165: Grieving for My Left Thumb
00:00:03
◼
►
the incomparable number 165 october2013
[TS]
00:00:11
◼
►
welcome back to be uncomfortable i'm
[TS]
00:00:15
◼
►
your host Jason still and in this
[TS]
00:00:16
◼
►
episode we're going to be talking about
[TS]
00:00:17
◼
►
video games i have assigned the member
[TS]
00:00:21
◼
►
is my esteemed panel panelists two games
[TS]
00:00:24
◼
►
to play
[TS]
00:00:25
◼
►
it's a tough job that's podcasting
[TS]
00:00:27
◼
►
business playing games were assigned to
[TS]
00:00:29
◼
►
you and we're going to talk about the
[TS]
00:00:32
◼
►
two games and who knows where it will
[TS]
00:00:33
◼
►
lead I don't play video games i don't
[TS]
00:00:34
◼
►
know what i'm talking about here but
[TS]
00:00:36
◼
►
these guys do and first up that laughter
[TS]
00:00:39
◼
►
you heard there that Steve let's see
[TS]
00:00:41
◼
►
let's have been known to play a video
[TS]
00:00:42
◼
►
game or two in his time hi Steve
[TS]
00:00:44
◼
►
I do play from time to time yes Jason
[TS]
00:00:47
◼
►
and good evening to you
[TS]
00:00:48
◼
►
good evening Dan Morgan is also here
[TS]
00:00:51
◼
►
known to play video games in his sleep
[TS]
00:00:53
◼
►
even he loves them so much that's a lie
[TS]
00:00:56
◼
►
i know it's probably true
[TS]
00:00:58
◼
►
yeah hi hi hi jason and i forget i
[TS]
00:01:03
◼
►
forgot my niceties I'm too busy playing
[TS]
00:01:05
◼
►
a videogame to talk to you
[TS]
00:01:07
◼
►
that's a lie is your new hello very nice
[TS]
00:01:08
◼
►
video gamers not well known for their
[TS]
00:01:10
◼
►
social skills section I will murder us
[TS]
00:01:14
◼
►
Tony sindelar is also here he has
[TS]
00:01:15
◼
►
excellent social skills and there's a
[TS]
00:01:17
◼
►
very polite fellow Tony hi jason i play
[TS]
00:01:20
◼
►
too many video games but i'm here to
[TS]
00:01:22
◼
►
talk about them and sell the truth but
[TS]
00:01:23
◼
►
we can always make this an intervention
[TS]
00:01:25
◼
►
it maybe I and we're all here gathered
[TS]
00:01:28
◼
►
to intervene in the life of our the man
[TS]
00:01:30
◼
►
whose life has been crippled by his
[TS]
00:01:32
◼
►
video game addiction John siracusa hi
[TS]
00:01:35
◼
►
actually I'm in the dam or enroll in
[TS]
00:01:37
◼
►
that I just finished the last game last
[TS]
00:01:39
◼
►
night who did not attend tomorrow like
[TS]
00:01:42
◼
►
we doing it is doing and fishing right
[TS]
00:01:44
◼
►
now I will confess i finished one of
[TS]
00:01:46
◼
►
them today I think I saw one of them
[TS]
00:01:48
◼
►
today too man i don't like thursday guys
[TS]
00:01:51
◼
►
right with hell you been at
[TS]
00:01:52
◼
►
I was on the west coast life is
[TS]
00:01:53
◼
►
different there whatever you know
[TS]
00:01:55
◼
►
well these we all finished it unlike
[TS]
00:01:57
◼
►
some other pot episodes of the in
[TS]
00:01:58
◼
►
cumberland which participants didn't
[TS]
00:02:00
◼
►
routers finish the entire it's a review
[TS]
00:02:03
◼
►
of the first eighty percent just wrong
[TS]
00:02:06
◼
►
I mean that's actually how a lot of game
[TS]
00:02:07
◼
►
reviewers doing the play-by-play 10
[TS]
00:02:09
◼
►
here's what my thoughts are mhm yes some
[TS]
00:02:12
◼
►
kind of chat room that we're not
[TS]
00:02:13
◼
►
streaming to said he played the first 20
[TS]
00:02:15
◼
►
minutes and that's what that's enough
[TS]
00:02:16
◼
►
for him tons yeah I don't know this game
[TS]
00:02:17
◼
►
to get that game took some radical turn
[TS]
00:02:19
◼
►
to our game and you can finish it come
[TS]
00:02:21
◼
►
up i don't want people that I only like
[TS]
00:02:24
◼
►
the first date
[TS]
00:02:25
◼
►
the star wars and those are the best
[TS]
00:02:26
◼
►
minutes i'm not looking at a Star
[TS]
00:02:29
◼
►
Destroyer what's the point yeah all
[TS]
00:02:31
◼
►
downhill after that really alright so to
[TS]
00:02:34
◼
►
talk about two games brothers a tale of
[TS]
00:02:37
◼
►
two sons which these are both games that
[TS]
00:02:40
◼
►
came out this year brothers a tale of
[TS]
00:02:42
◼
►
two sons and gone home for these two
[TS]
00:02:45
◼
►
games and I played what I played gone
[TS]
00:02:52
◼
►
home a little while ago and then I
[TS]
00:02:53
◼
►
finished brothers today and we should
[TS]
00:02:56
◼
►
talk about the both i don't i'm not sure
[TS]
00:02:58
◼
►
if there's a link between the mother
[TS]
00:02:59
◼
►
than these are both sort of like
[TS]
00:03:00
◼
►
critical darlings I think in some ways
[TS]
00:03:02
◼
►
i've heard people talk about them on
[TS]
00:03:04
◼
►
release and praise them highly and when
[TS]
00:03:07
◼
►
I said that I had finished playing gone
[TS]
00:03:08
◼
►
home everybody immediately said you
[TS]
00:03:10
◼
►
should play brothers and I do what I'm
[TS]
00:03:12
◼
►
told on the internet so I i played
[TS]
00:03:14
◼
►
brothers too
[TS]
00:03:15
◼
►
well they're both short games which is
[TS]
00:03:17
◼
►
interesting like this is a yes kind of a
[TS]
00:03:19
◼
►
new genre that I kind of dig which is
[TS]
00:03:20
◼
►
like games that you can play in one or
[TS]
00:03:22
◼
►
two sittings games are always do like
[TS]
00:03:24
◼
►
GTA or something you know grant thought
[TS]
00:03:26
◼
►
or something let's say huge and
[TS]
00:03:27
◼
►
sprawling an epic that's like you know
[TS]
00:03:29
◼
►
when they measure it like this game will
[TS]
00:03:30
◼
►
take you 30 hours to complete and kind
[TS]
00:03:33
◼
►
of kind of dig ya on the other hand i
[TS]
00:03:35
◼
►
would argue that these are almost both
[TS]
00:03:37
◼
►
not games in the there's not a whole lot
[TS]
00:03:39
◼
►
of actual gameplay at him
[TS]
00:03:41
◼
►
what are they then what are no neasden
[TS]
00:03:43
◼
►
Steve I don't know there's a line
[TS]
00:03:45
◼
►
somewhere the college's define games and
[TS]
00:03:47
◼
►
say what is really boring i just like to
[TS]
00:03:51
◼
►
thank them more and for going back and
[TS]
00:03:53
◼
►
explain what GTA stood for things like
[TS]
00:03:57
◼
►
hugs find they are i don't know who are
[TS]
00:03:59
◼
►
excellent he just said that an epic game
[TS]
00:04:02
◼
►
is 30 hours long so is already losing
[TS]
00:04:04
◼
►
credit fast
[TS]
00:04:05
◼
►
I'm i meant double digits but there's a
[TS]
00:04:08
◼
►
lot of hate already here i'll agree with
[TS]
00:04:10
◼
►
you Justice with journey which I one of
[TS]
00:04:12
◼
►
the motivating factors that I had for
[TS]
00:04:13
◼
►
playing of course was that john loves
[TS]
00:04:15
◼
►
journey but one of the things he said
[TS]
00:04:16
◼
►
about it he especially loves by the way
[TS]
00:04:19
◼
►
their their seminal album brace on radio
[TS]
00:04:22
◼
►
anyway the john loves journey but he
[TS]
00:04:25
◼
►
said it only takes like three hours to
[TS]
00:04:27
◼
►
play it's like watching a movie at two
[TS]
00:04:29
◼
►
hours your life movie and that's how to
[TS]
00:04:31
◼
►
classify the genre like now people
[TS]
00:04:33
◼
►
either of these into
[TS]
00:04:34
◼
►
you know just like two-and-a-half hours
[TS]
00:04:37
◼
►
play journey but the point the point is
[TS]
00:04:39
◼
►
that for somebody like me who had who
[TS]
00:04:41
◼
►
has bought lots of video games over the
[TS]
00:04:44
◼
►
years and has never finish to any of
[TS]
00:04:47
◼
►
I loved the idea that I could play
[TS]
00:04:49
◼
►
through this whole story and and and get
[TS]
00:04:52
◼
►
to the end and I wanted to keep playing
[TS]
00:04:54
◼
►
and find all the little gems and get all
[TS]
00:04:55
◼
►
the little trophies i could do that but
[TS]
00:04:57
◼
►
i didn't have to and those these two
[TS]
00:04:59
◼
►
games felt that way to obviously they're
[TS]
00:05:01
◼
►
small and self-contained and I and I
[TS]
00:05:03
◼
►
didn't get that feeling of frustration
[TS]
00:05:04
◼
►
like you know I'm never gonna play
[TS]
00:05:07
◼
►
through this whole story because i'm not
[TS]
00:05:09
◼
►
going to invest 40 hours in the game
[TS]
00:05:10
◼
►
because i just i'm just not it's not
[TS]
00:05:12
◼
►
ever gonna happen in my life I did
[TS]
00:05:14
◼
►
appreciate the fact that neither of
[TS]
00:05:16
◼
►
these games had collectibles which is
[TS]
00:05:17
◼
►
something that is increasingly driving
[TS]
00:05:19
◼
►
me nuts with games got way too much of
[TS]
00:05:21
◼
►
an OCD touch to avoid actually trying to
[TS]
00:05:24
◼
►
get everything although I never succeed
[TS]
00:05:26
◼
►
and that just makes me feel sad it's
[TS]
00:05:27
◼
►
just a way for them to pad out the game
[TS]
00:05:28
◼
►
so they can have those huge our accounts
[TS]
00:05:30
◼
►
and right and and they only did that
[TS]
00:05:31
◼
►
because they've they felt like it did
[TS]
00:05:34
◼
►
they ever get slammed by consumers if
[TS]
00:05:36
◼
►
they didn't like they felt pressure to
[TS]
00:05:37
◼
►
gain people's like oh we're gonna put
[TS]
00:05:39
◼
►
out a game and we have a story to tell
[TS]
00:05:40
◼
►
that story takes about two hours to play
[TS]
00:05:41
◼
►
but that's not long enough for it's not
[TS]
00:05:43
◼
►
viable as a product for us LOL game like
[TS]
00:05:45
◼
►
that so we have to add stuff like stupid
[TS]
00:05:47
◼
►
collectibles and barriers and then
[TS]
00:05:49
◼
►
finally in the past few years like you
[TS]
00:05:50
◼
►
know what if we don't add that people
[TS]
00:05:52
◼
►
actually like the game even better and
[TS]
00:05:54
◼
►
so that's what this new market of you
[TS]
00:05:55
◼
►
know two-hour-long games it's not just
[TS]
00:05:57
◼
►
the saleable part of like you know at
[TS]
00:05:58
◼
►
all it's the like we you know the true a
[TS]
00:06:01
◼
►
title cost 60 bucks right or something
[TS]
00:06:03
◼
►
like that you know 50 60 bucks i mean
[TS]
00:06:05
◼
►
people will feel like hey why I can get
[TS]
00:06:09
◼
►
a movie you know I can watch a movie for
[TS]
00:06:10
◼
►
like ten dollars that takes up two hours
[TS]
00:06:12
◼
►
i'm going to play a game that costs
[TS]
00:06:13
◼
►
sixty dollars better take me longer than
[TS]
00:06:15
◼
►
two hours right like you get this value
[TS]
00:06:17
◼
►
equivalency I don't want to tell you how
[TS]
00:06:19
◼
►
much I want to pay to play journey but
[TS]
00:06:20
◼
►
like at a certain point differential own
[TS]
00:06:22
◼
►
energy was really on the stoop
[TS]
00:06:24
◼
►
especially with the average age of
[TS]
00:06:26
◼
►
gamers now like up in the thirties or
[TS]
00:06:28
◼
►
whatever it is a certain point it
[TS]
00:06:30
◼
►
becomes more valuable to you to get
[TS]
00:06:32
◼
►
something that you can complete in the
[TS]
00:06:34
◼
►
amount of time that you would spend on a
[TS]
00:06:35
◼
►
movie like that that you would pay more
[TS]
00:06:37
◼
►
than you would if you know i still play
[TS]
00:06:39
◼
►
games like the other were you know me
[TS]
00:06:40
◼
►
and my son and putting like 85 hours
[TS]
00:06:42
◼
►
into a zelda game but I know what I'm
[TS]
00:06:44
◼
►
getting there and then
[TS]
00:06:44
◼
►
I'm arguably getting more of my money
[TS]
00:06:46
◼
►
and my sixty dollars worth out of that
[TS]
00:06:47
◼
►
then i get $15 into this but i will
[TS]
00:06:50
◼
►
gladly pay fifteen dollars for a great
[TS]
00:06:51
◼
►
to our game any day
[TS]
00:06:53
◼
►
yeah alright let's get started let's
[TS]
00:06:56
◼
►
talk about gone home which is from the
[TS]
00:06:57
◼
►
Fulbright company came out is this
[TS]
00:07:00
◼
►
summer i want to say and it runs it's on
[TS]
00:07:04
◼
►
it's available on steam it runs on
[TS]
00:07:06
◼
►
windows mac and linux i played on my
[TS]
00:07:08
◼
►
macbook air on a foggy cold of summer
[TS]
00:07:16
◼
►
day at san francisco and this is a this
[TS]
00:07:20
◼
►
is a first-person game that it really
[TS]
00:07:22
◼
►
sets you up to be that it's going to be
[TS]
00:07:26
◼
►
kind of a horror story because it starts
[TS]
00:07:29
◼
►
off as a dark and stormy night and you
[TS]
00:07:32
◼
►
are you are a young woman named caitlin
[TS]
00:07:37
◼
►
who returns home although her family has
[TS]
00:07:40
◼
►
since she's been in Europe studying
[TS]
00:07:43
◼
►
abroad she's a they moved to a new house
[TS]
00:07:46
◼
►
and it's a big house and it's a dark and
[TS]
00:07:48
◼
►
stormy night and the implication is that
[TS]
00:07:49
◼
►
there might be something scary going on
[TS]
00:07:53
◼
►
in there because you're playing a video
[TS]
00:07:54
◼
►
game and of course that would be what
[TS]
00:07:55
◼
►
you'd expect but regardless of the of
[TS]
00:07:58
◼
►
the story what what you find out when
[TS]
00:08:00
◼
►
Kaitlyn arrives at the front door is
[TS]
00:08:02
◼
►
that there is nobody in the house and
[TS]
00:08:05
◼
►
the rest of gamma gone home is
[TS]
00:08:07
◼
►
essentially Caitlin investigating this
[TS]
00:08:09
◼
►
house that she's never been in which is
[TS]
00:08:10
◼
►
good because we've never been in it
[TS]
00:08:11
◼
►
either and trying to figure out what's
[TS]
00:08:14
◼
►
going on and what everybody's been doing
[TS]
00:08:16
◼
►
and why there's nobody there
[TS]
00:08:17
◼
►
does that sound about right more or less
[TS]
00:08:18
◼
►
it's charmingly set in the 1995 so
[TS]
00:08:21
◼
►
there's there's lots of light and
[TS]
00:08:22
◼
►
written notes and and and answering
[TS]
00:08:25
◼
►
machine messages and things like that
[TS]
00:08:26
◼
►
people don't have you know you're not
[TS]
00:08:28
◼
►
looking at people's text messages or
[TS]
00:08:29
◼
►
emails but right if you have a
[TS]
00:08:30
◼
►
smartphone you would have just called
[TS]
00:08:31
◼
►
like family right
[TS]
00:08:33
◼
►
this game is this game doesn't work if
[TS]
00:08:35
◼
►
you have a smartphone so how many people
[TS]
00:08:36
◼
►
knew anything about this game going in
[TS]
00:08:40
◼
►
jason said right you you said you
[TS]
00:08:42
◼
►
thought it would be like a haunted house
[TS]
00:08:43
◼
►
but did you really did you know anything
[TS]
00:08:44
◼
►
about it I knew that it took place in a
[TS]
00:08:47
◼
►
yeah I avoided most stuff I knew
[TS]
00:08:49
◼
►
somebody said that it was affecting and
[TS]
00:08:51
◼
►
that it was not like most games but I
[TS]
00:08:53
◼
►
knew no details other than that it was
[TS]
00:08:55
◼
►
said in this house that was
[TS]
00:08:57
◼
►
that was it yeah I really expected in
[TS]
00:08:59
◼
►
some ways something that as we will get
[TS]
00:09:01
◼
►
into was not in this key but the spoiler
[TS]
00:09:05
◼
►
horn should go off here because you're
[TS]
00:09:07
◼
►
right it is time let's let's yes let's
[TS]
00:09:10
◼
►
fire off 44 gone home work firing off a
[TS]
00:09:14
◼
►
spoiler horn and please come back if if
[TS]
00:09:16
◼
►
you want to listen to to us talk about
[TS]
00:09:18
◼
►
brothers but for this next interval here
[TS]
00:09:21
◼
►
it comes I hear it coming
[TS]
00:09:27
◼
►
no I kept waiting you know you're
[TS]
00:09:29
◼
►
creeping around corners and I turned on
[TS]
00:09:31
◼
►
you can turn on the lights as you go and
[TS]
00:09:33
◼
►
normally in my life you know i turn the
[TS]
00:09:35
◼
►
light on my turn the light off and I
[TS]
00:09:37
◼
►
kind of moved from the house but it's
[TS]
00:09:38
◼
►
not a game
[TS]
00:09:39
◼
►
don't we all and your light off is what
[TS]
00:09:41
◼
►
like me I mean that's one of the most
[TS]
00:09:43
◼
►
successful things about it for my mind
[TS]
00:09:44
◼
►
like I remember coming home to me like a
[TS]
00:09:46
◼
►
house late at night when I was like a
[TS]
00:09:47
◼
►
teenager and you know my parents are out
[TS]
00:09:48
◼
►
of town or something and it's like yeah
[TS]
00:09:50
◼
►
when turn on every light in this house
[TS]
00:09:52
◼
►
yeah it's gonna be the best thing in the
[TS]
00:09:53
◼
►
game the best joke in the whole game is
[TS]
00:09:55
◼
►
where you come upon the cork board with
[TS]
00:09:57
◼
►
the note to the other daughter and the
[TS]
00:09:59
◼
►
dad is saying starting the lights on in
[TS]
00:10:01
◼
►
the house that decision you are of
[TS]
00:10:04
◼
►
course that sister
[TS]
00:10:05
◼
►
yeah i'm spending the last 20 minutes of
[TS]
00:10:07
◼
►
turning on all the lights in the house
[TS]
00:10:08
◼
►
every single light switch in that house
[TS]
00:10:10
◼
►
lies on the mat room all the red herring
[TS]
00:10:12
◼
►
stuff like the X file tapes in the you
[TS]
00:10:15
◼
►
know living room and all this that I'd
[TS]
00:10:17
◼
►
like it starts leading you down these
[TS]
00:10:19
◼
►
paths of thinking it's going to be oh
[TS]
00:10:20
◼
►
it's gonna be this kind of story and
[TS]
00:10:22
◼
►
yeah there are so many applicable tropes
[TS]
00:10:24
◼
►
that they didn't do anything Jason
[TS]
00:10:25
◼
►
mentioned haunted house but the other
[TS]
00:10:27
◼
►
ones that i had my mind from playing
[TS]
00:10:28
◼
►
other video games with a sampler like
[TS]
00:10:30
◼
►
premises you know unreliable narrator
[TS]
00:10:32
◼
►
this suicide factor psycho killer any
[TS]
00:10:36
◼
►
number of the family members a psycho
[TS]
00:10:38
◼
►
killer body snatchers aliens like there
[TS]
00:10:40
◼
►
are so many possible during travel ago
[TS]
00:10:42
◼
►
that you played games exactly like this
[TS]
00:10:44
◼
►
that when those directions and the great
[TS]
00:10:46
◼
►
thing about this game is one that
[TS]
00:10:48
◼
►
doesn't go in those directions but to
[TS]
00:10:49
◼
►
that it has the playfulness to make
[TS]
00:10:51
◼
►
faints and almost all those directions
[TS]
00:10:52
◼
►
at various points so until it settles in
[TS]
00:10:55
◼
►
until you're totally convinced you could
[TS]
00:10:56
◼
►
be like alright but they're trying to
[TS]
00:10:58
◼
►
take me out you know and they do a
[TS]
00:10:59
◼
►
couple of fake outs like I mean I guess
[TS]
00:11:00
◼
►
yeah there's a creepy neighbor the
[TS]
00:11:03
◼
►
psycho house I got to admit that none of
[TS]
00:11:05
◼
►
that none of the sort of creepy stuff
[TS]
00:11:07
◼
►
really work for me unfortunately because
[TS]
00:11:09
◼
►
i would have loved if it had but i don't
[TS]
00:11:11
◼
►
know maybe i just played far too many of
[TS]
00:11:13
◼
►
those kinds of games but it never really
[TS]
00:11:15
◼
►
felt like it was committing in that
[TS]
00:11:16
◼
►
direction for me
[TS]
00:11:17
◼
►
well I didn't it's not supposed to be
[TS]
00:11:18
◼
►
the nothing nothing jumps out and scares
[TS]
00:11:20
◼
►
you in this game like there's no zombie
[TS]
00:11:21
◼
►
behind a door there's no you know scary
[TS]
00:11:24
◼
►
moment a cat does not race across the
[TS]
00:11:25
◼
►
floor like it that it doesn't do that
[TS]
00:11:27
◼
►
the only thing that was the closest
[TS]
00:11:28
◼
►
thing to scare factor is when you're
[TS]
00:11:30
◼
►
when you're in the first secret passage
[TS]
00:11:31
◼
►
in the light flickers out for a second
[TS]
00:11:33
◼
►
and that's that's a good moment but
[TS]
00:11:34
◼
►
other than that I it i never felt like
[TS]
00:11:37
◼
►
it was going to take a turn anywhere
[TS]
00:11:39
◼
►
other than where it did he is
[TS]
00:11:40
◼
►
re completely because I my experience
[TS]
00:11:42
◼
►
was very different i played the first
[TS]
00:11:43
◼
►
half of this on a plane and let me tell
[TS]
00:11:46
◼
►
you like if you want the full like
[TS]
00:11:47
◼
►
force-feedback experience when you're
[TS]
00:11:49
◼
►
like creeping out like a hallway and
[TS]
00:11:51
◼
►
turning the lights on and you go into a
[TS]
00:11:53
◼
►
dark room and then your entire plane
[TS]
00:11:54
◼
►
like it was like a turbulence tip you
[TS]
00:11:57
◼
►
like okay I gotta stop playing this game
[TS]
00:11:58
◼
►
thank me out
[TS]
00:11:59
◼
►
no I did I did play this game in total
[TS]
00:12:01
◼
►
darkness the new is gonna be one of
[TS]
00:12:03
◼
►
those types of games are turned off all
[TS]
00:12:04
◼
►
the lights and everything but I'm like
[TS]
00:12:05
◼
►
I'm I'm affected by creepiness in mood
[TS]
00:12:07
◼
►
and everything but mostly what got me in
[TS]
00:12:09
◼
►
this game with things where they would
[TS]
00:12:10
◼
►
in a certain point that I had realized
[TS]
00:12:12
◼
►
it's not going to go in all these
[TS]
00:12:13
◼
►
different direction right it's gonna be
[TS]
00:12:14
◼
►
straightforward but then they do things
[TS]
00:12:16
◼
►
like the like the red hair dye in the
[TS]
00:12:17
◼
►
bathtub you have got that was facing
[TS]
00:12:19
◼
►
that direction or even things like you
[TS]
00:12:21
◼
►
know the Attic with the red lights in
[TS]
00:12:23
◼
►
the Attic even at that point i'd know
[TS]
00:12:24
◼
►
it's not gonna be that kind of story but
[TS]
00:12:26
◼
►
I'm still a little weird and the most
[TS]
00:12:27
◼
►
for the flickering lights from the TV
[TS]
00:12:29
◼
►
room when you first yeah and you know
[TS]
00:12:31
◼
►
and the thing the thing that got me is
[TS]
00:12:33
◼
►
when I came home the most was at a
[TS]
00:12:35
◼
►
certain point you open up one of the
[TS]
00:12:36
◼
►
secret passages and you get know you
[TS]
00:12:38
◼
►
think you're down to the basement or
[TS]
00:12:40
◼
►
something yeah basement is really dark
[TS]
00:12:41
◼
►
and there were candles and began any
[TS]
00:12:43
◼
►
game with candles like I you know I
[TS]
00:12:44
◼
►
stopped I went back I got a candle i
[TS]
00:12:47
◼
►
went to get a match to light the candle
[TS]
00:12:48
◼
►
but there are no matches in the
[TS]
00:12:49
◼
►
matchbook and I'm like what am i doing
[TS]
00:12:51
◼
►
and you can't use anything on anything
[TS]
00:12:53
◼
►
else anyway so it was a bit of a fluid
[TS]
00:12:54
◼
►
is not making progress in the game
[TS]
00:12:56
◼
►
basically because I didn't want to go
[TS]
00:12:57
◼
►
down into the dark basement because yeah
[TS]
00:12:59
◼
►
one department is like being a gamer
[TS]
00:13:01
◼
►
it's like look they have candles this
[TS]
00:13:03
◼
►
guy i don't know whether to be impressed
[TS]
00:13:04
◼
►
with the game or just sad for you well
[TS]
00:13:06
◼
►
know because like the part of the gamers
[TS]
00:13:08
◼
►
things I'm I kept looking for you know
[TS]
00:13:10
◼
►
use X on Y like text adventure type type
[TS]
00:13:13
◼
►
stuff like that it was kind of a little
[TS]
00:13:15
◼
►
bit ly none of it was important to the
[TS]
00:13:17
◼
►
gameplay and I figured these candles are
[TS]
00:13:19
◼
►
here like it was the curse of this game
[TS]
00:13:20
◼
►
if you're a gamer so many things were
[TS]
00:13:22
◼
►
interactive that didn't need to be that
[TS]
00:13:24
◼
►
I think that is a pretty fair critique
[TS]
00:13:25
◼
►
their there's all its really again it is
[TS]
00:13:28
◼
►
it a game it's more of this kind of
[TS]
00:13:29
◼
►
mildly interactive experience there's
[TS]
00:13:31
◼
►
always things that look like maybe it
[TS]
00:13:32
◼
►
should be a puzzle but they're not right
[TS]
00:13:35
◼
►
and even other kind of the secrets that
[TS]
00:13:37
◼
►
you find the secret passageways and the
[TS]
00:13:39
◼
►
panels and things like that you can
[TS]
00:13:41
◼
►
actually find those and open those
[TS]
00:13:42
◼
►
before the game tells you to which a lot
[TS]
00:13:44
◼
►
of other games you wouldn't write like
[TS]
00:13:46
◼
►
the parent wouldn't be movable until you
[TS]
00:13:47
◼
►
found the note that says it i mean
[TS]
00:13:49
◼
►
theoretically i looked at it afterward
[TS]
00:13:51
◼
►
you could beat this game in three
[TS]
00:13:52
◼
►
minutes if you click on the right
[TS]
00:13:54
◼
►
stuff you have no idea what's going on
[TS]
00:13:55
◼
►
but but you could kind of jump around
[TS]
00:13:58
◼
►
without being directed where stuff is
[TS]
00:14:00
◼
►
I did a little bit of it out of order to
[TS]
00:14:01
◼
►
actually realize toward the end that
[TS]
00:14:03
◼
►
there was one portion that I had to go
[TS]
00:14:05
◼
►
there was a little corner of the
[TS]
00:14:07
◼
►
downstairs that I hadn't covered and so
[TS]
00:14:09
◼
►
there was something that didn't make any
[TS]
00:14:11
◼
►
sense and i realized i needed to go and
[TS]
00:14:12
◼
►
I have to go back downstairs and over
[TS]
00:14:14
◼
►
the laundry room and then there was a
[TS]
00:14:16
◼
►
whole little threat over there that
[TS]
00:14:17
◼
►
opened up a few things and then I could
[TS]
00:14:19
◼
►
finally go and resolve the rest of the
[TS]
00:14:21
◼
►
game because i just happened to do it
[TS]
00:14:23
◼
►
out of order and that was fine
[TS]
00:14:24
◼
►
sure well Steve must have done like the
[TS]
00:14:26
◼
►
completionist about the collectibles and
[TS]
00:14:27
◼
►
stuff like I'm total i've added the
[TS]
00:14:29
◼
►
gamers or two I did like hundred percent
[TS]
00:14:32
◼
►
completion exhaustive search of every
[TS]
00:14:34
◼
►
rock and cranny and i feel like i did
[TS]
00:14:35
◼
►
the game exactly the order that the
[TS]
00:14:37
◼
►
Gamemakers intended you to do because
[TS]
00:14:39
◼
►
it's the water that a gamer would do
[TS]
00:14:40
◼
►
like go in you know it maybe I took a
[TS]
00:14:43
◼
►
left instead of right first or whatever
[TS]
00:14:44
◼
►
but I swept this game from beginning to
[TS]
00:14:46
◼
►
end and i don't think i mislike a single
[TS]
00:14:48
◼
►
thing and it makes for a very coherent
[TS]
00:14:51
◼
►
story like a reasonably good short story
[TS]
00:14:54
◼
►
but you can I if if this I didn't
[TS]
00:14:56
◼
►
realize the panels would be openable I'm
[TS]
00:14:58
◼
►
gonna get you could totally break the
[TS]
00:14:59
◼
►
story which is racing up in the wrong
[TS]
00:15:00
◼
►
place at the lot of material and I think
[TS]
00:15:02
◼
►
you know you can even mix you can
[TS]
00:15:03
◼
►
experience stuff and kind of strange
[TS]
00:15:05
◼
►
order i mean the answering machine right
[TS]
00:15:07
◼
►
in the front hall has the voicemail from
[TS]
00:15:08
◼
►
Lonni on it and you don't know who you
[TS]
00:15:11
◼
►
are is yeah that's I assumed I was
[TS]
00:15:12
◼
►
intended i don't know i mean i think
[TS]
00:15:14
◼
►
it's i think it's intended to work
[TS]
00:15:16
◼
►
either way
[TS]
00:15:16
◼
►
yeah that was one of the first things i
[TS]
00:15:17
◼
►
hit was this the answering machine yeah
[TS]
00:15:19
◼
►
they know what's going to write to that
[TS]
00:15:20
◼
►
I think there is an argument about
[TS]
00:15:22
◼
►
whether or not is there in order and
[TS]
00:15:25
◼
►
there are differences that I i canna
[TS]
00:15:26
◼
►
you're not endorsed on Rails I don't
[TS]
00:15:28
◼
►
know there's a cool there's a clear
[TS]
00:15:29
◼
►
order and additionally there are
[TS]
00:15:31
◼
►
organized by date speak but you don't
[TS]
00:15:33
◼
►
experience them necessarily are they
[TS]
00:15:35
◼
►
specifically tied two locations or they
[TS]
00:15:37
◼
►
do they cross the Marzano they are they
[TS]
00:15:39
◼
►
are tied to locations i can say this
[TS]
00:15:41
◼
►
definitely because i had an inventory
[TS]
00:15:43
◼
►
items as well but you don't have to pick
[TS]
00:15:45
◼
►
up all them i had to restart after about
[TS]
00:15:47
◼
►
an hour and a half of play time because
[TS]
00:15:48
◼
►
it ate my save game for some reason and
[TS]
00:15:51
◼
►
actually initially i usually I
[TS]
00:15:52
◼
►
appreciate the fact that you have more
[TS]
00:15:54
◼
►
options open to you can try things in a
[TS]
00:15:55
◼
►
different way and the first time i
[TS]
00:15:57
◼
►
played actually went up the stairs first
[TS]
00:15:59
◼
►
because their lights on up there and I
[TS]
00:16:01
◼
►
thought well if I was walking in and I
[TS]
00:16:03
◼
►
was looking for people who are home
[TS]
00:16:04
◼
►
we're gonna go i'm gonna go where the
[TS]
00:16:06
◼
►
lights are clearly on
[TS]
00:16:07
◼
►
so I headed up the stairs and I kind of
[TS]
00:16:09
◼
►
did things a little out of order and it
[TS]
00:16:11
◼
►
was it was still pretty clear what the
[TS]
00:16:13
◼
►
narrative was that was forming there but
[TS]
00:16:15
◼
►
when i restarted it I I realize you know
[TS]
00:16:18
◼
►
it's very clear that they want this to
[TS]
00:16:19
◼
►
be done in a certain order for it to
[TS]
00:16:21
◼
►
make the right kind of sense you know
[TS]
00:16:23
◼
►
for you really appreciate the story
[TS]
00:16:24
◼
►
properly and i actually found it kind of
[TS]
00:16:26
◼
►
annoying that i was allowed to take the
[TS]
00:16:28
◼
►
the alternate route because I wanted I
[TS]
00:16:30
◼
►
this game is so clearly about telling a
[TS]
00:16:33
◼
►
story and I wanted to be told the story
[TS]
00:16:35
◼
►
the way it was supposed to be told as
[TS]
00:16:37
◼
►
opposed to getting it piecemeal it's the
[TS]
00:16:39
◼
►
locked doors and lack of information
[TS]
00:16:41
◼
►
that's trying to put your along a linear
[TS]
00:16:43
◼
►
path and so I don't for making the
[TS]
00:16:45
◼
►
panel's movable unlock doors really like
[TS]
00:16:46
◼
►
look regal or a little a little
[TS]
00:16:48
◼
►
exploration here but we don't want
[TS]
00:16:50
◼
►
people to totally break the game and if
[TS]
00:16:52
◼
►
you don't know about the panel's the
[TS]
00:16:53
◼
►
odds of you and going lighter
[TS]
00:16:55
◼
►
environments like every single panel i
[TS]
00:16:56
◼
►
mean i was picking those I was being
[TS]
00:16:57
◼
►
completionist but I was doing it mostly
[TS]
00:16:59
◼
►
with items that i thought would be
[TS]
00:17:00
◼
►
interactive and I was getting frustrated
[TS]
00:17:01
◼
►
because like every single soda can and
[TS]
00:17:03
◼
►
potato chip bags interactive and
[TS]
00:17:05
◼
►
single-handed box i looked in every side
[TS]
00:17:07
◼
►
of like a certain point you realize this
[TS]
00:17:09
◼
►
isn't resident evil I don't need to turn
[TS]
00:17:10
◼
►
every item over to make sure there's not
[TS]
00:17:11
◼
►
a lot I can be on the bottom that opens
[TS]
00:17:14
◼
►
up there reveals a key you know it but
[TS]
00:17:16
◼
►
once I broke myself those habits i still
[TS]
00:17:18
◼
►
found myself picking on Adams that new
[TS]
00:17:20
◼
►
probably wouldn't be worth it you know
[TS]
00:17:21
◼
►
right it's just it's it's a hard habit
[TS]
00:17:23
◼
►
to break but just throwing cans all of
[TS]
00:17:25
◼
►
that kind of it's kind of like it's kind
[TS]
00:17:27
◼
►
of like a journey where if you play the
[TS]
00:17:29
◼
►
game over and over again which I have
[TS]
00:17:30
◼
►
you see the parts where you can break
[TS]
00:17:31
◼
►
out of it but my first run-through of
[TS]
00:17:32
◼
►
journey I felt like I was exactly like
[TS]
00:17:34
◼
►
me and the game designers were exactly
[TS]
00:17:36
◼
►
you know in sync and everything was
[TS]
00:17:38
◼
►
happening the right time and gone home
[TS]
00:17:39
◼
►
did that a few times because i think i
[TS]
00:17:41
◼
►
followed the linear path and also the
[TS]
00:17:43
◼
►
journals which are either location or
[TS]
00:17:44
◼
►
item-based triggered sometimes like
[TS]
00:17:46
◼
►
they'd be fighting because I'd like a
[TS]
00:17:48
◼
►
tape that I was playing and then like
[TS]
00:17:49
◼
►
the journal would play with Jessica and
[TS]
00:17:51
◼
►
they would fight with each other and
[TS]
00:17:51
◼
►
that wasn't good but like others music
[TS]
00:17:54
◼
►
yeah one or two times though the the
[TS]
00:17:57
◼
►
journal start playing at just the right
[TS]
00:17:58
◼
►
moment and made a very cinematic
[TS]
00:17:59
◼
►
experience like I think was one of the
[TS]
00:18:01
◼
►
last journal things was playing as I was
[TS]
00:18:03
◼
►
racing up to the attic for like that
[TS]
00:18:05
◼
►
yeah the final anything like that right
[TS]
00:18:06
◼
►
that sometimes it really worked anybody
[TS]
00:18:08
◼
►
really worked it was great and it's
[TS]
00:18:09
◼
►
difficult to pull it off it's like you
[TS]
00:18:11
◼
►
know it's like my favorite a recall
[TS]
00:18:13
◼
►
Fincher movie the game where when
[TS]
00:18:15
◼
►
everything comes together and i'll
[TS]
00:18:17
◼
►
answer on the X in the air bag with the
[TS]
00:18:18
◼
►
revelation happening
[TS]
00:18:19
◼
►
like it's really difficult to do that in
[TS]
00:18:21
◼
►
real life and so that's what this game
[TS]
00:18:22
◼
►
makers are trying to do is trying to
[TS]
00:18:23
◼
►
give you a game where they arranged it
[TS]
00:18:26
◼
►
all for you to have some sort of
[TS]
00:18:27
◼
►
experience revelation but also make you
[TS]
00:18:29
◼
►
feel like you are free acting individual
[TS]
00:18:31
◼
►
the entire time that I think that's the
[TS]
00:18:32
◼
►
interesting thing about you have freedom
[TS]
00:18:34
◼
►
you know you you unlock one of the
[TS]
00:18:35
◼
►
journals and you start hearing your
[TS]
00:18:37
◼
►
sister talk to you and it's you stand
[TS]
00:18:38
◼
►
there and listen the whole time do you
[TS]
00:18:40
◼
►
keep continue searching the room do you
[TS]
00:18:42
◼
►
walk down the spooky whore corridor well
[TS]
00:18:44
◼
►
well she continues to talk to you about
[TS]
00:18:46
◼
►
something and you know it's not like
[TS]
00:18:48
◼
►
you're on Rails this is what you're
[TS]
00:18:49
◼
►
going to experience right
[TS]
00:18:51
◼
►
I couldn't stand the thought that I was
[TS]
00:18:52
◼
►
gonna miss it so i had to stand there
[TS]
00:18:54
◼
►
listed all things and I'm gonna go back
[TS]
00:18:56
◼
►
I mean I finish the story i went back
[TS]
00:18:58
◼
►
and saw because there's kind of three
[TS]
00:19:00
◼
►
locked areas you can get into one that
[TS]
00:19:02
◼
►
you have to advance the story and I
[TS]
00:19:03
◼
►
figured out how to get the other two
[TS]
00:19:04
◼
►
which you don't have to and could I
[TS]
00:19:06
◼
►
guess proceed push presumably you could
[TS]
00:19:08
◼
►
open the safe in the basement or the
[TS]
00:19:09
◼
►
locked file cabinet in the office
[TS]
00:19:11
◼
►
without you can complete the story
[TS]
00:19:13
◼
►
without doing that but you miss out on
[TS]
00:19:15
◼
►
kind of bits of it but you know I
[TS]
00:19:17
◼
►
checked I didn't find all the journals
[TS]
00:19:18
◼
►
and i finished the story so you know
[TS]
00:19:20
◼
►
I've got the first and I've got the end
[TS]
00:19:21
◼
►
and there's a lot of stuff in the middle
[TS]
00:19:23
◼
►
that you have to find progress but
[TS]
00:19:24
◼
►
there's clearly other stuff that you
[TS]
00:19:26
◼
►
don't have to find a progress
[TS]
00:19:27
◼
►
alright a brief cutscene inserted in
[TS]
00:19:31
◼
►
arguing podcast to talk about hostgator
[TS]
00:19:34
◼
►
our first sponsor hostgator.com you've
[TS]
00:19:36
◼
►
heard about before they've been a
[TS]
00:19:37
◼
►
sponsor on the uncomfortable before they
[TS]
00:19:39
◼
►
are a premier web hosting and domain
[TS]
00:19:41
◼
►
name provider you're looking to start a
[TS]
00:19:43
◼
►
website hostgator can help you get
[TS]
00:19:45
◼
►
started with monthly hosting plans there
[TS]
00:19:46
◼
►
are one click installs and tons of other
[TS]
00:19:48
◼
►
features that make getting your site up
[TS]
00:19:51
◼
►
and running
[TS]
00:19:52
◼
►
easy now if you're more advanced user or
[TS]
00:19:54
◼
►
business
[TS]
00:19:55
◼
►
hostgator can take care of you with
[TS]
00:19:57
◼
►
reseller plans to get VPS and dedicated
[TS]
00:20:00
◼
►
servers hostgator guarantees 99.9
[TS]
00:20:04
◼
►
percent uptime that's a lot of nines and
[TS]
00:20:08
◼
►
no matter your size or needs if your
[TS]
00:20:10
◼
►
wordpress user you're going to love the
[TS]
00:20:12
◼
►
one-click install for wordpress and the
[TS]
00:20:15
◼
►
optimized hosting platform when you host
[TS]
00:20:17
◼
►
with hostgator you get unlimited disk
[TS]
00:20:19
◼
►
space and bandwidth that's huge
[TS]
00:20:22
◼
►
they have free site builder tools that
[TS]
00:20:24
◼
►
are super easy to use and if you find
[TS]
00:20:26
◼
►
yourself needing any help they have
[TS]
00:20:28
◼
►
twenty four seven support to ensure that
[TS]
00:20:30
◼
►
everything stays running smoothly
[TS]
00:20:33
◼
►
so here's what you do head on over to
[TS]
00:20:35
◼
►
hostgator.com that's host1 8000 are like
[TS]
00:20:40
◼
►
alligator to learn more hostgator.com
[TS]
00:20:43
◼
►
and when you decide to buy don't forget
[TS]
00:20:46
◼
►
to use this very special coupon code
[TS]
00:20:49
◼
►
smell sent me 10
[TS]
00:20:51
◼
►
that's right SN e ll send me 10 s mpls
[TS]
00:20:57
◼
►
ENT me10 and what will that magical give
[TS]
00:21:02
◼
►
you thirty percent off thirty percent
[TS]
00:21:04
◼
►
off what everything thirty percent off
[TS]
00:21:07
◼
►
everything when you do the code smells
[TS]
00:21:08
◼
►
sent me 10 and thank you to
[TS]
00:21:10
◼
►
hostgator.com for sponsoring the
[TS]
00:21:13
◼
►
incomparable let's talk about the actual
[TS]
00:21:15
◼
►
story though because like the story of
[TS]
00:21:16
◼
►
this is kind of is not lost ask us just
[TS]
00:21:20
◼
►
the thing i always think of when like
[TS]
00:21:21
◼
►
every character in the story has a thing
[TS]
00:21:23
◼
►
about right like what and obviously the
[TS]
00:21:27
◼
►
central thing is the sisters deal and
[TS]
00:21:29
◼
►
you're trying to share what is this is
[TS]
00:21:30
◼
►
Lucille but every member of this family
[TS]
00:21:31
◼
►
has a problem and I don't know like I
[TS]
00:21:35
◼
►
guess that's is it realistic i don't
[TS]
00:21:36
◼
►
know i felt like if they had
[TS]
00:21:37
◼
►
concentrated more on under the sisters
[TS]
00:21:41
◼
►
story and distracted me less with items
[TS]
00:21:44
◼
►
throughout the house and let me learn
[TS]
00:21:45
◼
►
what every other person's problem is
[TS]
00:21:47
◼
►
never any other things I didn't learn
[TS]
00:21:48
◼
►
what my problem is as the heat up that I
[TS]
00:21:50
◼
►
apparently I'm happy off in your blanket
[TS]
00:21:52
◼
►
around right now you are you're kind of
[TS]
00:21:54
◼
►
a boring person actually can be compared
[TS]
00:21:57
◼
►
to everyone else of the mothers is gone
[TS]
00:21:58
◼
►
with the forestry guy and the fathers
[TS]
00:22:00
◼
►
who is like you know i'm potentially
[TS]
00:22:02
◼
►
ripping off Stephen King a decade
[TS]
00:22:03
◼
►
earlier with this 1963 book and he's got
[TS]
00:22:06
◼
►
that I was thinking picturing the file
[TS]
00:22:07
◼
►
like cigarette smoking man sending a
[TS]
00:22:09
◼
►
science-fiction stories in and trying to
[TS]
00:22:11
◼
►
get them you know and doing stereo
[TS]
00:22:12
◼
►
reviews and going crazy and the crazy
[TS]
00:22:14
◼
►
uncle like everyone's got some backstory
[TS]
00:22:16
◼
►
that itself would make a game
[TS]
00:22:17
◼
►
yeah but your backstories youryour
[TS]
00:22:19
◼
►
apparently the perfect daughter you know
[TS]
00:22:21
◼
►
I imagine Caitlyn has all sorts of
[TS]
00:22:23
◼
►
stories to tell about Europe but
[TS]
00:22:24
◼
►
unfortunately she's got to deal with her
[TS]
00:22:27
◼
►
messed-up family first
[TS]
00:22:28
◼
►
or maybe her story is about running away
[TS]
00:22:30
◼
►
from all that right yeah maybe so i
[TS]
00:22:32
◼
►
don't know I kept finding was with
[TS]
00:22:34
◼
►
trophies and first-place ribbons and I
[TS]
00:22:36
◼
►
kept thinking man Lester she's the
[TS]
00:22:37
◼
►
perfect daughter
[TS]
00:22:38
◼
►
yeah I must really made it rough on the
[TS]
00:22:40
◼
►
younger sister and
[TS]
00:22:41
◼
►
someone has a 3 bring binder fetish i
[TS]
00:22:43
◼
►
guess that's what I'm saying everyone's
[TS]
00:22:45
◼
►
people are single-handedly keeping the
[TS]
00:22:46
◼
►
Portland three-ring binder and portable
[TS]
00:22:48
◼
►
tape player industries in business
[TS]
00:22:50
◼
►
because there's binders everywhere
[TS]
00:22:53
◼
►
everywhere and they have at least 70
[TS]
00:22:55
◼
►
players mi only one who kept trying to
[TS]
00:22:57
◼
►
turn that tape over and play the other
[TS]
00:22:59
◼
►
side yeah i know i was driving me nuts
[TS]
00:23:02
◼
►
I'd like to turn things around spent i
[TS]
00:23:04
◼
►
pry spent more time in the game flipping
[TS]
00:23:05
◼
►
the cassette holder so i could see
[TS]
00:23:07
◼
►
inside inside yeah then I did anywhere
[TS]
00:23:11
◼
►
else in the game but i really enjoyed
[TS]
00:23:13
◼
►
that I enjoyed that I mean that they're
[TS]
00:23:15
◼
►
the one of the things that works about
[TS]
00:23:16
◼
►
this game for me is it is yes in the
[TS]
00:23:19
◼
►
story or the you're the daughter who's
[TS]
00:23:21
◼
►
trying to figure out what's going on but
[TS]
00:23:22
◼
►
in that on that second level your this
[TS]
00:23:25
◼
►
boy are you are walking through these
[TS]
00:23:26
◼
►
people's lives trying to or you're the
[TS]
00:23:28
◼
►
detective if you want to look at it that
[TS]
00:23:30
◼
►
way you're walking through these
[TS]
00:23:30
◼
►
people's lives trying to figure out from
[TS]
00:23:32
◼
►
all of these found items what the heck
[TS]
00:23:35
◼
►
is going on and you discovered like John
[TS]
00:23:37
◼
►
said you discovered that it's not just
[TS]
00:23:39
◼
►
this main story about about the the
[TS]
00:23:42
◼
►
younger daughter
[TS]
00:23:43
◼
►
it's also the story about the mother and
[TS]
00:23:45
◼
►
the father and and what's going on with
[TS]
00:23:47
◼
►
them in his writing career and-and and
[TS]
00:23:50
◼
►
their their marriage is approval from as
[TS]
00:23:53
◼
►
a his father
[TS]
00:23:55
◼
►
yeah oh yes yeah exactly i think it does
[TS]
00:23:57
◼
►
a very nice job at kind of making that
[TS]
00:23:59
◼
►
feeling unsettling experience right like
[TS]
00:24:01
◼
►
it first you kind of feels like you're
[TS]
00:24:03
◼
►
going through and you're like you're
[TS]
00:24:04
◼
►
trying to solve this mystery of what
[TS]
00:24:06
◼
►
happened to people and as you kind of
[TS]
00:24:07
◼
►
find out for example that you know the
[TS]
00:24:09
◼
►
the answer to where your mother and
[TS]
00:24:11
◼
►
father is you know somewhat mundane you
[TS]
00:24:13
◼
►
know they're not dead or you know or or
[TS]
00:24:16
◼
►
no but they're in couples counseling
[TS]
00:24:17
◼
►
different couples counseling but you now
[TS]
00:24:19
◼
►
feel unsettled right i mean you kind of
[TS]
00:24:22
◼
►
think that you know you're going through
[TS]
00:24:23
◼
►
other their you know their laundry and
[TS]
00:24:25
◼
►
whatnot because you're worried about
[TS]
00:24:26
◼
►
them and you try to find out their
[TS]
00:24:27
◼
►
location and you end up kind of finding
[TS]
00:24:30
◼
►
more than perhaps you were entitled to
[TS]
00:24:32
◼
►
find somebody that like that part works
[TS]
00:24:34
◼
►
with you being part of the family but as
[TS]
00:24:36
◼
►
that as the journals later say it's like
[TS]
00:24:38
◼
►
all you always know about me right Kate
[TS]
00:24:40
◼
►
little maybe the Caitlyn did but I you
[TS]
00:24:41
◼
►
know we didn't as the game player so
[TS]
00:24:43
◼
►
there's an assume familiarity like the
[TS]
00:24:46
◼
►
actual Caitlyn would know more than we
[TS]
00:24:47
◼
►
do which is bad in the beginning but
[TS]
00:24:49
◼
►
towards the end if you start to identify
[TS]
00:24:50
◼
►
with her then you're a little bit
[TS]
00:24:51
◼
►
freaked out that this is court your
[TS]
00:24:53
◼
►
family that had
[TS]
00:24:54
◼
►
these problems and maybe you didn't know
[TS]
00:24:56
◼
►
about them before so that I do like the
[TS]
00:24:57
◼
►
fact that midway through your thinking
[TS]
00:24:59
◼
►
while this whole family has gone
[TS]
00:25:00
◼
►
completely to hell yeah and if you
[TS]
00:25:04
◼
►
figure God may be that the little sister
[TS]
00:25:06
◼
►
swinging in the attic and deb with the
[TS]
00:25:08
◼
►
wife mom is out with the Ranger Rick you
[TS]
00:25:11
◼
►
know I'm the forest some dad is not as a
[TS]
00:25:13
◼
►
bunch of people you know what that is
[TS]
00:25:14
◼
►
yet the bottom of a bottle somewhere it
[TS]
00:25:16
◼
►
may be walking around in the basement
[TS]
00:25:18
◼
►
and then and then in the end it turns
[TS]
00:25:19
◼
►
out everything's kind of turned out okay
[TS]
00:25:21
◼
►
with order which is cool
[TS]
00:25:22
◼
►
it's just that it's just the horror of
[TS]
00:25:23
◼
►
everyday life Steve yeah more or less
[TS]
00:25:26
◼
►
I was dreading going up into that attic
[TS]
00:25:28
◼
►
I mean when I first walked down that
[TS]
00:25:29
◼
►
hallway and there were the red lights
[TS]
00:25:31
◼
►
that I was like nope gonna get every
[TS]
00:25:32
◼
►
other room before I there
[TS]
00:25:34
◼
►
oh I think Steve's point about the the
[TS]
00:25:36
◼
►
hair dye one that one yeah because i
[TS]
00:25:38
◼
►
just got to that point where I felt like
[TS]
00:25:39
◼
►
all right I kind of know what's going on
[TS]
00:25:40
◼
►
me you fucking looking and there's the
[TS]
00:25:42
◼
►
red stain all over the top and you're
[TS]
00:25:44
◼
►
like oh my god what happened to you and
[TS]
00:25:47
◼
►
then you see the box of hair dye and
[TS]
00:25:48
◼
►
it's like uh okay and I you know I
[TS]
00:25:51
◼
►
wasn't sure also in terms of the idea
[TS]
00:25:52
◼
►
that there are the dates have their own
[TS]
00:25:54
◼
►
little story going on with the different
[TS]
00:25:56
◼
►
parts of the family
[TS]
00:25:57
◼
►
um you know in some ways that was a
[TS]
00:25:58
◼
►
little distracting I wondered if they
[TS]
00:25:59
◼
►
were supposed to be a thing where they
[TS]
00:26:01
◼
►
kind of fit together in some way I mean
[TS]
00:26:03
◼
►
there's its kind of its they leave it it
[TS]
00:26:05
◼
►
seems like somewhat unclear what the the
[TS]
00:26:08
◼
►
father's big issues from his traumatic
[TS]
00:26:10
◼
►
childhood experience but you know does
[TS]
00:26:12
◼
►
that play into the complications and in
[TS]
00:26:14
◼
►
his relationship with your sister then
[TS]
00:26:16
◼
►
in terms of her his unwillingness to you
[TS]
00:26:18
◼
►
know basically tolerate her behavior so
[TS]
00:26:20
◼
►
i wasn't sure if there was an attempt to
[TS]
00:26:22
◼
►
kind of attach these two things together
[TS]
00:26:24
◼
►
in terms of how the stories 50 million
[TS]
00:26:25
◼
►
but the parents are not approving of the
[TS]
00:26:27
◼
►
sister-like show they're there and so I
[TS]
00:26:29
◼
►
don't know how it's not a happy ending
[TS]
00:26:31
◼
►
because the parents haven't come to
[TS]
00:26:33
◼
►
terms that she has run away and I guess
[TS]
00:26:34
◼
►
it's happy for her kind of but you as a
[TS]
00:26:36
◼
►
sister like well now my family has
[TS]
00:26:38
◼
►
exploded live in common right we should
[TS]
00:26:40
◼
►
we should say I think we did mention
[TS]
00:26:41
◼
►
that so what we did what we discover and
[TS]
00:26:43
◼
►
the main through line of this story is
[TS]
00:26:45
◼
►
is discovering that the little sister
[TS]
00:26:47
◼
►
Sam has met a friend who's a kind of a
[TS]
00:26:50
◼
►
rebel you know rebellious girl named
[TS]
00:26:56
◼
►
Lanna Loni Loni Loni who I we get to
[TS]
00:27:00
◼
►
know as as the story progresses and they
[TS]
00:27:03
◼
►
get so they get to know each other and
[TS]
00:27:05
◼
►
they fall in love and so the the so the
[TS]
00:27:08
◼
►
parents are not understanding of the
[TS]
00:27:10
◼
►
fact that their daughter is a lesbian
[TS]
00:27:11
◼
►
says she's going through a phase
[TS]
00:27:14
◼
►
Lonnie meanwhile you know it's not a
[TS]
00:27:16
◼
►
perfect character and and you know it
[TS]
00:27:18
◼
►
and then Lonnie's turns out is signing
[TS]
00:27:20
◼
►
up to join the army and is going to
[TS]
00:27:22
◼
►
leave which really upset Sam and this is
[TS]
00:27:24
◼
►
the story that's being told so you know
[TS]
00:27:26
◼
►
you that that's the I really the core
[TS]
00:27:29
◼
►
there are all these other other stories
[TS]
00:27:30
◼
►
and that's that
[TS]
00:27:31
◼
►
that story unfolds not only as a as
[TS]
00:27:34
◼
►
Caitlyn goes through through sam's room
[TS]
00:27:37
◼
►
but it also unfolds Caitlyn goes through
[TS]
00:27:40
◼
►
a series of secret passageway into like
[TS]
00:27:44
◼
►
like the servants quarters i guess it
[TS]
00:27:47
◼
►
turns out of this house which sam and
[TS]
00:27:49
◼
►
Lonnie kind of like took over as their
[TS]
00:27:51
◼
►
Clubhouse and as you discover those
[TS]
00:27:53
◼
►
secret entries you also find the secrets
[TS]
00:27:56
◼
►
of their of their relationship as as a
[TS]
00:27:59
◼
►
teenager's falling in love and making
[TS]
00:28:00
◼
►
mixtapes of bad punk bands and scenes
[TS]
00:28:04
◼
►
and publishing the readings right he's
[TS]
00:28:07
◼
►
good idea awesome scene follicles should
[TS]
00:28:11
◼
►
have been more computers in this because
[TS]
00:28:12
◼
►
like we had computers in the nineties
[TS]
00:28:14
◼
►
i'm pretty sure it's non-refundable they
[TS]
00:28:17
◼
►
weren't no one night is usually what you
[TS]
00:28:19
◼
►
pick with this yet just about an hour
[TS]
00:28:20
◼
►
before caitlyn got to the house
[TS]
00:28:22
◼
►
a robber came and stole over computers
[TS]
00:28:25
◼
►
yeah well it's apparently they took all
[TS]
00:28:26
◼
►
the VCRs you have the nintendo listen I
[TS]
00:28:29
◼
►
should attach them to go with yeah just
[TS]
00:28:32
◼
►
as soon as licensing restrictions
[TS]
00:28:33
◼
►
because they had all that all the SNES
[TS]
00:28:35
◼
►
cartridges in there but with the crazy
[TS]
00:28:36
◼
►
labels on them and everything
[TS]
00:28:38
◼
►
yeah so I want this let's talk about the
[TS]
00:28:40
◼
►
house just because i wanted to say might
[TS]
00:28:43
◼
►
one of my number one things when i went
[TS]
00:28:44
◼
►
through this game was a boy I would love
[TS]
00:28:47
◼
►
a house like this I've always dreamed
[TS]
00:28:48
◼
►
about having a house with like secret
[TS]
00:28:50
◼
►
stuff in it and this this has got all
[TS]
00:28:51
◼
►
the secret passageways their secret
[TS]
00:28:53
◼
►
passageways everywhere in this house
[TS]
00:28:55
◼
►
it's like houses secret I i know it into
[TS]
00:28:58
◼
►
the square footage for the tax assessor
[TS]
00:28:59
◼
►
like well it seems to me it seems your
[TS]
00:29:01
◼
►
house looks a lot bigger on the outside
[TS]
00:29:02
◼
►
it's like the opposite of the trusting
[TS]
00:29:04
◼
►
ducting there's just lots of big air
[TS]
00:29:06
◼
►
ducts it's not there's not nothing back
[TS]
00:29:09
◼
►
it's the cigarette one and eat artist
[TS]
00:29:11
◼
►
lane but it's it's the you know they say
[TS]
00:29:13
◼
►
that it's the it's the servants quarters
[TS]
00:29:15
◼
►
or whatever but it's just there's that
[TS]
00:29:16
◼
►
moment where i think i found it i think
[TS]
00:29:18
◼
►
i was in the closet in one of the bed in
[TS]
00:29:20
◼
►
one of the bedrooms right and there's
[TS]
00:29:21
◼
►
like things like the button up on the
[TS]
00:29:24
◼
►
ceiling of the closet and I'm like huh
[TS]
00:29:26
◼
►
what's that
[TS]
00:29:28
◼
►
boom rubber room one like whoo secret
[TS]
00:29:30
◼
►
passageway right and that was very
[TS]
00:29:33
◼
►
exciting because I i love that i want
[TS]
00:29:35
◼
►
you know I want that bookshelf that
[TS]
00:29:36
◼
►
slides away and reveals a whole room
[TS]
00:29:38
◼
►
behind it which sadly I'd I don't have
[TS]
00:29:40
◼
►
so I i was thinking this house is really
[TS]
00:29:43
◼
►
creepy and yet i'm really i'm really
[TS]
00:29:44
◼
►
loving all the secret passageway stuff
[TS]
00:29:46
◼
►
that was just on its own i love that and
[TS]
00:29:48
◼
►
oh we should mention too there's the
[TS]
00:29:50
◼
►
whole day inherit this house from the
[TS]
00:29:52
◼
►
what is an old uncle uncle Oscar and he
[TS]
00:29:55
◼
►
has a tragic story of his own to that we
[TS]
00:29:58
◼
►
learn it mostly in the in the basement
[TS]
00:30:00
◼
►
in that secret area all the way down in
[TS]
00:30:02
◼
►
the basement where there's the safe okay
[TS]
00:30:05
◼
►
let me let me ask then
[TS]
00:30:06
◼
►
is this his tragic story alone or is it
[TS]
00:30:09
◼
►
off his and the father's yeah I think
[TS]
00:30:12
◼
►
raising location IE that's what I was
[TS]
00:30:14
◼
►
trying to figure because you know that
[TS]
00:30:16
◼
►
we've got the the darkroom with the
[TS]
00:30:18
◼
►
light doesn't work that's got the toy
[TS]
00:30:20
◼
►
horse in it and right around the corner
[TS]
00:30:22
◼
►
there and the servants quarters we've
[TS]
00:30:23
◼
►
got what is the father's name terry yeah
[TS]
00:30:27
◼
►
yeah we've got his markings on the wall
[TS]
00:30:30
◼
►
of how tall he is growing each
[TS]
00:30:31
◼
►
thanksgiving and then it stops suddenly
[TS]
00:30:34
◼
►
in 1963 which coincidentally is the year
[TS]
00:30:38
◼
►
the Kennedy assassination which suggests
[TS]
00:30:40
◼
►
that maybe that's why Terry's got that
[TS]
00:30:41
◼
►
in his mind so vividly and so I'm
[TS]
00:30:44
◼
►
thinking is this a mala station story or
[TS]
00:30:47
◼
►
what I think I think you got it yep
[TS]
00:30:49
◼
►
where is the note that we're reading is
[TS]
00:30:50
◼
►
his is his transgression that the family
[TS]
00:30:53
◼
►
is so ticked off at him about something
[TS]
00:30:55
◼
►
else but yeah that's that's the feeling
[TS]
00:30:57
◼
►
I got there I was just curious whether
[TS]
00:30:58
◼
►
everybody else thinks everyone that
[TS]
00:31:00
◼
►
seems to be the heavy implication i saw
[TS]
00:31:03
◼
►
other people suggest that maybe you know
[TS]
00:31:04
◼
►
he came out to his family and night in
[TS]
00:31:06
◼
►
nineteen sixties with that doesn't then
[TS]
00:31:08
◼
►
connect is nicely into you know
[TS]
00:31:09
◼
►
everything running with I like the fact
[TS]
00:31:11
◼
►
that they didn't have to nail a nail it
[TS]
00:31:13
◼
►
down because you can that any of these
[TS]
00:31:15
◼
►
interpretations are perfectly fine like
[TS]
00:31:16
◼
►
that's not the point of the story like
[TS]
00:31:18
◼
►
we understand you know they're there are
[TS]
00:31:19
◼
►
problems here and we do we need to know
[TS]
00:31:21
◼
►
the exact details you don't really don't
[TS]
00:31:23
◼
►
really know in fact I didn't open the
[TS]
00:31:25
◼
►
lock things I mean I couldn't the couple
[TS]
00:31:27
◼
►
of them because i had trouble finding I
[TS]
00:31:29
◼
►
open sans locker I didn't open the safe
[TS]
00:31:32
◼
►
in the basement I think now and the
[TS]
00:31:33
◼
►
combination for tonight
[TS]
00:31:34
◼
►
and spend a lot of I was like all right
[TS]
00:31:35
◼
►
I can spend time working on this or I
[TS]
00:31:37
◼
►
can I like keep going through the story
[TS]
00:31:38
◼
►
so yeah used to me
[TS]
00:31:41
◼
►
yep so in the safe and the in the
[TS]
00:31:43
◼
►
basement dan there's in addition to he
[TS]
00:31:46
◼
►
has a nice collection of narcotics there
[TS]
00:31:49
◼
►
specifically morning and then a letter
[TS]
00:31:51
◼
►
to i believe his sister in which dated
[TS]
00:31:55
◼
►
years ago in which you basically you
[TS]
00:31:56
◼
►
know which is quite classic apologize
[TS]
00:31:58
◼
►
area yes yes right his transgression
[TS]
00:32:01
◼
►
without getting into the specifics of of
[TS]
00:32:05
◼
►
yeah well I mean any I think you know
[TS]
00:32:06
◼
►
there's a point to there are
[TS]
00:32:08
◼
►
interpretations and there are things
[TS]
00:32:09
◼
►
that are or are not important
[TS]
00:32:11
◼
►
necessarily to comprehending the entire
[TS]
00:32:13
◼
►
yeah but yeah it is interesting it is a
[TS]
00:32:15
◼
►
layered story which is that if you're
[TS]
00:32:17
◼
►
gonna throw that aspect it I kind of
[TS]
00:32:19
◼
►
wish it actually had some impact on the
[TS]
00:32:21
◼
►
story and I don't really see that there
[TS]
00:32:23
◼
►
was no I mean it doesn't that you can
[TS]
00:32:25
◼
►
imagine like how it makes the follow the
[TS]
00:32:26
◼
►
person that he is and how it out to his
[TS]
00:32:29
◼
►
feet his tortured life and where it came
[TS]
00:32:32
◼
►
from and how he sort of takes it out of
[TS]
00:32:33
◼
►
his daughter are not being understanding
[TS]
00:32:35
◼
►
about that you know like but it works in
[TS]
00:32:37
◼
►
a family dynamic in that you don't
[TS]
00:32:38
◼
►
always know the details of all the deep
[TS]
00:32:41
◼
►
dark things in your very own family like
[TS]
00:32:43
◼
►
that's the one place you're very likely
[TS]
00:32:44
◼
►
not to know the details right but why is
[TS]
00:32:46
◼
►
uncle bobby gone now or like what was
[TS]
00:32:48
◼
►
the deal with these two and those
[TS]
00:32:50
◼
►
secrets died with people and so I think
[TS]
00:32:52
◼
►
it's reasonable for you in 1995 to be a
[TS]
00:32:55
◼
►
look through this stuff and kind of get
[TS]
00:32:56
◼
►
a good idea of what was going on but not
[TS]
00:32:58
◼
►
to have anyone available certainly not
[TS]
00:32:59
◼
►
immediately in the time this game to
[TS]
00:33:01
◼
►
tell you what's the real deal like we
[TS]
00:33:03
◼
►
just wanted to explain to us like tell
[TS]
00:33:04
◼
►
me exactly what happened on the
[TS]
00:33:05
◼
►
omniscient narrator know if it's your
[TS]
00:33:07
◼
►
family maybe you don't know maybe you'll
[TS]
00:33:08
◼
►
never know
[TS]
00:33:09
◼
►
yep and we get I think there's there's a
[TS]
00:33:11
◼
►
lot of little hints like that right i
[TS]
00:33:12
◼
►
mean one of the other things you find in
[TS]
00:33:14
◼
►
the basement is the father's father the
[TS]
00:33:17
◼
►
father has a painting of his father the
[TS]
00:33:19
◼
►
faces torn outfits like the letter the
[TS]
00:33:21
◼
►
letter from his father which is you can
[TS]
00:33:23
◼
►
do better
[TS]
00:33:24
◼
►
you can do better it out you know he's
[TS]
00:33:25
◼
►
got his father of you know signs it
[TS]
00:33:27
◼
►
formally you know your father below PhD
[TS]
00:33:30
◼
►
and it's you know I mean we we don't
[TS]
00:33:32
◼
►
know what happens with a relationship
[TS]
00:33:34
◼
►
maybe he really likes the second book
[TS]
00:33:35
◼
►
problem yeah that's equally much better
[TS]
00:33:38
◼
►
but I mean that there was a really
[TS]
00:33:40
◼
►
really clear line between his his
[TS]
00:33:42
◼
►
father's disapproval of him and all the
[TS]
00:33:44
◼
►
stuff that he was going through and I
[TS]
00:33:45
◼
►
didn't see that there was any kind of in
[TS]
00:33:47
◼
►
vacation that that the potential mala
[TS]
00:33:49
◼
►
station was weighing heavy on him and so
[TS]
00:33:52
◼
►
I just thought that was kind of odd
[TS]
00:33:53
◼
►
well I think it was the 1963 connection
[TS]
00:33:55
◼
►
with like that was you know the whole
[TS]
00:33:57
◼
►
thing where you stick your arm and a
[TS]
00:33:58
◼
►
bucket of ice water and then memorize
[TS]
00:33:59
◼
►
numbers better like something traumatic
[TS]
00:34:01
◼
►
happens to you then like the thing that
[TS]
00:34:03
◼
►
the other thing that happened that you
[TS]
00:34:04
◼
►
list forever linked in your mind is
[TS]
00:34:05
◼
►
always obsessed with writing about JFK
[TS]
00:34:07
◼
►
for the rest of his life and you know
[TS]
00:34:08
◼
►
and they keep it vague but I mean
[TS]
00:34:09
◼
►
there's also i think the idea he then
[TS]
00:34:12
◼
►
has to move back to this house where
[TS]
00:34:14
◼
►
that may have happened and now he's
[TS]
00:34:15
◼
►
falling apart right his yes that was a
[TS]
00:34:18
◼
►
bad choice problem there's the alcohol
[TS]
00:34:20
◼
►
hidden throughout and there's all this
[TS]
00:34:21
◼
►
stuff where you know
[TS]
00:34:22
◼
►
yeah I mean maybe maybe that is kind of
[TS]
00:34:24
◼
►
the source of all this problems right
[TS]
00:34:26
◼
►
maybe if they you know if that hadn't
[TS]
00:34:27
◼
►
happened to them and they were in this
[TS]
00:34:28
◼
►
house his relationship with his daughter
[TS]
00:34:30
◼
►
may be different i can inherit the house
[TS]
00:34:31
◼
►
then just sell it they don't realize
[TS]
00:34:32
◼
►
that the movement yeah i know it's that
[TS]
00:34:34
◼
►
kind of ruined it a little bit for many
[TS]
00:34:35
◼
►
people but they have no their money
[TS]
00:34:37
◼
►
right in it and that's like that was one
[TS]
00:34:39
◼
►
of the first letters i found yeah it was
[TS]
00:34:41
◼
►
a Carol Carol Carol friends like all you
[TS]
00:34:44
◼
►
know I always wanted to mention and you
[TS]
00:34:45
◼
►
wanted a house in the woods and you got
[TS]
00:34:47
◼
►
both right
[TS]
00:34:47
◼
►
yeah I you know you could have imagined
[TS]
00:34:49
◼
►
that they felt they had to go there a
[TS]
00:34:52
◼
►
secret secret passageways got your
[TS]
00:34:54
◼
►
passage with Jason would be there in a
[TS]
00:34:55
◼
►
second email with my hair got murdered
[TS]
00:34:58
◼
►
I don't know Ian ghostly was yours have
[TS]
00:35:01
◼
►
his way there's a lot of capacities hear
[TS]
00:35:02
◼
►
ya talkin about the letters I I
[TS]
00:35:05
◼
►
appreciate the fact that you know we've
[TS]
00:35:08
◼
►
been god
[TS]
00:35:08
◼
►
well you as the the elder daughter has
[TS]
00:35:11
◼
►
been gone for a year so you've got
[TS]
00:35:12
◼
►
you've got a year's worth of time to
[TS]
00:35:14
◼
►
make up you gotta find out what happened
[TS]
00:35:16
◼
►
in the interim the fact that in order to
[TS]
00:35:19
◼
►
kind of fill in all the gaps we had
[TS]
00:35:21
◼
►
letters that were written like by the
[TS]
00:35:24
◼
►
phone phone messages that were there for
[TS]
00:35:26
◼
►
a year ago that somehow never got picked
[TS]
00:35:28
◼
►
up and thrown away I and and then it
[TS]
00:35:32
◼
►
seems like neatly as you're exploring
[TS]
00:35:33
◼
►
the house you're finding things from
[TS]
00:35:34
◼
►
later and later in the year that that
[TS]
00:35:36
◼
►
really kind of took me out of it i wish
[TS]
00:35:37
◼
►
there been another way they could have
[TS]
00:35:38
◼
►
done that
[TS]
00:35:39
◼
►
it's tough not to do that you're not
[TS]
00:35:40
◼
►
going to have it you're not gonna have
[TS]
00:35:41
◼
►
an actual years whether written history
[TS]
00:35:43
◼
►
in an actual house but the only thing I
[TS]
00:35:45
◼
►
think the way you're supposed to kind of
[TS]
00:35:47
◼
►
conceptualizing I don't think they did a
[TS]
00:35:48
◼
►
great job in it which is where that's
[TS]
00:35:50
◼
►
coming from all of the the journals that
[TS]
00:35:52
◼
►
she's kind of reading to you I think the
[TS]
00:35:53
◼
►
idea is that your kind of experiencing
[TS]
00:35:55
◼
►
them even though you you don't actually
[TS]
00:35:56
◼
►
get them all until you go up in the
[TS]
00:35:58
◼
►
Apple you read the polity and all right
[TS]
00:36:00
◼
►
that's that that's the flash-forward
[TS]
00:36:02
◼
►
thing that doesn't bother me it's just
[TS]
00:36:04
◼
►
that it's just the letters the letter
[TS]
00:36:07
◼
►
from the publisher from 1978 that just
[TS]
00:36:09
◼
►
happens to be sitting out in a box
[TS]
00:36:11
◼
►
yeah and I guess maybe someone that's
[TS]
00:36:12
◼
►
kind of a hand waving because like you
[TS]
00:36:14
◼
►
know they've moved in right and that
[TS]
00:36:15
◼
►
adds to the like right now is the house
[TS]
00:36:17
◼
►
of disaster area because it was looted
[TS]
00:36:19
◼
►
or because many years people unpack
[TS]
00:36:21
◼
►
already you know when you may say
[TS]
00:36:23
◼
►
momentous letters like a lot of letters
[TS]
00:36:25
◼
►
you find that are meaningful and you can
[TS]
00:36:26
◼
►
imagine all you want to save this the
[TS]
00:36:28
◼
►
first letters that we got a letter where
[TS]
00:36:29
◼
►
you going to do your job offer and
[TS]
00:36:31
◼
►
things like that right you could imagine
[TS]
00:36:32
◼
►
those could be they haven't been in the
[TS]
00:36:34
◼
►
house for a year they moved recently to
[TS]
00:36:37
◼
►
the house right now they've been there
[TS]
00:36:38
◼
►
for almost an entire year based on that
[TS]
00:36:40
◼
►
first packing slip from the movers I
[TS]
00:36:43
◼
►
just make any sense of it because it's
[TS]
00:36:44
◼
►
all still in boxes have you moved a lot
[TS]
00:36:46
◼
►
it takes a while to get all the boxes
[TS]
00:36:48
◼
►
out it doesn't take a year though to get
[TS]
00:36:50
◼
►
revenge on the people it's the foyer for
[TS]
00:36:53
◼
►
God's sake that's the first place where
[TS]
00:36:54
◼
►
you move the boxes out of so if guests
[TS]
00:36:56
◼
►
come to check out your new digs they
[TS]
00:36:58
◼
►
don't trip over boxy we're going to your
[TS]
00:37:00
◼
►
basement were inspecting it i'm just
[TS]
00:37:01
◼
►
saying i moved after living in the same
[TS]
00:37:03
◼
►
place for five years and there were
[TS]
00:37:05
◼
►
boxes that were not unpacked and let me
[TS]
00:37:06
◼
►
tell you nothing useful in those all I'm
[TS]
00:37:09
◼
►
saying is this game lives or dies based
[TS]
00:37:12
◼
►
on based on whether i can relate to the
[TS]
00:37:14
◼
►
character and whether i can get into
[TS]
00:37:16
◼
►
exploring the house and feeling like i'm
[TS]
00:37:18
◼
►
kailyn and when there's so much stuff
[TS]
00:37:20
◼
►
around that very clearly isn't realistic
[TS]
00:37:22
◼
►
it it took me out of it but you have to
[TS]
00:37:25
◼
►
be ready to be to give into the mood and
[TS]
00:37:26
◼
►
atmosphere like you have to go anything
[TS]
00:37:28
◼
►
I'm knowing that knowing it's going to
[TS]
00:37:29
◼
►
be that type of game and being in the
[TS]
00:37:31
◼
►
right mindset or on a plane in the dark
[TS]
00:37:33
◼
►
and just and i'm going to i'm going to
[TS]
00:37:35
◼
►
give myself to this experience and
[TS]
00:37:36
◼
►
especially if you're played a lot of
[TS]
00:37:38
◼
►
other games you have to look I can
[TS]
00:37:40
◼
►
handle this type of game and I can
[TS]
00:37:42
◼
►
accept it or it just bothers me I'll
[TS]
00:37:43
◼
►
never be able to accept it and I'm i'm a
[TS]
00:37:45
◼
►
total sucker for like slightly moody
[TS]
00:37:47
◼
►
lighting some good music and like all
[TS]
00:37:49
◼
►
right fine you got me I'm ready to go
[TS]
00:37:51
◼
►
and very little will take me out of it
[TS]
00:37:52
◼
►
except for things that break that mood
[TS]
00:37:54
◼
►
and i think they held they held the mood
[TS]
00:37:57
◼
►
they were consistent throughout the game
[TS]
00:37:58
◼
►
they didn't there wasn't a spot where I
[TS]
00:38:00
◼
►
felt like I now you have to do a you
[TS]
00:38:02
◼
►
know a puzzle looks like pipe dream to
[TS]
00:38:03
◼
►
pretend you're hacking or you know
[TS]
00:38:04
◼
►
something crazy thing like that jumping
[TS]
00:38:06
◼
►
a little it was tell you is no no
[TS]
00:38:08
◼
►
platforming right it really means is you
[TS]
00:38:10
◼
►
know it was very consistent and so like
[TS]
00:38:12
◼
►
I said that the thing
[TS]
00:38:13
◼
►
you can manipulate that you are
[TS]
00:38:14
◼
►
pointless they were there throughout the
[TS]
00:38:16
◼
►
whole game and I just had to come to
[TS]
00:38:17
◼
►
accept them but the atmosphere i felt
[TS]
00:38:20
◼
►
like held the whole time and built to a
[TS]
00:38:21
◼
►
satisfying conclusion i thought the the
[TS]
00:38:23
◼
►
ending of it walking up to the journal
[TS]
00:38:25
◼
►
and realizing that you've been hearing
[TS]
00:38:27
◼
►
during the entire game all the things
[TS]
00:38:28
◼
►
that you read later work that work for
[TS]
00:38:30
◼
►
me I like I liked it
[TS]
00:38:32
◼
►
let's let's talk about the ultimately
[TS]
00:38:35
◼
►
how everybody felt about about playing
[TS]
00:38:39
◼
►
this game I I i liked it i enjoyed the
[TS]
00:38:42
◼
►
you know couple hours I spent with it on
[TS]
00:38:44
◼
►
a Sunday morning I thought I you know it
[TS]
00:38:47
◼
►
was not one of those kind of super
[TS]
00:38:51
◼
►
frustrating puzzle kind of game
[TS]
00:38:52
◼
►
experiences it was much more like I was
[TS]
00:38:54
◼
►
walking through and discovering things
[TS]
00:38:56
◼
►
and in more or less the right order but
[TS]
00:38:58
◼
►
I i appreciated this method of
[TS]
00:39:01
◼
►
storytelling and then it was a little
[TS]
00:39:03
◼
►
bit different and yet i was i was seeing
[TS]
00:39:05
◼
►
these kind of interlocked stories and
[TS]
00:39:06
◼
►
discovering in an interesting way and I
[TS]
00:39:08
◼
►
i did like the fact that it submitted my
[TS]
00:39:10
◼
►
expectations and that I was you know in
[TS]
00:39:14
◼
►
the dark and stormy night I was really
[TS]
00:39:15
◼
►
expecting something a little more
[TS]
00:39:17
◼
►
adventurous than I actually got but i
[TS]
00:39:19
◼
►
did i did enjoy it i'm wondering you
[TS]
00:39:22
◼
►
know what you guys think in terms of
[TS]
00:39:24
◼
►
your product on on on gone home
[TS]
00:39:26
◼
►
I was a little surprised by how short it
[TS]
00:39:28
◼
►
was um I mean I guess I got to the end I
[TS]
00:39:30
◼
►
was left wanting more which is not a bad
[TS]
00:39:32
◼
►
thing there's so many other games I play
[TS]
00:39:33
◼
►
where they seemed to drag on but I was a
[TS]
00:39:36
◼
►
little surprised by how short it was but
[TS]
00:39:38
◼
►
i liked it i would recommend it
[TS]
00:39:40
◼
►
I honestly found it kind of boring and I
[TS]
00:39:45
◼
►
hate to say that because i love indie
[TS]
00:39:47
◼
►
games and I really see what they were
[TS]
00:39:48
◼
►
trying to get get out here but the the
[TS]
00:39:52
◼
►
atmosphere just never really worked for
[TS]
00:39:53
◼
►
me that the contrived stuff laying
[TS]
00:39:56
◼
►
around just took me out of that
[TS]
00:39:57
◼
►
atmosphere constantly and I thought that
[TS]
00:40:01
◼
►
the the whole love story plot line was
[TS]
00:40:03
◼
►
very sweet and very well done and that's
[TS]
00:40:05
◼
►
mostly down to really good writing for
[TS]
00:40:08
◼
►
the two girls like the the notes that
[TS]
00:40:11
◼
►
they've written back and forth really
[TS]
00:40:12
◼
►
ring true for me they felt like
[TS]
00:40:14
◼
►
teenagers in a way that fictional
[TS]
00:40:15
◼
►
characters are things you need
[TS]
00:40:17
◼
►
successfully kind of took me back to
[TS]
00:40:19
◼
►
that period where everything seemed like
[TS]
00:40:22
◼
►
it was heartbreak you know and and so I
[TS]
00:40:24
◼
►
thought that all work very well and I
[TS]
00:40:26
◼
►
thought the
[TS]
00:40:27
◼
►
whoever the voice actresses that did Sam
[TS]
00:40:29
◼
►
was terrific
[TS]
00:40:31
◼
►
yes because she had a real nice sound
[TS]
00:40:33
◼
►
and she sounded very heartfelt and and
[TS]
00:40:36
◼
►
really fit the part very well but to me
[TS]
00:40:39
◼
►
I sit down for a game and I want to play
[TS]
00:40:42
◼
►
a game you know and this this was more
[TS]
00:40:44
◼
►
or less we can debate endlessly what
[TS]
00:40:47
◼
►
constitutes a game but i think there is
[TS]
00:40:49
◼
►
a line where you know you've stopped
[TS]
00:40:52
◼
►
playing a game and you're you're
[TS]
00:40:53
◼
►
basically experiencing a Judy Blume
[TS]
00:40:55
◼
►
novel with a really convoluted page
[TS]
00:40:57
◼
►
turning mechanism know and this I think
[TS]
00:41:00
◼
►
was was over that line for me I I you
[TS]
00:41:02
◼
►
know I understand that other people
[TS]
00:41:04
◼
►
probably feel very differently about it
[TS]
00:41:05
◼
►
but didn't really work for me and I i
[TS]
00:41:08
◼
►
really enjoyed it i mean III playing ki
[TS]
00:41:11
◼
►
played in two sessions and so I had that
[TS]
00:41:12
◼
►
first instinct was session on the plane
[TS]
00:41:14
◼
►
where I played for an hour or so and at
[TS]
00:41:17
◼
►
that point was like really creeped out
[TS]
00:41:18
◼
►
and kind of put away because I was like
[TS]
00:41:19
◼
►
all right I need to put this you know
[TS]
00:41:21
◼
►
come back to this when I'm not on a
[TS]
00:41:22
◼
►
plane in the darkness over the over the
[TS]
00:41:25
◼
►
middle of the country and I played it
[TS]
00:41:27
◼
►
like an afternoon and so it was it at
[TS]
00:41:29
◼
►
that point i think it was right around
[TS]
00:41:30
◼
►
the time at which you start getting a
[TS]
00:41:32
◼
►
better idea of what kind of game it was
[TS]
00:41:33
◼
►
so the mood for me while still creepy at
[TS]
00:41:38
◼
►
times and sort of having that eerie
[TS]
00:41:39
◼
►
movie atmosphere that the job was
[TS]
00:41:41
◼
►
talking about a it it's often a little
[TS]
00:41:44
◼
►
bit both probably by being in daylight
[TS]
00:41:45
◼
►
and because i was starting to get a
[TS]
00:41:46
◼
►
clearer picture of what the story was
[TS]
00:41:48
◼
►
about and I think you know Steve's right
[TS]
00:41:50
◼
►
that this is there's a lot of this
[TS]
00:41:52
◼
►
that's more story like in terms of you
[TS]
00:41:54
◼
►
know being told a story but i don't know
[TS]
00:41:56
◼
►
i mean i still thought as a game it was
[TS]
00:41:58
◼
►
fun and interesting it was a yeah i
[TS]
00:42:01
◼
►
don't--there's there's room for a lot of
[TS]
00:42:02
◼
►
different types of games in this for me
[TS]
00:42:03
◼
►
you know well not like many of the other
[TS]
00:42:06
◼
►
games that I play I think it was still
[TS]
00:42:08
◼
►
worthwhile experience and it was an
[TS]
00:42:09
◼
►
interesting story and I enjoyed the way
[TS]
00:42:11
◼
►
that it was presented and clearly as
[TS]
00:42:14
◼
►
someone who didn't go through in like
[TS]
00:42:15
◼
►
unlock everything cream you know maybe I
[TS]
00:42:19
◼
►
didn't get the most out of it that I
[TS]
00:42:21
◼
►
could have but I still thought it was
[TS]
00:42:22
◼
►
pretty good as we're going to find that
[TS]
00:42:24
◼
►
in a moment I thought gone home was much
[TS]
00:42:27
◼
►
more successful than brothers I think
[TS]
00:42:29
◼
►
and it instantly it's I think it's of
[TS]
00:42:31
◼
►
interest to a narrow group of people
[TS]
00:42:34
◼
►
than brothers is and I think gone home
[TS]
00:42:37
◼
►
requires more empathy
[TS]
00:42:40
◼
►
charity and life experience to
[TS]
00:42:41
◼
►
appreciate like a 12 year olds not gonna
[TS]
00:42:43
◼
►
play gone home and you know get into it
[TS]
00:42:45
◼
►
or maybe they would I don't know but it
[TS]
00:42:46
◼
►
seems like not it's not as broad and in
[TS]
00:42:49
◼
►
terms of like what is a game what isn't
[TS]
00:42:50
◼
►
I i was filled that what gaming brings
[TS]
00:42:53
◼
►
to the experience is the idea that you
[TS]
00:42:57
◼
►
are making things happen not that you
[TS]
00:43:00
◼
►
like oh I can change the game in the end
[TS]
00:43:02
◼
►
of the end of my game the house blew up
[TS]
00:43:03
◼
►
or anything like that it's it's the
[TS]
00:43:06
◼
►
illusion of of control and agent this
[TS]
00:43:09
◼
►
year just the sheer fact that you're
[TS]
00:43:10
◼
►
participating you said I was
[TS]
00:43:11
◼
►
sophisticated way of paper showing a
[TS]
00:43:13
◼
►
sufficiently sophisticated technique of
[TS]
00:43:15
◼
►
page-turning brings me at least into the
[TS]
00:43:17
◼
►
story more because i feel like i am i am
[TS]
00:43:20
◼
►
participating I'm like you get the same
[TS]
00:43:21
◼
►
thing when you read a book like you an
[TS]
00:43:22
◼
►
empty empathize with the character lead
[TS]
00:43:24
◼
►
character whatever but the act of
[TS]
00:43:26
◼
►
walking around doing that stuff and
[TS]
00:43:27
◼
►
looking through things yourself as
[TS]
00:43:29
◼
►
little as it may matter to the outcome
[TS]
00:43:31
◼
►
of the game or maybe your become totally
[TS]
00:43:33
◼
►
longer else or whatever I if you don't
[TS]
00:43:36
◼
►
feel that and I didn't feel that much
[TS]
00:43:39
◼
►
during this game it makes the story more
[TS]
00:43:41
◼
►
meaningful to me than if I had simply
[TS]
00:43:43
◼
►
read those journal entries on let that's
[TS]
00:43:44
◼
►
my yardstick you put the text of this
[TS]
00:43:46
◼
►
game into a book and read it versus me
[TS]
00:43:48
◼
►
playing this game i'll pick the game any
[TS]
00:43:49
◼
►
day of the week with the exact same
[TS]
00:43:50
◼
►
words and that I feel like it's what
[TS]
00:43:52
◼
►
gaming brings to this above and beyond a
[TS]
00:43:55
◼
►
story I very much agree with what you're
[TS]
00:43:57
◼
►
saying there and when I thought exactly
[TS]
00:43:59
◼
►
the opposite i thought this could be
[TS]
00:44:01
◼
►
done better in a book with with the same
[TS]
00:44:04
◼
►
thing with the same text now well I mean
[TS]
00:44:06
◼
►
you have to have to structure in such a
[TS]
00:44:08
◼
►
way that it wasn't ridiculous I mean you
[TS]
00:44:09
◼
►
can just read the journal and and be
[TS]
00:44:11
◼
►
satisfied with that but honestly my
[TS]
00:44:13
◼
►
obviously we did in the book you flush
[TS]
00:44:15
◼
►
it out way more and it would be you
[TS]
00:44:16
◼
►
could make a good book out of this but
[TS]
00:44:17
◼
►
just given just given the amount of
[TS]
00:44:20
◼
►
texts in the stories here with maybe a
[TS]
00:44:21
◼
►
little bit of connecting stuff I feel
[TS]
00:44:23
◼
►
like walking through the house finding
[TS]
00:44:24
◼
►
things yourself doing the stuff in that
[TS]
00:44:26
◼
►
atmosphere heighten the experience my
[TS]
00:44:28
◼
►
way above just attacks and now you two
[TS]
00:44:30
◼
►
must fight to the death and I just felt
[TS]
00:44:32
◼
►
like I wasn't doing anything is the
[TS]
00:44:34
◼
►
problem is i was picking up milk cartons
[TS]
00:44:36
◼
►
and turning them over and I was
[TS]
00:44:37
◼
►
basically just killing time until I
[TS]
00:44:39
◼
►
found the next blotted a piece of paper
[TS]
00:44:41
◼
►
that was story relevant and so there
[TS]
00:44:44
◼
►
wasn't enough to suck me in and and
[TS]
00:44:46
◼
►
maybe it's just down to having spent too
[TS]
00:44:47
◼
►
much time playing haunted house games or
[TS]
00:44:50
◼
►
games where I'm exploring house and
[TS]
00:44:51
◼
►
actually manipulating items in
[TS]
00:44:53
◼
►
and really feeling like I'm part of the
[TS]
00:44:55
◼
►
story as opposed to just watching
[TS]
00:44:57
◼
►
through the eyes of the character who's
[TS]
00:44:59
◼
►
doing all this stuff but it just it just
[TS]
00:45:01
◼
►
never grabbed me but but your point your
[TS]
00:45:04
◼
►
point is absolutely right i mean if it
[TS]
00:45:05
◼
►
if if this game had pulled me in that
[TS]
00:45:08
◼
►
way then i would say absolutely this is
[TS]
00:45:10
◼
►
a far superior medium for this story
[TS]
00:45:13
◼
►
than a book but for me it just didn't
[TS]
00:45:16
◼
►
pistols at dawn no actually you leech
[TS]
00:45:19
◼
►
you just have to make a cassette
[TS]
00:45:20
◼
►
its a mix tape mixtape tapes it on okay
[TS]
00:45:24
◼
►
yeah it's gonna be alright girl stuff I
[TS]
00:45:27
◼
►
hope you're cool with that job out there
[TS]
00:45:29
◼
►
they're definitely weaknesses to the
[TS]
00:45:30
◼
►
story in the way that like you don't
[TS]
00:45:34
◼
►
want to see the strings and you do see
[TS]
00:45:36
◼
►
them a little bit too much here and I
[TS]
00:45:37
◼
►
feel for them because it is so
[TS]
00:45:38
◼
►
incredibly that's what am i bringing
[TS]
00:45:40
◼
►
journey and what makes journey so
[TS]
00:45:41
◼
►
amazing at least in the first place for
[TS]
00:45:43
◼
►
me is like you cannot see the strings
[TS]
00:45:44
◼
►
and everything seemed to work out
[TS]
00:45:45
◼
►
perfectly that's almost impossible to do
[TS]
00:45:47
◼
►
and there's a little bit too much like
[TS]
00:45:49
◼
►
if I had to change this game around i
[TS]
00:45:50
◼
►
would say I fewer things that are
[TS]
00:45:52
◼
►
pointless so you wouldn't be spending
[TS]
00:45:54
◼
►
milk cartons for no reason and like it
[TS]
00:45:56
◼
►
its I kind of know what they would have
[TS]
00:45:58
◼
►
to change to make it better but the it
[TS]
00:46:00
◼
►
when it comes down to the details like
[TS]
00:46:01
◼
►
geez this is a really really hard
[TS]
00:46:03
◼
►
problem and so it is extremely difficult
[TS]
00:46:05
◼
►
to make this type of game so that works
[TS]
00:46:07
◼
►
for everybody
[TS]
00:46:08
◼
►
I think they did enough of it here where
[TS]
00:46:09
◼
►
I'm going to give it a thumbs up in it
[TS]
00:46:10
◼
►
and totally endorse the game in it and
[TS]
00:46:12
◼
►
it worked for me but it doesn't reach
[TS]
00:46:14
◼
►
you no guarantees level for me
[TS]
00:46:15
◼
►
not even close but still recommended see
[TS]
00:46:18
◼
►
and journey worked wonderfully for me
[TS]
00:46:19
◼
►
and I think a lot of that was down to
[TS]
00:46:21
◼
►
the fact that there were actually
[TS]
00:46:22
◼
►
problems for you to solve in journey
[TS]
00:46:24
◼
►
they were difficult problems and they
[TS]
00:46:25
◼
►
were very unconventional and I think I
[TS]
00:46:30
◼
►
complained a little bit in the journey
[TS]
00:46:32
◼
►
episode about the fact that there wasn't
[TS]
00:46:34
◼
►
enough difficulty for me really to to
[TS]
00:46:36
◼
►
stretch the game out but it just the
[TS]
00:46:40
◼
►
simple fact that i had to solve some
[TS]
00:46:42
◼
►
sort of problem gave me such a an
[TS]
00:46:44
◼
►
attachment to the character it really
[TS]
00:46:46
◼
►
made me feel like I was guiding this guy
[TS]
00:46:48
◼
►
or you know it going farther i actually
[TS]
00:46:50
◼
►
am this guy is he's exploring this world
[TS]
00:46:53
◼
►
and this there just wasn't anything in
[TS]
00:46:54
◼
►
this game to do that for me but and I
[TS]
00:46:56
◼
►
think you know I think different parts
[TS]
00:46:57
◼
►
of games resonate with different people
[TS]
00:46:59
◼
►
in different ways i mean i think some
[TS]
00:47:00
◼
►
people really want that sense of kind of
[TS]
00:47:02
◼
►
challenge and achievement and overcoming
[TS]
00:47:05
◼
►
an obstacle
[TS]
00:47:06
◼
►
you know a lot of games build off of
[TS]
00:47:07
◼
►
that very heavily this game does not
[TS]
00:47:09
◼
►
almost at all right i mean they're the
[TS]
00:47:11
◼
►
puzzles in this gamer so trivial you
[TS]
00:47:13
◼
►
might as well not called and puzzles but
[TS]
00:47:15
◼
►
it's really strong in the story area
[TS]
00:47:16
◼
►
which is you know other games are not or
[TS]
00:47:18
◼
►
in other games would be more about the
[TS]
00:47:20
◼
►
visuals and you know I think this game
[TS]
00:47:21
◼
►
does pretty well but for visuals but
[TS]
00:47:23
◼
►
it's clearly more about the story I mean
[TS]
00:47:25
◼
►
these characters in gone home feel more
[TS]
00:47:28
◼
►
real to me than any other video game i
[TS]
00:47:30
◼
►
can remember that's one aspect of the
[TS]
00:47:33
◼
►
game but we haven't talked about that is
[TS]
00:47:34
◼
►
definitely true is that if you are for
[TS]
00:47:36
◼
►
example like you know a kid who is gay
[TS]
00:47:39
◼
►
who grew up closet didn't have to come
[TS]
00:47:40
◼
►
out of your parents are like if you have
[TS]
00:47:41
◼
►
actual personal residence with with this
[TS]
00:47:44
◼
►
situation and also it's a it's a story
[TS]
00:47:47
◼
►
that you don't often see in Games which
[TS]
00:47:49
◼
►
I feel like this is like that's a lot of
[TS]
00:47:50
◼
►
the extra attention this game is getting
[TS]
00:47:51
◼
►
is because it's telling a story to
[TS]
00:47:54
◼
►
people who normally don't have the
[TS]
00:47:55
◼
►
stories told because in that space
[TS]
00:47:56
◼
►
marines or detectives you know what i
[TS]
00:47:58
◼
►
mean and that like that goes a long way
[TS]
00:48:00
◼
►
towards you know giving this game a
[TS]
00:48:02
◼
►
boost in that it's a story even if
[TS]
00:48:05
◼
►
you're not even if you can't directly
[TS]
00:48:06
◼
►
emphasize with the things that are
[TS]
00:48:07
◼
►
happening because none of those things
[TS]
00:48:08
◼
►
happened in your family or whatever it's
[TS]
00:48:10
◼
►
maybe a story that you haven't played
[TS]
00:48:11
◼
►
there before I've been the grizzled
[TS]
00:48:13
◼
►
detective I've been the space marine I
[TS]
00:48:15
◼
►
haven't been the daughter coming home
[TS]
00:48:16
◼
►
from Europe you've been a little space
[TS]
00:48:18
◼
►
detective
[TS]
00:48:18
◼
►
yes I've been the gristle space that was
[TS]
00:48:20
◼
►
only once and i've been i've been linked
[TS]
00:48:22
◼
►
many many times i actually have been the
[TS]
00:48:24
◼
►
confused lesbian though
[TS]
00:48:25
◼
►
yes well it was College Steve yeah well
[TS]
00:48:28
◼
►
we did like this but it sounds young
[TS]
00:48:30
◼
►
I'm going to hit the pause button one
[TS]
00:48:32
◼
►
more time to talk to you about our
[TS]
00:48:33
◼
►
second sponsor its Zoe spelled x owi
[TS]
00:48:36
◼
►
it's a Kickstarter campaign running
[TS]
00:48:38
◼
►
until november 21st 2013 it's a wearable
[TS]
00:48:41
◼
►
badge for quick voice interactions
[TS]
00:48:43
◼
►
straight out of Star Trek The Next
[TS]
00:48:44
◼
►
Generation if Siri and Google now had a
[TS]
00:48:47
◼
►
robot baby imagine that it would be Zoe
[TS]
00:48:50
◼
►
you clip this badge anywhere it can give
[TS]
00:48:52
◼
►
easy spoken instructions like turn off
[TS]
00:48:54
◼
►
the AC give me the weather reading my
[TS]
00:48:56
◼
►
facebook messages turn on the porch
[TS]
00:48:58
◼
►
lights i want to watch some football and
[TS]
00:49:00
◼
►
plenty more
[TS]
00:49:01
◼
►
they're looking to raise $100,000 on
[TS]
00:49:04
◼
►
Kickstarter you can reserve your very
[TS]
00:49:05
◼
►
own Zoe for 149 with a device scheduled
[TS]
00:49:08
◼
►
to ship in March 2014 it connects with
[TS]
00:49:11
◼
►
your iphone Windows Phone Android phone
[TS]
00:49:13
◼
►
or blackberry by bluetooth and charges
[TS]
00:49:15
◼
►
by a microUSB so it looks great
[TS]
00:49:17
◼
►
understands you and responds quickly
[TS]
00:49:20
◼
►
the end succinctly go to Zoe dot me to
[TS]
00:49:22
◼
►
learn more and reserve yours today
[TS]
00:49:23
◼
►
that's X owi dot me to reserve your Zoe
[TS]
00:49:28
◼
►
let's uh let's move on and talk about
[TS]
00:49:30
◼
►
brothers brothers a tale of two sons
[TS]
00:49:33
◼
►
available on xbox and playstation and is
[TS]
00:49:38
◼
►
this on pc to yes it is that's where i
[TS]
00:49:40
◼
►
played it all right i played this on
[TS]
00:49:43
◼
►
xbox actually came here seen did you
[TS]
00:49:48
◼
►
have got like every console for a
[TS]
00:49:50
◼
►
non-gamer i do I first yes I got every
[TS]
00:49:53
◼
►
every last generation console now
[TS]
00:49:56
◼
►
yes I am state-of-the-art from 2008
[TS]
00:49:58
◼
►
Steve wow yeah i know it's pretty cool
[TS]
00:50:01
◼
►
i'm gonna going to watch the x-files VHS
[TS]
00:50:04
◼
►
is and make some mixtapes then but if
[TS]
00:50:06
◼
►
you're talking you know you talk down
[TS]
00:50:08
◼
►
your gamer credit but you got some men
[TS]
00:50:10
◼
►
have no credit i have the boxes with all
[TS]
00:50:12
◼
►
those games that I don't finish so that
[TS]
00:50:14
◼
►
potential energy versus kinetic legs
[TS]
00:50:17
◼
►
thank you thank you to the energy her
[TS]
00:50:20
◼
►
yeah statements teasingly energy can
[TS]
00:50:22
◼
►
never truly be destroyed by one relay
[TS]
00:50:24
◼
►
the games I just never played violin
[TS]
00:50:27
◼
►
playing games because the podcast that's
[TS]
00:50:28
◼
►
my new that's my new traveling excuse so
[TS]
00:50:30
◼
►
brothers uh from Star values about two
[TS]
00:50:33
◼
►
brothers it's about brothers it's a tale
[TS]
00:50:36
◼
►
of two sons they are the sons of their
[TS]
00:50:37
◼
►
parents the same parents dust brothers
[TS]
00:50:40
◼
►
you're not going to get me my opening
[TS]
00:50:42
◼
►
statement refers to make anyone do you
[TS]
00:50:44
◼
►
have an opening statement about this I
[TS]
00:50:45
◼
►
yeah we need to find her off the full
[TS]
00:50:47
◼
►
display board first John yeah no I don't
[TS]
00:50:50
◼
►
think you need to fire it off but like I
[TS]
00:50:51
◼
►
think this is a good way to frame this
[TS]
00:50:52
◼
►
is all I will frame it then you guys
[TS]
00:50:54
◼
►
will go nuts and i will pick up any
[TS]
00:50:55
◼
►
scraps that you got at the end because
[TS]
00:50:57
◼
►
as I said I thought gone home was more
[TS]
00:50:58
◼
►
successful this and so the creators of
[TS]
00:51:00
◼
►
this game are so very clearly fans of
[TS]
00:51:03
◼
►
one of my favorite games of all time
[TS]
00:51:05
◼
►
eco which I've been trying to get us
[TS]
00:51:07
◼
►
successful and write both my third
[TS]
00:51:10
◼
►
person adventure games with two main
[TS]
00:51:11
◼
►
characters both of them don't require a
[TS]
00:51:13
◼
►
lot of skill to play both we have an
[TS]
00:51:14
◼
►
emphasis on cooperation and both of them
[TS]
00:51:16
◼
►
emphasize the emotional impact / like
[TS]
00:51:18
◼
►
fancy gameplayer puzzles like that and
[TS]
00:51:22
◼
►
the danger of basing being heavily
[TS]
00:51:25
◼
►
inspired by one of my hair games all
[TS]
00:51:26
◼
►
times that i will constantly compare
[TS]
00:51:27
◼
►
your game to one of my favorite games of
[TS]
00:51:29
◼
►
all time
[TS]
00:51:29
◼
►
and in the case of brothers i did that
[TS]
00:51:32
◼
►
and found it lacking and I have a huge
[TS]
00:51:34
◼
►
list of reasons that's the case but
[TS]
00:51:36
◼
►
instead i will let you guys go and
[TS]
00:51:37
◼
►
anything that you don't get i will pick
[TS]
00:51:39
◼
►
up my first note just says eco plus lost
[TS]
00:51:43
◼
►
vikings minus originality minus
[TS]
00:51:45
◼
►
difficulty so I I've got a couple of
[TS]
00:51:48
◼
►
things here first i should say that the
[TS]
00:51:50
◼
►
premise here is that these brothers
[TS]
00:51:51
◼
►
their father is ill mysteriously and
[TS]
00:51:54
◼
►
they have to be set out to go across
[TS]
00:51:56
◼
►
this world find a cure and the clever
[TS]
00:52:00
◼
►
game mechanic that I think is the thing
[TS]
00:52:03
◼
►
that makes this game
[TS]
00:52:04
◼
►
the most notable and why people have
[TS]
00:52:06
◼
►
talked about it is you control both
[TS]
00:52:08
◼
►
brothers the left thumbstick controls
[TS]
00:52:11
◼
►
the big brother and the right thumbstick
[TS]
00:52:13
◼
►
controls the little brother and the left
[TS]
00:52:14
◼
►
trigger is an action for the big brother
[TS]
00:52:16
◼
►
in the left trigger right trigger is the
[TS]
00:52:18
◼
►
action for the little brother I also say
[TS]
00:52:20
◼
►
that my wife compared John compared this
[TS]
00:52:23
◼
►
to eco while we were playing it
[TS]
00:52:26
◼
►
it is very obvious because we got to the
[TS]
00:52:28
◼
►
point where there's the word that where
[TS]
00:52:30
◼
►
they meet the girl and they rescue her
[TS]
00:52:31
◼
►
from from being sacrificed or executed
[TS]
00:52:35
◼
►
or whatever it happens to be and and and
[TS]
00:52:38
◼
►
then for several you know points in the
[TS]
00:52:41
◼
►
story she comes along with the
[TS]
00:52:42
◼
►
characters and at one point my wife
[TS]
00:52:44
◼
►
exclaimed she's smart
[TS]
00:52:47
◼
►
we it's not like that stupid girl in eco
[TS]
00:52:49
◼
►
where you have to hold her hand and drag
[TS]
00:52:50
◼
►
her around terrible just terrible
[TS]
00:52:54
◼
►
I know so that there you go but uh so
[TS]
00:52:58
◼
►
anyway yes so that so I I have thoughts
[TS]
00:53:01
◼
►
about this too but I I'm gonna throw it
[TS]
00:53:02
◼
►
out to the rest of the panel by the way
[TS]
00:53:04
◼
►
we did you let your wife see the rest of
[TS]
00:53:06
◼
►
the game and how that turns out with the
[TS]
00:53:09
◼
►
oh yeah we like with journey we actually
[TS]
00:53:12
◼
►
played this game kind of handing it off
[TS]
00:53:15
◼
►
back and forth and the kids actually
[TS]
00:53:17
◼
►
watched watched us as we played this
[TS]
00:53:19
◼
►
game so all of it i'm curious because
[TS]
00:53:21
◼
►
that is a little olive it takes it take
[TS]
00:53:23
◼
►
to now the tone a little bit
[TS]
00:53:26
◼
►
it does i play the beginning with my
[TS]
00:53:28
◼
►
kids and then kept playing after they
[TS]
00:53:29
◼
►
went to sleep and I said okay I'm not
[TS]
00:53:30
◼
►
bringing the kids back into the skin on
[TS]
00:53:32
◼
►
my kids are old enough now that it has
[TS]
00:53:33
◼
►
today was my real your seven-year-old
[TS]
00:53:36
◼
►
son enjoyed it
[TS]
00:53:37
◼
►
yeah if they don't find out about
[TS]
00:53:39
◼
►
spiders cities in your house and find
[TS]
00:53:41
◼
►
out of metal ok ok but I I what's that
[TS]
00:53:43
◼
►
sound I hear coming for the distance
[TS]
00:53:44
◼
►
it's all know the spoiler horn again
[TS]
00:53:52
◼
►
alright so we should we should spoil it
[TS]
00:53:54
◼
►
all we like now
[TS]
00:53:55
◼
►
alright so i haven't played ego alright
[TS]
00:53:57
◼
►
so i'll just come out there today then
[TS]
00:53:58
◼
►
everyone playstation alright you're off
[TS]
00:54:00
◼
►
the podcast your help you're a terrorist
[TS]
00:54:02
◼
►
podcast is over and I can lend you one
[TS]
00:54:04
◼
►
I'm totally cool with that and so I
[TS]
00:54:07
◼
►
really really like yeah I'm for my
[TS]
00:54:09
◼
►
situation that I forgot earlier with the
[TS]
00:54:11
◼
►
game i've not played it by I i know of
[TS]
00:54:13
◼
►
it so I but i will say I I experienced
[TS]
00:54:16
◼
►
this game in a in a vacuum not having
[TS]
00:54:18
◼
►
compared it to that game in the game and
[TS]
00:54:20
◼
►
John Cena killing again that is good is
[TS]
00:54:22
◼
►
to remind me the most of his journey of
[TS]
00:54:24
◼
►
attorney was absolutely is very yeah
[TS]
00:54:26
◼
►
there it's not the same game it's very
[TS]
00:54:28
◼
►
much not the same an attorney but there
[TS]
00:54:30
◼
►
are many things in it that are
[TS]
00:54:30
◼
►
reminiscent of journey
[TS]
00:54:32
◼
►
although apparently now every game that
[TS]
00:54:33
◼
►
aspires to art has to have that swelling
[TS]
00:54:36
◼
►
string music that's what that's one of
[TS]
00:54:38
◼
►
the reasons why I thought of a really
[TS]
00:54:39
◼
►
want this to be journey to ferment it
[TS]
00:54:41
◼
►
was the I mean again I play a lot of
[TS]
00:54:43
◼
►
other games that are much more involved
[TS]
00:54:45
◼
►
and so something where the control
[TS]
00:54:48
◼
►
scheme is so simple as to be you know
[TS]
00:54:49
◼
►
basically transparent right like once
[TS]
00:54:52
◼
►
you know move do things right like
[TS]
00:54:54
◼
►
everything else is contained within the
[TS]
00:54:55
◼
►
world of the game which is basically the
[TS]
00:54:58
◼
►
exact same thing for journey right like
[TS]
00:54:59
◼
►
once you know how do we like you know
[TS]
00:55:00
◼
►
seeing you know jumper wouldn't move
[TS]
00:55:03
◼
►
around like that is all you need to know
[TS]
00:55:05
◼
►
about what buttons to press
[TS]
00:55:07
◼
►
everything else is really about what you
[TS]
00:55:09
◼
►
do inside the game world to have an
[TS]
00:55:11
◼
►
effect inside the game world and i
[TS]
00:55:13
◼
►
thought the mechanic was really clever
[TS]
00:55:14
◼
►
like I mean it took some time to get
[TS]
00:55:16
◼
►
used to
[TS]
00:55:17
◼
►
I was constantly like I had to make sure
[TS]
00:55:18
◼
►
that I tried to keep the big brother
[TS]
00:55:20
◼
►
growing on the laughing over the right
[TS]
00:55:22
◼
►
otherwise like ok they're running your
[TS]
00:55:24
◼
►
direction was going on and I got pretty
[TS]
00:55:26
◼
►
like I got to into like the second
[TS]
00:55:28
◼
►
section the game before dying which was
[TS]
00:55:31
◼
►
which was good because i was like maybe
[TS]
00:55:32
◼
►
you can't really die in this game and I
[TS]
00:55:34
◼
►
was like well how do youhow did you died
[TS]
00:55:36
◼
►
and they've got lots of stuff determine
[TS]
00:55:38
◼
►
if you died there they are big on the
[TS]
00:55:40
◼
►
invisible walls in this game and not
[TS]
00:55:41
◼
►
like oh yeah but there are some plates
[TS]
00:55:43
◼
►
and the mind off kind of elevate the
[TS]
00:55:45
◼
►
mind crush by rocks and there's there's
[TS]
00:55:47
◼
►
a battleground
[TS]
00:55:48
◼
►
yeah i'll actually had complaints about
[TS]
00:55:50
◼
►
the control scheme i thought i thought
[TS]
00:55:52
◼
►
it was too unwieldy with the two sticks
[TS]
00:55:54
◼
►
and you know the thing with journey is
[TS]
00:55:57
◼
►
it it it felt completely natural
[TS]
00:56:00
◼
►
almost immediately it
[TS]
00:56:01
◼
►
more it's more complicated injure and
[TS]
00:56:03
◼
►
and this game I constantly felt like I
[TS]
00:56:05
◼
►
was fighting a control scheme i never
[TS]
00:56:07
◼
►
forgot that I was holding a control
[TS]
00:56:08
◼
►
that's the whole point of getting on the
[TS]
00:56:10
◼
►
whole point of the game is you are you
[TS]
00:56:12
◼
►
have to be cooperating with yourself and
[TS]
00:56:14
◼
►
you have to coordinate the action and
[TS]
00:56:15
◼
►
there's the holder in Mexico against
[TS]
00:56:17
◼
►
you've gotta coordinate these two it
[TS]
00:56:19
◼
►
just it for something that aspires to be
[TS]
00:56:21
◼
►
the kind of experience that journey was
[TS]
00:56:23
◼
►
that's that's a big obstacle in the way
[TS]
00:56:25
◼
►
and yet the second one is the insistence
[TS]
00:56:26
◼
►
on using the analog triggers as as
[TS]
00:56:30
◼
►
digital controls that just I mean I'm
[TS]
00:56:32
◼
►
not sure what else you would use
[TS]
00:56:33
◼
►
accepted wonder why students have their
[TS]
00:56:35
◼
►
own problems but yeah if I to use the
[TS]
00:56:38
◼
►
playstation controller i wouldn't have
[TS]
00:56:39
◼
►
this problem but with the xbox this
[TS]
00:56:41
◼
►
triggers they'll kill you every time ya
[TS]
00:56:43
◼
►
know our climbing with yeah you have to
[TS]
00:56:45
◼
►
do a lot of like catch release catch
[TS]
00:56:47
◼
►
release and I could be annoying if you
[TS]
00:56:48
◼
►
have to do against Ryland about me there
[TS]
00:56:50
◼
►
but then again I do a lot of games that
[TS]
00:56:51
◼
►
you like hold us down for the
[TS]
00:56:53
◼
►
seven-year-old son had to take a lot of
[TS]
00:56:54
◼
►
breaks yeah but i like that i mean the
[TS]
00:56:59
◼
►
whole that was what made this game
[TS]
00:57:01
◼
►
interesting to me from a gameplay
[TS]
00:57:02
◼
►
standpoint was the fact that it was you
[TS]
00:57:05
◼
►
know that was the the puzzle the puzzle
[TS]
00:57:08
◼
►
was to do these different actions with
[TS]
00:57:11
◼
►
the different characters and they had
[TS]
00:57:13
◼
►
different interaction and they and
[TS]
00:57:15
◼
►
different capabilities and and it
[TS]
00:57:18
◼
►
manifested in a bunch of different ways
[TS]
00:57:19
◼
►
he's gotta hop up here and then he can
[TS]
00:57:21
◼
►
put down the rope and then the other guy
[TS]
00:57:22
◼
►
can climb up or they some of them have
[TS]
00:57:24
◼
►
to work together some of them may have
[TS]
00:57:25
◼
►
to work in opposition
[TS]
00:57:27
◼
►
there's the one where there's the dog
[TS]
00:57:28
◼
►
that's running around ya gotta you gotta
[TS]
00:57:31
◼
►
one has to distract the dog while the
[TS]
00:57:33
◼
►
other one runs and then the other has to
[TS]
00:57:34
◼
►
do it may have to move back and forth
[TS]
00:57:36
◼
►
and I really like that it wasn't it
[TS]
00:57:38
◼
►
wasn't easy and I like that I could do
[TS]
00:57:41
◼
►
it not I could figure it out but it
[TS]
00:57:43
◼
►
wasn't like I was just on Rails I was
[TS]
00:57:45
◼
►
just walking through to the next thing
[TS]
00:57:47
◼
►
that I had to think about right what the
[TS]
00:57:49
◼
►
right but but it never did did you ever
[TS]
00:57:51
◼
►
have to like think about it think about
[TS]
00:57:53
◼
►
it that's was gonna compare yeah you go
[TS]
00:57:54
◼
►
is because like eco has puzzles that you
[TS]
00:57:56
◼
►
have to think about where is this game I
[TS]
00:57:58
◼
►
always knew immediately what they wanted
[TS]
00:58:00
◼
►
me to do and it was fairly easy to do
[TS]
00:58:02
◼
►
that's what I'm saying there was a low
[TS]
00:58:03
◼
►
skill Barry there's more but more
[TS]
00:58:04
◼
►
coordination is required definitely like
[TS]
00:58:06
◼
►
oh you're not just moving one guy around
[TS]
00:58:08
◼
►
so that's why would say for non-gamers
[TS]
00:58:10
◼
►
is probably high barrier but in terms of
[TS]
00:58:11
◼
►
like boy I'm stuck in this puzzle can't
[TS]
00:58:13
◼
►
figure out what to do that
[TS]
00:58:14
◼
►
is much more likely to happen in the
[TS]
00:58:16
◼
►
game like ego then then this one I felt
[TS]
00:58:18
◼
►
like this in every situation I knew what
[TS]
00:58:20
◼
►
they wanted me to do and executed it
[TS]
00:58:21
◼
►
more or less on the first round I said
[TS]
00:58:23
◼
►
I'd never die didn't think you could die
[TS]
00:58:25
◼
►
oh thats see but there were you know I
[TS]
00:58:26
◼
►
think there were times for me when I was
[TS]
00:58:28
◼
►
like well i tried something that I
[TS]
00:58:29
◼
►
realized like okay that's not the
[TS]
00:58:31
◼
►
approach they want me to take but i
[TS]
00:58:32
◼
►
thought was just like so the very early
[TS]
00:58:34
◼
►
on there's a part where you have the
[TS]
00:58:35
◼
►
drawbridge in the treadmill and you have
[TS]
00:58:36
◼
►
to light so you can you realize oh one
[TS]
00:58:38
◼
►
of the brothers can get the treadmill
[TS]
00:58:39
◼
►
and lower it and the other guy could go
[TS]
00:58:41
◼
►
across and how to get both of them
[TS]
00:58:42
◼
►
across so i tried for a while I start
[TS]
00:58:44
◼
►
piling sheep hit escape before heavy
[TS]
00:58:46
◼
►
enough to keep the comforts down which
[TS]
00:58:48
◼
►
incidentally is hilarious because
[TS]
00:58:49
◼
►
they're now yeah I did that to you
[TS]
00:58:51
◼
►
because it's just because it's fun yeah
[TS]
00:58:53
◼
►
I know I spent some time playing but i
[TS]
00:58:55
◼
►
did that because I thought it was a
[TS]
00:58:56
◼
►
valid solution and finally realize i'm
[TS]
00:58:58
◼
►
going to put the ship and refine my son
[TS]
00:59:00
◼
►
greatly enjoyed dropping them into the
[TS]
00:59:01
◼
►
wall yesterday really from the wonderful
[TS]
00:59:03
◼
►
i love that because then they come
[TS]
00:59:04
◼
►
another one this like lively comes out
[TS]
00:59:06
◼
►
of the little farmhouse is he like your
[TS]
00:59:08
◼
►
shit that comes out of the shed
[TS]
00:59:10
◼
►
yeah they should have they should have a
[TS]
00:59:11
◼
►
a spin-off game just with the Sheep
[TS]
00:59:13
◼
►
Michael yeah I like I do like all the
[TS]
00:59:16
◼
►
animals in this game but I don't know it
[TS]
00:59:19
◼
►
was for me there were things i'm not
[TS]
00:59:22
◼
►
saying required like a super long time
[TS]
00:59:24
◼
►
and they're definitely puzzles and games
[TS]
00:59:25
◼
►
that have our way harder than this but
[TS]
00:59:26
◼
►
it was that nice balance of being
[TS]
00:59:28
◼
►
something that was not so hard you're
[TS]
00:59:30
◼
►
like banging your head against the wall
[TS]
00:59:31
◼
►
trying to figure out what was not so
[TS]
00:59:33
◼
►
easy that you're just like I'm walking
[TS]
00:59:35
◼
►
through it
[TS]
00:59:35
◼
►
I thought I I thought I hit that sweet
[TS]
00:59:37
◼
►
spot really nicely I mean I feel like
[TS]
00:59:38
◼
►
their other games that a lot more
[TS]
00:59:39
◼
►
challenging and even games I like where
[TS]
00:59:42
◼
►
I hid the point of frustration that I
[TS]
00:59:44
◼
►
stopped right and hopefully i go back
[TS]
00:59:46
◼
►
the next day or you know later that week
[TS]
00:59:48
◼
►
there's some games were frustrated
[TS]
00:59:49
◼
►
enough it's like i'm done with that game
[TS]
00:59:51
◼
►
for a long time if not forever
[TS]
00:59:53
◼
►
yeah and this never had that problem
[TS]
00:59:54
◼
►
i'll admit it's pretty you know the
[TS]
00:59:56
◼
►
challenges are pretty simple pretty soft
[TS]
00:59:58
◼
►
but I felt like that they were they were
[TS]
00:59:58
◼
►
but I felt like that they were they were
[TS]
01:00:00
◼
►
that really nice sweet spot where you
[TS]
01:00:01
◼
►
kept moving forward right you felt like
[TS]
01:00:02
◼
►
you could figure this out and keep going
[TS]
01:00:04
◼
►
and I never felt like at this game i'm
[TS]
01:00:07
◼
►
not playing anymore right you know this
[TS]
01:00:08
◼
►
is stupid i can't figure out what I'm
[TS]
01:00:10
◼
►
supposed to do just clever enough for
[TS]
01:00:11
◼
►
like oh yes i got it to hold my interest
[TS]
01:00:13
◼
►
in keeping I don't think there are any
[TS]
01:00:15
◼
►
challenging puzzles in this game of the
[TS]
01:00:17
◼
►
control scheme is a little bit
[TS]
01:00:19
◼
►
challenging but they're challenging
[TS]
01:00:20
◼
►
puzzles and this is not to say that I
[TS]
01:00:21
◼
►
think challenge is essential for a good
[TS]
01:00:23
◼
►
game because journey has like zero
[TS]
01:00:24
◼
►
challenge it's like one of my favorite
[TS]
01:00:26
◼
►
games of all time so you don't need
[TS]
01:00:27
◼
►
challenge to make a google at least he
[TS]
01:00:29
◼
►
has more challenge than this by a large
[TS]
01:00:31
◼
►
well I mean I don't anyway though the
[TS]
01:00:33
◼
►
whole point is I don't think you need
[TS]
01:00:34
◼
►
challenge make a good game but here's
[TS]
01:00:36
◼
►
what you do need you need you need a lot
[TS]
01:00:39
◼
►
so you need something else to overcome
[TS]
01:00:41
◼
►
any kind of gameplay that is as brutally
[TS]
01:00:43
◼
►
Leonard linear as brothers is like you
[TS]
01:00:45
◼
►
need like journey level of awesomeness
[TS]
01:00:46
◼
►
to make you forget that you're being led
[TS]
01:00:48
◼
►
down a single long car door with
[TS]
01:00:49
◼
►
invisible walls also yes as a music
[TS]
01:00:51
◼
►
atmosphere you need like emotions you
[TS]
01:00:53
◼
►
need some intellectual engagement need
[TS]
01:00:55
◼
►
something right and eco is less linear
[TS]
01:00:58
◼
►
then brothers our journey because you
[TS]
01:00:59
◼
►
can kind of wander all over and do all
[TS]
01:01:00
◼
►
this stuff but it really is kind of
[TS]
01:01:02
◼
►
linear a bit but there's more Challenge
[TS]
01:01:04
◼
►
mentally to the puzzles and the
[TS]
01:01:06
◼
►
free-roaming nature like let's fix you
[TS]
01:01:07
◼
►
out into making you think that you're
[TS]
01:01:09
◼
►
not you're not being like that i mean
[TS]
01:01:10
◼
►
i-i don't I mean I played eco I don't I
[TS]
01:01:13
◼
►
mean to me they're different games I
[TS]
01:01:14
◼
►
don't I mean the scope of them is
[TS]
01:01:17
◼
►
completely different ego is a much
[TS]
01:01:18
◼
►
larger cargo but the whole thing makes
[TS]
01:01:20
◼
►
you feel like you're not into Carter
[TS]
01:01:21
◼
►
brothers were just killing me with the
[TS]
01:01:23
◼
►
linearity because it was at one point I
[TS]
01:01:24
◼
►
climbed up a wall for the for the 10,000
[TS]
01:01:27
◼
►
time and once again that I know how to
[TS]
01:01:28
◼
►
climb also to people's thank you don't
[TS]
01:01:30
◼
►
need the same challenge million times
[TS]
01:01:31
◼
►
and I realized it was like a baby
[TS]
01:01:33
◼
►
penguin rescuing side mission that I had
[TS]
01:01:35
◼
►
missed somehow I got gonna go back down
[TS]
01:01:37
◼
►
the wall and do that and it wouldn't let
[TS]
01:01:38
◼
►
me go back down the wall to do it you
[TS]
01:01:39
◼
►
can still see the side mission that I
[TS]
01:01:41
◼
►
had failed to do like not only with
[TS]
01:01:42
◼
►
linear it was like slamming doors behind
[TS]
01:01:44
◼
►
me as i went down this invisible wall
[TS]
01:01:46
◼
►
Carter and if you're not going to have
[TS]
01:01:48
◼
►
challenging puzzles and you're gonna
[TS]
01:01:50
◼
►
have linear gameplay like you can't you
[TS]
01:01:52
◼
►
need to pick something else there like a
[TS]
01:01:54
◼
►
bit journey has zero challenge it's
[TS]
01:01:56
◼
►
incredibly linear and at no point did I
[TS]
01:01:58
◼
►
ever get that feeling of like I'm
[TS]
01:02:00
◼
►
Brailled in I I think you're mistaken
[TS]
01:02:01
◼
►
journey has challenged to it challenges
[TS]
01:02:04
◼
►
not the big thing it but journey
[TS]
01:02:05
◼
►
certainly challenging their stuff where
[TS]
01:02:07
◼
►
you feel threatened in journey you have
[TS]
01:02:08
◼
►
to overcome obstacles i think all games
[TS]
01:02:10
◼
►
have an element
[TS]
01:02:11
◼
►
Challenge otherwise you'd be completely
[TS]
01:02:12
◼
►
bored yeah I guess you do feel you do
[TS]
01:02:14
◼
►
feel a sense of threat but like
[TS]
01:02:15
◼
►
inherently general use
[TS]
01:02:17
◼
►
you literally can't die though I mean
[TS]
01:02:18
◼
►
now you know he's not the only offset
[TS]
01:02:21
◼
►
back yet not all but that's another
[TS]
01:02:22
◼
►
thing about journey as you you never
[TS]
01:02:24
◼
►
really thought that you couldn't die in
[TS]
01:02:26
◼
►
that game i remembered that the flying a
[TS]
01:02:29
◼
►
dragon creature whatever taking me out
[TS]
01:02:31
◼
►
and thinking oh that finally has decided
[TS]
01:02:33
◼
►
to kill me and that's in fact that's the
[TS]
01:02:35
◼
►
ridiculous thing about games that death
[TS]
01:02:37
◼
►
is overused as the single punishment
[TS]
01:02:39
◼
►
there's lots of ways you can get
[TS]
01:02:40
◼
►
punished you can get things taken away
[TS]
01:02:41
◼
►
and get pushback video is your scholarly
[TS]
01:02:43
◼
►
get you know yet our death is a cop-out
[TS]
01:02:46
◼
►
right i mean that's like you know that
[TS]
01:02:48
◼
►
will because it's the one thing that
[TS]
01:02:49
◼
►
breaks the narrative it doesn't mean
[TS]
01:02:50
◼
►
that you write on the pit but guess what
[TS]
01:02:52
◼
►
i want that here right enter a couple
[TS]
01:02:54
◼
►
games where they do funny things with
[TS]
01:02:56
◼
►
time travel or no the prince of persia
[TS]
01:02:57
◼
►
games are actually noteworthy because
[TS]
01:02:59
◼
►
it's like being narrated you follow the
[TS]
01:03:00
◼
►
pit and the narrator says that's not
[TS]
01:03:02
◼
►
what happened and you jump back but yeah
[TS]
01:03:04
◼
►
but no death is overused as the like
[TS]
01:03:06
◼
►
this is how you fall back and that's I
[TS]
01:03:08
◼
►
mean I think during is a classic example
[TS]
01:03:10
◼
►
you can have challenged without death
[TS]
01:03:12
◼
►
sure you can and that and that happens
[TS]
01:03:14
◼
►
in other games i'm a big fan of you know
[TS]
01:03:15
◼
►
graphic adventure games and things like
[TS]
01:03:16
◼
►
that were there is challenging their
[TS]
01:03:18
◼
►
obstacles but you don't die you're even
[TS]
01:03:21
◼
►
you know something really great games
[TS]
01:03:22
◼
►
for you can't get into an irrevocable
[TS]
01:03:23
◼
►
situation right now that's what I was
[TS]
01:03:25
◼
►
thinking was getting stuck like that you
[TS]
01:03:26
◼
►
think you talking about for we like I
[TS]
01:03:28
◼
►
don't know what to do next in this game
[TS]
01:03:29
◼
►
and I'm frustrated you know like that's
[TS]
01:03:31
◼
►
what I talked about like in terms of
[TS]
01:03:32
◼
►
challenge like where you're where you
[TS]
01:03:33
◼
►
have to put the controller down and say
[TS]
01:03:34
◼
►
I forget it i'm going to come back this
[TS]
01:03:36
◼
►
because you're frustrated because of a
[TS]
01:03:37
◼
►
mechanic or because you have no idea
[TS]
01:03:39
◼
►
what to do and that never happens in
[TS]
01:03:41
◼
►
journey which is a great thing about it
[TS]
01:03:42
◼
►
is you never you never will get stuck
[TS]
01:03:44
◼
►
unless you really don't have the
[TS]
01:03:45
◼
►
coordination just move the guy along and
[TS]
01:03:47
◼
►
it doesn't happen in this game either
[TS]
01:03:48
◼
►
but this game is lacking all the stuff
[TS]
01:03:51
◼
►
that journey has to make it so that
[TS]
01:03:52
◼
►
you're willing to walk down a big long
[TS]
01:03:53
◼
►
corridor with invisible walls and not
[TS]
01:03:55
◼
►
feel like you're so yeah I don't know
[TS]
01:03:57
◼
►
that I agree with that either because i
[TS]
01:03:59
◼
►
don't like the thing that the for me
[TS]
01:04:00
◼
►
made this game was the relationship
[TS]
01:04:02
◼
►
between the brothers
[TS]
01:04:03
◼
►
I mean and again really touching and
[TS]
01:04:05
◼
►
it's not it's not like on homework like
[TS]
01:04:07
◼
►
all right we're going to tell you
[TS]
01:04:08
◼
►
everything about this you know the all
[TS]
01:04:10
◼
►
the details right vector the language
[TS]
01:04:11
◼
►
that they speak is basically impossible
[TS]
01:04:13
◼
►
to understand right you can kind of pick
[TS]
01:04:15
◼
►
up stuff from context but you're never
[TS]
01:04:17
◼
►
gonna understand the full import of what
[TS]
01:04:18
◼
►
I also i mean the only thing I knew
[TS]
01:04:20
◼
►
going into this game was
[TS]
01:04:21
◼
►
have been compared to journey and at
[TS]
01:04:22
◼
►
first I was kind of skeptical as like
[TS]
01:04:24
◼
►
this is not the scale and scope of
[TS]
01:04:25
◼
►
journey i really like journey but i
[TS]
01:04:27
◼
►
think this game had a really great slow
[TS]
01:04:28
◼
►
build i mean i really liked the way you
[TS]
01:04:30
◼
►
saw the relationship between the between
[TS]
01:04:32
◼
►
the brothers you know the stuff about
[TS]
01:04:33
◼
►
their two different parents even as the
[TS]
01:04:35
◼
►
way it expanded from you know your first
[TS]
01:04:37
◼
►
kind of puzzles are like there's a jerk
[TS]
01:04:39
◼
►
with a stick who won't let you get past
[TS]
01:04:41
◼
►
a you know a bridge and you have to go
[TS]
01:04:42
◼
►
around two later you know your kind of
[TS]
01:04:45
◼
►
your running across this field and their
[TS]
01:04:46
◼
►
dogs chasing you to then there are these
[TS]
01:04:48
◼
►
things they're like actually kind of
[TS]
01:04:49
◼
►
foreign and hostile and creepy and weird
[TS]
01:04:51
◼
►
and otherworldly and it's like it does
[TS]
01:04:53
◼
►
actually fire one of the brothers in a
[TS]
01:04:54
◼
►
in a catapult that one yeah you know is
[TS]
01:04:56
◼
►
this actually happening or you know is
[TS]
01:04:58
◼
►
this real or is this the the imagination
[TS]
01:05:00
◼
►
of the younger brother has become the
[TS]
01:05:02
◼
►
way that is commanded to me was was
[TS]
01:05:04
◼
►
amazing i mean when the first our first
[TS]
01:05:06
◼
►
maybe half hours like man people
[TS]
01:05:08
◼
►
comparing this journey there you know I
[TS]
01:05:10
◼
►
don't know I'm not with them but then at
[TS]
01:05:11
◼
►
the end of music swells and suddenly
[TS]
01:05:13
◼
►
it's snowy and I'm like oh yeah okay and
[TS]
01:05:16
◼
►
really are trying to be any now really
[TS]
01:05:18
◼
►
talked about the end yet but you know
[TS]
01:05:20
◼
►
you get to the end and one of the
[TS]
01:05:22
◼
►
brothers dies and it's like well as the
[TS]
01:05:24
◼
►
game to be over now how you know
[TS]
01:05:26
◼
►
basically that last I don't 20-25
[TS]
01:05:28
◼
►
minutes where you're playing as little
[TS]
01:05:30
◼
►
surviving brother i kept being how much
[TS]
01:05:32
◼
►
longer can this game be because this
[TS]
01:05:34
◼
►
feels weird and wrong and like that
[TS]
01:05:35
◼
►
sounds like somebody's having another
[TS]
01:05:37
◼
►
game that I played before but that's the
[TS]
01:05:39
◼
►
one to one truly moving thing in the
[TS]
01:05:41
◼
►
story for me for me that the the the
[TS]
01:05:44
◼
►
brothers in their relationship was all
[TS]
01:05:45
◼
►
just so generic they didn't do much for
[TS]
01:05:48
◼
►
the older brothers the serious one and a
[TS]
01:05:49
◼
►
little one of those buckets of water on
[TS]
01:05:51
◼
►
sleeping people okay I get that and then
[TS]
01:05:54
◼
►
at the end when the younger brother is
[TS]
01:05:57
◼
►
on his own and the thing that you have
[TS]
01:05:58
◼
►
to do in order to push him forward and
[TS]
01:06:01
◼
►
and and you know for its kind of forget
[TS]
01:06:03
◼
►
his fear of of water and jump up the
[TS]
01:06:06
◼
►
cliff that he doesn't think he's talking
[TS]
01:06:08
◼
►
to get up to is to use the other
[TS]
01:06:09
◼
►
brothers button
[TS]
01:06:10
◼
►
yes that was little I can one very cool
[TS]
01:06:13
◼
►
moving thing I thought is that really
[TS]
01:06:16
◼
►
worked well in the story which only
[TS]
01:06:17
◼
►
works after training you write three
[TS]
01:06:20
◼
►
actually and and3 that was brilliant and
[TS]
01:06:22
◼
►
today even thinking about now I get
[TS]
01:06:23
◼
►
chills i may have played too many games
[TS]
01:06:25
◼
►
to have telegraphed that but I give them
[TS]
01:06:27
◼
►
props hiring i don't know i don't like a
[TS]
01:06:29
◼
►
lot of games you know how you did I ice
[TS]
01:06:32
◼
►
kinda saw that come every like maybe I
[TS]
01:06:34
◼
►
sound like I'm
[TS]
01:06:34
◼
►
already here and I'm not saying I didn't
[TS]
01:06:36
◼
►
like this game because like that's I
[TS]
01:06:37
◼
►
don't want people to know I didn't like
[TS]
01:06:38
◼
►
that like you should totally buy this
[TS]
01:06:39
◼
►
and play this game like it's a great
[TS]
01:06:41
◼
►
game to my players just the only reason
[TS]
01:06:43
◼
►
I have all these huge list of negatives
[TS]
01:06:44
◼
►
that we really good for you it's because
[TS]
01:06:46
◼
►
that because i'm comparing at the eco
[TS]
01:06:48
◼
►
and you should also kinda yeah you
[TS]
01:06:50
◼
►
should also play journey you should also
[TS]
01:06:51
◼
►
play you know shadows of the Colossus
[TS]
01:06:53
◼
►
these are all games you should play but
[TS]
01:06:54
◼
►
brothers is a great game
[TS]
01:06:55
◼
►
I mean you mentioned eco and getting to
[TS]
01:06:58
◼
►
that moment where you where you get in
[TS]
01:07:00
◼
►
some games we get frustrated and I gotta
[TS]
01:07:02
◼
►
come back later i gotta put it down one
[TS]
01:07:04
◼
►
of the things that I appreciate about
[TS]
01:07:04
◼
►
this game and that is is that I never
[TS]
01:07:08
◼
►
got to that point I had to sometimes sit
[TS]
01:07:10
◼
►
there and think okay where do i want to
[TS]
01:07:12
◼
►
go here but it didn't take too long and
[TS]
01:07:14
◼
►
I'd I got to be honest I don't like it
[TS]
01:07:17
◼
►
if a game makes me so frustrated that i
[TS]
01:07:20
◼
►
have to turn it off and come back
[TS]
01:07:21
◼
►
another day a bunch of times so now I
[TS]
01:07:23
◼
►
nobody likes it nobody likes and it's a
[TS]
01:07:25
◼
►
balance of like when does that happen to
[TS]
01:07:26
◼
►
you you know I mean like it if some game
[TS]
01:07:29
◼
►
some people are that frustrated by
[TS]
01:07:31
◼
►
journey and that games are a game is no
[TS]
01:07:33
◼
►
good for them so everything has to be
[TS]
01:07:34
◼
►
targeted a certain level of
[TS]
01:07:35
◼
►
understanding it from from my experience
[TS]
01:07:37
◼
►
this game had no challenge that's not
[TS]
01:07:39
◼
►
and I said it's not a bad thing journey
[TS]
01:07:40
◼
►
had zero challenge for me as well in
[TS]
01:07:42
◼
►
terms of like not understanding what to
[TS]
01:07:43
◼
►
do I always understood what to do and I
[TS]
01:07:45
◼
►
could execute it reasonably well and
[TS]
01:07:46
◼
►
that's fine you can still have a great
[TS]
01:07:48
◼
►
game like that but you need other things
[TS]
01:07:50
◼
►
to offset it at least for me well
[TS]
01:07:51
◼
►
there's different elements of challenge
[TS]
01:07:52
◼
►
to right there's the the mental
[TS]
01:07:54
◼
►
challenge of trying to figure out what's
[TS]
01:07:55
◼
►
the how do I solve this puzzle or where
[TS]
01:07:57
◼
►
I go next what do I do and there's games
[TS]
01:07:59
◼
►
that have like I got frustrated with
[TS]
01:08:00
◼
►
game earlier this week that was playing
[TS]
01:08:01
◼
►
because it was too much of a like there
[TS]
01:08:03
◼
►
was a reaction challenge where it's like
[TS]
01:08:04
◼
►
all right I'm just not fast enough and
[TS]
01:08:06
◼
►
we're aiming well enough to to defeat
[TS]
01:08:09
◼
►
this boss it's like and that I just got
[TS]
01:08:10
◼
►
so frustrated quicktime event
[TS]
01:08:12
◼
►
yeah like oh my god but you had 26 times
[TS]
01:08:14
◼
►
and it keeps resetting me back and I
[TS]
01:08:15
◼
►
have to go through this part that I have
[TS]
01:08:17
◼
►
gotten good at but I got stuck at the
[TS]
01:08:18
◼
►
second part it's just like that to me is
[TS]
01:08:20
◼
►
just so annoying that i'm going to put
[TS]
01:08:22
◼
►
that game down but like there are a
[TS]
01:08:24
◼
►
couple things with brothers work out
[TS]
01:08:25
◼
►
like I mean that i did spend a long time
[TS]
01:08:27
◼
►
on the one puzzle the first time that
[TS]
01:08:29
◼
►
you you tied a rope to each other and
[TS]
01:08:31
◼
►
you do the swinging puzzle like that
[TS]
01:08:33
◼
►
took me a little bit of time like to
[TS]
01:08:35
◼
►
just figure out like all right I got up
[TS]
01:08:36
◼
►
here with the Rope okay how do I get out
[TS]
01:08:37
◼
►
there and once I did figure out like
[TS]
01:08:39
◼
►
okay all right you know i I've mastered
[TS]
01:08:40
◼
►
that but like it is interesting how you
[TS]
01:08:43
◼
►
know there are moments that are
[TS]
01:08:44
◼
►
challenging without necessarily being
[TS]
01:08:46
◼
►
like it's not sure really challenged in
[TS]
01:08:48
◼
►
even their kind of challenges you can
[TS]
01:08:49
◼
►
kind of read her kind of there on the
[TS]
01:08:51
◼
►
side that you can do if you want I mean
[TS]
01:08:53
◼
►
for me I you know I was playing on the
[TS]
01:08:55
◼
►
xbox and achievements the pop-up when
[TS]
01:08:57
◼
►
you do things and brothers was
[TS]
01:08:58
◼
►
interesting in that all the achievements
[TS]
01:09:00
◼
►
were for things that were kind of off
[TS]
01:09:01
◼
►
the beaten path and like I found the
[TS]
01:09:03
◼
►
first one of those and then it's like
[TS]
01:09:05
◼
►
you know a you know I like getting
[TS]
01:09:07
◼
►
achievements because I got no challenge
[TS]
01:09:09
◼
►
to me i want i got i got nine out of 12
[TS]
01:09:12
◼
►
the first time through and I went Wow
[TS]
01:09:14
◼
►
I have achievements turned off when i'm
[TS]
01:09:16
◼
►
in game because of all that concerned
[TS]
01:09:18
◼
►
but I think I like that like I mean and
[TS]
01:09:20
◼
►
mainly because i liked in this game you
[TS]
01:09:22
◼
►
know you didn't need to get any of them
[TS]
01:09:24
◼
►
but they were like letting you know that
[TS]
01:09:26
◼
►
there were these little things off the
[TS]
01:09:27
◼
►
path that you could find you can explore
[TS]
01:09:29
◼
►
so as i was playing brothers it was like
[TS]
01:09:30
◼
►
I was always looking for what's all the
[TS]
01:09:32
◼
►
little side quest i want it i want to
[TS]
01:09:34
◼
►
experience all the parts of the game
[TS]
01:09:35
◼
►
that they designed right and i missed
[TS]
01:09:37
◼
►
three out of 12 on the first playthrough
[TS]
01:09:39
◼
►
and i went back and found this because
[TS]
01:09:40
◼
►
it's like I want to see all the little
[TS]
01:09:42
◼
►
side passages of this game because they
[TS]
01:09:44
◼
►
were all extremely cute like the funny
[TS]
01:09:46
◼
►
little interest or not no or not it is
[TS]
01:09:48
◼
►
well yeah it turns out there's also like
[TS]
01:09:50
◼
►
you know there's this how you feel about
[TS]
01:09:51
◼
►
hands and said you'd so Dan mentioned
[TS]
01:09:54
◼
►
gameplay mechanics and I you know I it
[TS]
01:09:57
◼
►
wasn't hard to do
[TS]
01:10:00
◼
►
there's a mechanic where the two
[TS]
01:10:01
◼
►
brothers have to grasp this this thing
[TS]
01:10:04
◼
►
and like they need to move it forward
[TS]
01:10:05
◼
►
and and then and then move it left and
[TS]
01:10:08
◼
►
there are a couple of able to drag a
[TS]
01:10:09
◼
►
piece of wood right there are a bunch of
[TS]
01:10:12
◼
►
things like that that i enjoyed just the
[TS]
01:10:15
◼
►
fact that oh I've gotta you know i'm
[TS]
01:10:17
◼
►
going to move them independently or I've
[TS]
01:10:18
◼
►
got a pivot one forward and one back it
[TS]
01:10:20
◼
►
was not particularly complicated but I
[TS]
01:10:22
◼
►
there was it kind of a joy in 10 this is
[TS]
01:10:26
◼
►
different i haven't done something like
[TS]
01:10:27
◼
►
this and that was weirdly satisfying
[TS]
01:10:28
◼
►
also that you had figured it out right
[TS]
01:10:30
◼
►
like the beginning you first have to
[TS]
01:10:32
◼
►
pick up the wheelbarrow with your dad in
[TS]
01:10:33
◼
►
it's like all right go away i can push
[TS]
01:10:35
◼
►
with both the guys alright i'm getting
[TS]
01:10:37
◼
►
this you know and then the part where
[TS]
01:10:39
◼
►
it's like there's you have to navigate
[TS]
01:10:40
◼
►
like the pipe through like a little bit
[TS]
01:10:41
◼
►
made to like jam one of the graves and I
[TS]
01:10:44
◼
►
was like oh I can do this very smoothly
[TS]
01:10:45
◼
►
now like you know have been practiced
[TS]
01:10:47
◼
►
this for a while like there is a sense
[TS]
01:10:48
◼
►
of achievement there and it is well
[TS]
01:10:50
◼
►
there's no stupid tutorial mode right
[TS]
01:10:51
◼
►
it's like going to start senior year you
[TS]
01:10:53
◼
►
know your you have to figure out press
[TS]
01:10:55
◼
►
this button press this button
[TS]
01:10:56
◼
►
alright that's what you need to know
[TS]
01:10:57
◼
►
John has has played games for probably
[TS]
01:11:00
◼
►
several hundred
[TS]
01:11:01
◼
►
red times longer than I have in total
[TS]
01:11:03
◼
►
game time if not thousand but when i get
[TS]
01:11:07
◼
►
at the end of the game when the young
[TS]
01:11:09
◼
►
brother is at the water that experience
[TS]
01:11:13
◼
►
was really good because and so my wife
[TS]
01:11:17
◼
►
is watching this and and she's already
[TS]
01:11:20
◼
►
pretty outraged at the fact that the big
[TS]
01:11:22
◼
►
brother had died because she's like what
[TS]
01:11:24
◼
►
the hell what the hell was that this is
[TS]
01:11:26
◼
►
actually I what about the slow sequence
[TS]
01:11:27
◼
►
where you had to bury him how God is not
[TS]
01:11:30
◼
►
a man not a man yeah she's like what
[TS]
01:11:33
◼
►
what is this game
[TS]
01:11:34
◼
►
it seemed a little curl press x to dig
[TS]
01:11:36
◼
►
it to dig a shallow grave that happens
[TS]
01:11:38
◼
►
to me because I ice set the game aside
[TS]
01:11:41
◼
►
for a while and i came back to it and
[TS]
01:11:42
◼
►
and bren came in and I let me show you
[TS]
01:11:45
◼
►
this game I've been playing and I came
[TS]
01:11:47
◼
►
right back into the part with where she
[TS]
01:11:48
◼
►
turns into a specter it was like all
[TS]
01:11:50
◼
►
right I totally ruin this game for your
[TS]
01:11:52
◼
►
sorry and then she's watching me as I'm
[TS]
01:11:54
◼
►
like Derek my brother like you
[TS]
01:11:56
◼
►
I'm so sorry I'm proud of you on the
[TS]
01:11:59
◼
►
plus side they don't make you dig the
[TS]
01:12:00
◼
►
hole they have continued my drag the
[TS]
01:12:02
◼
►
body in and cover it up
[TS]
01:12:04
◼
►
they just make you dump the dirt on your
[TS]
01:12:05
◼
►
brother's lifeless course sobbing the
[TS]
01:12:07
◼
►
whole wage used to get off joe pesci I'm
[TS]
01:12:10
◼
►
fine i think the whole with this first
[TS]
01:12:12
◼
►
hole I dug yeah so so but some say that
[TS]
01:12:15
◼
►
the water i'm back that the Griffin foul
[TS]
01:12:18
◼
►
creature has brought me back to home and
[TS]
01:12:20
◼
►
i'm i'm at the water and I i I'm
[TS]
01:12:23
◼
►
thinking okay how what's what's the
[TS]
01:12:25
◼
►
solution here i run i trigger i run i go
[TS]
01:12:27
◼
►
over here too i climb and nothing is
[TS]
01:12:29
◼
►
working and so you know that's 30
[TS]
01:12:32
◼
►
seconds or not and then I i'm looking at
[TS]
01:12:34
◼
►
it and then I think oh yeah right i need
[TS]
01:12:38
◼
►
to i I need to use the brothers controls
[TS]
01:12:41
◼
►
like I would have done before and you
[TS]
01:12:43
◼
►
press the trigger and you hear the
[TS]
01:12:45
◼
►
brother and the boy ventures often too
[TS]
01:12:47
◼
►
even though he's afraid of the water and
[TS]
01:12:49
◼
►
he can't swim to get across and that
[TS]
01:12:52
◼
►
moment for me was really affecting even
[TS]
01:12:55
◼
►
though I I to roll my eyes at the
[TS]
01:12:57
◼
►
brother dying and being well this is
[TS]
01:12:58
◼
►
very much manipulative but but that
[TS]
01:13:01
◼
►
payoff I felt like was really powerful
[TS]
01:13:03
◼
►
now my wife is sitting there watching
[TS]
01:13:05
◼
►
and she just sees me start swimming and
[TS]
01:13:07
◼
►
she gets to the end she's like well that
[TS]
01:13:09
◼
►
was really lame and I said no no I do
[TS]
01:13:11
◼
►
use the brothers consider another
[TS]
01:13:12
◼
►
difference the difference between you
[TS]
01:13:14
◼
►
having played the game
[TS]
01:13:15
◼
►
and her watching the game is true thing
[TS]
01:13:17
◼
►
about games because you were the one
[TS]
01:13:18
◼
►
doing it not just after she had seen the
[TS]
01:13:20
◼
►
earlier part of the games it's different
[TS]
01:13:21
◼
►
when you are doing it and the thing you
[TS]
01:13:23
◼
►
just have to earlier about like feeling
[TS]
01:13:25
◼
►
good about having figured out of
[TS]
01:13:26
◼
►
maneuver that's something that I i also
[TS]
01:13:28
◼
►
mentioned in the journey podcast where
[TS]
01:13:29
◼
►
you don't do much in journey just kind
[TS]
01:13:32
◼
►
of like float around and fly and stuff
[TS]
01:13:33
◼
►
but there's enough there's enough a
[TS]
01:13:35
◼
►
variation in there that you feel like
[TS]
01:13:37
◼
►
you by the end of the game you are
[TS]
01:13:39
◼
►
pulling off moves with finesse and
[TS]
01:13:40
◼
►
that's why talk about the final level
[TS]
01:13:41
◼
►
and journey where you get to show
[TS]
01:13:43
◼
►
Superman now I'm really good at this
[TS]
01:13:45
◼
►
whole scar flying business and watch me
[TS]
01:13:47
◼
►
show my stuff and that's your and that's
[TS]
01:13:48
◼
►
why you you get the little park of like
[TS]
01:13:50
◼
►
i have now learned how to navigate the
[TS]
01:13:53
◼
►
wheelbarrow with two people and I can go
[TS]
01:13:54
◼
►
up the cliff or whatever that the
[TS]
01:13:56
◼
►
biggest fault i think for in brothers is
[TS]
01:13:58
◼
►
that maybe they have you can do some of
[TS]
01:13:59
◼
►
the same things too many times but maybe
[TS]
01:14:01
◼
►
that's just because that's how many
[TS]
01:14:02
◼
►
times more people need more repetition
[TS]
01:14:05
◼
►
to master it whereas if you master the
[TS]
01:14:06
◼
►
first time then the 17-time you're
[TS]
01:14:08
◼
►
climbing up the walls like whatever but
[TS]
01:14:10
◼
►
that you know that's that it that's what
[TS]
01:14:13
◼
►
games are going for and I'm glad that
[TS]
01:14:14
◼
►
you got an attitude even if I didn't in
[TS]
01:14:16
◼
►
this particular game
[TS]
01:14:17
◼
►
well i gotta to and I I'd I audibly was
[TS]
01:14:19
◼
►
like you know when I figured it out i'm
[TS]
01:14:20
◼
►
sitting there and I just you know
[TS]
01:14:22
◼
►
oh my god like you know I had that
[TS]
01:14:23
◼
►
moment of I know what are you doing here
[TS]
01:14:25
◼
►
I know what I need to do and I was like
[TS]
01:14:27
◼
►
you know that to me that payoff is worth
[TS]
01:14:29
◼
►
it I know I i have that at the end of
[TS]
01:14:30
◼
►
the game i was talking about like that
[TS]
01:14:31
◼
►
the him saying he was satisfied like oh
[TS]
01:14:33
◼
►
now I know how to swing on the ropes and
[TS]
01:14:35
◼
►
like get along like that now the ending
[TS]
01:14:37
◼
►
part it's definitely working i regard
[TS]
01:14:39
◼
►
but I I do have my long litany of
[TS]
01:14:40
◼
►
complaints and you guys you guys who
[TS]
01:14:42
◼
►
chokes what if i get if i can quickly go
[TS]
01:14:44
◼
►
through them and and uh yes please
[TS]
01:14:48
◼
►
please move rapidly through the long
[TS]
01:14:50
◼
►
with me I'll just be here nodding and
[TS]
01:14:52
◼
►
and then at the end of what will try to
[TS]
01:14:54
◼
►
say how good the game is to try to I'm
[TS]
01:14:55
◼
►
gonna go get a drink go ahead job
[TS]
01:14:57
◼
►
alright so world design I brothers and
[TS]
01:15:02
◼
►
brothers this item
[TS]
01:15:03
◼
►
yes brother yes brothers straight that's
[TS]
01:15:05
◼
►
right herself medical and heads runs
[TS]
01:15:07
◼
►
like straight-up medieval fantasy and
[TS]
01:15:09
◼
►
the only possible to us is like a little
[TS]
01:15:11
◼
►
bit of over saturated color and slightly
[TS]
01:15:12
◼
►
cartoonish character proportions and eco
[TS]
01:15:14
◼
►
like a and everything is compared with
[TS]
01:15:16
◼
►
ego is like as the muted color palette
[TS]
01:15:18
◼
►
thing which is totally also a trope that
[TS]
01:15:20
◼
►
goes on there but i have to give the
[TS]
01:15:23
◼
►
nautique in terms of being more
[TS]
01:15:24
◼
►
distinctive like this look a little bit
[TS]
01:15:25
◼
►
generic to me a lot of it has to do with
[TS]
01:15:27
◼
►
the fact that uses unreal engine 3 which
[TS]
01:15:28
◼
►
if you're a gamer you've seen a million
[TS]
01:15:30
◼
►
times before like I you know I know what
[TS]
01:15:33
◼
►
unreal engine games look like this looks
[TS]
01:15:34
◼
►
like an unreal engine game which is fine
[TS]
01:15:36
◼
►
and egos engine was novel an interesting
[TS]
01:15:38
◼
►
night wasn't the unreal engine though it
[TS]
01:15:39
◼
►
was the setting the setting was
[TS]
01:15:41
◼
►
unbelievably generic yeah actually might
[TS]
01:15:43
◼
►
be my seven-year-old son recognized all
[TS]
01:15:45
◼
►
of the various tropes and and knew what
[TS]
01:15:47
◼
►
to do with them without having to be
[TS]
01:15:48
◼
►
told ya it didn't seem like it had like
[TS]
01:15:50
◼
►
a big style message
[TS]
01:15:52
◼
►
did he call the that the pretty girl
[TS]
01:15:55
◼
►
that they saved from their horrible
[TS]
01:15:56
◼
►
execution turned out to be a murderous
[TS]
01:15:58
◼
►
spider lady now he didn't get to that
[TS]
01:15:59
◼
►
part because his fingers fell off from
[TS]
01:16:01
◼
►
the triggers that was actually for
[TS]
01:16:02
◼
►
shadow which i thought was clever
[TS]
01:16:03
◼
►
yeah it was it was very well fortunately
[TS]
01:16:05
◼
►
the wall where the sacrificing their
[TS]
01:16:07
◼
►
fighting off giant spiders and it's
[TS]
01:16:08
◼
►
super creepy and the fact that she leaps
[TS]
01:16:10
◼
►
like 800 yards the first time hearing
[TS]
01:16:12
◼
►
like mean I wasn't marmol yeah that the
[TS]
01:16:16
◼
►
language barrier thing again comparing
[TS]
01:16:18
◼
►
with eco which also has characters that
[TS]
01:16:19
◼
►
don't speak the language that you're
[TS]
01:16:20
◼
►
speaking right and both have like a
[TS]
01:16:22
◼
►
limited set of phrases that the players
[TS]
01:16:24
◼
►
repeat you know the so similar in all
[TS]
01:16:26
◼
►
these regards and in this particular
[TS]
01:16:28
◼
►
thing I i found that you know in in
[TS]
01:16:32
◼
►
brothers understanding the intent of the
[TS]
01:16:34
◼
►
spoken words was more important to the
[TS]
01:16:36
◼
►
gameplay and it was also more difficult
[TS]
01:16:38
◼
►
for me to understand what they were
[TS]
01:16:39
◼
►
saying like an eco you press the key to
[TS]
01:16:42
◼
►
call someone and make some noise and the
[TS]
01:16:43
◼
►
person comes you like that must be the
[TS]
01:16:44
◼
►
calling noise but and brothers they have
[TS]
01:16:46
◼
►
these long run subtitled dialogue
[TS]
01:16:48
◼
►
sequences that it's like I'm I get the
[TS]
01:16:50
◼
►
gist of what you're saying but if you're
[TS]
01:16:52
◼
►
going to be talking that long with no
[TS]
01:16:53
◼
►
sometimes I want to actually know what
[TS]
01:16:54
◼
►
you're saying I felt like I was being
[TS]
01:16:55
◼
►
left out of the experience of my own
[TS]
01:16:57
◼
►
well it's so meaningless was the
[TS]
01:16:58
◼
►
conversation clearly that the music
[TS]
01:17:00
◼
►
would swell at those points and drown
[TS]
01:17:02
◼
►
out what the guy was saying at least on
[TS]
01:17:04
◼
►
the pc version it was just like it was
[TS]
01:17:06
◼
►
still too much talking 44 not really
[TS]
01:17:08
◼
►
understanding what they're doing and a
[TS]
01:17:10
◼
►
good example for me is like the very
[TS]
01:17:11
◼
►
beginning of the game what is the goal
[TS]
01:17:13
◼
►
of the game you know a journey like the
[TS]
01:17:15
◼
►
throne mountain your face in eco is like
[TS]
01:17:17
◼
►
old uh you know try to escape and
[TS]
01:17:19
◼
►
brothers I kind of got the idea was like
[TS]
01:17:21
◼
►
I do something to help save this guy who
[TS]
01:17:23
◼
►
is your dad I assume right but it's like
[TS]
01:17:25
◼
►
what am i what am I getting my looking
[TS]
01:17:27
◼
►
for medicine i'm looking for magic am I
[TS]
01:17:29
◼
►
going to find a person and bring your
[TS]
01:17:30
◼
►
diagonal entry it's under control
[TS]
01:17:32
◼
►
read the drive you all right now but it
[TS]
01:17:35
◼
►
like it was it like what is that the
[TS]
01:17:36
◼
►
world treating you
[TS]
01:17:38
◼
►
your brother's the only ones in the
[TS]
01:17:39
◼
►
world that don't know exactly where that
[TS]
01:17:41
◼
►
tree is yeah there's a scroll which way
[TS]
01:17:44
◼
►
to the other side of the world
[TS]
01:17:45
◼
►
oh that's right over there there and I
[TS]
01:17:46
◼
►
know like these are because they want
[TS]
01:17:48
◼
►
you to part of his they want you to be
[TS]
01:17:50
◼
►
to figure out from context which is kind
[TS]
01:17:52
◼
►
of fun 4head is a language I don't know
[TS]
01:17:53
◼
►
but I'm going to fear from context
[TS]
01:17:54
◼
►
what's going on and that's fine it just
[TS]
01:17:56
◼
►
felt like they did a little bit too much
[TS]
01:17:58
◼
►
of leaving me out of the game that i was
[TS]
01:17:59
◼
►
playing just a little bit too much just
[TS]
01:18:01
◼
►
make it make it up use your imagination
[TS]
01:18:03
◼
►
just maybe maybe that power was too
[TS]
01:18:04
◼
►
challenging for me I think whatever we
[TS]
01:18:06
◼
►
cover the gameplay thing with the baby
[TS]
01:18:07
◼
►
penguin that does uh you know i mean it
[TS]
01:18:09
◼
►
wasn't a challenge was essential the
[TS]
01:18:11
◼
►
game but like a baby penguin linearity
[TS]
01:18:13
◼
►
bothered me out of the two player
[TS]
01:18:14
◼
►
experience obviously that's what this
[TS]
01:18:16
◼
►
game is all about you know it's a
[TS]
01:18:18
◼
►
different 2 player take on that you know
[TS]
01:18:19
◼
►
then then journey or eco your journey
[TS]
01:18:22
◼
►
the second player is another person
[TS]
01:18:23
◼
►
which totally changes the equation makes
[TS]
01:18:25
◼
►
it very and you don't need the second
[TS]
01:18:26
◼
►
player but I think with the second place
[TS]
01:18:27
◼
►
that's totally different and another
[TS]
01:18:29
◼
►
human is way more interesting than AI
[TS]
01:18:31
◼
►
and way more engaging you know that
[TS]
01:18:33
◼
►
you're playing with an eco the other
[TS]
01:18:34
◼
►
players AI which is the worst case
[TS]
01:18:37
◼
►
that's like one long terrible escort
[TS]
01:18:38
◼
►
mission and if you played lots of games
[TS]
01:18:40
◼
►
you like I'll cut them i got it i'm
[TS]
01:18:42
◼
►
gonna try to get this other thing is
[TS]
01:18:44
◼
►
just about that as i recall
[TS]
01:18:46
◼
►
yes but in the best case you become
[TS]
01:18:48
◼
►
engaged that you are like protecting
[TS]
01:18:51
◼
►
your little computer friend in the game
[TS]
01:18:53
◼
►
and the computer friend in the game as a
[TS]
01:18:54
◼
►
little bit more pliable than human print
[TS]
01:18:56
◼
►
I think with with the two player
[TS]
01:18:59
◼
►
experience the I mean I worked great for
[TS]
01:19:02
◼
►
the gameplay but then the problem is
[TS]
01:19:04
◼
►
like when you when you have a thing
[TS]
01:19:05
◼
►
where you kill him and you feel like I'm
[TS]
01:19:06
◼
►
being manipulated he gets killed off or
[TS]
01:19:08
◼
►
whatever i do other things without 1i he
[TS]
01:19:12
◼
►
dies and I'm like okay so is there
[TS]
01:19:15
◼
►
something I could do to get the good
[TS]
01:19:16
◼
►
ending where he doesn't die but that's
[TS]
01:19:17
◼
►
my immediate thought right you don't
[TS]
01:19:18
◼
►
have you after that happens I call and
[TS]
01:19:21
◼
►
you shouldn't be really having that
[TS]
01:19:22
◼
►
thought but like that that's what I'm
[TS]
01:19:24
◼
►
thinking and the second one is I almost
[TS]
01:19:28
◼
►
forgot the variable seen the pork barrel
[TS]
01:19:30
◼
►
seen that redhead on the interactive
[TS]
01:19:32
◼
►
burial seem like that is actually been
[TS]
01:19:33
◼
►
done before as well which is fine i and
[TS]
01:19:36
◼
►
i thought the the winter is a slight
[TS]
01:19:38
◼
►
spoiler for the walking dead sorry but
[TS]
01:19:40
◼
►
he you know that's the same type of
[TS]
01:19:42
◼
►
interactive barriers in the walking that
[TS]
01:19:43
◼
►
line everybody
[TS]
01:19:44
◼
►
londa good and I think it's because that
[TS]
01:19:47
◼
►
I mean maybe it's harder for your degree
[TS]
01:19:51
◼
►
for a player that you were controlling
[TS]
01:19:52
◼
►
or what am i doing my grieving for my
[TS]
01:19:54
◼
►
left thumb like it's not quite the same
[TS]
01:19:56
◼
►
as grieving for like grieving for
[TS]
01:19:58
◼
►
another player character in the game or
[TS]
01:20:00
◼
►
even another human player a mean it
[TS]
01:20:02
◼
►
works because you're breathing for your
[TS]
01:20:03
◼
►
brother but like at that point it's like
[TS]
01:20:04
◼
►
okay well now the controls got a lot
[TS]
01:20:06
◼
►
easier and like I mean is just a little
[TS]
01:20:08
◼
►
thing to do but he had hard to control
[TS]
01:20:11
◼
►
these my brother but my left hand has
[TS]
01:20:12
◼
►
nothing to do now I could I could I have
[TS]
01:20:15
◼
►
concluded for this podcast John does not
[TS]
01:20:17
◼
►
have a brother nor has he ever met
[TS]
01:20:18
◼
►
anyone with the Bible you how I do have
[TS]
01:20:20
◼
►
a brother but like the best lighting is
[TS]
01:20:22
◼
►
that guy is doomed
[TS]
01:20:24
◼
►
I thought I thought I don't control them
[TS]
01:20:26
◼
►
with my other thumb but I thought more
[TS]
01:20:27
◼
►
than what i'm going to hope not
[TS]
01:20:29
◼
►
how is your brother at pulling the legs
[TS]
01:20:32
◼
►
off of giant spiders be good at that
[TS]
01:20:34
◼
►
yeah I thought way more attached to the
[TS]
01:20:37
◼
►
human beings and I play journey with and
[TS]
01:20:40
◼
►
the AI player that I protected
[TS]
01:20:42
◼
►
throughout eco than I did with his other
[TS]
01:20:43
◼
►
player that I was controlling because I
[TS]
01:20:45
◼
►
felt like I'm still alive like in just
[TS]
01:20:47
◼
►
half of me is not innovating that worked
[TS]
01:20:49
◼
►
in the later scenes where the character
[TS]
01:20:50
◼
►
in the game was upset by that and like
[TS]
01:20:52
◼
►
getting across the water and you know
[TS]
01:20:53
◼
►
the dead mother and everything it kind
[TS]
01:20:55
◼
►
of worked out but not i mean maybe it
[TS]
01:20:58
◼
►
was just the way they paced the burial
[TS]
01:20:59
◼
►
seen or whatever I just it it was
[TS]
01:21:01
◼
►
missing something for me and I think
[TS]
01:21:03
◼
►
what it was missing is because like the
[TS]
01:21:04
◼
►
things that were good about it that you
[TS]
01:21:06
◼
►
got to control players for the whole
[TS]
01:21:07
◼
►
game worked against it when they killed
[TS]
01:21:09
◼
►
one of them off because i felt like i
[TS]
01:21:10
◼
►
was still like half alive you know I
[TS]
01:21:12
◼
►
mean I mean I call that kind successful
[TS]
01:21:13
◼
►
in some ways I mean like the you know I
[TS]
01:21:16
◼
►
don't you mention think about the good
[TS]
01:21:17
◼
►
ending and i that made me think of a
[TS]
01:21:19
◼
►
mass effect just because that's another
[TS]
01:21:21
◼
►
case where there are characters that can
[TS]
01:21:23
◼
►
die permanently if you do the wrong
[TS]
01:21:25
◼
►
thing and for me it was always i only
[TS]
01:21:27
◼
►
played through those games once but I
[TS]
01:21:29
◼
►
know like Jason tosses occasionally on
[TS]
01:21:31
◼
►
the podcast is played through more times
[TS]
01:21:33
◼
►
than I care to think about and he'll
[TS]
01:21:35
◼
►
talk about like all the different
[TS]
01:21:35
◼
►
endings I'm like but in my world
[TS]
01:21:37
◼
►
this guy is dead like this character
[TS]
01:21:39
◼
►
that would even occur to me to go back
[TS]
01:21:41
◼
►
and like oh I should go back and replay
[TS]
01:21:43
◼
►
it so that he remains alive no he's dead
[TS]
01:21:45
◼
►
and that would be disrespecting his
[TS]
01:21:46
◼
►
memory r.i.p left thumb
[TS]
01:21:48
◼
►
yeah the ending at the ending of this
[TS]
01:21:49
◼
►
one you know to completely spot you end
[TS]
01:21:51
◼
►
up in a situation where the brothers
[TS]
01:21:54
◼
►
the dad is alive and the mother died
[TS]
01:21:55
◼
►
previously again
[TS]
01:21:56
◼
►
and it's like is this a fair trade like
[TS]
01:21:58
◼
►
if you had not given the father would
[TS]
01:22:00
◼
►
have died but you're not your brother
[TS]
01:22:01
◼
►
still alive right now because this is a
[TS]
01:22:04
◼
►
factory condition
[TS]
01:22:05
◼
►
it just seems like the funding also just
[TS]
01:22:07
◼
►
to just to wrap things up nicely before
[TS]
01:22:09
◼
►
the end credits the final scene is them
[TS]
01:22:11
◼
►
now there are two gravestones out of the
[TS]
01:22:12
◼
►
tree behind the house and the dad is
[TS]
01:22:14
◼
►
sobbing uncontrollably later in the end
[TS]
01:22:17
◼
►
always just like I wanted it hold it
[TS]
01:22:19
◼
►
hold it in the distance you see the
[TS]
01:22:21
◼
►
groupon thing flying by
[TS]
01:22:23
◼
►
he's on his way back to get the older
[TS]
01:22:24
◼
►
brother know and I hate that
[TS]
01:22:26
◼
►
by the way I hate the fact that that's
[TS]
01:22:28
◼
►
happened he's just going back to the
[TS]
01:22:30
◼
►
tree to have some more cool leaves and
[TS]
01:22:32
◼
►
spiderleg well he knows where there's an
[TS]
01:22:34
◼
►
easy meal that's why he's headed back
[TS]
01:22:36
◼
►
there i think i think the end of it for
[TS]
01:22:37
◼
►
me i was turned around he was elected
[TS]
01:22:38
◼
►
and for the rest of his life his father
[TS]
01:22:39
◼
►
can never meet his eyes again and yeah
[TS]
01:22:41
◼
►
like it kind of comes to that and I'm
[TS]
01:22:43
◼
►
like wow this is way darker than I
[TS]
01:22:44
◼
►
thought it was gonna be added by the end
[TS]
01:22:46
◼
►
of this game when I was thinking to
[TS]
01:22:47
◼
►
myself as well just another day in the
[TS]
01:22:49
◼
►
grim blood so funny giant that offering
[TS]
01:22:51
◼
►
yourself in a dreamworld the brothers
[TS]
01:22:53
◼
►
I mean it's just like this place is that
[TS]
01:22:55
◼
►
our man i do not want to live here
[TS]
01:22:57
◼
►
you just need a music place that'll put
[TS]
01:22:58
◼
►
you right out of it but just wait till
[TS]
01:23:01
◼
►
the sequel brother at a loved one son
[TS]
01:23:04
◼
►
and one very sad father now the fact the
[TS]
01:23:07
◼
►
fact that the Griffin is flying back to
[TS]
01:23:09
◼
►
get the older brother kinda ticked me
[TS]
01:23:10
◼
►
off because I what I saw as as the
[TS]
01:23:13
◼
►
obvious kind of a dark here is at the
[TS]
01:23:16
◼
►
beginning the little brother is he's
[TS]
01:23:18
◼
►
consumed with guilt for the death of his
[TS]
01:23:20
◼
►
the drowning death of his mother and you
[TS]
01:23:23
◼
►
know is spending his life grieving and
[TS]
01:23:25
◼
►
what I was expecting to see at the end
[TS]
01:23:27
◼
►
was as the father kind of falls apart
[TS]
01:23:29
◼
►
the the younger brother having been
[TS]
01:23:31
◼
►
strengthened by his experience with his
[TS]
01:23:32
◼
►
older brother than you know kind of
[TS]
01:23:34
◼
►
pulls his father out of it and they
[TS]
01:23:35
◼
►
realize that you know there are things
[TS]
01:23:37
◼
►
worth living for and they kind of move
[TS]
01:23:38
◼
►
on with life and that that would have
[TS]
01:23:40
◼
►
made some sense a little of the the
[TS]
01:23:42
◼
►
older brother's death and i'd i would
[TS]
01:23:44
◼
►
appreciate that ending a lot more than
[TS]
01:23:46
◼
►
then the two possible endings we have
[TS]
01:23:49
◼
►
here which is one everybody's dead and
[TS]
01:23:51
◼
►
everybody sad half of them are dead and
[TS]
01:23:53
◼
►
half of them yes I or something there's
[TS]
01:23:57
◼
►
a happy ending that's about to happen
[TS]
01:23:58
◼
►
with the groupon flying back and
[TS]
01:23:59
◼
►
retrieving the brother who was buried in
[TS]
01:24:01
◼
►
the dirt outside the tree of life and
[TS]
01:24:03
◼
►
therefore is resurrected although
[TS]
01:24:04
◼
►
probably slightly were made it comes
[TS]
01:24:06
◼
►
back as a zombie in the next game you
[TS]
01:24:08
◼
►
have to kill
[TS]
01:24:08
◼
►
admit that cemetery brothers a tale of
[TS]
01:24:11
◼
►
one son and one zombie but with three
[TS]
01:24:15
◼
►
then get back together the mother
[TS]
01:24:16
◼
►
suddenly rises from the sea and they
[TS]
01:24:17
◼
►
have to fight her off
[TS]
01:24:19
◼
►
yeah there was a moment when when you're
[TS]
01:24:21
◼
►
in the ice the ice fields and the
[TS]
01:24:22
◼
►
icebergs and all of that and again that
[TS]
01:24:24
◼
►
was the way they have to row the boat is
[TS]
01:24:26
◼
►
interesting is another interesting game
[TS]
01:24:27
◼
►
mechanic where where there's mountains
[TS]
01:24:29
◼
►
off in the distance and I can't wait to
[TS]
01:24:30
◼
►
see if one of them had that beam of
[TS]
01:24:32
◼
►
light coming out of it like journey it's
[TS]
01:24:34
◼
►
just over there but I'll other like that
[TS]
01:24:36
◼
►
i wanted to mention is i like how the
[TS]
01:24:38
◼
►
like the trolls are used in this i found
[TS]
01:24:40
◼
►
out that sort of tickled me that there's
[TS]
01:24:41
◼
►
there's a patrol that you meet who is
[TS]
01:24:43
◼
►
like totally terrifying except it turns
[TS]
01:24:45
◼
►
out that he's really friendly and
[TS]
01:24:46
◼
►
helpful and helps you get where you need
[TS]
01:24:48
◼
►
I really like that then later there's a
[TS]
01:24:50
◼
►
level where you have to release a troll
[TS]
01:24:52
◼
►
from a cage by stealing a key from
[TS]
01:24:54
◼
►
another troll at and at that point then
[TS]
01:24:57
◼
►
you have to lock the the the troll
[TS]
01:24:59
◼
►
captor in the cage and then you see that
[TS]
01:25:02
◼
►
the troll that you've released is
[TS]
01:25:04
◼
►
reunited with her you know beloved other
[TS]
01:25:06
◼
►
troll and there's like this shrimp
[TS]
01:25:08
◼
►
portion of the game yeah I didn't see
[TS]
01:25:10
◼
►
that coming because when you first see
[TS]
01:25:11
◼
►
the other girl here that zombies really
[TS]
01:25:13
◼
►
bad what he said about yes I thought it
[TS]
01:25:15
◼
►
would be good for kids like two people
[TS]
01:25:16
◼
►
are hanging from trees and stuff maybe
[TS]
01:25:19
◼
►
not so good for can maybe the end it
[TS]
01:25:21
◼
►
gets a little later look about like it
[TS]
01:25:24
◼
►
like the top totally it didn't
[TS]
01:25:26
◼
►
it's a little bit too much easier pixie
[TS]
01:25:29
◼
►
and it's more like a Grimm fairy tale
[TS]
01:25:31
◼
►
yes actual script yet it's very totally
[TS]
01:25:33
◼
►
at I think tied to the grimm fairy tales
[TS]
01:25:35
◼
►
those were all nasty is how people are
[TS]
01:25:38
◼
►
always dying left and right and that was
[TS]
01:25:40
◼
►
considered a happy ending right i mean
[TS]
01:25:41
◼
►
is the part for me when I got to the
[TS]
01:25:43
◼
►
we're getting a giant's for me and at
[TS]
01:25:46
◼
►
first I get anyone else having a giant
[TS]
01:25:48
◼
►
wait a second i think it's when the
[TS]
01:25:49
◼
►
first time isn't in the tower you go to
[TS]
01:25:52
◼
►
the tower first well yeah in the towers
[TS]
01:25:54
◼
►
the first time write like that my first
[TS]
01:25:55
◼
►
thought was wait for it does it turn out
[TS]
01:25:57
◼
►
that we're really small when everything
[TS]
01:26:00
◼
►
related a blue twilight zone and then I
[TS]
01:26:02
◼
►
had the Giants part where you're
[TS]
01:26:04
◼
►
navigating through the battlefield and
[TS]
01:26:05
◼
►
that was disturbing I mean there's the
[TS]
01:26:06
◼
►
part where you have to like shoot the
[TS]
01:26:08
◼
►
crossbow not the guy that came into the
[TS]
01:26:10
◼
►
dead Giants night because Alice if thats
[TS]
01:26:12
◼
►
that's something I haven't done in a
[TS]
01:26:13
◼
►
game before i had not caused the giant
[TS]
01:26:15
◼
►
axe to fall to chop off someone's leg so
[TS]
01:26:17
◼
►
I can pass through the linear car door
[TS]
01:26:19
◼
►
of a game it was pretty brutal
[TS]
01:26:21
◼
►
I mean yeah that's surprise my kids
[TS]
01:26:23
◼
►
about that was hilarious
[TS]
01:26:24
◼
►
yes that's the thing is the hanging and
[TS]
01:26:26
◼
►
the Giants getting chopped up that just
[TS]
01:26:28
◼
►
goes right over their heads
[TS]
01:26:29
◼
►
you're not leaving until you paddle they
[TS]
01:26:30
◼
►
can a canoe through a waterfall of blood
[TS]
01:26:33
◼
►
but that was hardly growth has been
[TS]
01:26:35
◼
►
impersonating a monster the tone never
[TS]
01:26:37
◼
►
really committed to like what when you
[TS]
01:26:39
◼
►
when you cut yourself in blood and get
[TS]
01:26:40
◼
►
on your brother shoulders like is that a
[TS]
01:26:41
◼
►
slapstick comedy moment or is it
[TS]
01:26:43
◼
►
horrifying because you're cutting you
[TS]
01:26:44
◼
►
and your brother when God and scary you
[TS]
01:26:46
◼
►
know a little bit like this one side
[TS]
01:26:48
◼
►
like it starts off very light-hearted
[TS]
01:26:50
◼
►
and you can go like harder than get dark
[TS]
01:26:52
◼
►
or whatever but it's like light-hearted
[TS]
01:26:53
◼
►
but then it gets like a dark but also
[TS]
01:26:55
◼
►
kind of slapstick and never quite knew
[TS]
01:26:57
◼
►
where it was going there just kind of
[TS]
01:26:59
◼
►
teetering back and forth and then at the
[TS]
01:27:00
◼
►
end he really wants to go for the gut
[TS]
01:27:02
◼
►
punch and it's like wow it's like you
[TS]
01:27:04
◼
►
have always liked was not know i mean it
[TS]
01:27:05
◼
►
like that you're always one single tone
[TS]
01:27:07
◼
►
I know but it's only a two-hour gate
[TS]
01:27:10
◼
►
minute I i like the transition I thought
[TS]
01:27:11
◼
►
it was cute the way it kind of like I
[TS]
01:27:13
◼
►
mean stuff gets darker and scarier and
[TS]
01:27:15
◼
►
and I thought my head was going out
[TS]
01:27:17
◼
►
tonight that that was the point at which
[TS]
01:27:18
◼
►
you know became interesting for me the
[TS]
01:27:20
◼
►
whole troll and mind sequence was all I
[TS]
01:27:22
◼
►
had been there done that and then that
[TS]
01:27:24
◼
►
they're out there with the wolves and
[TS]
01:27:25
◼
►
they're you know they run across the
[TS]
01:27:27
◼
►
guys hanging himself and this is just
[TS]
01:27:29
◼
►
got a little bit more going for that
[TS]
01:27:31
◼
►
didn't have anyone not say it not say
[TS]
01:27:32
◼
►
that here guy
[TS]
01:27:34
◼
►
no I think he liked you not have to i
[TS]
01:27:36
◼
►
know you don't have to you can just let
[TS]
01:27:37
◼
►
it go years let him hang
[TS]
01:27:39
◼
►
you never do that no I didn't do it
[TS]
01:27:41
◼
►
right I say we blew right through there
[TS]
01:27:43
◼
►
the people should play brothers I think
[TS]
01:27:44
◼
►
it's worth playing maybe I think more
[TS]
01:27:46
◼
►
than more than Steve I think it's you
[TS]
01:27:47
◼
►
know you should play a game that's good
[TS]
01:27:49
◼
►
no no I highly recommend people play it
[TS]
01:27:51
◼
►
i think that the art was gorgeous
[TS]
01:27:53
◼
►
although generic
[TS]
01:27:54
◼
►
and in fact I thought it was nice that
[TS]
01:27:57
◼
►
they placed benches at random areas just
[TS]
01:27:59
◼
►
matches the benches the most emblematic
[TS]
01:28:03
◼
►
thing about how this game is inspired by
[TS]
01:28:06
◼
►
ego but fails to live up to that
[TS]
01:28:07
◼
►
standard is they put the benches in so
[TS]
01:28:09
◼
►
obviously as a direct homage to the
[TS]
01:28:12
◼
►
benches and ego which you sit on with
[TS]
01:28:13
◼
►
with your order to save you and they did
[TS]
01:28:16
◼
►
it in such a way it like that
[TS]
01:28:18
◼
►
okay we're gonna do this we love that in
[TS]
01:28:19
◼
►
any code we're going to put them in our
[TS]
01:28:20
◼
►
game but they made you hold down both
[TS]
01:28:23
◼
►
triggers to stay on the bench the bench
[TS]
01:28:25
◼
►
is supposed to be relaxing
[TS]
01:28:27
◼
►
you can't make me tense both my fingers
[TS]
01:28:28
◼
►
and hold my turn with them the whole
[TS]
01:28:29
◼
►
time to stay on the benches they missed
[TS]
01:28:31
◼
►
the entire point of the benches
[TS]
01:28:33
◼
►
oh my god that drove him insane i was
[TS]
01:28:35
◼
►
every time I saw every time I saw bench
[TS]
01:28:38
◼
►
I got angry and Lee we don't know what's
[TS]
01:28:40
◼
►
it what's it like being driven insane
[TS]
01:28:41
◼
►
i'm not really sure but please play
[TS]
01:28:44
◼
►
short drives I've never met John in
[TS]
01:28:46
◼
►
person is there a thing that just
[TS]
01:28:48
◼
►
constantly throbs on a4a yes I thought
[TS]
01:28:51
◼
►
there is i'm all vain means all the way
[TS]
01:28:54
◼
►
down sometimes it just blood squirts out
[TS]
01:28:56
◼
►
of his eyes was talking I just couldn't
[TS]
01:29:01
◼
►
i consider because i love it's like the
[TS]
01:29:03
◼
►
typewriters and resident evil like it's
[TS]
01:29:05
◼
►
supposed to be an interlude it's
[TS]
01:29:06
◼
►
supposed to be the nice music plays and
[TS]
01:29:08
◼
►
everybody's come and we take a break and
[TS]
01:29:10
◼
►
are you just hold down both these
[TS]
01:29:11
◼
►
triggers hard as you can the whole done
[TS]
01:29:12
◼
►
otherwise you can't get the city can
[TS]
01:29:14
◼
►
look at the nice scenery if you don't
[TS]
01:29:15
◼
►
know the triggers for students you like
[TS]
01:29:16
◼
►
all one of them the cameras pans back
[TS]
01:29:18
◼
►
and you don't look at the scenery
[TS]
01:29:19
◼
►
anymore
[TS]
01:29:19
◼
►
I think you're holding your triggers too
[TS]
01:29:21
◼
►
long yeah i think that that's out of the
[TS]
01:29:23
◼
►
closet we're going to be a little
[TS]
01:29:24
◼
►
lighter on the trigger finger
[TS]
01:29:26
◼
►
Thank You retaining something else to
[TS]
01:29:27
◼
►
let it out man
[TS]
01:29:29
◼
►
are you there Steve it's me margaret I'm
[TS]
01:29:34
◼
►
a little conflicted about the fact that
[TS]
01:29:36
◼
►
I had to to make the one white bunny
[TS]
01:29:38
◼
►
become a black body in order for the
[TS]
01:29:39
◼
►
United that was a little distressing
[TS]
01:29:42
◼
►
nope you know that part didn't know what
[TS]
01:29:44
◼
►
I had no 90 triangle slipped off the
[TS]
01:29:47
◼
►
only thing I got no trophies it was
[TS]
01:29:49
◼
►
blowing the giant horn I Carol sheep all
[TS]
01:29:52
◼
►
the way to that thing to make the sheet
[TS]
01:29:53
◼
►
black it's a little cheaper irresistible
[TS]
01:29:58
◼
►
the sheep are the best part of the game
[TS]
01:29:59
◼
►
but like no no the best part is when you
[TS]
01:30:02
◼
►
fire your brother in a catapult that was
[TS]
01:30:04
◼
►
good that is awesome i liked writing the
[TS]
01:30:07
◼
►
glider because I did
[TS]
01:30:07
◼
►
that section like seven that was that
[TS]
01:30:10
◼
►
dialing not know you can hide I really
[TS]
01:30:12
◼
►
and I didn't know maybe you can join
[TS]
01:30:14
◼
►
that crafted many times many times I did
[TS]
01:30:17
◼
►
not like the younger brother going whoa
[TS]
01:30:19
◼
►
he was like bad flashbacks and yeah now
[TS]
01:30:23
◼
►
you transmit is his whole voice could
[TS]
01:30:26
◼
►
have gone completely out the window far
[TS]
01:30:28
◼
►
as I'm concerned you talk a little bit
[TS]
01:30:31
◼
►
about about things you play too many
[TS]
01:30:32
◼
►
times that the glider i kinda liked and
[TS]
01:30:36
◼
►
wish I could have done a little longer
[TS]
01:30:38
◼
►
because i really enjoyed that mechanic
[TS]
01:30:39
◼
►
of the the shimmying of the two guys on
[TS]
01:30:41
◼
►
the glider to make it till let me tell
[TS]
01:30:43
◼
►
you pick up far cry 3 or Assassin's
[TS]
01:30:46
◼
►
Creed unity and railways come on a lot
[TS]
01:30:49
◼
►
of time in a glider that I won't do it
[TS]
01:30:51
◼
►
yeah I refuse I know those games are too
[TS]
01:30:54
◼
►
long too long for just too long
[TS]
01:30:56
◼
►
give me another so is this some gamers
[TS]
01:30:58
◼
►
is this a new genre of game the
[TS]
01:31:01
◼
►
three-hour video game a two-hour video
[TS]
01:31:03
◼
►
game because if it is i really like it I
[TS]
01:31:05
◼
►
the time two hours good video game is no
[TS]
01:31:07
◼
►
yeah i think it is i mean i think that's
[TS]
01:31:09
◼
►
basically the idea is not every game has
[TS]
01:31:11
◼
►
to be 60 hours 60 bucks and some games
[TS]
01:31:13
◼
►
are shorting some games are long as you
[TS]
01:31:15
◼
►
know we can deliver games digitally and
[TS]
01:31:17
◼
►
we can price the price them however we
[TS]
01:31:19
◼
►
feel like it we have room for short
[TS]
01:31:20
◼
►
stories and novels
[TS]
01:31:21
◼
►
yes a game games have been getting
[TS]
01:31:22
◼
►
shorter for years now because it's so
[TS]
01:31:24
◼
►
much more expensive to create content
[TS]
01:31:26
◼
►
for them unless your rockstar can spend
[TS]
01:31:27
◼
►
200 million dollars on a game because
[TS]
01:31:29
◼
►
you games used to be routinely 20 30 40
[TS]
01:31:31
◼
►
hours easily and now it's like case with
[TS]
01:31:33
◼
►
our budget we can make a 10-hour game
[TS]
01:31:35
◼
►
when it first started happening people
[TS]
01:31:36
◼
►
are like what a ripoff this is a
[TS]
01:31:38
◼
►
sixty-dollar game and i finished in 10
[TS]
01:31:39
◼
►
hours but you know but it costs so much
[TS]
01:31:41
◼
►
money to do all this high res things
[TS]
01:31:43
◼
►
with all the the 3d models with more you
[TS]
01:31:45
◼
►
know polygons in them and everything and
[TS]
01:31:48
◼
►
all the music that you have to do in the
[TS]
01:31:49
◼
►
voice-acting it just became too
[TS]
01:31:50
◼
►
expensive and i think this is the
[TS]
01:31:51
◼
►
logical conclusion it's like all right
[TS]
01:31:53
◼
►
well now that people accept that
[TS]
01:31:55
◼
►
how about we condense down our best
[TS]
01:31:56
◼
►
ideas into as long as long as they take
[TS]
01:31:59
◼
►
and our may be our best ideas only feel
[TS]
01:32:01
◼
►
two hours and that's great because now
[TS]
01:32:03
◼
►
the budget for the assets that we have
[TS]
01:32:04
◼
►
to make all the voice-acting everything
[TS]
01:32:05
◼
►
isn't that big
[TS]
01:32:06
◼
►
and so here you go and I think people of
[TS]
01:32:08
◼
►
critics and players have proven they
[TS]
01:32:10
◼
►
like this type of game so i hope you see
[TS]
01:32:12
◼
►
more of in the future because it's
[TS]
01:32:13
◼
►
preferable to you know is the only other
[TS]
01:32:15
◼
►
option 200 million dollar GTA or a
[TS]
01:32:17
◼
►
really really crappy 10 our game I would
[TS]
01:32:20
◼
►
brother had this yeah i agree i I and as
[TS]
01:32:22
◼
►
somebody who like i said i have that
[TS]
01:32:24
◼
►
whole thing about I'm gonna buy this
[TS]
01:32:25
◼
►
game and I'm gonna play it for I'm gonna
[TS]
01:32:27
◼
►
play it for five or ten hours anyway
[TS]
01:32:29
◼
►
that's that's the most remember what do
[TS]
01:32:30
◼
►
so I would be happy to pay fifteen or
[TS]
01:32:33
◼
►
twenty dollars for a three-hour game
[TS]
01:32:35
◼
►
experience and then if I really really
[TS]
01:32:37
◼
►
like it then I'll go back into
[TS]
01:32:39
◼
►
achievements or things like that i mean
[TS]
01:32:40
◼
►
i play journey through three or four
[TS]
01:32:42
◼
►
my daughter was playing journey this
[TS]
01:32:43
◼
►
morning my wife's play journey all the
[TS]
01:32:45
◼
►
way through a couple of times i'm a
[TS]
01:32:47
◼
►
couple James away from getting the white
[TS]
01:32:49
◼
►
robe which is the last thing I wanted to
[TS]
01:32:50
◼
►
do in journey promote my daughter was
[TS]
01:32:52
◼
►
playing it today and singing to do you
[TS]
01:32:54
◼
►
know what a guy as they were going up
[TS]
01:32:56
◼
►
the mountain and it was great it was you
[TS]
01:32:58
◼
►
know do you see yourself playing
[TS]
01:32:59
◼
►
brothers again
[TS]
01:33:00
◼
►
uh no no no they're not going to play it
[TS]
01:33:04
◼
►
that way back in and played it to get
[TS]
01:33:06
◼
►
all the little side things and now i
[TS]
01:33:07
◼
►
feel like i've experienced everything in
[TS]
01:33:09
◼
►
that game so i don't think i need to do
[TS]
01:33:11
◼
►
that i might read about the side things
[TS]
01:33:13
◼
►
and if the side things sound interesting
[TS]
01:33:15
◼
►
maybe i would go back but i think it's
[TS]
01:33:16
◼
►
unlikely i'd actually rather play
[TS]
01:33:18
◼
►
journey again but i mean i don't think
[TS]
01:33:20
◼
►
i'll go back and play gone home again I
[TS]
01:33:22
◼
►
think I got everything you know about
[TS]
01:33:24
◼
►
that but you know yeah i won't i won't
[TS]
01:33:26
◼
►
play gone home again i met i will
[TS]
01:33:27
◼
►
probably have my son play through this
[TS]
01:33:29
◼
►
when I think he's old enough to handle
[TS]
01:33:30
◼
►
and appreciate it but I won't play
[TS]
01:33:32
◼
►
through it again but interestingly i
[TS]
01:33:33
◼
►
have played three co more than one time
[TS]
01:33:35
◼
►
and not because I'm getting like you
[TS]
01:33:37
◼
►
know I've done everything in that game a
[TS]
01:33:39
◼
►
million times but just because it's kind
[TS]
01:33:41
◼
►
of like watching a movie you've seen
[TS]
01:33:42
◼
►
over and over again and like you've got
[TS]
01:33:44
◼
►
home was just like a little bit better
[TS]
01:33:46
◼
►
maybe that would be the experience many
[TS]
01:33:47
◼
►
people do have that experience of like I
[TS]
01:33:48
◼
►
just wanted I know exactly what's gonna
[TS]
01:33:50
◼
►
happen this movie but i just want to
[TS]
01:33:51
◼
►
watch it again because such a ride i
[TS]
01:33:52
◼
►
play eco every couple of years over
[TS]
01:33:55
◼
►
again just because i love the experience
[TS]
01:33:56
◼
►
of playing the game even though I know
[TS]
01:33:57
◼
►
everything that's going to happen i
[TS]
01:33:58
◼
►
almost never play a narrative game again
[TS]
01:34:01
◼
►
the second time I just it's in some ways
[TS]
01:34:03
◼
►
it's so much so involving and so so much
[TS]
01:34:06
◼
►
work to go through it that you know i
[TS]
01:34:08
◼
►
just kind of find a kind of training and
[TS]
01:34:10
◼
►
the idea of like starting over again is
[TS]
01:34:12
◼
►
to me very very like oh god I don't
[TS]
01:34:14
◼
►
think I can take that especially when I
[TS]
01:34:16
◼
►
know where the plot goes even games were
[TS]
01:34:18
◼
►
like mass effect where you can change
[TS]
01:34:19
◼
►
the outcome I just effect mass effect
[TS]
01:34:21
◼
►
it's a little bit longer and play well
[TS]
01:34:23
◼
►
yeah I'm just saying I yeah a lot of
[TS]
01:34:25
◼
►
those games i just have trouble going
[TS]
01:34:26
◼
►
back to i mean the games that I play
[TS]
01:34:28
◼
►
over and over again more games with like
[TS]
01:34:29
◼
►
multiplayer stuff for you know it seems
[TS]
01:34:31
◼
►
they're more like
[TS]
01:34:32
◼
►
no sport games right perhaps but like
[TS]
01:34:34
◼
►
you know prince of persia it's like all
[TS]
01:34:35
◼
►
right I can try and like beat this right
[TS]
01:34:37
◼
►
like it farther in this game than I have
[TS]
01:34:39
◼
►
before what have you and i'm in the
[TS]
01:34:41
◼
►
replay the replay camp for sure because
[TS]
01:34:43
◼
►
i am in the midst of playing grim
[TS]
01:34:45
◼
►
fandango for like the fifth time right
[TS]
01:34:46
◼
►
now and just fantastic experience every
[TS]
01:34:49
◼
►
single time that these two probably not
[TS]
01:34:52
◼
►
so much
[TS]
01:34:53
◼
►
you know I rarely have wanted to go back
[TS]
01:34:55
◼
►
and reread are you there god it's me
[TS]
01:34:57
◼
►
margaret either so yeah i reckin fourth
[TS]
01:35:01
◼
►
grade nothing like 10 * well I do love
[TS]
01:35:03
◼
►
that one
[TS]
01:35:03
◼
►
if this had been more of in that vein I
[TS]
01:35:05
◼
►
would probably have played twice already
[TS]
01:35:08
◼
►
yeah i think the only games that I've
[TS]
01:35:09
◼
►
replayed regularly the LucasArts
[TS]
01:35:11
◼
►
adventure games like secret of monkey
[TS]
01:35:12
◼
►
island group and grim fandango and
[TS]
01:35:14
◼
►
things like that but yeah kind of like
[TS]
01:35:16
◼
►
chase and I have enough games and
[TS]
01:35:17
◼
►
haven't finished or haven't even got to
[TS]
01:35:18
◼
►
start yet that you know multiplayer is
[TS]
01:35:20
◼
►
really the only thing that gets me going
[TS]
01:35:21
◼
►
back to it i still have to finish eco
[TS]
01:35:23
◼
►
yeah you can start that over again it's
[TS]
01:35:25
◼
►
only 10 hours it's not like this we shit
[TS]
01:35:27
◼
►
shadow of the colossus to ego is the ego
[TS]
01:35:30
◼
►
is the old version of journey like in
[TS]
01:35:31
◼
►
terms of wow it's so short but it but
[TS]
01:35:33
◼
►
now compared to the actual to our
[TS]
01:35:35
◼
►
journey game I'll 10 hours that's like a
[TS]
01:35:37
◼
►
full game shadow I i continue to think
[TS]
01:35:39
◼
►
you'll never make it through but i wish
[TS]
01:35:41
◼
►
i wish you luck
[TS]
01:35:42
◼
►
it is long thanks thanks John it isn't
[TS]
01:35:44
◼
►
it is not short and there is you will
[TS]
01:35:46
◼
►
get frustrated and yeah which will be
[TS]
01:35:49
◼
►
said but like it has a higher skill
[TS]
01:35:50
◼
►
barrier than equals which is why i
[TS]
01:35:52
◼
►
totally recommend equal to almost
[TS]
01:35:53
◼
►
anybody and then shadow it's like with
[TS]
01:35:55
◼
►
your gamer you should play but if you're
[TS]
01:35:57
◼
►
not it's gonna burn you screw that huh
[TS]
01:36:01
◼
►
you should let you should like the first
[TS]
01:36:02
◼
►
the first level or 10 hours a boss
[TS]
01:36:04
◼
►
fights will wear on the end
[TS]
01:36:06
◼
►
yeah yeah that's yeah but will wear a
[TS]
01:36:09
◼
►
non-gamer but the first one is worth
[TS]
01:36:10
◼
►
experiencing and it's kind of a shame
[TS]
01:36:11
◼
►
you can't hear myself and everyone at
[TS]
01:36:13
◼
►
those that sounds like wearing on meat
[TS]
01:36:14
◼
►
now I get sound too terrible to me at
[TS]
01:36:16
◼
►
first i was like i love those you guys
[TS]
01:36:18
◼
►
made the second game it's all boss
[TS]
01:36:19
◼
►
fights I hate boss fights why would you
[TS]
01:36:21
◼
►
ever and then I'd like okay I get it and
[TS]
01:36:23
◼
►
it enjoyed it
[TS]
01:36:24
◼
►
yeah it is its yeah alright I i
[TS]
01:36:27
◼
►
recommend it
[TS]
01:36:28
◼
►
hey before we go I want to ask everybody
[TS]
01:36:31
◼
►
like we do with our book club we well I
[TS]
01:36:34
◼
►
I ask you what are you reading but that
[TS]
01:36:36
◼
►
would be very off topic for an episode
[TS]
01:36:38
◼
►
developed video games so how about what
[TS]
01:36:40
◼
►
are you playing Dan Morgan what are you
[TS]
01:36:43
◼
►
playing you know I'm a standstill this
[TS]
01:36:46
◼
►
Marco panelists Tony similar because the
[TS]
01:36:48
◼
►
the beginning I just played or we're
[TS]
01:36:50
◼
►
almost done with which we are playing
[TS]
01:36:51
◼
►
multiplayer is a game called monaco
[TS]
01:36:52
◼
►
which is super super fun and you should
[TS]
01:36:54
◼
►
pick it up things on steam as well as
[TS]
01:36:56
◼
►
experts like a multiplayer you know
[TS]
01:36:59
◼
►
yeah I co-simulation you do like slots
[TS]
01:37:02
◼
►
and baccarat less of that more of
[TS]
01:37:04
◼
►
robbing things blind super fun game that
[TS]
01:37:07
◼
►
like sort of follows a bunch of high
[TS]
01:37:09
◼
►
strokes like you have different
[TS]
01:37:09
◼
►
characters like a locksmith and the guy
[TS]
01:37:11
◼
►
knocks people out and look out and
[TS]
01:37:13
◼
►
they'll have special powers and the top
[TS]
01:37:14
◼
►
down very stylized game but it's a lot
[TS]
01:37:17
◼
►
of fun great multiplayer I mean one of
[TS]
01:37:21
◼
►
the better multiplayer experiences I've
[TS]
01:37:22
◼
►
had a really really long time and yeah I
[TS]
01:37:25
◼
►
i highly recommend it it's not too long
[TS]
01:37:27
◼
►
not super stylized to like that's the
[TS]
01:37:29
◼
►
thing that yes even trying to figure out
[TS]
01:37:32
◼
►
the total and that's that's interesting
[TS]
01:37:35
◼
►
to it again we gamers if you played tons
[TS]
01:37:37
◼
►
of games with people look like people
[TS]
01:37:38
◼
►
like wow this does not look like games
[TS]
01:37:40
◼
►
and once you figure it out it all has a
[TS]
01:37:42
◼
►
language that kind of makes sense
[TS]
01:37:44
◼
►
you see the matrix is like all that you
[TS]
01:37:46
◼
►
stop seeing the big blocks you starting
[TS]
01:37:47
◼
►
seeing people
[TS]
01:37:49
◼
►
yeah that's cool i like it a lot Monica
[TS]
01:37:52
◼
►
ok now we go to game i'm also playing it
[TS]
01:37:56
◼
►
yeah Donny Tony Tony what else are you
[TS]
01:37:59
◼
►
playing or anything
[TS]
01:38:00
◼
►
um I've been playing Monica with gotta
[TS]
01:38:02
◼
►
go that's great i just finished
[TS]
01:38:05
◼
►
Assassin's Creed 3 which came out like a
[TS]
01:38:07
◼
►
year ago but obviously I was just
[TS]
01:38:09
◼
►
tearing through but it's an ok game i'm
[TS]
01:38:11
◼
►
trying to clear through my
[TS]
01:38:13
◼
►
embarrassingly large backlog so i can
[TS]
01:38:14
◼
►
play the new Grand Theft Auto but i have
[TS]
01:38:16
◼
►
two big backlog of my new games and I've
[TS]
01:38:19
◼
►
been playing a bunch of games on my iPad
[TS]
01:38:20
◼
►
recently the they came out with a new
[TS]
01:38:22
◼
►
version of small world that is has
[TS]
01:38:23
◼
►
multiplayer instead of just passing play
[TS]
01:38:25
◼
►
and that's been playing that i have
[TS]
01:38:27
◼
►
about seven or eight games a small world
[TS]
01:38:28
◼
►
going at any time I don't know Sony what
[TS]
01:38:30
◼
►
the hell
[TS]
01:38:31
◼
►
smallworlds you know if there is a board
[TS]
01:38:33
◼
►
game of that which I owned and play
[TS]
01:38:34
◼
►
previously and the absolutely the iOS
[TS]
01:38:37
◼
►
version of it is just great because it
[TS]
01:38:38
◼
►
does the the score keeping for you and
[TS]
01:38:40
◼
►
it you know it makes the rule
[TS]
01:38:42
◼
►
ok simpler by enforcing them in a game
[TS]
01:38:44
◼
►
state so you could as opposed to like
[TS]
01:38:46
◼
►
setting up and playing small world would
[TS]
01:38:47
◼
►
easily taken our this you can play a
[TS]
01:38:49
◼
►
game and you know 15 minutes on or you
[TS]
01:38:51
◼
►
know you play it one move a day over the
[TS]
01:38:53
◼
►
course of multiple days so I'm playing a
[TS]
01:38:55
◼
►
lot of that enjoy that
[TS]
01:38:56
◼
►
that means all right Steve what are you
[TS]
01:38:59
◼
►
playing can't believe it took you a year
[TS]
01:39:01
◼
►
to get the assassins creed 3 tony you
[TS]
01:39:04
◼
►
know I played all the other ones and I i
[TS]
01:39:06
◼
►
started playing assassin's creed 3 and
[TS]
01:39:07
◼
►
it did not grab me as much as the other
[TS]
01:39:10
◼
►
ones there's some interesting stuff in
[TS]
01:39:12
◼
►
there but it's a little bloated in terms
[TS]
01:39:14
◼
►
of having all this stuff that you can do
[TS]
01:39:16
◼
►
like you know you can be you know the
[TS]
01:39:19
◼
►
famous assassin or you can spend a lot
[TS]
01:39:21
◼
►
of time managing your like you know
[TS]
01:39:22
◼
►
merchants there's a whole merchant
[TS]
01:39:24
◼
►
minigame in here and I'm like why am I
[TS]
01:39:25
◼
►
doing this but I need to do this to earn
[TS]
01:39:27
◼
►
money so i can unlock the next thing and
[TS]
01:39:28
◼
►
ya didn't grab me but you do get to cut
[TS]
01:39:31
◼
►
out George Washington at the end so I
[TS]
01:39:33
◼
►
like that
[TS]
01:39:34
◼
►
well I just finished Ultima 5 that only
[TS]
01:39:38
◼
►
took me 25 years
[TS]
01:39:39
◼
►
yeah well I've never finished altima 4dr
[TS]
01:39:43
◼
►
going to start with we're back in the
[TS]
01:39:44
◼
►
day but I went to the Avatar i decided i
[TS]
01:39:48
◼
►
have to finish all of them except
[TS]
01:39:50
◼
►
perhaps for eight and 9i might not
[TS]
01:39:53
◼
►
necessarily have to deal with us if they
[TS]
01:39:55
◼
►
did not did not sound like they were
[TS]
01:39:56
◼
►
true to the ultimate mythos or gameplay
[TS]
01:39:59
◼
►
but at any rate finished altima five and
[TS]
01:40:03
◼
►
right now since it's a the halloween
[TS]
01:40:05
◼
►
season i finally got around to starting
[TS]
01:40:08
◼
►
diablo 3 is whichever yeah it's Diablo
[TS]
01:40:11
◼
►
slightly slightly dumped down from the
[TS]
01:40:14
◼
►
previous feel like looking
[TS]
01:40:15
◼
►
yeah whole lot of clicking hope you
[TS]
01:40:17
◼
►
enjoy carpal tunnel and it looks nice
[TS]
01:40:20
◼
►
that isolated monster is nice looking
[TS]
01:40:22
◼
►
game although not as nice as i was
[TS]
01:40:23
◼
►
expecting given well I mean it's still
[TS]
01:40:25
◼
►
Diablo that's it that's true that's true
[TS]
01:40:28
◼
►
so i'm having some fun with that at the
[TS]
01:40:31
◼
►
same time I'm starting up another replay
[TS]
01:40:34
◼
►
of Silent Hill 3 which is probably the
[TS]
01:40:38
◼
►
scariest of of the Silent Hill games at
[TS]
01:40:41
◼
►
least the ones that I've played which i
[TS]
01:40:45
◼
►
highly recommend for anybody who really
[TS]
01:40:47
◼
►
wants a good haunted town game not just
[TS]
01:40:50
◼
►
a haunted house and yeah that's a good
[TS]
01:40:54
◼
►
probably fourth or fifth replay of that
[TS]
01:40:56
◼
►
and it still scares the crap out of me
[TS]
01:40:58
◼
►
every single time and as mentioned i'm
[TS]
01:41:01
◼
►
also trucking through grim fandango
[TS]
01:41:03
◼
►
again because you got team every once in
[TS]
01:41:06
◼
►
what is that a-what can you play that on
[TS]
01:41:08
◼
►
right now
[TS]
01:41:09
◼
►
that did they put that to modern systems
[TS]
01:41:10
◼
►
now you gonna you got to do some dosbox
[TS]
01:41:13
◼
►
foo i didn't even talk to have checked
[TS]
01:41:16
◼
►
good old games to see if they've got a
[TS]
01:41:18
◼
►
version of that but because a bunch of
[TS]
01:41:20
◼
►
the classic LucasArts adventures they
[TS]
01:41:21
◼
►
ported for some of them are even
[TS]
01:41:22
◼
►
available for iOS like Secret of Monkey
[TS]
01:41:24
◼
►
Island but not not all of them
[TS]
01:41:27
◼
►
grim fandango is a great one it's
[TS]
01:41:29
◼
►
fantastic probably the best adventure
[TS]
01:41:31
◼
►
game i think all told you know story and
[TS]
01:41:35
◼
►
puzzles and everything combined it's
[TS]
01:41:36
◼
►
probably best that I've ever played and
[TS]
01:41:38
◼
►
I played a lot i like that i think i
[TS]
01:41:40
◼
►
like the little slightly wackier ones
[TS]
01:41:42
◼
►
that like salmon max but Griffin it was
[TS]
01:41:44
◼
►
a great game there's a lot of wackiness
[TS]
01:41:45
◼
►
though in grim fandango probably more
[TS]
01:41:47
◼
►
than I remember I remember
[TS]
01:41:49
◼
►
yeah just having the guy who played not
[TS]
01:41:52
◼
►
el guapo but his his sidekick who asks
[TS]
01:41:55
◼
►
about the or who who says there's a
[TS]
01:41:57
◼
►
plethora of pinatas without actually
[TS]
01:41:59
◼
►
knowing what a plethora is as the main
[TS]
01:42:01
◼
►
characters voice is is a huge boon is
[TS]
01:42:04
◼
►
he's he's hilarious for anyone
[TS]
01:42:07
◼
►
unfamiliar contango grim fandango is
[TS]
01:42:08
◼
►
film noir meets Mexican Day of the Dead
[TS]
01:42:11
◼
►
and you're basically a kind of a travel
[TS]
01:42:15
◼
►
agent for the dead who get your affected
[TS]
01:42:16
◼
►
your rewrite a murder mystery you know
[TS]
01:42:19
◼
►
except it's an interesting murder
[TS]
01:42:21
◼
►
mystery because everyone's dead
[TS]
01:42:24
◼
►
I fantastic game if any of you have not
[TS]
01:42:26
◼
►
played that i highly recommend you seek
[TS]
01:42:28
◼
►
that out because it is literally other
[TS]
01:42:30
◼
►
probably in my top three games ever
[TS]
01:42:33
◼
►
yeah that's that's right didn't sell
[TS]
01:42:35
◼
►
very well because it came out in 1998 at
[TS]
01:42:37
◼
►
the same year that I starcraft and
[TS]
01:42:39
◼
►
half-life game
[TS]
01:42:39
◼
►
ok so Tim Schafer though you can't go
[TS]
01:42:41
◼
►
wrong I'm Schaefer so if you're playing
[TS]
01:42:45
◼
►
against even the video game draft yes we
[TS]
01:42:48
◼
►
do some crazy like that video games are
[TS]
01:42:50
◼
►
at early
[TS]
01:42:51
◼
►
yeah you're sad and happy at the same
[TS]
01:42:53
◼
►
time John circular what are you playing
[TS]
01:42:56
◼
►
so I'm going through the HD remake of
[TS]
01:42:59
◼
►
wind maker which is a game is the first
[TS]
01:43:01
◼
►
of the game that I had my son play and
[TS]
01:43:03
◼
►
he's played through it many many times i
[TS]
01:43:04
◼
►
played through many many times I don't
[TS]
01:43:06
◼
►
know if I would be interested in going
[TS]
01:43:07
◼
►
through it again
[TS]
01:43:08
◼
►
but they changed enough things that i
[TS]
01:43:10
◼
►
mentioned the first of all looks looks
[TS]
01:43:11
◼
►
really nice and it looks different than
[TS]
01:43:13
◼
►
the original game not just because HD
[TS]
01:43:16
◼
►
but because they change the graphics a
[TS]
01:43:18
◼
►
little bit as well just a little bit and
[TS]
01:43:19
◼
►
just it comes off differently but it
[TS]
01:43:21
◼
►
does make me do it is appreciate how
[TS]
01:43:23
◼
►
amazing the original games graphics
[TS]
01:43:24
◼
►
cards i think now it's slightly less
[TS]
01:43:26
◼
►
pure than it was but it's very pretty
[TS]
01:43:28
◼
►
looking
[TS]
01:43:29
◼
►
oh but I have complaints about this
[TS]
01:43:31
◼
►
remake mostly having to do what you
[TS]
01:43:33
◼
►
really get the control know you have
[TS]
01:43:35
◼
►
time look nice
[TS]
01:43:36
◼
►
I so wish I could play this game with
[TS]
01:43:38
◼
►
the original controller because they be
[TS]
01:43:40
◼
►
the gamepad and the pro controller both
[TS]
01:43:43
◼
►
we have both of them we tried both of
[TS]
01:43:45
◼
►
them either one of them comes close to
[TS]
01:43:47
◼
►
the experience of playing the game with
[TS]
01:43:48
◼
►
the original controller and the menu
[TS]
01:43:50
◼
►
systems all god how many times I have to
[TS]
01:43:51
◼
►
go to those menus like I guess it's nice
[TS]
01:43:53
◼
►
to be using the touchpad all I can look
[TS]
01:43:55
◼
►
at his touch or whatever but that I find
[TS]
01:43:57
◼
►
that slower than the muscle memory of
[TS]
01:43:59
◼
►
like going into the screen and picking
[TS]
01:44:01
◼
►
an item and coming back out quickly
[TS]
01:44:02
◼
►
continually frustrated but that's every
[TS]
01:44:04
◼
►
time I had to to visit the the inventory
[TS]
01:44:07
◼
►
stranger or deal with the control system
[TS]
01:44:09
◼
►
it's frustrating but the game looks
[TS]
01:44:10
◼
►
beautiful and they changed the game just
[TS]
01:44:12
◼
►
enough to get rid of the super annoying
[TS]
01:44:14
◼
►
things like we have a new sale that
[TS]
01:44:15
◼
►
makes you go twice as fast and that
[TS]
01:44:16
◼
►
makes that makes a lot of difference i
[TS]
01:44:18
◼
►
was going to say I always felt like that
[TS]
01:44:19
◼
►
game was padded with having a sale over
[TS]
01:44:22
◼
►
here that's a light game I like the
[TS]
01:44:24
◼
►
sailing and I I always thought they
[TS]
01:44:25
◼
►
should have condensed into like in the
[TS]
01:44:28
◼
►
middle of this game is one big massive
[TS]
01:44:29
◼
►
sea journey that you feel a sense of
[TS]
01:44:31
◼
►
accomplishment with after having
[TS]
01:44:33
◼
►
completed but they didn't do that is
[TS]
01:44:35
◼
►
that it's a bunch of series of small
[TS]
01:44:36
◼
►
trips but I if you've never played the
[TS]
01:44:38
◼
►
game I almost say that you should like
[TS]
01:44:40
◼
►
get a gamecube or our game compatible we
[TS]
01:44:43
◼
►
and play the original instead of the HD
[TS]
01:44:45
◼
►
remake which I usually don't say about
[TS]
01:44:46
◼
►
HD remakes but this year it does feel
[TS]
01:44:49
◼
►
like a different game and it feels like
[TS]
01:44:50
◼
►
a game made for people who played the
[TS]
01:44:52
◼
►
first game was just fine i'm one of
[TS]
01:44:54
◼
►
those people but that's the only
[TS]
01:44:55
◼
►
reservation i would say is if you've
[TS]
01:44:57
◼
►
never played the original game your i
[TS]
01:44:59
◼
►
would say play the original games you
[TS]
01:45:01
◼
►
have played the original game it's worth
[TS]
01:45:02
◼
►
getting this to revisit it with a little
[TS]
01:45:05
◼
►
where does that rank is as far as your
[TS]
01:45:06
◼
►
favorite little games don't you think
[TS]
01:45:08
◼
►
ah it if fluctuates because it and it is
[TS]
01:45:12
◼
►
wrapped up a little bit of my sons and
[TS]
01:45:13
◼
►
like the cars movie it's not my number
[TS]
01:45:16
◼
►
one for sure at it's like fighting two
[TS]
01:45:19
◼
►
and three maybe
[TS]
01:45:21
◼
►
twilight princess keeps going up as i
[TS]
01:45:23
◼
►
get older
[TS]
01:45:25
◼
►
by the way that in the reference to HD
[TS]
01:45:27
◼
►
remakes stay the hell away from the
[TS]
01:45:29
◼
►
silent hill 2 and 3 HD ram not that you
[TS]
01:45:32
◼
►
guys are going to rush out and buy him
[TS]
01:45:33
◼
►
anything but wow did they do a
[TS]
01:45:36
◼
►
screwed-up job on that poor yeah those
[TS]
01:45:38
◼
►
are really like HD HD remix out there
[TS]
01:45:40
◼
►
just like we got the game to run on a
[TS]
01:45:42
◼
►
newer system basically and it turns out
[TS]
01:45:44
◼
►
that they had I think some some early
[TS]
01:45:46
◼
►
code before had fully been debugged but
[TS]
01:45:48
◼
►
i think the biggest problem is that they
[TS]
01:45:49
◼
►
that team silent when they made those
[TS]
01:45:51
◼
►
games they really did some weird things
[TS]
01:45:54
◼
►
with the hardware and I think that that
[TS]
01:45:56
◼
►
one of the crucial components of the
[TS]
01:45:57
◼
►
Silent Hill games is the fog
[TS]
01:46:03
◼
►
man walked right into that one day they
[TS]
01:46:10
◼
►
failed utterly to render the fog
[TS]
01:46:12
◼
►
properly in these remakes and I think
[TS]
01:46:14
◼
►
it's because they were doing something
[TS]
01:46:15
◼
►
just really bizarre with the hardware to
[TS]
01:46:17
◼
►
make it work properly and it was trying
[TS]
01:46:20
◼
►
to make it work with the the playstation
[TS]
01:46:22
◼
►
3 graphics hardware just was beyond the
[TS]
01:46:24
◼
►
Ken of these Porter's I think they had a
[TS]
01:46:25
◼
►
lot of budget to work with anyway but
[TS]
01:46:29
◼
►
yeah I mean that the game is pretty much
[TS]
01:46:31
◼
►
completely ruined too far more than
[TS]
01:46:33
◼
►
three but yeah if you feel that you want
[TS]
01:46:36
◼
►
to get into the Silent Hill universe
[TS]
01:46:38
◼
►
stay the hell away from the thinking
[TS]
01:46:40
◼
►
high-def remakes because it actually
[TS]
01:46:42
◼
►
they actually have destroyed the game
[TS]
01:46:44
◼
►
it amazes me that you love these old
[TS]
01:46:45
◼
►
games so much it seems that such a low
[TS]
01:46:47
◼
►
tolerance for like the gameplay tropes
[TS]
01:46:48
◼
►
my god gone home with Judy Blume book in
[TS]
01:46:51
◼
►
the skate like you're such a grumpy old
[TS]
01:46:52
◼
►
man with the gameplay trailer so you go
[TS]
01:46:54
◼
►
back to play these games and they have
[TS]
01:46:55
◼
►
so many creepy things number of the
[TS]
01:46:57
◼
►
control scheme to like the the gameplay
[TS]
01:46:59
◼
►
mechanics limited limited by the
[TS]
01:47:00
◼
►
technology of the time but you're
[TS]
01:47:02
◼
►
totally tolerant of those but any new
[TS]
01:47:03
◼
►
game that comes out not taking that crap
[TS]
01:47:05
◼
►
from this game
[TS]
01:47:06
◼
►
well I can appreciate them for for
[TS]
01:47:08
◼
►
having played them when they were out so
[TS]
01:47:10
◼
►
you know I can forgive a game that's 15
[TS]
01:47:12
◼
►
years old for playing like 15 year-old
[TS]
01:47:14
◼
►
John you would never be critical of a
[TS]
01:47:16
◼
►
movie where they went back and redid
[TS]
01:47:18
◼
►
certain scenes and smooth you know
[TS]
01:47:20
◼
►
improved graphics and stuff like that
[TS]
01:47:22
◼
►
right now that's as i wrote I wrote a
[TS]
01:47:25
◼
►
blog post about this why why do I hate
[TS]
01:47:26
◼
►
the prequels and make this ball is
[TS]
01:47:28
◼
►
different why don't the special editions
[TS]
01:47:30
◼
►
and I'm don't hate remakes of video
[TS]
01:47:32
◼
►
games and i wrote a whole blog post
[TS]
01:47:33
◼
►
about it now if you're just joining us
[TS]
01:47:35
◼
►
this is our for of hypercritical he's
[TS]
01:47:38
◼
►
not so if you were to go to
[TS]
01:47:39
◼
►
hypercritical taco and read my post
[TS]
01:47:41
◼
►
about the winwaker remake you would
[TS]
01:47:43
◼
►
learn all about it which we remake is
[TS]
01:47:46
◼
►
that we can remember it for you
[TS]
01:47:47
◼
►
wholesale that you got it i read that
[TS]
01:47:49
◼
►
months but when the game was announced
[TS]
01:47:50
◼
►
before the game actually came out and
[TS]
01:47:52
◼
►
explains in detail why I think game
[TS]
01:47:55
◼
►
remakes are more acceptable to me then
[TS]
01:47:57
◼
►
going back and changing a movie
[TS]
01:47:59
◼
►
alright the short answer is i can still
[TS]
01:48:01
◼
►
play the original winwaker boom George
[TS]
01:48:03
◼
►
Lucas Jason what are you playing right
[TS]
01:48:06
◼
►
dan I'm playing like some some
[TS]
01:48:08
◼
►
battleship
[TS]
01:48:09
◼
►
whenever quality stuff there maybe maybe
[TS]
01:48:13
◼
►
words with friends stratego ya little
[TS]
01:48:17
◼
►
minesweeper little solitaire some mario
[TS]
01:48:21
◼
►
kart wii long little mancala go away
[TS]
01:48:24
◼
►
thanks war
[TS]