00:00:00 ◼ ► all right back to the worst episode ever to be four hours look it up soon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► it's summertime I need long denied to a two-parter with you last time yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/9">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► think we're incapable of making one's under two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/16">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► well maybe we'll do that again I wanted to talk about custom fonts and conquer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► and overcast and you're using a phone called concourse by Matthew Broderick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/23">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► love it great fanfare as I remember talking to you about this fun got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/32">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► been a year ago I remember you just like running up the flagpole hey what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/37">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► think about this I was like oh my god that is beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/44">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► yeah I went about about last summer you about a year ago I was looking at tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/49">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► of funs forever cast looking at various intervals funds with Instapaper I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/54">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► all using I was using almost all serif fonts for all the reading faces there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/58">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► were some sans-serif 10 more popular but I was like the seraphs ones better when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► they were largely on my bed everything they did it felt like sheriff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► somehow the proper solution for reading text it should be in serifs because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/71">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► tariffs are old and fancy and coming out like print yeah exactly I got burnt out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/77">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► on them and whenever I would do something with a serif font I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/84">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► always think it should look better but then it didn't actually look better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/90">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► it didn't work as well on screens for it looked good big but not small or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► something like that like there was that there were problems with saris in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/99">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► practice I i burned out on them so I was looking at good sans-serif interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/104">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► funds for overcast and the problem of sensor is that there aren't that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/107">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► distinct styles that are generalizable to look good enough interface as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/113">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► investment maybe this is a terrible statement but that's not how I said no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/118">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► think it's true well I also think that and another end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/123">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► it is there's an awful lot of them that are all that are really good finds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/129">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► really good I like but they're too close to Helvetica to justify not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/134">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► like an uncanny valley situation specifically given Iowa s like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/140">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► general world if you want to use Franklin Gothic instead or you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/146">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► use universe which is a great great Helvetica ish find great fantastic fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/153">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► but in the context of iOS where Helvetica is the ubiquitous ever-present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/160">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► to fall if your gonna you something different as you be different enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► that it's all yet different exactly when there's an awful lot that a rule that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/170">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► exactly and I i tons of ants from big and small founders and designers and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/176">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► had a problem with many of them that it was like you know this is just too close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► to love it just looks kinda weird not being disclosed so I looked at a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/186">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► what what I liked about concourse the most was that it was narrow and and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/194">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► by not by a massive amount it doesn't look like a condensed version of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► following among a lot of fun to have condensed variants or even a compressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► for the Super condensed very content very condensed altered narrower and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/210">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► concourse is narrower without looking like an arrow font and what that allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/216">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► me to do is fit more characters on a lie and for it for an afternoon news to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/222">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► used primarily on iPhones we're ahead to display lots of like one line titles for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► things that is actually a really nice feature to have it makes it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► less likely you're gonna have to put ellipses in there and truncated career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► and even if you do you'll at least get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► or a little bit more the actual title in rallies get like one or two more words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► that end and it had a great balance on screen of size vs weight and it came in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/247">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► it comes in like nine different weights and it also has awesome small-caps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/254">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► variant would use its effect on my favorite little things in concourse yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/259">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► says the guy who got a small campus option into a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/265">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► you know protects it and they gave me like that the pairing of of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/271">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► know full full regular text as like you know medium medium weight regular text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/280">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► as a body and title font and then a dinner usually lighter in color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/286">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► small-caps fund for like a caption fund or the subtitle and then using it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/292">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► buttons and and the links like that I I found a combination early on and I liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/297">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► it so much and it works so well for interface to have like that like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/302">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► like to get the two different styles of conservative from roles and have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/306">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► paired nicely on screen together I think it works you know it it fits naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/310">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► with what is clearly your taste and interfaces and your personal style and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/315">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► think you know and I think you probably agree with me that I was seven has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/322">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► very good for you personally has an app developer who does the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/326">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► yourself for the most part and and that asterisk in one quick second but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/332">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► like a one one man show you did the development of the back end and you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/340">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► the the interface and you know that some of the stuff that was expected free iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/345">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► 7 in a nap was things that you couldn't do you know the stuff that has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/352">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► textures and materials III am NOT a graphical artist friend so I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/359">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► Instapaper maybe got away with it and was a good app for you to do with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/365">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► your abilities as designer because it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► know literally just the tax it was all about the text but there's other ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/373">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► we're maybe instead papers circa you know 2009 2010 maybe should have not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/377">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► a while you're reading but why you weren't reading should have had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► exactly where as I was 7 really plays into the skill sets that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/390">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► yeah I mean I I was seven was extremely lucky for me because like this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► shift happened that that departed from all the things I couldn't do myself all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/402">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► these like heavily textured heavily graphically themed apps from from 6 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/407">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► earlier by six it was fading out so early from 5 and earlier all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/412">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► lifestyle it very quickly and then what was brought in was this this visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/417">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► language that I could do myself and I was not expecting that at all I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/423">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► very happy because otherwise like the magazine design with a lot of help from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/428">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► Pacific home and she was a very simple Appin and design work in a number in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/434">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► thousands of dollars to have a professional designer helping in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► overcast would have been probably easily tens of thousands of dollars worth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/446">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► design work and also to take it Lautner so we know what is more expensive and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/452">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► would have had to have to keep going back and forth with the designer to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► out some of these things and the whole president even more complicated more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► expensive long are you know it it just would have been harder for me and and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/465">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► able to do it all myself is so valuable as I can tweak things immediately I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/471">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► I can visualize something my home just do it I can see how things look I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► play with it and then I can do it all myself and at all costs me nothing set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/481">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► you know kind of getting for free in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/486">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► personality I think clearly it does you know one of the reasons why I never went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► the whole full textured iOS 5 after out is that that was really my thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► wasn't my style I would use the absence of that but I was never that into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► style whereas this style this is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/502">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► me this is and it's just so happens that what I like and what I can do just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/506">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► became fashionable year ago the one thing you do get help on the here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► asterisk from a couple seconds ago was the app icon right right and that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/517">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► the tower inside the circles and that was a Lua Mantia Pacific yeah yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/522">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► Pacific home / Louie Mantia yeah yeah and it's great I love the icon I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/530">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► that the icons are got everybody will have an opinion on an icon and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/536">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► love them that this was this was my question is to me this is such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/542">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► icon and it does everything and i cant do where it's recognizable its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/549">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► distinctive it gives it a brand that does all these things happen also think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/555">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► that it's just an attractive shade of orange I like it I've always been a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► of orange if ever there was an icon that might be beyond you know I can sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/565">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► maybe this was it but you're saying it's not ok most people love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/573">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► however I'm hearing from all the ones who don't I'm here to do which is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► people love it but there's there's a handful of people who are like extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► offended by it like I i you know i nothing at all been books on you but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► like I've never cared about icons that strongly like yeah I mean I will notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/593">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► about I conference at but I'm not going to like make my usage decision based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/599">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► which one has the best icon that I don't like I I would rather have a good app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/604">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► icons off I think people people who have opinions on apps in general and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/608">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► want to express their opinions will often I icons the app icon gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► disproportionate share of that feedback right like you said it cause it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/619">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► probably is like if you really had to use a beautiful great app that had what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/625">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► that's the best problem I could happen this app right you know if the app has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/631">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► you know it's like ok well yeah you can control it a little bit but who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► really yeah it's ideally you know we have a great name and memorable name you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► know but if it has allowed to name it is seems like it so much better than having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/649">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► deep problems with the software itself but yet I can't get all this feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and I think it's because it's just so neatly encapsulated and so petty that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/658">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► just draws you know it's like the old adage about politics in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/665">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► University's Woodrow Wilson said that being president at State Treasurer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► being president at princeton because politics there is just so meaningless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/679">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► worse something like that and the icon here like I I almost didn't use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/684">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► icon I went back and forth and and i i think it's easy to it's easier to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/693">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► probably get angry at modern app icon for iOS 7 because I S seven totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/700">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► change what icons are supposed to look like and the new styles is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/706">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► polarizing the old-style ever was and so the new style a lot of the rigs you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/712">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► for a new app icon is rage against the iOS 7 general aesthetic for icons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/717">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► what this icon did thanks to Louie Louie is is is one of the people who like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/724">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► he knows which rules to break and when to break them and and that's unusual and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/731">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► it's one of those designer I actually think that it could've it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► translate very well to the old world like if you if we took the SAT back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► time two years you have to redo the whole app interface but you could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► this icon and examine just a little bit of 3d shading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/751">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► around the edges or something like that but yeah and I like this iconic what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/754">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► like about like Louie was really was interested in about using the white as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► the inner color at as that circle the intercooler and then having this black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/764">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► outline that look good in the shape like its most Iowa 7 icons have like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/767">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► fewer color basically and end this like it Louise Louise try this out and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► you know that actually looks really nice now I want to do even further first if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► you look at the the overcast FM Twitter account that artwork is why I asked me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/785">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► to take this icon and make something that might make a good like podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/792">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► album art background so I can be shown as the default album art for some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► didn't have art and I liked it so much that for a while and for beta 1 this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/800">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► the app icon and USL hated it and then and you can but but like I even like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/807">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► like doing things that are mostly conforming to style so it looks good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/814">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► just like putting someone there is a bit with some part of it is oftentimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► that's what makes it good and so we did it with like having the white dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/823">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► color and having this black outline around around the inner shape I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/828">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► have pushed even further if I was totally unchecked by reason and logic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► and then you know i i try try this like fiery textured version of the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/837">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► a little bit in the background i mean as the beta 1 icon and and everyone hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/841">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► except me and so I changed it back to bed soon as I can ok actually write this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/847">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► does look better having billion I don't think he hates not fair I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► everybody I think everybody was just like you're not trust me this is like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/853">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► i work best in an environment like that where I am able to try crazy things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/861">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► I have some people who can like get me a little bit and say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► actually you know that that's a little bit far gotta pick your battles and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► think part of what makes somebody had beta tester is whether they know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/873">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► pick their battles and therefore in other words that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/877">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► they're only gonna be adamant about things they genuinely feel adamant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/880">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► and they're gonna tell tell offered suggestions or I wish hey I wish this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► were like this but if they don't feel that strongly about it and you disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/888">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► they just let it go and no but that can they won't give up there and keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► sending that feedback they won't get on their feelings won't be hurt because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► took one of the things the wrong way but I would do that I would if you if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► option choices for the icon were one that was good and one that was bad dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/904">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► I would have written you privately and said you know made my case for the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► whereas if you had picked this icon I would I would have given you my two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► cents I think the other one better and if you disagreed that I would have never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► yeah but I probably would have brought it up on this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► like alternately like I'm I'm glad I tried this other icon because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► pushing that boundary so I gotta keep it up you can't leave take it off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► Twitter account for a couple of weeks shows green i mean i i like it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/938">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► Twitter as a little bit more personality two more things i wanna talk about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/945">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► long it took you to make the appt sounds like it took from your do right by Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/950">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► dorigo took about 14 months with maybe a little bit of work that you done before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► yet the audio engineer prototype earlier than that about you have you know spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► you said spring 2013 and you shipped in the App Store this week in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/964">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► July 2014 yes about about 14 months yeah so I'll tell you this and I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/968">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► i'm not buttering up because you're my friend because you're on my show one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/973">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► the things I really liked best about this app is it to me it feels like a 2.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► it does not feel like a 1.0 app and in many ways that's because of the beta is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► like like what I think what I shipped for beta one was like a 1.5 yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/986">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► maybe it did was a remarkably productive beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/992">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► that is true but even then it was polish afterwards though and to me it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/996">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► again it's Vesper colored eyes were we shipped first after a couple of months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► without sink and then spend the majority of this year today overwhelmingly doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► sink and then you know another way to put it is that you know maybe Vesper 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1014">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► wouldn't really ship until last month when we ship the virtually sink and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► had a version that was usable and I don't regret it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► none of us regret it but it never really it wasn't it clearly wasn't complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► without some kind of online saying and i also think it's interesting that it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► about the same amount of time you know somewhere a little bit over a year to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► ship a good app hasn't online sink companion to it may be for me but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► that streaming yeah maybe maybe but I don't know there's a certain you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► you could have shipped a podcast kinda didn't have the online component that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► was more like a lot of other ones you know just ship it sooner and have it do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► it and you could have shipped version that didn't have the custom audio stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► just let help you manage your podcast but didn't have the custom audio stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► first item evict you you picked off two or three really difficult things the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► custom audio engine and the complete online version that I i to me it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► that it feels like it clearly must have taken over here I don't think you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► feel like you were late I know you get you give yourself a hard time that back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► in September you thought you were six months away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► I thought you out of your mind when you said that xoxo I think she's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► psycho ship for two years and it's you know I it's a number 1 I'm very proud of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► what I shipped and I'm very happy with how it went number two though I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► shipping this into an extremely mature market and so over the last 24 hours I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► have heard so many people who are who are very happy with it but I've also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► who who expect a lot more because if it doesn't matter that's a 1.0 it matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► that are shaping a podcast after the iOS App Store in 2014 and then the bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► raised into a market full of these years old apps and although actually castro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► only one year old roughly and castro is one of the most popular apps for iOS oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► yeah I'll bet it's also even more disproportionately popular with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► listeners of the show it's a great app almost certainly is a fantastic app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of people listening to talk right now are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► using either overcast or Castro probably castro first cos if only because its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► older and overcast because everybody read my sights on early adopter it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► very possible and and you know and I like castro because castro and I are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► really don't think are competing for the same people I think it's there are two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► very different takes on a nap it's it's a terrific forced to eat but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► get city's two very different styles different set of priorities so different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► features closer to one of the other I i dont really see them as like a cutthroat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► competitor for the same people I see as both doing two very different takes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► the same problem that are going to appeal to mostly non overlapping circles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► of people and the other thing you did that i think is pretty nice and I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► I've never seen it before those you've got a section is it in the settings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► the About screen so you settings where it's so great and so Marco and whisking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► wiska said to me the other day privately because he thinks it's gonna take by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► next year everybody's gonna have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► release everybody in our circle you have a section you're like hey overcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► not for you try these other great apps and you've got a list of five other iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► podcasting apps I think it's five castro downcast cast party catcher Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1250">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► randomized the order yet every time the screen loads it shows in a random order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► so there's no alphabetical bias and there's no I have no right no friendship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► bias but here is five apps that you might want to try this app is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► meeting your needs is as a podcast app and it's great and it's part of the GFDL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► it's genius is is somewhere out there there's marketing somebody with a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► marketing title capital and marketing background who's joking right now this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► isn't saying that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► never why would you ever you know you there's no thing on the back of a can a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► coke that says don't like the taste try Pepsi and with it and and instructions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► for the nearest way to go dry wood is the quickest way to go try a Pepsi but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► think absurd different right it's like you're showing it to people who already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► have the app on their phone right you've got them right if you if if the app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1314">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► you've got them they've they've downloaded the app they've put it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► phone and even checking out the setting if you aren't making them happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► why not show them the other apps yet and that was kind of that was kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► rationale there was like you know I'm not going to pretend like there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► other ads in this category that's you know that that doesn't that's a stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► and I'm not gonna pretend like I'm different Pakistan the App Store and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► I think it's a way to to help everyone it helps them potentially by by getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► themselves and it helps me by by making people respect me and my apt even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► and and there's no downside to this the fact is if you want to try every one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► his podcast apps are spending less than 20 books you know it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► I'm not talking about major investments huge lock in like I know as we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1373">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► about how these different expectation of people have a protest outside how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► want things to behave I know as a user of these things as a listener podcasts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► know that you know that certain apps will just hit you and certain ones just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► won't and I don't want someone abusing my apt they hate it you know i i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► want to force them to use my apt if there's a better one out there and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► you know I'd rather I'd rather you be happy like I've with Instapaper I talk a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► little bit this week so I won't be two overlapping here but with Instapaper by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► the time I sold it I was in about half of the money from the optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► subscription which was a dollar a month and you got almost nothing for it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► advertise it that way it was it was mostly a way to guys like you know give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► me more money if you feel like it was basically it and to be making almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► half their income from that is crazy and I was way more than I ever expected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► the reason that work was because over time I had built up a surplus of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► goodwill among my customers by giving them free updates all the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► everything and you know but just by giving them more than giving the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► value than what they spend on the app I built up a surplus of goodwill and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► and put up a thing saying he can give me more money if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► many of them did and so I feel like you know like goodwill is something you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► monetize that sad that sounds awful I know but like it if you put it on better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► terms like it will be returned to you like it comes around and not endear not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► completely not everyone's gonna give you money for nothing but but a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► portion of it more than you have you think will come around and so being good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► to people is an important part of a business model it's it's in addition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► being a nice cool thing to do it's also smart that is the only way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► approach it with any kind of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► long-term and my long-term I have trouble thinking more than five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► five years to me seems like a long way off but it's almost certain that I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► stalking me writing during fireball probably still doing the show you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► probably still working with David Brandt on something some maps Q branch you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► maybe Vesper will be not done but but you know move aside to the next appt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► tomorrow but the only so many ways of doing business they're not thinking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► maybe even five years ahead right because it's a you're gonna burn through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► good will write you can't you can't last long at all while you're burning through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► good well I think and exactness and it's you know it's just a short sighted let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► just burned through good well for 18 months and then see if somebody will buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► us because we have a lot of users mentality is another question and sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► of related to last is pricing and I know that you spent a lot of time thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► about this and you've come up with the app is free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► there's only one version of it it's you just get it downloaded for free you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► use it you can use it forever for free you pay that online in a purchase its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► right now it's 499 that's it you buy that and it unlocks a bunch of cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► features I I thought about so many different models I at various times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► the last like you know six months to a year I have I've been mentally committed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► to a pay what you want model with multiple buckets that you know you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► pay something anything and if you pay anything at all I get you all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► features but you can pay like three different levels right now thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► the same thing with subscriptions same thing with revisions but named pledges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► NPR terminology public radio terminology because this is about podcasting you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► be a pledging member maybe that make more people do it who knows a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► free with ads free with Squarespace advertising in inside the app sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► stuff like that and I i came up with relatively towards the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► development is very subtle on this it was a very recent decision I just came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► up with this because I realized like the more complicated and make it the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► people gonna do it and and the more headaches I will have dealing with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► support headaches in a customer expectations not much what they're what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► they're getting stuff like that just was not it was not gonna be worth complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► five bucks and a purchase on locks limits period a very simple old model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► your iOS release but a simple model that would give me the most flexibility to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► do things in the future like I can I can make it a webcam and form so that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► who can't use in-app purchases for whatever reason can can use the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► version by at their stuff like that and it's easy to support and it's clear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► the customers what they're getting and what they're paying for and when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► were paying how much you paying any any kind of subscription ordination type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► model it becomes less clear people ok what am I paying for how much will I be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► charged is forever or just for a year or what and when you do it without thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► much in summer 2014 and always sunny summer 2015 when you're charged again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► reminded you know bioassay however the magnetic and why is this thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► haven't used this app in Lemont why is it trying to charge me and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► give you so yeah it's so at this method was just way easier for everybody for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► and for the customers and I think that these will result in better sales there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► was this heyday I mean we've talked about it you and i talked about on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► and other shows we've all talked about everybody is involved in India apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► generals talked about it in the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► App Store world where yes we've been exposed to a massive market especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► for those of us who are no match before way bigger than we ever could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► imagined before and now it's getting to the point where maybe it's even as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► in terms of people as as even windows was as a market size in terms of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► which is amazing and it's a great opportunity and we've destroyed the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► thing that we've found before that worked as a way to get people to buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► which was to let you try the app for free and then pay for it if you want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► I feel like you've used this in a purchase to be able to me it's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► thought about it he announced you know how I'm going to charge for it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► thought about it I was like it seems very very obvious this seems like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► is the way to go you get lots of people it to try it with no risk and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► they like it they will buy it cause I thought that you know it seemed like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► good line you drew what you get when you pay for it because you know seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► no brainer to me it's hard to know it's hard for any app to know where that line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► you know and I don't know that drawn the right lines surly time will tell people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► people are nuts about the whole cup of coffee thing you know my god I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► believe you want to this dance anthems cup of coffee but there's this weird I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► don't think it's that crazy though there's a weird psychological thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► where you somehow don't even want to pay $1 I do it I spend dollar willingly here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► there to buy new apps to see what they look like but I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► a liar I don't look at software the way normal people do I think it's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► normal that people see $0.99 before they even get to see if the app really works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► on your phone as as a risk and they want to take it and there's a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► factors here that that they know make the coffee analogy not work and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► part of it is like people have been burned a lot in the past by bad acts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► they've paid for an app that was not as good as I wanted or didn't do it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► thought it would and then they get out that money I mean you can you can email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► apple and request a refund but most people don't even know that you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► that let alone how to do that and they would actually go through with it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► know so so for the most part yours out of this money and so that's that's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► even even on platforms refunds are easier and I think Windows Phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► still the easiest Windows Phone makes it really pretty easy to initiate a refund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and it goes through I forget what the time period is an hour or day but let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► just say it's an hour you download that you pay for an app you downloaded you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► load on her phone and you don't like it you just go back to the App Store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► selling a refund and the Papas removed from your phone and the developer never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► gets the money it's almost like it like the transaction doesn't even happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► right and I do think I think it would be great if Apple implemented that but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► this point you know they haven't already I don't think they ever are but i dont I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► still don't think that would get people over the hump I don't think it would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► much I think it would be it would be better than not having it at all but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► don't think it would get people over that psychological harm of giving over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► $1 before they even try the app right I mean I wouldn't do that on the Mac like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► on the Mac where I live it's a different environment and we've had previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► expectations when something is available only in the Mac App Store for a paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► price and there is no trial right I probably won't buy it I expect a trial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► in the Mac because there have always been present a lot of time these apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► costs like 30 $57 it's very hard to justify spending 80 bucks on on a fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► app that you've never tried before that you can try when refunds are difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► you know it's a very hard thing to do paid web apps have never really become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► thing for various reasons they have like in in like certain verticals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► but knowledge a mass market right and i think that but what they have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► though is that they've still leave reinforce the idea that for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► that you see on your computer screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► you should be able to just check it out first and of course for a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► it's turned it into everything should just be free period for ever and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► a separate argument but I still think that the thing that made indeed software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► development possible on the Mac and had great so great I think the reason it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► so great on magazine you can still go to developers website and downloaded the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► demo exactly even if you eventually do go to the absurd about it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► different but iOS and Android the reason why the coffee analogy does not work as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► you can say well you know you you would spend $3 and coffee without thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► about it that's true but there aren't people giving away coffee that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2033">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► good for free every single street corner Starbucks made every coffee free yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► every on every street corner you could walk out of any building anywhere or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► your house on the corner the street there are people giving away pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► coffee for free all the time like then it would be harder to be a coffee shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► the charges for coffee like it it isn't about the amount of money it's about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► competition and alternatives and the fact is there's so many apps there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► many apps that it doesn't matter that you're charging only a few dollars up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► front the fact is there's 10 free ones right next to you in the App Store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► people just pick those same thing applies to the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► you know it's the reason why pay balls on the web don't often do very well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► because there's just tons of alternatives that are all free and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► firehouse doing you a favor by reading your site on someone else's site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► it's terrible but that's that's the reality and you're in that like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► now and it's to see if you could go read something they are not as interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► but it's only two clicks away or you can read the thing you're interested in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► you've gotta take out your credit card until informed forget it you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► the big problem I have a wall spaces that right now at this moment even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► you've got in your backyard had to me maybe this month I will sign up for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► New York Times paywall maybe but in the meantime at any given moment when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► just looking for something to read you just gonna keep clicking into somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► gives you something a little different with that but anyway I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► free app and then pay for differentially I don't know pay for it to unlock the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► rest of the features not the did some overcast as the first have to do it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► way but I think it played perfectly and I think it's probably gonna be I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► we're going to see a lot more that I hope so I mean I wish I give us more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► options regarding this matter doesn't work for all apps like certain apps it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► very hard to know where to draw that line of ok what do you offer free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► what do you charge for because you know certain things like it it works well for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► like games for instance you can lick you can give away the first few levels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► have additional levels for purchase or you can do things with like oh you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► get a power up that you only have to unlock the game to get this power up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► stuff like that you can do but think about the calculator like what you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► charge for the nine button like how do you where do you draw that line a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► calculator like how true it's it's a hard thing it's a hard thing to do right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► and with all credits James Thompson peak out who I think every joke but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► doesn't work for Apple has it has a rule against time bomb demos like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► just say are you can try everything in the apt for a week and then it stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► working on this you pay you actually can't do that by policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► correct even for a lot of people know that I think developers know it but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► lot of people know that right and and and i think that rule I'm sure Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2214">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► well-intentioned when they made that rule but I think that rule holds back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► lot of a lot of link trial where ya their goal but I think I think it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► hierarchy of Apple's priorities where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► first second their users and third developers in that order and maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► irrelevant Apple so one is out to get better for users of the app doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► time bomb so therefore the abscam P time because it uses your noise when the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► that they've been using for the last 30 days suddenly stopped working I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► that you know and whatever extra money Apple would get from the 30% cut from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► the extra apps that would be sold if that was allowed because it does work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► that's the thing is I'm bombing you know done appropriately is a very effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► way for indie developers to get let people try a nap and then and then buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► yeah but it's an unfortunate that the first so many so many apps aware of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► is the best way to do it is the other problem is if you have something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► suppose you have a calculator app and there's some like you know certain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► special longer them button that most people don't need and you want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► that behind the wall so that only people who really need that will pay for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► will then most users won't pay for it then you have a very bad conversion rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► of free to paid but if you like you to be careful what you limit like somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► asked me on Twitter today I forget where it's all it's all a blur at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► somebody asked me they were angry at the limitation to put in place and they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► why don't you offer all features for free and just limit you to only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► subscribe to like five podcasts and I thought about that that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► options considered the reason why didn't do that is because when you set that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► limit first of all that would complicate things like if you only can listen to 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► podcasts what I do when you import european all file for twenty podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► this problem with that right hand if and you know right along that line if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► really important to me as a user that you can import my hundred podcast OPM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► file how could I know that that the app is even gonna work for me right exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► so so that's problem number one but the problem number two it used to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► careful what you do here because anything you put behind a paywall most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► people will try to find a reason to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► by not getting it they will they will try to stay on the free side and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► not need what's on the other side and so if I say limit 5 podcasts and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► will these discovery features a try to promote new podcasts and people stayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► far away from them because now they're now they have to pay ya like 10 I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► don't like then what I'm doing is I am discouraging people from trying out new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► podcasts that's a terrible thing to do why would I want to do this like so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► have to be very careful what you limit because whatever you limit your going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► then strongly discouraged people from crossing that limit so that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► limited things that are basically power user features that don't really have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► major downside that most if you don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► like I've limited number of playlists you only have one number of items in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► place in the top five like these are things looking up our usual care most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► people won't play back speeds and the effects and cellular downloads those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► all things that power users would like to do but the app is very functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► without them and so like that I i feel like those are safer limits put in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► and change all these next month if it doesn't work helped but I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► that's those like safer lines to draw then I'm going to make you not wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► listen to more podcasts in my podcast app that's terrible i mean take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► break this opportunity to thank our next sponsor our good friends at Harry's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► carries provides high quality men's shaving staff at a great price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► whole point is it's just before the founders were some of the founders of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Warby Parker their eyeglass companies same basic idea they looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► market they said hey everything on the market why is it so expensive why can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► we make good stuff in a way lower price same thing with shaving blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► and their half the price of the equivalent blades from Gillette or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► big company shake shake it out there was a person familiar with ya I was too I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► don't know why and that's what I can compare to his dad and it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► type of quality to me it just feels like a nice quality blade here's a seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► these guys take it this is what I level of the story that they bought their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► razor blade factory in Germany to the day could control the sharpness in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► strength of their blades are not just like white labeling generic razor blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► and putting them in a stylish package they tell you know really really control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► the quality and I love the design style of their stuff I don't think it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► cheaper than July I think it's actually better looking and Gillett to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► the the blade that I got the razor I got from from carries it looks to me like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► could be using in 20 years and it would look just as new and just a stylish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► whereas Gillette's you know like architecture or industrial design to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► it looks so trendy and it's you know like to take a look at the Transformers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► movies it looks like you know by next year it's gonna look like you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► it 2013 razor the price the price difference is truly truly significant i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► think is like two bucks to get a treat played with Harry's even less than $1 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► if you get the big pack yet to get the bend and Jill added you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► even in the Amazon is i three $54 and equality is there i i i use it you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► should switch to using Ryan yeah I've been using it for much of my show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► I'm almost through it I think we're more the handle is is amazing and the blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► I would say are probably I was on par with Gillette Fusion blades which my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► previous favorite and it at half the price you can't beat it handles the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► I was looking for when I was trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► choose between razor blade that you know they handle things take into it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► shaving heard everything I double the double edge safety razor blades from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Israel and everything adds this is good stuff it is not a joke anymore it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► just me telling you to go out there by this cheaper shavings I'm town yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► quality is there it's really good they're very very serious about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► really do like it better but just because it to me and I remember you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► this on the ATP this weekend there's like I have to the handle yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► it's very nicely weighted in a way that the disposables from joy and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► even the one that they don't call disposables they pretty much are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► like I feel that the Gillette one like it just needs 17 blue LEDs to complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► the aesthetic just it looks like a Transformers movie it's just it it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► very first droid ads and where they really liked a key masculine robot crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► did they actually had like to have like laser beams and weapons you always feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► like a laser coming I there's a trend and I love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► where I've been getting more sponsors like Harry's where they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► technology at all this isn't an app it's it's a real physical product and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► it's a great market because I feel like my show my website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► you know yours Marcos in an ATP it's it's not about tech really because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► there's mass-market tech sites that I think of a wildly different audience I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► think the audience that I have the you have this audience is more like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► who care about nice things including tax or maybe even a special attack but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► they really are interested in is nice things i'd rather have one nice thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► than 10 mediocre things and Harry's to me fit exactly in line but here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► thing where she going to typical drugs 30 choices that qualify for that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► go to here's what you do go to Harry's dot com 8 Arry s dot com use this promo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► code talk show and put the done there but that's not that's not hold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► against him just talk show TLK shw and you will get five bucks off your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► purchase I don't I can't see why anybody would do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► try it out and then not just sign up and use this stuff henceforth because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► cheaper and better how do you beat that even the size is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► boxes all the packaging is really what I think that when I first wanted to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► they sent me a handle and three blades have since reordered out of my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► pocket you know the the replacement blade anyone throw the empty box out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► from the first head of Leeds boxes but I have to but it's still badly they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► really you know twenty years from now you you know the crazy person with forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► years or twenty years of shaving cartridge box figure out what you put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► here everything looks like a small and a trapezoid let me I can put my screws in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► here right to me that's as good a side that's when I knew that it was the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► deal I knew as soon as I opened up the boxes I these guys got it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► on the other great thing I just had to one other thing and I actually thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► about this when you and I listened ATP this weekend and you know you did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► read for Harry's chipper blades to me one of the big differences in my life as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► I remember when when I was in college I first came in had to start shaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► didn't have money and I shaving blade forever for too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► what difference it made when I started a walk up and it's like you know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► don't use them that long if you pay less for them you'll you'll use them less and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► use of pressure one more often you don't have to actually a nice trick I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► back I was shaving heard there was like this one person kinda stuck with me from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► a guy who was like you can basically share however you want with every blade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► you can find as long as you use a new blade every single time and if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► played every single time you will like if you have sensitive skin which I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► like all those problems go away and I've never been that extreme because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► expensive usually especially in my years at Gillette owner manual 375 played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► usually it's it's expensive it seems wasteful through the way every time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► when the cost goes so dramatically down a bit of Harry is it becomes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► plausible and more practical to only keep the blade for like three or four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► shades and it's a nice difference with everybody have tried you know to to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► try to extract a month's worth of use out of a blade and if they're cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► you can do that I actually shave more often now that I can say that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► might even just say that the sponsor readers over I'm just saying that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► they are they're cream like I i've tried a lot of shaving cream i've been this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► cheap energy and and the one I found was the best for me was the program so green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► variant I would and I've tried many others trendy ones like the taylor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► Old Bond Street like all the fancy boutique ones I would say that Harry's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► cream for me was number two and really I've tried a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► did it didn't quite tough for me but it was really close and that's saying a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► it's nice and simple gets the job done nothing fancy it's not made a blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► blazer yes he looks very tasteful and modern looks like wood shavings and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► funny thing is to say since I visit their site recently now I'm seeing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► ads and all the Google AdSense boxes all over the internet as i browse and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► address so much more tasteful looking at the graphical banner version cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► Google Google said over the banners of course that's out the window now and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► now I'm seeing nice like trendy beautifully designed to Harry's ads all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► the websites they sit there and then I said so there you go you'll improve your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► ad viewing experience as well but anyway great product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► glad to have him on board and and you're not to be on trial I'm not doing you any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► favors trying to keep the show short well that's good cause I feel terrible I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► feel like I've taken a very busy man with a brand new app and have taken up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► eight hours of your Thursday night I believe in revenue in this than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► 1139 emails I believe it's about 45 more than three star who could we can measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► the length of the episode in how many to the overcast support mailbox yet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► just about midnight eastern time like I mean obviously these people aren't all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► in USA eastern time but like just let me get this straight you so you just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► email for support its just because it's just you right I i have in the league [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► with Instapaper I hired somebody to help me with support you did that did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► still use email or did you switch to some sort of online system for a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► would just give him an email address and given hosting and it just went to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► inbox just one guy and so that was that was fine and after a while he said about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► to try some of some of these tools are out recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► see if there are you ok sure so he tried to send you think was going with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► I have I just a few of these tools before and I i hear all of them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► everyone I've ever try to hit the one from the other guy who co-founded Stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► Overflow Joel and I i use that actually that was what time were used for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► time and I i hated it in different ways at least what's nice about that one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► it's free if you have a small team which is really nice I was six years ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► think it's probably is all of these products try to do too much in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► different ways there there are very few that are focused only on JustAnswer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► support emails and tweets that's all you really need even if you leave out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► tweets even if some else even if you do e-mail it that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► the problem is very hard for any of those things to actually be better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► email you know it email it is is a fairly old mature and very versatile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► tool you can do a lot with with just you may lend you a lot of things like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► the like i still email things to myself from my phone because it's easier than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► XY or Z or it works better or more robust or I can do the things I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► email for all the problems of which there are many all these problems it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► a really good generalist and so I so anyway so for now I'm just using email I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► in the future and emerging tech Texas pander to help a lot with some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► snippets like some of the comments does seem this is a known bug thank you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► my email signature it helps to have all that stuff be the helpful in helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► automated but I've never say I've never found one of these tools that if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► just one person obviously email has problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► skill to multiple people trying to address the same support in box then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► then then I I definitely just using something else it also is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► inconvenient if you hear from the same people a lot like the defense systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► don't they'll be able to bring up this person emailed you before the show their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► previous emails along with a sort of CRM type then yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► so you know if you have certain certain needs then you need something else but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► for just one person answering their own support in Van requests for an app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► you like I'm probably not like once all settles down i would i would estimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► I'll probably get fewer than 20 emails a day for it hopefully much fewer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► 2,500 I that's obviously a total blind guess I have no idea but I assume that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► going to be the level I'm talking about and so for that it's like he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► complexity of the system only worth it because these systems have you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► have these web interfaces that are slow and clunky I don't know I I'm a big fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► of native apps I like I like a lot about a devout and so just be able to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► already very fast at using his mail app not not anything fancy I've been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► my lap for years I know it extremely well I'm very fast and works everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► I don't have to like get us a different app for each device because you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► mail on my devices and so it's it's it's just easier in so many ways if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► just one person answering one inbox for when I was a bare bones and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► twelve thirteen years ago you know early nearly 2000 2002 2001 2002 and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► my job was did you know how pitching in and support you we did it all at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► time we did it all by IM app even those multiple murder but it worked for a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► reasons which was a the only people who had access to it we're we're all trusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► there wasn't anybody who was doing support email wasn't like a truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► trusted employee and be it was really simple system where nobody you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► everybody we just made topple folders for each of us you know John Rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► was was doing stuff Patrick and you would you know if your gonna do support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► you would just dig n go through the Mbox and drag any messages that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► gonna take to your inbox wasn't even an inbox me your box so your folder should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► almost always be empty except for maybe like one or two flag things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► were you know hey I need to I gotta go to I gotta go talk to rich about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► and get in the United can't answer that right I'm back now and say he'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► back to you later but I actually don't know the answer to that you know I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► keep it but did you know by the end of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► yours should be empty and then end then nobody would be double answering the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► same email from the impacts or something like that and that kind of system when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► you're in an environment where like it you know everyone's trusted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► everyone's like you know able to do they're able to treat it properly then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► and then everyone can use their own app and there's no like weird additional you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► know third party thing to an agreed and pay for and support and move with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► then my god awful when they go out of business and it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► email its problems it's really good a lot of things and and more importantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► it's good enough at a lot of things yet and I also like to you kind of know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► the customers guys see from you and you don't know exactly how they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► fun set up in their mail client ever but if you just write him an email you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► it's gonna look like you know all the other e-mail not gonna be some weird you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► know HTML formatted thing and it's not gonna have a whole bunch of auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► generated administrative stuff you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► to reply to this message please include this textin subject line is that correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► and you know make sure you write your entire reply above this line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► customer hostile experiences yeah they are you know they're writing to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► there your customer in your given him all these rules to follow about not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► changing the subject and make sure it makes for god sake make sure everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► you write as above this line and stuff like that you know just an email just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► text you go here's your answer I guess we should cover the news but I do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► last bunch of good friends at cover you guys know how ru summer they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► domain registrars that does not quite possibly the only one is the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► buy and manage domain names so when you have a great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► you want to get a domain name for it guess what really really hard because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► it's hard to find a good domain name because so many of them are taken cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► has some great tools for helping you find domain name that's available and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► that's gonna work with the name you have in mind whether it's trying other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► top-level domains or whether it's combining other things before the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► a demand to get something that you like they're gonna give you exactly what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► need to get the job done and you can trust them one that I gotta tell you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► maintain registers or so scam me in general that I have never trusted before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► I started using never trusted using their told to see if a name is available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► because I always suspected that half of them with just if I say hey is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► you know you know Marcos new car dot com available that they're going to register [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► and then hold it hostage to me because they was available but they know I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► it so they took it it's it's a it's a business that's full of opportunities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► for squeezing us I don't know if any domain registrars ever done something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► that scare me but the fact that occurred to me you know with however you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► trust these guys they've been in business for ever I mean I think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► all the way back to the nineties great reputation just search the web for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► people who use however say about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► customer service including what they called the white glove service the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► valley Valley transfers right they deserve what you do you sign up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► their customer and you have a domain name probably had a shitty registrar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► really you know that's not going to name names but you know it probably is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► really hard too tricky to transfer domains especially because most of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► are indigenous experts we can't really remember the exact step-by-step thing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► what you do and DNS is that thing that you can screw up you can screw it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3637">TS</a>]
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01:01:14 ◼ ► new thing that they're offering to give you a discount on domain renewals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► starting at just 10 domains so if you glad you're like me and like an idiot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► every time you a good idea for a domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3684">TS</a>]
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01:01:30 ◼ ► keep registering them but God forbid you let anybody else take over them they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► help you out with this discount on when or if you've got ten or more so what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3696">TS</a>]
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01:02:04 ◼ ► this week's promo code is IBM i be just type that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3724">TS</a>]
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01:02:45 ◼ ► for fans not yet but I'm sure the subcommittee the trend right now head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► over 200 . com see the full list of all these crazy new top-level domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► a great names are still available and are on sale through September 1st and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► use that code IBM and Dell know you came from here from my show where where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► talk about IBM every week like obviously that code is not used by anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► that's how irrelevant IBM as to the consumer web these days like that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► there is no incentives that could I wonder why I think that's part of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► had me so head-scratching about the whole iBM Apple news this week which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► guess is really the only news everything else going to talk about but not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► is why why why is it even Apple presenting this is such a big deal right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► because Apple put out of big press release and they made Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► available for a bunch of interviews you know which to me is the bigger sign that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► Apple thinks it's a big deal if Tim Cook is going to spend the day talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► CNBC and the Wall Street Journal and a bunch of other things a day of Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► Cook's time means it's important and I that's you know my thought in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► just one of those things where it's like it didn't instantly make any sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► didn't make sense but it didn't make sense to me why it was a big deal I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► think I mean I I don't know anything about the world of enterprise computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► and thank God for that because a little bit of texture and they're headed I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► very badly suited to it like I'm not saying it sucks I'm saying sucks for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► it probably does suck but anyway I think there's there's probably a lot of value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► in Apple making a big deal out of this in all the ways the consumers will never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► hear about or care about but that businesses will because the whole point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► of this is to try to try to push the iPhone and iOS platform more into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► business and make it make it kind of fight fight the notion that that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► played for a while which is this is like only for consumers or its its inferior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► for business purposes to things like blackberry you know they they're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► to fight that that perception and perception has been declining for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► while as iOS devices have been pushing to business anyway because people wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► them so badly and think they kind of are forced to adopt him in the end an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► got better with some of its enterprise stuff but ultimately the perception is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► I T managers at the iOS Apple stuff is not is not for business you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► not it's not ready for the enterprise or but you know what I think that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► I've said this before i of its kurung thing I come back to every couple months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► because something else will pop up its human beings are psychologically set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► to make first impressions difficult to break you know it's a cliche to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3952">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► and there you know when you have a job interview should do you know get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► stressed out and do all these things right and dress exactly right and answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► all the questions right now have a good and taking all these things but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► what it's one of those cliches that kinda true and I'm not saying it's fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► or tried but it matters and so people's and it matters not just for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► impressions of people but your impressions of everything and if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► first impression of Apple is that they're not for business and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► doesn't matter if it was set back in 1996 when it was almost literally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► completely different Apple it it still stands for some people today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► yeah definitely and a lot of the cprit managers of big companies yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► so true I think so I think that's exactly true and Tim Cook going around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► doing all these like BS interviews with business people about business things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► think it's all about attacking that it's all about like getting out there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► know a press release with what consumers gonna give crafted a press release to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► hear about it you know my pizza guy who asked about the time I get a pizza he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► reads like all the worst Apple rumor sites so he always ask me about all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► ridiculous like the most ridiculous possible things that are so ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► you won't even comment on them I get everything so it was pretty often I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► get asked about those things and you know he's never gonna hear about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► ever because it is so important to even consumers who are interested in Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► never gonna greater but the business community this will be like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► gonna be a white paper somewhere there's going to be like things the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► community needs like sources a year references oh well this is apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► going into business this is this is something that I T managers can show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► each other and the CAF and the CTO and the CEO above them like they can show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► each other and everyone here we should maybe consider those here some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► supporting documents to support this you know it it's all about placating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► needs of the business world in using their language and and their methods of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► of communicating tax even even at the enterprise level it moves fast but tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► moving fast at the enterprise level is a helluva lot slower than moves at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► consumer level yeah I'm pretty sure my bank 2012 right exists a perfect example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► like how many ATMs are crazy Windows systems Windows 98 base and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► the target the target hack was based on crazy old version of Windows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► they've still been rolling out and brand new Target stores you know decades later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► but it does it compare to the world at large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► still moves fast but it's it's easy to miss that caused it so much slower than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► the daily garage of tech news that it's easy to miss the trends until they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► already in the rearview mirror and I i kind of feel like what what Apple IBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► deal is showing is it sort of stage to the beginning of stage two of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► renaissance in the business market staged one was just getting iPhones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► iPads in at all and it said literally what they've bragged about for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► few years the percentage of Fortune 500 companies where iOS devices or use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► it's you know it's now it's up to like a ridiculous numbers like 98% but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► always been a conspicuous that they don't say how many are being used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► each one right times like they aren't officially supported like a lot of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► you know the devices have gotten into these companies reluctantly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► somebody in a position of power got an iPhone or iPad him aren't used to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► as the department but certainly want to supporters of the car is fine you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► CEO got an iPhone wants to use it we have to do this so we will support it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► and a half at minimal way but we're not going to let everyone do this I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► think that's without counting I think when apple says ninety percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► Fortune 500 is using a knife is using the iPhone I think that they they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► there I think Apple's honest enough today means that they on it they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► some kind of corporate relationship and apples enterprise you know sales people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► that that they can legitimately say that probably companies that big but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► think it necessarily translates to a high unit count or head count right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► mean just to pick one example of a company I know is must be in the Fortune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► 500 because they are the second biggest company will relax on you know so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► say it's doing acts on his part of that ninety percent doesn't mean there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► thousand people with iPhones on that big a deal because as you know tens and tens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► of thousands of boys I think that that stage one is just getting any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► relationship at all maybe it's just the sea level people maybe it's just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► the CEO one an iPhone so officially you know anybody who works in the CEO's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► office can use an iPhone but like the rank and file of tens of thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► people you know still you using whatever you know blackberries or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► that I think stage two is about getting that number bigger and Tim Cook kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► alluded to that one of his interviews that is that there's a huge that yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► we've got this huge number of Fortune 500 companies doing it but that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► tons of devices and various you know whether the phones PCs or whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► could be replaced with iOS devices and there's huge upside their numbers and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► yeah maybe I mean to some degree having like using iOS devices as my custom work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► terminals are like you like my UPS guy hands me some kind of crazy ass thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► sign digitally when I get a package delivered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► yeah and you know the idea of that someday being an iPhone and iPad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► actually have a hard time buying that because the characteristics that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► business is expected to do something like that they're going to expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► platform this highly customizable to examine their needs and stable and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► be easily bend over backwards to support them indefinitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► none of those things are Apple strong points or even Apple wanting to do those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► things like Apple is perfectly happy to like drop support for all things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► lockdown control all sorts of all sorts of that let them produce good devices as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► long as you fit within their needs but also tend to shut out corporate needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► like that yeah well I think that's though it potentially plays to Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4375">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► traditional strengths though where Apple is never been about selling all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► anything you know that they don't need you know that's where Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► always about microsoft wanted every single computing device in the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► building to be running some version of Windows whereas Apple I don't think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► going to shoot for that I don't know if Apple would say the UPS you still want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► to have all I mean how many ups ups guys the delivery guys I don't know probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► thirty forty thousand an idea though it's one of those terrible job interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► questions I i was gonna guess 25,000 so I know that's just a guess but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► that's a 25,000 I'm so let's say they have I don't know thirty thousand of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► those finer things because they want to have more of them than they have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► and they say you know what we don't really want to use iOS devices for XYZ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► reasons I think applet ok that sounds good you know but if you know what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► if every every manager at the depot centers where their dispatch was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► an iPhone and using an iPhone app custom iPhone app to manage whatever he does he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► does all day I think you know if that's all they got there would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► because it all upside for them because they never sold anything to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► companies could point you know that the only two places where you can see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► need for a $500 iPad you know but if it's possible that a $500 iPad would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► make sense for you and it totally makes sense that maybe for a UPS delivery guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► who's got a really physical job that have $500 device with a glass screen or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► even you know safire's green it doesn't make any sense you know it's durable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► enough and it's too expensive to replace one is broken but there are still all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► sorts of opportunities where an iOS device might make sense and never you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► know it's all upside for Apple because they never had anything no foothold in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► yeah I asked today I don't we saw you real busy today but I asked today while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► my Christmas question is yeah weird were Tim Cook said he uses an iPad for eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► percent of his work and ice which i think is you know I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► interesting and I kind of believe him I i guess i dont know that I'm sure he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► didn't scientifically measured have somebody fall around with a stopwatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► measuring how much the biggest red flag that sounds suspicious to me is text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► input like does he use a keyboard I doubt it I mean that would look very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► good you know how does he manage to text input as he just a lot of very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► responses to I would imagine the CEO I would imagine a big part of his job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► email I that's a good question I would think so too but maybe it needs to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► sent short email Steve Jobs century amounts you know I think Steve Jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► like his latter years an awful lot of the member when those emails does those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► MacRumors some random guy on the internet got an answer from Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► an awful lot of those in the last few years were had sent sent from my iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► yeah I'd say most of them actually did ya so steve Jobs was sending a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► email from his iPhone I don't know that it's it's ridiculous that Tim Cook is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► their I always thought as an aside I always thought it was very noble that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► Steve Jobs kept that the fall sick and his email which is terrible I but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► kind of makes sense that it would it would be Steve Jobs signature you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► that I could see that like that it's a very fair that's honestly very fair like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► like like when you buy a new Samsung Galaxy S and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► fault signals sent from my samsung trademark Galaxy mark 6 trademark on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► AT&T LTE 4G internet from the now network trademark do you really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► that AT&T CEO is is using that signature on his phone I hope so but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► doubt I think it should be a rule that if if you if you are the kind of if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► you're the kind of position where you can dictate a default will be used by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► thousands of people you should have to use your so I absolutely believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► whatever the default is that you said you should have to write I i you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► believe in personal freedom and liberty but I would support making that a law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► and there's an easy way did you can you can set your email signature don't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► you want by the shipping at fault email signature that the blank exactly and ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► them you know what it what you want to put at the bottom of your emails anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► I always thought that was great about jobs so I believe it about Tim Cook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► I think it's great that he uses the iPad but my question and it was prompted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► the great contra on Twitter take a counter notions one of the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► anonymous or pseudonymous I guess what are their personalities does IBM CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► Ginni Rometty use an iPhone and I'm totally serious when I say that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► that's an interesting and telling you no question do you agree that I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► that would be interesting to know the answer to if you could actually trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► the answer like it you know if they just gave in a press statement oh yes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► probably BS who knows but if if you actually get the word head of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► trustworthy information that says oh yeah yeah they've been using an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► four for months or years whatever that's interesting to know but it's i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► it's a little bit less interesting because IBM doesn't make phones do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► but I don't know why I think you're right though like that that could show a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► level of caring that like you know if the CEO doesn't even use an iPhone how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► committed is that you know how how much does this new partnership really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► like what is really like to actually go anywhere and if the CEOs care deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► enough to even try it themselves right in their own enterprise cuz you know IBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► itself is is like it's like a fractal like where their their business is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► know consulting and services for the enterprise but they themselves are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► the canonical enterprise right if they're not good enough for their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► enterprise knees than you know themselves are a massive company with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► very large needs and the conservative you know technically conservative not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► politically conservative you know but that that they still used Lotus Notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► well and they still use it and and and i think that I think their conservatism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► technically I mean partly that's what they sell that that is their product is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► also their culture and that's that's why I think this is interesting at all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► know if if Apple had a partnership with somebody smaller somebody more dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► it would be less interesting the fact that partnering with IBM is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► interesting because it is so opposite of what you would expect but their money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► explain it and they say oh well we know we have no overlap but this makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► then it's like ok I can get that ok that makes sense yeah I don't know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► think it would be telling her I said I don't think it if it turns out she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► doesn't she uses something else you know my question though is at this point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► time maybe that's telling about the state of the mobile world how crazy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► it away it seems crazy to think that the I president and CEO of IBM uses an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► as a phone bill but all should she use yeah why should she is blackberry 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► blackberry is you know clearly on the way out and just can't do things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► people expect to do on a mobile platform right now I would say two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► blackberry would have still been a plausible guessed right and like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► years ago there were still a lot of like you know quote business people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► still claim that their Blackberries I have to imagine today it's getting much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► more rare to see a berry actually in use by somebody who liked by someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► just bought a new fuck yeah I got a new phone yesterday at the new BlackBerry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► recap how often do you ever see that even even now in the business community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► I have to imagine that's extremely rare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► i've i've never seen somebody using the touchscreen blackberries and I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► I don't fly frequently by five frequently enough and I did not be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► place where I was spotted and I never seen it I still see people with the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► bunny ones but fewer and fewer there but I quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► well it's so it's possible she is a blackberry I would guess it's probable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► she at least used to use a blackberry so maybe she still am but you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► wouldn't be a distressing sign that the CEO of IBM is still holding onto a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► blackberry which is clearly dying platform what else Andrew and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► think so why would it make sense why would it make any more sense for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► president of IBM to be using Android phone then I mean if anything I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► made the most sense for the president to use one of those like stahlman phones at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► Sasol Linux and crazy stuff I did exist people to meet those people trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► make him but I don't think that they would work in the enterprising all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► mean I think there's a security angle there but I don't think there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► integration with all the software that they have to integrate with its gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► get certified network even know probably not but probably incompatible with being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► open source I but they can't do it I don't know about that I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► I've never heard of any company that that using those it seems to me like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► people who that appeals to our security experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► you know that's a very small knit yeah it's a great argument but it's not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► don't think it's something that IBM would use standardized on you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► there's a bunch of people on Twitter who answered my question and said that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► don't know but that there are people in IBM using iPhones in that there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► of people who work at IBM use iPads on a regular basis that there is a lot of dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► shooting in that regard within IBM yeah it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► IBM what most people think of them as is not what to do anymore you know most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► people think of of their days as the computer manufacturer right and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► not their business anymore they have got rid of I believe that entire business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► don't have any parts of it left no they are a services they their enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► services company and then my two servers but I haven't seen IBM server for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► time and if they do I think I think it counts more as consultant then server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► sales you know I think that then I think when you buy if it's if they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► better cost way more for the service contract and everything than the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► hardware yeah I don't think you can just go buy one IBM server from Amazon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► think you'd like to be involved anyway so you know they have all these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► services you know they they will contract to your business to build your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► CRM system for you stuff like that that's or you can use a big list was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► installation yeah I mean and I don't know most of what they do because i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► industry but that's that's a high-level version of it basically and and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► like if that's your business then yeah it helps it helps to some degree to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► primarily sell your stuff when you have something in a certain market you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► you know if they have their own their own document management server then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► makes sense for them to sell that as much as they can as part of these deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► but if the business road is demanding integration with iOS devices and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► don't sell iOS devices something like I was devices it totally makes sense for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► them to address the demand and not be religious about it not be like oh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► can't deal with them because you know their Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► we used to be enemies you know they the fact is they're not enemies now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► remember an extremely different missions now than where they both were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► respectively in the early eighties and and IBM is no longer like they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► they they have no reason to care whose phones they're selling anymore and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► fact well I don't think they should karen that it's any one particular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► that I can see why it would appeal to them to sell Apple because Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► know is is single source they would make it easier for them then they did were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► doing the same thing with Android and if there's demand in these companies in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► same way that so many people you know brought in iPhones because they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► to and they made the company support them afterwards if if there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► compelling reasons for companies whether its employees who want to use iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► employees who already are using them anyway and wanted to work better and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► more of the company's networks and stuff or just you know things like deploying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► custom iOS devices as part of the UPS guy tools or whatever if if the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► and are demanding that stuff it is in IBM's best interest to work with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► to to offer that to integrate that into the contract and services they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► providing otherwise because that's what our customers are demanding yeah maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► you know part of the fallout of this is is it really even about Apple at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► really about the way that IBM is not the IBM we've always thought of and I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► that but this is just sort of crystallizing it i mean the only people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► who should be upset about this or Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► this is their business before this is exactly like this is the business that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► that I've argued for a while that Microsoft should be getting into more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► heavily there you have a very strong enterprise division and and certainly i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► i assume I I don't know this for sure I'm sure Microsoft is is probably IBM's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5215">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► biggest competitor for any pressure versus that might not be sure certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► they're up there and enterprise services are great business for that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► thing because it's a big profitable relatively stable industry being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► compared to consumer tech which is very hard and fickle and low margin usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► so right so you know Microsoft should this is what Microsoft should be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► but they're not for various reasons and I think more than more than anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► it's a sign of the times not that apple and IBM are working together but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► there's a major enterprise partnership that does not involve Microsoft it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► well and in not just the partnership but that that the landscape is changing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► way that such a partnership could exist without Microsoft exact cause even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► Microsoft were involved at the enterprise sales level it still up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► very recently still would have implicitly men everybody who was getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► one of the devices was getting a Windows PC and the customs office license the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► custom app that was being written would be a Windows app exact work and the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► least would be an app that runs on Windows cause may be a small part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► trend over the last decade has been web apps you know even in the enterprise but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► of course you know Windows is cut off from that their own lunches women's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► usually run in IE businesses right but when you're talking about iOS apps now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► you're talking about something where Microsoft is just completely out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► out of the loop relevant to to the solutions that any any any product or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► solution that Apple IBM will work on together will almost certainly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► involve anything from Microsoft at all it will almost certainly only serve to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► make Microsoft stuff irrelevant and a nun and unnecessary yeah I like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► before this I think this is all upside for Apple and every additional every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► time this works and IBM makes one of these deals that gets iPads and iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► into an enterprise it's all upside trouble its iPhones and iPads they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► they will sell now that they wouldn't have sold before maybe it'll be a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► increase maybe it'll be like you know five percent increase in iPad and iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► sales six seven eight percent I don't know maybe it'll be small maybe one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► percent but everyone that sold his upside but at the same time it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► is a loss for Microsoft these are all tasks that Microsoft stuff was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► mostly was almost all use 44 alright maybe with the phones it's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► Microsoft never really had a big phone but people are now using their phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► for things they previously used to have to use the laptop for and certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► anything that you use an iPad for in these situations is something that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► have otherwise been a Windows PC yeah I definitely and I think that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5391">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► this is this apartment those things where you know in a year where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► going we will have forgotten about it but unlike in five years we might look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► back on this and say oh that that was the start of a big shift yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► think we all probably see it like me and you don't enter the enterprise at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► yeah I don't think so we wanted to we couldn't get it right and we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► encounter it in as slides and at em cookie know instead of instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► talking about what percentage of Fortune 500 are using iOS devices its gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► switch to something like percentage of mobile devices and fortune 500 company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► right because that's something they've never talked about but if that becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► sizable number that could be HUGE right even if Apple just gets twenty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► 20% of all mobile devices and fortune 500 companies that's enormous cuz it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► also almost certainly the most expensive twenty percent of the mobile devices in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► a fortune 500 company almost certainly you know and that's how Apple that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► exactly how Apple's come to dominate the revenue and profits in the consumer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► in the consumer side of the market is just by taking the 20% where the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► money as it seems to work well so far I wanted to keep this short so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► wrapping up now if you want to talk about anything else in mind this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► now I'm just trying to get through now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► 1147 emails so what was the counter the apps I think about sixties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► thing is for the listeners that because of the way the both of us talk I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► expect it to be about 45 minutes shorter and overcast I think we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► split into but they'll still still save them both you'll still save the 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► minutes as you get through both episodes you can really boost the the smart speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► total stats we're gonna go to find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► the website is overcast . alright the Twitter account is overcast FM and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► Marco Arment on on Twitter you can save save five characters and you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► Marco on there was no they were using for Twitter app that net is that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► up I really want to work but I think it was hopeless from the start honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► think it had it had a good run like it had a longer run than expected for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► but you guys had a great dissection post-mortem and sadly I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► post-mortem is the right word about it and that sort of you know and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► apply you can circle back to what we were talking about with free apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► paid apps that but there's something about a social network for pay first was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► just never gonna work and you never gets also it's very hard for a social network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► to have something else created that is extremely similar to one its already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► successful Avenue and take off like it has to be after net was not different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► enough from Twitter and I know that they thought they were but the but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► product most people saw wasn't yeah you know that's a that's a common problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► when you're on the inside of a product or service is that you're so intimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► familiar with it that you can send in your bones that you're different enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► to matter but it if ever had but yeah and you you're right I bet they're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► I think that there are a hundred percent right that they were different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► matter but sadly it wasn't different enough in a way that was obvious from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► the outside and so does everybody else it didn't exactly a very common problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► keeps yelling to yourself and your head no look it's like YouTube for dog videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► the newsroom and videos on YouTube it's it's it's exactly the same problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► well and part of it like you can build weird other apps that were built on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► app net and infrastructure that you could never build on Twitter correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► yeah but that was all stuff that was not only added later but also stuff that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► just it just never got a foothold it wasn't really addressing pressing needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► a lot of people had and the whole model of like having to pay for an account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► so long before that the free thing never give people a reason to sign up for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► and never gave the people who did sign up a reason to keep using it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► never give developers enough of a reason to require it to build the school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► the cost of requiring it was so high because you have all your customers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► had then get up on their accounts like it was a big burden to place on on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► acts so that very few out of it made for it there were compelling and by the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► yeah I think so yeah I think their best chance at that point was if Twitter had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► imploded in terms of the way that there is like the sense that Twitter was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► really burning all of the bridges with third-party app developer right I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► that's a Twitter just completely pulled the plug on third-party APs and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► used the official Twitter client or don't use Twitter at all there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► chance that some number of us might have switched a lot of our daily church a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► turd tapped on it we still wouldn't I I think it would take a bigger implosion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► that like I i think if Twitter did what Facebook does now with their timelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► we're alright Facebook like you can't I don't come by a combined with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► combine it with nuking third party API third-party API's and the reason into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► third-party API's is they want to do twitter facebook like things with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► feet right we're like they they don't show you everything that you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► seeing you don't want to write and that way they can then go into business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► accounts and say oh you even though you've earned a million followers based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► on your merit and what people that people who want to hear from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► willing to show that ten percent of them what you post unless you pay us that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► what Facebook does and if it confuses the crap out of you on facebook but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► don't care because the official was never a place to follow what was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► posted if Twitter did something like that that fundamentally changes the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► of product works then that might anger and our people like us to leave but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► would take some even that they even that example might not be enough it you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► to like really do something majorly messing up your product and permanently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► messing up your product before enough people would leave to make a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► well I think there was a time you know your ago where it seemed like Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► might have been not teetering on the edge of that but maybe looking longingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► in that direction and you know stroking their collective chin and thinking maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► I still wouldn't put it past them I mean yeah like god knows what it will do next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► month like that it's always it's a crapshoot their their leadership has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► been so iraq yet erratic is a great word for it it's like you never know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► you're gonna do they they've always had this great product that was that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► be made into a much more money title product by ruining it and so far they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► kind of walk the line of trying to only minimally ruin it and they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► fundamentally don't understand their homes and they also don't I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► also fundamentally don't value their own employees because there are some great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► people who have been working on and have left people who I know are still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► on the design teams who are you know just have a great track records and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► clearly aren't being listened to and not giving enough authority over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► direction of product yeah it's I'm I'm I'm shocked at how the company continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► to operate given how badly it seems to be led most of the time congress wrap-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► ever now I might as well just tack on the ATP I'll talk about 45 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► afterwards I think my single favorite tweet I saw today about overcast was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► somebody I know who it was but somebody sent you a fake screenshot where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► the there's a setting where you can you can set how long the fast-forward goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► the end and they said I thought it would have been like this and it says 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► seconds thirty seconds sixty seconds and then last option is however long that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5931">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► was down the trail is very good god I gotta look it up and and put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► shower and he retweeted it so you better find it there alright I will find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxpJ6IA/5944">TS</a>]