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welcome back everybody to be
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uncomfortable we are competing another
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edition of our comic book club
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I decided that were we had such a great
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time talking about comics with with
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Merlin man in fact not too long ago that
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we would come back and do it again there
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are a couple comics out there right now
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that I feel like everybody's talking
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about as a comics you must read if you
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want to read like what's going on today
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the hottest comics today and one of the
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saga which we talked about in episode
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154 with marlin and Dan Morin and Tony
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sindelar and we're back to talk about
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the the other one that keeps coming up
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first i heard about it was actually on a
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previous comp club when jason bright
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mentioned it and I well he was right
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it's great and we're going to talk about
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it tonight it's Hawkeye written by matt
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fraction i know you're saying it's the
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guy with the bow and arrow from the
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Avengers and I know it seems ridiculous
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that a comic about Hawkeye would be so
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beloved and rightfully so but it's true
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that is the amazing thing about this
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comic by Mac matt fraction and primarily
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drawn by i'm going to get the name right
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daveed haha he's spanish you see and
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there are filling artist because he
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can't apparently can't draw fast enough
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to fill the holes of every single issue
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but he's the primary artist so fantastic
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comic we're going to talk about tonight
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we're going to cover the first two
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trades which is essentially issues 1
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through 11 of Hawkeye we if we do
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mention something in issue 12 will do it
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at the end and blow the spoiler horn but
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really I want this to be something that
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you can go on Amazon or comiXology and
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get and read and then listen to the
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podcast so it's readily available issues
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1 through 11 the first two trades of
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Hawkeye now joining me to talk about
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Hawkeye are some of the names that I
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have just mentioned Merlin man is back
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again hi Merlin 18 it's good to have you
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because boomerangs
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yeah because boomerangs bro bro here sit
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for brown / oh well well
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Robo previously bro bro ok Dan more'n
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this looks bad
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stop all this stop all this fuckin
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around until esa all right good morning
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is here Tony sindelar also back with us
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for another comic book club hi Tony
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hi Jason pieces my business hey super
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could be the dog that's fine and not in
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the not in the last episode but she's
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she's back with us again tonight
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it's lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa hello bro
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bro bro bro bro for Louie riously uh I
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don't even know where to begin here
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other than to say again who thought that
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Hawkeye would be a guy who would have a
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comic that everybody would love but the
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whole point it from the very first page
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of the very first issue of Hawkeye is it
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well I guess the second page is this is
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what he does when he's not being an
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Avenger and that is the thing that gives
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it i think so much independence
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lightness ability to have a very
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different tone than superhero comics
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because it's about this guy
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it's about clint barton he's got up you
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know he's got a bow and arrow and he can
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shoot and he knows the adventures but
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this is not what this comic is about
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this comic is about him and his life and
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his building that he lives in and his
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neighbors and his friends and his dog
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and his dog
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there's an entire issue done from the
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perspective of his dog i think that's
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the greatest thing I've her so when I
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was talking to people about this i was
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talking to people about this and they
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said well you know issue one is so
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fantastic and I said yes and and then I
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had somebody say well actually you know
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issue 3 is fantastic cherry and I said
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yes okay have you read issue 11 and they
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said no i haven't read it related issue
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11 is even better than issue 1 an issue
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3 these are there are so many amazing
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stories that have been told him in a
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comic that you know in the first 11
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issues of this comic issue 11 is told
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entirely from the perspective of Lucky
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also arrow also pizza dog uh it's just
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you know i-i-i don't even know I could
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be i'm going to be effusive about this
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comic i think there are some i think
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some issues are better than others and I
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think it's got some story issues that
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it's headed to deal with and I heard
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from somebody who thought the most
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recent issues weren't as strong as the
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first few issues
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I number eleven uh but let's just get
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started at the beginning i guess i
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should ask you guys I i heard about it
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and what has you know what you really
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what drew this drew you to this what
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what do you like about it let's start
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with lisa i heard about it from jason
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reitman yeah you were there you and i
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were there when I get it we laughed and
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laughed at the idea of a Hawkeye comic
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but I trust his taste because yeah one
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of the nice things going to say about
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jason reitman as he has there are my
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well to backtrack i know some people who
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follow comics because they like specific
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artists and i know some people who
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follow comics because they like specific
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writers and i will have a writer bias
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but Jason is one of the most holistic
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comic fans that I know and not only can
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he look at something and see the
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interplay between writer and artist he's
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also able to place it within the context
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of the industry and within the context
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of the history of comics and someone
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jason says you have to see this because
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this is fantastic
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it would be like somebody walking out of
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Star Wars viewing in 1978 and saying oh
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this is gonna be big so yeah so when
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Jason's go read this I probably went
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onto amazon and bought it and I was
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hooked actually an issue 2 and it's the
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I'll tell you what hook me and it's in
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the trade are the second and third page
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where you start off in the upper
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left-hand corner with the Daily Bugle
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panel with the headline everything oh
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god somebody do something it's my
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favorite comic-book camel every effort
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but what really got me is when you are
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again on the next page when you see
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Clint go to shoot an arrow and as kate
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says well that's cool you watch him
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break down the process of shooting the
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arrow and having it land and you watch
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her mouth make all of the different
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sounds as you go through the process and
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you see a time dilation and it's just
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such a smart visual storytelling
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mechanism and it says so much about the
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two of them in in just a page and a half
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and I thought oh my god this this is not
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one you can read once you're going to
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have to keep reading it over and over
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again to pick up all of the things
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because it's just so well thought out
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just from the composition of the panels
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on out that time slows down as you watch
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him get ready to shoot his
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arrow and there and you see her 14
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panels have her slowly saying a couple
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of madly truly amazing also as someone
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who can't draw i was impressed how much
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like you can see the lip movements and
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everything all the sounds like I was
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like that that person gets more command
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know and I gotta love the restricted
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palette that they use for the whole
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comic oh yeah the color choices are
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fantastic it's just there's no detail on
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this that something clearly i get the
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fun they beat every issue to the ground
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and I'm sure drives them crazy and God
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bless them for doing it because the
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final product is just superb
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so I want to come back to the coloring
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matt hollingsworth colorist is credited
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on the coverage he is an integral part
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of this comic and does a spectacular job
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but but before we get there let me move
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on and ask Merlin so how did you hear
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about this and and what drew you to it
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um i don't remember exactly but it was
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in the midst of my recent plunge into
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comics kind of taking off like a very
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first was getting way into comics you
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know for the first time really since I
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was a kid and I was taking advice from
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everybody all around me and kept hearing
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this din of like how can i think i was
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always ahead post about this one comfort
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grip but I had this long call with rob
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corddry who I had no idea is a giant
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comic nerd and he gave me this huge list
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of like people I should check out
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writers I should check out and one of
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them was matt fraction and i think it
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was around that time was probably around
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i want to say like issue 3 and so I
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jumped in and you know I first of all
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all of the covers all of David oz davido
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house covers I i think are just terrific
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and they're not the same look as the you
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know is as art inside but they're
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immediately grabbed you and like you say
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that the coloring is great but it's
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really weird like I i liked it but but I
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felt really challenged by it because
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I've come out this through reading a lot
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of x-men stuff like that and let me
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explain this 14 times and in this case I
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feel like I feel like such a dope it's
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like Godfather to I feel like I could
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read that first issue I mean like so
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many of them like gosh i'm sure we'll
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get into some some of the amazing
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storytelling
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out of sequence and stuff like that but
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you it takes several readings to really
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appreciate how good that first issue is
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where they do the equivalent jump jump
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cuts of you know you see you see Clint
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and then you see something's gonna
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happen it's the same face with the
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different background and you know that
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you know it's being told out of sequence
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but I mean you know I guess I'm I maybe
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will eventually become famous for crying
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whenever you mix but when I got to that
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last page that was it i mean i was i was
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hooked and it's i don't know i don't
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want to be too effusive but i think it's
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a very good comic and and yes especially
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around 6i I love every issue but around
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issue 6 it kind of goes to a different
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level as far as I'm concerned but that
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first issue is so he mean I mean most of
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what I know about hoc bai Hawkeyes what
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everybody else is like one of those
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annoying unpowered guys with us he says
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a Paleolithic you know weapon but now
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that was it for me and I've I now it's
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filter Jeremy reads pretty much
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everything and he you know tells me two
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to go read and i usually i'm waiting for
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the trades of those to come out and so i
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he's got a good batting average uh-huh
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and then you know I think I then go and
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make Dan read that the really good stuff
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right arm so in it you know I think it's
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a great comic I I really got into it
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first from the the first issue I i love
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how dense it is in rereading it and kind
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because there's there's so many little
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so rise in there
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yeah and you know i usually comics like
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will take a long time to tell the story
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they have something that plays out issue
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thing where there's kind of a
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cliffhanger to get you to buy the next
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in hock I completely not conceptualized
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in my head as 11 comic books right it's
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it's because there's so many stories in
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yeah and and it starts with standalone
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stories which is also a razor and these
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days and especially in in mainstream
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comics like Marvel Comics Dan did and
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you Tony told you to write down
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well I mean tony was one source i
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usually have like multiple sources so I
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i would say mainly learned about it from
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this whole place called the internet
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know which you may have been
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netop knows one of those things where
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it's a critical mass thing just imagine
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what should I read it yet what comic
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book should I read on the internet is
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like Hawkeye but I you know and i think
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it's one of those things where it's a
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critical mass and it builds and like
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someone tells you we talked and then
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you're like reading something else
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somewhere that for me that's always the
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real test is if I hear about it from one
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source and I read about from like
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someone who is in no way connected to
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the first source and also says like hey
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this is really good and like yeah I
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trust both of those people's opinions on
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things so this is clearly the
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intersection of what is really good and
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tony is my life I think of him more as
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my Jeremy filter because I jeremy has a
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lot of comic books it's like drugs in
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reverse and only getting the computer
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stuff you know it hasn't been stepped on
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it but yeah you're gonna take ya if we
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about the you know he tells me to watch
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supernatural over and over again so yeah
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it's true one day he'll listen
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never yeah so I and and and like Tony I
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you know I really enjoyed so much the
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the first issue you know I i was
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probably hooked from ok this looks bad
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really needed
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it's been a long time since i've read a
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she never looked kind of got into it
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never learned it it i cannot remember
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the last time i had a comic that I
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enjoyed so much that i said i'm going to
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read some of this to you out loud
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because it's really funny again i can't
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find a park I and it's happened more
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than once where I'm like oh my god you
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should you should listen to this this is
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hilarious and she's very kind and nods
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and last appreciatively and makes you
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know it'sit's that's nice dear but I had
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a similar i had a similar experience
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to fix his TVs yes it would eat together
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spider-man is making fun of wolverine
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for being old
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that's very like two panels and yet the
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spoilers this blows no no cops no no
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what could the that's right dog.com
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laptops for greatest show ever
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don't spoil me on the end of dog cops I
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really wish they do a spin-off comic
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we're just one issue and it's it's a dog
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cops number one annual so we can
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understand the greatness
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did we ever really understand the
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greatness that is a dog tops not seeing
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without seeing this I never seen because
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click it's a DVR and he's 20 * trying to
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wire it like it's like defusing a bomb
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acceptance letter bomb they're hooking
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up that you know vcr to TV to DVD player
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to DVR and getting it all connected
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if only if only dr. drew were there
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because he knew how to do for maybe we
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knew from the mom from me
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yeah i just love that hot guys are guys
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like the only person in the Marvel
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Universe you can refer to Natasha
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it's pretty great
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yeah yeah so in in something that i
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mentioned about a standalone quality
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this issue one which I i started reading
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issue 10 my god this is so great that
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could be here to bask in the glory of
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the of us thank you for recommending
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this it's self-contained it is told out
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me away when we talk about the coloring
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is that an issue 1 the univ coloring is
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distinct but the two different
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timeframes actually have different
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coloring and you can tell that you're in
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a different place and you know colorists
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and comics but in hock I feel like the
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color the color is a huge part of what
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guys color and which you wouldn't think
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it works that would mean that many
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scenarios that he's got that tennis
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thing he always wears it's like he's got
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the silliest costumes every he's got a
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silly mask that sometimes can be used to
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cover is Johnson yeah but but he's got
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such a silly outfit in and he's he's
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just not
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I you know I bet he's not one of those
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guys were most people would say that's
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my favorite Marvel superhero no no and
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that's what makes this kind of kind of
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brilliant how awesome is it though that
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like he's a marksman with anything
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yes yeah I can throw a shoe at you about
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a lamp lantern corner lamp exactly so in
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number one we meet the tracksuit mafia
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who are are running of villains they're
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the ones call everybody bro
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well they have a vaguely Eastern
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European accent they were tracksuits
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they own Hawkeyes building and are
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trying to get everybody out
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so of course Hawkeye in it an issue 1
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basically he they tried they tried to
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kill him to kick the kick there's one of
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their like their dog who saves Clint
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from being shot and they kicked the dog
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into the street and Clint saves the dog
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and takes him to the vet fix this dog
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yeah but it's also it's also one of the
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reasons i find it so touching and so
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well done is it my daughter loves this
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parody like when you see I think it's on
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the first or second page in the first
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note i guess for like page six it looks
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like you see Clint so basically it
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starts to get that wonderful panel in
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the catchphrase this looks bad he's
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falling out of a window he doesn't have
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superpowers right and he's in the
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hospital for six weeks
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yeah and we only mention it because the
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doctors reading like everything that's
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wrong with him the whole long list of
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all his broken parts you know I mean
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it's so shattered her pelvis three
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broken ribs sprain your neck and you
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know i love that it's his injuries are
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so well echoed by air Alex by the way up
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by the pizza talk it's so touching you
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know there is we start sounding like he
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he starts out a rack he's already broken
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at the being able to get hit by a car in
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a way that I was adjacent you're coming
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with the the color palette that reminded
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me of the fact that in some ways Hawkeye
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feels very much like it like that noir
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and I feel like it accomplishes that to
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a certain extent from the use of a
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limited color palette which is obviously
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you know a big deal and your movies too
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with that very moved quite monotone but
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like it has a very monochromatic sort of
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bed to it yet and i think that's that's
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really interesting it does work really
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really well he and willing and barton
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Clint Barton is not i mean he he is sort
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of the that nor protagonist right where
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he is right he gets beaten you get the
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crappy yeah he's messed up you get the
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crap beaten out of them
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he kinda you know he kinda means well
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but he doesn't really make intelligent
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decisions sometimes gets himself into a
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lot of trouble he doesn't have a
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genius-level IQ know in this and the
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attraction mafia I mean these are guys
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you don't mess with because there are
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lots of them
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and yet three as pocketbook and he
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doesn't yeah he just doesn't care
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challenge there is that he brings all
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the people in this building where he's
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basically trying to save them because
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they're all being evicted because these
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guys want to do something selfless
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building or whatever they want to do it
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doesn't necessarily make matters better
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for the people in the building also
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amazing is that it in the very beginning
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the rooftop where they're where they're
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grilling and we see all these characters
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issues progress where you know all these
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characters that you you meet later and
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issue you just have including including
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Mitzi Mitzi is right there on the old
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lady's lap yeah the reason I'm yeah
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oh the old lady we got it we got to talk
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about her when we get to pieces my
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it's called spy it's by Simeon golden it
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ok so let's talk about hot guys some
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more Marlon will cleanse I mean you see
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is what you know one of the I listened
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to an interview today with the two of
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them fraction haha and so many great
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quotes from that and one of things that
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says was you know he's never had anybody
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point out how often one of his
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characters gets beat up again i wrote
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the x-men you know he's always got the
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he's covered with bandages he's always
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beat up but it's in it's a nice echo of
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his relationships with people like he's
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always putting himself like in the
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self-destructive situations and he's
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part of the theme that continues to
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emerge is how much she's like has
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horrible relationships that is
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constantly screwing up
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oh yeah you know and it's just kind of
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this weird like doofus just kind of
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wandering through life and yet people
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really like him has evidence by issues
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you know number 9 through 11 mm so I
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issue 2 continues the standalone story
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line where we once it's terrible god
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somebody to someone's home somebody do
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something what we always start and we
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start out with ok this looks bad again
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in this case it diving into a into a
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swimming pool and there's gunfire and
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then we rewind and and we meet and and
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this confused me a little bit not
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knowing any sort of backstory here we
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meet Kate bishop who is the other hot
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guy she's like she's like replacement
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Hawkeye except he isn't it is Hawkeye I
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know he was not Hawkeye and dressed up
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like a ninja for a while and was dead
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for a while and all that but be that as
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it may in the comics or like whatever
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you know it was an injury-free doesn't
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ring a while don't worry about it but
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they're two hot guys so there's like him
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and and she's not quite his apprentice
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i'm at one point she says I you know I I
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don't hang around with him he hangs
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around with me which is a really great
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line but we yeah well but we meet never
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when she's extensor and with the fist
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like he's much of his face t he called
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her his board and then so I don't think
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I know that we're going now she calls a
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boss but I mean that they have this
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interesting relationship where they're
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both Hawkeyes and they're both they both
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can can channel all right it's like Lady
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hot guy
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no she's not that young hot guy late kid
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Hawkeye ok Hawkeye after you Hawkeye so
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that's why the the inclusion of the
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young avengers issue at the end of the
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first train is just so awful it's it's
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it's yeah it's like eating a snickers
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after a really good meal where you like
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okay if I had nothing else to eat all
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day the snickers would be fine because
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it would keep me alive and it doesn't
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taste terrible but I've just had a
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really great meal so why are you giving
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me a fun size snickers but it but it's
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actually written by Matt Fraction right
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it's written by matt fraction but then
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they ran it through like the idiot
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filter or something well it's weird
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because you see it you see parts of his
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writing poke through
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yeah and then and then it's it's it is
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extra driving because I agree the
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artists
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oh it's so typically comic booky to me
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like it's the kind of stuff i grew up
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reading in the nineties so we're talking
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about the art and this is one of the
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interesting things about this is unlike
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something like saga where Fiona staples
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has done all the art Hawkeye has haha as
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as the primary artist but we've got
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several other issues with other
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other artists there's some who does the
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two-part tape that's a javier pollito
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right and then there's the there's the
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the hurricane issue that's got a
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different artists and their strength via
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in number 10 and number 12 to which
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we're not talking about but so it's so
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complete also to the annual which we're
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not talking about but yeah I have
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service so we've got these different we
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got the different artists and what's
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interesting about it is it's still hot i
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and III found that kind of fascinating
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it's like there is a there was a model
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for what this comic is and so even when
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it's a different artist that they're
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trying to make it be of a kind so the
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coloring August the colors just the same
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the the panel layouts
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yeah the these grids of lots of little
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panels that happen in Hokkaido those
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continue and I i like that sometimes
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when artists change its really jarring
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like not you know like I I'm not even
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the same comic anymore and this I could
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tell obviously the faces are different i
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can tell the art was by a different
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person but it still felt like Hawkeye
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that that they wanted it to have that
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same pacing and the same coloring and
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you know and obviously the writing and
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the tone of that is exactly the same the
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hurricane sandy superstorm sandy one is
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a perfect and there's a wonderful
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composition where I'm Kate swimming
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underwater through the parking garage
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and yeah and then and then in New Jersey
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yeah and the way the shot is composed
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when she climbs out of the up the stairs
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and out of the water is just phenomenal
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and it's perfectly minimalist and you
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can tell the different artists but it's
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it captures the ethos of the entire
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series which is that you would be doing
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something super heroic but chances are
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high that you're uncomfortable and angry
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while you're doing it and it's in really
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stupid circumstances and you know fifty
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percent of the time it's not gonna work
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it's just yeah you know that one was
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jarring for me because I was so used to
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well first of all I think you have to
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give credit for the fact that clearly i
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mean again in this podcast heard him
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talking about this i mean there's floor
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plans for everything everything is you
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know the tone
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is very much the same the building
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always looks I mean you can still has
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all the same layout the building always
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looks the same
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they're not it doesn't like the bat cave
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where could look really different with
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two different artists but i like the way
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in that issue they also you know this is
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a little bit reductive but you got New
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York and you've got new jersey and
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that's kind of the ten artists in some
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ways it's it's a really nice break i am
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I i actually some of the panels work
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it's all dressed up you know and she's
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pointing to have him get out of the
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that's such a classic panel is she
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making that angry kind of Charlie Brown
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face and force them to get out
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yes yeah that one stuck with me too it's
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for you can kind of picture that almost
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kinetically like in action right so good
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it's weird i didn't i'm i'm a total
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idiot didn't even realize that they were
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like I i registered the different art
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styles but I was just so wrapped up in
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the story that it didn't even like the
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practicality of like Oh clearly a
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different person dropping this did not
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happen permeate my brain yet to artists
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and there's the care in how the artist
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deployed that in the super firm stance
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sandy issue which is very much written
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topically and inserted in the run
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because it happened and they wanted to
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write a story about it and then sort of
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the continuing story then continues the
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next issue and and you get this done yet
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another self-contained story in a single
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issue which is great but it's the two
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artists for the two different locales
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which is essentially it's it's Kate but
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it's it's really told from the
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perspective of the assassin there's a
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different artist for that in the issue
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where there are the the the the covers
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the the comic book covers various of the
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comics great
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yeah that's right they have they have a
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different artist draw those covers any
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whoo-hoo-hoo and now what they're going
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to be doing in in what will be the third
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trade eventually is there's a story line
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that's going to alternate between Clint
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and kate and Rajas going to do Clint
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story and he was going to do I believe
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Kate story so they're they're trying to
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have it be that the artists are
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essentially standards for the for the
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viewpoint character which is cool
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that's a little art so as a way to deal
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with the fact that that wa ha just he'd
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do a full comic issue 1 month just
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he can't do it so so they're they're
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finding some other ways to do that
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within the storytelling bounds which is
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is a is very cool
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Casca one logistical question that you
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so much this is told out of sequence and
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even in the trade in the second trade-in
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little hits you probably noticed the
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there about you know it goes seven i
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literally just didn't notice that don't
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write like seconds ago when I was like
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waking up i think that's what says they
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wanted to pop in and they jumped in the
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continuity to do the sandy thing i think
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what-whatever success story yeah yeah
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because that's what that's what happens
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is that six and eight really kind of
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flow together but they inserted the
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superstorm sandy issue
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I'm really stupid but when so an issue 1
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Clint has that giant duffel bag of money
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to buy the building for yeah that tracks
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the Dracula's is that the money that he
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gets an issue to from robbing the
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robbers it suggested that some point
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that he doesn't like it a lot of money
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from his brother yeah it might be frying
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it might be from his brother he also
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mentions that he has no living expenses
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and there's the throw throw a line where
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he says he doesn't eat and I'm not she's
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at the Avengers or on the roof yeah just
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drinks coffee from the pot yes she does
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yeah so so basically this is a guy in
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peace slightly crappy crappy pizza that
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he buys on the streets of New York and
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feeds the dogs occasionally if he
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doesn't like them such as such a
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well-rounded character yeah you're right
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well it that's all that is the constant
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question Hawkeye is there are there's a
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lot of mix-ups time sequences Merlin i
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know i saw your I saw your note earlier
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today of your of your outline document
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for six nights in the life of Hawkeye
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which it's six nights right before
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christmas in the life of Hawkeye this is
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issue 6 but they are not in any way
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consecutive yeah right one always I end
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up flipping back and forth I was
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rereading it tonight and again trying to
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like okay let me sort of like figure out
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race how this exact they're dated I've
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read it maybe six times and finally
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reception he jumped into on the outliner
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because i was like i'm gonna figure this
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thing out and actually beautifully it
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it's also send it to you it's very it's
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a lot richer this way you realize it
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tells this little story about him
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deciding whether he's gonna you know
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stereo and i have to say that I mean I
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love them all
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I really do love them all but you know
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take the tape thing a lot the tape thing
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really the two-parter on the the take of
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him appearing to kill the guy i thought
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that was really great especially as a
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gate that the case that was fantastic
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but to me six is where it really lit up
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I mean that the opening scene where Tony
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Stark you know can even in his darkest
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by Manu audio-visual equipment yeah
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because cutting the water there
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diffusing their defusing a bomb except
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it's actually just wiring this thing up
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and and Tony Stark's like I'll just buy
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you look forget it i'll just buy new
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stuff and click click just wants his
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laser discs but still watches laser
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discs yes she finds her ASAP later yeah
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well in the out-of-sequence stuff where
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he's trying to keep the you know the
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tracks of mafia from you know killing
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people with everybody in the building
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right and everyone in the building and
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then the weaved in with the subplot
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where Simone and her kids they can't
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watch the Christmas special because he
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accidentally shot an arrow into the
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satellite dish right which window switch
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we kind of learned in reverse and later
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we find out why the arrow ends up there
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is because he's firing at the tracksuit
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mafia but he gets punched as he's firing
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that arrow and it goes in their
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satellite dish instead but that's clever
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and it works better than you know in
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some ways there than in linear order it
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gets to what she said from the beginning
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that Jason which is that these really do
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stand alone on their own if you can you
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know it's like reading Shakespeare you
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can't read too fast or too slow
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like if you go through this at the right
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speed and just look over the parts you
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don't understand right away you'll get
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through each one of these and it's still
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a complete the light but in retrospect I
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mean what you mean
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let's jump to for her but you look at
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that scene of everybody on the roof an
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issue one where grills is out there yeah
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and every i add swear to God I read
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these things over and over I didn't
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catch this for so many you're so much
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like it's not parody was sort of looking
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for but echoes so you see all this
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characters shown in foreshadowing sure
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and didn't jump to 11 and when pizza dog
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is detecting who everybody is and it's
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all people that were on the roof in
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issue 1
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yes absolutely you know we get a little
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taste of them like talking talking to
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the girl who's the bike messenger you
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know with it with the pink hair and my
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absolute favorite is again in that in
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yeah i think it's six where Clint
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finally decides it's past midnight the
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next day and he goes outside with a bow
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and arrow and stands in front of the
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building right now he's going to affect
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the building from the bad guys it's such
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a beautiful image that I would love to
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have a pose
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and then flip to 11 and it's the same
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thing but it's pizza dog standing in
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exactly the same place in front of
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exactly the same building but with no
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color because it's colored one and he's
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smelling everything and hearing
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everything instead is that takes that
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that's a lot of work and it's not
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they're not they're not like stepping on
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the accelerator going to look how clever
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we are but they have all these little
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threads to get picked up its careful
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here we go take a drink like the wire
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where you go I never realized that would
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become you know I'm so glad you
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mentioned that because one of the things
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I i was thinking as I went back and
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reread this is I thought that
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stylistically this reminds me a lot of
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mad men with the lushness and attention
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to detail and the way it embraces
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mid-century modern aesthetic especially
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with the lines in whichever one is drawn
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and then I thought but the plotting and
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the rich background or more like the
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wire so it's kind of mad men times the
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wire / Marvel equals this comic don't
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forget those the new our stuff here so
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you have to run like the big sleep in it
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ok yeah ok yeah that was throwing a
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little bit i just napping with your bad
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is your what is is that the wire you're
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absolutely right though because it's
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just it's very textured and I get the
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feeling that fraction probably has like
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an entire wall of his office just
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devoted to putting up posters and
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throwing strings between things
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newspaper scraps and yarn either
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tracking a serial killer or mapping out
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hot guy it's unclear with well you know
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if he could do like three-dimensional
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holographic could do like
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three-dimensional holographic modeling I
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get the feeling he'd probably do that
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too but it's aight i will eat my hat if
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I find out that he hasn't already
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thought this thing through all the way
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to issue 24 and beyond yes it's just
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there's it it's insanely layered what
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about hot guys redheaded lady friend we
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meet her
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we meet her an issue 3 and then she
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returns to make more trouble
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she is the wife of one of the bros of
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the track tracks in mafia is ok can get
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new wife
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yeah so interest interesting we get the
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femme fatale all dan for your your your
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nor she's gotta dodge challenger who is
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car he says hey I always wanted a car
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like that and then of course they end up
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ramming it in in Kate's little uh little
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folks will be other buttery volkswagen
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well I love it with little details thing
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that i love is that in in the that
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before that her beetle is like a class
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take vintage beetle and after that it's
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one of the brand new ones like is subtle
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but they like like one of the later
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issues when they show it's the and I
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mean like the last year's model would
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like the sort of roadster looking thing
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which I just thought was I didn't catch
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that the first time around I just like
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that and they have I mean there's no
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modern cars there right he's got the
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dodge the Challenger Kate has the
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old-timey beetle and then the ridiculous
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tracksuit mafia in there minis Jason yes
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you're unfamiliar number took his yeah
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because you're doing the things look at
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the winter dress to there's a lot of
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vintage and going on because when you
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see the music of Natasha Bobby and
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Jessica Hahn
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oh yeah i mean that's that's completely
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that's that's clearly meant to evoke
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austin powers / james bond / ya go
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dancing / laugh-in yeah you kind of
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picture Jessica drew as like Megan
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Draper a little bit your mind is
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strawberry strawberry Jessica / a it's
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amazing yeah generally not drawn like
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how i view these characters in the
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Marvel Universe there
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yeah there's something completely
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different here well it's really smart
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but what they do with black widow too
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because they've completely avoided
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making her look like scarlett johansson
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and reshape perform well in units and
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like they're there they're beautiful
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they look really beautiful but they're
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not freakish I mean I'm a huge spider
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woman fan i really like Spider Woman but
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sometimes I'm not to go into a whole
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thing but I guess she must be kind of a
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buxom lady but the way they draw her is
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sometimes but you know Emma Frost you
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can expect that but but with you know
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with Jessica it gets a little
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over-the-top and the reason i mention
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Spider Woman is you know Matt's wife
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Kelly Kelly sue deconnick does the
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wonderful Captain Marvel and it's so
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funny to my favorite relationships in
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the Marvel Universe are well I mean you
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know Carol and and using spider-woman
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have such a great relationship and I
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love the relationship that with the
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non-relationship the failed relationship
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that she has with Clint I think it's
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kind of great i love the way this
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universe go together without needing a
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big you know Santos crossover or
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something like that I like that the
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inmate in the am in the in the North
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thing to not only do we do some Clint
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beats a meets the lady with the car and
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it turns out that she's she's got some
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trouble
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my bad penny and they end up and they
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end up in bed together and all that but
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then she comes back and it turns out
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Stephen she needs his help again and
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it's even she's even more trouble and
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she gets him and he you know he's
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committing crimes and it's and and he
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anchors all of the the underworld boxes
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because of a girl and you know other
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than ok it looks it looks bad
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where the girl is the girl's funeral and
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girls is funeral
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like that but that's that's is
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suspenseful tell Mitzi oh yeah it's au
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capricious bitch
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of a crime and he attacks them because
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he knows the smell of the of the clown
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of the killer
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yes and they fire at the dog and and the
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dog pushes them off the edge of the
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building and then there's black and what
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one of the bros and the dog are all in
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her apartment and she's serving them tea
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is a gun
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yeah and we realize that this lady is
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with the tracksuit mafia i think the
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first shot you see of i don't know his
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name is actually called Ivan but Clint
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calls him ivan the first traction mafia
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guy back an issue 1
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is wearing that yeah or you know is
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equivalent of that necklace totally do
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not get so but they don't kill the dog
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the dog is you know the dog is but lucky
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you know escapes and he runs away when
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he hears a wetland yeah what we got me
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that time was actually to speak to that
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the the thing that you the necklace i
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sort of pause that but everything I
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realized this time looking closely at
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the panels like clowns still wearing the
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clown makeup and it's not like with some
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of the nation's collective screwed with
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pancreatic uncertainty that seems that
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seemed off an Eastern European accent
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and I just I so much your dreams now
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when you switch back to the first trade
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and you realize she's sitting right in
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the middle of the rooftop with on ATM
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disparaging comments and clean yeah must
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be money money just money must be nice
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to say i read this the first time I'm
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like I'm not entirely sure what's going
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on and I wrote the second time was like
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oh oh yeah oh oh lady you
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you betrayer of what I mean she's not
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she's loyal to the people that
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presumably that they put her up in the
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apartment in their building perfectly
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normal that they would do that anybody
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hears that lucky here is that the the
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somebody's coming to the door and
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opening the door and it's another track
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suit guy and he he bolts out
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well the early on doesn't even say
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something about it you know he's raising
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the rent is tripling the right to get
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them out of the building and clips like
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i'll give you the money its annual some
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money on something out about them so I'm
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thinking she's she's the immediate
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memory stating the obvious but I think
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she's some kind of ring later and
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there's something else it's gonna happen
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with that building we just haven't seen
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my guess is that by the way they go over
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the roof we don't see what's happened my
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guess is that they slam into a fire
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escape or something because otherwise
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he's okay they would die you're hit well
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you know and the one tracks your guy has
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like his leg is all bandaged up right
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yeah it and the dog he's still there's
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okay so obviously they didn't fall to
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their death because they're not that
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yeah but who knows maybe they're playing
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some other crazy trick on us there
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anymore you know one of the tracks you
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guys is dead under one of them fall off
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the roof yet is she pretty
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yeah we see only see the guide the ball
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don't lie right that's not the guy who
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is actually his owner right like that
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somehow lucky maybe or lucky was lucky
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and landed on that the guy or something
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I don't know when we see his shoe right
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like a shoe
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right in the next shot but they don't
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but they don't kill the dog and the dog
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escapes so I think there's it's very
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mysterious and I wonder if there's more
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to be clarified there but that this
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doesn't this leaves out the lab most
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important thing which closes the second
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trade which is a kate and and Clint have
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a conversation that we don't understand
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because we're just in the perspective of
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a dog and she says goodbye and and
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that's shocking and she's leaving with
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her stuff and then she calls lucky and
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he comes and they both leave and they
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get my car in the drive to California
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huh with a couple stops along alone why
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stops along the way
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yeah why for pete's sake why lucky sake
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yeah I don't know I don't know the dogs
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don't understand why these people do
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what they do we'll be back
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they killed captain america he came back
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and we gotta go get on a plane
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yes i would i would read that issue
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well if you want to know what happens
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next to Kate you have to read a Hawkeye
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annual number one which is Kate's first
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adventures upon reaching Los Angeles now
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I have to get a comic book store and do
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that yeah you know what
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thanks Jason yea madam ass comes back
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though who we saw in issues four and
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yeah I didn't realize in the first the
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first time
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what's the issue where afterwards like
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the the kingpins like all right we gotta
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kill kill
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Hawkeye cuz he's causing us trouble and
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losing is money and all the they've got
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like sort of their assortment of you
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know crime lords or what have you but a
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lot of them are at the hotel in issue to
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write when the one that's crazy circus
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folks are robbing everyone Robin had a
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mascara is in the background there i
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think which I didn't realize until
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rereading it who were shadowing you know
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what this this comic definitely has its
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cast of characters right and they keep
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bringing the mask is also funny because
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one of the things that place on it is
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she's a her bizarre kind of backstory
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and lack of understanding of humanity
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and this comes back in the annual but
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where she does that thing where she's
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your kid kids smoke do you have any
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cigarettes and kids like what are you
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talking about and I i assume that it's
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also a commentary on Joe casadas
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no-smoking policy and marvel comics
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which I don't mind but it's kind of I
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think it's kind of I think it's kind of
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funny and i think it's i suspect that is
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part of the commentary there but also we
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just something about Madame masque is
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this bizarre creature who is like not
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connected to because she's like this
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crazy crime lady who walks around in the
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gold mask all the time and so I kind of
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enjoy that she's portrayed as being like
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completely disconnected from interacting
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with other humans and I loved her
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I like that she is a backup mask 4k to
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steal that lets you you never travel
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with just one mass come home you gotta
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have the back of mass and then she's and
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yeah it matches her natural hair yeah
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also in that in that uh she tells kate
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that she's gonna step out cigarettes
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interface and kept and killer and kate
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has a look that is that it's uh it's
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essentially like so edition how is
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something it's that it's she looks just
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like her and she's like oh but I'm
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America's Sweetheart you can't kill me
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and get hot guy hit me and then of
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course they show up on that like oh
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aight aight smart with me when you have
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the shit yeah the shield like shield
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guys show up just to like hey you know
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we don't forget we've got like a
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helicopter lovely abducted him from the
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roof everything I said nobody seems to
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care because he's all Hawkeye who is
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this hot i think it's so awkward because
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they just like we're just gonna strap
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this thing to do and just you know like
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you know I like 10 point does the first
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the first few issues when he tries to
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like you sort of tries to deny these
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Hawkeye and then kinda just gives up on
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it to all the people in the building
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except you know that conversation with
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girls about being hot guy and we're
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gonna do
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wait did you say just don't make a big
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thing of it he wants to have his
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apartment is not gonna live in the
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mansion go at once to have his apartment
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to live his life I i like how Marvel
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heroes are integrated in this case it is
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a marvel comic and I've said before on
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this podcast that it is kind of amazing
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that a comic it with this this is the
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way the the story is told the art all of
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these things that it you know it proves
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that you can make an amazing piece of of
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in a superhero comic from marvel comics
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with a mainstream Marvel character it
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can be done and the way the Marvel
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characters get I mean that we've got
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some villains but marvel heroes are very
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seldom seen and when they are it's
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interesting how to get dropped in that
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the Christmas issue where Wolverine
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spider-man appear very briefly along
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with lackeys of Fame who are claiming to
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be the one the the 99th respect
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no you're not i don't know oh and Tony
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Stark trying to get him to wire up is a
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his DVD player and then Maria hill and
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shield and nicks curious appear in the
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Madame masque issue but it's very
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limited and and there are often deployed
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either as a kind of wacky plot
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contrivance or just for q Murr value
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which I like i enjoy that their that
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they're still there they're just not
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important i love that scene with a where
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Captain America and and clinton and
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agent Hellerman are sitting like in kind
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of the interrogation room but kind of
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like a card table and it's like man even
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superheroes have to go to meetings and
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i'm not even if they're not even
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superhero cool meetings are just really
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crappy office meetings know it's like
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and the Lighting's not even great in
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yy-you still wearing the mask bag
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couldn't figure out like he's in a room
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with like two people presumably know why
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do you still have those deep cups and
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his boots are dinner military
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organization is your experience at Holy
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uniform time at the end of the tape
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two-parter again with that common or
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hapless heroes kind of thing is Kate
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almost dies and once all bandaged up a
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Damascus very angry and and in the end
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it turns out and we haven't known this
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all along that this tape that supposedly
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shows Clint killing somebody
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it's a fake and this was all a leak to
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find the gunman my child and there's a
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tape of Captain America killing people
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to know she's like the meeting with no
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sense i realize meeting is no sense in
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retrospect because it's like we're
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having this conversation for the
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audience I think I honestly think
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they're having the conversation to try
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it's really there for k2 public what
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what what I put myself through all this
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nothing but trouble and this is what
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for Hawkeye on his purple couch with the
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dog 1 this is what Hawkeye does when he
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listening to that his original
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you know what we're where he just does
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his thing and so you know as you've
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noted Jason there's a big barrier to get
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about hockey and anybody's read comics
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was gonna roll their eyes but I you know
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it really is about all those little
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details and the other thing is when you
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talk about levels is gonna sound such a
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cliche but you can really read this
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however you want if you want to nerd out
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with me and do things on the outliner to
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understand what's happening here you can
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art yes I just looking for coming in and
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in the back of the trade and the second
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one yeah yeah you should talk about
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color you have a color history all its
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coloring that beautiful
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guy i like reading words I'm not big on
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these books and that's that's rare for
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me and I yet but it's such a you know
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that it's you know a cliche but I mean
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like the writing and the art work so
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well together like the idea of telling
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somebody this joke you know I'm great at
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boats but the expression on clinton days
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when he says I married boats is
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hilarious casino is no great but
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entirely delightful i am i'm just glad
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that he does all the shopping at target
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my second throw the tracks if mafia
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exactly i realized looks like this take
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time and and it's it's but I asked her
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yesterday I was talking to my I was
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telling my comics store guy Winstone
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talking about is like you know we're
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both just going on about it and you know
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thinking about a lot
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he says you know this has gotten so much
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acclaim and it really deserves a claim
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a marvel comic it might get ten times
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more claim because it really doesn't
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read like a marvel comic it really is i
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would like something you'd see on image
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get a lot of ways i'm actually you know
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what kind of reminds me of what I'm
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going away old school here is anyone
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else familiar with the green arrow run
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mike grell did the long bow hunters I
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watching arrow because i heard there
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not be more dissimilar in artistic style
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work and there's a lot about this that
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screams 1980s but the whole premise
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Oliver and Dinah or are out or out of
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the art of the business and they want to
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settle down in seattle and have a normal
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life and naturally that doesn't happen
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superheroes try to live a mundane life
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to the moral imperatives that drive them
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between the books because i think the
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long bow hunters was published it
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sometime ladies I think the lady yes
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difference but it's it's got a very
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similar sensibility in the whole well
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this is what they do when they're not
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offering silly costumes and running
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around and dealing with space aliens and
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insane organizations and so on and so
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forth and presumably they're both about
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Archer the book i wanted to mention is
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immortal iron fist we have was by these
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guys and it's got a very different tone
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and and and also actually that's one of
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the jokes when ru is ru iron fist I was
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like that's like when they're when
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they're arresting you may become yelling
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at Milwaukee's like I'm an adventurer
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are you iron fits but another another
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one of those Marvel characters like you
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know how many people go oh yeah iron
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fist like he's my favorite right he is
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such a badass he's so cool and you when
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you think of him you think about half of
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Power Man and Iron Fist perfect that
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right I got the immortal iron fist
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so yes immortal iron fist well there is
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it the did you see the so I flipped
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through the first couple pages of matt
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scene in the very beginning we're like a
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someone comes into like superhero like
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this is like the clinic where the
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superheroes go when they get beat up and
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iron fists like sitting there like
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reading through a magazine and was wait
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aren't you r infinity goes yes and I
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don't know where power handed her
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partner's not a couple well so immortal
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iron fist I recommend it highly really
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great run i read all of it actually on
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the Marvel unlimited app because i have
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a subscription to that the entire run is
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on there and it's great and I i went
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back to it after realizing that the
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people who were making this comic that I
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really like that is very slowly
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releasing new issues admitted that his
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whole run of immortal iron fist and
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again I thought iron fist
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well i'm reading Hawkeye so why not iron
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fist and it's great actually it's great
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again where there are these issues that
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flashback as the idea is there are the
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previous iron fists throughout history
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story arc that they're telling and you
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know there's fascinating stuff with the
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portal that goes from the the floating
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city of Kunlun 7077 kingdoms and all of
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that and then earth and what's going on
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and that the whole plot and it's great
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it really is a great story so i
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recommend that to 44 people and and that
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run is done so you can read all that
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whole story
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next up fraction takes on cipher but at
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least it should be you should be next up
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which may be more the x-men you don't
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like one of the houses Cyclops justice
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you know who likes I quite like Cyclops
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yeah really seriously anything else to
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talk about about Hawkeye it's great
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it's great we like it we reckon colors
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over the colors really love to show you
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the colors on this podcast and
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fortunately that technology is not yet
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enjoy such colors purple and red are you
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muted green read-only cherry and others
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variety of how many comics can you buy
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that feature all the shades of purple in
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one book all the shades it's true
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50 shades of purple be the third trade
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volume 3 if you didn't like purple
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before you will like purple
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yeah after reading Hawkeye because i
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didn't want guarantees are implied by
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this endorsement
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oh you know I didn't mention i don't
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know a lot about the larger comics world
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but does anybody else reminded of Chris
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we're a little bit a little i forgot to
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remember that kinda like a lot
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yeah actually yeah look at this again
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this is from the the wonderful christmas
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episode
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uh-huh the more clicks out front with
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the with the bow and arrow just that
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kind of 50 millimeter looking shot oh
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yeah of the building with all the
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straight lines
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it reminds me of the layout visit this
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is you could you could take i mean i
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think Merlin use of the art you could
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stripped of all the story stripped of
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all the dialogue and it would be
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beautiful
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several issues that you can see they're
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like textbook this is how you write a
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comic a modern comic I i I'll of like
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saga we talked about and saga is big and
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weird and wild and i love it but it also
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feels very much like it's almost
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one-of-a-kind Hawkeye look at my say
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this is this is like textbook this is
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like you do more comics like this this
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is this is like how you make a modern
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comic this is what are the devil is in
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the detail yeah i mean the details of
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like again that interview heard and I
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was talking about how he starts out
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every sketch and it's a thousand lines
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and then used to figure out how to try
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to get that down to like four lines
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yeah it'sit's it is very minimal in that
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sense but also in the sense that it's
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very small scale
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it's very you know macro in some ways
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real quick the idea that you know you
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can look at it as a lot about
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relationships it's it's a lot about his
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relationship with people but it starts
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out with something in episode great
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phrase everyone's calling dummy
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he's calling himself dummy but you dummy
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you dummy and but you know Clint you
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dummy you think all you're gonna do is
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go and deal with these guys that you can
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easily take care of these the kind of
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the Mafia but then suddenly now he
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realizes that's making him more
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it's been clear that there's an Avenger
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who lives there which now all the people
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he's trying to protect it puts them in
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he's gonna be a hero and so he buys the
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buildings can be here and protect them
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and how do we ever imagined that that
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seemingly modest single issue at the
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beginning would lead us to where we are
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thrilled to see where it's gonna go I'm
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glad it's been so successful and got so
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many awards because just cause it'll
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keep it alive
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you know what I mean it's just something
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it's to figure it's a very modest story
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in some ways there's no Galactus or
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anything like that it's that will be
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weird when he eventually shows up in
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like one panel and it's like oh yeah
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he's gonna be like yeah this is like
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collect part itself Galactus issue
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uh no Galactus i'll also before we go
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i'm not going to spoil issue 12 but I
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the just on the razor's edge of
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professionalism because the letter
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column in issue 12 Hawkeye for those who
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single issue in order to get this letter
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column literally has two covers from
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forthcoming issues and a letter column
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that says hey guys I was too busy to do
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the letter column
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normally we do a playlist i was too busy
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to do the playlist
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here's some dvds that i bought recently
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yeah my baseball team is doing well this
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see you next month i'm not kidding it's
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like Stephen whackers personal blog and
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and I read this and I think my why not
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just put the covers then why even say
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anything because it's embarrassing
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landfill space they're essentially awful
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so Matt Fraction putting in the work to
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create one of the most amazing comics
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being published now marvel editorial
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kind of wasting time throwing pencils
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into the ceiling and writing
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embarrassing letter column so Bravo
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Stephen wacker that's one of the babies
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professional things I've seen a
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censored by wacker good job
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we could probably tops out of work right
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yeah well I'm glad to hear that he got
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his criterion night DVD of night train
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to munich for fifteen bucks that was
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good to know thanks
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oh good to know marvel keep up the good
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work all about the macro and owned by
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disney yeah i'm going to CS attention
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disney don't get that don't get the
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board fired come on that terrific movie
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called planes
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yeah that's right i could just run the
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whole column about that right some fake
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letters getting intern there are people
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them to do the letter column is also
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don't write into well I think we've done
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enough damage for one episode of the
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incomparable but I think we are all in
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agreement that people should seek out
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Hawkeye even if you don't like Hawkeye
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or the Avengers or i would say or
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superhero comics because it's really it
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is the arterial comic it's a sitcom it's
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a sitcom with arrows and occasionally a
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drawer drama it's an action to come
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action and there are people who died and
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robinson comedy drama com something
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arrows direction midi it's a direction
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by fraction guys it's good i just don't
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go to recommendation for people
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especially who you know like like
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fantasy and since I fine and
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in books sure but you know one nice
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thing about Hawkeye fractions talked
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about this how he tries to write stuff
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that he feels ok so in his kids and you
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know there's some stuff in here that's a
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little bit you know you know hot having
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sex with the redhead
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well I don't even think that you see
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Hawkeyes a face over his general they
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just take a nap together they they just
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were both very tired there may be taken
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sweet matt fraction's kids are very
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mature and match but you can show this
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you can show this to a young person and
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anybody who is a comic nerd that wants
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to I don't know it's perfect for showing
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kids my daughter and I love reading this
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we have put up a picture we buy some
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how do you have how old is your daughter
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and how do you handle the the love
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affairs with that well I mean we don't
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you go faster
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I mean it's like anything you know if
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you're gonna show me pg-13 movie you got
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you know kinda kind of massage it but no
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but I mean like for example the pizza
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dog up we've bought well I've got one
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song copy that we don't mess with and
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then I've bought three beater copies
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because we read it so much that it just
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falls apart and what you know if I were
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a writer and artist that would be like
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the greatest compliment the world to me
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it's like you know I sit down with my
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she reads me quote unquote the pizza dog
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comic and you know I I anybody who likes
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a little a little a little love a little
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story is the everyone say it's a puzzle
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it's not impossible to figure out but i
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would this is it's one reason i keep
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talking about saga and Hawkeye is to
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this day there are still people who say
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oh you talked about that so much and i
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finally got it i can't believe this i
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have a second life now I think it's a
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good one to introduce people or
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reintroduce people to comics with I
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really do ya I think the reintroduces is
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big for me I think I recommended how
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kind of people who read superhero comics
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in the past and are interested in now
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because it's a nice example of what a
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superhero comic could be but usually is
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Right saga something I recommended you
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know people with eyes i'm not gonna give
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everybody a copy of watch because that's
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a big investment in this case you know I
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think you can dive in and again it's a
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good asset test for like whatever 10 or
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15 bucks you're going to find out in
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that first issue whether or not this is
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for you and if you need a chance to
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check in and find out if this is the
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kind of thing you still might like I
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think you could do a lot worse you like
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stories do you like dogs
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aerosil
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tales about an average an average Joe
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who is impossible posing arrows a yeah
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your fan brezin eras frozen arrows and
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that's the pilot on your fast rate their
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brothers the bell merwin where's the
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bel-air thank you i was good
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alright and and with that because that
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can't be topped
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I'm gonna close up this edition of the
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comic book club so i would like to thank
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my guess who made this a very special
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enjoyable our talking about this great
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comic to trades by the way out now so
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you should get them on amazon get at
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your local bookstore government your
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local comic shop highly recommended and
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then there are now issues that are
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coming out and they'll be a third-grade
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pretty soon but you could get the issues
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if you love the first two trades so a
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time to say goodbye Dan Morgan thanks
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for being here
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always a pleasure Jason thanks for
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having me yeah it's nice that when Tony
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tells you to read comics and you read
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he's my bro yeah bro Tony sindelar
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thanks again for for not only being here
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but also showing damn or in the proper
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way to read comics I trust left to right
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every day every day I tried
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yes good good place miser it's always a
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pleasure to have you on it's always a
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pleasure to be here thank you talking
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talking comics maybe get jason reitman
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back sometime and we reunite the
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original comic book club but he's very
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busy guy these days we need to i just
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read the first two volumes of Harbinger
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and I'm dying to talk about them with
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somebody and valiant together now I get
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it yeah alright I want to talk morning
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glories to which all because I feel like
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they're kind of in that they're kind of
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related because it's always the
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structure of a school filled with people
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who have special powers and it's not one
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and there's a one world conspiracy
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involved so that was just like just like
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my high school will work on it does it's
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pretty much like every high school and
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merlin mann thank you for coming back to
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Ashley bro thanks bro bro brothers
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lowbrow bro and until next time I am
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uncomfortable
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thanks for listening everybody
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