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00:00:25 ◼   ► the incomparable number 230 January 2015 [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► welcome back everybody the incomparable [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► podcast host Jason still we I'm [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► convening a very large edition of our [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► comic book club to talk about a [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► comic-book chosen by the first person [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► i'm going to introduce to Lisa [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Schmeisser Italy charter member of the [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► comic book club hello hi it's nice to be [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► here and and you chose promethea my and [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► alan moore available where comics are [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► sold on the internet and elsewhere and [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► and we are going to be talking about the [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► first couple of trades so if you have [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► not read any of it and you don't want to [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► be spoiled you should go read the first [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► couple trades and then come back and and [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► a welcome back thanks reading those [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► trade see what i did there anyway the [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► other members of our comic book club [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► tonight Tony sindelar hi Tony [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► hello nerds I don't have anything [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► quickly to say about committee except [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► that i read it i'm here to talk about it [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► well good i do the homework [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► hello nerds I did the homework mont [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► actually also here hi Monty hello that [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► this is our world now reading comic [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► books his homework [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► yes the Nerds one and that they have an [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► assignment for you sleep with the [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► weeping gorilla says and in episode [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► we've been girl I gotta read comic books [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► homework [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► yes your streams down the weakened [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► condition there's one and this is our [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► world now Erica and sign is also out [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► there hello hello yes i have learned [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► that reading comic books can be like [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► homework [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► ah very nice yeah and since that's [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► foreshadowing and chips others is also [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► out there hello [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► it's an honor to be here to talk about [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► one of the most important comic creators [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► ever [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► and I'm talking of course about letter [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Todd klein yes he said that's amazing [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► no i'm serious i love his work yeah i [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► was making notes about how good his [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► lettering was in the Attic book [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► oh my God he's already promised look [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► Monty don't do that it was digital i was [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► writing on my screen [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► okay well don't write on your screen [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► monitor that's terrible [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► alright Lisa why did you pick promethea [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► and have us read it and I'm not judging [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► here well maybe a little bit of you [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► don't use yeah I had a few reasons for [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► picking it up one [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► it's relatively old so it's easy to get [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► used copies for cheap [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► oh yeah maybe 9 and 15 exactly one of my [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► goals for having one of the things I'm [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► trying to do with or I'd like us to do [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► with kaka club this year is introduced [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► comics to people who really don't have [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► time everyone stay to pop into a shop [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► and read and so I thought well if it's [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► an older home me and if its older comic [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► you can get used which means that it's [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► not a big financial strain either and [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► that was another reason I'm the second [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► reason I chose promethea is the book is [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► completely done so we could if we wanted [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► to assess it as a whole body of work we [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► can talk about this comic knowing full [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► well that Alan Moore is not going to add [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► on like another five issues and [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► completely torpedo everything we think [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► about it right so it's a finite [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► closed-loop it's not like when you talk [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► about a TV series and the Creator hit [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► the reset button I mean this is done [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► it's close it's a finite thing [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the third reason I chose it is because [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► it's a deconstruction of the superhero [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► genre and it's also equals in a really [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► weird religious direction and i was just [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► fascinated by i was fascinated by it by [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► the fact that he said you know I'm going [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► to do I'm going to take the Wonder Woman [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► myth and i'm going to mix it up with a [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► whole bunch of mystical stuff and see [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► what comes out the other side [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► the fourth reason I chose it was because [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► it is the most optimistic [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic work I've ever run [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► across and given the amount of a [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic dystopian fiction we've [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► talked about here I thought to be kind [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► of refreshing to to approach something [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► that's all trial on the end of the world [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► her ray and finally the fifth reason is [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► to me it's the most Alan more thing he's [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► ever written it is it is if if you had [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► to take a look at his body of work and [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► a pic something that distills the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► essence of our more down to one book [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► this would be the book to do it there's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► just enters layer upon layer upon layer [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► and so and finally as I was rereading it [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► the the reason that bubble for my [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► subconscious is this book is now old [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► number we can use it as kind of a [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► historical artifact of the nineties [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► because i'm pretty sure that's when he [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► started thinking about it and writing it [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► and it's fun to see this as an artifact [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► of where comics were going in the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► nineties and works where societal [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► attitudes were two and then to compare [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► them to what we're doing today [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► so those are all my reasons alright fair [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► enough i I am so i started the one of [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► the reasons I I said let's absolutely do [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► this i mean one is I've read a lot of [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► alan moore and not just the you know [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► watchman and be for vendetta and from [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► hell and swamp thing but also his [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► latter-day comic stuff like Tom strong [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► and top 10 on and on on one level I [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► think you're right that it is very alan [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► moore E&I in all ways including you know [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► the all the great ways and also all the [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► terrible ways yes um I think I think [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► it's all in there any other reason i was [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► fascinated by this is because i was i [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► was thinking about wonder woman and you [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► know with a lot of talk about whether [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► there would be a Wonder Woman movie [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► after various failed TV series which [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► they've announced they are going to do a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► Wonder Woman movie now and um also I [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► went and saw a play called lasso of [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► truth which is actually about the guy [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► who invented wonder woman which is a [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► fascinating story in unto itself [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► I have you read the Jill Lepore article [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► which is exempted from her longer booked [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► on the origins of wonder woman I i [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► haven't although I feel like I since I [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► saw an entire play that it's probably [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► none of its new but like that the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► polygamous relationship and that's the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► name undertones and his pretty strong [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► feminist feelings and all of that yes [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► and in fact he is the creator of the [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► love the love the light detectors to the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► man who invented Wonder Woman's lasso of [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► truth also invented the actual last [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► three the white detector [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► I'm in the middle of that book and it is [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► great I thought I knew everything about [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► him but he's a real [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► we're do there's lots more yeah so I I'm [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► that fascinates me that promethea is [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► this you know Alan Moore post modern [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► take on Wonder Woman as well which is [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► this is a mythological figure that is [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► sort of like superimposed on top of a [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► regular girl and creates this creates [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► this kind of superhero Malcolm and so [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► that was it looks like a pretty rich [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► stew to jump into and and and you're not [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► supposed to jump into a stew but that's [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► what i did i jumped into it was like a [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► hot tub full of stew emperor has jumped [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► right in any way and I found it [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► fascinating i don't know where we go [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► from here what with elisa would you like [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► to throw something out because like I [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► said I feel like I feel like this is [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► your baby [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► so the first question I wanted to bring [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► up to the crowd at large was exactly how [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► much do you think more knew about Wonder [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► Woman's history and the Creator because [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► one of the themes that I notice pops up [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► through the course of the first two [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► trades and what I'm going to say I feel [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► like we should respect we should try to [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► focus the discussion on the first two [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► trades because that's what almost always [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► have read and can contribute to but [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► what's the problem what seems to pop up [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► over and over again is the idea of the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► crater as somebody who has an innate [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► streak of of iconoclasm and that and he [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► comes back that over and over again [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► where the very nature of being a [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► creative person sets you apart from the [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► mainstream and it's also something that [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► while it allows you to contribute to the [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► world and ultimately damages you because [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► as they point out in the comic books [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► promethium for those are you catching a [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► Promethean is is basically the [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► ratification imagination she's the [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► living avatar of imagination she was [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► original little girl to God's pulled her [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► into the material which is the room [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► imagination is so basically she's a [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► living avatar when people imagine her [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► she can possess them or they can become [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► her living avatar and earth and over the [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► course the first two books you get [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► introduced to a series of artists or [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► artist muses who had imagined and and [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► and loved and become invested promethea [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► and so they came for me for themselves [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► and as one of the points out every [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► single one of them died as a result of [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► engaging in the Smith creating this myth [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► and becoming this myth [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► so what I wonder about is is do you [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► think alan moore new a whole lot about [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► Wonder Woman or is this just a general [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► larger statement on creativity [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► um yes he'll check on that Chicago is it [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► had to be both I mean I'll alan moore is [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► is a genius about the comics field and [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► is is it [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► he's an artistic formalist who really [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► digs in deep into comics and tries to [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► make this dries to make them do things [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► that they've never done before but it's [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► all about the art form itself so he had [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► to know how about the history and all [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► and all that but at the same time at the [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► same time it it turns into such as [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► meditation on imagination itself that [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► I'm reading this thing and all i can [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► hear in the background as a magician [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► Doug Henning in the background talking [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► about in the mountain a mission [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► oh that's worth of imagination everybody [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► here maybe you are worlds avatar [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► Prometheus win the war [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► ok actually let me go around one table [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► um who is your favorite permuting out of [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► out of the ones that we get introduced [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► to everyone [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► did everybody find one they identified [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► with her is there one that you liked or [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► disliked or really related to like what [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► are your emotional responses to the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► different Prometheus and I mean I like I [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► want to start by saying I like the fact [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► that there is in the in the you get [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► introduced to promethea through the [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► current holder of of promethea mhm who [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► is aging and a band and Barbara yeah and [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► she's not really up to it anymore [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► yeah it and that's interesting and very [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► traditional comical care right like the [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► Gold Eagle the but yet Golden Age hero [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► is about to retire but the Silver Age [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► hero is going to step in and become the [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► new promethea right but what I love is [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► that then when / media visits the the [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► land of imagination she finds everybody [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► who's ever been promethea basically [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► hanging out by a pool and talking to [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► each other and there's like essentially [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► Greek chorus of Prometheus and I i love [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► that as a concept to the fact that like [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► the whole Prometheus squad is there as [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► promethea [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► to comment on what's going on and to [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► help her out i think that that takes it [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► to a whole other level from the you know [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► you just meet your you know the mentor [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► the originator know you mean everybody [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► was at the job [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► yeah the greatest thing yeah yeah so I [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► thought that was I thought that was [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► really cool [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► I'm my favorite promethea is Margie a [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► little help hardly be there between to [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► work and I get defensive over and also [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► just because i love Little Nemo in [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► Slumberland so i'm totally in for any [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► references or in this case out right [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► back off some of the concept I honestly [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► had trouble remembering who is who I [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► trouble keeping them keeping them [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► separate in my mind I was constantly [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► having to go back and be like okay which [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► one is this and what's their deal so I [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► wouldn't say I had a favorite because I [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► struggled so much to remember who was [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► who [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► yeah i'll be boring and say that sophie [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► was my favorite but one of the things [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► that I noticed was that their voices [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► they they occasionally become very [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► specific and distinct and otherwise and [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► at other times they talk like each other [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► and I don't know how I don't know how [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► purposeful that was but it also made it [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► difficult for me to tell them apart [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► sometimes you have to really pay [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► attention to the costuming and [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► everything else and I think you know [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► they're supposed to be different aspects [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► of the same character but luckily for me [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► Margie not only doesn't talk like [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► everyone else she had better anything to [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► talk fine being a genius [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► yes she's not even really a Prometheus [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► she just sort of she's just heard this [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► annoying tag along the cartoon character [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► or in a comic book that makes some sense [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► yeah i guess if I had if I had to pick a [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► favorite it would be Sophie bangs mostly [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► simply because i felt like i was kind of [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► on the journey with her she had no idea [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► what was going on at the beginning in [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► and I had no idea what was going on [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► either so therefore she was my my [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► identification character [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► well I mean yeah I mean that that's good [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► night and like I really like i like [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► Barbara and the fact that she's dealing [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► with the fact that she's passing this is [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► the end of her life essential and she's [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► passing this torch to Sophie and then [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► you know inevitably she's gonna pass [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► into the the realm of imagination i will [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► throw a shout out to Bill [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► because I i think the idea that a [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► closeted gay male artist who drew [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► promethea and sort of uh I idolized her [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► and then that plotline me that he takes [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► where he becomes promethea and falls in [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► love with a man who doesn't realize that [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► this is a man who's turned into a woman [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► and ends up getting killed as a result I [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► I thought that was poignant and also [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► quite an interesting like if you're [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► gonna have this wall of Prometheus to [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► have that be be one of the twist i [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► thought was was really brilliant and I [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► could also identify which promethea was [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► Bill so how do i do that that one is [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► delicate the planet is gonna love that [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► little rings around the legs yeah or [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► know what I think of what i thought was [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► interesting when I went back through and [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► looked at him is one of the reasons i [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► love Barbara is because I feel like over [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► the course the book you're also getting [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► a look at the it isn't in sort of a [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► subtle meditation on the impact that [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► created a creative life has on a [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► relationship and the feedback loop [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► between the creator of their partner and [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► and how much it might be a joint [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► endeavor and how much of it isn't [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► because remember Barbara says well he [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► used he used me as his model for his [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► imagination for promethea I don't have [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► his imagination which is why I basically [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► look like myself and help in the costume [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► right but she's even soup and that's [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► fascinating she becomes Promethean not [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► not the writer but but the music his [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► wife [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah she's the model and um I [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► realize we're restricting this to the [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► first two books but in the third there's [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► actually a really lovely sequence where [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► you do get to see more about their [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► relationship and it is very end it [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► really it it makes me wonder if alan [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► moore was was saying something about you [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► know this is this is the reality of what [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► it's like to be the person who's in love [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► with the creative force this is the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► reality of what it's like to be a [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► creative person who has the need to love [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► and connect with somebody and pull them [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► into their endeavor even if they don't [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► fully understand it so so i really like [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► Barbara for that reason I really like [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► Barbara and Bill i do want to interject [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► though that one of the things that make [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► me a little uncomfortable reading this [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► book is that they're all these feminist [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► statements [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► we're in a time right now with gamer [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► date and everything else going on [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► I kept in the back of my head I don't [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► know Alan Moore very well as far as is [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► and personal life and life is outside of [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► comics and things like that but i felt a [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► little bit like I was being mansplain 2m [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► that the guy telling the story has [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► Barbara looking older and overweight and [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► unattractive bill has it still has his [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► gender issues becomes a her and I almost [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► would have felt more comfortable if it [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► hadn't been alan moore writing this but [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► if this had been woman writing it that's [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► it was funny as I actually felt almost [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the opposite because when you get to the [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► whole tantric sex scene no the cup and [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► the wand and the cup in the wand and I'm [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► like I got really really know who's back [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► to that I could hear and that's why I [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► roll my eyes I say hello to taro and [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► it's all and you look at the city on the [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► cards and you notice the harlot at one [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► point and i went back and took a look [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► and I thought well on the one hand he's [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► got this whole Prometheus a woman and [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► she's imagination but on the other hand [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► he's got some pretty gender determinist [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► ideas going on and so I was a little [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► uncomfortable with the book on that [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► level because I feel like he starts off [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► strong by pointing out that imagination [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► should in theory make general fluid in a [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► construct but then it turns into but [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► know the laws of the universe are that [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► man and woman in and ask really thus [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► were going with it i'll just i'll just [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► briefly point out that the year after [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► promethea ended is the year lost girls [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► finally came out so well anybody else [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► here comes to reading loss girls i read [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► it i own it you on it yeah for sudo [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► artistic ok where he he only reads it [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► for the article know it is [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► yeah well it's actually one of the most [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► angry and emotionally disturbing of his [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► work and i'm not i'm not being arch [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► about that it was some it'sit's general [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► generally speaking there's a lot of [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► anger on that and there's a sequence in [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► the first two books again where there's [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► like those two demons for hire to go [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► after Sophie early on [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► and they they call the cab driver what [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► he's doing to his granddaughter and a [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► handgun and I was like okay I've this is [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► clearly a theme that he's working on [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► because it comes up again and again the [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► damage that people can do two children [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that that's like a huge thread that runs [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► your loss girls and I thought it was [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► interesting that he puts it out there [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► and then he gives the reader this this [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► some almost unearned sense of catharsis [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► with oh don't worry bad people will go [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► get their comeuppance because there are [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► forces in the University give it to them [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► so that was something that stuck with me [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► it it didn't the first time I read the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► series but you know the first of the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► series I had lost girls huh [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► so there you go oh well i tried to just [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► come back i tried to do some background [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► because I'm like Shirley other comic [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► sites have tackled this let's see if [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► anybody's done this and I kept burning [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► cross these essays forever like I I [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► don't know what to say and this made me [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► think of the biggest question I want to [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► ask you guys which is do you think that [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► this book might be perhaps a little too [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► complex with too many layers sisters and [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► systems in meeting [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► yeah or or or you know are we struggling [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► because we may be used to reading really [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► complex pros novels but when you get so [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► many different levels of narrative like [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► you having a graphic novel where is all [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► of this visual imagery on top of the [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► text and you have to negotiate the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► relationship between them to do you [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► think maybe we're getting like what [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► basically amounts to four times the [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► complex novel is this the part where I [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► say yes again yes this time this time i [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► was reading it on my computer so i was [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► using guided view from panel to panel [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► I've lifted the guided view which I [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► never used to say let's see what the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► person who did guided view things i [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► should look at the end to this is a [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► comic that breaks comiXology it is [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► because so many so much of the design is [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► here's the whole page isn't that amazing [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► and guess what are these panels go there [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► is overdoing it was like here's some [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► panels now let's zoom out now we're [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► gonna go back in now come back out [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► no man as I was I was looking at the [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► sequence where Sophie is is busy [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► BIP BIP bopping through it's the it's [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► the last issue in trade paperback number [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► two [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► yes chapter 6i have Magnus's about this [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► issue the stupid scrabble tiles at the [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► bottom [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► pentagram and oh there's a stupid [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► running joke at the bottom and the joke [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► is done by man in different stages of [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► development oh look there's a history of [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► Western civilization of the top [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► yeah then on top of that you have macro [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► and micro who are busy giving you really [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► bad hackneyed Rhymes and there's the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► it's the Socratic dialogues and I [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► thought to myself only you can only do [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► some comics and then another party was [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► like I was born I always wanted to [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► remove the two snakes in the caduceus [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► were and what their personalities were [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► like no I never wanted to know that what [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► I found out I need to take a sponsor [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► break i want to tell you about loot [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► crate to Crate is a monthly subscription [TS]

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00:20:34 ◼   ► eight items in a box in a crate the loot [TS]

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00:20:39 ◼   ► collectibles unique one-of-a-kind items [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► a whole lot more [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► I just got my first loot crate over the [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► holidays [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► it was really cool my kids liked it I [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► liked it we have distributed equitably [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► the items in the box and even the box [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► was cool looks like a little bat cave [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► inside the box it was really awesome [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► little magazine that goes with it that [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► tells you about the stuff that's and [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► it's a really cool thing you should try [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► it out [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► so in 2015 they wanted the first created [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► the year to celebrate geeky gaming items [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► of the past so they're rewinding and [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► giving Star Wars and Voltron stuff [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► putting those in the box along with some [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► epic geek apparel on a lot more if you [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► are hearing this before January [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► nineteenth at nine p.m. pacific time you [TS]

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00:21:25 ◼   ► going to loot crate calm / Snell and [TS]

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00:21:30 ◼   ► any new subscription to loot crate if [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► you're hearing this after january [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► nineteen then the star wars the Voltron [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► the epic geek apparel you're not going [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► to get that but you know what you can do [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► you can still go to loot crate calm / [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► smell and sign up with february's create [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► what's going to be in February's great i [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► don't know yet although that's one of [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► the beauties of loot crate is you never [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► really know what you're gonna get even [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► if they give you hints the the opening [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► the box is a joy there like a pal who [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► knows the stuff that you love and like [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► to surprise you with awesome stuff every [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► month they shipped to nine different [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► countries there's more [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► nation on the loot crate site and it's [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► not just a subscription services a whole [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► community of fans that are sharing the [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► stuff that's in their crates with each [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► other and showing off what they're doing [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► with it it's a lot of fun so if this [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► sounds cool if having cool geeky stuff [TS]

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00:22:25 ◼   ► again every month and for sponsoring me [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► uncomfortable if you read the script for [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► from hell [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► only every panel has a thousand words [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► describing everything that's in it and [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► explaining all the research he did which [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► is why I think you know everything about [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► William Moulton Marston yeah but it's [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► like this was alan moore deciding i'm [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► just going to put in everything I think [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► of ya [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► yes my entire worldview yeah which is [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► why I think this is like the most [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► quintessentially mauryan thing ever [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► because it's him doing all sorts of [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► fancy intellectual backflips because one [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► of things i do love about legal shorter [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► gentleman for example is how he [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► basically it's basically highfalutin [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► fanfic oh sure it's gotten less [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► highfalutin nothing yet has i got like [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► the one volume or like oh so so so that [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► we have been harvested subject these [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► days that's about where i was like a [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► I'll find some other things treat it was [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► obvious like for a while he really love [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► these characters and love these stories [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► and he loved the idea of trying to fit [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► them together in a hole macro narrative [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► right and so here he's kind of doing the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► same thing where author and Hermes and [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► all thrown floss and i'll throw in the [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► history of the Western world and i'll [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► throw in the Kabbalah and then i'll do a [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► whole lot of commentary on how awful [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► Generation X is and i'll send up the [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► super and after a while you're like dude [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► we get it dialed back man I kind of look [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► at it as sort of have to step back and [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► look at it it's just a work of art and [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► usually anytime i described something as [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► a work of art it means it's not [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► something that I really appreciate it on [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► an emotional level it's something that [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► look at it and say that this [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► intellectually appreciate it took an [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► awful lot of work and I appreciate that [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► that there are this many intellectual [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► backflips that went into it i was i was [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► actually really excited after eating the [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► first trade because I i thought at first [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► that maybe it was going to be a little [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► bit more of a straightforward narrative [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► that you had and i love the idea of the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► land of imagination reminded me of like [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► fantasia from the neverending story but [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► the more we got into the you know the [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► Kabbalah on the Tarot and the mysticism [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► I mean I've read an awful lot of stuff [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► about that sort of thing but i prefer to [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► read about that in a more [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► straightforward you know kind of like [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► this just made me want to go back and [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► reread breaking open the head by Daniel [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► Pinchbeck which is a a real-world story [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► of self-discovery as opposed to this [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► very artsy fartsy version thereof so I [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► just felt like I was it was preaching to [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► the choir and I don't like being [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► preached to [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► and I really don't like being preached [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► you when I have to read like six [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► different types of things are going on [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► the same page [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► some of it in poem haha yeah although I [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► i liked it more than the Invisibles [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► which is grant morrison kind of doing [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► the same thing as yeah okay you know [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► what i'm talking about really sighs you [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► know they're kind of in a similar place [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► in my head where you know very smart [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► people who I respected strongly [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► encouraged me to read them and I got a [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► lot further in prometheus than i did in [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► the Invisibles but like yeah i got i [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► have tried one of the collection of the [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► Invisibles that I have never finished it [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► and I'm not I don't [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► you never will I think you can launch [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the podcast called Lisa grumbles about [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► the Invisibles for 45 minutes and I [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► could probably fill it up for like six [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► weeks some people who have recommended [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► some other very good comics to be really [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► like the Invisibles but like yeah I [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► could not get into it this book reminded [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► me of another grant morrison book an [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► earlier one tho animal man oh man just [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► oh that's oh wow well tied into the loss [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► what was that the Lost Children which [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► was that big old vertical multi [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► crossover that had part of Sandman and [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► it had animal man and had Doom Patrol [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► and know and like 10 feet from the and [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► swamp thing to think it's tied into it [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► somehow and and whatsherface the little [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► girl from Animal Man and then I went [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► back and read grant grant morrison's [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► animal ran around and was like I I don't [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► take enough drugs to read this on a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► regular basis haha but a lot of the same [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► stuff is going on here that that was a [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► series that starts out as a commentary [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► on superheroes and ends as a commentary [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► on comic books and plays a lot of the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► same tricks I thought better than [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► promethea did because Prometheus a [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► polemic and this gets into the third [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► fourth and fifth trade paperbacks mommy [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► there's a big difference between books [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► to one and two and what comes after that [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► it's it's huge it's like it it's like a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► lot more to sit it's time to preach yeah [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► by like by the time you to book five you [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► gotta be in there right and actually i [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► have to say without without being [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► spoilery the very last issue is is the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► voice sort of changes in its it's much [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► more straightforward and it's a lot less [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► you know I don't know if it's a lot less [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► silly i guess i thought so honestly I [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► think my favorite one was the very very [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► last one where it's more just a case of [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► of el amor [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► he just kind of strips away some of the [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► artifice in between himself and their [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► the reader it is basically more just [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► talking straight at you rather than [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► putting it in layer after layer of gauzy [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► weirdness I feel like he kind of insist [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► on doing that at some point it always [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► works that's usually where i get [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► exasperated see i'd rather have that [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► than all the rest of it [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► I want to ask you something and didn't [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► occur to me until I didn't reread a [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► Promethean and then went back and looked [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► at some of his earlier works the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► friendship between stacia and Sophie I [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► wanted to see what you guys thought [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► about that friendship how it reads to [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► you what you think they see in each [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► other and why so much attention is paid [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► to it i hope i never have a friendship [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► like that I just I felt that way that i [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► read it was that they were both such a [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► damaged people who did not really know [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► how to get along and society that they [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► couldn't do any better than each other [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► and I kept hoping that maybe they would [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► just go ahead on separate ways and find [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► some real friends and yeah you guys have [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► read more than me but i have to say that [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► was kind of the stuff that I struggled [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► with the most I mean everything else is [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► so kind of is all this kind of weird [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► fantastic stuff and the stuff between [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► them like just didn't know i didn't find [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► that writing is good and it didn't feel [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► particularly believable [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► I guess yeah because the only the the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► most charitable explanation I can come [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► up with is maybe station is supposed to [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► be more steak on the vacuity or [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► shallowness of Generation X because [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► there's a lot of stuff in here that [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► makes me think that he tends that he [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► really hated the nineties like no [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► because a lot of the aesthetic I i was [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► looking at the trends that station rocks [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► and a lot of it is is very 1990s club [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► kid looking you know what the the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► beehives and the hair colors and things [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► weeping gorilla is basically that if we [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► can google is like the most 1990s thing [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► i can think of you know and especially [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► when he's got that one trackers like i [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► could if i could only listen to just one [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► more Radiohead track and I was like oh [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► there we go [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► but but i was wondering if stations [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► supposed to be his his indictment of oh [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► this is the chat shallow techno obsessed [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► non-critical consumerist generation and [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► their big into pop culture nostalgia and [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► so they're incapable genuine creativity [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► because he has such act of hostility for [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► that character i think that especially [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► the club she's at with the terrible rock [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► lyrics [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► oh yes laughing all over the place [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► that's now are lyrics are like Alan [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► knock it off [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'm i wanted to i want to back [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► up to talk about the edit that issue [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► number 12 again only because this is [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► this is we touched on it briefly but now [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► I kinda want to lower the boom on it be [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► is this I I I like Erica I appreciated [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► the effort [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► good job good effort that went into it [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► and get it the same time I kind of hated [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► yeah and so it reminded me of like an [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► art installation where they might have [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► liked some paintings on the walls and [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► some sculpture and you think oh it's art [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► but there's also like a boom box playing [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► beat poetry on one side and another boom [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► box playing different beat poetry on the [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► other side so it's a cacophony and you [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► don't understand it because there's just [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► too much going on you're completely [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► overwhelmed and then somebody is like [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► yelling footnotes at you [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► that is what that is and it's the entire [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► issues like that and it is alan moore [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► telling us how much research is done and [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► or what his personal metaphysical [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► beliefs about the universe and or tarot [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► cards are and it is it is so far off the [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► rails that it's it's kind of [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► breathtaking to watch somebody with that [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► level of talent when he brings up a [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► Harpo Marx tarot cards are all really [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► wait what [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► dude if you were on some like amanita [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► muscaria mushrooms you would be in linux [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► understanding everything to a degree of [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► clearly an issue 12 and it blew my mind [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► man [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► what I feel like this I actually feel [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► like this book is a huge artifact of the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► nineteen nineties like intellectually [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► and psychically and pop-culture speaking [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► one of the reasons i actually dropped [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► out after my Master's is I was in grad [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► school at the time when [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► deconstructionism was huge and everyone [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► was time we break down the signifiers of [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► meaning and I should we should we should [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► put know by the way deconstructionism [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► met back then did not mean taking all [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► the different ingredients of a sandwich [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► and putting separately on a plate that [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► has never because you know it was [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► shocked terrible and it was a lot of [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► holiness zoo and you need to challenge [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► the the borders that have been ratified [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► by the Academy blogger and I was like I [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► can't really spend another four years [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► pretending that I respect this so i left [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► but there's 12 promethea for you that an [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► issue 12 a Promethean was like honestly [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► it was like the performance art I had a [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► class in the class that actually it got [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► me thinking I need to get the heck out [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► of school was one where are our [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► professor had challenged us to do a [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► creative interpretation of the history [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► of communications technology i am Morse [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► code that's right Joey I am a radio way [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► like there's this one guy who came in in [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► Latin like put himself in a foil box and [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► began reciting beat poetry years there [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► were people who liked it [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► interpretive dances to hypertext and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► jenny holz her stuff and I was like and [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► I was like I can't even I just wrote a [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► regular paper deconstructing the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► creation myths and wired magazine for [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► two years and an issue 12 was basically [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► like sitting through that class all over [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► again and you know what I looked at the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► scrabble tiles and was like oh my God [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► he's done nothing but a mammogram is [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► this is this is I sort of like an [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► immigrant anagrams are what you do in [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► fifth grade you're like whoa if you [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► rearrange letters they need different [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► things are the same set now my mind [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► yeah it's kind of it's kind of a parlor [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► trick I think it's I think it's a shame [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► because I again there's a lot of really [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► great deep interesting material here but [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► it's like I mean at we say this so often [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► on this show in fact it's like it's like [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► there's nobody there because he's a lot [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► more right there's nobody there to say [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► Alan too far [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► dial it back on and there are plenty of [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► people out there who are saying you go [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► Alan maurya genius one of working on [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► Virginia's they feel smarter and having [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► read in this is a work of genius in the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► sense that he's kind of a genius and he [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► did this work that is totally bizarre [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► and out there so there's that [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► likelike again I'm going back to Erica [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► there's that analytical level of like [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► what did alan moore mean when he did [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► that's fine but in terms of like being [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► an an editor or somebody saying what was [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► this what what do we think this was [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► going to be I get to issue 12 unlike [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► nope this is not what we thought this [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► was going to be this is kind of totally [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► nuts and you know I I liked where you [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► were going with the idea of sort of [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► taking me wonder woman kind of tropes [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► and investigating those and and [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► commenting on them [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► we haven't even talked about the fact [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► that you know promethea Sophie [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► is a as as as they see a point out [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► because she's a really good friend that [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► Sophie Sophie is kinda flat chested and [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► promethea is a cartoon character she's a [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► giant she's like an Amazon with big [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► boobs and I you look at that and you [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► think this is a great commentary on the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► you know on individuality and and who's [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► the real person here and how we depict [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► women and and idealization of women and [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► all of that you know this nice rich [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► thing to draw from an issue 12 comes in [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► like oh ok the Big Bang there's a woman [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► with a snake in the sky real seriously [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► the Big Bang is a male ejaculation and [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► then cosmic inflation is a female [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► something that's the second card [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► oh did you see that money 5,000 yeah [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► that what I'm also wondering is we're [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► reading this in 2015 and graphic novels [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► are are pretty much they've come out of [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► the no really they're our basement where [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► they were hunting and because because [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► you have to get over the last decade [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► we've had you know wonderful works of [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► nonfiction reportage and we've had [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► really great contain graphic novels and [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► it's kind of hard to remember sometimes [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► that promethea was spawned as it were [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► when this this this repositioning of [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► comics and graphic novels when that was [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► still pretty ongoing and my senses is [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► that more is smart but he also whether [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► or not he admits that he wants to be [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► recognized as one as a literary genius [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► and favor [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► there's a little bit of trihard to it [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► where you like to just you know maybe [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► four systems of meeting per page not six [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► you know how I think it's important to [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► look at promethea in context when it [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► came out because he was also doing top [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► 10 and Tom strong like that at exactly [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► the same time they all three of those [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► launched within two months of each other [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► and top 10 is good it's not you know [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► annoyingly deep lake from media is and [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► Tom strong is just fun [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► yes so I think at the time he was giving [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► people a range of the Alan Moore's and [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► they could pick which one they liked do [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► you like the one with the talking [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► gorilla and so much so that it was [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► during when you get Tom strong appearing [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► in prometheus later on and it's just [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► like I'm not I'm not [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► i thought i was reading this kind of [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► comic and now we're back to that kind of [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► comic again [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► yeah and I like well I like top 10 and [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► Tom strong and i would say both I like [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► them both enjoyed them both better than [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► promethea but i also will accept in that [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► duality that prometheus is obviously an [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► artist trying to do something big big [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► and about the universe where is Tom Tom [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► strong top 10 or kind of about comic [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► books and i gotta-i gotta make sales [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► I could make some but they're also i [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► mean while I comment on the John run [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► yeah and and then do a twist narrative [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► and and all of that and so I can [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► appreciate Prometheus's ambition level [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► versus top 10 tom strong which I like I [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► also i I don't know sometimes I wonder I [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► try to think about alan moore and [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► forgive me for taking this even further [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► off topic but sometimes I wonder about [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► him in the context of somebody who has [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► sort of done everything there is to do [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► and has been acclaimed as one of the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► greats in his chosen medium and why do [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► you do after that and and then he's got [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► his extra anger about like DC Comics [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► taking advantage of him and all that and [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► so you end up with this like you know [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► what it what's your next acting for him [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► it was america's best comics i'm going [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► to do these different titles [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► I'm gonna you know i'm going to do [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► something super hero we over here and [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► I'm going to do this something [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► mythological over there and I mean it is [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► kind of on one level I mean I have no [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► idea how he turned out all the money [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► from the movie so obviously he's got [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► enough money to live on and doesn't care [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► and can just turn the money down or give [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► it to dave gibbons out of spite for [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► judgment [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► well most of the movies are not making a [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► lot of money that legal ordinary [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► gentlemen movie [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► well that's true but I mean just for [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► that just for the rights my [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► understanding is they keep trying to [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► shovel money and alan moore and he keeps [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► saying give it to the colorist give it [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► to the letter or give it to the artist I [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► don't want it i don't want your filthy [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► money that's fine but so then let's just [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► assume we can do whatever he wants [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► that's kind of fascinating like you you [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► have reached the pinnacle you can do [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► whatever you want and you know and then [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► that puts you in this position we're [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► like all right well I'm gonna do this [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► crazy like kabbala infested uh your [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► woman gets religion [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► let's do that and what I've done with [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► that I'm gonna do pornographic fanfic [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► well retired my giant mansion and [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► worship by snake god my pal Neil rights [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► doubles he's living his best life I [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► think we should talk about that [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► let me take a sponsor break here i want [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► to tell you about mail route imagine a [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► world without spam viruses or bounced [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► email imagine opening your mail and [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► seeing only the legitimate stuff that [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► you want and need to receive you can do [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► this with mail route get spam out of [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► your box get out of your mail server [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► i've been using mail route for quite a [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► while now and it has cleared out my [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► inbox can do the same for you [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► there's no hardware software by mail [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► route as a service that lives in the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► cloud it takes in your mail it uses some [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► serious intelligence to filter out the [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► spam and viruses and other just junk [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► stuff and it doesn't deliver that to you [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► instead it holds onto that stuff and it [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► passes through to your mail server only [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the good stuff so if your desktop user [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► you can find that the user interface is [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► simple and reliable but for you email [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► administrators and IT pros out there you [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► want to check it out they built all the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► tools with you in mind they've got an [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► API for account management they support [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► pretty much anything you'd want from the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► people handling your mail ldap Active [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► Directory TLS male bagging outbound [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► relay all of that stuff no hardware [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► software to buy remove spam from your [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► life for good [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► I did go to mail route dotnet / and [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► comfortable for a free trial and ten [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► percent off for the lifetime of your [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► account i've been using it it's working [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► great my inbox is clearer than it's ever [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► been before [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► check it out and thank you so much to [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► mail route for sponsoring and [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► comfortable that the word I keep coming [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► back to when i think about this is it I [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► feel like he thinks of this as maybe his [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► masterwork because it ties together a [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► bunch of other things it looks like he's [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► really putting himself on the page [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► perhaps more than even in some of his [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► other work in this this really is a [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► worldview in you know in color and yeah [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► good for him [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► I'll see your I'll see your masterwork [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► and I'll raise it to manifest oh yeah [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► okay that works that works is one of the [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► things that I find astounding is how [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► much he seems to hate Western [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► civilization because that comes know it [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► does [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► because the way that he depicts 1999 [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► that's the world that Sophia station [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► it's pretty clear to me that station is [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► a product of that world like purely and [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► holy of that world [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► well he hates modern Western [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► civilization League of Extraordinary [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► Gentlemen later things suggest he really [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► likes like old stuff we've been girl [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► weeping gorilla is is basically that the [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► the stand-in for I hate the way [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► sentiment has been commercialized and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► the bands are basically a stand-in for I [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► hate the way music today as nihilistic [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► and doesn't talk about meaningful things [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► like it did in the 60s and the science [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► heroes are an indictment of of the [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► corporatization of the state and also he [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► really hates the fantastic 40 Giants [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► heroes what are you talking about the [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► five small guys [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► yeah I'm totally different number [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► there's like this alien vs thing in a [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► book number two where I made a note but [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► i'm trying to find it now where it's the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► most ridiculous sterilization that has a [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► solid banging your head against the wall [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► where basically he's talking about how [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► the age of aquarius was so awesome [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► because you have this generation that [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► was totally into spirituality there's a [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► critical mass of people blur blur blur [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► and I'm like are you kidding me with the [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► baby boomers and so this this whole this [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► whole series is pretty much his his [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► contempt for and weirdly enough not his [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► contempt for the baby boomers but rather [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► his contempt for the people who are [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► reacting to baby boomer culture so [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► basically on the one hand it may be as [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► master working on the other hand it's [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► just a little giant standing on the wall [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► no hits he has a giant it's a giant fist [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► raised at the kids saying get off my [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► lawn [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► it kind of feels like that when you when [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► you read through another time you're [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► like wow he really has a lot of contempt [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► for youth culture in this and for modern [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► culture and you know when he's like well [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► the end of the world wouldn't be so bad [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► because we went off track [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► I one of the things I noticed about it [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► and and you know that here's my theory [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► which is the watch watchmen is very much [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► like modern society is doomed and this [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► is like modern society is doomed but [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► it's later and so now he hates a later [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► version of modern society but it's [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► really just whatever is happening he [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► hates it [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► yeah it's a grand old counterculture [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► days that he's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► but he's pining for ya everything else [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► sucks [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► he's a fascinating character back when [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► you can make an honest living as a drug [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► dealer or something that's what yeah [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that's the thing it and this goes back [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► to my my n800 of academic [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► deconstructionism to think we should [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► hate on podcast child actors [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► deconstructionism um but the thing is [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► you can't have a counterculture unless [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► you have account unless you have a [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► culture to specifically define it and [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► like I don't think he realizes that in [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► many ways the counterculture both won [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► and lost because they got commodified so [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► you really can't be counterculture at [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► this point because we've become such a [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► polyglot culture and it's like he [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► doesn't recognize that and his works [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► don't recognize that there's this [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► there's this incredible conformance mass [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► and then there's like two or three [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► people who see the real world and you're [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► like really thats see no it's not how [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► that's not how that's not how it's [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► worked and perhaps because again we're [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► looking at this from the filter of 15 [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► years on where a lot has changed the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► global landscape and you know the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► Internet has has has had the internet is [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► now a fact of life for people there [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► there's a lot of points of view in this [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► book that I i think are really specific [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► to their time like as i was reading I [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► thought you said make a fascinating [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► college class the same way that reading [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► virginia woolf makes a fascinating [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► college class because you don't just [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► read the book what you have to do is [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► understand the context in the history [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► and why it mattered at the time it was [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► created and that's I think is part of it [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► for going back and revisiting promethea [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► I was like wow it is it is starting to [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► read this now it in conduit you know [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► especially 15 years after basically [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► started and realize like how much has [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► changed in how reactionary and and left [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► behind this book filled in some ways I [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► mean it's still a beautiful book i think [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► it will see ya there isn't a single page [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► for the coloring isn't the colors is [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► phenomenal and you know we can rant [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► about how wonderful todd Klein is and [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► they are you know I I really feel like [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► JH williams three means needs a special [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► shout-out yes it's it's a gorgeous book [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► battle use a lot of the ideas behind it [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► and there's there's kind of no heart of [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► this at the middle at the center of it [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► and if you're going to write a polemic [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► or if you're going to be like this is my [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► life this is the culmination of my [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► philosophy like put some put some heart [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► into it i agree with you but I it in the [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► books defense in every single issue [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► there is something in there [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► clever there is something there is some [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► beautiful art in every one of these [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► issues the entire issue as a whole may [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► not hang together at all but there but [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► there is cleverness in here I'm and I [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► take Erica's point about it's a it is a [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► work of art and I take her point about [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► how about that not being a terribly [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► enjoyable statement thing but every once [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► in a while I do like looking at art for [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► art's sake and it may be difficult for [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► me to get emotionally involved in it or [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► for me to appreciate it as a story but [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► it is challenging and there are neat [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► things that happen in every book ok [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► maybe not 36 but we're not anything [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► yeah I think we're being to a little too [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► hard on it that and i think it's it's [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► certainly gorgeous to look at i think [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► it's interesting reading and I think [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► it's fascinating to have a world class [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► weirdo like alan moore it is until it [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► down to his alan murray estate would say [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► this is what I think alan moore of all [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► the Alan Moore's in the world where the [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► alan moore easiest yeah like how [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► ambitious this book is yeah yeah you [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► know that's why I had no I i enjoyed [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► reading it and we'll probably read all [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► of the issues because again i would like [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► to read everything Elmore okay well [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► almost everything maybe not lost girls I [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► has also present he is fat he is a [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► fascinating even when I don't like or [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► agree with what he's doing [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► I'm fascinated to see the a great artist [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► at work and why i like it and don't like [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► it i have to admit there are moments [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► where I feel like he's trolling me as [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► your career because having enjoyed top [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► 10 for example there is a subplot early [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► on involving the five swell guys and the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► painted doll Everett at the hospital [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► that is very twisty plot a superhero e [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► in the same way the top 10 is actually [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► accept its kind of beside the point [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► and its really like you were you're [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► interested in that well that's not what [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► we're telling a story about today and I [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► I even kind of appreciate that but it [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► also reminds me of [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► alan moore when he's focused on telling [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► those kinds of stories and how I mean [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► this is always in the back of my head is [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► alan moore is such a brilliant writer of [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► this this is genre of superhero we kind [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► of stories so good at it and I can tell [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► that he doesn't want to do it [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► yeah and you know he's done it and he's [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► maybe done it better than anybody and he [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► kind of doesn't want to do it again and [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► now he's just playing with me a little [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► bit like see I could do that but i'm not [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► going to and it's his you know it's up [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► to him he doesn't have to write those [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► kinds of stories anymore but he's even [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► when he kind of taunts me a little bit [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► it's like he's so good at it even when [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► he doesn't want to be and you know top [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► 10 reminded me how good he was at it I [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► would love to read a book about those [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► five guys to be honest with you the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► interval goes swell first swell the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► interpersonal dynamics for great um i [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► love them i love the mayor with the [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► pulse width of and personalities yeah [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► yeah and honestly if you know i would [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► have loved a a side book about the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► people who are responsible for weeping [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► gorilla because I iphone just in there [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► ya know I i find yeah it's just it there [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► they're all these details that you know [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► in that you could actually spin out into [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► really rich entertaining books on their [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► own and they're just casually tossed out [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► because this is a guy who's idea whose [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► idea factory never shuts down i'm [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► clearly well you know i feel i was for [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► rewarded when i get through his books [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► and then go back and i picked this [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► because you know it really is engaged [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► reading on on a huge level and one of [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► the comic book series i've been reading [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► kind of as a palate cleanser between us [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► I've been going back and revisiting the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► mike grell run on green arrow which was [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► written but you know so it's books that [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► are like the ladies and it's you know [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► total total shift its in lab it's [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► literally like a palate cleanser it's a [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► sorbet to the the gourmet work about [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► more and it makes me appreciate them [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► both a whole lot more important without [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► more like I'm effectively reading 10 [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► books at once and and that got me to [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► thinking what I have this reaction if it [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► were in a different medium if your prose [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► or if it were a TV show and and it did [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► this or or is [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► this type of story that you can only [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► tell in comics I don't know [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► Lynda Carter would have made me [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► interesting promethea but I think [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► there's a lot of women who have made [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► sure he was just a lawless would be [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► great to actually you're right Lucy [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► Lawless basically Barbie she be a [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► fantastic Barbara oh my god i don't know [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► Alan Moore man my eye I have my own like [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► 10 different versions of watchmen I mean [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► and I think I've got it i mean i think [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► i've got a couple a couple v for [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► vendetta and I from hell I mean I i am [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► fascinated by Alan Moore that oh yeah [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► and all and all he does and this is this [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► is this is good it's just there are [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► those moments where I feel like a lot [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► more pulls us aside and ok sit here now [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► and let me tell you a little bit of [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► value it would you like to subscribe to [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► my newsletter that is called dodjem [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► logic there's one piece of dialogue i [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► wanted to make fun of just just really [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► briefly just one pic yes there's a [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► moment when I think it's Barbara [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► Prometheus says I'm freaking promethea [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► you idiot [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► yeah and reading that now really [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► reminded me of Frank Miller's dialogue [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► for all-star batman and robin oh-ah I'm [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► going to steal Erica's role here and i'm [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► going to make the obligatory doctor who [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► reference alright I when I light [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► Ghostlight seventh seventh doctor [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► episode where they crammed in so many [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► ideas into three episodes and the and [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► fandom is hugely divided over whether it [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► is genius or whether it is overall [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► incomprehensible nonsense [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► yeah principle not that I think Eric and [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► I are both on the incomprehensible [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► nonsense team here and and I get this [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► feeling over like I do get this feeling [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► over promethea where I where I am [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► struggling i'm struggling through the [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► cool stuff and the cool art and trying [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► to figure out if this is a really a good [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► use of the medium you know I think for [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► me it was a sound very negative about [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► this and I think that the reason for [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► that is simply because they didn't know [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► what I was getting into my expectations [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► worst kind of like I said set up to be [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► one thing if I had known what it was [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► going to be going into it and had was [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► able to sort of shift my mind to be [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► ready for that i think i would have [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► would have liked it more but since i was [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► expecting something a little bit more [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► straightforward it was disapointing to [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► have that that shift but but i do really [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► think that it was beautiful on both [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► surface levels and incredibly deep [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► levels i mean if there's a lot of good [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► in here it [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► this may not be for me but I am honestly [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► glad that it exists and I I wouldn't [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► change a thing [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► I think i'm totally with you Erykah i [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► mean i feel like i watch and read and [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► listen to a lot of stuff that's kind of [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► junk food media and this though I don't [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► think I care for it was really [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► interesting in a way that a lot of stuff [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► i consume is not so like I don't regret [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► reading it which is you know not [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► something i can say about everything i [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► read i don't know and i went back and [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► read it again because I wanted to feel [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► prepared and and I got more out of it [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► the second time and that's not something [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► that's always true but i don't know if i [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► need to own it which I currently do i [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► don't know i'm going to go back and read [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► this again right you know i feel like i [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► got plenty of other comics on the Shelf [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that I'm much more likely to read many [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► many more times before i decided to pull [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► this one down again and you know I guess [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► that's kind of how i feel about [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► something that I've I've I've read [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► watchmen countless times I don't feel [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► the need to reread his middle stuff of [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► League of Extraordinary Gentlemen [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► anymore i'm okay with that right so yeah [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► yeah there's a moment and book 3 when [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► their characters walking on a möbius [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► loop and if you're reading this on an [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► iPad you're in hell yeah because because [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► auto-rotate is your worst enemy [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► oh yeah but what it's designed for it to [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► be in a comic book when I got to that [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► point I did actually have to put the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► ipad down and direct an expletive and [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► Ally take a little long [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► korean shake your fist Adele and more [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► wherever here take a left take a walk [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► around the ipad so you can actually see [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► everything i want to mention that the [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► science hero thing which is in this end [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► and in tom strong is a i believe i was [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► just talking on [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► I walk today with with with my family [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► about we were talking about superheroes [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► and things like that [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► I didn't start it but I finished it [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► uh-huh about the idea of it superhero [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► itself is a trademark co-owned by DC [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► Comics Marvel Comics and and and I [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► realized later that this is why Alan [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► Moore has played up the concept of [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► science hero in these comics because [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► that's actually his commentary on the [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► fact that superhero is owned as a [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► concept and I thought that was hilarious [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► actually [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► Wow because he's a bitter bitter man so [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► so bitter who I had what better is [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► awesome and you know I obviously enjoy [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► better men but I don't know what you're [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► talking about that the the take i took [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► from that as well is since the a lot of [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► this talks about instinct and primordial [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► flow and cosmic rhythms and so on and so [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► forth is i also had a kind of suddenly [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► slip it goes back to his I hate [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► technological progress I think he's not [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► a really big fan of scientific culture [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► as it emerged in popular culture over [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► the last 60 to 70 years like I think the [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► space race is kind of the worst thing [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► that's ever happened to him personally [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► because what because it legitimized [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► science as a way to to learn about [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► creation and introduce ideas of quantify [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► ability and verifying and you have to [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► reproduce results and this is how we [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► know things is because they are [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► immutable and that that is almost [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► counter to this whole you walk pads and [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► see women having things to do it snakes [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► in the sky and that's how you know [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► you're on the the path to truth and [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► freedom is so for me [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► science heroes is also his way of saying [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► well I hate the deplorable superhero [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► culture of mainstream comics right [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► science is not done anything great for [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► culture too horrible taste that tastes [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► horrible together often get is his a [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► wikipedia biography made me laugh out [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► loud because it describes him as an [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► occultist ceremonial magician and [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► anarchist it's like yep that's that's [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► you can tell you that from the beard [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► really yeah well I got a cultist [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► ceremonial magician i was saying that [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► this should turn into a showtime [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► TV series and and I realize it will not [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► happen because i would but it might [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► break everybody's TVs know what I was [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► thinking is personal a lot more like I [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► don't need the money and I thought what [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► they do is they would probably strip the [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► cult it would be this woman gets really [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► possessed by hot women entities and she [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► goes often has adventures and at the end [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► she meets an FBI guy and settles down [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► like they would totally date and the [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► meantime it's an example is an excuse [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► for women to get into like scanty chain [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► mail and run around and I thought oh man [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► I i need to stop reading for that tap [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► and it is why I want more is better [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► yeah exactly because you know you [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► there's and and I thought well maybe the [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► religious things kind of off-putting [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► thing because in u.s. culture were [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► really generally very uncomfortable with [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► with any sort of with the idea that [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► people who believe things that are in [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► judeo-christian have have valid rights [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► and their beliefs might actually be [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► worth considering [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► that's not really an idea that we're [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► comfortable with so having an entire [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► series or attractive will explain the [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► Kabbalah g it might be off-putting and I [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► thought know they would probably just [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► eliminate that altogether and go [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► straight to and then she and this is she [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► and the 54 guys take on you know don't [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► the y2k y2k technology because we see [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► them and then they permeate takes on the [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► crazy mayor and then promethea goes on a [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► walkabout to help a lady find her dead [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► husband and it would just be like that [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► and there might be a hint of [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► spirituality to keep people you know to [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► keep the fan people no no really it's [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► gonna happen in minute now but it would [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► it would basically be we have attractive [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► women running around and losing their [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► clothes every opportunity which would [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► actually be the type of series that [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► promethea would send up in flames as [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► proof of a decadent spiritually dead [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► Western culture that needs to be brought [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► meant let me take a break to tell you [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► about one of our sponsors at Squarespace [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► you heard them at the top of the show [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► you know back in the day building [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► website was a really really hard the [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► number of things you need to know you [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► need to know the technical stuff about [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► things like the web server you need to [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► set up that the code you need if you [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► want to add e-commerce there's a whole [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► other series of things that you need to [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► all integrate together so much effort to [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► do that even as recently as a few years [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► ago just a really hard thing to do I [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► definitely felt this pain with a bunch [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► of the sites that i was starting back in [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► the late nineties and in the [TS]

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