00:00:00 ◼ ► the incomparable number 210 September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/0">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► welcome back everybody being comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/11">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► i am your host Jason L and I'm convening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/14">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► it's not like the retro book club here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/16">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► we are going to be talking about Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/19">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► King's novel The Stand we have talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/22">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► about Stephen King before we did an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/24">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► episode about his book about the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/25">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► traveler goes back to stop the Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► assassination just what is it called 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► 2011 22 6363 I can never remember when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► doctor who premiered and when Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/37">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► got assassinated because they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/39">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► student doctor who anyway but we're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► to talk about the stand one play it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► my favorite Stephen King novel it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► also i think my introduction Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/52">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► King I've got a great panel with me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/54">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► talk about this book which was first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► published in like 79 and then republish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► tin in vegas 78 and republished in 1990 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/62">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► are these schmeiser hello I'm happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► be here when I think about talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/73">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► people one of whom is laser miser so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/76">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► it's good to have you here thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/78">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► I also don't think about Monty Ashley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/79">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► but he's here and i'm happy to hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/82">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► had another way there didn't I my money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/85">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► hi it's good to have you is it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/88">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► okay haha i will accept that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► quite an insult okay good that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► was sorta not quite going for I I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► print the other person i like to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► of when I think of Stephen King novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/103">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► is of course John siracusa who is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/104">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► hello you know after hearing you say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► all of us that we don't have to talk too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► long about the stand that one thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► you ain't no nice guy oh my god i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/114">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► it the first reference we're saving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► for the complete and uncut episode yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► you have to wait like 15 years between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► the spot for you guys and just talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► for five hours tonight and all our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► release a one-hour long version and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/130">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► like for it to about my time also here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/132">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► to talk about the stand is Erica and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/135">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► I have actually had stand by our am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/139">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► stuck in my head all day because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► hopefully not a great choice since it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► not at all related but very most boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/146">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► what should be don't fear the reaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► everybody else out there who hasn't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► the stand you shouldn't listen to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/159">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► all right all my god you know just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► I think mid last week somebody tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/168">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► shaking my head because in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► reading the book and I guess the key is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► not gonna get this but I get that tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► I thought we would start by talking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/180">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► little bit about our personal history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► with this book since it's been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► for awhile I i'll start by saying that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► heard that this was a great book but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► didn't read the original I didn't I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► knew was out there and I had friends who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► are big fans of stephen king and end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/194">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► this book in particular and then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► was that big publicity campaign in 1990 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► when the complete an uncut addition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► that is over like a thousand pages i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► trying to see 1153 is what my copy says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► came out and I i said ok that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► I'll buy and read and indeed i have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► first edition and in and inside I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► bookmark of the first complete and cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► addition that actually explains what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► is from the publisher which is hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/221">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► it has a bulleted list of why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/224">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► bigger from Doubleday that I still uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► the morning very very helpful anyway III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► in the summer of nineteen ninety i was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► working a summer job between years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/233">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► college at this as a temp at this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► power plant out in the middle of nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► with like a hundred and five degrees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/241">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► I would sit outside in the shade eating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► my little meager sandwich and drinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► my little can of soda and reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/248">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► stand for an hour before going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/251">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► the mind-numbing work of really honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► the super flu could have come at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/256">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► moment and I wouldn't have even noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► because i was out in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► nowhere and if you leave behind payday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► that's good idea what Harold do so John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► what's your with your history with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► well I guess before the internet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/270">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► only way we had to get things was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/273">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► Lauder and remember the Columbia House [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► like mail-order things for four cds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► that's kind of how i got into music was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/282">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► like that that record thing and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► was also one for books was it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► Columbia's I don't even remember anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/287">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► but was one of those things where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/288">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► pay a dollar and get five free books or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► paperback club right yeah i did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/292">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► yep me too i don't i don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/296">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► which it was but whatever it was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► doing at the same time that I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/299">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► is getting the free CDs and and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► whatever reason I I don't like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► fantasy novel paperback before that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► I got a hardcover the same one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/307">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► edition Doubleday hardcover uncut stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► i don't know how i picked it I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/313">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► picked it because it was like the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► thing on the cover of the little sheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► that you fill out with a little pin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/318">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► the check boxes which free pick your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► five free books and so I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► what that the books were that I got free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► and i don't remember how I escaped that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► plan probably because i was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/327">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► teenager and should have been signing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/328">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► for it anyway but anyway I got work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/329">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► longer a lot of us and I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► also i wasn't released in the summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/334">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► time I seem to recall reading in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► summertime as well and so I read through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► that book and when i finished the book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► put it down and just went back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► first page to start over again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► that's the first look I know I had ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/347">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► done that with and the stand like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/348">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► was my top favorite book for the longest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► time certainly during all of my teen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► years in young adulthood so I i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► read the stand more times than I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► any books except for probably lord of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/360">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► the rings Wow all right Erica what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► well we were we were library family we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► went to the library of a couple of weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► and my mom would get like 30 books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/371">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► you know I aspired to get that many but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► it wasn't that many and I want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/374">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► was probably within a year or two of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► rerelease she I think she my mom had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► originally read the early version and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/382">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► then decided she wanted to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/384">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► anything about the earlier version i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► just saw that she had this book that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► I was like yeah I was like okay I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► to read that book it was just sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/394">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► challenge to myself it's that long that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/395">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► is something that I i need to to read II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► don't even care what it's about and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► was probably like a freshman in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► school at the time so I picked it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► I zipped through it probably way faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► then I should have because it meant i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/408">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► skipping a lot of homework and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► loved it so I i haven't read it as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► times as John has but i have read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► three or this was probably my fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/417">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► time through but I've never read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/420">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► original version just the like the huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► one every time we leavin uncut so i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► read The Lord of the Rings more times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/426">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► than this because i used to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► I've read them the same amount which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► to each so just twice each Monty what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► your story withstand mom's read it last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► week for the first time never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► it i think i had read the cut version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/439">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► once when the uncut version came out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► got the paperback so I'm a little behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► you guys looking inside this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► first paperback printing from a 1991 how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/451">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► oh i think i did actually read the paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► back so would have been about 90 91 when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► the library 690 now she's it's 2495 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► the hardcover I got I got screwed good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► job way to be a good shopper Monty it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► was free from the library you guys yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/468">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► tomorrow colored yeah and as a bonus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► back announces that the first two dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► tower books are out but I read this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/479">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► i think four or five times in total but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► whenever i have anything stronger than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/487">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► free-throw I'm miserable and I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/491">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► imagine that everybody else was soon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/496">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► this cold is going to kill us all which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► my girlfriend has reminded me that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► this book that I'm holding is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► riddled with disease because I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/506">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► it is Project Blue maybe it's keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/511">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► unscientific area a little bit made you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► Lisa what's what is your stance story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► summer of nineteen eighty-four i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/524">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► able to start babysitting and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/528">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► also some my mom graciously agreed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/532">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► drive me to the nearest used bookstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► and every week i would take the five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/535">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► dollars i had earned and I would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/538">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► and i bought the stand 11 week with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/541">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► along with like four or five other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► stephen king books for my five dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► some and I read my way through all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/548">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► short story collections first so i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► the short story that loosely Precision's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/555">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► this book and then i read the stand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/557">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► when you're in seventh grade there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► apocalypse i'm going to go live in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/565">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► oh my god i had a plan how it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► DC and live in the Smithsonian that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► everything you and John should compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► notes John also has something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/577">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► yeah but I read the stand and it hit my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► after the apocalypse buttons and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► just got sucked in and kept going kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► going on so it actually turned into kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► of a comfort read through middle school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► and high school and then the year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► graduated college in 1994 my first post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► graduate splurge was a paperback of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► you know completely uncut version and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/601">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► miniseries and I was on a beach break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► with a friend of mine and this poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► woman had to listen to me rant and rave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► every night about how bad the gas haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► its and that's not in the block and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► well i'm not sure like to do that but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► think i really like the way that miguel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► ferrer slate that's that's okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► you're blown up by a bomb anyway yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/624">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► I've had I I've probably read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► and I still read the stand once every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► few years when I want an engrossing read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► that I know will reliably entertain me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/634">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► and I find something new every time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► thirties and forties has been a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► oh yeah I've probably read it about ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► oh wow so no you know it's again i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► been reading the same i've been reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► for 30 years so you know where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/652">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► fair enough yeah wow so I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► logical next thing to ask would be what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► is it about the stand that makes it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/661">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► what is it about the stand that has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/666">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► multiple-time readers of this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/670">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► not a lot of books that i read there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/675">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► some my wife has a strict no reread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► policy which I don't understand but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► that's our policy admired this i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► there looked in the world there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/683">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► other books to read but i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► read read a lot but I've reread this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► will read it again and treasure my copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► so i think i want to start there which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► is what is it about this book what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► that makes it something that stays with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► you and that you want to revisit whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► you're just feeling sick but it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/700">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► apocalypse that is to come or what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/706">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► well I am a reader to start with I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► a terrible memory so i can't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► books or movies until i have read or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► seen them several times and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► like this book the first time through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► and afterwards i remembered that i liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► it i like maybe I remember that feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/722">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► of a great enjoyment as I went through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/724">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► it but I couldn't remember exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► therefore I decided to read it again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► again and here we go again so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/730">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► for me i'm a sucker for apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► stories and I think I like stories about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► the apocalypse and stories about way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► so the first half of this book is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► up my alley I do like the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/744">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► but it definitely tapers off as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► enjoyment goes so i think quite often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/749">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► when i start reading it I'm rereading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► just to see the apocalypse happen again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► and then because I've already gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► that far i might as well stick around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/757">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► yeah yeah I feel the same way actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► that that I I I definitely maybe we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/762">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► talk about this later I definitely enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/765">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► the first part more than the the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/766">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► enjoying the the the layout of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► actual apocalypse as it as it spreads & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► M in the immediate aftermath as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► to sort of then the battle between good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► and evil that comes afternoon what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► else one of my favorite parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► apocalypse scenario you guys are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► about is one that I didn't get to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/788">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► until the complete version came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► it's chapter 38 way to describe all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► ways that people died that are super flu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/793">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► yeah that's a great one yeah like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► poor kids who died from neglect or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► girl who gets locked in the freezer with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► her husband and her son or the woman who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► blow yourself up with a gun the hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/805">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► an addict i love that chapter um I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/806">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► know why I just drink it but but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/809">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► i think because it points out that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► can have this you know again romantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► adolescent fantasy about Oh surely once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► i survived its it's all you know she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► cakes and victory and putting myself to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► sleep by the Hope Diamond every night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► and then someone points out that now as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► a matter of fact the world becomes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/827">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► more dangerous and you are a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► loan it but I think why I keep rereading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► is I always find someone new to latch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/833">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► um like the first reread I did where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► realized that when Stephen King was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/841">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► writing Harold water he was essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► putting a Navitar for a youthful write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► his own youthful regularly ego in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► book was was kind of an eye-opener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► without holy crap this is a guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► just look back on his working this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► the guy who's supplementing his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► self-loathing and his fears about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► writing in in to harold and it gave me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/860">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► lot more sympathy for that character for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/864">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► example and again as i find as i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► older of different characters do or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► don't resonate with me the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► um that said Mike Russian jelyn my crush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► on blood Bateman however has been going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► oh my god I can't explain it but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► it is oh I like that it's essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/880">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► three or four different novels in a Rome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/884">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► that you get people worrying about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/887">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► spread of the disease and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► disease itself and I to love chapter 38 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/893">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► because it shows that the author has put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/896">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► actually putting thought into what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► the effects of all these things that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► doing to earth or at least America I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► guess we don't really know what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/906">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► to the rest of the planet probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► great but there aren't that many books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► that take huge tonal shifts where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► start off with an entire world and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► 500 pages later you're reading notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► from us of a note from a subcommittee on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► whether or not to take a census exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/925">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► why this could this could have been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► know two books or three books I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► that would have been another way to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► publishing industry and in Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/936">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► started it 500 pages in and just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► there was an apocalypse and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► but the people i want to talk about died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► but he really takes his time making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► I find it fascinating that friend is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► such a naturally gifted writer and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► just you know it's not he's got some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► weird veins of subtlety through the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► but I i have found it interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► the fran passages he points out what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► natural voice she has a natural impulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► compared to harold who desperately wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► to be a writer and lets his own stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► nature getting away so i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► actually working out some some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► artistic crisis issues along the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► with his book to just talk about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► past podcast I like Apocalypse stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► as well and this and we also talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► different kinds of apocalypse and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/983">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► most appealing kind to me and one I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► never read up until this point was i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► guess i think you had called the clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► apocalypse where things aren't destroyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► or blown up a radioactive this dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► bodies everywhere but they eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/994">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► animals either you know like take care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► of itself eventually but everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► is still there and so it fulfill its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► like it's you know living substance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► missoni wherever you want to live the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► thing that you want to do and all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► people you know this is booked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► introverts people get rid of all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► people believe all their stomach that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► stuff is pretty cool and so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► exciting and they left their stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and there weren't enough of them left to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► eat all the candy food or anything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► things yeah pretty good shape given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► almost everybody is dead right and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► you read this book read the book as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► teenager he sounds like a lot of us did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► there are many many characters for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► to identify with as an introverted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► definitely changes of course as you age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► and read the book and start relating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► more for the adults in the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► characters that you know I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► necessarily Harold is is stephen king or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► some part of himself in there but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► it's interesting takes on these type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► characters later but like it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► think you know where everything is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► to go especially if you read a stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► king book before because usually sinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► Stephen King ish protagonists and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► kind of know that underneath it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► they're really good people and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► going to face challenges in the floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► over this so many people in this book he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► can do like the joss whedon thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► actually that guy you like is gonna die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► or this is good this is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► turn out well you know I mean if Harold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► was the only character and like if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► was a protagonist and Harold and like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► big baddie bad guy in a regular stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► king book how would not have ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► the way you did but there are so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► freakin characters in this book that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► can he can do everything he can surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► you and I was riveted through the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► story like it just affected me i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► think i've ever read a book with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► many characters again except maybe lord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► of the rings but Lord of the Rings does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► flushing out like you're like a mirror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► or something you know it's not did not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► lot of times whereas stephen king is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► like I know how to do characters I he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► had clearly has an affection for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► these characters good and bad it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► give each 150 pages in the end up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► well he's got a tremendously generous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► heart in the book too because I I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► so bad for reward every time I read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► book I feel bad for Lloyd airport on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► Lloyd well I feel for like the word that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► one of I've never stop feeling sorry for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► those Naomi because she just had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► chance at all you know i mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► that one moment on a hillside where she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► could have chose differently and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► I've often thought about how monstrously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► unfair the the god of this book is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► the way you know he he lays punishments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► on people for free choice for life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► naomi is just as horrible horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► I John you're right there's a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► although money wasn't you when you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► were talking on twitter and you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► that you really could have done without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► um yeah I've got some problems with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► yeah and I can also do without the kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► once that once we start talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► the time that this book is set i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► have much more to say about what i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► is going on with the kid I realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► we have had several episodes of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► involving books about the apocalypse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► yeah to a lot of influence of of John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► and Lisa it was suggesting and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► know a bottle of the apocalypse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► bringing means only gonna make it worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► it i turned on its nice it turns out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► like him too but but it is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► about i always ask what what draws us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► first off there there's just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► feeling about the fragility of society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► how does the world and here it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► fairly we watch it play out but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► it's it's a premise in action which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► what if almost everybody died and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► he's got a reason why everybody dies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► yeah and it's it's basically accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► release of a biological warfare agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► that that kills everybody and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► then they're swept aside and then what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► fascinating to me is that then it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► about the what happens when you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► yourself alone and society has vanished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► and what do you do and what how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► survive and and that leads into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► second phase of the book which is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► of fascinating which is this weird like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► you know we hear that there's some lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► out out west that we're gonna go find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► and-and-and has almost like a mythical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► quality to it but it's also you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► it's also it says something to me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► like people are trying to find somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► to go and something do because they it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► you know it's over the the story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► they thought they were living in is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► different kind of story and that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► fascinating to i think yeah I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► that those are the most interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► parts of the book to me and RR when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► world is ending and then immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► after where everybody is uprooted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► has no idea what they're going to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► glomming onto people they find and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► people are sometimes good and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► not well I think when it gets to the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► know the end part where it's really sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► of the good versus evil and they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► having town meetings and stuff i sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► bifurcation myself a bit and I enjoy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► on two completely different tracks i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► really like the the the town meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► style stuff like how does society try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► rebuild its tough both on that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► that the good side and a bad side but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► don't like mixing that with the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► versus evil thing I prefer my good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► versus evil stories to be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► more in your face with you know dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► and stuff like that so I'm also enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► you like it to be more in your face and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► Randall Flagg is a little too subtle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► you haha i guess i mean a fantastical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► are probably better better term for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1324">TS</a>]
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00:28:53 ◼ ► I think you have to dismiss arrange that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► he said he explained that the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► pages of the book which is that Randall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► flagons have revived on the shore of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► some African nation right well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► the story of like what you can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► actually kill evil kids because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► it always comes back right and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► I'm not saying like I i say that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► obviously it's not the intent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► interpretation of the book but sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► when I squint that especially the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► with the bomb going off because that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► like the most overt I hey guys there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► magic and oh here's the hand of god and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► it's like yeah maybe or maybe the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► just went off accidentally because no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► one is going to be alive to tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► tale so who's you know to me and let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► get the you know the omniscient narrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► tells that this is what happened but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► you just see a big mushroom cloud in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► distance and you know Stu end up going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► home and retails but you like the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► explains how legends come to be in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► almost everything had to happen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► book is real certainly the apocalypse is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► because science-based or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► then all the dreams they have a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► old testament god that's one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► favorite things about this book like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Testament God not that not the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► Desmond and so don't give me that old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► time religion so this is a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► sort of baked into the book like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► not be kinder gentler got it anymore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► know it's the strange arbitrary weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► one and you can you can record it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► well I mean talk to rephrase what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► saying I think what you're saying is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► know that that's why this book has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► mythical kind of feel to it whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► whether even when it's not intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► that's how it that's how it feels that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► yeah I guess that's literally what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► happened this literally is like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► those stories and if it wasn't what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► happened this is how those you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► is a struggle between good and evil as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► relatively skeptical person i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► I one of the things that I like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► this book is the fact that it is not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► like that it's telling this this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► know almost mythological story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► good and evil and the forces lining up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► honestly one of the things that exhaust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► me about so many apocalypse stories is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► afterward everybody kills each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► each other until there's nobody left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► then we're all dead and that's the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and here it's like no no there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► story that happens which is this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► know ultimate battle between the forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► of good and evil and all the IT people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► are going to go to Las Vegas where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1858">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► they're going to get electricity running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► that woman's got the speech where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► says because he lays it out nice as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► is going to get scientists engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► military types of law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► because they like structure there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► order and they're going to jump at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► opportunity to to follow somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► offers from a promise of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► remember reading that again as a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► going to that's harsh and a hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► for Tristan like yeah I can see that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► general like Stephen King for most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► his stories doesn't do the Marvel movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► thing where the world always has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► in peril a lot of the stories especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► his early ones were small something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► happening in a small town there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► vampire in a small town there's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► telekinetic and it's like the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► well you know that they think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► all very castle rock sometimes its dairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► but like it doesn't have the disease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► where world you know fantasy novels have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► this the worst the world is always in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► peril bites the resurgence of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► ancient evil looks like it's always the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► world it's never like just within some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► villages one where often we do a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► story about that and like who cares you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► can wipe out the whole village no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► notices little town in Maine but I he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► has to you know to sort of great works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► of intertwined that our world in peril [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► things were you know that the dark tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► and the stand and those were his like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► you can argue which one is like it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► know obviously the dark tower sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► the cornerstone of his entire work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► wraps everything up but the stand is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► one big sort of pillar in you know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► going to i'm gonna kill everybody in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► world this is this is a world in peril [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► fight for the soul of humanity good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► versus evil which he didn't indulge in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► in his career up to that point i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► trying to think of what did he did he go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► back to that I think this is more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► less the only sort of realistic world in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► peril thing and then there's the dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► parallel reality but it's either gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► get expansion this idea right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► that the dark dad was kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► interconnected I mean you've got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► one of my favorite things is like it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► you just if I was you recommend someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► read three things by Stephen King would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► be like the entire dark salary series to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► stand in the eyes of the dragon just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► see how you can take how you can take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► three entirely different genres and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► styles of books and audiences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► connect them all into one big thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► fascinating fascinating trainwreck are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► fascinating beautiful tapestry depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► on how you look at it actually the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► first time that i reread the stand was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► after I'd started reading the dark tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► books and I was like oh yeah like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► meet somebody told me that he weaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► them in a little bit so it's like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► I'm going to read all of his other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► that has little connections to shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► which all just about everything I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► so and so I did and and then actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► just before i read the stand this time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► had just finished reading wizard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► glass again which has the scene where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► those characters are walking through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► what seems to be Kansas during the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► of the post-apocalypse because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► they see a newspaper that says captain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► trips on it just like oh I just get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► little shiver every time I see that hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► again because of its it's that book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► then they also point out that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► baseball team is what is it the Kansas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► City Monarchs instead of the Kansas City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► Royals so it's not actually our world we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► could still be in for this always want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► to be monarch swears that negro league [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► mhm true but in this in this in wizard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► glasses the MLB major league baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► and Lisa was mentioning Glenn Bateman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► speeches before and I remember my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► couple of read-throughs of the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► that was my favorite part because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► like a character in the blade like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► always wanted characters characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► the book to discuss like the discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► what's happening in the book this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► sit down and talk about it a few times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► they did that it's like yes glad it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► finally saying all the things that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► thinking what are the people going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► let's discuss it like instead of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► the characters being in dread and always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► running from chases or whatever he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► sit down every once in a while inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► let's think this is gonna turn out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► see that's exactly the only conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► I would ever be having with people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► be like constant rehashing of Glenn's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► conversations there there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► characters i have more of a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► as i get older just because I think oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► you know you tried buddy but you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► connected to the women in this book the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► same way i've connected to the male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► characters and I have spent a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► useless time thinking about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► that's because King bro this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► comparatively young man and was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► developing the kind of imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► empathy needed for whether it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► the book was written during the nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► seventies and perhaps gender attitudes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► or what the story is but there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► awful lot of slapping of women's faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► that takes place in like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► quarter of the book and I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► vaguely bought I've always been kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► bothered by by two things by Miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► Abigail's you know elderlies mystical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► black woman check because it feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► does feel kind of sticky you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► it's the kind of thing that young white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► men right when they're oh she's machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► profoundly other like oh she's a woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► and she's black and she's old she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► basically you know and she's a bad West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► absolutely like she's every possible of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► you can take off on the box and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► that's always bugged me that the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► that he's written her especially that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► passage about how much you enjoy sex and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► then I've always had a difficult time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► but like the the part of the book that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► feel the best toward friend is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► the part where she's burning her dad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► then after my life I've always kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► had our friend with the hell are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► thinking is is going through my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► through most of the rest of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► most of the time and again I tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► figure out if this is a cat's the result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► of King writing this when he was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► young because he's got a roster of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► female characters for a lot of the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► of his books or if this is an unwitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► reflection of the time period in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► King was writing this book or what but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► there's there's something about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► Lucy and Nadine and and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► yeah but the data Jergens the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► Jergens lesbian turn on and off thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► a little problematic and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► this if you're writing this book now eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2215">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► yeah I I never actually noticed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► yeah I I kind of the first few times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► throughout think I related to friend and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► then now reading it I really don't in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► part because I'm older than she is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► she acts a lot younger than she is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► think in many cases but I think also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► just the fact that there aren't a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► women when when you are compared with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► the number of well-developed male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► characters and then the choices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► they're all kind of archetypal and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► do get a lot of that on male side but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► think there are enough guys that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► not all that way so you've got mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► Abigail as the you know archetypal other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► yo woman basically and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► you've got you've got Nadine sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► femme fatale and religion sacrifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► yeah that too and then you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► girlfriend and the mother figure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► know friend turns into the mother figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► after being just like the wayward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► wayward daughter figure and none of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► seem quite as real to me as any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► the male characters throughout but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► thought that perhaps one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► for this is the archetypal thing this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► a story of good vs evil the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► all sort of do have a little bit of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► I think that it fits so I I don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► too worked up about it but I do tilt my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► head a little bit i feel that kings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► point of view can be shown by right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► the end of the book when even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► he's giving us dozens and dozens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► characters pretty much the four living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► white middle-aged dudes go off to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► yeah let's be fair most of them died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► yeah 3 out of the 4 end up dead and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► challenged man they get to go be Christ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► yeah i think it's clear that King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► understands the male characters in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► book more than he understands the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► ones and it's easier this point his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► writing career where that makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► difference in his characterization will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► give more time to the male characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► and their their internal monologues and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► motivations and actions make more sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► from the various perspectives obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► he clearly understands Herald and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► older man who sort of like what he wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► to be but the women they do fall into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► all these roles and it got the roles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► they fall into the role so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► the rules of the Stephen King sees for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► women or the women had the seventies but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► so many of the women's opinions not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► in this book with a lot of his books had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► to do with how they relate to the men in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► the books which man are they going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► choose as their man which man will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► their protector which man fulfills that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► like they're the women are looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► towards the men and the men are looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► towards the horizon and so they end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► either at the end up either thinly drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► or just not given as much time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► develop you made like the the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► stereotypes that you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► toughbook lesbian one like he tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► show them as at being complex and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► decisions that affect the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► story and so on and so forth but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► all kind of writ small like there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► a lot of the women worrying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► how they're going to fix the problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► the world like and the men you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► of the major thing about some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► are so that is just a weakness and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► think a young author and to be fair when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► characters and it's hard to make all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► great and he just eventually you just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► it you know you just end up leaning on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► the ones you can do better so he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► does the male characters better uh huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► you know he does as an author I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► gets better with the women i think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► you reduce the character count he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► imbue the women with more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► things like always and like a book like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► Gerald's game was like look I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► got to get this right it's just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► be a woman she's going to be my thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► under the whole book my respected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► she becomes an entire person um he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► prejudices but yeah that's in repeated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► readings of this and i said this used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► be my favorite book i think lord of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► rings has passed it simply because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► as i read it and i get older i see sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► of all the things that you didn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► when you're younger than the writing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► not as strong as kings later work in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► characterizations are not as Richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► I still love the story i I'm willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► forgive a lot because of the puffiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► like it's kind of you know trashy pulpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► soap opera ish sci-fi apocalypse like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► I'm willing to forgive a lot for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► decreased in esteem and and in my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► well the two the two people who kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► themselves over the course of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► because they can't handle living without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► a man or having a man take care of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► both are both women because you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► Rita the socialite that killed herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► around Larry never wouldn't love to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► Larry honorary but you've also but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► you've also got Perry who briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► mentioned a few chapters who kills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► herself after poor stew watches marks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► pen that you know appendectomy and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► the way that appendectomy seeing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► actually one of my favorites that got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► added back into the expanded book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► because it really points out how quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► you can be laid low on eternal enemy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► podcast david brin actually has a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► that's understood official then yes sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► he has a base throwaway line actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► the postman of all things where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► character kind of loses his head when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► somebody steals his tooth powder and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► loss because one of the things that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► peritonitis yeah yeah and that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► fanatical about his teeth regimen and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► had never really stopped to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► that yeah you know if the bacteria get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► into ulcerated gums it's done with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► so I love when stuff like okay once upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► a time I had this melody I could go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► the ER got it taken care of overnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► turns into oak rap i'm going to die in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► lot of abdomen abdominal pain to be fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► to Stephen King actually the his first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► published novel was Carrie yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► don't make it sound like he never wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► about with dentist so I'm just like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► that's one of the books that passes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► Bechdel test and that it's not all women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► talking to each other about about guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► because I yeah just pop up a lot sloped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► we're talking to get to each other about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► yeah so we're on were on characters now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► I think this is this is our opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► before we get to that important talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► about the timeframe in the expanded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► let's talk about the characters because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► i think one of the things that we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► mention really except in passing when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► talk about the appeal of this book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► think it's got to be the characters this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► is a huge cast and that there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► really memorable people in this cast of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► characters this is of this is a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► that there isn't just about three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► four people who walk off to Las Vegas to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► widescreen set of characters so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► guys have more characters you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► talk about now is your chance we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► mentioned Nick's a mechanical great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► ap I think he's that it's hard not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► novelization version of the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► from one of my favorite jonathan coulton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► songs the future soon where it's he's he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► kinda more or less gets his wish and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► that he survived the apocalypse everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► else has gone all his tormenters he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► finally has time to write you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► his underpants whatever he's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► swimming away their that the one girl he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► liked in town is the is this left I he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► is he may literally be the last man on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► and he has the chance to remake himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► and it doesn't start off well for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► he almost gets it's like okay well I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► be a new person the society i can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► I'm useful i'm smart people look up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► me like the great you know turn turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► where Larry says that house becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► legend larry's mind because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► disconnect between like this kid that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► meets you so insecure and obnoxious and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► everything and the guy who had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► smarts write those signs but he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► turn it around in the end in the end he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► is his own worst enemy in the end you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► know the the Robot Wars cause his love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► to you know have a bionic eyes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► realize that he is the person who caused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► all this and it's it's kind of a tragedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► out but like I said it in a book with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► fewer number of characters or in a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► conventional Stephen King novel he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► have turned it around but he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► have to turn around this book he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► allowed to follow a course that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► very realistic and likely in that he if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► he ends up he ends up being his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► worse enemy and can't pull out of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► know I mean he makes it more than makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► a conscious choice we can't let go of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► his hate and I like the type of story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► because it's not the easy one where when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► you know you will be able to sleep in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► the Smithsonian and you'll be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► person and you'll get the girl and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► everything will be great it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► wherever you go there you are you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► going to be able to escape yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► ah and despite your efforts to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► contrary and I that's why I really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► his story lines its I mean it strikes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► is not being clichéd and I I feel for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► him every time through like you hate him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► and you want him to be punished so badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► but so many times like oh hell you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► oh hi always feel so sorry for him I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► characters that I definitely had to grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► into when i read it as a youngster I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► black-and-white two-dimensional part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► it and I was just angry at him all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► time and didn't care and now that i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► had grown up and actually had some life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► experiences and and battled a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► with the good versus evil in myself I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► can feel a lot more for his character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► and I would like to think that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► turned it around and done things okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► but i can understand his sort of inner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► turmoil turn it to fight back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► transformation for me now than it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► when i first read the book the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► well as a teenager was next to Harold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► water in school and and so that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► reason I didn't like it was because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► was already dealing with people like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► every day then but you know once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► older and like Erica says you've had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► have a reckoning with the limits of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► own strengths and weaknesses and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► have to start and you start living with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► the consequences of decisions you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► it's easier to go back and look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► harold and see the times when the deck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► has been stacked against him and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► easy it was and for him to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► decisions and how hard it was for him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► sit to stand by and not make others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► there's that there's a the conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► thats too has with the herald where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► did they try to settle things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► friends for over Franny and instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► interesting fran but there's that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► where we're and King writes beautifully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► words it's pretty obvious that Harold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► just lets go of his his petulance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► towards the old old world and recognizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► that he can be somebody you like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► stupid really you know carry each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► through this and and be good people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► together and he doesn't do it and I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► Oh buddy the tragedy it really is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► and you think about the dumb things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► did as a teenager you're like oh I had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► i could have been I this person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► reaching out i was just too dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► angry and youngest yet so and then two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► kings credit he does not really well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► he's unsparing and that's actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► reasons i think it is Harold its kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► grappling with his own demons own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► I think there's a lot of King and Harold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► everybody i like i like that Harold is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► is weak not really evil he's weak and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► his weakness is exploited he fails to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► make good decisions because he's weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► and and for reasons right but and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► he is exploited by flag essentially his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► weakness and he he you know he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► get a reward he ends up dead because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► flag doesn't really trust him either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► right and and uh huh ok his because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► too smart too much yeah he thinks too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► much and he and and he's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► trouble you've already good omens right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► talking about how Crowley didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► fall from heaven so much as you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► you know where it's not that were wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► a whole lot of intentionality was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► series of small decisions that added up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► and that's sort of like Jason weaknesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► Harold's Harold's condition as a result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► of all these things cascading and i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► revolving around his ego he sees himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► is so much better than everybody around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► him and that is something that I be as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► teenager now looking back I realize I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► can relate to that I didn't recognize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► at the time but although it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► defense mechanism because his dad picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► on him and he felt awkward and out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► so we you know you see how because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► there's that lovely chapter where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► kills himself and well that's a turn of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► uh-huh there's that chapter 18 kills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► himself and you basically get taken for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► the autobiography of hair autobiography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► of of the formation of harold and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► know from when he was a small boy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► his dad is saying all these terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► things about him and he's better-looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► in this pretty little sister shadow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► you can see where all of the hertz keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► piling on and he kind of has to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► these defenses to push people away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► before they could hurt him again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► that's where he gets the superiority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► complexes because it's safer and easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► that is why i love both his written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► final declaration where he signs his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► name hawk and the fact that it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► dismissed later by RR for traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► beautiful dying declaration and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► completely like whatever Harold this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► ben and they keep ya like he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► even have any written mine was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► he's conscripted the truth to print it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► all whatever is a little it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► bit late by that point just a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► if you want everybody up and fled town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► and yeah that Lloyd has a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► situation where he is a person Vic not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► victim of circumstance but like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► weak and his weaknesses exploited like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► because again there are things he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► a good person right but yeah there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► things in him that are redeemable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► the flag basically waits for him to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► near death and like you know II and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► yeah he would have gone to Vegas anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► but if you wait until he's almost dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► you can get him as a lot you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► completely loyal for life like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► actually recognizes he waited until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► was at my weakest and extracted undying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► loyalty from me and I'm going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3058">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► him that because I'm just you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► miss it it's it's another sad situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► of a you know a similar person who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► and i'm using flags like well if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► no Randall Flagg around you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► to worry because weak people won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► exploited in this way I mean grandma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► flags a stand-in for all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► things that are going to exploit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► weakness or insecurity or internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► convenient narrative shorthand I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► to briefly mention one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► really short-lived characters which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► Starkey the general who kind of goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► crazy watching the videos everybody dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► he's really bucking space ooh that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► much of what happens to the country is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► his fault he's the one that says kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► anyone who says there's a super flu put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► every city on lockdown but yeah I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► that poor journalist in west virginia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► his last act is to try to put out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► interesting Lee tragic character because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► he's clearly gone crazy and in a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► the size King can take his time showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► him going crazy and then going down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► killing himself but fixing the face in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► yeah and then the next guy sits in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► chair why can't he have cleaned off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► face at least why don't know what he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► be busy but it doesn't it sits down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► noted that i got dark humor of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► is like you can you can't tell what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► just always gonna be said that guy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► going to slowly go mad while watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► the same thing but it there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► humor and a lot of this the absurdity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► the apocalypse is I mean even chapter 38 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► you can even think about some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► passages are just like slapstick death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► comedy of like what could possibly go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► wrong with these people but you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► thats that's throughout the entire book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► like that he's not not afraid to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► characters aren't afraid and King isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► afraid to dare you to laugh it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► terrible things that are happening but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► I'm gonna mention the trashcan man i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► he is a pure character he knows what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► was happy because it doesn't to fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► flat flag totally distracted him from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► his mission such a poor baby he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► basically be this i mean no way to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► what love is somebody that I was a bully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► the trashcan there and he's also flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► big weaknesses that he finds trashcan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► man as endearing as I do but even even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► it's literally a bad idea to have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► guy running around inside your group he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► doesn't seem to care that much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► well he is useful he does have skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► like he's the only flexpay problems he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► well I mean like he wants to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► the trashcan man's abilities trashcan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► and supernatural ability to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► machinery he needs that he needs them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► get like the fighter planes back up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► that base or whatever and he will enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► yeah i mean like what really like a site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► he interrupted the trash can Trash man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► could have finally had a comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► always going to do is going to burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► every city in the United States and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► would have done that for the rest of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► life like now I actually have to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► Vegas and go to work and be like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► seriously do you realize how much stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► I can burn in this country it's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► know I got West is pretty dance I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► yeah I mean eventually would blow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► himself up that's the way he wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► King even think as such it King even has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► sympathy for like the craziest of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► character is so easy to make a crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► pyromaniac but no he's got to give trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► game and a backstory why is he crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► what happened to him and obviously as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► mental illness but also people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► terrible to him too like everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► everyone's got their reasons everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► got their story even the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► just you know already and I even flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► has kind of you know that they tried not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► to make him sympathetic but to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► that he has feelings too he's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► pure evil who knows exactly what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► doing he has doubts he's not sure what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► yes he is he's period knows what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► doing and has doubts though I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► talk about his big memories and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► and how he incites the worst in what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► do like is housekeeping things like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3298">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► clearly from flag is responsible for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► complete cluster flock of seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► because it has to be even more human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► nature but you know flight that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► point is flagged out there supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► be well he's wavering because the forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► of good and finally getting their act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► together and hitting the road that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► that's always been my take on it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► that the ideas that evil strengthens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► when nobody works in opposition but once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► opposition is organized and starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► working then the nature of evil is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► inherently challenged and that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► a theme through a lot of Kings workwear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► like once you get the band together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► everyone has sex before vanquishing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► clown or whatever whatever they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► do in specific book like Amanda's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► it all works going to read that but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► evil works even works through people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► like it needs a vessel and so the vessel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► the vessel of evil and lots of Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► King stories like you get the impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► that the force working through them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► starts to lose faith in their vessel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► like all this vessel sucks and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► nice to all fall apart when it's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► thought you were a good vessel for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► evil intentions but now things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3358">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► falling apart and so that the evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► supernatural power or the powers we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► started to waver and it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► always feel like it's the it's the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► cloud going alright well this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► working i'm out of here like he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► to start over again on that island like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► let's try this again but you know flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► is more than just a vessel that he's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► know sort of weave throughout the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► thing is something more significant than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► that and as opposed to just some random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► guy who gets possessed by some evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► spirit or aliens or whatever but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► the same type of thing where it nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► gets to be beyond the their humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► beyond like that that the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► bother humans anger jealousy like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► like the Old Testament God who you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► it shows all the same attributes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► humans you know that what why would he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► why would be wrathful why wouldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► know it demand all these things wide why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► does flag ever have doubts why does he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► get frustrated wide why those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► happen well because he's also a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► kinda one of the things I like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► character who is just you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► something rather and he and bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► are gonna happen and and you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► feeling of that epic quest kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► for the Rings like it away right this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► oh you know what's like going to do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► the thing i like is flag doesn't cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► really I want me how to dougie does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► that's a whole shoddy workmanship on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► yeah that'sthat's it's really our fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► its humanities failing that causes its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► own end flag is just there to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► advantage of what happens next right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► which I'll i really like that that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► like now is my now it's my it's my cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► right now it now i can get to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► he's just wandering around aimlessly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► something's going on now yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► opportunistic as a virus that's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► one thing i like about the way flag is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► introduced is i have read none of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► dark tower books at all but just the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► sentences are saying some people call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► them the walking dude or all hard case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► like yeah immediately feels like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► a legendary character you should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► heard of already yeah oh yeah we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► about the timeframe a little bit i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► bookmark that i got from Doubleday when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► i bought the book it says the setting of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► the book has been changed from 1982 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► 1990s it's stephen king is the same age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► strangling somebody and that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► update it and they also and they also on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► head off the AIDS comparison because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► you remember the whole point 22 well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► it's the super footwear shot that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► shifting antigen your body just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► keep up and then what do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► grid turns into HIV which basically does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► the same thing to your immune system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► so they had to find a way to explain why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► this wasn't aids and those and those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► the two big changes they've made out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► that they put another couple pulp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► another couple pop culture references [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and I know there's 12 teenage mutant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► ninja turtles enjoy kids haha like an ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► y SE I had no idea i had no idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► the original was set in a different time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► because i didn't get a fancy book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3538">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► markets joining our differences so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► didn't know that until you guys were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► mentioning it in like the emails for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► prep for this podcast i was it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► blew my mind a little bit so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► fascinating i'm not sure quite why I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► mean I guess their marketing it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► said well how much updated so it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► of current with today is that that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► publishing industry executive voice by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► by pointing out but but it has problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► because they're there are some having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► not read the original I can't really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► a direct comparison but it feels to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► like there are lots of places where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► know we've taken things that are tropes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► of characters from the seventies and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► we just say it's the nineties or 90 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► it doesn't actually track with how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► the I I you know net now looking back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► from all this time later i feei feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► like it would feel better if it was set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► in 1980 because it would just be further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► yeah specifically Larry Underwood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► backstory yes Larry under what is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► n-word bebop for the cleaning crew and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► we don't like that rock and roll music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► it was a very old record I yeah really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► characters don't talk like they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► 1990 they talk like they're Stephen King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► a lot of the time sure that happens a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► one specific example i wrote down for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► early in France description of herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► appreciative glasses prime stuff was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► correct frat house term looking looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► looking looking looking here comes miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► college girl 1990s you ready yeah I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► empowered and Maxine I do i do college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► no no no so that's a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► stephen king's writing is that Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► stephen king came of age in the sixties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► and seventies and so eternally like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► we were all eternally in whatever age we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► were adolescence he cannot get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► that and when he tries to move forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► like like when he like you know it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► hit he's got the kid on the skateboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► and everything it's clear that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► doesn't understand what skateboards are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► like it's a party of the big notion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► it someone told him about skateboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► once it's like those qualities to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► in the fifties you can't be safe on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► skateboard mr. another in standing on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► little wooden planks fixed wheels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► it's endearing because he writes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► know like it and I don't want him to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► like all I need to immerse myself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► modern culture and so maybe it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► that he sets his book in places we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► either place where it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► like the dark tower where you make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► everything and everything's a mishmash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► of everything anyway or do it in an area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► that you're familiar with or with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► are that are the age you're familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► with so like he probably should not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► write young adults at this point in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► career but he could write a 50-year old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► man pretty darn well I imagine why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► like you get back two characters i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► the idea of Larry Underwood a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► because i like it because the notion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► apocalypse and having to to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► with their brought fall from grace like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► that's a really interesting story i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► would read an update we're like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► the minor Kardashians was left over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► and-and-and trying to make their way out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► of Los Angeles or whatever and imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► the postman it does not to mention tom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► petty as the mayor of the village with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► somewhere and topped it off that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► another life in the sink goes from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► was hilarious i have to see if we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► find anything but lay right at Larry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► underwear i mean i do the end this ghost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► of this goes to the time this goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► the timeframe to his I picture him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► being one of those kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► Harry curly haired singer songwriter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► guys from the lates late seventies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► usually york city of the seventies like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► when he is when he's in his like that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► picture in my head I didn't realize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► until we started talking about the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► period i also didn't know the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► period had been recycled i guess in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► way that bookmark but like at Larry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► scenes i read them as if he's using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► movie in the seventies in New York like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► everything to this tall redhead cliché [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► who make some eggs he's picking up women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► who think he's you ain't no nice guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► and like you just now he's got here he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► spends a lot of time on this is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► guy who was on the just shirt is open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► pretty darn low or and he was with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► eagles in California no question like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► somebody who was like yeah i was on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► trajectory to become you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► featured performer on American Bandstand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► before Dick Clark and the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► planet died from you know cannot do dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► clark's out there somewhere i'm telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► you i late huh yeah maybe he has dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► colors maybe yes the dark man I'm by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► talking dude if that time everyone do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► everything you want what do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► bet the tell ryan seacrest gets all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► jobs that my grandma flag will dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► clark passed on the secret crazy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► happen but like Larry is it as a dude in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► practice i just i have a hard time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► him because I'm I'm like oh my god Larry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► just yeah yeah he's a character that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► also i also kind of grew into a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► bit i really really just got bored with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► historian with skim all of his parts now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► IM to the point where i can i can kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► of understand the the the growth that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► struggling with but it's still just he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► still just seems internally whiny to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► yeah he's like an Apatow bein man baby i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► I was just like a virgin oh yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► externally wanted to but I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► feel for him like when he takes on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► sort of the broken woman reading which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► is a cliche or whatever like that he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► does feels like so before i was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► be singer but now i'm responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► this crazy persons life and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► feel bad when she dies like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► failure of myself and like that's why he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► keeps replaying that the girl telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► him he's not a nice guy it's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► I don't my town is meaningless not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► have to be like a person and I'm not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► he's internally whiny and is externally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► one-e-and like they try to turn him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► around but they never let him get he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► never become stupid read me over like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► well let's hear Larry to face it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► he's like oh come on like the socks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► that don't understand i'm doing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► don't like me and I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► deal with myself and my mom is dead even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► though she complained a lot like he's he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► perspective but i like the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► they never bring him all the way around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► like Larry always kind of stays Larry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► and he's maybe the most realistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► yeah i just want to take Lucy out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► coffee on Lucy girl you could do better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► come on I realized that most the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► has died but there are still dateable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► dudes were not named Larry and he's hung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► up on his ex-girlfriend and she's hung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► up on a Ouija board and you are well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► away from that mess now don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► knock you up because being a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► mother in the after in the after scape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► is no fun all the users guide like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► just need to have that talk with Lucy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and and poor woman you know that poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► we haven't talked about Tom Cullen yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► and i can't get the most interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► thing about Tom Cohen that I like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► this is that they sent him to be a spy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► because that is exactly the kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► yeah we're the good guys but I like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► a terrible thing to do in the end like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► by the time they do it in the book you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► can either be like I'm in the mindset of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► I guess we have to do this because Randy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► flags really bag and listen like wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► second what do you what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► you're gonna do now you could this poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► guys like well we like when everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► but he's really just upon our chess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► board and we here at the Town Council [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► meeting or whatever it is will have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► forget and I mean judge going it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► well he wants to sacrifice himself or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► whatever but sending Tom colleges solo's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► life so like it's so have like yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► so like it he's much older than we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► it's so brutal and terrible and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► fact that all these good people kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► agreed to it and and do it like it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► you that like the rules have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► different shows you the power of cults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► actually because it's the Colton mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► Abigail like old people had desperately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► coalesced around her and she had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► the friendly figured that save them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► the dreams of of Randall Flagg and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► think I do think he stops a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► Stephen King stops a little bit short of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► a really poking that home because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► softens it a little bit with the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► hypnosis has this sort of extra sensory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► power and is able to see things for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► channel smarter there yeah exactly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► it's not quite it's not quite sending a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► mentally challenged man into the fray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► it's a mentally challenged man with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► extra stuff going on so maybe with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► view it like as a strategic advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► it's like a hobby remember just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► since there's a sleeper agent right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► they don't know that it carries moms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► like oh no will no more respect they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► sent the no one will ever suspect this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► old man judge Farris goes that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► work out well for him but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► like that they're playing with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► people's lives like it all it takes is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► group of like you've got this how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► people are in boulder like not a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► hundred thousand or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► deciding the lives of these people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► all right you and your alignment and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► they're willing to do it then I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► but like Tom Cullen is not and that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► the sort of magical retelling if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► think what was it really like they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► basically made this guy go and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► convince themselves that they hypnotized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► him to the point where he can't be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► to pull them right well that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► sure he could talk normally when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► hypnotize him right he was smarter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah that happens he may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► talked about the phases of the Moon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► how beautiful they were it was beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► yeah but like you know anything that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► trip to like he did Stephen King loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► management cool the magical kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► beautiful but but most of the time he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► like I think he respects Tom Collins a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► character but i think when they send him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► it shows that the the values that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► all held there have to be adjusted if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► they're going to survive in this pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► post-apocalyptic world and by that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► well it's a totally Old Testament move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► you know I mean this is the same old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► testament where God ask people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► sacrifice their children and so how is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► sacrificing an adult without a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► different you know I mean that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► the message of this whole book is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► stuff is just gotten all Old Testament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah although King doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► have the heart to kill him in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► and I'll having him come back and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► that the savior for everything I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► is heartwarming made like he spends the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► whole book with the mo own thing in MO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► and you get the big payoff at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► yeah I don't have any leaves and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► it works everything I said this is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► of like puppy and trashy but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► the Nick Andres becomes his Ghost spirit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► guide I I think that's gonna sweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► yeah and you could talk and when in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► visions that like it's what you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► I guess it's necessary but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► kind of BS because one of because Nick's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► deafness was was absolutely integral 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► who he was as a person to you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► had that profound sense of isolation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► that profound observer effect now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► what made him so compelling is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► the guy who very consciously chose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► almost everything that he was or who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► chose to be and he's one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► deliberate deliberate and self-made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► yeah but Tom wishes he could speak and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► perspective on how you know like it its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► stephen king is good at rewarding you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► like that's why he's a million selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► author he's going to give people what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► they wanted he can do you can do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► highs and the lows and happy and sad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► like a lot of it in this book is not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► much fan services like ah right you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► that thing so well we'll take it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► it's it it's nice it's a lot like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► it's a reason he's compared to Dickon so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► much right because he is very you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► Dickens is directed by the word to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► pretty Dickens had that had some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► best names in the business you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► mean he was just a very apt neighbor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► i think that's that Stephen King does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► good job of the names too but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► neither here nor there and share my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► yeah we i'm at the point where I'm off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► I'm off the grid and and I'm i'm asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► for anything you guys want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► that that we haven't talked about before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► the kid is what Stephen King thinks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► cool he drives a car from 1932 has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► leather jacket and then pointed shoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► pointy toed shoes he's got the swept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► hair and he actually refers to him at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► one point as a miniature street punk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► from Hell which is not the best phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► yeah and my argument is that the kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► would work if this was set during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► stephen king's childhood but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► he is played to be ridiculous though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► like he he's mocked by C hit this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► character is marked by the author in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► characterization so what he does I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► think I mean pretty cool death because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► they find him with his hands around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► yeah he's marked by the author but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► author clearly thinks he's the coolest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► this guy in the club was saying but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► I think he's a caricature of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► Stephen King Saul and his youth who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► thought they were cool and Stephen King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► thought they were not as cool as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► actually thought they were and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► I think the holiday with the gun kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► tilted towards John's direction i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► it I think it still would have worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► had been a little bit earlier because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► in the nineties that kind of character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► is so far removed that it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► like this was recently cool it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► is this a thing you know it's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► finally left though he could just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► crazy because like when we see him look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► like he's into ease into whatever brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► of beer he's into and he's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► dressed up like a crazy person it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► you don't know it isn't it almost people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► he might have you might have gone crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► are you guys familiar with the key and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► Peele sketch that takes place after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► apocalypse where you've got one guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► total survival mode and then he runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► into another guy who is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► dressed for like Pride Day and is yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► trippin his balls off the ATM and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► survive it and that basically makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► think of the discussion we're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► that where I think the kid was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► know what there's no one around and I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► free to let my tiny little freak flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► fly and unfortunately trashcan man ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► into him and i think i'm supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► illustrate is that this guy is just he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► literally nobody who's ever kind to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► trashcan man because that's what because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► that's except for Randall Flagg my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► yeah you know and and but but there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► human being that that ever offers this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► fellowship or anything other than B then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► fear and contempt and scorn and she and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► that that is to me what makes the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► came in just such an ultimately pitiable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► tragic figure like he just it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► it's just in just after justice heaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► on this dude and I feel terrible for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► always never before never read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► you know it's it's it just sucks to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► everything about the trashcan man with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► which is what gets me through those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► oh my god especially pleased with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► wolves and he's putting the walls as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► oh yeah tell me where he's like just had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► speaking of which should we should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► mentioned the dog dimension Kojak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► oh right because little doggie dreams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► and exposure can and then he shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► yes because he's been following all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► these dogs just like the incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► journey only the adult version i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► it's interesting how there's the animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► breakdown like the wolves and the crows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► will always be Randall flags and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► cats are just creepy and and the horses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► are all dead and I I'll of humanity's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► best friends or day after I i love how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► to spell that doesn't like what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► pigs are pics morally neutral doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► besides you know I i love that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► medically at all but in such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► touch to say when this flu also kills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► yeah okay dead yeah what else what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► anything I'm baby can you dig your man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► sounds like a terrible song it does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► i'm not i had to feel like maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► why me terrible songs are popular I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► think it's kind of something supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► be like he's not it would never have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► been hit in nineteen he's not Bob Dylan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► right 19 in nineteen eighties like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► marshall crenshaw kind of guy are not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► good and he's got up to just happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► have a hit song but it does it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► very good song now looking at my notes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► want to share probably my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► sentence in the book which is by Dawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► they were running east across Nevada and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► Charlie was coughing steadily oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► that whole first chapter i really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► it i like that seeing kind of like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► not a big character he dies pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► quickly right but he's just at his desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► the alarm goes off and the door just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► close i don't know sometimes the doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► and close maybe close the millisecond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► after you got through I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► alarm door didn't close and he makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► split-second decision which is to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► out of there anyway cuz family and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► that when you repeatedly read it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► know what is happening during those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► sequences you're like don't go back home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► you just killed your entire you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► it kills everybody where we go daddy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► was a sleepin how I wrote that now too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► no no one that's and that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► that gets you into this but what a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► way to get into this book is with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► you know increasing you know what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► book is about you know it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► disastrous but to watch it happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► step-by-step is fascinating and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► what gets you in and then you're done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► you're trapped in the vortex and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► 2,000 pages later you've read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► again so uh we're about done anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► that we have not talked about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► somebody wants to throw out before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► how about this sentence the world he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► thought not according to GARP but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► yeah oh that was really wow this here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► a nightmare for wild about 1,200 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► you're gonna get a few clunkers wow wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► well you know Larry Underwood is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► singer in a world where AHA has hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► charts with take on me that's all I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► the world changed after that day I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► alright we have come to the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► battle between good and evil has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► flawed and John has been defeated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► wait a second I wasn't involved that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► off someplace else I didn't go to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► boulder looks awful go to San Diego yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► that's that's why it gets colder in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► winter don't go there on that no we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► really gonna break break away and plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► our post-apocalypse plants again until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► then i would like to thank my guests for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► surviving past the super flu and joining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► me to talk about this really fun classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► book that we've all read multiple times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► Lisa Schmeisser thank you pleasure as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► always thank you but Monty actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► I'm a righteous man wonder when you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► Erica and sign thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► thank you and thank you for inspiring me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► to read this yet again it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► all right get it great great trips to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► the Capitol thinking on some great trips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► John Syracuse to thank you so much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► life was such a wheel that no podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► could stand upon it for long Jason deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► em oon that spells goodnight everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► what do you guys want to live in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► post captain tripps world or widget or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► are you to point your life and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► I hope I like one of the first ones out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► the door because my answer has changed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► different place in my life you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► i find it interesting to to to walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► myself through a different apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► scenarios and be like is this one I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► want to be alive in her or no I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► like I've spent enough of my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► post-apocalyptic scenario that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► be a shame not to give it a try haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► what would you do what would you do here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► well if it's a case like this where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► immediate threat like zombies or aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► or something then I think I would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► try to set up a the life of a hermit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► like find a place that has food enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► until i'm going to die naturally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► then collect all the books i can and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► time enough at last I'm going to laugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► well what would you need you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► have it that's fine except you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► bring enough technology and non hermit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► type stuff so you can offer yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► when it turns out you have some terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► disease is going to make you die in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► agony and is what I think about in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► post apocalypse is like alright so first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► I have my full family has to be dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► because i don't want them to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► pot clips and that's just bad and trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► to defend them from the other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► with guns and everything so assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► everyone's that except for me my family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► happened to die i don't want that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► happen but if it did you see in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► world you cannot wait is that what lexus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► kids probably right exactly you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► what I think about mostly is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► comfort that we're all used to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► being the right temperature not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► rain on you or whatever and it's not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► hard to get that comfort for yourself if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► nothing is destroyed and there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► marauding thread or anything because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► can pick kind of the nicest place you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► have whatever you have to sort of have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► all these contingency plans for like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► need one of each of one of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► i need all these things lined up i need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► i need to have the ability to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► myself if when i get older injured sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► of on me at all times because the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► thing you want to happen is for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► fall and break your leg and not be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► to walk home and getting too cold and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► your you get you know back in Arabic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► impossible when there's nobody around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► you have to be prepared for those kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► of the astronauts with a little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► they're prepared it you know well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► looks like you're gonna die a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► do you have a source of everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► I don't know what they tell you in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► post-apocalyptic world you would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► account for all those things so so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► Monty the key is in your cave where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► live as a hermit you're with all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► books your library cave having I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► castle have yes i have a space heater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► yeah and and some means of offing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► yourself like I'm going to eat that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► just like in your kitchen because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► have to deal with like fresh water and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► food like you'd have to develop a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► where you can live in some reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► amount of comfort otherwise you spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► all your time like looking for food and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► making sure you survive the winter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► oh yeah I don't want a post-apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► where I have to go camping all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► no that's yeah yeah i just recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► moved to a new city so all of my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► apocalypse plans are completely out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► window and I'm really have a rebuild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► so I had had actually gotten to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► point where i have figured out what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► would do you know well post-apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► however i have sort of thought of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► the short-term things and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► how I could use Lego to build some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► contractions to collect rainwater off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► I'm just think that you should broaden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► your horizons because the world is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► oyster like I you should go to a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► where you could never afford to live a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► beautiful place with natural beauty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► natural resources where someone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► already built a multimillion-dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► complex with lovely views like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► your opportunity now the whole world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► yours i guess i was thinking of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► having to hide in the apartment because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► there's always put a damper on they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► a damper on things and then not more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► than be told some B's some B's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► factored into it i don't like zombies it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► suitors and rapists with a school bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► yeah dude let's be the left-field the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► post-apocalyptic scenario for a woman is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► a whole lot different than one for a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► I feel what I'm thinking like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► enough people would be dead that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► could realistically not expect to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► another person like this understand they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► don't see a lot of other people i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► you said Jason just did the math and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► seems like they should be way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► people but i'm thinking of a stand like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► Apocalypse where it's like two is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► threes bump into each other and arrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► like a group of 20 and that's a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► yeah you could you could you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► could realistically just the place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► you want to let your children 19 other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► people just sounds like a nightmare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► yeah that's what I don't go to boulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► like yeah they in the Hamptons it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► nice to have probably i would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► try to move south you know it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► cold up here from you after the year i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► yeah i would recommend i would recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► against having a summer home in a winter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► home even though it seems like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► thing you want to do because traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► like they might run into someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► and if you do run into someone else it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► probably not going to be good also until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► you learn to read the weather you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► get caught out in early winter or yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► have adequate food stores especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► you have to do an agriculture I was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► traumatized by the road and so and so at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► this point I'm not sure I'd want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► survive any apocalypse just because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► seems like it would be so FA miserable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► mean you have no note no indoor plumbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► which is kind of a deal killer for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► and if I had no god forbid I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► take care of somebody else and but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► the other hand is the crippling grief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► from losing everyone I love and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► the stands though the stand this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► clean apocalypse where it's not quite so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► bad because uh you know the babies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► babies live apparently right and we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► gone down to a very small population but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► a small populations much more tenable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► manageable than the one you two million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► people in the US you can you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► something with that so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► society will rebuild and that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► there will be structure and there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► future whereas in something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► road literally you're just waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► yeah like I said don't think anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► would clearly traumatized me about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► which is how vulnerable you are when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► have somebody else you're responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► for and so I think if you're 13 and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► survived the apocalypse then by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► grab your boat sale of the Atlantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► coast dock in the Potomac River and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► live in the Smithsonian you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► plan works but I mean now again like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► said either i'd be holy crap I've lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► my entire family or I'd be paralyzed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► responsible for you know keeping a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► preschooler alive in the after escaping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► thanks to seem awful i also washington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► well you don't have air-conditioning I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► didn't have a lot of things a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► that's what you and you have to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► electricity back up my mom did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► believe in her condition growing up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► my knees and my reasoning was that if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► went to the Smithsonian they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► had backup generators for all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► archival quality effects they had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► basements made of marble where you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► you could comfortably sleep and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► could spend my days reading everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► wanted to or dressing up in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► lady's outfits or replace the dinosaur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► bones or whatever it is I want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► was 13 because I'm yeah well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► having DC is your own playground imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► you could go play basketball on the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► floor of the Supreme Court the highest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► court in the land way did didn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► didn't Randall Flagg effectively new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► court torch the entire west coast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► because there's like there's one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► there about what he did to San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► well you know it's there's probably lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► Francisco would actually be great place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► to write out the apocalypse like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► weather is really good there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► arable land people probably have victory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► yeah that's good free-range vegetarians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► to prey on when you want to resort to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZpI944/5164">TS</a>]