The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable number 208 artists 2014 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► Jason L our topic in this episode is [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► going to be a video game we're back on [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► video games with a I think critically a [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► loved video game called the last of us [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► from from Naughty Dog on playstation and [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► i'm going to introduce a fine panel of [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► game players who have played this game [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► and now are going to talk about it [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► they may also use clicks as echo [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► location in order to find you and kill [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► you but we'll get to that Brianna Wu is [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► back and hey Brianna what's up what's [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► crack-a-lacking not much or not i don't [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► know i don't even up Steve let's also [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► hey Steve hey Jason how you doing what's [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► crackalackin with you I'm just over here [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► surviving and enduring my friend that's [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► good that's all we can do we can hope to [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► survive indoor live John Syracuse is [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► also here [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► hello John I'm just so proud of us all [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► that we all played a game even if it's a [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► game yeah well 13 and networking a [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► podcast about it i'm very excited I i [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► know i know you like these episodes and [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► and its listeners who also listen to the [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► accidental text podcast will will know [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► that there is a a continuing subplot on [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► on that podcast which jon is one of the [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► three stars of which is that John and [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► his co-host marcos wife Tiffany talk [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► about games and Marco I guess goes into [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► another room and submitting or something [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► while they talk about games and i'm [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► happy to report Tiffany Armand is here [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► on the uncomfortable [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► hello hi hi is such as strange title [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► that John's co-host wife Tiffany so the [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► last of us this is I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► lay my story out front which is we as [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► anybody who's listen to this podcast [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► before will know I am i am not much of a [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► gamer only I is shocker [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► although you have every game console [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► under the Sun strangely enough the last [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► generation of any next-gen consoles you [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► know I don't know who does [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► well unless you consider wii u and [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► next-gen console and we don't take a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► merboy yeah [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► yep that's pretty much me i really like [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► those short games like journey and [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► and brothers and gone home and let me [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► tell you the last of us have a short [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► game actually quite long and so I'm just [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► going to give you my my this is my [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► disclaimer up front i'm here to be the [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► host [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► I played about the first i'm going to [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► say twenty percent of this game [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► oh and then I boiling over yet and then [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► I watched the the mega video version of [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► it a little rest of the stories [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► themselves and I everyone's uh everyone [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► is disappointed in you days haha there [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► was I ran out of time there's literally [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► no way I was gonna play it I i would [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► have to like quit my job and play a [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► video game for a weekend and I have [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► other thoughts about it that I don't [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► think are relevant right [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► oh but yes so I'm happy to host I know [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► what happens in the game and I played [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► some of it but I didn't play all of it i [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► just didn't know there was a moment [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► where I was being killed by zombies [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► repeatedly and I I thought but how far [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► am i from the end and I looked up and I [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► discovered I was so far from the end [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► that I was like not out of the sort of [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► second set of like whatever it is eight [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► segments in this game and I thought oh [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► forget it it's never gonna happen so I [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► guess you're never going to play zelda [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► game for the podcast because this game [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► is what 20 hours or something in Zelda [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► you can easily go hundred if you try to [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► clear it all out probably not although [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► my my wife was playing wind waker in the [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► next Real while I was playing this today [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► so out of curiosity were you playing on [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► easy normal presumably using hard LOL [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► okies ok and i was getting creamed [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► I gotta say it easy auto targeting on [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► yeah this is not an easy game for people [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► who do not regularly play a first-person [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► shooters will protect ours [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► no I console i found it i found it [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► extremely difficult and I really have to [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► say I was stunned by how much combat [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► there was in this game because everyone [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► was was praising the story over and over [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► again and what it ends up being is a [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► very resident evil 4 / 5 like survival [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► game with with really excellent story [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► parts but it's primarily a like go [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► through levels and clear out and [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► materials i was holding shoot right [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► about that [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► yeah full of shoot until you get the bow [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► and arrow and then it becomes a stealth [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► game that's when it gets awesome but you [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► probably never got the bow and arrow [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► icon well I saw the video of the person [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► with the bow and arrow and I thought [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► that looks [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► cool now you can appreciate it properly [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► unless you actually taken somebody out [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► from across a crowded quad yeah I get it [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► you know four feet from and another guy [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► who's walking totally oblivious [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► yeah it doesn't really notice when his [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► friends got yes because its whole amount [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► by I falls to the floor without gigantic [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► splash blood stealth self splash so [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► before we get any further along I i [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► thought i would i would take a chance [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► and see if John syracuse might have an [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► opening scene [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► no not today as a matter of fact I do [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► oh I'm shocked a short one alright so [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► broadly speaking of these days I don't [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► really like two kinds of video games if [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► you listen to this podcast you've [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► probably heard me mention these kinds [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► one kind of video game is nintendo [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► franchise games get your Mario's elders [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► your metroid prime that type of thing [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and the second kind of game is your [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► artsy-fartsy and/or talkie game like [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► journey ego shadow of the colossus gone [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► home walking dead and I guess something [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► like brothers KRT fartsy yeah and fallen [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► short and I i tend not to like any of [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► the popular games especially on consoles [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► like I don't like first-person shooters [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► I call duty battlefield or halo we have [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► not played some of those games [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► I don't like non-married car racing [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► games and I don't like third-person [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► action games with waist high walls and [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► cover mechanic and so the last house the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► last of us contains pretty much all the [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► things that hate about modern [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► third-person console games things which [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► i will gladly list later if given the [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► chance but not in this opening statement [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► and yet I was a great note right there [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you know Thanksgiving is because i do [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► have a big list of things that I hate [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► and yet i'm going to say that the things [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► that are good about the last of us are [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► so good that they handle the overcome my [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► hatred of the entire genre and pull this [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► game up from the swamps of popular [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► mass-market gaming that I hate into my [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► own personal best of lists that's why I [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► think this is an exciting game for me [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► it's a game that's popular that looks [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► like all the other games that I hate but [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► i really liked it [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► that's cool John you're one of the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► non-horror guys that aren't you [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► well I'd have the original resident I [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► like resident evil 4 I like I mean you [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► can see how I might be inclined to like [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► this game as well this so we should say [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► for those who have [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► gotten this far that this is a this is a [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► zombie apocalypse game I the you begin [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► its not zombies Jason a fungus [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► well they're totally different the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► fungus zombies zombies just that's the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► fungus makes them zombies [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► anyway your Joel who is a who in the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► opening scene is a single father and the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► the his daughter is watching TV and [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► there's an outbreak of of the zombie [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► stuff and I i thought this was actually [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► good as somebody who had heard about [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► this game vaguely I thought this was a [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► great fake out which is I knew that this [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► was a game where a man and young girl [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► have to go like through a zombie [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► apocalypse and so when we meet his [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► daughter I think oh ok this is going to [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► be the story which tells me that you [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► never looked at the front of the box [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► yeah i like to say that I didn't know [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► it's good he was spoiler-free you didn't [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► even know what I look like [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► hey John so I fire out the spoiler now [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► yes you should we do not want to spoil [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► people you haven't played this game [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► don't listen to this podcast and we [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► should probably tell people what we [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► think of it we think it's good go play [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► it unless unless you hate combat games [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► in which case don't you'll still hate it [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► if it's not about what you can add a [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► bell I mean for extra measure all right [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► we're also gonna bring the spoiler belt [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► alright I wasn't really paying attention [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► I got to say and it's like I don't know [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► whatever and it's a video game think of [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► daylight on the cover anyway could be [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► totally different but I its I thought it [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► was a nice break out in that this is [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► what this is not with the story really [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► is because his daughter dies and is [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► killed not by a zombie but is freaked [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► out soldier and uh and then we cut two [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► years later and then we follow Joel as [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► he's given a mission to escort yong le [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► across the u.s. to these uh these [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► fireflies people who are who think that [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► she's a key to a cure to the zombie [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► infection and that's your premise and [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► then and then the story continues with [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► their relationship growing as well as [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► the fact that they have to i was [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► thinking of you John actually doing this [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► because my mic is capsule the last of us [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► would be if you've ever wanted to live [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► through a zombie apocalypse and shoot [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► zombies and other people and have that [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► that full on i'ma I'm just killing [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► people and the apocalypse feeling this [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► is the game for you because this feels [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► exactly like a zombie apocalypse would [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► feel to me which is horrible and dark [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► and you [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► everybody's trying to kill you so but [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► that's not what i like about the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► apocalypse I don't like killing the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► other people i like the fact that [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► everyone else is dead already so like [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► the cities or so and like your shot [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► apocalypse you got all this space and [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► all this and this one they you know like [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► if I was actually in this game I would [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► go far away from people instead of going [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► to ya is the game has a story that [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► involves we're just finishing the job [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► started by the time [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► that's right there there was so much [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► detail and so much work clearly put into [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► every second of this that I got to [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► boston and i thought i must be [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► two-thirds of the way through the game [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► yeah you're right how many settings are [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► in the sky couldn't spoil myself like [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► boy I guess this game mostly takes place [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► in boston we're just cool with me even [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► though they took like geographic [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► liberties [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► oh my god that hard drive me crazy [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► I thought he did I thought the t station [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► looks like a tea station [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► I did I did related but if i can borrow [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► Boston yeah everything is where it's [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► supposed to be but it's fine [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► yeah it'sit's I don't know that that [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► didn't bother me like you're supposed to [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► be here museum and then you're downtown [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► like nothing it's like they want Islam [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► is our wedding the Rockies ruined the [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► mandate yes they moved the museum had [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► been lost or the worst arm I'll let's [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► see what else it will the lengthening [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► actually I i have thought about this [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► when I was playing it that I'm that I [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► realized that this is how these major [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► game titles are done but I what what [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► what I started to think was as an [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► aficionado of those those artsy fartsy [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► as John said little short games [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► was it something that actually it's a [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► little bit like the walking dead game is [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► is doing which is I sort of felt like oh [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► I get it this is like a season of a TV [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► show like it this is literally like a an [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► eight-episode story that happens and you [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► could you could literally dole these out [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► one a month with cliff hangers and I [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► think actually for a player like me it [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► would probably work better like that [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► like look you just are going to do this [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► opening set segment and then you know [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► then Pittsburgh is going to come and [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► then you're going to be in Wyoming right [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► and you just just kind of like each [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► episode and and but that's that's when I [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► was I would almost you sad Hulk music [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► playing and happy as that as the playing [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► is playing and then when later watching [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► it when i gave up I mean I definitely [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► felt like like oh I get it this is this [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► is much more episodic because it's so it [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► is huge it does you know it felt to me [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► as somebody who's played the shorter [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► games like I was playing through what i [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► felt was like I gotta be getting closer [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► to the end now and i was so far from the [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► end that I was very sad but there's a [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► lot in here and a lot of different [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► settings and when you get to the when [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► you get to the snow later you get to you [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► get to ride some horses you get to shoot [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► ya shoot it [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► I love more general there's a horse [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► level there isn't one [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► no mine cart but course so on it you're [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► writing that is episodic and it like [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► this you know this they do episode by [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► city by city which is convenient but [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► also you know it within each city it is [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► that there's a story visit [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► does it smell like chapters in a book [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► there's a series of events taking place [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► whatever you were trying to do in that [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► little section comes to a head and it [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► resolves itself in some way and then you [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► move on to the next thing the story is [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► progressing the entire time and I think [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that that part of the game where you [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► feel like you're reading different [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► chapters in different settings really [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► works well and it builds to something [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► exciting which I think TIFF and I have [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► talked about this in the past like my [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► favorite part of the game was after [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► you--after bill to the point where you [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► know no matter what you do [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► Joel ends up getting grievously injured [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► in combat in a half cutscene type thing [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► and you don't know and things are [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► looking down and like this game is not a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► happy game so things kind of going [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► downhill and not working out the way you [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► want eventually just like you think like [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► alright so first first of all you don't [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► know how I just seen a bad ending like [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► this happening because I did something [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► bad and if i had played better [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► this would not have happened to me and [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► then I think in that same cutscene is [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► like Elias threatened as well it looks [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► like both of them are gonna die I'm like [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► well I guess this is just a bad ending [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► an immuno bad ending cutscene because i [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► don't have to go back and replay this [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► because obviously I've done something [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► I and then it sort of fades to black [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► instead of giving you another chance to [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► play the very next scene is winter in [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► the snow and has you creeping up with [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► over and look it looks amazing [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► maybe a job with the snow as you [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► creeping up with the bow as le who you [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► have not played as for the the other [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► portion the game I realize now it's on [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► her to take care of Joel that that [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► progression of like one chapter after [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► another [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► if they had been doled out like like The [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► Walking Dead I don't think that those [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► story beats would have worked as well [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► because i think you really need to [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► transition right from that big downer [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► right 20 it's on me and I'm a little [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► girl and have a bow [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► I don't know I thought that was worked [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► as a cliffhanger the great thing about [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that too is it's like it's like [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► numbering your basic programs 10 20 30 [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► because now you've left open these [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► little segments where you can slot in [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► dlc which they did well yeah I'd love [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► for them to do that every single [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► cutscene just fill it in with more stuff [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► i would like haha all the time and [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► they're going to direct action makes [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► yeah I I mean I guess I felt like the [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► the way that they told the story it is [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► literally exactly the same way that they [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► did uncharted one or two uncharted two [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► and uncharted 3 and often like the story [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► beats at the end are there to like hide [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► a level load because they do level [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► streaming in it and I don't know I [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► thought it was i I almost I can't [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► disagree with You Tiffany because I [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► wanted this game to be shorter and I [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► thought they could have they could have [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► tightened it up like i played through [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► this game wanting to enjoy the story i'm [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► motivated by narrative and I felt like [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► there was like twice as much combat and [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► say there needs to be so I I think I [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► want to move on and talk about the [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► characters in the story a little bit but [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► I I you know I obviously somebody who [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► who crashed and burned at this and [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► doesn't love you know I don't love [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► combat stuff i'm also not very good at [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► it and that's one of the reasons why [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► don't love it but I definitely felt like [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► there was a lot of that and and maybe as [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► we're talking about the tone of it too i [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► mean it is it is I relentlessly bleak [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► game in that way to and and I found like [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► after a while of just kind of running [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► around and being afraid of being killed [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► by zombies or shot by other humans that [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► I was like really you know I really [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► loved the dialogue and acting actual [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► acting of the characters in the [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► cutscenes and then during the combat I [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► was like oh yeah more combat ok it was [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► not i mean the parts of the game that [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► got me excited or not the combat parts [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► problems without the combat parts [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► there's literally nothing no doing it's [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► a movie then we exactly right i mean [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► it's this is this is effectively it's [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it's cut scene cut scene you're one [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► contribution to their trek across the [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► United States is you decide whether they [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► survived the next cut scene or die [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► horribly [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► that's really it that's one choice of it [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► with all the combat the cut scenes were [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► like a nice relief like we just like [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► uh-huh okay I got through that now we [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► can like enjoy their little banter and [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► you know you're going through and you [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► know you can trigger different dialogue [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► that the two character has between Joel [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► and Ellie and I really like that part [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► that you kind of had control over that [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► even during a cutscene or [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► you know they have the the movie type [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► cutscenes and then they had the cut [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► scenes where there was no health bar so [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► you can still manipulate the the [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► characters but you would have no health [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► repercussions for it you know like so [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► you can just kind of play as them and [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► teach her how to whistle and those type [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► of things that you could either choose [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► to do or not do and I really like that I [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► thought that really added to a lot of [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► characters there's a lot of ambient [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► audio as well like even if you weren't [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► in a cutscene if you if you played this [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► here's the thing like if you play it [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► like like just you know a short [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► attention span teenager just go like [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► kill kill kill cutscene kill cutscene [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► just trying to restore the game you're [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► gonna miss out on if you if you play it [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► i mean his different listen like [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► uncharted two much like I said I played [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► some of is that I never really related [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► to was a nathan drake or whatever his [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► name isn't it an uncharted I never [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► really cared about the character so that [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► felt like okay I'm just going to sort of [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► go I felt like I was going through the [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► motions whereas in this game I would [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► roll play like playing with little dolls [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► right i would role play the characters [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► like they were real people so I would [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► walk next alley and they would have [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► conversations ambient Lee in audio [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► whereas if I just run off to search for [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► ammo she'd be over there talking and I [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► get out of the range of her little sound [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► cone right and I wouldn't hear anymore [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► and I'd be like blah blah talky-talk let [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► me let me search for like little pieces [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► of tape and paper and and sugar and [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► Explosives because you know but instead [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► I role played it like I was really there [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► and like these were people who needed to [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► be you know like they were together and [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► that that made me so I'm sort of like [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► puppet acting out the movie not during [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► the cutscenes you don't have the same as [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► John exactly like that and it was great [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► you couldn't hear i loved it they had [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► that you could not hear the person if [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► you're actually out of range of them but [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► they're still talking and you could [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► totally miss all of that great detail [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► and character development of it as a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► complete us that drove me crazy when you [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► have to run elsewhere [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► I don't want to sneak closer to those [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► guys that are having the conversation [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► about all the tourists they killed I [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► don't want to get closer but i have to i [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► don't want to miss this cutscene well [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► see if I was when I was role playing in [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► that I'm like what I was here I wouldn't [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► need to hear their dialogue sequences [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► because i'm not i'm not playing a game [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► like my like I need to hear all the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► assets that were put in this game I need [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► to hear all the audio it was more like [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► if I was in the game and the combat was [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► over and I immediately ran away in [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► mid-sentence when Ellie was trying to [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► ask me a question I would be a jerk and [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► so I'm going to sit there and [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► talk with her right whether this [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► interactive button presses for me to ask [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► for something or not even even bill or [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► any other people like that was ambient [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► conversations happening if you suddenly [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► turn your characters back and go off [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► into the corner and do something like I [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► wish the cat I kind of wish characters [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► in video games would be like sometimes [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► they do this they have like hey where [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► you goin animation or something but I i [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► wish everyone would just stop talking to [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► you is like this guy's a jerk every time [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► we try to me because it runs off into [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► the garbage looking for power ups or [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► something like who wants to hang out [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► with him so I played it like I was the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► person I was role playing it like I was [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► the person in the situation and that's [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► that's what kept me playing in this game [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► and that's what kept me engaged with it [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► when like Brianna said like Uncharted [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► it's the same mechanics the same you [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► know it's probably the same character [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► animations in the same cover and the [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► same you know like it a lot of it is the [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► same but it just felt so different to me [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► because the story engage me someone and [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► exploring the characters and setting [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► engage me so much more than uncharted i [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► really like that aspect of I mean I [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► charted is basically a it's an action [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► movie you know this is real this is Game [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► storytelling at its very best I mean it [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► moved me that opening lived me the [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► ending left me thinking for a long time [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► and you each of the side characters i [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► thought--like tests i was so sad when [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► she got killed and you know or or his [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► brother [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► I mean it was this really excel like [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► when you start thinking about you [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► interacting with the people in the game [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► at that level like he did John like that [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► really means they succeeded and I just I [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► think that is what this game does [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► excellently i really like that aspect [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► where you can you can almost sort of [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► tailor the experience you have with the [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► game depending on how you want to play [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► it I mean John of course you know your [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► role play then and got the conversations [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► that he wanted to get and not the ones [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► that you didn't I [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► I'll own this game to a friend who [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► played in like three just marathon [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► sessions I guess over a couple of nights [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► and he never even got the joke book [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► pulled out on him [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► really which to me it's it's [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► mind-blowing that is that is such a [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► critical thing that hold that the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► relationship between Ellie and Joel [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► changes completely over the course of [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► her reading all those horrible puns to [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► especially when you play the after Dame [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► or whatever you would call that [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► what-do-you-call-it know what I think [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► you'll see there the DSE yeah because [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► that's I mean it brings it all back [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► right there with all the jokes and so [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► great but he never even he never you [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► didn't even know about the joke book I [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► said id what do you think about the joke [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► book seems that what joke book seen home [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► and I was blown away by that but that's [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► that's the experience you wanted to have [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► you wanted to go through and and blow [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► away a bunch of guys and that's what he [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► did because they're going to combat is [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► compelling and it but if you if you [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► wanted to immerse yourself in the story [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► and really get every you know every [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► every bit of it that you could you could [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► do that but it's great that you could [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► play both you could do both things are [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► pressing the X button during all the [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► cutscenes just like like oh look at her [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► in conversation XXX gonna get everything [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► I don't want anyone but she only pulls [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► out that joke book if you're if you're [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► crawling around looking for you know [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► spare shifts and whatnot haha she cheat [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► she waits for a period of downtime and [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► she's ok it's time to lighten the mood [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► and then she pulls out the book and if [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► you're in if you never slowed down [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► enough to search every corner you know [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► spend time staring at the beautiful [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► rendering it ever happens that's the [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► thing about the game is that you can [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► never quite tell when something is [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► scripted like I don't I when I was [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► playing the game it is not clear like it [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► would she have started pulling that [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► thing out and talking no matter what [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► happened at this point in the game or is [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► it just because like you like you were [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► surmising that was in the area are you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► know a sequence of inactivity and I [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► don't spend most of my time trying to [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► figure out how the game mechanics work [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► occasionally get that in combat you do a [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► little bit of trying to figure out how [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► the game may I work so you can get [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► through difficult section but most of [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the time I just wanted to feel [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► naturalistic and that's that's the magic [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► of moviemaking and storytelling and [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► everything is like it's all going to be [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► fake and it's all a bunch of lives but [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► they have to make you believe it and so [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► if you get invested enough in the game [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it just sort of our own unfold naturally [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► that's so hard to do because we know [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► like in in you know the past generations [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► of games everything had some thing that [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► you would find it was wrong with [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► character repeat the same catch phrase [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► over and over again and we get caught on [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► a wall and started glitching or like you [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► could never find yourself believing it [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► and games are getting so much better it [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► not showing you that you know what Elly [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► is not an actual person she's a series [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► of scripts and have recorded audio and [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► behaviors based on [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► right and it breaks the illusion when [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► she does something weird or whatever [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► like our time for a brief break to talk [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► about our sponsor this week it's Harry's [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► welcome back Harry's now I had somebody [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► tell me and this is a an accident thing [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► that when I had Harry's on a previous [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► show they thought it was Harry's like h [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► AI r ys it's not it's h Arry is and i'm [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► gonna sell my like my in-laws and say [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► Harry's is that better [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► here's the deal with Harry's Harry's is [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► Harry's is about shaving shaving for [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► gentlemen i am one of those gentlemen [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► who shaves I am NOT a beer too kind of [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► person and shaving is not great [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► it can be uncomfortable it can scrape [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► your face and make your face all stringy [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► and sore with razor burn razor blades [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► are expensive they're hard to shop for [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► you've got the blades with the super [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► expensive cartridges that got like a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► million blades in them and then there's [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► Harry's which makes everything simpler [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► to guys started Harry's they just wanted [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► a better product and they didn't want to [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► make anybody have to pay an arm and a [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► leg to get it and let me tell you it is [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► true I got sent some Harry's blades when [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► they first advertising the incomparable [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► and they're fantastic Harry's makes [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► their own blades they bought the factory [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► they liked it so much they bought the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► factory that sounds like a razor [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► commercial from way back [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► the factories in Germany they make their [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► own blades they are high-quality [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► high-performing German blades it gives [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► you a better shave then they've got this [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► amazing shaving cream cookies light mint [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► scent to it it is great that is actually [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► my favorite thing that Harry's makes is [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► the shaving cream it is fantastic and [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► since it's a little squeeze bottle i [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► discovered that i can squeeze it out [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► into a little bottle and take it with me [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► through airport security and I could [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► never do that with my old go to shaving [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► cream which came in a big metal can [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► so the blades are half the cost of the [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► other big brand blades the shaving cream [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► is delightful they ship it for free to [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► your front door they have a starter set [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► that's a great deal for fifteen dollars [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► you get the razor you get that wonderful [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► shape cream and three razor blade [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► sides and your satisfaction is [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► guaranteed and let me tell you i was [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► incredibly satisfied with this i will [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► never go back [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► i'm using Harry's fantastic blade i [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► love-love-love the shave cream so I [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► really can't say enough good things [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► about Harry's Harry's you should try [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► them out if you're Harry you should try [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► Harry's I'll give you five dollars off [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► if you visit harrods.com and use our [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► special coupon code Snell that's my name [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► that's the name of the clean shape and [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► guy who's talking to you right now for [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► your first purchase use code Snell for [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► five dollars off [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► harrods.com h.jr ry s.com coupon code [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► smell at checkout for five dollars off [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► start shaving better today with Harry's [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► man i love that shaving cream and thanks [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► to harry's for sponsoring the [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► uncomfortable i really like to the the [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► relationship between those characters [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► which builds over time and you know [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► somebody mentioned earlier the the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► secondary characters are also all [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► different and interesting and the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► performances are great i think the voice [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► performances are really good and and I [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► was blown away i mean i mentioned this [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► earlier i was blown away by the [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► performances of the the visual acting of [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► the characters like that that I don't [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► know whether they shot reference video [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► oh it's all know kind of actually it [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► looks like it is generated for him [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► no no well I mean I don't know whether [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► they will emo kept everything or whether [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► they just do matches or or how it works [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► technically but it was it was a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► legitimate acting performance and a good [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► acting performance which I like because [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► in a lot of a lot of the video games [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► that I've plane you know the characters [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► are kind of blobs and they don't move [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► like people and it was all very human [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► and everybody had different performance [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► I i have to admit that i spent the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► entire time casting the actors and [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► knowing that this is going to be a [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► live-action movie I spent the entire [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► time casting actors in the parts i and [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► and and so for me joel is lovely josh [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► Josh Brolin don't say all night and ends [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► and and she would be Ellen Page except [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► the old now that's a lawsuit about that [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► yeah that could they wouldn't wouldn't [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► shock me it felt like that but but am [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► well josh brolin should get in on that [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► lawsuit because still feels like Josh [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► but the jobs voice is out [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► I mean maybe I don't play enough of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► these popular games that is said I hated [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► but his voice is not sound like the [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► typical sort of was an unknown or throws [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► all those don't know i don't tell me the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► north is doing the voices now this is [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► troy baker but anyway north is a lot of [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► weight like the graph video game guy [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► voices comet tough guy i'm a big [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► adventure i'm a poor man's Indiana Jones [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► I'm a space marine I Joel does not sound [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► like that at all and his kind of I don't [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► know for the Southern drawl but like his [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► sort of calm accent like I loved his [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► voices but his voice was the first menu [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► and you better level he's gonna hear it [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► a lot like you know he's sort of your [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► proxy and yet good voice acting in games [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► who would have thought that happens [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► every once in a while I matched up with [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► you know the the the actor's performance [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► through the you know the motion capture [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► all that stuff and and Ellie was good to [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► she could have been grading and annoying [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► but she wasn't Jen and I do admit there [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► was a lot of Ellen Page sort of coming [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► through because they do look very [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► similar and I kept kind of picturing her [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► butt huh that good actor goes a long way [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► and like i said i don't i don't like [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► games where they do play the game watch [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► a movie play the game and watch a movie [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► I liked it better when I first like it [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► when the cutscenes are in engine and and [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► this point the engine is so good that [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► even when they're not in the engine Mads [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► close right like I think they use the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► the cutscene models in the playstation 4 [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► remaster of this so that's almost an [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► engine but it's not interactive i like [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► it much better when there's not there's [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► no gaps between it and this was sort of [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► charred to creep up on that a little bit [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► with were just talking about what these [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► sort of story sequence is happening in [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► Game one during round time I wish there [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► was more of that but that really that [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► really sold it [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► yeah I was actually surprised when i [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► watch that I didn't get a chance to [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► finish on easy when i was playing that [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► this week and so I watch the rest of the [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► cutscenes and I was surprised by how [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► much of the story wasn't in the [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► cutscenes I remembered a lot of story [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► going on that that I remember toward [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► being and cutscenes and they weren't it [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► turns out those were in game moments [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► yeah so there's just there's a youtube [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► video that's called the marathon edition [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► that which is the one that I watched [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► after I gave up and I i did the [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► calculations the marathon edition is six [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► hours long and the cutscenes in the game [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► are about 90 minutes long but the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► marathon edition is a guy who actually [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► did the whole walkthrough and then cut [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► out everything that wasn't like [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► important combat or the conversations [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► that happen [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► and there's a lot that happens it's not [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► in the cutscene it's alright and he was [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► performing that for you essentially [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► because during parts that aren't cutting [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► he's doing what I was like a little doll [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► planning he's he's giving a performance [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► himself and that's that's why i like you [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► know my favorite type of games like the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► Zelda type games where ya there are [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► cutscenes but like for the most part [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► everything that I remember about a zelda [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► game is something that I did you know in [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► service of a linear story is gonna have [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► to wait but i feel like i did this thing [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► and i thought this thing and i [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► discovered this and i found this secret [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► room or whatever you feel like that you [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► did this not that you were watching a [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► movie directed by someone else [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► I really like the i really like the [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► moment which we alluded to earlier when [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► it flips around and joel has been so [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► horribly wounded that Ellie needs to [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► take care of him which is also actually [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► where the left behind dlc level is set [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► along with a flashback and I that's a [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► great moment you sort of expect that [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► it's going to come and I really gonna [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► play Joel the whole time and she gets [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the gun and you're thinking about it and [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► then there's that moment where he is he [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► is impaled on a metal thing and you know [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► falls off the horse and and she has to [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► take care of him and I i love that I [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► love that switch in perspective I I [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► thought that was a thought that was [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► really great [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► I thought y'all might have died to like [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► me at that point in the game I was ready [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► for him to be dead and the rest of the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► game to just be LA because I would've [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► been fine with me [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► it could happen and they wanted you to [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► at least wonder about that right because [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► when they want to cut the winter and [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► she's in the snow and she's hunting the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► deer and then she meets a guy until she [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► says I need medicine [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► yeah you don't know actually I was named [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► David super-creepy super creepy [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► oh yeah they did a good job on him you [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► know he's played by nolan north maybe [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► that's why you don't like in time haha [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► bad guy about all the women he was he [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► was just super creepy and like and [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► that's the great thing about that point [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► in the game Jason had you played up to [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► that point you know pretty much all [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► these humans that you meet are like out [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► for themselves and the people who do [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► well are pretty darn evil and you just [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► feel like you're just you're just [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► protecting this tiny little light of [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► like goodness that you might have in you [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► in between strangling people to try to [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► protect like your friends and this girl [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► in to try to cure everybody or whatever [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► and she meets this guy and every [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► instinct in your body is saying this guy [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► get away like [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► you this is not a guide to be near he's [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► terrible it's so clear but then the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► other side of you is like have you lost [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► all faith in humanity maybe you know [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► like everyone is wary of each other they [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► do that little dance about like you know [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► who's got a gun on who and who wants to [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► help who and let me tell me where you [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► are [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► turns out he is evil your instincts were [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► right but like I felt that tension [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► during that scene of like should I be [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► more trusting maybe and it's so stupid [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► because it's like it's not it's not like [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► a game like revolution 60 where you [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► actually have choices that have the [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► consequences to the story like this is [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► dragging you through a pretty set story [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► but they do it so well that i was [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► actually like contemplating maybe I [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► should you know how should I react never [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► mind that how you react to that person [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► really doesn't affect what's going to [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► happen you're gonna kidnap one way or [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► the other but but I was it was faking me [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► yeah I thought that lack of player [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► agency really really bothered me through [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► the whole game and I I I understand [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► where they're going with it because they [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► do have very specific story that they're [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► trying to tell but like this is what [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► game designers call you caught player [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► agency like the ability to affect your [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► world and you have a decision and how [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► you approach combat but you don't really [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► have any agency and how the story turns [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► out and you know I realize I'm talking [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► about this i sound super negative about [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► i like this game i would give this game [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► a 9.5 like it's just being over at all [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► about something I ya know she was a sub [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► the graphics were nine [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► the graphics are you around the gameplay [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► can we talk about you don't like John [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► you're talking like do you have any [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► faith in humanity at all at this like [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► can we talk about Joel's character [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► because like Chris plant / polygon wrote [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► a fantastic up bad that I really agreed [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► with about Joel's a character and he [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► believes Joel to be associate path and I [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► kind of have to agree with that i mean [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► the way I interpret Joel having played [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the game is he so traumatized by his [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► daughter staff that he doesn't feel [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► anything towards anyone and he kinda [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► wants to protect he wants to protect [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► this girl it's not so much about her [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► it's about him because he just brutally [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► murders everyone in his path [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► up in the ending let you know that she [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► would have wanted that you know that she [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► would have wanted can we talk about the [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► ending like again we go sometimes i'm on [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► the ending [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► yeah I mean she would have wanted to [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► give up her life to find a cure and he [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► makes that decision for her and lies [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► about it and I see joel is a [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► tremendously evil character I don't I I [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► I don't know do you guys agree with that [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► team and I don't I in seattle in here's [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► here's the thing with that they I think [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► up until the ending and and i should say [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► I i really loved almost every aspect of [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► this game up into the ending which I i [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► basically hated up until the ending I [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► think they did a pretty solid job of [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► allowing you to approach combat in a [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► sort of role-playing way so you could [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► determine if you wanted to you could [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► take away take off take out people from [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► a mile away without knowing what their [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► intentions were and just shoot everybody [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► kill everybody that you run across [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► without finding out whether they were [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► good or bad [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► naturally if you did approach them kind [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► of slowly as though you you're going to [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► put out your hands and say friends [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► they're gonna shoot you anyway but the [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► fact that you had the ability and I [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► think they did a really masterful job of [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► continuing to give you that that sort of [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► ability to rationalize Joel's intentions [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► you know your your kind of able to play [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► it whichever way you want intel the very [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► ending and the end is so problematic for [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► me because that's that's the place where [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► you completely lose any possibility of [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► having any sort of agencies and CS and I [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► mean even even as I'm running through [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► the hospital i'm thinking okay they're [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► gonna give me something at some point [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► where it turns out that you know [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► removing the fungus from le is only ten [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► percent likely to work or you know I [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► know that there's there's going to be [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► some evil or something that's going to [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► justify what I'm doing here and then I [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► got into the operating room itself and [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► the doctor who is clearly no threat to [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► joel is standing there with a scalpel [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► and you have no you have no recourse but [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► to kill him [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► yes and and that was the point at which [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► they're there is absolutely no way to to [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► not be a cold-blooded murder [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► yes kill the doctor that's it well [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► something happened to all the games you [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► pretend that you weren't you get scalpel [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► you can watch out [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► that's right him or me you could totally [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► disarmed my I don't know I i think there [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► are two what Brianna said I think the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► game makes a choice of not making Joel [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► seem justified i mean there there's a [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► choice in a lot of the brutality that he [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► dishes out that i think is them them [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► making a point of showing him behave [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► like that it's not [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► I you know it feels like a very much a [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► creative decision and not sort of no no [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► that's not what we meant [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► I mean you're meant to see the brutality [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► right Joel in acts on other people in [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► this world he has no there's an early [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► conversation between testing him where [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► she says face it were shitty people Joel [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► and Joel says no we're survivors so that [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► dichotomy is better the whole way along [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► well yes she's no longer survivor at [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► that point [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► look at the way he kills Marlene at the [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► very end like that is a cold infrared [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► and murder yeah right in the flashback [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► I mean there's no way to justify that [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► like he's acting on his own needs his [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► own actions to like keep his own need to [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► like protect his daughter and he just [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► murdered this woman and I don't see how [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► you can interpret eyes something other [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► than kind of him being the sociopaths I [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► thought the character was consistent [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► throughout the story because like the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► whole story in the opening is you know [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► you have this character you soon before [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► the game began was just a regular good [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► person and he's and he's a broken man by [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► the time they do the flash forward to [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► several years later right and he's [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► broken throughout the game and it's all [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► things like his relationship with test [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► you see that they do have a you know a [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► romantic relationship but it's kind of [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► like that's the one little part of a [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► romantic relationship that hole that [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► into his life but kind of barely and [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► she's also kind of a hard case to and [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► then when Ellie comes into its like he's [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► like no I'm still broken i can't have I [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► can't have these feelings I can't think [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► about these things and he sort of views [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► le as a sort of an alien threat to his [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► emotional well-being and it's not like [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► he softens they're like you oh I'm [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► grumpy but then she makes me happy it's [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► not it's like that he's trying to come [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► to terms with that he doesn't want to [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► that he doesn't want to be I can't be [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► unbroken he's just completely broken [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► really screwed up and she's trying to [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► bring him back to the world and he [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► doesn't want to come back to the world [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► and eventually what he comes back as is [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► what I mean like you said it's I think [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► it works is it's a selfish thing where [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► he's like all right here at some point [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► in the game he decides I can have this [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► again again and this time I'm not going [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► to lose it and i'm going to use all the [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► brokenness in me to make sure I don't [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► lose it again and so when I got up to [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► that doctor seen in the end like again [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► this whole game like this what's gonna [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► happen is gonna happen no matter what so [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► all the the player agency is an illusion [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► anyway but when I got there again I'm [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► wrapped up enough in the game that when [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► I got in there and so the doctors and [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► the guys got his hands up on the walls [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► and shaking with whatever I had a couple [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► moments thought and saying I I thought [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► to myself again as if my as if my [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► decision we make any difference in this [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► game like i was i was involved enough in [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the game that I thought I now have to [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► make a decision because of em is it made [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► sense to maybe you know from our [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► intellectual was pregnant at the end of [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► the game that could be two endings like [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► this around with games like a revolution [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► sixties it's really expensive to do [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► multitasking the think so but in the end [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► at the end of the game [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► maybe you can have the good ending of [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► the bed anywhere so I felt like I had to [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► make a decision and the decision I made [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► role-playing is joel was you know we get [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► in there we go over stuff and the guy's [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► hands up and I want to get out and I say [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► you know what like they never did tell [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► like if I was really here i would say [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► you don't know whether you're going to [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► cure this thing by cutting open this [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► person's brain if it was so easy maybe [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► you would've done before i have no faith [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► that these dislike ragtag group of [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► people in this little dingy hospital or [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► go ahead they're gonna kill her [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► no one's gonna get cured from it and [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► nothing's gonna get better and the only [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► good thing I have in this world that can [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► possibly bring it back to be a function [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► person is the girl that table so you [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► know what no you're not going to kill [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► this girl for what i think is a very [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► slim chance of carrying anything and I [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► shot him [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► I shot him because I thought he deserved [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► to die for being willing to kill this [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► car so against her well role-playing she [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► didn't she didn't sign a consent form [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► says yes please take my brain they [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► kidnapped her forced only active clearly [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► she never woke up between the time that [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► she was out I know it's not happening [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► under consent and I said this is you [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► know I don't know every what's going on [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► in this world i don't know if i'm going [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► to save the world or anything but I do [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► know this person does not deserve to be [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► killed without her consent for for some [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► slim chance of curing disease so i [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► decided to kill him at [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► kill her as Joel I didn't like the fact [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► that I didn't get a choice in the file [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► dialog seen that how I was gonna tell me [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► about it but I don't like with the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► choice that Joel made maybe not the [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► choice I would have made but it was [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► consistent with the character that I had [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► created by acting out through jail for [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► the rest of the game [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► embrace your sociopath John embrace your [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► inner city it's not a sociopath is just [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► broke it's just a broken person trying [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► to trying to become whole again in the [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► only way that he can like what certain [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► in this world are we gonna save [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► everybody is everything gonna be all [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► what's certain is that he cares for her [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► and she cares for him and together we've [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► seen that they can survive and make a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► life for themselves it's not impossible [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► it's not like you know everyone is [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► doomed couldn't just take a little part [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► of her brain they have to take the whole [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► area out really nicely saying like the [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► fire for the fireflies are not nice [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► people like they are like everyone else [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► in this work with dr. is trying to [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► trying to survive by any means necessary [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► they think they have high-minded ideals [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► but in the end it's just a bunch of [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► people in a bunch of luck trying to [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► trying to stay alive and especially [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► because like when you collect all the [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► little artifacts and if you read the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► papers and then you here Jules responses [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► to a lot of them he's always like oh I [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► wonder if they got out her [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► oh that really sucks for that family you [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► know something to that effect so he does [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► have moments of caring about other [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► people that were in the world but [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► obviously all of just like everyone [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► keeps saying all the good people are all [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► dead already [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► you know like you you're in the sewer [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► and you see like those little kids that [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► died you know like you that all those [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► like and he has heat his character [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► expresses empathy and and sorrow for for [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► those things that he comes across that [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► happened in this awful apocalyptic world [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► but it but then yeah he does act you [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► know extremely aggressively and kind of [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► psycho at the end but hey time to take [TS]

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00:45:36 ◼   ► these are characters that are [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► problematic but they're not they're not [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► evil i mean there's that moment where [TS]

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00:45:45 ◼   ► and now I saved you from drowning [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► afterwards so we're good right and a [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► bill is cranky and sad that his partner [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► has has has left but and died but those [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► aren't those aren't um unredeemable [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► characters in the same way that that [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► David is well within their but they're [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► all in on a downward slope like show you [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► when you find that place it's like [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► something on the kids who died and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► everything when you're going to see all [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► those kids who died [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► all you did was meet bill halfway [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► through to their know being built Bill [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► got in a fight with his partner and they [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► they split up and then the partner died [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► he feels terrible you soon bills gonna [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► show the hydroelectric dam looks like [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► it's working good i bet that so suicide [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► probably think it was working good too [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► but eventually it all goes downhill like [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► that's why the lesson that Joel takes [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► her that I took as Joel through this [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► game is that nothing is certain in this [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► world you're not going to the only thing [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► that's certain is the relationship you [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► have the people there with you now [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► everything else like planning you know [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► like thinking that you know if you if I [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► just stay with these people and settle [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► down everything we find you just got to [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► keep moving keep fighting keep living [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► and all you have is like that you know [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► there's nothing left to hold onto except [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► for that person right there and you care [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► about the person that's good enough and [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► that's what you're living for and [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► everything else is like like I don't [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► think he should you know i'll go back to [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► the damn i love my brother sure they'll [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► be fine there [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► mm that's everything else in the game [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► has led me to believe they won't be fine [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► there something like yeah the first 10 [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► minutes he was there he was attacked by [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► bandits [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► so I'm right and I think that speaks to [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► the power of this writing that we can [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► have this kind of conversation about it [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► and that kind of interpretation with the [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► end you know I missed the point [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► stiffening is you're going through it up [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► like him showing empathy for people so [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► maybe that layer to him is there maybe [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► I'm wrong that was like that was you [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► because you were playing as him it was [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► it was really subtle I mean you could [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► have totally not seen that and yeah yeah [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► like it was it was all very very subtle [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► and a lot of times it was only if you [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► like satin like zoomed in on the piece [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► that you picked up and quote unquote [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► read it and then like put it away that's [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► when it would trigger but his reaction [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► to say something about what he just read [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► actually the one there's the one in the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► house i think it was right after Ellie [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► rescues him and and you see like the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► diary pieces in the house or like the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► little boy that needed to leave and him [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► writing about his family you know having [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► to evacuate and get lost in and Joel [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► expresses you know some concern about [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► this little kid that he's reading about [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► when he picks up those pieces of paper [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► and I I felt I thought that added some [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► really nice layers to his character but [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► you know doesn't totally justifies it [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► for me to immerse myself properly in [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► this game i really need to be able to [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► find ways that I could relate to joel it [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► was it was kind of the only way I was [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► gonna care about this place seeming [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► sociopath and i found a lot of those [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► places where he does show a touch of [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► empathy and in not too you know drag the [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► ending out too much but it the immersion [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► was gone at the point where you know [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► he's it there's there's no way that you [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► can find a way to rationalize what he [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► does in the hospital I would have liked [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► the option to stand down and maybe have [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► the bad ending or I need some sort of [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► justification for my actions you know if [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► they if they want to make if they're if [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► they're making a movie and they want to [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► make Joel take the make the choices he [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► does that's fine as you walk out of the [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► movie going well it turns out he was [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► kind of a huge selfish bastard all along [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► but you but you seem pet the horse I [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► mean how could you hate God had a horse [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► and a piano so keep it for sharing the [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► doctor you don't think the doctors were [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► evil for wanting in the gloom I'm the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► bastard that's the problem at least in [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► part because I've stuck myself into this [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► character and and I just was suddenly [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► just snapped out of it completely and [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► and I felt I felt ripped off a little [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► bit for having I sort of stuck up for [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► the game for people who are saying i [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► will you got no control over what you [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► know that anything that happens in this [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► game and at that point I realized you're [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► right I don't [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► I am i am basically just going through [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► this story that somebody else is written [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► and I [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► no no agency let's say well the fact [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that you didn't make the choice at the [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► end i can understand saying that the [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► character and I were out of sync at that [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► point but saying there's no [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► justification for like I said they're [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► they're murdering write a girl against [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► her will [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► for what what is far as we know is and [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► slim chance of maybe a cure of something [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► like it's not justified like you know [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► that note nor nor do they wake her up [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► and get her to say you're right [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► hey here's what we're going to sign this [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► advanced regular please rise John would [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► not only that if she was okay with the [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► joelyn and Joey I mean he would not have [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► argued with her but she said this is [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► what you want to do I feel like their [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► relationship at that point I dont 16 10 [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► because that's what happens at the end [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► of the game yeah in that area and she [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► basically saying look is that true and [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► if he says no it's not true maybe she [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► says I'm gonna go back there something [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► that way i read that line though is that [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► is that she's she's a high-class wing [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► Joel to tell her the lineout she 10 [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► Jones wants to be told the child has [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► really agree with that she is she's [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► she's a bright inquisitive girl [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► throughout this whole game her defining [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► characteristic is she grew up in this [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► terrible world she has been having [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► scientist or right she's adjusted [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► psychologically to like the horror of [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► this and she's not broken in the way [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► people are around her and she has this [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► this beauty inside her and she is so [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► inquisitive like that is what drives [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► their very nature so to think that she [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► would just want to close down and not [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► here this like I totally believe she's [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► gonna find out the truth and turn on [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► Joel yeah like I i could not [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► yeah it seems like he felt like [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► something was off he needed to know why [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► it was all that's the thing i think she [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► knows the truth yeah she knows [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► something's off it wasn't at the story [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► didn't sound right so he needs he wanted [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► to know the truth I think she knows the [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► truth if she is smart she knows that [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► should I mean the story tells us is [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► dreadful it it's got miles of holes in [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► it and she doesn't she doesn't try to [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► poke holes in his story at all and I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► think she knows that he's full of it and [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► and at that point I my opinion just [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► based on the excellent no facial acting [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► of the polygons [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► it looked to me like she was pleading [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► with him to continue to lie to her [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► because she knows she knows that if he [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► tells her the truth she knows that she's [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► gonna have to go and submit to the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► surgery and be killed basically listen [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► is known to submit too busy killer [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► killed the document yeah i mean that she [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► doesn't know the reason the reason that [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► she wanted to be lied to is not because [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► she's like I'll protect me from the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► world she doesn't want to believe the [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► Joel did this bad thing actually that [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► she did what she doesn't want to believe [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► the joel is capable of doing the things [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► that he actually did so hurt her asking [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► her why is that because please Joe don't [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► be the kind of person I think you're not [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► joel is that kind of person she also [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► doesn't want her to believe that he's [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► that kind of person so he lies to her so [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► it's kind of a and you can imagine why [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► not lasting very long as the game [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► continues or if there's a sequel or ever [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► things would break down because they [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► both know it's not true but that's why [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► she doesn't want to know not because she [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► wants to be protected from the truth and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► not have to go back because she's not [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► brave but because she doesn't want to [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► believe that Joel just did the things he [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► did and Joel's crappy version of a lie [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► is like you can see how that's it's [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► going to fall apart you know and that's [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► it and a in that way it's kind of it [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► it's a tragic ending in the joel just [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► wanted to hold onto this thing and by [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► having to lie to her about it I this [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► thing he was trying to hold onto is [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► essentially broken anyway yeah their [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► relationships already breaking down at [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► that point it's pretty clear [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► yeah well he's well and he's trying to [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► hold on to her and that's the thing that [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► is I don't know although i will say that [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► i felt while I was while I was watching [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► that part that I'm the the writers are [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► putting you in that spot right the [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► writers are not going to let you have [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► the justification of what we have to do [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► this or she said it was okay or you know [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► anything of that it is this this is how [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► it was written is we're going to leave [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► her sedated because we're the fireflies [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and we're going to take our whole brain [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► not like a little piece of it and you [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► know we're going to kick you out thanks [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► for bringing her here this guy this bug [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► is going to lead you outside and see you [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► later spelling smell you later Joel [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► thanks for bringing her and so he has [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► put in that position because the the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► writers want him to have to do that that [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► that mean that is this is the story for [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► that character it's a little problematic [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► to me that you have the one live patient [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► who's survived through an infection [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► for you know several months let's kill [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► her first thing you need to do is killer [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► and lose anything they don't know what [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► they're doing it just makes it [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► reinforces the notion that like the [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► chance of success is so low that is no [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► way and like if she was alive I would [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► argue to her exactly the same things i [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► would say look these are not the world's [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► best scientists here why don't know you [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► look at this hospital everything is [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► disgusting you think this is gonna work [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► I think she could be convinced not to [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► sacrifice her brain for how about some [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► blood tests then write like this how [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► about some little going to take the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► brain notice to jump to the brain [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► removal this is not spot Spock's brain [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► there are other steps along the way that [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► we can do here before we take up a whole [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► brand and what are the odds of the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► world's best neurosurgeon or you know it [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► what do they call the people the CDC [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► type people the not epidemiologist but [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► anyway what are the odds of those people [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► happen to survive it's probably pretty [TS]