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169: A Man with a Long Scarf

 

00:00:00   the incomparable episode 169 november [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/0">TS</a>]

00:00:23   2013moe welcome back everybody the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/23">TS</a>]

00:00:32   uncomfortable in your host Jason snail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   and we're here because 50 years ago some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/34">TS</a>]

00:00:38   very clever people in England created a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   very strange interesting television show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   that has against all odds survived with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/44">TS</a>]

00:00:49   a few bare spots here and there has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/49">TS</a>]

00:00:53   survived into the 21st century and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/53">TS</a>]

00:00:56   course talking about Doctor Who which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/56">TS</a>]

00:00:57   turns 50 this very weak and joining me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/57">TS</a>]

00:01:02   to talk in general about Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   we're just gonna geek out about Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/64">TS</a>]

00:01:05   Who for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/65">TS</a>]

00:01:06   that's what this is going to be so get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/66">TS</a>]

00:01:07   ready I've got some wonderful guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   that i've i've put together who have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   relationship with Doctor Who that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   back a little bit longer than 2005 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   believe in the Russell T Davis revival [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   you know I'm you remember him from many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   past episodes he's not on as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   used because he's very busy but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   here tonight it's going fleischmann hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/87">TS</a>]

00:01:27   I please state the nature of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   medical emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/89">TS</a>]

00:01:30   no you got the wrong free trial you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   killin me you're your recent Steve let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   think in Babylon 5 as part of Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   this is part of my crossover dark heresy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   heresy everywhere yet is it is we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   already were off so far off the rails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   you can't even see them from here that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   Voice you heard is chip chip are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/105">TS</a>]

00:01:46   going by your your full name now or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/106">TS</a>]

00:01:49   just chip TV strip I'm out of the closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51   i'm out of the blue closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   my name is chip sudderth and I'm hosted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   the 2-minute Time Lord podcast right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/115">TS</a>]

00:01:56   used to be that cheap guy now he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   chips out of host of the excellent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   mint of Time Lord podcast i love it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/120">TS</a>]

00:02:01   also love short podcasts and the two men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   Time Lord generally delivers not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/123">TS</a>]

00:02:07   but generally delivers on the 2-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08   promise i love that it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   I i disclaim heavily when when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   doesn't deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   around that and and Jason Mann say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   you're a beautiful podcaster probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   thank you very much same believe this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   man and and Erica and sign is back as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   well she too appears on the Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   podcast in her case being Verity which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/145">TS</a>]

00:02:28   is another excellent doctor podcast that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   lives on my iphone in my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   podcasting app hi Erica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/152">TS</a>]

00:02:33   hello it's nice to be back Yes Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   Who podcasts all around but circular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   logic will only make you dizzy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   alright so here we go doctor-who it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/159">TS</a>]

00:02:43   show you may have heard of its it's from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/163">TS</a>]

00:02:47   the BBC it came on in November of 1963 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   and fifty years later it's still on now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   there was a time i have to admit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54   was a time when I I really believed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   it was never going to come back because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/177">TS</a>]

00:02:58   i remember when dr. went off the air in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/178">TS</a>]

00:03:02   what 1989-90 with sylvester mccoy which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/182">TS</a>]

00:03:07   I didn't you know believe it or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08   haven't even seen that last season of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   Sylvester McCoy I I never saw when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   went to college I I starting college in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   the fall of 88 and there was no like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   reliable TV and I never and I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19   i've i've never seen that last that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/199">TS</a>]

00:03:22   season but it was often it was gone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/202">TS</a>]

00:03:23   then there was the abortive attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25   bring it back on Fox that led to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/205">TS</a>]

00:03:28   the backdoor pilot that they shot with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   paul mcgann that basically any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   enthusiasm in the network so they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/212">TS</a>]

00:03:33   sort of burn it off and it was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/213">TS</a>]

00:03:36   picked up and it really looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/216">TS</a>]

00:03:37   doctor who was was dead dead dead and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/217">TS</a>]

00:03:40   always thought that you know that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   shame because we would have this 50th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43   anniversary we look back and say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   it's too bad that that old thing didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   make it and in fact instead we are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/227">TS</a>]

00:03:51   the midst of this avalanche of Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55   Who stuff for the 50th anniversary you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   can buy Doctor Who shirts at hot topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/237">TS</a>]

00:04:00   that kind of thing that all right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   but I my my son my son went as the 11th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/242">TS</a>]

00:04:08   doctor for halloween this year and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   went to school and was very happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/250">TS</a>]

00:04:13   point out and actually my wife took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16   picture and texted it to me at work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   he was not the only 11th doctor in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/258">TS</a>]

00:04:21   class my awesome bowties are cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/261">TS</a>]

00:04:26   and yeah fourth-graders like bowties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   fences it turns out so it's just I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/268">TS</a>]

00:04:31   kind of can't believe that we've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   to this point that this crazy show has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   has first time in America speaking as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38   as for people in in the united states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   that is taking off to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   you can buy Doctor Who shirts and hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/283">TS</a>]

00:04:44   topic and people seem to actually know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   what the show is because there was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/286">TS</a>]

00:04:47   time in the nineties where my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/287">TS</a>]

00:04:50   doctor who joke by the way i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   share it now which is how many doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/292">TS</a>]

00:04:55   who fans does it take to screw in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/295">TS</a>]

00:04:56   light bulb I don't know Jason how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   none they just sit in the dark and wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/298">TS</a>]

00:05:01   for it to come back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/301">TS</a>]

00:05:02   oh that's great joke instead it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   irrelevant now it's totally irrelevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   we can laugh about it now but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   a time in the middle in the nineties in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/309">TS</a>]

00:05:12   the early 2000s when it was painfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   true although to be fair to the those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/314">TS</a>]

00:05:17   folks who were doing something during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   that time there was an awful lot going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   on during the quote-unquote wilderness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   years they were novels there without Big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   Finish audios so it really wasn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   as as as dead as people thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   for me I i think actually the active of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/329">TS</a>]

00:05:33   graduating from high school and going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   off to college as the show was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   fading out it was this kind of double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   double fade out for me where I just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/339">TS</a>]

00:05:42   of wasn't even aware of anything until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/342">TS</a>]

00:05:46   i read somewhere in I guess 2004 that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   was coming back i remember the I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   visit that the BBC's cult section every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/351">TS</a>]

00:05:54   now and then write a great section that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   had Doctor Who in it even the BBC had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   filed doctor who are way under cult at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01   that point and then all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   there was this it's coming back banner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   and it was a and that was the Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   Russell Davis relaunch announcement that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   really started the ball the ball rolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   for for all the craziness that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/371">TS</a>]

00:06:14   today I think that the big finish audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/374">TS</a>]

00:06:17   and the the novel's those were the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/377">TS</a>]

00:06:20   wasn't there out of the mainstream I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   a huge Who fan and I kind of lost track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   of it and then it was gone and i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   i didn't know i mean pre-internet maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/386">TS</a>]

00:06:29   was harder to find you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/389">TS</a>]

00:06:30   especially stores or you'd be more tuned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/390">TS</a>]

00:06:33   into fan conventions and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/393">TS</a>]

00:06:34   that in America there's less going on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   any case but i don't think i was aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   until realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   silly recently you know certainly pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   the nineteen nineties how much was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   produced in those years so it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/403">TS</a>]

00:06:46   clear i mean i think there was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/406">TS</a>]

00:06:47   there was that effect to that even those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   of us who like the show if we didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/409">TS</a>]

00:06:52   the work we didn't know that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   still stuff being produced that was if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   not can at least you know close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   cannon that we probably would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/418">TS</a>]

00:06:59   enjoyed if you were British fan you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/419">TS</a>]

00:07:02   a little more access to that and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   were in America you had to be of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   star log consuming variety of science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/425">TS</a>]

00:07:10   fiction and I suppose or just like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   mom who would do anything to search of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   Doctor Who stuff but honestly she kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   of she read a few of the first new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   adventures novels i think with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/440">TS</a>]

00:07:21   seventh doctor and I think I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   it just didn't do it for her so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   didn't continue with it and since she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   didn't continue that I certainly wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/447">TS</a>]

00:07:28   gonna spend my own money on stuff so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   didn't really read them either so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32   put our part of history with this since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35   the show has 50 years of history and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/455">TS</a>]

00:07:38   last time I checked all of us are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   young groove and the show we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   about so far away with it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   uh I bit maybe I could ask each of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/465">TS</a>]

00:07:49   in turn for a little bit of your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/469">TS</a>]

00:07:50   story about how you initially discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/470">TS</a>]

00:07:54   that doctor who and then if a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   if you've got a story about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   wilderness years and if you if you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   of focused on other things and how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   kind of us snapback to it because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   we've got people participating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/485">TS</a>]

00:08:06   podcast about Doctor Who so obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/486">TS</a>]

00:08:07   that enthusiasm level came back if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   ever went away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   chip what about you how did you how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   you discover this this this crazy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   and and how'd you get where you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   today I discovered it in the traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/497">TS</a>]

00:08:21   manner of my forefathers which was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   fellow teenage geek in high school said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   there's this show on PBS in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/506">TS</a>]

00:08:29   afternoons on Saturdays and i discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/509">TS</a>]

00:08:32   the i discovered doctor who with Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   Davis and who was the fifth doctor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/515">TS</a>]

00:08:39   his episodes were airing sort of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   mid-eighties on PBS and at that time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/521">TS</a>]

00:08:46   was just starved for science fiction at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/526">TS</a>]

00:08:49   any at any level I'd take it was on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/529">TS</a>]

00:08:52   was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/532">TS</a>]

00:08:52   on an unusual time i noticed immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/532">TS</a>]

00:08:55   that the special effects weren't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/535">TS</a>]

00:08:58   up to the level of say Knight Rider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/538">TS</a>]

00:09:01   but but there it was still it was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/541">TS</a>]

00:09:05   new and different and an odd uh maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/545">TS</a>]

00:09:10   was the british accents maybe it was uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   the UH rapidly constantly rotating cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/552">TS</a>]

00:09:17   and Lord knows when I saw the app the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   fifth the five doctors the episode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   um that first reunited all of the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/563">TS</a>]

00:09:28   of them that what 20th anniversary right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/568">TS</a>]

00:09:31   yeah yeah the 20th anniversary in it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/571">TS</a>]

00:09:34   it first reunited all but all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/574">TS</a>]

00:09:38   doctors except for tom baker who got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   cameo when I first saw that I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/581">TS</a>]

00:09:45   amazed there was a there was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   multi dr. story before that but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   before my time so it might as well not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   have existed but there is a sense when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   watching the five doctors that was i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   watch that early on in my 10 years dr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57   fan too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/597">TS</a>]

00:09:58   there is a sense that there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/598">TS</a>]

00:09:59   yawning chasm of history that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   you know nothing about but you can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   that it's there and that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/604">TS</a>]

00:10:05   references are flying fast and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   people are relevant and as a as a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   watcher you're like I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   what's going on here but obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   there's a lot to know and learn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   that I have no idea what these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   references are at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/618">TS</a>]

00:10:19   indeed and I i kept up with it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/619">TS</a>]

00:10:22   college I remember watching sylvester [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   mccoy is remembrance of the Daleks on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   bootleg VHS tape that had been converted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   from powell to Wow ntsc and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/630">TS</a>]

00:10:33   other good stuff crowding in friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   dorm room to watch it but then the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/635">TS</a>]

00:10:39   disappeared and just like you I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   forgot about it my friend who got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   into the show noted the paul mcgann TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/644">TS</a>]

00:10:48   movie and I called my attention to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/648">TS</a>]

00:10:52   but i missed it and then it fell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   completely from my brain until until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/654">TS</a>]

00:10:58   rtd series came back and that was when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01   not only rediscovered the show but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02   absolutely fell in love with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   to be fair the eighth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   these was a televised sci-fi wasteland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/666">TS</a>]

00:11:11   the eighties and early nineties other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/671">TS</a>]

00:11:12   than like Star Trek The Next Generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   there were not a lot that was in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/674">TS</a>]

00:11:17   the mid-nineties there was sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   renaissance of like syndicated sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   series and the sci-fi channel and and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   bunch of stuff like that Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   but you know that before that period it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/685">TS</a>]

00:11:29   was kind of vacant and that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/689">TS</a>]

00:11:32   recollection of one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   that doctor who like you said kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   snag your attention was there wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39   lot like will you know when you're when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/699">TS</a>]

00:11:42   you're in the desert and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/702">TS</a>]

00:11:45   there's there's nothing to like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/705">TS</a>]

00:11:46   thirst as a kid especially as a sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   fan and you see some strange monster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/709">TS</a>]

00:11:52   a guy with a time machine you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53   wait wait a second what is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   so there's more of this there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   more of this let's let's do that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00   that you know there wasn't and i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   saying it in a derogatory way that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   wasn't anything else but certainly do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/723">TS</a>]

00:12:07   wasn't as if it was competing with 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   other shows that you could watch you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   like well hi this is a weird show i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/731">TS</a>]

00:12:12   haven't heard of forget about it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/732">TS</a>]

00:12:13   like there was nothing there were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   were so few shows and they would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   cancelled after four episodes and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   you feel about it after next one so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   was a part of it too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/742">TS</a>]

00:12:23   yeah i was i was otherwise getting my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   science fiction fix from anime like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   programs like Robotech and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/747">TS</a>]

00:12:30   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/750">TS</a>]

00:12:31   doctor-who yeah by comparison was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   respectable which wasn't exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/753">TS</a>]

00:12:36   reputation that had and britain at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/756">TS</a>]

00:12:37   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/757">TS</a>]

00:12:38   sure Erica what about you what's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/758">TS</a>]

00:12:39   what's your history with doctor who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/759">TS</a>]

00:12:42   mentioned your mother it was your mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/762">TS</a>]

00:12:43   a fan before you indeed well sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/763">TS</a>]

00:12:46   at the same time I i discovered it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   the manner of by your mother she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51   been she was a science-fiction fan from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   long before I was born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   I by saw Star Trek or Star Wars in utero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/774">TS</a>]

00:12:57   so I mean I was raised on the stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   I think the closest second figures i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   about five years old when Mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   stumbledupon doctor who on PBS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/784">TS</a>]

00:13:08   because she was a stay-at-home mom at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   the time I just watch whatever she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   watched and that was a lot of Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   so I grew up on it and i always tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   people that for me doctor who is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/799">TS</a>]

00:13:20   and I don't think people quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/800">TS</a>]

00:13:21   understand the degree to which this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   true for me it was almost like he was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/803">TS</a>]

00:13:24   uncle that just visited every week it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/804">TS</a>]

00:13:27   was such a it imprinted on me at such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   young age as part of the fabric of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   lives at that time and it was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/812">TS</a>]

00:13:35   favorite show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/815">TS</a>]

00:13:36   I'm my one of my good friends whom I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   still friends with to this day we met on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   the bus on the way to kindergarten and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   bonded because we were both fans of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/822">TS</a>]

00:13:43   Doctor Who so i mean that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   kind of lasting friendship that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   derive from from loving doctor who and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/828">TS</a>]

00:13:51   just grew up watching it and my mom was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/831">TS</a>]

00:13:54   such a hardcore fan she was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/834">TS</a>]

00:13:55   Doctor Who conventions when I was young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/835">TS</a>]

00:13:57   like other kids had parents who went on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/837">TS</a>]

00:14:00   you know business trips my mom would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   after dr. conventions and meet you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   Patrick Troughton and jon pertwee colin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   baker and Tom Baker I mean she met most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   of them at the time and I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/849">TS</a>]

00:14:12   jealous but I was too little to to tag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   along as far as she was concerned she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   wanted to go half have fun on her own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/856">TS</a>]

00:14:17   and like most kids when they reach a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/857">TS</a>]

00:14:21   certain age they sort of start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   staining their family a little bit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   that's kind of what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   I never disdain doctor who but I sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   fell off a little bit when I when I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/870">TS</a>]

00:14:33   to college and in late in high school we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   for me there was never really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/875">TS</a>]

00:14:38   wilderness years period because my mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   was such a crazy hardcore fan that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/880">TS</a>]

00:14:41   videotaped everything I mean there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/881">TS</a>]

00:14:44   time when the Super Bowl or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   was on and the same day as PBS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/886">TS</a>]

00:14:49   running a doctor who marathon and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   created quite a rift in our household [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   and eventually my mom just decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   rent a VCR because we didn't own one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/895">TS</a>]

00:14:58   those days rent a hotel room and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01   entire day taping doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/901">TS</a>]

00:15:04   so for me it was just always at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   fingertips but I dropped off for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   little while and then when I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   college I kind of got back on the horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/910">TS</a>]

00:15:13   a little bit because I began the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   grand tradition of proselytizing and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/915">TS</a>]

00:15:18   a couple of of roommates and friends in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/918">TS</a>]

00:15:21   college that I was like you guys are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23   geeky Star Trek fans you must watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   Doctor Who and I did such a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   that actually my my roommate Jeff when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/927">TS</a>]

00:15:30   the 1996 TV movie came out on Fox he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/930">TS</a>]

00:15:33   had an exam a college exam scheduled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   against it and so he went to the exam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37   filled in a little scantron sheet ABCD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   ABCD ABCD ABCD was out in 10 minutes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/939">TS</a>]

00:15:43   ran home to catch the most of the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   so that's one of my great achievements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/945">TS</a>]

00:15:50   in life is is turning on somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/950">TS</a>]

00:15:53   Doctor Who that much that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54   willing to fail an exam so it in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57   the in the wilderness years you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/957">TS</a>]

00:16:00   you say you never really left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   I really didn't too much it was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   maybe the late wilderness years because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/964">TS</a>]

00:16:07   after college when I got a real job that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   was when I sort of stopped taking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/970">TS</a>]

00:16:13   upon myself to rewatch the stories so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/973">TS</a>]

00:16:16   I went through a kind of a really long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/976">TS</a>]

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00:23:35   area so i feel like i have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:36   grounding in then we're going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   about about about good doctors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   favorite doctors in a bit but i'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:41   you my i'll give you my quick version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:45   this sketch I to discovered i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:48   clearly because I was in seventh grade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   so it would have been like 1983 1982-83 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:54   and I and I was flipping around on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   Saturday afternoon and on i want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   the PBS station from San Francisco kqed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   not the one from Sacramento which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   where i watch most my doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   there was a man in a long scarf climbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   up the side of what looked like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   a you know cardboard might have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   that tower and and being attacked by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17   guy in it like a tentacle in a in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:21   guy in a suit with a tentacle and uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   now know this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   power of Kroll that I was seeing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29   was again enthralled like what the heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   is this thing this is not like if other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   things on TV and I love science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:36   and let's let's see what it is and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:37   started to watch it and and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   channel nine the kqed broadcast were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:42   fuzzy where I was we lived about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   hundred miles away from San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:45   and also it's sporadic but it turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:49   that saturday nights on the other much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   closer station they would edit together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:54   an entire story in that omnibus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   collection and eric and and it was short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   they would do to so I so I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01   watching every Saturday night also not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   having anything else to do on a Saturday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   night and they played tom baker and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   think this was what PBS stations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   they play tom baker through and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:10   they played Tom Baker through again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   would get to lakopolous he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   regenerate the moment has been prepared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15   for and robots and your back to robot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:18   merely what the heck just happened now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:19   it's the early seventies again and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:22   was just cycle through those kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23   endlessly and then I remember knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:26   enough about it and I can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   remember how it must have been a starter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   log kind of thing finding out about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   Peter Davison is that as the fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:33   doctor and getting really excited when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   it cycled all the way back around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:37   look opolis that we would be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   shoot right on into the cast out and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:43   and of course then what happened was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:47   robot that it was spared from space we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   were back at with jon pertwee and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:50   like 'who so close and now it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   be forever before we work our way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   up to nineteen eighty-one because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:57   just went all the way back to nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:58   seventy da so you think that was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:02   watching the same stuff you were then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:03   sounds like they cycle because I well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05   today yeah i think what different media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   stations provide different packages but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:08   anyway eventually my PBS station locally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:11   did run through all of Peter Davison and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   then got to colin baker and like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:16   I i think i caught the first season and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:19   parts of the second season of of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   sylvester mccoy i adn't in the in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   school I definitely you might my fever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   reached its peak I i have attended three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:30   Doctor Who conventions in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   one of which was last year and I i went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   there to be on a panel with chip so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   thanks chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:37   you're welcome and any other two or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   I was in high school I went to one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:40   san jose and one in sacramento and i met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   patrick troughton actually what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:45   super awesome and that was right when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   the two doctors was coming out which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:48   his episode with cock with colin baker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   and yeah that was that was pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:53   stuff and actually one of the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   great reasons to go to a convention in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   those days if you time it right was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   you would see episodes that that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1618">TS</a>]

00:26:59   just not available in America and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   would bring the PAL tapes with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   just play up an episode you play a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:07   story in the middle of a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:08   convention hall and everybody would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   sit there and watch it which was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   crazy or possibly not available in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   UK either because the five doctors was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   actually shown the very first airing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   I didn't believe in chicago at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   convention there and the people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:22   UK where po2 very angry and then with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:25   the whole circulating the tapes thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:26   where i actually got their specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   episodes that I knew really well because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   I met somebody who in like I met a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:33   from Texas who sent me like three VHS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   tapes full of Peter Davison stories but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:38   only some of them and I know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   really well and others i've seen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   once or twice so anyway you know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43   really enthusiastic for a while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   and this is people who love Sylvester [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   McCoy will will will la be sad now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:50   you know that I was less interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   him and hit and his style that they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   with the show and I was getting ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   graduate from high school I just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58   felt it just sort of fell off my radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   and I didn't pay attention to it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   and I I I think I i think i taped a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:05   bunch of old episodes I threw away the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   tapes at some point when i was home from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   college like that whatever I've moved on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:10   in my life I little TARDIS model that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:13   built a balsa-wood I put that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   garbage cans very sad but I'm so then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:19   and i watch the poem again a movie too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   and was you know that was it that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   just looking at it he said I've done but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:27   but I so here's the thing is I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   when the first episode of the of the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   series leaked on the internet and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   guy from The Canadian Broadcasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:35   Company that he put it on bittorrent or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   Predis esser too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   torrent and i downloaded and i watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   it and I was um I just wanted to see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   was I was very curious and and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:48   expect much after after all that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:52   and i was pleasantly surprised and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   very excited about it and so I I after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   watching it I i said to my wife who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   no knowledge doctor but also you gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   watch this and then from there I spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   that around two to my friends but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   problem was of course that didn't air in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   the US for like a year after that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:10   that got me really back into it that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   the new series rekindled all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   useless information that i had gathered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:16   over the course of about five years when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   I was just turning into a teenager the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   fact that the gunfighters with cereal Z [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   or Zed for those who are listening in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   other countries things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:27   why do I will because I read all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   freakin doctor who books about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   about shows I've episode I've get to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   or that are lost forever why did I do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:35   I don't know I wanted to know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:36   there was about Doctor Who so it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   came rushing back and so although all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   those parts of my brain that we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:42   sitting there going hey I know lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   things about Doctor Who use me i am from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:47   a database of Doctor Who knowledge now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   50 years 50th anniversary now i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   access that information so that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   that's my story came all the way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   let me ask me about the underground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:57   today the fan conventions and it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   like for what I've heard in the older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01   days and not even that far back but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   when you talk about meeting Patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   Troughton that that the events even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:07   they were let's say intimate that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:08   is less there's more interaction I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:11   sounds like things are a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:12   distant these days of any of the kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   of events because there's so many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15   fans in the fandom is more intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   whether it's doctor who r star tracker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   or whatever did you did you have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   direct interaction with the not some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   the folks now is still behind i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   what you're talking about is more a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:26   general sci-fi convention doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   that much interaction I've actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:29   found that the Doctor Who specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   conventions tend to be very interactive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:34   for example yeah for example Gallifrey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37   one the convention that Jason was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:38   talking about earlier this past year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   actually that's where i got married if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   you want to talk about how to protect or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:44   houki i am yeah it's all coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   it sure is up but you could just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   standing up i was standing in the bar i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   remember for this year the year before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52   and I turned and looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   realize that that was Paul McGann [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:55   standing two people away from me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:58   just you know people hanging out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59   I'll Bacharach upon this not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:02   because I was there to see the wedding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:03   but because the there is something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:06   Doctor Who fans particularly in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:09   where there are there really is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12   less of a barrier between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   professionals and the fans are I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   mad as a podcaster I've gotten the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   interview several of the several of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   actors and writers and producers and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   actually got kissed on the cheek by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   lizard at the last convention need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   mcintosh Madame vastra she's lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   sorry I'm I'm thinking about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:33   else right now obviously didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   want to I said hi the young Amy Pond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   yeah but no it in America it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:41   it's an intimate fandom which belies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   fact that it's it's blowing up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   merchandise in hot topic and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:49   oh come on the doctor who booth two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   years ago the doctor who the con three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   years ago the BBC america booth at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   comic-con was busy but manageable i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1915">TS</a>]

00:32:00   bought an orange Dalek this year at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:04   comic-con you could not get within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:08   stone's throw of the BBC america booth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   interest because the doctor and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   doctor merchandise line was insane and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:15   you know they had gone from hat before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   having like tried really hard to gin up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   enthusiasm for it had like different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   props in different places and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   take pictures of them in text them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   win prizes and stuff and that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   didn't bother with that this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28   they're like yeah where you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   it was totally insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32   plus the costumes at comic-con like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   number of Doctor Who costumes I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   was very clearly like taking over media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   this media convention it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   recognizable piece as opposed to being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   sort of like this odd thing off on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   side that's obscure and culty same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:49   at dragoncon dragoncon here dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   dragon con this is a funny thing is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:52   feel like i'ma huge sci-fi not and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:56   never gone to these things it's not out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   of fear or dislike or concern like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   comic-con dragoncon all these things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   now we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:02   off-topic but the Doctor Who convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   some more appealing because because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:07   Tennessee you talk about it like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:08   followed this stuff I really its there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   something about you know what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   seek out you seek out some sense about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:14   its authenticity or connection and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   rather go to a place where I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:17   I'm part of a smaller crowd than I huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20   overwhelming one there is more intimacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   and authenticity had a Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   convention i find i can't agree more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   actually these this year a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   Doctor Who conventions with the huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29   popularity are are smartly capping their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:32   registration and making sure that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   keep it sort of intimate and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   that's a good thing I i did see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   doctor who costumes at dragoncon than i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   did probably anything else I mean even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   if some reason more than Star Wars which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   is its kind of strange different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   the last time i had gone which was with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:47   two years previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   but I i did go to the Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50   programming at dragoncon and I really it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:54   made me appreciate the Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   specific conventions a lot let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2038">TS</a>]

00:33:58   yeah and I think there are a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:01   reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:01   Jason for uh what does that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04   tracking that you saw of the ink the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06   increase crowds at the BBC america booth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:09   and the explosion of fandom in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:12   for one thing it was a slow burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   we were getting the episode slower you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   know it was almost it was an instant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   phenomenon in the UK when the show came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:19   back in 2005 but it was as you said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:22   took a little while for the show to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:23   back in the US and the sci-fi channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   and I get all did not take care of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:29   show very well they aired at random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   periods they aired it late and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   stuff but it was still slowly building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   and about the time that david tennant is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   about to leave the series on BBC America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:44   gets the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   yeah and BBC america has a smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   audience the sci-fi channel but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   take much better care of the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   then immediately you have a new doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:54   matt smith you having essentially a soft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:57   reboot of the series it's just going off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   in a different direction is a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   jumping on point and that's when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   American fandom just really latched on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:06   and not even just American phantom all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   of North America at this point in Canada [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11   Doctor Who airs on the space channel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   the space channel when Doctor Who airs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:16   actually beating their network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   programming as far as rating goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   sometimes fast it's amazing to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:22   as somebody who's has seen dr. through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   the years I I don't have a knock-knock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   joke or a or a lightbulb joke for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   one but I'm gonna just it sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   there's there's one here somewhere we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   work it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:33   dr. was always gonna be big in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   and it and it was always I mean in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:38   eighties you could argue that the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   itself was the producers of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   actually started to like try to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:48   the what will work with fandom what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   make us break through in America there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   some interest in the show in America and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   it i would argue it maybe it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   made the show worse and not better you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2157">TS</a>]

00:36:00   know the John nathan-turner kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:01   catering to the fandom and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:02   disappearing up its own backside a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:05   little bit but but you know it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   seemed like this it was never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:08   happen right i mean that's what i can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   is like it's great we can talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11   Doctor Who being this close to breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   through in America and was never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:14   happen and then all the sudden happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   and you're right chip it was BBC america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   which needed to establish an identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   for itself and was going to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:24   use Doctor Who as a battering ram to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   get established in a way that sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28   channel had no need sci-fi channel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   was like leftovers from somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   and i will buy it'll be cheap will put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   it on and and BBC america marketed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:39   and used it as part of its identity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   you look at BBC I i made this comment on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   Twitter the other week I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   BBC america in some ways is the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   sci-fi channel now because you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:48   some of them the the shows that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   got on and they're certainly running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   next gen and battlestar know that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   that's true too but something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55   orphan black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:56   you know if that's a size is a sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:59   series essentially but it's a BBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:00   america original essentially so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:04   that it turns out that's what did it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:05   the the BBC america wanting to establish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:09   an identity and having this new show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:10   that was at the perfect moment with matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:13   smith taking over to reintroduce it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   people and and there had been that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   bubbling beneath the surface where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   people had discussed discovered it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   syfy and liked it and then it was ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23   was primed for that moment where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   we're just sort of took off so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   I i was going to say that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   when the new show came back I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   definitely when I was spreading the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   far and wide one of the things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:34   noticed is that that uh so sci-fi fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:40   demo in a lot of cases is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41   male-dominated thing i would i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:45   historically one of the things that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   really enjoyed about the new doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   is that i was able to share that with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   friends who are women who really loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   certain kinds of sci-fi shows Buffy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55   being example all of the women I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   who who bonded with me over buffy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   vampire slayer I said you gotta watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   this and they totally got it and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   so excited because when i was 14 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   recall there being very few women around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   the Doctor Who conventions and then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   new doctor was like no no this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:11   is a broad appeal this is a show for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   kids and grownups for men and women and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:17   that was really exciting and so I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:18   like that it was close but it took that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:21   it took that moment and and the mat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   smith arrival I guess was that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   and and here we are hot topic hot topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28   yeah yeah unbelievable should we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:31   about doctors since this is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   amazing things about the show is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   is managed why it other shows can't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   because everybody gets old or they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   a lot of money in their contract and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   show's end unless it's the simpsons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   let's animated and then they can replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   the actors voices with computers after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:48   while is probably what's gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:50   I'm here you know hero Robo Homer well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:53   they will have set every word in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:54   English language it somehow i am just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:56   lon Flanders that's right haha but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   but doctor who works by regenerating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   itself not just in the main actors but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:03   also in the in the producers and it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:07   in the format on a chip you've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   about that onto a Time Lord a lot of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   of the beauties of the show is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:12   read imagines itself in in lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:16   different ways sometimes a week to week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:17   and certainly from from era to era and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   and you know we offer mark that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   based on the lead actors but but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   are lots of other ways where the show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:26   managed to adapt because quite honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:27   if you look at the first episode from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   1963 you couldn't really do that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   today it has to have changed a lot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   the intervening 50 years thats that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   right there's an academic and Britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   named matt hills who is described the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:40   TARDIS is not a time machine but as on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   Roisin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   oh yeah yeah and and that's true because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:46   you go over 50 years of Doctor Who and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   not not only has the lead actor change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   but the style of storytelling has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   changed dramatically you've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   espionage thrillers you've had based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:59   that basis under siege with creeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   crawling slumbering monsters you've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:04   humor you've had romance James Bond spy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:08   sort of yeah that the show seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   reinvent itself uh to fit the to fit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:15   context of the of the times that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   being made in 2005 doctor who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   different from 2013 doctor who's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   different from 1963 and the actors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:26   change to and that's the that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   genius of the show it the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:32   doctor in the show's history is patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   troughton who was the second doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36   because he was the he was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:38   regenerator he was the first regenerated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   lead actor and if audiences hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:44   bought it then the show would have died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   for that was that Dad fateful moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   saying we're going to do this show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:50   it's going to be different but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:51   still going to be this show and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:55   was the that was yet the defining moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58   in some ways was not starting it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   continuing it and it really was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   classic necessity is the mother and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   dimension type of knowing where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:07   really kind of needed William Hartnell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   to to get out for multiple reasons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:12   decided okay we're going to try this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   see how it works and damn if it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:17   it's a sci-fi show we can do it I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   watched all the regeneration sequences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20   because those are available in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   ways so that I am familiar with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:23   think there's actually of all of them i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:26   think the david tennant's entrance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   exit are two of the defining moments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:31   how they dealt with that I don't know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34   great way like the way he appeared i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:37   think i should say i actually get sushi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:38   Eccleston's x-rays that I'm going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   gone i'm not going to be the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:41   I thought in the new series they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:45   adjust the fact that it's not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:46   guy that this is a cheat that this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   it it's more emotionally resident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:52   the way they played it it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   Jacqueline's like I'm gonna be going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   be somebody else than 10 shows up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:57   kind of go yeah everything's great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:59   it's a different person then returned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   left and his who his doctor you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:04   went out i watch that scene so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   times I don't worry says I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   go and in their alternates that where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   record they filmed a few different ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   that some of the most moving stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:15   the entire show it comes to the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   like what is life about what is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   existence how the Time Lords they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   haven't won anything you know they act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   as if they have but they haven't and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   don't know i think that's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   they developed a lot more later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   I mean they've played around with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:32   more to regeneration energy and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   rest of the two in the in the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:35   years the modern series if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   anything to find the modern series it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   a examining the the accepted principles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:44   of Doctor Who in a way like how would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   people respond to these which the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   series it was like alright it happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   it's didn't move on yeah and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   that's definitely a big difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:53   between the classic series in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   series in the classic series they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:56   pretty careful most of the time to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   explicitly saying I'm just I'm the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:01   person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:01   it's just it's a different body and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:02   a little bit different in the new series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   they take in a different direction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:05   Glenn you liked it i personally despise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:08   it but you which way what did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   what let's get into it so which cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   like the resistance you felt like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   was too much I mean there's an ego thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:16   like the new man walks away right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   yeah you didn't really have I mean his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   doctor was full of ego at the end he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   struggling the doctors send in all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   stuff I really that and that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   thing that I didn't like because I adore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28   david tennant as a doctor he at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   almost a planted Tom Baker as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   favorite and to see him go out that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:36   is as a he became whiny and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:40   didn't like that I felt like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   taking this this character i had put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   a really high pedestal and I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   just like rtd just like took his little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   finger and book tipped him off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:49   pedestal and he crashed hard for I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   gonna get very personal here and say ma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   I saw my grandfather grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   away and I'm so it's very personal but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   it's true is that I saw this man had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   been incredibly strong as whole life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:01   really fall apart at the end and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:04   maybe that's why i resonate with me more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:05   is it was exactly real to me in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:08   sense that you get that point and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   without you strip away the science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:11   fiction is like he did not want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   he was not ready to go in ten showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:16   that doctor showed that and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   all hey it's matt smith could Geronimo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:21   hood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:21   wow that's that's a really to take it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:24   guess i guess you do point out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:25   david tennant was by far the most sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   of human of all of the doctors yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   I guess what it comes down to it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:30   prefer doctor who is not that human I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   like the ones that are more alien so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   think that they humanize them too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   at the end for me it took it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:38   too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:39   yeah Glenn Glenn and Erica are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:40   demonstrating the that the Rorschach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:44   test nature TV show because it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:48   show does change so much and you are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:51   the different actors play the doctor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54   such a different way and the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55   styles of storytelling up more bitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:59   battles have been fought in Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02   fandom then arm then on the ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:06   ancient fields of on the end ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:09   medieval fields over what doctor who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:13   and who the right kind of doctor is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   all that stuff how sentimental you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:18   your storytelling and classic doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:21   was rarely sentimental modern aqua who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   is extremely sentimental I I side more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:29   with Glenn as far as enjoying seeing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:33   tenth doctor you know with his with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36   frailties and his excessive attachment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:40   to the life that he was living and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:41   wanting to what not going to give that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43   up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   whereas somebody who's used to seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:48   this for 450 years worth and accustomed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:52   to the changes and who wants to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:55   their doctor to be a little above these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   human frailties will have the reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   that Erica had and then thats that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:03   of the things that makes doctor who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:04   so delicious that you can do that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:08   don't like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:08   going on in a few just waiting to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   totally different just wait a minute and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   it'll be different we have one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   sponsor for this episode but guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   it's a very special sponsor in that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19   is on this episode Glenn fleischmann how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:23   is it you are the sponsor and welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:26   it's very nice to have you as a sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28   it's very kind of you yes IIM the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   sponsor in that many people on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:33   podcast to participate as regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   panelists including yourself will in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37   fact benefit from the thing we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   to talk about intriguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42   ok stay tuned after the podcast is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   to hear a little bit more about Glenn's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   new Kickstarter for the magazine and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   you want more information and support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49   the magazine's Kickstarter which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   includes seven stories by people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   regularly on the incomparable go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   dash magazine dot org slash book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2816">TS</a>]

00:47:01   stay tuned at the end for a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:02   more from Glen so this is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   the trap with this character is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   you're saying goodbye to the actor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   you can you can play it completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   straight and say well he's just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:12   turn to another person he shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   bother him that much and and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   modern show there's there's been more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:18   this story of sort of like well let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:21   play it like a death because that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:25   you get the drama of somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   considering the end of their lives in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29   way that I don't know I felt some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:33   that in the like the caves of Androzani [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   which is the last episode of peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   davison run where where he ki sacrifices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:41   himself and in fact says I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   regenerate I don't know and and says is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:48   this def he he is thinking he might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51   make it and and and that's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:54   because then then you can play it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:57   say this is this is somebody dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   with mortality even though they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:00   actually kind of almost immortal but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:03   that it's just a you could you can play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   either way and I totally see both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:06   i can enjoy david tennant saying another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:10   man walks away i don't want to go and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   do and I've seen that seen a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14   times because when I went to the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:15   who experience in London it plays on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:18   loop as you're walking through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   for years that sounds like a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   vision of hell I don't want to go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   and over and over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   oh please don't do they do it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27   different versions i don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   just like the one that aired and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31   two minute loop and it goes on with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   music and everything the whole time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:34   it's it's I it's burned on my brain now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:37   but the point is the point is I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   enjoy that but at the same time have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40   some hesitancy in the idea that will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   be but you're not really going you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:46   not really dying you're just changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:47   and it you know and that's the dichotomy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:50   of a of the show is that I mean in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   reality it's a different actor I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   we're coming into the 50th anniversary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   and we're going to see multiple doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   interacting with each other and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   that happens because they're different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:01   actors I keep waiting for the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   that's called the 10 doctors were it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   literally the same actor ten-time yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:08   that would be genius yeah it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   him with the same face it doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   to be it just makes it easier to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   different actors playing the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:15   you can have them all be the same one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   and it would still theoretically work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   it's just it's a cheap and it's fun but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:23   you know we all know that the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   that it's just the the doctors contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   is up and he wants to go do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   else or he's been fired and they put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   wig on the new guy just shrugged i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:35   he's gone and and then and then we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   move on shall we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:38   should we talk about specific doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:41   for for a minute i wanted to do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   am I was on a podcast a little while ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   that was the madman with a box podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:49   which was really enjoyable and he asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   me what my favorite doctor was and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   said I tried very hard not to say Colin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   Baker because that's a terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   choice and yet as a child of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:01   eighties he was the doctor when i was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   at at my peak of being a fan those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:07   episodes were airing and I really wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   to see them and I have a great in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   abiding love for vengeance on varos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   because like it's basically the Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   Who version of Max Headroom and Max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:16   Headroom is one of my favorite shows of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:17   all time because it's about television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   and media commentary and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:21   that but it's it's you know it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   good choice and yet in some ways he's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   favorite and otherwise i guess i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   say David Tennant but i'm i'm there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   so many to choose from i was listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:32   to to Erica do your part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   cast Verity and the amount of love for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   Patrick Troughton I feel like is at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   all-time high now with the discovery of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   those two new stories that they found in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   a in a in a way station somewhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   Africa and have enough restored that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47   that everybody seems to have come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:48   to patrick troughton as being defended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:51   I've seen maybe three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   Patrick Chan stories and he's great he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   great but I feel like I mean half of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   almost half of his run now not over half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   its now almost half is lost to history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:02   so it's hard to say so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   whether you know you I was assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:07   everybody who is allowed on Verity has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08   to say the second doctor is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   favorite but you suggested it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   Tom Baker is that right yeah actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   lives i think is the only one that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   the transducer absolutely she is well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   okay she does she was shot she shouted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   know she's very enthusiastic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   Patrick Troughton yeah i mean Tom Baker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:27   is my doctor he's the one that I grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   watching as I said for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   david tennant almost surpassed that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   then see I can never truly judge a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   doctor until they're not on the air and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:36   you know because my favorite doctor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   usually whoever i'm watching sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   so in the wilderness years it was Tom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   Baker with my favorite peter davison was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43   my second favorite because once I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   the best at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   Pat Smith is really up there although i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   think the longer he goes on the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   Matt Smith we see it mixed in with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   doctor and that that bothers me a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   bit so you don't have much longer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   wait those oh my god again so right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:01   honestly I think my favorite doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:02   Peter Capaldi yes perfect i love him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:07   everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:08   yeah he's such a terrific actor it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:09   gonna be it's also i'm glad they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   older like you know they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:12   younger and younger and you're like baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   dr. Marcus babies is because it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   happen oh yeah the thing that excites me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   about Peter Capaldi is he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   established enough actor and he's played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:24   so many roles we have absolutely no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   what kind of doctor he's going to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   whereas most of the doctors have to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:31   certain extent played themselves are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:34   you can see you can see David Tennant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   under the Tenth Doctor you can see Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:39   Smith under the 11th doctor and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   Peter Capaldi I I think he's wide open i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   think i I'm I'm going to be completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   surprised to see what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   comes up with Capaldi aside chip do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   have a favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:50   I you know it in terms of the actors i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:54   don't think a single doctor is a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:56   doctor arm I I like them all the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3176">TS</a>]

00:53:00   stories that were told during their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   years that I know that story poem again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:05   if you listen to those big finish audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   is he's so great but his show was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:10   that great but he's a great yea after in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   those stories he's a great doctor but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   only if you close your eyes but David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:17   David David Tennant is totally my doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   note but I say that I always have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:23   disclaim because matt smith's is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26   he is a he i think he has a more he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:30   made more creative choices in the role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   but there's something about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   familiarity and the human miss of David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:37   Tennant and arm and peter davison that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:42   really appeals to me there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:43   doctor who think fans who want to note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   who want to feel like they know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:47   doctor and there are some who I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:52   want to feel more awed by the doctor but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:55   I am I tend to prefer the actors who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:58   seemed more accessible in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   actually Jason I'll back you up i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   like Colin Baker a lot the stories did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   him Little service but his costume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   didn't really work even anything else my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   the hehe he is against type in in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:13   sense that he is brash and he is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16   there he is a force of nature as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   to patrick troughton just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   suddenly hiding in the shadows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:24   making everybody underestimate him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   Colin Baker has a sense of authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   around him that I really really like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:31   speaking of Big Finish he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:35   redeemed if you live to see it finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:36   audios his his stories are among some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:39   are among the best he's a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   actor I actually feel in some ways he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   was you could you even almost get say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47   that he was cast to young because he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:50   he's a really good actor and I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:53   got it was the wrong time and the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   show and the wrong decisions being made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   by the by the people who produce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   show and it'sit's tube and then he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   get the axe because the show was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   down the drain and they were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:04   anything they could to keep it to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   it alive a shame when do you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   favorite i do I don't know if this will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   be an unpopular choice but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   influenced by so Tom Baker was my Tom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:15   Baker was my first dr. so and announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   doctor for a long time so I always liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21   his performance I've seen in other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   things and he's just there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   about the actor i really like I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   he's enthusiastic and bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:29   yes and it's terrific and so I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   try always view the doctor through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   eyes of of Tom Baker of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   interpretation and I so Christopher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   Eccleston's i have to say is probably my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   favorite doctor even though i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   think he had the greatest scripts i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   think they were ok I think they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45   did a lot of building and there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:46   pretty there were some quite good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   episodes in his short run but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:52   something about the way so Tom Baker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   could smile so broadly that you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   his head was going to split into you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   I thought eccleston captured the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   manic have got nothing to lose kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:03   thing that I think there's a core across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06   the show that I've always thought I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:09   talked about how like I like the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10   because a doctor runs in the danger not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   heedlessly necessarily but not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15   necessarily safely like he's always on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   the verge of perhaps he's going to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   and he doesn't exactly care because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   knows he's doing the right thing maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:22   that's part of why it was rough to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   some of the tenants stuff at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   because he resisted and the doctor never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:28   resist he always just runs into it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:30   then he sort of succumbed and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   like Eccleston's sort of glee with which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   he launched himself into things even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   though he was this rough sort and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:39   this rough accent a rough face all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   kind of stuff is this rough character i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:44   just i don't know i like the vibe and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   liked his anger sometimes and I am but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:50   the scripts i would say you know I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   gone back and watched some of those and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53   someone that was I think starting at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   beginning and tweeting about it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   like 26 get better just cheesy doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   get better like it does but there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   have to see those in the developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:03   character and Rose become so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:06   and she starts sort of weak and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   but she becomes a strong character more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:09   important and then you just have to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   past the farting ale you do thats that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   I don't I don't start people that rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   anymore i actually encourage people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   start with the eleventh hour catch up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   real-time and then jump back to Rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:21   because by then they should probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   emotionally invested enough to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   through the farting aliens yeah I i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   this is my pet theory about the doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   which is which is that sometimes I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:32   like to draw kind of connections between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   them so like it like I I sort of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   that Tom Baker plan actually Tom Baker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   and and christopher eccleston in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   ways are similar to me in that they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   feel like aliens in a in a really strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:47   way like this guy is playing on a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:48   different level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   he's not the white really odds not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   human whereas david tennant I draw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   line I mean it's the obvious line but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   draw the line to Peter Davison that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   that they both they both have a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3478">TS</a>]

00:57:59   kind of energy and and exuberance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:02   and there's that wonderful little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   special short where they meet in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   TARDIS and and that is now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:08   related another related by marriage they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:11   are related so far yeah and then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   then matt smith i mean i guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   obvious parallel is to patrick troughton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   because if you look at the patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:18   troughton stuff I i clearly i mean Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   Smith said that he watched the patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   troughton episodes and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:23   definite connection there and I i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   that the show has been on we talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   50 years and an 11 lead actors that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:31   been on long enough that the the casting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:35   the lead characters the era's can echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   and have these clear kind of echoes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:40   it but this is kind of like that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   way that it couldn't be when there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   four I think you're right and my biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   fear is that the Peter Cappelli era is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   going to echo the jon pertwee era which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:52   is my of my least favorite era of Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55   Who by a landslide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   what why is that because he was stuck on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:58   earth and he was James Bond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   Yeah Yeah right yes I don't want I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03   love those episodes either I i watched i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:05   watch them but yeah not I look the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:08   surgery I think we had Sarah Jane was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   wondering Good there are good Pertwee's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:14   I I remember I remember really liking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   the ambassador's of death I really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   remember really liking Inferno but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   were you know i love in for enough when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   ambassadors death is it strikes me was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24   not different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   Oh what is the moon base with the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   where they where there's the transmat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   that gets and the Ice Warriors are in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:31   its presence of death death scenes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:35   death at you know I I like those but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   feel like they're the off format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:38   episodes they're not the normal ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   which is like you know which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:41   standard Pertwee episodes which boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   to me my favorite part 1episode that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   I haven't seen all of them recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   enough to remember them but is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:48   recursive peloton were there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   the doctor and Joe travel off the earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   so definitely more like definitely more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   like a Tom Baker style episode so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:59   inferno it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   inferno it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   this is a parallel universe story in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   which is what makes it so strange and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:03   the Brigadier as an eye patch and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   evil Brigadier I don't know that yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   brigade leader great leader yet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:08   everybody's evil in that parallel planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   but that's ok against hatch rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   the goatee ice exactly and the missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:16   mustache palomar yep it's far out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:20   like David Lynch yes unfortunately it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   also what a seven-part cereal harder so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:26   it goes on forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   it doesn't feel that long though because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:29   they had the genius idea to throw in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:32   alternate alternate universe in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33   was a late addition to the script that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:36   it makes it which is what I remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   most of course that those PBS saturday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   nights were fascinating because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   like you didn't know how long it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   going to run it was the last thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   the channel and so you get like inferno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   and you'd be watching and then two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:50   passenger like when this is gonna end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:51   because there's no indication of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54   long the show is going to be before your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   tivo & and round-the-clock scheduling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   was literally they would just start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   press play on Doctor Who and the guy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02   PBS station will go to sleep and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   run for who knows how long and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:07   problem with watching it in the omnibus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   edition because that's not the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:10   it was no seen it was created to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:13   episodic and run one week at a time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   the pacing is all wrong because every 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   minutes there's a swelling of music that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   suddenly dies off and a really exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   thing that turns out not to be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:22   exciting because if you're seeing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   resolution of a cliffhanger without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   having thought about the cliffhanger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   which is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:29   yeah that's the biggest difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   between the classic series and the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   series classic series was a serial it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36   was almost almost almost has a Terrigen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:40   in the old movie serials where 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:44   minutes of story and then you come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:46   next next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   well whereas the modern series is modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:52   television done in 45 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55   the episodes complete it's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   Pacey the you your you miss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:01   opportunity for that big cliffhanger at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04   the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:05   on the other hand it's much more compact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   and focus storytelling yeah yeah no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   that's exactly it its a-what yet another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   way that the show has reinvented itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:15   over the years before we go because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:18   we've been talking for almost an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   but i wanted to say before we go on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:22   ask you if you have any particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:23   favorite stories that you want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:27   about because we have 50 years to choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   from and I know every doctor who fan has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:32   a has a favorite or i suppose if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   want to be negative you can talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:36   your least favorite but let's say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:37   keep positive and talk about talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   about favorites um the favor two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41   that have still stuck stuck out for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:44   that you would also recommend to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:45   people i like Erica's idea of also where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   would you recommend people started 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49   hours probably a the the right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   there i think maybe i would say although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   my kids my kids and I want my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:57   family is now watching from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:58   beginning from rose but that's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:01   the kids have been we've jumped over so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:05   many different episodes now that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:07   have no sense of of of continuity back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:09   beyond that Smith and so I I'm and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12   skipped the episodes that aren't as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14   and so now I'm like all right we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16   gonna watch both of those Daleks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:17   Manhattan episodes nobody's gonna like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19   them but we're going to watch Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   Jason if you were a good father you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:24   started them with the unearthly child I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27   don't have I don't have those on DVD but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   i have the entire new series on DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:30   let me tell you season season three disc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:34   to who that is i think it was dust on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   that disk i don't think i put that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   even cause that's that's the two dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   in manhattan and then the Lazarus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:42   experiment and oh and 42 which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:46   bad as much as it is kind of not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48   interesting but that's not a good disc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50   and the next disc is human nature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   blink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:53   oh what a how there's some variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:57   that anyway anyway good episodes Bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   episodes where where you should start I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:03   got one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:04   alright enough this is Anna it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   kind of those things about where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:09   like an episode that enough doctor at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:10   what are you saying but I like turn left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   quite a bit oh it's it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:16   telling something in the negative it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19   the absence of any so don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:22   acting very very little right of david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   tennant that episode I love candy shoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:27   and his haha to get there and falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:30   off the the car going to the ambulance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:33   with the but the but I think it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:36   the it's an interesting episode like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:37   lot of episodes are they don't have much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:39   of the actual doctor in them is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   defines the show by that the negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   space by what's not there and I i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45   know i love Catherine Tate a love well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:48   Wilfred what's-his-name right said fred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   members named Bernard Cribbins playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:52   yes well lots love love him just love so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:56   much of the acting in the episode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   just that notion of ok let's put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:02   line here is everything this guy did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:05   where for the hearth be you're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07   gonna see it occasionally get to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:08   that like with the the whole arc of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:10   master and Freeman my brains gone dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:15   what's her name Martha from agriculture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:18   Martha in that whole arc and you gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20   see kind of what happens if the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   is locked up and and so forth but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   don't know so turn left i like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   ending is chillin where it's it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   silly when he runs out you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:32   everything says bad wolf on it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:33   there's that bit where the two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:36   are in the shop and they're he's poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:38   at the big dead bug and she says there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:42   a girl and she she said what she say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:44   you and me she said she said two words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:46   said Pat wolf and I on it shows us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49   moment that sets in play the whole that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:52   whole next arc and abundant a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:54   things that follows so I don't rejoice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   possibly but one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:57   interesting chipped a did up hmm that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3957">TS</a>]

01:06:00   that had seemed to have so many layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:03   of meaning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   yeah yeah that that was me doing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   radar o'reilly that are bak moment haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:11   yes but yeah I love that one but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:14   going to mention a classic episode it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:18   which is not usually my forte because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:20   i'm admittedly a bigger fan of the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:23   series in the classic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   the perfect gateway drug to the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27   series i think is the sylvester mccoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:30   episode remembrance of the Daleks it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:33   one of the best Daleks stories that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:36   classic series every did plus you it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:39   the first full story that features aces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:42   a companion and you get an idea of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:46   doctor who could become in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   because you have an in you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:51   intriguing relationship between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   doctor and the companion you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:54   emotional arc for the companion and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:58   of the storytelling some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4018">TS</a>]

01:06:59   direction our feels very modern it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:03   the first episode of Doctor Who that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:07   remember watching thinking this could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:10   actually work on American television I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:14   highly recommend it plus it's the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   time we see on camera without any cheats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:19   a floating Dalek yes but remembrance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:23   the Daleks is a little remembrance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:24   the Daleks is a lot of fun and and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:28   you've watched a lot of the new series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30   it will help ease you into the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:35   series Erica what about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:36   well as i already said as far as a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   to start I think 11th hour but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   want to say that if if it's somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:41   that I know they're a big enough geek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:43   that they're willing to sit down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:44   commit to the entire new series then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   I'll tell them to start with Rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:47   because why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   but as far as a favorite episode I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   record as a the rebus operation being my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:54   favorite doctor whose story of all time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:56   wow I will direct yeah but I will direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:59   you to the very episode in which we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   about the Fourth Doctor recover the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:02   reverse operation in detail so i won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   talk about that now up until just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:08   couple weeks ago the other favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:11   episode of mine was the deadly assassin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13   because i'm a sucker for for stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:14   happens on Gallifrey like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16   history of the Time Lords but just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   the past week and a half or so I watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:21   for the very first time the patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   troughton 10-part story the world games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:26   and I was fracking blown away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:30   I could not believe how good this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:31   it's one of those things where everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:33   kept saying it's amazing you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:35   watch it it's so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:36   usually when people build things up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:38   that i scoff at it and then i watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:40   it's been built up too much and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   just end up disappointed and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:44   the absolute opposite of that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:45   better than I was led to expect we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:48   gonna watch one or two episodes a night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50   i ended up like I just kept saying no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   Steven start the next one can we please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   watch the next time we went through five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   episodes before i got to be like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:58   o'clock in the morning and my eyes were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   closing and then we watched the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:01   five the next night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   even my PBS station broke that in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   weeks yeah because that's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   episodes it is and really watching it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:10   all at once is not the best way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12   is it should be broken up because again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14   that was the way it was to recede but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   it's just it's 10 parts but it cooks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:19   pace is amazing you have patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:21   troughton being awesomely Patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:23   Troughton and Jamie and Zoe which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25   one of my favorite artists teams being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:28   great and it's it's fantastic they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:32   there's a lot of running around but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:33   doesn't feel like running around it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:34   like everything has a purpose and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:37   you get the time lords and I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:39   loved deadly assassin because i like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   Time Lord stuff and now I understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   some people sort of our little bit itchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   when they watch deadly assassin because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   I feel like deadly assassin did sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:50   cheap in the Time Lords because in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   war games they are badass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   it simply can't they can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:56   somebody and and make them hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   they're just like these godlike beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   and their rather petty and backbiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:03   once you get around to the deadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:04   assassin which i still love because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:06   a great story but I if your classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09   series fan and you haven't watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   war games i can't recommend it enough i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:13   think the pace of the tradin episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   that I've seen is surprisingly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:19   i I don't know what happened in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:20   seventies but the the pace of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:23   I feel like it slowed down because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:25   the trout and stuff I think moves a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:28   better than a lot of what I remember of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:29   the per trillion and and Tom Baker areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   being just kind of slow moving right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:36   cotton in the sixties it doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38   slower as you go back there's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:40   nice pace in the sixties although maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   it's maybe it's just that the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   we still have existing happen to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:47   ones the filler pay for it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49   don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:50   the slow ones they did those the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:51   that they would delete that it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53   smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:54   I so on my list you know I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:58   traditionally your trouble with tribbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01   and city on the edge of forever of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:03   doctor who is the city of death in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05   caves of Androzani there's a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:06   that always come up and I watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:09   city of death with my with my wife like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   last year and it was painful because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   really did enjoy my call but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:16   this is that like the top with troubles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:17   of doctorates and and you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:20   it is it is funny but it uh I I worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:24   that I I built that up too much and as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:26   fan I I i worshiped too much in case an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:29   Androzani similarly is kind of in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:32   robert holmes kind of way it's a satire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   but it's kind of confused and the plots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:37   kind of weird and I be honest I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:40   like that started I was trying to end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:42   turns out the really like the caves of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   Androzani is for some fourth sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:47   last episode and a bit not for the setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:50   which is really not that great so I'm if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52   I had to pick a classic episode i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:54   actually gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:54   I mean vengeance on varos is my is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:57   favorite but if I if I had to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:59   another one that i would recommend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:00   people it would also be Colin Baker be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   revelation of the Daleks which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:04   black comedy with Alexei Sayle from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:07   young ones as the the DJ that is playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:10   music in this place in the whole plot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:11   basically but the that that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   going to cure are they are they making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:16   dollars are they feeding people but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:17   all there using dead bodies to do it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   this horrible thing that happens in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:20   in the world of tranquil repose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:23   Colin Baker's wearing your agree a blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   coat for a while that makes you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   notice this outfit so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:29   Wow Jason you like a dark and violent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   yeah yeah well it'sit's that's at i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:34   don't know i think that that offset some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   of the craziness of that era was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   was that it is dark it is dark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:41   violent but I i really like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:43   revelation of the Daleks is funny too it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:45   is so dark and so funny but you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:48   an old softy I was gonna mention talents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   wink Chang which is horribly racist but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:54   is also really great and even and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:58   there's a giant rat and there's a killer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:00   mannequin or no a killer up uh Barry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:04   that killer puppet oh I love it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06   scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:07   uh but I'm a softy and I i do love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:10   new series and although again obligatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:14   episode to promote his blink i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:17   to say the girl in the fireplace which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   cannot i could watch again and again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:22   again and again and it gets me every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:25   time every aspect of it kills me that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:29   love the horse i love the weirdness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:32   nothing different to different time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:34   frames i like how enthusiastic Mickey is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:39   about being on a spaceship and how Rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:41   has to deal with the fact that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:42   like trying to be too cool for school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   like I do this all the time and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:46   really enthusiastic i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:48   connection between David Tennant and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:52   fire miles and that and the end where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:55   they don't know what's happened and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   they're there and they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:58   materialize and you see the portrait and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00   it turns out that the ship is the SS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:03   Madame de Pompadour absolutely kills me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:06   every single sides we know something the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08   doctor doesn't i know they never never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:10   know the answer in some ways so for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12   that's the that's that's that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:15   that's my new series episode III I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   kills me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:18   so quite a dichotomy there if I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:21   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:22   well old old old series i kind of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:24   like I want that i want some extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:26   darkness to take the edge off some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:27   the trappings of the old series new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:29   series i'm all about the love schmaltz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   city there is but there's like barbecued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:34   people parts and girl in the fireplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:35   to a horse and barbecued people parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:39   and over the people part so yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:41   that's that's the whole point is they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:42   using people parts to to rebuild the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:44   spaceship was beautiful the glass robots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:46   glass robots yeah I don't know how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:48   work why are they necessary i don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:50   if they lasted robots how do they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:52   anti-oil what is that I don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:55   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:56   bananas are good at anything else we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   should anything else we should talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01   about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:02   we've we've talked for an hour we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:03   talk for 15 more years I suppose about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   document can we talk about what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   expect from the upcoming episode airs oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09   yeah so this this we're gonna drop this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:11   the week of the anniversary and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:13   should tell everybody who stayed with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15   this long that we are going to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:16   get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:17   group of our usual doctor flash caste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   people actively together on the on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:22   day of the on the day of the event to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:24   talk about the episode after it airs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:27   um but yeah sure let's like go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:32   Glenn well see sadhana comes back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:35   then the well okay now i just want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   in reference sorry I should do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:38   properly predict three dicks ridemaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:43   hey you you have to go back and vocoder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:48   this and post sir victor i am a Dalek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:52   i I just want to go and point out that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   was one of the people who realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   river song was a mere or his daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   long before it was ever reveal a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:01   remember I was talking about one college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:04   he called it yeah i called it called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:05   long a time so i got no idea what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:08   gonna happen but it looks you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:09   thing is often the new at the preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:12   these things here like this one I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   like it's got every I mean there is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:17   a fan thing right it's got the moment in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:19   it that they hinted at the end of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:22   it's got all these little bits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:23   pieces are all pulling everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:24   together and you know it's got one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:27   our favorite doctor one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:28   actress who's ever lived in it it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30   some of the favorite companions it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   rose looking crazy so it just feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:35   it's gonna be a big box of fun and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:37   just hope they can pull it all off but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39   it looks good where it doesn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:41   cheesy kind of style to which some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:43   the previews for some previous specials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:46   have and then it kind of turned out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:47   be a little bit like that so I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:49   forward to it so you're predicting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:50   will be good i'm predicting yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52   i'm predicting you know there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:53   issue about when they brought so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:56   don't know feel having to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:57   genetic or the was the looms no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4617">TS</a>]

01:17:02   but they brought lot they brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   Rassilon back so that was from TV the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:07   looms are not from tvoi no really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:09   new adventure novels right line that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11   still in Barrow mother still snow long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:13   barrel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:14   ok well there's still something for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:15   something that's going on there we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17   you know the master is not peak there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:19   no master no we don't know we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:22   having your guarantee there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:24   little you through the mail master know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:27   rooms no Rassilon I just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:29   they're all right we'll see Rassilon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:31   bet will be mentioned he's a great guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   but the I i'm just wondering if they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35   bring back some of the scene from me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:38   they would have from the rational on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:40   scenes in the end of time and forgot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:43   other names creature bring Timothy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:44   Dalton back I don't think that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:45   happen I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:46   well no but I just think there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:47   something there's loose ends that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:50   set for us and I wonder what there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52   trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:52   I think I think Steven Moffat more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:55   concerned with his own loose ends than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:56   Russell Davis is listens but thats yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:59   again we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:01   fair enough Erica chipped you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03   predictions about about the 50 up i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:06   think it's going to be fantastic i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:10   really think that it doesn't matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   the story does that there are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:14   be enough nods to the past in it that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:17   little fangirl heart is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:18   going pitter-patter patent and I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20   really care what's happening until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   second or third time i watch it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:24   start thinking about the plot i just i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:26   think i'm going to love it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:28   good enough for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:29   likewise i I've seen I've seen more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:32   I want to really of the trailers yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   they're there enough clues in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:37   about what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:38   one of the things that fascinates me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   that there are some very clear nods to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:41   the club to the classic series including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:45   the return of of a group of characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:49   that I will not spoil for those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   haven't seen it but there are nods to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:55   their there's even a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:56   chameleons on the wall at Ground the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:59   Rope the the robot that did not work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:02   the peter davison episode know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:05   so so erica is spot-on as far as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:09   fanservice is concerned what I'm excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   about is that by all reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:14   David Tennant and matt smith had great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:17   chemistry on set and we're going to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:19   we're going to see the similarities and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:22   the differences between these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24   incredibly popular modern doctors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:27   that that fills me with glee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:30   I'm going to predict that it will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:33   more coherent plot than the five doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   what boy putting yourself out on a limb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:39   I don't know I seen the five doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:41   like 20 times and my love it and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:46   that's right the podcast of Rassilon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:51   deathstone the terrible's oh did I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:54   it's going to be better than the five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:55   doctors i'm sorry it's gonna be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   than five doctors it's certainly going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:58   to be much more coherent and I too will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4798">TS</a>]

01:20:01   probably pay more attention the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:03   or third time i watch it partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   because the second or third time I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   it I will be in a movie theater watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:08   it in 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:10   same here which will be very excited I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   decided not to watch it on the day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   which I could have it turns out but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:18   I'm gonna we're gonna stay home and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:19   watch that as a family and then on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21   Monday night we're gonna go my wife and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   I are going to go in and watch it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:25   theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:26   I'm trying to Rassilon up some people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   go with me ah i see what you did there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30   having a hard time right now yeah i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:33   not a fan of the 3d but I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:36   come on let's give it a shot it's Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:38   Who in 3d what am i going to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:39   again I'm not going to buy a 3d TV I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41   tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:42   yeah the Dalek plunger come out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   screening why when I that's what i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:47   to see three-dimensional dolla cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:49   that's right three-dimensional John Hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:51   it turns out in 3d the Daleks are flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:54   that's the thing they wouldn't tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:55   that he actually that's strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:58   they can get bigger fly now but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4858">TS</a>]

01:20:59   they can extrude into it at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:01   third dimension that's their secret glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:04   I can't believe I can't believe these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:06   super nerdy things that you that you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   actually have hope might be in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:09   the fifth we'll see if the head i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:12   i think i think they're gonna surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:13   that either gonna be some stuff I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   that maybe it's more the illusion i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:16   think you're right i don't think we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:17   see but but you know I thought end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19   time was there was so many surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:20   things and some previously like rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23   the grassland all that crap so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   unexplained brass a lot guide exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28   like a very lame guys just dancing who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   you got a day-long or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:33   ok oh the end of time wow what those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:37   good time and sometimes whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:39   was that the whole another podcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:43   liked that episode haha i only noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:47   because all these broken and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:50   gonna fix it and I watched um I watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:53   the what is it the stolen earth and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:58   journeys and journeys and you and I as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:01   watched journeys and I thought why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:02   know this would have been a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:03   last episode for david tennant it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:06   0 is 0 in my in my headcanon that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:09   where that's player instead sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   together on one level because I do love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:12   the waters of mars I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:14   great episode but that the specials in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16   general weren't that great and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:17   than the waters of mars which I did love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   and that was such a that would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   such a dramatic sad ending and instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:24   it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:25   Erica did you sit in your head canon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:27   headcanon yes I day and had kids I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:29   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:30   that's good I guess somebody anymore it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMagWZ3g/4950">TS</a>]

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