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88: ‘Cat Pictures’, With Marco Arment (Side 1)

 

00:00:00   has your week she is widely what they launched in Africa I forgot how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/0">TS</a>]

00:00:11   work this is it's been awhile since I've had an app in the store and laptop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   was in the store is the magazine because I'm very popular and didn't require tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/14">TS</a>]

00:00:18   support man what was I thinking what's gone wrong it's it's mostly the funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/18">TS</a>]

00:00:28   thing is it's been a very successful launch overall there have been very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/28">TS</a>]

00:00:32   real major problems there have been a few minor bugs many of us have a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/32">TS</a>]

00:00:40   fix server-side just like you know such certain podcast feeds weren't being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/40">TS</a>]

00:00:44   called right or something but overall the dogs have been really good the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/44">TS</a>]

00:00:49   problem is I've gotten nothing done since yesterday when I launched it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/49">TS</a>]

00:00:53   because I've been trying to keep up with all the tweet responses trying to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/53">TS</a>]

00:00:57   all the reviews trying to end a recent leaders to try to answer all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/57">TS</a>]

00:01:01   emails I currently have 1099 unread emails in my inbox I just finished our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/61">TS</a>]

00:01:10   attacking them tonight after making a bunch of the common responses doors bird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/70">TS</a>]

00:01:15   is the word is that that's over a hundred higher the number you quoted me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/75">TS</a>]

00:01:19   about six or seven hours ago when I check to see if this show ya 950 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/79">TS</a>]

00:01:28   they're coming in faster response like 900 around noon or so yeah I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/88">TS</a>]

00:01:35   guess I was 9 hours ago so that they give you some idea like the over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/95">TS</a>]

00:01:39   total downloads of the entire app like the number of people who downloaded not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/99">TS</a>]

00:01:43   even the people who have made an account just people have downloaded the app at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/103">TS</a>]

00:01:46   all is roughly thirty five to forty thousand I don't have done today stepped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/106">TS</a>]

00:01:50   up its almost immediate little bit but roughly 35 40,000 well I mean that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/110">TS</a>]

00:01:56   event has gone very happy with that out of those at least 1,500 them have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/116">TS</a>]

00:02:02   emailed me that seems like a kind of high ratio to me I don't know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/122">TS</a>]

00:02:07   kind of seems too high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   that does seem high but it's i think it's also the nature though you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/129">TS</a>]

00:02:14   weirdo nature and you know I'm in the same boat but but we're we're media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/134">TS</a>]

00:02:19   personalities you know people read our sites were sort of have a column has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/139">TS</a>]

00:02:23   style and we do podcasts of course obviously I think we do I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/143">TS</a>]

00:02:31   encourages a sort of wanting to give feedback like and they don't think and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/151">TS</a>]

00:02:39   again I bet you'll agree with me I will bet you'll agree with this that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/159">TS</a>]

00:02:43   though you're you're complaining about being swamped but your privilege and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46   thrilled that people want to do that and say nice things about your apparatus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/166">TS</a>]

00:02:50   questions and stuff I i dont know definitely i mean i i really want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/170">TS</a>]

00:02:57   as much of the support of this myself and I regret saying that god bless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/177">TS</a>]

00:03:03   as well but what I've done instead is I tried to ridiculously minimize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/183">TS</a>]

00:03:08   number of supporting actually get so I can actually treat them like a human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/188">TS</a>]

00:03:13   being or at least hire somebody to do it and keep an eye on it very closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/193">TS</a>]

00:03:16   whereas with with Instapaper was never able to do that there is too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19   support and that's sort of a virtuous circle where you being motivated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/199">TS</a>]

00:03:27   minimize support issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   design and development wise because you're going to deal with them yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/209">TS</a>]

00:03:33   means that if you succeed it works and you have less time doing support and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/213">TS</a>]

00:03:37   vote for you know where is if you had somebody doing support you when I maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/217">TS</a>]

00:03:40   wouldn't be as as you wouldn't care quite as much right this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/220">TS</a>]

00:03:44   that you friended University no jacket has always said that he I believe this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/224">TS</a>]

00:03:49   case that he always answers all his own support email so that he is both you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/229">TS</a>]

00:03:54   know on top of issues as they arise and aware of what people are asking for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/234">TS</a>]

00:03:58   so that he is motivated to fix problems in the app that caused a lot of support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/238">TS</a>]

00:04:03   issues so that people don't even have to email you know everyone there so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/243">TS</a>]

00:04:08   trying it out I'll see you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   I i don't have any idea what the like stable Email rate will be five weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/251">TS</a>]

00:04:19   from now on a Tuesday you know what's what's going to be the email read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   day I don't know so I'll see if I can still handle it myself I i would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/262">TS</a>]

00:04:27   do as much by myself in the early days as possible at this initial batch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/267">TS</a>]

00:04:31   1,100 more this initial batch of 1100 + emails I would like to get the result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/271">TS</a>]

00:04:39   just so I have some idea like what are people asking for what you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/279">TS</a>]

00:04:43   what should I be doing differently what it what is confusing people about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/283">TS</a>]

00:04:47   app that I should they should think about rearranging or read labeling or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/287">TS</a>]

00:04:51   rethinking I know I know cable sasser does the same thing with major releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/291">TS</a>]

00:04:56   and only does it with every major release but I know that he's done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/296">TS</a>]

00:05:00   like and I don't think he has dated dive into this report on a regular basis but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/300">TS</a>]

00:05:04   it's like when they launched like coda four point out whatever the next version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/304">TS</a>]

00:05:08   is he'll spend like that that like 36 hour manic period of ok it is out on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/308">TS</a>]

00:05:16   front lines of the support you you know working through because he wants that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/316">TS</a>]

00:05:20   experience he wants to see that you know initial feedback and it's valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/320">TS</a>]

00:05:26   there's there's an endorphin high of a big release like this that and it to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/326">TS</a>]

00:05:32   it it's you know in hindsight you can look back and say this is a great week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/332">TS</a>]

00:05:36   if it's you know as long as the launch successful and it's not something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/336">TS</a>]

00:05:41   holy crap you know the server actually can't you know take more than a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/341">TS</a>]

00:05:46   years and that I lucked out big time with that cause I was that's what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/346">TS</a>]

00:05:50   most worried about I had forgotten about the the concept of support email I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/350">TS</a>]

00:05:54   much more worried about the service holding up and I didn't really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/354">TS</a>]

00:05:58   couldn't really predict how heavy load would be on the server so I went online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/358">TS</a>]

00:06:03   where all my stuff is couple days ago and I just added like eight new servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/363">TS</a>]

00:06:08   because you can add whatever you want to build our early so I just had way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/368">TS</a>]

00:06:14   competitive and then I think I will need and make a way that I can usually clone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/374">TS</a>]

00:06:18   them if I need even more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   and then you know I can always take them all down next week yeah and and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/380">TS</a>]

00:06:25   where you've done large-scale things before Instapaper the tiny users and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/385">TS</a>]

00:06:31   know you know a lot like overcast is largely you know it's the whole thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/391">TS</a>]

00:06:37   the whole premise is built on the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/397">TS</a>]

00:06:40   tumblr obviously I think has a fair number of users and even you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/400">TS</a>]

00:06:48   however much smaller they were when you left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   tumbler that was a big ass website when you left yet I mean when I left if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/410">TS</a>]

00:06:55   screwed up I would serve about 1,200 error pages per second alright well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/415">TS</a>]

00:06:59   there you go that's actually kind of pressuring but the thing and so Brent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/419">TS</a>]

00:07:03   Simmons was in the same boat and I will return to this is one of the reasons I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/423">TS</a>]

00:07:07   so interested by over cases they do see some fair number of similarities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/427">TS</a>]

00:07:11   situation lies with Vesper InDesign lies even but one of the things was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/431">TS</a>]

00:07:18   brent has built large-scale online things you know there's no news wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/438">TS</a>]

00:07:23   sinking some of the other stuff we did in NewsGator so I felt really good being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/443">TS</a>]

00:07:28   you know having nothing to do with writing the code betting on Brent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/448">TS</a>]

00:07:33   Simmons and it did work out we had a great launch the sink wall and find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   I would have been just as happy betting on you know overcast and Marco Arment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/456">TS</a>]

00:07:41   having a good thing has experienced really matters but on the other hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/461">TS</a>]

00:07:45   them you know had a couple of these things in mind especially for online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/465">TS</a>]

00:07:51   stuff every couple years the state of the art changes and there's little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/471">TS</a>]

00:07:54   things that are new and different right it didn't used to be that you could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   to lie note and say you know what give me a couple of extra database servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/477">TS</a>]

00:08:02   you couldn't do it right and so in in large part I think the reason by both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/482">TS</a>]

00:08:08   launches one while those things work really well but you never know cos it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/488">TS</a>]

00:08:12   might be something there might be something that you overlook its that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15   what bugs are bugs are always things that you overlook and you can say here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/495">TS</a>]

00:08:20   all here's the seven things that have been me before scaling gonna make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/500">TS</a>]

00:08:23   all seven of these i've handled well there may be in new one in eight one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/503">TS</a>]

00:08:27   that you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/507">TS</a>]

00:08:28   and then all of a sudden you've got a big launch of this website to writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/508">TS</a>]

00:08:32   about you are on the front page of this website that website all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/512">TS</a>]

00:08:36   Twitter's going not people talking about it and your server is down and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/516">TS</a>]

00:08:43   you probably would be much less happy market and you know because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/523">TS</a>]

00:08:48   difference like I mean I I did a bad test with about 40 people for about two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/528">TS</a>]

00:08:52   months and forty people at Apple has not as far as I know rolled out that new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/532">TS</a>]

00:08:56   testing thing that they may testify them to know so you're still up to 200 device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/536">TS</a>]

00:09:00   lots so forty people if you want to leave any room for anyone to get new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03   phones in the fall or anyone to have an iPad that's about as big of a group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/543">TS</a>]

00:09:07   you can do and you know i i this is the biggest bad I've ever done by a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/547">TS</a>]

00:09:12   shot but long as I've ever done and the beta uncut didn't cover tons of issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/552">TS</a>]

00:09:17   and in which I'm very thankful for and yet their worst there are still bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/557">TS</a>]

00:09:22   that none of us found because the difference between forty people and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/562">TS</a>]

00:09:27   know thirty thousand people is substantial and at the end of the forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/567">TS</a>]

00:09:33   you know we were mostly it was mostly people I know I like you and you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/573">TS</a>]

00:09:37   tech people so it wasn't a very diverse group and so certain things like we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/577">TS</a>]

00:09:41   never ran into because that isn't how we use the podcast app you know where I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/581">TS</a>]

00:09:45   a lot of people do worms that part of the problem of I'd love to hear an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/585">TS</a>]

00:09:50   engine that could like if there's already like frequently run into sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/590">TS</a>]

00:09:58   edge or something like that what do you think what do you think the average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/598">TS</a>]

00:10:02   number of podcasts is that somebody subscribes to 30 you know obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/602">TS</a>]

00:10:12   right so I don't I don't have that number available for overcast yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/612">TS</a>]

00:10:17   however I have heard from many people apparently my OPML importer is having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/617">TS</a>]

00:10:23   problems for people who have OPML file have a hundred feet and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/623">TS</a>]

00:10:29   these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/629">TS</a>]

00:10:30   I like I listen to my my field list is about 35 or 40 long as a lot of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/630">TS</a>]

00:10:37   are shows at that are retired or on hiatus for a lot of them are shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/637">TS</a>]

00:10:41   I like I had one episode of the whole show and they still haven't deleted them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/641">TS</a>]

00:10:46   and so you get the number of a podcast I listen to actively that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/646">TS</a>]

00:10:52   new episodes every week is probably about 10 maybe and that I consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/652">TS</a>]

00:10:57   myself a heavy podcast listener but compared to the general public like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/657">TS</a>]

00:11:03   there are these edge cases out there there are these people who listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/663">TS</a>]

00:11:06   over a hundred one guy complained that his head over a hundred and fifty I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   couldn't import it properly and I just never considered and that also that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/669">TS</a>]

00:11:16   creates problems you know the my the problem is that there's no way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/676">TS</a>]

00:11:21   specify episodes you can only say which podcast you subscribe to it in other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/681">TS</a>]

00:11:26   ways in other words it's the URL of the podcast feed not the URL of the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/686">TS</a>]

00:11:33   correct and that's it and so it it the OPF standard cannot communicate to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/693">TS</a>]

00:11:38   between apps but you know whether you've heard all the episodes are not which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41   ones are unplayed how far you've gotten in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/701">TS</a>]

00:11:44   it only knows which podcasts you subscribe to period that's it that's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/704">TS</a>]

00:11:49   be pedantic here or fill in for a circus that's not really a limit of OPML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/709">TS</a>]

00:11:54   General Assembly vote him out is a general-purpose outliner file format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/714">TS</a>]

00:11:59   it's it's the specific flavor of OPML that is widely understood as the lingua [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/719">TS</a>]

00:12:05   franca franca franca of sharing of sharing a list of feeds you subscribe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/725">TS</a>]

00:12:14   and that's right it's true for RSS readers to examine format and actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/734">TS</a>]

00:12:19   very good reason why nobody's implemented episode exporting importing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/739">TS</a>]

00:12:24   its mostly because there is no good way to uniquely identify the episodes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/744">TS</a>]

00:12:30   would amount because GUI did not required in the standards so so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/750">TS</a>]

00:12:35   a lot of feed that did you ideas wrong anyway and some fields that you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/755">TS</a>]

00:12:40   even use the URL for the audio file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   because there's some aren't there some shows where they'll give it and put two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/762">TS</a>]

00:12:46   in a no-sail a here's here's to the format mp3 and m4a oh yeah is even still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/766">TS</a>]

00:12:51   some people who put in Ogg Vorbis and there's there's a new format cog opus I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/771">TS</a>]

00:12:55   think I didn't even hear of until yesterday I i dont have popularity is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/775">TS</a>]

00:13:00   but just to give you that I think that tells you how popular improbable but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/780">TS</a>]

00:13:06   end so that there's now dealing with broken feeds you know feat that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/786">TS</a>]

00:13:11   clearly broken mark-up but you know that people are angry about that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/791">TS</a>]

00:13:16   support and so I have to figure how to support them and it's a mess but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/796">TS</a>]

00:13:19   so the one of the biggest complaints I've gotten it from people who subscribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/799">TS</a>]

00:13:23   to a lot of shows might might default behavior when importing the PMO is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/803">TS</a>]

00:13:29   will assume that you want the one most recent episode in every one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33   sweetest that is a bad assumption and so when you have a hundred and fifty feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/813">TS</a>]

00:13:40   I try to immediately down 150 episodes and people are complaining that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/820">TS</a>]

00:13:45   filling up their phones all of a sudden they have three gigs a podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   litter after import and and i dont have like a bolt cancel operation and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/828">TS</a>]

00:13:54   this is something that that is a valid problem I didn't think of it it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/834">TS</a>]

00:13:59   came I have to figure out some good way to solve that now but that is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/839">TS</a>]

00:14:04   about problem yeah and I'm I was a bad tester for that because I don't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/844">TS</a>]

00:14:10   like an archive of old shows I don't want i don't have a subscription to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/850">TS</a>]

00:14:16   hypercritical anymore just because I want to go back and listen to if I do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/856">TS</a>]

00:14:21   might strike me and my fancy someday I but then I would I wouldn't think I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   to have a subscription to it I would think I'm gonna directory find it funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/864">TS</a>]

00:14:29   episode 01 and play and then write it there I would never think I wanna even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/869">TS</a>]

00:14:35   understand the mindset that someone would want to do that here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   hundred and fifty podcast I've ever been interested in and i wanna move this file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/877">TS</a>]

00:14:41   around from app to app my mind that that seems crazy to me a new I kinda like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/881">TS</a>]

00:14:47   idea of switching and trying a new podcast app every once in a while just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/887">TS</a>]

00:14:50   to start clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   and say Jeremy find two or three shows only listen to have got a long drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/892">TS</a>]

00:14:56   ahead of me right I think it's easier because you despite those outliers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/896">TS</a>]

00:15:00   RSS has always had that problem we're usually people listen to their people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/900">TS</a>]

00:15:05   subscribe to usually a pretty good number of RSS feeds if they use it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   all like i subscribe for probably two hundred RSS feeds and again most of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/908">TS</a>]

00:15:12   done it every day so it's easy to follow but podcast you know there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/912">TS</a>]

00:15:18   limit on how many podcasts you can listen to on a regular basis and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/918">TS</a>]

00:15:22   always assume the numbers would be substantially lower for your number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   podcast feeds that most people described you I assume that would be a very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28   number and it turns out not necessarily say so what what they want is they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/928">TS</a>]

00:15:35   to be able to maybe even default 20 downloads per podcast and then go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/935">TS</a>]

00:15:40   through and and change it from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/940">TS</a>]

00:15:44   right and I think honestly I mean a safe default might be easier and just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/944">TS</a>]

00:15:49   make people pick one from everything you know I think my assumption that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/949">TS</a>]

00:15:53   the latest one from everything is probably problematic enough that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/953">TS</a>]

00:15:57   should probably change it would I can change that one service I'd maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   a good one that you'd want to do if I hadn't just a single new subscription in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/959">TS</a>]

00:16:04   the app maybe assume I want to get the most recent episode but if I'm importing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/964">TS</a>]

00:16:08   an OPML file don't assume I want any the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/968">TS</a>]

00:16:12   yeah that's that is certainly well actually no I think I think my default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/972">TS</a>]

00:16:16   behavior now is that if you tap subscriber new showdown with the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/976">TS</a>]

00:16:20   episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/980">TS</a>]

00:16:21   directory which i think is a safe assumption but I think you're right with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/981">TS</a>]

00:16:25   ok I think I think it doesn't say I think maybe I'll change that later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28   tonight after that leads directly to another question pad and i've seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/988">TS</a>]

00:16:36   and I'm not even following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   nearly as religious as I'm sure you are on Twitter the day one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/998">TS</a>]

00:16:42   commentary about it but I've seen a lot of people remark about the lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:46   streaming yes that that is a big one and I again I never really noticed I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:55   have because I guess there have been times I've been trying to to run on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1015">TS</a>]

00:17:01   more regular basis and that one of the times right do listen to podcasts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:05   it'll be like hey I know theres gotta be a new ATP out let me go look and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:14   it is and I do I have to wait until I get the whole thing before I go out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:17   i dont no way that that it would ever even have occurred to me added you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:23   right in as a suggestion that I would like to just leave the house and have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:26   stream over LTE or something like that is it doesn't take that long for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:30   know hundred-and-some megabyte file but it seemed like a lot of people want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:36   what they want is they wanted to start downloading and playing at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:42   oh yeah and and streaming it's you know it isn't there because it's it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:46   do and I didn't have time to do it and it's going to take months to do it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:49   that's why it's not there a lot of people assume that I just forgot to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:53   it just some oversight just got a check box that's what I figured the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1073">TS</a>]

00:18:01   the answer is that it's not like a lot of these things it's not easy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:05   really hard and and it's harder for me because of my audio engine like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:09   it's easier for the other players that don't use the low level stuff that I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:13   to do my audio effects it easier for them but it's a lot easier for them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:17   way I'm going to do it is going to be more manual going to build more those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:21   parts from scratch but the main argument for it then first of all I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:26   need for it is exaggerated on day one because so many people want to just jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:32   in and try and try playing it and have to wait for the files to download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:35   whereas if you just use the app regularly most new episodes will get we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:40   push to you in the background and you won't even notice them downloading but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:43   mean you launch the app next they're just there so you know background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:46   download it removes much of the need but there are still situations where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:50   need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:51   where she is very nice to have the big to our immediate feedback like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:57   just want to add a neighborhood listen to it right now like right as you add it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1137">TS</a>]

00:19:01   then you wanna hear it you guys are playing immediately and in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:04   big one is if you like a lot of the client's offer a streaming only mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:09   where nothing is ever downloaded you only ever stream things and that way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:14   don't use any disk space to know that they would never even occurred and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:18   it's a really good idea and like 80 if you think about you know for me I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:22   never use it because you know I have I live in an area that has spotty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:25   reception and I often travel and go upstate on a plane or something and so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:30   i I want everything to be just downloaded in there and ready but a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:35   of people don't work that way a lot of people want everything to always only be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:39   streamed and we all the space you on the phone and we'll see what happens like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:43   with iOS aid with the new photo management thing you know maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:48   there won't be as much of a space crunch on iOS devices as there used to be who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:52   knows but either way I am gonna answer me it's just a matter of doing it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:57   probably take a few months yeah it seems like there's that's actually sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:01   under the radar like one of the priorities of Iowa State is space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:08   management because they're doing it too similar thing they're doing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:11   messages where exact its defaulting to not keeping the images and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:19   attachments that you've been sent and I think part of that is a sort of trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:25   towards privacy in general and you know things like snapchat stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:30   where it works like that and people seem to like it and maybe it just never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:33   of them before but I think another big part of it is that you know even for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:37   it's not like a super heavy texture but Wisconsin I communicate a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:42   Vesper I've got tons of screenshots and my messages with him if I look in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:48   usage I do have a couple of gigabytes for 4 for 5 gigabytes in messages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:55   there's no way to get them to get them out I mean I think go through one by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:59   that way lies madness right where you can delete the entire conversation with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:04   Dave whiskers and lose that entire history yeah I don't want to do and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:09   also the way the weird way I messaged works where I've actually got like seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:13   conversations with whiskas enough they're basing his phone number to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:19   Apple I D my Apple iTV has Apple I D I don't know quite how that counts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:24   everyone to know that would be less I would probably easier to delete 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:27   conversations with them but but who knows how much of those gigabyte is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:33   sorts of other people too and I got to keep deleting all those I don't know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   thing I don't know and I would love to know the answer to maybe somebody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   upgraded their regular found Iowa State basis would know whether that applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:44   your old messages like if you upgrade your phone to Iowa see all that that new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:50   world only apply to new messages as they come in are we going to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:55   smart about your archive of all damages that's a tough one because you certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1315">TS</a>]

00:22:01   you can see that the other problem is like you know if if they just default to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:05   all right we're gonna stop keeping all of stuff by default that is used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:10   upgrade to iOS 80 year old messages got deleted and that's so I can see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:16   problem the right it's one thing if new messages start coming in with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:21   little keep button and you you know even if you don't quite notice it right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24   well it was there and you have had the opportunity to press keep it's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:28   thing to say all those messages you got over the last three years that you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:33   even had to worry about whether they were gonna be kept or not you've kept me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:37   to be did you a favor and delete it right i mean i think what would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:41   make more sense would be to treat those attachments just like entries in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:47   photos library where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   they are all kept on iCloud and then they can just be pulled down to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:53   you a few actually scroll up and go like you know three years back in history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:56   they can be put off the off the network that would make that makes a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1376">TS</a>]

00:23:00   sense having use your storage but unfortunately with some people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   might use a ton of storage the average of just about to send the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:06   that it for a lot of people a couple of gigs of my message images is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:11   pretty close to the number of gigs at a nightclub storage right exactly and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:17   also a lot of duplication I think like like if you send a picture to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:21   to you now have two copies that here storage but the one in your camera roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:26   in the one you sent them I don't know how that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   yeah I do think that question i think you might as it might also I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:37   know I never checked whether they like it or anything and nothing to do but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:43   dont have to be questioned and when you do get a copy like when you definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:47   gotta do when you take the photo with your phone and then you switch to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:52   iPad or your Mac or something and the conversation is over there to that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:56   obviously a copy right exactly I don't know good question obviously something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1436">TS</a>]

00:24:03   you have to concern yourself about the that's one area where you know overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:08   I think it's in a unique situation where you know you some some users might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:15   reasonably one overcast to literally take up a majority of the stored on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:20   device you know somebody with us 64 gigabyte iPhone my might actually want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:25   podcast app that stories about 40 gigabytes of podcasts radio especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:31   if you're going on a trip or something and you're gonna be without coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:34   you're going international you know I use data roaming or you or you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37   going out for a while and you're in a country where cell coverage of Aircel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:41   data is very expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   you know either way you know there are so many reasons why you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:47   downloaded and why you wanted to be taking up space in your phone rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:51   than requiring it to be streamed constantly but the other side of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:55   probably just as frequently as you have a 16 gig device and its full and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1495">TS</a>]

00:25:00   want to do what's podcast and you have no space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   that sucks and so I can see both sides of the argument but there's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:08   problem in having the app offers a very healthy blend of those two things cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:14   then everything becomes way more complicated both the postal code and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:18   interface then you have to manage these states and offer ways for people to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:22   Transformers stream into a download or you know delete something believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:26   streamable and all these things that really complicate the interface and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:30   the data model and then and even the mental model of the user as 22 no do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:35   have this thing or not that's why I'm trying to keep it very simple so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:40   people can can know what what's happening they can know what they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:44   been looking at it they can see if they can tell ok I have thus far and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:48   be kind of assured of that and they can depend on that you know but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:53   hard this and this is my podcast episode challenging to make I think because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:57   one of those categories like to do lists where like it seems simple at first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   then you start getting requests from people saying wait a minute there is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:05   only is there no way to satisfy all of them a change you make it going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:09   satisfy this group but angered the other group but also that the problem space is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:15   so complicated of what somebody might want to know exactly how do I want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:19   that there is infinite potential for improvement for every person no one has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:25   ever hunted percent satisfied with the podcast everyone's always like sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:30   percent satisfied and I you know so I made one that satisfies my sixty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:35   I'm very happy with it but it's it's never gonna kill everyone and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:42   even close I think that's another one of the broad areas racy it is similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:46   Vesper and there's a ton of no taps and writing one that ships with the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:53   from Apple that's not horrible you know and it is there you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1613">TS</a>]

00:27:00   at least you know and one of the things I like about it at least you see where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:04   was coming from with that so you don't have to worry like it more worrisome of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:07   Apple doesn't happen happen your category right like when you're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:12   wondering like either why isn't there an app my category to category suck that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:16   badly and what will happen if they make one then they'll crush us all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:21   and even if it ends up not being crushing it's it's stressful like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:25   must have gone through that with the real story hearing about it before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:30   comes out then they announced it and then you have to wear while popular is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:33   going to be it's coming out and three months when the betas over and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:39   stressful I mean I you know it's better to know that wow here's a podcast app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:44   and here's all the reasons I don't like it and I know that there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:47   other people who don't like it and they're probably not going to wipe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:52   out and start over I don't think well and there are things about Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:57   podcast that are the way they are because that's how Apple does things or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:02   because their strategies tax in place like there's there's a certain amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:06   of cloudiness in the app that is entirely because it has to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:12   iTunes podcast directory and it has to be tied so so firmly to that and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:19   they can't do anything that that like breaks that it has to cater to a casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:24   I don't even know I don't even know what a podcast is yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:27   person in certain ways and it also has to cater to every territory in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:32   every language in the world every genre of podcasts in the world and it and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:40   you know think about like whenever the podcast app team wants to get something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:44   changed or improved about the API to the store how likely is that to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:49   happen you know like inside Apple's iTunes Store team has enough to do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:55   think if the podcast team with the podcast app on iOS team makes a request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:59   how higher priority is that really to the to the iTunes Store team that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:03   other stuff to do with you know the more high-profile things like the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:08   and the music store and so the Apple podcast episode is going to be limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:13   by that bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14   its limited by Apple's like 80% strategy you know they're they're never going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:18   do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:19   features that are as nerdy as like my playlist liked the way I do playlist is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:24   so crazy with all these filters and everything and it's it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28   playlist system for nerds and apples never gonna do one like that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:32   that's not the way to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:33   yeah I don't think so either and in fact it might even might even be problematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:39   for them in the way that their podcast app for iOS is like this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:46   relationship with iTunes on Mac and Windows which is where you let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:51   Apple solution for hey listen to podcasts on your Mac or PC where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:56   playlist has a very different word I mean maybe they could just add I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1796">TS</a>]

00:30:01   they could maybe piggyback on playlists they include audio file you know regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:05   audio files from the library or whatever but that hasn't turned into more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   mess in my mind right and that's why I like when the Apple click the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:13   podcast have added something completely caught channels which is basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   smart playlists to it you can just select like it's like which feeds go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:20   into this and that your playlists and add that's the podcast I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:24   reason they had to call channels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   something else in the United I never thought about that I was always confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:30   to tell by their channels I thought their channels were little bit more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:34   categories in the store and i think thats why I found it so confusing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:39   that they're not really categories in the store they are probably more like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:43   would make more sense to me if they call him channels and then print the US Smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:48   Playlist they're smart player for broadcast it has there ever been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:52   anything in the history of technology after the television where the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:58   channels was used for something that being a success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   that's an excellent question cuz it's been using a buncha like half assed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:05   terrible things like the windows 98 channels bar and Active Desktop anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:10   who listen to the show actually members that you don't see where I'm at perceive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13   that was very lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   imagine imagine Microsoft at its worst at a time when complain PC hardware was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:22   at its worst where would the software was trying to do way too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:28   web technologies were brand new and this is a Microsoft tried to integrate ie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:32   into the desktop to the desktop is basically a giant web you on hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:37   that was like a pentium ninety with 16 megs of RAM like it was a it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:44   awful time to be a PC user and there are many awful time to be PC user but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:48   think like 1997 was a particularly awful bad for being a Mac user to their point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:56   just a bad year computers as Steve Jobs call it in the interview in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1916">TS</a>]

00:32:00   interview with cringely a dark ages of computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03   exactly where he was not that far off about that is bad for everybody you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:07   next had like three developers like really cool system in like six apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:13   they weren't super expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   the machine that could run it may be by 97 I guess they ran on PCs it was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:21   next step are opened up but like no market whatsoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:26   max word part of a company that was dying and had no no no real operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:33   system no modern operating system and then mike was so powerful Windows 98 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:42   given to all of their worst impulses so bad it was so so bad and the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:49   was there was so new 897 that ever was like the most use application on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:55   computer started to become the web browser but web browsers were so bad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:59   the harbour so primitive and that there was no RAM so just 1997 just sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:03   hard drives grinding as everything just swamps constantly that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:07   entire year just swapping for a year and waiting for dialogue yes but that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:15   things that you just could not imagine explaining to your kids today would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:22   the dialog dialog is impossible you can't explain slow internet but directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:27   so much as I remember being I can remember when I eventually I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:34   eventually eventually broke down and bought a second phone line got a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:37   number just for internet but I remember it just you know and I understand this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:43   stuff and I was able to set up a thing prob a blank on the software but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:49   by a great IndyMac developer named Peter Siddle take a moment and he had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:57   great Mac utility that would let you share a dialogue with multiple Macs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:03   your local network so both get on the internet at the same time and she could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:08   just she didn't have the modem modem hooked up to my machine she could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   get on the internet go check email and then you know weight than 90 seconds for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:17   the whole thing but then she'd have internet just one modem shared between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20   us and we could both be on at the same time was unhurt a game-changer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:26   awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:27   this is where I need I need the forum that you guys have the live audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:32   somebody would I don't know this is pretty obscure but I just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:39   Peter Siddle as ice Cheal sustainable Softworks and you see what I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:45   remember the name of it but I'll give you a you give a shout out to it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:49   still got a URL such works as you as he works dot com nice to have to I we only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:57   had one for my house I was I was like in 7th grade and in 1997 so the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:03   couldn't buy a new phone will have one phone line and my mom had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:07   friends call her time and and so I was not allowed to disable call waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:14   I had to end it wasn't external modem so anybody yeah I had I had to listen I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:22   to leave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:22   you could you could figure the modem and its string to leave the speaker on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:26   the time is at a turning off after connects so the whole time just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:30   listening to static like and you could hear it call waiting came in and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:37   listened for that and if I heard a beep the modem also hang up immediately and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:41   let the phone ring and pick it up and you know then just not be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   internet for the next 20 minutes during the phone call I've got it here its IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:49   network router to complete IP router and firewall solution including a built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:53   DHCP server not with inbound port mapping and IP filtering to set up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:58   own firewall thing cost like 40 bucks here is a common forms are so is 89 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:04   bucks it was a steal it was 89 bucks and you had superpowers but now I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:12   advanced functionality and like a pretty men's network stack for that time well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:16   that was it was built on I'm going way out of weed here but Mac OS 94 as crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:24   convoluted you know terrible bag of wires it wasn't some areas under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:30   hood had some amazing stuff he was called Open Transport was the networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:35   stack so he didn't necessarily write the whole networking stack all the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:39   the bottom it was built on open transport but his stuff is almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:43   like the flagship of wide-open transport was great and why a lot of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:50   developers were beside themselves when Pakistan you next working forget that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2210">TS</a>]

00:37:02   there's a whole controversy in that you know they're all these many thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:06   these little me convert controversies between classic the which parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:11   classic Mac OS would stand which pad parts of next upwards day and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:15   one of them I can't feel very lucky that I didn't even come to the Mac until 10 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:22   in 2004 I and I bought aluminum PowerBook so I didn't come to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:29   until it was awesome that's actually a good point but it's like somebody coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:34   to the iPhone with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:34   us know your views miss this whole history of like a little bit rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:39   patches here and there was way easier being a macro in the nineties had there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:44   were a couple of years in there where it was and it really do is the early years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:49   of during fireball exactly around 2002 2003 but when I started but maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:55   count 2001 where Mac OS nine was have awesome in half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2275">TS</a>]

00:38:02   terrible and Pakistan was half Terrebonne have awesome and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:07   maybe those percentages route sixty forty 40 60 and then they got 55 an 8th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:11   you know they shifted over time but it took years for Mac OS 10 to really be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:16   overwhelmingly yeah you know what I just want to use it all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:20   clearly and so switching I remember for a while I had two machines at my desk I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:27   don't forget where I was running Mac OS town was a PowerBook running Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:31   and old really old Power Mac running Mac OS 9 any older machine running Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:39   nine of course beltway faster oh yeah is doing way let's yeah I mean a Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:44   to their credit like the nineties that they had a similar scale of transit well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:49   not so much that they had a much easier transition but it was still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   substantial transition between the Windows 95 98 any kernel and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:57   anti-crime that put that power 2000 and XP and everything after XP and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:02   was I was using it heavily during that transition and I was like I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:06   using that the beta of Windows 2000 and it was way more stable than 98 yea even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:12   though the very first beta of it in late February 1989 was way way more stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:17   than Windows 98 and but you know it was easier back then to go through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:23   transition because Microsoft Office always mediocre like it was to give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:27   to their credit they were consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:30   applets and it sounds like they would have some some amazing times then some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   terrible times whereas Microsoft was always impressively mediocre it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:37   you could counter the mediocrity it was it was the Starbucks and McDonald's of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:40   of computer operating systems and I would argue probably still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:45   and it's actually kind of valuable for other people to know what you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   to get its dependable and the transition from 98 to 2000 was not that bad unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:59   you had to scan and print anything and there were no drivers but besides that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   if you if you didn't have to scatter print it was actually really easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:06   transition yeah I think that was the basic idea of other than go to Mt even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   earlier cos I even I actually had to use Windows in some ways I can college when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:14   I had jobs and stuff where people used the first time I saw windows and T I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:21   don't know the version number was but it was before 2020 443 I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:27   number that has a number two to match Windows 324 a believer was 94 2025 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:35   it doesn't matter and I remember asking like the guys you know a lot more into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:40   the PC side of why is everybody using this is actually like you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:45   still ugh yeah that was it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   95 was 2094 was the one that that looks like wood 9574 that i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:55   and use it had some experience with I was like this is you know I still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58   it's kind of gross design wise but technically this is so far superior why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:02   isn't everybody's in this and then they were like there's no drivers for it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:06   was like what does she say there's an easy way to solve this shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   everybody just switch to this and then everybody will read drivers for it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:15   mean transitions are hard I know it's not but it just seems crazy to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   they were in active development for so many years and the PC road is I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:22   don't know it's probably better now I'm not sure I have been out of it too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25   but you actually couldn't count on the drivers for almost anything like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:29   upgraded your version of Windows you would probably almost certainly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:34   have to get a new scanner at least like some of your hardware would just stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:37   working reliably or at all because they wouldn't have any driver or they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:42   put out a new beta driver then go out of business or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:45   scanners and printers were some of the worst and I like it like the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:51   specialized your hardware peripherals were the worst they would be like I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:57   a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:57   gamepads I wanted to play emulators about these gamepads and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:03   always the absolute worst and so you could almost be sure that any any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:07   hardware anytime you upgrade your Windows OS you have to also spend maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:12   200 bucks upgrading some of your hardware because just just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:16   drivers you get you have to replace perfectly working hard we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:19   because there wouldn't be drivers anymore or they wouldn't be workable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:22   more crazy Days and and that's one of the reasons why Microsoft had to jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:27   through hoops for backward compatibility all that crap because that was the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:31   they were operating in that was like the hardware environment they're operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   and where they they couldn't just dictate to people you know whatever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   now using this so you have to catch up you know the way Apple does that today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   Microsoft could not do that in in the nineties and I didn't even know they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:44   do it they probably still can't do it all right let me jump in here in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:49   minutes of the show sponsored break and remind everybody about our good friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:54   at connected data makers of I'll transporter right I use this analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2574">TS</a>]

00:43:02   every time I talk about these guys it's like your own private Dropbox you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:06   the device or you buy multiple devices they come to your house they have hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:11   drives in them or you look hard drives up to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   you put on your local network they're right there in your house and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   office wherever you want but they're in your control and install the software on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:23   your Mac to get little folder on your Mac like Dropbox and it stinks and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:28   those files in the folder they are stored on your transporter device and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:33   you can share between multiple people you can share between multiple devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:37   multiple places you can hold more than one of them up but the basic idea is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:42   have sync between computers through the cloud but not stored on servers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:50   cloud their stored on devices that you own and control maybe that's just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:55   your own peace of mind because you're interested in the privacy implications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   of that maybe it's because you have legal reasons that you actually can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:02   store things on devices that you don't control for hipper things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:07   they have an iOS app and is it new fairly new iOS app for the iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:12   iPad been updated as a prequel feature where does things like upload all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:17   photos and videos from your camera roll right to a special folder on transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:21   for safekeeping so you want to it again if that's one of the things you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:26   wanna do is have a cloud-based effectively cloud-based backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:32   automatically if your photos so that if something happens to your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:35   you know you've got them automatically somewhere else but you don't want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:40   somewhere else to be a server in california who knows where controlled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:46   some big corporation that might have the NSA tapping it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:51   transporter can do that for you really great stuff if any of that kills you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:56   check them out where you go if you go to www.sedar.com filed transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2696">TS</a>]

00:45:06   store.com and have two deals for us to save 10% you can save up to 35 bucks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:13   any of the regular transporter models by using the code pts 10 the talk show 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:20   pts 10 they have 500 gigabyte one terabyte to Parab terabyte capacities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:26   save 10% big bucks or come on by the little things the little things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:31   pockets of the transporters think same functionality but what you do with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:36   one instead of having a hard drive built into it you just hope any USB Drive up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:41   to it so if you already have big USB driver couple of them sitting around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:45   can get a cheaper device smaller device and just hope your own drive up to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:49   you can save 20 bucks on one of those by using the code pts 10 TDS 22 wanna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:59   the little sink pts 10 if you wanna get the big regular transporter and anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:05   who uses those codes gets free shipping check them out of file transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08   store.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:12   were we talking about we're talking about overcast for before the detour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:16   into old Windows and Mac horrible days of the late nineties and using computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:20   I don't know how that happened I was terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23   entire computer industry was in middle school middle school always sucks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:27   everybody and it's not for the computer industry and that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:30   that's a pretty good analogy it really was and the worst of your personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:34   comes out Apple AAPL win in this guy you know smoking pot thinking they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:43   write a universal today that halogen thing with IBM like I Apple had had was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:50   riding multiple operating systems that never actually came to exist there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:54   cope one and they did the whole Newton thing which was an affair wasn't a bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2814">TS</a>]

00:47:00   but obviously you know wasn't hit and therefore didn't know they took their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:05   eyes off the ball less that thing that was actually keeping the company around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:08   they let it languish and then Microsoft man it's just really got bad but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:16   that's enough that I do think it's amusing that the biggest Apple news this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:19   week is probably the IBM thing and you choose to have me on I am probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:25   least qualified person in the world to comment on that in any fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:29   whatsoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:30   next to me let's go let's save it let's go dead student who's at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:34   week I had a couple more programming questions so bent on me that status when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:40   I told me on the show he wanted to know how hard the audio programming was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:44   because he said it sounds like it would be hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   sounds like it would be hard for him and knowing just some of the trickery that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:52   you're implementing that it's even harder to question how hard was audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:57   programming and you had no background in audio programming before you get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:01   this cracked entirely true I I did a project in college where I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:06   trying to make a better lossless compression algorithm like flack and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:11   know those this kind of also owns my project in college failed because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:16   compression on that I wrote took like 10 hours to compress one file and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:20   resulting files actually larger than the input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:23   so it was not a success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:27   my idea for for how I can lastly compress them was not a good idea turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:32   out I reminder when I was in college and I was taking computer science courses is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:38   mid nineties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:42   9196 everybody was rating rate racers great racers warlike maybe there's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:49   a common thing but man I was nowhere near good enough to even try but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:53   remember that the kids I knew they were getting like like one frame a day I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2933">TS</a>]

00:49:01   this unbelievably slow and the district had no idea how to improve it and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:08   like despondent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:11   it's so slow that we can't even figure out why it's slow when I was writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:15   this thing in 2003 about the same number of people cared then as now about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:22   lossless audio encoding which was about five and I don't even use like I'm an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:28   audio file I love high quality audio I have all sorts of ridiculous equipment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:33   to listen to high quality audio but I don't even use lossless audio files even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:38   if that is even make sense for me to have those giant files have been like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:43   256 k mp3 well encoded sounds just as good to me I can tell the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:46   although it was it was ridiculous back anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:51   compression in general though his heart whether it's lossy los list because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:55   you're still focused on quality and mean you know even if you're writing lossy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/2995">TS</a>]

00:50:00   compression you know JPEG or something like that you still don't say it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:04   like you can disregard quality right and it's just mathematically it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:09   really mind-bending I mean to me and these oh yeah I mean once you get past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:14   very elementary forms of compression the Mets on that and it's all a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:19   complicated difficult to understand map that is far beyond my comprehension most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:25   of the time or like I'm I understand the general concept but I certainly couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:29   implemented or do it myself a one on one level deeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:33   impression that anybody can understand it's like well if there's like WinZip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   does yeah if there's there's sixteen ones in a row you could just write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:42   down a 1600 say that they're sixteen ones and that takes your space than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   sixteen actual ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   well guess what that does exactly that's that's called orally and that was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:53   Windows 3.1 you know fifteen twenty years ago he's very obvious repeated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:58   patterns that works actually but that's that's why give has such wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:04   compression that Twitter reimplemented this is it before letting them see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:11   cat pictures are some people I don't have anybody doesn't know that Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:18   added quote unquote added support for animated gifs couple of weeks ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:23   that somebody figured out that they're not actually animated gifs they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   sending out its 264 video and then I saw people who are upset about this and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:32   like what there's a reason they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:35   264 video files are like 10 times smaller than the gaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:40   I wrote that give processor and Tumblr it's dealing with gifts is a ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:45   pain in the ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:46   it's a terrible format it for so many reasons and you know not least of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:52   is that it isn't very efficient compression but it for so many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:56   reasons like it has the fixed 206 color palette which is really limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3116">TS</a>]

00:52:02   soul-crushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   thats and those colors I don't think those clothes can change between frames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:09   of an almost certain that I don't think so I don't think between friends so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:15   would be very surprised if that terrible format right back to the nineties you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:23   know but there is that whole debate when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   started trying to enforce the patent don't give it was a patented and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:33   do anything with it and why they didn't do anything with it you know the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36   the world wide web grew up with tons and tons of GIF files and then all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:40   sudden somebody we have a patent on that it's a canonical example of of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:50   submarine Yeah Yeah right why you should never trust a company that says hey yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:58   I remember that the sub current of the whole argument about what we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:02   replace it with and what are we gonna do blah blah blah was doing all this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:06   replace an offer truly awful file format and you can find people who complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:11   about JPEG and that other other format at the time for photographs you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:17   know the broad that jpg plays that there were better alternatives that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:22   have been done better and certainly is but nobody really says jpg is terrible i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:26   mean jpg jpeg jpg like it mp3 mp3 is a very old format it stands for MPEG 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:39   layer 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:40   like MPEG 1 files are I believe from the late eighties I mean it was a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:46   before they are commonplace but late eighties early nineties I believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   when I pick one became a standard and became playable and like bad is when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:55   mp3 format like it's from that era jpg is not from that much later than that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3235">TS</a>]

00:54:00   think it's also from the very early nineties and and it was a while before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:04   it was you know fast enough the computers could display them very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:08   quickly but now and there are better for me that there there was from JPEG 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:13   that no one ever uses and I believe there were some patent issues with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:17   which is one of the reasons why but you know jpg is good enough gift has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:22   horrible just horrible for billions get there and the estimates for how many GIF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:28   files that were unlike the early internet but it was quickly went from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:31   like hundreds to billions when they're back now I actually this is like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:35   bellbottoms moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:36   we're like it like this this this thing that was like a weird fad fifteen years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:41   ago twenty years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   fifteen years ago that thing that this thing was a weird fed back then now its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:48   back and all of us who were around back then likewise aspect of this is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:52   it's the fashion has come back around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:55   definitely definitely bellbottoms yeah but it's used in a way that is there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3295">TS</a>]

00:55:02   little bit of retro to it but a lot of tweezers not because the gifts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:06   people personalities huge animated ones with lots of frames from video and TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:10   and stuff like that are so humongous that computers in the mid nineties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:16   Internet connections in the mid-nineties couldn't even handle one of them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:20   three men's figure like imagine the concept of a three Meg gif in 1997 used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:28   to try to make I forget the target for web pages but it you know a lot of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:33   viewed in part of your project specs for building web sites where what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:37   target size for the web page and it was always measured in kilobytes you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:41   how many seconds but it takes a load over 56 K modem or somewhere between for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:46   most projects I worked on it was used like 1020 kilobytes for the whole page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:50   all asset right that would take a few seconds to load the actual question i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3350">TS</a>]

00:56:01   three megabyte give Milan the middle of the debate right i mean if if you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:07   look without something running out of memory crashing while decoding it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:10   unlikely but difficult even load it would take in 45 minutes to lip I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:15   think if I'm remembering correctly identified here I could be I could be my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:20   rocker but I seem to recall that like early hosting account if you are hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:28   a website somewhere like storage and bandwidth were measured in megabytes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:34   gotta know how many like you know you you couldn't serve up a couple hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:39   copies of it three megabyte file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:45   people just crap now for free service that all your privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:51   all right back to audio programs he did have some experience and yeah and I i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:57   i've liked it here and there was a complete failure yet experience was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:02   awful but yeah I got the basic concept of the samples and the frames and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:08   format and everything and i've i've always been an audio nerd so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:13   always been familiar with editing audio in basic forms playing with it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:19   I i've i've music and and talk radio has been very important to me and so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:25   always kind of been in this anyway so the audio programming and overcast was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:32   by far my favorite part and it was ridiculously hard but it was it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:38   kind of good hard for a programmer which is like a with its very intellectually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:42   stimulating and so it was it exactly what I love to do which is working at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:46   very low level C code doing stuff that you don't think we'll be possible to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:51   quickly and you know it's questionable whether it will run on an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:56   reasonable speed and battery drain you know doing very little stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3476">TS</a>]

00:58:02   using things that you know try to make even more efficient try to take an even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   better trick to get this way you know throw in some of the vector algorithms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   and stuff like that that it was it was a very very fun part if that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:14   and it wouldn't take that much time you know relative to the entire rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:20   app the audio engine it's it's actually easier in in many ways because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:27   self-contained and and what it's doing it's a relatively simple task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:31   attest it's easy to benchmark it's easy to find bugs and fix them where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:38   if you compare that to like you I programming or sink logic to the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:42   like those things are much higher level code there's much more code to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:48   sort of stuff in total for the whole app and it's much harder to test as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:54   all these weird edge cases you could really was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:57   it isn't that way if you have a stream of numbers coming in and you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:01   better three members and their some buffering she could take care of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:05   performances you can take care of it and you know some cases here there but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:09   nowhere near the level of of like possibility complexity that programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:15   interface is I think it helps that you're an audio file in fact I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:21   know that it would have worked that way otherwise cause I'm not I'm a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:24   anti audiophile I just wanna hear I don't know I'm round I should die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:29   because I do care about quality but my threshold for what sounds good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:33   seems a lot lower than than people who you know who are really into headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:38   and stuff like that like like my line up twenty pairs of headphones and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:43   say there's a decent chance I might find that they are sound pretty good if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:48   know they're all costs 60 70 80 bucks or above and I would have a harder time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:54   talking about the differences if I did hear a difference between the 2 I'd have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:58   a harder time describing right right and I think that helps cause I would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:03   most people I wonder you know maybe you know this maybe you can even tell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:07   if I were gonna write a podcast app or are going to be part of a team knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:12   writing one my idea would be well why would just let the system had led iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:16   handle the audio playback we get that there's a part we get for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:20   given the system and audio format that core idea knows how to play and then to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:26   play it and we're not worried about that and then start from there and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:32   that you know clearly that would rule out a whole bunch of the features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:36   are in overcast yeah I mean the biggest one like you can do voice boost using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:43   the simpler API's it is not you can't do it very well but you can do it there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:48   few little downside but most people would notice it be fine you definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:53   cannot do smart speed in any reasonable approachable way and so I had to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3653">TS</a>]

01:01:00   if I wanted smart speed and it was an important feature for me that I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:05   was worth it you know and and and the reality is just like the audio engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:10   was very very hard for about you know a few weeks or a month maybe and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:15   was done in the rest of the app was was the rest of the development time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:19   haven't touched the audio processing code and months because it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:23   finally I made it over the course of like I go every once in a while and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:27   a little tweak to like how some things done with their the levels or the EQ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:31   stuff like that but for the most part it has barely changed in almost two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:37   since I wrote it so those are the two bike magic here just make this better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:43   features in an overcast smart speed and voice boost and I i think of them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:50   their the audio equivalent of like that magic one thing in the photos out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:54   exactly right and you say just make it better and a lot of times for me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:58   button makes the photo better and in every once in a while it doesn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:02   then you can't happen again it goes away and just like that with podcast for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:06   can say turn on smart speed and if you think this is battered this is easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:10   way to listen to the show keep it on if not exactly and there are some shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:16   where one or both options like to make it sound worse and that's why there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:20   buttons for those incidents being on hold but I found the majority of show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:25   that listen to the combination of both of them usually make it sound better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:30   what was the deal that I remember this really interesting thread on the beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:33   Glassport about the names of those features and early on but the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:42   voice boost had a different name right I think it's just a boost early on voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:49   boost was not on or off there were there were three modes to it there are four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:55   modes there was off Martin prosecuting there was enhance and then boost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3775">TS</a>]

01:03:02   also reduce yeah was was a mode that would actually cut off the spectrum on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:07   the extreme highs and extreme low so it would like if somebody sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:11   have a podcast where it's like way too much base and if you play it like in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:15   bathroom or something like it it sounds really echo in horrible and it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:19   listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:20   some of them also will leave in like very very high pitched wines as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:26   artifact of some part of their processing and added I never quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:29   figured out what causes that but some podcast will have that occasionally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:32   this has been true for years way before and so reduce mode would cut the ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:37   off and then enhance and boost both did the same thing just boost did it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:44   severely boost was a larger and so I had this this latter reduce costs enhance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:51   boost and that was true for about half of the beta really always confused as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:58   hell by the time I i kinda just wanted I really just wanted Marco just make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:04   sound better for me right and that was that was a common request actually end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:09   and what I when I eventually found what I realize that even myself I was leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:14   everything on boost on time but I wasn't using any of the other settings I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:18   thought I would I made them and it turns out I was not using them at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:21   yeah and so that's when I rear screen to just be just a button is on or off it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:28   sounds like it's also a real interesting difference between where you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:33   podcasts and it's like it seems like this read to the boys booster in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:36   particular really comes in handy to people who listen in their car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:40   yeah definitely that's and that's why I made it because I listen all the time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:43   my car i i i I got a new car couple years ago and it came with a Sirius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:48   radio and probably like you know a six-month trial version I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   activated it i've only listen to podcast now I I used to listen to the satellite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:56   radio before that I would listen to like mp3's and CDs and everything now in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3896">TS</a>]

01:05:00   car I'm always listening to either either nothing like talking to tiff or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:05   if I'm running alone usually it's always podcasts that's it and make some massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:11   difference in the car right environment and yet to noisy environments to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:15   baseline for where you need the quietest voice on the show to be audible is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:21   potentially dangerously high for like a burst of laughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:25   somebody else's was recorded at a higher level right you know if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:29   somebody was very polite and soft-spoken like Brent you know I used his his old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:35   show as an example the show called with the counter guy with his brothers i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:43   yeah yeah you that show a hundo that's good how he was like a loud boisterous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:51   voice and brentwood was soft-spoken very well at first cuz they you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:56   were when they first are the show they were they were in the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   producing podcasts and get better at it afterwards but I used to use the earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:02   episodes as a test for this feature because it was the perfect case where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:06   wanted to hear what brent was saying without having met your blown out when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:10   Michael would talk and so it was it was exactly the situation where voice was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:16   necessary so what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   its combination of an EQ compressor and the compressor and it looks the father a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:24   couple of ways but for the most part the compressor that that's that most of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   you're hearing is the compressor and and and that was the exact word-for-word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:32   make bread loud enough so I can hear him in the car without blowing up my ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:37   when anyone else yeah there's like an old record producer adage that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:42   you don't you don't optimized music album for high-quality studio headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:50   you optimize it for the actual way that people in real-world listen to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:54   music which might be you know ten twenty years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   you know a piece of crap portable radio you want to make sure it sounds good on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4017">TS</a>]

01:07:02   that because that's where it you know that doesn't sound good on that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:05   never gonna hit song no matter how good it sounds on your you know thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:09   dollars studio headphones exactly gotta optimized for the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:13   yeah that's true its Web Design Lab design one more question I had I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:19   surprised brent is I was for his feet parsing a nightmare for podcast is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:25   as bad as RSS because you know first of all podcasts or just simpler than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:33   entirety of RSS feeds you know the internet RSS feed first of all includes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:37   Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38   and four different versions of RSS and and the the use cases for RSS feeds are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:44   very varied there's all sorts of things it isn't just a site like Engadget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:49   posting news headlines there is all sorts of things publish RSS feeds that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:53   that any feed parser has to handle podcasts have two things going for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:58   not only are it is the scope of what they cover much smaller than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:03   because for the most part its audio shows that are produced you know once a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:08   day once a week maybe that the most extreme ones my people was once an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:11   from radio station but there's no not much more than that and you know usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:17   it's pretty pretty well formed for the most part in the end the second big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:21   thing is that for all of the medium's history iTunes has been the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:25   player and historically it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:28   iTunes less picky now but before it in previous years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:32   iTunes used to be very picky about what kind of feeds it would accept if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:36   steve is malformed all items wouldn't take it and so it kind of enforced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:42   level of consistency in quality even even a format iTunes for the for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:47   longest time only supported RSS it did you support and it still doesn't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:51   it that well right yeah exactly does support at him but not well as I looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:56   into that when I had to take over the field for the show and my back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4136">TS</a>]

01:09:01   publishing stuff is all set up for Adam or at least a would work better without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:06   him in theory and the bottom line was you could but you don't want to if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:11   really want you really want your podcast RSS exactly actual RSS not RSS as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:18   catch-all term that includes a time which is raising an atom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:22   I I know this is like a holy war of 2003 I really don't like adam has a format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:29   RSS was clearly designed to be pragmatic and Adam was designed to be the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:38   that ends all standards can reproduce anything that shows you know it it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:43   in the complexity of these two formats and and adam has a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:46   ambiguity in like ok well there seventeen different ways to represent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:50   the date and you need to support all these people may use this one and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:53   what the heck is an author does everything have an author about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:56   houses other relevant to the other author and there's everything in Adam is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4196">TS</a>]

01:10:02   well it depends you know there's like seventeen different ways to do it and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:06   RSS you know it isn't a perfect format there there are some cuties built in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:10   format that are kind of annoying like the lack of required you ideas for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:13   instance but for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:17   RSS you know as its name states is way simpler just to deal with to publish and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:24   to consume it is so much simply because the format just can't represent all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:29   little train nuances that Adam can and a disease as a flaw I still has a future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:34   yeah I totally agree in hindsight and who knows maybe someday I'll just change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:39   everything in turn fireball to go RSS instead of Adam but for some reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:43   picked the wrong side back then and I somehow convince myself that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:48   think I could have bought into the store that does sound good arguments behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:56   the atom people I mean I never got involved in wasn't really active but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4256">TS</a>]

01:11:01   know reg remarked programs blog back then and couple other people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:05   involved in it all made a lot of sense to me and there were certain aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:08   it that if you if you rendered a very simple feed-in Adam it looked better to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:14   me than RSS and still doesn't weigh like I'm not thinking about it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:18   perspective of someone writing a parser and you have to handle everything I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:21   thinking of it in terms of what would make my the daring fireball feed look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:27   better if you just looked at it and I still think Adam is better in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:31   regard but that's a stupid thing to make the judgment on I think I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:36   smarter way to look at it is just say RSS is super pragmatic and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:41   designed from the get go for doing exactly and only what I was doing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:46   was here as well as opposed to like here we have to be to design an overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:52   standard that will encompass every possible thing ever want to do again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:55   yeah it's it's an atom was also you know a lot more strict with certain thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:59   things and it's it's almost like a parallel between X 60 ml ml five or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:07   gmail being our says you know it was more structured more defined but way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:13   more complex and it sounded good in theory but in practice it just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:17   really work that well and it's it's actually more complicated to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:21   in practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:21   RSS thing went by really quickly and just a handful years whereas the HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:26   things played out over almost 20 years but I think it is pretty I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:32   a pretty decent high-level analogy and in in that analogy I think RSS 2.0 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:37   html5 which is yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39   RSS and there had weird numbers of like point nine and point nine 1.92 in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:46   weird thing was that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:47   point nine one was from netscape and Dave Winer had nothing to do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:51   point nine to back to the minor and ignored everything that was 1.91 it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:56   really a sequel 2.90 and I'm getting his version numbers wrong but it doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4376">TS</a>]

01:13:01   doesn't matter that I'm getting the exact version numbers wrong it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:04   brent was literally ground zero for all of that yes he was like right all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:09   partners and generators for all these things and and to be clear what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:13   talking about us i'm talking bout RSS to the earlier ones the RDF based ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:17   after what we went but that was the battle though right that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:20   internet with a text HTML never really was pitted against HTML for it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:25   really pitted against 805 I mean even though the time they weren't at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:30   time effectively it was well the world's gonna move off HTML for eventually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:36   you know the standards people you know really thought it was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:43   exchanged email because of my god it's gonna be great little enforce that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:47   of your web pages or XML complain because of its not it won't render [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:51   everything everything was like structure and this is a battle that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:55   computing has gone back and forth in this in cycles for decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:59   it was a battle for like structure and definitions and schemas and well-defined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:04   everything and extremely unforgiving implementations versus you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:09   forgiving flexible just can't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11   you something out of will try to figure out what it is and the same the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:15   thing is happening now with like Objective C vs swift even mean it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:19   that we keep having the same battle over and over again where you know somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:23   will want you know there'll be some kind of class of problems that academic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:30   people will try to see will think needs to be solved and the way to solve it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:34   to require standards of everything can be strictly typed and and you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:39   can validate everything and everything has to be defined in a file and rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:43   everything in Java with 10 men with 10 class deep hierarchies of every model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:48   this isn't this isn't just a personal me to have a person factory constructor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:52   construct the factory that builds people and they all just like these levels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:55   levels of complexity and structure to combat the freeform loud west of dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4495">TS</a>]

01:15:02   data you know and then the dirty dirty people come into everything faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:05   everything has worked anyway and then the cycle repeats again it I'm I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:11   we're gonna always see the cycle just go back and forth and I was not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:15   get into this and this could be this could absolutely sank the entire US one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:22   now I mean have you seen this thing or there's this group that wants to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:25   marked down into an IETF standard it let me guess jeff Atwood I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:32   you know last weekend I was out of town with Amy and wasn't paying attention and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:39   I've been busy this week on other stuff haven't even paid attention to it but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:43   dont have associated with that Woods crusade or not and there's talk from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:51   some people and the funny thing is they're doing it on a mailing list that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:53   I still host and I haven't participate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:56   in years and I don't know why but I still holds the markdown discuss mailing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4556">TS</a>]

01:16:02   list and there's people saying that they should just take the name mark down for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:06   me because I've been to tell as a steward of it and whatever meanwhile you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:13   know there's the web pages on my site for markdown with describing the syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:18   and everything are more popular every single day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:22   more popular the market I could actually I thought about selling a sponsorship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:26   just for markdown alone because it's more popular the markdown pages enduring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:30   fireball get more traffic than during fireball did as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:34   when I went professional would you could you could get like you know web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:39   development kind of advertising through that too like it's a different market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:42   right that's exactly why a job or just although I do actually think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:49   the traffic is not coming from web developers is coming from people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:54   using a new site that has switched to mark down as the format you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4614">TS</a>]

01:17:02   anyway long story I could go on forever about this but to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:05   markdowns not successful despite not being a standard and and and etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:13   etcetera all that won't tell but because of that now is possible that it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:18   better off if there were some kind of spec that could you know if there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:22   suspected implementers could implement for some things and you know maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:29   wanna get to deepen this but there's some ideas and some work that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:34   people have done that really interesting in that regard because 99.999% of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:39   wouldn't have to worry about it and it wouldn't change things but some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:44   things that people see as a problem like the fact that different markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:47   implementations are slightly different is not a problem it's actually you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:51   that actually a good thing because then get home which has my opinion a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:56   flavor of markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:57   they even call it and have a great name for a perfect name called get hugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4677">TS</a>]

01:18:01   flavored markdown and it is exactly suited for get home users and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:05   code a little differently because no shit get her abusers are writing a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:11   of you know code blocks and it would not an end almost none of the changes would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:18   make sense for markdown everywhere so you know it's great people see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:25   world's broken regarding mark down because there's not one true mark down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:28   and meanwhile the real world everybody's happy writing yeah I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:35   I doesn't doesn't seem like it's a problem that needs to really be solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:39   exactly and you know I think I think there's a stamp there's a tendency for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:45   programmers to want to clean up standards and and and formalized things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:50   like that and in many cases that is warranted but I I think saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:56   everything has to be a standard is like saying open always wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   exactly like you know that that is true sometimes but it is not a generalization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:03   that cold all the time and I don't know I mean maybe there are things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:09   should be standardized but it seems like Martin has gotten along just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:12   without that and it's moving along fine and you're right that you know different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:16   implementations will have different needs and it is it is not wise to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:22   cram all these specialty needs into one standard that everybody must follow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:27   the name and everything its version than yesterday how well does it support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   Martin 2.0 or not and it's it's kind of a mess I don't know if it's a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:34   problem to solve but I wouldn't assume that he standards body is necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:40   the right solution to this problem I would almost certainly say this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:44   absolutely not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46   well of course you would say they're trying to fire you but I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:53   I think that the success of markdown despite not having a standards body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:57   behind it all this time is the biggest evidence why it probably doesn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:02   one right exactly and you know part of what it meant lets it get by without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:06   aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:07   and you know I like it better in some ways there are there's things that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:12   be clarified and there's things that make mark down very hard for example the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:15   right syntax coloring description for because of ambiguities there stands the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:21   general assumption with marked on the thing that that the reason why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:24   doesn't have a speckle I think it probably shouldn't is the general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:27   assumption is that whoever is writing it knows what they're doing and isn't going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:31   to put in put random gibberish and there's all sorts of problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:36   people are talking about as well what if you put seven asterisks in a row what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:40   that generate while don't do that that's my answer I don't know what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:44   generates generate a bunch of empty tags or strong tags I don't know just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:50   like why would you do that you know check what it looks like before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:55   publish it and ABC always forgot that if I put a bunch of asterisks there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4855">TS</a>]

01:21:00   mean something and markdown I should back / escaping just take a look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:05   it could be better I'm not trying to brush aside all criticism of it and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:11   that there is nothing I could do better answers I thought maybe I should Wade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:14   take a couple of weeks and way back in and clean up some things but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:18   what markdown needs from me would be like a version I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:22   official version 1.0 one should do like a 1.02 or at most like a 1.1 yeah maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:32   a 1.1 there's no need for Martin to point out and there's no need for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:37   standard respect but people get really worked up about what if they just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:41   their own thing and give it another name and see if it catches on exactly thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:44   I've said that that's like I probably should set up a text expander make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:50   your own thing and see if it catches on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52   yeah because it might and then then fine problem solved then you have your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:55   thing that you control it has a different name and find you got it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4915">TS</a>]

01:22:01   we'll see how that goes it's it's either going to peter out or it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:05   thing that I'm going to have to take a little more public and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:09   you know and be like no you cannot take them and I i do have an ISO bucks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:15   that and I have a lot of people who are probably gonna be on my side of this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:18   then everybody will remember him talking to mark about that on his podcast couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:22   weeks an even trade market may be well I probably should try and that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:30   it probably is not worth it on way be harder because it's a general it's a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:34   know getting a regular word even though the pine involved in the name i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:38   rather clever but I don't know might be hard cuz its edition 1 I'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:44   trademark lawyer filed for a number of trademarks now so I'm familiar with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:48   process and understand you can you could almost definitely trade market it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:56   doesn't matter that you haven't yet it doesn't matter that it's out there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4976">TS</a>]

01:23:00   know the Fed is it still your thing your project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   generic term that describes all things like this it is still a specific thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:08   that you made and you could just make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:13   this is a very common thing I hear people talking incorrectly about podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:17   all the time they assumes a trademark is is universally unique name right when in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:23   fact when you file for a trademark you have to you have to file for it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:26   certain relatively narrow categories and the more broadly you want that trademark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:31   to apply the harder it is to get and is it possible to get more broadly there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:37   might be someone else that's too close to you so like so you know like I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:41   file for overcast Street mark within the parameters of a website that does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:48   lets people search and find him play podcasts and also a mobile application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:52   with people search and find and play podcast and audio files and you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:56   have to have to be that specific and and and and the more than ordinary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5036">TS</a>]

01:24:02   overcast as a word it's an English dictionary word but I still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   trademark pending on it looks like it's going to go through just fine and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:09   are other trademarks are the word that are in different industries and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   fine too and so you are trademarks are are limited to a certain scope and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:17   you make it scoped narrow enough you can trade market want anything that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20   like getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:21   Twitter account name that's impossible every time it comes up where someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:26   like oh yeah I want to recover this abandoned him on Twitter every time this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:31   comes up there's like three people who are like oh I know a guy that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:36   just email this person and every time if anyone else does it they can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:40   anymore the process has now changed it is now more strict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   sorry can't do it I think there might have been some loosey-goosey early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:46   where you can get in 2009 you could still get claimed but they can put our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:55   name but I don't know I think for obvious reasons that order I have at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5095">TS</a>]

01:25:01   markdown I don't think I've ever posted but I do have that you know this I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:06   I talked about this in the show but it was years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   who want to buy it from me know Glenn Beck show right-wing talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:18   personality Glenn Beck does he have a show with that name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:22   he started says he got involved in some kind of like an overstock.com competitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:32   price markdowns like Groupon or something I went and looked at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:40   tried to figure out what the hell was I was just like now so I just got emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:44   from them that they wanted to make a very serious offer about the Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:48   account and I just never answered him that that is that is really true I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:54   couldn't live with myself if i dont wanna hear the number I don't think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:58   lot of in that big anyway I really down I don't think it would have been an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:02   offer that I couldn't refuse but I was afraid that it would be an offer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:06   couldn't refuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   on the other hand it would be nice to take a whole lot of clamtxt money I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:12   don't know if there's something about that I thought of that too that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:17   have been nice to you know buy a new car with Glenn Beck's money but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:20   I don't know there's some of that but anyway he wanted to buy but I think his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:26   whole thing fell apart anyway now it is marked down is not even remembered I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:31   think anybody remember do you remember him i dont know cuz he's not on TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:37   anymore I still pops up on the politics I treat everyone so you can actually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:42   actually read politics I can I like politics make me so angry like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:46   every political news thing I've ever read it just made me angry so I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:50   tried to avoid as much as I used to be really into it when I did another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:53   enormous decoration but circa 2002 and I thought you know what I've gotta start a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:58   blog and it was maybe it wasn't quite fifty-fifty and no in hindsight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:02   everybody's gonna say come on but it felt closer to fifty 50 me whether I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:07   would write about tact and etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:10   politics and etcetera and I thought well maybe I'll start during fireball one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:16   first which I always knew it would be the name of this one and I thought maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:22   I started second blog even have a name for it but I won't I can't say whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:25   this where I would write about politics but it's just to me it's not that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:31   me angry anymore it just bores me aboard the same story time everyone's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:38   screwed these people are being bribed or being bought by lobbyists and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:43   this common people are getting screwed even further and everything just sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:47   there's no hope and say that's basically it if you if you boil it down it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:51   basically whatever political story is and yeah I think if I had been alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:56   been born a few decades earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5276">TS</a>]

01:28:00   seemed like a columnist typewriter in the seventies or eighties I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:05   would have been about politics aside he was so much more interesting than and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:09   know there's a lot of a lot of the some of the problems are exactly the same in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:12   the partisanship and stuff but it wasn't the money wasn't is as corrosive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:18   wasn't so much that there was really all just about business you know it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:22   was more you know the partisanship was actually interesting and kind of fun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:26   write about I just think it's funny also that you know you and I have a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:31   problem you have a to a larger scale because your audience is much larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:34   than mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:35   we have a similar problem in that we say things that are opinionated about topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:41   that shouldn't be emotionally charged but for many people they are and we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:47   a lot of crap from people who are like unreasonably surprisingly angry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:54   some statement we make about like a phone I can't even imagine what it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:59   take in your mind to think that it'd be a good idea to enter political writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:03   as an additional thing that you did from that point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:07   yeah and when I dabbled in it on during fireball it's you know i i dont mind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:13   criticism but it was enormous it was it peaked in 2008 with the Sarah Palin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:18   thing because I couldn't i couldn't hold my tongue so clear that the woman was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:22   you know borderline mentally disabled I mean real real real problem and she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:31   a scary time when it appeared that like there was a very good chance like most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:37   people today who weren't voting are paying attention in 2008 don't realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:41   that like there was a very good chance Sarah Palin is going to be president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:45   right as you know mccain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:46   counselor now but I'm looking at McCain saying he's not in great health he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:50   pretty old he was like one of the oldest people to run for president and well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:54   there is a tremendous and I think well grounded fear that the polling numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:58   might be severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5398">TS</a>]

01:29:58   might be severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   nearly off because there are an awful lot of people who wouldn't want to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:03   pollsters that they wouldn't vote for the black guy but right when they go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:07   a in the privacy of the voting booth would be there was a very real chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:12   that McCain and Palin gonna win and and that and because of McCain's age and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:17   health there is a good chance he might not make it a first for eight years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:21   that she might become president were really like non-trivial possibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:25   and when I try to better man people with certain subset of people would just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:30   not and it was funny some of them were clearly themselves very low IQ but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:35   others were not others were you know but that you know there because that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:39   side and and they'd say you know if she was a democrat you never know if she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:43   if that part of my politics are certainly not conservative but I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:48   you know if if if true moron ran on Democratic ticket I would do the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:55   thing like it's way more dangerous way more dangerous I I prefer to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5455">TS</a>]

01:31:00   Democrat in the White House Republican I do but I would much rather have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:07   republican of reasonable intelligent Nomura democrat and they don't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:15   when the democrats sell out the public at least try to do it quietly and and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:20   subtle and more subtle ways that are they're less likely be traced back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:23   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:24   the republicans have have learned that they can sell at the public in public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:28   like you know brashly they can they can just they can do things that seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:35   ridiculous 22 thinking people but they can get away with it because no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:41   cares it's just that the public does not give a crap and so they just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:47   they can do the democrats give us the illusion that they are they have in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:54   which of course they don't but at least think about that illusion and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:58   mark Owens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   proving in the email I'll get in the coming seven days exactly why I made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:04   right choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:05   totally know and I i think i think its best floor for you and I to keep doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:11   what we already do with this issue which is like for truly important issues blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:17   about them on our tech blogs because if you know if we if either of us had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:22   political blog the only people who would really be able to agree with us or NDA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:28   be there be occasional drive by trolls who wanted to yell at us but we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:32   anything and so i think i think you can make more of a difference for a cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5552">TS</a>]

01:32:38   you care about my not usually being political and choosing occasional times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:43   where it's worth it to be and then you kind of tricks on people who don't agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:46   with you into seeing that opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:48   here's the thing I keep thinking when I look back I think that I wish that our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:52   system works it up in a way that it would be a lot easier for whoever won [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:56   the last election to get whatever shit done that they want and if it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5576">TS</a>]

01:33:01   to be unpopular they're gonna get voted out and whoever comes in next can undo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:06   it I think there should be a lot more of that whereas we've got a system now word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:12   it's like nothing happens right like 11 majors exaggerating to some extent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:19   really only one major thing has happened since Obama was elected president which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:24   is health care reform and look at how well that like everyone keeps trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxswjuQ/5604">TS</a>]

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