86: ‘Diddling Your Feeds’, With Dave Wiskus
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you got a bigger role on the show I don't doubt I would never really talked
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about it but you at you now have significantly I mean second to me maybe
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even more than me bigger role on the show I gotta tell you the the editing on
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your show lately has been outstanding so Dave whiskey is now does the editing of
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the show I don't we actually were just talking about this the other day I have
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actually never listened to it complete episode of talk-show I don't think I
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have a well when when I'm doing the Edit sometimes I'm just looking for you know
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where things overlap demanded by both the whole thing going and doing but the
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editing part I'm just looking for it's kind of like looking at the matrix how
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long does it take it a person of the talk show like a two-hour episode will
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take about two hours in real time
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about yeah I think most people takes usually about 1.5 bar code seems to say
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it takes him around three hours 44 natpe well that's if the show is more than two
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people a two-person show is pretty easy to add it because things don't you don't
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you don't ever run into a situation where three people were trying to talk
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at the same time right now that's probably the biggest problem is because
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your your professional always has three people because it's you and Jamie and
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the guests and I pretty much have to listen to the show every second of the
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audio to make sure that things are right now it's sometimes people monologue a
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little bit and that gives me a chance to skip had a couple of seconds it's not
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like I'm listening to make sure that there and I was there I know what they
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said so I don't have to worry about content I'm listening for audio and when
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things overlap and make sure it's not weird background noise and stuff like
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crosstalk is not as is a big problem with three people yet and it's it's you
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know someone person will stop talking and then the other two might go to say
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something and you get that that handshake thing of oh no sorry go ahead
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no you go ahead it's weird I'm in a weird position that I
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well I'm not on it I don't listen to that many podcasts
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trying to listen more but my my my percentage of average week that I'm
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recording a podcast is pretty close to the percentage of a week that I listen
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to podcasts so I'm like very very close to being you know recording as many
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podcasts I listen to at least I'm wise because I can listen to more than I
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required to listen in like 1.5 X and whenever I'm on a show especially not
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the show but like a special guest on some other show like with you know a guy
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to bug like we were a couple weeks ago when we're recording a crosstalk always
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gets to me and I think that was horrible I tried to say something clearly it was
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like the second or so of latency with Skype and somebody else had already
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started talking and it it is very difficult to auto corrected for the
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guests to auto correct that like you would in real life we are recording
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around the table you can make eye contact like a raise your finger I've
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got a point to make but once it starts on a Skype recorded show it seems like
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everybody wants to be polite and stop but then that's you know I mean yeah and
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it seems like this could be solved the software either I guess there's an
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argument to be made for it everybody just does skype video then you're
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looking at each other but that doesn't quite cover now I guess you could do
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with being where somebody clicks a button and they raised their hands on a
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WebEx this but you're not here not really looking at each other with the
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webcam looking at the camera and everybody who looks at your video feed
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sees you the same way as opposed to you know if you're literally around the
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table and you're talking I can specifically point to you and be like
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you know I've got some dad yeah it's never gonna be the same as it is sit
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around a table and it always shows to cause I know why I remember thinking it
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was a strikingly good podcast was the episode of debug debug I have so many
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got themselves but it was the one that
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they recorded the day after the WBC count or maybe it was the day but it was
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they but they went to Macworld office and used borrowed Mac world's podcast
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studio yeah and they had so many gas they had they cannot like six or seven
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people I am a 70 is a bunch of really smart people you know Ryan Iranians and
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I nelson rose on trance resign you know as a bit more than Africa but it was
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great and I just had this is gonna be crazy they're gonna be crossed talking
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over each other but because they were in the same room it was actually remarkably
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well-organized a modified by the fact that guy and Renee and then Ryan and
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reinsert just the nicest people in nobody's gonna try to be a jerk in their
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room so you edit the podcast now you're doing the editing for the talk show has
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it gone I mean it's it's adding I can only get it forces me to listen to the
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show the forces me to listen to the show in a different way like you I don't
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spend a ton of time listening to podcasts and that I don't want to it's
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that I don't have a commute I don't have liked that time every day where I that
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would be my habit so having having somebody else's show it at it so
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unprofessional have done that from us two years I edit the TV show the things
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they do it for now but that's like I was there during recording so it's not the
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same kind of listening so interesting to listen and try to make editorial choices
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while it goes rather than having a list in my head of things I just need a
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knockout and then the other thing you're doing so we talk about the standard by
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which I mean it's weird like its a secret but we haven't talked about it is
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you're also
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handling the sponsorships for the show when people want to sponsor the show
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they're really they're going to get in contact with you right but it's weird
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it's we are sort of maybe it's probably my fault where the transition transition
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from you all to hosting an enduring fireball was sort of one weird thing at
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a time and now it's like we're up off the air and it's working and nobody's
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complaining at all I don't have any complaints so it seems like the feed
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keeps working you know how cloud hosting has worked just fine
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nobody really seems to have mister B download numbers are completely on par
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with where they were
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I'll say this about editing it's forced me to re-evaluate audio quality people
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more pills and your show them my show and so suddenly after care about how how
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well encoded in mp3 or so change my workflow there why do you why do you use
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mp3 instead of you know I really thought about it babe I my assumption is that
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mp3 it can be the thing that the most people would be able to play yeah that's
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what I would too that's why I've always gone with that I guess I didn't choose
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with your when I was with me all that was just sent a Mario and and the
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podcast one up and there was no choice but they would do you know the show's
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been mp3 as long as I can remember I think ATP those EAC that wouldn't
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surprise me that something America thing to do
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seems like something I would do too I don't know I would be very surprised if
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the percentage of people who listen to the talk show who would have a problem
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if I switched from mp3 to AAC if it was more than one percent when we can
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certainly try it now what's the point I kind of like mp3 is the one that also
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going to be most likely to be listening listenable 200 years mp3 is like its own
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brand people know it mp3 is even on computer people know it mp3 is a AC
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might have some technical you know
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we're at the same sort of stupid things to argue about 10 years ago we're at the
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same rate you know you can get a couple you know twenty percent more songs but
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now it's like nobody nobody cares about that whole point was that at a certain
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point when the iPod switch from mp3 to m4r added AAC support and the iTunes
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Store is using AC they went from like like five gigabytes was what you needed
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for a thousand songs to 4 gigabytes because the same quality by somebody is
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clearly subjective measurement you know you can have the same quality of audio
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and save 20% on storage my matter little bit more because the podcast is a lot
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longer than a song and people are downloading these things nowadays mostly
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over the air right and people want to and a lot of cases download them over
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cellular call the podcast clients have to negotiate a sort of tricky set of
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preferences in manual controls so that you're not downloading over cellular
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without knowing that you're doing it because you could blow right through the
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data cap easily yeah that would be a rude awakening you've run out of date
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and it's all right forecasts for you know and do go overseas or something
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like that and the data cap might be expensive
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be very small right like 50 bucks for 250 megabytes well that might be the
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whole you know you know one episode of the show might be too but you want to
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enable it to some people do want that some people might have if you have any
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gigabyte Verizon monthly plan you might want to download or you know just you
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know you really might do some people who really do want that iPhone to just treat
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wifi and cellular identically yeah I'm never when I'm at home come anywhere
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near my data plan but when I travel time I got rising and does that thing after
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after a hundred megs or something like that created as it charges you another
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$25 if I'm gone for two weeks I've spent like to $300 and data yeah I don't think
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I spent the whole time and there is always wifi
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maybe that was it although now that I mention this to you in making a note to
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myself I don't think I did that then I was supposed to do which was every time
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I go to Verizon before I go over the country and I add to my plan the 250
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megabytes for 20 bucks thing for international data but then you like a
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month later when your next bill comes you gotta go on and turn it off
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otherwise you're paying for it every month yeah may or may not have just paid
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foreign man I just got a few days ago and I saw that is still on there from
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April or whenever where there is it's funny because he used to I know last
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year did that thing you do the things we get the temporary SIM card because you
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go over to the Amsterdam to write what you doing over there to do the two SIM
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card thing or do you just pay Verizon when I was living there what I did was I
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went to the tmobile store and it's like 10 10 euros or something 441 gave data
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and that's pretty cheap and you can run on a gig for about a month of just no
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normal daily checking Twitter and stuff like that so I just used a tmobile sim
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when I was over there for a longer term if this is gonna be a week or something
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I'll stick with rising and deal with the ridiculous data charges and iMessage the
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way that I messaged bridges SMS though is it gets screwy when you change your
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phone number with the woods and put it with putting a temporary SIM card right
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suddenly those messages that should be going to your phone number are now going
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who knows where right and you might be sending messages from a phone number
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that you don't want people to ever sent you again in the future and right and
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you can
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you know you can usually usually when I'm sending somebody who I know how I
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prefer to send address it to their email address rather than their phone number
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as I feel like it's more permanent but I don't know I just remember that the year
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before I ran it all sorts of it was great price wise getting a temporary SIM
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card it was like more data than I could use while I was in Ireland for very very
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reasonable price but it was very confusing I message was it's a it's a
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big hassle my when I was living over in Amsterdam my my nightly ritual my
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routine was that when I get home I would pop the sim out but my old sim in and
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give it five minutes to see if any messages came in and then stop them back
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I don't know what to suggest Apple because it's such a weird edge case and
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I don't want to suggest I I but I want somehow be able to tell the i phone use
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this sim card only for data
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you know me just keep using my number yeah this is not a phone number just use
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this sim card for data gets it somehow that's the edge case where the way that
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we as a technical culture have conflated the legacy telephone network where you
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have this unique worldwide unique phone number with just give me the internet
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which is really all I want I have no desire whatsoever
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0 ever to use the actual phone or text messaging with a temporary SIM card all
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I want is IP networking and there's but there's no way to tell the iPhone it
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seems like I don't know if this is iowa 7 I was a but lately when I have to do
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something like that it still says my phone number so I don't know if maybe
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they've changed it to where the phone number can linger even if you get rid of
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your city how does it work with the iPad when you have a cellular iPad you do
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have a phone number they get it says it like when you go into your settings to
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deal with you know whatever carrier is that you have it tells you a phone or
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SIM card for an iPad has a phone number but I don't think you can ever received
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text messages at that number no man can't imagine that's probably just like
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I don't know a function of it being a SIM card so I don't know I guess it's
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not a confusing I guess so I guess what I want is a way to tell an iPhone to go
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into iPad load and this use of this sim card only for data there's also an
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argument to be made for give me two sim slots yeah but that's confusing because
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I don't want people sending text messages while I'm out of the country
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because it's a sign that much money but it's you know it's annoying if somebody
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who actually has like an Android phone send you a text cause I don't know your
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country and you paid two dollars just to receive it
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get for talking with us people in any way back to the matter talk about the
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show so so one reason I would never come up you know that you were down selling
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the show the sponsorships for this show and your show and rents and and Chris
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paris's show I've never read reason to bring it up is that this shows
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sponsorships have been sold out for a while and they're still so that I think
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the delay we're recording right now on June 30 and they're sold out through
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August right yeah there's nothing open in the last week of August so there's
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been no reason to publicize it but for anybody who's curious if you're out
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there you listen I've never had to bring this up before does it take to shows you
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know lucky enough that it's been sold out and we have so many repeat sponsors
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who keep buying up spots but anybody has ever been curious you have a product or
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something he thought maybe I should sponsor the talk show you can go to
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standard with a recall in standard . FM is the website ya go to standard and go
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from there and then you can show yeah it's pretty much it ends with people
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emailing me not a podcast never know we're very careful about that there's a
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I think there's so much discussion going into this about how can we do this
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without being another podcast now it's just a way to its like the one aspect of
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a podcast network that that we wanted which is
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that way less work for one person to sell sponsorships from multiple shows
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than it is for each show to book their own sponsorships really what it came
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down to it I realized with me having to sell my own spots for unprofessional
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just made sense and you were gonna be leaving you land and everybody had one
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problem like all of us that are we all had the same problems as well you know
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what I'm doing it from mine would it be easier it probably would be easier if I
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have I could go to sponsors and say well we're a group and make other things
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yeah it's just a lot and it's one of those things where that a little bit of
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collectivism saves a lot of work yet and I mean there's a sort of tangible
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benefit to Q branch to where I if if brent is working on code and not
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worrying about how he's gonna sell sponsorship for his podcasters website
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would pay well as retail boutique places and at the cheap I boutique places
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really they should not cost as much as an iPhone prescription glasses at Warby
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eyeglasses recently you know those prices are way way they don't joke
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around with upsells on all the stuff you've won anyway like antireflective
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glasses that are made out of that plastic that they made the first iPod
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where if you look at it funny they get scratched no of course not you want all
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the good stuff and this is the thing and I have heard this before but it really
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works you think while wait I do care about all my classes like I care of my
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of glasses that are gonna look good on me because you know you might see a pair
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on web pages and what that looks cool but you don't have a good idea well
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your face but the other thing that this is the big deal is that they have this
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against each other already with a label to ship it right back to them if you
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like one of them you can just order right there say this is the one I like
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couldn't be easier we just didn't hear my wife just got a pair of sunglasses
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from Warby Parker everything was exactly as described
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she got five pairs in a box to pick the one you like the most and like literally
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really really happy and if anything she's picking a time that the pretty
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brilliant setup yeah it really is and and I think it's no surprise that
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so many people I know so many people who have classes from them and I've never
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heard anybody said you know everybody's really really happy with it so where do
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you go to find out easy Warby Parker dot com slash the talk-show Warby Parker dot
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work with Google ask you no then I don't think it do yet but you did you joke
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they were mentioned though at some point like a year ago they were mentioned as a
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partner that was helping to protect by you know stylized class I don't know if
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that fell through or if it still could be the last week they key after a
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drummer who was it it's some fashion brand that I don't recall off the top of
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my head that they did release a bunch of designer frames for Google glass I can't
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remember Diane something that's that's close enough and you know they just look
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really really like Google did everything wrong with you can do it right i mean
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when you have like a two inch by one inch battery pack behind her right ear
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you know there's not much you can do it looks like you wanna go to last we have
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a hearing problem I guess I would argue that I hope the grass always looks like
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Google glass so I can spot it you know what that's too complicated and talked
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about this with people on the show before where it let's face it though
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that's not going to happen and I like like just in terms of of being a
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technical damn Google glass is is in the grand scheme of technology is you know
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it's amazing it's like jet jet packs and flying cars it's something you've always
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thought about as a kid as you could put head-up display in front of your eyes in
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real life and it's you know in the grand scheme of things pretty small and
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real-world practical use it's nowhere near small enough to be unnoticeable
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but if that's where we are today in 2014 or where we were in 2012 I guess what
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came out you know I don't think it's gonna be shocking if ten years from now
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you can make a pair of glass that doesn't look different from a pair of
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regular eyeglasses and I'm sure I mean look at our house how much smaller
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cameras have gotten i mean the camera seems like it'd probably be easier part
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to make indistinguishable to somehow hide in the frame of the glasses
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really comes down to the battery even the heads of the display part there's
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other things they can do to either build that into your your eyeglass lens or
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what they do in cars for the projection something yeah I agree the battery is
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probably a bigger bigger challenge and the display part I don't somehow the
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figure out a way to make it so that it's it's integrated in the lands as opposed
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to a weird things to come out and you know it's gonna be a weird thing when
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you don't know whether people are recording you are not I think I think
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it's a foolish to think that we're not gonna have to deal with that in our
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lifetimes clearly coming is it is it maybe they were old fuddy-duddy is when
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we came from an era before this and it's going to be just like
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I don't know at the gas station where we don't think about that we don't feel
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like that's invasion of privacy maybe I kid born today by the time they're old
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enough they're never gonna think of something like Google glasses being
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invasive yeah I think so I think it's something like that where it it just
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becomes part of the world around you and you accept you have to accept it because
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you don't have a choice you know I think that if you went back thirty or forty
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years and told people about a world where everybody can send and receive
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phone calls anywhere they are at any point dinner car anywhere you can just
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always be reached your phone is ringing any time you can always call us anytime
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to dinner and talking on the phone at tables near you they would say that
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sounds I would think they would have a similar reaction to the way I feel about
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people being able to record me at any time
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yeah yeah probably I think you know if version of me that would have been my
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age now then we'll probably have an anxiety attack the thought of that
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yeah it's an appealing and I said I but I'm a person who thinks it relatively
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unappealing to get phone calls you know I mean I tend to not answer my phone
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usually so and I don't get them 'cause period anyway you know from person now
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and even someone who want to talk to you like my dad calls me I like talking to a
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couple times a week and talk about baseball or whatever but if I'm like out
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if I'm like waiting in line at the supermarket pay and my dad cause we are
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just gonna send a right to voicemail call home
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like I think it's crazy when people do things like pick up the phone when you
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know for something that's not an immediate you know I give you get a call
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from your kids school where you want to answer that right away cause who knows
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maybe its emergency but if it's just my dad calling I mean why would I take that
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phone call in the supermarket kills me is the people who will answer the phone
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when they're in the passenger seat of a car I have ever seen that
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it's it's just rude cuz if you have a driver you're you're now trapped in a
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situation where you're you're somebody chauffeured you're listening to one half
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of a conversation at this weird yeah we're like you know people are out to
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you know it's like a table for four
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restaurant and somebody just answers random starts talking it seems very
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strange to view larger baseball game at dinner
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yeah but I don't turn the volume up you don't you don't think there's a similar
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sort of thing happening there were there is no there's the the rudeness of
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causing noise disturb other people and then there's the how how engaged are you
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with the people around you as I can criticizing use its point taken
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you know it's probably not the most played 10 that I do I don't do it all
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the time ya know then that i think is really that different from somebody
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checking Twitter at the table or whatever it's it's it's it's all on a
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spectrum and then way and if you went back and talked about it go back twenty
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thirty years it all seems pretty rude and you know that the devices are
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driving more attention than other people around us at the baseball thing it's a
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comical example of something that we all do well I'll check your phone even if
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it's just a my my phone buzzed in my pocket no excuse myself for my most
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polite I'm still ignoring somebody for a minute yeah and we're all a little
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hypocritical about it where the things that we love most about waterfront lez
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do we think are ok and the things we don't care about our route so I don't
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like talking on the phone I don't get many phone calls so I'll blather on
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about how rude it is that people talk on the phone but I love watching Yankees
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and so you know I think being able to watch the Yankees game while I is
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amazing technology so I admit that but I admit I have the self-awareness to admit
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that I'm being a hypocrite to present it that way I wish that Verizon would give
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me 20 minutes plan thirty minutes but I use about 35 minutes a month I would
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happily pay less I don't even know what we get we use a lot we've shared pool in
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Amite speaks on the phone
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but we don't think we coming close to using all the minutes I think that the
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we're at the point even know even if he uses her phone even close to using any
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you know what they gave us the crazy based on measurement yeah like AOL yeah
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I mean does anybody is there anybody who needs like extra minutes I guess are
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some people who have a job that they're really truly on the phone all the time
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real estate agent or something like that you know that some jobs you really are
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on your cell phone making phone calls all day every day but I don't know they
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have to pay extra for that it just seems like everybody has unlimited plans some
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people have the $100 just for the phone part of it or something but you get
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effectively or literally unlimited talk time it why not make that the standard I
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don't know maybe just a holdover from the fact that they're kind of a there in
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their moving into just being a dumb carrier at this point speaking of rude
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and callous behavior to see this thing you had to see it came out over the
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weekend that Facebook had been running a psychological experiment where they took
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a 600,000 700,000 users and half of them they randomly tried to algorithmically
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make their feed a little happier and the other half they tried to make it a
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little sadder and then tried to measure with like certain keywords like through
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for the remainder of the week were the things that those people those two pools
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posted a little did indicated they were in better or worse moods and the answer
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was yes that actually did seem to have some sort of effect on their mood that
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the people whose bid was to make them happier seem to be happier and then 12
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hurdled to
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and I guess I i mean this in turn I got some feedback on Twitter and an email
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from people saying that it's it's not helpful for me to say I'm I did Justin
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my responses I'm surprised that people are surprised and I'm with you on that
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because this is what Facebook does so for example compare and contrast to if
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the same thing had been announced about twitter twitter is screwy company and I
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don't quite get their strategy I think that the people who run Twitter are not
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very good at Twitter or they're not very good at seeing what Twitter is good for
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but if this had come out about Twitter I would have been very I would have been
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surprised because it doesn't sound like something Twitter would do and I would
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have been surprised and I think it would have been appalled you know I would but
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it would seem out of character for Twitter incorporated to do something
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like this
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whereas that bad to me is my point my point isn't to be so cynical is to
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assume that all companies are doing stuff like that nobody should be
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outraged about Facebook here because this is what they do what i'm saying is
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open your eyes this is what Facebook does time and time again and I think
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that's it
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distinction I think the Twitter it would not surprise me if we found out they
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were doing things with your night with your stream but evaluating your stream
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for advertising might even do that now I don't know but anything anything about
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that they get a googly sort of way
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looking at your stuff and then using that to decide what other stuff they
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show you I by that I don't be offended by that but trying to manipulate me
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emotionally I don't know though maybe and I people you know I don't want to be
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too callous about it and I think it clearly shows
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makes Facebook as a corporation come across as incredibly cows it's really no
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doubt about it but some people like it sounds like you're one of them really
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feel like anything
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related to attempting to manipulate people's emotions is just crossing the
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sort of at the goal line that that should not be crossed
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whereas I would say isn't every advertisement in an attempt to
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manipulate people emotionally I i agree with that and I would say that it's not
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the it's not that they're trying to manipulate me emotionally it's that
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they're willing to manipulate me emotionally in a negative way if there
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if they're all true my timeline to try to make me happier if it works great if
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they're true my timeline to try to make me sad that's not okay yeah but you
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can't do the science without having like a control group I'm not trying to defend
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it I'm just saying I can kind of see their perspective if your gonna be sick
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bastards see to me the part that defensive is is is not that they tried
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to make some sadness I'm happy it I I don't think that they tried to make
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rupaul suicide I haven't read enough details I would like to i'd be curious
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to see if you were in one of the two groups what the difference would be like
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here's what you're for example users feed would've looked like if they
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weren't chosen for it at all
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well they probably do things like if you're if you're single they're gonna
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show you lots of posts of people getting married and having babies and so can
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make you feel better relationship emphasize other peoples relationships
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are some things out and exactly but I'm curious I haven't seen a lot of details
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about exactly how they did the manipulation
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the guy who did it just wrote a response I haven't read it yet but apparently I
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mean he's gone on record as saying here's here's why we did we did it just
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it there's a certain tone deafness to them that they that they seem to be
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surprised there are people reacting this way because it's not like this was a
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secret internal project that had a whistleblower leaked it on paper they
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published in a real scientific journal you know they published it they were
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proud of the science behind in their minds that people would be grossed out
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by the raid that that this might be something they
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wouldn't want to tell people that they're doing like there is obviously a
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very strange culture their Facebook that it never even occurred to them that
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people might be offended by this I mean a/b testing with people's mental health
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that there is you know clearly you know there's an some people have even called
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it out there is even you know I did even specifically says that some about
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research you know who reads that nobody cuz it's ok and it is super long and
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of the argument is that everybody has hasn't coached you know he can you
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imagine Apple doing something like that and saying well if you would have read
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that iTunes update agreement that was all there but I think the the most
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upsetting part to me it's like as a designer I think to myself though the
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way the part of why I think that would never do something like this is Twitter
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you're seeing the stream and the value is in having all of that data the value
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to you like there's an expectation that all of the tweets are gonna be there and
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Facebook's approaches you're not you're not a Facebook user so I guess you don't
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get to see this have to happen I'm really anxious to sign up now but they
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do a thing where they don't show you a timeline they show you it's kind of a
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timeline but they order it however they want right and so when you when you open
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the Facebook app on your phone it pushes you to the top
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it's going to go top or it leaves you in the same spot you would like a sort of
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Jackie tap here to load more kind of a thing but I go to the top like there's
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no rhyme or reason to why the things are ordered the way they are they do it the
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thing is the top isn't the newest thing and it doesn't even seem to be the most
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important to most interesting and and my guess is that the manipulation is that
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right and maybe they make things that they their algorithm says hey this seems
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like something is going to make Dave feel good you know I don't know somebody
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like a friend who is on vacation in this algorithm likely looks like happy
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photograph was gonna make Dave feel good blood put the photograph radio at the
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top you know yet and it bothers me that they would make editorial decisions
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about what I do and do not see when I have intentionally befriended or
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followed all of these people would suggest that my behavior was suggested I
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wanna see all of those things like meet you
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and it does seem III and I do think I think maybe that's the core of what
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really rubbed people the wrong way here maybe is gonna give this scandal some
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legs maybe is is the fact that they tried to make people feel that you
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mentioned that specifically right it would be different too if what they did
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was if they tried three different algorithms to make people feel better
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about themselves and group a workgroup be it didn't see it actually had the
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detrimental effect and made rights groups feel bad they didn't try to do it
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but it ends up that if you only show them pictures of such and such that it
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actually makes them feel bad and you can you imagine the headlines there's also a
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Facebook and make you happier right as opposed to the fact that they set out to
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me to make people feel some some group of people feel a little worse Facebook
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intentionally one in some part of its user base to be less happy than the fact
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that that's part of what would make what four years has kept me from using
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facebook like even wanting to sign up is that I just don't get it i dont get what
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in the field whereas I i especially old Twitter like but unlike the Twitter they
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still mostly get through third-party clients is I know exactly what's gonna
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be in my feed its the tweet from the people I've chosen to follow ordered in
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the order that they've sent them
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chronological list of tweets from people who I have decided to follow and I know
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it in my mentioned dream people who typed at River in the order that they've
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sent those tweets talked about and I know exactly what that is and I know
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what they're going to look like and it's it's theirs I can integrity to it
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whereas to me that this the Facebook what it would you call it the feed feed
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him there's no integrity to it if if it's arbitrarily you know ordered in
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I don't get it that it to me it seems like why would i SAT there and then
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there's an inner circle you see in me that once I just want to know the rules
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right I want to know the rules for what this is going to be yeah exactly that's
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my biggest complaint as a Facebook user right I mean I guess I have a complete
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my biggest is that I just don't know what i'm looking at I like my email
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inbox I know exactly what it is somebody knows my email address type in the email
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to that address and they've sent it and then it comes in and my mail client will
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display those messages chronological order giving Facebook does like that is
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they they surely this list of people you may know and I get a lecture one out of
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two hundred I actually now I don't know who it is too close to it and does that
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for me and it's actually pretty remarkable because I like and I see it a
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lot like when I'm checking the daring fireball account is the daring fireball
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account doesn't follow anybody and they'll say hey maybe you want to start
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following people how about these people be like Amy Krueger Brent Simmons and
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you know yeah exactly that's actually pretty good to get those people
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yeah I need to take a spider and thank our second puncher and we'll move on we
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get to the real part of the show I want to thank our good friends at transporter
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that's the company name is connected data they've responded to show before
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basic idea you buy a little bit hardware from them to call the transporter set up
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a home network install a little bit of software on your Mac and all of a sudden
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you've got effectively your own little private Dropbox folder on your Mac put
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files in the folder they get synced to the transporter little device with
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stories on it in your house now here's where it gets more interesting it's only
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stored on the transporter there is no cloud storage the cloud is only use
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add for negotiating from your network in other words bridging through your home
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router and stuff like that the actual data storage is only written to disk on
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your device you can buy more than one device you can have one at your home or
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one in two different locations and they come up to the same account and they'll
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do exactly what you think they'll do just sink together and both be complete
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copies of each other so you can find other transport users and you can do
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things like setup shared folders and say here's a folder on my transporter share
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it with Dave whiskas and now we both have access to that folder and we both
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know here's where the datastore destroyed on my transporter and your
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transporter because their shared folders between us and that's a big big
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difference between sharing stuff in the cloud and for some people a lot of you I
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know this I've heard of people who listen to the show for legal reasons a
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lot of people people work in the medical industry and I'm sure other places where
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there's NDA's and stuff like that
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you legally are not allowed to share certain data on devices were you don't
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have complete control over the device you can't put things on something like
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iCloud or Dropbox because its legal implications as to where you can store
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the data really works great
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really really different from the cloud storage applications so if you need that
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for you want it just for the privacy implications of it even just for your
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own personal privacy there's nothing else like it on the market they have two
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main ways to go about it the regular transporter models come with your choice
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500 gigabyte one terabyte two terabyte capacities you can go they use this code
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TTS 10 pts the talk show 10 and you'll save 10% off your purchase of any one of
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those devices up to 35 bucks go to File transporter store.com filed transporter
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store.com and you can buy one the other thing you can do though is you can
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provide your own USB Drive any USB Drive
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and you can buy it more like a little puck durable little thing called the
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transporter sink and it's the same functionality exact same functionality
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but you just pick your own USB hard drives you maybe even have a USB hard
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drive sitting around her office that you can already use you can save 20 bucks on
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one of those costs a lot less forget about percentages just save 20 bucks use
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this code TTS 20 all orders using those two coats TTS 10 TTS 20 get free
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shipping and no lasting here's a lasting are you wondering if transporters rape
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you here's the thing by one start using it and for 30 days
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completely risk-free satisfaction guarantee so use those codes pts 10 TDS
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2002 file transporter store.com check it out by the one you want you have 30 days
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you don't like it just send it right back to my thanks to transport by one
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and just stick it in a corner an Apple store not tell anybody that the first
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made a different one day long on how long that lasts about know about that
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there's a sort of about it wouldn't last bit past the end of the day I'm sure
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they do a sweep yeah because they have to clean up all the machines nonstop
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basis i mean i i think that there's a checklist procedure they go through to
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make each one like store closes at seven by by eight o'clock it's back in mint
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condition do you think that when they close down an Apple store before they
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open up the Apple store and I mean like permanently morning and evening do you
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think they wipe down the the devices yeah I mean I mean physically I do I
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found they clean up the fingerprints for the day I think they do it throughout
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the day would be better I've never seen them do it now while I think that's part
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of the magic you know
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I think they've got like at disney world they've got like things were said I call
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in a trash around the park they just likes sucking through holes in florida
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go into the underground tunnels so they don't have to see the trash being that
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it's a nice touch base of the main reasons I actually wanted to run the
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show is the one big thing
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from the BBC that's left on my things i wanna talk or write about that I haven't
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talked or written about is Yosemite and a new design of Yosemite and you know I
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thought to have you on the show because you and I are in fact collaborating
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working on a Mac at the summer so we're sort of in the middle of it now wow what
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a month in month out for weeks since from WC yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess it
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was the second so it's 4 weeks are you using yosemite daily no I tried in there
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is some kind of bug with the upgrades have got to have a second partition
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setup that's running a clean install of Use Somebody and that was running great
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I decided okay maybe all my stuff works everything should be fine I'm installed
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on my main partition and I did and it was a nightmare and things were things
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were broken and I don't mean nightmare like there are some bugs and things
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crashed I mean like finder wouldn't watch yeah if I wanted to open a file
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had to do it through Terminal and that took 45 seconds to load so I can
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announce back and forth they need to look at you I stuff I need to try to
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evaluate the way they're doing a thing for the big day today I'm still running
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Mavericks it i got really excited about it cause for a couple of days it seems
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so stable that I thought hey I think I can switch full-time quickly maybe like
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what the next beta and then I ran into a thing where I could not log into my main
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account that I just created I could use a Guest account and then from the guest
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account on terminal I could like use sudo with my admin account but there is
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nothing I can do to log into the admin account and and then it fixed itself
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somehow but it was scary enough that we could always do a backup and then run
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the upgrade for a week and if you don't like it switchback yeah I think I'll
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probably switch on the next page and at least I still have a machine here
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running my old install of Mavericks and with everything on it but everything I
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so much thinks it's so much easier to to to use multiple Macs now with iCloud
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syncing services that it's it's not like the old days where it was really really
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you just driving not because there's violence on the other machine and I
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still can't do it I can't get my head around it and that might just be the
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time to use to doing things the old way of running on two machines yeah I can I
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have to have one Mac if I have to then I cloud in Dropbox make it better but then
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there's like still preferences per machine I forget about the other thing
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is that I don't think it is imperative to be using it on a daily basis
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design wise because I don't think it's that radical design you know it's a
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month to month has gone on
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I'm happy with it almost completely apart some unhappy with I don't hear
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that big a deal where would you happy with where we can do about that okay but
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I don't like that we can come back to that in a second but I don't feel like
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it's fundamentally change the way design a good backup it's a new you know it it
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almost is only skin deep and I don't mean that as a complaint I think it
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speaks to you know if it's not broke don't fix it and try to you know what it
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as opposed to iOS 7 which i think was more
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significantly more radical change in that you really needed to be using the
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iOS 7 pages on a daily basis to get a feel for how it should should be
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designed for Iowa seven last summer yet there is all the rumors leading up to
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1010 is going to be a pretty dramatic makeover it's going to be very Iowa 7 as
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we kept very I was seven and we saw I was taken aback at how not Iowa said it
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was yeah I agree with that they look related but they look like siblings in
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other way that would sometimes you meet you know brother and a sister to kind of
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look alike but not like in a freaky way you know who is also playing to their
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own strengths yeah it feels like a very measured you know I maybe would have
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been a bigger surprise if there were no I was seven I think that I was 7 soften
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the blow
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maybe but I remember you and I talking about this when we were sort of trying
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to guess what you know somebody might look like the one thing we kept looking
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at hand and in some ways it was a true that would be kind of cool but then
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there are in other ways we were both like gritting our teeth like who this
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could be bad is the iCloud web apps yeah right so when you go to iCloud dot com
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on a Mac or Windows I guess but you get like you know you're using a mouse
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pointer using a track pattern mouse and physical keyboard or not touching the
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screen but it looks really I less Sevigny yeah but in a good way in a
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measured way where it does it's not I don't know if you're looking at the web
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at ups.com stuff it felt like a sort of a happy medium but you could you could
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start to get a sense of how they would solve some of these windowing problems
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caused an iOS you don't you never have to absolutely the same time you don't
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have to worry about one thing sitting in front
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another thing whereas on a Mac you always have that problem and it seemed
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like they were trying to hint at will we still have shadows were still treat
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these things as individual structures on the screen
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yeah but I think that that's why I'm looking at it now looking at iCloud mail
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and it looks way more like an iPad app then America and 200 yeah what's like
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the further you get in
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yeah I guess what I'm looking at is the things like if you go into contacts and
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you click to delete somebody it it feels it spits iOS 7 a.m. but it you you can
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start to see the hinting like the way the window alert thing comes up that
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information the way comes up in the weights on the screen that to me he
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answered what we wind up getting your somebody more than it feels like a
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direct translation of anything from iOS yeah well and the other thing the big
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difference to shoot is that iOS not I was the iCloud interface doesn't have a
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lot of like a lot of the buttons don't really have strong top-down States press
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and states the best way to call I was down but pressed state you know sort of
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buttons that look like buttons has been my obsession and to me or somebody
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doesn't change at all like buttons all look like buttons in a way that I I
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really hope that I have to wait for nine now but I hope that I was nine takes
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some cues from that yeah there's such a weird place to to go from here but the
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the Google stuff kind of its showing them if you there
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the material you either well finish your point but let's come back to that right
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right it's to me is kind of a hint of in an alternate universe what I S nine
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might add rection that it could go in where it's a little bit more shadowy
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it's a little like a return not to scream or visit them but some kind of
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happy point between super flat and allowing the easy access to mean
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something I could see that the the right leg from to come back to some from five
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minute ago the one that one of the things I like about you somebody's I
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don't like if you have a dialogue box with canceling ok puns the OK button is
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already blue with white text but that the tap downstate for the cancel button
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so if you press the cancel button but don't let go then the two buttons look
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almost identical like right to me they picked a bad bad look for the default
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button to me the default button should look different from the other buttons
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but it shouldn't look as different as as the one in your somebody and it seems
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like what you would want to something that both indicates that this is
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selected but also some people are gonna hit the Return key on the keyboard
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rather than any other King conversely is so that if the cancel button or if
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there's more than one if you know any of the other regular but the ones they
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don't activate just by hitting return when you tap press and hold down the
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button you get this really vibrant press take it goes from a white background
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with black text to blue background with white text super vibrant difference from
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whether it's pressed Iran pressed whereas the default button goes from
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vibrant blue with white text to a slightly different shade of vibrant blue
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with white text it's it's an almost indistinguishable difference between
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Preston and pressed just seems like an unforced error on Apple's part 2 to do
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that and it's a super niggling thing for me to dwell on but it's one of those
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things where I can get even a month and we can get over you you can I don't know
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grousing about the buttons the top down state and buttons since I was seven came
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out I think even during the betas that's been
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thing for you and maybe a baby really is just driving I've isn't really thinking
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too much about the way buttons are pressed
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seems like it seems like I don't like I have a much bigger I put more important
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than than giant Apple does and even I think even more than I do like it's it's
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a good thing they care about but it's like I look at it is really bother me
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that much it's not the first thing I go to the reason I care about it is that to
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me it's the only real feedback you get like in the real world when you click a
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there's no doubt in your mind when you've pressed it down and when you've
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let it go as you feel if it's a nice but with a quickness like the buttons on all
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the buttons on the iPhone right here a member got the iPhone in my hand
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pressing the volume buttons and they click I know when I press it down cuz it
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clicked and I know I never let go cuz it clicks the other way whereas when you're
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pressing things on screen especially on the iPhone to meet him more important
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than the iPhone it's like you don't feel any click there is no haptic feedback
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and you know who knows maybe that's where they're going with new devices
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later this calendar years haptic feedback but then why did they change
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the year ago
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you know I know I i remember last year during the summer a lot of people
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speculated that the decrease in visual feedback on press states for buttons
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might be a lot of people were guessing there'd be haptic feedback in the iPhone
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5s and is not so to me that visual feedback is all you get
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and so to me it's worth emphasizing when we rebuild we are playing with some of
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those they had that press room replay with the phone stuff they a lot of the
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I think most of them if not all of them had haptic feedback so you'd have
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something it would give you like a little bit of a buzz in playing with it
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I realized it's just it's not the magic that I thought it was where the thing
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right into my fingers buzzing it's just the device bitrates no reason you can do
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that today on the icon to write but thats
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yeah I think about what we're gonna do it they want to do some kind of advance
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thing where it it literally somehow give you feedback right where you pressed not
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that the whole device is vibrating which is what the Windows Phone devices like I
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think they were all assets that when you typed H keypress gave you a tap yeah I'd
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like us it's not like your phone buzzing your pocket cuz it's not that kind of a
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very distinct a little just a little something like you don't even notice it
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I didn't hate it but I didn't find it hopefully there I liked it until I
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realized that there's no magic just made it was just the phone buzzing in my well
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it doesn't solve to me the problem like so for example on the iPhone keyboard
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right from the get-go from 2007 when you press aqui you get past the ASCII an ass
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pop-up shows up above your thumb yeah it's like if so if you're watching as
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you type
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there's this visual indication that you just type in S
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because you know you need that feedback because there's no buttons are the
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buttons for each key on the keyboard so close to each other that you wouldn't
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know where as if the whole phone vibrator taps in the exact same way no
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matter which key you press it doesn't help you know that you typed an S
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instead of a deep into you just know you take something and to me that that's not
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helpful
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have you heard of one of those tests were you see if you take better with the
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clicks without the clicks now I know I've always got the ringer off on my
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phone cuz I just almost everyone in my phone rang but it seems it seems like
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when the cliques are on my typing accuracy goes up I think so too I keep
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the clicks on there's the hypocrisy of my my ringer is always on Etsy don't
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actually hear them the building I live in there's a good entry he could get in
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and a month or two ago they they change I know they did but it no longer when
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you dial the keypad they don't be baby anymore and without the beeps are
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screwed up two or three times before I get it I like to keep it up some people
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who think that that's so absurd that they can't believe they do find it
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shocking that I used this eclipse on its similar the key clicks on that
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menchville because they did similar to the whole phone vibrating it each time
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you get the same clique no matter which key press it doesn't help you know that
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you got the Reiki as opposed to like on a hardware keyboard blackberry with a
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hardware keyboard you know that you press the right key because there's an
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actual physical sensation but the physical sensations identical for each
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key in practice though if you think about it if you've ever I've never used
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a blackberry full time but even if I'm just annoyed with one you know you've
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gotten the Reiki those spatially you know is on that border between S&D you
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know that you want that deep respiration to be on the left side not the right
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side and if you do hit a deer by accident you can feel my thumb was too
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far to the right right because the way the key presses in only ever-present in
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it doesn't slide around so depending the physicality of it clarifies you know and
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that that would be the sort of understand what the technology would be
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but if there is a way to make it so that you got physical click or press or some
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kind of sensation right on the pixels that you've pressed it could I could see
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how that would help something like keyboard typing tremendous but I don't
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know I've never heard of such technology we should just put a hardware keyboard
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on those things I do think we're going back to yosemite though overall though I
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like it a lot and every time I stopped using I have it on a separate machine I
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don't have enough main machine that every time I go back to Ibrox its it
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just feels like going back to Iowa sex but even more so yeah it was a little
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bit of culture shock for me after spending a couple days and you're
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somebody coming back and I'm used to it now and this is why
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I don't hate it it it doesn't feel as dramatic as I was six hours 7 going the
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other direction but if it does I am surprised at how much I like it
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yeah it's not as it's it's funny it's not as big a difference
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clearly not as big a difference as iOS 6 2007 that somehow going back it was
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harder quicker because it's so familiar it's just an improvement I think in
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almost every way that it makes gone back worse whereas I was 7 everything's it
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just took time to get used to his Yosemite to me doesn't take any time to
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get used to it this is just better yeah there's not a lot of downside is an iOS
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7 there's the status bar thing I don't think I like it and these buttons are
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weird and there's a bunch of stuff with maverick's to yosemite it really does
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just be leg they dialed it up I'm curious and I saw did you see that
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Tobias shrewd Jones somebody asked him what he thought about how medicare
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system fun and say that I have to look at it afterwards but the gist of it is
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there a british au lit Schonert I promise but somehow forget who somebody
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asked to by Astrid Jones formerly of a flat fair Jones you know the whole ugly
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divorce going on there but the designer of gotten among other you know very very
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popular and well designed funds he spoke very highly of Lucida Grande as a system
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font and and no mention that some of the problems with Helvetica as a system but
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the bottom line and he mentions it too is that it's you know it's right now vs
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non and I've only been using
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retina MacBook Pro haven't looked at it yet I guess I should try to put it
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online or something and see what it looks like on an on display and I can
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only imagine it is going to look worse I do think that's one of the things about
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yosemite that is very much in spirit with iOS 7
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is that it's a redneck first display design it's designed to look up its
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optimized for retina displays and its secondarily meant to look ok on this
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place do you think that's a hint at Apple wanting to move to or being ready
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to move to a future where there's only retina screens I would definitely if
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anybody thinks it's not going to be all right now with at some point the next
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few years i mean you're not but how quickly that's going to be a hopefully
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it's a sign that it's gonna be sooner rather than later
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that's what I mean like if they're doing they're already setting things up for
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its gonna look anything everything looks better on right now by definition but
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some somethings translate the other direction better than others and I can I
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don't have anything on it and I think of it as your desktop display 15 inch
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MacBook Pro yeah so I don't know haven't even seen him back on the iPhone from
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day one and that wasn't terrible i mean it wasn't maybe not as reliable as a
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grand but yeah it always worked on iOS and it wasn't bad but I do think it's
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gonna be worse and I feel like the same way that it did work and it was fine on
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Iowa spree retina it's it's definitely going to be III I think they'll be
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complained about it though when yosemite actually ships and winner of Apple's new
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philosophy about a hundred people is the same as mine was again I don't think so
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not yet I think maybe on iOS it is and i think that you know I feel like the only
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people who they really care about Bailey would probably be owners of the original
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iPad Mini because that devices only they were still being sold a year ago yeah
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and I are you can still buy an outright doesn't think so i think thats like the
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low end that's the last one that I feel really care about because the last
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iPhone 3G s I mean that's forget about
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i mean you know god bless you first if you're still rocking your 3G s now maybe
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they're not I don't know see her compare yeah they still sell the iPad Mini
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without Retina Display 16 gigabytes 299 so that it you know i join us
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uses my old one and it's not bad I mean it's you know it's you know I don't know
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that it's any worse than that then the Helvetica was the system front on iOS 6
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maybe some of the lack of contrast makes it less showing off but you know I think
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I wrote about when they first went minutes that I think some of those the
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visual trickery making buttons look lickable and putting a lot of lighting
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effects on the buttons and stuff was all to sort of make things look better than
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the display was capable of really looking whereas with Retina displays you
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can just let it actually looked just by blade type on a plain background right
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now I'm not saying that there this would be in in the spirit of well who cares
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what it looks like on a non Retina screen so much as it is I don't think
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Apple at this point just going by what they've done with political system I
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don't think that they're willing to sacrifice what they think is the path
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forward to make things just a little bit better on the screens I will say this
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using yosemite and I don't have a machine used as much as I can
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third party apps it it varies it actually really varies how much they get
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automatically none look perfect automatically but some look a lot better
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than others and you can see who was specifying
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display this list in the system fund others who said display this list in
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Lucida Grande twelve-point and 12 were saying just give me the system fine they
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get automatically and I looked pretty good and the ones who are using lucid
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some of the icons translate little better farrakhan's translate better than
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others some don't but I'm really curious and and its to me it's a lot like the
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shift from iOS app makers of gotta get on you know gotta get updates out the
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door and make their stuff look great on you simply but I'm curious if it's gonna
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take longer for third-party developers to update their Mac apps just in the way
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that because they're too busy updating their iPhone apps first yeah yeah I
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think I mean you if you're smart and convention is that you're supposed to
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stick to the the API's as much as you can because if Apple changed something
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out when do you get that change for free this is why you're supposed to using US
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stocks were so as to not really your own so funny when to me my favorite example
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of an app that looks even better in Yosemite is not newswire 3 I don't know
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that I looked at him he's fired 37 that newspaper thing that looks on a on a
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Retina screen that's got some issues on Mavericks and it just looks it looks not
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bad I still use it as my daily news reader but it looks dated and I hope it
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up just cuz I wonder
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read my feeds everything looks great because the funds are all have attica
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yeah things and how that again the source list is the vibrancy transparency
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really yeah it's one of the most one of the most yosemite ready after I had on
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my Mac yeah you know what that is another thing that I've noticed is that
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it clear I didn't even know there was such a thing but there must obviously in
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hindsight there must be like give me a default looking sidebar and those apps
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look pretty good on your sanity and its translucent and then there's others
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where they've got late a blue background with you know the wrong find and it just
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looks so dated but foreign
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it reminds me of a template images so the the icons that you create for a
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sidebar source list on the Mac and the things at a bar based app on the iPhone
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you instead of making an icon that looks like what the end user sees you just
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make an alpha and alpha channel I can wear the the gradient is is what
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style is your your app running on that version of the OS will look like every
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other so you never stuck like if you were to go in and make
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looking right now at my screen I see finder and maverick's has that like all
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like the the iTunes style those are all just you know flat black and white
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channel probably jpg or png he's sitting somewhere and then the second the OS
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gets updated they all look the new way I think bottom I'm wrapping up yosemite I
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really liked it I think it's exactly what exactly what Apple should have done
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to be far less controversial
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right there are people who refused upgrade still yeah I don't think that
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that's going to happen with you seventy just because of the appearance and and
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other than the appearance it's not really that different
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you know they have really changed in any other rules no but I do feel like
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especially with that we we don't see any of this really today because it's all
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betas but the extensions and handoff I think this to me
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pushes towards that that ideal of ages ago a friend of mine told me that his
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vision for computers in the future be late you carry that thing around like
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your phone or whatever it is and you can use it the way it is that when you get
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to work you get somehow and then the the interface changes so that it's a case
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custom tailored to the way you're working right now the senate can drive a
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30 inch display on your day
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right right in where Apple AAPL doing it and I think even more clever way which
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back and forth and let the the machines be their own thing yeah because at a
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certain and who knows I mean I i dont know I feel like that tocqueville idea
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it always it sounds good but it always runs in the problems and for example
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your desktop computer if you have a power source even if it's a laptop but
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if you can put a power source into it at your desk you you want to be able to
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have abs running and consuming significant amounts of CPU in the
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background
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raise your phone you'd never won that right right so what do you do like you
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can say okay when I doc the thing it runs like a real UNIX computer and
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applications in the background can just do what they want and then I want to go
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to the bathroom and take my phone with me and just pick it up then what happens
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to all those processes that were running like all of a sudden now they're told no
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no now you gonna be put to sleep in 10 milliseconds hurry up hurry up and
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finish I mean you could do things like the dock itself has additional CPU and
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memory resources and maybe those processes can attach to the day it just
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gets super Lake the kind of people who really like running Linux
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would enjoy that yeah I think that this is a better approach and it's you know
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we can even spend it as we talk about some of the Google i/o stuff and it's
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similar approach that Google has that it's not one machine they take
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everywhere but like one set of state that's available everywhere they state
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that thinks not the actual computer right and I stayed in your somebody to
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me feel like we were finally there are or were very very close to your iPad in
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your iPhone your Mac all work together one question people have been asking me
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actually don't know the answers they don't have a spare iPad to run I was
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saved on
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a little hesitant to put it on your money in full time on my it's great you
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know I gotta see it because I've had problems in the past years with the MLB
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app doesn't work
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beta and it's like the only app that I really can't do without it off to see
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but people have been asking will this work between not continuity like handoff
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like I've started an email can you handed off from an iPhone to iPad where
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is it only for Mac tireless I think it's only Mac iOS I don't think you can go
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Iowa stylist but it seemed that seems like something that could be like a 8.1
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update or something later in the year and make sense you know that you might
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wanted somebody you know how I wanna go from this small machine the iPhone where
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I'm picking this thing out with my thumbs to the big machine right to my
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email the big your boobs somebody else's big machine for email might be their
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iPad right I could see it coming I don't think that it's there yet though I could
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go tested tweet earlier I am I'm impressed with iOS eight and running I
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was it on my phone my carry from made a phone and on my my day iPad 1 iPad but
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yeah my retina iPad Mini both running I was a full-time and both there i mean
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there's weird stuff like I had to reboot my phone every couple of days things
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just get lucky and i'm glad you brought that up say I've been meaning to talk
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about this I said what I do is I have I still have my your old iPhone 5 which is
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also a Verizon so I just if I would have done that device and I just take my sim
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card out of my daily iPhone 5s put in the five and then use that phone on
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there and I'm using just that is pretty good but a smiling do it you have to
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make sure you know if I couldn't do it the year before though because last year
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was the year or I had switched from AT&T to Verizon so my year old iphone4s I
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couldn't SIM card swap with
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so it only works so long as you're year ago phone is on the same carrier and
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same same setup because well it wasn't yeah alright so like Verizon phones were
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or not whether world phones but they couldn't yeah it was funny in it and
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every couple years they cut the SIM card size down to the accident was many
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announced my crying like a baby with the iPhone 6 they're gonna come you know
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make an even smaller SIM card now just to get an eyedropper drop it in there
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one thing though this is that they have been meaning to talk about is this is
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the first year I've tried to do this in a run run the beta on a year old iPhone
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as much as they can during summer and even like last year when I couldn't SIM
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card swap I would at least carry the iphone4s around in the house on wifi as
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you know the only thing I can do is get phone calls but I don't think I said but
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everything else i get this is the first year where I don't find going back to
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the iPhone 5 to be slow physically slow like the interface feel slow I notice in
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some places but like the keyboard doesn't feel slow I can always that's
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one thing every single year when I test the new beta of of the operating system
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on my year old iPhone I think and how do they ever type on this thing the
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keyboardist and it's never been I don't know if it's because they were you know
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the operating system slowed down I don't know if it's just that I got used to the
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increased or decreased latency of the interface responsiveness but this is the
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one you're referring most part day today I don't feel that much difference
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between the 5s in five just in terms of navigating around the operating system
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with this is with you running iOS eight on and on the other phone yet I would
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you tip your saying you typically run the new OS on the older phone yes I'm
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thinking that it has more to do with the newness of the OS the age of the phone
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in terms of your keyboard latency I don't know I just think maybe that maybe
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it's that I S eight because they didn't do anything new interface wise radically
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that it's nothing nothing but improved performance wise as opposed to like last
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year obviously a lot of people had complained that I 07 was dog slow on
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hardware yeah there's nothing no I don't have any reason to worry about that from
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7-8 and I think it combines with the fact that maybe the iPhone 5 was the
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first one where the a sex was sort of good enough you know that it's you know
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at least for things like typing that we don't need you know the speed
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improvement I'm sure help in image processing for example right like like
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the new take 10 snapshots in a row using the press and hold thing there's
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obviously a lot of computation that involved there faster 87 really helps
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but for just showing a touchscreen keyboard and typing a 50 I think is
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where where it hit the fast enough mock exam I'm doing it the other way around
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we've got I'll say it on my father's and I've got over seven running on why don't
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keep these devices around sir WBC you had brought a measles for us for me and
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having a two year gap between those phones I'm running iOS 7 on the older
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phone and I was eight on the newer phone and i notice keyboard issues on my 500
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the 5s running a team like the keyboard feels a little sticky me interesting
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that's one thing I may have more to do with the OS and the newness of that than
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it does with the hardware and I'm I could be wrong I don't know my setup
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interesting I will say this to an invention is before the show but I do a
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lot of the little things and I was addictive like the reply to a message
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from anywhere
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yeah yeah is really really nice it's tough because the that makes it hard to
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go back like I feel like as look back when the next beta comes out I'll
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probably just install it on my iPhone to its it's funny it's funny because the
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normally year-to-year the upgrade you it's tough to go back because there's
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some big new feature is there something that you really like day today using iOS
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eight other than the the taking suggestion thing I don't really notice
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like it just it looks and feels like a slightly buggy ride 07 yeah but it's got
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those night
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notification thing for applying is really really nice views the man once
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you start it's it's it really gets it just feels crazy to go back to not being
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able to do it I do they getting text messages in multiple devices like I've
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noticed when people text rather than people who don't have iPhones it shows
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up on my iPad now and it kind of freaks me out so I don't think I've noticed
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because I get so few text messages from the dark blue was 111 came yesterday and
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i'm looking at my iPad and they see the name in there was like wait what that
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person has an Android phone how is this even possible way and it shows up on
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your iPad well then maybe maybe some of this continuity features do work i found
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out i pad right because I think on the demo during the keynote they showed it
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showing up on your Mac right they didn't show any assumption yeah yeah I expected
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to show up on my Mac I never would have expected it makes perfect sense I guess
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it was a surprise if thats it's gotta be that they are there like on the same
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wi-fi network or maybe even Bluetooth it so still confusing me and I know that
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I've listened to the podcast nobody's nobody's quite sure which of these
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features are running over Bluetooth in which are running over wi-fi in which
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may be using both depending on availability seems like a lot of this
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stuff though it depends upon the Bluetooth L T boatload low-energy
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Bluetooth le and the cutoff on Macs for that is pretty recent so there's gonna
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be a lot of people with semi recent max like two-year-old max two and a half
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year old max great deal cemetery gonna be bitching because they don't get these
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features I think I mean if it were me I would make it to where it ran over
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Bluetooth Bluetooth wasn't available around over wifi because a lot of people
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turn Bluetooth off on their phone to save battery yeah I feel like that trick
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is gonna start it's getting to the point where enough of the features depend upon
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it that you know I think most of my eye I usually keep the 2002 for the same
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reason but I feel like
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its gonna get harder ordered it to do that are you going to keep running into
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oh why isn't this working out turn bluetooth yeah and I think enough people
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are still doing it it's going to be Apple wouldn't want to get the support
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calls and if you could just fall back to wifi wanna do it found out my son runs
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his own devices at maximum brightness of the time maybe send him to wear beeper
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he knows that it's running that it's running the battery down and in fact
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every day
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his iPhone and iPad both completely run out of battery and I said heyy you look
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your gut brightness although not compromise but he said i'm not going to
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its gross to run the display at less than have the device be dead than
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haven't not at maximum beauty wit a kind of respect I i respect is sticking to it
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yeah I met with my Mac my Mac is always at full brightness in fact that auto
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greatest thing I never turned it off I really should but if I mean like when
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when I work out of the office if I pass in front of a window at a certain time
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of day and my screen starts them and it just drives me nuts I want to always as
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bright as it can possibly unless I'm on a plane
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yeah exactly airplane mode firm action involves cutting your display brightness
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down you know that that brings up something we didn't see in Yosemite and
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I expect you at some point because we know there's all this talk about will we
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ever get but WiMAX or LTE chip or something in a Mac and the only
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technically that would be better to do it's just that software isn't really
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ready for that you're gonna run to your data pretty quickly
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yeah that's it seems like we used to
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who knows maybe someday this year they'll come out with that kind of like
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your Mac can talk to your
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your access point and find out that it's an access point running over a data
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connection rather than running through like a regular wired connection I got
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something that they can give you get one of the crime advice or something it can
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report back to your computer that it's it's like a data network device
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well and there is the new feature in Yosemite and iOS a where once you've
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paired your phone if your phone has hotspot capability you can turn it on
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entirely from your Mac without interacting with your phone rates it
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seems like there has to be some API is in place or something to I don't know so
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apps can know when they're in that mode vs a different mode so that they things
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like automatic downloading for certain apps gets turned off right number but
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I've always remember was Marco who WBC a couple years ago with tethering instead
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of paying for hotel wifi and it was like he got there on sunday and monday was
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the keynote and and the new episode of Mad Men hit iTunes here and there like
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four gigabytes of LTE got his AT&T account closed for the month so mad at
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the interests right but that's exactly the sort of thing you don't want to do
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and I don't know how you you know I do think that that's basically why Apple
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hasn't done it is that you know and I know I guess that there's opt in things
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that apps can do to say what kind of network and my own before I do this but
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I feel like there's too much software that already written that just says do I
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have a network connection if so download the giant
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I mean we live in a world now where there's a pretty good chance that your
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data connection is coming through the air even if you're on wifi thing on the
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other end of that wifi is talking to sprint or talking to Verizon
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remember I think that the new feature I think that I think they're probably
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never but my guess is they're never going to they're not going to do
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LTE equipment books and that this new feature where you can turn on tethering
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from your iPhone right from the menu and in on your Mac is as close as they're
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gonna get and that's pretty that's close enough I think I was gonna say do you
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think that's good do you think that's or would you rather have a Mac that had the
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data connection yeah because you have to pay an extra 15 bucks a month at the
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minimum depending on you know like Verizon I think it's giving me a device
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you yeah we have like one shared family pool of data but every time you added
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devices to add 10 bucks a month so rather than add another ten bucks a
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drive so did nothing wrong with the drive but he couldn't log log into it
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it's like that that peace of mind is to me the key to back plays vs any other
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thing that you could do like Time Machine and super duper clones which are
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its I've got the page open as soon as we're done recording on the side of this
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because I had when I was doing my whole year somebody second partition thing I
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had some some some very close calls with my own data and you know everything
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backed up I just need to do it I'm stupid for not having done it already so
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Google material design this is the new design language that Google announced
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last week that IO I don't think I think to summarize it to me I'm not a daily
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and reducer I mean I try to stay up to date
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it's not as radical I going from the previous look to this new one is not as
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big leap as iOS 6 2007 its to me a little bit more like yosemite you know
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it's like their equivalent of yosemite it's it's just sort of cleaning up and
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modernization in getting rid of some walking us but I think it looks bad to
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first time to me that Android looks like from top to bottom that did one cohesive
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set of visual guidelines for house stuff should look I think even more than the
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visual update which you're right it's not a huge leap but what does feel like
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a big leap is the way they're documenting and talking about the design
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yeah the design side but it's weird it's a good first I was very complimentary to
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it I still and date judging it mainly on what it is they're recommending that
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developers do which i think is all right and good and it's not just hey add
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animation to your user interfaces add animation in a way that increases
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understand what's going on so if you open something it doesn't just appear on
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screen it opens from somewhere like from the button that you tapped to open it
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and then when you close it goes back down into the thing I was looking at the
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the docs before we we jumped on to do the show just wanted to get my ducks in
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a row here and I noticed comparing the the Android design stuff about animation
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versus what is in the Iowa 7 Hague but get them side-by-side in iOS 7 it says
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things like I'm not gonna read it verbatim but it's more or less saying
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here's why
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animations and here's the the scenarios and here's you wanna be reserved
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to feel a certain way and the Google site is okay so here's the code to do an
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animation and here's the direction things could go and maybe there's some
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like footnotes here in there about why you are doing things the way you do it
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but it's still very very Google yeah but some of it to me is not very very quiet
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as Duarte being particularly key I don't know I never met him but these he seems
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a bit he's always struck me as onstage demeanor is being a bit Thuy ok here's
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here's a phrase a lot of people have called this out very early on when you
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go to google.com / design and start reading up on it it's somewhere in the
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first couple of pages and it says material is the metaphor now this is
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reading material metaphor is the unifying theory of a rationalized space
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and a system of motion our material is grounded and tactile reality inspired by
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our study of paper and ink yet open to imagination and magic and what does that
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mean that's a lot of what does it mean it means nothing right that is in fact
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it is Don Draper route that it's actually now because it done draper of
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Don Draper wrote it would it would at least make you think of something real
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like I think I just larry right I feel like Don Draper would go nuts I forget
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the opposite its in fact I think it's actually misleading where the only thing
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you come out of that is something something study of paper and ink but
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it's not the rules of their new interface are not grounded in the
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realities of paper and ink right there's no school more fake Inc bleed or paper
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texture and you know things balance and move in ways that paper and in camp
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mountain move you know that you know you can't have it both ways and say they
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have based the metaphors on paper and ink and then
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increase the amount of animation and stretching that you can do right it's
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actually false it's actually misleading because paper doesn't move like liquid
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right I think you're better off reading the Google material design docs not
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reading the actual English and just looking at a potential just like like
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lorem ipsum all of the descriptions and just go through and look at it visually
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and it it to me and when I did that it makes way more sense than if you try to
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read it and understand with this shit about a rationalized space in a system
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of motion is it very hand wavy it's like somebody somebody way too hard about
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yeah they want to make it seem like more than it is even during the keynote I
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forget the line but the guy he said the incoming I don't forget to call it that
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but the the ink thing moves like water and it like right there it will put a
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metaphor is it angers order choose one word you're already confusing things for
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me I do think too and I think its interests had to be interesting to see
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how quickly Android developers pick up on these guidelines because to me every
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time I've tried Android it's the Google stuff is OK
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doesn't make me happy and doesn't feel good but it's ok but as soon as you get
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into third party apps it's just brutal just brutal in terms of aesthetics and
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layout and part of this is the advantage that a lot of the stuff doesn't come
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from the operating system really it's this Google Play services thing that you
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get from the Google Play Store and it's like this shared library so that you
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developers don't have to wait till everybody's running the new Android tell
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you know version and they're gonna call at five point our whatever which is
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going to be years but a big chunk of existing Android phones that won't get
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the upgrade to the fall
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new OS will get the new Google Play services which is the shared library and
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I think that
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this interface stuff will all be distributed through there so it's
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interesting I i cant wait to see his like with with the iOS all the major
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developers every app that I can't remember how long it took to every app I
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use on a daily basis was updated Fri 07 but it didn't take long as I wanted to
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hold out I like my first two home screens I don't know that Android has
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developers who care about stuff like that
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what seems like what they're trying to do looking at the google.com / design
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this is pretty well put together they're trying really hard to make it look like
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they care about design and that sounds dismissive but what I mean is they they
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they're really trying to get across the importance of design to developers like
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to maybe they've they've recognized that that lack of consistency there's a given
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fragmentation within the design of third-party apps and maybe if they can
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bump up Claudia maybe they can set an example they can pump up across the
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it's interesting to me that Apple's approach to this is they create
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thoughtful designs that people want to emulate them going document those
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designs and people will try to achieve that themselves whereas Google will
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write documentation and make API's yeah I did I noticed that too that I i watch
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that whole interminable keynote they don't show as many apps as anyone near
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as many apps as Apple did when they should I was seven and and you know I
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think it speaks to the way Apple works where Apple AAPL did redesign every
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single part of iOS you know all the apps mail and calendar
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you know everything and it's the way you know let's face it you know you can
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admit it you do you read The Hague but let's face it you design stuff mostly by
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to look at what Apple's done you digested and internalized ok here's the
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way it's supposed to be and then you kind of shoot from the hip you go from
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your gut and you know it you know you don't sit there with the hague open and
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you know ok it says sixteen point between these two things so I make these
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two 16 points and some point you go
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you know make sure you've got everything like that right but when you've got
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Photoshop open you're creating art not a description right in the asss all the
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time but the Gandhis guidelines and I think of the hague more is like the the
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instructions that come with the new device or your toaster something like
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you've you might think you're gonna look through it you're gonna get the basics
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and you might refer to it later but it's not you don't even sitting next year
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toasters toast you read it
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same thing with like Strunk and white or any other writing guidelines for
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writer's writer doesn't sit there with you know the Chicago Manual of Style
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open and for each sentence look it up
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how am I supposed to structure the sentence the writer just right and then
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every once in a while you run into a sticky situation or your editor will
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save somebody's read it will point to a sentence and say oh isn't this ambiguous
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here you know and then you think why do need to look at the guidelines you know
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let me see but while you're actually writing you're in a completely different
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modes are not referring to us at rules you've already internalized them right
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and I do you have that that structure that framework in your head or you don't
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and it did seem like Google and I think you know I think part of it is just the
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way Google is different than a plane part of it too though is that they're
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aware that their developer base is different you know I think your point
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there about internalizing it you're you're right and i think is what's
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telling here is that Google is is setting this up I mean if you're if
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you're not a good designer than no amount of documentation is gonna make
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you a good designer but I think if I have some kind of objection if I haven't
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a strong opinion about the way Google is doing things here it's that they're sort
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of presenting it as a flake ok just read this and i could be good at it
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yeah and I think that that's there probably wrong on that part I think but
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me know obviously you when I use the word bias River biased but I do think we
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we as a whole
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collectively have talked a lot over the years about how iOS the average iOS user
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is different from the average Android user and that's one of the reasons why
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raw market share comparisons are far less valid than in any other context
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because
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they're not if the users are have different expectations different reasons
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for buying the device if they spend different amount of money if they have
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different amounts of Education
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different income levels if they live in different places if they tend you know
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tend to live in different countries that makes a big difference on the value of
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them collectively as you know can you build a business just addressing these
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developers I think last spoken about but maybe even just as important is that I
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think there's very clearly a demographic difference between Android developers
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and iOS developers in the same way that there was always a difference between
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Windows developers and Mac developers
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totally agree with that I think it's a very similar difference you know and
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that there'll be some companies will design you know have the same teams and
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have designers who had to do is make an app that looks as similar as we can on
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iOS and Android and there's develop you know developers and designers who are
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working on both and I'm sure I know I've read blog posts from some of them there
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are designers you know talented designers who are either fans of Android
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or just the nature of your job is that's where they're working I'm not trying to
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make the eggs you know I'm not jumping to any kind of extreme conclusion that
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there is no good designers working on Android but I think I feel very
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confident saying that most good mobile UI designers are either iOS only I was
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first right i think thats some of that is that there's a moving target problem
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which version of the OS redesigning for are you designing for hardware keyboard
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redesigning for soccer keyboardist I like a jog dial thing on the side that
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know if you want to a hardware keyboard you can have a hardware keyboard if you
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want to jog dial you can have a job
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one of the front of those things anymore they're just that that's good for
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everybody but it means that there's there's still there's still some moving
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target stuff for Android hardware and where a designer for Apple platform you
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kind of like you know the screen size and you know the resolution and you know
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how how big a thing needs to be and how you hold it and where your thumb ends up
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and and that plus the fact that most users I'm gonna get in trouble for
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saying this but by and large paid software on Android does not sell as
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well as on I was gonna get in trouble for I think everybody I was that was the
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more political version but it's nobody is going to spend a ton of time
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designing software nobody's gonna spend the money to pay a great designer to
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make software that nobody's gonna buy it does make you wonder 444 absurd always
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gonna be free like a major and OB appt that is you mean you pay for it but it's
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like this so mass-market that it doesn't matter that there's no inherent I was
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for Sandra bias there necessarily or something that is like maybe the Major
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League Soccer app where you just if you're a fan you're going to download it
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it's free and it's the app exists to help get you excited about a different
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thing they they make their money elsewhere you really look like a Twitter
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a perfect but it surprises me that there's those companies aren't spending
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more on Android design and me too I don't know one thing that I'm wondering
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about I've noticed and I think that the new Google material design is largely in
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line with it is like when you look at the Google Maps app for iOS you have the
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Google Maps app yeah yeah that's the that's my daily use maps out it looks
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it's it wasn't designed that Google Maps iOS app was not designed in isolation
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from this material design it's not exactly the same but it's you know the
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big differences Apple that has you know and we it comes down to like what we
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talked about an hour ago about how yosemite and iOS 7 look related but they
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don't look like the same thing whereas material design their their flat out
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saying it's meant to look the same
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on Chromebook and tablet and on a phone and I think implicitly some of the
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screenshots they've shown showed apps with an iOS status bar not Android
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status bar and that I think that they're they're presenting this is a design
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language that you could use for iOS apps too and I think that they themselves are
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sort of been doing that their apps to me avoid you know started looking a little
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bit more like Moon Man iOS apps to be a little tricky because they would have to
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give out some kind of framework SDK to make those API is working I thought well
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I don't know if they're I don't know if they're going to mean for third-party
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developers to do that or if it's just something they're doing themselves
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internally but don't you think I can I look at maps like they've got like a
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back button that uses an hour 0 instead of a Chevrolet and it doesn't doesn't
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slide from the side I was relationship with Google right now is such that I
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write that a lot of that off as just google sayings Curry who has agreed to
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our own thing we don't care for looks like an eye on it but it doesn't you
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know it's close enough they're related enough it's not like Windows Phone which
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Windows Phone is very different metaphor right right it would really stick out
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where is this is two takes on the same basic idea yeah and I think I mean he
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said Google Maps as my daily use maps app and I don't find myself thinking I
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don't hate it I don't feel grossed out by its coolness but it doesn't look like
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an iOS 7 right and I wonder like I feel like they're going that route with like
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Gmail and stuff to do that's the other app that's what happened did show off in
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the keynote and I have to say the new Gmail app looks so much better then that
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you stalk ya I haven't seen it but i i i dont understand the people who used the
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Gmail web interface for the
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like I just used the stock my lap belt the new Gmail app looks a lot more used
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to icon and rated looked like a web app and just even though was a native app
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just looked is just the space in the typography was just horrible
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really really bad last thing I wanted to talk about and this is from i/o is is
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that in broad terms I i guess i wanna write about that under informal to think
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about ever since is that there's all sorts of details and I love to examine
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the details you know spend you know you could spend the whole show just talked
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about the difference between Roboto font but if you zoom out take the ten
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thousand foot perspective it's kind of remarkable and I think unremarked upon
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just how similar we targeted Google and Apple's initiatives are right
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tech company talking about you know set-top devices that run mobile OS and
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have an App Store and wearables and watch apples and health tracking and
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heart rate monitors and footstep monitors and an API for apps to track
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those things you know and I know that Apple wrist wearable install rumor not a
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thing but I mean it's it's one of those rumors that has a lot of smoke and
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everybody's talking about it and people been talking about an improved Apple TV
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with an app store for years the health and fitness tracking Apple announced the
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health API's home automation they're both talking about that Google bought
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next Apple you know flat-out came out with iOS he said you know here we're
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adding these things and we're working with all these companies to see your
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garage door opener on you know your thermostat and whatever can all be
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hooked up notably nest was not on that right
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very noticeably it's all the same sort of basic ideas right car integration
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there's another obvious when you can say it all this stuff is obvious but they're
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both all those things are on both companies agendas how much of that do
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you think is me too
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how much of it do you think is that's just where they even in a vacuum both
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companies would have ended up here I don't know I find it remarkable to me
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it's very remarkable that they're all all of those things I just mentioned ro
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all on both on both companies agendas I mean because I think I know I think I
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know enough to say I don't know enough to say that Apple is coming out with a
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wearable device that you were wearing arrest but I do know enough I can say
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with certainty that they have investigated it thoroughly and that if
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they don't it's because they rejected the Dave you know that they have people
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who I know we're working on a wearable for your wrist so they at least looked
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at it all of those things right watches congress wearables cause I'm not
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convinced that that they're the ones I can be successful gonna be watched like
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but let's say something you wear it health fitness tracking home automation
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car integration TV set tops all the same things I just find it remarkable that
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both companies have their sights even as their what else could they get into yeah
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I don't know if it's if it's just that they're also too obvious ideas for
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expansion or a byproduct of the relationship between Apple and Google
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now where they're so like I for a long time you'd say that their friends and
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and I think we might be moving either in the middle of or right at the end of
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frenemies territory and it's about to get ugly
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yeah I would say that we're past that I think they're in our tribal territory I
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really think it's already there
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yeah I do I think it's been there ever since the I think it's been there for
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years ever since the Steve Jobs internal Apple thing that don't be evil is
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bullshit you know I think it's been that way since I mean outwardly like the way
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they behave to each other but even even after that it was still the maps app is
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powered by Google yeah but only because it had to be in a switch
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you know they switch before probably a year before they were ready but they had
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to do it anyway because they couldn't get an extra year you know
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very contentious you know I know I don't know I still don't know exactly I'd love
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to know in hindsight how much of it was 90 forestall took the blame for that
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seriously lacking in quality of it and as it debuts and I think that the just I
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don't know this for a fact I think this is all third-hand but the gist is that
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that the maps team led the rest of Apple to think it no it's not going to be as
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good as Google Maps is gonna be problems were gonna take a hit on this but that
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here's where we are you know the bar if a hundred percent is as good as Google
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Maps we're at 75 and given all the other considerations you know that's why we
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should go ahead and do it now because running any get from 75 to 100 130 of
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real-world usage can improve it but then when it shipped it was like 40 on a
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scale one hundred and that there was less than what the internal team had
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promised even if what they had promised was not as good as Google Maps like
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nobody in Apple nobody thought we were gonna make this transition and it's
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going to be just as good I mean everybody knew you could just look at
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certain maps and see it in a basement and not even that but transit transit
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directions
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yea well exactly which you know they're only adding now right isn't that is not
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an ISA miss remember if it is I missed it but obviously they knew that they
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were losing out on transit directions which by the way is the reason that I
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switch to using Google Maps is my new york I need to know which train today
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yeah she absolutely you know you live in an area where you depend on public
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transportation it's you know like night and day right it's like having a weather
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app that doesn't even show your location it is it true you know like I think I
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went dark sky shipped it was like only had like aus
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data source who I know there have been some weather apps that only a few s
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whether you know no matter how cold the APAs if you live in Europe it's
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worthless you know if you take the subway to get to get places in New York
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City Apple maps isn't going to help you at all but I'm curious whether if you
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know and I think it was a problem
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for forced on and as you know in terms of accountability that it wasn't as good
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as opposed to have been and as they were led to have been but I don't know that
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they still wouldn't have switched at the same time anyway it's just that maybe
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they would have positioned to different marketing wise to set the expectations
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lower because they were in such a tight spot in terms of Google demanding really
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deep access to users personal location data in exchange for the things that
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Apple really needed from Google which were vector-based maps instead of bitmap
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maps and drive driving directions and the things that you really need for a
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good maps databases data and they they even said that the more you use it the
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better the service is gonna get it so I think maybe in in a perfect or something
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perfect world they would have baby because it look what else did they have
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the wound up being way better after more people used to because of data series
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yeah so maybe they would have liked launched this alongside the maps app is
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like the new maps beta I don't know how they could have done it if their
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relationship is better but that given the state of the relationships I
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actually think even knowing how bad the initial version of maps was gonna be the
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day did the right thing I think the wrong thing was that they didn't
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presented in lower expectations and they could have even been more forthright
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about the fact that it was contentious you know that you know I don't know
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there's some way that they could have presented it that would have lowered
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expectations accordingly and stuff to sell it that way but it's better than
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what they went through though I mean you can say that stuff to sell but it's a
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lot tougher to say wow
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new maps is gonna be awesome and then you got the maps and house was I just
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leave it sits I'm trying to imagine Apple getting up in like what they say
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how they point out how contentious relationship maybe cadet maybe that they
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couldn't get into but somehow they could have said look into this and it's gonna
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protect you know they can emphasize the protection of privacy which is true it
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absolutely no there's no spin involved there you could say it's been by
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emphasizing the privacy protection
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because I was the bottom line is that Google was demanding access to user
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identifiable personal location data in exchange for all of the things that
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Apple needed to improve maps using Google Maps and it was you know that
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there was no going forward from that and they had denounced the switch you know
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they could announce the switch mid year they had to the contract was up I think
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the to renew it for more than one year it was either do it now when the
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contract's up or you know go through the pain of having all this you know succumb
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to Google's demands for user data which they weren't gonna do you know it's it's
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an interesting point the contentiousness of the relationship because people like
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you and me do that but that's not everyone who uses an iPhone oh alright
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and Apple knows that and doesn't expect for Apple's internal negotiation
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problems to be you know that's apples pineapple knows that that's their
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problem not the user's problem but you know that's an instance where it
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effectively became that users problem it's an interesting thought experiment
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though the back and think about you know just yesterday was the seven year
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anniversary of when the first iPhone ship and think I don't know why
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everybody was making a penny I haven't posted a few photos comparing the two
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you know why seven a big deal I'm not quite sure but you know June 29 and it's
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interesting to go back to seven years ago and think about how you know the
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Google was a partner in the iPhone right now it was called on stage in the
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keynote was introduced and was all hugs and smiles he was a board member at
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Apple and there is this whole look will make the awesome device in Google will
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provide the awesome you know cloud services like Maps and YouTube it
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interesting to think we'd be today if that relationship had stayed like that
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and Google hadn't gone into Android and built their own competitor to the iPhone
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and was you know there was more of a happy relationship there I don't think
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it would have lasted anyway because I think even without Android Google would
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have demanded the same
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it wouldn't have changed schools thirst for privacy invasive collection of user
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data and you could argue that it's a good thing even I mean it may be
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annoying for Apple that with a dividend rate but at the same time that
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relationship has evolved to wear them in the rivalry of that relationship is such
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that we're gonna win out in a big way if both companies are making all of these
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different kinds of things at the same time that means we as consumers get a
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choice and where we've got two very powerful companies with a lot of
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technology behind them finding out who can make the better thing and I don't
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know I think kind of feel like Google's business model exists in Apple's blind
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spot at the time that it just never like Microsoft Apple understood right they're
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going to make a competing platform into gonna sell it for $15 a pop gems you
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know they understood that they didn't use the same business model but I think
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that they saw like their potential competitors for the iPhone is being
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companies like rim you know making ground of doing that I you know the same
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thing as Apple making the whole which the services the devices and something
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like Microsoft where somebody would sell commercial system 20 am's for a profit I
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advertising it I think it existed blind spot for Apple so you think they just
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late edition but it was like hey what if we did this what if we have maps and we
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that made the iPhone not a phone you know it was like his new thing you had
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live updating maps in her hand was amazing you know I didn't know that was
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a late addition but that makes sense and it shows that because the first iPhone
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didn't have GPS yeah yeah I didn't have GPS think it I think it was entirely
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cellphone triangulation and WiFi network of known wi-fi locations general with
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know that way I would hook up to the hotel cities in the hotel's wifi use
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thing it was so advanced at the time but from in only seven years it's become I
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shipping without GPS now with a truly shitty camera too crazy it was like it
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shipped with a really nice cell phone camera and what I used to think of his
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cell phone camera quality as I going to get paid to do this thing because
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iPhone and I had to figure out how to get the photos from the old iPhone to my
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new iphone to post on Twitter and I didn't want to go through the Mac I was
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just sitting there watching soccer games and stuff and I couldn't figure it out
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the SIM card for the old iPhone it was running an old version of iOS didn't
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have a message of course there you know old reliable email you can always email
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yourself something and then went to email the photo and just emailed it to
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myself but it didn't ask me do you want to send small medium
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just send it I don't remember that and then it showed up on my new iphone
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then I realized nope that's how soon that was they didn't ask because the
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false Hayes photo was only like 200 is crazy night last thing I know we've got
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a long as long as I talk show standards but to me it is emblematic of the
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differences is is the car stuff isn't shipping yet the home automation stuff
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isn't really shipping and I know that there's new stuff with nest the one
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thing that started to ship are the watches right and now they've they
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shipped the first to Google wear watches and they had on-site they didn't give
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them to people yet the prototypes of the month at perot types but like early
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production models of the Moto 360 which is the round it it doesn't even use the
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whole circle yeah that's the bottom of the bottom it's not actually around
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there's actually I thought it was a bug and I read so if you look at the
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pictures of the Moto 360 at the very bottom of the front face like it the 6
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o'clock area there's a small black bars like it's almost like a bottom
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letterboxing of a few pixels at the bottom of the screen and apparently
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that's a feature not a bug it's where the displayed they can display drivers I
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don't know that means but I guess it's in other words for some technical reason
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it couldn't make the full display round I'm gonna call that a bug it's just it
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looks like somebody screwed up coughing and Instagram picture right will who who
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when you settle on that who says well good enough it's it's it looks like a
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joke it looks as if they've Korpi had tweeted that it looks like something
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that would come out of a plastic egg to me it everything about those watches and
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you know I don't mean it like
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fans may not be the best people who tend to be drawn to Apple products versus
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people who tend to be drawn to products and Sensibility yeah and it just
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emphasizes how different we are and in fact like for example the reaction from
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people who like stuff and maybe they're people who own a pair of Google glass
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and they attended Ohio and they were there and they got to choose the speed
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they gave you either the Samsung or LG rectangular and they said later in the
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year will give you the Moto 361 too and they had the 360 is there you can play
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with in demo mode but you couldn't take it with him
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those people and they say I like it I've got my samsung year live on I like it
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it's it's nice but I you know wow the the motorists the Moto 361 is even nicer
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can't wait for it right you are already admit that the one that that shipping is
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so horrible that they already want the next one
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it's the name I give you call something at 361 it doesn't hurt that should be
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like the the Moto 342 I don't know how many degrees that is but it's probably
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like maybe take 300 the Moto 300 I think that it's such a perfect example of the
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back to the product you have to start with the design and then find the
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technology to make it work that they've gone about this completely different in
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fact even said so on stage that word where it's now possible to make a full
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powered computer that you can wear on your by that the technology now exists
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to make a little watch sized vaguely biggest watch but you can make a
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computer this size arrest and so here it is here we've made one you know as
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opposed to coming up with here's something he would really want to do and
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you would want to wear and then we figured out the technology to make it
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it's a completely backwards it's a very different I will eat my hat if apple
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unveils something in the fall that even vaguely resembles these these watches
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defined vaguely resemble well that it's
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I actually have the thing right here it's a Kickstarter project actually
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forget the name of it and it's not printed on the watch band but it was a
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way to watch band you goodbye to put an iPad 2 square iPod nano and oh yeah
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tick tock or something yeah those Apple stores to yeah and it was a Kickstarter
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project and I bought it and and for strapping and i screw square iPod Nano
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under arrest it was great and it's a nice rubber band and I've worn it for
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listening to music or podcasts while running with iPod Nano it's great you
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put iPod nano and Kristen way better than strapping full-size i phone on your
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arm with an armband because iPod Nano is very small but these galaxies things are
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exactly is graceful and elegant and good looking as an iPod Nano strapped to a
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third party with you i think that was never designed to be a watch strap
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terrorists now technically there is obviously a big improvements where the
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iPod Nano didn't have any kind of internet access or live connection to
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your phone
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it's an independent device and now they've got notifications and stuff like
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that so there's a big difference in terms of the actual wireless thing but
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it just in terms of aesthetics I just can't believe that what they've come up
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with you know and at the interfaces no better than putting around bunches
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screens in fact interfaces worse because they don't have any kind of home screen
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on a watch it's like you've always got these cards that you click and there's
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no sense of where I find it very confusing in terms of spatial navigation
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at least the iPod Nano has a home screen where you squeeze down
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on and you've got a grid of apps like iOS which is still kinda weird iOS
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application yeah it just doesn't quite fit on the screen that small yeah I do I
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get their name it as a as a tech demo or as if you saw it in a movie in the hero
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had one that actually did use the full circle you think that was kind of cool
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as like movie you I that would look cool in the real world with the bar at the
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bottom line it's where the letterbox like that it just it feels like a joke
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it feels like this is a half-baked product is trying to get out the door so
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that they can get interest up for the next one
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it's more about an investment in the hope that kind of works out but I just
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don't see how batteries gonna work out I don't see how the UI I don't know maybe
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it's me just not thinking through it enough but it's just I've not seen one
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of these things with a good user experience that would stand up
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yeah I I have a palpable which is seems it's broadly similar mean that the
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Google now stuff is a total difference but i dont give Google by personal
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information I don't put my flight information into Google as always the
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demos are always about goddamn flights to you know I i've you know I don't know
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if I i've never had a flight on my watch before but I've never missed a flight so
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I don't know that that's how great a Democrat is anything but I've had a
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device paired with my phone that shows all notifications from my phone on my
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wrist and makes my wrist buzz when I get a notification and its doesn't doesn't
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seem helpful at all it doesn't doesn't good for me wrong I mean I don't think
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this is going to be any more popular than public I don't think just showing
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notifications on your wrist is useful I do kind of like the idea of the wings
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watch that you link to the other day the activity that's how I was the only thing
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I don't like about the thing is it's name but it's it's a nice looking watch
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it's not our fault even the website at all attractive fashionable people doing
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interesting things and the woman is even swimming
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a wee bit of Bluetooth and it does put our distance tracking I think it has a
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swim out to so you can I know I think I've seen from the people or activity
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trackers that swimming is always been a little difficult to adjust you look at
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it though and it it strikes you as it's it's not i mean there's no digital
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display is truly analog but maybe that's a smarter idea maybe there's something
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to be done with that yeah I don't know if it's good for everybody liked to me
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like I said I think so as well as a typical $400 watch which in in Apple's
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terms means not at all but in terms of people who make watches could be fine
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little side business you know is it is it a sort of thing that a hundred
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million people are gonna buy no I don't think there's any chance of that is it
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something a couple of 10,000 people would buy sure which makes me wonder
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because it's just a minute so watching us got that dial and the dial is just
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the new moves from zero two hundred and and that's the kind of thing that
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anybody any watchmaker could add that feature yeah I could see that becoming
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like a new and you know that those sort of features becoming a bigger part of
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traditional watches there could be the next semester has that thing in it
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well that would be deceived like a Rolex be different as a Rolex isn't electronic
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at all thats to me in the chemical watch might be cut out of all of this because
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there's no electronics at all which is sort of the aesthetic beauty of a
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mechanical watch bill like the Withings watch is quartz watch and it takes a
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standard watch battery but it has to be electronic to do any kind of Bluetooth
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about but but most of the watches most people buying the world are quartz
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watches not mechanical watches so I still think that that the highest-end
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you know the mechanical automatic watches are still not gonna be part of
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this but the vast majority of traditional watches our courts and could
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be I think its time but I think that's part of I think the fact that it runs it
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advertised to run for a year on a standard watch battery is part of
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of that whole a design is how it works like not having to worry about the
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battery more than once a year is an enormous difference from the girl
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watches which by all accounts so far need to be charged daley like asking
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someone to add another device that you have to charge every day is I think it's
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an enormous barrier and in some cases a device that would take up another IP
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address might not matter for you and me at home but for corporate types yeah
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maybe I don't know I don't know did they need an IP address I thought it was all
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Bluetooth and I think so i dont know im instant hit him like a matching
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great I think that we all blindly tolerate the fact we have to charge our
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phones every day because the phones in you know we can't with none of us want
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to go back to pre iPhone smartphone life it worth it even though it's an enormous
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hassle whereas at some point in the decades to come
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abd decade to come we're not gonna have to charge your phone every day and we're
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gonna look back on the days when we'd go to the airport and everybody was
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fighting over electrical sockets and grown and grown man wearing suits are
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sitting on the floor of the airport so that they can power charger because the
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phone was dead at three in the afternoon we can look back and think my god we we
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live like animals
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adding another device with that sort of constant need for charging is an
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enormous hassle has to add two to make it worthwhile that people would actually
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go through with that it has to add a lot of utility I think whereas all I don't
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take my phone out of my pocket to see who just texted me I can just look at my
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rest to me doesn't cross that barrier
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close in the best case scenario is not you making your flight at the best-case
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scenarios not even having maps data on your wrist isn't compelling enough
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taking my phone in my pocket is not that hard right I don't think that the
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difference between taking my phone out of my pocket vs slipping my rest to be
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watch face visible is that much of a difference yes it is easier to look at
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my rest so I know and I do wear
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regular wrist watch when I want to see what time it is I do just look at my
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wrist I don't take out my phone but the difference isn't that great for most
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things like it totally makes sense to me it makes a lot of sense to me how an
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awful lot of people especially as they skew younger say I don't understand why
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you'd want to wear a timepiece wristwatch I just look at my phone like
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it's not that big a difference and that to me is the entire reason these things
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do exist other than the fitness tracking which there's a lot of awful lot more
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subtle solutions out there right you somebody's worried if it but you don't
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know it
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somebody's galaxy y her live SmartWatch and you know it because they've got a
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giant brick unrest if if only they could put on their face so I think these
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things are done on rival going nowhere and predict that if if Apple has
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something risk wearable to show this fall that it won't resemble these things
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it's similar to the argument to it the Daily Show thing about the Google glass
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explorers yes the the ability to access that information with Google glass
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without looking away from the person it's a similar argument being able to
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see the time without taking different in your pocket or to see your notifications
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that taking your phone in your pocket it takes a certain kind of person for that
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to be worthwhile it feels more like I think we can do with technology rather
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than solving a real problem yeah I it doesn't seem just seems like you've
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solved a very very small problem which is that on my phone out of my pocket and
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then you have to have your phone with you can't go out without the phone and
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still have a connection because you're not a Bluetooth rain so you can't just
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go for a run and leave your phone at home and do all the things you do on
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your phone because you've lost the connection it doesn't solve that bike
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that would be a true that would be a real problem solved but I think it's a
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social problem is that the real thing you don't want to do is take your phone
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out to look at a notification you're talking to somebody so you're not there
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not solving that problem they're just masking yeah and if you get if you look
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and it's important notification you can have to do it anyway and if it's not
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important notification why you getting a notification and it doesn't it at no
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point has ever been played too kindly check your watchman talking to somebody
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when the other things to do drives me nuts whenever I've tried and ratings and
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read defaults to showing a lot more notifications and all notifications put
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an icon in the status bar and I noticed during Ohio even on the demos that the
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cleaned-up prepared demos for the software that status bar was just chock
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full of notifications
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you know there's like three gmail icon because you've got three new messages
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for Gmail and I can't believe it doesn't drive people that like walking into
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somebody's house and disorganized I got stuff all over the place like dirty
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dishes out says I look around my office got like literally like 447 cardboard
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boxes from Amazon yet but if your gonna show pictures of your your home can you
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clean it up now well we keep my office I don't know I can't help but think that
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this is going to be another one of those things where Apple shows a wearable that
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looks nothing like these things does something different and the other thing
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too and that's just too tired all is a go back seven years celebrate the iPhone
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anniversary the other thing about the original iPhone seven years ago is when
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they first shipped it or showed it on stage it seemed too good to be true
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there was this and and famously like rim had like a meeting the next day where
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they they just their conclusion was Apple is lying about the capabilities of
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this device because it can't do the things that they're saying it doesn't
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last all day like there's nothing about these Google where the Android wear
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watches even the Moto 320 that makes anybody say I can't believe that they
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were able to build that this year
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well it doesn't help that they're sitting there telling everybody how it
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works but thats good thing is talking about here is how we got this together
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yeah but there's no aspect of the technology that that that is surprising
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or seems like wow that should that seems like it's from
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the future it's dead sort of Android Google's index philosophy thing away
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anytime you see even even the more popular Linux apps or the things that go
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it all has that error of people sitting around like a modern-day version of
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those electronics kiss you goodbye Radio Shack here's the stuff and here's what
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we can do it the stuff and I made you a video right which is cool if it's a
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bunch of kids making a hobby type thing our university project is pointless if
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its major initiative from you know one of the 10 biggest corporations in the
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world that wants to make a product for a billion people like if I went over the
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test and there is a kid showing off a wearable that was like Google glass I'm
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really impressed more of the same thing with these watches right I would be very
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very impressive looking like I get right Dave presenting their presenting this is
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something that maybe millions of people will be buying for Christmas this year
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and I think that it's not going to happen and I think Apple is either a
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gonna show nothing and they're not going to get into this or be there gonna show
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something that very different and then all of a sudden next year's Google
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Android wear watches will look an awful lot like the one that Apple unveiled at
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the end of 2014 and all the Google people are gonna be like yeah but we've
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had we had watches the year before to kill just because I was changed in the
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next year and happened to do exactly like the Apple there was always going to
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get there this is just the nature of it it it's funny that before the iPhone
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came out there is an all the rumors about it
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an Apple iPhone and iPhone they weren't close to the mark and nobody guessed it
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but there was a lot of imagination people you look at all these mock-ups
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these these fake phones that people put together in Photoshop and in 3d
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rendering software
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and people were people had a lot of interesting ideas of how Apple might do
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phone there's nothing like that for a watch know well and while the other
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thing know too well again I think that watches the wrong with look at it but
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there might be something like that for what you get your rest I don't know I I
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hope that Apple has something to show because I think if they do it's going to
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be really interesting and thoughtful and I think it's going to be a necessity
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push the boundaries of what we considered technically possible and
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there's nothing about that with the Google where stuff doesn't feel like
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magic at all now it just feels like well it seems like you know by now you ought
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to be able to make the equivalent of a two hundred you know an iPod Nano with
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with Bluetooth right as of today I'm not excited at all about Apple making a
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wearable thing that I put on my wrist I if they do it i hope that through Apple
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style be suddenly I'll be salivating over the thing I well I'm my optimism is
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because because it's not because I have a good imagination of what it would do
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cuz i dont I'm with you on that I can't imagine what they would make them go
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nowhere but my get my confidence that they're only on the ship something if
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they have an answer to that question that I just haven't thought about his
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eye on C I'm the big difference from 2007 his ID reason I was blown away as I
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really I would have considered impossible before the keynote to have
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aids quote-unquote stripped down version of OS 10 running if somebody would have
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said to me before here's what I think they're gonna do is gonna show they're
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gonna have an iPhone and its gonna run stripped down version of iOS 10 for
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touchscreens
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I would have had my response would have been well that's not possible maybe in
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the future that night I would agree with that so I think that whatever Apple's
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gonna have to risk is going to be that sort of thing I didn't think that was
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possible yet but here it is I think that that's really gonna come down to Battery
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I think that's a big shot and that's why I think that the weird thing I think
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that the the focus on iPhone Android style LCD displays in the Android where
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is why I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's the biggest reason they only get
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one day about it is because God because the display displays take someone to the
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battery you know like I said with Jonas before his he gets terrible battery life
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fulbright plays it's just an enormous enormous strain didn't Steve Jobs say
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that at one point that the biggest drain on the battery in the iPhone was the
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display yeah I can open secret I mean it's just simple you know just lighting
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up millions of this is why I think that with things activity steampunk
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approaches pretty smart yeah I'd I don't think I would actually I'll just go so
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far as to say I think I'd be very surprised if Apple's wearable is an
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iPhone style display on your ass and I don't know if it will be no display I
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don't know if it's like I think that just collects data but I don't I just
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don't see how running a display and therefore only getting one day of
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battery life
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a desirable comes out I don't know I think we're filled up the hour its rapid
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update whiskas people can can find you on Twitter what's your username this
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deal with us deal with gasoline and got your own professional with Jamie
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Newberry and
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what's that app that I like that I like that up people can check that out it's
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on sale for the summer $2.99 and I think thanks to you you you said for the
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summer but what you wrote was until he sobered up to sober up we'll see how
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that goes to help us I I'll send you the audio and then get to work
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