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00:00:00   attention podcast listener rlg 74 you're [TS]

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00:00:11   rlg 74 were you born in 1974 where [TS]

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00:00:27   incomparable number 154 artists 2030 [TS]

00:00:34   go back everybody to the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:37   i'm your host Jason Snell and tonight [TS]

00:00:39   we're going to talk about a really great [TS]

00:00:42   comic this is technically a comedy club [TS]

00:00:44   episode of the Lisa and Jason my usual [TS]

00:00:47   compatriots are here but I've got a [TS]

00:00:48   great group of people who have read this [TS]

00:00:50   comic it's from an image comics it's by [TS]

00:00:52   Brian cable on and Fiona staples and [TS]

00:00:55   it's called saga will talk about it a [TS]

00:00:58   little before firing off the spoiler [TS]

00:00:59   horn what we're going to cover in this [TS]

00:01:03   episode in total will be the first 12 [TS]

00:01:05   issues of saga which is volume 1 volume [TS]

00:01:08   2 of the trade paperback so you can buy [TS]

00:01:10   on Amazon will have links in the show [TS]

00:01:12   notes really weird and good comic and [TS]

00:01:16   I'm looking forward to talking about for [TS]

00:01:18   the next hour with these three excellent [TS]

00:01:19   guests Dan Morgan hi dan I Jason it's a [TS]

00:01:23   pleasure beyond the complicated i'm an [TS]

00:01:24   occasional comic readers time comic book [TS]

00:01:27   club burr yeah it's exciting to have you [TS]

00:01:29   in the comic book club I didn't know you [TS]

00:01:30   read comic books and I read many comic [TS]

00:01:32   books [TS]

00:01:33   Wow not as many as many times as many as [TS]

00:01:35   Tony sindelar you heard skeptically [TS]

00:01:37   questioning down there that is why I get [TS]

00:01:39   most of my comics from tony and so and [TS]

00:01:42   Tony you also i are famous for your love [TS]

00:01:44   Batman it's true was not in saga i [TS]

00:01:47   should say this is not the saga of the [TS]

00:01:48   Batman and not yet i'm really happy to [TS]

00:01:52   be here [TS]

00:01:52   um you know saga is has been described [TS]

00:01:54   as some people as a star wars for [TS]

00:01:56   perverts and you guys are two of the [TS]

00:01:58   let's say biggest star wars fans yeah [TS]

00:02:00   thank you and Merlin Mann is also back [TS]

00:02:05   for his third time on the incomparable [TS]

00:02:07   can you believe it [TS]

00:02:08   hat trick and never thought would happen [TS]

00:02:10   thanks for having me I'm glad I'm glad [TS]

00:02:12   you could you could come so bryan cave [TS]

00:02:14   on you know i first discovered his work [TS]

00:02:18   with y the last man which is excellent [TS]

00:02:21   and then i also read his entire run on [TS]

00:02:24   will run his entire encompassing story [TS]

00:02:28   of ex machina with which lisa Schmeisser [TS]

00:02:30   recommended to me and I actually liked a [TS]

00:02:31   lot and he closed both of those books up [TS]

00:02:35   finish their stories and his next big [TS]

00:02:37   project in the comics world because he's [TS]

00:02:40   also executive producing under the dome [TS]

00:02:42   the Stephen King summer TV show and he's [TS]

00:02:44   got screenplays and TV shows and all of [TS]

00:02:46   that but it worked [TS]

00:02:47   and then work on lost they did work on [TS]

00:02:49   lost for a while and read some good [TS]

00:02:50   episodes of lost and now his new comic [TS]

00:02:53   project is saga which has been out for a [TS]

00:02:56   little more than a year and it is i [TS]

00:02:59   don't i don't even know where to start [TS]

00:03:00   with this how it when the non spoiler [TS]

00:03:03   spoiler light portion before we fire out [TS]

00:03:05   the spoiler horn you know how would how [TS]

00:03:08   would we describe I mean Tony said it [TS]

00:03:09   was a it was a star wars for perverts i [TS]

00:03:12   was going to say it's a it's a fairytale [TS]

00:03:14   but not the nice friendly kind of [TS]

00:03:16   fairytale especially given that the [TS]

00:03:19   first thing we hear a character say is [TS]

00:03:22   is is the f-word as she's got a leg [TS]

00:03:25   splayed and she's giving birth so uh huh [TS]

00:03:28   it's late it's more historically [TS]

00:03:30   accurate fairytale yes general Grimm's [TS]

00:03:32   fairy tales right it's got that dark [TS]

00:03:34   aspect that's exactly what my wife said [TS]

00:03:37   and so much so I'm inclined to agree [TS]

00:03:40   with you can just as I'm inclined to [TS]

00:03:42   always agree with what my wife says yes [TS]

00:03:44   Dan yes I mean sure we're on a podcast [TS]

00:03:47   together I think we're married in some [TS]

00:03:49   units and on and the podcast marriage [TS]

00:03:51   you start with the podcast marriage [TS]

00:03:53   where do you go from there to lying cats [TS]

00:03:55   i think so people have read and [TS]

00:03:57   understand that yet [TS]

00:03:59   Merlin how would you did how would you [TS]

00:04:01   describe saga if you were trying to [TS]

00:04:02   describe it to somebody and tell them [TS]

00:04:03   why they should read it [TS]

00:04:05   um I've heard a lot of people make the [TS]

00:04:08   star wars comparison and that never I [TS]

00:04:11   didn't and I guess I kind of get that [TS]

00:04:12   superficially but without spoiling it i [TS]

00:04:16   would just say it's it's it's a love [TS]

00:04:18   story in a world of proxies it's a in [TS]

00:04:22   some ways it is very much the Romeo and [TS]

00:04:24   Juliet story about these two sides are [TS]

00:04:26   part of a huge proxy war in this fantasy [TS]

00:04:30   world it is full of really remember the [TS]

00:04:34   first time you saw the cantina scene and [TS]

00:04:36   you're like wow that guy has a [TS]

00:04:38   hammerhead and just about every couple [TS]

00:04:40   of pages there is some new it's like an [TS]

00:04:42   alligator Butler it's full of fancy of [TS]

00:04:44   creatures that is totally delightful and [TS]

00:04:47   you know what we will talk i'm sure in [TS]

00:04:48   some detail about the gosh half-dozen [TS]

00:04:50   aspects that make this really unique but [TS]

00:04:53   i would say it is a really big fantasy [TS]

00:04:55   story that it probably oscillates [TS]

00:04:58   between like the deepest like [TS]

00:05:01   I'm sobbing two or three times in some [TS]

00:05:03   issues with some of the most graphic [TS]

00:05:05   violence and extreme extreme like really [TS]

00:05:09   graphic sexual content i've ever seen [TS]

00:05:11   yep such that i can read a bunch of it [TS]

00:05:14   to my daughter skipping two pages of it [TS]

00:05:16   at a time but I really really really [TS]

00:05:18   need to skip those two pages because it [TS]

00:05:20   might be a crowd lady with a vagina or [TS]

00:05:22   her intestines hanging out [TS]

00:05:24   no spoilers but i know i think it's i [TS]

00:05:26   think it's a big story told in small [TS]

00:05:27   details about a world where even love is [TS]

00:05:30   not with proxies it's that's the theme [TS]

00:05:33   that comes through for me and doesn't [TS]

00:05:34   really begin to describe what makes it [TS]

00:05:36   so special and human oddly enough but [TS]

00:05:38   yeah well I mean how much you guys [TS]

00:05:39   describe it you know what came to mind [TS]

00:05:41   when i was reading was it's like it it's [TS]

00:05:43   a family drama in some ways right like [TS]

00:05:45   it and that's what I one of the things I [TS]

00:05:47   really appreciate what about is that it [TS]

00:05:49   oscillates as you were saying between [TS]

00:05:50   this like stuff that's just crazy like [TS]

00:05:53   insane like I think they legitimately [TS]

00:05:56   almost set out to top themselves right [TS]

00:05:58   in every issue like okay you thought we [TS]

00:05:59   couldn't get any weirder for me hard [TS]

00:06:01   yeah exactly and so but it this but the [TS]

00:06:05   stuff that's important to it is the the [TS]

00:06:08   Corvette is mundane and it'sit's but [TS]

00:06:10   it's beautiful and it's monday nity [TS]

00:06:12   right like it's about being a parent for [TS]

00:06:14   the first time and about how you're [TS]

00:06:16   gonna raise your child and about all [TS]

00:06:19   these these concerns are just getting [TS]

00:06:20   buy-in that I think resonate very well [TS]

00:06:23   with the kind of situations that a lot [TS]

00:06:24   of people run into even if they don't [TS]

00:06:26   run into Giants you know with clubs and [TS]

00:06:28   you know general hanging out like you [TS]

00:06:30   know like you do [TS]

00:06:32   yeah it's I i wouldn't call it Star Wars [TS]

00:06:34   either I i love the fact that it is [TS]

00:06:35   almost say it's a a a fairytale style [TS]

00:06:40   story or a fantasy story you could say [TS]

00:06:42   but it's so much of our fantasy is it is [TS]

00:06:47   a tradition from 50 years ago or a [TS]

00:06:49   hundred years ago or 200 years ago [TS]

00:06:52   there's a lot of medieval is amanda lynn [TS]

00:06:54   a lot of fantasy not all but a lot of it [TS]

00:06:56   and what strikes me about this is this [TS]

00:06:58   is fantasy for people who know all the [TS]

00:07:01   sci-fi tropes know the star wars tropes [TS]

00:07:04   and so I think the best example is the [TS]

00:07:06   first to get they get a pirate map i [TS]

00:07:10   should say in the amazing first issue [TS]

00:07:12   and and again we're being light on the [TS]

00:07:14   spoiler so far [TS]

00:07:14   you cannot fire Matt they're ready to [TS]

00:07:16   throw out because it looks so stupid [TS]

00:07:17   yeah because it's a pirate map and it's [TS]

00:07:19   got written on it [TS]

00:07:21   rocketship forest and i love that [TS]

00:07:23   because it's it's all of this fantasy [TS]

00:07:25   shorthand but there it's the rocketship [TS]

00:07:29   forest so there-there is all that sort [TS]

00:07:32   of sci-fi stuff and these are alien ish [TS]

00:07:35   people somebody on one planet somebody [TS]

00:07:37   on another planet they're on a different [TS]

00:07:38   planet they there there's a species with [TS]

00:07:40   sort of the ray guns in the species with [TS]

00:07:42   magic but it's able to play with all the [TS]

00:07:46   sci-fi stuff to which is not to say that [TS]

00:07:49   i would call it syfy but i would say [TS]

00:07:51   that it's got all of those campaigns [TS]

00:07:54   yell at all those colors in its palette [TS]

00:07:56   that it can use to on top of the pirate [TS]

00:07:58   maps and the strange give ghosts in the [TS]

00:08:02   forest and things like that they stumble [TS]

00:08:04   on through these first 12 issues and i [TS]

00:08:06   mean i don't know i i've read so little [TS]

00:08:09   of the fantasy genre i would not be [TS]

00:08:10   welcome in the Syracuse home runs for so [TS]

00:08:12   many reasons but you know and not take a [TS]

00:08:15   deeper dive but like it has really big [TS]

00:08:18   fan expensive really big themes it is it [TS]

00:08:20   is very Shakespearean in the way that [TS]

00:08:23   it's approached in many ways but then [TS]

00:08:25   you've also got a guy who's phone locks [TS]

00:08:26   up because it's trying to download an [TS]

00:08:27   app he has his spaceship makes a boob so [TS]

00:08:31   when he locks it and I mean there's [TS]

00:08:33   there's endless references everywhere to [TS]

00:08:35   like get like this mechanics place has a [TS]

00:08:36   garage door [TS]

00:08:37   it's just it's made out of Dragon bone [TS]

00:08:39   right that constant juxtaposition of the [TS]

00:08:42   familiar with the completely outlandish [TS]

00:08:44   look is non-stop there are a couple of [TS]

00:08:46   phone calls that happen because [TS]

00:08:48   everybody's got their cellphones and [TS]

00:08:49   where they actually comment on I've got [TS]

00:08:51   a really crappy signal here and they're [TS]

00:08:53   calling like across the galaxy but they [TS]

00:08:56   still have all of these all of these [TS]

00:08:58   shorthand things from our modern world [TS]

00:09:00   put in this crazy sci-fi world there's [TS]

00:09:03   apparently still still high school and [TS]

00:09:05   super super space what you would call [TS]

00:09:07   high school [TS]

00:09:08   well one yes one race has high school [TS]

00:09:10   and the other does not know what must [TS]

00:09:13   that be like uh-huh that's alien man i [TS]

00:09:16   don't understand it well I my problem is [TS]

00:09:18   I'm when it comes to comments i'm new to [TS]

00:09:20   this but I'm also extremely chris farley [TS]

00:09:22   about it when that guy is just like it [TS]

00:09:23   was really good you should read it but [TS]

00:09:25   just for one big picture part of it [TS]

00:09:26   and I think it does help to just think a [TS]

00:09:28   little bit about how nice a proxy was a [TS]

00:09:30   proxy war going on it's been going on [TS]

00:09:32   for years I explain this to my daughter [TS]

00:09:34   today [TS]

00:09:34   yes about how you know this is a lot [TS]

00:09:36   like what happens in the real world [TS]

00:09:37   where their first of all you got two [TS]

00:09:39   sides that have been fighting about [TS]

00:09:40   something for so long that nobody knows [TS]

00:09:42   why they're fighting they don't know why [TS]

00:09:44   it began but in the case of something [TS]

00:09:46   like you know the troubles in in Ireland [TS]

00:09:48   or in South Africa it doesn't matter [TS]

00:09:51   Hatfields and McCoys like your people [TS]

00:09:52   have been killed enough that it goes on [TS]

00:09:53   forever [TS]

00:09:54   there's a giant planet that is like that [TS]

00:09:56   the Empire maybe but the giant ruling [TS]

00:09:58   planet which is people with wings and in [TS]

00:10:00   this case there's basically this small [TS]

00:10:01   moon of what are essentially terrorists [TS]

00:10:04   that are magic people with horns right i [TS]

00:10:06   mean is that one way to frame it and [TS]

00:10:08   it's been in but it's all being fought [TS]

00:10:09   mainly by proxies at this point right [TS]

00:10:11   like you've got the robot people and all [TS]

00:10:13   that stuff but that's one way to think [TS]

00:10:14   of it is like that yes against the [TS]

00:10:15   tapestry of this war has been going on [TS]

00:10:18   for a very long time that nobody has any [TS]

00:10:19   stake in apart from the fact that they [TS]

00:10:21   just have to keep fighting it looks like [TS]

00:10:23   i'll give the let me see if I can give a [TS]

00:10:25   top-level summer here so what saga is [TS]

00:10:27   about is about two soldiers in this war [TS]

00:10:30   one from a race that has pointed ears [TS]

00:10:35   and wings but otherwise looks like [TS]

00:10:37   people and one that looks like people [TS]

00:10:40   but has horns like ram horns like curly [TS]

00:10:43   ram for antlers or antlers i guess you [TS]

00:10:46   could say whatever the little ram horns [TS]

00:10:48   anyway [TS]

00:10:49   ram antlers fine i apologize to the rams [TS]

00:10:52   the the st. Louis well but then there's [TS]

00:10:54   the one guy interrogation I think these [TS]

00:10:56   varieties like races is also the Rhino [TS]

00:10:58   guy [TS]

00:10:58   yeah there's around some of them are [TS]

00:10:59   clearly analyst getting some of them [TS]

00:11:01   have appointed deer antlers [TS]

00:11:03   yes sir yeah well known and the wings [TS]

00:11:05   are different too right yeah the guy [TS]

00:11:06   that gets interrogated by Prince robot [TS]

00:11:08   like smoking right now so that so their [TS]

00:11:09   wing people and they're like the horn [TS]

00:11:11   people and the horn people use magic and [TS]

00:11:13   the wing people use technology it seems [TS]

00:11:16   more or less and star-crossed lovers you [TS]

00:11:19   know we meet them [TS]

00:11:20   havin they're havin a baby there from [TS]

00:11:22   these two different races we very [TS]

00:11:23   rapidly discover that this is this is [TS]

00:11:26   not just a little bit bad oh it happens [TS]

00:11:28   sometimes it's really bad and both sides [TS]

00:11:31   are trying to kill them [TS]

00:11:33   Andy and take their baby because this [TS]

00:11:36   just can't be done it would be bad for [TS]

00:11:37   optics for the president of the one [TS]

00:11:40   group to have this be knowledge that [TS]

00:11:42   their that any cohabitation any [TS]

00:11:45   interaction that isn't war could happen [TS]

00:11:47   between these two races so that it's set [TS]

00:11:50   on the scale of this planet that is [TS]

00:11:52   beset by war where they were both [TS]

00:11:54   fighting and they run away and they have [TS]

00:11:58   a baby and just after they have the baby [TS]

00:12:00   there they're caught and they're there [TS]

00:12:02   they have to escape and they're on the [TS]

00:12:04   run and they're trying to get off this [TS]

00:12:06   planet because both sides in this giant [TS]

00:12:07   galaxy-spanning war are trying to kill [TS]

00:12:10   them and essentially that's the story [TS]

00:12:12   and and the side stories are involved [TS]

00:12:15   the bounty hunter who is hired to kill [TS]

00:12:18   them and and take the baby back a a [TS]

00:12:22   prince who is also a robot except he's [TS]

00:12:26   got the body of a man but the head of a [TS]

00:12:27   television set who just lost his leg [TS]

00:12:30   fighting a hellish war for two years [TS]

00:12:32   right but had it reattached or or had a [TS]

00:12:34   new leg attached or whatever very [TS]

00:12:36   strange and he's sent also to go to go [TS]

00:12:40   get them [TS]

00:12:40   so I it so there are a bunch of [TS]

00:12:43   different players in this crazy crazy [TS]

00:12:46   story but it's essentially about these [TS]

00:12:49   two star-crossed lovers who were just [TS]

00:12:50   trying to get away and they just had a [TS]

00:12:52   baby and they're being pursued by [TS]

00:12:54   everybody else in the galaxy and we [TS]

00:12:56   should also say one of the really [TS]

00:12:57   wonderful touches in this story is that [TS]

00:12:59   it's narrated by the baby as an adult [TS]

00:13:03   and she's telling you the story and this [TS]

00:13:06   is where you get some of that fairytale [TS]

00:13:07   tone she's telling you her life story [TS]

00:13:09   from the beginning but because it's her [TS]

00:13:12   as an adult you get those moments where [TS]

00:13:14   she's alluding to things that are going [TS]

00:13:17   to happen in the future just to give it [TS]

00:13:19   some extra ominous tone Eileen normally [TS]

00:13:23   when you read something like that you'd [TS]

00:13:25   see a box in Marvel anyway you see a [TS]

00:13:27   rectangular box usually in the upper [TS]

00:13:29   left-hand corner [TS]

00:13:30   yes the narrow for the narration right [TS]

00:13:32   in this case there's like a girl's [TS]

00:13:34   handwriting just kind of you know i'm [TS]

00:13:36   guessing the narrator feels like a young [TS]

00:13:38   young adults and older team but it's [TS]

00:13:40   written in this kind of girls you know [TS]

00:13:42   handwriting just kind of background the [TS]

00:13:46   page around the graphics it and it's [TS]

00:13:49   like you say there's a lot to it that's [TS]

00:13:51   it's a nice it's almost 36 [TS]

00:13:53   is almost like a chorus a lot of times [TS]

00:13:55   it's something that contrast heavily [TS]

00:13:57   with what we're looking at and reading [TS]

00:13:59   we do you know what I mean it kind of [TS]

00:14:00   puts it in relief and and very much from [TS]

00:14:03   the very beginning is dropping these [TS]

00:14:04   hints about stuff that you don't you [TS]

00:14:06   know the one man who broke my heart like [TS]

00:14:08   who's that like I don't know that is you [TS]

00:14:09   know about it that's the framing device [TS]

00:14:12   for all of this is that and it opens the [TS]

00:14:13   door to this took being told slightly [TS]

00:14:15   out of sequence at certain points i [TS]

00:14:17   almost feel like the narration with just [TS]

00:14:19   the text right over the sum of the [TS]

00:14:20   visuals kind of feels almost a little [TS]

00:14:22   bit more like the style and some [TS]

00:14:23   children books which is of course then [TS]

00:14:25   weird with the very adult image and [TS]

00:14:28   sometimes seven [TS]

00:14:29   yeah like a children's books did you [TS]

00:14:31   read geez [TS]

00:14:32   acceptable losses sob without but that's [TS]

00:14:37   part of the combination that makes this [TS]

00:14:38   very interesting is this is a rated M [TS]

00:14:40   for Mature comic book and yet it has [TS]

00:14:43   this very interesting mixture of tones [TS]

00:14:45   this is a story for adults but it is a [TS]

00:14:48   story told in the two you know in the [TS]

00:14:51   all the tools of something we think of [TS]

00:14:54   as a as a mythical kind of story for [TS]

00:14:56   kids but this isn't for kids it's a it's [TS]

00:14:58   a fascinating combination Merlin I'm so [TS]

00:15:01   glad that you mentioned the the way the [TS]

00:15:03   narration is written I was going to [TS]

00:15:04   mention that it's great and I i was [TS]

00:15:07   especially noticing there's a bit where [TS]

00:15:10   she points at a at a rocket ship while [TS]

00:15:14   she's describing it in the narration and [TS]

00:15:15   at the end of the sentence there's a [TS]

00:15:17   little arrow drawn and pointing at the [TS]

00:15:19   rocket ship that is being annotated [TS]

00:15:22   almost like it's a journal we have Fiona [TS]

00:15:24   staples you know just her artwork and I [TS]

00:15:28   believe she does the handwriting that's [TS]

00:15:30   it i just got a tooth from my friend [TS]

00:15:32   image Jennifer reduced lunches said that [TS]

00:15:34   the narration saga is actually and [TS]

00:15:36   staples yeah right it's amazing and and [TS]

00:15:39   so it looks great and that is that adds [TS]

00:15:42   to the quality of it that it's [TS]

00:15:43   handwritten on there it doesn't feel [TS]

00:15:45   like every other comic book with the box [TS]

00:15:48   with the text in it right it's it's not [TS]

00:15:50   all a straight line or anything it's [TS]

00:15:52   being written in a journal basically i [TS]

00:15:54   am more of a story person an art person [TS]

00:15:56   with comics but the art in saga is just [TS]

00:15:59   it's really impressive and I mean I've [TS]

00:16:01   been reading brand cave on stuff for a [TS]

00:16:02   long time and not to say the art in [TS]

00:16:04   his other titles was bad but the art in [TS]

00:16:07   the end up in saga is particularly [TS]

00:16:09   noteworthy it's really impressive and [TS]

00:16:10   people to check that out [TS]

00:16:12   yeah they have not already flipped [TS]

00:16:13   through yeah probably want to buy it [TS]

00:16:15   yes it doesn't it doesn't you know it [TS]

00:16:17   when I just try to describe this you [TS]

00:16:19   know i'll be that guy about stuff like [TS]

00:16:20   that I'm here talking about totoro or [TS]

00:16:24   you know the wire or arrested [TS]

00:16:26   development all these things like in the [TS]

00:16:27   case of some of those things where you [TS]

00:16:29   have to have a huge investment to like [TS]

00:16:30   basically commit to this big thing and [TS]

00:16:32   I've always feel like soccer has such a [TS]

00:16:34   place in my heart it such a small amount [TS]

00:16:36   of time that has been out and I want to [TS]

00:16:38   describe people to people in the way [TS]

00:16:39   that's gonna kind of most you know [TS]

00:16:41   resonate with them and it's it's really [TS]

00:16:43   difficult to pick out the one part of [TS]

00:16:45   this that grabs you the most because you [TS]

00:16:46   don't want to say like oh there's some [TS]

00:16:48   family stuff in here that really hits [TS]

00:16:50   close to home [TS]

00:16:51   I mean whether you have kids are not [TS]

00:16:52   especially if you have kids but if you [TS]

00:16:54   don't have kids you definitely have [TS]

00:16:55   grandparents and their stuff about this [TS]

00:16:56   is going to like really grab you even [TS]

00:16:58   though they're Rams or whatever you do [TS]

00:17:01   you know what I mean yeah it's not it's [TS]

00:17:03   not important I mean it's the same way [TS]

00:17:04   that you felt like you made a Star Wars [TS]

00:17:06   comparison a couple times with the same [TS]

00:17:07   way you felt like when you're like wow [TS]

00:17:08   okay maybe Yoda is just a puppet but [TS]

00:17:11   like you know there's an actual there's [TS]

00:17:13   an actual emotion conveyed by that right [TS]

00:17:15   star wars is not just about gunfights [TS]

00:17:16   right superficially it's about one thing [TS]

00:17:18   but it's hard it's really about [TS]

00:17:20   something else [TS]

00:17:21   I'm sorry I I couldn't talk way too much [TS]

00:17:23   about this because it's found such a [TS]

00:17:24   place in my life today I had absolutely [TS]

00:17:25   no problem reading all 12 issues again [TS]

00:17:27   up and and I IE there's so much to it [TS]

00:17:31   first of all in some ways I can't [TS]

00:17:33   believe how little happened over 12 [TS]

00:17:34   issues in some ways but at the same time [TS]

00:17:36   it's astonishing like how many quotable [TS]

00:17:39   lines and I don't know and I don't [TS]

00:17:42   overstate it but like really i'll just [TS]

00:17:44   say extremely memorable characters come [TS]

00:17:46   up in the space of those few issues [TS]

00:17:48   I'm I'm gotta be one of the in the top [TS]

00:17:50   5% of x-men fans of all time but you [TS]

00:17:53   could you could you could slide your way [TS]

00:17:55   through you know a hundred and fifty is [TS]

00:17:58   clear and not come up with quite this [TS]

00:18:00   mini like amazingly memorable lines and [TS]

00:18:03   characters even if they're just they're [TS]

00:18:04   like I say that the alligator Butler [TS]

00:18:06   just things that are in there for a [TS]

00:18:07   couple fart fart isn't in there for more [TS]

00:18:09   than what like four pages five pages but [TS]

00:18:11   nobody's ever going to forget the first [TS]

00:18:13   time they see fard [TS]

00:18:14   you know but it never it never gets away [TS]

00:18:16   like we should i say though about like [TS]

00:18:19   you or whatever Kermit the Frog you know [TS]

00:18:21   if if you know if Wayne Newton had sung [TS]

00:18:24   the rainbow connection that might have [TS]

00:18:26   been very touching but the fact that [TS]

00:18:27   it's a little felt frog in a boat with a [TS]

00:18:30   banjo like why does that make me want to [TS]

00:18:32   sob you know there's something about [TS]

00:18:34   this that makes it even more human in [TS]

00:18:36   some ways [TS]

00:18:37   well it touches something that it [TS]

00:18:39   touches something that is innate right [TS]

00:18:40   like that isn't yeah I don't know what [TS]

00:18:42   it is it's hard states in that is that [TS]

00:18:44   very intangible nature of it where it's [TS]

00:18:46   like anything when you watch a movie and [TS]

00:18:48   it's not like okay yeah there's [TS]

00:18:50   something that is that is texturally sad [TS]

00:18:52   about this because like what is [TS]

00:18:53   happening is sad but it makes you think [TS]

00:18:55   it's the it's the empathic response [TS]

00:18:57   right where it's like oh my god what if [TS]

00:18:58   that was me in this situation and like [TS]

00:19:01   you know what if I especially you know [TS]

00:19:03   we think about stuff and you talk about [TS]

00:19:05   me having kids [TS]

00:19:06   everybody's got parents to write like [TS]

00:19:07   think about your parents it's like oh my [TS]

00:19:08   god you know here's an example of [TS]

00:19:09   somebody losing a parent right like [TS]

00:19:11   everybody can relate to that to a [TS]

00:19:13   certain extent like everybody can relate [TS]

00:19:15   to the idea of losing a parent or a [TS]

00:19:17   loved one and i think that you know that [TS]

00:19:20   strikes home and makes us and especially [TS]

00:19:22   when it's done in a very genuine fashion [TS]

00:19:24   as opposed to in a very artificial [TS]

00:19:26   fashion which we see a lot of times in [TS]

00:19:28   certain things i think you know a lot of [TS]

00:19:29   a lot of superhero comics are prone to [TS]

00:19:31   do that like let's kill off a person [TS]

00:19:32   just like get a visceral response right [TS]

00:19:35   you know and it doesn't really have [TS]

00:19:37   necessarily the same kind of thing [TS]

00:19:38   especially because in most comic books [TS]

00:19:40   you know death is merely a temporary [TS]

00:19:41   obstacle whereas you know this it saga [TS]

00:19:45   does not seem like that kind of world [TS]

00:19:46   right you know stuff is permanent stuff [TS]

00:19:48   happens and it makes you leave scars and [TS]

00:19:50   and makes marks on people [TS]

00:19:51   alright let's talk for a moment about [TS]

00:19:53   our sponsor for this episode of the [TS]

00:19:55   uncomfortable we have a sponsor for the [TS]

00:19:56   stuff that we do we do this [TS]

00:19:59   I'm not it's not a practical joke no we [TS]

00:20:01   don't know I just saying like that we [TS]

00:20:03   don't always know about what was our [TS]

00:20:05   sponsor tell me this week on mass it's [TS]

00:20:08   called into it's a comic app which is [TS]

00:20:10   perfect for this episode because we're [TS]

00:20:11   talking about saga [TS]

00:20:12   it's called chunky comic reader and it's [TS]

00:20:15   an ipad app so i know i don't know if [TS]

00:20:18   you have GF comics that are in some some [TS]

00:20:20   of these various formats your CBR CBC's [TS]

00:20:23   yeah I might have a couple of PBR [TS]

00:20:24   Yankees lying around the pdfs might [TS]

00:20:28   three-letter mighty la's I've got [TS]

00:20:29   acronyms yeah that's some of those i got [TS]

00:20:31   a bunch of PDFs from Marvel I've got a [TS]

00:20:33   bunch of CBR that i downloaded from [TS]

00:20:35   various corners of the Internet of [TS]

00:20:36   comics that I own that are out of print [TS]

00:20:38   I mean I'm let's start on the up-and-up [TS]

00:20:40   here but you know the Micronauts are not [TS]

00:20:42   in print anymore and if i want to read [TS]

00:20:44   them on my iPad I can't imagine why them [TS]

00:20:46   anywhere so I have them downloaded i [TS]

00:20:48   know it is hard to well this legal [TS]

00:20:50   I'm just saying because I I think you [TS]

00:20:52   you may be the only person to have [TS]

00:20:54   invested in i don't i don't think that's [TS]

00:20:56   true [TS]

00:20:57   there there are many of us out there Dan [TS]

00:20:59   but very small sure your evil they are [TS]

00:21:00   the microbots they're tiny dancer can't [TS]

00:21:03   even see it anyway so you take a sheet [TS]

00:21:05   cbrc beezies pdfs these are comic book [TS]

00:21:08   formats and you can read them in they [TS]

00:21:11   don't read in something like comiXology [TS]

00:21:12   read them in an app like chunky comic [TS]

00:21:15   reader so chunky comic reader runs on [TS]

00:21:17   the iPad you can connect it to your mac [TS]

00:21:20   via or pc i suppose if you are that way [TS]

00:21:22   by USB and just drag the comic files [TS]

00:21:25   over you can also hook chunky comic [TS]

00:21:28   reader up to dropbox and you can load [TS]

00:21:30   your files over from dropbox and there [TS]

00:21:33   are other comic readers out there on the [TS]

00:21:35   app store but the cool thing about [TS]

00:21:36   chunky comic reader is that it makes [TS]

00:21:38   them look great it makes the comics look [TS]

00:21:41   great and it's focused on making your [TS]

00:21:42   comics look good and read really easily [TS]

00:21:46   which is the whole thing that is that's [TS]

00:21:48   kind of the point right of of a cop III [TS]

00:21:51   mean you don't want you don't read [TS]

00:21:52   comics look Carol that is looking at [TS]

00:21:55   them is the whole point so this [TS]

00:21:57   obviously it's only working with the drm [TS]

00:21:59   free stuff like we said see crc beezies [TS]

00:22:01   and PDFs but what they've done is the [TS]

00:22:04   developers have done a ton of work [TS]

00:22:05   behind the scenes to make them look [TS]

00:22:06   sharp and clear there are a couple [TS]

00:22:08   different modes if you're on an ipad 2 [TS]

00:22:10   or an ipad mini i was looking at this [TS]

00:22:12   earlier there's a mode that does some [TS]

00:22:14   really nice work so when it's assumed [TS]

00:22:15   out it does this nice [TS]

00:22:18   it's sort of like downsampling to make [TS]

00:22:19   it clear even though you're you're [TS]

00:22:21   looking at a much larger image in a [TS]

00:22:22   smaller space if you're on a Retina [TS]

00:22:24   display and you zoom really into it it [TS]

00:22:27   does some work to make it not look [TS]

00:22:28   blotchy it makes it a lot clearer by [TS]

00:22:30   upsampling it so that the whole idea [TS]

00:22:32   here is that it's gonna look good [TS]

00:22:35   turning the pages is kind of fun the [TS]

00:22:36   flipping effect is is this like it's [TS]

00:22:38   like a little almost like a blurry kind [TS]

00:22:40   of like the slides and [TS]

00:22:41   get the next page and it is i will say [TS]

00:22:45   this the best library organization that [TS]

00:22:48   I've seen from any ipad comic reader you [TS]

00:22:51   drag your files in and you open the app [TS]

00:22:53   and it's figured it out i don't know how [TS]

00:22:55   it does it I don't know how it knows it [TS]

00:22:58   automatically groups your comics by the [TS]

00:23:00   individual comics that they're in so [TS]

00:23:02   you'll see like particular series and a [TS]

00:23:04   bunch of covers and tap on one to read [TS]

00:23:06   it when you get to the end it'll prompt [TS]

00:23:08   you for the next one it's really really [TS]

00:23:10   nice [TS]

00:23:10   you might say that sits superpower it [TS]

00:23:12   could be I don't know how it gets it [TS]

00:23:14   could be a mutant app it's amazing apple [TS]

00:23:16   left to do this mutant app through the [TS]

00:23:18   app store did the Sentinels of the App [TS]

00:23:20   Store not sense for the cerebro if you [TS]

00:23:23   will if you want to go that way i don't [TS]

00:23:25   know i mix XP well all the better for us [TS]

00:23:28   right i mean that's that's really what [TS]

00:23:30   kind of sense so really chunky comic [TS]

00:23:32   reader show your comic some love it's [TS]

00:23:34   four bucks [TS]

00:23:36   although for the rest of august it's [TS]

00:23:38   gonna be two bucks i say i'm just [TS]

00:23:39   looking at right now six is very old and [TS]

00:23:42   it really does look good I was opening [TS]

00:23:44   up by open but micronauts i opened up [TS]

00:23:46   pdf I've got of the x-men i opened up a [TS]

00:23:48   PDF of sorts of the swashbucklers which [TS]

00:23:51   is a graphic novel that was available in [TS]

00:23:54   PDF that's by film at low in and which [TS]

00:23:57   guys who did micronauts because it all [TS]

00:23:59   comes back to the microphones with me [TS]

00:24:00   and and a bunch of other stuff so it's [TS]

00:24:03   just a really nice ipad comic reader so [TS]

00:24:06   if you are comic fan and you've got an [TS]

00:24:08   ipad you owe it to yourself to try [TS]

00:24:10   chunky comic reader its four bucks and [TS]

00:24:13   it's two bucks right now by the until [TS]

00:24:14   the end of august to point your browser [TS]

00:24:16   and chunky reader dot-com or just go to [TS]

00:24:18   the app store and search for chunky [TS]

00:24:20   comic reader the comics look great you [TS]

00:24:22   got a retina iPad makes those look [TS]

00:24:24   better to get my iPad Mini makes those [TS]

00:24:25   look better [TS]

00:24:26   it's a no-brainer chunky comic reader [TS]

00:24:28   and thanks to chunky comic reader for [TS]

00:24:30   fortuitously sponsoring this very [TS]

00:24:32   episode of the uncomfortable so before [TS]

00:24:35   we go any further I i think i'm going to [TS]

00:24:36   use this opportunity to fire off the [TS]

00:24:38   spoiler horn before you know we spoil [TS]

00:24:40   even more from these 12 issues [TS]

00:24:45   but before we get too deep into it i [TS]

00:24:49   wanted to say something immoral and [TS]

00:24:50   talked about these 12 issues and have a [TS]

00:24:52   hundred and fifty fifty issues with [TS]

00:24:53   chris claremont into trades 12 issues [TS]

00:24:58   and and some of these are these are [TS]

00:25:00   actually longer than your your standard [TS]

00:25:02   comic it and what impressed me about it [TS]

00:25:05   is is on one level on what level you [TS]

00:25:09   could say well what happened in these 12 [TS]

00:25:11   issues they were on one planet they got [TS]

00:25:13   their spaceship they floated around and [TS]

00:25:16   almost got sucked in a in a time suck [TS]

00:25:18   and then they went to visit the favorite [TS]

00:25:23   author of one of the main characters and [TS]

00:25:26   you could say not a lot happened but the [TS]

00:25:28   trade-off for not having it be like you [TS]

00:25:31   know I think they told the entire plot [TS]

00:25:33   of star wars in four issues in 1978 [TS]

00:25:36   right [TS]

00:25:37   what you get is the richness you've got [TS]

00:25:40   multiple storylines and you've got all [TS]

00:25:42   this detail and so although we don't we [TS]

00:25:45   don't have you know you get the sense [TS]

00:25:46   that the story may take awhile in terms [TS]

00:25:48   of issues what we get is so rich that [TS]

00:25:51   that really impressed me that that I'm [TS]

00:25:53   you know that one point I think we go an [TS]

00:25:57   entire issue or an issue and a little [TS]

00:25:59   bit where we've literally we haven't [TS]

00:26:02   gone back to the will who is the bounty [TS]

00:26:04   hunter he's exactly where we left him [TS]

00:26:06   like an issue and a half ago [TS]

00:26:07   it's that decompressed a story and i'm [TS]

00:26:10   not complaining about just I'm kind of I [TS]

00:26:12   think that's why they're able to provide [TS]

00:26:16   the richness that the story doesn't have [TS]

00:26:17   those characters is is they don't rush [TS]

00:26:20   it that that they take the time to have [TS]

00:26:23   character moments in in ways that some [TS]

00:26:26   some comics don't because they rush and [TS]

00:26:29   just wanna rip off as much plot as [TS]

00:26:31   possible and i don't want to say that [TS]

00:26:32   things don't happen to my god [TS]

00:26:34   lots of things happen thats exactly that [TS]

00:26:36   it's exactly what i was thinking I mean [TS]

00:26:38   you'll see [TS]

00:26:40   yes like me you may be able to describe [TS]

00:26:43   the main plot point of the story in a [TS]

00:26:45   paragraph without much problem but that [TS]

00:26:48   doesn't get you anywhere near what's [TS]

00:26:49   actually happening in and just to be [TS]

00:26:51   clear it isn't like a bust a gut thing [TS]

00:26:52   where somebody goes into a monologue for [TS]

00:26:54   six pages you know it's [TS]

00:26:56   it really there's no Bendis meetings in [TS]

00:26:59   this one [TS]

00:27:00   what do you think Black Panther nothing [TS]

00:27:04   no no absolutely end but but but you [TS]

00:27:07   might be interrupting also think about [TS]

00:27:09   the relatively small number of locations [TS]

00:27:11   i mean the Prince robot you know jumps [TS]

00:27:12   around and so forth but I mean there [TS]

00:27:14   aren't there like it isn't like you're [TS]

00:27:16   in a woman's i love about star wars is [TS]

00:27:18   marching towards parts stores is how and [TS]

00:27:20   especially the first movie how elegant [TS]

00:27:22   the storytelling is about moving from [TS]

00:27:24   location location and you get the white [TS]

00:27:26   and now we know that your little car is [TS]

00:27:28   driving into this crazy City where the [TS]

00:27:30   planes go [TS]

00:27:30   ok now we're in place this is most [TS]

00:27:32   likely right understand it there's a lot [TS]

00:27:34   of lot of very great pacing of the scene [TS]

00:27:37   changes but every scene change at least [TS]

00:27:40   from the family's point of view every [TS]

00:27:41   scene change every spaceship change and [TS]

00:27:44   I'll has a lot of portent to it you know [TS]

00:27:46   they don't just jump in like you know [TS]

00:27:48   they don't like Steve McQueen they don't [TS]

00:27:49   just jump into a different Mustang or [TS]

00:27:50   something [TS]

00:27:51   getting into this particular wooden [TS]

00:27:52   spaceship ends up having a lot of [TS]

00:27:54   significance to it and and that allows [TS]

00:27:57   them to let this story unwind in its own [TS]

00:27:58   way and something as simple as I mean [TS]

00:28:01   one more quick side note but there's [TS]

00:28:03   nothing about the delightfulness of this [TS]

00:28:05   that you can explain to anybody without [TS]

00:28:06   it sounding incredibly stupid [TS]

00:28:08   father-in-law that you just met made you [TS]

00:28:11   this really sexy bulletproof outfit out [TS]

00:28:13   of plants [TS]

00:28:14   what okay all right I not only to get [TS]

00:28:18   another one [TS]

00:28:18   okay there's this guy who has an [TS]

00:28:20   ex-girlfriend is kind of a crab with [TS]

00:28:22   lots of weapons and he has a cat can [TS]

00:28:23   tell whether you're telling the truth [TS]

00:28:25   ok anything no matter what no more no [TS]

00:28:27   matter what I tried none of the details [TS]

00:28:29   matter right for selling it to something [TS]

00:28:31   where's this pink blowing teen ghost who [TS]

00:28:34   has nothing is there a unicorn is there [TS]

00:28:36   a rainbow you like books with what with [TS]

00:28:40   guys with horns and you like books with [TS]

00:28:41   guys wings you're gonna love this one [TS]

00:28:42   couple i hope my opening line to every [TS]

00:28:44   person i try to turn onto this comic and [TS]

00:28:46   generally somite with there's no Hawkeye [TS]

00:28:48   and Sokka are the 2 comments were like [TS]

00:28:50   I'm gonna tell you once but then i'm [TS]

00:28:52   going to just buy your copy [TS]

00:28:53   dan does that sound familiar I read both [TS]

00:28:55   of those recently thanks to thanks to [TS]

00:28:56   its yeah basically those are the two [TS]

00:28:58   ones i'm recommending well no I just [TS]

00:28:59   thought i did it today i took my friend [TS]

00:29:01   comic store and bottom the two traits of [TS]

00:29:03   Hokkaido I'm gonna buy you this comic [TS]

00:29:05   and I want you to at least read the [TS]

00:29:06   first is [TS]

00:29:07   you have it but the thing I say to all [TS]

00:29:08   of them is let me just be upfront about [TS]

00:29:09   this nothing about this should work [TS]

00:29:11   describing this story to somebody [TS]

00:29:13   pitching this is somebody like like [TS]

00:29:15   totoro I guess nothing about this should [TS]

00:29:17   work [TS]

00:29:18   it sounds even the best parts of it [TS]

00:29:20   sounds so clichĂ©d I I go so far as to [TS]

00:29:22   say this is the kind of work that could [TS]

00:29:24   only come from somebody who had the the [TS]

00:29:27   background and the clout of bryan cave [TS]

00:29:30   on who had had these successful comics [TS]

00:29:32   in the past because otherwise I don't [TS]

00:29:35   know how you would even sell this and I [TS]

00:29:37   don't know who would pick it up but [TS]

00:29:39   people picked it up because it was the [TS]

00:29:40   new bryan cave on project and somebody [TS]

00:29:42   said yes because well you know bryan [TS]

00:29:44   cave on will let him do it and and I'm [TS]

00:29:47   not sure somebody else would have been [TS]

00:29:49   allowed to do it which it doesn't change [TS]

00:29:51   the fact that it's it's fantastic it's [TS]

00:29:53   just it's so hard to describe and it's [TS]

00:29:55   such a weird cell [TS]

00:29:57   yeah somebody else might have had a [TS]

00:29:58   harder time even if they produced it [TS]

00:29:59   getting it picked up right and in terms [TS]

00:30:01   of getting past five issues or six [TS]

00:30:03   issues right so we should let's let's [TS]

00:30:05   talk about the characters a little bit i [TS]

00:30:06   got that rather than trying to walk [TS]

00:30:09   through the plot I i think that the [TS]

00:30:11   merlons gotta write that the characters [TS]

00:30:12   here so interesting and since I fired [TS]

00:30:14   the spoiler horn and were free to talk [TS]

00:30:16   about these these characters so we [TS]

00:30:18   should start with our our protagonist i [TS]

00:30:22   guess i really want to talk about the [TS]

00:30:23   line cat but let's tighten and let's [TS]

00:30:25   start with our protagonist who are Marco [TS]

00:30:27   and Alana right yeah [TS]

00:30:29   mhm so Marco has he's the one with the [TS]

00:30:31   horns [TS]

00:30:32   yeah the muny he's a Moonie he's from [TS]

00:30:35   the moon the moon free and and and Alana [TS]

00:30:39   is this the soldier from the the main [TS]

00:30:43   planet whose landfall boo in done so uh [TS]

00:30:48   so Marco Marco is he's got horns we are [TS]

00:30:52   we established that he has vowed not to [TS]

00:30:55   use his sword B&B we learned that he is [TS]

00:31:00   a conscientious objector [TS]

00:31:02   whoo-hoo-hoo I'll tell you re reading it [TS]

00:31:05   was fascinating because not only do i [TS]

00:31:07   pick up a lot of the of subtle things [TS]

00:31:10   that I know I didn't notice before but I [TS]

00:31:11   picked up a lot of things that I said oh [TS]

00:31:13   he's planning that there to pay off [TS]

00:31:15   later like you think this is not [TS]

00:31:18   important now but in 13 issue [TS]

00:31:20   i'm going to say haha do you remember [TS]

00:31:22   when I said that her shirt was [TS]

00:31:23   bulletproof [TS]

00:31:24   well so Marco is conscientious objector [TS]

00:31:29   he's not going to use a sword anymore [TS]

00:31:30   he's taken prisoner and I and that's [TS]

00:31:34   where he meets Alana he surrendered on [TS]

00:31:36   the field yeah yeah because he didn't [TS]

00:31:38   want to fight anymore and then of course [TS]

00:31:39   he does eventually use his sword and [TS]

00:31:42   like kill an entire squadron of Whitney [TS]

00:31:44   people he's a little bit of a badass he [TS]

00:31:46   goes he goes totally berserker his wife [TS]

00:31:49   has to shoot him to get him to stop [TS]

00:31:51   killing people many breaks the sword in [TS]

00:31:54   order to get the the rocketship so so [TS]

00:31:57   and then he's got a family [TS]

00:31:59   I'm you know he's his mom and dad show [TS]

00:32:01   up in a wonderful wonderful sequence [TS]

00:32:04   that the last thing I think i was [TS]

00:32:06   expecting in the story with to have his [TS]

00:32:08   mom and dad show up that time my [TS]

00:32:10   grandparents up on the rocket ship they [TS]

00:32:14   were shooting at me i was shooting at [TS]

00:32:15   them anyway and he's got a he's got an [TS]

00:32:17   ex-girlfriend and their wedding rings [TS]

00:32:19   are actually the ones that he was [TS]

00:32:21   supposed to use with her but he gave it [TS]

00:32:23   to alana instead you know [TS]

00:32:26   good good character interesting [TS]

00:32:29   interesting i mean i-i didn't so much of [TS]

00:32:31   the so much of this is on the on the [TS]

00:32:34   richness of the supporting cast that I [TS]

00:32:35   think it's easy to to you know the these [TS]

00:32:38   guys are a little more straightforward [TS]

00:32:39   in some ways because they're there the [TS]

00:32:41   there who we expect to be our our [TS]

00:32:43   protagonist right I'd like to bryan cave [TS]

00:32:46   on you just a little bit here and the [TS]

00:32:48   terms of groundwork I think it's worth [TS]

00:32:49   mentioning it [TS]

00:32:50   Marco he's a vicious well trained killer [TS]

00:32:54   yes to the first time he sees battle [TS]

00:32:55   says you know what I'm done I can't do [TS]

00:32:57   this but his family I you know I don't [TS]

00:32:59   use that term terrorist his he says I'd [TS]

00:33:01   like to be called freedom fighters but [TS]

00:33:03   that they're there they are the store [TS]

00:33:07   looking for the guerrillas right that [TS]

00:33:09   the people on on the moon is the [TS]

00:33:11   resistance that what's the moon called [TS]

00:33:13   mamuni 33 but people have wreaths are [TS]

00:33:16   basically they're like what they liked [TS]

00:33:18   the vehicon they're like the contrast [TS]

00:33:20   they're the ones who are trying to [TS]

00:33:21   undermine through guerrilla warfare this [TS]

00:33:24   big planet so just I think it's worth [TS]

00:33:25   mentioning that his parents are hundred [TS]

00:33:27   percent like died in their hardcore that [TS]

00:33:29   this is what we do this is what we do [TS]

00:33:32   and you know and and of course back on [TS]

00:33:34   land fall they just got they've got all [TS]

00:33:35   the power they've got all the money [TS]

00:33:37   they've got the ability to hire all [TS]

00:33:39   these people to work for them but it's a [TS]

00:33:40   disproportionate war has been fought you [TS]

00:33:43   know for years and you know that they [TS]

00:33:45   hit the end of the video [TS]

00:33:46   neither one of them has that much skin [TS]

00:33:48   in the game until they realized the skin [TS]

00:33:50   they have in the game is like for the [TS]

00:33:51   this relationship that's when they get [TS]

00:33:53   really passionate anyway just want to [TS]

00:33:55   mention that his parents are bad assets [TS]

00:33:57   you know that his dad obviously a little [TS]

00:34:00   bit on the softer side that his mom [TS]

00:34:02   yes like seriously I mean I loved I you [TS]

00:34:05   know it's such an interesting way to [TS]

00:34:07   introduce them as we were saying and I I [TS]

00:34:09   really came to love his dad so quickly [TS]

00:34:12   totally only only to ya hard on the [TS]

00:34:16   spoiler hard right [TS]

00:34:17   yes we did get all the only to have him [TS]

00:34:19   taken away from us so its mission i [TS]

00:34:21   cried twice so I he did he did warn us [TS]

00:34:23   and say that he didn't have long to live [TS]

00:34:25   and boy was he right but he's great [TS]

00:34:28   because he used the spinning wheel and [TS]

00:34:30   he makes the clothes and and and he he [TS]

00:34:34   sees what his son season Alana and the [TS]

00:34:38   mother is a little more wrapped up in [TS]

00:34:40   the warrior part of it and the father he [TS]

00:34:45   gets it you know in a way that I thought [TS]

00:34:47   was pretty cool [TS]

00:34:48   well he reminded me of like I don't know [TS]

00:34:50   like not like my uncle or something [TS]

00:34:51   right like there's a certain amount of [TS]

00:34:53   that that a funkier charm that he has [TS]

00:34:55   that he's like oh he could never really [TS]

00:34:58   be mad at anybody for that long right [TS]

00:35:00   I don't know it's just it yeah he does a [TS]

00:35:02   great job of drawing that that character [TS]

00:35:05   in just a couple subtle strokes like [TS]

00:35:08   several brushstrokes and you said that [TS]

00:35:10   you have an idea of who that character [TS]

00:35:11   is right right [TS]

00:35:13   this is part of what i was trying to [TS]

00:35:14   play my kid today without going you know [TS]

00:35:15   about ruining her for life worse that i [TS]

00:35:17   have is you know without getting a hard [TS]

00:35:20   not to [TS]

00:35:20   I think it's a fascinating piece of of [TS]

00:35:22   not just contemporary life of kind of [TS]

00:35:25   just of the human condition that we get [TS]

00:35:27   entrenched in these these kinds of [TS]

00:35:30   ongoing Wars where we dehumanize the [TS]

00:35:32   other side and you know when I say [TS]

00:35:35   something like the troubles or south [TS]

00:35:36   africa or whatever what you might [TS]

00:35:37   remember it you know you know it started [TS]

00:35:40   because somebody has a different opinion [TS]

00:35:42   about whether this blood is there this [TS]

00:35:44   piece [TS]

00:35:45   bread is jesus what it really means is [TS]

00:35:47   like my brother lost his leg because of [TS]

00:35:50   the orange marchers or whatever like [TS]

00:35:52   what you really remember is like this [TS]

00:35:54   Hatfield got killed because of that [TS]

00:35:55   McCoy and that's why we fight back and [TS]

00:35:57   so on and so forth [TS]

00:35:58   what I got on this reading I like what [TS]

00:35:59   you said Jason about that because as [TS]

00:36:01   much as I've devoured these going back I [TS]

00:36:03   picked up a lot [TS]

00:36:04   the one that I got this time reading it [TS]

00:36:06   straight through was that horrible word [TS]

00:36:08   miscegenation what I really got this [TS]

00:36:11   time is how much you know and I mean I'd [TS]

00:36:15   love to come back to proxies at some [TS]

00:36:16   point that everybody's always hiring [TS]

00:36:18   someone else to do something whether [TS]

00:36:19   it's Jack termine bone or kill their [TS]

00:36:21   their enemy or capture someone's baby [TS]

00:36:23   everybody wants this baby and they want [TS]

00:36:25   these people captured because it's [TS]

00:36:27   almost like somebody screwing a monkey [TS]

00:36:29   like these people are so nobody can even [TS]

00:36:32   believe that like the the times that [TS]

00:36:35   these free combinations of horns and [TS]

00:36:37   wings have happened the baby hasn't [TS]

00:36:39   lived because it's such a horrible like [TS]

00:36:41   abomination of nature you see this may [TS]

00:36:43   be my daughter sees baby she I can't [TS]

00:36:45   take the comic away from her because [TS]

00:36:46   she's looking for pages with the baby on [TS]

00:36:48   it it has horns and wings and it's [TS]

00:36:50   completely adorable you know it's you [TS]

00:36:51   know what I mean it's the the way that [TS]

00:36:53   either side in this battle sees the [TS]

00:36:56   other side first of all as a complete [TS]

00:36:59   monster but the only thing worse than [TS]

00:37:01   that monster is somebody on your side [TS]

00:37:02   who would have a baby with that monster [TS]

00:37:04   and it just makes both sides so mad and [TS]

00:37:08   there might be more to this that we get [TS]

00:37:09   you down down the stream but like I [TS]

00:37:11   think at the beginning it helps [TS]

00:37:12   understand it [TS]

00:37:13   everybody's after because they're like [TS]

00:37:14   the Duke boys right everybody's added [TS]

00:37:16   that a part of it is there so that they [TS]

00:37:19   hate that this has happened but they're [TS]

00:37:20   also angry that that that they would so [TS]

00:37:23   not only betray their side but then they [TS]

00:37:25   would make this abomination of the baby [TS]

00:37:26   is the one thing everybody agrees on [TS]

00:37:28   outside of this family is that this baby [TS]

00:37:30   should have never ever happened I I [TS]

00:37:32   think that's yeah there is something [TS]

00:37:34   very much in that in this whole idea of [TS]

00:37:36   the other right of vilifying the other [TS]

00:37:40   just because that's that's unfamiliar an [TS]

00:37:43   alien and I think you know in this comic [TS]

00:37:46   to those reading it [TS]

00:37:47   everything's kind of alien right so you [TS]

00:37:50   know I think there's not a lot of [TS]

00:37:51   Allegiance you come in like one way or [TS]

00:37:52   the other right like all those guys have [TS]

00:37:54   wings as important as well that's all [TS]

00:37:56   kinda weird so what gets I don't really [TS]

00:37:58   you know think too hard about that but [TS]

00:37:59   but even then they did you know there's [TS]

00:38:01   kind of these faceless forces on either [TS]

00:38:03   side but they then make the kind of the [TS]

00:38:05   operatives for each team you know become [TS]

00:38:08   these characters that there and explore [TS]

00:38:10   so you know we're gonna find out about [TS]

00:38:11   the freelancer who has been employed by [TS]

00:38:14   by the wings and we're gonna find out [TS]

00:38:15   about the you know the robot friends [TS]

00:38:18   right [TS]

00:38:19   you know if not there they're not [TS]

00:38:20   looking well I could I was a faceless [TS]

00:38:22   poor choice of words for the robot [TS]

00:38:23   prints but um you know that he's got a [TS]

00:38:25   facebook is a CRT monitor [TS]

00:38:27   yeah well to face you know they're gonna [TS]

00:38:29   they're gonna be characters that we're [TS]

00:38:31   gonna learn about to tell you know so [TS]

00:38:33   Alana strange happenings one of the [TS]

00:38:35   things about Alana as I as I sort of [TS]

00:38:37   vaguely push through various characters [TS]

00:38:39   is uh is that she she's an interesting [TS]

00:38:42   character because she's an outsider that [TS]

00:38:46   way there's a scene where she is like in [TS]

00:38:48   the guard room or something and and the [TS]

00:38:51   squid who's in the in the plastic mole [TS]

00:38:55   says to her her other guard partner boy [TS]

00:38:58   she's you know basically she's miserable [TS]

00:39:00   to be around because she she's excited [TS]

00:39:02   about this book that is you know this of [TS]

00:39:06   turns out to be the sort of really big [TS]

00:39:07   incredibly boring yet subversive in its [TS]

00:39:10   boring this book which is a very funny [TS]

00:39:12   recurring bit and you know and then she [TS]

00:39:16   you know she actually beats the crap out [TS]

00:39:18   of Marco because you won't shut up but [TS]

00:39:19   it but she that was their meat cute but [TS]

00:39:21   they've they fall in love and she shoots [TS]

00:39:23   his chain off and says go not a [TS]

00:39:26   euphemism [TS]

00:39:27   and if she says go go go get out of your [TS]

00:39:29   escape and they ended up escaping [TS]

00:39:31   together i gotta talk about the book [TS]

00:39:32   first I know because I'm yes you talking [TS]

00:39:34   upon it i think i think i love the I [TS]

00:39:38   love that in its be goes back to what we [TS]

00:39:39   were talking about before about those [TS]

00:39:40   elements of manatee like that's what the [TS]

00:39:42   book is right it's the mundane it's [TS]

00:39:45   literally like you want to order a pizza [TS]

00:39:47   tonight y'all thinks it's a potboiler [TS]

00:39:48   anything like that sucks [TS]

00:39:50   heroes like I rolling 30 books like who [TS]

00:39:53   cares i was just trying to get a [TS]

00:39:54   paycheck but it'sit's like you can [TS]

00:39:56   understand from her perspective why it's [TS]

00:39:59   so powerful and why it's so important in [TS]

00:40:02   a in a world where everything the [TS]

00:40:04   mundane is like violence and war right [TS]

00:40:07   like that's the everyday is we're stuck [TS]

00:40:09   in this war and have been stuck in this [TS]

00:40:11   war for so [TS]

00:40:11   one that we don't remember so what's [TS]

00:40:13   comforting is this idea like let's just [TS]

00:40:15   hang out and watch TV you know I and [TS]

00:40:18   it's almost like limping into all of our [TS]

00:40:19   back into all of our own lives which is [TS]

00:40:22   a little weird because it gets kinda [TS]

00:40:23   self-reflective they're like oh I guess [TS]

00:40:25   my life is sitting around reading comic [TS]

00:40:27   books about aliens and tried to get away [TS]

00:40:28   and therefore the people who are the [TS]

00:40:30   aliens in the comic books a reading life [TS]

00:40:32   about getting away into my reality it's [TS]

00:40:34   a rock monster who enjoys sitting on the [TS]

00:40:36   couch and watching to ordering takeout [TS]

00:40:38   you know what did you guys I mean I [TS]

00:40:41   think i can get this as much until this [TS]

00:40:42   secondary but I also volunteers to see [TS]

00:40:45   if you guys agree with this but I i got [TS]

00:40:47   that seriously [TS]

00:40:49   Alana was not a great soldier no no I [TS]

00:40:51   like the second she wasn't nobody liked [TS]

00:40:54   her but also she wasn't particularly [TS]

00:40:55   distinguished in any way i like the idea [TS]

00:40:57   that she was like oh she was like she's [TS]

00:40:59   like the Maria Hill of this operator [TS]

00:41:02   they did they say where she was [TS]

00:41:04   they say that she was parked on this [TS]

00:41:06   world and and somebody actually says [TS]

00:41:08   seriously they still send people there [TS]

00:41:10   but that was an urban myth that's like [TS]

00:41:13   that was a joke right that you can't be [TS]

00:41:15   that bad and she's a private right [TS]

00:41:17   ladies he literally like the [TS]

00:41:18   lowest-ranked she's given the guard duty [TS]

00:41:20   on this terrible world she's not even [TS]

00:41:23   really that good at that because she's [TS]

00:41:24   it's around reading her books all the [TS]

00:41:26   time [TS]

00:41:26   I mean yeah there's this very [TS]

00:41:28   interesting because she is paired up of [TS]

00:41:29   course then with marco who is like a [TS]

00:41:31   total badass so it is a very bizarre [TS]

00:41:33   it's a little bit of an odd couple going [TS]

00:41:35   on [TS]

00:41:36   yeah okay can we talk about the will of [TS]

00:41:38   the will but the will is the is the [TS]

00:41:41   freelancer bounty hunter the first the [TS]

00:41:44   first real answer [TS]

00:41:45   yeah he he he is an interesting cat he [TS]

00:41:49   also has a cat the lion cat who is his [TS]

00:41:52   sidekick and does nothing except growl [TS]

00:41:56   and say lying when somebody lies which [TS]

00:42:00   is inconvenient even for the will [TS]

00:42:02   sometimes and somebody is why haven't [TS]

00:42:05   you killed that cat misses believe me [TS]

00:42:07   I've tried and you're a lying cat [TS]

00:42:09   doesn't say lying at that burn that what [TS]

00:42:14   I mean like there's so many so many you [TS]

00:42:15   know you see all these these ridiculous [TS]

00:42:17   plot devices that people throw into [TS]

00:42:19   things thinking they're being clever and [TS]

00:42:21   I've never had seen a plot device that I [TS]

00:42:23   love more than one [TS]

00:42:24   and cat and it comes up at the most [TS]

00:42:26   immediate at the exactly perfect times i [TS]

00:42:28   just posted a picture of this earlier [TS]

00:42:30   the one with the phone rings and it's [TS]

00:42:31   fucking coming call from the stock and [TS]

00:42:34   and and with the will is like I'm [TS]

00:42:37   expecting a call from that keyword again [TS]

00:42:39   the cat goes my and then we'll just [TS]

00:42:43   stares at her [TS]

00:42:44   yeah yeah there's there's something [TS]

00:42:46   fascinating about that too because then [TS]

00:42:48   you have this whole like philosophical [TS]

00:42:49   thing like well was he lying does he [TS]

00:42:52   pick it up because the cats that he was [TS]

00:42:53   lying or ya know but he relies on he [TS]

00:42:55   also relies on her to say he looks to [TS]

00:42:57   her is like the person telling the truth [TS]

00:42:59   he's a key like that the cat is a key [TS]

00:43:01   partner in this in this range and so [TS]

00:43:03   much so that when the cast life is in [TS]

00:43:05   jeopardy which was the other point where [TS]

00:43:06   I was like oh my god you know it gets [TS]

00:43:08   blown out into space yeah because it's [TS]

00:43:10   like okay this is this is a character [TS]

00:43:12   that it literally has like one line and [TS]

00:43:14   yet they do such a good job of being [TS]

00:43:16   like oh my god no don't get the wine cat [TS]

00:43:18   no no don't get the lying cat and you [TS]

00:43:21   know there is a moment of feeling like [TS]

00:43:23   you're watching the will be like no okay [TS]

00:43:26   now I'm not gonna let the cat right like [TS]

00:43:28   in that there's something there's [TS]

00:43:29   something very effective in that which [TS]

00:43:31   is strange that you should feel that [TS]

00:43:33   much empathy for a character that is a [TS]

00:43:35   cat with one but it works yeah it worked [TS]

00:43:38   and that's that's across an issue break [TS]

00:43:40   so there's a and its really well setup [TS]

00:43:43   where I think that's also the woman [TS]

00:43:45   grandpa there's a there's a panel [TS]

00:43:46   there's a set of panels yet is where [TS]

00:43:49   they terrible where where they showed [TS]

00:43:51   the the damage that's being done to the [TS]

00:43:54   spaceships is after one is acceptable [TS]

00:43:56   loss and then and then flip the page at [TS]

00:43:58   the narrator says that and then you flip [TS]

00:44:00   the page to see the line cat drifting in [TS]

00:44:02   space and we and then it's not until the [TS]

00:44:04   next issue where the will basically [TS]

00:44:06   jumps out into space to get the line cat [TS]

00:44:09   and bring it back so use you also have [TS]

00:44:11   the whole month where you don't know if [TS]

00:44:12   the lion cat is gonna make it we keep we [TS]

00:44:14   keep the railing so the will is a [TS]

00:44:16   freelancer sorry i keep the railing no [TS]

00:44:18   no we're talking about the will the will [TS]

00:44:19   is interesting too because he gets this [TS]

00:44:20   job and he obviously got this [TS]

00:44:21   ex-girlfriend or sometime girlfriend who [TS]

00:44:24   is this complete badass a freelancer her [TS]

00:44:28   own self [TS]

00:44:29   who's like a crab net crab lady and and [TS]

00:44:34   then she is killed by Prince robot [TS]

00:44:37   sure about the fourth we call it for [TS]

00:44:40   which will get 2i and so that's upset [TS]

00:44:43   him and then he also has this whole [TS]

00:44:44   diversion where he's on this he decides [TS]

00:44:47   to take the the credit card that's been [TS]

00:44:49   given to him as an advance for going and [TS]

00:44:51   finding his targets finding our friends [TS]

00:44:54   and he decides to go to the sex planet [TS]

00:44:56   with it to just have a good time except [TS]

00:44:58   he doesn't have a good time I and he [TS]

00:45:01   finds a young girl who's been sold into [TS]

00:45:03   sex slavery and decides he's going to [TS]

00:45:05   free her so there's this whole diversion [TS]

00:45:08   with him that is fascinating in some [TS]

00:45:10   ways because you've got this example of [TS]

00:45:13   how he is and it like he kills people [TS]

00:45:15   together murderer out he went he pops [TS]

00:45:18   the head of the guy who leads him to the [TS]

00:45:22   the underage roll let's just say he [TS]

00:45:24   didn't go there to free a slave girl he [TS]

00:45:26   went there and was approached by the the [TS]

00:45:28   creepy groomer guy because he wanted [TS]

00:45:31   like something extremely dangerous [TS]

00:45:32   beyond like spanking men in a window [TS]

00:45:33   like he wanted something serious [TS]

00:45:36   he's not a nice guy yea he's not a nice [TS]

00:45:38   guy and yet he has these he has these [TS]

00:45:40   moments like trying to trying to free [TS]

00:45:42   the slave girl so he's a fascinating [TS]

00:45:45   character because he's not and he's [TS]

00:45:47   completely the muzzle and he's the most [TS]

00:45:49   visually human-looking character [TS]

00:45:51   yes yes right he's basically a bald [TS]

00:45:54   human yeah yeah you're right with the [TS]

00:45:57   with a cloak that blocks bullets [TS]

00:45:59   yes and fire to it all just sucks fired [TS]

00:46:01   nine and he's he's had a fancy spaceland [TS]

00:46:03   yes he said he says he's a badass but he [TS]

00:46:05   is um yeah he's interesting in that he's [TS]

00:46:09   awful and yet also redeemable in there [TS]

00:46:13   yet in the words of one of our earlier [TS]

00:46:15   pocket he has a code [TS]

00:46:17   yes right is that there's a little bit [TS]

00:46:18   of both fenton you know [TS]

00:46:20   yeah yeah that's got a man's got him [TS]

00:46:21   code boba fett without a hat [TS]

00:46:24   yeah yeah yeah but of course heated that [TS]

00:46:26   makes us like him just enough to be [TS]

00:46:27   concerned about the fact that his goal [TS]

00:46:29   in life is very specifically to find our [TS]

00:46:32   friends and kill them and that's his job [TS]

00:46:35   and that's what he wants his money for [TS]

00:46:37   then he's joined by marcos ex-girlfriend [TS]

00:46:39   who has motivation to have him killed [TS]

00:46:42   and she also wants her wedding rings [TS]

00:46:44   back for translation wanna get up again [TS]

00:46:46   the proxies they like a yes to me this [TS]

00:46:48   is so prevalent because they have an [TS]

00:46:50   agent the [TS]

00:46:51   stock in the Delta stopping the will [TS]

00:46:52   Sharon aj do they have amazing yeah [TS]

00:46:54   because they have this guy who's like [TS]

00:46:55   this Robert Evans character who likes [TS]

00:46:57   its on each the seahorse the sea horse [TS]

00:46:59   on the beach is like he's exactly is a [TS]

00:47:01   seahorse on line one and you see I'm [TS]

00:47:05   gonna take this i got an incoming call [TS]

00:47:06   here again because he is exactly like [TS]

00:47:08   that happen well as well I hear your [TS]

00:47:10   buddy i hate but you gotta do this for [TS]

00:47:12   me I those characters like him and like [TS]

00:47:15   the one guy who's like that with the [TS]

00:47:16   shield guy forget his name the guy with [TS]

00:47:18   the the guy with the with the cell phone [TS]

00:47:20   this is characters that you instantly [TS]

00:47:21   recognizable i mean i could see i forget [TS]

00:47:23   that i forget the guys name the guy from [TS]

00:47:25   the guy that's working for the king [TS]

00:47:27   you know is from ya special ops [TS]

00:47:28   specialist with that means I could [TS]

00:47:30   totally see like sam rockwell playing [TS]

00:47:32   that guy he's a very sound Sam Rockwell [TS]

00:47:34   in you know iron man two kind of like [TS]

00:47:37   like Greece a character reminds me of [TS]

00:47:40   Ellis from die hard [TS]

00:47:41   no yeah we'll Bobby yeah so who else we [TS]

00:47:47   have four let's talk about the robots [TS]

00:47:48   because this is fat this is one of the [TS]

00:47:49   things that I think is bizarre and [TS]

00:47:51   fascinating about this is we have so [TS]

00:47:53   many questions that the royal family of [TS]

00:47:55   robots as far as we can tell they are it [TS]

00:48:00   looks like they're kind of the client of [TS]

00:48:03   that the primary people that have been [TS]

00:48:05   hired by landfall to fight this war at [TS]

00:48:07   scale right right so there there it's [TS]

00:48:10   unclear to me whether they are sort of [TS]

00:48:11   under there like a a a colony of land [TS]

00:48:16   father they talk because there's there's [TS]

00:48:17   a little bit where they talk about it [TS]

00:48:19   it's like they have like you know they [TS]

00:48:21   have like a an arrangement but they're [TS]

00:48:22   not and it's like they say like or they [TS]

00:48:25   are customers are they [TS]

00:48:26   oh yeah i'm skeptical about what the [TS]

00:48:28   power relationship is between landfall [TS]

00:48:30   in the robot ralph is the robot seem to [TS]

00:48:32   be important they do they seem to be [TS]

00:48:33   very important and yet they do have a [TS]

00:48:35   people with wings giving them partial [TS]

00:48:39   orders so it's kind of unclear about [TS]

00:48:41   whether there are truly sort of [TS]

00:48:43   employees or whether they may be a [TS]

00:48:45   little more sinister devious the map i [TS]

00:48:48   mean i think we can understand that it's [TS]

00:48:50   not something they can slough off [TS]

00:48:51   I mean it seems to me that this robot [TS]

00:48:53   for is the son of the king and he's just [TS]

00:48:57   thought in what I would perceive to be [TS]

00:48:58   42 years he's been fighting their [TS]

00:49:00   version of like the Battle of the Bulge [TS]

00:49:01   has been in this incredibly hellish war [TS]

00:49:04   and again [TS]

00:49:04   completely unsympathetic character that [TS]

00:49:06   you end up feeling sympathy for he's had [TS]

00:49:08   this horrible experience he's trying to [TS]

00:49:09   have a baby [TS]

00:49:10   he apparently can't get a boner he's [TS]

00:49:12   confused about what we know what he what [TS]

00:49:13   he [TS]

00:49:14   what's going to happen in his life he's [TS]

00:49:16   a totally like hateable character and [TS]

00:49:18   yet very human even though he has a TV [TS]

00:49:20   forehead you should describe what they [TS]

00:49:21   look like [TS]

00:49:22   yeah so the robot people they when we [TS]

00:49:25   first see them they're dressed up and [TS]

00:49:27   they've got a TV for ahead it is [TS]

00:49:29   literally a big bulbous TV set and the [TS]

00:49:33   men have rabbit ears and the women [TS]

00:49:36   apparently don't but but Prince robot [TS]

00:49:37   the fourth has wrapped that has ever [TS]

00:49:39   happened to your eyes and know that [TS]

00:49:40   either on the back of his head and yet [TS]

00:49:44   then not too long thereafter of course [TS]

00:49:46   as Merlin alluded to we see Prince robot [TS]

00:49:50   and his and his princess having sex and [TS]

00:49:53   I get that page with my daughter yeah I [TS]

00:49:56   think I was not widely I don't [TS]

00:49:57   understand and uh in an unconventional [TS]

00:50:01   slight slightly unconventional position [TS]

00:50:03   all the better to anyway they're naked [TS]

00:50:06   and their human-like accepted android [TS]

00:50:11   humanoid and you actually it's not even [TS]

00:50:13   like you don't get the sense that [TS]

00:50:15   they're cyborgs because the skin is like [TS]

00:50:18   the next skin it's all smooth up into [TS]

00:50:20   the TV set [TS]

00:50:21   they almost kinda look they look kind of [TS]

00:50:22   like you know classical Greek statues [TS]

00:50:24   with TV it's because our kind of like [TS]

00:50:27   grace Tony looked so they're they're [TS]

00:50:28   called it's Prince robot but he's not [TS]

00:50:31   really a robot at least so far as we can [TS]

00:50:33   see because he appears to be completely [TS]

00:50:35   sort of fleshy other than the he can [TS]

00:50:39   turn his arm into a gun he can turn his [TS]

00:50:41   arm into so cool so its energy also you [TS]

00:50:44   know Merlin is right there's a there's a [TS]

00:50:46   great moment while he's having sex with [TS]

00:50:48   his lady where he something shows up on [TS]

00:50:51   the TV set and he's unable to perform so [TS]

00:50:54   there's this week it is weird biological [TS]

00:50:56   and everyone's got TV PTSD [TS]

00:50:59   yeah it's crazy so I I mean anywhere [TS]

00:51:04   you're right he's a fascinating [TS]

00:51:05   character because he is he's introduced [TS]

00:51:07   is really being a monster and and and [TS]

00:51:10   yet you start to realize that [TS]

00:51:12   essentially his biz pregnant wife it's [TS]

00:51:15   being basically held hostage by the [TS]

00:51:17   ruler [TS]

00:51:17   of landfall even monsters have jobs [TS]

00:51:20   Jason yeah and he's being sent to go [TS]

00:51:21   kill our friends but uh you know he [TS]

00:51:25   doesn't want to do it because he not [TS]

00:51:27   because it's wrong but because he really [TS]

00:51:29   would like a vacation and everybody has [TS]

00:51:32   a box and he spoiled obviously you get [TS]

00:51:34   the sense because he's a prince is the [TS]

00:51:35   son of the king and all that it's just [TS]

00:51:37   so bizarre one of the most bizarre [TS]

00:51:39   characters understand it's like it's a [TS]

00:51:41   horrible combination because obviously [TS]

00:51:42   his father has sold him out he's been if [TS]

00:51:45   we if I understand this correctly he's [TS]

00:51:46   been in this two-year war that everybody [TS]

00:51:48   and this is sounds like this is one of [TS]

00:51:49   those if i'm reading this right this is [TS]

00:51:51   one of those wars were heavy casualties [TS]

00:51:54   were felt on both sides i'm going [TS]

00:51:55   through this kind of world war two jag [TS]

00:51:57   right now but hey it sounds like one of [TS]

00:51:58   those Wars we're like there was a lot of [TS]

00:52:01   atrocities on both sides a lot of people [TS]

00:52:03   lost their friends a lot of people did a [TS]

00:52:04   lot of stuff that they're not happy with [TS]

00:52:06   and this guy went through that and the [TS]

00:52:08   thing is he's royalty you know he is [TS]

00:52:10   he's the whatever your highness not your [TS]

00:52:13   majesty whatever anyway he's right he's [TS]

00:52:15   he but he's been there for two years he [TS]

00:52:17   comes home his wife desperate his wife [TS]

00:52:19   who is a serious partisan she's very [TS]

00:52:21   much in the camp where is this guy's [TS]

00:52:23   mostly you know he's a soldier but he's [TS]

00:52:24   got a job to do and and right at the [TS]

00:52:26   moment when he's ready to like it [TS]

00:52:28   through his TV PTSD and have a have a [TS]

00:52:30   baby you know why my him like but he's [TS]

00:52:33   compelled to go back out into that and [TS]

00:52:35   so he has a lot of skin in the game more [TS]

00:52:37   about skin in the game like and that is [TS]

00:52:39   not quickly as possible so he can get [TS]

00:52:40   back to you know having this family [TS]

00:52:42   first remember when I thought you were [TS]

00:52:44   going to say that his wife is a serious [TS]

00:52:45   hottie and I was going to say man that [TS]

00:52:47   console he / she wants to keep her baby [TS]

00:52:50   don't ask about our resolution okay no [TS]

00:52:53   that's not cool [TS]

00:52:54   its lucky am i right yeah that I i was [TS]

00:52:58   thinking in particular that the [TS]

00:53:00   flashback that we get from him in the [TS]

00:53:01   issue 12 where we see you know basically [TS]

00:53:04   in getting wounded on the battlefield in [TS]

00:53:06   which i think was another one of those [TS]

00:53:07   excellently moving scenes where [TS]

00:53:09   basically you know the medic comes over [TS]

00:53:11   impact your blouse mother Mouse very [TS]

00:53:13   adorable mouse madman and you're like [TS]

00:53:15   alone its mouth guard oh no I using [TS]

00:53:18   school it's got his face when he says [TS]

00:53:19   they didn't give you wouldn't get a mask [TS]

00:53:22   oh my god table and you see the you know [TS]

00:53:25   but the prince is actually concerned [TS]

00:53:27   right yeah like the princes like get [TS]

00:53:30   your game [TS]

00:53:30   mass come on like you just saved my life [TS]

00:53:32   you know don't you can't die here and [TS]

00:53:34   then the just explodes and it's just [TS]

00:53:36   really tries to increase consultant to [TS]

00:53:38   he goes users [TS]

00:53:39   oh I didn't think of me asking so well [TS]

00:53:41   it's alright i'm sure it'll be fine and [TS]

00:53:44   then explodes [TS]

00:53:45   he's trying right he's trying to but [TS]

00:53:47   like you know into Merlin's point about [TS]

00:53:49   the PTSD like you know he sees this [TS]

00:53:50   happened right in front of it right like [TS]

00:53:52   so there's and you know despite being a [TS]

00:53:54   quote on quote robot-like clearly that [TS]

00:53:56   affects him in some way we see that he's [TS]

00:53:58   thinking about its on his mind was also [TS]

00:54:01   thinking about something else in a [TS]

00:54:02   rather famous panel that cause image to [TS]

00:54:05   withdraw this and I don't wanna I don't [TS]

00:54:06   wanna you know pop the clutch here but [TS]

00:54:08   it's something I want to talk about what [TS]

00:54:09   causes what to appear on the screen [TS]

00:54:11   because i am still not figured it out i [TS]

00:54:13   I'm a little unclear how much of it into [TS]

00:54:16   did does he have control of it Jason do [TS]

00:54:18   you want to talk about the screens let's [TS]

00:54:20   talk about what appears on the robot [TS]

00:54:21   face screen there's there's we could say [TS]

00:54:23   there's gay sex on the screens sometimes [TS]

00:54:25   it's something like we're just like he [TS]

00:54:27   got a little busy zout the famous one is [TS]

00:54:29   there's there's getting it looks sort of [TS]

00:54:31   like gay porn basically on the screen [TS]

00:54:34   door and that's the one where the the [TS]

00:54:36   word comiXology didn't submit to apple [TS]

00:54:39   or something like that there was a minor [TS]

00:54:40   but there's there's weird stuff before [TS]

00:54:42   yes he has reclaiming the user screaming [TS]

00:54:45   at once you get a dollar sign like an is [TS]

00:54:48   no I find get the incoming call from [TS]

00:54:50   yeah yeah [TS]

00:54:51   the caller ID well because it's from [TS]

00:54:54   there it's the Imperial security yeah [TS]

00:54:57   right there is he is he is the four by [TS]

00:55:00   three [TS]

00:55:00   I guess he is absolutely fine it looks [TS]

00:55:03   cool it's impolite to ask i guess i [TS]

00:55:05   guess my basic question is is that [TS]

00:55:07   something he felt and showed [TS]

00:55:09   involuntarily is it something you don't [TS]

00:55:11   mean is it something that he had to show [TS]

00:55:13   or not because I get the feeling he [TS]

00:55:14   doesn't control it [TS]

00:55:15   no I think it's involuntary I guess I [TS]

00:55:17   wasn't sure cuz like in the last couple [TS]

00:55:19   pages where he's interrogating the [TS]

00:55:20   author and at one point like his screen [TS]

00:55:22   goes all swirly and I wasn't sure if [TS]

00:55:24   that was supposed to be like him [TS]

00:55:25   reacting or him trying to intimidate the [TS]

00:55:29   there's some part I think it's [TS]

00:55:30   involuntary and I started to wonder if [TS]

00:55:32   you know so that that flashback is the [TS]

00:55:34   key see more like he's good shot right [TS]

00:55:36   and they say like oh he's frizz you know [TS]

00:55:37   and it's like is that is there something [TS]

00:55:40   that happened there that has caused him [TS]

00:55:41   to lose control to a certain extent like [TS]

00:55:44   these impulses right you know that he's [TS]

00:55:45   which is you know again kind of like [TS]

00:55:47   there's an analogy to the to the scene [TS]

00:55:49   combat in like the shell shocked that [TS]

00:55:51   kind of thing where it's like our he [TS]

00:55:52   just he can't quite control his impulses [TS]

00:55:54   in the way that he used to do you notice [TS]

00:55:56   in the same he bleeds blue blood [TS]

00:55:58   yes he is literally literally a blue [TS]

00:56:00   pillar called The Bistro see it i just i [TS]

00:56:02   love it like the first couple pages when [TS]

00:56:04   they're in like the mechanic shop and [TS]

00:56:06   they refer to a grease monkey and you're [TS]

00:56:07   like I like a mechanic and it's like no [TS]

00:56:09   it's literally a monkey right we'll be [TS]

00:56:11   okay as long as they don't have a [TS]

00:56:12   blueblood and then there's a blue but [TS]

00:56:13   that's so can you believe that we just [TS]

00:56:15   spent the last five minutes talking [TS]

00:56:17   about what the meaning is of the images [TS]

00:56:21   that flash on the screen of the robots [TS]

00:56:24   who have fleshy bodies but TVs for their [TS]

00:56:26   heads in a comic book i can't i can't [TS]

00:56:28   believe I'm sitting here in my underwear [TS]

00:56:29   wednesday night talking about comics the [TS]

00:56:31   whole thing is completely perplexing to [TS]

00:56:32   me [TS]

00:56:33   yeah so you get the stalk you got the [TS]

00:56:35   will you got the robots are we kind of [TS]

00:56:37   talked about is about some yes Isabel I [TS]

00:56:39   was gonna say that leads us to our next [TS]

00:56:41   major character Isabelle who is a who is [TS]

00:56:43   a ghost with her intestines dangling out [TS]

00:56:46   of her bottom side as she kind of floats [TS]

00:56:48   because she was blown up by a landmine [TS]

00:56:50   the best babysitter you can find the [TS]

00:56:52   Haunted Forest yeah that actually is one [TS]

00:56:55   of my favorite turns in the story is [TS]

00:56:57   where they they meet are our friends [TS]

00:57:00   meet the stock who is this horrifying [TS]

00:57:03   spider crab lady naked spider crab lady [TS]

00:57:06   and the following their following the [TS]

00:57:08   goofball pirate map that yes 22 this [TS]

00:57:10   Bishop for us [TS]

00:57:11   exactly and she shows up and she's like [TS]

00:57:14   I'm gonna kill you all now and shoots [TS]

00:57:15   Marco and she's gonna shoot Lana right [TS]

00:57:19   there except that she's got to take the [TS]

00:57:20   baby alive and then the you know you you [TS]

00:57:23   do yours [TS]

00:57:25   the ghostly sounds come from the forest [TS]

00:57:27   and a freak the stock out she's like oh [TS]

00:57:29   jeez those Horrors yet you know if you [TS]

00:57:32   if you're thinking correctly old kill [TS]

00:57:34   your own baby yourself but i gotta go [TS]

00:57:35   goodbye [TS]

00:57:36   can I read 31 line from the stock sure I [TS]

00:57:38   once saw pack of them rip a man's spine [TS]

00:57:40   out through his urethra [TS]

00:57:41   that's not an exaggeration I saw that so [TS]

00:57:45   says the spider Lee so the spider lady [TS]

00:57:47   runway that's horrifying spider lady [TS]

00:57:49   runs away and what we see then is this [TS]

00:57:54   group of ghosts who like to freak people [TS]

00:57:56   out with like [TS]

00:57:57   fake images of horrible things but [TS]

00:58:00   Isabelle is just a teenager who died and [TS]

00:58:04   I you know she's got an attitude and [TS]

00:58:07   things like that but these the horrors [TS]

00:58:08   turn out to not be horse at all and I [TS]

00:58:10   thought that was a really great turn [TS]

00:58:12   that they're ghosts yes and they show [TS]

00:58:13   people horrible things but they're okay [TS]

00:58:17   and yet the the the crab lady ran away [TS]

00:58:19   but I mean there there it's also great [TS]

00:58:21   because they're mutilated children who [TS]

00:58:24   have become ghosts a but also like be [TS]

00:58:26   like Isabelle doesn't know whose mind [TS]

00:58:28   did it like it's just such a mess but [TS]

00:58:30   the kids who died on this planet turn [TS]

00:58:31   into ghosts because the other great [TS]

00:58:32   thing is Isabelle for her entire life as [TS]

00:58:35   a dead person has been have more than [TS]

00:58:37   happy to scare the living crap out of [TS]

00:58:38   people [TS]

00:58:39   it's just that now because of the [TS]

00:58:41   wonderful storytelling she has a reason [TS]

00:58:43   she needs these people you know what I [TS]

00:58:45   mean I think she would have scared him [TS]

00:58:46   like anybody else except that she sees [TS]

00:58:48   an opportunity here because of what she [TS]

00:58:50   knows and that's why this story she can [TS]

00:58:52   connect to Hazel the baby and you get [TS]

00:58:56   awfully planet and B and she also she [TS]

00:58:59   you know she's a teenage girl so she's a [TS]

00:59:01   good babysitter [TS]

00:59:02   she's a little babysitting money yeah [TS]

00:59:04   but a little pocket change and she can [TS]

00:59:06   she can she can make giant scary [TS]

00:59:07   gorillas to yeah she can get some new [TS]

00:59:09   shoes [TS]

00:59:10   Oh apartment if I don't take [TS]

00:59:13   relationship advice from a teenage girl [TS]

00:59:16   with no vagina that's it [TS]

00:59:18   the so many great lines [TS]

00:59:21   yeah yeah Isabel who are so so Isabelle [TS]

00:59:24   has to be able to the idea is the only [TS]

00:59:26   way she can get off of this planet is by [TS]

00:59:29   finding with hazel just a connector soul [TS]

00:59:32   exactly yeah and they asked a little [TS]

00:59:34   hurt and she says it won't hurt when we [TS]

00:59:36   connect it'll hurt when we disconnect [TS]

00:59:38   which we all miss you little for today [TS]

00:59:40   in the future then yes you know as a [TS]

00:59:43   babysitter [TS]

00:59:44   you know of course you would use a ghost [TS]

00:59:45   that has no legs [TS]

00:59:47   sure that seems perfectly logical to me [TS]

00:59:48   or intestines her intestines let's be [TS]

00:59:50   clear her intestines are literally [TS]

00:59:51   hanging out from our hipster t-shirt [TS]

00:59:53   yes yeah well that's what else you gonna [TS]

00:59:55   do with the hipster t-shirt really I i [TS]

00:59:58   need such a fast again [TS]

00:59:58   need such a fast again [TS]

01:00:00   one of those long lines of like every [TS]

01:00:02   every issue where you read something [TS]

01:00:03   you're like now this can't get weirder [TS]

01:00:05   and then it's like what about ghosts [TS]

01:00:08   yeah it's like okay alright you beat me [TS]

01:00:10   you got weirder and she knows more about [TS]

01:00:12   kids and a lot of them the moment when [TS]

01:00:15   she takes them to the the the forest the [TS]

01:00:19   the spaceship forest and reveals the the [TS]

01:00:21   spaceship tree thing that was that [TS]

01:00:24   moment of like that was really a great [TS]

01:00:26   moment that that this law and she gets [TS]

01:00:29   the the part where she gets banished by [TS]

01:00:30   Marcus we answer to a nearby asteroid [TS]

01:00:33   which is mounted by the egg [TS]

01:00:36   uh-huh my god is so good anything with a [TS]

01:00:40   Giants with his parts resolve fard hard [TS]

01:00:46   was that line you don't you know that [TS]

01:00:47   you don't fly a rocket ship you're right [TS]

01:00:49   it can't believe that's not already that [TS]

01:00:51   such a great sister great line but I [TS]

01:00:54   mean but you know it's gonna give me I [TS]

01:00:56   mean not to be all you know whatever [TS]

01:00:57   brainy but like it's the economy of the [TS]

01:01:00   storytelling like in all this madness [TS]

01:01:01   and all these generals and all these [TS]

01:01:03   robots like they're still every every [TS]

01:01:05   bit of this is essential like every one [TS]

01:01:07   of these relationships is important to [TS]

01:01:09   propelling the story forward but it [TS]

01:01:10   doesn't feel like a story you know what [TS]

01:01:13   I mean I just I was flipping forward and [TS]

01:01:14   I just got to the you know the scene [TS]

01:01:17   where you know his Marco's father dies [TS]

01:01:20   and and Hazel from the future you know [TS]

01:01:22   talking back to us as I still have a [TS]

01:01:24   scrap of the output he made for me i use [TS]

01:01:26   it as a bookmark which is like again you [TS]

01:01:28   know sort of playing with the whole like [TS]

01:01:30   is this a journal like this is sort of a [TS]

01:01:32   recounting you know and that's the end [TS]

01:01:35   of a chapter to write so it kinda it [TS]

01:01:36   kinda works very very cleverly as a like [TS]

01:01:39   it's holding my place right here and i [TS]

01:01:42   think yet again all of those little [TS]

01:01:44   things that just yeah they do such a [TS]

01:01:48   good job of just like turning the like [TS]

01:01:50   you know like your interest like peeking [TS]

01:01:52   you just a little bit and like yeah okay [TS]

01:01:54   i understand that I mean even with the [TS]

01:01:56   way it starts right it doesn't start [TS]

01:01:57   with Marco and a lot of meeting and like [TS]

01:02:00   well you know and escaping and running [TS]

01:02:02   away it starts with the birth of the [TS]

01:02:03   child and then we're gonna find out [TS]

01:02:04   about that other stuff later [TS]

01:02:05   via flashback right it's the ground [TS]

01:02:07   running and just keeps keeps going [TS]

01:02:09   yeah I also want to say the the other [TS]

01:02:10   interesting thing we were talking about [TS]

01:02:11   stuff that differentiates like yeah okay [TS]

01:02:13   you it's is an interesting that we can [TS]

01:02:16   do all this sort of you know violent [TS]

01:02:17   stuff but also really touching stuff and [TS]

01:02:19   all these little little you know the [TS]

01:02:21   handwriting these little details I [TS]

01:02:22   thought that the use of language both [TS]

01:02:25   with a capital L and with a lowercase l [TS]

01:02:27   was interesting as a differentiation for [TS]

01:02:30   so you know we have this idea that these [TS]

01:02:32   these two cultures despite being very [TS]

01:02:34   close proximity you know like there's a [TS]

01:02:36   moon and there's the main planet [TS]

01:02:38   they're separated of course by a [TS]

01:02:39   language in most of the text that we get [TS]

01:02:42   is in what is I think capital L language [TS]

01:02:47   yes it's like there's like a language [TS]

01:02:49   and what they speak on landfall which [TS]

01:02:51   which the them from the people from [TS]

01:02:53   wreath do not they speak a language blue [TS]

01:02:56   right as their native language which is [TS]

01:02:58   written in blue text right and when [TS]

01:02:59   Marco speaks language the soldiers are [TS]

01:03:01   gassed and they say they should cut his [TS]

01:03:03   tongue out [TS]

01:03:04   it's like Planet of the Apes I mean it's [TS]

01:03:06   like people are just like what is this [TS]

01:03:07   monster is speaking like what is what [TS]

01:03:09   kind of magic is easy right and the [TS]

01:03:11   fascinating part for me is the the [TS]

01:03:12   bravery of doing panels that are [TS]

01:03:14   entirely in this language right which [TS]

01:03:15   are not in blue which are not translated [TS]

01:03:17   and you basically have to get from [TS]

01:03:19   context which is federally is the [TS]

01:03:21   flashbacks especially experiment makes [TS]

01:03:23   Merlin cry in the episode where Markos [TS]

01:03:25   dad dies and we don't get me started on [TS]

01:03:27   the grasshopper [TS]

01:03:28   I'm literally begging it and also it's [TS]

01:03:30   just close enough to spanish that that [TS]

01:03:32   is apparently Esperanto or based on its [TS]

01:03:35   anto I looked this up because I was very [TS]

01:03:36   curious to know I did not know that I [TS]

01:03:39   was fascinated to know that because then [TS]

01:03:41   it sent me down a rabbit hole of reading [TS]

01:03:42   wikipedia ya blue maybe cry with the [TS]

01:03:44   grasshopper I'm not gonna lie to you and [TS]

01:03:45   that because you know and also in that [TS]

01:03:47   issue I was not expecting that there's [TS]

01:03:48   there's the whole scene with like what [TS]

01:03:50   happens to those remember when your dad [TS]

01:03:52   taught you to write a grasshopper for [TS]

01:03:53   the first time I mean let's remember he [TS]

01:03:56   didn't Esperanto I said dad I and [TS]

01:03:57   language language but it's very [TS]

01:04:00   effective and also like all my gosh how [TS]

01:04:02   much do you love it when the loop [TS]

01:04:04   ordered the part when the one that when [TS]

01:04:06   the magic people come blasting into the [TS]

01:04:07   garage the first time you see the blue [TS]

01:04:09   language and you get like oh man this is [TS]

01:04:12   the this is the rules are different in [TS]

01:04:13   this universe and the magic people come [TS]

01:04:15   in and the spells and it's just [TS]

01:04:17   and some of the magic they don't really [TS]

01:04:19   explain how it works but it's nice when [TS]

01:04:21   they do get a little into it it's like [TS]

01:04:23   the magic is more than just technology [TS]

01:04:24   that we understand you have the secrets [TS]

01:04:26   that this is something that is needed a [TS]

01:04:28   secret that can has never been spoken [TS]

01:04:31   when we last drippy Jason you're on [TS]

01:04:33   Isabel's that where we left off [TS]

01:04:34   yeah who's left who else do you want to [TS]

01:04:36   talk about i do we do we cover Gwendolyn [TS]

01:04:39   wendelin we don't see her a lot [TS]

01:04:43   true she's she reason that people can [TS]

01:04:45   understand what Marco is saying is [TS]

01:04:47   because he has a pair of magical and [TS]

01:04:49   chanted rings that I guess is like the [TS]

01:04:51   babelfish right yeah that kind of yes [TS]

01:04:55   yeah yeah with babelfish with with a GPS [TS]

01:04:58   in it [TS]

01:04:59   alright certainly android thing yeah but [TS]

01:05:02   at but we learn later and that Alana is [TS]

01:05:05   very unhappy to discover is that those [TS]

01:05:08   belong to someone else [TS]

01:05:09   right which is another great one of [TS]

01:05:11   those melding of like oh they're magical [TS]

01:05:13   rings that can translate things wait you [TS]

01:05:15   took these from your last fiancĂ© like [TS]

01:05:17   there's that jarring like transition [TS]

01:05:20   back into the something that everyone [TS]

01:05:22   can understand right like wow okay that [TS]

01:05:25   was a bad move market now what makes it [TS]

01:05:27   worse is that there's all she also has a [TS]

01:05:29   pendant and and the the freed sex slave [TS]

01:05:33   girl can tell that dependent is calling [TS]

01:05:36   out for its friends and they used that [TS]

01:05:38   as a homing beacon which is also really [TS]

01:05:40   interesting but yeah hit marcos [TS]

01:05:42   ex-girlfriend we see why he wasn't into [TS]

01:05:44   her because she's hardcore she's kind of [TS]

01:05:48   like store meets lelu and a good in a [TS]

01:05:51   good way both multipath she's got the [TS]

01:05:55   outfit yeah lt+ yeah but they but then [TS]

01:05:58   you get the sense that she would be a [TS]

01:05:59   non-player character that like that we [TS]

01:06:01   would never see this this girlfriend [TS]

01:06:03   yeah although I gotta say the problem i [TS]

01:06:06   have with a girlfriend is it does seem [TS]

01:06:08   like this is an awfully small world then [TS]

01:06:11   that she's also a player and all of this [TS]

01:06:14   and ends up with you and with the will [TS]

01:06:16   that with that pussy is she's connected [TS]

01:06:18   right you know she is I just I just had [TS]

01:06:20   the moment of like wow this is and maybe [TS]

01:06:22   this is part of the story is the reason [TS]

01:06:24   that Marco is as important as he is is [TS]

01:06:27   also because of the [TS]

01:06:29   shoot that he has with his fiancee and [TS]

01:06:32   maybe that's why that one of the reasons [TS]

01:06:33   they were initially were looking for him [TS]

01:06:35   but just that was a moment of like wow [TS]

01:06:38   everybody there aren't that many [TS]

01:06:39   characters and yet they all seem to be [TS]

01:06:41   very closely connected with each other [TS]

01:06:43   sometimes it's a small universe [TS]

01:06:45   yeah it's only that planet moon and a [TS]

01:06:47   whole other galaxies but then all the [TS]

01:06:49   funny little animal guys [TS]

01:06:51   yeah don't don't get attached to them [TS]

01:06:52   they don't they'll go so we don't it [TS]

01:06:54   doesn't go well for them [TS]

01:06:55   yeah especially the this mold guys as [TS]

01:06:57   more guys on sextillion get pretty mad [TS]

01:06:59   they're my favorite thing is i love that [TS]

01:07:01   page you know it's like the little seal [TS]

01:07:04   guys on the White House plain old then [TS]

01:07:06   the seals the seal guy on so he's [TS]

01:07:08   weirdly already hit walrus with ya and [TS]

01:07:11   I'm not gonna go back here where the [TS]

01:07:12   author the author lives of the of the [TS]

01:07:14   world's most by the guy with the yellow [TS]

01:07:16   like overalls [TS]

01:07:18   yeah there's a seal guy and and like a [TS]

01:07:20   walrus monkey [TS]

01:07:22   yes I mean that the seal guy kind of [TS]

01:07:24   looks like he's out of a miyazaki movie [TS]

01:07:25   a little bit totally does [TS]

01:07:27   I'm glad I'm I'm really glad he doesn't [TS]

01:07:29   get cut in half in tomorrow [TS]

01:07:33   yeah that's a you know a good day with [TS]

01:07:35   you can say that I got I got a little [TS]

01:07:37   attached to this charming more guys in [TS]

01:07:39   it you know that didn't pay off for me [TS]

01:07:40   you know [TS]

01:07:41   did you bring him bottles mr. hice likes [TS]

01:07:43   it when ladies bring in bottles are you [TS]

01:07:45   lady folk anyway I enjoy enjoy the [TS]

01:07:49   author who is just you know i'll be [TS]

01:07:51   talking a little bit before with just [TS]

01:07:53   the bike is a cyclone has just yeah I [TS]

01:07:55   just right now i'm sitting here with my [TS]

01:07:56   dreams like Catholics like Ernest [TS]

01:07:58   Hemingway with this is like oxygen LOL [TS]

01:08:00   samuel jackson as nick fury as Ernest [TS]

01:08:03   Hemingway a lot of people don't know [TS]

01:08:04   that about us having left and dan did [TS]

01:08:07   you not notice that the 12 issue of this [TS]

01:08:09   is essentially constructed as an episode [TS]

01:08:11   of Columbo I because essentially Prince [TS]

01:08:17   robot comes in interrogation he just [TS]

01:08:19   stays around irritates him to irritate [TS]

01:08:21   him until he gets the information and [TS]

01:08:23   the first half of the story we are we [TS]

01:08:27   have this turn word this supposed to be [TS]

01:08:28   this great subversive work and we need [TS]

01:08:29   the author and the author one robot is [TS]

01:08:32   supposed to be interrogating him the [TS]

01:08:33   authors like sorry that book is just [TS]

01:08:35   crap and you get to that last scene [TS]

01:08:38   where robot is gonna head out the door [TS]

01:08:39   and be like all right well I gave it a [TS]

01:08:41   shot this was a shot in the dark [TS]

01:08:43   and then he goes actually one more thing [TS]

01:08:46   which he doesn't actually say but he [TS]

01:08:48   comes back around and basically like [TS]

01:08:52   what does he do exactly what battle [TS]

01:08:54   which battle did you say your son was [TS]

01:08:56   killed right right there and then it all [TS]

01:08:59   turns because it turns out his son died [TS]

01:09:01   in a battle his son killed himself and [TS]

01:09:03   this is his motivation for writing this [TS]

01:09:05   subversive work and it you know it kind [TS]

01:09:08   of goes down from there he pulls a gun [TS]

01:09:09   and and Prince robot can turn his arm [TS]

01:09:12   into a gun and shoots him in the knee [TS]

01:09:13   and we end up with him Prince robot [TS]

01:09:17   saying that he's gonna stay there and [TS]

01:09:19   wait around for our friends to come but [TS]

01:09:21   anyway that's the colombo trick right [TS]

01:09:23   you give you another guard down you talk [TS]

01:09:25   to him for a while you think you're [TS]

01:09:26   gonna get away with it and then he comes [TS]

01:09:28   back in the room and he and he destroys [TS]

01:09:30   you which is basically what happens here [TS]

01:09:32   except then we get the last panel which [TS]

01:09:35   is the end of the 12th issue in the end [TS]

01:09:37   of the second trade which is the [TS]

01:09:39   revelation that all of our other [TS]

01:09:40   characters that we've been following for [TS]

01:09:42   the first 11 issues have been upstairs [TS]

01:09:44   in this house the entire time where you [TS]

01:09:49   know how they got there and all that [TS]

01:09:50   still to be explained but they've been [TS]

01:09:53   they've been listening to this entire [TS]

01:09:54   conversation the entire episode of [TS]

01:09:56   Columbo that's been going on downstairs [TS]

01:09:59   that's pretty cool pretty good [TS]

01:10:00   cliffhangers pretty good yeah okay and [TS]

01:10:02   saga has been doing this kind of [TS]

01:10:03   interesting thing for folks who you know [TS]

01:10:06   or sometimes hesitant about picking up [TS]

01:10:07   comics were you know they put out six [TS]

01:10:09   issues then they collected in a trade [TS]

01:10:11   and then they they proceeded almost like [TS]

01:10:13   with you know TVC and something so it's [TS]

01:10:16   like we're usually I don't I always wait [TS]

01:10:17   for the trades to come out it's usually [TS]

01:10:18   like I'm you know I'm Way behind people [TS]

01:10:21   are chatting about things that I can't [TS]

01:10:22   read about yet and so far that's not as [TS]

01:10:24   big a problem with saga [TS]

01:10:25   well you know we're running out of time [TS]

01:10:26   but what else should we talk about [TS]

01:10:29   before we go you guys have anything more [TS]

01:10:31   you want to get off your chest before we [TS]

01:10:32   wrap it up it's a recent list all the [TS]

01:10:34   weird thing now ladies with no torsos [TS]

01:10:37   dudes they're only torsos [TS]

01:10:39   oh my god 16 can imagine i don't i'm not [TS]

01:10:42   super familiar with the honest eight [TS]

01:10:45   balls outside of Seattle saga but it [TS]

01:10:46   must have been so much fun to just go [TS]

01:10:48   nuts with sextillion or like any of the [TS]

01:10:51   times where I you know I'm always [TS]

01:10:52   interested in reading how people write a [TS]

01:10:54   script and have somebody and collaborate [TS]

01:10:56   and very interested in that process but [TS]

01:10:58   my gosh what a tremendous amount of [TS]

01:11:00   creativity must take to come up with [TS]

01:11:01   some of that stuff you know [TS]

01:11:03   yeah well I and i enjoyed reading i'm [TS]

01:11:06   gonna turn over whatever i think was at [TS]

01:11:07   the end of one I had one of the single [TS]

01:11:09   issues I think it was issue 12 actually [TS]

01:11:10   and reading at the end [TS]

01:11:12   bryan cave on talks about how much like [TS]

01:11:13   how important use the whole front like [TS]

01:11:15   she's not just the artist right like i [TS]

01:11:17   bounce ideas off her and she comes up [TS]

01:11:18   with sometimes with stuff that's like [TS]

01:11:19   way better than what I came up with my [TS]

01:11:21   you know and i think that's that's so [TS]

01:11:23   important is it seems like they really [TS]

01:11:25   have it's nice to see a creative [TS]

01:11:27   partnership where they're clearly not [TS]

01:11:29   only just on the same wavelength but it [TS]

01:11:31   really is just this it's a partnership [TS]

01:11:32   in the truth is not like alright the [TS]

01:11:34   words you draw the pictures like they [TS]

01:11:36   seem to be working together to tell this [TS]

01:11:37   story and I think it's enhanced by that [TS]

01:11:40   yeah i'm also used in the letter column [TS]

01:11:41   where in several letter columns he says [TS]

01:11:44   oh here's what Fiona said when she got [TS]

01:11:47   to the gym when she read the script and [TS]

01:11:48   one of them is just she gave a sad face [TS]

01:11:52   reply colon parentheses sad because i [TS]

01:11:57   think that was when we when we see the [TS]

01:11:59   stock get killed I think maybe or maybe [TS]

01:12:01   it was when the line cat gets me there [TS]

01:12:03   was a double whammy like two straight [TS]

01:12:04   issues of like pop rank upon what are [TS]

01:12:06   you doing to me to Street issues 12 [TS]

01:12:10   straight issues so yeah that the covers [TS]

01:12:13   are great the the interior artist great [TS]

01:12:16   though we talked about the the narration [TS]

01:12:18   being handwritten you know this is a [TS]

01:12:22   weird book but it's great and it's great [TS]

01:12:26   kind of in all phases i think it's okay [TS]

01:12:28   but you know I guess we're probably went [TS]

01:12:31   down I mean it to me one of the reasons [TS]

01:12:33   I feel like alongside Hawkeye right now [TS]

01:12:36   one reason i can feel really good about [TS]

01:12:38   recommending this to somebody and I [TS]

01:12:40   don't hate this to come out the way it [TS]

01:12:42   sounds but like if you are the one hand [TS]

01:12:44   like if you can't get into this then [TS]

01:12:47   maybe comics aren't your thing because [TS]

01:12:49   there haven't been no stories or maybe [TS]

01:12:51   you're not into maybe there's not [TS]

01:12:52   dependable maybe you don't like love [TS]

01:12:54   maybe you're literally dead inside [TS]

01:12:57   maybe you're really into Mary worth very [TS]

01:13:01   rare Mary worth the both like Hawkeye [TS]

01:13:06   you've got a big you got a big [TS]

01:13:08   understandably a big hurdle to go over [TS]

01:13:10   because nobody likes Hawkeye and you can [TS]

01:13:12   explain to people enough like no really [TS]

01:13:15   like just what is the guy shoots of [TS]

01:13:17   people with bow and arrow [TS]

01:13:18   this is the guy from that gulf war movie [TS]

01:13:20   buff guy no no this is it's a guy with a [TS]

01:13:23   dog trust me just try it but you know in [TS]

01:13:25   that case you've got some baggage but in [TS]

01:13:27   this case I mean if you're even open to [TS]

01:13:29   the idea of comics folks out there [TS]

01:13:32   listeners at this is a this is worth [TS]

01:13:35   this is worth picking up because there's [TS]

01:13:38   a very it's so awkward to say human that [TS]

01:13:41   suddenly sounds incredibly self-involved [TS]

01:13:43   it's very human story is a very personal [TS]

01:13:44   story at the middle of this and I'll [TS]

01:13:46   return to what I said at the beginning [TS]

01:13:47   because I'm obsessed on second and third [TS]

01:13:49   reading of this with the proxies with [TS]

01:13:51   the fact that that so much of what's [TS]

01:13:53   happening throughout this entire book is [TS]

01:13:55   a bunch of people who are who are being [TS]

01:13:57   ground up in a system of proxies like [TS]

01:14:00   you hire proxy to fight your war your [TS]

01:14:02   higher proxies to go find your own [TS]

01:14:04   soldiers who wrote runaway you hire [TS]

01:14:06   proxies to Jack you mean bone like [TS]

01:14:08   whatever you're going to do [TS]

01:14:08   there's somebody that you can hire with [TS]

01:14:10   your black card to go out and do that [TS]

01:14:12   for you and the people who are standing [TS]

01:14:15   athwart that system are trying not to be [TS]

01:14:17   ground up in those gears that people [TS]

01:14:19   used to be part of that system and [TS]

01:14:20   obviously they still are to some extent [TS]

01:14:22   but now they have like serious serious [TS]

01:14:24   skin in the game they've got this little [TS]

01:14:25   baby [TS]

01:14:26   neither one of these people is like any [TS]

01:14:27   parent they feel totally incapable of [TS]

01:14:29   taking care of this thing that suddenly [TS]

01:14:31   means everything to them and and even as [TS]

01:14:33   they like you see the concentric circles [TS]

01:14:35   moving out of people who then begin to [TS]

01:14:37   care about that like you know in the [TS]

01:14:39   case of the grandparents or even meet [TS]

01:14:40   somebody like the will you realize like [TS]

01:14:42   we don't know why the will want to save [TS]

01:14:44   that girl from the comet but but he [TS]

01:14:45   obviously went out of his way to do it [TS]

01:14:47   you know these little these little weird [TS]

01:14:49   little human moments and like if you put [TS]

01:14:51   off by comics and the whole idea of like [TS]

01:14:54   you know perverts in underwear with [TS]

01:14:57   mutant powers i just think this is a [TS]

01:14:58   great place to start as graphic as it is [TS]

01:15:01   because it is there is at the heart of [TS]

01:15:04   it something that's very human which is [TS]

01:15:05   that [TS]

01:15:06   we get we get very torn up by these big [TS]

01:15:08   systems you know like the wire we get [TS]

01:15:11   torn up by big systems but the heart of [TS]

01:15:12   it where were you know there's there's [TS]

01:15:14   love in the middle of all that and it's [TS]

01:15:16   hard to express that without sounding [TS]

01:15:17   mawkish and I think this does that [TS]

01:15:19   extremely well I i would put it up there [TS]

01:15:21   with I mean and again I'm not like super [TS]

01:15:23   broadly well read and comment whatever a [TS]

01:15:25   decent number and I I easily even after [TS]

01:15:27   12 issues feel like this is going up [TS]

01:15:30   there would say like Sandman which for [TS]

01:15:31   me use is one of the this is the great [TS]

01:15:33   examples of what this John work what [TS]

01:15:35   this medium can do it's worth checking [TS]

01:15:37   out even if you're not going to go out [TS]

01:15:39   and fill the bookshelf with comics [TS]

01:15:41   yeah it's perfectly yeah it's a great [TS]

01:15:43   it's a great piece of art that stands on [TS]

01:15:44   its own regardless of whether or not [TS]

01:15:45   it's a comic right like that's it it's [TS]

01:15:47   just it's a good story unless you don't [TS]

01:15:50   want to see robot TV people having sex [TS]

01:15:54   you may not want to see that but it's a [TS]

01:15:56   cost of doing business with you maybe [TS]

01:15:57   you should [TS]

01:15:59   what's guess if you don't want to see [TS]

01:16:00   that what is wrong with you what about [TS]

01:16:02   far too far to get a cream is there [TS]

01:16:04   anything you can do for that I think [TS]

01:16:07   might be in trouble with living on an [TS]

01:16:08   egg yeah your options are limited when [TS]

01:16:10   you're good Jason yeah yeah it's not the [TS]

01:16:13   end for him by the way is he being [TS]

01:16:15   fatalistic their ways as well [TS]

01:16:17   no this isn't a planet sure and then [TS]

01:16:18   like the egg thing also had three eyes [TS]

01:16:20   and he had three hands and it's like [TS]

01:16:22   well you know I don't want to be like [TS]

01:16:23   well 3i guys you got you know you know [TS]

01:16:25   each other but is that there's an ego [TS]

01:16:26   sum symbiotic relationship here I i look [TS]

01:16:28   forward to be farmed spin-off series so [TS]

01:16:32   this looks bad but this looks bad yeah [TS]

01:16:35   fart fart and pizza dog fight crime [TS]

01:16:38   I hate animation I mean I hate [TS]

01:16:40   enchantment I don't like the whole idea [TS]

01:16:42   of like things being enchanted normally [TS]

01:16:44   I'm like God really the stick is real [TS]

01:16:46   you know but in this case the idea of [TS]

01:16:48   the rocket ship with a walk in the woods [TS]

01:16:49   got a full year there's a foyer like [TS]

01:16:51   what is that so delightful to me and [TS]

01:16:53   looks like it's like buying a house [TS]

01:16:55   right like it's it's like you okay there [TS]

01:16:57   the rocket about rocket ship owners now [TS]

01:16:58   right maybe that right never thought [TS]

01:17:00   they'd have enough money to put a down [TS]

01:17:01   payment on a rocketship but I never you [TS]

01:17:04   want to be a druid it just seems so [TS]

01:17:05   fruity and and and now with this one [TS]

01:17:07   going to I'm going to worship a bush you [TS]

01:17:10   know about that in this case like [TS]

01:17:12   there's something that's very resonant [TS]

01:17:13   about it that that whatever stupid [TS]

01:17:15   comment [TS]

01:17:18   and on that note I'm gonna close up this [TS]

01:17:20   edition of the comfortable comic book [TS]

01:17:22   club saga check it out [TS]

01:17:24   you know you just heard that you just [TS]

01:17:25   heard it everybody likes it [TS]

01:17:27   you should read it issue 1 i believe [TS]

01:17:29   it's free on comixology to go out and [TS]

01:17:32   get it unless again you don't like what [TS]

01:17:35   let's run down unless you don't like [TS]

01:17:36   comics you don't like stories [TS]

01:17:38   you don't like love you don't like [TS]

01:17:40   people and you don't like images of [TS]

01:17:42   robots having sex [TS]

01:17:43   those those are only excuses you should [TS]

01:17:46   not be listening to podcasts maybe you [TS]

01:17:48   can buy a nice collection of dilbert [TS]

01:17:49   reprints oh alright so i would like to [TS]

01:17:53   thank my excellent guess for their [TS]

01:17:54   excellent work discussing this wonderful [TS]

01:17:56   piece of a piece of art Dan Morgan thank [TS]

01:17:58   you as always for being here [TS]

01:18:00   a pleasure to be here for this rare [TS]

01:18:02   comic book yes it's nice you should read [TS]

01:18:04   more comic books [TS]

01:18:04   okay done alright Tony sindelar you [TS]

01:18:07   shouldn't read more comic books you read [TS]

01:18:08   enough it was great to have you on again [TS]

01:18:10   that's always fun to be here I'll go [TS]

01:18:11   make can read some more so I can't wait [TS]

01:18:13   for Batman to be a saga that will be [TS]

01:18:15   great when that happens I'm so excited [TS]

01:18:17   what is Batman spaceship look like well [TS]

01:18:19   bat ship like a bat yeah I mean you know [TS]

01:18:22   it's easy [TS]

01:18:23   he doesn't really he doesn't really get [TS]

01:18:24   outside the consistent is conceived in [TS]

01:18:27   the box is bad shape yes and merlin mann [TS]

01:18:31   thank you for being on the uncomfortable [TS]

01:18:33   for a third time [TS]

01:18:34   thank you i appreciate this is a special [TS]

01:18:36   thing you guys are a gentleman thank you [TS]

01:18:39   it's enjoyable to to talk about [TS]

01:18:41   something you're so enthusiastic about [TS]

01:18:42   too so it's great and thanks to [TS]

01:18:44   everybody out there for listening to the [TS]

01:18:45   incomparable and we will see you next [TS]

01:18:47   time [TS]