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214: Fun is Underrated

 

00:00:02   the incomparable number 214 October 2014 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2">TS</a>]

00:00:09   welcome back everybody to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/9">TS</a>]

00:00:12   uncomfortable i'm your host Jason still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/12">TS</a>]

00:00:13   it is an addition of our book club so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/13">TS</a>]

00:00:18   have called some readers together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/18">TS</a>]

00:00:20   what we're going to be talking about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   this episode is a series of books with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/22">TS</a>]

00:00:25   some light spoilers but we are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/25">TS</a>]

00:00:26   blow the spoiler horn and then we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/26">TS</a>]

00:00:29   tell you when you can come back later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/29">TS</a>]

00:00:31   late to find out what we're reading but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   a series of books they're currently four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   novels in this series the the series is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/35">TS</a>]

00:00:38   called the expanse the author is James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   sa Corey who is not a person because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42   it's actually two guys Daniel Abraham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   anti-french the protomolecule he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   saying that it's not really no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   oh and the the novels are Leviathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/49">TS</a>]

00:00:52   wakes caliban's war avignon skate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   cebolla burn some of us have read all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57   them some of some red sort of one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00   them and one ish and in between so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/60">TS</a>]

00:01:06   guess I mean between i read three plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/66">TS</a>]

00:01:08   of them i'm reading the fourth one now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/68">TS</a>]

00:01:09   anyway I really fun series we recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   it highly we'll talk about it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   bit before we blow the spoiler horn off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   and joining me when I say we I mean Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/76">TS</a>]

00:01:20   Moore and welcome back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/80">TS</a>]

00:01:22   dan I'm back it's so good to be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   yes I i mean i'm on a podcast with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   every week but not these turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   uncomfortable back here yes it's good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/89">TS</a>]

00:01:30   have you back here back among friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   yes exactly not like wait a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   you're not like that other 1i I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/94">TS</a>]

00:01:37   that my podcast I constantly try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   usurped alright fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   good point David lower as well hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   hello there and of course it would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/103">TS</a>]

00:01:47   be a book club episode except for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48   ones we do about Stephen King novels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   things without Scott multi hello or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/110">TS</a>]

00:01:53   harry potter or in the direction it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   would not be perfect but i don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   consider those real book club episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   because they don't feature Scott McNulty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   well that's what those are booked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/121">TS</a>]

00:02:02   episodes not really properly in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   club do any episodes feature Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/124">TS</a>]

00:02:07   McNulty I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08   I know although they might listen to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   talk and talk and talk on your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   random track podcast and I think why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   doesn't he speak on the incompetent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16   lemme answer is he feels no need it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/136">TS</a>]

00:02:19   going fine I'll just sit here and enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   your listening to the podcast I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   speak the only two people on that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   guests so if i don't see you and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   the whole of it that would be a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/147">TS</a>]

00:02:28   podcast by the way if you just invited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   somebody on and then didn't say ne [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   welcome to see the latest episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/152">TS</a>]

00:02:33   silence with Scott me tell me where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/153">TS</a>]

00:02:36   sit quietly for 45 minutes and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   about what we've done be an easy edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   that would be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/160">TS</a>]

00:02:44   so the experience I you know this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   really interesting series in that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   it has already been picked up as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   10-episode season on the SyFy channel so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/171">TS</a>]

00:02:56   this as the expanse not as Leviathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/176">TS</a>]

00:03:00   wakes and we talked if that entitle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/180">TS</a>]

00:03:03   sounds familiar episode 96 of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05   incomparable space fedora which was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   2012 Hugo or dominis included Leviathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10   wakes which was nominated for the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   this is a this is a would-be faith fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/192">TS</a>]

00:03:16   to call this a space opera kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   series do you think i give it an excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   that you know I i was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/201">TS</a>]

00:03:25   this is I've been reading them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   generally when I think space opera I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/207">TS</a>]

00:03:31   think sweeping galactic adventures not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/211">TS</a>]

00:03:35   to spoil anything so I want any but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   the bulk of these happen within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   solar system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/219">TS</a>]

00:03:40   yeah but there's a lot of moving around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/220">TS</a>]

00:03:41   a lot of plants are involved so I was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   was trying to think of what it I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/224">TS</a>]

00:03:45   it's certainly space opera like solar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   system holiday ask can we call the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   operetta I like it that sauce that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   much for just the planet I space i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   i think solar system opera perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   because it is it the idea here is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   people are going you know between Mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   and Earth and the outer planets and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   moons of jupiter and saturn and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/244">TS</a>]

00:04:05   asteroid belt and they've got different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   spaceships and they're different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   factions and and that's from the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/249">TS</a>]

00:04:12   beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/252">TS</a>]

00:04:13   that's the setting of of these novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   and and so it's not quite super wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/255">TS</a>]

00:04:18   screen of we walking but you know across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   the entire galaxy but definitely it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/260">TS</a>]

00:04:23   it's got the it's got that though if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   keep in mind that the name of the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   the expanse yeah it makes you wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   night you might think that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   need that blends pulls back at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   point we'll we'll we'll get to that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   that's actually one of the interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/277">TS</a>]

00:04:38   things about the construction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/278">TS</a>]

00:04:40   series is a series so the story is Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/280">TS</a>]

00:04:43   my to dan did you read Leviathan wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   for that part for that podcast i did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   i read it later on i read a month or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/287">TS</a>]

00:04:50   ago so we read that for that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   that because it was a hugo nominee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   it was good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/294">TS</a>]

00:04:55   it's a good book i didn't quite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58   perspective i have on it now is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   different because now I think of it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/300">TS</a>]

00:05:01   like the first season or whatever of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/301">TS</a>]

00:05:04   this you know that this book series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   which is every June it seems these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/306">TS</a>]

00:05:09   put out a new book in this series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   they seem fairly maybe they're wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   yeah well it takes two guys to write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   book this long at once a year but I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/316">TS</a>]

00:05:19   that about it and it and now having read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22   three and a half of them it is it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   series so you can jump in with Leviathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   wakes and I just my opinion of it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   changed now that I realized what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/329">TS</a>]

00:05:30   reading what sort of started this larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   epic instead of the sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/332">TS</a>]

00:05:36   science fiction novel that I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   was that was smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   I'm not small scale but not quite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   same as being part of a giant series so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   i guess i don't remember from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   episode and remember folks on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   episode what people thought of it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   there anything you say it was ok for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   you were not so that's good you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   like you don't remember I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/355">TS</a>]

00:05:56   any pockets on either so you're enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/356">TS</a>]

00:05:59   so I mean did you said it was ok but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02   didn't see i loved it i thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   the best book I've read in knots in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/364">TS</a>]

00:06:07   i will take an unpopular position right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   now and say that I enjoyed it much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   than I enjoyed ancillary justice which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   know everybody all out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/373">TS</a>]

00:06:14   wow it was nice talking too much you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/374">TS</a>]

00:06:20   need to get out of the house more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   Scott Scott is not wrong often but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   know it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/384">TS</a>]

00:06:25   no it no don't say that it doesn't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/385">TS</a>]

00:06:29   have that like I just I'm just enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   this too much I didn't even think ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   with the clients and wakes was the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   of the hugo nominated well well among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   others was in that guy group and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/398">TS</a>]

00:06:41   that was the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/401">TS</a>]

00:06:42   them but Leviathan wakes was good that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/402">TS</a>]

00:06:46   i like that in fact I I think maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   voted like 2nd and 3rd but it is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/408">TS</a>]

00:06:52   and no space for that the clever thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   about Leviathan wakes and actually damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/414">TS</a>]

00:06:55   one of the reasons i bet you like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/415">TS</a>]

00:06:58   one of the characters one of the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   characters that is in Leviathan wakes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   this a detective with a hat space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/422">TS</a>]

00:07:06   detective with his baby dora does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/426">TS</a>]

00:07:09   hat and I know you like that kind of nor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   detective things and this is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/431">TS</a>]

00:07:12   space noir detective story there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   girl she's missing detective Miller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17   needs to find her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/437">TS</a>]

00:07:18   of course there in the outer planets but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   uh but you've got that she's shooters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   she's a rich girl but she's gone missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   and and they don't really know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/444">TS</a>]

00:07:25   going on there and then meanwhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/445">TS</a>]

00:07:26   there's this uh this pilot who's who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/446">TS</a>]

00:07:29   whoo he and his crew have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   set of adventures and they kind of go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32   back and forth and in your messages over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35   time the stories come to ya-ya the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   politics of this of the setting and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   this book are fascinating to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   you've got these is a multipolar solar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   system you've got Earth and Mars and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   outer planets who are trying to exert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   themselves as independent as well and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50   you've got that as the backdrop and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53   you've got these individual people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/473">TS</a>]

00:07:54   are just like trying to get get on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   do their jobs whether onna on a colony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/476">TS</a>]

00:07:59   or they're flying a ship and then of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   course what happens in Leviathan wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   is that something something crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   happens that is you know is it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   alien it's unknown there's kind of a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/487">TS</a>]

00:08:11   know a discovery that's made about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   know without spoiling it too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   something you know state they discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/495">TS</a>]

00:08:16   something crazy and that leads to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   whole bunch of other complications on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   top of it it and in some ways to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   anyways that too is like the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   compelling part of the story like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   gets interesting and it is a catalyst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   but i think the things that i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   enjoyed about this the first book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   about the series in general are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   depictions of the politics like they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/514">TS</a>]

00:08:37   a very very good job of spelling out why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   all these different factions believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   things they do and how they come into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   conflict and what happens when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   bounce off each other and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   importantly of all the characters which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   to me felt like people rather than so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/529">TS</a>]

00:08:53   many science fiction books I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   read where the characters especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   with this current fascination of science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   fiction books that takes place so far in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   the future that people are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   unrecognizable as people and i find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/541">TS</a>]

00:09:04   out for have a hard time relating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/544">TS</a>]

00:09:05   those whereas these get they talk like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   people they talk like you know ordinary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   folks they have motivations that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   recognizable it's not all just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/551">TS</a>]

00:09:14   talking about the unity of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/554">TS</a>]

00:09:17   fascinating bogged down in the science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   fictiony details of it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   so i found that to be a really enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   experience but Miller is nor I mean he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   isn't nor detective he just got just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   with a girl it is he's a recognizable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   character not only as a as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   twentieth-century in fact character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   trope but also as a character with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   motivations of his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/576">TS</a>]

00:09:37   well I'm Jim Holden is a paladin if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   wanted not here's a do-gooder he is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/579">TS</a>]

00:09:43   kind of thought of him as like a James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   Kirk yeah yeah it'll be even more he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/585">TS</a>]

00:09:50   even more moral in some ways than Kirk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   right like he has it really is the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   is lawful good you know he's got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55   whole thing was like I'm just gonna tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   everybody everything and i'm going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/597">TS</a>]

00:10:00   like totally painfully good about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   things and it does make him a rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/602">TS</a>]

00:10:03   simplistic character times but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05   really dive into that subsequently in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   terms of how he acts which i find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/609">TS</a>]

00:10:10   yeah I was gonna say i really like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   it that it is that sort of blend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/612">TS</a>]

00:10:15   these very familiar kind of things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   Star Trek and war and and or even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   James Kirk as if he were in firefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/621">TS</a>]

00:10:24   almost writes a little more beaten up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/624">TS</a>]

00:10:27   right but i like that it that it sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/627">TS</a>]

00:10:31   spun off from there and became its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   thing and you know when when space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/633">TS</a>]

00:10:38   fedora you know I listen to that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/638">TS</a>]

00:10:41   know and at that point I was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/641">TS</a>]

00:10:42   burned down on syfy because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   there's a long stretch where I just read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   so much and I was just tired of it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   more sci-fi and so I didn't you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/649">TS</a>]

00:10:52   listen to it to all the podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   didn't pick up any the box Mikey so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/654">TS</a>]

00:10:57   I picked this up i really liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/657">TS</a>]

00:11:01   world-building of it too is it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/661">TS</a>]

00:11:05   fascinating and and it feels lived-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   the way a lot of sci-fi doesn't these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/668">TS</a>]

00:11:13   days you know they've clearly put a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   of thought into what it would be like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   this place in this place in this place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   in this place and how the people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   reacting and how they've changed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   being so far apart i really enjoy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/684">TS</a>]

00:11:28   so you know yes I've read the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/688">TS</a>]

00:11:31   I'm going to keep reading them all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/691">TS</a>]

00:11:32   away it its it's funny i read the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/692">TS</a>]

00:11:35   one liked it and knew that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   discovered that it was a series and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   thought well I'll get back to that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/699">TS</a>]

00:11:40   then like this last I don't know three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   months ago or something I thought oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/703">TS</a>]

00:11:44   that this thing got picked up as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   series i like that book let's let's uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   let's read on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50   well but but if at the time you only had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/710">TS</a>]

00:11:53   the one book to go on that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   whereas i'm coming to it with ya there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   three more books there's two developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   and there's a series i think there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/719">TS</a>]

00:12:00   second book just out when we recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   that episode and ok you know and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   actually get one of the perils of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   a Huguenot nominee reader is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   booked one of a series gets nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   you wait for the next year's nominees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   assuming that you'll read it then and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   didn't get nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/735">TS</a>]

00:12:16   so I I sort of lost track of it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   little while that's like secrets of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   people who who follow these nominees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   list surround is sometimes you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   yeah it'll get nominated next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   like I'm not going to rush out and buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27   the next mirror grant book because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   just gonna get nominated next year and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   can't really decide if the only reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   that I'm not buying the experience yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   that's it that's the only race right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   I you know maybe Erika can give us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/757">TS</a>]

00:12:38   letter us her copy i did buy a copy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/758">TS</a>]

00:12:45   the second book caliban's war is at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/765">TS</a>]

00:12:46   second yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/766">TS</a>]

00:12:47   yes uh but i just sent myself because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/767">TS</a>]

00:12:51   mean I like the first book don't get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/771">TS</a>]

00:12:52   wrong i think it's it was a lot of fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/772">TS</a>]

00:12:54   and I enjoyed it and I certainly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   read more but I have a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   stuff that ring so it just wasn't on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   list and then jason said hey let's do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   pocket about it so I took it down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   read it and then I immediately read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   first one and then everything you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   the fourth one and then I was like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   sometimes Novelis I read all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12   neuro so this is a this is a big it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   compelling narrative right leg and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   is a thing but like I read the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/797">TS</a>]

00:13:18   book was on vacation and I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/798">TS</a>]

00:13:21   another thing that this that this series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   has going for it that I don't get five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   feel like the last science fiction these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   days is it's funny I was sitting on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/807">TS</a>]

00:13:31   dock reading it and laughing out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/811">TS</a>]

00:13:32   yeah just pretty rare for uh for a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/812">TS</a>]

00:13:35   to get me this especially one that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   not like a you know humor book like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   terry pratchett or something but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   dialogue is sharp and very very funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   and the characters are drawn in such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   way that you find a kind of delightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/826">TS</a>]

00:13:49   when they act exactly the way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   expect them to do because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   you've been you know taught to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54   with these characters so I it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/834">TS</a>]

00:13:57   clever and well done the construction of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   this knowing that it's a series now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   think about this a little bit more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/841">TS</a>]

00:14:02   and these guys I mean one of these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   is is George RR Martin's like assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/844">TS</a>]

00:14:07   or something and actually that's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   because I learned something about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   about the business I think has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   connections and then they did they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   this this TV series III thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   myself while reading the next two books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/857">TS</a>]

00:14:20   that's really smart this is the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   do a TV series is you have this you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/862">TS</a>]

00:14:25   this lived in world you've got these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   stories that are coming at a at a one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   book a year pace which is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31   perfect and as I read the other books i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/871">TS</a>]

00:14:34   kept thinking yes this makes sense this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/874">TS</a>]

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00:21:26   trying to inject a horror element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:29   everywhere like they you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   they're very specifically trying to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:34   create a sort of alien scary feel from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   this stuff but I'll that turned me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   around a little bit when I went because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   the first books the use of zombies I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   like yeah okay and it's all about how in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   book two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:45   it's all about how people are turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   that to certain ends right into it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50   less about what the alien protomolecule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   is doing then how all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   power bases are are trying to react to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:59   the fact that this thing exists it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   out book 2 and at the very end of book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02   one that a lot of the badness that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   happened is because people have screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   things up and not because there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   alien protomolecule that's doing weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   things it is doing weird things but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:14   people are the ones committing crimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   are rounded right which I i really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:19   that too and and I like to pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   politics and book to looking at us are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24   all is a balance of power you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   not just between Earth and Mars and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   outer belt but inside earth politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:32   where she's sort of like put in jeopardy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   at several points by aspects who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:37   who want to blow things up instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:40   instead of kind of taking care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:43   humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:44   yeah it's a very recognizable sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:45   power corrupts you know high-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   political machinations you know it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   think again the thing that the resonates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   for me is you know a lot of these a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   of science fiction books right now are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:56   dealing with this question of like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58   what does it mean to be human like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   especially in you know as technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   progresses you know people focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   this whole idea of the singularity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   stuff like that and I think what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:07   really love about these books is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   they sort of conform to my belief which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   is like people are always going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   kind of inescapably people and in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:16   the good and bad that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   means you know there they don't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20   that much we're not that different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   we you know then we've been for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   several millennia and I think to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   that's what's really interesting about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   these books is all of these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   recognizable because even if we've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:33   know gotten to other planets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:34   colonize asteroid belts and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   that people are still gonna have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   same petty power squabble that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:39   always had and they're going to act and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41   recognizably human ways right right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:44   agree one of the shocking things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:47   happens in book one is that one of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   two protagonists does get killed Miller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:54   doesn't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   holden holden survives the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59   idealistic annoying kind of ruins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:02   everything by being so honest kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   guy which is which is delightful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   they get their spaceship and he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   his girlfriend who's been his first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   officer all along and that that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   that's a nice thing but i always look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   preferred Miller to holden and the irony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   is that holding his and his crew are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   ones we follow and Miller Miller guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   the first book but I you know but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   still i like i like having that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:27   guts to say I'm gonna kill off one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:30   main characters in this book especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:31   since it's a series as it turns out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   I just like George erm yeah look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:36   they learned so many lessons you say i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:39   really i really enjoy a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   secondary characters and some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:42   you get very attached to my you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   really my other favorite favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   character is a messy Asher course course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:49   and he's just he's just yeah another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   another great drawn character who could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   have been very clichéd and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   stereotypical but they sort of embraces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:58   it in a way that makes it work you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01   he starts officer this big block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   mechanic guy and as the as the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   develops you realize well he's also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:08   like a really really exceptionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   brutal thong but a lovable one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   heart of gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:14   he's a level sociopath yeah and but one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   of the one of the novellas is called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   turn and it tells his story first to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:22   he goes out into space so sorry I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   of like that i didn't know his story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:27   because it made him kind of mysterious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   because they kind of there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   allegiance and remarks throughout the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   the series but the story later that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   you so if you want to know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   really nice turn seen in the third book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   where they he's protecting another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:45   character and she's you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   they're all in trouble and they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   to be attacked by other people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   coming for them with weapons and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   serious tense standoff and he she did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:58   and she's a minister right and he he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:01   doesn't she doesn't know what to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:02   of him because he is this big kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:05   brutal guy and they end up actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   having some kind of really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   conversation really nice relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:10   where you know he he basically says i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:14   will i will make sure that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:15   hurt you and something might happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   me I don't know but I'm going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   sure that your you are safe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:22   protected and that is that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   character in a nutshell right which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   he is brutal and violent but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:29   don't want to say like with a heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   gold but that's essentially yet he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   like he's a good he's he's a brutal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   violent guy but he's our brutal violent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   guy he's one of the good guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   he has a loyalty he has yeah right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:42   know i see thats man silent mode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   Madagascar dexter and and there i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:48   there are scenes that you know again we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   find out the spoiler home but there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:51   i think it's in book two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   there's a scene where he gets shot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:55   in the head that's a brief sort of scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:58   where I remember reading The Rock like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   your involuntary gasp be like no don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   kill Amos he's great and then of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   it turns out like you know he's wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   a helmet you know we got smart because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   he's smart he's that but like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:09   holster that he's got a whole sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   indestructible or around you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   some ways but not these like you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   doesn't get that crap kicked out of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   walked so David how do you want to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   pump stick your fingers in your ears and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   home for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   no I'm i have i've read up on the shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:28   of the Lord so I'm don't know okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31   Miller similar dies and and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:32   things I really like in book two and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   told i told my wife this was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35   70-percent through I said you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   really series and they move on and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:40   if there's some new characters in common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   they don't like talk about they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   spend time going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:44   like a yeah I remember him while he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   dead that's too bad they invited like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   just move on and you very rarely have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   people like even and even in Game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   Thrones they don't do this they don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   like let's sit and remember how great a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   guy Ned Stark was right no he's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58   we've moved on spoiling for Game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   Thrones by the way what are you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   pay attention am I and uh I so i said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:06   said to her i said to Lauren I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   like that they keep managing on Miller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   that bastard you know he did this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   wish Miller we're here to ask in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13   thing and the whole time I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   that's actually kind of cool i haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18   seen a book do that because he's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:19   and then the very last seen on the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   last page of that book Miller appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   and and says to hold in ya back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:29   fuck what yeah that is well that's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:34   that is a great woman moment and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:37   definitely laughed and thomas jane is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   playing Miller in the series and I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   thinking are they debated the cast him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   and take a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:44   you're gonna be in season one we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   gonna kill you you're going to not be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   most of season two but then you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:48   to be back for the rest here although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   it's just metres you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:51   he seems way too young and way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   handsome to play Miller based on like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   way out here but it's TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   well put a hand on him quite quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:58   honestly and he said he's a he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   belter so he's supposedly got like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   head and all that which you know for TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:03   that's just going to be regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:04   idea i don't know about you I just cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   are our former colleague Dan Miller is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   Miller honest haha older ladies are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:13   he's gonna have he's gonna get heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   I don't see you he's I'd watch that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   at the end Miller is his Miller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:20   detective Dan Miller so I that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   who nobody knows Dan except for us but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   yeah I I cast him i just decided he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   gonna pick some cherries were detected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   business but but he's weak comes back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   and that that blew me away and and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   the second book we realize that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   protomolecule is doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:35   interesting on Venus and it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:39   becomes clear by the end of that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   that we've sort of just gotten in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   way of machine a molecular machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:46   is doing something an alien machine is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   doing something that we just don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:49   know what it is and people are officer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   all again great character the whole book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:55   she's basically thinking okay there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   two things going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:58   that I have to balance one is we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   lots of politics that could be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01   important and two is theirs in giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:04   alien machine down under the clouds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   Venus that could be building something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07   that will kill us all and I i got think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   about that a little bit or try not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   think about it and i really liked that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   too that there's that like the stuff we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:14   can control as humans and and also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:17   feeling that we may be in deep trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:20   very much like Game of Thrones actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:21   with the others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:22   it's a are the White Walkers if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:25   you to do me a looming it's like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   a looming threat to all humanity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   your humanity still squabbling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:30   within itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   yeah like yeah thanks what else at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:37   other any of things about the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:38   book of us are Allah is such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   character that and the enemy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   marine who's my name Bobby paper Bobby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:45   those are my two favorite characters so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   great are also really good yeah I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48   her too and I was said that they were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   the next book that is my second I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   that the second book is my favorite of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:54   the series I just I really like I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   with that I i like the other 2i like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:58   rest of them too but i think the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   book doesn't particularly stand out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:01   me because I mean it tells the most into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   the politics aspect and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   where this series is at its strongest is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:09   what it's doing sort of the political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:10   intrigue thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:11   yeah I'll ok so the third book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:16   Abaddon is gate which I which are also i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:19   mean i like all these books this one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   got a different feeling because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   Jim Holden is now being like haunted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:26   by Miller and what we realize is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:30   that this what is it like blue firefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:34   glow which is like the hint of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37   protomolecule that that whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   alien creature is or alien machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:44   is that it has has gone down to Venus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:48   and built this ring and set it outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   of Neptune's orbit or Uranus or but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:54   guess is a trying to communicate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:58   him for some reason except through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   Miller and and you don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03   whether Holden is just totally crazy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:04   mean you get the sense that he come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   he's not really crazy the blue glow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:07   means something there's aliens at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   here but it holds on enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   just to make you wonder if maybe he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   just actually crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:14   I it is a complicated situation and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:19   is it gets interesting because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   as you see the development of this piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   of alien machinery and it becomes clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:25   that the the whole this is the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:28   purpose is like the endgame in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   now at the end I middle game of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32   protomolecule is is building something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   which turns out to be getting as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:37   book's title might suggest yeah it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:40   out to be this this ring that goes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   somewhere else and it's like a Stargate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   basically and where it goes is to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:48   the lobby of the galaxy which is a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:53   bunch of rings all of them off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:56   strangely and a space station which will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1976">TS</a>]

00:33:00   end and that's so so much of this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   is surprisingly we talk about books in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   the same series with the same characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05   feeling totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   Abaddon's gate it is small in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10   that uh that the previous book caliban's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:14   war is big cabins words about ships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   going into and out of the inner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   outer solar system and transferring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   people from here there and like big like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   chess moves on a solar system scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   heaven's gate is about people in close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   quarters because in the gate lobby area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:28   there's a speed limit you can't go very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:31   everybody is sort of like limited with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:34   what they can do a lot of it takes place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:35   on one giant but one spaceship and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:38   about people in corridors fighting room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   to room and then Jim Holden separately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:44   goes to the space station and has like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   his own personal end of 2001 moment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:51   an extended period of time where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   trying to communicate with the alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   whatever it is and yet this is the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:58   that I thought it is kind of it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2038">TS</a>]

00:33:59   smaller story but it is the book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   transforms into a space opera because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   now they have giant alien artifact ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   doing who-knows-what and there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   trying to figure out this plus dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   with all the squabbling because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:11   still don't stop squabbling even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   they you know they go through this don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   know where they are they go through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:16   ring everybody they don't want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19   through the ring but the beginning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:20   a little kid stupidly did ruin video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   ruins it creates his own spaceship but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:26   slingshots himself through and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:27   everybody all hell breaks loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   yeah i thought was fascinating how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   kind of turned the tone is the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   the the setting and kind of it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   expands the setting and this this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   book where you're like oh IC turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   now that we're in book 3 what we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44   actually been looking at is the setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47   for Humanity being able to have access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:50   to this wider wider universe but wider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:54   set of galaxies and Eric hour or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:57   solar systems within our galaxy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   you know obviously they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   able to turn on these rings and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   a new moment where we're holding kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:06   communes with the intelligence that runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   which is it is never said to be an alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11   it's like a machine intelligence that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12   that has been the caretaker of the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15   station and this this transfer point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   this this Lobby and it's basically ATM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:21   in the galaxies lobby and you playback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:25   what's happened and that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:28   I mean talk about space off right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:29   the moment of grand galaxy-spanning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   civilization built this entire thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:34   then there's a mysterious other force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   that attacks it and it you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:40   civilization falls and they close off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   all the gates and that's just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   that tidbit they're like wow what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   happened we're late to the party here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:48   that the z3 there's any even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   ominous threat that killed off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   ominous threat yes desolation which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:56   nice moment I mean it reminded me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   some of the stuff and if anybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   played the game mass effect has a has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   sort of a similar galaxy-spanning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   know threat approach in there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   really dug that I dug that the I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:10   it's incredibly clever the way they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12   up with how this you know how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:13   machine deals with threats are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:17   that perceives as threats for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   this whole deal with like when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   inside the gate in the lobby and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:24   just decides not nothing can move faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   than like 30 miles an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   yeah and all the sudden everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   is moving faster and all that stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   all those ships are moving faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:33   because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:34   it's space that's one does just grind to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   a halt and it really like kills people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   and like but like not in a way that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:42   malicious just in a way that's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   yeah you are all going too fast now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   I thought that the changing of physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:48   and stuff like that as a defense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   mechanism i thought was incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   clever and I i really enjoyed that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:56   enjoyed that even you know I sort of to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   get back to the point about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   characters acting very human even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   the antagonists in that book are acting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:07   in a way that is somewhat believable you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:10   know out of fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:11   essentially what is your there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:12   of antagonism from all of many of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   books where the bad guys are essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   people who just have a difference of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   opinion there's a classic a classic like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:23   wanting to be wanting to be worldly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:28   wanting to turn in on yourself and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31   isolationist in that moment that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:34   where it's like we've been we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   shown the possibility of the galaxy all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39   these gates that maybe we could open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   travel elsewhere and some people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43   like oh cool let's do that and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   people like no no burn it with fire run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   get out get out and that you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:50   because they're both motivated by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   same set of I mean the same set of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   is there and some of them are motivated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   in a very different way than others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:57   unless you have some of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   are interested about you know going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:00   through others are worried more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   what can come through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:03   yes and I got that is your practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   practical concerns you know it'sit's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:09   then holding just opens them anyway so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   guess this is what he that's what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   does but it's interesting because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:16   never always there's a lot of here both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   other characters and never to the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   that often considers maybe that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   actually the best approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   alright in particular you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   Vassar Allah has a whole thing with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   where it's just like I just can't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:30   everybody everything how this is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:31   really really don't and that's one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34   favorite moments all the books which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   just like you're an idiot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   yep but you know and and bad stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   happens often when he makes the music he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:44   starts like three wars within the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:46   yeah yeah he's yeah at times he reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:52   me of Captain Kirk at times he reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:53   me of Malcolm Reynolds from from firefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:56   where he's yeah he's a he's a good guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   but uh sometimes he does stuff it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   was good why doing that he's good to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:05   point of naivete almost except he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:08   kind of savvy you know like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   generally indications that he is he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:13   smart and knows you know what he's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   but at the same time he's a blunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   instrument right like yeah that's he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   kind of you know everything looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   nail to him and I think I think maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   philosophically he also believes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   that everything is a nail in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   yeah and then and then it so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   he realizes that it's messy but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   doesn't really believe that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:36   not the right thing to do even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   even if it's messy there there is a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:40   moment and i believe it's in is it in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:43   caliban's war where yes caliban's war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:47   because he starts to internalise a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50   of the same sort of cynicism and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:51   negativity that Miller is paused and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:55   crew really gets turned off and his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   girlfriend basically kicked him out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   their cabin and leaves the ship and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:04   has to do some reassessment of who he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:07   and and how he's acting because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   basically like hey you're no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:10   acting like that idealistic jackass that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   we love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:13   now you're just a jackass so that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   that it like you're not the guy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   shoots everybody you're the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   talks everybody out of shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:20   yeah yeah and then Miller appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:23   intervention just to get him but uh I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:28   liked you know not only do i like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:31   that scope of of the space opera that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   introduced inhabitants cape that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   this galaxy spanning civilization and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36   there's a thread and they're all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:37   gates and humanity has a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39   explore further because that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:43   subplots of all three books is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   Mormons have tried to build this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:46   spaceship and they're going to set it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:47   my unit to another star system and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   take generations for it to get there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   it doesn't really work out and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   repurpose the spaceship a few times but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   you know there's that is setting up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58   well forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   having two other other solar systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   that trope of sci-fi is not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   in this but wait maybe it is more i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:07   that and like so i like how weird the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   space stations i really felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   the alien machinery once you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:16   know once holdings able to talk to it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   love how weird alien it is and how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   not even like the machinery like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   Miller is like the interface to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25   machinery trying to it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:29   fascinating because I I like that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   complicated and weird because it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   be like when you see sci-fi movies where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   you know you can just take out you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:38   your powerbook and hack into the alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:39   computer you roll your eyes and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   this is like no no la if we met aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   or alien systems it would be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   strange and inhabit escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   it's really strange it is and 2001 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   strange just like bizarre stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:54   yeah yeah I enjoyed that it's it's a li [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   it's not just like a palette swap or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   it's like oh they're basically people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   but with like different colored you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   different numbers of limbs or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03   different color do have three eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06   yeah exactly though I mean without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07   really thinking about the consequences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:08   thereof this you know this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   actually thought out in like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   there's a reason behind this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   civilization or you and we don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   you know that's the fascinating thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:17   like if you asked like water water what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:20   do the aliens from these books look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   we never see one now all dead all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:25   this is just the systems they built that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:26   that continue on without them like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   woman is like the aqueducts in the roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   in the Romans had all died off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   yeah so the next book is a siebel burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:40   which i've only read the first like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:43   chapters of so how is it it is it is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:48   distinct from you you mean is adjusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:52   for the rest of them as they all are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:53   right it's it's a very different book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   just to set up the premise you know now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   that these gates are open people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   basically gone through and started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:01   settling in particular one planet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   they that seems to be habitable by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   humans and there is a political dispute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:09   over it in terms of there are squatters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   who basically you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   internship and flew out there before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:14   anybody else could get there but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   also a company that's like a mining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   company that owned theoretically owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:22   the rights to that planet or has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:23   know a deal with the UN 2m basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:27   colonize and resource farming the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30   right so there's some conflict there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:33   we meet a couple new uh Brittany [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35   narrators including a couple of whom who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:38   have appeared previously in the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:39   as minor character i believe there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   two in that book who are three who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:45   already met in the series and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:48   some interesting fallout from stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   that's happened in the series already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   both for those characters and for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   of the other characters but it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:57   you know I it's interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   looking at it without giving too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   way for those of our panelists who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:02   haven't read it thanks we get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   same situation of being like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   that happens get dresses like well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:09   people should we really just be jumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:11   onto these brand new planets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   settling them like should we check that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14   out first or should we just like let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   just go because they had a planet has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   got like tunnels and and structures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:22   things that were left by whoever lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:25   there before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:26   whatever happened to the gates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:29   everything happened it's not like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   and literally people are just like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   but there's lithium here let's mine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   sneaky ass a dead civilization and alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   creatures and are you really thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   this through it but they're in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   they're really excited about the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:43   that there is another planet because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   lot of the tension earlier on in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   series comes from the fact that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:50   these two you essentially have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   Arthur's you're Martians and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:56   belters and the fact that both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   Martians and the belters grew up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   different gravitational situations which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   leads to some physiological differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05   right there is like a racial divide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   yeah and so having another planet turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   out to be an interesting tension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:12   political tension factor because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   like oh well now you know how does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   factor into all these pre-existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:18   divides in terms of how we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20   categorized people thus far and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   belters are the ones who do the Wildcat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:24   colony on this plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:25   and it's also funny because on one level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   they're trying to ban together as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   belters on another level if if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:33   colonize a planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36   they're not there they're children are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   not going to be belters anymore either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   going to look like earth people and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   Mars people because they're grown and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:43   gravity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   yeah so the I know they're gonna they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   gonna be abandoning they may feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   they're like supporting their people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:49   they're actually going to be abandoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:50   their life entirely by doing that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:53   that's fascinating wrinkle to like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:56   and we thought we were out of real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57   estate so we were colonizing out here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   and now it turns out there's unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:00   real estate so what happens next right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   and and the questions of just like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:05   you know human beings being naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   tribal to a certain extent like how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   you draw those line right terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   your identity when it comes to a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   planet when it's a and somehow there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:16   always an element of us versus them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19   that comes into play in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20   settling this new planet between these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   these conflicting parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:23   the reviews are relative said also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   the this feels like sort of part one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   the next act of this series that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:29   have partly important that the first act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   was opening the gates essentially and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   this is this is part this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   transitional book that setting up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   next phase of the storyline and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   apparently they've signed deal where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:41   they're gonna be like five more of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:42   at least so yeah well i was fascinated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   because I'm you know having now finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47   that book and and thought about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   sort of how different all of these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   are from each other i'm sort of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:53   really intrigued to see what the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   book is because even if you're setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   up a new Act it feels like the pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   is that all of these books are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   different from the other books yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   so the kind of the way this leaves off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   in some ways because all the books seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   to end with a certain amount of epilogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:08   that has like hints of where we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:11   next and the hints that they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:12   dropping this book suggests well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:15   going we're not going to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:16   necessarily directly follow up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   stuff here but it's going to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   impact on what we're looking at next in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   the whole like state of play for all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   these factions right anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:27   anybody want to say about the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:28   other than we like it you should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   should you should read it I think before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:33   the TV show comes on maybe you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   you should read it there fun it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   one of the best science fiction series I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   feel that I've read in years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:40   certainly one of the best i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   probably the best space opera I've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   since the Vorkosigan saga which is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   favorite space of plateau I feel I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   highly enjoyed it I I sort of burned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   through these and I've really just I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   immersed myself in them and I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   found a book series that I've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:58   fallen into so completely as this in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:01   very long time so it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   delightful read my house recommend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   oh I was gonna say if if I were in deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:08   in rehearsing a show right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   probably would have pounded right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10   through the second and third one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   because yeah it just it's fun it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:17   there's no doubt about it Scott do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   what your feelings are your feelings I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:23   have no feelings i enjoyed reading i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:27   think the phone i'll read the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28   when it comes out in like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   extremely they turn them out every month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:33   or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:33   yeah it's craziness and I'm surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:36   how good they are given their rapid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:37   development i I'm intrigued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   I wonder how they do this how they there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:42   two guys that are writing these and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   just wonder what their processes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45   maybe Daniel Abraham and ty Franck are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   themselves pen names each representing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:50   two people and then they have two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53   and they have two people and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54   actually like a hundred and twenty-eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:55   people who read these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:56   crowdsourcing it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   it's amazing just google docs you set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01   a google doc you share with some friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:02   you got a novel we got to love you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   haven't got a TV deal just like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   doing this all the wrong way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07   yeah seriously but there's a lot of fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   i like them i think that they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   modern and rooted in our current time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:15   like that was talking about how he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   kind of burnt out with this this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   human thing that same sci-fi authors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   going because charles stross like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   charles stross book we read with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:25   name of money and the mermaid right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   couldn't finish it I couldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   started reading and i got like 50 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:30   and i'm like a just i don't i don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:33   about these people representing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   they're like robots that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   whether it's a 2312 or whatever the heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:40   that was all I almost twenty-three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   twelve and get that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   then you probably know how fast money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   and Slow Money work now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   hold on let me check really quick nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51   okay with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:52   yeah I'm good I can tell you later day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:55   yeah okay thank you so much five guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   the textbook LOL i've got a webinar on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   it but yeah but a lot of fun there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:03   they certainly feel like if current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:08   people were transported to the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   and what would happen and i don't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   that in a bad way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:14   you know like damn samey characters act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:17   like you think they would and they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20   like people which is a high compliment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:21   and the aliens are weird and cool stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:25   yeah yeah i like that i mean again re in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:28   reality you know it 200 years in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   future people will probably behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   there'll be things about human nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:34   will be the same but there'll be a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:35   of trap trappings will be very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   and horrifying it's the it's that damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   kids thing taken like times a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:42   but um and that can be interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   speculation but on another level i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   enjoy science fiction where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:47   characters feel human in a strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   situation but recognizably human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   behaving the same way and maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   saying some things about how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:54   what human nature is and how we behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   today and I i like that and and I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3056">TS</a>]

00:51:00   with you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:01   posthuman complications are interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   but it was nice to read something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:07   I felt like I was can I was being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   watching a movie or TV show in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11   what he's really good well-drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13   characters who were recognizable to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   as people fun is underfunded under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:18   rabies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:18   yeah and having read the first one not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   knowing anything about you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   obviously this was before the TV series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:24   but once I heard about the TV deal i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   like oh that makes perfect sense just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:28   reading the first one was like yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:29   can totally see this is a TV show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   reading the other three it even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:34   hammers at home even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35   yeah yeah season 4 on a planet actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:39   actually in terms of TV construction i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40   was also thinking that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   brilliant things about this is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43   it is not like a book of space battles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:47   right it's a lot of conversations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   people in enclosed spaces whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   on earth or on a space station or on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   spaceship having character moments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   punctuated by exciting space things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3116">TS</a>]

00:52:00   uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   but also it just it seemed eminently sh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05   fillable let that boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   kind of reminds me of it makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   of the wire honestly it's like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   season has a slightly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:13   yes with a slightly different set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:15   characters some characters carryover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:16   between the seasons but they're each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   sort of distinct and tell their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   story within themselves right and it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   connects in a larger City and we find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   out emphasis from Baltimore ya sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   multiple through that's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:31   alright well so there it is the expanse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:34   if you're still listening because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   don't care about spreading horns go read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   it i am already mall ball so novellas to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:43   their kind of so now the i will seek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   those out after i'm done with the fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:46   book was gonna say one of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:47   really like about it is that it is large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   enough to also be able to have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   novellas with smaller stories and focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:54   on characters that might not be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57   that might not get a giant part of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:00   of the books but you can still meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   again fitting in that whole television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   episodic thing you know this is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06   special episode in the middle of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07   season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:08   yeah that's true and so one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   novellas I tell him a story one tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:13   Fred Johnson story and then the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:17   one tells the story of Bobby's cousin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:21   which is kinda weird but it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   Stephen Draper who shows that me does he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:26   shows up in the prologue a book i look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   for ya so his story is told nice alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:33   now let's move on and play that game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   that we've been playing since episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:36   number one which is what are you reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:40   where we get to talk about some books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   that we've been reading lately that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:43   would like to recommend ideally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   recommend or maybe warn people away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   fine that works too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   dan what are you reading she's like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   finish this book white guy you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:54   reading my experience you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:58   tell us about that it's like that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   like cheating yeah I don't know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   read next I had a couple things on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   list and I had a few things on sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05   my mine bedside table that I'd had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:09   stacked out before your reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:10   experience where you reading anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   do anything good the last like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:13   months and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:14   well what the hell that I read before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   you think about it will come back to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:17   David are you ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   what have you been reading while the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   other book i have a book market right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   now is I haven't gotten a tie-in novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:27   and I don't know how long but they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:30   came out with a a doctor who novel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:34   the war doctor and I thought okay I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:37   curious and it's it's called engines of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:41   war by George man with two ends and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:47   it's kind of interesting you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:50   can you can really see very well here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   John Hurt doing this line so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:55   he's really caught the character and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   took a break from it to go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   Leviathan wakes so I'm kind of curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   to see how it wraps on but I'm liking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:05   all right now I know you love tie-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   novels too well the eye from your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:10   for her earliest i have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   I've curved by habit but yes I used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:13   have tons of channels i still have a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:16   all right Scott what what have you been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   reading lately that you recommend i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   so many books that i read because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   tell me to read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   so what tell me what to read scott well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   as i was reading the expense i tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   about this book earlier today actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   it made me think of this series the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   paradox trilogy that i read that's by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:34   Rachel bak i read it sometime early this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:37   year three books obviously because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   trilogy fortunes pawn honors night and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:43   heavens queen and luckily for me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:46   started reading it and they decided I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   guess they have these backlog because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   they came out a one month at a time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53   it was very convenient for me because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   started reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:56   well the first one came out and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:57   had to wait a month for the second one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:59   and the third one and these are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01   from the beginning space opera it's a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   woman is the the main character and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06   she's kind of like this power arm pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:09   and she gets mixed up power armor i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   should say no power that beard highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   specific skills but she gets mixed up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:19   this crazy like a psychic monster thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:23   that's happening in a secret society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:24   that's protecting the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:27   to it's a very interesting book and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:30   always nice to read the sign switching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:31   book that has a female lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:35   so check those out are the first ones to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:39   Jason I can answer your question now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   damn what are you reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   fortunately I've been cataloging my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   books this year and I just remembered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   that I don't like that reads page 0 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   normal so ironically enough the book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:52   read directly before Leviathan wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   which sort of ease me into it was a star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:57   wars book but it was written by James sa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   Corey oh yeah I'm honor among thieves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   which is a han Solo book that takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:05   place after star after a new hope it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:09   okay i wouldn't say it was great but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:12   was in good enough that it made me check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14   out what else was under the name James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   sa Corey and I was like oh I think Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   like that book i should read it directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   before that I read another actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:22   really good book that i will recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   called hot led Coldiron by an author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:28   named marimar Mel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   normal I don't know but it is a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:33   urban fantasy book set in 1930s Chicago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   following API named Mick Oberon who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:39   actually from who is actually a ferry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   from the buffet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:43   it has a little bit of intrigue fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   intrigued but also mobsters and yeah a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   little bit more angle to it I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   was quite good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:52   very funny well written i believe there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   are more following books coming out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:57   that series and i would recommend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:00   Jason what are you reading oh thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   for asking Scott that's very kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   I we're going to do a book club in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   weeks about this i I've read some urban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   fantasy sort of siren lung London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   falling by paul cornell and i bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   sequel but i haven't read it yet and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   read the latest been an individual not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:19   the latest i read the next Peter Grant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   book moon over soho those are series the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:25   intervention paul cornell both Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   Who writers both now writing urban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:30   fantasy about law enforcement with magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:33   in London so lots of similarities lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   of differences but both could really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:39   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:40   dan I know you've been you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:41   reading the peter grant i have i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:45   am up to date on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:47   yeah I think you're right there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:48   come i think there's one coming out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   fall though I think I just like four of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   them or five hours i read for and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   think the right one is coming out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:55   yeah so I read over the second it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   really good i really like to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   enjoyed all of river when I mean yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:00   they're quick reads and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03   more interesting stuff that again as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:05   goes a lot of things get a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:06   complex and there was a there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:08   genuine moment when the last books when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   I was like what is going on yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:13   it's funny I the baronage books there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   a basically magic something happened and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:18   now it's almost nobody who can do magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   and then this this young the young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:23   detective are young police officer ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:27   up meeting this old white guy he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:30   young black police officer old white guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   who knows magic and sort of takes him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   under his wing and explains to him that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   he's gonna maybe be a magician and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:39   you know it's it's pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   london falling it's sort of like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:42   a there's a good team of people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:45   police who are investigating a crime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   through an accident they basically are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:50   granted special magical sight and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   they they are then basically told okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   well I guess you're the magic cops but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:58   they're very similar very similar in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:59   both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   really good they're both really good so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   paul cornell and Ben Aaron a bitch i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   read sherry priests book dreadknot which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   is the sequel to Boneshaker which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   talked about in like episode 1 she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:12   gonna that I've been taking that series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   slow but it's it's a it's called a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   clockwork century series it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   steampunk there's Evelyn's to answer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:21   age-old question are there Zeppelin's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:23   their resemblance there like hijacked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:25   Confederate Zeppelin's it's an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:26   history where the Confederate war or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   the civil war rages for like 40 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   and they're zombies in seattle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   there's there's little cross-linked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34   characters and ever i go i just am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   trying to stretch those out but every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   time I read one I I go wow these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   really great so Sheree priests clockwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:44   century i read my real children by John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47   Walton I know it's got you read that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:49   didn't really like it I really loved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51   i thought it was fantastic it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53   quite science fiction except in the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   that there's kind of a split where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:59   woman has to make a decision and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:00   she leads to lives and we see both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:03   both of the lives of based on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   decision and the very end she sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:08   like the waveform collapses and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10   remembering she's very old and she's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:13   two sets of memories but really it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   super science fiction but it's it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   it's very different from most books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   because she's he has to tell like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:20   complete life stories so there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   of like scenes and then a lot of summary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:25   of things that happen in this woman's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:26   life in these two timelines man is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29   it's really good about your Walton so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:32   also finally red tooth and claw by John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   Walton which scott recommended this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:36   the most this is the book where I'm all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:37   the characters are dragons and they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   wear sound like Jane Austen yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   wear that hat say anywhere have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   yes ok i remember this dragons wear hats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   they do it's very serious and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   started I had on my kindle for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:49   year and like dragons and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   and I finally read it and steal my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   it's great it really is great it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:56   Jane Austen novel it's ok it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:59   comedy of manners and about the Dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:02   yeah and every now and then when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:05   think you best start to think of them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:06   people then my Dragon will like each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09   another dragon ya and you'll be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11   alright dragon gotta drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   it's it's it sounds ridiculous and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   ridiculous and yet you know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   fantastic and very and very fun because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:21   it is in that style of coincidences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:25   connections and you can see how the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   is going to connect together and have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   an amusing result in the end this couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:32   is are they going to come together or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:34   not and all of that except they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:35   dragons and they are eating each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   it's it's downloading to my kindle yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   it's a bit kind of the other book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   i've been reading lately and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44   I'm i can justify this because I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:47   currently unemployed yeah my own book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:50   ok sure residents real cold resurrection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:54   man damn it doesn't currently have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:56   ok a lot of change everything I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:59   worked on by this time is dead body if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   you send me a check scotch tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:04   copy of this book exclusive copy of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:07   book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:08   whoo it's coming along it's right when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   I've only been working out for five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:12   pixel pretty sure we'll be done any day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14   and maybe this is the year when when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:17   and I finally come out with her books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:18   now that we did it's just what I do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   is what I'm literally spending all of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   time on right now that is not involve a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   podcast alright i will i read i look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27   forward to seeing her totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   it is from the first draft that i read i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:30   think you'll enjoy it alright my god i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   hope so i read while i was on vacation i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:36   read gone girl which is you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   bestseller home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   it's really good movie yeah it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:42   be heavy it's a really good book Gillian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:43   Gillian Flynn who once interviewed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   for five minutes for Entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47   Weekly that's my claim to fame that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:49   blending it shouldn't be about TV dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:52   org for like a 200-word article in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   entertainment weekly and now she's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   best only medalist but it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58   really good book really good yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:02   without their twists and they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:05   interesting characters and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   maybe not the book you should choose to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   read on your vacation for your 20th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:10   wedding anniversary has not romantic in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:14   any way but it is really great so man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17   don't run away i read a world of trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:21   which is the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:24   and final book in the last policeman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26   trilogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   uh-huh which is the the trilogy set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:30   where an asteroid is a going to hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:33   earth and this detective everyone's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   of given up on their lives because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   plants can be destroyed but this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:39   detective is looking for stuff we might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   we might talk about that sometime to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   lisa has been agitating because Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:44   loves it when the earth is destroyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   home and you know I was worried when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:49   was reading the last book there's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:50   be some kind of compound like oh no the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   asteroid misses a but I was not despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:55   ya know it oh well now I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:58   read advanced spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:00   yeah whoops being the only other book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:03   I've been reading the last month or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:04   has been a record books for research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:07   bourbon a history of the Americans a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   trap by Dane little bridge that's a fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:13   man that's like just steal a total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15   effect seriously jack but yes it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:18   very entertaining look at the history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:21   bourbon and why it's focused in Kentucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   and now you know the stuff so its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   research for script for something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:27   but not for the radio theatre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:30   no but I'm sure details will be sure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:33   that of course that's just how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:36   after we get our episode about 77 1776 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:38   the musical i did actually read David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:40   McCullough 70 1776 which is a great look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:44   yeah I wish that there were books at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:47   level of detail and skill of that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:50   about the other years of the war because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:52   it is literally just about the year 1776 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:55   and you get to the end your life but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:56   but no tell where 1777 it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3956">TS</a>]

01:06:00   nope they're out there is one by someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02   else someone else 1775 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   yeah that that's the run-up to it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:08   it's a really good book nobody sings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:09   nobody sings in it by the wanker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:12   it's not really connected to the musical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   and now rich in any way and well here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:17   my nonfiction 14 we haven't done one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:18   these in a long time i read a really fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:20   book called up up and away the kid the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:23   hawk rock flatty Pedro like Rhonda raj u [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:26   P the crazy business of baseball and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:28   ill-fated but unforgettable montreal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30   expos that is the complete title by just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:33   by jonah keri who is a way a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:36   the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:36   the podcast will say he actually used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   work with Phil Michaels and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   sportsbooks go it is delightful because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   want baseball in Montreal man that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:45   car crash and the fans the poor fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:48   have to have to deal with it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:51   those are books books are good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   should read books I Oh guys I right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:55   finally read good omens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:56   oh right now i just noticed that as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:58   was looking at goodreads yeah I finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   realized i know people really love it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   found it gave it a 350 k life I have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:06   on a shelf for close to 20 years I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:09   have not gotten past page 35 found it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:12   okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:13   Wow no i I've read in many years I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   remember really loving it and I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:18   trying i keep trying because people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   saying oh but you it's so you you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:23   love it and you know there are parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25   it that are really hilarious and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:27   there are parts of it that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:28   trying they're trying so hard you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30   trying so hard to be yeah quirky in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:34   English and yeah i mean they are working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37   time coming up but i will say people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:40   versus of the same thing with pratchett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   just in general for me and i have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:44   been able to get through anything smile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   that's a shame i love Terry Pratchett I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:48   like him but don't love them and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   that's the thing i like I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:51   arrange on this for him yeah have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:54   great fondness for him and he's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:55   different writer from neil gaiman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:56   I'm always blown away that the two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   them collapse yeah it is it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   there's some very funny stuff in it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02   mean there's there's definitely stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:03   where I started and I read it out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05   to Lauren because it's like get a load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:08   of this this is really funny but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   there's no other stuff that's it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   fine i think it got oversold because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   know some people think it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:15   greatest book ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:16   yeah that's probably can't leave live up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   to the now it is not an errand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:19   expectations are hard i definitively say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   it is not the greatest book ever it's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   great expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:24   yeah yeah you did there yeah i yeah let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:29   me down to this of the subtitle of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   expectations is our are not what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:33   should have about this book lower the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:37   expectations right there a Dickens tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   to put that in for the reviewer he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:40   you know everyone locked it off didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   really turn seconds on the clock was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:43   paid by the word so he was patting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:45   yeah oh yeah title word sir extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:49   alright we've come to the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:50   book club I want to thank my guests for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   talking about books we should do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   again sooner than the million years it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:57   been since the last one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:59   not counting the stand which we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:00   care because I was a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:01   crowd David except for me and David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   David Laura thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:04   thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   the pleasure as always as always get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:09   more'n thanks for being here it's nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   to hear your voice on a podcast i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   it's such a rare occurrence these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   but it's a pleasure to come back to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:17   one true home tel tell us about you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:20   you people can find you another podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   maybe you can find many other podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:25   uh clockwise yes with some guy named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27   Jason yeah which shows up weekly on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:31   day of the week that we choose to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:32   up house wednesday or thursday usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:34   somewhere in the middle of week and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:36   starting last week I've started a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:38   podcast with two other friends of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:41   incompetent i would say maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   overselling index treatment and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   Smoltz called the rebound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:46   yep in which is a shortish tech podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49   that's maybe funny and probably a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:52   bit crass at times but you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   what you get when you hang out with lex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:55   and John bless you doing small podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:58   is really loves more fun yes thank God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:01   will see if anybody likes the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   episode we've decided maybe just saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   already haha dropping like while you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   the first dibs a yes it was it was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:12   of fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:12   dan I haven't listened yet because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14   don't have a community more i go on or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:19   something and pick up my right I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   your pain up i listened to half of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:24   of your upgrade podcast with my curling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:27   and then I had something to do here so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:31   often happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:33   well i mean i got i was i have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:35   spare time which i don't have a into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:36   doing so like I should listen to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38   podcast I never get to listen up i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:39   that this is where we are now just time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:43   to understand Scott you you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:45   were the one among us who has to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:47   somewhere where people pay you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49   it's it's a tough lot of my I tell ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:52   but ya i'll keep showing up going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:55   keep a the books pay for the books i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57   guess this is leading up to me saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4257">TS</a>]

01:10:59   Scott McNulty thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:02   I don't think it's sincere that having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:04   taken time out of your busy work week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:08   Scott Scott's we had we search we we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:11   such a moment we we had BBQ together in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   San Jose California it was delicious was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   a special moment it was a special yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:18   and and peanut butter pie and peanut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   butter pie peanut butter pie anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:24   thanks to everybody out there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:25   listening to this episode of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:26   club and the uncomfortable we will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28   you next time goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:46   alright and thanks everybody out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   for listening to another edition of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:51   can thank me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:52   oh yes exchange there was this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:56   have a job here tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:57   I've seen almost everything now I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4317">TS</a>]

01:12:03   seen things you wouldn't believe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:05   something off the tails ergaster not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:09   that didn't record on the dan Houser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:10   gate call recorder files lost like tears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:16   and rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:16   yeah time to digest I and I to hang up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:22   skype you'll see in 12 hours before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:26   but that's hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   this is how we fill our time now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZW7dG8/4348">TS</a>]