208: The Good People Are Dead Already
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the incomparable number 208 artists 2014
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welcome back everybody to the
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uncomfortable podcast I'm your host
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Jason L our topic in this episode is
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going to be a video game we're back on
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video games with a I think critically a
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loved video game called the last of us
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from from Naughty Dog on playstation and
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i'm going to introduce a fine panel of
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game players who have played this game
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and now are going to talk about it
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they may also use clicks as echo
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location in order to find you and kill
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you but we'll get to that Brianna Wu is
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back and hey Brianna what's up what's
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crack-a-lacking not much or not i don't
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know i don't even up Steve let's also
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hey Steve hey Jason how you doing what's
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crackalackin with you I'm just over here
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surviving and enduring my friend that's
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good that's all we can do we can hope to
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survive indoor live John Syracuse is
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also here
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hello John I'm just so proud of us all
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that we all played a game even if it's a
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game yeah well 13 and networking a
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podcast about it i'm very excited I i
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know i know you like these episodes and
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and its listeners who also listen to the
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accidental text podcast will will know
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that there is a a continuing subplot on
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on that podcast which jon is one of the
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three stars of which is that John and
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his co-host marcos wife Tiffany talk
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about games and Marco I guess goes into
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another room and submitting or something
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while they talk about games and i'm
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happy to report Tiffany Armand is here
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on the uncomfortable
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hello hi hi is such as strange title
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that John's co-host wife Tiffany so the
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last of us this is I'm gonna I'm gonna
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lay my story out front which is we as
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anybody who's listen to this podcast
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before will know I am i am not much of a
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gamer only I is shocker
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although you have every game console
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under the Sun strangely enough the last
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generation of any next-gen consoles you
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know I don't know who does
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well unless you consider wii u and
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next-gen console and we don't take a
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merboy yeah
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yep that's pretty much me i really like
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those short games like journey and
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and brothers and gone home and let me
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tell you the last of us have a short
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game actually quite long and so I'm just
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going to give you my my this is my
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disclaimer up front i'm here to be the
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I played about the first i'm going to
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say twenty percent of this game
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oh and then I boiling over yet and then
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I watched the the mega video version of
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it a little rest of the stories
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themselves and I everyone's uh everyone
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is disappointed in you days haha there
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was I ran out of time there's literally
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no way I was gonna play it I i would
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have to like quit my job and play a
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video game for a weekend and I have
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other thoughts about it that I don't
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think are relevant right
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oh but yes so I'm happy to host I know
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what happens in the game and I played
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some of it but I didn't play all of it i
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just didn't know there was a moment
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where I was being killed by zombies
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repeatedly and I I thought but how far
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am i from the end and I looked up and I
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discovered I was so far from the end
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that I was like not out of the sort of
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second set of like whatever it is eight
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segments in this game and I thought oh
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forget it it's never gonna happen so I
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guess you're never going to play zelda
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game for the podcast because this game
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is what 20 hours or something in Zelda
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you can easily go hundred if you try to
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clear it all out probably not although
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my my wife was playing wind waker in the
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next Real while I was playing this today
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so out of curiosity were you playing on
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easy normal presumably using hard LOL
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okies ok and i was getting creamed
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I gotta say it easy auto targeting on
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yeah this is not an easy game for people
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who do not regularly play a first-person
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shooters will protect ours
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no I console i found it i found it
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extremely difficult and I really have to
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say I was stunned by how much combat
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there was in this game because everyone
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was was praising the story over and over
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again and what it ends up being is a
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very resident evil 4 / 5 like survival
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game with with really excellent story
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parts but it's primarily a like go
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through levels and clear out and
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materials i was holding shoot right
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about that
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yeah full of shoot until you get the bow
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and arrow and then it becomes a stealth
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game that's when it gets awesome but you
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probably never got the bow and arrow
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icon well I saw the video of the person
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with the bow and arrow and I thought
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that looks
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cool now you can appreciate it properly
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unless you actually taken somebody out
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from across a crowded quad yeah I get it
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you know four feet from and another guy
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who's walking totally oblivious
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yeah it doesn't really notice when his
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friends got yes because its whole amount
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by I falls to the floor without gigantic
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splash blood stealth self splash so
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before we get any further along I i
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thought i would i would take a chance
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and see if John syracuse might have an
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opening scene
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no not today as a matter of fact I do
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oh I'm shocked a short one alright so
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broadly speaking of these days I don't
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really like two kinds of video games if
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you listen to this podcast you've
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probably heard me mention these kinds
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one kind of video game is nintendo
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franchise games get your Mario's elders
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your metroid prime that type of thing
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and the second kind of game is your
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artsy-fartsy and/or talkie game like
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journey ego shadow of the colossus gone
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home walking dead and I guess something
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like brothers KRT fartsy yeah and fallen
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short and I i tend not to like any of
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the popular games especially on consoles
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like I don't like first-person shooters
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I call duty battlefield or halo we have
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not played some of those games
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I don't like non-married car racing
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games and I don't like third-person
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action games with waist high walls and
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cover mechanic and so the last house the
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last of us contains pretty much all the
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things that hate about modern
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third-person console games things which
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i will gladly list later if given the
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chance but not in this opening statement
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and yet I was a great note right there
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you know Thanksgiving is because i do
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have a big list of things that I hate
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and yet i'm going to say that the things
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that are good about the last of us are
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so good that they handle the overcome my
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hatred of the entire genre and pull this
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game up from the swamps of popular
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mass-market gaming that I hate into my
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own personal best of lists that's why I
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think this is an exciting game for me
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it's a game that's popular that looks
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like all the other games that I hate but
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i really liked it
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that's cool John you're one of the
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non-horror guys that aren't you
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well I'd have the original resident I
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like resident evil 4 I like I mean you
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can see how I might be inclined to like
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this game as well this so we should say
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for those who have
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gotten this far that this is a this is a
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zombie apocalypse game I the you begin
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its not zombies Jason a fungus
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well they're totally different the
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fungus zombies zombies just that's the
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fungus makes them zombies
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anyway your Joel who is a who in the
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opening scene is a single father and the
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the his daughter is watching TV and
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there's an outbreak of of the zombie
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stuff and I i thought this was actually
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good as somebody who had heard about
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this game vaguely I thought this was a
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great fake out which is I knew that this
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was a game where a man and young girl
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have to go like through a zombie
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apocalypse and so when we meet his
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daughter I think oh ok this is going to
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be the story which tells me that you
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never looked at the front of the box
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yeah i like to say that I didn't know
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it's good he was spoiler-free you didn't
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even know what I look like
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hey John so I fire out the spoiler now
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yes you should we do not want to spoil
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people you haven't played this game
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don't listen to this podcast and we
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should probably tell people what we
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think of it we think it's good go play
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it unless unless you hate combat games
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in which case don't you'll still hate it
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if it's not about what you can add a
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bell I mean for extra measure all right
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we're also gonna bring the spoiler belt
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alright I wasn't really paying attention
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I got to say and it's like I don't know
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whatever and it's a video game think of
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daylight on the cover anyway could be
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totally different but I its I thought it
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was a nice break out in that this is
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what this is not with the story really
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is because his daughter dies and is
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killed not by a zombie but is freaked
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out soldier and uh and then we cut two
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years later and then we follow Joel as
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he's given a mission to escort yong le
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across the u.s. to these uh these
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fireflies people who are who think that
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she's a key to a cure to the zombie
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infection and that's your premise and
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then and then the story continues with
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their relationship growing as well as
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the fact that they have to i was
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thinking of you John actually doing this
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because my mic is capsule the last of us
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would be if you've ever wanted to live
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through a zombie apocalypse and shoot
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zombies and other people and have that
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that full on i'ma I'm just killing
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people and the apocalypse feeling this
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is the game for you because this feels
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exactly like a zombie apocalypse would
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feel to me which is horrible and dark
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and you
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everybody's trying to kill you so but
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that's not what i like about the
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apocalypse I don't like killing the
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other people i like the fact that
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everyone else is dead already so like
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the cities or so and like your shot
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apocalypse you got all this space and
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all this and this one they you know like
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if I was actually in this game I would
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go far away from people instead of going
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to ya is the game has a story that
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involves we're just finishing the job
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started by the time
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that's right there there was so much
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detail and so much work clearly put into
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every second of this that I got to
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boston and i thought i must be
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two-thirds of the way through the game
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yeah you're right how many settings are
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in the sky couldn't spoil myself like
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boy I guess this game mostly takes place
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in boston we're just cool with me even
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though they took like geographic
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liberties
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oh my god that hard drive me crazy
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I thought he did I thought the t station
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Boston yeah everything is where it's
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be here museum and then you're downtown
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like nothing it's like they want Islam
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mandate yes they moved the museum had
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see what else it will the lengthening
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realized that this is how these major
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game titles are done but I what what
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what I started to think was as an
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aficionado of those those artsy fartsy
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was it something that actually it's a
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little bit like the walking dead game is
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show like it this is literally like a an
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eight-episode story that happens and you
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could you could literally dole these out
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one a month with cliff hangers and I
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think actually for a player like me it
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would probably work better like that
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like look you just are going to do this
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opening set segment and then you know
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then Pittsburgh is going to come and
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then you're going to be in Wyoming right
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episode and and but that's that's when I
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was I would almost you sad Hulk music
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playing and happy as that as the playing
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is playing and then when later watching
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it when i gave up I mean I definitely
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felt like like oh I get it this is this
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is much more episodic because it's so it
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is huge it does you know it felt to me
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as somebody who's played the shorter
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games like I was playing through what i
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felt was like I gotta be getting closer
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to the end now and i was so far from the
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end that I was very sad but there's a
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lot in here and a lot of different
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settings and when you get to the when
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you get to the snow later you get to you
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get to ride some horses you get to shoot
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ya shoot it
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I love more general there's a horse
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level there isn't one
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no mine cart but course so on it you're
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writing that is episodic and it like
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this you know this they do episode by
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city by city which is convenient but
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also you know it within each city it is
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that there's a story visit
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does it smell like chapters in a book
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there's a series of events taking place
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whatever you were trying to do in that
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little section comes to a head and it
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resolves itself in some way and then you
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move on to the next thing the story is
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progressing the entire time and I think
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that that part of the game where you
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feel like you're reading different
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chapters in different settings really
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works well and it builds to something
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exciting which I think TIFF and I have
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talked about this in the past like my
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favorite part of the game was after
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you--after bill to the point where you
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know no matter what you do
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Joel ends up getting grievously injured
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in combat in a half cutscene type thing
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and you don't know and things are
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looking down and like this game is not a
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happy game so things kind of going
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downhill and not working out the way you
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want eventually just like you think like
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alright so first first of all you don't
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know how I just seen a bad ending like
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this happening because I did something
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bad and if i had played better
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this would not have happened to me and
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then I think in that same cutscene is
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like Elias threatened as well it looks
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like both of them are gonna die I'm like
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well I guess this is just a bad ending
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an immuno bad ending cutscene because i
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don't have to go back and replay this
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because obviously I've done something
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I and then it sort of fades to black
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instead of giving you another chance to
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play the very next scene is winter in
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the snow and has you creeping up with
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over and look it looks amazing
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maybe a job with the snow as you
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creeping up with the bow as le who you
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have not played as for the the other
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portion the game I realize now it's on
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her to take care of Joel that that
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progression of like one chapter after
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another
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if they had been doled out like like The
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Walking Dead I don't think that those
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story beats would have worked as well
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because i think you really need to
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transition right from that big downer
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right 20 it's on me and I'm a little
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girl and have a bow
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I don't know I thought that was worked
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as a cliffhanger the great thing about
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that too is it's like it's like
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numbering your basic programs 10 20 30
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because now you've left open these
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little segments where you can slot in
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dlc which they did well yeah I'd love
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for them to do that every single
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cutscene just fill it in with more stuff
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i would like haha all the time and
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they're going to direct action makes
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everything
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yeah I I mean I guess I felt like the
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the way that they told the story it is
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literally exactly the same way that they
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did uncharted one or two uncharted two
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and uncharted 3 and often like the story
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beats at the end are there to like hide
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a level load because they do level
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streaming in it and I don't know I
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thought it was i I almost I can't
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disagree with You Tiffany because I
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wanted this game to be shorter and I
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thought they could have they could have
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tightened it up like i played through
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this game wanting to enjoy the story i'm
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motivated by narrative and I felt like
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there was like twice as much combat and
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say there needs to be so I I think I
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want to move on and talk about the
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characters in the story a little bit but
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I I you know I obviously somebody who
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who crashed and burned at this and
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doesn't love you know I don't love
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combat stuff i'm also not very good at
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it and that's one of the reasons why
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don't love it but I definitely felt like
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there was a lot of that and and maybe as
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we're talking about the tone of it too i
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mean it is it is I relentlessly bleak
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game in that way to and and I found like
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after a while of just kind of running
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around and being afraid of being killed
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by zombies or shot by other humans that
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I was like really you know I really
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loved the dialogue and acting actual
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acting of the characters in the
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cutscenes and then during the combat I
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was like oh yeah more combat ok it was
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not i mean the parts of the game that
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got me excited or not the combat parts
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problems without the combat parts
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there's literally nothing no doing it's
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a movie then we exactly right i mean
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it's this is this is effectively it's
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it's cut scene cut scene you're one
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contribution to their trek across the
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United States is you decide whether they
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survived the next cut scene or die
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horribly
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that's really it that's one choice of it
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with all the combat the cut scenes were
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like a nice relief like we just like
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uh-huh okay I got through that now we
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can like enjoy their little banter and
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you know you're going through and you
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know you can trigger different dialogue
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that the two character has between Joel
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and Ellie and I really like that part
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that you kind of had control over that
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even during a cutscene or
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you know they have the the movie type
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cutscenes and then they had the cut
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scenes where there was no health bar so
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you can still manipulate the the
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characters but you would have no health
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repercussions for it you know like so
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you can just kind of play as them and
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teach her how to whistle and those type
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of things that you could either choose
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to do or not do and I really like that I
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thought that really added to a lot of
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characters there's a lot of ambient
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audio as well like even if you weren't
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in a cutscene if you if you played this
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here's the thing like if you play it
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like like just you know a short
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attention span teenager just go like
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kill kill kill cutscene kill cutscene
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just trying to restore the game you're
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gonna miss out on if you if you play it
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i mean his different listen like
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uncharted two much like I said I played
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some of is that I never really related
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to was a nathan drake or whatever his
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name isn't it an uncharted I never
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really cared about the character so that
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felt like okay I'm just going to sort of
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go I felt like I was going through the
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motions whereas in this game I would
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roll play like playing with little dolls
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right i would role play the characters
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like they were real people so I would
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walk next alley and they would have
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conversations ambient Lee in audio
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whereas if I just run off to search for
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ammo she'd be over there talking and I
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get out of the range of her little sound
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cone right and I wouldn't hear anymore
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and I'd be like blah blah talky-talk let
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me let me search for like little pieces
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of tape and paper and and sugar and
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Explosives because you know but instead
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I role played it like I was really there
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and like these were people who needed to
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be you know like they were together and
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that that made me so I'm sort of like
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puppet acting out the movie not during
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the cutscenes you don't have the same as
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John exactly like that and it was great
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you couldn't hear i loved it they had
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that you could not hear the person if
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you're actually out of range of them but
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they're still talking and you could
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totally miss all of that great detail
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and character development of it as a
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complete us that drove me crazy when you
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have to run elsewhere
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I don't want to sneak closer to those
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guys that are having the conversation
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about all the tourists they killed I
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don't want to get closer but i have to i
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don't want to miss this cutscene well
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see if I was when I was role playing in
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that I'm like what I was here I wouldn't
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need to hear their dialogue sequences
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because i'm not i'm not playing a game
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like my like I need to hear all the
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assets that were put in this game I need
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to hear all the audio it was more like
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if I was in the game and the combat was
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over and I immediately ran away in
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mid-sentence when Ellie was trying to
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ask me a question I would be a jerk and
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so I'm going to sit there and
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talk with her right whether this
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interactive button presses for me to ask
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for something or not even even bill or
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any other people like that was ambient
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conversations happening if you suddenly
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turn your characters back and go off
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into the corner and do something like I
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wish the cat I kind of wish characters
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in video games would be like sometimes
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they do this they have like hey where
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you goin animation or something but I i
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you're in if you never slowed down
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Josh Brolin don't say all night and ends
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well josh brolin should get in on that
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troy baker but anyway north is a lot of
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a lot like you know he's sort of your
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proxy and yet good voice acting in games
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who would have thought that happens
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through the you know the motion capture
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all that stuff and and Ellie was good to
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she could have been grading and annoying
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but she wasn't Jen and I do admit there
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games where they do play the game watch
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a movie play the game and watch a movie
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when the cutscenes are in engine and and
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this point the engine is so good that
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even when they're not in the engine Mads
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close right like I think they use the
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the cutscene models in the playstation 4
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remaster of this so that's almost an
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engine but it's not interactive i like
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it much better when there's not there's
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no gaps between it and this was sort of
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charred to creep up on that a little bit
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with were just talking about what these
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sort of story sequence is happening in
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Game one during round time I wish there
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was more of that but that really that
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really sold it
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yeah I was actually surprised when i
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watch that I didn't get a chance to
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finish on easy when i was playing that
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this week and so I watch the rest of the
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cutscenes and I was surprised by how
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much of the story wasn't in the
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cutscenes I remembered a lot of story
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going on that that I remember toward
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being and cutscenes and they weren't it
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turns out those were in game moments
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yeah so there's just there's a youtube
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video that's called the marathon edition
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that which is the one that I watched
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after I gave up and I i did the
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calculations the marathon edition is six
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hours long and the cutscenes in the game
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are about 90 minutes long but the
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marathon edition is a guy who actually
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did the whole walkthrough and then cut
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out everything that wasn't like
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important combat or the conversations
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that happen
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and there's a lot that happens it's not
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in the cutscene it's alright and he was
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performing that for you essentially
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because during parts that aren't cutting
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he's doing what I was like a little doll
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planning he's he's giving a performance
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himself and that's that's why i like you
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know my favorite type of games like the
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Zelda type games where ya there are
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cutscenes but like for the most part
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everything that I remember about a zelda
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game is something that I did you know in
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service of a linear story is gonna have
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to wait but i feel like i did this thing
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and i thought this thing and i
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discovered this and i found this secret
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room or whatever you feel like that you
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did this not that you were watching a
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movie directed by someone else
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I really like the i really like the
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moment which we alluded to earlier when
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it flips around and joel has been so
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horribly wounded that Ellie needs to
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take care of him which is also actually
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where the left behind dlc level is set
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along with a flashback and I that's a
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great moment you sort of expect that
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it's going to come and I really gonna
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play Joel the whole time and she gets
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the gun and you're thinking about it and
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then there's that moment where he is he
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is impaled on a metal thing and you know
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falls off the horse and and she has to
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take care of him and I i love that I
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love that switch in perspective I I
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thought that was a thought that was
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really great
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I thought y'all might have died to like
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me at that point in the game I was ready
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for him to be dead and the rest of the
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game to just be LA because I would've
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been fine with me
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it could happen and they wanted you to
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at least wonder about that right because
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when they want to cut the winter and
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she's in the snow and she's hunting the
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deer and then she meets a guy until she
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says I need medicine
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yeah you don't know actually I was named
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David super-creepy super creepy
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oh yeah they did a good job on him you
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know he's played by nolan north maybe
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that's why you don't like in time haha
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bad guy about all the women he was he
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was just super creepy and like and
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that's the great thing about that point
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in the game Jason had you played up to
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that point you know pretty much all
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these humans that you meet are like out
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for themselves and the people who do
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well are pretty darn evil and you just
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feel like you're just you're just
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protecting this tiny little light of
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like goodness that you might have in you
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in between strangling people to try to
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protect like your friends and this girl
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in to try to cure everybody or whatever
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and she meets this guy and every
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instinct in your body is saying this guy
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get away like
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you this is not a guide to be near he's
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terrible it's so clear but then the
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other side of you is like have you lost
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all faith in humanity maybe you know
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like everyone is wary of each other they
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do that little dance about like you know
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who's got a gun on who and who wants to
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help who and let me tell me where you
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turns out he is evil your instincts were
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right but like I felt that tension
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during that scene of like should I be
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more trusting maybe and it's so stupid
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because it's like it's not it's not like
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a game like revolution 60 where you
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actually have choices that have the
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consequences to the story like this is
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dragging you through a pretty set story
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but they do it so well that i was
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actually like contemplating maybe I
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should you know how should I react never
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mind that how you react to that person
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really doesn't affect what's going to
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happen you're gonna kidnap one way or
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the other but but I was it was faking me
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yeah I thought that lack of player
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agency really really bothered me through
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the whole game and I I I understand
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where they're going with it because they
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do have very specific story that they're
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trying to tell but like this is what
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game designers call you caught player
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agency like the ability to affect your
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world and you have a decision and how
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you approach combat but you don't really
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have any agency and how the story turns
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out and you know I realize I'm talking
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about this i sound super negative about
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i like this game i would give this game
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a 9.5 like it's just being over at all
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about something I ya know she was a sub
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the graphics were nine
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the graphics are you around the gameplay
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can we talk about you don't like John
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you're talking like do you have any
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faith in humanity at all at this like
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can we talk about Joel's character
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because like Chris plant / polygon wrote
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a fantastic up bad that I really agreed
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with about Joel's a character and he
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believes Joel to be associate path and I
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kind of have to agree with that i mean
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the way I interpret Joel having played
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the game is he so traumatized by his
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daughter staff that he doesn't feel
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anything towards anyone and he kinda
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wants to protect he wants to protect
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this girl it's not so much about her
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it's about him because he just brutally
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murders everyone in his path
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up in the ending let you know that she
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would have wanted that you know that she
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would have wanted can we talk about the
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ending like again we go sometimes i'm on
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the ending
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yeah I mean she would have wanted to
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give up her life to find a cure and he
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makes that decision for her and lies
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about it and I see joel is a
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tremendously evil character I don't I I
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I don't know do you guys agree with that
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team and I don't I in seattle in here's
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here's the thing with that they I think
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up until the ending and and i should say
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I i really loved almost every aspect of
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this game up into the ending which I i
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basically hated up until the ending I
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think they did a pretty solid job of
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allowing you to approach combat in a
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sort of role-playing way so you could
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determine if you wanted to you could
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take away take off take out people from
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a mile away without knowing what their
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intentions were and just shoot everybody
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kill everybody that you run across
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without finding out whether they were
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good or bad
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naturally if you did approach them kind
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of slowly as though you you're going to
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put out your hands and say friends
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they're gonna shoot you anyway but the
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fact that you had the ability and I
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think they did a really masterful job of
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continuing to give you that that sort of
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ability to rationalize Joel's intentions
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you know your your kind of able to play
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it whichever way you want intel the very
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ending and the end is so problematic for
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me because that's that's the place where
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you completely lose any possibility of
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having any sort of agencies and CS and I
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mean even even as I'm running through
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the hospital i'm thinking okay they're
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gonna give me something at some point
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where it turns out that you know
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removing the fungus from le is only ten
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percent likely to work or you know I
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know that there's there's going to be
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some evil or something that's going to
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justify what I'm doing here and then I
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got into the operating room itself and
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the doctor who is clearly no threat to
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joel is standing there with a scalpel
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and you have no you have no recourse but
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to kill him
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yes and and that was the point at which
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they're there is absolutely no way to to
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not be a cold-blooded murder
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yes kill the doctor that's it well
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something happened to all the games you
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pretend that you weren't you get scalpel
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you can watch out
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that's right him or me you could totally
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disarmed my I don't know I i think there
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are two what Brianna said I think the
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game makes a choice of not making Joel
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seem justified i mean there there's a
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choice in a lot of the brutality that he
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dishes out that i think is them them
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making a point of showing him behave
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like that it's not
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I you know it feels like a very much a
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creative decision and not sort of no no
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that's not what we meant
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I mean you're meant to see the brutality
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right Joel in acts on other people in
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this world he has no there's an early
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conversation between testing him where
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she says face it were shitty people Joel
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and Joel says no we're survivors so that
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dichotomy is better the whole way along
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well yes she's no longer survivor at
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that point
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look at the way he kills Marlene at the
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very end like that is a cold infrared
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and murder yeah right in the flashback
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I mean there's no way to justify that
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like he's acting on his own needs his
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own actions to like keep his own need to
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like protect his daughter and he just
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murdered this woman and I don't see how
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you can interpret eyes something other
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than kind of him being the sociopaths I
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thought the character was consistent
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throughout the story because like the
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whole story in the opening is you know
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you have this character you soon before
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the game began was just a regular good
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person and he's and he's a broken man by
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the time they do the flash forward to
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emotional well-being and it's not like
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that he doesn't want to be I can't be
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really screwed up and she's trying to
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bring him back to the world and he
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doesn't want to come back to the world
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he's like all right here at some point
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again again and this time I'm not going
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to lose it and i'm going to use all the
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brokenness in me to make sure I don't
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lose it again and so when I got up to
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that doctor seen in the end like again
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this whole game like this what's gonna
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happen is gonna happen no matter what so
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all the the player agency is an illusion
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decision we make any difference in this
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the game that I thought I now have to
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make a decision because of em is it made
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sense to maybe you know from our
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the game that could be two endings like
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sixties it's really expensive to do
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multitasking the think so but in the end
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at the end of the game
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maybe you can have the good ending of
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the bed anywhere so I felt like I had to
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make a decision and the decision I made
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hands up and I want to get out and I say
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you know what like they never did tell
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like if I was really here i would say
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you don't know whether you're going to
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cure this thing by cutting open this
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person's brain if it was so easy maybe
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you would've done before i have no faith
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that these dislike ragtag group of
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people in this little dingy hospital or
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go ahead they're gonna kill her
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no one's gonna get cured from it and
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nothing's gonna get better and the only
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good thing I have in this world that can
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possibly bring it back to be a function
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person is the girl that table so you
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know what no you're not going to kill
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this girl for what i think is a very
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slim chance of carrying anything and I
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shot him
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I shot him because I thought he deserved
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to die for being willing to kill this
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car so against her well role-playing she
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didn't she didn't sign a consent form
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says yes please take my brain they
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kidnapped her forced only active clearly
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she never woke up between the time that
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she was out I know it's not happening
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under consent and I said this is you
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know I don't know every what's going on
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in this world i don't know if i'm going
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to save the world or anything but I do
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know this person does not deserve to be
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killed without her consent for for some
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slim chance of curing disease so i
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decided to kill him at
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kill her as Joel I didn't like the fact
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that I didn't get a choice in the file
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dialog seen that how I was gonna tell me
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about it but I don't like with the
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choice that Joel made maybe not the
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choice I would have made but it was
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consistent with the character that I had
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inner city it's not a sociopath is just
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broke it's just a broken person trying
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to trying to become whole again in the
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only way that he can like what certain
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in this world are we gonna save
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everybody is everything gonna be all
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what's certain is that he cares for her
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and she cares for him and together we've
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seen that they can survive and make a
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life for themselves it's not impossible
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people like they are like everyone else
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trying to survive by any means necessary
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they think they have high-minded ideals
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wonder if they got out her
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that's what you're living for and
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everything else is like like I don't
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think he should you know i'll go back to
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the damn i love my brother sure they'll
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be fine there
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mm that's everything else in the game
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has led me to believe they won't be fine
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there something like yeah the first 10
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minutes he was there he was attacked by
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bandits
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so I'm right and I think that speaks to
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the power of this writing that we can
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have this kind of conversation about it
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and that kind of interpretation with the
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end you know I missed the point
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stiffening is you're going through it up
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like him showing empathy for people so
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maybe that layer to him is there maybe
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I'm wrong that was like that was you
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because you were playing as him it was
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it was really subtle I mean you could
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have totally not seen that and yeah yeah
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like it was it was all very very subtle
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and a lot of times it was only if you
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like satin like zoomed in on the piece
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that you picked up and quote unquote
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read it and then like put it away that's
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when it would trigger but his reaction
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to say something about what he just read
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actually the one there's the one in the
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house i think it was right after Ellie
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rescues him and and you see like the
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diary pieces in the house or like the
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little boy that needed to leave and him
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writing about his family you know having
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to evacuate and get lost in and Joel
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expresses you know some concern about
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this little kid that he's reading about
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when he picks up those pieces of paper
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and I I felt I thought that added some
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really nice layers to his character but
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you know doesn't totally justifies it
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for me to immerse myself properly in
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this game i really need to be able to
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find ways that I could relate to joel it
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was it was kind of the only way I was
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gonna care about this place seeming
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sociopath and i found a lot of those
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places where he does show a touch of
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empathy and in not too you know drag the
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ending out too much but it the immersion
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was gone at the point where you know
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he's it there's there's no way that you
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can find a way to rationalize what he
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does in the hospital I would have liked
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the option to stand down and maybe have
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the bad ending or I need some sort of
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justification for my actions you know if
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they if they want to make if they're if
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they're making a movie and they want to
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make Joel take the make the choices he
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does that's fine as you walk out of the
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movie going well it turns out he was
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kind of a huge selfish bastard all along
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but you but you seem pet the horse I
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mean how could you hate God had a horse
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and a piano so keep it for sharing the
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doctor you don't think the doctors were
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evil for wanting in the gloom I'm the
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bastard that's the problem at least in
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part because I've stuck myself into this
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character and and I just was suddenly
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just snapped out of it completely and
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and I felt I felt ripped off a little
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bit for having I sort of stuck up for
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the game for people who are saying i
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will you got no control over what you
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know that anything that happens in this
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game and at that point I realized you're
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right I don't
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I am i am basically just going through
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this story that somebody else is written
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no no agency let's say well the fact
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that you didn't make the choice at the
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end i can understand saying that the
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character and I were out of sync at that
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point but saying there's no
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justification for like I said they're
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they're murdering write a girl against
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her will
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for what what is far as we know is and
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slim chance of maybe a cure of something
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like it's not justified like you know
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that note nor nor do they wake her up
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and get her to say you're right
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hey here's what we're going to sign this
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advanced regular please rise John would
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not only that if she was okay with the
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joelyn and Joey I mean he would not have
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argued with her but she said this is
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what you want to do I feel like their
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relationship at that point I dont 16 10
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because that's what happens at the end
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of the game yeah in that area and she
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basically saying look is that true and
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if he says no it's not true maybe she
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says I'm gonna go back there something
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that way i read that line though is that
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is that she's she's a high-class wing
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Joel to tell her the lineout she 10
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Jones wants to be told the child has
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really agree with that she is she's
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she's a bright inquisitive girl
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throughout this whole game her defining
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characteristic is she grew up in this
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terrible world she has been having
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scientist or right she's adjusted
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psychologically to like the horror of
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this and she's not broken in the way
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people are around her and she has this
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this beauty inside her and she is so
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inquisitive like that is what drives
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their very nature so to think that she
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would just want to close down and not
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here this like I totally believe she's
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gonna find out the truth and turn on
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Joel yeah like I i could not
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yeah it seems like he felt like
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something was off he needed to know why
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it was all that's the thing i think she
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knows the truth yeah she knows
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something's off it wasn't at the story
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didn't sound right so he needs he wanted
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to know the truth I think she knows the
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truth if she is smart she knows that
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should I mean the story tells us is
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dreadful it it's got miles of holes in
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it and she doesn't she doesn't try to
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poke holes in his story at all and I
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think she knows that he's full of it and
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and at that point I my opinion just
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based on the excellent no facial acting
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of the polygons
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it looked to me like she was pleading
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with him to continue to lie to her
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because she knows she knows that if he
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tells her the truth she knows that she's
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gonna have to go and submit to the
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surgery and be killed basically listen
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is known to submit too busy killer
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killed the document yeah i mean that she
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doesn't know the reason the reason that
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she wanted to be lied to is not because
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she's like I'll protect me from the
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world she doesn't want to believe the
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Joel did this bad thing actually that
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she did what she doesn't want to believe
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the joel is capable of doing the things
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that he actually did so hurt her asking
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her why is that because please Joe don't
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be the kind of person I think you're not
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joel is that kind of person she also
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doesn't want her to believe that he's
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that kind of person so he lies to her so
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it's kind of a and you can imagine why
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not lasting very long as the game
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continues or if there's a sequel or ever
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things would break down because they
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both know it's not true but that's why
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she doesn't want to know not because she
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wants to be protected from the truth and
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not have to go back because she's not
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brave but because she doesn't want to
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believe that Joel just did the things he
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did and Joel's crappy version of a lie
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is like you can see how that's it's
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going to fall apart you know and that's
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it and a in that way it's kind of it
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it's a tragic ending in the joel just
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wanted to hold onto this thing and by
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having to lie to her about it I this
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thing he was trying to hold onto is
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essentially broken anyway yeah their
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relationships already breaking down at
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that point it's pretty clear
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yeah well he's well and he's trying to
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hold on to her and that's the thing that
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is I don't know although i will say that
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i felt while I was while I was watching
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that part that I'm the the writers are
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putting you in that spot right the
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writers are not going to let you have
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the justification of what we have to do
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this or she said it was okay or you know
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anything of that it is this this is how
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it was written is we're going to leave
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her sedated because we're the fireflies
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and we're going to take our whole brain
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not like a little piece of it and you
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know we're going to kick you out thanks
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for bringing her here this guy this bug
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is going to lead you outside and see you
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later spelling smell you later Joel
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thanks for bringing her and so he has
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put in that position because the the
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writers want him to have to do that that
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that mean that is this is the story for
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that character it's a little problematic
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to me that you have the one live patient
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who's survived through an infection
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for you know several months let's kill
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her first thing you need to do is killer
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and lose anything they don't know what
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they're doing it just makes it
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reinforces the notion that like the
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chance of success is so low that is no
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way and like if she was alive I would
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argue to her exactly the same things i
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would say look these are not the world's
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best scientists here why don't know you
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look at this hospital everything is
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disgusting you think this is gonna work
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I think she could be convinced not to
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sacrifice her brain for how about some
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blood tests then write like this how
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about some little going to take the
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brain notice to jump to the brain
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removal this is not spot Spock's brain
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there are other steps along the way that
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we can do here before we take up a whole
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brand and what are the odds of the
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world's best neurosurgeon or you know it
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what do they call the people the CDC
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type people the not epidemiologist but
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anyway what are the odds of those people
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happen to survive it's probably pretty
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low it's just some like probably some
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like you know veterinarian horse doctor
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or something is gonna look at slides are
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brown under microscope and provide oh
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no- maybe something it's mutated I know
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yeah open the brain over the brain
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removed the brain immediately
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should we anymore about the ending or
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should we talk about the the dlc a
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little bit yeah hopefully be a let's
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talk about left behind
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which is a in a flashback from when joel
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is unconscious in the cold shack and and
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then we also get Ellie before before the
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whole story happened with a friend and
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abandoned mall I i think it's so amazing
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like I have to confess i've not played
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this DLC but I've read a lot about it a
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lot of friends were very moved by this
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DLC I think it's so notable for so many
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reasons i think you have two girls that
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are kind of having their own adventure
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together kind of in their own space and
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being able to interact which with each
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other like that which is just not
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something happens in games i also think
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there's a complete lack of you know
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african-american female characters and
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games and tomorrow you get out in the
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main camp right yeah except for the one
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who killed and the ones that you know i
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got get that shot himself in the main
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campaign right guy I thought that was i
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I know that this is a dlc I'm very much
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an important kind of story to have and I
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just can't wait to experience and I'll i
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really like the the like just the you
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felt juvenile again you're going through
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yeah world with them and playing in the
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mall and it really there was no inherent
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feeling of danger during those parts of
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the scenes in in that part of the game
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and you're just kind of exploring and
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especially when you're in the halloween
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store and trying on masks and doing
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silly things and breaking windows and
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the cars like it just it felt really
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kind of freeing and then comparing it to
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Ellie's struggle on her own trying to
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survive without Joel while he's all laid
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up and she's trying to do what she can
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do to survive and while she's being kind
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of chaste and hunted to like contrast
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the two of her being totally carefree
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with her friend in the mall and just
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playing around like like the world is
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completely normal when it's not outside
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and then you flash back to this hyper
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aware frightened stocked situation and
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and it was
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it made you feel a lot of emotions back
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and forth and it really deep in Delhi's
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character and Maria I'd like to add it
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was very good good addition get one of
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the problems I have with the bioshock
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dlc we played is elizabeth is they
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didn't really change the combat up
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enough for my taste and it was very
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obvious that they just changed the hand
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animations in front of it was mostly say
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today did i succeed at when you do find
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us her in the in the dlc did feel
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different or because I can do you have
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to fight differently because she has the
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bow you no more that he mentioned the
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night go all right
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yes he has the knife like permanently so
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you don't need to try to but you can
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take out a clicker with one with one
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shot with she doesn't differently and
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she controls differently and i think the
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the to Ellie's the sort of the the
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pregame le and we know what's gonna
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happen to the pregame LA because it's
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explained in the game that you actually
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played so that's kind of like a tragic
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on there but the pregame le I mean I
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guess it's the same model same textures
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but like pregame le and like the the the
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the the frozen mall le seem like two
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entirely different characters and jumps
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she seems younger
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yeah but it's about it so emotionally
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different like in the little sequence is
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not sure of herself you know she doesn't
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feel ya she doesn't she doesn't act the
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same way and like I don't want to ruin
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the the deals anti-labor for Briana but
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i mean i guess i will because like you
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should play on spoiling my god I had no
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just like the tag along in that
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situation but don't like a lot of a lot
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of the gameplay with with the pregame
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with the younger le is not just is not
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combat like it you quickly learned that
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this is not going to be combat into
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different environments it's got that you
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you spend a lot of first of all you do
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combat in a fighting game that doesn't
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work because there's no electricity or
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whatever and it's like I mentally
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narrated fighting game you there is a
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working picture photograph machine with
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facebook integration which is creepy and
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I didn't like that but you spend a lot
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of the gate of the the younger le doing
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things that are essentially play play
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and this is a relationship thing
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happening there that an undercurrent of
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tension with it it sort of it you know
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where we talked about for like the cut
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scenes where that ambient Lee unfold
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with you play acting as the people not
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cutting that this dlc is almost entirely
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and you can go through this whole big
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joke book on the carousel I I you know
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it telling all the different jokes to
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each other and chasing each other around
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with masks on and playing hide-and-seek
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and shooting with the water guns and it
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builds up to a you know set
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builds up to a you know set
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my conclusion you know what's gonna
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happen you're going to chase by zombies
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you're gonna get bit
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how many times did you do the magic
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8-ball yeah okay spending spending for
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the times
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yeah maybe even your and you are
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essentially you are playing it is it is
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just play in service of the story and
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being able to do that is essentially
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giving you giving you a little doll
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playset to roleplay through this story
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without having to worry about every
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three seconds having to take these
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people and that's contrasted with the
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mall the final mall battle scene the
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frozen ball bouncing it was really hard
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for me even on easy i found it difficult
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because the enemies were there are
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numerous they were they were clever i
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did have limited ammo at that was a
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tough combat and I i had had to
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formulate i went through that a couple
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times to formulate busy of a time limit
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is trying to break through the lock to
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get to the room where Joel was so even
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if i could take them all out sometimes
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the time expired and execution of my
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plan that was such a great contrast with
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the you know running around with super
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soakers in the desert on the desert mall
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was you know all the greats all the
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things i love about the apocalypse
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everything all still there at all empty
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and kind of creepy but kind of like you
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know we were all alone here that it's
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the best episodic content i've played
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excluding I guess the walking dead games
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which are very different things that
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love the degree of difficulty for you
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know realistically rendered environment
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compared to sort of the cartoonish
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walking dead thing with like dialogue
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trees and stuff like that it does the
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dlc alone is is I think i would put this
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game high up on my list of best games
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just because it was so it was so
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different than the the actual game just
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what it wasn't just more of the game
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that you like are you sold me $14 I
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thought it was interesting I really like
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that they did some different things with
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I i thought the video game sequence was
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fantastic how you have hired absolutely
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love that but ultimately I thought from
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a story perspective it was kind of an
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essential mean it didn't really add
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anything to the story we didn't already
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know I was it was background filler and
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the fact he had split timelines into
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different malls really didn't come too
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much that the really the only parallels
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between the more that they were both in
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malls it almost felt like they only did
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that so they have a reason to include
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some combat sequences alongside the
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other you know that the play stuff
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and then that the relationship with
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Ellie and Riley almost seemed like a
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retcon mainly because in the main game
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she doesn't seem all that bothered by
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the fact that a few weeks previously she
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lost her closest friend she didn't hear
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about it yet that sequence and the game
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he talks about the friend said she lost
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and is depressed about the whole like
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how she got bitten and she didn't die
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but her friend that's a very intently
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survivors remorse and it's it's the very
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end of the game and it's it's played
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incidentally I'm you never get the
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feeling that she's walking around
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lovelorn you know for instance it's not
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love Laura assistant like she is like
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like Rihanna said like she is a child of
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a world in which people die all the time
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and so it's she she is she's more
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emotionally fraught in the scenes where
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her friend is mad at her then later in
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the scenes better friend is dead as
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people die all the time but someone who
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you might have a relationship doesn't
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get mad at you all the time so to her
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that is more severe than the fact that
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she died she does have survivor's guilt
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and talks about the end but i think that
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that is consistent with their character
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that she's not just moping around all
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the time because she's a child in the
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world but like she's gotta scramble
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around the rocks to stay alive like you
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know survival instinct people dying all
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the time
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keep your head up do what it takes to
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stay alive baby you know it be be spunky
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and B have sort of a can-do attitude
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she's prepared for that she's not
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prepared for what happens that mall with
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her friend she's not prepared for her
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friend like her feelings and leave and
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not understand why not understand she's
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feeling that she's having everything so
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that I just feel like the importance of
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that relationship was just kind of added
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clearly after the fact that she I mean
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she pulls out no pun intended to in the
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main campaign to to you know regale Joel
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with those awful puns there's there's
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not even pause there that she's pulling
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out the book that our friend gave her on
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the day that she died but like isn't the
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whole fact that she's on this journey to
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like kind of go sacrifice herself a
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little bit saying that you know she is
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doing this in a way of like she's given
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up for because of what happened to her
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friend you know like you only kind of go
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on a quest like that we know
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everything's gone like yeah i guess i
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can say i can i can do this thing you
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know otherwise when would you be like oh
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we're going to deliver you to a hospital
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and so don't worry girl just come with
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us you'd be like hell no i'm at here and
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like just leave and hide but she goes
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along with it so it's almost like that's
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that's her form of giving up in the
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whole time you know that the whole
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entire campaign the hole in the main
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well that's how I see it yeah I could
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see that I just it just didn't seem like
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it was entirely necessary to the story
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which well it's not just finally feels
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like it sits beside story is the best
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kind of content where you wanted to fill
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in the things that you know happened but
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you don't know how they happened and
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that's why I'm glad it wasn't just a
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series of like the regular game okay
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because you'd be like one of my
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playthrough already know the beginning
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the story I don't know the end of the
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story you have to make the stuff in the
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middle different compelling and I
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thought the stuff with yong le was very
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different from the regular game and
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compelling i will say i really
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appreciated the fact that they managed
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to pack i think more comedy into the dlc
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than they did in to the entire main
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campaign there's there's something sadly
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hilarious about that that smiling doctor
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on the cardboard cutout side that says
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we have flu shots and pharmacy and then
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that the American princess dolls store
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there's unicorn riding lessons among the
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menu of services that you can get and
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then there's a there's a case of
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football lager beer on the amazing one
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of the houses which i think is my
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favorite fake brand-name item having i
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just looked at the video of the of the
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of color and like film grading and I
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really liked the fact that when were
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before the game starts in the flashback
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the colors are all warm and nice and and
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then they're not in the abandoned wintry
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moment is literally freezing cold and
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they had a side story in the mall even
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have like that the the whoever was the
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private or corporate or whatever hooray
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infected and his friends staying with
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them and how that plays out in your
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reading I mean I guess I was different
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dr. work and he's all up here reading
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all the different diary entries and
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hearing a little audio journals which is
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a little like oh you found an audio
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recorder and someone happened to but I
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know it's a little you know that game
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cliche but I i enjoyed that even even in
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the mall even as they still said there
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were other people here if you would like
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to know how things turned out for them
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other than the fact that they died you
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can find out that they were they were
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real people too and they tried to make
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choices and try to do things and here's
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exactly how it didn't work out for them
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I've always like that style of
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storytelling ever since I think System
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Shock pioneered it where you're you're
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you're witnessing something really awful
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has happened here and then you pick up
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scraps of it in the people in the voice
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of the people who actually lived through
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it along the way I think that's great
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it's really powerful stuff it's like a
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little miniature version of gone home
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inside this game essentially it's cheap
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to produce to so actually although yeah
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i mean it may not be may be cheap but
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getting someone who can write and people
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who can do the voice acting and not
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sound terrible like it witness of this
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wizard came from the moon like you know
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even you have a master of trouble with
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like it's I you know it's so we take it
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for granted especially if you don't play
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games love it if you play enough games
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like the fact that the the all of the
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voice acting was at the very least
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competent and you're like rejoice
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this is amazing I can't believe this
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happened some of it is really good and
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it you are the master of unlocking I I
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hear what you're saying it's you know
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like you're bringing a voice actor in
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your Studios and super expensive i mean
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that these are like real Screen Actors
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Guild people here but it's it's cheaper
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like write some things and have them
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read out to like create a scripted
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sequence through you're doing like let
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me set the perimeter here of the player
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crosses in or out of it then other
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variables are going to track like a tool
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hut it's much cheaper to do it feels
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more naturalistic to actually because
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you wouldn't yeah like I it there's not
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much if you it all happens in your head
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it's like reading a book if you did find
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and read it you can you can make it in
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your head how it would go rather than
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you know them trying to show you that
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happening in a flashback or having
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something happened mechanically like
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yeah like and it's I think it's
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effective that's not the main thing is
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going on and you don't have to read any
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of that stuff you can just continue
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playing through the game kill the people
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try to get roll out but if you're the
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type of person who likes to sort of like
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in-game archaeology to find out what
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happened and that that I think speaking
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of you know affecting how how you play
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joel is how you thank them
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well if you as Joel do not do those
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things it makes Joel not the kind of
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person who does those things you know
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meantime if you happen to continue as
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Joel seek out these things like tip was
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and I was doing I'm just like really
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like it changes how you think of Joel
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because you're like oh joel really cares
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about how these people live pigs
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commentary control every single draw in
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every bedroom look for little scraps of
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yeah absolute the anything else we
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should talk about that we haven't we
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haven't covered i have a whole pilot
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notes but I can't go through them all
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I didn't want to say the I just wanted
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to give some props to the menu screen
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alright i love it you're right i was
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that I had animals as well it's one of
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my only BB locative it's fantastic I
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mean it's just it's that shot of the
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window you've got the nice you know not
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overbearing music playing you're looking
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at paint flaking off the rotting walls
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you're looking at ivy growing through
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the shattered window pane there's flies
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and dust motes sort of drifting about
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curtains are watching gently in the
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breeze it
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it conveys everything that is wonderful
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and awful about the game's world in a
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single image
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yeah and it's not an image of like a guy
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with a gun standing in front of an
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exploding zombie like it just it is no
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people on the scene at all you know and
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that's that's the confidence to put that
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as their splash you not to have like
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rock-and-roll music and a picture of
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drills gruff face with Ellie off
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standing off to the side or something
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like that is not what this game is about
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no people at all and that you can tell
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that was once a happy home like with the
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white right fence and everything like
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that and it's still kind of happy home
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but not like its decaying and the wind
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is blowing but the Sun is out and like
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later when you get the dlc this little
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nice and in the thing you know what
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forget about the whole thing and put a
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knife that it changes after you after
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you get through the DLC or maybe when
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you finish the game to have something
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else there
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I didn't notice that it's plain that
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spare the spare music that also is the
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soundtrack which we should mention
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people generally love which is by a
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Academy award-winner gustavo Santa hola
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gustavo sure
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Mustafa your body like that establish so
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he was 12 best scores and he did that
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and i like i like how spare it is and
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when it comes in
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it just makes me feel sadder than I
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already feel about how it's the end of
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the world and everybody
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I'm going to kill me and even the combat
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musical have the Stinger that plays like
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it eventually you unconsciously come to
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recognize the audio cues the game gives
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you to indicate that enemies are our
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around like you don't have to use the
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listening thing or whatever and you hear
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the same things and it's repeated
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throughout the entire game it doesn't
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get old but you do not come to notice it
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but it is very effective musically and
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that is not like all of a sudden it's
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time for the drums to pick up on but
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it's not like that it's more like the 1i
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think i can do an impression of that
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stinger but like its it makes the hairs
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on the back of your neck stand up
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because you know
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Oh something's up here and I have to I
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have to go into a different mode if you
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had just been conversing or you know
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looking at the giraffes or whatever you
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were doing before like now now it's time
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its survival mode and I thought that was
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a good musical proxy for the way people
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who are alive before the apocalypse must
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feel and that like there's the old you
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who had the old you set of instincts and
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is the new you who has the new you set
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of I have to survive something might be
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killing me set of instincts and that
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music was the transition point at least
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in my fictionalized version of Joel of
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like if he was drifting back into like
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his own humanity or whatever when the
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music when he's like no actually you're
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you're caged animal trying to survive
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here and it's time for you to get back
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down to business
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there was a there was a quote that when
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trent reznor's doing the the soundtrack
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to the original quite so it wasn't
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really the soundtrack as much as it was
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the sound effects and treszura said
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there is there is we're not having music
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are levels trust me you're not gonna
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want music and I didn't understand that
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at the time and when i was playing this
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game i kept thinking about that quote
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because there's so much exploring but
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there isn't that musical bridge if like
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you know cool jazzy tunes they keep you
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it's just quiet as the ambient noise and
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I thought it really spoke to the the
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confidence that the that they had in the
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actors and in the ambient sounds around
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you that they didn't really need to give
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you a lot of music even in battles i
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even battles with bosses like i was i
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was amazed there wasn't that hard core
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you know tree attract coming in with a
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lot of minor
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words it was it was very minimal and I
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thought that really spoke to I thought
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was a good choice
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yeah environmental sounds of the
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soundtrack really i like the fact that
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the one load screen at the beginning
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which is just the cloud of infectious
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spores blowing through sort of felt like
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a parody of the standard ps3 theme seems
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to move in a similar way and I thought I
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wonder if they're taking a little you
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know the poke at the standard theme
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there i'm a long time watching as
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Article III like it's mesmerizing effect
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was yeah it is i mean you know it's a
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loading screen whatever right and
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sometimes they have you play a little
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ROK game but like I found myself
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sufficiently entertained
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I thought insurance I those little flex
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yeah i was then you're great too because
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that represents death that's blown by
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you there basically i just want to
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mention a few more things I appreciated
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the fact that the outdoor chef in the
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Boston quarantine zone was really doing
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some excellent spatula work on the rat
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is friday haha they didn't they didn't
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have to end animate the guy like
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flipping the rat over and like padding
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it down with a spatula but they didn't
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have impressed the rabbit makes all the
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juices go it's true that's the problem
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but you know these guys they're not
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sophisticated chefs they just they do
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what they have to like the fact that
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tucked away in one corner of the Boston
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qz there's a little girl playing with a
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stuffed giraffe which is nice for
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shadowing for the big brass yeah that's
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that and there's also in the toy store
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where they find a little transformer toy
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there's a there's a rack that's knocked
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over that has a giraffe painting on it
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is that there are several giraffe
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references throughout which is kind of
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I thought the whole sequence where
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you're hanging upside down from the
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chain and Lincoln is is really great and
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disorienting even though yes basically
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lifted whole cloth from dead alive but
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still so good that I didn't mind that
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it's fun to shoot upside down it is I've
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it really changes things a lot more than
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really interesting creative choice that
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they decided not to change pittsburgh at
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no no just like that wanted to give
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props to my favorite line of dialogue
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broke your finger
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no yeah that's great where she snaps
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David's finger off at the knuckle that's
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good stuff
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it strikes me that if you're trying to
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keep your secret guerrilla group a
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secret maybe the
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go dog tags and armbands are the best
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idea they can't help themselves i have
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the tag like a 3d artist might just be
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did you see the painting of the so they
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basically rendered the the snow scene
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with Ellie with the bow and the deer and
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then put a picture of that without Elly
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and it as a painting and one of the
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houses that you find I'm really yeah
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that's what i get from wandering the
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halls looking at every single they have
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so much stuff that like we have in our
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house like I saw things in the the
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houses that we have in our house like
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some of the kids toys on my commission
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clean their house that doesn't have one
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Jeffrey drafting now I know one of those
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I'm pushcarts like it's like a car that
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you can push them in they had like those
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in the they also have only one door that
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works and nobody ever close it
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it's weird doesn't know i was when i was
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playing on easy I was desperately
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looking for the window from the menu
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screen it's gotta be there somewhere
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ah I'm sure somebody is founded at this
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point on the internet but I was little
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all the windows are the menu from the
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menu screen yeah but there's they all
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have subtle differences i was really
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looking for it and I would have run
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across it yet but I feel like it's gotta
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be there somewhere it's not they missed
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I i think that is a custom rendered
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window for the the opening scene i'm not
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sure like i don't know if they if they
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have like a downsampled version of that
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I think oh yeah the details obviously
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has way too much to actually be in Game
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looking exactly like that but it's that
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the window itself you know the basics of
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it has to be somewhere if if they if
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they didn't do that they missed a huge
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opportunity
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well okay so we have covered a lot of
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ground here and I think it's been a
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great conversation and we're going to
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wrap it up so I'd like to thank my
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guests for this nice conversation about
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a really depressing i gotta say
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everything God back to the end of the
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world kind of a beautiful but depressing
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this that we talked about the apocalypse
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all the time this we have our apocalypse
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book club and here we gotta pockets game
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club but so thank you to my fellow
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survivors of the Apocalypse Steve let's
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thanks for being here
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glad to be here Jason for playing it
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thanks for playing the second time to
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remind yourself of planet it was I got
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to admit it's a little hard to get back
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to this game after playing at once it's
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a it's something where you really need
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to take a break from time to time and
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kind of go smell some flowers see some
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sunshine
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yeah you know hug your kids remind
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yourself that the zombie apocalypse has
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not yet happened trying to cram it all
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into the last few days has been a little
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rough but it's ok alright open hope
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you're better soon I'll be better soon
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yeah Brianna would thank you for being
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here thank you if you like me rambling
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on about technical stuff in video games
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i was showing 5 by 5 which is I think
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that metric so you might hear me do this
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every week every single that's a great
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I'm listening I'm a regular listener are
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you really am I think we have a lot of
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fun on that show it is shows that in
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panda references
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I you know I can't speak for what's up
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with Georgia with that stuff will just
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wishin that's fair enough
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tiffany our med thank you so much for
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coming on and talking about this game
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with us thank this is super is my new
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favorite hobby so all went next
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I'm ready I don't know we're going to
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we're recruiting more people who
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actually play games i need something to
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do during nap so nice not my nap my
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son's nap and John siracusa thank you
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very much as always I know you liked
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this video game episodes when we finally
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do them we did one book
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yeah the one thing I ever had to say
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about this game speaking of Steve having
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taking breaks is that the way I played
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this i'm all about the atmosphere
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i plated at night with all the lights
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off when my wife was out of town so now
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you get the sense of loss that my family
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was gonna sleep my wife is out of town
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she's been away for a week she's been
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traveling a lot recently
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that's how I played this entire game did
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you break out some windows and turn over
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the furniture and that's what i would
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recommend you play this game with the
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lights on
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you're doing it wrong and you can't have
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anybody in the room with you either that
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completely destroys it and it and if
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your spouse can be out of town at the
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same time and you could be sad because
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you missed them that also helps enhance
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the recommended alright and thanks
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everybody out there for listening to the
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uncomfortable talking about the last us
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for all this time we'll see you next
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time i'm your host Jason spell goodbye
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say yeah
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you know I try to not have episodes
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being comfortable last two hours but we
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went for about two-and-a-half hours with
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the last of us so you've reached the end
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of the real episode the official little
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more than an hour length but we have a
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whole lot more so I'm just attaching to
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the end of this episode
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this isn't even like a bonus track this
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is like a whole alternate episode where
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we talked a lot about gameplay and how
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the the game has put together a lot more
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technical stuff about gameplay on a lot
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less about storytelling so if you want
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more of the last of us just keep
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listening so can I ask
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has anyone else here played the
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uncharted games particularly uncharted 2
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and 3 i've played most of uncharted two
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and i don't like it
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so yeah what you know um you're like
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many of you guys I didn't play this was
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released last year was in the middle of
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ship it's been shrink wrap on my shelf
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for literally a whole year and you know
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I i heard that this was like a wonderful
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story game and I heard things like every
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single encounter is going to make you
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feel like really terrified and animals
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can be really really scarce and I heard
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that over and over again and as someone
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who makes video games for a living I was
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really surprised to put this game in and
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to see it having so much in common with
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uncharted I especially with the combat
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on it feels practically the same like
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youryour it's the same static mesh
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libraries like they've dirty them up is
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literally some of the same assets from
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the other game like as you're going
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through the Boston Museum it's the same
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thing and I was severely disappointed by
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how much combat was in this game
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I mean you're just murdering everything
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in sight and it's like I was really
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expecting something that would be a
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tense thriller where I would really try
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to avoid combat and it's just not that
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game at all it's just as action packed
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as a resident evil 5 yeah I found like
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even well even though when you're not
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like you know aggressively killing
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people you still
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have to like sneak around but you still
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end up killing people in the end after
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your sneaking like you can't just get by
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and let everyone alive although i didn't
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mind that but that's me but there's not
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that many people to kill like it's not
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like it's not like serious sam or
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something we have a million enemies
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flying at you like each encounter has it
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and they're not infinitely responding
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enemies either so each encounter has a
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set number of people that you have to
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deal with sometimes that number is very
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low and i found especially early on in
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the game I was also surprised by the the
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difficulty of the combat be especially
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in the early levels you figure all that
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ramp up slowly but in the beginning of
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the game i was I found like even even
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just feel like one like one or two of
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the one of the slow-moving that's one or
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two stalkers plus a clicker and I was
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actually like afraid of the clickers
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because they were much more threatening
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enemy and it was like three people on
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the whole map and so even though it
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seems like all this a lot of combat and
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it is difficult this gets back to the
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whole skill barrier to enjoyment that I
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totally understand a lot of people like
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Jason who would find the combat
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difficult enough even on the super easy
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settings that it just ruins the game for
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them because there is a lot of it and if
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you can't do it you're spending the
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whole game frustrated with the fact that
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you can move on to the next story beat
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but it was too and reasonably well for
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me and that I get a room with three
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enemies in it one of which was one of
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the tougher kind that was enough to make
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an enjoyable encounter for me and if I
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think about all the other games that I
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play where you really do like mow down
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you know dozens of people like it's
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nothing even again like half-life you're
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mowing our way more people than this
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I I thought it'd work now there's a
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little bit of sameness in that like okay
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there's only a couple of enemy types
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you're going to see them repeatedly and
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a certain point you're like alright i
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would really just like to get to the
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next story beat instead of having to go
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through these two people but you know
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like Steve said eventually you get
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interesting weapons and you can try
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alternate strategies you can't go full
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like no-kill stealth to complete this
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game as far as i know well there are
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places where you can there are certain
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counters where you can sneak out without
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without necessarily having to kill
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everybody like when you're in that
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subway and down in the subway you can
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likes me through most right yeah and
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there's get the basement of the hotel
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where you can you can actually if you
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can avoid the stalkers you can get out
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of there without taking out everybody
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have to i think actually have to get
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past a bloater at one point if you're
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and you can actually avoid him and and
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the rest of the guys in that section but
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sometimes you have to kill you don't you
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don't know which is which you don't know
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is that those times where I have to kill
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or is this one of those times where i
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can sneak by right the first yeah it was
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in the high school right
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this is the second one this is the one
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down in the youth you fall
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did I later collaterally get a huge run
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past and you can just get out of there
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right that's right you know generator
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yeah i mean i agree with you John
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especially for the for the first third
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of the game like while you're in boston
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i found that combat excellent like
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sneaking up on people do I have enough
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shelves to like take on this clicker
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right I thought that was awesome but
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where the game fellow um I will say fell
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where where the thing I enjoyed the most
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about the game stopped being in the game
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was as soon as you got the shotgun and
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then it was like you're near clicker
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like I'm constantly giving shotgun am
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out like let's just wait for them to get
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close and bam shoot him in the head and
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I felt like at that point it really just
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turned into it was so close to the
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Uncharted combat engine at that point
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where literally its bullet sponge
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enemies again like enemies shooting
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ahead two or three times of the pistol
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that our clickers like they're just
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normal people and they'll still come
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after you
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I mean it just it breaks the illusion
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for me there's a lot of stuff breaking
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the illusion here but it's like he used
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allowed weapon like that wouldn't you
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know this warm cum like every i was
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saying you must be a heck a lot better
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with shocked than I am because I wanted
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firing shotguns I've got like 14 14
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stalkers or runners chasing ya then I'm
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just taking off
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yeah you have to kill themself Lee
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otherwise you know you're looking really
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is a lot of crowd my name in the lot of
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crowd management in the game where you
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have to sort of have situational
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awareness with that silky they have to
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say how many people are here where are
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they and heard them sort of like if I do
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this you know you have like I spent a
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lot of the game doing that silly thing
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where you throw a little rock and it
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makes a noise and then they go over
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there like you every time I try to just
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run in with guns blazing it didn't work
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out well for me like you know maybe if
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you had you know I don't know if you're
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better at this type of control scheme
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i'm not good at this time because we
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don't like it but i would i would plan
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my attacks and I would sort of her
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the enemy's nobody even humans like you
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could hurt because they're silly i right
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so you can you can figure out what their
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awareness radius as an end and formulate
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a plan of attack now even though I
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enjoyed that and it was an egg and i
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would say it's not like resident evil 4
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wasn't uniforms like zombies coming you
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have to kill them there's a million of
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the coming at you like it's much more
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intense in that way this was like
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therefore guys out there especially
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humans i found the humans much more
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threatening and dangerous to me than the
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zombies because once you figure out the
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zombies and how to deal with them you
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can kind of plan it out the human AI was
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much more aggressive to say the very
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least I am I had you know I had to
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really plan my attacks against the
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humans especially I thought in the I
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think this was in the dlc which we'll
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talk about in the end a lot of human
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encounters they're really gave me
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trouble and I was turning it down too
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easy because I was like I again I wanted
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to get through the game and I'd the
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combat was not my reward it wasn't like
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that i like the visceral experience of
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combat but I did like the fact that i
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felt threatened by a small numbers of
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enemies humanae I would be stealthy to
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they would they would think for
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themselves and they would they would get
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behind objects in other flank you it's
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yeah they would like to work in teams
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and tell each other where to go i use
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that listening feature so much to get on
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well together levels like you it and I i
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found kind of your only hope really it
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was good that your lack of ammo ammo the
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stealth it made you use this the stealth
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ability instead of just going in guns
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blazing and killing everything and I
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really like that part of the game
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I thought it was great because there are
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a couple games out there that you know
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they have those features but if you just
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go in and you're quick with a knife and
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started stabbing everybody you can just
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like plowed through a level but this
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daily wasn't like that i mean the stuff
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was always the most efficient way to
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kill somebody right because then you're
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not upsetting a crowd then you're not
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having you know it's all quiet so when
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you were able to sneak up on somebody
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and do that like that was the best
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um I guess maybe it just comes down to
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the way we played it like I played so
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much resident evil 4 5 & 6 at this point
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that maybe I'm kind of going in akron
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when I didn't need to i think that's
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probably because I felt it was I thought
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that was pretty well well balanced for
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me anyway and I don't play a lot of of
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this type of game without a mouse and
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keyboard so that probably added to it a
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little bit for me but in terms of
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taking me out of the game by the combat
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didn't really do that for me the fact
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that my my teammates were invisible to
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it i really enjoyed the fact that that
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the tests and Ellie and some of the
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later NPCs are actually contributing in
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yeah and that seems really really cool
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to me right up until the moment that I
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realized that they were like running
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around making loud circles around the
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clickers in the subway area and then
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we're completely not being noticed
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we're standing right out in the open as
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it as a as an enemy was sort of
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gradually creeping up on them right out
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in plain sight now I i mentioned in my
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confession that I played this uneasy and
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what was the difficulty level that all
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you used used in this i think if you
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were you were on my on difficult brag
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about it come
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yeah yeah play the whole thing on hard
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yeah look at that awesome awesome
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yeah well that's just my ass is the way
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I like to play games back i just
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realized our if I can no get this i can
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make it through the hard then I feel
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like I completed the game I don't do it
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again another survival you need to do it
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yeah i know they have two different
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survival and then there's one over there
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is any when they added I think
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afterwards is part of a pattern we
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should insane level and I didn't even
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try them yet i didn't even know you get
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one bullet is that you have no health
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you just if they shoot you you die which
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i did notice you ladies gonna shoot this
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guy and he dies they shoot me like five
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times i'm still working
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that's easy i guess but i have to say i
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went through a lot of the sections like
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I it took me some of them very long time
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I did them over and over and over again
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till I got it right i mean i think the
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game took me 25 hours total because I
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just so it's not bad i was i was just i
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just needed to get through it all and
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also I'm a collector if you're playing
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on that level you have to be looking at
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every spare corner for a moment only
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worn out out to class i'm such a hoarder
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and I love games that make you like
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hoard things like that it's a fantastic
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I was so into that part I like building
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weapons i like finding little pieces of
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paper that help you open up little safes
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and getting upgrades and I just feel all
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Pat myself on the back that i found all
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these hidden things you know so i'll
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spend a lot of time in games finding all
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that stuff and i like that i like it
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because there's a level designer that
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works really really hard to create every
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single part of that game and for me the
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fun it's like going through there and
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seeing the way that they have placed all
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there static meshes they did their
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lighting in different places so that's a
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mechanic i really like 22 like explore
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the the limits of the world that created
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but also because i also have that
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hoarding tendency sit i love seeing all
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the empty rooms too
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yes nothing in there but it's so
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beautiful and like intricate and
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detailed may spend all this time making
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an empty room that had nothing in it it
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was just fun to explore and they didn't
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look too repetitive either if there are
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a lot of sections where you you just
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have to run through there's no way you
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can even stop and and experience the
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rooms and yet they're there you can turn
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into a blind alley and find this
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gorgeously rendered beautiful room full
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of interesting trash and body parts and
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and it's just there because somebody
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made it you know but you you never
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expected to spend any time in there it's
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just the level of detail is just amazing
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yeah I can ever seven points when I just
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stopped and thought I cannot believe
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like the level of detail in this in this
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and they just its relentless like
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they're there every corner you go around
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there there are more impressive details
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in these sets the are ya i was i was
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kind of blown away by that was that was
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pretty impressive everybody else's
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normal difficulty the IBI normal for the
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same reason that Brianna said which is I
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think he's bringing a move that
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basically if that's normal than that
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sort of the default level that's the
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level that they are expecting most
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people to play at so yeah if I went for
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easy i felt like i would presumably be
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missing something and it worked out
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perfectly for me it's just about the
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right level of difficulty think i had to
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replay a few combat sequences two or
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three times and some of the harder ones
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who love few more than that but it it
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never got horribly frustrating and again
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at when i played it this week is kinda
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run-up to this podcast is to sort of
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remind myself because I played a long
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time ago I played on easy because i
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wanted to blast through it and i was i
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was amazed at how how many fewer things
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there actually are coming after you and
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the easy level it's it's much less
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difficult like that i was talking about
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that bloater in the hotel in in
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Pittsburgh and it's just not there on
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easy his his little den with all of the
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the fungus growing on the wall that
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looks like
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being a bloater central is there but he
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doesn't pop up and I was all braced
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walking down that hallway towards the
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the the card reader dork ok the blood is
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coming to bloggers come and I know he's
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I remember he was there last time that I
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got to the end I was like huh
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so I ran my little card through and I
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was like oh ok it is easy welcome to my
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world steve i started i started the game
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on normal but I switched to easy once I
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felt like okay I've gotten I understand
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this game's combat now I've seen all the
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different enemies i bought them all in
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progression of the game and the settings
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in the story than i am and having yet
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another knockdown drag-out like
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eventually my tolerance for doing a
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combat more than once went down to zero
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and I was like well let me switch too
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easy so and I don't mind like if if I'm
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in a game where I get through every
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combat encounter without dying on the
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first try
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that's ok with me like it's it's kind of
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like you know especially if the game is
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narrative I yeah it's like not having to
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go back and re-read chapter eight if
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you're in it for the combat like if
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someone like tiff whose get getting
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mostly roared out of the combat then
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it's not then it's good it's good to
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have to redo it because they're getting
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more the thing you like but it a certain
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point I just want to progress so i
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switched to easy i'll even redo a level
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if i didn't feel like i did a good job
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like you guys like today and I don't
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think I did a good job like oh I can
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feel like I way that I had that feeling
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that some times where like if I did if I
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didn't get enough it's a kind of game
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that has like if you get through this
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level in a certain way and come out of
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it with this amount of health will
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really help you later this items that
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will help you later in the game and then
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I feel like I have to replay that
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because i feel like a go through without
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getting hit or getting these two items
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not lose but this game didn't have that
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that thing going for me so I feel like
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if I got through level and I was alive I
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was fine and I had that our thing well I
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needed on the warmer down
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yeah i did i did find myself collecting
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the diary entries and some things that
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contributed to the story I i found
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myself searching for those i did find
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myself wandering through the world a lot
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looking at the detail this game like it
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should be said this is like essentially
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the swan song of the previous generation
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of game consoles this is a game made by
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a company hit that is essentially
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mastered the ps3 like they have the
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entire life of the ps3 to figure out
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that game they did all the uncharted
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games they know how it works they have
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an engine they have a workflow to have
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artists it is the best looking game i've
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ever seen on the ps3 is really Hilarion
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the life I haven't seen a lot of ps3
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games but I i think it looks amazingly
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good it did it does have bathtub levels
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like they are all bathtubs I mean the
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old days with smaller consoles you would
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see all this level is a giant bathtub
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because so I can't see you know
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everything at the edge of the level has
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giant walls invisible otherwise our
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mountains and trees or something that's
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fencing me and the bathtub is huge in
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this but it's still a bathtub and so you
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can kind of see how are they able to
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render render this amount of detail on a
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ps3 well a lot of his fake with you know
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that's really just kind of a matte
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painting over there and you can't really
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go it's not it's not an open-world game
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you can't wander anywhere you want it is
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fairly linear and you are going through
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a series of bathtubs but the bathtub
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look awesome i think so i guess the way
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I felt is someone that does cysts this
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stuff is I felt I it's like when you
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make games it ruins your ability to like
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see it actually the way other people do
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but I saw I saw them recycling tons of
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their static meshes from uncharted games
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and I was really impressed with the vert
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count they were able to like crammed
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into individual sections but I saw them
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constantly using light tricks to like
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hide a lack of detail in some places and
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I saw fog to like stop you from like not
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looking at low res textures I saw like a
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poster water effect that thought was not
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the best in the world and I i was
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impressed with the level designers the
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way they took their static mesh library
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and kind of pieced it together like with
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ivy growing on walls so it looks like a
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natural barrier for you in
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I mean don't get me wrong i think this
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is i would give this game and 9 out of
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10 but I I don't know I you're like a
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magician who knows how that how most of
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the tricks are done because i would i
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would say isn't that first pitch made
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understanding of the of a well magicians
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don't usually make sausage but I totally
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get your point i think it wants to give
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you a little bit
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you don't even know how to get it is
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where that sausage come from so nobody
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else would know that you don't want to
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know this is what John was sort of
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saying I think it's like those are some
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of the tricks they used to hide the
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limitations of what you did right is a
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little bit of acid repetition within the
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game itself like I don't haven't played
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enough of the uncharted games to know
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if they came from the game within the
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game like the amazing thing is that the
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sheer amount of content that's in this
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game like you said yourself it's a long
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game it has multiple settings and they
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did look they're going for is
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essentially realism so anytime they
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repeat the same chair or desk or
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wallpaper pattern you're going to notice
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and they do it but that like some poor
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sucker had like just the amount of human
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effort in putting all this content in
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these levels like you said those things
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you run past that you never even gonna
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look at someone put all the content in
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there and they don't look like cookie
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cutter rooms I mean I guess I'd
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occasionally you'll see the same soda
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can or the same little dirty corner
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texture or whatever i thought i would
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see way more of that I thought I would
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see way more Oh every time I go into
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room always do know the dirty car looks
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like this right because it's just you
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know wanted to like there's just so much
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content in this game that I forgive
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anything if there's some hidden little
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corner where it looks like this a bad
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see more like they put everything in
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super dark lighting so you can see how
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terrible it looks this I I just every
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time I look at this game like wow some
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poor guy had to arrange all these things
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and paint all the unique textures and
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make all these little animations and
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make sure like all the data stream
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movies angles know yet
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i-i-i forgive almost any sort of lysine
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this thing because like i said it's not
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an open-world game it's not like they're
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doing procedurally-generated anything
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some somebody hand may each one of these
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levels lovingly and I basically i see
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every dollar they spend on this game up
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on the screen especially when it's on
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the ps3 of previous gen console i really
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enjoyed the fact that Ellie and tests
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and all these people didn't die for the
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most part if you didn't take care of
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them like you what you didn't spend your
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entire time babysitting them you didn't
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have to repeat level over and over again
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because Ellie died because that would
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have killed the game and really when i
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was fighting i was you know she would
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try to stay near me and she would like I
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would I didn't have to worry about our
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new she would like stick to my side I
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didn't have to worry that she would go
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off and decided to try to kill things in
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another room and died because we weren't
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communicating like I Saudi it's not ego
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is what you're saying
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well and obviously any goes it's a
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different related to this interesting
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your and you get to pull handle or
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whatever but like it's I like the fact
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that it like because when when your
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psyche character dies like this whenever
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he hates escort missions I it takes you
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out of the game is you're like oh a
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person wouldn't have done that why you
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going off and doing something you know
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it's a bit unicode thanks for coming to
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get her but anyway
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I I felt like she was a real person
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there because i didn't have to engage
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with her as an npc as a videogame npc I
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could engage with her as a regular
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ah during the sort of naturalistic
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cutscenes and during the combat I got to
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concentrate on let's get us through this
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by me taking out these people without
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worrying so much about it she caught on
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a corner back there and didn't actually
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follow me right because her pathfinders
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crappy sometimes you can even be an
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asset she gave me health a whole bunch
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of times that she should thank you
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yeah I don't think once you got when she
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had the gun shoots things and which is
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which is a nice character progression I
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mean definitely when we talk about the
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characters here you know joel is I mean
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that it's a really nice build because
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he's reluctant to go he's just doing it
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to get to to get the you know mo or
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whatever he's going to get that he and
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uh and tests are going to get and he's
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reluctant and then over while you know
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what's gonna happen hehe he warms up to
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her and he's trying to take care of her
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but he doesn't want to shoot there's
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this feeling like you know whether you
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know whether he doesn't want to ruin her
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innocence or whether he doesn't trust
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her with weaponry and then and then
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there's that progression where she has
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to use what is it a rifle for the first
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thing that she uses and then he finally
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gives her gives her a gun and and
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lectures her about how to use it and
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it's this really nice progression that
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leads to her having to take care of him
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but she's you know she suddenly is very
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useful once she actually has begun in
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fact i found myself saying give the girl
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I need some help i would like some help
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on this level give her a gun but not yet
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we had to waste management Joel was
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threatened for much of the game to it's
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not like girls like stand aside the lady
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I don't always have to constantly in
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fear of death as well like we're all in
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this together everyone is and I was
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feeling the same thing it's like
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whatever you know sort of paternalistic
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instinct has towards her
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it's like it's getting me killed I would
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be happier if she had a gun and come
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back me up in this scenario you know
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see I couldn't help but see that is like
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I mean have you guys played resident
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evil 4 with like Ashley who nearly ruins
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the game because she's constantly
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getting killed and I saw it just like
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there were times when I would fire a
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shotgun next to like a player that was
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near me and I'm
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no that would hit them in the game would
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magically hit the zombie instead and I
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saw that it's like a consequence of
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playtesting where I would imagine like
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some build you would cost damage to your
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your AI partners and they just said
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forget it people just wanna have fun
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let's just not have these characters
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getting hurt
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occasionally they'll be a plus sign near
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the meaning they need help but I i saw
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that is just like a consequence of
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playtesting just like making them never
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endanger said it's a better choice than
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what other games do friendly fire where
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you accidentally hit one of your
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teammates in the back of the head and
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the go-go al quit shot yelled at me like
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that just by your attention to it like
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because if you like in the heat of
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combat you're not thinking about the if
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you're not mentally aiming at friendlys
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it shouldn't let you accidentally hit
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them like that's not a friendly
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sometimes like run directly in front of
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you and kneel down an inch from Yeah
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right right yeah she seems younger she
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seems less capable again I don't have to
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use the right in the same enemy i think
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it's is the brush past that they did not
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that's how they age joel is the same
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skeletal mesh things did zbrush pass on
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zebra case we actually makes it look
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more weather didn't ring yeah I like
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painting painting the creases into his
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his million years I that's just a normal
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map that was faking that kind of death I
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going back to the combat against she
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does control differently than then Joel
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does she does fight differently and it
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was just that was just enough of like
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you know what i did enjoy the combat in
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this game and that the final mall
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sequence with the time limit in and all
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the different enemies and even in
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between things like shooting people in
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the bone a sporting goods store and
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everything that was just enough combat
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for me like the amount of carbon and I
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don't like the whole game could have had
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that amount of combat and like I i took
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a break between playing the main game
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playing the dlc so yeah he's gonna say
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it would have been nice if I had a
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little bit of a break between playing
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and playing left behind because I done
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that I might have gone all yeah i
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remember how much I like this combat in
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small doses but that's when the combat
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is the best is when it goes when it goes
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completely sideways and you've got to
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improvise I mean that's when it gets
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interesting it's far less entertaining
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when you're just picking people offer or
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sneaking up on them one at a time and
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definitely go sideways for me in that
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mall i found myself like backing up
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throwing well it almost had to
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try any of these things they really mean
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it out the the ammo i think various very
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sparingly in that last combat which is
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great and it goes on a lot longer than
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you expect it to so you're being a
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little bit a little bit free and easy
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with your ammo and then all the sudden
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there's a bunch more guys coming inside
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oh god what do i do I got to kill him
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with a brick
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wasn't there like a new type of zombie
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also introduced when she's down
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underneath that the flooded garage and
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had to find the gas can and like siphon
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knows what stalkers there there in the
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main campaign but they're very rare
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no though this the ones that just ran
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right at you the other sort their sort
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of my age again I could hide hide hide
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and then they'd run at you i don't
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remember those in the main campaign i
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just played the hotel sequence in the
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basement and there in that so I don't
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think they're they're rare they're
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definitely a lot rarer than the runners
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and maybe they're just in flooded
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basement that could be that makes a lot
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of sense for a good night Randy and
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their turn that generator on and got my
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ass out of there and they like
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generators that's what it thinks i was
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reading how they were able to like add
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new features to the combat and like have
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you tricking the aif like the infected
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versus normal people and having them
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battle each other we just found also
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knows a big part of that final level is
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like you realize that a certain point I
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don't have another stuff to take out all
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these people like rise to many of them
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they're gonna flank me the mall is not
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the the most defensible position because
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it's like escalators up and all the
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sides and so I was totally running these
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these things into each other and you
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find yourself breaks like look over here
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that you find yourself picking off the
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side that has more guys before use
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before you start that combat if you're
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playing through a second time after
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failing go out the the live humans
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managed to take off his obvious produce
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great better scab a couple before i
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start off this gob I don't migrate into
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the enemy's if you hit someone with an
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arrow like if you got a direct hit you
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can pull the arrow back out of them and
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you do but if you miss it's broken so it
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encourages you to to get i tell you i
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tried to use the bow because i love the
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bow and tomb raider I just I could not
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maybe I'm just not using your fright but
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i did not find it to be an effective
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weapon i could use it will help with
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Ellie I could make simple things okay
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huh it felt like a different style of
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game but like the the joel options were
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not options for le like the sort of like
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bash people to death in like you know
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like the all those things that come
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behind them and choke them and using the
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shield like that was just didn't feel
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like the only style of play so with the
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bow with her again it was totally shoot
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the guy retrieve the arrow sneak around
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shoot the other guy retrieve the arrow
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and he didn't have the power behind her
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to to accomplish a lot of stuff that
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jewel could with my right hand
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yeah like I said it takes to it takes
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two stabs with the knife that she's
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carrying to take out the clickers so
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unlike with the ship where you can
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dispatch them if you have a ship
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immediately
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you have to take them twice with the
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knife which kind of it up the challenge
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quite a bit
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i I didn't know if they you know they
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have like some sort of physics plug in
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here like when you walk over the bridge
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and you'll see like a paint can knock
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over and the lid will not cover it with
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like realistic physics I'm sitting there
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watching that and like did they have
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like some sort of particle engine here
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that they render all of that out like I
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don't know who's very very convincing
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yeah magicians just trying to guess the
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tricks that small that's how you think
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now you can ever a break and what the
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ever since i wrote a a novel
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yeah I can't read novel you wrote a
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novel by well it anyone can write a
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novel Steve publishing it is the hard
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oh but I that experience means that I
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can't read novels the same way because I
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i am trying to reverse engineer the
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tricks that go into building is so you
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don't absolutely and you certainly can
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see how they're built and that's why I
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feel so belly john i'm sitting here
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listening to you and you have so much
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passion for it and you're able to
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evaluate its like a piece of art and I
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feel like I'm a terrible person because
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all I'm thinking about her like the
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seams in the game and reliving screens
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are like how did you get this many
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static meshes in this high-level texture
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here where the PlayStation really only
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has 512 megs of ram here and 512 here
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you know like it's talking and thinking
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about as I'm playing it so don't become
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a game developer having better i mean
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like i don't need to try to make movies
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I find myself and doing the same thing
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in movies like I don't know anything
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about making movies or anything about
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film but if the movie is really good
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all it doesn't matter but if the movie
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isn't bad i know enough about
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moviemaking or if the game is bad i know
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enough about games that i will start
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picking that stuff so I think it's all
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about whether whether you get swept up
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in the thing because every maybe doesn't
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bother me as much but the game doesn't
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have me get swept up in the story or in
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the experience of playing it then yeah
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I'll find myself pick things apart and
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same thing with movies you like all that
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was you know like I don't think I don't
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know much about special effects but if I
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find myself picking on the special
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effects or how well like the compositing
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was done in the scene or anything like
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that i know that the rest of the movie
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wasn't working for me and that's kind of
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like a fallback so i would hope that
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even if even if you're game developer
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the only way the only difference is if
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it's your own kin which you have
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experienced this is about obviously it's
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your own game you played a thousand
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times you can't ever experienced in
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there in the real way but i think that
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even anybody was a hardcore game
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developer should be able to get swept up
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it in the game if it's the right game
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for them
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no i mean like i don't i don't think
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you're hopeless I wasn't swept up in the
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opening i was i I don't know I i would
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be clear I really did like this game i
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do you think it's a masterpiece of the
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last generation um I just think I like
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two little bit less than you and tiff
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tiff so you know we're talking about
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like the little nitpicky things that we
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did like and I just got swept up in in
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the we were talking about the dialogue
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of the characters but also their
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emotions and their the things that they
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did in the game and oh yeah maybe you
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could like you a illuminate a little bit
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more on shower how likely this is to
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happen a lot of other games but like
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things like they would pick up parts
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with both of their hands or like Kelly
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when she get her knife dirty he'd wipe
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it off on her jeans you know like there
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were things that a human would do that
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that the characters in the game just
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naturally did and I thought that really
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brought not a human element to the whole
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thing in in addition to all the dialogue
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and in addition to like in the cutscenes
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you know of course you see them doing
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things like i said before playing the
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piano and putting the horse but you know
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it's like that it was those little like
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I wrote notes about them because they
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stood out to me for being just just so
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beautiful you know those little moments
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that even if you just look
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the way you're looking at another part
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of the game you would totally miss a
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character doing that because maybe they
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did it once you know they would they
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wouldn't keep repeating the act
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besides picking things up about their
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hands they did keep repeating that but
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that's more like a human thing usually
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you see a game character just like
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grabbing it with their two big hand
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their hands are always so big why is
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that they always have disproportionate
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hand to the rest of their body and
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you're like that looks awful but they
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it wasn't just one handed everything and
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like digital effects and I also think of
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of this this magazine spread that saw an
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uncharted two it was showing nathan
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drake reloading his pistol it was
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showing like 30 different variations on
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it because I naughty dog dog does do
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mocap for all of this and I don't know
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this for sure because i didn't develop
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the game but I'm guessing they have two
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sets of skeletal meshes for the
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character like one is the super like
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detail rigged with lots of bones in
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their face and they bring that in for
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the cutscenes where it's like crazy
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crazy crazy mocap do you see the
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littlest details and actor spaces and
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then for the rest of the game and i
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would strongly suspect they have more
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simplified rig that's just your wrist
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here bones here all three of the last
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fingers on your hand like all moving on
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the same joint and it mocap with all
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these and then spending all your RAM on
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like various and I'm sets to to see do
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have that variation with it and I didn't
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know that I was its what Naughty Dog
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does they excel at that kind of stuff
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and having like in this generation of
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the previous generation of consoles
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having the ability to interpolate
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between animations in a believable way
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and having the feet the feet like land
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on the ground and stuff like all that
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stuff goes a long way towards getting
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you over that hump of like in either
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just one generation ago like the
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character speed would be going upstairs
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but there he'll be suspended over midair
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they'd be going up a hill but their feet
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would still be perpendicular to the to
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gravity instead of the the surface they
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were on or they start one animation and
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then you do some action that would
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trigger know that would jump immediately
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to the other animation with no like you
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know interpolating between the fact that
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we have the technology now to do not
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make to not break you out of it by
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making it is almost cute mocap animation
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of like you know we just have the guy
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was wearing ping-pong balls over his
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entire body reload his gun 31 times
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right but what if while he's reloading
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his gun you decide to turn around and go
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run over there or something you don't
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want them to something glitch out of
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their gun reloading animation and then
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start going into the running animation
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you have to have a way to them to
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transition so they feel like an actual
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person and we're just now getting to the
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point where in a full-fledged game that
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is that has lots of people on the screen
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and big and everything you know that you
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can do it in the believable way and
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playstation 4 like this game has been
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remastered as they call for playstation
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for it could be even better for only
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different playstation 4 things you know
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upraised everything and like i said
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before they took the the models that
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they use in the cutscenes that had more
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polygons and better textures they use
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them in the whole game now so
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oh I can so I can only imagine what like
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at the end of the ps4 generation what a
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game like this let it but you know you
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know linear bathtub style not a dog and
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adventure game could look like but by
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that end and its really getting to the
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point where the actors performances they
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spend a lot of time on the green in
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front of the green screen with ping-pong
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balls on them can add so much to the
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game in a way that seems seamless to you
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that you don't but you don't see it as a
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series of canned animations they get
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triggered a response and think that
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feels more like a little person doing
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stuff I I do feel compelled to to say
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here like mocap is great now everyone i
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know that does mocap professionally is
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at the top of their game and the people
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