00:00:00 ◼ ► you got a bigger role on the show I don't doubt I would never really talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► about it but you at you now have significantly I mean second to me maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► even more than me bigger role on the show I gotta tell you the the editing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► your show lately has been outstanding so Dave whiskey is now does the editing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► the show I don't we actually were just talking about this the other day I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► actually never listened to it complete episode of talk-show I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/21">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► have a well when when I'm doing the Edit sometimes I'm just looking for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/25">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► where things overlap demanded by both the whole thing going and doing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/30">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► editing part I'm just looking for it's kind of like looking at the matrix how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/35">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► long does it take it a person of the talk show like a two-hour episode will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/39">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► about yeah I think most people takes usually about 1.5 bar code seems to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/48">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► it takes him around three hours 44 natpe well that's if the show is more than two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/56">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► people a two-person show is pretty easy to add it because things don't you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/61">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► you don't ever run into a situation where three people were trying to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► at the same time right now that's probably the biggest problem is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/67">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► your your professional always has three people because it's you and Jamie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/73">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► the guests and I pretty much have to listen to the show every second of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/77">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► audio to make sure that things are right now it's sometimes people monologue a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/82">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► little bit and that gives me a chance to skip had a couple of seconds it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/86">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► like I'm listening to make sure that there and I was there I know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► said so I don't have to worry about content I'm listening for audio and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/94">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► things overlap and make sure it's not weird background noise and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► crosstalk is not as is a big problem with three people yet and it's it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► know someone person will stop talking and then the other two might go to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/106">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► something and you get that that handshake thing of oh no sorry go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/110">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► no you go ahead it's weird I'm in a weird position that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/113">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► well I'm not on it I don't listen to that many podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/118">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► trying to listen more but my my my percentage of average week that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► recording a podcast is pretty close to the percentage of a week that I listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/126">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► to podcasts so I'm like very very close to being you know recording as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/130">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► podcasts I listen to at least I'm wise because I can listen to more than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/137">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► required to listen in like 1.5 X and whenever I'm on a show especially not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/141">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► the show but like a special guest on some other show like with you know a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► to bug like we were a couple weeks ago when we're recording a crosstalk always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/152">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► gets to me and I think that was horrible I tried to say something clearly it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/160">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► like the second or so of latency with Skype and somebody else had already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► started talking and it it is very difficult to auto corrected for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/169">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► guests to auto correct that like you would in real life we are recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► around the table you can make eye contact like a raise your finger I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/179">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► got a point to make but once it starts on a Skype recorded show it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/182">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► everybody wants to be polite and stop but then that's you know I mean yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/187">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► it seems like this could be solved the software either I guess there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► argument to be made for it everybody just does skype video then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► looking at each other but that doesn't quite cover now I guess you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/200">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► with being where somebody clicks a button and they raised their hands on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► WebEx this but you're not here not really looking at each other with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► webcam looking at the camera and everybody who looks at your video feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► sees you the same way as opposed to you know if you're literally around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► table and you're talking I can specifically point to you and be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/219">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► you know I've got some dad yeah it's never gonna be the same as it is sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/224">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► around a table and it always shows to cause I know why I remember thinking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► was a strikingly good podcast was the episode of debug debug I have so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/233">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► got themselves but it was the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► they recorded the day after the WBC count or maybe it was the day but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► they but they went to Macworld office and used borrowed Mac world's podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/251">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► studio yeah and they had so many gas they had they cannot like six or seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/257">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► people I am a 70 is a bunch of really smart people you know Ryan Iranians and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/261">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► I nelson rose on trance resign you know as a bit more than Africa but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/270">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► great and I just had this is gonna be crazy they're gonna be crossed talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► over each other but because they were in the same room it was actually remarkably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/279">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► well-organized a modified by the fact that guy and Renee and then Ryan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/284">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► reinsert just the nicest people in nobody's gonna try to be a jerk in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► room so you edit the podcast now you're doing the editing for the talk show has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/294">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► it gone I mean it's it's adding I can only get it forces me to listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► show the forces me to listen to the show in a different way like you I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► spend a ton of time listening to podcasts and that I don't want to it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► that I don't have a commute I don't have liked that time every day where I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/312">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► would be my habit so having having somebody else's show it at it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/316">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► unprofessional have done that from us two years I edit the TV show the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/320">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► they do it for now but that's like I was there during recording so it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► same kind of listening so interesting to listen and try to make editorial choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► while it goes rather than having a list in my head of things I just need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► knockout and then the other thing you're doing so we talk about the standard by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/336">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► which I mean it's weird like its a secret but we haven't talked about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► handling the sponsorships for the show when people want to sponsor the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► they're really they're going to get in contact with you right but it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► it's we are sort of maybe it's probably my fault where the transition transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► from you all to hosting an enduring fireball was sort of one weird thing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► a time and now it's like we're up off the air and it's working and nobody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► complaining at all I don't have any complaints so it seems like the feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► keeps working you know how cloud hosting has worked just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/374">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► nobody really seems to have mister B download numbers are completely on par [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/379">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► I'll say this about editing it's forced me to re-evaluate audio quality people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/386">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► more pills and your show them my show and so suddenly after care about how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/392">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► well encoded in mp3 or so change my workflow there why do you why do you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/396">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► mp3 instead of you know I really thought about it babe I my assumption is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/403">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► mp3 it can be the thing that the most people would be able to play yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► what I would too that's why I've always gone with that I guess I didn't choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/413">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► with your when I was with me all that was just sent a Mario and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/417">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► podcast one up and there was no choice but they would do you know the show's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► been mp3 as long as I can remember I think ATP those EAC that wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/427">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► surprise me that something America thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► seems like something I would do too I don't know I would be very surprised if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► the percentage of people who listen to the talk show who would have a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► if I switched from mp3 to AAC if it was more than one percent when we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/444">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► certainly try it now what's the point I kind of like mp3 is the one that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/450">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► going to be most likely to be listening listenable 200 years mp3 is like its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/456">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► brand people know it mp3 is even on computer people know it mp3 is a AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/463">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► might have some technical you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/470">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► we're at the same sort of stupid things to argue about 10 years ago we're at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/471">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► same rate you know you can get a couple you know twenty percent more songs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/477">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► now it's like nobody nobody cares about that whole point was that at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/482">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► point when the iPod switch from mp3 to m4r added AAC support and the iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► Store is using AC they went from like like five gigabytes was what you needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/493">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► for a thousand songs to 4 gigabytes because the same quality by somebody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/498">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► clearly subjective measurement you know you can have the same quality of audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/504">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► and save 20% on storage my matter little bit more because the podcast is a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/510">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► longer than a song and people are downloading these things nowadays mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► over the air right and people want to and a lot of cases download them over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/520">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► cellular call the podcast clients have to negotiate a sort of tricky set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/525">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► preferences in manual controls so that you're not downloading over cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/531">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► without knowing that you're doing it because you could blow right through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/539">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► data cap easily yeah that would be a rude awakening you've run out of date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/542">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► and it's all right forecasts for you know and do go overseas or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/548">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► like that and the data cap might be expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► be very small right like 50 bucks for 250 megabytes well that might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► whole you know you know one episode of the show might be too but you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/560">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► enable it to some people do want that some people might have if you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/568">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► gigabyte Verizon monthly plan you might want to download or you know just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/572">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► know you really might do some people who really do want that iPhone to just treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► wifi and cellular identically yeah I'm never when I'm at home come anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/582">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► near my data plan but when I travel time I got rising and does that thing after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/587">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► after a hundred megs or something like that created as it charges you another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► $25 if I'm gone for two weeks I've spent like to $300 and data yeah I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/598">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► I spent the whole time and there is always wifi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/609">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► maybe that was it although now that I mention this to you in making a note to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► myself I don't think I did that then I was supposed to do which was every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/620">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► I go to Verizon before I go over the country and I add to my plan the 250 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/628">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► megabytes for 20 bucks thing for international data but then you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/637">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► month later when your next bill comes you gotta go on and turn it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/642">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► otherwise you're paying for it every month yeah may or may not have just paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► foreign man I just got a few days ago and I saw that is still on there from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► April or whenever where there is it's funny because he used to I know last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/655">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► year did that thing you do the things we get the temporary SIM card because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/661">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► go over to the Amsterdam to write what you doing over there to do the two SIM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► card thing or do you just pay Verizon when I was living there what I did was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► went to the tmobile store and it's like 10 10 euros or something 441 gave data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/675">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► and that's pretty cheap and you can run on a gig for about a month of just no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/681">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► normal daily checking Twitter and stuff like that so I just used a tmobile sim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/687">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► when I was over there for a longer term if this is gonna be a week or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/691">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► I'll stick with rising and deal with the ridiculous data charges and iMessage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/695">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► way that I messaged bridges SMS though is it gets screwy when you change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/701">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► phone number with the woods and put it with putting a temporary SIM card right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/706">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► suddenly those messages that should be going to your phone number are now going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► who knows where right and you might be sending messages from a phone number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► that you don't want people to ever sent you again in the future and right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► you know you can usually usually when I'm sending somebody who I know how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/724">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► prefer to send address it to their email address rather than their phone number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/730">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► as I feel like it's more permanent but I don't know I just remember that the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/734">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► before I ran it all sorts of it was great price wise getting a temporary SIM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/739">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► card it was like more data than I could use while I was in Ireland for very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► reasonable price but it was very confusing I message was it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/749">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► big hassle my when I was living over in Amsterdam my my nightly ritual my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► routine was that when I get home I would pop the sim out but my old sim in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► give it five minutes to see if any messages came in and then stop them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/764">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► I don't know what to suggest Apple because it's such a weird edge case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► I don't want to suggest I I but I want somehow be able to tell the i phone use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/772">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► you know me just keep using my number yeah this is not a phone number just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► this sim card for data gets it somehow that's the edge case where the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/784">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► we as a technical culture have conflated the legacy telephone network where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/790">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► have this unique worldwide unique phone number with just give me the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/797">TS</a>]
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00:13:27 ◼ ► 0 ever to use the actual phone or text messaging with a temporary SIM card all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/807">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► I want is IP networking and there's but there's no way to tell the iPhone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/813">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► seems like I don't know if this is iowa 7 I was a but lately when I have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/818">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► something like that it still says my phone number so I don't know if maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/823">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► they've changed it to where the phone number can linger even if you get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► your city how does it work with the iPad when you have a cellular iPad you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/831">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► have a phone number they get it says it like when you go into your settings to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/835">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► deal with you know whatever carrier is that you have it tells you a phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/839">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► SIM card for an iPad has a phone number but I don't think you can ever received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/843">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► text messages at that number no man can't imagine that's probably just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/848">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► I don't know a function of it being a SIM card so I don't know I guess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/854">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► not a confusing I guess so I guess what I want is a way to tell an iPhone to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/859">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► into iPad load and this use of this sim card only for data there's also an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/863">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► argument to be made for give me two sim slots yeah but that's confusing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/870">TS</a>]
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00:14:38 ◼ ► because it's a sign that much money but it's you know it's annoying if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/878">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► who actually has like an Android phone send you a text cause I don't know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/884">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► country and you paid two dollars just to receive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► get for talking with us people in any way back to the matter talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/890">TS</a>]
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00:15:11 ◼ ► sponsorships have been sold out for a while and they're still so that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/911">TS</a>]
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00:15:37 ◼ ► who keep buying up spots but anybody has ever been curious you have a product or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/937">TS</a>]
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00:16:00 ◼ ► emailing me not a podcast never know we're very careful about that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/960">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► I think there's so much discussion going into this about how can we do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/966">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► without being another podcast now it's just a way to its like the one aspect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/970">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► a podcast network that that we wanted which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/976">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► that way less work for one person to sell sponsorships from multiple shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/979">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► than it is for each show to book their own sponsorships really what it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/985">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► down to it I realized with me having to sell my own spots for unprofessional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► just made sense and you were gonna be leaving you land and everybody had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/994">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► problem like all of us that are we all had the same problems as well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► what I'm doing it from mine would it be easier it probably would be easier if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► have I could go to sponsors and say well we're a group and make other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1008">TS</a>]
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00:16:59 ◼ ► collectivism saves a lot of work yet and I mean there's a sort of tangible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► benefit to Q branch to where I if if brent is working on code and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► worrying about how he's gonna sell sponsorship for his podcasters website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1029">TS</a>]
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00:17:43 ◼ ► would pay well as retail boutique places and at the cheap I boutique places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► you're not going to get glasses that look as partners it's that simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► really they should not cost as much as an iPhone prescription glasses at Warby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► Parker started in ninety five bucks including the prescription lenses they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► have a titanium collection that starts at 1:45 if you go shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► eyeglasses recently you know those prices are way way they don't joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► around with upsells on all the stuff you've won anyway like antireflective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► anti glare coating it comes to who doesn't want that who wants glare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► and reflections on their glasses could have easily Scotland's is giving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► glasses that are made out of that plastic that they made the first iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► where if you look at it funny they get scratched no of course not you want all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► the good stuff and this is the thing and I have heard this before but it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► works you think while wait I do care about all my classes like I care of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► face I don't know how can i buy these things over the internet and get a pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► of glasses that are gonna look good on me because you know you might see a pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► on web pages and what that looks cool but you don't have a good idea well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► they've got a couple of things they've got like a webcam type thing where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► can and it works pretty amazingly well we just snap a picture of yourself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► front of the webcam and then they they measure the stuff like your nose in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► distance and you pick a pair of glasses and they like you know imposing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► your face but the other thing that this is the big deal is that they have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► try at home today you pick five pairs that you like they send them to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► without prescription lenses trying to get a nice little box open it up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► they are there is your five classes you can take him out try mine compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► against each other already with a label to ship it right back to them if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► like one of them you can just order right there say this is the one I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► this one then they send it to you put the five samples back in box set up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► already label send it right back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► couldn't be easier we just didn't hear my wife just got a pair of sunglasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► from Warby Parker everything was exactly as described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1198">TS</a>]
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00:20:48 ◼ ► they were mentioned though at some point like a year ago they were mentioned as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► partner that was helping to protect by you know stylized class I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► that fell through or if it still could be the last week they key after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► drummer who was it it's some fashion brand that I don't recall off the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► my head that they did release a bunch of designer frames for Google glass I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► remember Diane something that's that's close enough and you know they just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► really really like Google did everything wrong with you can do it right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► when you have like a two inch by one inch battery pack behind her right ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1300">TS</a>]
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00:21:50 ◼ ► a hearing problem I guess I would argue that I hope the grass always looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► Google glass so I can spot it you know what that's too complicated and talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► about this with people on the show before where it let's face it though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1322">TS</a>]
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00:22:11 ◼ ► technical damn Google glass is is in the grand scheme of technology is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1331">TS</a>]
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00:22:21 ◼ ► thought about as a kid as you could put head-up display in front of your eyes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1341">TS</a>]
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00:22:31 ◼ ► real-world practical use it's nowhere near small enough to be unnoticeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► but if that's where we are today in 2014 or where we were in 2012 I guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► came out you know I don't think it's gonna be shocking if ten years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► you can make a pair of glass that doesn't look different from a pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1364">TS</a>]
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00:22:55 ◼ ► cameras have gotten i mean the camera seems like it'd probably be easier part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► to make indistinguishable to somehow hide in the frame of the glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► really comes down to the battery even the heads of the display part there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► other things they can do to either build that into your your eyeglass lens or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► what they do in cars for the projection something yeah I agree the battery is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► probably a bigger bigger challenge and the display part I don't somehow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► figure out a way to make it so that it's it's integrated in the lands as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1411">TS</a>]
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00:23:49 ◼ ► it's a foolish to think that we're not gonna have to deal with that in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1429">TS</a>]
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00:24:08 ◼ ► like that's invasion of privacy maybe I kid born today by the time they're old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► enough they're never gonna think of something like Google glasses being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1453">TS</a>]
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00:24:22 ◼ ► becomes part of the world around you and you accept you have to accept it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1462">TS</a>]
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00:24:32 ◼ ► years and told people about a world where everybody can send and receive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1472">TS</a>]
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00:24:44 ◼ ► always be reached your phone is ringing any time you can always call us anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► to dinner and talking on the phone at tables near you they would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► sounds I would think they would have a similar reaction to the way I feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► people being able to record me at any time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► yeah yeah probably I think you know if version of me that would have been my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► age now then we'll probably have an anxiety attack the thought of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► yeah it's an appealing and I said I but I'm a person who thinks it relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► unappealing to get phone calls you know I mean I tend to not answer my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► usually so and I don't get them 'cause period anyway you know from person now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► and even someone who want to talk to you like my dad calls me I like talking to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► couple times a week and talk about baseball or whatever but if I'm like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► if I'm like waiting in line at the supermarket pay and my dad cause we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► just gonna send a right to voicemail call home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► like I think it's crazy when people do things like pick up the phone when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► know for something that's not an immediate you know I give you get a call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► from your kids school where you want to answer that right away cause who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► maybe its emergency but if it's just my dad calling I mean why would I take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► phone call in the supermarket kills me is the people who will answer the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► when they're in the passenger seat of a car I have ever seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► it's it's just rude cuz if you have a driver you're you're now trapped in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► situation where you're you're somebody chauffeured you're listening to one half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► of a conversation at this weird yeah we're like you know people are out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► you know it's like a table for four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► restaurant and somebody just answers random starts talking it seems very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► strange to view larger baseball game at dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► yeah but I don't turn the volume up you don't you don't think there's a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► sort of thing happening there were there is no there's the the rudeness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► causing noise disturb other people and then there's the how how engaged are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► with the people around you as I can criticizing use its point taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► you know it's probably not the most played 10 that I do I don't do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► the time ya know then that i think is really that different from somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► checking Twitter at the table or whatever it's it's it's it's all on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► spectrum and then way and if you went back and talked about it go back twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► thirty years it all seems pretty rude and you know that the devices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► driving more attention than other people around us at the baseball thing it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► comical example of something that we all do well I'll check your phone even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► it's just a my my phone buzzed in my pocket no excuse myself for my most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► polite I'm still ignoring somebody for a minute yeah and we're all a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► hypocritical about it where the things that we love most about waterfront lez [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► do we think are ok and the things we don't care about our route so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► like talking on the phone I don't get many phone calls so I'll blather on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► about how rude it is that people talk on the phone but I love watching Yankees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► and so you know I think being able to watch the Yankees game while I is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► amazing technology so I admit that but I admit I have the self-awareness to admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► that I'm being a hypocrite to present it that way I wish that Verizon would give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► me 20 minutes plan thirty minutes but I use about 35 minutes a month I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► happily pay less I don't even know what we get we use a lot we've shared pool in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► but we don't think we coming close to using all the minutes I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► we're at the point even know even if he uses her phone even close to using any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► you know what they gave us the crazy based on measurement yeah like AOL yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► I mean does anybody is there anybody who needs like extra minutes I guess are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► some people who have a job that they're really truly on the phone all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► real estate agent or something like that you know that some jobs you really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► on your cell phone making phone calls all day every day but I don't know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► have to pay extra for that it just seems like everybody has unlimited plans some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► people have the $100 just for the phone part of it or something but you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► effectively or literally unlimited talk time it why not make that the standard I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► don't know maybe just a holdover from the fact that they're kind of a there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► their moving into just being a dumb carrier at this point speaking of rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► and callous behavior to see this thing you had to see it came out over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► weekend that Facebook had been running a psychological experiment where they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► a 600,000 700,000 users and half of them they randomly tried to algorithmically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► make their feed a little happier and the other half they tried to make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► little sadder and then tried to measure with like certain keywords like through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► for the remainder of the week were the things that those people those two pools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► posted a little did indicated they were in better or worse moods and the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► was yes that actually did seem to have some sort of effect on their mood that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► the people whose bid was to make them happier seem to be happier and then 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and I guess I i mean this in turn I got some feedback on Twitter and an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► from people saying that it's it's not helpful for me to say I'm I did Justin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► my responses I'm surprised that people are surprised and I'm with you on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► because this is what Facebook does so for example compare and contrast to if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► the same thing had been announced about twitter twitter is screwy company and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► don't quite get their strategy I think that the people who run Twitter are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► very good at Twitter or they're not very good at seeing what Twitter is good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► but if this had come out about Twitter I would have been very I would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► surprised because it doesn't sound like something Twitter would do and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► have been surprised and I think it would have been appalled you know I would but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► it would seem out of character for Twitter incorporated to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► whereas that bad to me is my point my point isn't to be so cynical is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► assume that all companies are doing stuff like that nobody should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► outraged about Facebook here because this is what they do what i'm saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► open your eyes this is what Facebook does time and time again and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► distinction I think the Twitter it would not surprise me if we found out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► were doing things with your night with your stream but evaluating your stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► for advertising might even do that now I don't know but anything anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► that they get a googly sort of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► looking at your stuff and then using that to decide what other stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► show you I by that I don't be offended by that but trying to manipulate me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► emotionally I don't know though maybe and I people you know I don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► too callous about it and I think it clearly shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► makes Facebook as a corporation come across as incredibly cows it's really no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► doubt about it but some people like it sounds like you're one of them really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► related to attempting to manipulate people's emotions is just crossing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► sort of at the goal line that that should not be crossed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► whereas I would say isn't every advertisement in an attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► manipulate people emotionally I i agree with that and I would say that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► the it's not that they're trying to manipulate me emotionally it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► they're willing to manipulate me emotionally in a negative way if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► if they're all true my timeline to try to make me happier if it works great if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► they're true my timeline to try to make me sad that's not okay yeah but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► can't do the science without having like a control group I'm not trying to defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► it I'm just saying I can kind of see their perspective if your gonna be sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► bastards see to me the part that defensive is is is not that they tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► to make some sadness I'm happy it I I don't think that they tried to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► rupaul suicide I haven't read enough details I would like to i'd be curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► to see if you were in one of the two groups what the difference would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► here's what you're for example users feed would've looked like if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► well they probably do things like if you're if you're single they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► show you lots of posts of people getting married and having babies and so can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► make you feel better relationship emphasize other peoples relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► are some things out and exactly but I'm curious I haven't seen a lot of details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► about exactly how they did the manipulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► the guy who did it just wrote a response I haven't read it yet but apparently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► mean he's gone on record as saying here's here's why we did we did it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► it there's a certain tone deafness to them that they that they seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► surprised there are people reacting this way because it's not like this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► secret internal project that had a whistleblower leaked it on paper they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► published in a real scientific journal you know they published it they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► proud of the science behind in their minds that people would be grossed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► by the raid that that this might be something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► wouldn't want to tell people that they're doing like there is obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► very strange culture their Facebook that it never even occurred to them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► people might be offended by this I mean a/b testing with people's mental health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► that's the kind of thing that I don't know me if if they like to opt in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► here's a new program we're doing well you did but that's what they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► is that everybody every single user of Facebook has opted-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► in that if you read their privacy statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► that there is you know clearly you know there's an some people have even called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► it out there is even you know I did even specifically says that some about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► research you know who reads that nobody cuz it's ok and it is super long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► they probably show it to you in like six point type but it is there and that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► of the argument is that everybody has hasn't coached you know he can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► imagine Apple doing something like that and saying well if you would have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► that iTunes update agreement that was all there but I think the the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► upsetting part to me it's like as a designer I think to myself though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► way the part of why I think that would never do something like this is Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► you're seeing the stream and the value is in having all of that data the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► to you like there's an expectation that all of the tweets are gonna be there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► Facebook's approaches you're not you're not a Facebook user so I guess you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► get to see this have to happen I'm really anxious to sign up now but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► do a thing where they don't show you a timeline they show you it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► timeline but they order it however they want right and so when you when you open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► the Facebook app on your phone it pushes you to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► it's going to go top or it leaves you in the same spot you would like a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► Jackie tap here to load more kind of a thing but I go to the top like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► no rhyme or reason to why the things are ordered the way they are they do it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► thing is the top isn't the newest thing and it doesn't even seem to be the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► important to most interesting and and my guess is that the manipulation is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► right and maybe they make things that they their algorithm says hey this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► like something is going to make Dave feel good you know I don't know somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► like a friend who is on vacation in this algorithm likely looks like happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► photograph was gonna make Dave feel good blood put the photograph radio at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► top you know yet and it bothers me that they would make editorial decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► about what I do and do not see when I have intentionally befriended or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► followed all of these people would suggest that my behavior was suggested I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► wanna see all of those things like meet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► and it does seem III and I do think I think maybe that's the core of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► really rubbed people the wrong way here maybe is gonna give this scandal some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► legs maybe is is the fact that they tried to make people feel that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► mentioned that specifically right it would be different too if what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► was if they tried three different algorithms to make people feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► about themselves and group a workgroup be it didn't see it actually had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► detrimental effect and made rights groups feel bad they didn't try to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► but it ends up that if you only show them pictures of such and such that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► actually makes them feel bad and you can you imagine the headlines there's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► Facebook and make you happier right as opposed to the fact that they set out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► me to make people feel some some group of people feel a little worse Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► intentionally one in some part of its user base to be less happy than the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► that that's part of what would make what four years has kept me from using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► facebook like even wanting to sign up is that I just don't get it i dont get what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► in the field whereas I i especially old Twitter like but unlike the Twitter they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► still mostly get through third-party clients is I know exactly what's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► be in my feed its the tweet from the people I've chosen to follow ordered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► the order that they've sent them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► chronological list of tweets from people who I have decided to follow and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► it in my mentioned dream people who typed at River in the order that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► sent those tweets talked about and I know exactly what that is and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► what they're going to look like and it's it's theirs I can integrity to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► whereas to me that this the Facebook what it would you call it the feed feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► him there's no integrity to it if if it's arbitrarily you know ordered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► I don't get it that it to me it seems like why would i SAT there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► there's an inner circle you see in me that once I just want to know the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► right I want to know the rules for what this is going to be yeah exactly that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► my biggest complaint as a Facebook user right I mean I guess I have a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► my biggest is that I just don't know what i'm looking at I like my email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► inbox I know exactly what it is somebody knows my email address type in the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► to that address and they've sent it and then it comes in and my mail client will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► display those messages chronological order giving Facebook does like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► they they surely this list of people you may know and I get a lecture one out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► two hundred I actually now I don't know who it is too close to it and does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► for me and it's actually pretty remarkable because I like and I see it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► lot like when I'm checking the daring fireball account is the daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► account doesn't follow anybody and they'll say hey maybe you want to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► following people how about these people be like Amy Krueger Brent Simmons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► you know yeah exactly that's actually pretty good to get those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► yeah I need to take a spider and thank our second puncher and we'll move on we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► get to the real part of the show I want to thank our good friends at transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► that's the company name is connected data they've responded to show before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► basic idea you buy a little bit hardware from them to call the transporter set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► a home network install a little bit of software on your Mac and all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► you've got effectively your own little private Dropbox folder on your Mac put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► files in the folder they get synced to the transporter little device with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► stories on it in your house now here's where it gets more interesting it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► stored on the transporter there is no cloud storage the cloud is only use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► add for negotiating from your network in other words bridging through your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► router and stuff like that the actual data storage is only written to disk on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► your device you can buy more than one device you can have one at your home or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► one in two different locations and they come up to the same account and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► do exactly what you think they'll do just sink together and both be complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► copies of each other so you can find other transport users and you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► things like setup shared folders and say here's a folder on my transporter share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► it with Dave whiskas and now we both have access to that folder and we both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► know here's where the datastore destroyed on my transporter and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► transporter because their shared folders between us and that's a big big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► difference between sharing stuff in the cloud and for some people a lot of you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► know this I've heard of people who listen to the show for legal reasons a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► lot of people people work in the medical industry and I'm sure other places where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► there's NDA's and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► you legally are not allowed to share certain data on devices were you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► have complete control over the device you can't put things on something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► iCloud or Dropbox because its legal implications as to where you can store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► really really different from the cloud storage applications so if you need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► for you want it just for the privacy implications of it even just for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► own personal privacy there's nothing else like it on the market they have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► main ways to go about it the regular transporter models come with your choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► 500 gigabyte one terabyte two terabyte capacities you can go they use this code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► TTS 10 pts the talk show 10 and you'll save 10% off your purchase of any one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► those devices up to 35 bucks go to File transporter store.com filed transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► store.com and you can buy one the other thing you can do though is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► provide your own USB Drive any USB Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► and you can buy it more like a little puck durable little thing called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► transporter sink and it's the same functionality exact same functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► but you just pick your own USB hard drives you maybe even have a USB hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► drive sitting around her office that you can already use you can save 20 bucks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► one of those costs a lot less forget about percentages just save 20 bucks use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► this code TTS 20 all orders using those two coats TTS 10 TTS 20 get free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► shipping and no lasting here's a lasting are you wondering if transporters rape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► you here's the thing by one start using it and for 30 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► completely risk-free satisfaction guarantee so use those codes pts 10 TDS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► 2002 file transporter store.com check it out by the one you want you have 30 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► you don't like it just send it right back to my thanks to transport by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► and just stick it in a corner an Apple store not tell anybody that the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► made a different one day long on how long that lasts about know about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► there's a sort of about it wouldn't last bit past the end of the day I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► they do a sweep yeah because they have to clean up all the machines nonstop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► basis i mean i i think that there's a checklist procedure they go through to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► make each one like store closes at seven by by eight o'clock it's back in mint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► condition do you think that when they close down an Apple store before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► open up the Apple store and I mean like permanently morning and evening do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► think they wipe down the the devices yeah I mean I mean physically I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► found they clean up the fingerprints for the day I think they do it throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► the day would be better I've never seen them do it now while I think that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► I think they've got like at disney world they've got like things were said I call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► in a trash around the park they just likes sucking through holes in florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► go into the underground tunnels so they don't have to see the trash being that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► it's a nice touch base of the main reasons I actually wanted to run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► from the BBC that's left on my things i wanna talk or write about that I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► talked or written about is Yosemite and a new design of Yosemite and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► thought to have you on the show because you and I are in fact collaborating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► working on a Mac at the summer so we're sort of in the middle of it now wow what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► a month in month out for weeks since from WC yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► was the second so it's 4 weeks are you using yosemite daily no I tried in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► is some kind of bug with the upgrades have got to have a second partition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► setup that's running a clean install of Use Somebody and that was running great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► I decided okay maybe all my stuff works everything should be fine I'm installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► on my main partition and I did and it was a nightmare and things were things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► were broken and I don't mean nightmare like there are some bugs and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► crashed I mean like finder wouldn't watch yeah if I wanted to open a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► had to do it through Terminal and that took 45 seconds to load so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► announce back and forth they need to look at you I stuff I need to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► evaluate the way they're doing a thing for the big day today I'm still running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2813">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► Mavericks it i got really excited about it cause for a couple of days it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► so stable that I thought hey I think I can switch full-time quickly maybe like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► what the next beta and then I ran into a thing where I could not log into my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► account that I just created I could use a Guest account and then from the guest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► account on terminal I could like use sudo with my admin account but there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► nothing I can do to log into the admin account and and then it fixed itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► somehow but it was scary enough that we could always do a backup and then run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► the upgrade for a week and if you don't like it switchback yeah I think I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► probably switch on the next page and at least I still have a machine here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► running my old install of Mavericks and with everything on it but everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► so much thinks it's so much easier to to to use multiple Macs now with iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► syncing services that it's it's not like the old days where it was really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► you just driving not because there's violence on the other machine and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► still can't do it I can't get my head around it and that might just be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► time to use to doing things the old way of running on two machines yeah I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► have to have one Mac if I have to then I cloud in Dropbox make it better but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► there's like still preferences per machine I forget about the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► is that I don't think it is imperative to be using it on a daily basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► design wise because I don't think it's that radical design you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► I'm happy with it almost completely apart some unhappy with I don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► that big a deal where would you happy with where we can do about that okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► I don't like that we can come back to that in a second but I don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► it's fundamentally change the way design a good backup it's a new you know it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► almost is only skin deep and I don't mean that as a complaint I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► speaks to you know if it's not broke don't fix it and try to you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► as opposed to iOS 7 which i think was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► significantly more radical change in that you really needed to be using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► iOS 7 pages on a daily basis to get a feel for how it should should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► designed for Iowa seven last summer yet there is all the rumors leading up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► 1010 is going to be a pretty dramatic makeover it's going to be very Iowa 7 as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► we kept very I was seven and we saw I was taken aback at how not Iowa said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► was yeah I agree with that they look related but they look like siblings in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► other way that would sometimes you meet you know brother and a sister to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► look alike but not like in a freaky way you know who is also playing to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► own strengths yeah it feels like a very measured you know I maybe would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► been a bigger surprise if there were no I was seven I think that I was 7 soften [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► maybe but I remember you and I talking about this when we were sort of trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► to guess what you know somebody might look like the one thing we kept looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► at hand and in some ways it was a true that would be kind of cool but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► there are in other ways we were both like gritting our teeth like who this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► could be bad is the iCloud web apps yeah right so when you go to iCloud dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► on a Mac or Windows I guess but you get like you know you're using a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► pointer using a track pattern mouse and physical keyboard or not touching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► screen but it looks really I less Sevigny yeah but in a good way in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► measured way where it does it's not I don't know if you're looking at the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► at ups.com stuff it felt like a sort of a happy medium but you could you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► start to get a sense of how they would solve some of these windowing problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► caused an iOS you don't you never have to absolutely the same time you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► have to worry about one thing sitting in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► another thing whereas on a Mac you always have that problem and it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► like they were trying to hint at will we still have shadows were still treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► these things as individual structures on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► yeah but I think that that's why I'm looking at it now looking at iCloud mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► and it looks way more like an iPad app then America and 200 yeah what's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► yeah I guess what I'm looking at is the things like if you go into contacts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► you click to delete somebody it it feels it spits iOS 7 a.m. but it you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► start to see the hinting like the way the window alert thing comes up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► information the way comes up in the weights on the screen that to me he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► answered what we wind up getting your somebody more than it feels like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► direct translation of anything from iOS yeah well and the other thing the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► difference to shoot is that iOS not I was the iCloud interface doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► lot of like a lot of the buttons don't really have strong top-down States press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► and states the best way to call I was down but pressed state you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► like iOS whereas yosemite does he feel pretty good cause that's that's been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► buttons that look like buttons has been my obsession and to me or somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► doesn't change at all like buttons all look like buttons in a way that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► really hope that I have to wait for nine now but I hope that I was nine takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► some cues from that yeah there's such a weird place to to go from here but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► the Google stuff kind of its showing them if you there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► the material you either well finish your point but let's come back to that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► right it's to me is kind of a hint of in an alternate universe what I S nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► might add rection that it could go in where it's a little bit more shadowy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► it's a little like a return not to scream or visit them but some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► happy point between super flat and allowing the easy access to mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► something I could see that the the right leg from to come back to some from five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► minute ago the one that one of the things I like about you somebody's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► don't like if you have a dialogue box with canceling ok puns the OK button is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► already blue with white text but that the tap downstate for the cancel button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► so if you press the cancel button but don't let go then the two buttons look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► almost identical like right to me they picked a bad bad look for the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► button to me the default button should look different from the other buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► but it shouldn't look as different as as the one in your somebody and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► like what you would want to something that both indicates that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► selected but also some people are gonna hit the Return key on the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► rather than any other King conversely is so that if the cancel button or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► there's more than one if you know any of the other regular but the ones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► don't activate just by hitting return when you tap press and hold down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► button you get this really vibrant press take it goes from a white background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► with black text to blue background with white text super vibrant difference from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► whether it's pressed Iran pressed whereas the default button goes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► vibrant blue with white text to a slightly different shade of vibrant blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► with white text it's it's an almost indistinguishable difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► Preston and pressed just seems like an unforced error on Apple's part 2 to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► that and it's a super niggling thing for me to dwell on but it's one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► things where I can get even a month and we can get over you you can I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► grousing about the buttons the top down state and buttons since I was seven came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► out I think even during the betas that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► thing for you and maybe a baby really is just driving I've isn't really thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► too much about the way buttons are pressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► seems like it seems like I don't like I have a much bigger I put more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► than than giant Apple does and even I think even more than I do like it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► a good thing they care about but it's like I look at it is really bother me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► that much it's not the first thing I go to the reason I care about it is that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► me it's the only real feedback you get like in the real world when you click a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► there's no doubt in your mind when you've pressed it down and when you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► let it go as you feel if it's a nice but with a quickness like the buttons on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► the buttons on the iPhone right here a member got the iPhone in my hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► pressing the volume buttons and they click I know when I press it down cuz it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► clicked and I know I never let go cuz it clicks the other way whereas when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► pressing things on screen especially on the iPhone to meet him more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► than the iPhone it's like you don't feel any click there is no haptic feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► and you know who knows maybe that's where they're going with new devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► later this calendar years haptic feedback but then why did they change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► you know I know I i remember last year during the summer a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► speculated that the decrease in visual feedback on press states for buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► might be a lot of people were guessing there'd be haptic feedback in the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► 5s and is not so to me that visual feedback is all you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► and so to me it's worth emphasizing when we rebuild we are playing with some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► those they had that press room replay with the phone stuff they a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► I think most of them if not all of them had haptic feedback so you'd have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► something it would give you like a little bit of a buzz in playing with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► I realized it's just it's not the magic that I thought it was where the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► right into my fingers buzzing it's just the device bitrates no reason you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► that today on the icon to write but thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► yeah I think about what we're gonna do it they want to do some kind of advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► thing where it it literally somehow give you feedback right where you pressed not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► that the whole device is vibrating which is what the Windows Phone devices like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► think they were all assets that when you typed H keypress gave you a tap yeah I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► like us it's not like your phone buzzing your pocket cuz it's not that kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► very distinct a little just a little something like you don't even notice it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► I didn't hate it but I didn't find it hopefully there I liked it until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► realized that there's no magic just made it was just the phone buzzing in my well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► it doesn't solve to me the problem like so for example on the iPhone keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► right from the get-go from 2007 when you press aqui you get past the ASCII an ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► pop-up shows up above your thumb yeah it's like if so if you're watching as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► there's this visual indication that you just type in S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► because you know you need that feedback because there's no buttons are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► buttons for each key on the keyboard so close to each other that you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► know where as if the whole phone vibrator taps in the exact same way no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► matter which key you press it doesn't help you know that you typed an S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► instead of a deep into you just know you take something and to me that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► have you heard of one of those tests were you see if you take better with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► clicks without the clicks now I know I've always got the ringer off on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► phone cuz I just almost everyone in my phone rang but it seems it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► when the cliques are on my typing accuracy goes up I think so too I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► the clicks on there's the hypocrisy of my my ringer is always on Etsy don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► actually hear them the building I live in there's a good entry he could get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► and a month or two ago they they change I know they did but it no longer when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► you dial the keypad they don't be baby anymore and without the beeps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► screwed up two or three times before I get it I like to keep it up some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► who think that that's so absurd that they can't believe they do find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► shocking that I used this eclipse on its similar the key clicks on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► menchville because they did similar to the whole phone vibrating it each time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► you get the same clique no matter which key press it doesn't help you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► you got the Reiki as opposed to like on a hardware keyboard blackberry with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► hardware keyboard you know that you press the right key because there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► actual physical sensation but the physical sensations identical for each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► key in practice though if you think about it if you've ever I've never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► a blackberry full time but even if I'm just annoyed with one you know you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► gotten the Reiki those spatially you know is on that border between S&D you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► know that you want that deep respiration to be on the left side not the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► side and if you do hit a deer by accident you can feel my thumb was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► far to the right right because the way the key presses in only ever-present in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► it doesn't slide around so depending the physicality of it clarifies you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► that that would be the sort of understand what the technology would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► but if there is a way to make it so that you got physical click or press or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► kind of sensation right on the pixels that you've pressed it could I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► how that would help something like keyboard typing tremendous but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► know I've never heard of such technology we should just put a hardware keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► on those things I do think we're going back to yosemite though overall though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► like it a lot and every time I stopped using I have it on a separate machine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► don't have enough main machine that every time I go back to Ibrox its it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► just feels like going back to Iowa sex but even more so yeah it was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► bit of culture shock for me after spending a couple days and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► somebody coming back and I'm used to it now and this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► I don't hate it it it doesn't feel as dramatic as I was six hours 7 going the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► other direction but if it does I am surprised at how much I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► yeah it's not as it's it's funny it's not as big a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► clearly not as big a difference as iOS 6 2007 that somehow going back it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► harder quicker because it's so familiar it's just an improvement I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► almost every way that it makes gone back worse whereas I was 7 everything's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► just took time to get used to his Yosemite to me doesn't take any time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► get used to it this is just better yeah there's not a lot of downside is an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► 7 there's the status bar thing I don't think I like it and these buttons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► weird and there's a bunch of stuff with maverick's to yosemite it really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► just be leg they dialed it up I'm curious and I saw did you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► Tobias shrewd Jones somebody asked him what he thought about how medicare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► system fun and say that I have to look at it afterwards but the gist of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► there a british au lit Schonert I promise but somehow forget who somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► asked to by Astrid Jones formerly of a flat fair Jones you know the whole ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► divorce going on there but the designer of gotten among other you know very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► popular and well designed funds he spoke very highly of Lucida Grande as a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► font and and no mention that some of the problems with Helvetica as a system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► the bottom line and he mentions it too is that it's you know it's right now vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► retina MacBook Pro haven't looked at it yet I guess I should try to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► online or something and see what it looks like on an on display and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► only imagine it is going to look worse I do think that's one of the things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► yosemite that is very much in spirit with iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► is that it's a redneck first display design it's designed to look up its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► optimized for retina displays and its secondarily meant to look ok on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► place do you think that's a hint at Apple wanting to move to or being ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► to move to a future where there's only retina screens I would definitely if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► anybody thinks it's not going to be all right now with at some point the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► few years i mean you're not but how quickly that's going to be a hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► it's a sign that it's gonna be sooner rather than later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► that's what I mean like if they're doing they're already setting things up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► its gonna look anything everything looks better on right now by definition but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► some somethings translate the other direction better than others and I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► don't have anything on it and I think of it as your desktop display 15 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► MacBook Pro yeah so I don't know haven't even seen him back on the iPhone from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► day one and that wasn't terrible i mean it wasn't maybe not as reliable as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► grand but yeah it always worked on iOS and it wasn't bad but I do think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► gonna be worse and I feel like the same way that it did work and it was fine on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► Iowa spree retina it's it's definitely going to be III I think they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► complained about it though when yosemite actually ships and winner of Apple's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► philosophy about a hundred people is the same as mine was again I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► not yet I think maybe on iOS it is and i think that you know I feel like the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► people who they really care about Bailey would probably be owners of the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► iPad Mini because that devices only they were still being sold a year ago yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► and I are you can still buy an outright doesn't think so i think thats like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► low end that's the last one that I feel really care about because the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► iPhone 3G s I mean that's forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► i mean you know god bless you first if you're still rocking your 3G s now maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► they're not I don't know see her compare yeah they still sell the iPad Mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► without Retina Display 16 gigabytes 299 so that it you know i join us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► uses my old one and it's not bad I mean it's you know it's you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► that it's any worse than that then the Helvetica was the system front on iOS 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► maybe some of the lack of contrast makes it less showing off but you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► I wrote about when they first went minutes that I think some of those the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► visual trickery making buttons look lickable and putting a lot of lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► effects on the buttons and stuff was all to sort of make things look better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► the display was capable of really looking whereas with Retina displays you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► can just let it actually looked just by blade type on a plain background right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► now I'm not saying that there this would be in in the spirit of well who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► what it looks like on a non Retina screen so much as it is I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► Apple at this point just going by what they've done with political system I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► don't think that they're willing to sacrifice what they think is the path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► forward to make things just a little bit better on the screens I will say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► using yosemite and I don't have a machine used as much as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► third party apps it it varies it actually really varies how much they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► automatically none look perfect automatically but some look a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► than others and you can see who was specifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► display this list in the system fund others who said display this list in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► Lucida Grande twelve-point and 12 were saying just give me the system fine they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► get automatically and I looked pretty good and the ones who are using lucid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► some of the icons translate little better farrakhan's translate better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► others some don't but I'm really curious and and its to me it's a lot like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4074">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► shift from iOS app makers of gotta get on you know gotta get updates out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► door and make their stuff look great on you simply but I'm curious if it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► take longer for third-party developers to update their Mac apps just in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► that because they're too busy updating their iPhone apps first yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► think I mean you if you're smart and convention is that you're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► stick to the the API's as much as you can because if Apple changed something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► out when do you get that change for free this is why you're supposed to using US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► stocks were so as to not really your own so funny when to me my favorite example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► of an app that looks even better in Yosemite is not newswire 3 I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► that I looked at him he's fired 37 that newspaper thing that looks on a on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► Retina screen that's got some issues on Mavericks and it just looks it looks not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► bad I still use it as my daily news reader but it looks dated and I hope it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4135">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► read my feeds everything looks great because the funds are all have attica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► yeah things and how that again the source list is the vibrancy transparency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► really yeah it's one of the most one of the most yosemite ready after I had on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► my Mac yeah you know what that is another thing that I've noticed is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► it clear I didn't even know there was such a thing but there must obviously in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► hindsight there must be like give me a default looking sidebar and those apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► look pretty good on your sanity and its translucent and then there's others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► where they've got late a blue background with you know the wrong find and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► it reminds me of a template images so the the icons that you create for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► sidebar source list on the Mac and the things at a bar based app on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► you instead of making an icon that looks like what the end user sees you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► make an alpha and alpha channel I can wear the the gradient is is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► determines the Alpha so whatever Apple does to update the OS whatever the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► style is your your app running on that version of the OS will look like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► other so you never stuck like if you were to go in and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► looking right now at my screen I see finder and maverick's has that like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► of the sort of monochrome the slightly slightly washed out icons along the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► like the the iTunes style those are all just you know flat black and white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► channel probably jpg or png he's sitting somewhere and then the second the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► gets updated they all look the new way I think bottom I'm wrapping up yosemite I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► really liked it I think it's exactly what exactly what Apple should have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► I don't think anything more radical is called for and I think it's gonna proved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► I still think there's some people who are you consider iOS 7 controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► right there are people who refused upgrade still yeah I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► that's going to happen with you seventy just because of the appearance and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► other than the appearance it's not really that different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► you know they have really changed in any other rules no but I do feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► especially with that we we don't see any of this really today because it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► betas but the extensions and handoff I think this to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► pushes towards that that ideal of ages ago a friend of mine told me that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► vision for computers in the future be late you carry that thing around like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► your phone or whatever it is and you can use it the way it is that when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► to work you get somehow and then the the interface changes so that it's a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► custom tailored to the way you're working right now the senate can drive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► right right in where Apple AAPL doing it and I think even more clever way which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► is allowing you to pass what really matters which is the state in the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► back and forth and let the the machines be their own thing yeah because at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► certain and who knows I mean I i dont know I feel like that tocqueville idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► it always it sounds good but it always runs in the problems and for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► your desktop computer if you have a power source even if it's a laptop but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► if you can put a power source into it at your desk you you want to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► have abs running and consuming significant amounts of CPU in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► raise your phone you'd never won that right right so what do you do like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► can say okay when I doc the thing it runs like a real UNIX computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► applications in the background can just do what they want and then I want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► to the bathroom and take my phone with me and just pick it up then what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► to all those processes that were running like all of a sudden now they're told no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► no now you gonna be put to sleep in 10 milliseconds hurry up hurry up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► finish I mean you could do things like the dock itself has additional CPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► memory resources and maybe those processes can attach to the day it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► gets super Lake the kind of people who really like running Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► would enjoy that yeah I think that this is a better approach and it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► we can even spend it as we talk about some of the Google i/o stuff and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► similar approach that Google has that it's not one machine they take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► everywhere but like one set of state that's available everywhere they state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► that thinks not the actual computer right and I stayed in your somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► me feel like we were finally there are or were very very close to your iPad in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► your iPhone your Mac all work together one question people have been asking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► actually don't know the answers they don't have a spare iPad to run I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► a little hesitant to put it on your money in full time on my it's great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► know I gotta see it because I've had problems in the past years with the MLB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► beta and it's like the only app that I really can't do without it off to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► but people have been asking will this work between not continuity like handoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► like I've started an email can you handed off from an iPhone to iPad where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► is it only for Mac tireless I think it's only Mac iOS I don't think you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► Iowa stylist but it seemed that seems like something that could be like a 8.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► update or something later in the year and make sense you know that you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► wanted somebody you know how I wanna go from this small machine the iPhone where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► I'm picking this thing out with my thumbs to the big machine right to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► email the big your boobs somebody else's big machine for email might be their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► iPad right I could see it coming I don't think that it's there yet though I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► go tested tweet earlier I am I'm impressed with iOS eight and running I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► was it on my phone my carry from made a phone and on my my day iPad 1 iPad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► yeah my retina iPad Mini both running I was a full-time and both there i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► there's weird stuff like I had to reboot my phone every couple of days things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► just get lucky and i'm glad you brought that up say I've been meaning to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► about this I said what I do is I have I still have my your old iPhone 5 which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► also a Verizon so I just if I would have done that device and I just take my sim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► card out of my daily iPhone 5s put in the five and then use that phone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► there and I'm using just that is pretty good but a smiling do it you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► make sure you know if I couldn't do it the year before though because last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► was the year or I had switched from AT&T to Verizon so my year old iphone4s I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► so it only works so long as you're year ago phone is on the same carrier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► same same setup because well it wasn't yeah alright so like Verizon phones were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► or not whether world phones but they couldn't yeah it was funny in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► every couple years they cut the SIM card size down to the accident was many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► announced my crying like a baby with the iPhone 6 they're gonna come you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► make an even smaller SIM card now just to get an eyedropper drop it in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► one thing though this is that they have been meaning to talk about is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► the first year I've tried to do this in a run run the beta on a year old iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► as much as they can during summer and even like last year when I couldn't SIM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► card swap I would at least carry the iphone4s around in the house on wifi as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► you know the only thing I can do is get phone calls but I don't think I said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► everything else i get this is the first year where I don't find going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► the iPhone 5 to be slow physically slow like the interface feel slow I notice in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► some places but like the keyboard doesn't feel slow I can always that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► one thing every single year when I test the new beta of of the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► on my year old iPhone I think and how do they ever type on this thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► keyboardist and it's never been I don't know if it's because they were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► the operating system slowed down I don't know if it's just that I got used to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► increased or decreased latency of the interface responsiveness but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► one you're referring most part day today I don't feel that much difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► between the 5s in five just in terms of navigating around the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► with this is with you running iOS eight on and on the other phone yet I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► you tip your saying you typically run the new OS on the older phone yes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► thinking that it has more to do with the newness of the OS the age of the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► in terms of your keyboard latency I don't know I just think maybe that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► it's that I S eight because they didn't do anything new interface wise radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► that it's nothing nothing but improved performance wise as opposed to like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► year obviously a lot of people had complained that I 07 was dog slow on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► hardware yeah there's nothing no I don't have any reason to worry about that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► 7-8 and I think it combines with the fact that maybe the iPhone 5 was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► first one where the a sex was sort of good enough you know that it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► at least for things like typing that we don't need you know the speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► improvement I'm sure help in image processing for example right like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► the new take 10 snapshots in a row using the press and hold thing there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► obviously a lot of computation that involved there faster 87 really helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► but for just showing a touchscreen keyboard and typing a 50 I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► where where it hit the fast enough mock exam I'm doing it the other way around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► we've got I'll say it on my father's and I've got over seven running on why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► keep these devices around sir WBC you had brought a measles for us for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► having a two year gap between those phones I'm running iOS 7 on the older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► phone and I was eight on the newer phone and i notice keyboard issues on my 500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► the 5s running a team like the keyboard feels a little sticky me interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► that's one thing I may have more to do with the OS and the newness of that than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► it does with the hardware and I'm I could be wrong I don't know my setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► interesting I will say this to an invention is before the show but I do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► lot of the little things and I was addictive like the reply to a message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► yeah yeah is really really nice it's tough because the that makes it hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► go back like I feel like as look back when the next beta comes out I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► probably just install it on my iPhone to its it's funny it's funny because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► normally year-to-year the upgrade you it's tough to go back because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► some big new feature is there something that you really like day today using iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► eight other than the the taking suggestion thing I don't really notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► like it just it looks and feels like a slightly buggy ride 07 yeah but it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► notification thing for applying is really really nice views the man once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► you start it's it's it really gets it just feels crazy to go back to not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► able to do it I do they getting text messages in multiple devices like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► noticed when people text rather than people who don't have iPhones it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► up on my iPad now and it kind of freaks me out so I don't think I've noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► because I get so few text messages from the dark blue was 111 came yesterday and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4854">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► i'm looking at my iPad and they see the name in there was like wait what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► person has an Android phone how is this even possible way and it shows up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► your iPad well then maybe maybe some of this continuity features do work i found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► out i pad right because I think on the demo during the keynote they showed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► showing up on your Mac right they didn't show any assumption yeah yeah I expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► to show up on my Mac I never would have expected it makes perfect sense I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► it was a surprise if thats it's gotta be that they are there like on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► wi-fi network or maybe even Bluetooth it so still confusing me and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► I've listened to the podcast nobody's nobody's quite sure which of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► features are running over Bluetooth in which are running over wi-fi in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► may be using both depending on availability seems like a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► stuff though it depends upon the Bluetooth L T boatload low-energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► Bluetooth le and the cutoff on Macs for that is pretty recent so there's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► be a lot of people with semi recent max like two-year-old max two and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► year old max great deal cemetery gonna be bitching because they don't get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► features I think I mean if it were me I would make it to where it ran over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► Bluetooth Bluetooth wasn't available around over wifi because a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► turn Bluetooth off on their phone to save battery yeah I feel like that trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► is gonna start it's getting to the point where enough of the features depend upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► it that you know I think most of my eye I usually keep the 2002 for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► its gonna get harder ordered it to do that are you going to keep running into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► oh why isn't this working out turn bluetooth yeah and I think enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► are still doing it it's going to be Apple wouldn't want to get the support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► calls and if you could just fall back to wifi wanna do it found out my son runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► his own devices at maximum brightness of the time maybe send him to wear beeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► he knows that it's running that it's running the battery down and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► his iPhone and iPad both completely run out of battery and I said heyy you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► your gut brightness although not compromise but he said i'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► its gross to run the display at less than have the device be dead than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► haven't not at maximum beauty wit a kind of respect I i respect is sticking to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► yeah I met with my Mac my Mac is always at full brightness in fact that auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► greatest thing I never turned it off I really should but if I mean like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► when I work out of the office if I pass in front of a window at a certain time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► of day and my screen starts them and it just drives me nuts I want to always as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► bright as it can possibly unless I'm on a plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► yeah exactly airplane mode firm action involves cutting your display brightness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► down you know that that brings up something we didn't see in Yosemite and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► I expect you at some point because we know there's all this talk about will we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► ever get but WiMAX or LTE chip or something in a Mac and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► technically that would be better to do it's just that software isn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► ready for that you're gonna run to your data pretty quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► yeah that's it seems like we used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► who knows maybe someday this year they'll come out with that kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► your access point and find out that it's an access point running over a data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► connection rather than running through like a regular wired connection I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► something that they can give you get one of the crime advice or something it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► report back to your computer that it's it's like a data network device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► well and there is the new feature in Yosemite and iOS a where once you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► paired your phone if your phone has hotspot capability you can turn it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► entirely from your Mac without interacting with your phone rates it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► seems like there has to be some API is in place or something to I don't know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► apps can know when they're in that mode vs a different mode so that they things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► like automatic downloading for certain apps gets turned off right number but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► I've always remember was Marco who WBC a couple years ago with tethering instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► of paying for hotel wifi and it was like he got there on sunday and monday was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► the keynote and and the new episode of Mad Men hit iTunes here and there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► four gigabytes of LTE got his AT&T account closed for the month so mad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► the interests right but that's exactly the sort of thing you don't want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► and I don't know how you you know I do think that that's basically why Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► hasn't done it is that you know and I know I guess that there's opt in things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► that apps can do to say what kind of network and my own before I do this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► I feel like there's too much software that already written that just says do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► have a network connection if so download the giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► I mean we live in a world now where there's a pretty good chance that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► data connection is coming through the air even if you're on wifi thing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► other end of that wifi is talking to sprint or talking to Verizon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► remember I think that the new feature I think that I think they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► never but my guess is they're never going to they're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► LTE equipment books and that this new feature where you can turn on tethering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► from your iPhone right from the menu and in on your Mac is as close as they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► gonna get and that's pretty that's close enough I think I was gonna say do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► think that's good do you think that's or would you rather have a Mac that had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► data connection yeah because you have to pay an extra 15 bucks a month at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► minimum depending on you know like Verizon I think it's giving me a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► you yeah we have like one shared family pool of data but every time you added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► devices to add 10 bucks a month so rather than add another ten bucks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► month just to some use the phone cuz it's gonna be the same connection anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► yeah but with your phone your Mac is a great battery in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5251">TS</a>]
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01:40:10 ◼ ► admit it you do you read The Hague but let's face it you design stuff mostly by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► to look at what Apple's done you digested and internalized ok here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► way it's supposed to be and then you kind of shoot from the hip you go from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► your gut and you know it you know you don't sit there with the hague open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► you know ok it says sixteen point between these two things so I make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► two 16 points and some point you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► you know make sure you've got everything like that right but when you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► Photoshop open you're creating art not a description right in the asss all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► time but the Gandhis guidelines and I think of the hague more is like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► instructions that come with the new device or your toaster something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► you've you might think you're gonna look through it you're gonna get the basics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► and you might refer to it later but it's not you don't even sitting next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► same thing with like Strunk and white or any other writing guidelines for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► writer's writer doesn't sit there with you know the Chicago Manual of Style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► open and for each sentence look it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► how am I supposed to structure the sentence the writer just right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► every once in a while you run into a sticky situation or your editor will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► save somebody's read it will point to a sentence and say oh isn't this ambiguous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► here you know and then you think why do need to look at the guidelines you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► let me see but while you're actually writing you're in a completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► modes are not referring to us at rules you've already internalized them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► and I do you have that that structure that framework in your head or you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► and it did seem like Google and I think you know I think part of it is just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► way Google is different than a plane part of it too though is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► aware that their developer base is different you know I think your point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► there about internalizing it you're you're right and i think is what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► telling here is that Google is is setting this up I mean if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6116">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► you're not a good designer than no amount of documentation is gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► you a good designer but I think if I have some kind of objection if I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► a strong opinion about the way Google is doing things here it's that they're sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► of presenting it as a flake ok just read this and i could be good at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► yeah and I think that that's there probably wrong on that part I think but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► me know obviously you when I use the word bias River biased but I do think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► collectively have talked a lot over the years about how iOS the average iOS user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► is different from the average Android user and that's one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► raw market share comparisons are far less valid than in any other context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► they're not if the users are have different expectations different reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► for buying the device if they spend different amount of money if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► different income levels if they live in different places if they tend you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► tend to live in different countries that makes a big difference on the value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► them collectively as you know can you build a business just addressing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► developers I think last spoken about but maybe even just as important is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► think there's very clearly a demographic difference between Android developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► and iOS developers in the same way that there was always a difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► Windows developers and Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► totally agree with that I think it's a very similar difference you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► that there'll be some companies will design you know have the same teams and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► have designers who had to do is make an app that looks as similar as we can on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► iOS and Android and there's develop you know developers and designers who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► working on both and I'm sure I know I've read blog posts from some of them there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► are designers you know talented designers who are either fans of Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► or just the nature of your job is that's where they're working I'm not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► make the eggs you know I'm not jumping to any kind of extreme conclusion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► there is no good designers working on Android but I think I feel very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► confident saying that most good mobile UI designers are either iOS only I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► first right i think thats some of that is that there's a moving target problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► with Android where which device which set of API's are you designing for ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► which version of the OS redesigning for are you designing for hardware keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► redesigning for soccer keyboardist I like a jog dial thing on the side that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► used to navigate or is it all touch screen and it's it's all of it even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► little bit but even that a lot because I i Android especially at the farm level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► has unified they've got rid of all those things like all those things that used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► to be claimed to be his strength of the platform that some of the devices you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► know if you want to a hardware keyboard you can have a hardware keyboard if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► want to jog dial you can have a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► one of the front of those things anymore they're just that that's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► everybody but it means that there's there's still there's still some moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► target stuff for Android hardware and where a designer for Apple platform you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► kind of like you know the screen size and you know the resolution and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► how how big a thing needs to be and how you hold it and where your thumb ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► and and that plus the fact that most users I'm gonna get in trouble for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► saying this but by and large paid software on Android does not sell as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► well as on I was gonna get in trouble for I think everybody I was that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► more political version but it's nobody is going to spend a ton of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► designing software nobody's gonna spend the money to pay a great designer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► make software that nobody's gonna buy it does make you wonder 444 absurd always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► gonna be free like a major and OB appt that is you mean you pay for it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► like this so mass-market that it doesn't matter that there's no inherent I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► for Sandra bias there necessarily or something that is like maybe the Major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► League Soccer app where you just if you're a fan you're going to download it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► it's free and it's the app exists to help get you excited about a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► thing they they make their money elsewhere you really look like a Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► a perfect but it surprises me that there's those companies aren't spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► more on Android design and me too I don't know one thing that I'm wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► about I've noticed and I think that the new Google material design is largely in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► line with it is like when you look at the Google Maps app for iOS you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► Google Maps app yeah yeah that's the that's my daily use maps out it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► it's it wasn't designed that Google Maps iOS app was not designed in isolation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► from this material design it's not exactly the same but it's you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► big differences Apple that has you know and we it comes down to like what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► talked about an hour ago about how yosemite and iOS 7 look related but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6416">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► don't look like the same thing whereas material design their their flat out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► saying it's meant to look the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► on Chromebook and tablet and on a phone and I think implicitly some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► screenshots they've shown showed apps with an iOS status bar not Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► status bar and that I think that they're they're presenting this is a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► language that you could use for iOS apps too and I think that they themselves are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► sort of been doing that their apps to me avoid you know started looking a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► bit more like Moon Man iOS apps to be a little tricky because they would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► give out some kind of framework SDK to make those API is working I thought well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► I don't know if they're I don't know if they're going to mean for third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► developers to do that or if it's just something they're doing themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► internally but don't you think I can I look at maps like they've got like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► back button that uses an hour 0 instead of a Chevrolet and it doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► slide from the side I was relationship with Google right now is such that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► write that a lot of that off as just google sayings Curry who has agreed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► our own thing we don't care for looks like an eye on it but it doesn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► know it's close enough they're related enough it's not like Windows Phone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► Windows Phone is very different metaphor right right it would really stick out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► where is this is two takes on the same basic idea yeah and I think I mean he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► said Google Maps as my daily use maps app and I don't find myself thinking I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► don't hate it I don't feel grossed out by its coolness but it doesn't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► an iOS 7 right and I wonder like I feel like they're going that route with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► Gmail and stuff to do that's the other app that's what happened did show off in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► the keynote and I have to say the new Gmail app looks so much better then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► you stalk ya I haven't seen it but i i i dont understand the people who used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6536">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► like I just used the stock my lap belt the new Gmail app looks a lot more used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► to icon and rated looked like a web app and just even though was a native app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► just looked is just the space in the typography was just horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► really really bad last thing I wanted to talk about and this is from i/o is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► that in broad terms I i guess i wanna write about that under informal to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► about ever since is that there's all sorts of details and I love to examine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► the details you know spend you know you could spend the whole show just talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► about the difference between Roboto font but if you zoom out take the ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► thousand foot perspective it's kind of remarkable and I think unremarked upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► just how similar we targeted Google and Apple's initiatives are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► tech company talking about you know set-top devices that run mobile OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► have an App Store and wearables and watch apples and health tracking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► heart rate monitors and footstep monitors and an API for apps to track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► those things you know and I know that Apple wrist wearable install rumor not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► thing but I mean it's it's one of those rumors that has a lot of smoke and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► everybody's talking about it and people been talking about an improved Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► with an app store for years the health and fitness tracking Apple announced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► health API's home automation they're both talking about that Google bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► next Apple you know flat-out came out with iOS he said you know here we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► adding these things and we're working with all these companies to see your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► garage door opener on you know your thermostat and whatever can all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► hooked up notably nest was not on that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► very noticeably it's all the same sort of basic ideas right car integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6655">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► there's another obvious when you can say it all this stuff is obvious but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► both all those things are on both companies agendas how much of that do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► how much of it do you think is that's just where they even in a vacuum both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► companies would have ended up here I don't know I find it remarkable to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► it's very remarkable that they're all all of those things I just mentioned ro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► all on both on both companies agendas I mean because I think I know I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► know enough to say I don't know enough to say that Apple is coming out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► wearable device that you were wearing arrest but I do know enough I can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► with certainty that they have investigated it thoroughly and that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► they don't it's because they rejected the Dave you know that they have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► who I know we're working on a wearable for your wrist so they at least looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► at it all of those things right watches congress wearables cause I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► convinced that that they're the ones I can be successful gonna be watched like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► but let's say something you wear it health fitness tracking home automation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► car integration TV set tops all the same things I just find it remarkable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► both companies have their sights even as their what else could they get into yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► I don't know if it's if it's just that they're also too obvious ideas for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► expansion or a byproduct of the relationship between Apple and Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► now where they're so like I for a long time you'd say that their friends and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► and I think we might be moving either in the middle of or right at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► frenemies territory and it's about to get ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► yeah I would say that we're past that I think they're in our tribal territory I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► yeah I do I think it's been there ever since the I think it's been there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► years ever since the Steve Jobs internal Apple thing that don't be evil is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► bullshit you know I think it's been that way since I mean outwardly like the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6775">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► they behave to each other but even even after that it was still the maps app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► powered by Google yeah but only because it had to be in a switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► you know they switch before probably a year before they were ready but they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► to do it anyway because they couldn't get an extra year you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► very contentious you know I know I don't know I still don't know exactly I'd love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► to know in hindsight how much of it was 90 forestall took the blame for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► seriously lacking in quality of it and as it debuts and I think that the just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► don't know this for a fact I think this is all third-hand but the gist is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► that the maps team led the rest of Apple to think it no it's not going to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► good as Google Maps is gonna be problems were gonna take a hit on this but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► here's where we are you know the bar if a hundred percent is as good as Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► Maps we're at 75 and given all the other considerations you know that's why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► should go ahead and do it now because running any get from 75 to 100 130 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► real-world usage can improve it but then when it shipped it was like 40 on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► scale one hundred and that there was less than what the internal team had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► promised even if what they had promised was not as good as Google Maps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► nobody in Apple nobody thought we were gonna make this transition and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► going to be just as good I mean everybody knew you could just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► certain maps and see it in a basement and not even that but transit transit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► yea well exactly which you know they're only adding now right isn't that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► an ISA miss remember if it is I missed it but obviously they knew that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► were losing out on transit directions which by the way is the reason that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► switch to using Google Maps is my new york I need to know which train today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► yeah she absolutely you know you live in an area where you depend on public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► transportation it's you know like night and day right it's like having a weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► app that doesn't even show your location it is it true you know like I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► went dark sky shipped it was like only had like aus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► data source who I know there have been some weather apps that only a few s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► whether you know no matter how cold the APAs if you live in Europe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► worthless you know if you take the subway to get to get places in New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► City Apple maps isn't going to help you at all but I'm curious whether if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► know and I think it was a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► for forced on and as you know in terms of accountability that it wasn't as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► as opposed to have been and as they were led to have been but I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► they still wouldn't have switched at the same time anyway it's just that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► they would have positioned to different marketing wise to set the expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► lower because they were in such a tight spot in terms of Google demanding really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► deep access to users personal location data in exchange for the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► Apple really needed from Google which were vector-based maps instead of bitmap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► maps and drive driving directions and the things that you really need for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► good maps databases data and they they even said that the more you use it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:12 ◼ ► better the service is gonna get it so I think maybe in in a perfect or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6972">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► perfect world they would have baby because it look what else did they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► the wound up being way better after more people used to because of data series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► yeah so maybe they would have liked launched this alongside the maps app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► like the new maps beta I don't know how they could have done it if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► relationship is better but that given the state of the relationships I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► actually think even knowing how bad the initial version of maps was gonna be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► day did the right thing I think the wrong thing was that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► presented in lower expectations and they could have even been more forthright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► about the fact that it was contentious you know that you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► there's some way that they could have presented it that would have lowered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► expectations accordingly and stuff to sell it that way but it's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7015">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► what they went through though I mean you can say that stuff to sell but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► new maps is gonna be awesome and then you got the maps and house was I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► leave it sits I'm trying to imagine Apple getting up in like what they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► how they point out how contentious relationship maybe cadet maybe that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► couldn't get into but somehow they could have said look into this and it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► protect you know they can emphasize the protection of privacy which is true it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► absolutely no there's no spin involved there you could say it's been by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► emphasizing the privacy protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► because I was the bottom line is that Google was demanding access to user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► identifiable personal location data in exchange for all of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► Apple needed to improve maps using Google Maps and it was you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► there was no going forward from that and they had denounced the switch you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► they could announce the switch mid year they had to the contract was up I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7076">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► the to renew it for more than one year it was either do it now when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► contract's up or you know go through the pain of having all this you know succumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► to Google's demands for user data which they weren't gonna do you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► an interesting point the contentiousness of the relationship because people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► you and me do that but that's not everyone who uses an iPhone oh alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► and Apple knows that and doesn't expect for Apple's internal negotiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:31 ◼ ► problems to be you know that's apples pineapple knows that that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7111">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► problem not the user's problem but you know that's an instance where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► effectively became that users problem it's an interesting thought experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:42 ◼ ► though the back and think about you know just yesterday was the seven year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7122">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► anniversary of when the first iPhone ship and think I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► everybody was making a penny I haven't posted a few photos comparing the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► you know why seven a big deal I'm not quite sure but you know June 29 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7134">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► interesting to go back to seven years ago and think about how you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► Google was a partner in the iPhone right now it was called on stage in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► keynote was introduced and was all hugs and smiles he was a board member at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► Apple and there is this whole look will make the awesome device in Google will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► provide the awesome you know cloud services like Maps and YouTube it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► interesting to think we'd be today if that relationship had stayed like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► and Google hadn't gone into Android and built their own competitor to the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► and was you know there was more of a happy relationship there I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:40 ◼ ► it would have lasted anyway because I think even without Android Google would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7180">TS</a>]
01:59:45 ◼ ► it wouldn't have changed schools thirst for privacy invasive collection of user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7185">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► data and you could argue that it's a good thing even I mean it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► annoying for Apple that with a dividend rate but at the same time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7195">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► relationship has evolved to wear them in the rivalry of that relationship is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► that we're gonna win out in a big way if both companies are making all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► different kinds of things at the same time that means we as consumers get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► choice and where we've got two very powerful companies with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► technology behind them finding out who can make the better thing and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► know I think kind of feel like Google's business model exists in Apple's blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► spot at the time that it just never like Microsoft Apple understood right they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► going to make a competing platform into gonna sell it for $15 a pop gems you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► know they understood that they didn't use the same business model but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► that they saw like their potential competitors for the iPhone is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:47 ◼ ► companies like rim you know making ground of doing that I you know the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7247">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► thing as Apple making the whole which the services the devices and something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► like Microsoft where somebody would sell commercial system 20 am's for a profit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7257">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► think the whole idea of we're just gonna give it away for free and sell things it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► costs and make it up by collecting user data and using that data to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► advertising it I think it existed blind spot for Apple so you think they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:17 ◼ ► say they'd never expected to be able to make this kind of stuff yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7277">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► think that I don't think that that Apple in 2007 when they'd agreed hey when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► know the stories that have come out center that the maps app was relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:31 ◼ ► late edition but it was like hey what if we did this what if we have maps and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7291">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► have GPS and we can triangulate location with cell towers and we could get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► really cool what if we work with Google and get a really cool version of maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► and it was cool right it was a really you know that was one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:50 ◼ ► that made the iPhone not a phone you know it was like his new thing you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7310">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► live updating maps in her hand was amazing you know I didn't know that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► a late addition but that makes sense and it shows that because the first iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► didn't have GPS yeah yeah I didn't have GPS think it I think it was entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► cellphone triangulation and WiFi network of known wi-fi locations general with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► the early 12 if you if you had like a new wifi like I had used to carry around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► a little airport express my suitcase I guess I still take some places but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► know that way I would hook up to the hotel cities in the hotel's wifi use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► Ethernet used the hotel's internet and set up the iPhone we had no idea where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► was until I got off the wifi so I don't know I don't know where where we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► be to think that there was a shipping thing they did that maybe that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:47 ◼ ► thing about the seven years is looking back and thinking how primitive was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:52 ◼ ► thing it was so advanced at the time but from in only seven years it's become I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7372">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► don't know almost all the folksy to think to think about of an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► shipping without GPS now with a truly shitty camera too crazy it was like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► shipped with a really nice cell phone camera and what I used to think of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► cell phone camera quality as I going to get paid to do this thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:21 ◼ ► yesterday I took photos side-by-side photos with the 5s in the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7401">TS</a>]
02:03:24 ◼ ► iPhone and I had to figure out how to get the photos from the old iPhone to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7404">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► new iphone to post on Twitter and I didn't want to go through the Mac I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► just sitting there watching soccer games and stuff and I couldn't figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► cause I couldn't send text messages cause I didn't have any so I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► the SIM card for the old iPhone it was running an old version of iOS didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:48 ◼ ► have a message of course there you know old reliable email you can always email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7428">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► yourself something and then went to email the photo and just emailed it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7434">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► myself but it didn't ask me do you want to send small medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► just send it I don't remember that and then it showed up on my new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► couple seconds later and one was only like a hundred and nine k its rocket and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► then I realized nope that's how soon that was they didn't ask because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► false Hayes photo was only like 200 is crazy night last thing I know we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► a long as long as I talk show standards but to me it is emblematic of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► differences is is the car stuff isn't shipping yet the home automation stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:36 ◼ ► isn't really shipping and I know that there's new stuff with nest the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7476">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► thing that started to ship are the watches right and now they've they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► shipped the first to Google wear watches and they had on-site they didn't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► them to people yet the prototypes of the month at perot types but like early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:57 ◼ ► production models of the Moto 360 which is the round it it doesn't even use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7497">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► whole circle yeah that's the bottom of the bottom it's not actually around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► there's actually I thought it was a bug and I read so if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:15 ◼ ► pictures of the Moto 360 at the very bottom of the front face like it the 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7515">TS</a>]
02:05:19 ◼ ► o'clock area there's a small black bars like it's almost like a bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7519">TS</a>]
02:05:24 ◼ ► letterboxing of a few pixels at the bottom of the screen and apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7524">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► that's a feature not a bug it's where the displayed they can display drivers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► don't know that means but I guess it's in other words for some technical reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:40 ◼ ► it couldn't make the full display round I'm gonna call that a bug it's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7540">TS</a>]
02:05:45 ◼ ► looks like somebody screwed up coughing and Instagram picture right will who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7545">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► when you settle on that who says well good enough it's it's it looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:56 ◼ ► joke it looks as if they've Korpi had tweeted that it looks like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7556">TS</a>]
02:06:00 ◼ ► that would come out of a plastic egg to me it everything about those watches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7560">TS</a>]
02:06:06 ◼ ► normalizes the difference between Google and Apple and Google fans and Apple fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7566">TS</a>]
02:06:14 ◼ ► fans may not be the best people who tend to be drawn to Apple products versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7574">TS</a>]
02:06:19 ◼ ► people who tend to be drawn to products and Sensibility yeah and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7579">TS</a>]
02:06:23 ◼ ► emphasizes how different we are and in fact like for example the reaction from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7583">TS</a>]
02:06:29 ◼ ► people who like stuff and maybe they're people who own a pair of Google glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7589">TS</a>]
02:06:39 ◼ ► and they attended Ohio and they were there and they got to choose the speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7599">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► they gave you either the Samsung or LG rectangular and they said later in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:49 ◼ ► year will give you the Moto 361 too and they had the 360 is there you can play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7609">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► with in demo mode but you couldn't take it with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7615">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► those people and they say I like it I've got my samsung year live on I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► it's it's nice but I you know wow the the motorists the Moto 361 is even nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:08 ◼ ► can't wait for it right you are already admit that the one that that shipping is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7628">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► so horrible that they already want the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:17 ◼ ► it's the name I give you call something at 361 it doesn't hurt that should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7637">TS</a>]
02:07:24 ◼ ► like the the Moto 342 I don't know how many degrees that is but it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7644">TS</a>]
02:07:29 ◼ ► like maybe take 300 the Moto 300 I think that it's such a perfect example of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7649">TS</a>]
02:07:36 ◼ ► Steve Jobs added that you can't start with the technology and work your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7656">TS</a>]
02:07:41 ◼ ► back to the product you have to start with the design and then find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7661">TS</a>]
02:07:47 ◼ ► technology to make it work that they've gone about this completely different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7667">TS</a>]
02:07:50 ◼ ► fact even said so on stage that word where it's now possible to make a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7670">TS</a>]
02:07:56 ◼ ► powered computer that you can wear on your by that the technology now exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7676">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► to make a little watch sized vaguely biggest watch but you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► computer this size arrest and so here it is here we've made one you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:12 ◼ ► opposed to coming up with here's something he would really want to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7692">TS</a>]
02:08:17 ◼ ► you would want to wear and then we figured out the technology to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7697">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► it's a completely backwards it's a very different I will eat my hat if apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:27 ◼ ► unveils something in the fall that even vaguely resembles these these watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7707">TS</a>]
02:08:31 ◼ ► defined vaguely resemble well that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7711">TS</a>]
02:08:36 ◼ ► I actually have the thing right here it's a Kickstarter project actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7716">TS</a>]
02:08:40 ◼ ► forget the name of it and it's not printed on the watch band but it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7720">TS</a>]
02:08:43 ◼ ► way to watch band you goodbye to put an iPad 2 square iPod nano and oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7723">TS</a>]
02:08:49 ◼ ► tick tock or something yeah those Apple stores to yeah and it was a Kickstarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7729">TS</a>]
02:08:55 ◼ ► project and I bought it and and for strapping and i screw square iPod Nano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7735">TS</a>]
02:09:00 ◼ ► under arrest it was great and it's a nice rubber band and I've worn it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7740">TS</a>]
02:09:05 ◼ ► listening to music or podcasts while running with iPod Nano it's great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7745">TS</a>]
02:09:09 ◼ ► put iPod nano and Kristen way better than strapping full-size i phone on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7749">TS</a>]
02:09:19 ◼ ► arm with an armband because iPod Nano is very small but these galaxies things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7759">TS</a>]
02:09:26 ◼ ► exactly is graceful and elegant and good looking as an iPod Nano strapped to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7766">TS</a>]
02:09:31 ◼ ► third party with you i think that was never designed to be a watch strap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7771">TS</a>]
02:09:34 ◼ ► terrorists now technically there is obviously a big improvements where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7774">TS</a>]
02:09:38 ◼ ► iPod Nano didn't have any kind of internet access or live connection to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7778">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► it's an independent device and now they've got notifications and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:47 ◼ ► that so there's a big difference in terms of the actual wireless thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7787">TS</a>]
02:09:53 ◼ ► it just in terms of aesthetics I just can't believe that what they've come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7793">TS</a>]
02:09:56 ◼ ► with you know and at the interfaces no better than putting around bunches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7796">TS</a>]
02:10:03 ◼ ► screens in fact interfaces worse because they don't have any kind of home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7803">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► on a watch it's like you've always got these cards that you click and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:10 ◼ ► no sense of where I find it very confusing in terms of spatial navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7810">TS</a>]
02:10:15 ◼ ► at least the iPod Nano has a home screen where you squeeze down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7815">TS</a>]
02:10:19 ◼ ► on and you've got a grid of apps like iOS which is still kinda weird iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7819">TS</a>]
02:10:24 ◼ ► application yeah it just doesn't quite fit on the screen that small yeah I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7824">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► get their name it as a as a tech demo or as if you saw it in a movie in the hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:37 ◼ ► had one that actually did use the full circle you think that was kind of cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7837">TS</a>]
02:10:41 ◼ ► as like movie you I that would look cool in the real world with the bar at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7841">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► bottom line it's where the letterbox like that it just it feels like a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:50 ◼ ► it feels like this is a half-baked product is trying to get out the door so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7850">TS</a>]
02:10:54 ◼ ► that they can get interest up for the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7854">TS</a>]
02:10:57 ◼ ► it's more about an investment in the hope that kind of works out but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7857">TS</a>]
02:11:01 ◼ ► don't see how batteries gonna work out I don't see how the UI I don't know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7861">TS</a>]
02:11:06 ◼ ► it's me just not thinking through it enough but it's just I've not seen one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7866">TS</a>]
02:11:08 ◼ ► of these things with a good user experience that would stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7868">TS</a>]
02:11:13 ◼ ► yeah I I have a palpable which is seems it's broadly similar mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7873">TS</a>]
02:11:19 ◼ ► Google now stuff is a total difference but i dont give Google by personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7879">TS</a>]
02:11:25 ◼ ► information I don't put my flight information into Google as always the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7885">TS</a>]
02:11:29 ◼ ► demos are always about goddamn flights to you know I i've you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7889">TS</a>]
02:11:35 ◼ ► if I i've never had a flight on my watch before but I've never missed a flight so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7895">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► I don't know that that's how great a Democrat is anything but I've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:45 ◼ ► device paired with my phone that shows all notifications from my phone on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7905">TS</a>]
02:11:49 ◼ ► wrist and makes my wrist buzz when I get a notification and its doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7909">TS</a>]
02:11:54 ◼ ► seem helpful at all it doesn't doesn't good for me wrong I mean I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7914">TS</a>]
02:12:01 ◼ ► this is going to be any more popular than public I don't think just showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7921">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► notifications on your wrist is useful I do kind of like the idea of the wings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:11 ◼ ► watch that you link to the other day the activity that's how I was the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7931">TS</a>]
02:12:17 ◼ ► I don't like about the thing is it's name but it's it's a nice looking watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7937">TS</a>]
02:12:21 ◼ ► it's not our fault even the website at all attractive fashionable people doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:26 ◼ ► interesting things and the woman is even swimming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7946">TS</a>]
02:12:29 ◼ ► a wee bit of Bluetooth and it does put our distance tracking I think it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7949">TS</a>]
02:12:36 ◼ ► swim out to so you can I know I think I've seen from the people or activity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7956">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► trackers that swimming is always been a little difficult to adjust you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► it though and it it strikes you as it's it's not i mean there's no digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► display is truly analog but maybe that's a smarter idea maybe there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:55 ◼ ► to be done with that yeah I don't know if it's good for everybody liked to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7975">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► like I said I think so as well as a typical $400 watch which in in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7978">TS</a>]
02:13:03 ◼ ► terms means not at all but in terms of people who make watches could be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7983">TS</a>]
02:13:08 ◼ ► little side business you know is it is it a sort of thing that a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7988">TS</a>]
02:13:11 ◼ ► million people are gonna buy no I don't think there's any chance of that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7991">TS</a>]
02:13:15 ◼ ► something a couple of 10,000 people would buy sure which makes me wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7995">TS</a>]
02:13:20 ◼ ► because it's just a minute so watching us got that dial and the dial is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8000">TS</a>]
02:13:23 ◼ ► the new moves from zero two hundred and and that's the kind of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8003">TS</a>]
02:13:27 ◼ ► anybody any watchmaker could add that feature yeah I could see that becoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8007">TS</a>]
02:13:33 ◼ ► like a new and you know that those sort of features becoming a bigger part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8013">TS</a>]
02:13:38 ◼ ► traditional watches there could be the next semester has that thing in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8018">TS</a>]
02:13:43 ◼ ► well that would be deceived like a Rolex be different as a Rolex isn't electronic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8023">TS</a>]
02:13:47 ◼ ► at all thats to me in the chemical watch might be cut out of all of this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8027">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► there's no electronics at all which is sort of the aesthetic beauty of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► mechanical watch bill like the Withings watch is quartz watch and it takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:01 ◼ ► standard watch battery but it has to be electronic to do any kind of Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8041">TS</a>]
02:14:06 ◼ ► about but but most of the watches most people buying the world are quartz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8046">TS</a>]
02:14:12 ◼ ► watches not mechanical watches so I still think that that the highest-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8052">TS</a>]
02:14:17 ◼ ► you know the mechanical automatic watches are still not gonna be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8057">TS</a>]
02:14:21 ◼ ► this but the vast majority of traditional watches our courts and could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8061">TS</a>]
02:14:26 ◼ ► be I think its time but I think that's part of I think the fact that it runs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8066">TS</a>]
02:14:30 ◼ ► advertised to run for a year on a standard watch battery is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8070">TS</a>]
02:14:34 ◼ ► of that whole a design is how it works like not having to worry about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8074">TS</a>]
02:14:38 ◼ ► battery more than once a year is an enormous difference from the girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8078">TS</a>]
02:14:43 ◼ ► watches which by all accounts so far need to be charged daley like asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8083">TS</a>]
02:14:49 ◼ ► someone to add another device that you have to charge every day is I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8089">TS</a>]
02:14:54 ◼ ► an enormous barrier and in some cases a device that would take up another IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8094">TS</a>]
02:15:00 ◼ ► address might not matter for you and me at home but for corporate types yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8100">TS</a>]
02:15:05 ◼ ► maybe I don't know I don't know did they need an IP address I thought it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8105">TS</a>]
02:15:08 ◼ ► Bluetooth and I think so i dont know im instant hit him like a matching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8108">TS</a>]
02:15:12 ◼ ► great I think that we all blindly tolerate the fact we have to charge our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8112">TS</a>]
02:15:17 ◼ ► phones every day because the phones in you know we can't with none of us want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8117">TS</a>]
02:15:22 ◼ ► to go back to pre iPhone smartphone life it worth it even though it's an enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8122">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► hassle whereas at some point in the decades to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:30 ◼ ► abd decade to come we're not gonna have to charge your phone every day and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8130">TS</a>]
02:15:34 ◼ ► gonna look back on the days when we'd go to the airport and everybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8134">TS</a>]
02:15:39 ◼ ► fighting over electrical sockets and grown and grown man wearing suits are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8139">TS</a>]
02:15:44 ◼ ► sitting on the floor of the airport so that they can power charger because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8144">TS</a>]
02:15:48 ◼ ► phone was dead at three in the afternoon we can look back and think my god we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8148">TS</a>]
02:15:53 ◼ ► adding another device with that sort of constant need for charging is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8153">TS</a>]
02:15:59 ◼ ► enormous hassle has to add two to make it worthwhile that people would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8159">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► go through with that it has to add a lot of utility I think whereas all I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:09 ◼ ► take my phone out of my pocket to see who just texted me I can just look at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8169">TS</a>]
02:16:12 ◼ ► rest to me doesn't cross that barrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8172">TS</a>]
02:16:16 ◼ ► close in the best case scenario is not you making your flight at the best-case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8176">TS</a>]
02:16:21 ◼ ► scenarios not even having maps data on your wrist isn't compelling enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8181">TS</a>]
02:16:26 ◼ ► taking my phone in my pocket is not that hard right I don't think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8186">TS</a>]
02:16:30 ◼ ► difference between taking my phone out of my pocket vs slipping my rest to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8190">TS</a>]
02:16:37 ◼ ► watch face visible is that much of a difference yes it is easier to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8197">TS</a>]
02:16:44 ◼ ► regular wrist watch when I want to see what time it is I do just look at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8204">TS</a>]
02:16:47 ◼ ► wrist I don't take out my phone but the difference isn't that great for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8207">TS</a>]
02:16:51 ◼ ► things like it totally makes sense to me it makes a lot of sense to me how an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8211">TS</a>]
02:16:56 ◼ ► awful lot of people especially as they skew younger say I don't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8216">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► you'd want to wear a timepiece wristwatch I just look at my phone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:04 ◼ ► it's not that big a difference and that to me is the entire reason these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8224">TS</a>]
02:17:08 ◼ ► do exist other than the fitness tracking which there's a lot of awful lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8228">TS</a>]
02:17:14 ◼ ► subtle solutions out there right you somebody's worried if it but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8234">TS</a>]
02:17:19 ◼ ► somebody's galaxy y her live SmartWatch and you know it because they've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8239">TS</a>]
02:17:25 ◼ ► giant brick unrest if if only they could put on their face so I think these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8245">TS</a>]
02:17:29 ◼ ► things are done on rival going nowhere and predict that if if Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8249">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► something risk wearable to show this fall that it won't resemble these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:38 ◼ ► it's similar to the argument to it the Daily Show thing about the Google glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8258">TS</a>]
02:17:47 ◼ ► explorers yes the the ability to access that information with Google glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8267">TS</a>]
02:17:56 ◼ ► without looking away from the person it's a similar argument being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8276">TS</a>]
02:18:01 ◼ ► see the time without taking different in your pocket or to see your notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8281">TS</a>]
02:18:06 ◼ ► that taking your phone in your pocket it takes a certain kind of person for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8286">TS</a>]
02:18:09 ◼ ► to be worthwhile it feels more like I think we can do with technology rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8289">TS</a>]
02:18:13 ◼ ► than solving a real problem yeah I it doesn't seem just seems like you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8293">TS</a>]
02:18:19 ◼ ► solved a very very small problem which is that on my phone out of my pocket and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8299">TS</a>]
02:18:23 ◼ ► then you have to have your phone with you can't go out without the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8303">TS</a>]
02:18:26 ◼ ► still have a connection because you're not a Bluetooth rain so you can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8306">TS</a>]
02:18:29 ◼ ► go for a run and leave your phone at home and do all the things you do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8309">TS</a>]
02:18:33 ◼ ► your phone because you've lost the connection it doesn't solve that bike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8313">TS</a>]
02:18:36 ◼ ► that would be a true that would be a real problem solved but I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8316">TS</a>]
02:18:41 ◼ ► social problem is that the real thing you don't want to do is take your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8321">TS</a>]
02:18:44 ◼ ► out to look at a notification you're talking to somebody so you're not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8324">TS</a>]
02:18:48 ◼ ► not solving that problem they're just masking yeah and if you get if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8328">TS</a>]
02:18:52 ◼ ► and it's important notification you can have to do it anyway and if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8332">TS</a>]
02:18:56 ◼ ► important notification why you getting a notification and it doesn't it at no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8336">TS</a>]
02:19:02 ◼ ► point has ever been played too kindly check your watchman talking to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8342">TS</a>]
02:19:05 ◼ ► when the other things to do drives me nuts whenever I've tried and ratings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8345">TS</a>]
02:19:08 ◼ ► read defaults to showing a lot more notifications and all notifications put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8348">TS</a>]
02:19:12 ◼ ► an icon in the status bar and I noticed during Ohio even on the demos that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8352">TS</a>]
02:19:17 ◼ ► cleaned-up prepared demos for the software that status bar was just chock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8357">TS</a>]
02:19:23 ◼ ► you know there's like three gmail icon because you've got three new messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8363">TS</a>]
02:19:27 ◼ ► for Gmail and I can't believe it doesn't drive people that like walking into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8367">TS</a>]
02:19:32 ◼ ► somebody's house and disorganized I got stuff all over the place like dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8372">TS</a>]
02:19:37 ◼ ► dishes out says I look around my office got like literally like 447 cardboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8377">TS</a>]
02:19:45 ◼ ► boxes from Amazon yet but if your gonna show pictures of your your home can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8385">TS</a>]
02:19:49 ◼ ► clean it up now well we keep my office I don't know I can't help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8389">TS</a>]
02:19:58 ◼ ► this is going to be another one of those things where Apple shows a wearable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8398">TS</a>]
02:20:03 ◼ ► looks nothing like these things does something different and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8403">TS</a>]
02:20:06 ◼ ► too and that's just too tired all is a go back seven years celebrate the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8406">TS</a>]
02:20:10 ◼ ► anniversary the other thing about the original iPhone seven years ago is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8410">TS</a>]
02:20:14 ◼ ► they first shipped it or showed it on stage it seemed too good to be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8414">TS</a>]
02:20:18 ◼ ► there was this and and famously like rim had like a meeting the next day where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8418">TS</a>]
02:20:24 ◼ ► they they just their conclusion was Apple is lying about the capabilities of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8424">TS</a>]
02:20:28 ◼ ► this device because it can't do the things that they're saying it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8428">TS</a>]
02:20:31 ◼ ► last all day like there's nothing about these Google where the Android wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8431">TS</a>]
02:20:39 ◼ ► watches even the Moto 320 that makes anybody say I can't believe that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8439">TS</a>]
02:20:46 ◼ ► were able to build that this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8446">TS</a>]
02:20:48 ◼ ► well it doesn't help that they're sitting there telling everybody how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8448">TS</a>]
02:20:50 ◼ ► works but thats good thing is talking about here is how we got this together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8450">TS</a>]
02:20:55 ◼ ► yeah but there's no aspect of the technology that that that is surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8455">TS</a>]
02:20:59 ◼ ► or seems like wow that should that seems like it's from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8459">TS</a>]
02:21:03 ◼ ► the future it's dead sort of Android Google's index philosophy thing away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8463">TS</a>]
02:21:10 ◼ ► anytime you see even even the more popular Linux apps or the things that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8470">TS</a>]
02:21:17 ◼ ► it all has that error of people sitting around like a modern-day version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8477">TS</a>]
02:21:22 ◼ ► those electronics kiss you goodbye Radio Shack here's the stuff and here's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8482">TS</a>]
02:21:27 ◼ ► we can do it the stuff and I made you a video right which is cool if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8487">TS</a>]
02:21:30 ◼ ► bunch of kids making a hobby type thing our university project is pointless if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8490">TS</a>]
02:21:36 ◼ ► its major initiative from you know one of the 10 biggest corporations in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8496">TS</a>]
02:21:43 ◼ ► world that wants to make a product for a billion people like if I went over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8503">TS</a>]
02:21:47 ◼ ► test and there is a kid showing off a wearable that was like Google glass I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8507">TS</a>]
02:21:52 ◼ ► really impressed more of the same thing with these watches right I would be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8512">TS</a>]
02:21:58 ◼ ► very impressive looking like I get right Dave presenting their presenting this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8518">TS</a>]
02:22:05 ◼ ► something that maybe millions of people will be buying for Christmas this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8525">TS</a>]
02:22:08 ◼ ► and I think that it's not going to happen and I think Apple is either a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8528">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► gonna show nothing and they're not going to get into this or be there gonna show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8534">TS</a>]
02:22:17 ◼ ► something that very different and then all of a sudden next year's Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8537">TS</a>]
02:22:20 ◼ ► Android wear watches will look an awful lot like the one that Apple unveiled at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8540">TS</a>]
02:22:26 ◼ ► the end of 2014 and all the Google people are gonna be like yeah but we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8546">TS</a>]
02:22:30 ◼ ► had we had watches the year before to kill just because I was changed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8550">TS</a>]
02:22:35 ◼ ► next year and happened to do exactly like the Apple there was always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8555">TS</a>]
02:22:39 ◼ ► get there this is just the nature of it it it's funny that before the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8559">TS</a>]
02:22:44 ◼ ► came out there is an all the rumors about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8564">TS</a>]
02:22:46 ◼ ► an Apple iPhone and iPhone they weren't close to the mark and nobody guessed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8566">TS</a>]
02:22:52 ◼ ► but there was a lot of imagination people you look at all these mock-ups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8572">TS</a>]
02:22:57 ◼ ► these these fake phones that people put together in Photoshop and in 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8577">TS</a>]
02:23:02 ◼ ► and people were people had a lot of interesting ideas of how Apple might do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8582">TS</a>]
02:23:07 ◼ ► phone there's nothing like that for a watch know well and while the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8587">TS</a>]
02:23:14 ◼ ► thing know too well again I think that watches the wrong with look at it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8594">TS</a>]
02:23:17 ◼ ► there might be something like that for what you get your rest I don't know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8597">TS</a>]
02:23:23 ◼ ► hope that Apple has something to show because I think if they do it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8603">TS</a>]
02:23:26 ◼ ► be really interesting and thoughtful and I think it's going to be a necessity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8606">TS</a>]
02:23:31 ◼ ► push the boundaries of what we considered technically possible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8611">TS</a>]
02:23:36 ◼ ► there's nothing about that with the Google where stuff doesn't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8616">TS</a>]
02:23:41 ◼ ► magic at all now it just feels like well it seems like you know by now you ought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8621">TS</a>]
02:23:44 ◼ ► to be able to make the equivalent of a two hundred you know an iPod Nano with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8624">TS</a>]
02:23:50 ◼ ► with Bluetooth right as of today I'm not excited at all about Apple making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8630">TS</a>]
02:23:56 ◼ ► wearable thing that I put on my wrist I if they do it i hope that through Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8636">TS</a>]
02:24:02 ◼ ► style be suddenly I'll be salivating over the thing I well I'm my optimism is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8642">TS</a>]
02:24:07 ◼ ► because because it's not because I have a good imagination of what it would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8647">TS</a>]
02:24:11 ◼ ► cuz i dont I'm with you on that I can't imagine what they would make them go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8651">TS</a>]
02:24:15 ◼ ► nowhere but my get my confidence that they're only on the ship something if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8655">TS</a>]
02:24:19 ◼ ► they have an answer to that question that I just haven't thought about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8659">TS</a>]
02:24:22 ◼ ► eye on C I'm the big difference from 2007 his ID reason I was blown away as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8662">TS</a>]
02:24:26 ◼ ► really I would have considered impossible before the keynote to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8666">TS</a>]
02:24:31 ◼ ► aids quote-unquote stripped down version of OS 10 running if somebody would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8671">TS</a>]
02:24:36 ◼ ► said to me before here's what I think they're gonna do is gonna show they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8676">TS</a>]
02:24:40 ◼ ► gonna have an iPhone and its gonna run stripped down version of iOS 10 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8680">TS</a>]
02:24:45 ◼ ► I would have had my response would have been well that's not possible maybe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8685">TS</a>]
02:24:49 ◼ ► the future that night I would agree with that so I think that whatever Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8689">TS</a>]
02:24:54 ◼ ► gonna have to risk is going to be that sort of thing I didn't think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8694">TS</a>]
02:24:58 ◼ ► possible yet but here it is I think that that's really gonna come down to Battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8698">TS</a>]
02:25:02 ◼ ► I think that's a big shot and that's why I think that the weird thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8702">TS</a>]
02:25:06 ◼ ► that the the focus on iPhone Android style LCD displays in the Android where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8706">TS</a>]
02:25:14 ◼ ► is why I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's the biggest reason they only get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8714">TS</a>]
02:25:18 ◼ ► one day about it is because God because the display displays take someone to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8718">TS</a>]
02:25:23 ◼ ► battery you know like I said with Jonas before his he gets terrible battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8723">TS</a>]
02:25:26 ◼ ► fulbright plays it's just an enormous enormous strain didn't Steve Jobs say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8726">TS</a>]
02:25:31 ◼ ► that at one point that the biggest drain on the battery in the iPhone was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8731">TS</a>]
02:25:35 ◼ ► display yeah I can open secret I mean it's just simple you know just lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8735">TS</a>]
02:25:41 ◼ ► up millions of this is why I think that with things activity steampunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8741">TS</a>]
02:25:46 ◼ ► approaches pretty smart yeah I'd I don't think I would actually I'll just go so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8746">TS</a>]
02:25:50 ◼ ► far as to say I think I'd be very surprised if Apple's wearable is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8750">TS</a>]
02:25:54 ◼ ► iPhone style display on your ass and I don't know if it will be no display I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8754">TS</a>]
02:25:58 ◼ ► don't know if it's like I think that just collects data but I don't I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8758">TS</a>]
02:26:02 ◼ ► don't see how running a display and therefore only getting one day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8762">TS</a>]
02:26:07 ◼ ► a desirable comes out I don't know I think we're filled up the hour its rapid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8767">TS</a>]
02:26:14 ◼ ► update whiskas people can can find you on Twitter what's your username this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8774">TS</a>]
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02:26:41 ◼ ► on sale for the summer $2.99 and I think thanks to you you you said for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8801">TS</a>]