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00:00:21 ◼   ► 189 april 2014 [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► podcast I'm your host Jason Snell and [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► we're going to talk about a movie a [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► classic movie not an old movie we're not [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► going to call it old I don't know what [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► the cutoff is for old but it precedes [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► 1980 and this movies from 83 so we're [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► not going to call it all but it is a [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► movie we we think I believe pickup [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► formerly it is John badams 1983 [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► techno-thriller Cold War techno-thriller [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► shall we say war games and here to join [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► in talking about global thermonuclear [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► war are my guests David lure hello hello [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► good to have you as always [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► John Syracuse's also here hi John I [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► Jason just want to say that i love the [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► eighties yeah they're totally awesome [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► that's what I say I great losses here hi [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► Craig [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► hi Jason good to have you play a game [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► how about a nice game of volleyball for [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► now one of the options lip the poop out [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► of the menu Jason group up be you missed [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► it sorry to bed and indian taco is also [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► here Heidi greetings professor Snell ok [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► little more Dalek that I think you're [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► going alright so war games this is a [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► movie i have we all I did we all go back [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► and watch it again i watched it a couple [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► days ago I did yeah alright um was that [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► all anybody not watch it recently to the [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► check i watched a little bit of it i [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► didn't watch the whole theron I I [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► haven't seen this movie and so long and [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► yet I realized as we were watching it [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► that I have it completely memorized so [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► obviously I've seen it a dozen times at [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► least because i remember details i [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► remember long stretches of dialogue [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► whole scenes where the dialogue and yet [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► it's been probably at least 10 or 15 [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► years since I've seen it so it was [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► really kind of nice it was a nice to [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► come back to a familiar familiar friend [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► in this movie [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► when did you mean was this a movie that [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► that that you all saw it within you know [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► when it came out or or soon thereafter [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► because I I certainly did I i can't [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► remember i think i saw it in a movie [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► theater in 82 or 83 83 I remember [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► dragging my parents to see it in the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► theater because it was we had just moved [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► up to New York and it came out and I [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► went that's what i want and they said [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► Eric we've ripped you out of your happy [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► comfortable Florida life and let's go to [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► a movie and ya know I loved it I loved [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► although it may I still remember all of [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► the technology was not in a very tech [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► heavy family so just the the idea of [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► modems what is this modem thing you know [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► everything in the movie was being a [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► total science fiction I I was used to a [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► trs-80 that was about it [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► I don't remember not having seen this [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► movie I was other than those movies that [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► I remember the first time I saw it I [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► don't remember time before I saw I'll [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► just has always been in my life in the [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► end of eight days and of my past and [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► like like Jason I hadn't seen it in so [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► many years just don't know how many [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► years maybe it maybe 15 years I but i [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► knew i had this movie memorized like [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► even not having seen the movie i felt [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► like i could recite scenes from it and [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► seeing it again yeah i can continue [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► except with with some exceptions i think [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► we'll get to that was big blank spots [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► this movie for me [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► yeah Andy I had not seen it in about a [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► year and a half two years its it really [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► is one of those movies were if I have [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► not seen it in a while the next [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► opportunity i have where I just that the [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► the movie pops into my head or I see it [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► like I'm scrolling through netflix is [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► recommended movie chances are about [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► seven out of ten I'm gonna wind up [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► seeing it because it [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► I i think i think it's kind of like are [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► preferred for not just our generation [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► but are sort of social group [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► this is like our version of the Graduate [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► wear it so that it's so encapsulate us [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that this is us on that screen that is [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► just hard to relate to it in the same [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► way that like people who are not of that [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► generation and we're not doing those [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► things at that age can relate to it [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► that's how I remember it [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► yeah me that the other i'll just say the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► the one thing that absolutely got my [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► heart that just absolutely made me think [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► this is this is me this is my group is [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► when it is when he's trying to he's [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► trying to hack into provision and he's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► been up all night if this isn't early [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► that you can tell this isn't that he got [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► up early to do this it means that it's [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► seven in the morning he's been up since [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► this since seven the previous morning [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► that expression where he's just mashing [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► his face with his head with his fingers [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► drawing his bottom eyelids down and just [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► like looking at the screen and disbelief [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► that I can't believe it i'm still going [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► to have to go for another two hours to [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► try to solve this i have seen that face [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► reflected in a green phosphoricum [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► 10-under night after night after night [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► yeah Greg you were going to say you use [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► the same same deal [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► well yeah i saw in theaters because it [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► was the first movie that kind of spoke [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► to the subculture i was in you know I [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► knew people that had their BMX movies [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► and people had their break dancing [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► movies and games was a nerd I i will [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► just say I i had no BMXers or break [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► dancers in my peer group i'll just say [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► that no but they were at the same school [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► I was a they all beat up on you borrowed [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► the affectations of those subcultures [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► and I had a 2400 baud modem and a couple [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► of phone numbers and I lived online and [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► so you know to see somebody who was also [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► war dialing and doing something [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► interesting with it and who had a [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► girlfriend who looks like Elly shady was [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► all very very exciting [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► yes well especially that one of the more [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► unrealistic things the movie anyway [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► I think the key to this is the key to [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► this movie is for our for our peer group [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► is but one for people our age you know [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► having grown up in the eighties with [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► sort of sort of the the dread of nuclear [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► annihilation I think everybody in our [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► generation can connect with that but [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► then this movie specifically puts people [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► like us and the position to accidentally [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► destroy the war destroy the world or [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► well no 22 sorry but 22 to be the hero [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► of the story like we know there's this [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► dread you know this existential dread of [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► nuclear holocaust right and here's a [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► movie where people like us are people [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► like what we aspire to be because i [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► thought i was i was too young i was i [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► was sort of aspiration like I would like [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► to be like Matthew Broderick when I grow [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► up and do that where the hero we get to [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► save the world that almost destroyed [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► accidentally to which is fun but then be [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► the hero and and save it and so it was [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► the one-two punch of you know movies [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► that speak to the fierce kids have about [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► the world ending and then like the the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► super-rare movie where it's like and [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► guess what the Nerds going to save the [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► day and you know and also by the way the [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► sub-theme of using computers to impress [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► girls which yeah it's not actually [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► working real life the way it does but [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► maybe check out my acoustic couple of [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► modem yeah okay so we should i if there [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► are no other opening remarks I thought [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► we would dive into the movie and just [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► kind of move through it sequentially [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► does that sound ok with everyone very [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► linear very very methodical that's the [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► goat goes straight through Falcon space [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► i'm sorry i am i am that's exactly right [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► but we started one of the nice things [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► about this movie is it starts with a [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► with a fake out which is hey let's go [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► see that movie the computer movie I've [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► heard so much about [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► and we open on a snowy playing in it and [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► you know it's like South Dakota or or [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► Montana or somewhere for all we know and [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► a car comes through the snow and enters [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► a house and then something strange [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► happens they look in a mirror and and [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► and suddenly we're there [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► turns out they're ushered back into a [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► secret government installation where [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► they are Manning the nuclear missile [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► silo and hey it's john spencer ya lil [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► McGarry never ages because he looks the [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► same agents movies in the West Wing like [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► how is that possible even [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► Matthew Broderick is starting to look a [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► little older it is it's Leo McGarry [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► except he's now been demoted and he [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► hasn't had been promoted and he works [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► for the Air Force I guess firing nuclear [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► missiles [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► I had no memory of this opening scene [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► because when it opened I was afraid that [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► i had the wrong movie I might want to [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► visit my guess is they get into the [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► thing with the keys i remember that [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► whole sequence but the very opening [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► sequence where it's snowy and trucks i [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► guess when I was a kid my brain didn't [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► turn on you until they get in there in [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► the room with the keys [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► yeah but but they go everything so one [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► of the notes i wrote down is everything [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► I know about nuclear missiles and all [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► their protocols and how they work is [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► from this movie and a hundred October [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► maybe hunt for red october a little bit [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► and maybe like crimson tide but really [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► it all comes back to there are two guys [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► there are two keys and ultimately turn [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► your key sir that's it to you [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► that's it about dr. Strangelove I want [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► to watch that until much later and it [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► was influenced entirely by four games it [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► was all through the war games [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► it's all that john john spencer is down [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► there in a hole somewhere with that [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► other dude and they're there they're [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► going through the codes and they've got [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the little book and every movie I've [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► seen since I always think about the look [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► at this scene the little plastic snap [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and half things with the paper inside [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► them right and hope the whole point of [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► this scene is that given every [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► indication that they need to fire their [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► missile john spencer refuses to fire the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► missile and we discover then we cut to [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► the government briefing that Maurice [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► Minnifield from northern exposure is [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► this is a problem that lots of his guys [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► won't fire the nuclear missiles and so [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► they just so they decide to replace them [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► with computers [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► well it was only twenty-two percent or [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► something wasn't it and like that they [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► click they call that like that the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► percentage of infantry soldiers who [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► don't fire at the enemy it's like the [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► firing rate or something someone can [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► look it up but that that doesn't seem [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► like such a bad percentage i think the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► firing rate for its it's a pretty damn [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► bad percentage mean who has to be the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► poor guy who has to like explain to the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► guy who had the gun sixer turn your key [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► that you just shot and killed Leo [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► McGarry been through a test fire [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► exercise it wasn't even really war [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► well they gave him blanks [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► every place the gun is a blanket we [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► don't we don't overswing because we see [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► him later [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► this is a crossover crossover with the [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► game saw those blanks [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► it's still a hell of a test to you walk [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► into work one day and realize you have [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► to me i like the planets the job is [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► working for the government that's [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► exactly what you're gonna get with that [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► but that's part of that's part of the [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► movie like the reason I was a kid that [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► this works so well is you totally [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► believe that there were people with this [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► job and you understood that this is not [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► a fiction that there's that there's [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► actual people whose job it is to go in [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► there every day and this is this is the [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► job this is what they're signed up to do [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► and like you buy into the whole thing [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► that like well they're supposed to do [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► the job but it's a hard job to do and [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► how did that you know like in as an [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► adult watching this movie and lots of [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► things seem very silly but because I was [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► the kid in the eighties that saw this [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► then like I can still connect back with [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► the deadly seriousness of you know of [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► these vaguely silly things [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► absolutely that's that's another thing [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► that I'd wonder if later generations can [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► really appreciate that if your kid [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► growing up in the eighties every news [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► report was high your president is an old [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► addled former movie movie actor who [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► really wants a nuclear war who has eight [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► who has aids were telling them that you [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► know what you should not let the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► Russkies get away with anything [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► everything with anything because if they [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► even if they do fire some missiles we [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► have a magical shield in the sky that [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► will shoot those missiles down so [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► absolutely build more nukes ramp up the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► war there's a probably about as seven [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► and eighty chance that if you're a [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► teenager you will wind up fighting in [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► Afghanistan or something [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► it really wasn't it wasn't like the cold [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► war the in the sixties but it was still [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► a really tense time if you had a this is [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► this is why one of the biggest TV shows [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► dramas at that time was just an entire [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► night of abject depression saying after [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► the nuclear war happens which is going [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► to happen here is what the what the day [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► after that is going to be like for those [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► of you who by the way you didn't live [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► through it and he's referring to the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► cosby show those sweaters two sweaters [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► Jason the sweater and multiple multiple [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► pattern in boundary entry vehicles [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► yes uh so more but the good news is [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► Dabney Coleman tvs to have any Coleman [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► has a plan to replace all of the Leo [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► mcGarry's of the world who don't want to [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► anarchy and annihilate everybody in you [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► know hundreds of thousands of people in [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► Russia with the whopper which is a very [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► silly name for a very powerful [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► supercomputer that's going to run [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► military service simulations learn all [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► of the details and be able to plan based [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► on the NORAD war plans fat faster than [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► even though the Chiefs of Staff and the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► President and so you just tell the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► whopper what to do and it will fire the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► missiles for you isn't that nice [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► computers always do whatever you want [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► yeah let's put all the nuclear missiles [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► in the computer because computers what [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► would that what they're saying here with [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► Daddy Coleman is saying here is [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► computers are more reliable than people [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► and therefore we should take the human [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► element out of the equation of course [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► there's a lot of things that are [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► topsy-turvy in this movie like just you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► know things that are different now [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► because we're you know more progressive [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► like that the sexism all the stuff that [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► we'll talk about in a bit but this was [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► the first thing that struck me as being [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► a scene that would not exist in the [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► current movie because in this scene you [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► have the computer guy advocating for the [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► sort of more rigid militaristic [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► everybody has to follow orders the [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► computer can take over fire because we [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► know it will fire every single time and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► you had the southern all-american four [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► star general in his dress uniform being [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► the peacemaker dove saying you know we [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► need the people in there we need men [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► like in a modern movie the military [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► would be all for the killing machine [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► thing and the computer guys would be the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► dubs and saying you know oh I don't come [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► on comfortable with killing people or [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► whatever totally upside down from the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► current view of what the guy with the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► military guy with the computer guy [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► responses and that kind of runs [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► throughout this movie you everybody in [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► their various roles is the opposite of [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► what those roles would be today i don't [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► know i don't think the military guys so [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► much [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the piece nick is he's the old-fashioned [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► I believe in the judgment of my men [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► well ya thought that what it gets too is [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► that light ism Trump's militaristic you [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► know zeal like he is more afraid of [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► computers then he is like but you know [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► he's defending the weak link basically [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► the yeah sure the humans don't fire [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► twenty-two percent of the time but [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► dammit we have to stick with them [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► because i don't want those darn [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► computers coming in so that that's the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► threat of his place in the movie still [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► to be backwards and everything but not [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► backwards in the way of like I'm going [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► to destroy everybody I'm crazy military [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► backwards in the way I fear all [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► technology to such a degree that I'm [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► willing to stick with the people who are [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► less reliable weapon rather than go that [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► those scary computers [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► well i think a John to jump off of that [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► the this movie in some ways even though [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► it was only made in 1982 and lots of [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► movies were made before that and lots of [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► movies have been made after that and yet [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► in some ways this movie starts us on a [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► path for it predates some clichés and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► it creates some clichés and and so it [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► watching it now you're taking a back by [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► the fact that some like some movie and [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► TV clichés about what the hackers [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► always thinking what the military guys [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► always think are mixed up a little bit [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► and then there's also a bunch of things [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► that people do that you're like uh I you [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► know that this you know I'm in it said [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► many many times in this movie but it's [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► like back then it was it was kind of [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► okay it's just now it's been overused [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► but back then they had to explain what [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► was going on in a way that they don't [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► right now but but you're right the the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► idea that Maurice Minnifield from [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► northern exposure who has who has a name [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► but I don't care he's always more [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► worries Minnifield behringer is that is [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► that no yes general Beringer yes thank [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► hehe yeah he doesn't trust the computers [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► because they're all daii trust his guys [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► the problem is guys are unreliable so [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► he's got this difficult decision to make [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► where he's got the unreliable men and [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► then he's got the computer but it you [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► know but it the experts say that it's [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► really reliable and when you're facing [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► down nuclear annihilation you want to be [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► able to fire those missiles [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► I think it's more about each each leader [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► under wanting to work with the tools [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► that understands the best where the [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► general understands discipline and [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► understands military military chain of [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► command and understands people who are [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► under his command and so even though [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► it's be understands the possibility that [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► they're pretty other people are not [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► going to follow orders [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► that means that you need to increase the [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► training you need to change the way that [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► these people are are weeded out [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► whereas the person who's the engineer [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► though there are not there's a nonzero [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► percentage of people out there of [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► Engineers Arthur who don't really [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► understand people as well as they [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► understand computers and they have more [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► faith in computers than they have in [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► people because at least when the [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► computer fails to do something properly [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► you can trace it to an actual fault as [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► opposed to know the computer was just [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► being a jerk today so I'd and then and [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► not even to get into the idea of each of [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► these guys wants to defend their own [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► budget you know if you if you have all [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► these silos staffed by men that you [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► actually need to have staff and training [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► facilities and support for them [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► he's defending his budget like a good [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► bit like a good government employee and [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► a good defense contractor as a as the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► computer engineer would do well isn't [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the whole point of the movie to advocate [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► for humanism [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► I mean even Joshua becomes human [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► effectively at the end he developed a [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► conscience and learns and that I mean if [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► viewed in the light of the eighties when [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► everything you know computers were going [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► to take over everything but in a bad way [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► your job is going to be computerized [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► away I I think it speaks to that is that [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► the the good guy [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the good authority figure the the one [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► that is ultimately right is the one who [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► wants to keep men in and the bad guy is [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► the one who wants to remove human [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► judgment and the Savior is the computer [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► program that learns human judgment no I [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► don't agree with any of that yet I think [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► it's more those are all pieces and in [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► the morality play and a basic question [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► once you throw like relay I into the mix [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► which you know is it's silly and it [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► takes it becomes a fantasy movie at that [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► point you realize that all these pieces [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► on the board are there because there's [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► some message that they're trying to get [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► I and it involves these players on the [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► board but not like because the military [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► guy by the end of the movie i'm not i [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► don't have a feeling that he was right [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► or wrong he was the same as he always [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► was he was just kind of along for the [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► ride and the same thing with [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► what's-his-name McKittrick he he's [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► trying to you know do what he does but [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► he doesn't seem to grow change much by [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► the end of the movie either it's all [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► just through this play of the AI [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► interacting with this kid interacting [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► with that you [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► falken does have a bit of an arc finally [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► you know restoring faith in humanity but [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► we're just supposed to take away the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► lesson that you know the killer was [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► stupid all gonna die [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► well that here's here's here's the thing [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► both definitely will use their the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► actors because we don't remember the [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► characters names would Danny colon and [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► Barry Corbin they both have the exact [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► same goal they both want that if if an [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► actual authorized and then second order [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► comes from The Oval Office to launch [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► nuclear missiles they all want that to [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► yes that's there they simply have a [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► difference that once those orders have [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► what's the best way to implement that at [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► the end they both having realized that [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► having both realized that there are [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► false orders in this computer [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► neither of them wants the missiles to [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► launch and to the other point of Joshua [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► requirement conscience no he doesn't all [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► he does is he is a computer he's [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► programmed to it part of the whopper [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► program is to work out once they have a [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► goal has been loaded into the computer [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► figure out how to achieve that goal he [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► never says oh what would be wrong to [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► kill so many people under the auspices [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► of foreign policy it says no I've tried [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► out every single way to launch missiles [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► at Russia in such a way that the [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► response will not be absolutely [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► devastating for the United States i have [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► worked them all out [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► none of them work the only was correct [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► solution to win this game is to not to [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► play at all [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► that's not a moral decision as far as [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► Josh was concerned that simply brute [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► force computation on its trying to shake [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► the the the military man out of the out [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► of the pretending that there is [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► something winnable here when in fact [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► it's it's not and that even a computer [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► even a logical computer can come to that [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► conclusion if you just ask it to run the [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► numbers which they never did I guess [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► before do not take this too far off the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► rails but Andy are you arguing that you [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► can't come to a moral decision based off [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► rational calculations i'm arguing that [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► there's no evidence in this movie that [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► Joshua came to a moral decision [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► yeah like what my connection to this [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► movie as a kid was one part with the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► whole nuclear war thing and how that's a [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► bad idea like it definitely took that [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► away from the movie right you know so [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► that's great but the other one was the [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► the real like the real chillin [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► connection with this inhuman AI it was [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► you know it was kind of how light [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► because i don't think i've seen 2001 [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► before I saw this [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► I like the part where where Matthew [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► Broderick being the proxy for me is the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► you know the aspirational nerd of the [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► audience is in a terrible situation [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► whose girlfriend is ally sheedy yeah [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► well yeah it in a terrible situation and [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► you know in mckettricks office and and [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► he's typing on the terminal to Joshua or [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► whatever he says is this real or is this [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► a game and and there's a look at the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► good pause and subsequent editing this [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► with a little pause and josh says what's [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► the difference that is a chilling moment [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► with them zooming in on the screen you [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► realize i agree with andy the computer [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► doesn't know or care it doesn't [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► what's the difference in real and you [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► know it has no connection to the outside [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► world as far as that's concerned it's [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► not concerned with any of the things [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► that were consorting with so it was it [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► was strong AI in terms of like the [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► single spirit had a personality and [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► thoughts and acts on its own and it is [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► totally unfeeling and uncaring in an [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► alien sort of way like how and even [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► though it's not really the point the [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► movie even though i think that's just [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► there to move along the morality play [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► get the message out of the end [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► Joshua is an incredibly chillin and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► creepy character and that's my biggest [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► connection to the movies with the [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► computer and with like the kid who [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► breaks into the computer realize these [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► face-to-face with the abyss basically at [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► this point [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► yeah but that's the early Joshua and [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► Joshua comes to a rational morality at [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► the end of the movie [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► well if you define morality as you work [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► the numbers and found I mean it I you [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► may be arguing the same point you can't [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► you can't win a nuclear war so so we [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► need to not do that because yeah so [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► let's try different game that you can [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► win but he doesn't he doesn't make any [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► distinction you you bet you bet you've [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► asked me to do you have asked me to [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► calculate a solution to the problem how [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► do i what how do I win this war against [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► the USSR it calculated solution which is [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► the only way to win this game is to not [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► to play it [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► not that there is no more not that [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► there's a moral imperative not to take [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► human life not that metrolist sure [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► discuss the destruction was a bad [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► foreign policy to begin with but [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► something that you've asked me a [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► question the answer is 42 now it's up to [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► you to figure out whether the questions [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► with words was worth asking the same is [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the same as tactile he comes the same [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► conclusion tecnico for it for the same [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► reasons it's not because he cares about [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► the x and the O's anymore than he cares [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► about the people is just there the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► criteria the input is you win if if the [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► people in the United States turned dead [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► and here and all the numbers in Oregon [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► said I think they did it but it's the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► dawning of his awareness he is your [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► right is totally cold and calculate [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► earlier on and the fact that i'm using a [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► male pronoun to describe the computer [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► program he does not have a penis i'm [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► pretty sure i wanted to draw a parallel [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► between Joshua and and falken because in [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► in that last summer weight where we're [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► going to circle back around to the front [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► of the movie but in at last seen at the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► falken is very peculiar if you watch [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that scene because he is sort of smiling [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► the whole time like he knows how it's [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► going to play out and and and when we [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► first see him he's very fatalistic and [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► thinks that you know humanity is going [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► to be made extinct and I watching at [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► this time i read that as falken knows [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► how this computer is going to think and [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► it's gonna end it is going to do what it [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► needs to do and if that means blowing up [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► all humanity that's fine so be it he may [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► even know that it's inevitable that it's [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► going to do it and that he's happy about [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► that and then when he smiling he's [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► watching Matthew Broderick walk through [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► this whole process I think it's I think [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► he's going through this same process [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► that he knows the computer is going [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► through where it's being flipped around [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► its orientation is changing into not [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► playing the game after all so I i saw a [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► little parallel there that Vulcan knows [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► what his computer is capable of at the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► beginning when he is convinced that [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► humanity is going to destroy itself and [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► then he's he knows exactly what is going [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► to happen with matthew broderick [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► figuring it out at the end because he [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► he's not active really at all he's just [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► kind of hanging around smiling and [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► nodding like you'll figure it out [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► he prides him in the right direction and [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► also it may hit he does have the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► character he decided he could have just [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► gone up to bed after you know again [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► getting back to me but he decided [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► instead of dialing his helicopter force [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► up a change he changes his mind he [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► decides to give humanity a chance [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► through you know Matthew Broderick which [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► is no substitutes what my son would [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► might have been if he had grown older [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► and it with the correct product and [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► instruction he will figure out what is [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► the solution that he you know making [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► play tic-tac-toe basically and he's the [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► guy who managed the easily he's the guy [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► who basically gives Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► characters that the past again ignore [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► dad saying yeah you don't don't shoot [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► this guy even though you think that he's [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► the easy risky spy who actually who set [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► this whole thing off [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► I'm the guy who invented the system i'm [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► telling you you gotta you gotta let him [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► in [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► yeah so I wanted to show so let's let's [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► move let's move back to gallica Matthew [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► Broderick is playing galaga in a in a in [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► a in a video arcade I had to explain [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► that they were backed by that and and [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► and the the note i have here is just [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► seeing Matthew Broderick from this [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► period I can you know connected to [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► ferris bueller's day off and I thought [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► this is like Ferris Bueller's the day [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► the earth stood still [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► it's strange combination everybody's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► gonna sneak up behind him while he's [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► playing the game [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► yeah very strange i felt bad when I saw [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► him playing galaga that it didn't look [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► old to me everything [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► nylon temporary and I said wait a second [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► suppose look retro and although like now [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► it's just Gallagher what's wrong with [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► that's one of the new games but you [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► understand look at the graphics it and [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► and Ally Sheedy you know there-there's [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► ally sheedy we want to talk about Ally [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► Sheedy she's I feel so bad about her in [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► this movie poor ally sheedy she has to [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► be the Manic Pixie dumb girl throughout [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► this whole movie [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► I feel so like I did not see this the [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► first time I saw the movie and like they [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► make her they make her manic they make [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► her so dumb and her her bromance with [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► Matthew broader is not believable in any [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► way and he doesn't even seem interested [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► in her and truth be told I was not [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► interested in her when I first saw this [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► movie because I wasn't old enough to be [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► interested in her and now that i see her [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► my call this part because she's a [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► perfectly fine actress we see here in [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► things later at you but here she's [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► giving nothing to do [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► she does not come off well and I felt [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► terrible for the whole movie isn't she [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► just the audience proxy to explain [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► what's happening on the screen [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► yeah she fills that role but do you have [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► to make her seem so dumb to do I mean [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► have you like that the you so seems like [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► she's going up the stairs and a dastard [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► a definite forward they make your not be [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► able to read the word trajectory off the [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► screen it's like come on give her a [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► break okay that that was that was kind [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► of harsh but it's good this in a movie [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► like this is good to point out that [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► Matthew Broderick's character is not [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► socially normal and his interests are [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► not normal relative to the other kids [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► are in this movie [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► and also i will say that though I agree [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► with you that that you could have made [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► her a little bit stronger and a little [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► bit more together Atlantic there you [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► could have deleted couples lines that [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► made her look kind of ditzy but I would [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► much rather see that then see the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► mistake that is not that modern movies [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► make in the opposite direction which is [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► to say well forecasting that girl team [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► that's going to like be with Matthew [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► product she has to be every bit as good [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► as Matthew broader she has to know as [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► much about computers know she will have [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► to have been the person who invented the [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► computer that Matthew Broderick is using [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► like know what if she's just worried [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► what if she's strong in her own way she [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► doesn't have to be the female version of [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► the male lead which i think i think it's [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► just a sexist time to take a break and [TS]

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00:31:39 ◼   ► the only thing that saves there is that [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► her manic pixie honest it's as if she's [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► lifted from a movie with a Manic Pixie [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► dream girl made the Manic Pixie dream [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► girl and then the rest of the movie [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► doesn't care because she doesn't affect [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► the other characters in the way that [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► she's supposed to she doesn't like they [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► don't react to her so she's allowed to [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► sort of exists in a more naturalistic [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► way as just kind of an excitable teenage [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► girl without her mere presence being [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► life-changing to the dreary people who [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► are you know you don't mean so there's [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► there's that really from it and she's [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► not the woman who comes off of the worst [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► in this movie I think I just that like I [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► would have liked her to have had a [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► little bit too i think that the things [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► that she had to do was focus on f1 was [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► late in a later scene she's the one who [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► realizes that the bond between a father [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► and son is such that the child's name [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► might be the password and Matthew [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► Broderick is not emotionally equipped to [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► make that connection so she does that so [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► she has a little bit more emotional [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► intelligence that he does and she you [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► know moves the plot along an axis [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► support for him which is kind of a [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► subordinate role but it's it's better [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► than just being manic all the time but [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► but in general I felt like she was not [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► respected as much by the movie as i [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► would have liked and I agree with andy [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► it would have been worse if she had to [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► be the scientist that invented the [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► computer because that is totally a [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► modern thing she's getting an A in [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► English we should I couldn't but she is [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► getting an A in English she's not they [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► didn't make her bad and everything she's [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► getting an A in English you give her [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► morals just don't change my grade but [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► you can see my next step [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► this is what i was going to say is that [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► that support that's a point where they [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► missed an opportunity because i really [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► like that scene where she says no and [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► you get the sense like oh well you see [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► Matthew Broderick has no morals he if he [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► does he's gonna if he can use technology [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► to do it [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► he will do it and but then they back off [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► of it where she comes and she says he [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► had changed my grade anyway and I think [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► she does that because she's supposed to [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► be like oh she likes the boy so she [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► feels bad about snubbing him and that's [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► another sort of subordinate oh I'm sorry [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► that expressing my feelings might have [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► been offensive to the mail so i have to [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► go back and be submissive and say it's [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► okay i didn't like the she changed her [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► mind and I didn't I [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► I'm trying to figure why they made you [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► change your mind and it seemed to me she [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► changed it because she wants still [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► wanted to have this friendship with or [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► whatever with matthew broderick and she [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► felt that she might have offended him by [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► so strongly voicing their concern that [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► the great be changed [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► I didn't see that the only reason she's [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► there is two to borrow a phrase from [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► another much much worse movie about tech [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► the net i'm working on this Miller when [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► when they were doing the press for that [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► and dennis miller is like Sandra [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► Bullock's friend in the movie and and he [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► needed this interview where he explained [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► that he was the expositional eunuch and [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► i love that phrase and is it [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► he's there to explain things or have [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► things explained to him because [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► otherwise there's no reason for anyone [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► to explain these things you know I mean [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the audience needs to know them but [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► there's no logical reason so she has to [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► be an idiot so that everyone can explain [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► well this is a modem and this is how you [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► dial to other computers and this is how [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► you do this and say you do that and but [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► yeah I kind of wish you were not quite [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► so does she could be ignorant being [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► ignorant is fine right but being a [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► seeming to be not like intelligent and [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► areas that aren't related to computers [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► this like adding insult to injury is not [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► necessary though I think they did a good [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► job when when there is no sort of [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► expositional unit in the room for [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► example again when when Matthew [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► Broderick's up and and mckettricks [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► office hacking away at the terminal [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► because I left him alone in room with [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► the computer because their dump he reads [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► aloud everything that comes on the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► screen probably mostly just to make sure [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► that the kids in the audience who can't [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► read I can't read that fast following [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► along but it also gives him a chance to [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► act and it i mean it kind of occurred to [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► me this time around but in general I [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► still think it sounded kind of [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► naturalistic he's reading the words on [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► the screen out loud to himself in a way [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► that doesn't come off as like oh they're [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► just doing that so we in the audience [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► like it just seems to flow from me [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► music was in the movie a million times [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► but it just goes to show if there's no [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► one there to 4x additional purposes it's [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► fine for the one person in the room to [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► just read everything allowed as he reads [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► it types it [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► well she also she also gives him that [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► emotional intelligence which we [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► mentioned earlier which i think is true [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► and also very importantly she gives him [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► a ride later so you know she's like i'll [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► pick you up [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► I surprise him at the airport don't [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► think you know what would you see that [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► in a modern movie the male hero riding [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► on the back of a moped with a female i [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► think that's it that's it that's where [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► she jogs to his house as well those two [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► scenes I think make her more interesting [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► character because I i don't think that [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► they would allow the pretty girl love [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► interest in a modern movie to be the [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► driver of the moped or but isn't doesn't [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► that just try and I mean use her to [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► reinforce Matthew Broderick's nerdom [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► that this is a city should really I [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► think she really is playing the role of [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► dr. Watson in this where she is that he [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► is she she is the person says by Jove's [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► how did you determine that and then [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► expect then he's also the one who has to [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► be the the former military person who [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► can ride a moped because you're Sherlock [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► Holmes intellectually knows how to know [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► how a moped works but doesn't know how [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► to operate one I i do see we're coming [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► from with this with this line John I [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► just I just didn't see it I didn't see [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► it at all when I was a kid it just say [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► seeing is an adult now so many of the [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► things that are sort of retrograde [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► socially speaking jump out at you and [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► it's a strange mix again with her with [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► her doing that like jogging to the house [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► is the one that really blew my mind [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► because again didn't remember that at [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► all like that set it would you have the [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► you know the female lead in a movie jog [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► to the house of boys should be all [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► sweaty when she got there but she [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► doesn't care this character doesn't care [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► she's also anyone she got this year and [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► there because she likes to run because [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► running is fun like she's more of a [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► tomboy and interesting sort of [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► well-rounded character [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► whereas if you put you know if it's [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► megan fox if he's jogging the house is [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► going to be in this cute jogging outfit [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► and it's going to be all about like [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► we're going out jogging she's not gonna [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► that's not going to be the way she [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► transports herself to go over the house [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► of the boy that she's interested in [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► silver linings playbook [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► yeah that's better executed happen you [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► know then that is definitely not a [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► stereotypical [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► you know eighties romance type thing I [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► think I think it's more like she's the [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► opposite of matthew broderick in every [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► way and the movie has two is always [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► looking for opportunities to show that [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► this is something that Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► either can't do or has no interest in [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► doing all the way up to [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► okay that's no problem the the time that [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► we missed last ferry but it's only about [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► a half mile away will just swim it and [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► like what kinda like blank is like the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► third finger left doesn't know how to [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► swim [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► oh okay I thought there'd be time okay [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► well I mean that works out it's good [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► seeing their yeah like you know that I [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► think that works emotionally in terms of [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► them realizing they're all gonna die but [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► I think she's I think her character is [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► all over the place and I think if you [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► took out a few of the things that make [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► her seemed like i said i we my wife and [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► I had this conversation because she's [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► gotten a an English and yet they're the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► her interaction about the crossword [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► puzzles kind of bizarre like waiting no [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► we know she's a good student in I I knew [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► lots of people like they were good in [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► humanities and couldn't I I friend of [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► mine in high school you know I knew her [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► only from chemistry and she said all I [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► didn't chemistry was taking up oxygen [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► that's that's all she did but she was [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► she was great English guess this is also [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► this is 30 years ago and they didn't [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► know how women work then huh [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► some of that is true although well Polly [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► the Hollywood yeah that's right and she [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► is it's hard for me to to objectively [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► look at alley shooting this movie too [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► because she is constructed to be every [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► computer nerd fantasy of this computer [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► is really cool girl and she's gonna be [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► interested in learning about the stuff i [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► like she could jog over the house we're [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► gonna have a conversation is consistent [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► things about feelings that whatever [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► she's going to open the door and I'm [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► going to not have my shirt on for no [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► reason you have to have been looking at [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► your browser beefcake and there's like [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► who is that for example I mean maybe he [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► was a sex symbol but it's not like he's [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► like cut like Matthew McConaughey or [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► something it's just kind of like he's a [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► computer nerd with his shirt off [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► well you know the getting into the whole [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► body dysmorphia issues that the Nerds [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► later in the movie bring about he was [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► idealized in every way even as a nerd [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► yeah I suppose that's true although like [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► I find that the lack of sexual tension [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► like the lack of over like oh you see [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► like this [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► the whole there's no plot line for [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► Matthew Broderick is obsessed with ally [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► sheedy and like has a crush on her [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► there's no red like when she comes in he [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► doesn't quickly hide himself like he's [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► embarrassed by his dirty underwear but [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► like it's so beautifully sweet and naive [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► in terms of like everything is so sexed [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► up now that these two would have to just [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► have this constant hot sexual attraction [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and like the big moments believes they [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► kiss barely on the cheek a kiss on the [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► cheek a bunch right you get it [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► well they kiss on the lips that kiss on [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► the lips later but but she comes in the [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► room and he doesn't go oh I can't have [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► my shirt on he's not like a baby look at [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► me and she's not leaving that no one is [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► leaving at anyone know it which is [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► probably idealized you know because [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► realistically speaking teenage boys are [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► just you know balls of hormones but it's [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► it's just so nice to see a movie where [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► that that's not even like a subplot like [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► it doesn't get in the way of the rest of [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► the movie we don't care for two of them [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► get together that's not what this movie [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► is about [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► yeah I give if this were made today [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► maybe the sexual tension she'd be his [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► equal and everything and he would [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► probably turn out to be dr. Falcons real [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► son and she would look a lot differently [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► though [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► Joshua would have a robot body yes of [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► course it would shift will be Megan Fox [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► basically so so um take it so i want to [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► mention a couple things about about the [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► mark matthew broderick in his house the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► take out the garbage you need to take [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► out the garbage seen struck me because I [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► realized that the entire Justin Long [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► character in galaxy quest is just mad [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► that Roderick for more games including [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► they play like all the same scenes it's [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► he literally is going to take out the [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► garbage at an important point in the [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► plot of galaxy quest so I hadn't really [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► thought about that but that is [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► completely just a wargames reference if [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► you watch galaxy quest and both the dog [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► saves the world by the way by knocking [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► over the garbage can both the dog saved [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► the entire world that's what I realized [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► this thing because it during that during [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► that simulation was running no one was [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► there to tell them it's a simulation [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► almost there anything like that he [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► interrupt because the dog knocked it [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► over because his parents were stirring [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► and made him get off the computer right [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► now and fix the garbage he quit the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► program by turning off the computer and [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► dropping the carrier and automatically [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► cease the simulation so it was a [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► simulation was still going but it didn't [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► continue along with the pace of business [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► out if it had proceeded apace with him [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► at the computer and had not gone down [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► there that would be it came over so get [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► the dog [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► thank you I'm overworld over i wanted to [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► mention the his parents eating raw corn [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► it's just one of the most bizarre what [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► was with the bread with the butter i [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► asked my wife is consistent with you [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► know what does that something that [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► anyone in this podcast does when you put [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► butter on the bread and then you roll [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► the corn and know that more in order nor [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► did I remember that that was bizarre and [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► then the corn is raw and it's just like [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► a wacky let's do i do joke at the matter [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► is that I remember because my mom was [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► gonna like that mateys [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► that was really weird and then in a [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► moment when the when he sets up the [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► dialing and he's explaining that he's [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► dialing all the numbers and I thought [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► you had a war dialer oh right from what [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► games did all the old-timers used to [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► call that a demon dieter program but now [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► it's just were dialing because because [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► of war games [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► I had a I had a 300 baud modem at this [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► at this period and I did do some more [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► dialing and the best I ever came up with [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► I didn't get to the secret government [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► research station or did nor did I able [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► was able to proclaim provision [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► I have you now instead I found like the [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► local hospitals billing system free [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► health care for everybody that was a fun [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► time when every computer assume that oh [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► well if you have this number and you [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► know and we have a piece of equipment [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► connect I just assume that you've got [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► authorization to be here so so many of [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► these things didn't even ask for a [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► password its just oh here's a menu of [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► everything I know how to do [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► thank you that time is not that long ago [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► because i was in college in the nineties [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► and our College in the nineties at the [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► dawning of the internet had to write [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► permissions on for everyone's TTYL and [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► the entire university which you know [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► which meant you could send messages to [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► anyone screen anywhere you like the the [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► the age of free love on the internet [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► that's a long time so yeah you dolled up [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► in a motor it would answer and show you [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► the menu and right up into the nineties [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► if you're online with the school of [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► 30,000 people you can write a ski snails [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► their screen to your heart's content [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► that change like a year and a half and [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► why because some kids had a ruin it for [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► guilty as charged I i had a friend who [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► used to be like work for MIT of the MIT [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► police as they're like tech security guy [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► and he used to love the first like month [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► of a brand new semester we went all of [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► these kids who are like King Kong of [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► their scope of their school in terms of [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► work and I've i can break into the spell [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► checker of my about my teachers of my [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► teachers laptop underwear that yeah [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► guess what I've seen every trick you've [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► ever done because most of them were [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► invented here and I invented some of [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► them hope you hope you enjoyed your four [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► days at MIT before we booted you out for [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► for violation of the agreement that you [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► signed a nice story for mom so some some [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► technology notes here I he's dialing [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► from Seattle to the bay area and she [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► asks is not expensive and he says there [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► are ways around that so there's your [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► phone phreaking reference if you go to [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► jail for that she says I remember that [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► entire entire conversation verbatim i [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► was able to quote that only carry out [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► only you only if you're 18 connection [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► terminated [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► how rude is another thing i wrote down [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► because I thought that was pretty funny [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► and then i wrote down here and I John [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► how rude and and i wrote this down for [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► Jon he's got one of those monitors that [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► make a beep sound every time it prints a [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► letter on the screen I i have that [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► rundown and what I wanted what my [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► question my notes is is this for that [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► started because it is perfectly monitors [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► makes it like it is done every every [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► time a word come to screen BB BB i love [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► that ever since then I want and I want [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► every computer I own to do that to make [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► some sort of noise to indicate that it's [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► actually working on some know it to [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► indicate that visual and text appearing [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► on the screen because you get you can [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► see with your eyes but what if you did [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► if it didn't make a noise really be on [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► the screen really but this you know this [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► this this it's that's that's an [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► interesting thing to point out because [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► historically like the the three minute [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► mile of moviemaking has been how do you [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► make text appearing on the screen and or [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► people typing into and anyway an [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► interesting scene in a movie [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► it practically can't be [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► that I think this might be the only [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► movie that ever really pulled it off [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► maybe maybe that and desk set but that [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► was like when teletypes in the nineteen [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► fifties anyway the Sprint racing [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► katharine hepburn so automatically if [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► there are running a computer that they [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► could be operating a CPM machine and [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► that would still be interesting but it's [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► proof and i have to say like if there's [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► an older movie than this that does the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► BB text on screen because it I in the [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► chat room i mentioned alien does this at [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► the beginning it's got the same readout [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► then every day I so i assume did [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► predated but like it is it saturates [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► this movie and and I and it's ok but [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► like the way they make that the computer [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► interesting is movie I don't think it's [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► the beeping it's the pacing is the [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► pacing of the interaction the fact that [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► there's an AI on the other side of the [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► thing makes it interesting it's like [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► interacting with how and they have these [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► pregnant pauses before you know [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► variable-length pregnant pauses for [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► maximum dramatic effect you know when [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► things come back we're up to the we have [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► the the we have the fat engineer and the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► Urkel engineer you might want to look [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► for a back door was this before or after [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► revenge of the nerds before prototypical [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► nerds [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► yeah I the the part that stood out to me [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► in that scene is the terrible terrible [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► program he says whenever I designed a [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► system i always put in a simple password [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► you're a terrible print like do not let [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► this person right any security-related [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► code like this but I mean it's funny [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► because a lot of these security problems [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► are still problems right there are still [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► back bad back doors there are still [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► passwords written down on pieces of [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► paper that people can go see ya at the [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► things written down on a piece of paper [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► like this was the age before good [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► passwords but so that's why it's pencil [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► and Joshua over at least Joshua was [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► mixed case right but they the culture [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► now surrounding if you are a computer [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► nerd no self-respecting computer would [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► ever say i right [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► you know every program that i write [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► personally I put in a back door because [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► that's like the worst thing you could [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► possibly do and when we find out this [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► like back doors on these routers or [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► printers and other things we think the [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► people who who wrote the code for them [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► are terrible and the worst programmers [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► ever but here i think if I think they're [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► that this guy i think this guy [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► yeah it was like a badge of honor now to [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► even know what the back door is don't [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► tell him about backdoors like it was [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► again it wasn't naive error where before [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► there was but in the modern era he comes [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► off as a doof [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► but but it happens I mean I reserve I [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► don't write don't remember specifics or [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► the last time I heard about this but you [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► want you sometimes do here about an [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► admin who decided to leave in an [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► insurance policy just in case it doesn't [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► it doesn't gets fired and he does not [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► like the conditions under which he was [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► fired [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah but we condemn those people [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► now though I'm just like exactly know [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that this work we would we be condemning [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► those people too but these are these are [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► people who are like Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► technically should not have been trying [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► to get into that games company even if [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► even if it weren't actually the the [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► secret nuclear missile firing computer [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► he's just he's doing things because he [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► feels as though because he has because [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► this computer is a world in which he can [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► have godlike powers of creation that [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► means that all morality inside this [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► world he has created his career is all [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► sank to all Sanctus all sanctimonious in [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► the eyes of the Lord because he is the [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► Lord so that's that's something he [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► concerned that something that I i [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► imagine that person actually thinking up [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► it's okay for me to put it back door and [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► because the the f after this contract is [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► finished they're gonna screw something [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► up they're gonna come back to me and i [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► can either spend four weeks trying to [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► figure out what they did or i can simply [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► walk right into the the kitty door in [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► the back and actually fixed form [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► yeah it's just funny because he was [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► supposed to be like the mature competent [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► one playing off of the screechie [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► obnoxious overexcited one and the mature [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► confident ones calm down little kid and [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► let me tell you everything I write a [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► program i do it terribly but the heat [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► yes miss Potato Head this potato head [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► and then another scene that I can speak [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► for Batum this scene i think it can can [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► we take a moment to praise the skills of [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► mr. Eddie deezen he he is one of those [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► character ask actors who had that that [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► those five magical years where the Eddie [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► deezen perfume was just in the air and [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► every casting office and get in three [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► times a day or three times a week so i [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► would say get me and Eddie deezen type [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► and but first check to see if Eddie [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► deezen is available he was in 1941 he [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► was an ivan reitman is first movie I [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► want to help hold your hand every time [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► playing and Eddie deezen character but [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► if you're in if you're an eighties [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► filmmaker that's everything you wanted [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► and all the marin by everybody [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► yeah he is [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► he is of a kind right he he is he is [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► what he is [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► you get is the kind is the prototype is [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► the one they made a mold from and as [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► well as much as we don't like these ugly [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► stereotypes about like nerds about our [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► types of people unfortunately i would we [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► all know Eddie deezen types we all know [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► the the slovenly unshaven I always leave [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► in the back door types [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► hey I'm not talking about me and I [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► didn't say the names [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► exactly Greg and by the way back door [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► tech mean something different now does [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► you know that's the first the fourth [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► really good show title we've had so far [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► i'm glad that I'm glad the furthest [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► first one that was not investment by [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► John siracusa speaking of speaking of [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► boring there's a lot of good library for [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► people to see like the shots of the card [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► catalog and microfilm ok so i was gonna [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► say it [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► this would not be an eighties movie [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► where they're not a montage and in this [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► case it is a montage of research with [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► card catalogs and microfilm like in a [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► movie about tech you're like oh yeah [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► that tech wasn't really in the libraries [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► that much he's in the card catalogs man [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► and it's you know and he's looking [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► things up and in the newspapers and [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► there is zooming in on things that are [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► clearly typewritten onto index cards [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► like that's how he finds the information [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► no it was said that you know it as the [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► the children of a librarian we had to [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► explain to our children what these [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► things were like what it what are they [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► doing right there in the computer well [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► they had this drawer with cards is that [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► yeah it was there was some there was [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► some excitement to the card catalog is [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► as a kid who experienced it like it some [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► both something kind of like sacred [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► likelike church where because even when [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► computers were available this was [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► different and everything was quiet and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► the library would teach you how to use [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► the card catalog and all that is lost on [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► anybody watching this movie in the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► modern era but who never did this [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► because it just seems like some kind of [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► anachronistic montage fill the things I [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► don't understand [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► remember the first time that you [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► discover the reader's guide to [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► periodical alleged literature [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► oh yeah and your relative way but there [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► is this there is this regular monthly [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► series of hard bound books that will [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► tell you to find every piece of timely [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► information ever made and if i simply [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► write this down on the [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► piece of paper a librarian will give me [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► this little magazine or this trade [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► journal that is Magic that that was [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► another one of those points of [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► intersection with real life that I [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► absolutely loved about this movie about [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► how sometimes to solve a problem you [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► can't do it in a linear straightforward [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► fashion you really do have to say I'm [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► gonna have to learn everything I [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► possibly can about this subject and i [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► will only be able to see the answer once [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► i see the entire world of information [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► around this answer and yeah I was one of [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► those kids who knew the new but the high [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► school library the the public library [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► and even the city library very very well [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► because the first time that you realize [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► that I need this piece of really [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► technical information that I have no [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► idea where to go for and then four weeks [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► later you're actually your open envelope [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and here is an actual set of data plans [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► from the patent filing for this thing [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► you want to learn about or here is a [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► technical paper written by the person [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► who invented this because you decided [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► you went to the good research library at [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► bu and they found that they found this [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► person's PhD dissertation which he [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► explained everything there was to know [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► about this video system like oh this is [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► really this is real power [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► I'm 14 years old and I stride this land [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► like a colossus so Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► becomes an expert on professor Falken [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► and discovers that he's dead he died he [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► was pretty old is 4141 screw you method [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► rhetoric that doesn't that's another [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► joke that i did not get first time I saw [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► this movie in fact that supposed to be a [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► joke because when I was a kid I I think [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► I thought that was a hold when we saw it [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► that's how old my parents were so they [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► didn't laugh uh uh oh it's funny it's [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► very funny and they figure out that his [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► his son his son who died this Joshua and [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► wherein shall we play a game the voice [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► synthesis that he turns on so that we [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► have some drama [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► other than the boot of the of the text [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► and I believe that's the actor who plays [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► falken going through like a voc order or [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► something I think that's a I think [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► that's because it's [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► in English accent and it's basically his [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► accent so i think it actually is the [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► same guy i don't know that for sure [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► sounds like him that there's a lot of [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► affectation to the voices because it's [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► not it's not like Fred where it's like a [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► you know take that little english sounds [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► and build the words out of them with a [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► couple special cases so i believe that [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► it is an accurate but it's but it's [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► affected in a way that it sounds like it [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► doesn't it makes mistakes it says things [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► in strange ways it works for dramatic [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► effect but it's not dramatic in the way [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► that human would read its dramatic in an [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► alien kind of way like sort of halting [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► strangely paste things running together [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► with weird pauses where they shouldn't [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► be I mean it's probably it's probably [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► just because i saw when i was younger [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► whatever but the voice still works for [TS]