The Incomparable

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00:00:17 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason Steele [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► we're here to talk [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► it's our comic book club hey look at [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► that a comic book club is back and we're [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► going to talk about a series of comics [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► from a person whose name i have a [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► problem i pronouncing but i think david [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► Laura will help me out [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► David it would be Kurt you see eck cured [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► Busey accurate that's is a carrier to [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► Kurt it's just Kurt Kurt pc oh yeah i [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► know i managed to mispronounce the wrong [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► name anyway David Lawrence here hi David [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► hi this is my eyes are also here for [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► comical club of course hi Lisa [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► it's a pleasure to be here Tony sindelar [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► also joins us hi Tony [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► hi everybody hello nerds okay you broke [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► down and you did your catchphrase look [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► at that people people get angry when I [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► came with i'm just still like it hit [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► okay fair enough attention Sutter I [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► welcome at f3 case [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► alright comic book club is back in [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► session we we I think we kind of talked [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► ourselves into this in the last episode [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► we're going to talk about Astro City by [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► kurt busiek and it started in the mid [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► nineties i never read it [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► i I've been catching up over the last [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► couple of days and you cost me a lot of [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► money people because I'm just gonna keep [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► buying them now because it really good [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► either really very good there from image [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► originally and but anyway it's it's it's [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► kurt musics invention you may know him [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► from Marvel's actually is the place [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► where I I i mean i think i'd seen his [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► work before but that's the that is one [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► of the comics that really brought me [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► back i think we talked about this in our [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► marvels and kingdom come [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► episode that those those comics but [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► brought me back to comics really when I [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► saw those in the bookstore and and and [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► Astro City has some things in common [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► with Marvel's i would say this is a this [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► is I was trying to explain this to my [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► son who asked me today what this thing [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► was that i was reading and I said it's [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► kind of a comic about a city full of [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► superheroes and what it's like to live [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► there because that's kind of what it is [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► but I i was wondering if those of you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► who got more of a history with Astro [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► City could maybe put the what this is [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► into a little more context [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► well it's [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► it's a sort of sparked from reading and [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► writing all the traditional things for [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► Marvel and DC and all and the the idea [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► of writing this alternate group of [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► superheroes in this alternate universe [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► really that had a history that wasn't [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► just you know [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► ok here's the first issue with this [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► superhero and that's all you see and [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► then it goes forward the the stories [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► master city it's really more of an [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► anthology and you know issues and books [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► can be set in any period in astor city's [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► history they can be single issue stories [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► they can run multiple issues it's it's [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► kind of amazing and the freedom of it [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► you know when you know that you don't [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► have to do 700 issues with this one hero [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► and his team or his group or his family [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► it's it's liberating it's also nice [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► because he's able to do things with [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► these characters that you wouldn't do [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► with Superman or Batman they can die [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► they can be changed and transformed in [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► ways that wouldn't happen any major [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► comic companies superheroes so that that [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► adds a little bit to Italy so what's [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► your what's your history with after [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► sitting it's not as deep as i thought it [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► was because it wasn't one of my must [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► pulled titles for vertigo and i read a [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► few issues and I liked that I liked how [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► fully developed the universe was that [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► seemed to spring from his head and I've [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► since circle back to it after having [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► marinated much more in Marvel and DC and [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► now and now I even though i went back [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► and read it again [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► I was just kind of blown away by how [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► well thought-out it is it's [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► one of those series where I don't think [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► I'd handed to somebody who's just [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► getting into comics unless that person [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► was like sure i would like to see [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► reconstruction of the hero meet those [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► and comics that sounds like something [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► that slate recommended i should read [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► God's if this was somebody who had been [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► reading comics forever never had never [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► gotten around to it i would why would [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► have us over in a heartbeat and be like [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► here read this because you will be [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► amazed at how many different sources he [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► pulls and how many different conventions [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► this guy effortlessly juggles while [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► managing the crease and it's wholly [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► original so yeah it was definitely not [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► part of my 20-something comic reading [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► experience I'm glad that I came back to [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► it though which like raises an [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► interesting side question which are are [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► are some comic series just better suited [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► to different times of your comic reading [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► career than others but that's a whole [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► other podcast I I think so because I i [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► had fallen away from comics and I i [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► think i discovered this just after our [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► first child was born because i was i was [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► killing time in indianapolis and we went [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► to a comic book store and I'm wheeling [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► them around in the stroller don't know [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► what's this and and kind of the way [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► Marvel's brought you back into comics in [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► Astro City brought me back into reading [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► long series of comics and collecting [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► graphic novels again [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► yeah I as somebody who has read a lot of [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► comics over the years I felt like this [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► was for me like it was speaking to me [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► about the form and it did it did give me [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► some watchman vibes in the sense that it [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► was it was trying to balance more has [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► like to actually since then to when he's [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► done some other stuff like like top-10 [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► hehe caduceus is well aware of all the [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► tropes and is playing them all the [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► difference is that the it's it's much [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► sunnier and fun then watchman is and i [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► think was enough the forward to the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► first trade he says as much that it was [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► intended to be that way but I feel like [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► I i totally agree i get a lot more from [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► at having seen a lot of different [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► superhero comics over the years and so [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► knowing what he's playing with and what [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► he's saying and and being able to [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► appreciate it on on that [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► their level that he's playing it out i [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► would agree with that so I i should also [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► explain so that the the there are three [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► different runs of Astro City [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► the first was 1995 and the the second [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► was what 1996 they say it was a short [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► run miniseries and then there was a [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► longer run 96 and then there's been some [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► standards committee series in 2003 yeah [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► and then it started in 2013 a monthly [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► series has debuted and continues to be [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► published to this day which means that [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► if you're living on the trades there are [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► 13 trades now of Astro City and they're [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► all cooked [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► Oh God again you're costing me money [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► sorry I'm gonna have to pick up so much [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► freelancer so but the ones that we the [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► ones that we wrote it or the one we read [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► were life in the big city and confession [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► that's a good place to start and those [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► are both available in print and [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► digitally I think life in the big city [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► just got a reprint recently so those are [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► all those are all coming back out now [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► start at the beginning the Jason smell [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► method i think so this is where the [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► siracusa method but i might be why not [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► even yeah I don't always go for the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► Syracuse method but with this even [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► though the ecology are you get the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► beginning does not get a name would be [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► that is the recommended but even though [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► it's an anthology and you could [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► theoretically dip in at any point it's [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► just so much richer when you start from [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► the beginning there's so many little [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► things that pay off later [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► sure it's it's more fun when you get [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► them early and go oh will he ever come [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► back to it and yeah he was the answer is [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► almost always yes i would think the [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► other thing that struck me and rereading [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► it the first time I encountered after [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► Astro City was back in the late nineties [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► it it was already being collected by the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► Chip and I started reading it but ship [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► had gotten me back into comics after a [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► long long time of not reading them by [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► way of Sandman so I was already open to [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► different and other arm serialize [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► storytelling in graphic format [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► and for me Astro City as you said [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► there's a strong watchman vibe although [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► even I watched i read watchmen after i [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► read Astro City if i remember correctly [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► but Astro City has the benefit of not [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► being a single story line if i [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► understand correctly watchman was always [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► intended to be that one run one story by [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► Alan Moore here [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► music has the time to really develop [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► these characters much more than the [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► snapshots that we learn bit by bit [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► during watchman we have the character [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► development happens with the story here [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► there's whole issues devoted to [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► essentially character development or [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► developing the world of showing [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► different bits and pieces different [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► viewpoints are so being able to take [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► your time in developing this alternate [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► as we said alternate universe on where [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► the superhero tropes are there but can [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► be upended can be changed can you know [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► go in any direction that he wants on was [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► really attractive see I don't get the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► watchman by um and and I understand [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► whether it's the time I understand why [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► but when I was rereading especially [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► vol.1 it seems like music has infinite [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► amounts of compassion for his characters [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► and I and there's there's i'll look I [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► love watchman don't get me wrong [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► um and I i think that there is a great [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► howling humanism at the heart of Morris [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► work but he is pretty pitiless when it [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► comes to his characters he's really [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► unsentimental as to their motivations [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► and who they are I think for me that the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► watchman thing happened partly because [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► of the undercurrent of questioning the [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► superheroes I mean you have this entire [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► subplot especially in the second volume [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that we all read of you know basically [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► the population just sort of you know [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► turning on the heroes and questioning [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► you know either [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► why are you doing this you're hurting us [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► or why aren't you doing more you're not [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► protecting us enough [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► and there's a lot of that questioning [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and coming apart at the seams sort of in [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► watchmen for me and that's where I saw [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► the parallel I see a lot of connections [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► there to me because there's all the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► questions of like you know if we [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► actually had super-powered people [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► wandering around what with all the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► problems be like that wouldn't just be a [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► panacea right what was funny about vol.2 [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► as i read that and I thought this is [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► just showing you how badly Margo but [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► marvel bungled the Civil War plotline [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► both in condone and the movies like the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► whole time i was reading this I thought [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► this is so much more plausible the way [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► it unfolded and the reactions of the the [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► reactions of the super-powered you know [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► the vigilantes and the superheroes and [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► all that like the way they respond in [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► the way the crowd responds in the way [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► one thing naturally leads to another [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► makes so much more sense than civil war [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► as a comic book or civil war as a movie [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► ever did and it predates it by by quite [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► a few years too so it's not like the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► people who wrote Civil War were unaware [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► of the options they had what i mean i-i [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► had avoided watchman for years and I [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► went up reading watchmen after a sister [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► city as a result I don't like watchman [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► my love aster city i could see that I'm [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► with Tony I do feel like there are there [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► are there are vibes there they're also i [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► mean references to Marvel's I mean maybe [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► young reporter story in the first trade [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► is is so cool very clearly by the same [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► guy who wrote Marvel's I i could I see [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► that residence in there too because he's [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► making similar sort of comments you've [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► got the old heroes that's like oh well [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► there's a past generation heroes you've [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► got the whole thing about are we going [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► to have are our heroes register that had [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► a little of the vibe i would say it's [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► like it in some ways but it's also [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► diametrically opposed to others because [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► it is a very different kind of view of [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► the world than Alan Moore brings to it [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► even though they're trotting on the same [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► source material essentially the [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► anthology part of this also I found [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► fascinating the fact that that we get to [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► see that you know there's the story [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► about the the the young reporter and [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► that leads to which is to flashback that [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that's a really great little short story [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► we learn about the Samaritan who is your [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► Superman [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► figure and he's always rushing from [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► place to place and we we find out that [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► he's got a secret identity that's very [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► clever because it allows them to close [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► the closed and locked the door and then [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► go save the world and then just kind of [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► popped back out like oh yeah I'm going [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► to lunch and then continue to save the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► world and we we kind of that then [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► there's an issue later we're where we uh [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► there's almost like a little [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► intervention between this Superman [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► analog in the Wonder Woman analog where [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► they're both like you people are really [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► busy you should take you should go out [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► on a date because you placing you [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► lighten up a little bit and and rather [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► than just having a story about his back [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► of his origin story we learned his [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► origin story as he's devoting it on a [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► date [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► yeah yeah which is creating such a [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► sucker for anthologies though period [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► like I love the Robert aspirin thieves [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► world for the for the same reason [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► um yeah edited by george RR martin if [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► you at the inn and jason i have both I [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► think talked in the past about the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► wildcards anthologies from so this was [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► like right up my alley and what I liked [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► about the two selections we had was the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► first the first trade is an anthology [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► where you begin to get pieces of this [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► world and how it hangs together and when [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► I love about the first one is it [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► balances civilian perspectives with the [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► perspectives of the people who you know [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► are our heroes are the people who want [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► to invade the plan also they're all [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► parts of the society you know [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► yeah they are and what I love about [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► confession is how it's one long arc that [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► rewards people right pay attention [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► through the first to the first [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► collection and it hangs together as a [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► story beautifully and still keeps adding [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► all sorts of backgrounds and little [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► hooks for stuff that you hope will come [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► up in subsequent volumes to like I [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► really love the crossbred yeah yeah i [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► love you i almost Twilight Zone episode [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► kind of thing which is the one about the [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► guy who discovers the secret identity of [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► one of the superheroes and heaps of a [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► jack-in-the-box and heaps he just sort [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► of accidentally sees him take off his [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► mask and he has no idea what to do and [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► in place through all the scenarios where [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► everybody knows a criminal and it always [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► ends up with him getting killed and he [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► ends up at the end just taking a bus out [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► of town [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► Alaska yeah just a minute it's just [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► added such as I mean I will you wait for [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► Rod Serling to stand on the corner is [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► the bus pulls away and say this poor [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► little man didn't know what to do with [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► this information he can keep it to [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► himself in the twilight zone it was all [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► that kind of feel it's so great to have [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► that versatility [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► I love had also basically shoots the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► origin story of villains in the kneecaps [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► to because in comics a lot there's now [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► that i know your identity i can ruin [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► your life and this guy is like I have [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► this information and it's literally [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► going to get me killed there's no way [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► responsible for me and it's a great [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► there's another great a story that is a [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► single-issue anthology story which is [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► about the the there's the the place [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► that's up against the mountain right in [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► Astrakhan shadow have said a lot of [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► Cheryl right place to live and it's [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► about about a woman who lives there and [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► works in the city and her parents kind [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► of think that she's gonna leave them [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► and.and she--and and we learned this is [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► how we learn about shadow hill on the [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► fact that they have like special awards [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► and precautions because there's strange [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► creatures that lurk there at night [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► Eldridge it powers our our play and [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► everyone's like yeah that's ok that's [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► the thing introduces the mystic side the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► fathead that this this universe happily [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► like just like a lot of other comic [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► universes happily mixes you know science [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► fiction vs metahuman vs in our advanced [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► science versus mysticism and this is the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► this is the story that introduces that [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► hey there's a mystic side to this [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► universe and does it very well [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► yeah and and that story ends with an [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► unexpected ending which is that after [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► all of this and and the woman whose are [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► our viewpoint character it's sort of [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► exerting her independence and and she [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► she does what her parents wanted to do [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► which is keep her life on you know in [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► her neighborhood instead of going back [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► out into the downtown of this city and [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► that was I that kind of blew me away [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► because it wasn't exactly what I did not [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► expect to happen so just great i also [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► like matter because that's where it [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► starts planting seeds of the anti-hero [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► sentiment like that this woman this POV [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► character sees Winged Victory the Wonder [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► Woman analog while she's riding with us [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► going into town and the people on the [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► bus some of them are grumbling about you [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► know how she's like a cult leader and [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► that sort of thing and then others like [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► don't you dare she [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► working for us so it's like that far [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► back these seeds of people disagreeing [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► about the role of the superheroes in in [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► this universe is already there and you [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► also get to meet the Fantastic Four [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► analog in that world to the first family [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► that the first family that could be any [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► family didn't get it at first and then I [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► saw one of the with a higher guy one of [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► the cover art want to cover things where [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► there's the world like a lizard orange [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► lizard guy but he totally yeah is the [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► thing right a legally distinct different [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► maze except for yeah yeah it's it's it's [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► pretty it's pretty great and what I [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► really liked about that story was [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► showing the stratification of the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► bubbles that sort of the surrounding [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► radiate out and that's the thing that [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► they come back to in Astro City [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► confession when the person who becomes [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► the ultra boy [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► first comes to Astro City and you find [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► out how insular and how weary capes and [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► vigilantes tend to be and how even among [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► that class there are people that are [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► like there's a reason why there's the [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► regulars and I just like i love how [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► thoughtful how thoughtfully constructed [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► this world is like there's not a single [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► detail that doesn't make sense or or [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► isn't relevant in some way later I [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► really love that that that that that [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► thoroughness in world-building yeah i [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► mean the two of the things that I love [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► in anything good [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► well let me try that again to the things [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► that are in common with all of the books [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► and movies and things that I just love [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► beyond reason they surprised me and they [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► are very well thought out and very well [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► you know again that that kind of world [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► building and and he does that time and [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► again I i can't remember another book [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► where he gets surprised as often as this [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► yeah you know if I if I could only take [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► one comic series to a desert island to [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► this would be at now I love that I love [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► that issue with the young woman who [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► lives on shadow hill because it's also [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► great examination of the immigrant [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► experience to or you know or or how one [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► of the unique things about living in the [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► city of people often think about urban [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► existence is being pretty cosmopolitan [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► there's a pretty healthy mixture [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► exchange of ideas and of course people [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► who live in cities [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► eat a different types of ethnic food [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► every week and go different vessels and [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► it also points out that there are people [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► who are pretty much committed to the [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► exact opposite experience and for their [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► kids there's a huge tension between you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► know the the strong cultural [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► identification versus having the same [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► kind of flattened out cosmopolitan urban [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► lifestyle that that they may see or [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► among their peers are having the [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► workplace and I thought this is this is [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► actually kind of a complication [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► you should have people read if you're [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► ever doing like a class on on the urban [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► that the immigrant experience in America [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► because I don't know abuse its personal [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► histories and I don't know what his [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► background is but he really seems to [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► capture the tension well between e [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► between generations or between you know [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► people's attitudes towards the place [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► where they live and I thought it's [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► really nuanced for comic yes was giving [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► me all kinds i've recently my husband [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► and I and our son went to New York City [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► for a vacation and you know the the same [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► idea i'm fairly certain that beauty [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► pulled from more than New York that [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► there's probably several different [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► cities that he sort of pulled from to [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► create the idea of Astro City but still [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► as you said all of these different areas [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► of the working class neighborhood the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► immigrant neighborhoods the shiny [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► beautiful downtown all of these [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► different areas on the first trade [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► paperback in the back there's like a [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► special section where they include some [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► of the maps and the drawings as they [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► were putting together the city also i [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► admit the only one I actually caught was [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► kirby but all of these names of streets [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► or landmarks of neighborhoods all harken [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► back to Golden Age earlier comic artists [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► mhm so that was a really cool touch away [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► for him to pay homage but yet even [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► reading through these and thinking you [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► know I'd have flashes of you know the [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► New York experience of the fact that you [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► know some of the friends that we visited [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► will talk about how you know they almost [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► never went to you know x neighborhood or [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► why neighborhood because they had their [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► own area that was there bubble there [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► their world their their neighborhood was [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► right there and they didn't have a new [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► need to go farther and setting it up [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► this early with the shadow hill episode [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► helps make the later developments in the [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► second volume with the with confession [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► more believable as the serial killer [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► starts attacking shadow hill resident [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► right and there's then instantly this [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► divide of you know for most of the rest [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► of the city not our problem [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► it's those weirdos it's those crazy [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► people you know what will let other [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► people handle it that helps build the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► tension that the alien invaders take [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► advantage of to create even more [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► division to discredit the superheroes so [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► that they can try to lead up to invasion [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► on it all felt very real [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► yeah I agree yea even as you had [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► eldritch as you said Eldridge beings [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► guardian of the neighborhoods and [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► vampires and I'll inhale Ian talk about [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► creepy guardian for for shadow hill it's [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the end man and it's so he's got like a [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► like a noose around his neck and like a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► burlap sack over his head and he floats [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► around and yet he's like the beloved [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► neighborhood landmark like everybody who [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► lives there is all hey man hey hey but [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► you know don't look at me they not to [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► him they don't expect him to look back [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► yeah right i like when they do the the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► during the alien invasion and they do [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► the check-ins with all the different [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► cities throughout the world and they [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► showed in every city has kind of their [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► their resident yeah [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► many of them locally themed gotten [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► ridiculously low Chicago's the [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► untouchable yes [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► yeah you're skyscraper the Boston [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► silversmith but you know but after city [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► is it is the place with all the you know [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► with more superheroes per square mile [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► than anywhere else so so i have to admit [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► when i read through confession and the [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► penny drops for me as to what exactly [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► was going on I actually set out loud [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► re spoiling a book that's like 20 years [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► old this point or do I have to because [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► like I I said holy crap to me Batman a [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► vampire and [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► I was just like I was literally and like [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► I literally stop and just took a moment [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► to let that wash over because it's one [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► of them most like you have this [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► Cathedral that is basically the the [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► Winchester Mystery House of of of [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► consecrated buildings from the way it's [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► described and then you have again you [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► have Batman and he's a vampire in a [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► priest and it and he you know he gets a [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► little sidekick the altar boy and it [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► just feels like this this is amazing [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► oh my god whoever writes bad like [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► probably cried into her pillow for a [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► week over not having thought of this [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► first cuz i'm just taking a break [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► well and in in Batman would have had to [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► have been in elseworld whereas here it's [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► just the story [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah the vampire bat man it's [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► always gonna be good and an altar boy is [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► it is an actual adult which is why it [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► also makes sense to is he's a young [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► adult and he's got his own you know [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► orphan thing going on but he's a [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► grown-up and so that takes away all [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► whole lot of the eyebrow reason you're [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► like really Batman is running around [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► with a very young teenage boy solving so [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► many single teenager I think it's still [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► intentionally somewhat unsettling and [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► obviously aspect only adds to it i mean [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► yeah the choosing the name altar boy for [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► your sidekick that's significant I know [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► I know right now is wait for it [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► this is a pretty spotlight world I i [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► want to haha but still it's a little bit [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► is I admit a little bit of I raising but [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► they do depict him as a young man and [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► not a teenager so it's not quite as [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► quickly as it could be [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► yeah right you're looking like 18-19 [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► number in there but yeah it's like the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► the Deacon I mean yes it's ok you can [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► have you could have an adult sidekick [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► but just there's something about altar [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► boy it just sounds right [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► I just appreciate how gradually things [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► are introduced right i like it doesn't [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► he's not on anyone else's schedule right [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► like we will get a mention of a [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► character many many issues of you know [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► that this is the Confessor gets [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► mentioned in the the alien bug guys like [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► you know basically his list of the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► important heroes to be aware of and he [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► doesn't appear until many issues later [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► yeah and it's so it's not like we need [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► to set something up now so we can use in [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► the next issue so that it can be a big [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► the issue after that Ryan that then we [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► can be done with it it's like no there's [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► just this big world there's lots of [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► little things going on various [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► characters are wandering through and [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► doing stuff and I just I appreciate that [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► is it feels like there's all this stuff [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► and it's not just there because we [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► needed to be there [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► it's like now there's all this stuff is [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► all the stuff is happening in the world [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► yeah and to follow on that that that not [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► only is there the luxury of time that [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► you see it gets in creating this world [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► but there's also the fact that you know [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► he's not constrained by typical [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► superhero tropes something that occurred [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► to me as I was reading at this time [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► around is the fact that he chooses his [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► point of view characters in such a way [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► that something a storyline that would be [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► like the big storyline it would be like [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► a346 issue arc uh come culminating in [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► this massive climax and in Astro City [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► it's almost like it's in the background [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the alien invasion thing um you know it [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► gets introduced and what the fifth issue [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► of the first trade with the Bridewell [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► character who is an advanced spy for [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► this for these aliens and you know at [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► the end he decides yes i'm going to call [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► them and they're going to come and [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► invade and that feels like it gets [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► dropped in favor of the Samaritan [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► victory getting a date and then you've [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► got this totally new character coming in [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► from the outside traveling to Astro City [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► who wants to get to know these [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► superheroes he's not looking to become [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► one at that time he just wants to you [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► know be around them but then [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► circumstances happen he gets noticed the [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► Confessor takes him on as his sidekick [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► and the events that are driving the [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► problems the unrest in the city we learn [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► later on were being caused by the aliens [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► taking advantage of the shadow hill [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► issue and then the giant invasion you [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► know once the aliens are revealed and [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► the Confessor dies and all the [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► superheroes have to come together but [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► that's not the focus [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► yeah you get this background report of [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► what happens in the invasion and then [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► there's like an oh yeah of course we [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► want the entire battle with Oliver [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► superheroes against an alien invasion [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► fleet is a single page i'm not getting [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► its getting late for panel it's a single [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► page that begins with in the end of [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► course we won that's the first line in [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► that on that page and i read that and [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► thinking to myself you know this is this [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► is the thing we've we've done episodes [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► about big events before you have these [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► you have these huge scale events where [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► it's just you know massive carnage and a [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► billion different characters are [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► fighting and as a reader I generally [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► find it uninteresting because you've [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► lost you know unless you're focused on [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► on specific characters it ends up just [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► being kind of like huge scale action and [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► although it sounds really great as an [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► idea from page to page it's actually [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► kind of boring and I saw this and I i [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► was sort of gleeful I was like yeah four [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► panels and we beat the aliens done move [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► let's go back to the story and it's like [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► it's a small world of a of heroes 2 [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► because you've got oh it's the [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► Kookaburra down and Canada Australia and [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► I think that's the real thing in atlanta [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► and then it's the birds-of-paradise in [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► rio de janeiro and you know the real [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► things without wears a red suit and he's [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► got a script on his units on my run to [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► write and liking in its bubbles or [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► something and then they have trolls up [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► in up in Scandinavia and I was just [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► delighted by the respectful attention [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► pain to civic identity there it was it [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► was it was like so much more [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► it felt so much more fun than you know [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► having we have a Russian character boys [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► law [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah yeah and similarly the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► other big thing in the second volume of [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► the shadow hill thing gets resolved in a [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► page it's like after the alien invasions [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► over and that's done there's one more [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► murder by the serial killer and then [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► whatever for whatever reason the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► hangman's figured out what's going on [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► you have this one big page of the Hanged [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► Man in with your giant more like the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► leader yeah and that's resolved and you [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► know and it's all focused through a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► Brian the altar boys yea you know own [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► growth you know the it's in the [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► background because we are focusing on [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► him as a character growing it to a point [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► where he steps up and he's apparently [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► going to be the new confessor and he [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► finally understands and forgives his [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► father right right which i think it's i [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► think it's really good use of you point [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► to that we uh and he's very consistent [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► music is with the way Brian refers to [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► his father and tells the story of his [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► father this way he starts by saying his [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► father was a doctor and PE didn't like [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► make sure people paid and they owed him [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► and then he died and he died and they [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► had all of these debts and everything [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► was ruined for Brian and he and he hated [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► everything and now he's coming to the [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► big city and and when you get to that [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► moment where he really kind of fights [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► with his with his mentor with a [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► confessor the confessors comment about [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► his father is because you're worse than [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► my father uses I I your father sounds [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► like he was a great guy I wish I could [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► have met him and it's like you realize [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► you realize you're reading this that [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► yeah you know we've been I mean I i read [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► that he was being angry with his father [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► right but it's like the narrative is [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► very consistent about where with brian [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► brian has a lot of anger toward his [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► father but it's really jarring when the [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► Contessa just out and says you know no I [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► think your dad was great and it and it [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► takes Brian another long period of time [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► before you can really come to terms with [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► the fact that his father was a good man [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► and and although he you know sort of [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► ended up in a putting his family in a [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► difficult place he was he was being [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► selfless by saving people like a [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► superhero might exactly the parallel [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► there is just so elegant it is it's [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► really well done and you you see you [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► know he's a young kid and he has to go [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► through the ESN like work through his [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► anchor and then grow up and realize what [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► what the end of the reality of the [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► situation wasn't and there's time taken [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► because that one goes over multiple [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► issues there's you get the time to watch [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► Brian go from being his first day in the [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► big city to and the end being a hero in [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► the big city on his own [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► it's a more plausible transformation [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► then then anything I've seen in the DC [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► Universe i'm going to say harking back [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► to sidekicks you get pushed into [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► therefore no just not name names or [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► nowhere mean [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► anyway when Grayson but I it's this is [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► just such a thoughtful book and like i [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► said earlier there's a huge amount of [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► compassion that goes through it because [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► when i read that when i went back and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► read the first issue with the Samaritan [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► and then reread it i just felt so [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► exhausted and so bad for this poor guy [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► he he's never the eighth there there is [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► literally nothing in his life thanks to [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► look forward to accept more of the same [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► and it's not going to stop until he dies [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► like there's just no way he's ever going [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► to be able to retire and that's horrible [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► well I mean this is business the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► argument this is the argument about [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► Superman right is yeah if if you taking [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► an hour to read a book means that you [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► don't stop a damn from bursting [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► somewhere that kills five thousand [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► what do you do you ever read a book then [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► or do you are you literally going all [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► the time and that's the story of the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► Samaritan he is he can't bear to live [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► through that moment where he doesn't [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► save somebody because he he's taking [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► time off and the irony here and they say [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► this is like there are all these other [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► superheroes [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► there they go out on the date because [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► they're the everybody else is basically [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► conspired to say we will mind the store [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► while you guys go out on a date just [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► please do it where you're really hard to [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► be around take some time right yeah it's [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► interesting cuz music actually tackles [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► the Superman thing in on one of my [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► favorite Superman stories to date the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► secret identity for issue series he just [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► where you know it's it's legitimately in [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► New Yorker writer named Clark Kent who [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► somehow it does have powers and [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► basically makes a devil's deal with the [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► US government to work with or for them [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► over the course of his adulthood but by [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the end of the series that was like we [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► have superheroes coming out of our ears [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► at this point we really don't need you [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► and so to have that everyone to have [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► that pushed back again with the [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► Samaritan it makes me it makes me think [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► that music has a very definite idea over [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► like the psychological toll of being [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► someone like Superman or being someone [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► like my winged victory [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► I'm and and that the idea is that if you [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► want the pace that's presupposed in [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► other books you would be kind of a [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► record lunatic one of the other or [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► possibly supernatural like the Hanged [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► Man but i want to ask um I especially [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► least an inch in about one of the [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► aspects of winged victory that i thought [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► was really interesting is that in that [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► in that date they have a very [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► interesting debate she and submit [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► Samaritan where he basically says what's [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► your strategy about who you save right [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► because they're talking about he's [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► obsessed with saving everybody and and [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► she says well you know I'm I my goal is [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► to be independent and to look out for [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► women and that that's what I'm that's [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► what I'm focusing on and he any kind of [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► pushes back on her and says well you [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► know what if there was so there was a [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► guy dying in a woman dying and you could [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► save one of them but not the other you [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► would say the woman she's like yeah [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► that's what I do and I I thought I kept [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► waiting for that moment where I was like [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► what is going on and in fact he just he [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► just walks the line so beautifully in in [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► letting both of those characters not [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► entirely except where the other one is [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► coming from but but letting them walk [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► through that and I just I what what did [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► you think of of winged victory and her [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► like she she is a she is explicitly a [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► feminist superhero this is she's going [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► to use her powers for feminism that is [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► her thing I i think it's fascinating [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► I like that I like that you took Wonder [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► Woman to the logical extreme because in [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► the books wonder woman is pretty cagey I [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► mean oh she comes from an all-female [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► island and she's devoted and so on and [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► so forth but they've always been really [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► careful with Wonder Woman respecting all [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► life and and and I think it's because [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► you can't have a character like that in [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► DC who says yeah you know I mom [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► yeah i'm watching out for ladies first [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► without provoking like some big crybaby [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► fan backlash but what I like about this [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► is the way she lays out her case is um [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► she's like look there's a lot of [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► systemic there's a lot of the system is [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► stacked against women and statistically [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► speaking women are more likely to be the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► victims of this kind of stuff [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► why would i not do this and it [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► absolutely makes sense because the way [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► Samaritan season is all victims [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► your equal and he's kind of ignoring [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► whatever built-in inequality there maybe [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► and in the Astro City universe and that [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► is actually where she starts from is by [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► taking a look at the built-in [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► inequalities and who has more advantages [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► here advantages and what is she couldn't [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► love the playing field and I thought it [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► was I thought it was great to have her [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► lay it out so calmly and so and and with [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► such determination of purpose [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► yeah it's a really neat contrast of [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► philosophies because she's not only [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► decided that you know her focus is going [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► to be women first if she's got to save [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► people she's gonna start saving women [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► first but she also backs it up we find [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► out that she operates this whole network [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► of what started out as shelters for [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► women who needed shelter shelter from [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► whatever domestic violence or getting [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► away from parents who have for whatever [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► reason and then when she saw that the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► women were beginning to depend on her [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► too much she turned these shelters [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► essentially into schools teaching these [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► women's self-defense teaching them [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► skills teaching them what they needed to [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► be independent on their own which is why [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► she gets sort of the occult tag from [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► some of the people who aren't looking [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► closely at what she's doing out in the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► population so she's she's trying her [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► best to back up what she's doing and set [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► it up so that she's not needed as much [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► on the other hand you know the poor [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► Samaritan in it he's as she puts it you [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► know he looks it he looks at it in a [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► matter in matter of time [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► the maximum number of people i can [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► rescue with the time on given and for [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► him it can be something huge like [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► stopping a tsunami on the coast of the [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► Philippines or getting a cat down from a [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► tree for a girl it doesn't matter if it [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► is on his way if it is where he can do [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► something about it he does it [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► there's also the neat bit of the fact [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► that he makes time even though he knows [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► it's costing lives somewhere in the [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► world when people want to honor him when [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► people want to give him that banquet or [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► hand in that plaque thanking him for his [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► service he does it because he learned if [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► he tries to ignore it [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► people got upset with him and angry with [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► him for not letting them ignore [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► watch what he does so he makes the time [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► to essentially be the perfect superhero [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► even though it is the wearing him down [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► the wing victories of brush everything [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► reminds me sort of a movie a she-devil [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► where oh where the hell yea where the [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► spurned what no because this burn wife [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► has left more or less powerless one her [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► husband leaves her because he gives her [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► next to no assets he makes he takes the [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► children [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► she's left to work ascot job and I [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► although the focus of all the [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► hierarchies basically i'm gonna ruin his [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► life and she goes around and she does it [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► she does it by built by starting a temp [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► agency for all of the women in the world [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► who who have been treated as disposable [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► have been discarded or overlooked or [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► ignored and she empowers them and she [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► helps them create a network of a [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► professional network of women who can [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► help each other to and um when your [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► victory begins talking about yeah we [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► have self defense classes we have ways [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► to teaches women to be economically and [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► physically independent and confident of [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► themselves in the world I'm like oh my [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► god semester rose and I i find it [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► interesting that that's an idea that [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► actually comes up again and again in a [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► in a lot of different iterations on how [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► to empower women and it basically comes [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► down to giving women the tools to take [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► care of themselves [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► I find it really interesting however [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► that comes up in the comics because [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► that's not something you see a whole lot [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► of in comic book culture and all like [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► you very rarely see a concerted effort [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► among women to organize for themselves [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► or for their own benefit unless it's [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► going to be like some sort of silver age [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► where the Amazons her hero overthrew the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► Justice League because women is over [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► whatever and then you're like oh god [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► sixties but it's still it's pretty it's [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► it's a pretty radical insertion and [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► comic book culture you don't I can't [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► recall seeing much like it in [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► um either Marvel or DC or even when I [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► think about it you know the wild storm [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and image stuff of their own of the turn [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► the turn into the 21st century either [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► and music just sneaks it on there and [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► ate [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► I want to throw in a couple other things [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► i just want to mention it but this feels [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► very scattershot but it's like this is [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► an anthology series it's just there's so [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► much did to discuss so I wanted a couple [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► of things I want to mention one is the [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► sense of history there's a nice scene in [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► the very beginning of the the confession [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► storyline where the kid who brian who at [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► that point is just working in a bar it's [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► his first job in Astro City it says [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► who's that over there and it in the [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► bartender who used to be himself a [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► superhero explains that it's Iron Horse [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► the human locomotive he's been around [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► since 1862 which I really love and he's [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► like oh I thought eres was the first one [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► is like I was the first one to get [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► headlines but the Hanged Man the old [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► soldier and we see the old soldier in an [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► another story and the and Ironhorse the [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► Iron Horse kid and i love that the idea [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► that oh these guys go back you know [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► we've been having superhuman characters [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► all the way back in time and the old [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► soldier is almost like a he's he's a [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► little captain america like but he's [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► also like the spirit of soldiers from [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► all times and he liked appears when he's [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► needed which is really interesting too [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► so i liked i thought it was a really [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► nice touch to do not only have like this [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► rich world but this rich history that [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► extends you get the sense you know way [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► back than anybody even knows and i just [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► love that that sense of depth back there [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► it makes me believe in this in this [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► world just with those little tidbits and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► i'll share one other one that I that I [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► like and then and then maybe you can all [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► chime in with things that you want to [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► mention that we haven't gotten to yet [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► which is i love that issue with the new [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► the new reporter or the who gets the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► story of x from the old the old old guy [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► the old editor who used to be a reporter [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► and so it goes back in time we don't see [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► a lot of things we get we get introduced [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► to the silver agent who is a definitely [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► a Johnny hand some kind of superhero but [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► he's introduced as the soup the silver [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► agent the poor doomed silver agent and [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► then his fate is not revealed in any of [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► these stories it's just there you know [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► he's doomed the whole time and then the [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► other part of the end is so great [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► is that it becomes this funny journalism [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► story at the end where the Edit where [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► the young reporter gets back to the the [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► paper and they're like nope you don't [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► have any evidence you were the only at [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► because he goes to another dimension and [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► sees this great battle and comes back [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► like nope it's just the facts me [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► rewrites nope still not nope nope nope [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► and in the end the punch line is that [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► the only story that they allowed him to [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► print is trolley delayed by shark just [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► be anything [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'll and and yet again to talk [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► about comic book issues you should you [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► should teach people in class [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► this should absolutely be something that [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► is taught in a school yes it's true it's [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► like you know you you have no there are [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► no other witnesses and you have this [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► fantastic story and even if it's true [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► and he eventually does prove that it's [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► true after a long time by talking to [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► some of the heroes who were there it's [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► too late at that point but it's like [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► what are the facts what what is provable [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► and it's completely deluded down too [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► well I return from that dimension on the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► trolley tracks along with the one dead [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► shark man yeah yeah sure [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► shark delayed the trolley so that's the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► students know by Leiter made me laugh [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► and also toxic but i think when i had [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► the journalism Benson I love about that [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► story is how he does eventually like [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► prove the story and so it tells you that [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► in the back of his mind there was some [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► professional presents like I'm going to [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► make sure i can tell the story at some [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► point like you just know the first time [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► he got a property witnesses like now how [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► can i is there a way i can publish that [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► but oh my gosh now it sits on that such [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► a great issue I yet they refer to the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► the silver agent and I don't know about [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► you but i had to pretty much physically [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► talk myself out of going on amazon and [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► order in the next class just think [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► that's a brother [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► they're up to 13 now and the newest now [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► that it's back now that's advert ago [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► they there on like issue 37 it'sit's I [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► think maybe the the longest sustained [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► run they've had its green and not to [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► spoil anything but we do eventually find [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► out how he became poor and doomed [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► yeah what else we're anything else that [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► uh that the people want to met mention [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► about astro city other than its it's [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► great i mean i-i was I had no background [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► and I [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► I wanted to say that i've really enjoyed [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► it i thought it was really great i love [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► the character designs [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► oh yeah oh damn homie there because they [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► managed to be wholly original while also [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► suddenly simultaneously plant paying [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► homage to their analogs in DC or marvel [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► as the case may be Winged Victory being [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► an especially nice case of that like I [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► think it's great that they've managed to [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► get her and evoke like the Grecian ideal [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► of winged victory and you're at the same [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► time the first restaurant Wonder Woman [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► and part of it is that you have alex [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► ross working on a lot of the character [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► designs yeah so it's got that style it's [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► got that real classic look and of course [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► he steeped in history all these things [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► anyway of of the real things that [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► they're making analogues of and it's [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► just so smartly put together and one of [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► the things that struck me reading at [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► this time around [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► just the incredible scope of characters [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► there are so many characters that we [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► only get a we get not as like there's [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► there's the big ones we get a lot of [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► Samaritan we get a lot of the Confessor [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► of of winged victory and then there's [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► this whole second layer of characters [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► the honor guard and that sort of thing [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► that we get bits and pieces of we get a [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► decent look at like jack-in-the-box but [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► we never get his origin we never get how [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► he started and we're not sure what [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► happened to him at the end of the second [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► trade there's the the implication is [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► he's been killed but we don't know and [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► so many other characters the you know [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► we've got jack in the box and then [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► crackerjack who is just the most bonkers [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► um booster goldish character played by a [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► young bruce campbell I believe but yeah [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► um and you know in the background we [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► have others like the speedster is mph [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► and you know we get almost nothing of [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► him other than the fact that he's a team [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► player and he's the one who sort of [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► spearheads getting Samaritan and winged [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► victory out for their date for one night [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► you know Cleopatra I guess sort of big [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► barda is she's kind of you know but [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► above all of all these things you get [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► all these glimpses of all these [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► different heroes that you know through [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► guys you said 13 trades for all of these [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► characters to be developed and explored [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► and played with i want to mention [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► crackerjack i love crackerjack he is he [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► is introduced it easy he's lazy he's [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► totally takes credit for everything he's [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► not he's not not a hero he is a hero but [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► he will also talk you into sharing the [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► credit with him and then taking all the [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► credit and he does it again and again [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► and apparently he's not completely [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► worried about evidence [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► yeah just like grab some folks up and [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► dumped in front of the police officers [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► say here you go it's not my problem [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► right and and he doesn't seem to have a [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► secret identity so much as he has a [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► various like run of identities that he [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► takes temporarily and then kind of [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► throws away and he's got the little [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► curly mustache thing just whole lot just [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► hilarious character because it's not [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► that he's not a hero [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► he's not a fraud it's just that he is an [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► awful person [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► Darrell's plan is to create it was he is [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► in some ways it's a it's his grading [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► personality that triggered the alien [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► invasion [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► oh yeah part this is completely [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► insignificant completely in company guy [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► and he does just one thing and that just [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► sets off that the alien spot my record [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► collection i have to say as much as that [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► as much as I love a spider-man I i saw [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► some spider-man and Cracker Jack right [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► he's like he's kinda there's a spider in [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► there he talks a good game but uh that's [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► about all but it's beautiful it's a [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► beautiful thing [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► so he was one of my favorite little [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► things and jack in the box i want to [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► mention and we will get too close to [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► check the box but he's a he's a it's a [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► ridiculous looking a ruling [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► ridiculous-looking character but uh but [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► i think is very interesting in the in [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► his interactions with a guy who [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► discovered the secret identity and I [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► thought that was kind of a it just yeah [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► great character designs [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► nice stuff they'd be on the bridge well [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► thing where there's the spy alien spy he [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► gave me almost like a wild cards five to [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► go back to the george RR martin yeah [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► anthology was like that kind of [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► character because there's this fifties [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► pulpy alien invasion thing going on [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► that's uh that's you know it's 50s pulp [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► sci-fi as much as it is the Silver Age [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► comics stuff not just all all all good [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► stuff just all and not and not again if [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► you're somebody who has a read this but [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► his red you know watch man or something [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► like that the difference is that [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► watchman set the table although i love [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► watch men for a lot of really dark unfun [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► grinds through superhero tropes and this [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► is not that at all not even Glenn and [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► more is telling one story and he has one [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► grim idea that he wants to get across [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► where is this is such a wide range of [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► styles [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► yeah yeah totally wide open yeah that [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► you can get something as well crafted as [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the Confessor you know born of a border [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► priest becomes a vampire but you know [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► he's going to be a good nails all this [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► time higher bid yeah where is he wears a [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► cross on his shell on his chance to get [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► her stuff he doesn't hurt [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► yeah it's awesome yeah but it's just two [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► points to remind him and I'm flip side [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► sin in like the very last there's a cota [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► issue at the end of the collection for [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► confessions where you have a care of [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► villain that place with time and causes [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► these interdimensional things and the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► care and the superhero that stops him is [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► basically a 1940's football player and [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► his little sidekick the basement asking [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► baseball area slender it they get kind [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► of the corniest possible you know that [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► was that was one that made me think the [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► tick let that a particular character [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► yeah the kind of over-the-top [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► ridiculousness of it but but it worked [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► it was beautiful it's sort of like i [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► mean i was i was saying this earlier [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► that this is my favorite of the [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► alternate heroes and troops unless you [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► count the tick [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► I mean this is like good stories i love [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► the tick but but this is like well [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► written the point of the tenure is [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► basically jokes [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► yes yeah right madman [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► the scene version of this yes thank you [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► bad magazine is a good way to put it [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► because it's basically i'm gonna sing [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► for the punch line every time and it's [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► like this in innocence you even when it [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► when it catches up to that and and their [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► moments even through the lady folks were [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► some of our villains go go a little [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► maybe make a little over that line [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► unfortunately yeah and when it it [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► reminds me of a line that used to [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► describe in the writers room for the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► adventures of brisco county jr that [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► would be up trust me trust me out they [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► wanted it to be just under over-the-top [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► which makes a lot of sense haha this [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► actually achieves it [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► yeah it is hard with those characters [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► that are kind of kind of a commentary on [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► other characters kind of a joke i think [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► this does it that the better you do [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► better than the tech does it better than [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► a venture brothers tries to walk that [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► line a lot with a lot of us actors [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► online is clearly influenced a lot by [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► the tick this does it well I mean it is [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► strange i read this pretty early on in [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► my comics reading a career career is [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► that a word and I'll pass time you know [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► i think you're sorry and costs vary got [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► it got into coming but that was it may [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► look like not printed out for you okay [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► oh okay put it onto a nice thick paper [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► watchman was one of the first things i [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► read which was very weird to read [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► watchmen and uh and not have a huge [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► background in having reading comics I [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► mean obviously you can't live in this [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► country and not pick up a lot of [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► superhero jargon that's just the world [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► we live in [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► but I read this not too long after and I [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► think I definitely got a lot more out of [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► it coming back and reading it reading it [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► this weekend there's a lot you know [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► there's there's all the superhero tropes [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► is familiar with from all the other ways [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► that we experienced superheroes and [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► unity and movies and video games but now [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► i get that added layer of you know of [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► several hundred issues of superhero [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► comics that I'm not consumed too so I [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► interrupt this podcast to tell you [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► something that's not quite an ad [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► although it is self-promotion the [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► incomparable will be at the now hear [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► this podcast festival in anaheim [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► california this October we're not going [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► to be there alone will be there with [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► dozens of your favorite podcast public [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► radio comedy storytelling and us onstage [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► all in one place tickets are on sale now [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► it sort of like a comic-con but [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► for podcast it's a weekend jam-packed [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► with live performances and special [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► events for podcast fans Marc Maron will [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► be there with his producer to share [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► favorite moments from WTF their live [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► performances a great podcast like how [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► did this get paid the moth criminal the [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► gist comedy bang bang [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► I'm very excited hello from the magic [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► tavern one of my very favorite podcast [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► is going to be there and hey one of your [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► favorite podcast is going to be there [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► it's us lots of people from the [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► incomparable are coming to anaheim for [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► this so register today at now hear this [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► fest dot-com now here hcar this fast [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► dot-com check out special ticket options [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► reserved seating VIP express lines and [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► other stuff meet-and-greets stuff like [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► that it's october 28 through 30th in [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► anaheim california the happiest place on [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► earth [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► so go to now hear this fest dot-com for [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► more info and hopefully we will see you [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► there in late October before we go I [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► wanted to add go around in case because [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► this happens sometimes in case there's [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► something that's a comic that you've [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► been reading lately that you would like [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► to plug you like to promote that you've [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► enjoyed it's a segment that I like to [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► call what are we reading although again [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► the president the president fool you [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► something recent that you'd like to [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► mention it's always nice to do that Lisa [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► do you have anything that you're reading [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► or have read lately that you want to get [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► out there in the world for people to [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► check out said i'm pretty sure i talked [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► about atomic robo at our last comic book [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► club tonight you may have but hey it's [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► always good to promote atomic robo rate [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► which is hilarious and the writer the [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► writer that is brand Clevenger that [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► spelled CLE VI n ger and I went and got [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► his copy of adventures and the Infinity [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► Gauntlet which was a what he did for [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► Marvel and long story short pick it up [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► because the doctor do lines alone [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► hilarious comedy gold I was laughing and [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► laughing and spider-man just gets it [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► coming and going this it's really funny [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► and and again i want to point out the [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► doctor dooms lines or comedy called [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► especially when he call Shotgun on the [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► spaceship so totally recommend that [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► I'm another series that I've picked up a [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► little bit is secret avengers i just [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► finished vol.1 yeah which yep which I [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► really enjoyed and so plan on diving in [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► and spending more money on that too [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► and the other thing and this is off the [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► superhero reservation but I've been kind [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► of going on a retro indie indie comic [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► strips terror as it were and I just [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► finished reading Alison Bechdel Zhan the [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► essential dykes to watch out for which [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► spans just years and years and years and [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► what is you know I get the cast of [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► thousands so it's a lot like reading [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► your tip your typical you know Tyson [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► flights comic book and what's really [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► interesting about it is watching a how [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► the the plot lines and the priorities [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► and the characters lives shipped from [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► the mid-eighties all the way up to 2007 [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► went back to help with the the strip on [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► hiatus seemingly permanently so and it's [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► interesting because her artistic fairly [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► consistent and when she doesn't update [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► the characters looks as though it's [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► always tied into two storylines and I'm [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► want to talk about another female [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► cartoonist / comic comic artist who [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► doesn't get a whole lot of attention [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► these days but her name is Mary Ann [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► Handley and I just read an illustrator [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► graphic memoir she did called the [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► shiniest jewel a family love story which [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► is her story of a failed adoption Russia [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► followed by a successful adoption Russia [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► all while her father is dying and it's [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► just it's so elegantly drawn and written [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► with such warmth and such heart is [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► really just a beautiful book and it's [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► available used on amazon it didn't get I [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► don't think you got the attention that [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► it should have but it's just a great [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► afternoons read i really loved it and [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► that the last few pages have just really [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► stuck with me [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► so a plus plus we have read again as a [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► matter of fact so Tony what are you [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► I i haven't picked up any new series [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► recently so i don't know if i have [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► anything super exciting too [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► the ad i just read yesterday the latest [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► volume of miss marvel i just read the [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► latest volume saga [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► yeah so still reading lots of Hellboy [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► and hellboy spin-offs that that's Tony [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► alright that's the song that dive n [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► that's the beauty of David any comics [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► that you've been reading lately that you [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► want to mention sure [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► well I've been catching up on the ester [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► city i'm master trades that i have not [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► had not read a city that's hot [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► had not read a city that's hot [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► that's great we should do I know with [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► some incentive for years some kind of [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► city of Astros you say is the Houston [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► Astros Jason and I've been rereading the [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► Darwin cooks adaptations of the Parker [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► novels by Richard stark really Donald [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► westlake which are gorgeous gorgeous in [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► period adaptations of these these really [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► hard nor heist novels great work great [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► heart and and maybe the best adaptation [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► of those books in any medium I mean [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► there's been plenty of movies based on [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► several of them now go to go to the [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► Darwin cookbooks and I've been reading [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► catching up on ms marvel and the the [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► last thing that i bought as a collection [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► was spider-man and the x-men written by [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► elliott kalyan which possibly has my [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► very favorite comic panel of all time [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► and you'll know it when you see it all [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► right Shannon anything to recommend [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► unfortunately I'm behind on my reading [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► I've got a stack of things that you all [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► have been recommending Brubaker's fade [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► out and stuff like that i need to read [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► that like several titles that have been [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► recommended recently but this is the [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► itinerary but Lisa tells me segment I [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► subscribe to that mailing list please [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► read the shinies jewel please give Mary [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► Ann Handley some money at such great [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► book but i did stumble across hardback [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► copies of the adaptation of stephen [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► king's the stand on in a comic book [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► store they were all like half off except [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► that I grabbed up the entire run except [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► for the last one that's the 1i still [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► need to track down so I've been you know [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► rereading that the stand is one of my [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► all-time favorite novels ever ever ever [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► and its really interesting having of [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► course read the original book and read [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► Stephen King's expansion of his original [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► book we put all the stuff you have to [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► cut out back in arm and of course there [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► was the miniseries a number of years ago [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► and now to read the graphic novel [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► version on and to see what things get [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► emphasized and what things get put away [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► is [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► a rather interesting exercise in medium [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► and what things get directed in which [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► way when you change medium so that's [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► been an interesting experiment reading [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► through those and for me I'm going to [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► recommend one I I to have sort of slow [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► down i'm reading some of the same stuff [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► is always always have talked about [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► before but i found now I knew this came [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► out but it's now coming out on Marvel [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► unlimited it's a mini series of five [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► issue i think miniseries called x-men [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► colon worst X man ever [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► this is written by Max Bemis who is the [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► lead singer and creative force behind [TS]