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00:01:56 ◼ ► gonna get started so the first part of the show i three very special guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/116">TS</a>]
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00:03:12 ◼ ► took a picture to come up is it so dark in the area you know with the audience's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► stages but I got a picture of him looking happy amazing we were so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/197">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► disappointed because generally for the last few years it's been the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► in the keynote and we were genuinely disappointed that we couldn't see his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/208">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► like victory dance and is seen as United I'm assuming that there was some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► complete spaz attack that happened and we didn't experience I don't have much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/217">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► recollection of them had already tweeted earlier in the thing is this real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/222">TS</a>]
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00:03:56 ◼ ► exuberance from John is just like a big smile I should keep their pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/236">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► so they announced you know it so I forget the exact way they bring to but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► it was we've got to just SDK and it is the awkward thing where Tim Cook had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► explain you know everybody hurts never heard of an SDK software development kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► and then there's this weird thing there are words like come on come on really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/255">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► good explained with SDK is a developer conference I know that this is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► simulcast to a hundred million people and there's price in these people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► really get it but come on but then you know it was real proud to announce today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/268">TS</a>]
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00:04:39 ◼ ► John and it was still no reaction and then it was like I think his initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/279">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► thought was there's gotta be a catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► remember when he said that I remember is the audio earnings swift logo and i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/286">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► just a very little recollection of just started I was happy I was just so happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/294">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► that this is really happening and like everyone else is it like to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/298">TS</a>]
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00:05:15 ◼ ► it was the highlight of the keynote for me was seeing his reaction is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/315">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► really wasn't I feel like then they they kind of immediately kind of framed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/321">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► that way where it was sort of a if you've been following this platform long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/325">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► enough to hear new programming language and its gonna be another bridge is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/330">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► new programming language like new to you it's going to be Python are you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/335">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► elevate the Ruby you know or is it the real deal is it really a new Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/339">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► programming language custom-built for our brand marks and as a holy shit yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/345">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► different different syntax not Objective C 4.0 you know all the things that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► could have done it is the whole 2006 the whole debate amongst all this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► they need a new language they just look at how they've improved objective see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► nobody thought they were never settle the debate you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► unequivocal looks on like Objective C in anyway so how much of you guys looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/369">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► swift so far only a little bit and I didn't go to did you know you went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► the introduction to stress that if we had all just had time to read that big I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/381">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► books or PDF know a lot about it but we haven't but I bet if you read that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/384">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► know more than you do from going to that section III pope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► I poked through a poster that bug little bits and pieces to see things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► thought were interesting and we were talking the other night about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/397">TS</a>]
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00:06:44 ◼ ► stop and it turns out yeah you need to do that but I mean really I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► thrilled that it's not parole because dealing with dealing with its own also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/407">TS</a>]
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00:07:06 ◼ ► shine but I listened ATP every week I don't need another episode is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/426">TS</a>]
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00:07:21 ◼ ► months of material for our show when is the last time I don't know if I did I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/441">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► like usual I've done the research when is the last time Apple introduced its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/448">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► own programming language off the top of my head I wanna say Apple script Dylan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/452">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► maybe ya dil in but Dylan never did it ship could you ever write an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/458">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► thing in the real world using it I don't know maybe not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► discourse composer count for anything I don't think it's a program and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/466">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► Apple script was the last hyper talk no Apple script came after hyper talk talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► with first I'm almost sure somebody someone in the chat room again right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/478">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► no I think I think about the card was like 1989 or so and Apple script came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/486">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► out and somewhere in a system seven years so it was i think im 71 right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/492">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► i think that big picture . getting down to the nitty-gritty of the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/499">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► what Swift is actually like as a programming language zoom out and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/504">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► kind of look at it and get the basics I really do think that it is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► happily programming language or at least representative of today's Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/511">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► modernize gonna say like Dylan represents the nineties at all and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► Apple script I think Apple script is very much of language and and by 1991 92 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/522">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► Apple where you know the whole idea of we're not gonna make programmers happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/531">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► we're going to be a regular people programmers just like the hippy dippy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► kind of academic language like I have a highfalutin idea and I'm gonna body that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► idea a beautiful language or whatever it whereas you know Swift is pragmatic it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► it's Chris Lattner eyes like it is nine hundred percent like everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► they've done it like down brass tacks we need this thing to do X Y and Z and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► we're gonna make it and it's a little bit ugly we don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► totally pragmatic yeah and I compared my analogy is to the use of help that occur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/558">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► throughout the UI on iOS and now on on OS 10 Helvetica is a great fun and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/564">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► always been a big fan of it but it's also famously very plain fun some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► a lot of people considered to be the most neutral find that exists that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/578">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► know they call it's with typography but that it you know I think part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► reason that phrase even comes on not just at the Swiss use funds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► Helvetica but that it's the sense of neutrality and when you use Helvetica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► for anything nobody ever says my god you're so clever you found this amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► fun that I never heard of its a very plain fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/598">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► and I think what like when they first unveiled the iPhone I remember people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/603">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► complained about it that wow what an uninspiring choice Helvetica I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/606">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► Swift is that kind of programming language where there's no real amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► complicated it's got a weird saris though like it is I think so at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/614">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► point the edges I think the more you look into it the more you see some rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► it's kind of more of a mongrel a medication like that like bats in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► middle of right it's like Helvetica and they've added a couple of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/628">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► Pacific emo Jai right to the main Langer right to the main characters so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/633">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► you haven't looked at it yet so well you know I think it's not PHP you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/641">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► looked at you know for 10 minutes so none of us well there's random sample [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► people here they didn't use much of it yet but none of us have really used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/655">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► we're not going to know whether it's a good language or not for awhile you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/660">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► it's gonna get it takes you have to almost master language to really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/665">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► whether it's good or not and usually most languages are and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/670">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► categorically good or bad there's no blood money so I think right now you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► look at it the same way that when a whole Russia programmers came to Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/677">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► for the first time to make apps for the App Store in the big gold rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/683">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► ever get to see what a weird language all these brackets everywhere and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► the heck does that met the definition without that weird syntax and it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► weird and foreign to them but the language is actually much better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► that once you get used to it with swift I think we're looking at it now and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/697">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► lot of him saying this is amazing but it might actually being worse than we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/702">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► because we aren't familiar with it yet it's probably gonna be better than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► think but it's gonna take a while before any of us are familiar enough to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► make that call I think it has the same effect is like the new look like iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► or are your sanity when I was saying this I went when they put Objective C up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► on the slides now have two scenes with her while you can't go back to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/721">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► the old like I mean it whether it's better and I like it is seen it such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► huge leap over objectives in terms of capabilities and like compactness and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► expressiveness that it's really hard to go back and look at a DEC you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► examples you see all this noise is not there and swift and I don't think I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/736">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► ever be able to go back into my house with ends up maybe has terrible war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/741">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► surreal design problems or whatever it's clear that Apple's committed to it we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► gonna be using it so it's also kind of weird that like a kind of came out as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/748">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► this fully formed idea and they mentioned they're going to revise it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► slightly over time with our feedback but it came out of nowhere and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/757">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► sudden boom that's this pretty advanced language of tons of capabilities out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► the blue and flick fully designed within this little you know subset very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/768">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► subset of Apple Valley design here this is an early language period it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► and not only wasn't leagues or rumored it wasn't even on people's wish lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/780">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► there was one of us really I don't think any of us expected this would come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/789">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► this year at all i mean many of us myself included didn't expect to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/796">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► see to be replaced for the next decade and you mentioned it specifically of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/801">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► that it's it's Tuesday we've only known about it for 36 hours or so can you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/807">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► gonna say hey on when I rewrite the overcast download manager for the fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► time I'm going to use swift but you know but it does seem like it seems like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/818">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► of the ways that I think it I wouldn't bet heavily on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► working out and very quickly you know like in a way like that whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► thought about the iOS 7 look when it first came out whether you loved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► right away or you hate it or whatever I think a gyro in to the other week when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/838">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► you look back at the old iowa's it's who you know it's really looks bad it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/845">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► old and I think that it's not going to take long before Objective C takes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/850">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► already there is absolutely i mean during the presentations will flip back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► and forth between slides Objective C and slides and swift and just like jon said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► the moment you get back to Objective C it's like well that feels Christian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► familiar but that it's like an old girlfriend or boyfriend right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► it's like at the time that would but I really liked him or her but now ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► fifteen years on who didn't do too well after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/875">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► and I think that it's gonna get up take quickly is one is that there they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/885">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► have all the same frameworks the frameworks are the same it's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► language on top of the framework so they're not saying we've introduced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► new thing and it's all new and it's the next generation thing and you kinda have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/903">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► to go on and it wants and we've only done this much of its a fire it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► already all of the frameworks and I think that's huge and it means that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/912">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► can still think about starting the user right away and I think the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► is the way that they're really encouraging and emphasizing a lucid I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/920">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► seen so far just in the first day that you can start taking existing apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/923">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► just rewrite one class using swift and you know just go like that or just start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► adding your new you know new features in swift and keep the old said you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► have to rewrite the whole app you don't have to have a swift out for an object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/936">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► of Seattle they're just Coco apps and parts are written in Objective C in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/940">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► parts are written in swept this before with are going to two years ago some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/945">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► like that it was a similar situation where that's really cool thing and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/949">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► can use it selectively here and there but clearly it's in everyone's best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► interests in Apple's best interest it's in our best interest to to embrace this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/957">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► and really run with it and so it's a very similar tact as to what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► happened with are also pretty confident that you know if you think about I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► the chances of this being a very good language or very high because you see is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► a very good language and in a lot of ways I I'm a big fan of it I know it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/974">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► PHP but that's we all know but if you think about the the amount of thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/979">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► and criticism that must have come to this language during its development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► from the people at Apple who decide what programming language they use those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► people are probably not only in very smart but also extremely critical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/995">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► careful when making a change like this and so I think there it's very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► likely to end up being a very good language because of how it came to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► about the small group of people that have seen this visit has been so secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and some some groups inside Apple have been looking at it like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► developers here in the audience when they showed you dot dot dot dot dot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► explain how they were different video right after they told you about how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► don't have a cow falters in the case statements and require brackets on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► absent but then we made a mistake but you're gonna regret twenty years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► now made two different operators that differ by a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► behave differently to make I don't think that would have survived by contact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► the outside world and so it shows that the group that they have inside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► like me i'm not saying it's like insulin but they have to keep secret for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► alright timeout explain her reign job yet but there's thousands of people out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► there listening to the show later I'm talking to them so there's some called a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► range operator and you can write like the digital one dot dot dot 5 and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► returns an array of 12345 it builds in with it knows if it are integers it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► knows that one in the middle are the dot dot dot and counting to the audience but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► if you only used to die if you do one dot dot 5 it doesn't return the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► item it returns 1234 the missing dot means don't give me the last one and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► it makes total sense to a Perl programmer I think you said two dots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► includes both endpoints and three dots doesn't include the last one I forget 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► no more dots includes more anyway I didn't come without uses just two dots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► and its range operator it's also a flip-flop and scalar context but don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► worry about it but yeah but like no that's that's the type of mistake that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► makes me wonder about about it and they said that we reserve the right to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► its syntax we hope will get feedback so it's not a big deal but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► effects it really says something this feature is so bad it's not even in PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1135">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► I do think and you know programming language is no different and in broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► aspects from anything even something visual and it I think Apple runs into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► this time and time again with the secrecy and the way you keep stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► secret is by keeping it a small team and not going outside the team and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► smaller the team the more likely that there's some sort of blind spot on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► team and when we ever we see a major new initiative I think I was seven is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► example and I probably wasn't a super tightly held secret within the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► but it was secret enough that there weren't screenshots that leaked and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► they showed us a year ago at WTC had a couple of really glaring like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► you're gonna go that in on the fun for mail that I can't see it it's not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► much a blind spot is that the group that's doing it has a hierarchy and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► even if there is a feedback within the group that we think this is a bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► if enough people in charge don't think it is the overweight the masses whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► when you put it out to the public then it's you know what however many million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► I was programs out there sending feedback and that is like a week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► there's no hierarchy among them it's just a you know that's the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► it's not it is not as straightforward as reporting relationships inside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► corporate so so one of the other things I took away from the chemo yesterday is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► and I think it's fair I don't see how anybody could deny it I think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► year ago at the All Things D conference now it's the rico conference but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► that's when Tim Cook said that he was gonna go double down on secrecy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► I think that the question was most all along the lines of hey you guys are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► famously secretive but you've had some leaks are you guys going to open up some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► more is a no no we're going to double down on secrecy were more committed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► another we think our customers like to have a surprise and we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► competitively as to our advantages and then other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► leaks you know mostly hardware and everybody black satin cook says a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► doubling down on secrecy but look at all the stuff that leads I think it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► clear at least there might be some exceptions somewhere that I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► but in general terms the only stuff that leads from apple recently is hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► from the supply chain in asia that it just seems like there's too many places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► there where there's factories and bribes and too many people who are seeing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► prototypes shelves coming out and too much money from the case you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► people who make the cases to put on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► want them and willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get them so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► they can have their case ready before their competitors but in terms of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► that just happens at Apple's campus the secrecy i think is better than ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► especially you know the whole programming language the screenshots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► like yosemite everybody had guess is what was gonna look like but to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► knowledge not a single actual screenshot League yeah I mean that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► most impressive part about the keynote is how much stuff blew our minds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► only because it was major but because we didn't see it coming you know and like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► great example you know it even like a week ago two weeks ago you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► predicting that they would have problems with how to deal with Windows shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► in a new flattened environment because we were all predicting iOS 7 was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► radical redesign and so therefore this is going to be a radical redesign and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► it's gonna look nothing like it did before it turns out it looks a lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► it did before it just it's a it's you know it's an evolution of the design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► it's a little bit it's a bigger step than the usually taken one revision but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► you could see them like making small steps over the next four releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► getting where it is anyway you know and and so all these crazy prediction that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► we have it would look crazy you know just totally unfamiliar totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► different everything's all flattened with them lines that didn't come to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► and what they gave us is something that just makes a lot more sense yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► doesn't look like iOS it looks related to iOS you know like siblings who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► even look that much alike but they kinda look clearly like siblings it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► definitely not like iOS running on the iPad which is what I was kind of worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► about ya oh yeah I think we were all pretty worried about that and and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► know I think when they when they were about to show I think we were all year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► ago they're gonna kill every level back its gonna be really weird and I get used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► to it but we don't have to do that it you know it's it turns out it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► what about the icons is that to me is the one thing that everybody loves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► gripe about and and and iOS 7 I would say like like that this time a year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► I would say eighty percent of what I was hearing was about how fuckin ugly 2007 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► icons were alright that's just even concede the point that these icons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► ugly the whole OS was redesigned can we talk about something else and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► like with the Mac OS 10 they they didn't go to a unified shape which is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► kinda thought they were gonna do it just seemed to be the same as iOS four ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► be a circle but I kinda thought they would cause it seems like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► direction they're going but they didn't it's you know they're just a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► more iOS you but not really did three shapes yeah it's free it's like the its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► circular and then like it tilted rectangle rate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► then in a rounded record something along those lines and I actually really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► them I don't know if it's like I'm just excited about something new but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► actually really like them I don't like them as much as John likes to Settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► icon which is a lot but but but I do I do like them overall yeah and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► it's if you look at what we have to do today in previous two to yosemite it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► looking at it when you have a doc full of all these icons are already different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► shapes and some of them have been updated in a decade it does kinda look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► dated and I think this is a nice a nice way to modernize it without being too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► restrictive to ISE and maybe the reason why we got these this flexibility of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► having three shapes to choose from work strapless flexibility I may be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► actually like they're recommending you choose one of those is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► recommendation people can do whatever they want their icon right but they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► officially said though that these are the three shapes you should choose from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► that phone book to be looked at like this always somehow that doesn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► nice treatment I didn't know that and I think that I think that's why we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► these options because I bet even Apple internally could not decide on any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► these shapes to have all of their icon become that shape so we got choice when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► the one thing I'm also very excited about is perhaps the sea of blue icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► on my dog at least it'll be like a circular blue icon and a tilted blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► icon and that's where the orange now I think that about iTunes is red I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► it's safe to say I'm gonna pull the audience in a second but you think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► safe to say that the USMNT design is far less contentious than I was only because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► I was seven came first though this game before I was seventy flipping out as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► wouldn't know that they taking bars on the buttons was even an option if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► wasn't until now like thank God the boxes around them and everything's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► honestly might buy I think I texted Dave wickets afterwards were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► you know how we're going to Vespers from acting like I just like all capped it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► was like buttons look like buttons I have it I have a review unit apples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► gaming running 10 ate already so I've spent a couple hours on it today and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► do too but you guys haven't really you i mean it's only one day you guys have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► installed care about them only half of us get press passes he does have a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► just a Mexico right i mean i havent texted six what looks good I played with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► the playground stuff for swift and that looks really awesome but I i'm the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► stuff on Yosemite obscene is watching over John shoulders he was fiddling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► it earlier today we're not special enough to get review units I dunno just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► poking around and going through settings and stuff it I'm surprised maybe even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► a good way I i think in a good way that it's really is mostly is skin deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► change it's really just a new team and and very little else is changing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► little things that I really thought we're going to go away like the blue or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► graphite highlight color choice thing which you know I know why they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► back in 2001 it was everybody flipped out because my god bright blue you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► I don't like bright blue and their legal right here you go there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► weird I've been running for fourteen years but that option is still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► exactly the wording is unchanged the you know I think we're all afraid I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► there was gonna be like Windows 8 we're like finders gone all it is is excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► by it sweeps in from the side that has a grid of icons launch pad is the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► Finder or System Preferences now is a full screen app icons are giant like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► it's not it's just like you said every strength then there's an awful lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► apps that to me just look just the theme is different everything else is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► much the same there's a lot of apps that are just unchanged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► I'm pretty happy about that and the new look at like when it's on the slides you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► like I'm not sure about it or whatever but when you see it when you see it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► the elements like a look at the new Safari with all kind comes together like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► alright it's go hearing it is all of a piece whether you like it or not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► doesn't look like something slap together you can kind of see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► continuous static on it which apps that have not been completely converted like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► you just take your aptitude never knew existed launched it may be that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► lookout but Apple's own after leading the way in a reasonable way of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► this is what it could look like check it out there are simple there like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► title bar once I Barna source list or whatever like I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► Photoshop should look like they used to view of it I think when I have seen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► screenshots and little damage using here and there like the most jarring change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► to me is the change which we were all you know like we've been saying we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► oh yeah well they're probably gonna change the font is probably gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► variant had to deal with that along with as they blow up the interface you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► and that ends up that's like that's like the biggest most noticeable change now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► also think that it looks it looks natural on a Retina display and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► that's because that's the review unit the game is a retina MacBook Pro so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► that's what I've seen it on but I i've never thought that Mac OS 10 look quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► right on the retina display until now because it just always look to me faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► like fake version of Mac OS 10 ginned up for a movie version of movie actors make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► yeah that's what it always looked like to me it's like end and part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► fun but Lucida Grande whatever you know ever greater was in 2001 2002 with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► big fat pixels on CRT displays back then and the way that all the hunting helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► the strokes fall on the pixel grid we don't need to worry about that shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► anymore I mean we've retina displays and nobody doing 309 output whatever use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► Lucida Grande thing about the old look was that all the interest was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► service details this looks like it's kind of made out of metal and it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► like it's kind of shiny or whatever and when you take all that away and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► take it all away with the flatness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► everything the only thing you have left to lean on ethically speaking its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► sharpness and so this looks great honor I think it doesn't look as if not read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► this letter and display it's like what we have here is cleanliness sharpness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► and this team takes advantage of that and I think this would not be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► successful Brenda didn't exist no I don't I definitely think so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► think you know no way that it would look and I don't think iOS would either you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► know I don't think there was any world where the iOS 7 look what I've ever hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► before those devices always there for the poor iPad Mini first gen that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► device there really is gonna be all bottom because they were so small so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► light and now that the red ones exist and you look at that first of all I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► how long are they going to actually keep supporting the A five like you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► we lucked out this year but it's now the minimum so I'm thinking it's not get my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► last nine Apple PR will never they're all everybody works there's no pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► no never ever even off the record a single word that is against Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► interests because their PR people that's what they do and I remember at WBC last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► year after the keynote when I got the briefing and the you know what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► but I was seven and have any questions I get asked questions and one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► questions was everything your show this all looks great I really liked it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► think it's great direction but every device you're showing it to me on as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► Retina Display what about the iPad Mini is it going to get the same luck and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► guess yeah and I was like I see it and they're like oh yeah and I was like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► it gonna look good and there was like no ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► looks fine and then they are you know somebody was there already with another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► question like you know how is your son and they're still selling those new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► a lot of disappointed I mean on retina iPad Mini owners in about a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► you know I hope this fall daily stop selling them and then you know next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► I was not announced no more a five devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► there's a lot of a five devices out there totaling the last big ticket thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► is that to me it was the keynote yesterday was a sign of how Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► playing a very long game in most of these regards and I think they've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► years-long road map and plan and we only see them on these four months six-month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► intervals of here's what we have ready for you now and it's so easy and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► so many people misunderstand the company think that in between one and the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► everything they've done is what they've done in between the next that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► they announced today is all the stuff that they've decided to do in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► 12 months since last WWDC and so you see a you see it with the keyboards on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► third party keyboards for iOS and there were questions be by in the press area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► have to ask you what made you change your mind on these what what you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► it because they're so popular on Android you know as it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► customers are asked for it and they didn't we've been working on this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► years you know that we really you know and you can argue maybe engineering lies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► it shouldn't have taken years but their explanation is that they're thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► about it for a long time I mean we've been talking about XP see WBC is four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► years of inner application communication and how are they going to do it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► think that you know typical Apple they wanted to get it right and that's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► sign it short memories though that wasn't last year's the BBC or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► third-party keyboards like guaranteed a lock for the key november that rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► that the press to be fair you know that the press usually mostly martes martes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► you know they we asked them to remember alive in this business we we asked them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► to remember a lot like can you can you name the whatever phone 12 months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► was the iPhone killer that month that we there's a lot going on in the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► there's a lot of Apple keeps dying and being doomed and you know and and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► just they just cant remember simple things like that you know products take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► more than a year to develop the one thing they announced yesterday that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► that I makes me wonder whether they've changed their mind over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► years is iCloud drive because it seemed to me that maybe that was just the spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► at the time before they had the find function but it seemed to me that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► are an awful lot of people who were saying okay with the iCloud documents I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► can build something that is just like Dropbox right long story short list just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► like Dropbox but takes my club credentials and then it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► not like a nasty finder hack it's built into the system and their answer was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► maybe you know maybe who knows maybe even those in the audience are some poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► guy from Apple in the audience who's been working on iCloud drive for six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► years and you know non-stop with the original vision that is exactly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► what they announced yesterday but I don't know it makes me think that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► they thought they could get away with not having a here's where you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► to save your files experience on iOS and maybe they've come to conclude that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► was wrong or short-sighted you know when I first when I first launched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► magazine I tried not having a Settings panel was like you know settings panels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► are clunky hack let me see if I can just get away with not having any settings at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► all just make good decisions and I'll let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► surface things to textually and it turned out that that was a bad idea it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► was required meet you do other bad hacks that made the overall product actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► worse and I had to eventually backtrack on that iCloud document model stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► and iCloud file story I think had a similar problem where they designed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► in with with this goal in mind let's get rid of files and folders exposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► user and and let's make this thing just saying any help you know I never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► never heard that from the start so let's just give these little silos inside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► each app and they'll have these flat lists of files in that app and it won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► be able to talk to each other it'll be fun that's kind of how it works and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► they brought to match their kind of this hidden folder buried somewhere deeply in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► the hierarchy that you're not supposed to deal with just trust us there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► files somewhere and I think that proved to be a model that they they had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► goal in mind the simplicity but the reality of that the practicality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► people using that and multiple a productivity and things just simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► things like where are these files so I can back them up you know the simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► things like that the reality made that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► worse and practice and they would have had to do a bunch of crazy hacks they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► tried to do lunch tracy has to make it work out that actually made a worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► overall experience and so I think this is then recognizing you know one common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► place where you store files that behaves like a folder full of other folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► hours people are okay with that you know that give people a little bit of credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► that folder might not be where you want to be it might be their desktop but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► people do that they are ok with having all files live in one place for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► applications within the subfolders maybe for some of the Paisley that's a model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► that works Dropbox has proven it computers before that people are okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► with that i think thats that'll realizing like if we're gonna start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► breaking down some of these productivity barriers between iOS and Mac everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► that they interact indications are that this is this will go a long way if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► could give up a little bit of our vision about what I was supposed to be so are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► you at all nervous John about the fact that they are putting a lot of eggs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► the basket and I know it's almost trendy 22 bitch and moan about how I club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► doesn't work the way they say it shouldn't and so on but I mean it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► to me like they're they're going all in on iCloud and that could be dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► like how do you feel about dangerous how just because we especially as developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► and a lot of us don't have anything in the fact that iCloud is really strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► stable available etc and so now they're now Apple saying no really we are all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► on iCloud so you guys are you might as well come along and I didn't go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► cloud kids session today but I've heard unbelievably positive things about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► do you have like how does that make you feel you nervous already I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► inevitable I don't need to have a choice I think that again I might be reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► into this John you might notice you were actually at the conference all day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► sleeping but I it seems not doing away with it because if you're already using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► it to him again but it seems like the thing to do no longer talking about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► iCloud core data syncing talking about the end of the cloud get session they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► likely at all is iCloud things when should I use each one remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► marquee value storage and it documents in the cloud and iCloud Core Data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► Cloud kit and they went through a mall and get down to iCloud card it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► they're gonna say never but they didn't mean to put a brave face on it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► does a lot of similar things like in a different way I'm not sure they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► come right out and say we're deprecated in the ways that didn't work and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► the new way but they have to have a suite of things under the umbrella of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► iCloud and some of them are better than others I'm hoping these new ones are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► best yet find out you know I think I think they'll make it work I because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► think the day no I don't think there's any doubt that they know that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► to do well at it I think the things you have to worry about without blur the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► things where it seems like they don't they don't seem to think it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► well be committed to the club the first time when jobs up there and set up no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► didn't know the clouds in the middle lines come out from that that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► like a recommitment to it but then what they offer and was like some good some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► bad now I'm getting a better buy from the new stuff it seems like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► things that you like that worked well about iCloud these are more like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► or in the case of cloud get this is more like what everyone was doing instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► using iCloud card and they were forced to do their own thing and they would use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► you know people like databases like Pepsi model FMD beer whatever this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► like that but with an apple two piston really awesome and everything and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► actually pretty similar to what happened between core data plus iCloud and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► the new client is actually very similar I just saying about the Callaghan their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► original view original vision of this is how we're gonna do iCloud its gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► this magical simply just keep using Core Data everything's just magically sings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► and of course that that wasn't a server problem that was a design problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► appreciated I closed the problem call card data it would be great to put up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► sign that says that it works on iCloud and then everything will be fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► let's base and they basically an ounce CoreData Franklin the didn't so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► cloud kid is then again it's like it's similar to how they kind of made i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► fouled file picking a little more like Dropbox that's what people actually need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► and it's a it's a better overall design in reality I think loud kit is solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► so many of the same needs as iCloud core data but it is a much better design for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► reality the one thing then you know no surprise and everybody knows Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► ecosystem company and that they want you know stuff is supposed to work better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► and we're gonna have time to get into all the continuities topic on duty stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► is an acknowledgement that that if if you have an iPhone and Mac you get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► amazing feature that you could not have if you use an Android phone where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► can start writing an email and switch to the Mac and I played with that and i got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► a demo of it and it works it's very very cool I can definitely see using it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► that they're adding all these other developer things though I think with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► hopes of getting more apps to go apple only you know like I think the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► would be like taking a plague Instagram that had enormous server-side costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► because it's photos and lots of users and they want to be social name when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► get a lot of people to sign up and I think that iCloud cloud kid is sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► hey you want to build a thing like Instagram don't even worry about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► server stuff and we'll give you really really generous amounts of storage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► bandwidth well for getting it off the ground right and the end there's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► question mark like they were like here it's free and you get all this for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► and then there was no like what happens after that I think what happens is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► get a phone call from Apple and and they are a weenie dog I'm guessing it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► be pretty price competitive I should I think it's hard to know if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► looking at let's let's let's build a business on this you know let's talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► about Vesper right so the limit that they've been published in public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► documents like I don't know what the NDA at the India situations we are too kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► of unspecified who knows but the limit is it something like a hundred megs per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► user for like you know blob storage and then one meg for database storage now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► that those sound load me like you couldn't it would be irresponsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► you to design something like Instagram knowing that as soon as one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► users had a hundred megs of photos something would stop and who knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► your options would be at that point whether you'd even have any options or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► whether like the call to clog it was just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► with narrow parameters it's it's a lot of stuff it's only be outside your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► control right and that's kind of it would be irresponsible to build on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► knowing that like there's this wall that you could bury you know it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► the limit is 50 terabytes per user like these are legal limits that are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► plausibly hit and exceeded and so you know what do you do and you just hope no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► one hit that that's not very smart if you're going to build a service like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► this that's like a network-based service that is like a cloud backend you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► do it on Apple only about platform and I get there maybe I mean maybe eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► eight players in the service side space and then you're going to like this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► start getting bigger all we're getting big we should make an Android version we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► should be the Kindle oh you can't like your your cat you're putting a cap on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► your potential if you ever want to be the next Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► building block it but it's great for people who are not gonna be the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► instagramers want to have a great application like me again with Vestberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► you build that iCloud iOS on the Mac you could use cloud could do you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► knows what we would have done a year ago of cloud kid came out a year ago but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► don't think we would have done anything differently I haven't seen anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► really makes me regret doing our own back and because of that issues like do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► we have plans to write an Android app well I don't think Brent knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► write and read absent minded maybe down the road you know right we could do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► Web Beacon even do a web app and we want to have those options and are thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► in broad strokes was well we could maybe do something quicker if we build on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► Dropbox or you know I had an option to do Dropbox or had an option to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► something with the core data iCloud syncing and then we'd work on her own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► thing that would roll out but I think whenever you make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► engineering decision like that and you think what we'll do this stop-gap first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► cuz it's quicker and dirtier and easier and will ship something first and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► we'll do the real good virgin then you never do the good version you're stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► with the crappy ones data migration will kill you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► so if we wanted to do it eventually then we should have done it first and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► that we did it the right way I think spike it is the same sort of idea the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► idea was to break it and it's a good one it's not all about locked in its not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► surely cynical hey write your game with spray kit and you'll save all this work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► but then you'll be stuck with an iOS only game I think it's you know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► Apple's perspective it's win-win that's what cocoa Cocoa Touch have done for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► close to 30 years is take DDM away from programmers and do a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► framework that you can count on but I wonder I don't know what the uptake is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► under great kid because it just seems to me like most major effort mobile games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► more than any other kind of at because of the nature games want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► cross-platform or wanna be cross-platform eventually and so I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► don't know if it's ever gonna really take off I think we're looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► from the point of view of me i'm looking at some like loud kids well from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► point of view of wanting to design a really big web service that has gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► have you know the six year life span and or or more than that maybe and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► know possibly get to a billion dollar valuation somehow like that's yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► might not be good for that but there's a massive class of problems that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► kind of framework solve that are on a much smaller scale and most developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► are not working on things like that most developers are working on much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► apps that like if the alternative is no back and then cloud it is really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► because it's it's a backhand you can use for limited value for limited purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► but that's that's enough tons of applications spread get very similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► like yeah you're not you're not going to make the next you know Rovio company on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► that because you're not going to be able to address all these other platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► that hiring people to rewrite the engine for all of them eventually recovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► OpenGL or whatever but that's not what it's made to solve it and it's made to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► solve much smaller needs for a far larger number of hours and you know once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► you exceed those limits on these things then you're probably big enough that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► can't afford to migrate yes so for those of you with an ATP I've talked on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► off about how I really just want a really solid apt to share grocery list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► with my wife and reminders will do it but it's crummy in other apps out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► for me if I wanted to write something I don't want to have to worry about VPS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► I don't have to worry about a lot of other things and so something like Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► kit is perfect for this app that I want to write really to scratch my own niche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► and you know if I make a few bucks off its sweet but I'm never gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► Vesper I'm never gonna be in Instapaper and overcast anything like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► that's okay say that shipping out that's true and 11 last topic on the dirt paths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► the way I think it's very telling about where Apple is today in a keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► especially at WWDC keynote because the event ones are more focused is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► we've just got this new iPad we want to show you but WABC you can see what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► thinks is important based on what kind of stented gets on stage right there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► the basic level of there's this thing and I'll just tell you in a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► slide the thing and then it's on to the next topic then there's like bring out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► special guests and bring out like you know that I get too far and is I bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► out like a third party and say we brought them here a month ago we tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► them up in a room and made them write this thing and the one that got that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► only third-party that came on stage yesterday was epic and that was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► metal and yeah that's really goes against the idea that they were focusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► on the consumer stuff right medal and it's a replacement for OpenGL and blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► blah blah you know millions of triangles per second but Apple clearly sees it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► important because they spent a lot of time on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► and big demo and I think it's so interesting about where Apple is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► company today because it's not just that they've replaced OpenGL is that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► gotten out of now the headache of OpenGL as I can open it's got like a consortium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► behind it and so they want to get improvements to OpenGL so that it runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► better on a seven they've got to go through this process and now but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► metal is exactly what Apple ones for talking to the GPUs that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► designed like now they've got an API using the Jeep GPUs that was designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► hand-in-hand with the hard work guys were making the GPUs and that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► something Apple 10 years ago could have done because Apple wasn't big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► Microsoft do and they did it with tax and Microsoft could get away with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► because there were three four hundred million PCs out the world and a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► million people who want to play games and so Microsoft could say we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► direct tax you're gonna program to direct tax and game developers said yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► Direct X had the advantage of learning from all the OpenGL mistakes with OpenGL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► was older so it is a little bit more indirect tax Microsoft has evolved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► and it is a very capable avi but I think the metal front a lot of that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► game developers who were saying you've got a great GPU but you make it to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► OpenGL ES and here's a very stupid and like you said I was like well as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► don't make OpenGL we don't find the standard we work with the consortium but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► I try to work with every three see it's a slow process as a game two of us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► both what about now shipping game now I wanna you know when you get closer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► the middle and they pulled the name right and you know it's like aim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► dismantle its game developers wanted this game developer and what can apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► to apple can't make their own direct taxpayers that's not what we want we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► know exactly what we know what the GPU is capable of just give us more control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► so it's one of the rare case for Apple and here's the new API that's lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► level and that it's because developers wanted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► what lower-level well and then I think the other way that it work and I'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► up take is that they've clearly this is one of those things where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► little open slightly with a short list but they had a pic they've they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► like I think the four big game engines on board already and so it's the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► engines that provide the higher level API that most game developers spend most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► of their time in and they just get to take advantage of this 10 X improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► but I and i know and I know the guy even said like an order of magnitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► improvement but I don't think people maybe some people don't really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► that that could be true that like year over year there's a 10 X improvement in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► graphics but it's really that true I mean its specific cases like it OpenGL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► API and I want you like patch up your stuff and not to a bunch of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► calls but just get it together about your crap make one call because doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► the cause is expensive and this is saying well i get a text me up because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► dont have to do that anymore now do this careful batching and been trying to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► nice with OpenGL I can just send the calls and I mean I don't know the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► of the details of it but it's like it is a kind of a teller pic benchmark oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► got 10 X in this particular operation but that particular abrasion happens all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► the time and you can work around the away but it was annoying and it said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► geez just let me talk to the GPU the way wants me to talk about how to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► let's take a break I want to end up the nerdy part of the show it was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► good but I have a surprise I have a surprise guest from our friends at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► and I know it was in the news last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► know better I have a gift for you Marco and it's here from Dr Dre ladies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► gentlemen dr dre I know that you love high-end headphones you can go ahead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► open that I'll hold this I think it would be fair for you to throw those on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► real quick so we really so I had read called ray and you know it takes phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► calls he answered right on his Mac and I said ray his number now I need the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► headphones in oral does this guy is really fucking picky I mean I sent him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► the URL of his head punk America is a wholly shit man neck I really knows his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► shit I got just the phone forum Beats Studio special edition of the fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► is actually I was in an Apple store easily and I tried these on and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► you know actually have all the beats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► these actually don't sound that bad like I was like you know i'm always here if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► had to buy a pair of Beats the studios are actually the least crappy sounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► ones that they make way to ruin the bed and their overcast team to totally yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► top-secret my color is orange one of our sponsor for the episode who do I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► thank and that is our good friends at market circle markets organized to great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► apps you've probably heard of them both because they've sponsored my show before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► they sponsored the site but they've Billings pro nafta time tracking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► invoicing out so anybody does freelance work we have to talk tractor times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► invoices if you have a lot to billings pressure not great AB they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► clients for all your devices and when you make your invoice they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► templates and themes and they come out looking great so it's not like some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► of ugly thing what looks like a 1978 packs printed out your invoice really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► really top-notch design great stuff and daylight daylight is a software for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► organizing your business the way they describe it is its CRM with productivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► features first as opposed to the other way around so you can actually organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► the people who are involved in the people you know your company in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► Mac or iOS app not some piece of crap typical CRM stuff so markets are you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► to market circle dot com and check out their great stuff but they helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► sponsor the show and it's great and the other thing I want to do is I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► mention a so age is the guy from market circle he's been a longtime fan of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► show and he a couple weeks ago I got a nice email from somebody at iTunes about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► the explicit tag on this podcast and the fact that it wasn't there and and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► is just you know we all of your shows very nice very personal and was and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► know you know there's not a lot of swearing on your show but it does come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► up occasionally and we've started to get some complaints from parents and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► started you know if you look at the feed there's like at least two episodes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► the last five for 34 that have the explicit at you because they're swearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► obviously the show's writing an app to have the explicit and that very day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► got any mail and it just said subject my son and the talk show and I thought god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► here it is and I almost even read it I don't want to read this and I right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► clicked and ready and instead it was AJ writing and he just said his 10 year old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► son and he's a huge fan of the show as it wow ten years old my son does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► listen to me talk about any of this stuff that's amazing ten years old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► he'd loves the talk show and it's the only joie likes those sorry guys only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► show he likes to listen to and so AJ said that he'll listen to the talk shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► he's been a long time was in our enemies i driving his son to school or sacrifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► some things I want to listen to talk show he's a listen to the episodes again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► because he's already listened to Amazon wants to listen to him anyways some play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► soccer and and a week or so ago he was playing any I got injured he got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► concussion and he's been laid up since can't play soccer can even listen got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► headaches can even listen to podcasts two sons name is creating and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► wanted to say something to him right here on the show cause whenever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► better from this concussion is gonna listen to it and I hope it's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► throw but let's everybody here in the show let's hear it for Caden the 10 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► I am i Casey my next guest is my good friend mr. Scott Simpson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3463">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► the talk-show Worldwide Developers something's up that I feel like the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► I realized when I was backstage waiting to go up the show is gonna be a mullet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► businesses over its party hi my name is Scott Simpson I worked at Apple for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► about eight years and then I left to do stand-up comedy about a year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► know that Marcos looking at my but right now it's right down and it's been going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3556">TS</a>]
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01:01:33 ◼ ► crowd so I went back to the drawing board and I I tried I tried another day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3693">TS</a>]
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01:02:02 ◼ ► maybe that's not your style try something a little a little more classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► a little older so I went back to the drawing board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3727">TS</a>]
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01:02:47 ◼ ► sounded really good on that track that same voice and like some setting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► GarageBand try that voice but try it like a little more rocky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3771">TS</a>]
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01:03:28 ◼ ► little more a little more interesting and fun maybe bring it up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► in terms of energy so let's give this one a listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3812">TS</a>]
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01:04:10 ◼ ► are you as bored of this joke as I am but you was a rhetorical question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► clappers dammit I that's what I said on this one is it are you booing me mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3868">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► turndown forced got I feel like that the best way to live with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3903">TS</a>]
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01:05:15 ◼ ► of you folks traveled here from elsewhere over the weekend I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► tell you this brief story I went to Indiana to perform in a Comedy Festival [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3919">TS</a>]
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01:05:41 ◼ ► introduced me what he likes to drink so I took it as a challenge I think I wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► might have lost I'm not sure I got drunk the whole time it was great but a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► other amazing things happened to me when I was in India is anybody hear from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Indiana clapping from Indiana alright that's a decent number here's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► thought about Indiana before I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► as I was driving from Indianapolis and the airport was driving on the highway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► was so beautiful as they drove a majestic waterbird like a heron or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► train a four foot wingspan came and flew next to my car for about a minute just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► flew there next to my car and I swear to God at one point it looked over and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► was like I'm pretty sure I got Sept by a heron it was awesome is like it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► that moment in Easy Rider when somebody does something to think whatever doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► matter but I was riding along with his goddamn hearin it was beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► now we have to use the explicit tags I'm sorry I'm sorry Katun Katun man I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4016">TS</a>]
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01:07:06 ◼ ► applause bro fucking kidding me seven Scott for that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► one moment it marked off and I saw it fly over a large warehouse and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► side of the warehouse was a bed sheet and on the bed sheet was hand painted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► the word fireworks as I left the fireworks store with a bag full of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4072">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► more shit than I can use in three days I thought to myself this is amazing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► is jus amazing human achievements you too amazing human perceptions in one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► I got to view I got to see the majesty of nature and I also got to experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► the majesty of using some shit to blow other shit up right it's great like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► feel like that is more to us as people whether you believe in God or not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► recognize that the world is a magical wonderful place and sometimes you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► spent in my hotel room listening to Lionel Richie just sitting on a pile of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► fireworks not dancing on the ceiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► hello I listened to hello on repeat in my underwear surrounded by bottle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4135">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► rockets and Roman candles and I thought to myself god dammit heartland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4142">TS</a>]
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01:09:17 ◼ ► wants to ride around on his motorcycle with his helmet off that's kind of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4157">TS</a>]
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01:09:26 ◼ ► perspective like certainly I believe that a woman has a right to a legal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► safe abortion thank you I think if you believe in it why don't we clap for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► if you believe it I believe in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► also want to clap for this next one I also believe that that same woman has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► legal unsafe right to enough fireworks to freak out all the cats in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► neighborhood writes like both of those things that's great what i was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4194">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► based on that was you know i think thats same thing sort of applies a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► times in technology like there's a partisanship between two opposing sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► like like iOS vs Android or something like that and we really gained a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► when we come together and figure stuff out that works on both sides I was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► say that that's boring as fuck I just want to talk about being in my underwear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► the other thing you got those sweet beats you sweet beats from now have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► guys ever heard of a place called Draper University now have had they been here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4252">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► ever heard of Draper University a few a few people ok ok you might not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► next half an hour but we talked about think you guys thank you so much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4266">TS</a>]
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01:11:39 ◼ ► at the public library and San Mateo because they have the most relaxed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► sleeping policy and I've often walked by this place that is an old converted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► hotel and I walked past the other day and in the window where two giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► photographs one of Steve Jobs and one of Elon Musk looking like he needs some Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► like he always does like what is this place so I did some research online to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► find out what Draper university is and i thought id share with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4331">TS</a>]
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01:12:20 ◼ ► the douchiness in our midst and technology often encourages a lot of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► lot of that behavior it's rampant out and about yeah oh yeah exactly and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► that's where that's why this is so I looked it up online Draper University [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► and I i got this I got this information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► located in Silicon Valley Draper University of Heroes the first sign like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► University of heroes and then I remembered like a bunch of like young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► people walking around town wearing this t-shirt that just says hero on it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► you did you save a cat from a burning building you don't look like it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► realize that their attendees of Draper University University of Heroes is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► brainchild of free-spirited venture capitalists Tim Draper aka the risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► master i think is a good stand-in for a Silicon Valley produce like like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► the last generation like you know like he's got like a fun tie and he hates all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► I thought when you said it I never heard it I thought it was maybe like Don [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► Draper University and I feel like anybody who enroll thinking along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► lines of thinking is probably going to be very disappointed when the classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► classes going to start like that that's what we do a shot and then we learn how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► to harass you unlearn all those classes he took only two very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► University it is so what they say on the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► top of the line websites not a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► an unconventional world-class residential an online school for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► brightest young entrepreneurs from around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► our core curriculum our core curriculum includes some of the following topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► media training negotiations various topics in finance gloss over the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► that's actually a school subjects and then a dive into other things like lean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► startups creativity crash course design thinking innovation and some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► terrible stuff and so I was like what what is it so I looked for their I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► watched a video is a great video online about Draper University instead of desks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4495">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► students sit in colorful bean bag chairs and the video is great because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► obviously had this idea is like this would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► will be unconventional as fuck will just sit and bean bag chairs and bandy about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► great ideas for how to change the world and you see the kids in the bean bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► chairs and they're like sliding down did you have a bean bag chair when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► grown up now I wanted one that I was not allowed to have one because I was told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► before we ever even tried it that it would break and make a ginormous mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► you are good parents like the bean bag chairs the great life like the Hungry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► Hungry Hippos of chairs like it seems like the best thing in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► then you get it and somebody as well as a marble in your the emergency room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► every common area in hallway is covered in white board paint for brainstorming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► and there's a shot of the class schedule at one point one of the classes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► called future ology making up words and then there's a there's a quote from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► article about the University earlier that day I watched Draper change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► agenda line for a planned activity a gathering of Draper you students and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► daughter's college friends he changed it from mixer with sorority 20 a thon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► private school is not accredited and never will be Draper says that's above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► we don't want to be put in 20 the actual University box so here's my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► part and then have a question for you are you guys at the end of the session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► each student doesn't receive a dar es or again an actual degree every student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► receives a CA which stands for can you guess what CA stands for creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► achievement that's a terrible guest John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► actually find yes stands for change agents which sounds like what a bullet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► turns into when its human catchable we we could have given John six months and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► he never would have thought of that because it's such bullshit that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► that's right you just proved yourself to be bullshit alright so here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► favorite part in lieu of diplomas jury peruse students receive masks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► they receive masks and capes printed with their superhero nicknames gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► better and are instructed to jump on each of a series of three small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/4687">TS</a>]
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01:32:39 ◼ ► 1400 or higher on Oct you can come to Drexel for free on set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5559">TS</a>]
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01:32:53 ◼ ► all I have to do is apply and then I go for free and they're like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► tuition accident do any research in early 1991 so it's a means by $50,000 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► year now they're like it sixteen thousand dollars a year and as I can I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► penny of it and they're like yeah and I was like oh and I got the phone and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► dad was like who is that and I was like I don't know if drexel I guess I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► there was like I had that I don't know I would complicate you know where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► money for colleges gets great damage caused this complicated thing where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► will take out loans and all this stuff and in the only catch was ahead to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► a 3.0 grade-point average for my whole academic career feel it was very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► stressful my first two years but then I start a new other people who had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► scholarship and the backstory of it is that drexel is really well maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► better now but when I was there they were really not a good school and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► really low average safety scores they were like a safety school and so their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► idea for raising the average as a team score was will let people who score 1300 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► or higher go for half tuition and 1,400 you go for free and so I ended up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► i'd like six room aids in a big apartment on my end I half of this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► there for free because we scored fourteen hundred and couldn't go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► good school cuz you can pay for it but then I figured out halfway through my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► college career that there was a grace period on the GPA thing they don't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► like you you fall to a 2.9 and they're like oh sorry if you go you you get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► I don't you call it just just to note that daily curriculum 324 grace period I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► had a good time then finished with a three-point like 00000 to GPA it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► incredibly close but I never did dip down and I never got the letter I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► about this a lot especially having moved from the east coast to the west coast so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► it was on the East Coast also was the early nineties let you go to college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► it's just what you do obviously but then coming to the west coast and seeing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► these people achieve amazing things without ever having gone to college and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► also watching college tuitions go from super expensive to what Kate in car for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► college tuition at compiling a really really nice car you can buy a nice car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► like the whole you might like four cores for the forty years so you could you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► for tests as for the classic goes to college costs as the market you'll find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► out how many people here went to college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► how many people graduated from college and how many people never went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► college i love u guys in my view phone number there the people who got smart at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► an earlier age right so do you believe that college is necessary so for folks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► like this for four you know going in the world of like being a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► something like that do you need to go to college still I don't know I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► need to go to college if you think you do so that you can learn that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► that's really profound advice but I totally can't believe it with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► beats around your neck this lends me credibility among the youths right as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► bought them though you did you say you don't get anything else whether to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► talk about school and we will wrap up soon but schools great let school school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► is good for the lab stuff like it's good to learn how to drink in college to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► learn how to live by yourself for the first time that's nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► adulthood element to it is it worth $60,000 a year no but while you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► open kimono life story pointed out on the table I went to college ID I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► drink I started to drink slightly while I was in college but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► didn't really start drinking until my mid twenties I actually had a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► similar experience I vividly remember it was one day over the summer before I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► about to go to college and college at Virginia Tech and and my dad sits me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► down my dad just just to note nobody applauded for Virginia it's alright on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► the other guys nobody gets me down and he put something in front of a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► wise and he says you need to drink this ok you're gonna drink more than 11 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► is it and I took a little safe and God knows what it was and I probably showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► up lol I was 18 because I never really had boost before and did that my dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► basically SAT me down and said you're getting fuckin hammered tonight so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► way when you go to school you know what this feels like and you will be ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► hayseed ranked 11 melon teenies that it was easy on the team needs and why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► was given million TVs showed up they also make you smoke a pack of cigarettes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► no no no that is not it out but now that that that was my first experience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► then I know drank a little in college in and now now supposedly drunk me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► somewhere in the audience so I'm told so therefore drunk AC out now on iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► mystery mystery tweeter used to be a drunk driver account but then the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► stopped updating it that's erroneous it took him four went out for John Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► is tried to guess which tweets of mine I tweeted while intoxicated and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5932">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► because he was pretty good but not that good it was like you know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► pretty late but I'm actually stone cold sober tonight and I actually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► tweeted you you never really were drinkers are now you got it out of high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► school teens meet the guy with a receding hairline get beer at the gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► station and we would all drink senior Marcos high school saying there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► bold move for the guy holding Marcos microbe pretty good one that I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► gonna have Casey come out of your for Casey with the same I'm glad of earn my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► keep after all I did not drink a link in high school I had friends who didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► a parties and I was the official just in case the cops show up this is the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► paid attention to mr Joyce has class and knows how to deal with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► guy yeah right down mister troika dream for 25 that's a class that's a that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► yes I'm talking about your dreams that you had about your high school teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► we explore what drunk john was like like I got drunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► I shouldn't be surprised by this but that's terrible i guy just I envision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► like this really chipper happy like touchy-feely job hey man give me a hug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► it's all in your head now that's my dream that's my dream is meeting John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► John what was the high school drinking situation light where you went what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► it like it go out in the woods type of situation with parents weren't home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► totally right what is wrong with those parents I mean now that we're adults and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► we're the parents the idea that I would leave maybe see like if you were my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► that I know my house till you know when you've got the kid was gonna have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► party when the parents better example in Paris but they were wrong because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► not like I made the party it's likely parents are home ok everyone go there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► did not think that we would relate on anything my mother was she she she she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► met a man and she lived in Minnesota and so she would travel to visit him and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► like well the house is yours take care of it and I was very similar like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► just trusted me what a bad idea it was it was part it was a party every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► she left it was crazy it was fun I pretty sure because of those parties I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► was voted most well-rounded in high school but that's the only thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► didn't do sports so I think that was what it was for me so there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► so I I was left alone all summer for most high school summers as it goes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► forgot about ya and I am actually such a nerd and I didn't do anything bad I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► actually more of a nerd than John Siracusa on something nicer friends i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► mean out of people or bad influence on my own I was is roped into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► area it's their phone you weren't left home for the whole summer yeah my mom is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► a teacher she would go upstate New York for the summer and I would go when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► I don't wanna go there I wanted to stay with my friends in high school so yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► was like you know 1718 alone all summer is also just at home like drinking soda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► playing video games pretty much yeah I was doing all this crap programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► although that's that's why that's how I got started programming and instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► being having a social life just like probably many of you out there I was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► was doing that at that point you were in college and then you went to the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► knowledge to not really do anything productive so that was your college well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► yeah you college I I just found new ways to be a nerd you know just just more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► more I drank someone in college you know I have a very a very vivid memory for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► freshman year of college dorm and my roommate was a guy went to high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► with you is actually the guy who told me back in 10th grade to put Drexel and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► you know when and I didn't take a random roommate at that seemed like a sucker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► move so as I got what we should be roommates even when we were best friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► but I knew I could live with the guy he pledged fraternity a lot of the guys on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► my floor pledged fraternities and they went to these fraternity parties and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► remember very specifically what the game was I stayed to play Leisure Suit Larry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► a big boobs right and I felt like I was being pretty bad out there are both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6232">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► 4255 26 where we 56 Leisure Suit Larry a big boobs again later on time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► know if you guys have anything else and myself are right where we wrap it up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► would like to do some thanks a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► that I would like to thank you Megan here and mezzanine and all staff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► mezzanine what a great places is we did the show here last year I hope we do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► again next year but what a great place it's just a great facility but the staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► in the bar everything great so thanks to making everybody here at mezzanine Jesse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► char she helped reduce the show she's here in San Francisco she runs a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► she runs the app design development job Pacific Pacific helm dot com they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► do such good work is probably hard to get in on it but if you need to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► check out need somebody to help you design or develop an app check out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► pacific home great stuff I wanna give a special thank you to someone who should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► I think couple episodes ago but Caleb Sexton Caleb section is here helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► with this with the audio make sure everything sounds good but he was he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► at No radio and I should have thanked him couple episodes when I did the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► in my hero and the last show that I did while the show is unreal like a love has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► been helping me with the talk show ever since I've taken it so low and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► everything good about the audio quality and the editing and finding funny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► things to stick into the audio for two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► 99.97% of that is from Caleb section and I thank them two weeks ago but let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6353">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► thank him tonight when he's here let's give it up for Caleb sex to my friend I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► want to thank our sponsors Microsoft for sponsoring this event Microsoft at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6368">TS</a>]
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01:46:15 ◼ ► market circle with a great app stay late and billings pro and probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► biggest plus here but our our good friends at which sponsored the bar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyYvJdI/6383">TS</a>]
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