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00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable number 221 November [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► L and we're here as we like to do every [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► year to wrap up the latest season of [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► doctor who and joining me to talk about [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► it are people who know a little bit [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► about doctor who have talked about it a [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► little bit in the past on this or other [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► podcasts i will introduce them to you [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► now Glenn fleischmann sign in please [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► ahoy-hoy Jason pleasure to be here David [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► J lower hello howdy do in more'n you're [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► it's good to have you I it's a pleasure [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► as always and Erica and sign who is on [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► many podcasts delivers a doctor who i'm [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► glad that you're gracing hours to a [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► sharks I'm happy to be here we think of [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► you as a member of our family in general [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► and that that your doctor who you also [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► have that other doctor who profession [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► and there's about 15 podcast got a lot [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► going on [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► it's always nice to talk about dr. when [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► you hear it's a little special treat [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► yeah pretty much talk about Doctor Who [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► any lines yeah sometimes we talk about [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► novels and doctor who comes up we talk [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► about movies and doctor who comes up [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► it's funny how that happens huh [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► I don't know how the homes and that's [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► strange ok so Doctor Who series 8 I we [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► should say up front that you may not [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► know if you're just listening to the [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► incomparable podcast that we on one of [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► our spin-offs the TV podcast we actually [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► did a wrap up of every single episode of [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► the season there are 12 episodes where [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► immediately following the airing of the [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► episode we got on the skype and did an [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► episode talking about it so you if [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► you're interested in in an episode by [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► episode guide and you haven't listened [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► to those yet i'll go back and check it [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► out the incomparable calm / TV te and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► they're all there but we should start so [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► this is peter capaldi's first season as [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► as the doctor and I think I think we [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► perhaps should recap the season so I was [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► going to go through the episodes one by [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► one and just get a little quick take on [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► it from everybody again referencing the [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► fact that we have whole podcast about [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► each one of these if you really want to [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► listen to our sorts of my random [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► assortment of random doctor who it's a [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► little like another random podcast about [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► franchise deep breath it was the was the [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► opening think back to august the the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► first episode written by steven moffat [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► this is the one where we got to meet the [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► newly regenerated picture quality [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► twelfth doctor and I there was also a [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► dinosaur and there was a skin below [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► really briefly dinosaur dad set sad [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► actually a sad death of a dinosaur I [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► felt really bad about the dinosaur that [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► he that was a nice moment where Peter [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► Capaldi gets kind of mad because he's [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► gonna I'm gonna save you and then the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► dinosaur catches on fire awkward but uh [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► at this end and then there's this weird [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► subplot with the skin balloon and and [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► what we discovered is it's the clockwork [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► droids from the girl in the fireplace [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► episode that some of us like and Erica [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► done some of us don't [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► and uh and and that you know that you [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► and it was oversized it was like an [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► hour-long so thoughts about about deep [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► breath now some of us were on a podcast [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► we talked about deep breath [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► erica was on a different podcast super I [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► i want to footnote something I want to [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► do a call back in the future about the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► robot we get to the end of this season [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► and talk about it okay [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► the guy with the clockwork head we're [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► going to talk about him later in the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► half face man [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► it's been ok it was I yeah I had I [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► promised the episodes I felt like it was [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► a pastiche as we talked about the time [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► but it was very strong opening it was a [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► stylistically thematically strong and [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► they certainly had a through-line [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► everything they brought up the whole [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► kind of approach the meson seats and [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► everything they did in the first episode [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► really did play out [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► it really did set the stage in a way [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► that i think when i go back and look at [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► it now it'll probably irritate need less [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► because i'm informed by the rest of the [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► season that they fulfill the promise [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► that I didn't feel is entirely in the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► episode I just really really liked it i [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► know a lot of people actually sort of as [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► usual standard you and I I've done it [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► we are the yin and the yang Yang Doctor [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► Who fandom you guys yeah it's good i was [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► in the middle i mostly liked it how [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► about that and well and I fulcrum better [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► than 50-percent with you in the middle [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► 75 yeah i like that i like the character [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► bits and the the plot itself seems like [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► it wasn't that that interesting things [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► that i don't i usually don't watch for [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► plots i'm usually watching for character [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► stuff more these days so that's probably [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► why I liked it but still I can't think [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► of anything that I would have cut out i [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► was i was on the edge of my seat the [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► whole time I think I want to pick up on [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► something Glenn said there because i do [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► think this is a really relevant thing [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► throughout this whole season which is in [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► hindsight it is very clear that there [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► was a plan and the plan wasn't just an [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► overarching plot in fact you could argue [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► there is no overarching plot there's a [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► series of little sprinkled in scenes [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that remind you that there's going to be [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► a finale which I i'm not a big fan of [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► actually but there is an overarching [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► theme of this season and and yes [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► discovering who the doctor is and if he [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► is a good man and and what his role is [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and is he a soldier or is he a commander [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► of soldiers and all that that starts [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► with episode 1 and drives through the [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► whole season so what you get is not [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► really a story arc but you get character [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► a character arc and a theme for the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► season and that i really like i really [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► like the fact that this this season [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► obviously is about these issues and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► they're going to be explored in every [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► episode i will point out i had actually [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► forgotten about the Missy scenes [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► yes I i don't get the Missy seems good [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► but I block them out yes well and like [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► Glenn you know going back and watching [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► it after having seen the whole series it [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► does irritate me less but it still [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► irritates me but the big tits the [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► character stuff that really worked for [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► oh and and I mean I love Capaldi the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► minute his feet hit the ground running [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► you know I just didn't like anything [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► about the story at all [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► I the lesbian expert exhibition problem [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► with that episode I was like I was like [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► you've already introduced the fact the [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► same sex and it just seemed like huh had [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► two ladies have victorian and it's like [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► come on [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► and yet you know they were newspaper [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► articles about how that was that was a [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► notable moment that there was all like a [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► lesbian kiss and in Doctor Who my wife [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► had the had the point that she was [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► bugged by the fact that she doesn't like [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► how vastra treated Jenny [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► she treats and Jenny points it out right [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► that this is part of that relationship [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► is is you know you treat me like the [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► maid but you know that supposed to be a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► front but you treat me like the maid and [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► I said that and and lawrence response [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► was it doesn't matter she's I don't like [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► I don't like mad ambassador I don't like [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► that she treats Jenny that way which I [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► thought was interesting [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► I like that it's not a perfect lesbian [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► couple because sure because that [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► wouldn't be realistic any more than [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► anything else so so it i agree with [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► Lauren that I was kind of like giving [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► manifester the side either but yeah [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► thnkx booked up for herself and here it [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► is clearly a relationship dynamic that [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► works for them so hey more power to you [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► yeah but I you know Capaldi and this [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► will be an overarching will talk about [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► Peter Capaldi as we go and i suspect at [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► the end to he he is at the center here [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► right now I do feel like we said at the [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► time when we did the TV podcast i feel [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► like the plots kind of beside the point [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► I mean that you can actually kind of [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► wave aside the plot other than the fact [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► that it takes up a lot of time that I [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► actually wanted more character bits and [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► a little less of the plot bits believe [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► in hot that you know it they construct a [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► balloon out of out of skin though not [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► things unnecessarily I mean you know [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► it's a effectively creepy and gross if [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► that's what they were shooting for they [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► accomplished held it a little [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► yeah yeah welcome to a new new doctor [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► who where where skin is used to make a [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► balloon that it that it was a message [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► that carries through the season and [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► welcome to a new doctor who and it's [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► gonna do some things differently that is [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► for sure or for any other people's skin [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► this whole season is is darker and uh [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► they're more debt character deaths I [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► think Steven Moffat was kind of living [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► down his everybody lives thing where he [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► got swerved away from killing people at [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► the end so many different times oh well [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► they're not really dead that this season [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► seemed to me to be his apology almost [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► instantly season 12 is what it was he [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► was harkening back to the robert holmes [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► philippines cliff area which was pretty [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► much this dark i mean at one point the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► doctor hands a guy a gun so he can kill [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► himself [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► like that's the thing that happened on [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► Doctor Who in the seventies yeah so and [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► then you hear the gunshot [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► in fact we got the room like okay [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► that's right the doctor would never use [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► a gun he would just accepting all this [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► episode where he does he will tricky we [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► just handed to somebody else [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► sure you would have a soldier to do it [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► oh god we should talk about into the [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► Dalek which is a co-written episode [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► supermarket and TVs Phil forward uh this [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► is the this is the Steven Moffat and [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► Phil forward try to tell a different [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► kind of Dalek story right because we've [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► seen so many different Dalek stories and [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► so when into the Dalek we get the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► Fantastic Voyage we're going to be [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► shrunken down by a by a shrink-ray there [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► is a shrink-ray in this story and put in [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► inside a Dalek [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► what do we think of into the Dalek I [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► liked it that that was the first time [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► this year with the plot really it seems [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► like it was gonna go this way and this [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► way this way like you expect and I mean [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I've said the Sun several TV episodes [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► that this was the first one where it's [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► zigged when it was gonna zag and it it [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► turned trope upside down on me and I I [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► didn't see it coming and i like that and [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► that again seems to be a theme and [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► seemed to be part of the hello this is a [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► new Doctor Who I thought it was I [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► thought I don't applaud didn't do much [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► for me but I thought that the character [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► moments are really nice and we do have [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that moment that of the doctor basically [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► sacrificing someone to save a bunch of [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► other people which becomes a theme as we [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► go along and once again plays into that [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► whole sort of overarching officer thing [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► which i thought was a good moment and I [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► enjoyed the callbacks with the Dalek in [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► terms of you know the doctor being [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► viewed as a a good Dalek which I think [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► also sort of gets played two in the in [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► the overarching are completely am no [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► yeah I enjoyed the fact that they really [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► went for the cheesiness factor inside [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► the Dalek had like those big expando [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► accordion it was like there was no [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► attempt to make it look precisely [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► high-tech it was like you know boiler [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► rooms like being a ship or the ad [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► Nickelodeon TV show or something like [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► weird green group and [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► and press that button is to hit that [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► thing that will reset the memory cells [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► and it was kind of nice if I think this [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► comes up later in the time heist episode [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► to wear if they actually truly revel in [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the cheesiness what they're doing it [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► comes across better than if they try to [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► pass it for real right it's almost [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► metaphorical or irrelevant because you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► just sort of enjoying the wrong i really [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► liked it because I have a tendency to [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► get bored with garlic story's pretty [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► quickly because it tends to be the same [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► story over and over and over again so i [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► was i was pretty excited that they [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► managed to do something different that [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► hadn't been done before I mean yes and [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► doctor who they have been known to [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► shrink themselves and then we had the [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► invisible enemy but they never went [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► inside a Dalek before and I suppose yes [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► you had the you know the Dalek and the [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► doctor being compared to each other like [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► in Dalek by Rob Sherman but i just-i I [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► thought the the rearranging of all of [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► the pieces worked really well for me so [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► I had a lot of fun with it and like the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► inside the character moments were were [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► spot-on so enjoyable on the good Dalek [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► thing I mean that is the theme of this [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► an episode and people were kind of [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► analyzing when he met because it does [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► sound like what happens in Rob Sherman's [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► episode Dalek with Christopher [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► Eccleston's that the difference here is [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► that he was a that Dalek was was saying [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► you'd be a good Dalek you like you you [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► would be an excellent Dalek and hear [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► what the what what rusty the dollar like [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► love that says is essentially you're [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► like us but good which is a real i mean [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that's like kind of a blow it's like [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► well you don't want to be like a Dalek [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► in any way but that's what he's saying [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► is is you know like me because rusty has [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► turned around and realize that the right [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► thing to do is exterminate the Daleks [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► that that's what the doctor is he's like [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► that the Daleks except good and that is [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► I mean talk about something that's going [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► to make you ponder your own place in the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► universe is being compared to a Dalek in [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► any way and that fits into the theme of [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► the whole the whole series we haven't [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► actually mentioned Clara and Danny yet [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► oh yes showed in both the Ares Danny [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► pink which I was so on board with with [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► Clara and Danny at the beginning I did [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► not want to romance I was when I first [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► realized that the direction they were [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► going I was angry and then I watched the [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► two of them interact and deep breath and [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► I was completely on board and it then it [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► kind of went downhill from there i'm [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► sorry to say but I was pretty excited at [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► first because there was chemistry and [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► one way I like the this is the the [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► failed the failed didn't date you know [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► pulling pulling her away from the date [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► that the doctor again this is playing [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► off one of the unique things about Clara [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► which is she is the doctor is her hobby [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► right and he comes and gets her as [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► opposed to your traditional companion [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► who travels with him she doesn't really [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► travel with him right she gets picked up [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and taken on an adventure and then [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► dropped off again that's not the same [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► that's not a live-in relationship great [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► day tripper yeah yeah yeah and so and [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► but that leads to wacky mean this is a [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► little bit of Steven Moffat scuffling [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► sitcom farcical kind of scripting it [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► leads to many situations where you've [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► got a time machine and she's got a date [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► and crazy things happen but I which I [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► actually um robot of Sherwood ah this [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► yeah yeah this is this is an episode [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► that the duh i would say it's divisive [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► peccato always devices all the fans [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► everybody's got a different opinion [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► about every episode of doctor this is [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► all this was a super like this is the [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► one that went into the time I said on [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► twitter i can i can already guess [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► exactly who doesn't like this episode [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► and why they don't like it because it's [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► light and fun and a lot of the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► technology stuff makes no sense at all [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► there was a core story with the sheriff [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► was actually a relatively clever [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► character and reminding me there's a [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► classic science fiction story in which [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► aliens landed a planet and they [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► threatened to devour everybody and this [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► one guy two volunteers to cook everybody [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► in the town slowly in this cooks body [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► parts and keeps everyone alive so we [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► celebrated as both the hero when they [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► are liberated and not i was thinking the [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► sheriff sort of fits that like aliens [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► show up and figure out how to subvert [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► them to his own benefit this case but he [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► was more but he was actually kind of [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► interesting character than that they [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► were like wait aren't you an artificial [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► lake know your real well I you know that [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► was actually I was not expecting that [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► Erica by the way my favorite probably [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► single line of the entire doctor who [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► season in terms of fan commentary with [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► the title of the very episode about this [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► which is robot sure wouldn't [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► no that was there was a slash between [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► the wood and the apostrophe NT because [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► some of us like this and like that [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► didn't [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► yeah i was is firmly on the difference [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► I'd I remember when you tweeted this is [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the episode that I know exactly how [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► people are gonna react and as soon as i [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► read that my first thought was Graham [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► Chapman as the British Army Colonel [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► going this show is to city and i loved [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► it but it's a romp it's yeah it's [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► totally ridiculous Robin ridiculous and [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► even more than like the Crimson horror [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► from last season which I also didn't [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► like also mark gatiss well I guess [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► they're among the silliness in this [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► episode had does have a lot of great [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► moments that again great character [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► moments particularly the scene where [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► they're locked up in the prison cell and [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► the robin hood and the doctor go back [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► and forth but who's got the better plan [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► for escaping there's a lot of really [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► good you know crotchety property dr. [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► moments i like the fact that the doctor [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► admits that he cheated and people get [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► sicker like well how did that arrow blow [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► well I mean the whole thing was rigged [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► it was so loud it was a fake [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► I hated that scene in the investment [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► girl with a night of the trigger dungeon [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► yes because the doctor was acting like a [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► pouty petty was little child and is you [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► don't know baby i like it when the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► doctor is childlike I like it a lot less [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► than the doctors childish everyone's no [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► it's okay but this episode he was just [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► being a big baby from beginning to end [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► and I didn't like it the scenes with [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► with Clara and the sheriff I quite [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► enjoyed I thought those were good and [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► weirdly enough i think i would have [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► liked this one if you had come the [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► season before because it didn't feel [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► like a cappella the episode of 1000 it [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► felt like a matt smith story that was [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► just dropped in [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► I want to call attention to the thing [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► that happens at the end of this episode [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► Maid Marian being returned as a gift [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► which I did not like I have a gift here [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► it's a human being she's been standing [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► behind the TARDIS well as the miserable [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► we talk i don't know I I don't think [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► this is one of the stronger episodes of [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► the year but I didn't I i would put in [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► the positive Colin only because I [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► thought it was I thought it was light [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► and fun and this is a little bit like my [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► argument for a lot of the Christmas [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► episodes is they're trying to do with a [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► specific job which is keep it light and [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► fun have spectacle on Christmas Day and [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► I felt robot of Sherwood was kinda like [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► that if he wasn't [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► christmas i would have judged I'm very [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► different ya see ya [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► every day is Christmas Erica not my [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► heart [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► alright we're going forward device to [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► see what I say device not listen is next [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► one of my favorite i watched i watched [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► listen on a laptop in a hotel room [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► sitting next to Glen and I liked it [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► no I regularly watch it on two laptops [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► didn't we yes synced that's right synced [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► up one audio on one audio oh yeah good [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► times good times [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► listen listen you know interesting [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► script we we get young Danny pink we get [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► Orson pink descendant of Danny pink [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► who's the stranded time traveler at the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► end of the universe back at the end of [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the universal wonder if he's a listening [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► to radio signals from utopia while he's [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► out there and is exist and in the end I [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► don't know and and in the end there's a [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► moment that it turns out to be [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► it's actually in the barn on from the [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► 50th anniversary episode which is [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► related to Gallifrey in some way this is [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► like the hinterlands of Gallifrey then [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► but this is that that's the reveal of [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► this episode is that the scared child [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► who is afraid of the monster under her [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► under his bed is the doctor as a child [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► which is a quite think so what if you're [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► being what do we think of that this is [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► also their love chalkboards and some [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► very interesting script what we think of [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► listen it'sit's this it's the way it's [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► the imperative the Steven Moffat [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► imperatives episode don't blink [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► listen don't eat breathe don't breathe [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► don't breathe don't perspire now don't [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► put don't wear a shirt [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► no don't don't stick pins in your ear [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► don't worry classes but yeah I love this [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► just because it did take that that [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► moment because I have joked about that [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► before you know don't breathe don't [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► blink don't perspire don't whatever and [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► it turned out there's no villain in this [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► writer zoo or is always there [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► well or else but there's not a [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► traditional is not a traditional villain [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► shall we [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► aureus area where is there is [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► there but that was sort of an [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► interesting ending and it did not go [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► where again where we were expecting with [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► all the don't do this don't that and to [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► have those moments [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► echoing around you know and the speeches [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► echoing and realizing that what he says [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► to young young Danny at the beginning is [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► what she said to him at the end was just [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► beautiful and and you know maybe maybe [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► it's being a parent now that really hit [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► me hard [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► if you want to pick a like and [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► effectively super creepy scene the scene [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► with the young Danny and the thing under [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the blankets when my award as the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► creepiest thing that happened this [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► mm and and it never really gets [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► explained which where I'm ok with a [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► single day without we have a little [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► under the yeah what's the thing under [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► the blanket it doesn't explain but [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► there's an explanation [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► no but there's no but it's not [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► conclusive i think is our bill that's [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► what is left and buries us it's [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► ambiguous but it still it works either [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► way it's described exactly right [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► this is master i like my favorite [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► episode this emerica yeah of course it [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► is driving me to stay right here no [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► Robert Rhoades sure what i thought this [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► was exquisite in its construction but it [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► didn't have to be a doctor who episode [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► to work and maybe that's part difference [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► I don't know what I just I I I felt like [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► this story was very much it was like a [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► piece of art that i just did not connect [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► with emotionally it was well crafted in [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► many ways it was beautiful it just [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► didn't work for me [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► first of all I don't like the idea of [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► the doctor crying as a six-year-old [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► child like that just that kind of throws [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► off my vision of the doctor and yes [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that's on me but it's it's that setting [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► and disturbing and I appreciate how [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► often made every single scene have two [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► different explanations it could be this [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► this creature that the doctor thinks is [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► out there or it could be exactly what he [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► says it is in any given seen you know [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► the whole is cooling it's making cracks [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► you know that that the air is rushing [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► out simply because of the difference in [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► air pressure you know and I i really [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► wanted to see them a monster it didn't [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► have to be super scary it could have [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► turned out to not actually be a month [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► there could have been something good i [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► just i don't like the idea that the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► doctor can be so completely wrong that [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► always gives me the willies but he's um [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► yeah that's the thing it's ambiguous [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► he's playing the thing well here's the [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► thing we know not long after that he [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► sees the untempered schism and he runs [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► he runs never stops running [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► he is that scared boy this is an earlier [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► manifestation of that gives us insight [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► into yeah don't get me started on the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► untempered schism either i thought well [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► but but here's my question why wouldn't [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► the six-year-old dr. cry you know I part [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► of I mean purposes of course it's it is [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► a show em two kids two and one of the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► things that mind really enjoyed about it [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► was seeing that first of all he was once [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► a kid that he couldn't cry and that he [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► could be scared to even though he's this [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► super guy who has gone on to have this [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► life and he's a hero whether he thinks [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► he's good or not this year but you know [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► all these things but at one point he was [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► like them to buy any and it also relates [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► with him being like I think the reason [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► he find so much empathy potentially [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► among humans to write is that he is yes [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► very human in many ways [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► yeah i just don't think I don't think [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► young me at the age of your children [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► would have would have felt that way but [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► i think i would reflect into you [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► the opposite in a way to get that was a [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► pretty sensitive kid and the doctor was [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► like a family member at that point so [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► that was it that would have been tough [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► and actually I have a red since that [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► Steven Moffat had created a character [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► called the floof in one of his a been [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► one of the novels or something that [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► actually has all of the attributes of [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► this is character that this this [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► creature that may or may not exist that [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► the doctor is surmising something that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► can that can hide really well so that [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► whether or not it's supposed to be taken [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► as an actual thing or the doctor being [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► I just think it's funny that once again [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► we have steven moffat taking something [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► from the past and something from the the [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► the wilderness years of Doctor Who and [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► sliding in you know great artists steal [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► from themselves [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► yeah that's right the this this is seems [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► to be the consensus choice for favorite [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► episode of the season which is why [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► Erica's responses so fascinating to me I [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► I liked it but I did not feel the love [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► that so many people did for I thought it [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► was fine i thought it was a little bit [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► messy [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► I thought that it doesn't necessarily [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► hold together when you start thinking [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► about the thing under the blanket and [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► all of that but I liked I liked that it [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► was so different and strange and took us [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► to so many different places I I always [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► people who listen to this podcast me [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► know I get people you created a lot of [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► credit for trying things that are [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► different and out of their comfort zone [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► and especially to show this this [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► venerable to have it be have brought an [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► episode like this i was I think a good [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► sign of things to come in this season to [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► that this episode is so so strange [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► compared to so many doctor who episodes [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► but I didn't unabashedly love it like so [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► many people that I think time for a [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► sponsor break i'm gonna cross the sci-fi [TS]

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00:26:33 ◼   ► heist his neck [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► talk about a change of pace for the [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► well certainly different right i mean [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► just the pacing alone the fact that this [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► is a bank robbery heist episode that [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► it's on an alien planet that is full of [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► variously lit corridors this field [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► everyone else like the Titanic what was [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that called a weighted hand and your [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► damned yeah ya did this I thought this [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► had a very similar feel to it because it [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► was a little bit silly it was a little [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► bit spiffy and even some of the like [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► strangeness other kind of that echoey i [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► don't know i did that's what everyone [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► tonight is Doctor Who pastiche of a like [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► a a heist movie instead of a disaster [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► movie but it is that is that is elevated [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► that's yeah exactly and since doctors [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► 11-12 David yeah moving [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► I've heard more people compare money on [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► the Orient Express to rage of the Damned [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► but I don't like with that too [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► however way to the damned is one of the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► most one of the most reviled episodes of [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► knew who I was her saying oceans live in [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► because oceans 12 is awful [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► you know if you don't feel consequences [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► of the deaths that's when it starts to [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► feel silly so like the the meantime [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► heist it doesn't feel consequential you [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► don't have the emotional people died [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► yeah then they come back over to the [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► transmat being which we've seen done [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► before as opposed the ones where someone [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► dies it's an emotional residents I think [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► those feels sort of like that's that [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► sort of sense so I i really like the the [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► highest quality here the fact that it [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► that they don't they don't have they [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► don't have their memories I think it's [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► very clearly on for anybody who's seen [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► any episodes of Doctor Who and all that [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► the architect is probably going to be [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► the doctor because that's what that [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► happens i really i really like the [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► teller in this in that there's a creepy [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► Monster that is kinda carted out but [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► it's not used in the same way that [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► monsters often are in Doctor Who that [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► it's this kind of tool of of the people [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► who run the bank and it turns out in the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► end just like in hide from last year [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► it's just a sad monster that wants to be [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► loved [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► this is a good end yeah this true yeah [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► that's right i loved hide until the end [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► when they nerfed the monster I was a [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► little bit annoyed by that [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► haha time ice is actually my favorite I [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► think of the entire series because i'm [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► just i'm a sucker for heist things so I [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► don't care about how silly you know the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► giant vents are and like that the fact [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► that this Bank really isn't all that [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► impregnable even supposed to be I just I [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► think Douglas McKinnon did an amazing [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► job i think it was directed so well you [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► get all kinds of you know oceans 11 [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► hustle style shots i actually made [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► Stephen watching episode of hostile with [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► me as soon as this was done because it [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► was just so it did feel very hostile [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► like yeah love muscle and then the [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► relighting the corridors and different [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► lights I mean that is just like that's [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► an homage to classic Doctor Who really [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► you know running through the same [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► corridor again and again I kinda wanted [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► to be even more iced tea i think is my [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► one my one criticism is that i liked it [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► but like well it's hard yeah that wasn't [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► a doctor [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► it's hard to do a heist in Doctor Who [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► because the doctor is so smart and it's [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► going to be like not run into so many [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► problems like and so everything goes a [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► little bit too well from like a really [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► good heist film I i still liked it i am [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► and i thought that i did find the ending [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► a little bit a little bit of a letdown [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► even though it like as Jason said you [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► know you kind of kind of see it coming [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► that the doctor is going to be the [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► architect no you don't have to admit I [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► did not see that coming did seem really [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► obvious I did it but I did see the fact [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► that the teller was a victim and was [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► going to be a good guy and like always [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► and clearly well he was chained up ya [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► get my mind if I have a problem with [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► this episode because I loved the pacing [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► and i love the love the brightly colored [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► corridor relit corridors I thought that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► was I thought that was actually fun and [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► funny [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► my problem with it is there's this this [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► weird sudden twist at the end which is 0 [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► the directors clone and she's also going [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► to leave and did we mention that the the [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► planet is going to be destroyed because [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► like totally then be there's a solar [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► storm comes out of nowhere and nope and [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► I will will evacuate and it never felt [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► like it was properly communicated that [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► this was going to be so devastating that [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► that it would end and it was amid all of [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► this like reveal of the clone and that [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► she's gonna leave and I felt like they [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► fumbled that part of it that was that we [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► could nvm with the teller is cute that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► the fact they come back in the hole [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► da here is that they come back in time [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► to see the teller i had no problem with [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► that it was just that let that there's [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► about five minutes there's something I [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► wanted where where it's like that like [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► miracle happens here ? cloud-like i [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► don't know let's just say some stuff and [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► hopefully exactly right [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► yeah that that's my problem with it i [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► like that they pointed out the fact that [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► too many people have the number to the [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► TARDIS phone because otherwise i'm [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► getting a little bit ridiculous but like [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► all the phone that never rings accept [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► only every other episode yeah well he he [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► outsources Jason I completely agree with [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► all of those flowers that you mentioned [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► and that is just how much i enjoyed the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► rest of the stuff that I don't care [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► about that kind of giant holes and the [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► other thing that I really liked is is [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► not only is it a heist movie but it's a [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► heist movie at the beginning where they [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► don't actually know what they are doing [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► or why they're doing it or who the other [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► people are I i like it when you know you [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► you get to find out along with the [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► characters what is happening and who's [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► got what skills that they reminded me a [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► little bit of the movie cube i don't [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► know if anybody seen that one but a [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► canadian film had a Charlie's Angels [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► moment to because it is like all right [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► here's your mission that's sort of what [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► happens like okay Charlie whatever you [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► say except the doctor is himself Charlie [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► I will check this up also to my a couple [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► people in a couple points in this season [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► with a really excellent guest stars [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► especially actresses who are woefully [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► underutilized in this case you cause who [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► doesn't get much to do as the villain oh [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► yeah and I'll be gentle gentle glasses [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► that's pretty when we are when we get to [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► kill the moon to which is my other [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► problem she's practically whatever her [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► name was Miss foster from the adipose [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► episode right it's like saying weird [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► right almost exactly our time highest [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► III Erica you know this is it goes back [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► to my my previous terrible derogatory [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► statements about certain parts of fandom [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► about but I I don't wanna I'm not okay [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► i'm judging a little bit i was gonna say [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► I'm not judging but but you know there [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► are people for whom those five minutes [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► we're all kind of falls apart will sour [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the entire episode and then there are [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► people who are like yeah it was fun [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► that part doesn't make any sense but it [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► was unbalanced so fun that I didn't care [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► and I fall into that camp with this is [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► like I i wish that five minutes had made [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► more sense because i think it would have [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► made this episode that much better but [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► on balance [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► you know the pace the fund those colors [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► the teller there so there there's the [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► the characters that there was that there [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► with on the heist that was all of that [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► makes a good i will agree with Jason's [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► point i think that the five minutes the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► end that sort of back load everything [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► kept us from being say like my favorite [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► up so the season but it still gets a [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► thumbs up on balance [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah enjoyable absolutely let me [TS]

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00:35:21 ◼   ► is this is a gareth roberts and Steven [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► Moffat joint this is gareth roberts [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► retreading some of the territory of the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► larger I think where it say where it's [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► the doctor tries to sort of pretend to [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► be a regular person in the human world [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► and proves that he does a terrible job [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► at it we get a lot of Danny and Clara [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► and that's why I'm staking a flag and [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► saying I really like this fluids because [TS]

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00:35:47 ◼   ► i'm sorry i really enjoy the fact that [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► he was so bad at being a normal person [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► and is transparently bag that I just [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► found it hilarious from one end to the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► other and he thinks he's so good at it [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► yeah it's just like fault i enjoyed a [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► lot of people thought he was being [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► really mean to Danny I think that kind [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► of goes with the same thing with him [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► being petty earlier like we're getting a [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► doctor who doesn't really is not very [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► nice he's not very good at these things [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► he's a good person underneath but like [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► you know outwardly he's kind of a jerk [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► he doesn't care right he's not [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► suppressing his jerkiness we used to eat [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► cum right i mean he does upstairs in the [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► sense that he cares about other people [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► he just doesn't care about their [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► opinions after this right but the [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► landfill the light for I i agree i think [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► it got this is one of those ones where [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► it but I fell in both sides of it but it [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► ended up in the positive column because [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► I everything dan said absolutely right [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► except i hated the scenes between the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► doctor and Danny it made me so [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► uncomfortable the thinking being that [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► mean [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► and I really didn't like Clara being so [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► dishonest and sneaking Danny into the [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► TARDIS this is the doctors like inner [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► sanctum [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► that's so not cool lady i was i was only [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► with bad but but everything else was [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► just so funny and and the robot the [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► skovox blitzer Blitzer was adorable and [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► particularly threatening but funny [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► yeah and you to see Danny to a flip cute [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► it could destroy the entire Earth but [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► that's over half well the episode or the [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► scene where they have to you know [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► they're like thinking on their feet [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► trying to explain to Danny who the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► doctor like your dad you know like that [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► or it is just like it's hilarious and I [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► it's not a super series upset i think [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► that's what I like about it the monster [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► is there is window dressing and to [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► provide some sort of like credible [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► threat but that's not really important [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► you get Courtney woods being kind of [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► like going back and forth the doctor and [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► the doctor is basically the equivalent [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► of like a thirteen-year-old boy and like [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► so they're just sniping at each other [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► most of the time but they take some the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► TARDIS the end I don't know it just it [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► all kind of falls together kind of [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► nicely for me I I think Erica you're a [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► lot more protective of dr. i understand [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► that i think probably have a lot longer [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► history and so I kind of you know feels [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► more like oh you know he's just a guy [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► and he's always a little bit different [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► in every form to sometimes he's bound to [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► be kind of kind of a grumpy at some [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► point in some ways I think it's better [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► as a viewer to have a loser review like [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► you do with then i'm i'm i'm a little [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► bit set in my ways and crusty and old [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► and I try to recognize that but [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► sometimes we can't help it I I like this [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► one too i like the like tone of it and [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► the fact that it you know again you can [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► take it a little [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► you can take it too seriously it's funny [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► it is in the style of the larger which I [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► hold it where where the doctors [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► convinced that Claire must have a crush [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► on the other teacher is axiomatic miss [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► yeah that was a beautiful [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► yeah i think that did a nice job of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► getting reducing some of the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► uncomfortableness of the mat cameo in [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► the end of the episode the first episode [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► right I feel like that that's almost a [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► better way to handle it is having this [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► like we know there's a relationship [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► there and that there's something that [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► was lost but like dealing with it in [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► sort of a comic aside works better when [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► dealing with trouble trouble maker [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► Kourtney and having him be like Oh [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► troublemaker a and I like how he's [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► always interviewing other possible [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► companions very funny and the fact that [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► she's a troublemaker and that doesn't [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► disqualify you from the dr liking you [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► because he is a troublemaker and I like [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► that too but throwing up on the TARDIS [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► might yeah that yeah that's right you [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► might mind cleaning supplies along in [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► which case you have killed the moon [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► episode 7 new in which in which a the [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► movie moon is killed [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► no that doesn't happen this is a [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► courtney good comes along with the [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► doctor Clara and they go to the moon [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► where there's a space shuttle [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► I guess and nuclear bombs and spiders [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► that aren't spiders but bacteria but [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► they still spin webs but they're totally [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► spiders and I in the end of the doctor [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► runs away leaving Clara and Kourtney and [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► the astronaut who is there with the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► nuclear bombs to determine the fate of [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► the moon and the earth so what do we [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► think of kill the moon the disposable [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► astronauts are like I don't quite know [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► what I'm doing here i shall wonder of a [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► good it was like these poor guys they're [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► not really astronauts we brought along [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► the best we can do they'll get killed it [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► was not know another another [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► underutilize great actress in hermione [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► Norris who is fantastic in spooks and [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► kingdom and a bunch of other stuff and [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► it's just has nothing to do here in an [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► episode that entirely feel so contrived [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► just to bring about the last five [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► minutes and the last five minutes in the [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► argument that Clara and the doctor have [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► is the best part of this episode but it [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► feels like they burned off 40 minutes [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► just to get to that so that we can have [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► this moral argument between the two of [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► them and it there did for that removes [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► all the stakes for me and everything I [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► didn't care what you used to do I didn't [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► fit so there's some fantastical elements [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► of this writing the moon [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► I mean they've right off there like a [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► there's gravity on the moon something [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► weird is going on because we don't want [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► to pay to do special effects where [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► gravity is lighter so we're just going [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► to say that there's more gravity now and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► they're the spiders and there's the but [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► they're only germs and the moon is an [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► egg but it's going to I mean right the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► moon is an egg is a great kind of crazy [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► statement to make the moon is a negative [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► it's about the hatch that is actually [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► kind of brilliant but everything around [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► is like and then they'll be another [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► it'll have another egg and movie night [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► moon and it was another English things I [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► thought was telegraphed way too early in [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► the episode I just I don't know if it [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► made sense to me very early on and I [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► kept being like guys guys attaching its [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► hatching come on catch up [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's it's I like this is what [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► I said before I like the fact that this [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► the story is so different and the tone [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► is so different it's so strange and that [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► the moon is an ache idea is so bizarre [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► that said this is funny because this is [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► the the one episode of the TV podcast [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► this season that I wasn't on because [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► they were playing an 18-inning long [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► baseball camp and so huh [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► so some nice gentleman recorded a [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► podcast instead I was right i find that [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► fight because the people who listen to [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► TV would be like [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► so Jason what he likes every episode [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► well that's because i wasn't on the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► killing moon episode because i didn't [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► like kill the moon i love all of its [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► attempts to be different but I thought [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► it was terrible i thought the doctor [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► later is is inconceivable the doctors i [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► won't make any sense I gotta go [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► i I don't I don't entirely agree with [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► the people criticize this and said that [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► it's a pro-life message because this is [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► essentially saying you've got a spare [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► the spare the baby i i get where they're [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► coming from but I don't think that was [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► the intent of this episode and I like [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► the fact that the doctor is empowering [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► women to decide whether the earth lives [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► or dies and whether this egg hatches or [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► not but the fact that the doctor would [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► after 50 years of intervening in order [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► to protect humanity decides to run away [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► time here either 11 either he's a coward [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► or or two he's playing head games with [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► Clara in order to have her make a [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► decision that he already knows what [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► she's gonna make it either way it's not [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► good and I don't like it so and plus [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► then oh and they laid another egg that [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► looks exactly like the moon the end [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► right convenient [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► yeah this is one where I mean I think [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► there are things I liked about it and I [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► think if I enjoyed the experience of [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► watching it but overall with probably [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► not one of my favorites in this series [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► because I i liked like you said you know [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► the empowering women there are three [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► women and all of the men in the episode [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► either run away or are bumbling idiots [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► and get killed off one by one like it [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► it's a pretty it's a pretty [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► female-centric episode which we help [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► kind of cool [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► however I I feel the same way about the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► doctors actions and maybe this comes [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► back to me being overprotective of the [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► doctor but I i hated watching him act [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► that way that did whether it maybe I can [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► hand wave it and make it makes sense [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► because he's pretty damaged and broken [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► in in this incarnation and still trying [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► to figure himself out so so maybe it [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► kind of does make sense that this is the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► time that he chooses to to stop [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► intervening and run away and and let the [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► ER thurs make the choice but i hate and [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► repeated watching that happen and i [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► think also it's not entirely fair [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► because Hermione Norris is the only one [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► that's actually of that Earth both Clara [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► and you know this teenager Courtney who [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► readin [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► really she hasn't had a whole lot of [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► life behind her yet to make these kind [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► of big decisions they're from a [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► completely different time so it it just [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► didn't make sense and i do agree that [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► the best scene was at the end with Clark [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► just given the doctor both barrels it [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► was amazingly acted but it once again [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► really uncomfortable to watch and and I [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► I like some some emotions in my doctor [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► who but this was just like it seemed [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► like the whole series kept building and [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► the episodes that had the least amount [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► of the thanks for the ones that I like [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► the best so that's why this one was less [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► enjoyable and this is one more i'll [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► agree all agree with Erica about the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► doctor and the way that he acts feeling [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► cringe-worthy because the other ones [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► where he's being kind of petty that's [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► one thing but to abdicate responsibility [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► as Jason pointed out when he's been [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► doing this for so why is this the point [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► why is this the one that he has to walk [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► away from that doesn't make any sense at [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► all like that is not something we've [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► ever seen before to me this is the [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► inconsistency in the character whereas [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► everything else he did even if it's [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► unbecoming at least with was consistent [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► with the characterization that we've [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► been presented of this incarnation of [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the doctor so I just don't get it and it [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► feels contrived to make that it like to [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► set up that argument yeah and it's just [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► catches feels it feels like to me this [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► was the worst episode of the season [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► hands down for me [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► yep i agree with you i think david mr. [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► McNulty and I spent an enormous amount [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► of time going Y on the via TV [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► oh I'm not worried my dear God I didn't [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► like the gravity I hate the heat episode [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► where there's pseudoscience but they [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► don't do the hand wavy thing so it's [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► like it's one thing if you invent some [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► kind of ridiculous scientific principle [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► and then stand by its other like there's [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► more gravity is like there is not wear [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► the mask come from [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► give me the most lame explanation about [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► sucking this is really something like [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► university their bacteria but they they [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► only look like spiders but they said [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► well and web mining that's why just just [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► just have a parallel universe that it's [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► sucking energy out of and I'd be okay [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► with it but no rap and parable yeah [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► metaphor myth-making okay like I said [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► foot lot of credit for it as as [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► audacious is this suit is the moon isn't [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► egg but execution-wise yeah and and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► undercutting the doctor and and his [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► character in order to get his argument [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► with Claire at the end which I don't [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► agree with Dan totally is why he does [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► what he does he does it so that they can [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► have an argument at the end not because [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► it makes any sense becoming the scripts [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► traded right out I mean otherwise you [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► can have the doctor caught under [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► something heavy and be like is heavy you [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► make the decision right that doesn't [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► happen he could be trapped watching an [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► endless baseball game and she has to [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► make the discuss rates the 18th inning I [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► have to go [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► yeah I enjoyed watching bits and pieces [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► of it though because I didn't think that [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► there was fun [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► there was some tension and get some [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► excitement and they really did you know [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► Hinchcliffe the bleep out of ya the [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► first 15 minutes then and there was some [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► mystery and and that you know I didn't [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► know what was going on so when you [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► ignore some of the reasons that things [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► were happening and just just go with the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► flow i enjoyed a lot of that part I like [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► the space base [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► I like the moon scenes that they were [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► like I thought that looked kind of [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► cordial for Doctor Who right especially [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► it's like wow they're on the moon that's [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► nice but but the story [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► yeah okay the moon we've killed it [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► mommy on the Orient Express is next [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► which when I heard this title I thought [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► well this is like a holdover from last [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► season where they had the wild titles [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► and the super broad episodes and like [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► like time heist this is a you know this [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► is a story of a of a certain type it is [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► on a space train and there's a murderous [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► mummy and it's as broad ax an idea as as [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► as possible i watch this one in a [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► different hotel room with dan was i [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► Oh No within more and we watch this in [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► montreal and then we did a podcast how [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► did the two experiences compare i watch [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► on a TV yeah we watched on TV in a [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► topsia because dan had the right cables [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► I i thought this episode was really fun [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► right that it was fun and when it had [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► great jokes and have a good pace this [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► episode felt more like classic Doctor [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► Who than anything I have seen in a long [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► time you just had the ceiling of the old [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► school doctor who episode that wasn't [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► taking itself too seriously was just [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► sort of having a good time and I enjoyed [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► the heck out of [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► beginning to end and in contrast to the [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► last episode when stuff happens like and [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► doesn't make quote-unquote sense like [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► the 66 seconds things they come up with [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► an explanation and that explanation [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► doesn't need to be like perfectly [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► sensible but excited x it's an [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► explanation of the great that's fine [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► that's consistent with the world that [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► you've created here [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► all we ask is that you wave your hand [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► okay just exactly waving is all we need [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► and i like that it was a monster that [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► was again not really a monster like it [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► was a it was not a sentient thinking [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► being right it was a had a program to [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► run sort of and it wasn't malevolent it [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► was just doing what it was supposed to [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► do and I kind of dug that [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► yeah it's a little bit recycled from the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► empty child or something like that where [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► it's this dress so just like in program [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► half of mother's story of see I know I I [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► wasn't adopted child but yes we could [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► list them all but it it serves the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► purpose of being an interesting threat [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► and you get the you get the engineer who [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► helps the doctor and you get the scene [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► at the at the locked door in the train [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► that is pretty good and yeah it is your [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► right Erica it is a this is a classic [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► Doctor Who story if ever there was one [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► they they in fact you might be able to [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► watch it and point out the various [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► cliffhanger breaks in the middle of it [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► oh yeah and even down to like the feel [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► of the stunt casting they used to do [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► that every once in awhile and classic [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► who bring in somebody who is really well [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► known in this case it's frank skinner [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► who is a very noted like huge hardcore [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► doctor who fan who apparently was [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► watching I think episode 2 of the sensor [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► rights when he got the news he was going [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► to be on Doctor Who like that's that is [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► a hardcore doctor who fan and as soon as [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► they knew that he was going to be in an [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► apparently Jamie Matheson who also is a [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► stand-up comedian like Frank Skinner is [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► started like putting in some more lines [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► and stuff for him so very much had to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► feel that this is the the throwaway [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► character that you're supposed to be [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► paying attention to he kind of got the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► spotlight and it felt classic to me [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► although I will say my my younger son [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► looked up every time the train you know [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► you'd see the outside of the train and [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► cya on the polar express yeah [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► aside from that CGI space i just wonder [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► i still wonder if it runs into the [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► state's Titanic I like the fact that [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► this is actually resolving in the end of [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► Matt Smith's first yes [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► a phone call about the Orient Express in [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► space and in this episode what we're [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► told is that this guy whoever has been [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► trying to get him to come on this train [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► has been trying to do it for a while now [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► and he's never managed to make it there [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► so we we've read cond that phone call [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► back into the whole idea that it's beer [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► and expressing space and we and we don't [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► solve everything either to know like [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► what kind of fun yeah whoohoo said Gus [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► the computer on this path then that's [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► just kind of was it Missy we never I [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► don't know what I mean it doesn't make [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► any sense i just it's out there it's [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► whatever i don't know that we'll come [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► back to it eventually [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► and I hope it will be even half as fun [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► as this episode because if so I will [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► live green thumbs up there [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► ok next is flatline I written by the [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► same written by the author of money on [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► the Orient Express [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► although i think maybe in the opposite [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► order but I don't ya flatline was first [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► and they liked it so much they said here [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► do another one so I'm going about [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► expresses what he came up with like off [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► the top of his head he didn't even have [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► like a an idea what I think I think [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► Steven Moffat gave him money on the [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► Orient Express and said go right that [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► whatever just figure it out but flatline [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► he came he came within this is this is [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► the the target shrinking the doctor is [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► trapped inside there are two dimensional [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► monsters and the end Clara has to sit on [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► a chair to hide from on monsters and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► they get chased into a there's a there's [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► an overpass and then there's some like [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► the inside of a factory and subway [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► tunnels and I you know I I spoiler alert [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► i think maybe this is my favorite [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► episode of the whole season [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► flatline III I loved it I loved the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► monsters i love the jokes i love the [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► fact that the doctor is an increasingly [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► small box but he doesn't get any smaller [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► and so he becomes like cousin it from [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► the addams family not the monsters [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► although I said the monsters on the TV [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► podcast because I don't I can't tell the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► difference between those shows monster [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► shows from a million years ago uh I I [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► loved I loved so much about this i love [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► the Clara becomes the doctor and she's [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► got her own companion who was rigsy and [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► there and they investigate all this and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► there's the giant hand comes up grabs [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► people which like such a great shock I [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► loved flatline I everything about yeah [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► this was probably my absolute favorite [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► of the season because it was it was [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► different it was knew it was you know it [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► had all the things that a good doctor [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► who has but it did kept you guessing it [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► kept you on the interview see I know the [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► two-dimensional monsters are are [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► effectively creepy especially because [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► you don't understand their motivations [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► even by the end of it like maybe they're [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► just trying to figure stuff out [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► I don't know but they was going to say [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► hello yeah but it was creepy especially [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► the one with all the like the the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► graffiti of all the people in the subway [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► underpass in the subway tunnel [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► yeah like that was it was pretty cool i [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► liked it this was the one that freaked [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► out the kids [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► well like the reveal that we weren't [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► sure who this could be okay they're in [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► trouble communicating remind me of the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► star trek episode in which the you know [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► the sub was a subspace creatures with [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► the strange items that schism yeah [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► that's a creepy episode that's a craving [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► that never comes back later but it's [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► remind you that it's like well maybe [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► they're trying to communicate maybe they [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► don't know what they're doing [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► oh no I love it was always like to give [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► him the benefit of the doubt [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► oh you think they're really good no i [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► don't but we gotta give him the benefit [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► of the advantages and see that is very [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► dr. Wright said that is that is him to a [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► tee which is I want to listen to them [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► but I don't they're gonna kill us you [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► know if that I'm heist had been a [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► pastiche of any genre other than heists [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► this would be my friend and favorite of [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► the series by just my my high school of [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► overrides it [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► yeah just a little bit not buy a whole [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► lot though because I completely agree [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► this was this is fantastic it was just [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► it was so exciting and so different and [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► I adored the interaction between Clara [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► on the outside of the doctor on the [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► inside especially knowing that they shot [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► it completely separately because these [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► were double-booked double Bank episodes [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► which is why they're not the same seems [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► very often and Clara being the doctor [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► and the doctor being like don't you dare [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► and she just [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► oh she's an excellent doctor she's [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► really really good [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► this might be the only episode as much [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► as I love the whole series with mild [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► exceptions [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► you know I've said this is the best [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► sustained stretch of episodes i think in [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► the new series for me but this was the [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► only one where there wasn't anything [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► that made me stop and go what what that [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► didn't quite connect I mean this was [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► just flat out flat out beautiful yes [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► flat-out beautiful from being actually i [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► have i have one one problem with this [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► episode and that is I think the boneless [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► is a stupid name [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► yeah and I take issue with it i call [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► them flatliners I i also might my [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► complaint about this episode is that uh [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► Clara receives a phone call from Danny [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► while almost dying and one decides to [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► answer it and to decides to lie and say [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► no I'm fine there's nothing going on why [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► would why why because my wish maybe she [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► thought that would be her last chance to [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► hear his voice yes maybe I don't know [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► I'm just grasping at straws here they [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► have a lot of awkward phone [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► conversations this season I'm saying is [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► one of two dimensional creature is [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► trying to kill you [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► donates the phone just now speaking from [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► experience [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► yeah just I think that happens that's a [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► good 1i like that in fact Jamie Matheson [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► the guy who wrote this and let me orient [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► express i start to put him in line of [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► like hey if you need if you need to [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► bring writers back and if you need to [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► think about future people who might be [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► able to run the show say this name away [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► because I don't know about showrunners [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► showrunning is a very different skill [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► set from writing good script so what I [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► would do is say you highland you hire [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► Neil cross of Luther fame to run the [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► show and he brings on Jim Matheson says [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► write me some episodes too and then I [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► would those because those are the two [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► fines for me of the last two years or [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► meal cross and doing math and reading [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► doctor who both bang-up jobs so you know [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► yay [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► time for a little break to talk about [TS]

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