywhere in our like like wheel of [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► time like I know some people who were [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► able to i'm gonna plenty people who [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► didn't you know below the Rings was it [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► was weird to stage thing to write [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► because it came out and what the fifties [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► sixties but it really achieved [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► popularity soared like a layer 60 [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► seventies when it had like the cultural [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► exactly so I [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► Hobbit I think it's a similar sort of [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► thing with Game of Thrones where you had [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► a lot of people who read fantasy books [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► and even i know some people with more [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► regular fancy book readers but red Game [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► of Thrones back in the late 90s early [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► two thousands but now it's really hit [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► mainstream because of the HBO series you [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► see a lot of people going back and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► reading it or going back and reading it [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► for the first time so it has that sort [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► of two waves of audience in the same way [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► that I think that Lord of ring did it [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► and i think it doesn't have like the [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► broader to pee like there are certain [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► things we just assume assume all nursing [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► star wars right everyone knows about [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► stars to assume that but in fantasy [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► novels is very few of them that get all [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► the North some friends some people are [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► into we like they read the piers anthony [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► Americans but not all of them some of [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► them are the Dragons books but not all [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► of them talking is the only one we can [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► assume everybody read and so now this [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► one more of a time investment invited to [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► my 5000 you're like right like wheel of [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► time you know like sometimes very large [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► left but not all so they made a wheel of [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► time TV series maybe already happened [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► they did a lot of people would be [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► surprised even among nerds because not [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► everyone ready around all those people [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► be surprised to be like this really [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► crappy and long long long and he's [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► carrying William I'm sure has a [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► satisfying ending so not written by a [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► also different in this season is that [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► they didn't attempt to it adapt all of [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► this massive I think I don't want while [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► widely considered to be the best of the [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► series that storm of swords I think it's [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► the best 12 and but it's very long and [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► they didn't even try they they took some [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► stuff it's not all in the same it's not [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► like they cut the book in half either [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► because there's some stuff that's been [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► moved around the time sequence from the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► books not going to spoil the books or [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► anything for you generated but they need [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► some really nice editorial decisions in [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► the having this massive of work by [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► george RR martin and plot that they have [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► laid before them they don't they got to [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► like move it around and take it and and [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► and shifted in ways that were really [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► smart that that allowed them to compress [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► the story in some ways that I think they [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► that were clever because even now the [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► season is not a one-to-one there will be [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► some stuff in next season that will be [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► from the third book and then presumably [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► some stuff from the fourth and fifth [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► books too so they're they're they're [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► diverging unlike the first two seasons [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► we're pretty straight copies of the [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► first two books that they're diverging a [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► lot more now [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► yeah I mean well the theme thing in [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► particular I mean again I don't think [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► it's too much boilers say that that's [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► not install sore [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► well that's in a that's elsewhere beyond [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► comes back later and there's a flashback [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► oh I was tortured right and that's all [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► new black Annie lives [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► well does he that's better for a while [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► we all live for a while just that's [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► right well did you know that he was [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► living at the end of this [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah yeah I know but like [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► presumably his story will be told him [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► about my point is that it isn't told [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► while he's being tortured [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► it's more later it's more of a spoiler [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► for reading the books because he at some [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► point disappears off the stage and you [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► don't hear about him provide two books [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's right and then finally [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► he reappears were here we see that ok [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► this is what was happening to him [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► although i don't know there were too [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► many of those that went on too long they [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► can I kept going back to them and it was [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► like I don't enjoy watching to watch her [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► is this plotline going to advance or [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► like is there going to be some sort of [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► development it really interesting that [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► they kind of held off until the season [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► finale of this season to say oh this is [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► who this person is that's been torturing [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► him and we finally get the connecting [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► point isn't really a spoiler for future [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► seasons but we get the connecting point [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► of where we meet beyond again in the [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► books which is as a character named reek [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► so it's it's weird that we're going to [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► try and cram this all into the ending I [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► think they were trying to go for an [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► emotional impact where you just feel [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► Theon's been broken down but i think it [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► probably just went on to it they're also [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► going for the double the double hit of [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► the Bolton's right where one of them has [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► betrayed the Starks great family and [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► then meanwhile his bastard son is the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► one who's been torturing Theon and by [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► the way in that last episode resolving [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► them great mystery that everybody was [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► asking about the last episode last year [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► which is like who who set fire to [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► Winterfell what happened there and it [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► turns out this is all the Bolton's doing [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► and now they're in charge of Winterfell [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► I i gotta say this about about Ramsey [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► though because I mean he's a very [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► notable character in the books because [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► he is basically a psychopath putting it [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► lightly [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► it doesn't mean the same time else's you [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► look like a demented Hobbit I would eat [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► you for my second breakfast [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah curly hair I don't need for [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► God I don't I don't need to see that [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► much torture that's too that's i get an [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► idea right about the ID ask questions [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► like this that's tradition needs [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it was like the sex position in previous [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► seasons worth like yeah okay you're on [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► HBO [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► I get it but do you have which they [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► didn't do this season so much i think it [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► was like one scene that I would consider [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► the words like well we're on HBO we [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► could have like a and it's watermelon [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► sander is a seducing entry [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► yeah right and it's like why did that [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► was that even necessary but she was just [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► kind of mousey gonna get a leash on him [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► really this is the only way to have the [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► entire Kingsguard your disposal you know [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► the introduction is the only way [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► well the torture was like that for me to [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► it's like having two it is but it's one [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► of my only complaints about this whole [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► season because i really i thought that [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► this was the best of the three seasons [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► and that they really kinda because it [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► because every episode felt more together [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► to me like they were they managed to [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► take these these plot threads and by [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► moving them around create individual [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► episodes that were thematically related [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► in a way that before I felt like they [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► were just kind of spooning out the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► various plots and in the end of this [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► year we had an episode that was very [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► much about parents and children there [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► was an episode with all these kind of [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► like animal references and people as [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► animals there was the there was the [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► episode about sacrifice there was an you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► know they they found little dramatic [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► ways of tying these episodes together [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► the the one where that it ends with [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► Littlefinger doing his whole thing about [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► the the climb that was just supposed [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► with it [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► climbing up the wall with Jon Snow and [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► his girlfriend whose name escapes 80 [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► grit [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► um she's a bird she suffered with ye [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► great with a why that I just like that [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► because it that was that struck me as [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► being a really impressive piece of of of [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► writing and of a plot kind of [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► imaginations to get those episodes to [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► feel like they weren't just part of a [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► stream a plot but actually had some [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► things that made them episodes that that [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► that tied them together in that one hour [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► like a more broadly there's that there's [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► a kind of trying to go back to the same [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► well twice this season last season and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► it's like an overall structural problem [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► the TV show so far is that last season [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► ended with like it look White Walkers [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► are they scary here they come right and [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► like oh goodness the next season those [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► White Walkers and and this season [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► oh goodness why walk around here [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► icon around there like they were coming [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► last day water slowly and they're coming [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► into seekers how many seasons can you [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► get anything what was the end of the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► I guess what guys they're coming to come [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► in the way I know they're coming then [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► where are they they're not here like [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► it's just a hit you gotta understand [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► these guys that come in the bed that [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► come in the bed maybe if they you know [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► he likes it's not it's not winter yet [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► right i think that i think that's the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► this is a problem in the books too is [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► that it's a great opening for opening [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► scene of the TV series and the opening [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► scene of the first book is this gonna be [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► attacking well what's that and then [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► there's nothing more about it forever no [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► i think that works and i thought they [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► were building up to it and it's like [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► what you can't just keep go back into an [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► outlet they keep going back to those [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► guys coming in the second think this is [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► something i do like about it and again I [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► don't know how this actually goes in the [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► books but if you get if you were to do a [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► story like that you've seen the story of [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► like it was a young boy or whatever and [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► he's he's nobody but he used to be [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► somebody and his entire family was [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► killed and he's going to come of age and [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► seek revenge and gain power or whatever [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► I like a man who do you think that what [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► what yeah what a game of thrones is like [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► is is like don't start the board with [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► the story with the young person whose [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► family was tragically killed and he has [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► to come from nothing whatever start with [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► the family show them all being killed [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► and then the only person left is like [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► you know what's her name aria out there [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► and now she is like the young person [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► whose family but we don't start there we [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► got to see the other family and got to [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► see them all betrayed because you know [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► and realize you don't just come in at [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the beginning of the hero's journey that [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► you come in here and here was born and [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► right next to the other multiples [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► because you also have brand and Sansa [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► and John slot right to live like because [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► the engineers whose family you should [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► run westwood yeah we didn't get to see [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► that but that's the typical in areas [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► like oh I came from but it's like they [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► decided to start history point and [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► that's why everyone was flipping out [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► because in regular TV shows when you [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► have you know better start at the [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► beginning of the he lived but now he [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► dies all right well then the rest of the [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► darkest me about Rob now they're going [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► to do and so yeah who is less the [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► sopranos it's about the sopranos and [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► then by the third season all the trends [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► attorney to get everything right exactly [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► what but i think that works to help you [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► to help you feel her loss [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► yeah just instead of just starting with [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► her and they sharing some backstory her [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► saying well they killed my parents and a [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► real man [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► about it we're mad about it because we [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► got to see it and we got to know the [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► parents i think that is a good way to [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► have a long-running television show even [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► if people aren't used to it because it [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► accurately reflects how pissed she is [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► basically about what's happened to her [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► family totally hate Joffrey more because [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► of what happened at stark right i mean [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► that that that is a villain who has [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► earned it more by seeing him be [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► villainous and just continuing to live [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► just season after season [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► well there's a I think it makes its a [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► reason to explain to me why even the [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► books i'm more sympathetic to most of [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the Starks that I am to say dinero so I [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► still think is portrayed as a positive [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► you know protagonist is also a [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► power-hungry like why can't you just [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► have a nice life out there on the plains [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► wasn't wasn't because she's born to be [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► alright but I just fireproof I mean you [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► also here together do something we've [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► got a great when you can you hear about [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► all the stories about all her family but [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► the problem is you get it through very [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► conflicted lenses because you hear about [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► how insane the old king was that these [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► things are like maybe was just a bad [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► thing to be killed also my wife is is [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► reading the first book now after having [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► seen the these three seasons and she and [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► i were talking about how in some ways [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► even though we all think this is the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► story of the stark so it's so and you're [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► right John that then they all died you [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► realize we're seeing the story of some [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► of these people are picking up the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► pieces after the Starks homes burned [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► down and most of them are killed but I [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► said in some ways what we're really [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► seeing the story we're really seeing is [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► the story of what happens after that [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► brief period of calm following the [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► destruction of the Targaryen that that [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► that in many ways the story starts with [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► the Mad King being killed by Jaime [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► Lannister and that Robert Baratheon was [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► able to like keep it together for a [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► little while but he was a he was a [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► singular figure and beneath it [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► everybody else was lining up for what [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► was gonna happen when he died and so [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► it's funny that you know we're not [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► seeing the story of the Starks but we're [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► also you know in some ways this is all [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► this is all based on a story that we [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► didn't get to see which and and not even [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► in flashback right which is just they [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► keep talking about Robert's rebellion we [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► don't get to see it but that's where [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► everything went to hell because the [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► Targaryen is ruled for whatever like a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► thousand years or hundreds of years or [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► Die don't even know that's why are times [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► when it looks like a token type things [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► like I'm not writing fiction story this [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► is found history because it stands out [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► in both directions right and [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► it just keeps going on back to the past [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► and we have to start the story somewhere [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► but don't like we're just because [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► someone is the robber would be boring [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► right it's just like he was bad he went [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► hunting everybody was okay the Targaryen [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► weren't around anymore they were crazy [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► anyway but we do have that in the [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► background so that we understand to [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► narrow this whole little little game [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► which I actually kind of like this [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► season this season you get more of a [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► sense of like before she was the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► underdog and we're kind of rooting for [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► like you know she's last four kind and [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► they they deposed and sure maybe that [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► relative was crazy but she's plucky and [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► she's gonna come back and in this season [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► especially leading up to this last [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► episode I kept looking at her actions [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► and thinking oh she's a Targaryen she's [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► let's wait a second but they were they [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► were kind kind of dangerous when we [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► didn't do such a wonderful thing I mean [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► like that you've got spunk butts this [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► Punk is one thing and then after you've [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► liked destroyed two cities and it's not [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► spunk anymore now you just now your [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► problems just want to be a have to be a [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► conqueror to be queen right yeah well [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► she's proving that she's you know she's [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► she's not just uh oh I wish it was [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► I wish I could go back home and then [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► become the queen she's like me i'm going [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► to take some stuff over over here [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► she's had a really tough life I mean you [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► think about the fact that she was [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► basically left 4 door like everybody [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► thought she was dead she was shuffled [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► off of her home she watched her parents [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► died she had to grow up with her crazy [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► decreasing technically she didn't watch [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► her parents died I think she was she was [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► a baby and was spirited away she's I [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► think she's she supposed to be a toddler [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► I feel like she's gonna she's a couple [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► of years old and she's a baby I think [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► she was a maybe in her brother who who [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► got his head melted by the way you left [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► out of among her list of traumas her [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► brother got his head melted [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► well I'm kind of a good thing and there [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► is another killer brother yeah there was [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► another there's another brother too i [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► think in there too with the brother who [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► has rescued bringing back [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► yes to marry or yeah there's there's [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► more there yes times on a street all the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► ternary I wash the show though having [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► read the books the more i think that the [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► show is angling Denarius as the [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► protagonist for Game of Thrones maybe [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► not so much for something like excited [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► but who I just never bought into I i [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► want this point I feel like aria is our [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► bizarre is our hero maybe she does the [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► most campus episode 1 of whatever [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► because she shouldn't choose she's like [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► survived against all odds but in typical [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► TV show like your hero like should have [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► died long ago and survives and everyone [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► else is around his dying she should have [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► been dead a hundred times over and just [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► like through sheer luck in her own you [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► know wherewithal not saying it's [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► unrealistic understand like she fits the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► mold of the character who boy look at [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► her she's still managed to stay alive [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► against all odds and alignment behind [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► this series is that you know that the [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► molds don't always apply like that's you [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► know in the same way that my friend [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► Brian who is my one of my roommates in [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► college was the first one to recommend [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► game of thrones to me and when I asked [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► him about it was like oh this is a fancy [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► book but the difference between it and [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► all the other fancy books read is people [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► get into impossible situations and then [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► they don't get out of them and to me you [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► know that that is what is the main [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► attraction of Game of Thrones especially [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► put up against something like Tolkien [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► which is very much typical heroic mould [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► is that stuff doesn't quite fit into the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► same pattern sure there's always [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► templates and stuff you can apply and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► there's there's partial matches here and [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► there but overall the story itself [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► doesn't necessarily take all the boxes [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► things that you think would happen based [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► on this character did this in this in [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► this net position them to do this [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► oh wait they're just been murdered you [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► don't like that it doesn't know exactly [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► I don't want it [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► it's mario it's like the wire in that [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► and it's more realistic wear that like [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► all these sort of smart people who do [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► the right thing repeatedly and our [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► heroic and daring and calculating and [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► set themselves up for victory and a good [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► life and then just make a misstep right [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► and and and that's it like with Robb [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► Stark [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► he he did a good job more or less won [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► every battle yell at me but he won every [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► battle like an achy he had his doubts [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► and he had his problems and he made some [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► mistakes and everything and when he went [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► off to get married I'm like this is not [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► gonna go well but I didn't think [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► everybody would die you know you figure [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► especially they did the great misdirect [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► on the television show where they you [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► know I when I started to know what's [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► gonna happen i knew that it was not [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► gonna go off the way they thought it [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► because Walter frame the show is just [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► like a little cereal but but what they [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► did was like oh and they do the stuff [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► the telegraphing to the viewers hear [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► something Bad's gonna happen and they [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► shoot them like in the shoulders with [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► arrows and I go see everything's going [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► bad but the shot in the show that's what [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► they always do it like you wanted a [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► non-fatal you want some [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► want to live like egret shooting guns [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► snow at like nine times the arrow but [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► none of them merged center mass so you [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► figure well I mean he's alive at the end [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► of the size and whatever purpose right [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► perhaps maybe well she loves him too [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► much yeah and sorry i love you so much [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► i'll shoot you would be fatally she [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► loves it a lot but not if she doesn't [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► want to feel some pain yes right but [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► anyway but they they got shot both of [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► them Rob and his mother got shot like in [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► the shoulders and the leg or whatever [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► you and your like and that was what [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► you'd expect from a TV show because i [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► thought was gonna go out and didn't go [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► out like all they all lived and then [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► like they cut away for something else [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► and they cut back and like help but now [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► they're finishing the job and kill you [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► and like as soon as it as soon as [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► someone took the Walter phrase a wife [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► and held hostage was like I can do [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► are you done yeah i mean after all the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► viewers know that is usually just the [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► most beautiful one to me was still the [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► Rob's wife like that scene is just that [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► was yes [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► oh my god like that and that are [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► expected to die because we will [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► introduce the seasons the innocent she [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► had a fairytale story she would die to [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► punish Rob and he would always regret [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► her death and here we got her death like [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► five minutes he didn't have a lot of [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► time you learned a valuable lesson and [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► I'd yeah it's a that's it that's [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► actually a book change where they've got [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► so much more sympathetic character in [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► the novel he marries sort of a she's no [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► shot and cycling essentially and and and [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► it's and they make her pregnant and [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► she's she's likeable and smart and it [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► hurts [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► we also never heard never get in the [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► book [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► despite Rob being such a central [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► character he's never a few points right [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► so he never gets boring series and he [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► feels much more present in the TV show [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► absolutely and he's very dashing and [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► he's he's felt he's struggling with [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► Joffrey isn't right he's the young guy [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► who really could be the king who he's [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► made some bad decisions but he is he's [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► kind of like his father right he's he's [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► we like him and his hearts in the right [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► place for you nobody has some stuff and [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► gets himself killed many and he has [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► reached he had his doubts in the [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► beginning like I am I going to be king [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► of the north and kind of had to be have [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► it thrust upon him but the ones who took [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► the mantle of it is like all right let's [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► run with this and we can get it done and [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► he seems competent and everything and [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► you know and and I thought he seemed [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► hard-nosed enough to get the job done [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► adjusted at I mean I blame his mother [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► because on the show she's the one he [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► went to her for advice and she's the one [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► you know what we should go [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► let's go just go let's go to that let's [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► go get married like I married we should [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► do it and that was something that was [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► the wrong call that bed call when the [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► other person that's surprisingly [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► sympathetic I found in this season is a [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► time Lannister [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► mmm yeah he suddenly become like my [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► favorite guys here's my great is like [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► Charles looks I need to rule the world [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► will you people stop getting in my way [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► if you would just put a vicious put him [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► in charge and everything will be better [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► in kind of the it for the peasants [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► because he would like slaughter all the [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► other families and get everyone in line [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► and the peasants would be like finally [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► peace time again and and yet he yes the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► control like from the shadows or [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► whatever and I feel his frustration is [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► like I'm surrounded by idiots and my [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► little dwarf Sun is always whining to me [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► and Joffrey is just terrible and I have [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► to like send him to bed and you know god [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► he someone's making a throne room and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► have to walk all the way down there and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► he's um it's funny because you know [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► first off we're not supposed to like the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► Lannisters but it's such a great [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► character and you get the sense that [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► he's you know he's a professional [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► he knows what he's doing we may not like [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► what he's doing a professional terrible [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► person but he knows what he's doing he [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► really does and in fact you could argue [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that what he's doing may lead to a lot [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► less pain and chaos in in the net as [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► what a lot of other people are doing [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► even though in the sensitivity it's also [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► we don't like him in the words of you [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► know the words of the wire he's also you [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► know a man with a code in that you know [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► i'm not particularly like that scene in [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► the last episode which were they talk [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► about your family is so important and so [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► clearly he believes that he has a very [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► twisted view what the code the code is [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► nonsensical but everyone is consistent [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► yeah like and so that to me and [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► especially doesn't care about his family [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► enough to actually loved his he can [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► write he loves the feel of the know and [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► I don't have to kill him [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► yeah yeah but I'm ages love the wind i [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► minus all season my favorite seen all [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► season i think has to do with him [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► interacting with diana rigg yeah [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► please baby lady Tyrell oh yeah the two [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► of them were just saying i have expected [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► one of the black leadership across table [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► kiss exactly shove everything off the [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► table in serving yeah we were made for [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► each other and the off-screen yeah I [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► keep waiting for Tywin's back story [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► because especially when he was talking [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► about his son of it because something [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► made Tywin Lannister and you think it [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► would have to be some formative [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► experience as a child where he adopted [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► the code of family first and family [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► above all or whatever i don't know if [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► we'll ever get his backstory but he is [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► he's interesting to me in a way that in [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► this in this you're Tyrion like you [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► think but I guess kids don't get over [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► get over is like he's always looking for [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► his father's love and a certain point [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► earrings got away look it's not gonna [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► happen dude and you're like the worst [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► thing about their relationship as they [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► are the most alike i know he is his [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► father's friend it's okay for right and [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► to see them bounce off each other and [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► that's that's time was failing is like I [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► think he should be smart enough to see [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► look you had all these children and that [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► one is the only you can't get over his [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► hatred of Tyrion enough to realize that [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► he is the best kid he is and he has the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► most value of all his people and he is [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► so much like him like he's basically his [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► father but with a self-esteem problem [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► well it's just horrifying to tie when [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► you really think about it is that he [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► doesn't want to be known as his legacy [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► is his dwarf Sun who killed his wife and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► taiwan i mean we don't get a lot of [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► straightforward backstory on time when [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► but you get hints [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► I mean you get the fact that he [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► basically had to deal with the [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► Revolution and the uprising against the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► King his only son joined the Kingsguard [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► and basically you know secondly cut [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► yourself cut yourself off from any kind [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► of ordinary life and when he said he sat [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► out the civil war and that actually came [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► up in the last episode that was a [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► fascinating little tidbit right now is [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► that he sat out the civil war that was [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► the smart move but you still feels well [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► until like me who want to win [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► yeah and then his son killed the king [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► and in retrospect and I think if Tyrion [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► in some ways doesn't get as much to do [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► this season by comparison he was helps a [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► lot but he doesn't this is strange [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► because that you know is the character [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► was such a breakout character for the [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► for the both for the books and I was [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► concerned actually about the season [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► because in the books he doesn't have a [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► lot to do he's kind of just moping [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► because he's gotten he did this great [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► thing and nobody cares people tried to [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► kill me feels under marry this person is [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► God although i did i did like especially [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► in that we get one brief look into his [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► marriage before it basically all go [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► south in the in the last episode there [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► where he and sands are walking in the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► garden keep shifting yeah one talk about [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that and talking about the you know what [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► are we gonna do to these people and [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► there's a there's a moment there where [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► you feel like oh maybe they can make [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► babies [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► kids making you already said that [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► Hardware yes then pregnant her brother [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► than that everything just seems like [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► it's going on his family killed all of [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► her family you know everyone like who [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► hasn't killed his dark at this point I [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► just got to think this guy thing to do [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► is get some deniability something you [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► said earlier about this is this the [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► strength of Martin's story too is it's [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► we expect a story with protagonist and [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► antagonist and we don't get it and [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► instead we get this weird it's almost [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► like survivor where we have many [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► protagonists and presumably some of them [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► will make it but others won't [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► and the antagonist I mean and some [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► people rise and fall but it's like you [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► you mentioned Aria and you mentioned an [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► heiress and there's also a Jon Snow [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► who's that who's are you one of my [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► favorite characters and he knows nothing [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► but he's an interesting character and we [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► learned that he has like you know he's [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► got some is lame-o he's got a little [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► yeah and then there's and then there's [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► brand who's got super animal power [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► yeah right brand is another one who [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► should not be alive liked by all rights [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► and just through happenstance and lock [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► and Hodor Hodor has like I was watching [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► them with my wife was like don't they [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► all realize that like when the kids are [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► wandering around and they're like you [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► know you staying one step ahead of the [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► enemy their entire survival depends on [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► hold or because the potent as they can [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► no longer move one of the kids can carry [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► brand and then they go importantly there [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► is everything going over right from the [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► rough terrain in the north and her doors [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► got Brandon like a wheelbarrow and omega [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► restaurant so it won't hold our gets [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► knocked out they can move brain anymore [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► yeah because they get a please sir can I [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► help i have a start right here and we'll [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► just put possess Hodor i guess and make [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► him push the things he gets killed like [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► they treat her like a lady was not [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► behold or your Survival plans on hold or [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► is the most important character this [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► season yeah I was gonna say in terms of [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► antagonist and protagonist i'm curious [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► how you John especially is used as the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► person who hasn't read the books [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► how did you feel about Jaime Lannister [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► Jamie this is the great turn of Jimmy [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► Lamia label I mean Jamie was fitting [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► like they had him being you know the [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► Kingslayer guy but all these kind of [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► said because you know what first was [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► having sex with his sister [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► so that's that's a that's gonna get some [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► you get all self guilt there and [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► and is like everyone thinks I'm a [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► kingslayer just gonna kill one king [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► yeah you're one getting all this on your [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► King's lair and then someone gets his [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► hand cut off and humbled and everything [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► but you always they always portrayed him [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► as like there was there was a part of [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► goodness in him a lot of the bad things [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► he did were like self spite like what [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► you find if you think I'm a bad guy [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► while I'm gonna act like a bad guy and [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► everyone in this world has like the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► moral flexibility to just be killing [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► children left and right or you know and [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► paying attention to beggars and stuff [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► but it you know given that baseline he [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► does have some sort of heart of goodness [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► my head to come how many saves your [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► money and ran from the bear and all that [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► other stuff right now the pair and now [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► but I was said when I saw him go back to [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► his evil sister because it's like you [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► should you should have [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► yes but she's disgusted by a stump maybe [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► well but this didn't have to show you [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► long enough for like this turnabout [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► should have made him like you know [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► realize that everything out that he [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► shouldn't be associating with you but he [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► still holds out and then he comes and [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► are you like shrugs the stump like man I [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► I but that I feel like that's that's one [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► of those questions for us to ponder [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► between the seasons like what what is [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► this relationship between them now [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► didn't rush into each other's anything [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► but he's too self-centered to ever be a [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► story arc hero except circumstantially [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► because he cares about himself and his [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► own image of himself and all that stuff [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► he does not care who wins the war what [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► side is on what battle he doesn't care [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► about family so much he's like I always [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► thought he was Prince Humperdinck so [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► well I and I think it's very interesting [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► because you know if you have read the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► books then you start out of seeing him [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► is the guy who throws breaking out a [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► window right you're like there's no [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► coming back and coming back from them [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► and at a certain point in storage i [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► believe he becomes a viewpoint [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► characters you actually get into his [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► head during all those moments when he's [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► white riding with Brienne and he is you [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► know he does you come around on him a [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► little bit you're right about what [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► you're right there's it'sit's hard he [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► harnessed sired an arrogant and all of [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► those things but there's a redemptive [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► quality it's amazing how far we come [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► with Jamie in this season where he's not [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► the villain he's questionable in lots of [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► ways but he also went back and he [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► doesn't work and you feel bad about [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► about how he's treated and even when [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► using with brie and like I feel itís at [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► certain points that he could have killed [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► her and escaped [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► yeah but didn't and like when they're [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► fighting on the bridge and everything he [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► would buy that point was hungry and [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► stuff like that but like if it is [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► he was bent on killing her like he [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► gained respect for her in that respect [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► cause I'm not to be terrible but like [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► pushing bring out the window at this [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► point everyone in this world I feel like [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► it's like you just killed one kid like [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► it killed all the line didn't kill I [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► nobody tries like any kid comes in the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► window and you're like I became the one [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► who was knowing that killed is like life [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► is so cheap and in this world of [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► Westeros that everybody has that [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► baseline of I've killed you came out [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► know who hasn't the mountain ass Aria if [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► that was the first man she killed with [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► guilt or the dogs are out is that the [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► first man you killed that shit or is the [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► first one you've killed she's the first [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► man i'm not mentioning the boy I killed [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► right in fact with the people i ordered [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► to be killed by assassins but this was [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► the first man that I actually stabbed [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► until he was dead [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► yes and and even and even men like [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► people die all the time in that they're [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► not a higher class whatever so him [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► pushing bring out the window just [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► establishes that he's a character in [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► this world more flexibility is not just [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► like yeah you know it takes a lot to to [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► be looked down upon us like and like you [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► know you have to be whatever Ramses is [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► clearing guys chaotic neutral [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► yeah i mean everybody is like in it and [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► almost nobody anybody lawful good would [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► be dead in five seconds on the unit but [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► my clarinet is that he was again I don't [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► know if he was lawful good was he [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► laughing I i was going to say unless the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► red God keeps resurrecting them like [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► beric Dondarrion has which is a [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► fascinating well that that's one of my [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► favorite most memorable scenes from all [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► these books is that the battle between [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► the dog and and Dondarrion with the red [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► priest in the Brotherhood without [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► banners looking on [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► we like all right there's gonna be a day [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► they got to take this guy down its gonna [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► know he killed the other guy [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► wait for the other guy came back to life [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► what the hell is going on group you're [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► okay so what happened also we also then [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► kind of walk away from it at that point [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► and yes really yes but this is this is [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► yes very good Martin does that i really [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► like which is instead of it being all [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► magic and fairies and everybody's [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► casting spells it's like you you get [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► lulled into thinking that this world [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► ladies and magical rules and then [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► there's something I enjoy hold my god [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► but so is everyone else in the book [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► anyone else in the book is like because [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► they were not hell is that those dragons [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► yes I said the Dragons they're White [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► Walkers okay but otherwise and yeah i [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► know she took the leech and threw it in [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► and then [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► Rob died i wanted gonna complain chance [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► but then the guy comes back to life and [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► says yeah I've actually come back to [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► life many times in the last few months [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► although yeah all my friendly to is the [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► other the other chefs yeah right [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► this event that the power because [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► they're not happening all the time [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► that's a mysterious thing about like the [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► you know the red woman and that whole [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► religion thing is I think the show is [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► done a good job of walking the line [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► between especially when you put any kind [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► of religion show a lot of people want to [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► latch onto like the good religion was [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► like the good god or the bandits like [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► I'm some of these the heroic eyes [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► because like if they did come back to [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► life and if you come back to life is not [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► like a are a good thing that your God [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► does but that's God doesn't seem like [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► the night is dark and full of terrors [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► wait what like it's not quite sure [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► whether to whether to be on board with [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► like is their mission actually righteous [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► or they're all crazy or is this like a [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► devil God or is it just like you know [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► that that they walked a good lineup is I [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► don't wanna not a morality god I don't [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► come down saying like oh that that is [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► she's a demon woman you have to kill it [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► was occasionally like the guy who is [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► under her spell more or less is it seems [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► like a reasonably good guys right and [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► he's got you know the half hand who's [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► like we're all written for him right and [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► they're over there doing their thing [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► when she got the red woman and I can't I [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► don't immediately label them as an enemy [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► and they're certainly not the heroes [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► either but they do have magic on their [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► side so it's like you know the other [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► guys don't [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the Lannisters are resurrecting people [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► from the dead they also there's that [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► question of what if the person you don't [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► like ends up being right and and then [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► melisendra comes across as being so [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► creepy and weird and awful and yet you [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► know we know that there are these White [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Walkers up in the IC territory waiting [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► for the winter to come so that they can [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► come down and kill everybody and she's [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► in the south and has this fire magic [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► it's like okay [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► a song of fire and I system and the [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► series right so it's like wait a second [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► so is this crazy lady actually the one [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► who's got the power to destroy the the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► ISIS zombies don't also forget Daenerys [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► has fire to Paris is a fire when we know [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► the Dragonstone kill zombies because [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► Sam's the Samwise I mean Sam well [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► yeah I figured that one out in a nice [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► cross one of the nice things that I like [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► about this is occasionally those [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► storylines intersected I didn't last [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► episode where they're looking down the [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► well and saying oh somebody's coming [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► what's going to go on I'm like oh you [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► know who that is [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► it's gonna be something that's great and [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► then they do their little win Sam and [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► Gilly and the baby and they do their [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► little cross and then they take the [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► wheelbarrow out to the I'd like to pause [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► for a moment to tell you all about our [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► sponsor again I know this is hard to [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► believe the incomparable has a sponsor [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► can you believe it that we have a [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► sponsor we do you tell me about sponsor [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► well they wouldn't be sponsored by [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► didn't tell you tell me nothing about [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► this there's a silent partner [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► I want to get fired a spoiler horn [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► before your new favorite spots are we [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► gonna find that sponsor horns sponsors [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► sponsors coming [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► I the sponsor is a product that i [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► actually used I bought this in December [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► 23andme dot-com it is a website that [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► does a genetic profile of you you they [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► send you a little tube you you spit in [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► the tube you send it off and then [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► magical computers do things and tell you [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► the facts about yourself [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► there-there's health information they [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► talk about their there's some [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► information about how Eugene's may [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► impact your health [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► there are these trade and ancestry [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► reports that tell you a lot of really [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► amusing things like well they don't tell [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► me if I if I do like cilantro or not [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► spoiler I don't hate it but they like so [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► they tell you exactly but they they they [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► may explain that it has a genetic basis [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► there's a percentage of Neanderthal DNA [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► i have a high percentage me and only ok [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► so I'm feeling really didn't know we'd [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► need a service to tell us 90 90 gonna [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► say if you're related to Robert [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► Baratheon it's it doesn't say about if [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► they had this in the game of thrones [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► that would have been so useful [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► there's there's a Lannisters there's a [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► caffeine metabolization tendency which [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► is fascinating i discover how that my [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► wife and I because we both took the test [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► metabolize caffeine in different ways [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► which is really interesting you can find [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► relatives that you didn't know you had [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► not only is there some family tree stuff [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► in there but it will compare your [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► genetic profile and say this person is [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► probably a third cousin explain a jump [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► John I talk like ah you know why people [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► here are so like I think we need to get [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► as we need to get all the audio genetic [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► sound things income got a quarter [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► million members of 23andme so there's a [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► big database so they can do some really [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► interesting matches i also really like [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► when I went through this experience that [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► the the 23andme website is is very [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► understanding and and delicate i know [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► that a lot of people have fear of like [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► they're gonna tell me things that I'm [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► I'm concerned about that i might not [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► want to know about my medical history [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► about my relative history [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► nobody should know too much about their [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► futures so what the nice thing about [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► about the the 23andme website is that [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► every time there's something that might [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► be perceived as sensitive like do you [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► really want to know about your [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► percentage chance of this kind of gene [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► for a4 maybe maybe a cancer gene or [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► something like that or to disclose if [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► you have relatives you may not know you [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► have it asks which I really like so it's [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► not as if you [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► pandora's box is opened when you do this [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► test you can get as much information as [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► you want and as you're comfortable with [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► you can choose to share with the other [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► people in the service or not I had a lot [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► of fun doing this I found out a lot [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► about my ancestry which in my case [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► turned out to be you you're from [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► European stock during the Ice Age you [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► hit by the south-south part of europe by [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► the Mediterranean you literally honestly [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► yeah my people hid by the Mediterranean [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► they were all like winter is coming [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► winter is contractors come right and [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► wait for the ice to melt and then they [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► went back north and they went to the [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► British Isles are descended from white [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► Walker yes so exactly essentially that [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► that's the that's the case so that was [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► fascinating you know and and so you can [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► find out like maybe you've got ancestry [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► from all sorts of interest interesting [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► parts of the world so I knew I thought [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► it was I thought was really cool big [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► it's a fun service we have a we have a [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► special URL for incomparable listeners [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► it's 99 bucks remember when DNA [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► sequencing with science fiction [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► well now not only is it fact but it's [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► it's it's 99 bucks to do this you get [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► your data it goes in the database and [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► then there are all these web features [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► there is a website it's not a secret [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► it's 23andme dot-com / incomparable go [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► order the DNA kit and find out about who [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► you are where you came from and if you [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► like cilantro or not what you already [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► know but now you can find out why that [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► when people make fun of you for not [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► liking the cilantro that's in the [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► welcome only you could say it's in my [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► genes she's like battle definitely [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► sounds more informative than the last [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► time I spat into been mailed it off but [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► that's right i'm sure that worked well [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► for you that's right so thank you 23 me [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► for keeping this podcast afloat this [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► world has another good thing going for [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► in that everybody who wants power [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► shouldn't be allowed to have it which is [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► pretty thing seems realistic because [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► like Ned does not want power he was the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► only one worthy of it and everybody else [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► wanted wants to be king wants to gain [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► territories and every single one of them [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► to a person you is like bad in some way [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► you know and the only people who [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► actually seem to have any goodness don't [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► want power would try to reject it if it [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► was offered and that's an idealistic way [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► to look at the world right like the only [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► people who are deserving of power the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► ones who don't want it because they're [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► the ones who will really quick and worse [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► guy that people who are to have it [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► thrust upon them [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► it destroys them and and with Ned it's [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► quite literally destroyed him and with [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► Tyrion he gets his first opportunity [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► they tried to kill him and they kicked [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► him out into the into the cellar and he [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► did a good job with his power when he [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► had thrust upon him but they don't they [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► kick them out so those people you know [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► we we wish for them to have the power [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► even though they don't want it but it [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► doesn't end well for them so i love that [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► there's no real good solution it's kind [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► of it's kind of like Vera see more [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► sympathetic because Littlefinger wants [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► power you do not want him to have it [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► like that climb speeches like are we [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► always knew he was like but also you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► feel like he's never going to get it [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► because he has many schemes and whatever [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► but like the season where they say [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► underachiever he could if he could set [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► the whole world on fire and rule over [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► the ashes he would write yeah him and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► but Vera seems like he's like I'm not [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► actually going to pursue pi want to have [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► power and control within the world that [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► we have it but he is not angling to be [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► can he's amazingly sympathetic III in [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► the books i never found him that [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► sympathetic but in especially the last [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► episode of the season heat you get the [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► sense that he does have a lot of limits [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► to what he will do and he's playing a [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► game that isn't for his personal yeah [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► everything is he has got to get [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► something that he's working toward but [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► it's not all seeing exalted also stupid [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► code button and the thing with Paris [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► that they do it it's hard to tell with [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► theirs because the books i always did [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► like him in the books and I think the [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► trick was it's hard with him even more [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► than with Littlefinger to figure out [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► exactly like little [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► you're used to assume he's always lying [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► no matter who he's talking to right he's [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► always telling whatever will best serve [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► him in that moment various is a little [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► trickier but it's hard to tell exactly [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► where his allegiances lie do they even [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► have an allegiance in terms of I don't [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► think he has nobody told me that [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► decision he has a goal state of the [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► world and work towards making it that [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► state and that state is fairly [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► nonsensical but that's what he's working [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► towards and so right but he's it's hard [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► to tell like in that last episode he [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► comes across seeming very noble and [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► sympathetic when he offers to buy che [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► like a trip home [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► well I did but everything I believed him [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► when he said you're a complication [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► that's why i asked to go away like he [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► doesn't care about her safety [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► nobody but he's like you it would be [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► easier for me to plot if you're not here [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► right now but he also he also think in [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► some ways you have to also remember that [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► that means she distracts Tyrion which he [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► plays off as you might get him killed [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► but the same time having Tyrion not [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► around would also be one less [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► complication for him yeah someone who's [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► actually closer to let I think he would [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► rather use Tyrion to get things done and [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► then the same killed off everything like [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► the thing i would think it was getting [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► at is like if she is killed [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► that's going to make tiering flip out [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► and flipped out Tyrion is much more [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► difficult to manipulate and work with [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► you know well and also have flipped out [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► che is enough to make the whole [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► situation go catastrophic very quickly [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► because she knows quite a lot [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► yeah yeah it has access to the of the [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► man but if he but he was little finger [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► he would just shake killed since being a [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► little bit little finger there that is [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► another way to read that is that little [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► fingers kind of putting the moves on [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► science' but then Santa gets coupled [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► with Tyrion so by keeping che out of the [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► picture she's keeping Sansa attached to [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► Tyrion which maybe foils what little [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► finger was trying to do plus a little [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► fingers obsessed with that there's a [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► Batali women there's a there's a reason [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► that they call him the spider [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► yes very his web his games that he's [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► playing fascinating character so John [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► I'd be interested to hear what you think [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► Littlefinger is up to the way they've [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► been playing him in the series is that [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► that he at once personal power and he [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► believes it is possible to through a [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► series of law a long game of doing moves [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► that he can somehow rise to power by [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► causing everyone else to fall down like [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► a bit personal power is his goal and [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► that they haven't given enough back to [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► review [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► understand why then he's just like a [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► megalomaniac but like in this world is [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► such a class system it's so hard to come [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► from anything except for already having [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► a name to getting one and he's like he's [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► like the American Dream trying to come [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► to pass the only way the American Dream [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► time passes by a terrible terrible [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► person doing terrible things and I just [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► get the feeling it's not gonna work out [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► for him because like he's gonna learn in [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► the end you can never overcome the fact [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► that you are noble born and all these [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► schemes and everything will just make [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► you a terrible person and eventually you [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► will fail to gain power [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► so that's my impression of him and he's [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► not particularly simple thing like when [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► they had him being in love with [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► what's-his-name the meds wife even [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► Catlett yeah i think they want us to [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► believe that was a real thing or [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► something but he's so slimy that you're [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► like no I don't believe I know I think [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► that's his childhood obsession right is [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► never got her in that lost obsession now [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► we're just now he's playing a game [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► because he's mad that he didn't get her [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► yeah but but even money stay with it was [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► like more of a selfish thing like it [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► wasn't like I can be loved like yellow [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► one child childhood obsession like [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► that's the thing i wanted when i was [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► doing better [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► yeah and now i want to get it but I [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► really can't happen it's dark and he [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► just needs that learning everything [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► don't worry you won't do anything [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► anymore no nothing will rob or catlin or [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► who else or anybody else who'd all those [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► people who died [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► yeah I was always told i was [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► structurally benign disease while [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► watching you know thinking of it from a [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► perspective of people who haven't read [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► the books so you know there's that in in [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► season one it was always for me the [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► linework ned stark says I'll tell you [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► about your mother next time i see you [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► man [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► and so that for me there was this the [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► season it was the scene where the the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► hound has area and is riding up the [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► river on the third out the times always [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► people see them in today that are and [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► it's like okay but you get like [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► everything but I'm getting excited about [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► like oh they're finally gonna get [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► reunited her brother brother brother [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► that everything's gonna be okay [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► instead it's good she didn't get there [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► in time or she wouldn't I exactly it was [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► another another lucky break for aria [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► yeah our hero our hero arts [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► seven-year-old psychopath I mean that [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► last message in this episode we're like [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► 15 minutes we're buying where you just [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► you have her stabbed the guy death and [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► then you just look at our holding the [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► power Morgan like I was a bad light [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► think her and I said I grow up I'm going [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► to be an assassin to the scene me right [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► before that where she goes up to the guy [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► and says like yeah sure like the look on [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► her face my god we get you're sitting [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► there especially because you know who [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► she is you know in terms of like what [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► kind of what she's been through and what [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► she wants to do and what she's been [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► exposed to [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► you're like oh that guy's about my [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► murder cheese filled with a righteous [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► anger because she killed those people [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► were bad like they were making you know [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► I mean especially when acted like they [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► were you know they had killed her family [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► and they're joking about it now and [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► she's all her anger is righteous anger [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► she doesn't have like she doesn't that's [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► why we're still at this point routing [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► very is crazy she maybe then you said oh [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► she's gonna become an assassin that's [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► that's basically a noble profession is [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► working again gonna with the code and [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► act like you like Jake when right he was [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► he was kind of noble yeah I'll kill some [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► people for you and then all right enjoy [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► like you know that is the code that [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► makes these financial sense of the [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► regular you you pay me or exchange some [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► things and i will give you my service my [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► services I kill people you know it's not [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► me as they say in grosse pointe blank [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah you get a double play [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► with that the I'm pen year the the the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► other funny things she's with this guy [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► who she says is a monster and a killer [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► but we're reminded of what's happening [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► with her when he gets her after she they [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► kill all those people and all he has to [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► say that where is warn me the next time [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► you will get right right now I mean that [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► technology's give me a heads-up how does [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► always a very interesting character in [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► the book because he's not a nice guy and [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► money not he's he's lived the life of [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► someone who kills people and that's his [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► job and you know it protects people and [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► kills people but he doesn't have any [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► allegiance to one particular thing he [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► does his job but he has to do it but [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► they given that vulnerability being [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► scared of fires you're like all four [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► hand as he slaughters more people yeah [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► but there when they leave but he's not [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► all bad you know right i mean he said [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► you had simply because he could've just [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► you know if he was it was just a [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► vengeful evil person he could just [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► killed area like ye are left her a lot [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► of demand for why even entertain like [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► when she's at the rock over his head [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► doing the thing is a hoot doing stuff [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► that that is the he's doing that because [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► you can tell that's his version of [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► affection for her also telling to their [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► telling her i'll give you one shot in my [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► also he thinks he thinks that she's got [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► value [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► and he's did that as part of its part of [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► it is that i keep her alive and maybe i [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► can find some way to make this right but [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► you could have his hog tighter and like [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► not dealt with her crap but he was [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► willing to put up with her silliness [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► because he knew basically wasn't a [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► threat and he has a simple yes and I [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► have to say you think they did a really [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► nice job with him in the scene where he [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► fights beric Dondarrion before you know [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► area explains where his fear of fire [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► comes from his job acting in that scene [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► was like are gonna take this guy and [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► this light sword on fire you see you go [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► like eyes wide like crap you know that [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► he does a nice job with that I thought [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► you and me and he's on his way and I but [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► it's not he's not cool he doesn't know [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► why did have to be snakes right you guys [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► man that's because you wouldn't say if [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► you were actually afraid of snakes you [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► wouldn't say why that's me she would not [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► be wouldn't go anywhere in there [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► yes that's right well that the end there [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► when the the slaughter is starting to [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► happen at twins he's gonna come over [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► like now this people which is a fire [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► we're gonna go go [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► there's fire any savvy like a lot of [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► people are sadly picks up the banner so [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► you can go out and not be you know the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► banner of the opposing sides yeah nice [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► smart anything else we should talk about [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► about game of thrones before we move on [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► I really love the scenes that they [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► inserted with Davos and Gendry so we [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► don't in the books there's a different [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► character in the books this year i give [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► me anything there's another Roberts [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► bastard but they decided obviously we [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► already have a band behind them we had [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► yesterday was against a likeable [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► character together you have a lot to do [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► women in the books he is very much more [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► of a like everyone after him because [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► he's the pastor but we don't get much [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► out of him [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► I'm Andy making he ends up staying [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► fields in the books means of staying [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► with the Brotherhood banners and this [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► one he rides on get sold by the [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► Brotherhood without banners will not in [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► the books he doesn't get so no go to buy [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► them right but it shows how other way [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► around and sell them to that else and so [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► I really enjoyed human and davos I felt [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► like there was a good rapport there i [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► love davos he's one of my favorite care [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► greater union a connector [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► yes greater is to read shireen you know [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► what I found their use of shireen in [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► this season 2 shireen the daughter [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► daughter yeah he's got the grayscale oh [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► yeah what that is called adults sheet a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► quality Z's in the book she's introduced [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► a full she would have technically been [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► introduced last season because she [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► appears very briefly in the set [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► can rock but that when actors and we [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► need yeah they held her off and they [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► also combined her with a gesture [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► character who I don't know if you'll [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► meet in the in the TV show but who also [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► appears in books in book 2 and shereen i [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► don't know if you caught was singing one [TS]