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the incomparable flash test number 107 e
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November 23rd 2030
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we're back for a special flash flash
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cast edition of being comfortable
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recorded live Saturday November 23rd
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2013 the 50th anniversary of the first
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broadcast doctor who and not too long
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ago as we record this we watched as
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everybody around the world watched the
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50th anniversary episode of doctor who
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was on the same time all around the
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world people could get up in the middle
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of the night in Asia and watch it and
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and for for those of us on the west
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coast it was on just a little before
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noon and so I am your host is always
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Jason Snelling joining me are a handful
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of other people who are regular panelist
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who have seen this episode want to talk
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about it really quickly
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david lawrence here hello David hello
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megan is this thing on wait a second
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yeah which-which thing isn't working
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who's who's who sonic screwdriver is
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that number 11
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I Scott McNulty has interrupted his
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dinner to join us
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thank you Scott for being here and
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making that supreme sacrifice of half of
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your dinner being cold
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I don't know this is the real Jason
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because I don't think the real Jason
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would really care about my dinner
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it's true i have been i may have been
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replaced by a Saigon but let's let's
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let's let bygones be bygones Scott
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oh and we also have Dan Morgan hi Dan
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hello Jason I'm glad that all five of us
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could be imprisoned in this small cell
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together it's good it's good that we
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could we could be in this tiny space
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together answer andy caldwell is the
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unnamed fifth member that Dan was
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referring to there because he's very
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clever and can count I see a movie
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hello did you know the door was open I
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did not think to try it
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that's a reference to a show i just saw
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nice very nice failed i'm gonna break in
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here by the way and point out and what
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will put this at the front of the show
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to we're talking about this episode we
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saw it we're talking about it if you
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don't want to be spoiled a don't listen
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to this episode thank you
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this has been a public sorry I yea sorry
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should I read on the horn yeah like
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mission start with the spoiler
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the spoiler TARDIS yes
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the day of the doctor is what we saw
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lots of stuff I I even yeah lots of
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what wow let's just go around and I love
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some first impressions of how people
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what people thought about this and liked
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about this episode because you know I'm
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still processing it i think Dan serenity
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just literally just alright so let's
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start with David Lauren will give them a
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little extra processing time David some
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first initial thoughts about the the
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doctor who 50th special um I had the
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biggest damn smile on my face through
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most of it and at the end I I was pretty
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much a giggling wreck
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yeah i loved it i mean i've always said
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that I prefer Moffat to Davies is as in
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terms of the reboot and you know and
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even when I have issues with Moffitt and
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I've had issues with Moffat that episode
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made up for all of its just so that's
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why I like him and he went back and
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fixed the the worst thing I thought
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babies ever did which was destroying
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Gallifrey it's like why would you do
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that and then you know you have these
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these people who can travel through time
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and fix things so i wouldn't go and fix
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it and he's managed to save everything
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else in the universe
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why didn't he save that and boom saved
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it's like oh of course I he I know why
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right Russell Davis took the Time Lords
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off the boards because they were boring
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and super powerful and he wanted to give
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the doctor a an interesting angle to his
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story that he was this last survivor but
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I see when you said the worst thing
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Russell Davis ever did I thought you
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meant the episode the end of time
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uh-huh nobody the other one is but but
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is angel eyes see it again but the same
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the same thing applies which is that
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this episode essentially has a whole big
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chunk that takes place kind of in the
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middle of the end of time because it's
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actually alluded to they say though the
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great High Council is meeting we know
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they're doing very bad things because we
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saw that in the end of time and so I
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thought that was interesting that this
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is this is steven moffat taking having
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taken the reins three years ago from
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russell davis and or i guess going on
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for years ago maybe uh and uh and
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rewriting the most significant thing
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that Russell Davis did in terms of
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doctor who sort of current
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ecology by undoing this destruction of
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Gallifrey which is a I thought that was
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I thought it was interesting i don't
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know what it what it means for the for
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the future of the show and whether this
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just sort of lays out there for a while
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or what but I thought I thought it was
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interesting that that it's rewriting
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recent Doctor Who history but yeah and I
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think maybe a good way
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yeah you know I because i love the idea
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now that he's looking for home again but
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he doesn't have to go there right away
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you know it's just there you know it
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doesn't need to change anything he's
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still by himself he's still doing his
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thing and I just I love again you know
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how it was in and out of time in and out
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of events and how one thing led to you
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know here's the feds and here is jumping
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through and here's the Queen and here's
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this here's that and it all you know and
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I saw some people on Twitter early
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ongoing how the pacing is awful like let
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it play for more than 20 minutes before
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you start complaining about the pacing I
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mean real i thought the pace it was
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brilliant because yeah I thought that it
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was confident enough to know that it had
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90 minutes essentially or 75 minutes and
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I was really grateful that we were
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getting that early story and a couple
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large blocks rather than a deal I quick
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cut back and forth back and forth and
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back and forth like it was it knew it
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had the time to tell the story and so it
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wasn't it was going to take the time
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yeah I actually I found it really
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impressive because I felt the entire
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this entire season has felt a bit rushed
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to me in terms of the episodes pacing
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was not always my favorite and I felt
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like we weren't spending enough time
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developing characters are missing out
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scenes etc and in contrast I actually
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think the pacing of this special is
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fantastic enters its fast-paced but they
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take exactly the amount of time they
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need to set up the scene and focus on
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the things that are important and crack
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a few jokes too
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while still advancing the story
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absolutely and and just the chemistry i
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mean it's it's no big shock attendant
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and Smith would be fantastic together
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but oh my god they're so much fun they
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really were when John her obviously
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whose them you are demented he didn't
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he's like he's like he's a master
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ready will note that if you've seen
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anything else he's done right mean yeah
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you know the guys event so it but he did
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a great job with that
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why do people speak like children why
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the one part is when you can build two
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for twice the price
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that's what I say so i had to contact
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references anybody seen that movie John
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Hurt's in and are absolutely yeah might
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explain some of the costs off things
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like you know
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brave words dick van dyke and just keep
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going and I was like did I really hear
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yes yes I did yeah i mean the pacing at
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the beginning that was I'm glad I'm glad
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that came up because i like that it was
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not one of those cut and instead it was
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very much like okay we're gonna follow
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matt smith and and it's the doctor and
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Clara and they've got this sort of
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beginning adventure and then we know
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that the all the doctors are gonna meet
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and so we get John Hurt story and we see
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that kind of intersection point and we
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get sort of david tennant story and we
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see that intersection point and then
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puts them together i liked i like that
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and throughout the story that that it
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was it didn't feel slow pace to me it
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felt confident and it ratcheted things
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up as it went and I didn't feel like it
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was just trying to shovel for as much as
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in this episode I didn't feel like it
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was you know sweaty and painting and
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shoveling crazy references at me every
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minute which would have been I think
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understandable if that had been what it
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was and you know it would have been kind
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of like okay like a Halloween candy
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overlap or something right it didn't
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feel like I'm surprised actually that it
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felt like it had actually room to
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breathe which it didn't have to it could
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have been completely insanely packed
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yeah I was worried a little bit when
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Ingrid all girl came on-screen you're
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like oh she's wearing the Fourth Doctor
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scarf is the entire episode basically
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going to be tchotchkes and memorabilia
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of previous doctors but it actually
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turned out to be quite subtle and
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understated which I appreciated
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yeah absolutely Scott what are your
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thoughts
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I liked it thumbs up i enjoyed a Billie
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Piper's role as the conscience the
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interface to the moment I thought that
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was a good choice now overall it was fun
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I like pacing I liked the ending I mean
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I'm not like a super huge long time
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doctor who
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and so the shocking surprise ending
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cameo which I knew about didn't really
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impact me as much as I'm sure did other
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people but I don't like I found that was
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delightful
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yeah it was called lending and it was
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wrapped in enough explanation that you
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could make up your own explanation about
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it but it really wasn't like the point
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and which it was just kind of nice and
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and people can dice and will and have
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and are doing so right now on the
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internet that's exactly what it means
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but um but in the end it we got it we
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got a scene where Tom Baker who may or
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may not be the future version trying on
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old faces of the doctor but he's retired
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and he's running this is the curator of
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this bizarre museum gallery place to
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having a conversation with matt smith
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how great is that there's a conversation
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between matt smith and tom baker in the
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show that's cool that's and Don Baker
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for all you know the fact is he is
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essentially the definitive kid actor who
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played this character and we it's boring
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to pick him i was saying this in our
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doctor who episode 2 it'sit's was born
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to pick him but everybody when you think
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of Doctor Who I mean maybe people start
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to think of David Tennant that Smith but
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it's that guy in the scarf and a hat and
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I mean that's so to have him on what who
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yeah I was gonna say in contrast to
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always knew the doctor as that you know
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he's the last of the Time Lords identity
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that was for good or for ill it was just
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it simply was and so it was interesting
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to take a different perspective on that
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and you know it's nice that you have a
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show that is run long enough that you
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can take the time if you'll excuse the
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expression to develop those kinds of
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stories I mean you know if you're doing
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this in an American network television
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show like at the end of the first season
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you would have been like oh I'm afraid
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not destroyed but look you know that was
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I was eight years ago you know it's
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we've had the show this has been running
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for the
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the current incarnation has been running
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for eight years now and that's a long
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time to tease out that plot thread but
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I'm glad because it feels like it has
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significance then right after has weight
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if you wait for their eight years as
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opposed to 13 episodes and and they
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decided to change it and so you know it
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feels like a big ground shift and it
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also feels like a big setting the stage
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moment given what we know is going to
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happen in the Christmas episode you know
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this is a transition point i think its
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cool the idea that especially the idea
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that I mean you is there an argument
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that this this had always happened right
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yeah we get oh right so like you based
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on the nature of time travel
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you know this was true in very at the
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beginning of the show we just didn't
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know it
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right so that's all the fun continuity
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stuff that you can tease out having to
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do with time travel so I'd like to I
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thought that was cool to bring that sort
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of it was a different kind of episode
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two me and I like the fact that it
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played into a lot of the mythological
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stuff and we have this incarnation the
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war doctor who is a very different type
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of doctor but in the end you know more
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similar than different and it was nice
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to have the idea of the doctors you know
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saving himself too right yes I thought I
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thought that was a nice touch
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you mentioned the ground shift and I
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it's coming into this steven moffat said
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he was trying to set this was about not
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celebrating the last 50 but setting up
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the next 50 and I thought well that's
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nice bit of hype but come on but I I
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think you're right in that it feels like
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some of the assumptions and grounding
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and premise of the show not of all time
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but of since 2005 has shifted with this
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episode that it's not about the time war
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it's not about what happened Gallifrey
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is out there somewhere maybe you could
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go get it but it's like you know it's
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almost like the dot we know the doctor
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is moving on with his life he is
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resolved this issue he had about the
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time war and perhaps he did it through
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time traveler perhaps it was always that
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way right that's always that time travel
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question by the way how great is it that
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John Hurt just keeps rolling his eyes at
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all the catchphrases that the table
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tiny why me and alan zi and he's like oh
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my god why must you talk like what what
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a great week
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you know doesn't in retrospect make the
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casting of Peter Capaldi who briefly
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appears very very as doesn't have that
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much more sense now but he's talking
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about the maybe it's time to grow up
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yes like we've had you know three fairly
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young incarnations of the doctor maybe
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it's time that you know we have a doctor
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who is a little more on the adult side
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and that's that to me is an interesting
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another sort of like wob setup
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well you it's it's almost set up in this
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episode because the future travels of
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the doctor could be i'm looking for the
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children right and in order to look for
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the children you have to be a grown-up
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in order to find the children of
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Gallifrey and the the future of
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Gallifrey very nice but you know I have
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to say when they when they first
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announced him as being the next doctor
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and I thought he's got to show up in
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this episode somewhere even attics stars
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i was so happy to see him but even even
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having predicted that I let out an
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audible yelp when he just showed up and
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and my youngest son looked up with what
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happens nothing nothing just get going
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just watchin watchin show but it sits in
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there and I I like David I I find
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there's no way Steven Moffat is going to
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have already cast the next doctor and
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there's no way he can resist being
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having to be the first time where a
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future doctor appears earlier in the
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show there's no way he could resist and
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so obviously they shot something
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probably around the same time shot Matt
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Smith's regeneration and dropped it in
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there and said you'll be seeing him soon
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and that was pretty that was pretty cool
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and it was it was quick right it wasn't
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like a whole thing I was almost
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expecting that at the end instead of it
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being Tom Baker coming out at the end
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would be here Capaldi and with that with
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the the gallery being revealed as having
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those into the gallery had those
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hexagons on the wall and I kept figuring
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we were just going to go out that back
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door the gallery and it was going to be
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the TARDIS and that would be the end
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right but we got it a little differently
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than that but still pretty cool
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be it may be inside somewhere it may be
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a latter-day Tom Baker's a partisan
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could be i wanted to somebody mentioned
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Billie Piper I think I think Scott did
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and and as they as that sort of avatar
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of the moment it and I'll i really like
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the idea of the moment which was again
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dropped in the end of time
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manhattan and then picked up here which
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is that I really love that it is the
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most horrible weapon in the universe but
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it's sentient and it needs to be
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convinced to be used I think that's such
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an amazing idea and then to have it be
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in the form of of a Billy Piper which
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gets her into this episode without it
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being explaining that it's rose which I
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thought was cool the great line about I
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got it from your past or future i keep
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getting us mixed up
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it's also good and she did it I thought
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she did a great job in that part which
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is a little bit of rows and also a
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little bit of not this sort of
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mysterious powerful force trying to
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guide the doctor in the right direction
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i thought that was cool
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well you've got somebody who's playing
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the alex kingston roll who's not wrote
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or not river for once and I think
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everybody's gotten a little like I love
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Alex Kingston and i love the river song
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storylines but I think everybody had got
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maybe a little burnt out on river song
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so it allows Steven Moffat to have that
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kind of playful i have i have cards that
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you haven't seen that are played yet
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character on the show and allow them to
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kind of leave the doctor by the nose
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without necessarily putting alex
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kingston the role again
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well then how it was very odd to me to
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realize well we're never going to have a
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scene with billie piper and david
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tennant where they talk to each other
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you know it's kind of strange wonderful
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one shot where he's like did you say
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badwater have Billie Piper just sort of
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smiling behind him
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well actually that and that's
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immediately preceded by John Hurt saying
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that were Wulfgar like a kiss you and
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she says yeah that's gonna happen that
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was all that was really good
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somebody in the chat room is asking
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talking about it's a shame that a
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christopher eccleston couldn't be in it
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and it's true they had they did actually
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when John Hurt regenerates at the very
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end of the episode first he says these
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bodies weren't a little thin which is
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what William Hartnell says before he
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regenerates and they did if you look
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closely it's Christopher Eccleston's
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eyes who appear just before they cut
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away so they they used enough computer
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graphics to imply christopher eccleston
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without without you know going further
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and trying to do even more compositing
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to make it you know more clear we do get
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a shot of him in
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from archive footage we shot a hole in
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the whole government and i like that his
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there's a there's a certain element of
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his aesthetic in the war doctors outfit
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with the leather jacket and everything
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so I mean there's a little bit of
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continuity there which i think is nice i
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also appreciate that at the very end he
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makes the comment of oh I'm not going to
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remember this i'm going to you know walk
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out of here still believing that I
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potentially destroy Gallifrey I'm like
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good job Steven Moffat way to cover your
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bases and now but you know why don't
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they remember it yeah exactly exactly
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and and matt smith says oh i remember
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I'll kind of right and and it's that
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moment where it's all sort of falling
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for him and it explains away why they
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would not you know know everything you
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know David Tennant would know it twice
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and matt smith would know it three times
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it the rumor is that Steven Moffat wrote
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the John Hurt part for christopher
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eccleston and then when he couldn't get
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him back he conceived this whole mystery
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doctor and and watching this episode I
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thought oh yeah that this would have
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worked perfectly
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as Christopher Eccleston's in that part
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but it worked fine without and you know
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John Hurt is not a bad guy to catch this
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renounce Messalina know he did a great
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job and it actually it does play on that
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because they are so young tenant and and
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Smith a it works in that you don't you
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don't have that moment like well where's
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the ninth doctor because it's like well
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no the whole idea here is that they
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these two guys have lived and I really
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like that they look young so there's
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that contrast and they both talked about
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how many hundreds of years they both
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lived quite a few hundred for David
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Tennant and another three or 400 for
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Matt Smith to think about what happened
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when they were John Hurt which it you
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know it'sit's not implied it stated and
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it's and it's part of why the decisions
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that they make are what they are which I
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thought was really nice that that's a
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doctor who think that a lot of times you
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look you know ask me later I'll explain
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it later right and instead they
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addressed it and it was part of the
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story where you there's a line you can
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draw now from like you know the point
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where you have the the John her doctor
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all the way through all what we've seen
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things like you know the
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it was a doctor dances like that the
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yeah we're like everybody lives right
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like all of that you know there's this
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huge lovely line of continuity about why
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the doctor makes the choices he does and
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how this is shaped him and I think
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whole playing with the age thing because
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I know the the Matt Smith dr. the
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eleventh Doctor's age I think he's
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always been interesting which they kind
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of alluded to and the point where the
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prisoners over is like I mean maybe I'm
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lying about my age and you know you've
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got an old when you can't remember how
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old you are
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because they jump back and forth with
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him because there's that whole thing
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with the river and going well in the day
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of the moon and all back
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crud words like actually the older
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version of the doctor but not so I don't
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know it's it's nice that they do a lot
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of hand waving a couple points but
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that's alright because that's kind of
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the story that they're telling we got to
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see there is a character wearing a Tom
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Baker scarf that sort of strange i'm
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starting to wonder now if the curator
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didn't suggest that she worry I've got a
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longer if you can wear
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I mean why not interesting that happened
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to be Tom Baker scarf and Tom Baker
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appears the end of the aisle at this
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little in 12 course but it's a yes it's
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very iconic Doctor Who memorabilia but
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at the same time like you get the sense
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i actually I'm sure that character is
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just a one-off but I almost hope that
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she appears again because she they
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Moffat crafted her a little bit more
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interesting leave that he does some of
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his other one offs and if I mean is she
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supposed to be a cure a part of the
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museum staff apartment you know
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yeah so it's entirely I mean it's
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entirely possible that she might have
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any some kind of interaction with the
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curator it can even be that that's where
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the Fourth Doctor got the idea to wear
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that scarf
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oh yeah we just we go around in circles
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like this all day
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yeah well I liked it there was some
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through you know again I'm you know I've
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been watching as long as some of you
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have but yeah there were some nice tips
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they had two things from the earlier
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eras and Captain jacket to mention
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riversong shoes are in the black r-ky
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yeah there's lots of like little little
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references to things from from earlier
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incarnations so it was you know I always
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enjoyed little tips that they had to the
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continuity especially in an issue like
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this which has so much continuity beyond
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the under note
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just a reference to the end of time in
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here by the way is Queen Elizabeth the
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first which right which in the end of
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time as the doctor is doing his sort of
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final travels before he knows he's going
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to go and meet his fate he mentions
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basically that he married Queen
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Elizabeth the first
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so that's that's resolved here and and
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that means it's it's russell davis fault
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that the doctor started getting married
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and not Steven Moffat switch is also
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really funny and and then of course
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she's referenced also in the end of the
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Shakespeare episode where I'm she tries
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to to have the guards kill the doctor
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and now we realize that's because he
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married her and then disappeared and
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never came back so that was nice and
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then the other big reference in here is
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the Zygons who were in an episode from
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1976 with tom baker and have never been
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seen since he's a big funny sucker
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covered shape-shifting alien guys and
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and therefore and they were seen an
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episode set in Scotland and I think
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Steven Moffat and david tennant had
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sworn that one day they would do being
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Scotsman themselves they would get the
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Zygons in an episode and they did it in
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the 50th I appreciate the fact that
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there were men in rubber suits
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absolutely is Absolut so this guy's
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classic Doctor Who yes
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oh wow that was really funny my my uh my
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kids and I were watching this together
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and and and i said just about like two
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seconds forever and always force it was
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the horse he's like yeah it was the
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this is I gone there now that was really
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funny it was good lot of funny stuff but
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yeah we expect that from steve from off
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and I guess what L said and generally
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positive thoughts anything else that you
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wanted to talk about in particular i
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mean i-i thought it was really fantastic
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i thought they used Jenna Coleman well
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in the entirely throughout this episode
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in episode that really wasn't about
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companions they found a way to weave her
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into the story and such a way that did
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not make it feel like she was just kind
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of hanging out at the end and be like
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hey guys so there's button that you
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could press together or maybe not like
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you already have sort of rose playing
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this bad wolf character I I appreciate
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that when they do have her in the scenes
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she's actually making some kind
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effect and basically standing in for
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Humanity in some ways while while Billy
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Piper's characters sort of the the
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compass on one end of the spectrum she's
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kind of like the compass for well
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remember what you've become remember all
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the other things that you can do don't
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forget Clarence job is to say the doctor
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and as we saw in the the name of the
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doctor the last episode of the last
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season she didn't she didn't see John
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Hurt's doctor she never got a chance to
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save him and is that not what she does
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by saying mmm maybe you don't need to
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destroy Gallifrey I mean in some ways
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she saved her job is to say the doctor
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she saved the doctor by having him not
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destroy his planet in the end which is
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kinda cool and she was yeah she was
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never in that traditional companion mode
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she was very much
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I don't know it will be interesting to
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see how they portray her going forward
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because she's had that moment we talked
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about where she saved him already
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you could say her story is done or you
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could look at it and say look she's now
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an expert she's seen everything there is
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to see about the doctor she like totally
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gets it now and that's what she was in
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this episode she was like everything she
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did and suggested was right on the nose
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it wasn't you know she she knew what she
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was doing and she say she saved the day
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in the end in one way by being the one
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to say you don't need to do this you you
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know what you're letting yourself down
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if you go ahead with us and then setting
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it up for the next generation you have
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the possibility of having a companion
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who knows even more about the doctor in
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some ways than he does about himself but
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I was gonna say the overall i really
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enjoyed it as well I also like on the
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clear front that in that very first
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scene you get that call out to the first
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doctor with a foreman right cousin that
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the his granddaughter's last angry when
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I was the very first scene even more
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than that the first thing of this shows
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the sign pointing toward the junkyard
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which is where the TARDIS was but it's
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at coal Hill School which is where we
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first see Susan and her two teachers who
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become a barbarian who become the first
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other companion along with Susan and on
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the sign it says the head of the board
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of governors I chesterton which means
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that the guy who who is the head of the
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board of governors that school is ian
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from the first episode of Doctor Who
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which is pretty awesome so that they did
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they did the tip of the cap right at the
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beginning and then they had a motorcycle
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drive right into the TARDIS which by the
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way was really awesome and
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was i I was gonna say my one
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disappointment though which was watching
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the time war
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it felt kind of pedestrian to me like
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you're kind of imagine think the other
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just shouldn't imagine like these are
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people who have the power to manipulate
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time and space you feel like it would be
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this kind of conflict that's almost
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unfathomable like multi-layered hugely
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crazy conflict and at the end of the day
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it's people shooting at each other which
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is a little which is spectacular but
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like a little bit like a Time Lord so
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they're basically just people got
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somebody looking for more like a looper
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type special effects were composed
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suddenly started disappearing I I
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thought about that too i mean i can
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explain about away by saying this is
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like the ground war in the final
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invasion and it has to be done by force
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and that across the rest of the galaxy
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obviously crazy time things were
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happening or what a reference that with
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all the worlds that get burned away and
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everything that all the ripple effect
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right but you're absolutely right that
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as spectacular and it was and I was like
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this is doctor who this is really these
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are great special effects at the same
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time I was like it is a lot of pewpewpew
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of laser peeps you know
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yeah the laser beams look good they were
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good lady didn't look around you just
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felt a little weird because it felt like
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watching and crazy dominating the shops
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and stuff you didn't feel like Time
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Lords did you know that doctor who could
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yeah I know what the heck is that about
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that was that was that was cool i like
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clearly there's a horrible class system
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on Gallifrey because better like the
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time lords who have their little outfits
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in their little hood since things on
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their net and this is the stuff that the
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time surface everybody else has got like
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robes and is out in the dirt running
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around at the time presents i think
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those are the Gallifrey ends right there
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not Time Lords there the because the
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other the time presents you got a
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ten-time service and maybe we'll find
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out in a in a future episode
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maybe when they find out I i'm really
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looking forward to an episode that's
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entirely about the social hierarchy of
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Gallifrey
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oh I think they did that in the tom
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baker and it was really boring trade
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negotiations Jason oh yeah as exciting
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as trading home and that's that's what I
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was afraid they were going there with a
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Saigon you guys sit down and negotiate
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something like oh I don't call them the
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Trade Federation here that would be
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really bad but instead they liked left
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me like see we have a thing we gotta go
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to now so you guys just work it out and
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then we didn't see them again like we're
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dropping that plot now we're done it's
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done let's see what else what else to
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talk about here i mean i thought it was
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a fun i thought it was a funny episode
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i'm looking forward to actually seeing
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headache will it give me but I'm gonna
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give it a go there were a few moments
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where I was like that's that's there to
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be i bet that spectacular in 3d but i
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love how all the paintings have ios7
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clearly haha that's right that's exactly
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it did kind of scare me with Gallifrey
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Falls no more of their like oh yeah
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we're gonna you know throw a Dalek out
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of the painting as we emerge from it and
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then it started to wonder I'm like are
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we going to find ourselves a future
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episode where Dalek suddenly start
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pouring out of the paintings in the
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National Archives what is it exactly
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everybody started the Daleks because
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they kept coming back like they think
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there's like eight episodes with dogs in
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the mood at the time or was it did not
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work disaster terrible plan
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what else to talk about in here we have
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the big the strange museum the black the
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black bag gallery of art black archive
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where you cannot invitar started even
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the TARDIS can go and so they do a very
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clever thing which is they go like to
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Gallifrey and then go through the
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painting it's like all right I'll go
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with that
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ok let's cover the of the moment where
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she just looks because can't you just
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once walked by a fence without picking
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up around like out David tendencies the
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fuzzies like oh I'll put this on right
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yeah they're tired i do really enjoy the
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interactions between the two doctors
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wouldn't have gotten that much of the
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modern era except for a couple little
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one off you know there's the père David
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Rizzio one off but on
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I really enjoyed the most likely they're
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putting on the glasses
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yeah your type of admiring each other's
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glasses and we're making fun of each
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other for wearing with Sam shoes
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yeah right and the you know at the end
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where they're doing the negotiation
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thing they both put their feet up on the
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table and everything that they do a nice
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job of of the again you have characters
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you have actors playing two characters
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who are the same character but also not
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the same character which is always
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interesting to watch when you put them
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in a room together especially when you
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have you know someone like the doctor
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who's supposed to be so brilliant
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it's interesting to see to note these
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similarities and the differences in
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terms of how they portray them they
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would they're a great combination really
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funny I I felt in some ways this is a
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Steven Moffat tribute to the the classic
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TV episode the three doctors because
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it's the same it's a very similar
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dynamic where you got the current doctor
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and the most recent doctor and they have
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a little bit of a sparring relationship
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in fact right down to the fact that
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Patrick Troughton and the three doctor
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says exactly what David Tennant says
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which is you've redecorated
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I don't like it Anna and then there's
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the older previous doctor who thinks
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that there's something wrong with both
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of them which is William Hartnell and
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mrs. John heard and so it is a little
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bit of that same sort of like that was
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that was pretty good dynamic let's do
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that again and it was that was that was
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a lot of fun and those two guys together
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yeah they were that they were great i
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have to say somebody who really loves
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loves loves the the david tennant era it
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was so great to have David Tennant back
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as the doctor for a little while and get
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some new scenes including having his
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clothing line be exactly the same so we
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can once again say the last thing we
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ever heard the tenth doctor says I don't
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want to go because he says it again but
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it was great to see him and have and
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when I talk about the pacing earlier one
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of the things i liked is we got that
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chunk of david tennant's little
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adventure before the plot came in before
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the mat smith stuff Karen so we got a
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little like many little glimpse into an
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unseen Tenth Doctor adventure and got to
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see your old friend again which is part
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of what this is episode is trying to do
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so that was great to love seeing him
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kind of pop in I know where I love david
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tennant's so much and his humor
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again like you think that it's sort of
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in my memory I seem to remember David
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Tennant and matt smith being sort of
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similarly played doctors and then when
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you see them actually face-to-face you
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like no David Tennant has this wonderful
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sort of subset of mannerisms and and
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witticisms and jokes that I was like God
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forgot that i missed you so much right
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now but he's got it I had this argument
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with people when I think he matt smith
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first came on its like the thing about
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Matt's the 11th doctor said he's a
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little more alien and a little more
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wacky then then David Tennant the tenth
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doctors a little more charming right he
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doesn't think at the end to worry kisses
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Clara's hand and then kind of like winks
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at the 11th doctor you know he's got
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there both you know they're both
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handsome men whatever but they're you
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know they're there are they take it in
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slightly different directions in terms
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of how they deal with other people where
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you know the mat smith character right
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from like fish fingers and custard is
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kind of gawky and bizarre and and David
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handle on the other hand has a sort of
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self-assured smoothness to him
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yeah yeah it's definitely he can still
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I mean that was that was think it's only
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been three or four years right and and
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so of course you can but it was great to
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be reminded like he's still still got it
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he can still do that they apparently on
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the set they were joking they went to
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Steven Moffat while they were shooting
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and knowing that this wasn't a real
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possibility but they that Matt Smith and
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David Tennant went to Steven Moffat and
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said we got an idea for you the next
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let's do you know four episodes with me
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at four episodes with him and then you
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know four episodes were work together
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just do that and and and and it's just
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like all you know that would be stoned
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Stephen off its head explode that would
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be great
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that would be great yeah speaking
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speaking events and adventures with how
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do you think the night of the doctor fit
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in with all this the the palm against
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guising fall again appear yes I was
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delightfully I mean just because it i
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was glad that it had not been spoiled
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for me so that when you like you know
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i-i've done again either i've actually
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never seen the doctor who movie but I I
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knew enough about it to know you know
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who he was and things like that and
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anyone else and not watch it has
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apparently
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why you have actually began in other
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roles masses you know smart familiar
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with him as an actor but it is really
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funny to you know see him a you're not
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the doctor you're expecting
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yes good punch and there was there was
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probably my favorite moment and again he
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was like oh my calendar because i think
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it was a it went live just as my kids
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get on the school bus one morning and i
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just had dental you know what I'm gonna
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watch this
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I don't care because I don't want it
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spoiled and Susie pop music I'm the
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doctor but not when you're expecting
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like ah i was i was just up and making
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tea and in at you know six thirty in the
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morning and there was a tweet that was
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just like they posted the night of the
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doctor and so I got to see it without
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even seeing Paul McGann anywhere and I
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was sitting there thinking come on Paul
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McGann publication it's probably get
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yeah and you know he is that TV movie
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isn't isn't good i like to have this
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that that that short redeemed him and we
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got to see him in a and he's good he's a
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good actor he's great in the audios and
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so to get him a little more screen time
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and I like how it links it in it says
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this is what happened with the doctor is
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that Paul McGann got kind of pulled into
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the time war but refused and said no I'm
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gonna just a minister to people on the
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sidelines and then at some point
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what happened is it got to the point was
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what I watching today right before the
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the new episode was on was like it got
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so bad that not only couldn't he save
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the woman on the spaceship but she was
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willing to sacrifice her own life just
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to kill a Time Lord because they had
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that was that bad and that's the thing
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that precipitates him being like all
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right I got to do something different i
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can't ignore this anymore and that makes
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the John Hurt incarnations we get to see
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sort of where he came from and that he
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was young right they used footage of
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john hurt from like the late seventies
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early eighties in that reflection at the
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very end to imply that he you know when
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we see him in India the doctor he has
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had a long life fighting the time war
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and we're catching him at kind of
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exhausted at the very end the thing
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where they the the sisterhood gives him
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the potion and says yeah because he
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points out that they have the secret too
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eternal boredom or eternal is funny and
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I'm kind of wondering if that's gonna
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tie in with oh wow he now has more
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regeneration because now he has eternal
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I don't know yeah that's a better brain
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of morbius reference from the seventies
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but you know I whether whether I don't
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think that's I don't think I'm gonna tie
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into a way minisode but it did it did
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sort of plant the seed that there are
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lots of different ways to to do to do
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regenerations but I was it was a good
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reference i actually thought one of the
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funniest things in there is when they
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say you have full minutes to live
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he said that's ages anyone for chest
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bring me knitting very very funny i do
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want to make a mention of from the the
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day of the doctor the three charges with
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their various different yeah thats
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something yeah we have though which one
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of them is my it's the one that had the
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crab cakes yeah dude
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although he laughs because it's like I'm
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kidding i know of course which one is
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mine is like which one of mine rolleyes
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and then often goes yeah that was a that
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was a nice moment that you know makes
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fans happy to see all the all the many
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many TARDISes and the interiors bumping
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around through the different interiors
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and different the circle things i love
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the circle things with a 40 ideal know
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that was really that was really cool
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have a flash through them to that it was
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like you know what you know again
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hand-waving explanation of like what
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does it look like this one and then that
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one and then this one is like back it
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started doing a thing
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whatever let's move on but if we got to
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see them all that I also loved the the
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yeah and that's a nice little big guess
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what would they do with time travel
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mention that one of the things the BBC
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it it's hilarious and the entire plot of
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it is it's called the five ish doctors
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reunion or reboot the five ish doctors
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reboot and it's the plot is Peter
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occasionally paul mcgann and the
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voicemail of Tom Baker
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are are desperately trying to get in the
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50th anniversary in some way shape or
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form and uh the and it's very funny and
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there is actually something interesting
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at the end you're like huh
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could that be them hidden away we'll
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we'll never know but it's worth watching
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if you liked especially old doctor who
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at all because it's it's it's a very
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funny bit and there are a lot of good
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cameos in it there's a great bit with
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john barrowman in it and it's worth
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watching it's very very funny and I
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thing that's probably when colin baker
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at some point says to Sylvester McCoy
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what you're in The Hobbit why aren't you
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talking about that because i won't shut
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up about being in the hobbit so I make
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my favorite line and I won't spoil
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anything about it but my favorite line
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would be Moffat calling his secretary
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and saying make sure I'm not disturbed
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to the rescue
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yes yes yes after getting off getting
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another with yet another voicemail from
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peter davison asking just making you
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aware that he's available for the 50th
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anniversary if they would like to cast
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him in something very very funny but
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it's on the BBC website it's not a even
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a side project thing it's like done by
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the BBC with Peter Davison and gave
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attendance and briefly and david
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daughter isn't it briefly and it's very
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funny worth watching and the voicemail
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of Tom Baker is it it's true there's
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that there's a five doctors joke it
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actually which is fantastic so never
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before will you laughs at the nokia
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ringtone generic nokia ringtone as you
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will laugh in that in that episode so
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all right well what have we left behind
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anything else we wanna know that we
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haven't covered that we should talk
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about about this episode is it Christmas
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oh man it's closed and soon according to
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the malls yes very very close and
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there'll be another episode we will see
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there was a little teaser at the end of
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this which just showed many you know it
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showed weeping angels and Daleks and
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cyber men and silence and said you know
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this what's the name of this planet
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Mandalore and silence will fall and that
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was the end so it's the Steven Moffat
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tries to wrap up all of his dangling
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plot threads and sent Matt Smith off in
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a little more than a month but that was
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all that was really in it that was not
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what the announcer said there wasn't a
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Steven Moffat will now attending tested
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that would be good
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the doctor will return in Steven Moffat
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yes anything else
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no I'm just ready to watch it again
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yeah yeah I'm gonna watch it is you know
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couple more times sure mom
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alright well this was a lot of fun i
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love i love doing this let's do this
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again on Christmas
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how about that your we can do it we can
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do it we have the technology dan dan
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will be somewhere with where with no
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internet and he'll dial-in from a rotary
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phone and we will be sending my
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contributions via time Telegraph out I'm
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Telegraph that's a good one ya see
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because if you go by the rotary phone
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you might get sucked into the matrix and
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that's a whole yeah I I said wrong turn
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somewhere different different podcast
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alright well then i would like to thank
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my participants in the flash flash
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podcast for their flash participation
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David lower thanks for dialing in and
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talking about Doctor Who for for a
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little bit thanks i'm always happy to
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flash ways it's huh got off Scott
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McNulty you dinner has gotten cold but
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thanks for being here trap travel back
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in time yes but I can't go back in my
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own timeline so i'm screwed made time
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can be rewritten
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you can get that you can use time the
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power of time travel to make sure your
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dinner is slightly less cold put it in
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my pocket or a microwave you could you
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also use that and then I was gonna say
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Billy papers in the corner waiting to
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help you warm it up
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yes the battle buddy I gotta go yes
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dance and Dan Morgan thank you i'm glad
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that i was able to process all 40
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minutes of this flash cast in about four
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seconds you're brilliant like that and
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certainly called well as always thank
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you for being here
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and as always thank you for inviting me
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and man I can't wait to watch the teaser
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for the next episode have it on our
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television right now we're excited
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alright alright and it wouldn't be a
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flash cast without you and thanks to
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everybody out there for listening to
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this unedited flash sudden thing of the
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uncomfortable we will see you again next
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weekend for regular episode and we will
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see you with another flash cast on
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Christmas for Matt Smith lands oops oh
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alright until then this is jason l I've
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been your host I until I regenerate into
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Peter Capaldi be huh
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thanks for listening being comfortable
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goodnight
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