The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the comparable number 280 December 2015 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► welcome to this the fourth i believe [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► episode of the star wars incomparable [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► series of spectacular series of amazing [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► this i don't even know so I'm your host [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► Raeleen some standing in for Jason I'm [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► because one can only talk about Star [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► Wars so much i am joined today by the [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► lovely voices you heard while people are [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► attached to those voices elisa [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► Schmeisser welcome to the show [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► I'm so happy to be here me to Erica [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► inside welcome thank you so much i am [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► thrilled [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► last but certainly not least mr. David [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► jail or hello [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► and so is our first topic of the night [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► kylo Ren's hair or is it kylo Ren's hair [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► my mind Laurens hair haha actually so [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► it's amazing like well actually this is [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► really unfair um I'm sorry I've just [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► been so excited to talk to somebody [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► about his hair for days now I've been [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► sitting on an important but i guess i [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► need to find a picture of him because i [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► did not even notice his hair what he's [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► got this here it blends into his state [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► under God to get something like that [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► that the helmet he where should be sold [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► to children under the product name vo5 [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► that's how insanely well-conditioned his [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► hair is in this it's just this big [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► luxurious it's anyway um I I maybe I i [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► may just a real estate before we started [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► this thing um maybe the way to start off [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► with this is to talk about what you may [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► or may not have been expecting and how [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► we manage our emotions going into this [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► and what the experience of watching it [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► for the first time was like and what you [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► have been chewing on since you left the [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► theater [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► yeah i think that sounds great i was [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► gonna ask for opening statements so [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► that's salisa why don't you start sure [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► I'm i saw on saturday with my local nerd [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► posse and we got there an hour ahead of [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► time there is still a very very long [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► line and [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► and going into it I had tried i had [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► basically got off the internet like 30 [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► but once the months the movie premiered [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► I got off the internet and said I didn't [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► want to be spoiled [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► I didn't want to be inadvertently [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► spoiled like I knew what the name of [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► some of the characters were and had a [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► rough approximation of all things a [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► stormtrooper whatever but I didn't want [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► to know any plot twists and so you know [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► off the internet for 36 hours reading [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► home design books and we go inside and i [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► have to admit i like the minute that the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► kraal started at the exact same angle [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► and the music comes up and you see the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► field of stars like I'm alone I was [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► applauding along with everyone else in [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► the theater and I let out this breath i [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► had been on where i was holding and as [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► the whole movie unfolded I was like this [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► feels very familiar and at some point in [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► the middle of movies like I really don't [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► be J Andrews because who wants to be [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► handed this huge franchise along with ok [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► get a whole new generation excited and [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► involved in a way they haven't been [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► before but try not to irritate the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► people who spent the last 35 years of [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► their lives being emotionally invested [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► in the you know the stuff that came out [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► in the seventies and by the time the [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► movie was done and we got the theater ho [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► my god he did it he did but I'm so [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► relieved that could have been really bad [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► and it was entertaining and i do want to [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► see it again because i want to see the [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► stuff i miss and huh [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► and like any year where I was really let [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► down by avengers age of ultron and I've [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► had to reckon with my feelings about the [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► marble franchise to come back to the [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► franchise that I legitimately like [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► kickstart kick-started like my sense of [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► self is up as a kindergartner even like [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► to come back to that and to see somebody [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► who is pushing it in new directions [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► while remember what made it fun in the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► first place [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► oh my god it was such a sense of relief [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah I I'm on board [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► David what about you well before I say [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► anything else about it i should say that [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► I loved it great time but oh god I loved [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► it but I loved it but I went to see it [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► thursday night 8pm first showing in the [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► area took the boys my wife did not want [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► to see it [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► she's been the star wars fan in the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► family all this time but she did not [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► want to see it yeah and we went in and [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► you know we watched it and I was I was [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► surprised it was not packed it was full [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► it was more full than I thought it was [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► going to be by the time the movie [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► started because when we got there was [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► deserted like oh ok we got here really [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► early and the boys were great you know [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► we watch the movie and the whole time [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► I'm with it and and I thought he did a [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► great job working Spock into there and [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► you know that was tough but I i did you [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► just say Spock is this lady Ashley don't [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► encourage it doesn't encourage him [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► don't encourage him well I mean JJ spent [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► two movies trying to turn Jim Kirk into [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► luke skywalker so you know this is what [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► he's been meant to do and and and that [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► might give away that I'm not a huge fan [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► of JJ's work [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► this is the best thing I think he's done [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► he did a great job with it and and yeah [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► it is a daunting thing to have to take [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► over and be the first person to do this [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► not just not just that you're doing a [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► Star Wars film but the first one who [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► isn't like blessed by George Lucas [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► however I thought there were a little [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► too many repetitious plot threads and it [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► was you know I appreciate fanservice [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► some of that was okay I appreciate [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► echoes and resonances and and all that [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► and that's great and it is it is grand [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► mythic saga storytelling that's fine but [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► the only things that really worked for [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► me in the movie where the things that [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► were completely new that were unusual [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► that surprised me that I didn't say oh [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► well I know what's going to happen next [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► everything where I started to see [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► residences I was like okay I know what's [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► gonna happen next and hopefully he's [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► going to surprise me and not one study [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► surprise me [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► so you know but i loved it was a great [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► ride the whole time and after having [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► seen the prequels in the theater this [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► was redemptive this was Star Wars again [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► so I'm okay with that you know I'm [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► waiting to see if the next two are gonna [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► be different [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► yeah I should hope so Erica what about [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► you why just first of all I want to say [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► to be fair [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► David you have like a superpower of [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► being able to tell where things are [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► going and i'm not talking about how many [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► times you have just known the entire [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► plot of what you're watching from the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► beginning so I really don't think that [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► your assessment is is one that should be [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► it should be judged without knowing that [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► piece of information i should say part [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► of why my wife didn't want to see it is [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► because as soon as Harrison Ford was [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► cast she knew exactly what was gonna [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► happen and she knew exactly who the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► villain was and she's not a writer so [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► when I came out and she goes well and I [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► went [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► yep that was it so it wasn't even like [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► oh well this is how much screen time he [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► has this is don't know it was just the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► fact that he was cast in it that's it i [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► have seen it twice now the first time I [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► thought was a Thursday night and you [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► know completely full theater and then [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► the second time was sunday night in [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► another theory that was pretty much [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► completely full [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► so so yeah I loved it enough to to go [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► and see it a second time I think the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► second time i watched it I enjoyed it [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► more simply because i was so nervous the [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► first time just because I was you know I [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► was worried that it wasn't going to be [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► good and I don't have the same quite the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► same like childhood connection to star [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► wars that a lot of people do but I think [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► I was more worried about it just for my [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► friends sakes because you know we're [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► deeply deeply invested in it and I was [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► worried it was gonna suck and they were [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► going to be crushed and I don't want my [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► friends to ever be sad because that's [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► just that's how i roll so the second [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► time i was able to just kind of relax [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► and take it in a little bit more than [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► what than the first time and I i really [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► enjoyed all of it and this is coming [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► from someone who knows a lot about the [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► star wars universe and likes it a lot [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► but doesn't feel the same way about it [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► the kind of everybody else does [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► I mean I love the original trilogy but i [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► also love the Phantom Menace so we're [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► going to know if you are interested in [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► why I'm not going to go into it here [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► because this is not the time or the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► listen to episode 10 of unjustly [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► maligned [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► on the incomparable network nice cross [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► roll motion that was wonderful yeah well [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► and that was my thing I mean I i did I [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► grew up with it but it wasn't I mean I [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► was always the star trek fan [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► this was the thing I liked right but my [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► wife was always the huge fan and she [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► didn't want to see this night and I said [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► is because of the prequels she said no [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► when she was younger she was not you [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► know fairytale princess and all that she [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► was not that kind of girl [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► Star Wars was her fairytale and I think [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► it's safe to say that if people have [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► listened to this mini and incomparables [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► about this movie we don't have to worry [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► about the spoiler horn basis you know I [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► was gonna say this is tyler episode just [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► take that for granted everyone [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► so basically you know it the the thought [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► of han and Leia having you know been [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► estranged for many years and their child [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► is on the dark side and all this like no [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► she didn't want to see that all she does [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► not want to see this movie even now even [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► knowing even even when I said you know [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► all the rest of it is really cool and it [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► worked i love the new characters really [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► that's great [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► not interested don't want to see I'm [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► going through a midlife crisis stuff I [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► don't want to see that in my favorite [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► movie couple ever [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► no I can totally I can totally [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► sympathize with that is jarring to see [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► the characters that you identified with [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► who have entered your own personal [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► headcanon fixing a certain spic plates [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► in space and time it's jarring to see [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► the main and and and the mortality and [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► you know being a parent now and seeing [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► these was you know that hit me which I [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► was not expecting yeah I am I grew up [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► with him so I was the story i've been [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► telling to people is and I was seven [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► months old when Return of the Jedi came [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► out the whole God my mind sorry did you [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► shrink down in your seat to just then [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► no I'm reaching for the fish all the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► lubricant by joint so that this burning [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► jeredy yeah yeah yeah so I was seven [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► months old in Return of the Jedi came [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► out and my mom went to see the theater [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► everyone to see that the theater and she [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► took me with her because she didn't have [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► a babysitter so return of the jedi was [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► my first movie and I remember when I was [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► very very little like watching watching [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► and mom being like no look at the teddy [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► bears like watch the teddy bears and so [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► I don't have the hatred for for the the [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► he walks as many nerds do and because [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► that was like my gateway into Star Wars [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► and its kind of always been a lot like [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► Star Trek it's always kind of been in [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► the background of my life like it's just [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► something I've always taken for granted [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► because it's always been there and I [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► didn't let myself think about the force [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► awakens until we were in the theater [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► my husband was like are you excited I'm [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► like no I'm managing expectations are [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► you excited yet no I'm not thinking [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► about it I mean [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► you my expectations and I cried I cried [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► like four times during the movie [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► I cried when when the opening crawl [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► started i like because I totally see [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► David what you're saying about like the [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► fanservice but for me that hit all the [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► right notes that was like my my pat on [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► the back from JJ he totally has has [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► destroyed star trek for me that was my [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► pad on the bag like it it's okay this is [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► for you I understand where you're coming [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► from and who you are that was you know [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► and and even though the second time i [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► watched I was like okay some of these [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► Han and Chewie exchanges maybe you know [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► we could do without but you know it was [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► still like that reassuring like this is [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► okay and I think that's why they're in [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► there and and I i didn't really mind [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► those it was it was purely the the plot [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► elements that were slavish Lee [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► duplicated like just no style [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► ok you are going to have to debate this [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► a little bit and well because my overall [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► theory theory of Star Wars it's two [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► thoughts star trek theory of track [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► sounds much cooler at the whole point of [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► Star Wars it's even and universe to it's [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► an epic cycle and the worry and the way [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► I saw the reason I saw so many [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► intentional parallels between episode 4 [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► episode 7 was to prime the audience for [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► the fact that the same struggle is [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► happening and it's just as a new [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► generation that's picked it up and the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► dramatics takes that we have in this [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► iteration of the cycle the questions are [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► will we see history repeat itself is the [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► cycle unchanging or can people do things [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► that permanently alter the the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► permanently alter that the circuit of [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► events that's good that's going to come [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► around totally and you know and and i [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► like that they made Han Solo the Ben [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► Kenobi figure I'm not ice [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► I love that and what I really love about [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► that is when he came on and using a [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► swashbuckling but my first snipe that [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► was Oh Harrison Ford's just too old to [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► pull this off and then I realized that [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► what they were doing is this is a dude [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► who's basically [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► going through the motions and falling [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► back on unhealthy coping mechanisms [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► because something so big and so bad [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► happened that it probably broke him and [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► his capacity to believe in himself as a [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► better man and like once I started and [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► then once i looked at the performance [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► that way like it made a lot more sense [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► and I was a lot less irritated with the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► initial hump presentation and so I I'd [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► like the parallels I like that layer or [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► Ghana has gone from being this 19 year [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► old upstart to you know this this really [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► tired general and I like that we're [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► already seeing variations on the theme [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► on the NSA my cycle because you have [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► somebody you know like the baddies mom [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► is fighting for his hole which is not [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► something that's happened in the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► previous cycles i love that are Luke [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► Skywalker's a woman this time around [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► like I can't even begin to talk about [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► like how powerful and moving that is to [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► me and i also like that we're seeing [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► more fleshed-out elements of what it's [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► like to live under the the Empire and I [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► think these are like little plot too [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► many clues that this iteration of the [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► cycle is going to be slightly different [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► directions but you are going to have to [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► expect things like a warped train or [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► trainer mentee dynamic family issues [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► working themselves out [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► you know stuff like that I i should i [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► should say I'd all of that is exactly [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► I'm a hundred percent with you it is [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► literally the mechanical plot elements [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► of they have to destroy it's like okay [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► if the Death Star didn't work twice then [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► let's just build a gigantic version of [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► it with the same problem with the same [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► with the same kind of flaw to it [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► yeah and you know let's let's hide a [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► little piece of information in a droid [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► ok let's go to the same kind of high of [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► Richard scum [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it's ok to do other things along the way [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► the grand the grand parts of it were [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► perfect [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► it's you look at the elements though [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► like finding that piece of hidden [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► information is always part of any [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► narrative quest and the fact that like [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► it obviously worked for Princess Leia so [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► like why wouldn't this be part of the [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► Rebel playbook right i mean i said [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► like something that Luke would totally [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► do be like you know he's a little bit [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► sentimental as he's going away [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► why not do exactly that and building a [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► death building like a planet star [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► whatever you want to call it sucks the [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► energy out of the Sun because hand-wave [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► hand-wave hand wave like this is exactly [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► what you would expect nazi general [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► weasley to come up with because this is [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► the Empire and they can't believe they [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► can win they can't be so they can't put [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► the thing is do you really think the [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► Empire like is filled with scientists [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► are like we're going to disrupt the [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► paradigm of planet blower-upper thing is [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► like like there's no silicon valley in [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► the Empire it's just not that's [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► generally that just they tried to [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► improve upon their model and instead of [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► instead of building a new one they used [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► a planet to create one and let's just [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► make it bigger [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► yeah I ever and it wasn't like there it [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► was not like there was you know an open [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► hole that somebody could fly into and [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► just shoot it let's let's let's be fair [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► they're actually had to send a squad and [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► it took more than one shot and one ship [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► was yeah as a matter of fact that all of [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► those shots that didn't work at all what [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► it took was the people are physically [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► sneaking inside blowing it up from the [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► inside which created a new hole that [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► they were then able to to to use to get [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► in there and blow it up so it was the [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► only reason a an x-wing was able to get [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► in there and blow it up is because on [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► solo had done the work first right well [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► in and speaking of resonance and you [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► know one of the things I worried about [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► when when the movie started and so [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► they're estranged and all that was the [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► thought that well you know the journey [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► he went on in the first trilogy where [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► he's kind of redeemed from being the [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► scruffy smuggler type [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► well that's all out the window but with [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► a dove they did a beautiful job of [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► actually carrying it forward and [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► implausibly going ok this is where he [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► would be if this happened and not only [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► that he's not really the scruffy stuck [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► smuggler anymore i almost said scruffy [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► snuggler which everybody i think is that [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► for a while to me was always yeah that [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► happened and but you know it is sort of [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► the resonance of that final moment on [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► the bridge right we're now it's echoing [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► that moment where Ben and Darth Vader or [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► about to [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► fighting the Death Star and they're all [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► watching that happen right and and he's [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► the one is like my kid we just gotta go [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► no now but now he's the one who's not [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► only making it happen he's the one [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► stepping forward he is literally been in [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► that moment [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► exactly which is beautiful you had that [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► whole thing that's you know I can I can [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► forgive all the other plot mechanics [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► just because that was so nicely done and [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► and it carried his protagonist journey [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► to its proper our conclusion was just [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► lovely [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► I knew that was gonna happen like I knew [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► he was gonna die when they embarked upon [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► the rescue mission right when it was [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► chewy and hot and and Finn going into [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► the base I was like yeah he's he's gonna [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► die because he he's obviously been right [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► well he spent the whole movie saying hey [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► this is great tomorrow is my my [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► retirement this is your last day of work [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► of course yeah there's also too much of [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► him in there for him to be back for more [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► movies you know that but like so I spent [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► that whole time they were on the base [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► just like okay he's gonna die when is it [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► going to happen when is it can happen [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► like when it like I was just waiting for [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► him to die like that whole time I kind [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► of was [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► I'd forgotten about it by that time but [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► the the moment that I figured out that [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► Han Solo was going to die was actually [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► when I was listening to the incomparable [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► episode where Jason and red and John and [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► Danny were talking about their [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► excitement for the movie and like their [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► expectations the spoiler free one not [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► talking about a trailer and serenity was [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► saying how she was was really excited [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► for this film and the thing that made [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► her get her hopes up the most was seeing [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► Harrison Ford be interviewed about it [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► and how he's such a notorious grump in [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► interviews and he actually seemed kind [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► of enthusiastic and a little bit jazzed [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► about this film and she thought if this [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► is enough for Harrison Ford to be you [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► know kind of smiling and enthusiastic [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► and having fun with it that means it's [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► probably a really good movie and in my [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► head I'm going know that means his [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► character is going to die he's a giant [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► grumpy troll and he's just sitting there [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► on the stage thinking haha guys you're [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► gonna have to watch me die and it's just [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► relieved you start with the franchise [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► now we don't I don't [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► to come back for two more exactly yeah [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► but that it was I liked that there were [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► all of those echoes because um and and I [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► liked him [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► I can't remember Lupita's character's [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► name and the possible as mom as cannot [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► mass cannot thank you cannot i have [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► you're always gonna find watering holes [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► in frontiers I mean I get that we had [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► the Tatooine thing with the wretched [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► hive of scum and villainy and you meet [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► han Solo there and so on and so forth [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► but this is one of the things I've [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► always appreciated i like the trading [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► posts i love seeing cloud city in the [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► but the last iteration of the cycle for [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► example i actually think that was one [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► thing that was kind of missing from [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► episodes 123 was all the cultures were [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► so siloed and the Jedi seem to be you [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► know the only ones that come to move [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► around i like the idea that you do have [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► these shifting you do have these places [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► that after shifting borderlands where [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► course that's where Han Solo that's what [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► console is gonna he's gonna find another [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► yeah that's right he's gonna know where [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► they are it's a place to exchange [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► information six place to be well it's [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► supposed to get lost it's a place to [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► find something you're looking for but [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► what I loved about this one was it felt [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► so timeless I mean you have that statue [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► up there which which gave the impression [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► of of great age as it were [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► he did say she'd run it for a thousand [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► years exactly and then you all those [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► banners and whether or not it was [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► intentional as kind of a guide invited [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► to it and I like entrust that character [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► as well i'm a sucker for mortal [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► bartenders i guess and method I i was [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► also getting kind of a Marion Ravenwood [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► vibe to it's like that's like her place [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► and raiders I like the whole well this [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► works for these cultures so you know [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► we're going to go back and we're gonna [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► finally blown up all that we've blown up [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► all the Jacen and Jaina Skywalker pink [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► get whatever business that that Lucas [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► with the twins and and all that you know [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► we blow up all this stuff that you nerds [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► have considered continuity for years and [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► we're starting fresh but i like that it [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► seems like there's a lot of really rich [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► cultural texture that they're they're [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► pulling into it the same way I'm kind of [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► fascinated by the thriving scavenger [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► business that's going on Jacko like the [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► fact that the Empire doesn't come back [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► to clean up or salvage any way shape or [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► form [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► I find that really interesting and weird [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► and I really this is their way of doing [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► the salvage I mean they very very likely [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► could be the ones you know the first [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► order that are buying all of those parts [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► off of the merchants who are selling you [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► know buying it with bread and now [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► because i'm wondering why you wouldn't [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► just you know send all those are all [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► children of their stealing from other [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► cultures in turning into stormtroopers [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► why you wouldn't just do like if you can [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► ascend pushing a broom as a sanitation [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► engineer in a facility could certainly [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► have these dudes trippin around the trip [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► around that's necessarily I mean they [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► may have lost a good chunk of their of [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► their workforce [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► well they want a big-ass rocking into [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► this movie [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► very true so I mean I think it's [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► probably the priorities are keeping [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► things set on under their new Starkiller [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► base as opposed to you you know [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► scavenging parts that may or may not [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► even be useful i am just who leaves its [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► small child on a planet like that I want [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► to find out the like I like that they're [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► enraged to questions that are bugging me [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► and he it was Lou he's not supposed to [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► have kids like this is how we got-we [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► we've gotten three generations of [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► skywalker DNA monkeying with the [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► universe's is that one of them couldn't [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► keep his pants maybe I don't know I feel [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► like that the loop thing is a little eat [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► that's a little too i think so too yeah [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► first that's without my first I was like [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► all it's obvious but then actually then [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► Stephen my husband was pointing out to [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► me that in that very last scene where [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► it's it's just the two of them and [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► they're not speaking he's not actually [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► looking at ray he's looking at the [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► lightsaber that his daughter he would [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► not be looking at the lightsaber yeah [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► yeah maybe she's a Kenobi [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► mm well interested that's the raises the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► question did obi-wan Kenobi bother [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► sticking to the Jedi Code after he ran [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► off to Tatooine [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► oh god no i mean like you had a girl [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► having a backwater and I board but let's [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► talk about Ray because she is [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► I mean I'm sure that other panels talked [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► about her but whatever we're gonna do it [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► because i have enough to be squeezed [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► right of any right or no [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► over and over again so we've got this [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► little girl we get like this very brief [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► glance of her backstory and other than [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► seeing her be amazing like taking things [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► apart exploring the desert inn in an [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► effort to take things apart and we have [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► some hints that are past like she's able [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► to pilot she knows about the [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► modifications made to the more the the [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► Falcon so like obviously she's i know i [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► don't know there's like something [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► happening there and she's really complex [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► and really really awesome [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► she uh gosh i love her so much as a [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► character yeah i might might you know we [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► have the thing of you know why aren't [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► there any action figures of rain why are [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► they all the men why why does the [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► multipack like all the men and then like [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► an extra tie fighter pilot why isn't ray [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► in there instead of a TIE fighter pilot [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► right here and and mine mine goes yeah [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► i'd like to get raked she's cool she's [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► the hero [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► I guess we can get fit and post so she [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► can rescue them [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► yeah so she can rescue them actually [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► like yes this is the greatest part is is [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► I loved it when she's like stop holding [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► my hand is her haha markets and I i was [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► thinking back to how I would have [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► reacted seeing this as a five or [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► six-year-old because i saw at the time [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► so I told the story and podcast before I [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► saw stars my kindergarten class was a [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► field trip and I distinctly recall like [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► my feet being too my legs sticking out [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► on the cinema see because the seat was [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► so big but like the reason and i [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► imprinted on Princess Leia his she was [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► literally like nothing else I had ever [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► seen you know and this is the kind of [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► business I want to be rather than the [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► one that sits around Simpers of birds [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► until she falls asleep or whatever you [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you and my wife we get along [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► I don't be letting and when I watched [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► this and I saw ray [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► it was almost like traveling back in [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► time to that younger person and thinking [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► wow this is you she's even better than [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► princess late because granted Princess [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► Leia that's a really high bar for what [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► she could do but you have somebody who [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► you know who survives is really brutal [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► world you know she's surviving she's not [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► she's not thriving necessarily but she's [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► not it [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► she she's not you know so destitute that [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► she's in danger of [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► of dying for any for any reason you know [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► she's she's got ambition she's got focus [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► she's got skills and she's adaptable and [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► has a principals in her code and is [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► resilient and tough and large source [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► file and learns quickly [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► yep and you know you look at everything [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► that she is and she does and how [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► fiercely loyal she's to people and how [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► donation she is and I kept thinking wow [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► that is there are going to be the little [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► girls across this country who I'm you [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► know if they were using justin from toy [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► story is there a little before like [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► raised on their mental toy shelf next to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► jesse and Rainbow Dash and all of the [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► other all of the other strong determined [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► tenacious resourceful characters that [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► populate the world and i love that we [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► have that I love that she's not a [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► girlfriend like this has been my big [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► complaint about the star trek reboot is [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► how poorly the female characters have [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► fared yep and I've been having that [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► problem and having that problem with [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► Marvel to like I think this is one of [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► the reasons i'm so happy about jessica [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► jones is because it's breaking the [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► streak but you know I've been going to [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► marvel movies where I asked you were [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► asked where asked to imagine a world [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► where space aliens are secretly vikings [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► and and Mandy can turn into giant [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► reading range machines after being [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► exposed to radiation and like apparently [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► the idea that women would maybe hang out [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► with each other or have agency or [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► anything like that like that beggars [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► belief [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► so that's that science-fiction yeah Oh [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► what that's crazy talk so it was nice [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► that star wars just treat it so [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► matter-of-factly like of course a of [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► course Leigh is the general who has more [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► experience with crazy Skywalker's going [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► to the dark side and cheetahs and of [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► course ray manages very well on her own [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► and she's strong in the force and of [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► course the thousand-year-old bartender [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► who happens two to run one of the most [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► successful culture trading post as part [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► of the university's lady and of course [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► like I was telling my husband who would [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► go see a movie with me because he really [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► liked that turned off by the prequels i [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► was like i said it was so nice to just [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► see when included they were just there [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► like everywhere there in the background [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► they were running things that was [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► fighter pilot was a woman because i can [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► remember watching she was child and [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► being like why are there no female [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► pilots or why why are there no female [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► smokers and like it was so nice just to [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► see how much more radical egalitarianism [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► this this movie was in the stuff that [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► came before it [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► well to be fair i believe Jedi did have [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► a female pilot which is still the same [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► ratio that we have for this one yes [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► there's only one in this correct [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► yeah she has lines that which I'm very [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► excited I is I honestly thought she was [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► gonna die because I'm like oh god [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► anytime you see a woman who's hanging [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► with the boys she gets killed I all I [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► could think was if if there had been a [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► female fighter pilot in the original [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► Star Wars it's like naming the fat guy [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► Porkins here would have been like [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► pleading guy or something [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► flylady yeah well sliding five are you [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► ready to this is the first movie I've [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► walked out of in i do walked out of it [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► out but i don't know where i was going [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► to say recent memory but like just [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► memory where I I felt really good [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► because you know the typical thing is [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► like oh we've got this woman and she's [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► strong and resourceful and tenacious and [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► like all those those traits that Lisa [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► listed and then in the last half hour [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► she needs to be rescued by the fin and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► Han and Chewie and she didn't ray didn't [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► need that Ray was capable written up [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► later so I loved it right the whole [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► thing and I you know I walked out of [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► guardians of the galaxy feeling really [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► really bad i walked out of an age of [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► Ultron Ultron feeling really really [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► meant like scarlett johansson is is the [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► Hulk's girlfriend in that movie [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► well like kind of an kind of Hawkeye's [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► like I don't know like jealous of his [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► family like I don't it was just bizarre [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► to me and the same for Star Trek we have [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► and we have scientist lady who strips [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► down to her underwear for no reason like [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► constant constant let downs in my [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► science fiction which is a kid nearly [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► disappointing and this didn't have that [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► and I walked out and I was like this [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► this is the movie i have been waiting [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► for forever at the bit at the [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► the risk of bringing it down i still [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► think it's aight i still think it's [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► hogwash that you cast a woman of color [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► and then hydrogen cgi I was just going [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► to say that like I don't understand why [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► we don't have did they decide after she [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► was cast if they were gonna make that [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► character cgi because that would suck [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► I don't know I don't know I don't think [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► so but yes I'm okay then i but then i [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► don't feel like that but I mean I think [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► she was designed to be Yoda sk yeah but [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► which again resonance it's such a it is [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► a little crazy to me that in Star Wars [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► you have more characters who are you [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► know made with rubber masks or CGI or [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► who are droids who have lines and agency [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► and and speaking parts in this world [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► then you do men of color much as women [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► of color like it's it's still a [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► relentlessly white universe and we just [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► the thing that kind of baffles me you [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► know and anyone spreading a wide net [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► here to also include star trek and also [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► include the marvel vs um it is crazy to [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► me that if you have a medium that isn't [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► that that is inherently built on we took [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► this world moved at 45 degrees and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► through and crazy stuff that like [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► somehow your standard is still lots of [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► white dudes you know [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► yeah and so while i'm excited that John [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► boyega is obviously going to be an [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► important part of this franchise hooray [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► and Daisy Ridley hooray [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► you know it's it's still it's a lot of [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► dudes and I was the others along a lot [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► of white people [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► yeah this is a long way to go but i i'm [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► i'm still at the same time happy that [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► they've gotten as far they have and then [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► going back to just talking about Ray for [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► a moment [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► um one of the things I love about her is [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► that she is super awesome and super [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► capable but she's not infallible like [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► she's right of getting to see her screw [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► up for example accidentally opening the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► doors to the ship to let go crazy [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► monster monster beast that was such a [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► great sequence which was you know kind [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► of it a little bit of hilarity and then [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► also just seeing her screw up and she's [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► also kind of socially a little bit weird [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► and awkward because she's lived by [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► yourself in an at4 like her entire life [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► practically so it's a [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► it's nice that she isn't a hundred [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► percent on the ball all the time and we [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► get to see it when she's not [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► yeah and it's nice to see your mess up [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► and be like instead of like beating [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► herself up she's like okay that didn't [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► go the way I expected [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► how do i fix it and it was good to see [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► and that's the kind of attitude you'd [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► expect from somebody who grew up and [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► managed to make it to the age that she [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► is at on a planet like Jack who [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► yeah and it's like all the talk online [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► from certain quarters that all she's a [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► mary-sue well you know friends look well [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► no no no no a hero is designed to be [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► idealized his he or she is designed to [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► be the person that we identify with that [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► we want to be in that story a mary-sue [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► is someone who comes into the story that [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► as a proxy is a proxy for the writer is [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► a proxy for the fan who is the best [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► thing ever and then leaves they're not a [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► permanent part of that story they're not [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► the enemy that's it came from Star Trek [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► fan fiction that's where the term comes [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► from and you know it's like oh here's an [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► insulin who saves the ship and saved [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► everybody's lives and gets promoted all [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► the way to Admiral in the course of half [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► an hour that's a mary-sue this is just a [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► hero and she's meant to be the [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► cornerstone of this next section of the [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► saga that is not a mary-sue that is a [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► hero [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► so I guess the question I have is is [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► nerd culture or more specifically dude [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► nerd culture so accustomed to women as [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► objects to be one or supporting [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► characters who give the men something to [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► do IE rescue them with them whatever or [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► or background wallpaper that they can't [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► handle it when women have that the [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► defining traits of of the protagonists [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► in the hero that might be part of it but [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► i think i think what it boils down to it [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and even a deeper level than that is [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► that as women we have been taught our [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► entire lives to we've learned how to [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► empathize with the male characters who [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► have been at the center of all these [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► adventure stories boys were never taught [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► to do that with girl characters so they [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► now see this person who is awesome and [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► who is the center of this film and they [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► are many of them are not equipped to [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► empathize with this character that they [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► feel that it's wrong for them to sort of [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► put themselves in this character shoes [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► because my god she's a girl [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► whereas we've been doing that with point [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► characters forever and ever and ever so [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► we have no trouble with it so it's it's [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► it's basically a new skill set that [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► needs to be built by an awful awful lot [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► of people [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► yeah and I mean honestly if more people [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► could step outside of themselves and [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► empathize with someone who doesn't look [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► just like them [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► what does that solve a lot of problems [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► in the world today [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► no didn't you know i mean i was i was [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► raised when I was a child my mother was [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► a single mother and so everything that I [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► got all of the the pop-culture I got [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► came filtered through that experience [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► and and the importance of being able to [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► see elements of yourself four elements [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that you would like to be part of [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► yourself in people who were not at all [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► like yourself and you know I i feel very [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► lucky about that I try to do that but [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► with our kids it's like you know it's [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► okay i mean that's what it my 14 year [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► olds favorite movie of the year was fury [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► road my 11 year olds favorite was inside [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► out our favorite altogether was was the [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► force awakens what's the thread they're [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► all females they're all that's the hero [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► anyway and that's and I do it as you [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► kind of mentioned before lean i love [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► that that they don't really make a big [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► deal out of the fact that she is a girl [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► they don't make a big deal out of the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► fact that that fame is a black man they [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► just they are these characters and [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► they're interacting in the way that they [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► are just as people like currently own [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► and I'm sure this which this I'm sure [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► this will change after I've seen it a [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► few more times because my favorite bits [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► of movies always change but my current [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► favorite chunk of the film is from the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► time that thing gets to the outpost [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► where where ray buerre lives and you [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► know sees her and goes to rescue her and [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► then realizes why don't let me just idle [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► away here she clearly doesn't need any [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► help and down all the way like all of [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► their interactions through running [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► through stealing the Millennium Falcon [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► until the point where they have escaped [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► the planet and it's in an open the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► autopilot in space or something like [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► that and they meet each other in the [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► corridor and their excitedly talking [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► over each other [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► and they just they're so jazz in the end [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► with this big hug it's like that's [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► that's the kind of reaction that i want [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► to see more in movies after an [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► experience like this so often characters [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► just sort of like yeah they brush it off [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► we've just been through something crazy [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► cool we lived know this is this is what [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► I would be doing I'd be freaking the [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► heck out what somebody hug and that is [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► what they do and they don't make a big [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► deal that she's a girl he's black [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► they're just they just hug right i think [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► what made my gave me a lump in my throat [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► of that though is they're both such [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► lonely people [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► yes and part of the reason they're so [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► getting and they're hugging is because [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► for the first time they're not alone and [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► that it and and it's it's it's our hood [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► oh my god you know it's it's they like [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► leveled up in humanities or it like it's [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► about community here I got a whole new [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► world the whole experience but you know [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► you had two people who he says he was [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► taken from a family he doesn't remember [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► and they have that senior captain fast [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► was talking about how it was set for [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► reconditioning and you'll note that the [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► picture of him on the profile they bring [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► up is not the adults in the little boy [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► they stole right and and again ray was I [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► guess left by somebody who is concerned [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► about her well-being when she was only [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► six or seven years old so they both have [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► the experience of being ripped from you [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► ripped from their families they've been [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► rated they've either been raised to [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► raise themselves and very you know cars [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► Harrison isolationist environments [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► they're both very lonely people who are [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► also a little bit confused as to why [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► things are happening to them the way the [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► heart and and they survive an experience [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► together and what's more is that like [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► it's the together part that I think [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► moves the more than the survive part [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► because they have probably separately [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► survived pretty awful things and had [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► nobody to process it with but this time [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► there is somebody who not only will [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► listen to that other person cares what [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► happened to them and that's like a whole [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► new experience for them to and it just [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► gave me like a lump in my throat you [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► know what one and not only that but ten [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► tell me if I'm mistaken when when they [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► first meet and they're you know they're [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► running they're being chased any and he [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► keeps grabbing your hand here dad got in [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► my hand isn't is that the only time that [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► anyone sort of makes a very [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► stereotypical your girl come on [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► I i think that [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► the only time in the whole movie and and [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► what's really great about that whole [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► sequence is that it starts off with [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► their they are kind of formal the area i [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► mean they had know each other at that [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► moment and just through that whole [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► experience they come back around to [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► having a shared experience which they've [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► never really had with anyone before and [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► that's what culminates in the hug too [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► and I mean it's just a beautiful moment [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► so the grabbing of the hand do you think [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► that was some of the JJ Abrams all [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► thrown some levity to get people [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► invested and have them laughed through [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► the tension or do you think that was [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► honestly supposed supposed to point to [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► something where maybe Finn is kind of [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► remembering some of the social mores [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► that may have been that he may have [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► experienced before abduction and and [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► conditioning [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► I think that's both i think it is a very [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► proper traditional this is how you were [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► raised [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► you do this and complexity stormtroopers [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► being big on chivalry [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► yeah I wonder I've been wondering about [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► that too I was wondering if this was JJ [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► Abrams sending up the action convention [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► or if this was at work because you know [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► it's not like they're there are things [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► he does that seem anachronistic or see [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► mostly to be done to you know connect [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► audiences and make them feel like was a [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► reverent um as opposed to stuff that [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► might be in there deliberately to try to [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► set to try to lay down clues or sending [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► messages and with the hand-holding thing [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► i'm honestly not sure because again [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► JJ Abrams does sometimes do stuff that's [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► meant just to win audiences over like [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► James Kirk of the song sabotage its kind [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► of necklace of some young man today [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► driving his car around to like a 1920s [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► bootleg tune I got the impression that [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► he would be doing that same sort of [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► thing I mean possibly even if it was a [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► guy that it that's just his his reaction [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► especially you know Keith he was a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► stormtrooper his first battle he sees [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► one of his friends died you know [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► thank goodness for us that he does so we [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► can recognize him cause he's completed [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► his mask and then the the first person [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► that that he it connects to in any way [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► is actually po Dameron and then they [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► escaped together so that's his first [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► experience of working together with [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► someone and having that that [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► togetherness experience which is Lisa [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► said that's a really important and [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► powerful thing and then hold eyes which [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► had to have been such a huge blow to him [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► that I think you know that his his [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► natural reaction after [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► that fact is if he sees you know maybe [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► somebody that he is has any kind of [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► connection with you know even though [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► he's only said a few words to her they [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► they are now somewhat connected [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► something scary at all [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► he grabs your hand and he runs when in [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► the end the stormtroopers are big on [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► chivalry but they are big on proper [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► orders and this is the purple violet [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► printed that can talk this is the proper [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► thing to do in this moment and you do [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► this right it's not it's not your choice [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► you do this because this is what you're [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► supposed to do and that's I mean that's [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► how I was trained chivalrously right you [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► know you hold the door for ladies you do [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► this you do that did you don't question [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► it right and so I did that [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► it struck me as it was combination of [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► both of those things from the other side [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► it's interesting too that you know ray [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► keep saying stop taking my hand I can [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► run without you taking my hand which i [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► would expect from somebody who has his [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► load on her own for so long [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► which to me makes the the hug scene [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► after they survive even more touching [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► because she's been you know sort of like [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► you know not wanting the physical [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► contact and now she's just so [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► overwhelmed with with the happy feels [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► that she's good with a hug [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► hmm oh yeah it's it's certainly more [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► subtle emotional development that we've [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► gotten into the others i think the other [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► installments and I say this is somebody [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► who loves movies four through six [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► episodes four through six and would be [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► really willing to revisit episodes 1-3 [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► so I i revisited 13 when the kids were a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► couple years younger and been revisited [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► them several times and then I finally [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► snapped and played them the incomparable [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► episodes about the first the the one two [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► and three and now we've heard Steve [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► let's say go wash your droid more than [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► we've actually seen the prequels now so [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► nature and nurture i purposely did not [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► listen to the in comfortable episode [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► about episode 1 because I just don't [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► want to hear at you don't they know [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► their problems with that movie but I [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► don't like you but you don't want to [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► know you don't have to go to ebay i'm [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► happy to listen to rip apart 2 and 3 i'm [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► good with that haha [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► special means if we're gonna talk about [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► things that bothered us about the movie [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► one of the things that bothered me was [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► and they they just like anyone they met [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► they were like oh yeah this droid has [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► has the map to Luke that was like that [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► but the bumpers are you already headed [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► in everything [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► wait did he hide something in all the [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► droids dude you know and it starts when [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► it starts with poe you know and it's a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► very blatant think it's an orange and [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► white droid completely unique and you [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► know like it starts with with po telling [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► thin and then fingers to the planet he's [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► like oh yeah [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► plantilla and it's just like everyone [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► they meet and I'm like it's just like [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► Rubik's droids okay do not know how to [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► keep secret service feel people out like [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► did make me laugh every time but it made [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► sense to me that pole would tell Finn [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► because he's trying to convince him [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► listen this is something that we really [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► need to do it is that important you know [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► this is the this is where we're going [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► and then I i don't know why i fain would [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► have any like it he wouldn't have any [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► reason to keep stuff like that a secret [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► so much like he doesn't care that much [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► he just he's running away [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► ok doesn't necessarily he's never lived [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► in this rebellion world he's always been [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► given orders and just marched to them so [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► he might not have a filter for that kind [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► of for that kind of information and then [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► the next time that we get somebody tell [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► told about it it's han Solo and chewy [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► which you know that makes sense to it's [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► still it's still funny every single time [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► somebody's like yeah [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► map to Luke Skywalker like come on guys [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► how do you really know these people are [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► who they say they are like I just I [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► don't know like I was raised to be more [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► suspicious so here's something where I [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► didn't know everybody yeah that's all [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► true that there is there is there is [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► that were you just like you [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► no wonder you are always getting blown [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► up everything [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► um my complaint and I feel odd making it [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► I honestly expected poder run to die and [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► like that in my opinion it would have [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► been perfect if he had died in that tie [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► fighter crashed and i think he was [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► originally supposed yeah and that would [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► the perfect MacGuffin where you're like [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► oh it's the handsome leading man type [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► and he's roguish and makes friends with [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► the storm trooper who rescued him and [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► they have a caper together and oh it's [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► over because i'm kind of a sucker for [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► that sort of sort of like one of my [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► favorite comic book starts off on black [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► orchid by Neil Gaiman starts off with [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► that kind of swerve and so when Pope [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► someone pode a man came back hello back [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► and I thought oh my god you could lesli [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► you and that's you still got that swerve [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► like for a good chunk of the movie i [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► really did think he was dead and there [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► was a time I would've liked it if you'd [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► stayed and I mean not because and this [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► is nothing in Oscar Isaac who I may [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► emphasize is his own special effect [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► that's how funny looks [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► I noticed such things to note that I [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► would you know but why not you can't [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► amazing hug at the end yeah in here like [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► others which are you able to ship go and [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► fen if yeah we're at here's my nasty [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► suspicious mind at work though is it's [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► awfully convenient now he's alive in [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► background like what if you working with [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► some way you know because it's the [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► Empire and for all we know like there [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► were a lot of Weasley's maybe there's a [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► bunch of weekly generals in different [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► parts of the of the Empire and they have [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► wheels spinning within wheels and was [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► like I'll have a couple moles in the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► resistance and this programmer and guy [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► who's a really great fighter pilot he [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► just happens to be good enough to get [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► into scrapes and maybe he's playing a [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► long con he's like some variation on the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► inside type thing so I'm like a little [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► suspicious [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► he's pretty shady then if he does that [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► because I mean he had he blows up their [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► planet killer so if he's if he is a mole [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► he is he's in the deepest of deep cover [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► yeah I'm pretty I i would not be [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► surprised i like against wheels within [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► wheels [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► um I i want to be po'd amarin you you [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► don't say that about perfect [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► oh yeah [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► you have higher factions like we don't [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► like that all of our resources are being [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► dictated by some jawless hologram madman [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► and his luscious maine daca light so let [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► you know my revolution from within block [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► a few planets to finally cast aspersions [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► on this this Death Star strategy we keep [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► trying you know to be fair it may be [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► like that worried him caucus of the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► entire you know [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► oh no I i really liked podium and he [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► swashbuckling he's like he's great I [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► just feel like he was granted back into [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► the plot like I would have liked to stay [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► down for that reason well well and I and [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► I and I think bb-8 is frankly the cap [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► from inside llewyn davis but the thing [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► is that it was a I mean I figured he [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► would come back because that's a very [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► classic cliffhanger switch you know it's [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► like all these dead [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► no he's not there's no way he could have [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► gotten out yeah he got out of class [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► second you know it's like all right [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► that's that's fair enough that's in the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► that's in the DNA of Star Wars but if [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► they were going to do that it's it's too [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► convenient for him to just suddenly [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► appear you know if there had just been [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► one hint Finn doesn't need to know it [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► Finn can still think he's dead but we [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► need to have just one little tiny [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► establishing you know a footprint [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► walking away from the crash or or just [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► something i don't know what you have [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► been missing to ruin the host of the [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► whole swerve as Lisa put it I'm glad [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► that I didn't know I wouldn't i wouldn't [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► have wanted a clue to that because then [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► I wouldn't have had that delightful [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► surprise at the end where you see that [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► getting that wasn't then they didn't do [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► it for me this this word for me is is [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► for Finn right Finn is the one who gets [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► surprised by it and then and his his [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► sadness and then his joy at the end [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► that's what makes it for me it's not [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► it's not the plot machinations of all he [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► survived it was because they did work on [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► me and I think it probably worked a lot [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► of kids insured yeah I'm sure did it was [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► kinda like the in the man from uncle [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► movie this summer where they they would [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► like intentionally leave out details and [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► then they would go back and show you the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► details they left and said see aren't we [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► so clever like no you're just scared [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► with us that's no that's not ok so it [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► rubbed me that way it was like uh huh [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► you know and like I said it doesn't have [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► to be a big thing it could be something [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► that we might miss but it should be just [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► like in the corner of the screen [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► somewhere so you go [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► ah he did survive it is okay it is he [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► didn't just miraculously show up alive [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► later but but Finn was thrown out so far [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► away like if you look right wreckage my [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► baby knit one even had a footprint that [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► wouldn't I was scared but if if in the [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► distance you say yet but yeah and if in [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► the distance you see like the trail of a [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► parachute lying over the top of the dune [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► that's where he landed we fin mrs. that [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► entirely and he's walking something like [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► that you know and yes i love the jacket [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► i want the jacket [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► oh god you have to know if anyone wants [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► to buy me the jacket i was coming i want [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► that jacket to that check is amazing [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► oh no wonder if in like that I know [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► ok so speaking of costumes i think what [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► i really like and appreciate about this [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► there's no metal bikini is anywhere in [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► sight and you know raise race stuff is [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► mostly functional when you think about [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► it I mean there's a little bit of the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► whole cold shoulder off guard [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► you know business top of the arms going [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► on but I like that hurt her clothing is [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► clearly functional um I like that is [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► really change much that she's in pants [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► the whole time I like that lady is [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► actually in pants for much of this to [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► actually the little girl I can't tell [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► you how excited I was to see in return [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► of the jedi that she was like wearing [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► pants and jumpsuits everything was [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► completely practical because you know I [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► was like oh my gosh at last I think it [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► was to balance the middle bikini in the [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► first quarter [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► oh no thats that returning to that I was [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► just an uneven and I mean it worked on [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► me as a as a boy just hitting the right [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► spot and even at that point I was like [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► yeah that's too much [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► that's no no [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► alright so we're at about an hour let's [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► and let's do some closing closing [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► thoughts happy thoughts let's end on a [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► high note so and then will will will [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► unfortunately call it good but America [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► let's start with you [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► well first of all I did bring up a [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► picture of kylo Ren so now I know what [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► he's talking about with this hair and um [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► I don't know that I would call that [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► lusciously condition it looks greasy to [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► me which makes sense because you know [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► he's been wearing a helmet all the time [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► so of course his hair is going to be [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► greasy I would keep my hands away from [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► that as far as not that any fair picture [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► you totally have to see this movie there [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► is its own special effect of the movie [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► I'm serious [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► look it's giving me the kind of like [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► creeping will use a little bit there no [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► and nobody like the first time when he [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► takes off his helmet and and you know [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► what it's like it's awfully hard to [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► block has how many he takes it off and [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► the hair comes out I was like maybe the [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► dark side of the force keeps you the [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► ability to withstand helmet hair and [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► that is compelling as the most [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► compelling argument that can feel for [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► the parts that I i will say my my only [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► issue with kylo Ren I mean I have a [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► natural that the riffing is strong in [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► this one and and so there were too many [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► moments where like you know he takes is [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► this thing off and I go hey its Vinny [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► Barbarino um aurorae CMS his character [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► from girls which is not what you want to [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► be seeing when you're watching this [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► I've never been girl so I I can i yeah [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► duh [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► mhm no but but at the very end you know [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► the the lightsaber duel which was really [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► well done and I've said this online [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► before my my feet are partners a fight [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► director and and has taught me what to [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► look for so I appreciate really good [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► fight choreography right and i'm [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► watching this and this is you know [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► really good stuff and and at the same [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► time I'm seeing the Black Knight from [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► monty python and the holy grail and so [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► every few seconds and I'm tis but a [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► flesh wound [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► no I'm like oh just put just a little [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► bit of color in his costume you wouldn't [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► have that but I'm like oh god no so i [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► kept getting ripped out of them [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► the moment by little things like that i [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► mean the fight scene is beautiful in its [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► it's kino it sort of has a real curse [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► our feeling to it which is again [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► absolutely right most of that's me [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► teacher let me be your teacher [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► yeah they're said and it's not because [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► he and it's against that hold desperate [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► need for human connection you realize my [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► god he is as lonely as Finn and as ray r [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► and this is the way he's chosen to [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► handle it instead [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► well I'm and again to go back to star [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► trek for a second is everything goes [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► back to star trek yeah it he reminded me [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► of Charlie ex who was the the little boy [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► who is raised by the aliens when his is [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► his ship was marooned somewhere and all [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► the adults died and the the all-powerful [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► beings saved him and and and he ends up [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► having to go back with them he did they [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► take him away from the enterprise at the [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► end of the episode spoiler horn and it [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► reminded me of that because if if his [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► biggest connection to anyone right now [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► is is smoke i mean that's that's no way [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► to live [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► that's that's perhaps even worse than [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► being isolated on a desert planet living [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► on a hat [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► ya know so again it's that desperate [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► need for connection that was Vader's [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► issue to write like he had the Emperor [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► and people here for our joke [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► yeah yeah not know enough to not what [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► you'd call a fun holiday list know it [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► take to get back to bite my happy thing [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► to end on though it is it is a member [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► you bring it back up here you guys I'm [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► not gonna let you rest it down is that [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► was my excitement over the character of [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► thin because he's just he's kind of this [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► wild card that we haven't really seen [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► that kind of a character type in star [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► wars before and you know he's it [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► he's it its it's self-interest but it's [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► it's nice self-interest like he mostly [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► wants to run away until the end when he [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► he goes back in and helps out but but i [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► love the idea that i have absolutely no [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► idea what his character arc is going to [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► be where he's going to go in [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► next movie he ends up unconscious and we [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► have that many lovely scene of Ray [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► kissing him on the forehead before she [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► leaves and I just am thrilled to death [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► with the idea that i don't know what [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► he's going to do in the next movie [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► that's great [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► see that's that's the thing I loved all [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► of the new characters were not analogues [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► of the old ones they had their own [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► twists their own interests they were all [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► really well-crafted they were really [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► well cast and-and-and exactly i don't [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► know where that's going I don't know [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► where she's going to wind up i don't [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► know what's going on with po and and and [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► all that i want to i walked out of the [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► the theater saying all right i want the [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► next one now I've and watched all the [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► rest of them this week where is the next [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► some of the criticism that I've heard [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► about the pipe then 10 is that he didn't [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► receive a lot of character development [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► and I think that's a good thing because [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► throughout the movie he was reacting it [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► wasn't about like oh that let them grow [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► as a person it was like no friends in [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► this really crappy situation he's in [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► fight-or-flight mode [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► yeah like that's it there's no room for [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► character development he's still [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► developing his character he's been [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► indoctrinated into the cult of [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► Stormtroopers the whole time he hasn't [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► had any other experience usually having [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► to train as we watch [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► yeah I think that's what's great about [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► him is you know he spends only he's [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► basically a puppy and he spends the [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► whole movie just just kind of you know [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► huge paws flailing everywhere you know [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► running in circles trying to figure out [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► what's what'n and he finally focus he [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► finally focuses on this one person who's [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► offered him the idea of what life could [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► be like if you're not living in constant [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► terror highly regimented constant terror [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► and and have some semblance of human [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► connection and so when something of [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► course happens to her you know he i have [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► to go rescue her and then all of a [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► sudden everyone else like and we will [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► help you and it's such a it's a foreign [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► experience but it's one he's really open [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► to and that's what I love about fit as a [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► character is he is radically open like [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► in a way that you don't see a lot of [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► characters in these kind of saugus [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► typically because most the time like the [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► typical exchanges personne [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► cultural convention cultural convention [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► skill skill quest person B react react [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► tourism and Salter or quip gradually [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► coming around to your way of thinking [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► but you rarely see it were the first [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► person you know conveys information the [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► second person like abhorrent or I can be [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► useful or something like that and I just [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► loved how sweetly open he was [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► loved how sweetly open he was [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► it was it was it was wonderful you know [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► if there's there's there wasn't a whole [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► lot of distancing cynicism or irony and [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► i was actually a little bit worried [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► about that since it's infested the star [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► trek ethos as it were and it's one of [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► the defining hallmarks of the Marvel [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► movies at this point so I liked that [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► this movie is it goes back to this this [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► people act on genuine motives and [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► emotions are things that you take [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► seriously and you know you honor the way [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► to have them to act on them and finn [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► just completely bodies that I loved it [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► and a beautiful thing with his character [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► all throughout everything he starts out [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► in in in a in just constant terror and [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► fear and all he wants to do is run and [TS]