00:00:01 ◼ ► the incomparable number 185 artists 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► welcome back to being comfortable i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/12">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► your host Jason L we're here in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/14">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► installment to talk about neil gaiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► most specifically his latest novel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/20">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► ocean at the end of the lane we might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► also talk a little bit about other neil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/25">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► gaiman that we have read and thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/26">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► but basically we're gonna focus on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► ocean at the end of the lane and joining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/30">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► me in this edition of our book club to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► talk about it i have two lovely guest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/34">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► dan morgan is here as he always is and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/36">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► do think that i like is i do i know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/39">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► ok thank you think i will not speak much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► you can tell me what to read later and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► hi again hi back I have have I been here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► before I let me sit next to this pond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/54">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► Oh whoo that's a book reference that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► did there was I don't know I don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► so the ocean at the end of the lane a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► I don't know the backstory here I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/68">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► know if who actually did read that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► intended this originally to be a short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/72">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► story and then it kind of got out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/73">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► telling a little bit and if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► famous short the successful writer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► neil gaiman and you write something of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/81">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► any length that you might consider a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► novella from somewhere else your agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/84">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► and your publisher say we wait that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/87">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► novel but it's it's kinda short at it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► a novel will it sell it so it's it's um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► it's 290 pages line along in my addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/96">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► I according to wikipedia 292 page don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/99">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► know you know what hardcover in my hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► in 278 even shorter wow look at that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/104">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► well are you suggesting wikipedia is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/109">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► wrong about something my god we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► broken the well I don't know tonight up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/112">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► the world is not as it appears dan oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► yeah all right there are oceans that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► so um I actually kind of like before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/124">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► get into talking about it i really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/127">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► thousand-page book that's one in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/134">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► something short and sweet and I liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► a lot but also i like i like the words a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/140">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► for of words even more but there weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► that many of them it was kinda nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/149">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► efficiently told some ways which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► to suggest that it's not without its art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► obviously but can be efficient i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► mean i read this i read this on vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► the week before we're recording this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/162">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► previous book I was reading and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/169">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► like all right I'm certain your game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► because i want to read on vacation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► ended up you know i read in a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/175">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► like you know a couple settings settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► like when i finished it before bed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/179">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► yeah i mean that is that's where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► been a long time since i read a book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/184">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► the day rather than couple settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► rather than a tree that you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► I read by the lake i read it on a chick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► in a chair all right I like a comfy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► chair and a porch in a bed two sittings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► and two settings in a box with a fox fox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► yeah with my studies in my socks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► planning I did not read it in the rain I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► would not could not read it in the rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► it's true anyways yeah I wouldn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► funny because I just talked to sit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► have a vacation with my family and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► cousin is a couple years older than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/215">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► science fiction fan and so he's like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/218">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► underlying yet i was like no no I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/221">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► it on this trip I'm gonna read it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► he's he you know tried very hard not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/224">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► spoil i actually knew very little about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► this book going in despite the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► i follow him on twitter and read his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/229">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► blog like I I sort of got bits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► pieces but not I did not read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► jacket or anything like that I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► went in unprepared and I think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► what i think i like that you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/239">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► think that's something I don't do very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/240">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► often and it's refreshing it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► going to a movie that you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/243">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► anything about right and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► surprised and delighted by it like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► wow this is pretty cool i dont even into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► a trailer or commercial for anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/250">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► they're required backstory don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/251">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► know what universe it's set in or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► series it's a part of or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► hey Neil Gaiman road new book i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► to read it anyway yeah and i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/261">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► further point about that but I wait wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/262">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► until we get to the book discussion so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► noted yet I mean I i read it in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► sittings to just over two nights but any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► settings only only one only one to enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/270">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► yeah yeah next time I'll build a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► and yeah i mean i originally I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► just because my older son is in to neil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/282">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► graveyard book and without alright you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► know we'll get this and yeah if if i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/292">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► so when you through this and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► yeah alright i can do that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► mentioned it to an actor friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/301">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► and he said oh my god you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► love it said okay you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► any-any didn't spoil and he wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/309">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► you know it was the same kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/310">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► and so last night after i finished it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/311">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► I said oh my god and he said yep there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/316">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► you go and i'll tell you what else he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/320">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► said later but that's part of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► discussion one of the things I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/324">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► liked about this book is ok first off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► Neil Gaiman is a really good writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► let's just say yeah well he's either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/331">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► that's a given let's just put that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► well there are a lot of successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► people were big fan followings I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► naming names who are even even something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► like george RR martin who has got a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/344">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► of things going for people whose books I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/345">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► like we don't need to talk about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/348">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► feed and things like that people whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► books i like but I read them i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► well I like the idea is more than I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► the actual writing right real game is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► good writer yeah and sometimes the words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► are to the you know to the service of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► the book we you don't stop and reread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► that particular turn of phrase for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► example and there's nothing wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► that either plenty of books i read where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/368">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► it's like I've died like the story like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► the characters not really paying a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/372">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► of attention the writing but like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/373">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► that that is sort of that's like gravy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/374">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► for me like if you know and sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► gets in the way like there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/379">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► definitely writers who try too hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► be like good like lyrical writers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► they that it just gets obfuscating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► terms of like the story but but his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► stuff is subtle and not something you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/391">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► re-reading sentences and I'm realizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► that sir it's really really well-crafted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/398">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► sentence did not show we necessarily no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/399">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► no they're not just weren't but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► there to the point and yet I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► your laurita sensitive man if I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► that sounds that sounds would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/409">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► sentence you like punch the air and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/416">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► up and go with you I'll be like oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► god i'm neil gaiman that's amazing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► yeah yeah he's a good writer and um and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► then I like the tone of this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/426">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► and I've seen their similar tones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► written a lot of his books have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► kind of tone but I like that it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► know it starts off as a memoir it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► into sort of a fairy tale it never it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► never seems even when it's sort of at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► its most scary or at least has the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► plot complication by the antagonist of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► it never I don't know it always seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/453">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► kind of gentle I'll take issue with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► one particular scene but overall I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► I fair enough i think i'll see where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► see where you're going a reminder there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► yes that's right the core there's a some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► ugliness but around especially the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/467">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► essentially are reading his memoir and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► until suddenly it becomes something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► that's different but it's just it's i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/474">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► don't know it was very pleasant to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/477">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► the whole experience was pleasant in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► all the settings and settings that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► took three did make me think that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► other you mention the memoir part like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/485">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and knowing as much about neil gaiman as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► i did because i have followed him for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► many years and like personally like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► foam around now I because I because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► read a lot of this stuff because i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/495">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► his blog i know a little bit about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/496">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► know his life whatever shares in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► internet and so knowing that stuff it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► was very interesting to read and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► influenced by you know his own life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► because it's not hard to read into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► at least in the beginning you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/510">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► there's they're certainly elements of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► sure but yeah I thought that was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► thought that was interesting one and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► gentleness is what makes those horrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► moments stand out and makes them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► much more effective to because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/524">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► almost like he's load you into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► just beautiful storytelling in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► beautiful setting and even when I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► the characters are doing that too right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► yeah the the family whose name now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/539">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► great they keep reassuring him to in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/546">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► flashbacks that it's gonna be okay just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► hold my hand everything's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/553">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► fine and so not only is the writer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► the tone of the book reassuring you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/557">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► protagonist it's gonna be okay don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► worry about it just hold on it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► well I'm not that worried it's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/566">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► it's fine and then enforce it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► entirely five break when it's a way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► getting him through it and even at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► end when he gets through in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► trying not to spoil anything but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/580">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► it comes back to the reassurance and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► yes of course that's exactly how it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► yes it's okay the the writer reminded me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► the most of the book that reminded me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/593">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► the most up was actually ray bradbury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► something wicked this way cause like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► yeah there's a very similar tone to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► book which is also sort of about dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► with that childhood not quite the cusp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/605">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► of childhood but like there's an element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/610">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► of being a kid and being exposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► these fantastical elements and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► I think we all it's always interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► to read a book from the perspective of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► child especially like fancy books like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► this because i don't know about you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► but I kind of really putting myself back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► feeling like a kid again and thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► about how when you're a kid how real all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► those things are to you and so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► lot of the book which for me at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/635">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► the first half or so I reading through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/638">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► like well there's a lot in here that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► can kind of you could almost rationalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/641">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► in a very logical like real world kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► of way like there are real-world events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► that might cause a child to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/649">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► imagine these types of things compounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/653">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► with you know something bad happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► right like their traumatic events for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► example that could happen and how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► might turn into a different sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/663">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► story in your head as a child thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► about it that are very different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► the perspective of being an adult which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► is why you know when we sort of lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/671">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► into the book it starts with the adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► and then regreses back to the kid for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► so I I thought that was very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► all done because it when you are kid all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/679">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► that stuff is so real to you like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► being a kid you know if the idea of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► a monster under your bed or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/687">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► like that right like that is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/688">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► real tangible thing to you as a child in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► a way that doesn't really make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/692">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► into even looking back from an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► like oh how could I have even believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► that but at the time it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► right like it's true as far as you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► concerned because it has an effect on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► you so I think he's great at capturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► that element of you know how real and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► visceral these things feel as a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► and just the idea of the unexplained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► should we fire off the spoiler horn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► talk about this a little more detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► right now I had so let me let me visit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► was just saying it but in like concrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► terms okay yeah i'm laying on me so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► know we have to deal with the the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► that this this this kid basically she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/729">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► like a dead body right like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/731">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► first sort of major thing that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► in the book I feel like I mean and else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/734">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► is a really horrific i mean like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/737">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► thing before before there's before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► there's real magic right there is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/741">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► oh yeah you're right though damn i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/746">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► first off they may kill his kitten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► yeah that God man attacks the cab driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► comes up and kills his kitten the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► larger it's like what got you a new cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► had like a million evil cat right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► cat and his little black kitten honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► with you mind that that's so sad because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► as I grew I grew up with cats and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► were right on the highway and the cats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► didn't last very long i have I I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► tell you how many kind of forward of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/770">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► things in my childhood I can mark by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► death of an animal like that that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► you know my cats that when they were hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► by a car on the highway just awful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► so that really hit home and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► before even the larger and kills himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► out by the end of the lane right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► and that to me that element i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/790">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► didn't i did not have pets going up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► the closest I got was like a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/793">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► mine got a cat like a kitten and his mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► was like oh well you know like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/798">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► get to have a cat like a parent watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► very carefully you can like have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/801">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► part-owner so you can like come over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► visit the cat and like and then they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► to put the cat to sleep like two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/806">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► later because I always and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► three probably a really good thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► I didn't have a cat because that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► just like broken me as a child but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/813">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► pointedly that you can't help that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/819">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► something was like I couldn't help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► feel like this happened like it out real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► but it's almost rolled dollars yeah wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► for me to where it's like you start the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/827">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► story and it's like here's a boy and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► had a perfectly ordinary childhood and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► he had a cat and the cat was crushed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► a cab driver because their parents had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► to rent out rooms because they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► know they they didn't have the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► birthday party and nobody comes to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► yeah very rolled all right i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/847">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► always go back to change the gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► and.and I read some of these books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► every time i get there i get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► sensitive and sponge and spiker and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► gah it's doing that and then their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► parents were eating at the zoo and admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► I got some of that from the ocean at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► end of the line and you know he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► it's not just oh yeah he has to give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► the bedroom that was especially you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► to get the washbasin just his job for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► him sleep and sleep in his sister's room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► blue we see what I'm saying like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► terms of like the effects of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► that's real like so you know you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/882">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► like with the dead body and then later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► on there's in the other and i know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► is skipping around a little bit like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/887">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► Monkton moncton like you know so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/893">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► basically like his father basically has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► an affair with her right like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► almost see that as like in a real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► event that was viewed through the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► of a child she must be a monster because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/907">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► she came in and broke up my family right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► like and and that's the the line that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► walks that makes this so powerful for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► everything is something that can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/918">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► explained rationally in this in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► story but there are like little touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/921">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► points of that where that line is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► permeable for children right the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/925">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► imagination and and I think that's he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► does such a great job of capturing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/932">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► it's like to be a small child who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► that imagination especially because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/937">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► don't you guys but like identified with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► him in terms of like you talk about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► read books all the time write like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► was me like growing up like I read books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/944">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► like all the time I had my nose in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► book all the time and that's and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/948">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► definitely how I felt at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/949">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► about like the imagining all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► adventures and stories and great things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/952">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► that I could go off and be doing and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► that is why it's such a such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/956">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► piece of work in in terms of bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► this character to life and that was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► call back to an earlier point that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/964">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► said about my cousin mention this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► to me he said he he explained he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► telling a friend about the book is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/969">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► I really love this book about this boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► you know and he has this interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/972">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► experience as a kid and he goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► some of it and his friend estimate its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► voice name and he suddenly stopped and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/978">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► wait hold on you never told us they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/983">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► and that's like but I didn't realize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► really acts asked about it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► didn't register in my in my mind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► were never told what his name is right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/992">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► the framing sequence of this book to is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/996">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► I kind of assumed it's a funeral of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► of his parents as well now although it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► yeah uh which i think i kinda like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► given what we see about his parents and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and how Ursula Monkton and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► basically inserts herself in this family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and you know have sex with the father [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► and and the and the narrator sees that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► there's something going on there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► could on one level blade say well it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► magic it's not his fault but what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► Ursula Monkton story she she wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► these horrible things that she does are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► all actually trying to give people kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► of what they want which is even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► horrible but then so this family that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► had all this stuff i mean when we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► the framing sequence we're seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► he's an adult now and so presumably one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► avoiding going to the reception have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► the after the bear held by instead going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► to this this house at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► lane then and then we find out that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► gone there will be several times really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► his life but never remembers which is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► mean I literally I this never used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► happen to me I used to be you know stoic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► all my life I mean I credits me come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► home when I was seven I cried at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► of Wrath of Khan and we're not even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► Spock dies it's when Kirk's voice goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► his was the most here right yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► yeah and and I cried when they did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► memorial special after Jim Henson passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► away and that you know they do the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► song at the end of just one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► believes in you long enough and strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► enough to call God you know you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► aside from that nothing nothing got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► Bambi nothing Old Yeller dog bad i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► but just I'm sorry thanks them any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► more editing work for me them also use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► usually I'm worried about that but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► after I had children I think was we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► the first one for a couple months and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► just needed something to read because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► you know I hadn't read books in awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► this year it's just baby baby baby oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► baby and i read this Batman no man's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► land by graça that's great I loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► oh yeah and there's the adaptation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► that arc in the graphic novels and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► gets to the subplot where the Joker's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► kidnapped all the newborn baby boys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► Gotham and is going to kill them one by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► one and I'm sitting there just tears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► pouring down my face and going this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► bad man novel what is wrong with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► sensitive to things like that and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► end of this book i read the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► chapters with tears just pouring down my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► hysterics may be quiet but just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► couldn't stop and you know then it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► just sort of like I described last night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► as the this sort of full chest feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► of sorrow and joy and redemption and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► sadness and you know just all-in-one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► you know the thought that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► almost it's almost going back to wrinkle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► in time it's as if Charles Wallace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► didn't come back and saved the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► Yeah right right yes yeah it you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► right because it's that sacrifice of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► one who spoons special and has the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► special talent to save everybody else in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► this case to save the unnamed narrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► and you know so so having that echoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► for me was kinda weird to like oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► i was thinking of Florida rings during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► when when they explain what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► with letty at the end of this book where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► is dying and I I think it's the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► it's so see metaphors there in the ocean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► they're going off and the seabed might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► universe right it looks like you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► don't recognize her when she comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► if she comes back i just love the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► one line that i felt like i should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► hardcover so it's harder to highlight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► things but the one that I remembered was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► that the the narrator asks her at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► point he says but how old are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► she says 11 he says how long have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► yeah what a great line the light falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► yes that that's a sense for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► yeah so i mean her little brother is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► jeff t yeah well see that's I I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► like Ray Bradbury but i also got a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► of Harlan Ellison in this well Neil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► Gaiman I mean this is his yeah right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► mean it's that it's that it's magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► yeah exactly right it's grounded yeah in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► a way that a lot of the the Harlan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► Ellison stuff is and I mean that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► Neil Gaiman Harlan also know i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► think you know know each other pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► well and I mean but here they are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► even Neil Gaiman seems very gentle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► not but up although i will take as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► mentioned that one seal i was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► this out on the docket our lake and uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► got to the bathtub scene and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► scene in which his father basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► tries to drown trying to drown him yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► and I finished reading that and I close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► the book and just sort of give a visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► like a audible like you know I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► stop at that was like the end of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► first sort of you know sitting reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► it because it's just I could I needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► breathe after that right like it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► well done and so affecting of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► why I can imagine it right but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► know the idea of your father trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► drown you like it is terrifying and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► you know that that element of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► kid and being not having control right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► and not having and something has entered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► your world and it's change your world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► and you don't like what's happened right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► fundamentally that's what Ursula Monkton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► is that she's invested their house but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► she's she's causing change and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► changed that the about this boy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► for lots of good reasons doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► but you can see the the metaphor there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► yeah absolutely i just did but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► it was so affecting i had to put it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► ya and that almost never happens to me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► almost always you know so like yeah I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► more stoic probably the day it's park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1404">TS</a>]
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00:31:01 ◼ ► needs to sit there but what's tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► interesting about in the dark outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► the house is that he has to be alone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► he can't make them go away all he can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► is sit there and take it and so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► visited and he has to sit there and take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► it and he has to sit and take his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► temptations and abuse and he end and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► sort of dashing of his hopes and he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► to just sit there he learned his lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► and so he does and that's what saved his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► life and and one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► school is you know like when his father [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► comes out and his sister comes out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► don't know if those are really them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► it could be right because they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► come out and be like why are you out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► yeah yeah I was that was it or was it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► was it who knows because they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► been under the under the spell of evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► Ursula Monkton to the house the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► just in the house is a threat and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► know nobody believes the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► where the mother doesn't believe him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► his sister doesn't believe him and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► that was again I was having those and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► sponge and spyker kind of moments of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► just like this poor oh this poor kid he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► knows the truth but nobody will believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► him and it's just so you know it it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► a classic thing but it's just it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► well done i gotta say I really loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► surprisingly the cart they got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► actually made me laugh out loud was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► scene where his parents come to collect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► them from the have stocks and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► he's like picturing and picturing it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► I'm like what does have to do and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► they kind of distract you and then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► they pull out the and you put thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► bringing his toothbrush and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► father kind of puzzle bleep rope pulls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► the truth project this pocket I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► that's a mitt like you such a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► of the misdirection in the Senate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► everything there i laughed out loud at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► the ohio i guess i have his toothbrush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► in my pockets like is I see what you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► there and that's and that's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► magic because it doesn't play on are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► the things we know about magic instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► they're like stitching together like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► reading reality it's so mundane is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► yeah they're just doing their work and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► ki think I can do this I can put this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► together and they're reading the fabric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► of reality but they're not casting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► spells or anything at some point he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► you know gonna do a spell or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► or like something else like that no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► don't do that but they they do succeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► in changing the parents memories and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► and making the toothbrush like appear or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► retro actively be brought or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► this result like a doctor who moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► there yeah oh yeah one I love the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► where he's being chased by the vultures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► of the void and that you know they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► parentheses and italics where he feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► the sensation of dying he feels the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► sensation of the culture ripping his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► oh yeah and and then oh yeah and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► everything's the seams came together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► suddenly he's fine and let is on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► him and he set that up so beautifully by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► doing the earlier thing of talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► how they stitched together things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► snip here and snip there and put it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► and but he doesn't make a big deal of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► in that moment it's just you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► remember that right but afterward they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► make it clear that they basically went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► back and fixed it so he didn't get torn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► yeah but it's so beautiful gasps oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► and part of the reason i love this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► I'll say this is maybe my favorite thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► um because I I like bits and pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► american gods but I don't like american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► it's just too long and and I like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► Nancy boys but and i love the graveyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► book um but this is just the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► length it it really couldn't be shorter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► but it really couldn't be longer and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► mean there's no padding there's no fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► in this book it's just everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► right there and it's done and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► everything I was looking through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► front of the book where has the also by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► Neil Gaiman list I've read everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► that list is the for adults and i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► read many of the things in the for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► ages they're not most of the illustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► stuff honestly and I've red Sandman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► which is salmon may still be my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► because i like those long epic things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► and Sandman is is amazing in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► its ability to weave all these men you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► know huge amounts of genres together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► it's so varied and so amazing and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► are there are episodes there are issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► of that than my mind are almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► almost a perfect almost a perfect story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► so I will but I i love this as well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► I I like almost everything he's written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► i have enjoyed almost everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► he's written some of it I you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► of it sticks better than others in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► head but I think he's amazing as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► author I can turn one of those gushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► podcast i know that's the people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► people who like us to love things will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► love this episode the people who like us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► to tear things apart will be very sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► I i did not like American my love I left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► American Gods I like tonight is great i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► I didn't think I like well it wasn't too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► long there was two there were probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► some chapters in there that weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► true but I liked it a lot i I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► enjoyed that I just read never where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► like never wear and I liked it is fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► IIF I read it I haven't seen the TV the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► TV mini-series this we definitely has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► aged poorly well so there's things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► are great about it and there are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► definitely is low budget and what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► odd about never wears the stories that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► yeah and then he injected into a novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► which is very odd but some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► performances in there are fantastic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► guy who plays the Marquis is great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► that that will that I think that 10 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► Harrison Joseph was great in that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► fantastic was rumored at one point to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► a doctor in the lander eleventh Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► contender and of course islington the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► angel is Peter Capaldi yes in radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► benedict cumberbatch andy him mrs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► Lincoln yeah I mean listen I had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► listened to that but I i really i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► the book I thought he does it again that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► is such an interesting because it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► really about the permeation between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► lines of reality and fantasy right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► very very strongly delineating there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► that's kind of weird game and lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► right like that's his that's his wheel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► her but that was also every having read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► them in the reverse of how when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► were written i also have enjoyed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► china mieville kind of feeling with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► with me everywhere because it's that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► I know that there are others navel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► drawing a book called on London they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► a bunch of urban fantasy books that play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► this trope now but it's almost like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► know game and got there a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► before this latest wave with never wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► where it is the there's the London you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► know and then there's the magical London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► that's living you know underground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► mostly but just you know in parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► with what's happening on the what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► regular people think of us as London and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► uh yeah i like i like it a lot is Nancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► boys is fine i always remember too well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► that the story of Anansi the spider was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► something that I really remember clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► yeah and so to see that and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► American Gods uh but and I liked it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► I loved american gods and the graveyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► book now that is a book that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► is a great piece of work that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► that might be my favorite of his uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► essentially a young adult book but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► he front loads it with the worst part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► the murder happens at the very beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► and everything else after that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► happened at the beginning where the kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► parents get killed get stabbed by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► guy with the big knife man after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► it's just ghosts and friendly ghosts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► yeah it's fine but that beginning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► interesting career has me he's got his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► screenplays and he's got his comics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► he's got stories and he's got a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► adult and juvenile fiction and then he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► got adult fiction he is all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► yeah they're so there's a lot there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► without i have good omens and I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► read it that I would only ask you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► that was the first real game and thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► i've ever read because i was huge terry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► pratchett fans starting back in cheese I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► must have been like 10 or something i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► started reading terry pratchett and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► somehow i came across that when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► like well there's this other guy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► to terry pratchett maybe this will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► good though and i actually have a my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► copy of that is autographed by both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► succession you notice my old like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► dog-eared paperback of them but they it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► was it still feels cool to me they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► like that I love that book it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► it's it's such a fascinating melange of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► the two writers out there but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► parts of that book that stick with me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► this day even though i haven't read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► in like 15-20 years probably but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► and there's some line about like a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► with a is his wound from Nam was acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► up and there's a footnote it's like he'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► gone to be at nam and slipped in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► shower or something like that but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► a very terry pratchett but like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► still like it was its just oh it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► so yeah I again i'm a huge fan of of i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► have I think devoured almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► that he's written at least four adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► mostly young adults i have to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► volumes of absolute sandman sitting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► my bottom shelf and some day will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► not a collection but those aren't cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► no they're not like a hundred bucks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► shot well you feel you can figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► how to do it right you can get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► bit cheaper than that but still he asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► yeah but they're gorgeous it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► tough part with them is like it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► to read because it's like they're so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► it's like the giant heart like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► 10-pound hardcover books and you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► all right it's not exactly something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► like take on the train for like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► yeah I've got the absolute watch men and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► it's the same thing is it's great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► it's it in Norma's the coffee table 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► ya light light on the caption balancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► on your chest and wake up just before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► kills you when you fall it falls on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► actually yes that's basically it so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► else what else to say about ocean at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► end of the lane before we move on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► have any any other the scene we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► touch upon which i really like to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► cousin actually was saying it was his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► favorite teen was the scene where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► bring the ocean to him and he goes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► the illusion right yeah that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► that that's the premise of that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► the story it's the title and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► idea that she calls it upon our notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► even though it's just a pond and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► you know we we finally see we get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► payoff of you know that had just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► this thing is an ocean when he's he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► it and he has to go in there there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► they going to put a minute to protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah yeah and he but he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► see and he knows everything in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► universe right yeah but if he was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► the longer he would stay there the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► diffuse he would become until he was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► intelligence who just be spread out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► yeah you can you can't know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► in the universe without just being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► universe so you have to you'll you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► you know you like a little alka-seltzer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► pillage could get out of there is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► just dissolve away and that and then of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► course that's what at what happens when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► a lady is you know she has to go off i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► like to that the the family came from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► across the ocean to the old country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► yeah so that that's that that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► nice bit of mythology that if the ocean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► is essentially the universe that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► are from somewhere else and I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► without there's a lot of that just now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► touches where it's not overbearing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► it's not full of detailed you know well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► we came from this place and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► it's just like they're from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► else you get it but if anybody needs any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► what's wrong what's funny to me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► there's you know we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► your practice i can go and there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► old mrs. hemp stock character is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► reminiscent to me of so there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► a series of terry pratchett about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► witches including a Granny Weatherwax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► was like the oldest of old witches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► like there's not there's some there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► characters in some ways they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► similar very built from the same mold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► these like the wise old women who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► kinda kinda Reverend at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► kinda catchy but like you know clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► incredibly powerful and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► that there's interesting something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► there and also the fact that you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► many of the characters someone mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► so many it i think it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► interesting is someone comments and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► thinking all the women are brilliant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► I was like this is interesting that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► is this is a book that that very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► revolves around female characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► despite the the antagonist being a boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► but female characters certainly make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► the ball I mean the only other male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► characters i can think of are the father [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► and the Minor Roger yeah and yeah he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► doesn't last very long new but yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► even the father who spends most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► book being sort of a pond of Ursula [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► Monkton right so that's you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► an element to he asks the narrator asks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► them about the about the women are made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► about the men are there are there men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► around there like why would we yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► Willingham sometimes but they go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► again we only need men to make more men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► yeah yeah I was there why would we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► to do that and get point it know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► struck me reading the acknowledgments we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► talked about how he wrote it and he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► into how each night he would read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► aloud in bed to his wife and he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► learned and discovered more about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► words while he was reading them aloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► and that had never happened to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► and I think that really comes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► that's that's part of why it just sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► you know it's yeah and I mean I do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► all the time as a playwright because i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► writing for things to be spoken aloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► and so it was really neat to see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► this kind of shifted because it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► feel different to me from some of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► other novels and I don't know if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► it or if it's the just that the narrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► is supposed to be a child but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► written from children's point of views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► before so that area is not child though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► the narrator is an adult for calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► being right right right not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► same next write the same i don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► i read a few chapters of one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► novels while we were my wife and I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► driving back from LA to San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► and the car radio was broken and she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► been reading this novel written so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► just was reading chap the next chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► boy was that and I mean honestly time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► what an incredible thing to do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► all of your weaknesses are laid bare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► when you read 11 I I once tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► record an audio book of one of my novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► and like could not record the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► chapter because i kept changing like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► got that sounds terrible have to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► that like and then you get to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► even this is gonna take a ton of editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► oh I've gotta like go through read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► all out change everything then go get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► back and reread it and recorded but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► I'm probably just gonna find more stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► that i need to change but it does your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► words take on a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► character when they're spoken aloud like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► the hay singh and that you mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► this but like you know the pacing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► and where you take poz with them on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► rhythm yeah and all this the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► yeah well one of the things I love i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► find a link to this for the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► because it's it is a lot of fun to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► Elmore Leonard has these ten rules of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► writing and I don't have them memorized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► but they're fantastic and there he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► right i mean they work their one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► is you know nobody expressed relates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► they said just say I know I know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► got the central I've heard that one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► know and they didn't say it explicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► you don't need your adverbs let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► adverbs go you know and then when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► it's there and it's effective because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► does he use adverbs every now and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► just not very much and it really helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► with that rhythm and it really helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► with you know because a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► things we add in to sound smart when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► we're writing he would never say out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► loud you know and and when you strip all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► something that just it sounds real one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► of the things that bugs me in reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► dialog is when people address each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► by names a lot and then like that always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► sounds fake to me yesterday and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► I know what yes Jason Jason I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► what you're saying Jason but Jason's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► don't think you're fully thinking this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► through Jason I don't think i am and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► feels weird for me just like I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► guy but like which is interesting when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► applied to this book where we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► character who never gets named right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► like that's kind of on the other end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► the spectrum but it works right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► it's at the hem stocks get named the ham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► stock Sanderson to get named the opal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► miner the father insisted the mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► nobody else is only half sister doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► yeah not that's not even occur to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► until writer that's amazing yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► that singular way it doesn't it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► doesn't bother me registers a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► books in which you would be like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► the heck is this guy's name already but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► like you know I haven't seen that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► so effectively pulled off since fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► club so the ocean at the end of the lane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► has already been optioned by Tom Hanks's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► production company play tone and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► yeah that's right to be great now the v [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► well Tom Hanks's company which which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► obviously was one of the co-producers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► like band of brothers and from the earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► to the moon and they're making they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► the ones who are making American Gods is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► apparently for a feature a option to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► pre-existing relationship there I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► the less the new story I've got on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► is from februari so obviously there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► know there's there's more purple an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► introduction and the options it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► interesting options don't always mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► always filigree lights but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► interesting that the dead but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► where it is and yet you know again 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► this is the kind of story that you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► want to make a movie out of because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► don't have to drop you know seventy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► percent of it in order to get online and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► Game of Thrones or flipping through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► pages really fast like a harry potter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► book where it's like now just supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► to say then over here you know I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► argued for years the that a short story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► makes a better movie than a novel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► because a novel is kind of it and short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► story every word has to count movies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► short stories you're exactly stories TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► shows and movies TV shows novels example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► yeah yeah movies are short stories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► so adapting short stories are in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► case it's a short novel makes a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► sense and he's got another let and knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► not the lie T and it's novel ish it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► establish a novel is it novel is it new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► was their novelty little think there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► a novelty of it yeah course it's novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► ask its novel ask excellent well before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► before we go I want to ask you gentlemen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► the musical question that's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► musical but i like to ask and whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► we talk about books which is what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► you reading i'm kind of curious what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► other you look what are you reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► oh yeah we should get lex friedman to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► a jingle for what are you reading he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► would totally do that then we could play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► it because it would be we would want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► listen to it but he would do it for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► just imagine your head with nobody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► to do it because then we'll have to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► I personal various it's it's nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► because we read lots of things we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► this was a short book i'm sure there Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► even mentioned that he had been reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► another book before he started reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► the ocean available and i started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► reading another book directly after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► finishing the ocean and you just tearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► it up on vacation i tell you i'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► that especially when there's no internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► yeah that's book it's booked this my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► family my family so we have this this my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► uncle's got this place in the finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► lakes and there's no internet there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► the very little cell signal it makes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► made of it is haha my family which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► librarians and a lot of teachers and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► read a lot and my my cousin's husband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► once commented after like walking into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► room with like six people reading books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► like man you must really drive your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► neighbors crazy with that sound of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► flipping pages then you can I come with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► you to finger like sometimes like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► pacification it's pretty awesome but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► not gonna lie it's great my god i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► it's very quiet and then yeah so I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► i finished you've been reading before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► that I finish the second book in been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► Aaron bitches rivers of London's here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► your urban fantasy 7 london i was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► drop his neighbor yes I read so I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► the rivers of London which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► marketed in the u.s. under a midnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► riot which is kind of a not as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► title in my opinion but I read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► second book which is called moon over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► I like those books they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► they're not quite my favorite urban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► fantasy book remains the guy carries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► Felix caster series which is awesome and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► this is this is fun but like doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► quite get up there for me i had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► part of the Felix caster what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► those whose greatest they're basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► such a tone perfect noir set in London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► acceptance imagine Philip Marlowe were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► an exorcist in London look it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► it's brilliant it's incredibly well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► but these are still fun and they're kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► of they deal with a young man who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► police constable and in his first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► in the first book he encounters a ghost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► and then somehow gets recruited to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► under the last sort of remaining wizard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► who works for the Metropolitan Police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Detective Chief Inspector and so he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► apprentice wizard as everybody is also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► police constable that's fun and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► paperback which had been a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► realized end up on a paperback book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► so long that my ebooks have become my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► paperbacks I'll still buy occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► books in hardcover like I bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► neil gaiman book hardcover but if I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► some this kinda like the quick disposal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► read like i usually buy books but about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► a the back of the latest book in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► nyomi Novak's Temeraire series my book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► yeah my simple the latest one is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► crucible of gold about a dragon's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► halfway to two-thirds of the way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► it probably I I read everything else in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► the series but it's been many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3239">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► since i read the last one so i kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► like but it's it's it's pretty good in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► terms of the ability to sort of pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► it up even years later and be like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► yeah I kind of remember who the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► characters this are in she's quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► good writer and she does a great job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► capturing that sort of the other CS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► forester Patrick O'Brien like elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► of the the swashbuckling nautical tales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► but like she goes interesting places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► with those books which I didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► that she would both quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► literally in terms of like they spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► lot of time sort of globe-trotting as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► well as they could have been just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► of adventure fun series but she actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► gets into some issues that i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► were really interesting in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► well these dragons are sentient em are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► they basically slaves like what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► deal with that so it gets a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► little more depth than I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► would originally and so this is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► sixth book in the series i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► seventh one is coming out pretty soon so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► those are fun enjoy them all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► I've got the first one on my candle it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► David what a what have you been reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► well I've been reading been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► research for something that involves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► so what I'm not reading fiction reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► this book called slights of mind which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► know Lex Friedman has red actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► because we've talked about it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► about it's not just an optical illusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► but it's how illusions work and how our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► minds try to rationalize them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► especially how we know that a magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► trick is a trick you know we know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► being distracted and yet we still go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► we still accept it why and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► really interesting and it's it talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► with Penn & Teller a lot and a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► other magicians and pickpockets and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► it's really fascinating research then on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► the fiction side I've got this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► called summer and bird by Catherine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► Catmull which my friend who just read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► ocean as well he said if you really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► try reading a book that's all that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► oh my god you know it's a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► poetic it's a little more fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► oriented than this necessarily but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► that so I'm giving it a try and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► I've got the last policeman by Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► winters sitting on my kindle which I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► think it one mystery award actually but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► pre-apocalyptic story where they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► yeah there's like this this asteroid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► coming that they know is going to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► the earth and destroy it and so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► these people have you know quit their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► whatever they want in the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► months before it hits and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► murder and this is his chance to step up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► detective instead of just a policeman so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► he goes and tries to solve this murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► and it's the first of a trilogy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► second one just came out apparently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► so again I've had you know like five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► six people including scott McNulty hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► the first one was very good and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► like all right i'll give it a try i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► accelerometer by charles stross which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► really liked and charles stross is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► because some of his stuff i really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► and some of the stuff leaves me kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► cold his his halting state series that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► set in the near future in Scotland an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► independent Scotland as part of the EU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► they're fine they don't really thrill me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► I like Saturn's children which is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► wild sex pot takes a grand tour of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► solar system novel that was nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► for Hugo accelerant oh I really liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► that's one of his more well-regarded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► like that sort of one of his flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► novel yeah it's really good i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► published 2006 it does feel a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► the first few chapters he's doing a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► of jargon that is recognizable uh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► that is cultural references and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► they're a little bit dated there seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► years dated uh but but as you might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► set it as you might guess from the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► things accelerate rapidly and you leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► the the weakest chapters that are set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► the near very near future behind and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► gets increasingly weird as it goes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► it tries to portray in a way that vernor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► vinge e and a bunch of other writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► acceleration of human growth is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► exponential and it's like you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► humans won't even be able to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► it will be things will be advancing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► fast and and so if you can portray that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► you're like all right i mean like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► my favorite veggie novels he basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► just everybody ahead in time a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► years and there's nobody left in my cup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► the singularity must happen to well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► acceleration dos tres actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► shows you tries to show you what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► singularity would be like if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► person who was living through it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► think he does a pretty good job it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► I mean it's not perfect because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► very difficult concept he does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► little bit of a plot to string you along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► as well it does a lot of the same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► that I I sort of feel like Kim Stanley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► Robinson was trying to do in his Hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► nominated 2312 but what I really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► about a XL Rondo and people i know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► listened to our Hugo cast know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► didn't really like 2312 I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► accelerometer did all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► that that Kim Stanley Robinson just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► failed to do with 2312 that for a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► who gets tagged a lot of times as being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► a strong as being a guy who's a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► tech guy and he's more interested in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► lot of the technology stuff than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► than the people i think that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► the I i think that might be a knock on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► him is that is that he doesn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► have these his character healing Karen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► have these his character healing Karen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► that's right but and yet in Excel Rondo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► like people are people in the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► they have passions and they have loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► and there's there's even in these women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► there is a scenic accelerometer where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► there's an entire culture that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► running in a in a virtual reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► simulation on a little chip that's in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► spaceship the size of a soda can that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► half way to Alpha Centauri on a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► solar sail and yet there is still petty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► human jealousy and misunderstandings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► all sorts of things happening in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► virtual reality in the soda-can because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3630">TS</a>]
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01:03:44 ◼ ► this edition of the uncomfortable and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► want to thank my guests my my two guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYhHE4E/3828">TS</a>]
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