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00:00:55 ◼ ► always loved the managers Yankees thats if your answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/55">TS</a>]
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00:01:05 ◼ ► through the eighties and then sort of the tragic career he's he's the without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/65">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► doubt the greatest new york yankee who never won World Series and not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/72">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► never won a World Series II never won a playoff series he played right after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/77">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► Reggie Jackson era Yankees had won some World Series and then he played right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/82">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► through the eighties and early nineties when the Yankees were actually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/86">TS</a>]
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00:01:34 ◼ ► season cut short he added relatively short career than most players had a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/94">TS</a>]
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00:01:56 ◼ ► a game 5 in a five-game series to the Seattle Mariners john bolton Steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/116">TS</a>]
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00:02:15 ◼ ► and now he's managing the Dodgers and they are still working in the field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/135">TS</a>]
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00:02:26 ◼ ► before we started recording their blood since Dodgers were eliminated just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/146">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► the cherry on his shit Sunday basically and it was closed Davis 322 heartbreaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/153">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► so you know what you turning the amount on baseball little bit for the playoffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/159">TS</a>]
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00:03:18 ◼ ► end and it's kind of what you guys discuss it then surely the school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/198">TS</a>]
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00:03:38 ◼ ► you ever heard him mention the scoreline right and if you look at that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/218">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► spreadsheet like you know here's the game reduced in numbers it just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/223">TS</a>]
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00:03:52 ◼ ► statically baseball stats right only because without context so much that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/232">TS</a>]
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00:04:07 ◼ ► finish my stats in a way because nothing else going on sometimes yeah it lends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/247">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► itself to it to its the page 22 game that lends itself to the keeping of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/253">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► innumerable statistics and there's ways to show that all sorts of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/259">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► statistics correlate at least in some way to winning and losing and surely you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/265">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► know it's just lend itself to just elaborate elaborate statistical analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/271">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► and i ended up dead to me off though because when you start telling stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/277">TS</a>]
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00:04:55 ◼ ► and downs of individual players teams and two catches my attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/295">TS</a>]
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00:05:20 ◼ ► an enormous amount of fiction narrative fiction it to me a lot of sports fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/320">TS</a>]
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00:05:45 ◼ ► ending good stories sometimes a sports game is just boring because one team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/345">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► so you can't fake and then all of a sudden sometimes it's the read it two in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/355">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► the ninth inning and the bases are loaded and nobody is out and you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/359">TS</a>]
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00:06:26 ◼ ► dodgers manager right good go rest ye merry his nickname literally I swear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/386">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► God his nickname is Donnie baseball as it is like this game right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/392">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► done a baseball how does he get like that's crazy had to get that nickname is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/400">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► like the baseball players baseball player Billy hes that can I swear to god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/406">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► did I heard it the other day he's the guy who there's a YouTube clip of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► like in the regular season game in 1985 there was a foul ball that because I pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► up going over into the stands and he ran over to see if he could catch it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► went too far into the stands can catch 'it meanwhile there's a kid in the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/424">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► row eating box of popcorn in the kid turned around to the ball landed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/428">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► Mattingly just reaches over and takes a handful and then he just took it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/433">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► around and is like whoa Don Mattingly just don't have and in mattingly just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/439">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► give them a little not like thanks for bob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► goes back to first base to finish the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► rate that that's why he's done like while playing at the highest level he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/451">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► also thinking that's perfect see ya that's that's way better than what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/457">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► batting average yeah right but he took the popcorn that cool to me he's on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/465">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► fantasy team immediately they're talking on sports if anybody's listening stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/474">TS</a>]
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00:08:15 ◼ ► manufacturing some actual drama that's gonna be it's going to come to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/495">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► fair and square abilities of the people involved not even fair and square if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/502">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► but even then it adds to the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/510">TS</a>]
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00:08:50 ◼ ► get all invested in it and the team you're rooting for more invested win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/530">TS</a>]
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00:09:19 ◼ ► even more dramatic but beware the stakes are real like you know the situation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/559">TS</a>]
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00:09:32 ◼ ► all sorts of incredibly exciting drama involved great stories to be told but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/572">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► the stakes are so real it's real stuff you can't you can't take it lightly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/579">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► can you know when when there's a big turn of events you can't go well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/583">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► was some butt to bed he you know yeah I know I think with sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/586">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► win or lose in a way you can always laugh at yourself right like I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► believe how so happy that just Bantam team did this random thing I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/596">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► believe it was so bummed out that they lost ya with real life stuff like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/601">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► don't get a lot of these people's lives on the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► things right we can be happy that the Death Star governor because you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/613">TS</a>]
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00:14:35 ◼ ► just TLK W and you'll save five bucks off your first purchase and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/875">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► regular prices are already really low so go do that my thanks to Harry's full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/882">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► but you know what pretty awesome I'm really happy to have you in the past two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/891">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► days ago some samples are you shaving cream and aftershave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/897">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► they don't like you know what they love me and telling you it's just saw this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/903">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► think now you know I heard that I heard that they they got a new cream they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/909">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► allowed during cream instead of like the first cream that they have which is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/916">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► doesn't really work up a ladder it's just like it works great but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/921">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► like foam up to the new one that some people just some people disliked it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► they have one in today just today and haven't read it yet but the bottle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/930">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► after she ate sort of thing to try tomorrow but it's great i love it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/934">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► you know what this case the product packaging and I love the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► delivery to design everything about it is just amazing I don't even care what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/948">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► in the bottle I feel bad it's one of those things like Apple products where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► feel bad during the box out yeah I keep my boxers until I get made fun of to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/958">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► point is he gonna give it is this thing still have my MacPro boxes you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/962">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► no good reason to wait 20 minutes into the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/966">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► yeah here's my big the big topic I think and I don't know where the leaders won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► get into the details but it's this idea that we've you you and i have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/981">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► involved in several of these threads this week on Twitter couple have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► and I think it's not that I'm hunting for people who agree with me but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/991">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► did that doesn't really see I I found it very curious that there was nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► arguing the other side which is more or less he says that to a deposit at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/998">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► this year with iOS aid and Yosemite Apple bit off more than it can chew in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► terms of how much it was going to do ship and it's the quality control is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► suffering therefore that they they tried to do too much by September when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► had to ship because the new iPhones needed Iowa State and that this annual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► schedule there tonight at the annual schedule is necessarily too too short a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► period but that they're trying to do too much in those annual schedules and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► they want to do that much between major releases it has to be more than here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► if they wanted to be a year they have to do less at a time ok so yes I was asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► about this and stated like that actually doing this similarly and a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► subjects you can't keep making the giant leads that each of these oases take in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► this space of a year and the reason for that is that you don't have a you to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► it you've got maybe four or five maybe six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► ya un you made this point on a vector last week or debugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► whichever whichever explain but explained I thought this is and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► think that this I don't think people think this because people think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► well it's been a year since I was seven came out so why couldn't they do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► anymore but explain the reason is and is not just me this is you know I've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► project management and people inside Apple's actually pretty much the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► with the case it's a fact because I can't prove it first few months spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► fixing the bugs that you did she write the eight points you won and even if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► get back to you if you forget if you forget what it was like a year ago when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► I was 7 for ship don't worry about it just think about what what you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► assume people at Apple work on iOS are doing right now today they've got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► working on iowa have to be in everybody knows alright so they're doing that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1135">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► we ship it called that call that October November maybe even December so the Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► City 801 hit forty to fifty thousand people I don't understand if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► 10 min clean install base despite its bad news rights and it's it's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► like and you know it's clearly this small samples of the definition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► exactly what the day that that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► 8.01 day goes on Wednesday whatever day that day and my pally the bartender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Haley he he was guest bartending Jose Garces restaurant in Philadelphia for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► happy hour and invited me to come and so got got the kid taking care of it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► know 51 a couple cocktails with Lee at any place and he sat next to a guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► guys have sex you happen to be hungry and I don't get that much I am a big fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► he is just an attorney in Philadelphia also found a house in London bridges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► iPhone six-plus that day because he'd like came out Headley Court in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► morning had lunch came out to lunch at 8.01 was out hit update and by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► o'clock his brand new iPhone six-plus could make phone calls so you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► thought that was really interesting wow I just met somebody who got hit by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► bug so it seems to me like it's pretty prevalent forty fifty thousand people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► again could've been a lot worse if it was everybody but I think the window is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► pretty small and it was alright how many hours is posted for her well but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► weird though because I it's one of those weird things about the way stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► propagates around the world without bail on the CD and that they use when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► were still I still get a hearing from people on Twitter saying it like four in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► the afternoon eastern time that their iPhone was still offering it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► knew not to allow it but if they didn't you know hadn't been following the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► news of the day that might get you know still hadn't been rescinded from at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► yeah and you know you have a pretty broad audience but that is a tiny slice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► of apple and yeah and I guess it kind of makes sense that that that would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► max you know that something like that would be the number because if it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► hundred percent of people than it would have been caught yeah whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► circumstances were that made that made this and I'm still not seen anybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► Delta update like if you just as the Delta download from a specific version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► but it must have been something like that because if it affected everybody it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► never affected and 5% for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► you know this if you have that if you have this then found just didn't wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► in their testing matrix I guess I think it was business inside of the train did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► actually manage our business is business week I'm sorry it's funny that a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► idea since the case of business week that horrible you missing history and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► it's completely pointless yeah that was a really I thought that was so uncalled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► done it's it's like when I his BS cold out together losses iPhone 4 prototype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► right and guess what I houses I'm gonna call you that which is again before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► was even if I would say I would say was even worse than the entire peace based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► on who's this poor kid and complicated twenty-some-odd made a genuinely honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1370">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► mistake there's no need to make more calls and autumn likes you know at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► focus on the phone you got you really don't need to do a piece about the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► know together goofed and lost it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► yeah i i was gonna say that was worse though and i dont worse is the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► word but I would say in the wind reason I was going to say the least with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► kid who lost the iPhone he really did lose the iPhone and what he was accused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► of having done is exactly what he did that he had as an engineer he had access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► to pre-release iPhone iphone4 to use in the wild for field testing and left it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► at a bar restaurant well we don't know where it was lifted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► was lifted but but you know but it was when you left which is exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► happened nobody is that some dispute the first thing he did in the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► is calling so right right he did the right thing you know but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► BusinessWeek story name in the guy as being responsible for this 801 update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► and then further saying that he was on the QA team was leader of the Apple maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► is actually wrong now you know I did the same thing as you I asked around and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► guy is responsible for some level of QA at Apple but nobody inside Apple that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► talked to said that there's any sense that he single-handedly pulled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► deserves that anybody other than the entire company deserves some credit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► you know business week made it sound like one guy was hitting the button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► saying is ready to go and his role his role on maps was had nothing to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► the maps data it was the maps app which nobody I which I know for users they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► don't have it doesn't make a difference they don't see a difference between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► data and the app but anybody who's listening to this show goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► knows the difference you know what anybody reporting on technology for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► business should know the different right it's like being you know it's it's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► it's sort of like the difference between your email client and what's in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► emails you know your email clients fault if the emails are full of junk and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► maps app worked fine it was just that it had bad data and you know empty dated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► that it was missing a lot of data we had nothing to do it it was that wasn't what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► there is listed in business week is like you know any insinuation it wasn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► direct but the only insinuation you could draw from it is that was the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► thing though is that it was an insinuation it wasn't lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► putting out the word behind the error like at least I will be adding this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► just more like this was a backhanded gossipy stuff and it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► insinuations Apple has at least one inept bozo who's still you know after he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► made a terrible mistake with the maps this dole bringing new iPhone which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► so far just somebody by the game I'll tell you why I never told this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► publicly I don't think but I well the writer of this one of the riders on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► story was adam said Torreon oh and answer toria site or on a couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► ago wrote a piece for business week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► me yours truly John Gruber which I went along with half heartedly I did talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► him to get thirsty bear in france is your first mistake and I met with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► colleague of his here in Philly for follow-up questions about what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► phenomenon and it was well as opposed to me initially as a deer gonna write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► piece about the independent pack journalism web people like me and Arnold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► cam rumors and maybe Jim Dalrymple and other people like that you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► who are covering Apple but you know either individuals like me or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► and it became very obvious to me as the interviews progress that it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► going to be that there was more just about me which I found uncomfortable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► I encourage them to not make it about me and make it about all of us together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► of which I'm just one example and so I kind of and as it became clear to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► it's participated lessons and you know I don't think I wasn't rude and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► stop talking to them but I stopped participating and they asked me to pose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► for a photograph refused that's awkward well i've seen the photographs the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► and published of others and he made people look goofy like I told them this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► so like what's the guys name Gene Munster who famously the analyst Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► Zeman they can so I have a look to see if you google Gene Munster business week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► Bloomberg Bloomberg Businessweek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► going to a thousand books now I know thats 2012 I don't want to be too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► fun it is to stock splits just not sure to 700 now if you don't get there too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► but that's it that's that's it look at the picture I would you do this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► somebody right it's boring to me I think a very photo i mean i think is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► because of the TV stuff that he's trained up but this is that don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► that you smarter than that yeah it's a clown yeah yeah and and i've seen other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► publications do this and I can also and so I wanted nothing to do with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► you don't get to approve its not like if they shoot 20 photos of me I get to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► pick which one they can use their all there's yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► nor would I allow them to use any of the photos I have so they think if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► at the profile their third party photos like a Creative Commons then from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► flippers something but anyway that's the main point though is that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► then towards the end they came out and asked the question I knew that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► going to ask which is how much money do you and I said to them said on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► record I don't track cause he said really and I said really I don't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► track and I said off the record and he said what I said dad what you doin I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► just told you is what you can quote you can quote the world business week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► don't know any other than that I'm not going to talk about and he was a guy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► I could run out said sure I would love it if you read that right but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► said Gruber wouldn't discuss it but somebody familiar with his finances who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► happy with how I swear to God because he doesn't have permissions set paid his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► income at $400,000 you have a big organizations I mean God knows who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► leaked that made me so mad about that I i called Adam on it but privately and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► publicly I didn't want to bring it up until now the talk show me they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1854">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► it but I said I know that it bullshit I know that is bullshit is there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► literally only three people on the planet who have any familiarity with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► finances at all that mean my wife and my account and I guess maybe if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► fourth day would be somebody at the IRS who handles the tax return to my account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► even and I doubt that there's anybody remembers my name I presume that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► things are completely yes just robot so there's literally only three people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► the planet and I know for a fact that he didn't speak to the corner and so what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► presume that I don't think he made it up I presume that what he did is he found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► one person is sponsored by sight and asked you know what did you pay for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► sponsorship and multiplied it or something like that I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► there's no way that it isn't rates any website right played the data what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► said though he did description he used in print in business week is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► incompatible with any way that he could have a number yeah I thought that was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► telling will you know what it say he could get me a coffee go to this website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► finally this number multiplied by 12 right doesn't it just right but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► like it's dishonest I feel like that's what he did then he should have said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► you know he should have a spell that out just like you didn't print and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► there's a ballpark estimate there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► yeah you know what what he said was it somebody familiar with my finances you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► didn't have which it's made me mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► two ways because the first way is that it's I know it's not true but the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► way is it insinuate that there's somebody those close to me who betrayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► which is even more angry that my secondary reaction in fact that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1969">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► bothered me even more that somebody that I would I would share my finances with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► somebody in the day with black off the record to adam said to hurry on over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► business week so it always and I always file that in my head whenever I see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► i've never I've always been a little bit skeptical of any unnamed sources in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► eat anything i read online but after that I'm even more so when I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► information attributed to people familiar with the matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► yes I agree with you have rejected that intellectually but this is a good visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► you know just being here Palin know that no thats nobody would do that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► understand why I'm not a fan of atoms at work so he added this guide QA and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► whatever we are tracked way putting it in a way of severe it can be a pain in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2033">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► the ass right at least three months after the OS comes out your spic some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► bugs you know and you know during that time hopefully the management is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► trying to discern which the major teaches it can be able to make it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► the next release and then you've got maybe you know between if you're lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► three to six months to implement if you like me and then last screens squeezing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► it in for WBC is you know I don't know what you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► December January timeline for you know I did last year what we call it didn't 7.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► didn't come out until March yeah but figure I figured just as a rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► timeline that through December it was mostly heads down on fixing stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► doing stuff or 7.1 January and February I'm sure a lot of resources started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► going towards Iowa seat but somewhat still finishing the final touches on 7.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► but then roughly you know up until June you're trying to get the first working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► version of new stuff done for the next version of the OS and yeah I'm hesitant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► to take months to certain phases right because you know I think that fluid but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► you know the general process is you'll get a few lucky Buddha six months to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► actually implement stuff and the rest of the time you know at the end you will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► fixing everything that you find after you have him listed as a beta which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► what WWC is right and so that means that anyone given new lease has really only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► had a few lucky three to six months actual development time in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► implementing new features which is like creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► trading create the creative fears of sovereign yes and so having this yearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► schedule becomes owner is if you keep trying to buy it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► giant you know portions of the pie if you know what you want to build gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► believe that Apple has a good line that goes out you know couple of versions at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► least they have aspirations you doing so only in chunks of three to six months of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► pure creative engineering rest of the time is dealing with the bugs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► created in the previous version and the bugs are you fixing in order to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► current version out the door and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► and I you know I think ultimately what they want to get out the door may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2212">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► running up against the limits of what they can achieve in that time frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► yeah I totally agree with that I think they have compounded the problem I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► if this all sounds very negative but in the end of God Mac OS iOS and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► they've got to wash away all of them increasingly have to work together at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► think maybe I think they'll be difficulties down the road though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► there's a lot of bootstrapping is quite the right word but it's your fitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► where you know the way that these things are integrated with each other which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► great and which is the way to go and which is better than the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► everything used to be a lot more siloed from Apple but the fact that it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► geared together creates these weird hiccups when one of the gears isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► right i mean just one example but I think it's a major one is the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► situation with Iowa where where are your photos and where they how many are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► backed up and the ones that are you know to the iCloud in and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► they're not even trying it with even with when you're seventy ships the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► Mac photo stuff they've already said they said back into biddy biddy see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► you know in terms of having the Mac be a full client towards this new iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► centric look yeah and and I heard it suggested that they were doing in swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► it it's not just takes that long to do that kind of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► right and that they know that because they have they do have some experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► with and it's always hard to estimate exactly it's impossible to write but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► they know how long it took to write iPhoto and they know how long it took to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► write a picture and they know how long a major update aperture took in how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► the major update to iPhoto talk and they knew that what they are undertaking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► this is you know in that scope me know that you know that's that's at nine ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► months away thing but it's such a big hole in the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► you know in the overall experience right now that nobody quite knows where their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► photos are and how to make sure that they're everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► yeah I think it likely that they had not likely they were hurt their head this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► kind of weird little you know as you describe it did cause not maybe leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► out exactly as expected and I don't think it's just so far but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► institutions have to sort of adapt to this kind of interconnected stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► they're committing to again you mention this on your show last week and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► is one other point I took note that it's worth pointing out and just saying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► like a look we're literally armchair quarterbacks here we're just two guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► you know the drill just two guys you know observing from across the continent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► and inside out with their leadership is running a hundred billion dollar a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► corporation you know and we're not I'm not trying to tell them I know better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► i'm just still good stuff but I'm just say no as an observer if we want to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► take a step back and look at the state that the whole software ecosystem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► across the Apple board right now it's not good right now and September October [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► yeah and last year was very similar I thought yeah I mean last year having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► lot of his choc choc get up to when he was 72 changes for sale being gone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► so that's going to be the process and they didn't write that those of us who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► know how long stuff takes we're still and still to this day I'm kind of in on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► that they shipped Iowa 7 as even though as rough as it was in a short time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► they did they don't win should not have happened right knowing that it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► didn't start until after four stalls ouster you know Layton Layton year 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► will I think some of the technical underpinnings did but certainly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► redesign was yeah and some of the new links of the design had started yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► but as a look we're going to actually do this and we actually need to take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► style of design and apply it to everything up the bottom didn't start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► until the forestall ouster reading of the John Prine John I'm from georgia's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► all designed software and hardware a challenging putting that what's his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► in charge of software engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► yeah yeah factory in charge of the engineering that's incredible time frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► and so we think we we we as observers and critics of the company were willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► to grant a little bit more grace last year with I was seventh bug innocent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► till iowa 71 whereas this year it doesn't really seem it seems like an own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► goal like a foreign force there yes I double greatly sportsman if I go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► Foursquare gold goes a little where is to dress like that they didn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► have to do is much add this as they needed to all at once they didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► to do third-party keyboards right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► right well didn't think I don't personally know I don't think so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► probably not I just don't think they needed to do it again tonight you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2569">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► think that would have been called out I we're still does not support the White [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► Witch yeah I did i do think I do think that there was you know there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► weird I mean the new singles out the bending yeah I do think that you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► firmly believe I said this for years and I think people are so you can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► tell just chillin alone is not is not just there to to do ads you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► you know it's not like marketing I think it's a bad rap and there might be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► companies that do it this way but that you know somebody create the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► designs aren't tied the company designs whatever it is and engineers make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► becomes real and it's finished and then they handed to marketing and they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► now sell it that's not out marketing works at Apple is somehow works at most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► companies now are getting is just describing what the product is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► marketing is part of the design process of making sure that it fills a need and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► that it's going to sell before it made yeah I mean I didn't get naturally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► building yesterday guess I'm gonna need and I mean they were both they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► been in meetings with with bill right hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► know it's very much but the design process say this is not working the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► go make it is this feeling me and he's going two ways it's it's it's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► the process they could be getting and then at the end of the process when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► is time to come up with actual slogans and billboards and here is the way we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► going to presented on stage at the intro event you're just there just describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► what it actually is like and I think that's very very true of almost all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► Apple products is that the marketing really is pretty apt its well you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► why I think because marketing has been and marketing is horrible word it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2692">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► been stained too often yeah yeah it's not inherently bad words sounded like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► no no it's not always said I I had the same conversation this week on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► within the old dash and Gina Trapani think up they were the sponsors don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► fireball last week and that they think they described as social network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► analytics on Twitter or even in my right up under fire by said look at Alex's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► yet don't think of it that way it's just useful information about you that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► would want to know and it's not like douchebags and and you even said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► it's like internally like Danny knows they couldn't say it but that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► thought it was looking like its social analytics but I swear it's not douchey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► because it is nothing inherently wrong with the word analytics technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► literally by the definition that is what does and that is what you know marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► is you know it is what it says it is but the word is just taken on a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► ya no that's that's good advice and I totally understand that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► marketing stamps for iOS aid this year able not to silence it goes hand in hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► with the fact that the iPhones 60 bigger is it's the shut up about Android right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► like light leak or or a bad way to put it but it's the here's the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► he hears the reasonable reasons that somebody might choose Android over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► iPhone here will will give you are answering them right so you like bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► funds totally reasonable ok now we have bigger funds you like third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► keyboards ok now we have third-party keyboards you like sharing information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► directly between applications and you know doing that you know and that is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► the big highlight most of the big highlight features are these sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► things that and read it got into first yea even Windows Phone have taken a bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► out of that stuff yeah I think Windows Phone with the sharing between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► applications was you know I know and I had some states to first but I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► the way that Windows did it was was more of a highly enough of us closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► yeah it was a lot more like Apple's services in Pakistan you know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► taken Apple you know all these decades to get back around to services from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► know why so for sell stunt on the idea of services in ways I was no I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► know that you know you did not show yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► well not out it was because every single app that exposes service as a West End [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► owes you just haven't looked at completely unwieldy Services menu oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► yeah well that's a great Paul ICIC services they do that literally because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► I mean they have a password server and I like it I was works incredibly similarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► to Mac toes it you know how to implement services it's really pretty basic it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► like something goes on a pasteboard not not the one you copy and paste into but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► separate one another app can then is invoked and pull something up that pace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► but it does something with it and paste it becomes a backup to the baseboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► then the app that you called it from just takes it from the peace with it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► it you can do copy and paste you can do services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► yeah and it's just a very basic level specification of here's the datatype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► here's the standard data types for services and here are the ones I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► interested in Stinson me as a service I might only be interested in text yet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► don't even bother with me if the selection is something else it's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► simple and bright idea good well it didn't want to put it into iowa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► because did the model the interaction would just eventually become cumbersome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► and you can see it you can see it on Pakistan if you have enough third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► absence and nobody looks at you and I do and maybe a few listeners but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► always been and will always be into unless they've totally revolutionized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► with extensions yeah I mean some Mayakkam imagine if you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► ship desperate for the Mac I imagine you think you'll be surprised at how few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► people use it but he kinda needs to be there to use the people who do use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► will definitely want yes and you can go into it so we're is a you'd never think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► to look there you have to go to System Preferences on the Mac System [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► Preferences keyboards shortcuts services and there you get a list of all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► services from all yes you have installed and then you can turn off the ones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► don't use and it's so who is everything that you would go there to manage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► system services go keyboard shortcuts services just such a weird hit and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► a giant list yeah and it's also a mess too because the service can specify a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► keyboard shortcut but there's nothing that stops to services and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► good no good way to resolve that I don't you know what the rules are like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► them somehow when I don't know if it's the first one to claim it over the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► 12 climate but one of them wins but it's not not because you the user you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► order the first or last one so it's right now the last one that the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► notice it but completely arbitrary anyway so long story short it yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► idea of services could get next in iowa's and I thought you meant when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► when i when i tooth sucked before inside out I thought you meant the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► you're saying certain literally literally service that makes sense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► that's forced all that is best I think says he and and I imagine this purple me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► to show you were gonna have to edit some stuff gets it probably shouldn't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► publicly I i think that that was forced thailand is best because he's an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► next guy and services were kind of a feather in the cap for the Nexus time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► for him to be like this we really don't want to go down this rabbit hole and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► think he was he had his eyes open enough to see that it didn't play out well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► I think part of the reason it didn't play out as well america has 10 as next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► is that next never really had a lot of developers they had like some and send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► the ones that they had even a third party ones where amazing right on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► group started you know you know fantastic company but there weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► people with next computers are never complaining about how long their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► services manuals because all the apps word providing all these services have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► that many at that is exactly what it was like five acts out there doing what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► right and i phone and say I'm gonna be schooling for like three weeks trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► figure out where the services they want right like I when I upgraded to I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► tad took the time and deleted all the apps that I had used in I figured if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► have been using the more than just delete it really everyone about just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► to the App Store and get back we shined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► and I still have so many you know and their summers I haven't used it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► anyway still have so many apps I can't even imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► yeah well I mean I imagine you just install apps to try them yeah I did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► same thing and it's a lot easier to get around the net and literally have great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► chemistry so I dunno it's every now and then somebody notices to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► you I was just in case you get drunk and now I've got a tender to use its just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► awkward there's a good period records do there is actually fun that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► explain to anybody except it like somebody told me was a good app to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► just see this kind of particular interaction tried it yet i was just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► of the spots in a pair as an interesting interaction will buy the app just to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► a good oh you should see the way that you can pre-order lists in this app you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► don't have to hit it first you diss weird and yeah like what a long press in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► the UV order but like what the app actually does something like might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► managing your diabetes and I have diabetes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► anyway this take a break out thank our second sponsored grinder no naka no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► grudges officers you know yeah but it's not our sponsor it is back please I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► could transit back place I have a great story to tell this is amazing this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► we're recording on Tuesday October 7th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► last night Monday October 6th at my main Mac families on real loud at my desk my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3293">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► wife is going to require podcast and you know it and I checked the uptime 14 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► as a long time to run it just restarts I restarted the Mac and to let it sit at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► login screen and just shut up and let the fans go up so when she record record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► to my desk and recorded a podcast just the tip classes good podcast PK I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► back after watching baseball game when I get my computer restarting it back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► and it wouldn't restart who look and I like it the power button held the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► button shut down and held the power button again I heard a little something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► starting up and light came on but it never even got to the startup chime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► which is fine if you don't hear that bomb when you get past the post that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► very you can you should bet money that you have a logic board problem and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► thought i know i know im backed up so is the worst case scenario gotta do is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► wait and restore from backup haven't lost anything I'm backed up a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► ways but one of the ways I'm backed up and i know im backed up is through back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► place which is online backup that runs in the background and it's actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► one who gives me the most peace of mind because it's the one that I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► to do anything about and I literally this is what I didn't try to resuscitate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► him it was late at night about this morning I just went to a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► machine could have been my iPhone could have been another Mac doesn't he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► log in the back please I logged into my back by his account and just looked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► it said that I was backed up as of like 8 p.m. last night as I was backed by his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► backup backup everything on your Mac everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► view of external hard drives backs this up to what's going on space unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► you just pay $5 a month and everything on your Mac get backed up what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► if there's technically it's that the $5 a month which is incredibly low as per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► Mac but that perm a cost is everything on the Mac including the external drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► I if I didn't have back ways I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► night trying to restore resuscitate the drive opening the case trying to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► case and putting it in today up on doing stuff like that all I do is log in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► back was account and you have is backed up nothing to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► can't say enough what a great feeling that is you just hurry to sign up go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► back plays dot com slash daring fireball back please be lazy dot com slash their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► environment they know you come from the show that way you get a 14 day free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► trial no credit card up front to do that install their software on your Mac setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► an account used to 14 days it might take awhile for all of your stuff to get up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► upstream through the cloud do that the first 14 days see how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► see how once you have it set up it just runs you don't do anything you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► remember one today to hit the back plz bunten doin upload it is uploads as it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► easy you need to incremental can't say enough I mean I am testimony to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► broken Mac nothing lost can't couldn't be easier so my thanks to back please go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► get him don't be a dummy who's not backed up that's great I mean just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► honestly we had to deliver show ya glad it worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► the best thing about remember anything to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► yeah I know I don't trust myself either which is a testament to back this if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3531">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► intentionally have to think of a backhand but gonna screwed up sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► yeah it's not really back up I think somebody argued with me once I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► with it if your backup system is something you have to invoke manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► that's not a backup system it's you it's you know it's something you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► clones of your data it worth doing I use super duper late that the third part you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► it's it's not really backed up backed up is when something it's unexpectedly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► I go and check and I'm backed up from the last moment I remember sitting at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► computer that that's well I think you know i think thats what time machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► tries to address and I think that that swayed back brace dozen states yea yea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► time she's great solution to I say dumont do you know no way you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► more backed up yeah you can be to back to where you can be but not in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► no no time machine for the best things that Apple did I still think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► need to I would love to see Apple do something improve the means of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► Time Machine from like I know they've got the time machine base station but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► still feel like there could be there could be a better experience and he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► you notice that they got rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► can talk about this anyway they got rid of this chair backfield account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► yeah yeah good call now but my understanding is the starfield was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► literally joke it was my understanding is that it was matters basically making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► a joke and yes it was definitely madness I don't want to pay get to see ya that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► hillary's uses goofiest thing I can imagine yeah let's make that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► an interesting way of of starting late will what's the most outlandish what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► what's the most button up here we could do it well he Time Machine his doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► who write well you could do like both extremes you could say what's the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► straight-laced conservative but no way we could do it and say well it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► look like the Finder accepted maybe it's his list view you know just looked just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► like to find a different color oK what's the most outlandish way we can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► yeah you're like seeing the doctor who like the opening doctor and we will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► it in 3d and that they were like let's go ahead and do we were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► forestall before and somebody email me and again you can't you know it's small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► data samples because it's only been two major releases sent for stolen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► somebody email me I didn't recognize the name its not somebody who knows but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► was clearly somebody who had some who used to work at Apple you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► engineer just said hey did you know but doesn't work there anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► and is more or less said you know this could be you know the downside of losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► Scott Forstall because where everyone to say about Scott Forstall Scott Forstall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► knew how to manage large cuts software projects I don't know how much from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► outside now this is somebody was only inside you said you know this just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► a lot like like Scott was better in knowing that we should we should kill a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► couple of these features because we're not we're not going to ship on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► otherwise you know I don't know thought that was an interesting observation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► maybe that's not true and maybe there's you know people from Apple who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► listening to the show right now shaking their heads thinking my god that Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► was the worst that I don't know I'm just saying thats what one person wrote it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► but so far too for two major IOS releases post forestall an again does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► leaving aside the design style of them which clearly opposition days his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► direction but in terms of how good were they when they shipped in September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► they're not the not so good quality wise and I think in both cases it was because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► of my I think it's too much to do any year I I honestly think it's too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► doing here to be honest I've heard nothing bad about working under cut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► to regular Apple they you know it was demanding of course I mean things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► you reporting to Scott Forstall year you know you're up there and you did so high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► pressure job for sure but in general it's unclear to me why did break with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► the company happened maybe it's time to change management change it up a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3832">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► it's unfortunate that since then we've had a couple of Phyllis releases iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► releases did maybe you seem a little bit undercooked for lack of a better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► yeah and I i know you actually here to being locked to the hardware but I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► to being overzealous with adding features because I mean two things right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► thank you can you can you hit the date or you can do less stuff and an error on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► this site certainly in this case just do this stuff you can change her and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► get to combine that with the new and then again from product marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► perspective I totally understand it but from this style of were gonna tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► all about it at WWDC in June and I feel like they're a feel like they're painted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3893">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► in a corner that what they've promised in June has to ship in September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► yes yeah yeah and there's a couple of things that don't but that will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► coming in October because they really need yosemite for them and it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► pointed this out before it's like i cud keychain was last year my car key chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► was a WBC unveiled preacher September I was seven came out and even it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► the betas throughout the summer it wasn't in the final version and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► was there in October in a point release when Pakistan maverick ship because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► somehow needed all of that you know and again it goes back to the gears needing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► all the all the gears to be there for this thing to work and as a set of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► topless show I think the interconnectedness is an end with 12 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► imaginary Apple TV sometime next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► yeah this is just it's it's it's going to keep getting more complicated like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3954">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► the interoperability is going to end up being difficult thing to address in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► lockstep manner and you need a lockstep but we don't need one but ideally you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► would have a lock step at least for all of these features may be trying to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► devil's advocate maybe take a more optimistic view maybe though Iowa State [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► was sort of like Iowa seven where I was seven was this we have to do all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► visuals it wants to redo the visuals and all these animations and everything all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► the pixels they're thrown on screen across the system at once in nine months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► and so of course it was going to be rocky and maybe I will say is the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► way in terms of laying the foundation for all of this in her apt communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► well in her and even further in her apt and interred device communication and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► that maybe you know things can slow down in terms of how much cabins year over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► year and that I S nine in September by nature bite off less because it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► to be about making these things work better and more seamlessly rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► yeah I agree which you know and then again I don't want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► attended I would say to the extension anything bad misconceived or fully done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► she's more rough edges in the USDA you would expect and I think that's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► of the heat read more in a lot less time than they could be achieved with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► certainty yeah and I don't think it's in any way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► refuting the idea that Apple is internally more collaborative them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► before or that that they could solve this that they're still understaffed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► something like that I think it's it's simply the nature of you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► the myth the commandant you can't exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► cannot you really you can actually like almost prove it that you cannot ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► software high-quality software faster by throwing people you know and I do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► I think the nature of the features themselves shows that they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► company is more collaborative but that doesn't mean that you can get it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► it possible to do this like if they weren't if they were as silent as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► there's these features wouldn't even exist so do you know who argues against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► this notion is name is John Gruber from back in 2003 this is that this came down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► to it and you know this is a good article I disagree with a lot of it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► think we don't even know if you knew each other but you know I'd read you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► because you're smart and district discrete arguments but this is the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► the bad and the ugly which is classic dick move he left it was when I V left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► relates to lay with a replacement for the sofa again but you have it you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► a couple of this is really actually bother to rate like a million words you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► had invented an essential aspect of Mac OS 10 successes it didn't merely ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► ship with discernible momentum it got better both in terms of performance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► usability steadily and under regular schedule first public pays it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► each of these 10 22 you go on to say I feel like a jackass quoting you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► yourself but that's right it's it's my 11 year old self so it's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► different person this one major update peruse schedule is an essential aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► of Pakistan success the general perception is macros 10 is just good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► that is getting its good and getting better at perception seems to be held I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► just buy the Mac I think it's an incredibly astute point you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► rest of the article I can argue with you about life but you you specifically call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► up the yearly schedule I'll say this I don't think you're in disagreement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► and that was it was the first few years of Pakistan it was definitely very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► annual I mean the first release was six months to 10 one came out really needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► to talk to people who worked on it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► forestry always gentiles was it ten 110 113 they just gave it away any actor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► dealer was an apology they wouldn't burn you a DVD just give it to you and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► was after that though they were still selling them for $129 each you exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► how old I remember being shocked when they started dropping the price of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► 229 books compared to Windows seems reasonable to me but now it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► but I see the thing is though is that you like in those 10 12 10 3 10 4 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► forget when it slowed down and dropped off the annual cycle maybe around 10 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► but they were it was it was two steps forward one step back it was just two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► steps forward year after year after year and there wasn't any kind of but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► there might have been niggling details here and there if we went back and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► Syracuse's you know about what it was but they were nichols' there wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► major fundamental things that were here here's a big new thing intend to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► didn't ship like totally not working it shipped at work and it was like oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► is about spot later some weird little something that was broken in the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► know the first you know the GSM version and needed a bug fixes are always bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► and and Syracuse it yet to find a garbage but nobody nobody was arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► though that nobody was arguing in the 10 12 10 to 10 3 10 4 that Apple is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► I think it was more like what I said in the article that while this they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► really on fire and they're just improving well you did at the start of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► the article and I'm trying to find it now because they don't misquote you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► you you said something about copious suffered touching the announcement also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► indicates that the change was more than two jeweler and that certainly will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► taking on responsibility for day-to-day management of the company's copious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► suffered projects which at the time did not raise an eyebrow no yes completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► correction now that's kind of funny just thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► have the scope and scale has changed this is great pizza guy employer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► everybody go read this piece I it was a different time for sure and it was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► peace was also I remember when I wrote it it was trying to catch up from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► fact that during fireball didn't start until 2002 and a lot of the next the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► guys from next versus old guys from the Mac side friction was mostly played out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► around 99 2000 2001 I had during fireball to do it a little bit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► like reading this you should be like really are we still doing this right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► I don't disagree with understand a lot of the prospective I still like to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► hindsight you know in and say that it all worked out for the better but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► said this before that I still like to think that the Apple next combination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► and some people call it a reverse takeover and yeah yeah but at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► executive level it did happen its terms of Steve and his people he picked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► directly report to him it was mostly but it's still early it's a marriage in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► next people into the shower was already there and shoulders state johnnie I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► there and steve has said you can depict him out of the way he went in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► Steve went into the industrial design group having looked at Apple shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► products and drawn an estimation of the quality of their industrial design it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► I'm going after going here in fire all of these people walked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► and met Johnny I've and saw the stuff that johnnie I've had wanted to ship it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► was like holy shit is a goldmine these guys are geniuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► you know you know to be harder to computers at the time Apple is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► shipping some beautiful stuff go look at it be G 32 66048 it had that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► cyber thing in the way that the panel came up with that little green flash the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► policy could access the interior I have anybody making PCs I had a PowerMac 9600 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4550">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► kind of you get with the chip was in that US 60 for PowerPC add them access I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► think it was before there were rumors of an upcoming 620 that I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► ever shipped and they did they went to the G three instead I 2604 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► but I had that same thing though where you can access the case internals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► without like tools and stuff like that you could take it apart not needing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► screwdriver i mean and yeah and everything was super neatly organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► inside it was like a library and it's a here's where you'd put crammed in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► as we do so if you wanted to add RAM or change the Rams take out your you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► your one megabyte Sams members and replace them with two gigabytes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► whatever it was easy and clips were nice it didn't feel like you're breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► everything was great especially at come from history of building mount PCs which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► was awful time but you know neediest cases cannot be and yes this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► exact opposite I remember my friends tracks are built from scratch PC and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► day they ran it literally with the top open they just left it unscrewed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► a box fan like an actual like the thing to put your window they put a box next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► to it I had just to one up you saw a bill to second PC so that I could play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► like network games and I didn't buy a case literally had a motherboard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4673">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► mother the mother sitting atop I swear to God and it sounds like I'm just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► make this up it was sitting atop an old issue macworld magazine long behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► there there is a motherboard with a VGA card like literally carried a networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► and I think that was it it was just too much and you know where it was in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► closet in my apartment and my friends are going there and likes it on a milk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► crate and we'd play Age of Empires won the best three hundred bucks at spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► ac3 be 00 before they put I don't even that didn't happen but anyway I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► going is that whatever their pickups were you know the friction years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► friction between two different cultures to I like to think of it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► reunification that the the next side jobs created clearly had Apple DNA I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► couldn't agree more just you know but then they were separated by years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► you know again at the draught 22 dramatic an analogy but like East [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► Germany and West Germany but then when the wall came down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► yeah it was rough for a couple of years because it's been so different on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► two sides but germans know so I told a great so I came to this from the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► point of view if not actually having been super invested in next and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► read you in syracuse and disagreements on the technical issues but you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► right I think we share the same philosophy in a lot of ways I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► we're all pretty much of one minded by this point right yeah I get insatiable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► desire for nice things right and white what you would tribute to being a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► thing i think is changed over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► yeah but ultimately it's the same like you say it like a DNA right and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► once the initial frictions off but I really years though I had very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► opinions on issues and almost always erred on the side of the traditional Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► our side of the argument ya name extensions versus you know typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► yeah you got it so often Baghdad now right I totally right path the stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► addressing files by path instead of file I D Nicklas ok with 20 year old argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► at this point to get it right but ultimately if people have done what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► did we start no I don't think so I think I would have gotten to where we are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► anyway it's just where you are now well I don't know what did I say that I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► NOT click this is a cool looking at the website of it and this is really unfair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► I don't have anything from this period that you can call me on to being stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► and I'm sure ways and I don't think this is stupid but you literally very I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► claiming that new karen was perfect in every way and not in any position to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► make such judgments that's great but by all accounts the idea of using new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► kernel method mock was never even considered by two billion no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► eventually which the act because swapping on a new kernel remember was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► designed from the outset as a colonel to power future our PC based Mac operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► superior peres management continuing weak spot in Mac OS it was at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► you were completely correct now very true they saw so again they solved it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► a different way you know you could say that right but I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► it was wrong and just saying but it was true that the commentary was different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► because there was a cultural divide the kernel stuff is probably but no I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► know but another part to those i'd i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► wasn't I didn't know enough about how the next system and I was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► it more from like the open perspective maybe that was marked you but I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► that was a little bit more abstract where it ran on Solaris it was marking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► yeah it could well but that because like that open step ran on Solaris I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► that Coco that the color you know and I that's what I thought that more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► was I was thinking was that why couldn't they take Coco and do new kernel what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► they did to get it running maybe that was a terrible idea maybe that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► know that's what I don't know why I honestly dunno I i think you can always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► probably right because they even had even had the cocoa later on when does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► that mean that was they were missing and they've they actually thought maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► they'd still ship that at first they were going to ship the yellow box from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► India I mean did the open simply the cocoa later today can ship on a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5034">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► different sizes and to be honest probably will in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► eventually gonna swap out the underpinnings I i shouldn't be passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► judge and again from a computer so you literally say I am NOT in any position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► to make judgments and you said it back in 2002 really not trying to be a dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► about it but it's worth it discussion right but there was it was a I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► expressing the frustrations from a lot of people in New within apple who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► there you know from the Mac side who knew that maybe that's just one example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► but that there was a lot of Mac stuff that wasn't even considered you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► just because it was you know if it wasn't for the next item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► yes and the only stuff that did survive the stuff that Nexon even have Quicktime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► famously survived not because of QuickTime had a great AP I could come at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► a horrible epi talk to anybody who have a program tonight and they get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► shakes but it was the fact that next in have anything they didn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► multimedia yeah they you know they needed you know QuickTime gave them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► something they didn't even have a chance to be pleased with the court's yeah when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► I was a big win because quick draw was much better if they did they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► right right that was just you know that that was when I don't remember being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► contentious though there might have been some of the best move should they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► with 10 for sure right and that you know the quick dry having been designed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► technically amazing things in 1984 1985 computers was not did not make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► yeah so yes of course the composite in Windows 7 was where it's time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► yeah and at the time and was frustrated with Syracuse's we'd use because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► complain about resizing windows of every size with lifelike images to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5154">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► classic Mac OS outline thing and I was a because it's cool and awesome but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► come to see the product preview of it we're starting at five frames per second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► is not tenable I remember at the time I was the years that I was working at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► bare-bones software we get new developer basis of 10 and install them on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► really good hardware and it wasn't like we were installing it on TV stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► I remember watching Jim Korea is now a group with all the gym had just opened a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► window and first he would grab the corner and resize it really really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5208">TS</a>]
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01:27:20 ◼ ► even if it is painfully slow to 2006 Apple making the first version of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5240">TS</a>]
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01:30:09 ◼ ► may be in some if not a decline like they've hit a permanent plateau [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5409">TS</a>]
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01:31:09 ◼ ► this episode we're talking about is Apple doing too much per year maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5469">TS</a>]
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01:32:31 ◼ ► today on October 7 the data comes from October 5th two days ago and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5551">TS</a>]
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01:33:34 ◼ ► it is that people out there feel like they've either had bad experiences in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5614">TS</a>]
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01:33:57 ◼ ► you know I as i said i told Adrian not acted and she'd already heard people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5637">TS</a>]
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01:34:24 ◼ ► a West releases like that it seems inevitable that that it's going to slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► the pace of adoption which is not in Apple's interests and it's not in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/5668">TS</a>]
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01:40:35 ◼ ► Apple brand is we make good stuff and it lasts at least into terms of technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► world last long and anything that anything that goes against that is off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► the brand and off the message and off the relationship that they want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► with their customers so I really think that that whole idea that that that its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► planned obsolescence that new versions of iOS run poorly or less even less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► devices such as wrong because I know from the people I know that Apple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► I know that Apple would quit if they were told they make this runs low on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► iPhone really I mean that sincerely with a friend at WWDC you will decide about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6070">TS</a>]
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01:41:22 ◼ ► something like that I would just immediately would pack up my stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► because I get a job somewhere else am I gonna do you know why would I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► something like that you know even though it's not what you said but I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► no respect for myself but Apple AAPL if anything Apple is Dec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► attention yeah you start being like you know what cripple a phone in a year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► judge me on either can get elsewhere like its fine these people can get a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6113">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► where they want the people I know an apple or the opposite where they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► take pride in the fact that you know I worked on you know I don't know I worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6124">TS</a>]
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01:42:15 ◼ ► with you right and that's like a feather in my cap that it's you know 100% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► somebody is trying to make things right and i think that this thing to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► to this you know that the upgrade pace is apparently significantly off year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► over year is to me a guy said the canary in the coal mine that those sort of hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► if you keep doing this it's gonna affected that it's come to fruition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► I feel like it to sprint to that is destroyed like a little bit off in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► soma stumbling at this point right and instead of saying like hey this could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► happen you know it's actually happening and we're seeing you know the last lap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6175">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► around the track was slower right that's not justice not just you and I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6181">TS</a>]
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01:43:19 ◼ ► and there's a couple of somebody else has stated that backs up to mix panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► but the stuff from Apple I trust ya I mean it's the numbers I kinda had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► imagined you can hold them to their phone numbers that I don't know why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► wouldn't want to I think I think that it's not like I don't think it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► late I don't think they can not turn you know but I feel though that they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► a shift priorities suddenly in favor of higher quality even at the expense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► doing less in the same amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► well I mean is it too late for the next cycle I don't know I don't know mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6235">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► fuhrman reported that they've got 8.1 8.2 and 8.3 intestine which is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► than most previous years they've only done a point one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► and I you know who knows if that's the case or not it was unclear from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► report how much of that was just coming from user agent strings that that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► saw at 9 to 5 Mac and Google Analytics which are usually fake yeah I'm has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► into it but he also suggested though that he'd spoken to people who backed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► that up 8.2 he's great he's got good sourcing allow the time I'm hesitant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► you know to describe anything to version numbers like you know did just 26 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► process i believe i phone 672 679 does not matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► those things don't get a signed in the code names were weird to the plus was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► end 56 62 64 send 61 hadn't heard so spit I think we've booked until their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6306">TS</a>]
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01:45:25 ◼ ► and plus is in 56 doesn't mean that the six came after there's no right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► doesn't mean that there were four iterations between it it is apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► just you know there's an open slot at 10:56 here take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► but people inside application really used to call him by this divide those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6344">TS</a>]
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01:46:00 ◼ ► whatever in world's the user agent string of the browser add-on as I let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► take a third brake will wrap up the show but I want to thank our third and final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6371">TS</a>]
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01:46:30 ◼ ► bunch of ways you can configure as a replacement for the Mac OS dark that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6390">TS</a>]
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01:47:00 ◼ ► Bureau as ten it's it's just a Mac utility it all written really native to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6420">TS</a>]
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01:47:27 ◼ ► like that you bar looks like software from someone who makes precision really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6447">TS</a>]
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01:47:40 ◼ ► if you listen to the talk show you might be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6460">TS</a>]
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01:47:48 ◼ ► dock to hold the Ctrl key on your keyboard why you scrub across absent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► target it replaces the CPU name of the app name with the CPU and RAM usage for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6474">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► each process running a dog you can spot unresponsive apps immediately a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► that's doing the spending of death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► get a flat rate in the rain the doc right away tons of customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► customization light and dark themes just like in Yosemite you can add favorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► for quick access to have its just show the absence of running and the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► he's right he's working like mad he's really just focused on this you bar 2.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► launched in July and has already been 30 updates and they sponsored the show last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► episode and he said the response from listeners has been phenomenal a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6516">TS</a>]
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01:48:45 ◼ ► just since last week has been blown away by how smart and enthusiastic and Alice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► at how good-looking the audience listens to the show is already had here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► Apple store business specialists emailed him because customers started asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► about you bar after her son and at a Japanese users spend it sent him an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► email saying that a typhoon was on its way to Japan which gave him free time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6548">TS</a>]
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01:49:16 ◼ ► of the user interface so now just since the last episode is it is now localized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► in Japanese due to a typhoon so hopefully everybody is OK from the type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► good news really really really interesting software I had not heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► this utility before and it's really really interesting I it's certainly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► for everybody that's the whole point of things like Doc replacements in and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► know launch bar and Alfred and and apps like that that that sort of thing is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► for everybody right Alfred are not supposed to replace spotlight for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► everybody spotlights the interface that's like that's for like hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► millions of people things like you bar is you know for geeks who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► customize really really interesting normally the app is 20 bucks which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► steal for software like this but here's the past where the code coupon code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► reader addition all one word like the the watch Gruber eEdition and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► 50% off meaning it's just 10 bucks 50% off 10 bucks for an amazing app from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► developer's clearly very very responsive to requests so I wouldn't be surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► if you looked at it and thought or just add one more thing maybe I would send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6631">TS</a>]
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01:50:46 ◼ ► Gruber eEdition nice like gold pure gold group has been it's been like a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► since the episode came out but that's a lot to happen yeah that these shims [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► awesome that's great and you know it's it's not even like a shocking because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► he's not like these kind of things i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► its reversibility like this is this is destined and intended four aces a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► yeah it's like you know BBEdit is not sure like 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► you need it you you know you need it is Apple is focusing on you know all across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► the board like that's the way to survive when Apple has a built-in app that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► busy Cal physicality gets by by doing more and better than the built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► calendar and yeah I mean you should you should note that the Mac so you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► gotta say we can do better but you have to look at it and say Apple's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6715">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► going to do something that sort of very very basic for the built-in get where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► you tell me I don't know I think we were talking about we're wrapping up I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► the discussion on the annual cycle yeah they where where where do we think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► they should go from here and I'll write about and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► honestly I think that at this point the I think one of the problems is they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► committed themselves doing a major revision every year and that is and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► done correctly I don't think you can commit yourself to doing as many new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► features per year as they have been committing themselves to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► integrating across all the product lines from the Mac to Iowa to the watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► eventually to the Apple TV stuff maybe that's a little you know it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► I I don't know what to do i mean maybe just get away from numbers at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► like this I need to be iris and I next year we're going to just be like years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► I don't know though I don't know either really don't know what will happen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► untenable field I see the center that of getting a reversion arms but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► other hand it's like I really don't know what version numbers mean to people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6830">TS</a>]
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01:54:04 ◼ ► you know the new number I don't know I mean he's not you know but I do want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► so that's a that's a great point but I do wonder instead internally and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► there's so involved in the industry and the particular way of looking at things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► and they see in new version number meaning major new features made it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► need you know and I know this is off the beaten path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► horse that's beaten on somebody's been beaten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► yeah but to compare them to compare software version numbers to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► automobile industry and nobody's confused when they say the new 2015 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6893">TS</a>]
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01:55:05 ◼ ► five years that they actually do like wow that's altogether new drivetrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► that's a new you know new body shape you know and in between you know the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► their incremental but they don't label them differently and they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► advertising more when there's a major new change right when they truly chap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► grade the body and make it look a lot more modern than it bigger and has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► major new technology in the engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► they might spend more on the ad campaign that year than they did the year before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► when it was an incremental version of the one before but they still just give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► it a new year and I just say it's the 2016 and you know and that seems to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► pretty well for them I don't know and I always thought that that was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► with Microsoft was going for when they went from Windows 32312 windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► ninety-five was the summer let's not bother people with and then windows 98 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6956">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► and then they you know I guess there is a Windows 2000 ran in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:06 ◼ ► directions with XP I think maybe because they were I think it was a good idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6966">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► you know they would announce something and then shipped here later I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► yeah that they were having they were and and that they weren't doing it annually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► in so you were still running Office 98 in the year 2001 and its old whereas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► it had just been a version number you might not think that whereas it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► seemed like and I don't know maybe there is something even it made it worse about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► crossing the millennium and still running you know maybe but I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► works 11 yeah that was awful I think Apple can I stepped in that exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:46 ◼ ► right so I beloved up to the same thing yeah I work 11 was was up to date up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7006">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► until and it's funny because some people still like it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► yeah show that's awkward date and a bit of a Microsoft know me and my cousin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► matter it's just the case that you know even the companies that are functioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► well it's just so take so long to ship big software projects so yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► know if getting rid of version numbers will be the problem I don't know if just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► doing less in each one and letting you know I guess other couple people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► called it having a snow leopard moment you know like Apple said with Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:27 ◼ ► Leopard but you know what a great but a great balls he lifted I can't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7047">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► any other company in the industry ever literally ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► had a big event saying we have nothing new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► we're just going to believe we're just gonna spend the next couple of months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► and you know we've spent the last few months I'm gonna keep me in the next few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► months you know cleaning up the foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► whichever wellness was effectively a misdirection because they had GCD did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► bunch of changes and yeah they had done but it was a user features yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► really hard to market right GCD Dec that wasn't just as she sees a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► example where ya think so yeah and I think Syracuse have pointed out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► perfectly in his review that you know no new features does not mean he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► nothing to write about if anything he had as much to write about his ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► before because he cares deeply about that sort of stuff but from like what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► you tell normal people who are just coming in for a new MacBook will what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► new in Snow Leopard it's well we've cleaned up under hood and it runs more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► it's better to write better as seen in conversation but it's you know it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► fact that the lot of engineering resources had been committed to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7134">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► devoted to things like GCD in dark and stuff like that that wasn't users facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► and you know again it's it's in a sense sometimes not even sometimes almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► always the best marketing is to be completely honest you know and even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► it sounds like a funny thing for tech company to say no new features I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► know what over well with everybody I know and I think in hindsight it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► great release I agreed but I do you know everybody you know and everybody I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► right did ya that's been a small window yeah but you know it is but think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► the people you know you know like with a dream-like with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► recommending that she not update wouldn't you like to be able to tell her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► next year when I was nine yet just go ahead and update its gonna make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► faster but really if you really believe that that was the case don't you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► that would go over well with her I mean I yeah like restoring a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7195">TS</a>]
01:59:59 ◼ ► shaken Stephanie narrative told kato 2880 to do it covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7199">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► can be good just a little bit of trepidation ya next year just for me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► do like I think like a lot of people like she had iTunes Match turned on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► she updated she got a new phone and she updated her she had the phone said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► Oliver music was there and then she went to the gym and there was like no musical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► as I got welcome to iTunes Match and she blame me because she just knows that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► don't work at Apple and I certainly nothing to do with iTunes Match but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► blames me that the cloud is just unreliable and I said hey I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:51 ◼ ► but I did as I turned off iTunes Match and I have all the music I want it on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7251">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► computer and I just sync to iTunes feel passionately as I see your phone turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► off iTunes Match plugged into a Mac and sink in said put all of her music on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► and now older music is there and she never gonna complaining it but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:09 ◼ ► love to have been able to say to her yet just upgrade to Iowa State and it fixes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7269">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► yeah that makes sense to me i i haven't actually used iTunes Match but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► little things with the cloud stuff that works like yeah that's what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► like I used to really worry about back in a fight inside because I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7286">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► and it died I'd be screwed that's mostly no longer the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► yeah yeah I don't care about a new device gotta love it least it lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► everything that everybody can watch and I you know I can buy my new phone and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► can watch seen around on it as a body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► so I don't really care about them well I think music not to go to lighten the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7317">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► tension but I think music is very different from movies because with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► movies if you you know you don't necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► there's no real good reason to have all of your movies with you all the time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► your local device really the only time I worry but yeah something and even then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:27 ◼ ► you're probably a load a handful of them and you can't stand to see their way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7347">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► whereas you know what I listen to music for the next 90 minutes and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► have any of it on your device it you know it's a pain in the ass if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► to sit there and wait for the most part the stuff does still just work where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► get a new device and sign in here if you don't restore from a backup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:52 ◼ ► designing your iCloud account and you say what was that book that I book and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7372">TS</a>]
02:02:56 ◼ ► wanted to look back up there isn't it the club unjust comes down but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7376">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► doesn't always work sometimes it just download get stuck so what's your take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:09 ◼ ► on this yearly update thing you know John group in 2002 he seemed to think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7389">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► was a great idea I think what like what would you be here they have you seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► this discussion now you know if you had to be this piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► well not to appease plywood and I think that they I think that they should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► there I think the annual pace is probably fine and actually probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► helps keep them in check but I think that they should consider doing less per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:40 ◼ ► year and polishing more and if they can figure out a way to let some ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7420">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► operate you know well if you get it done then you're in but if you don't but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► maybe not advertising them it w maybe promising less at WWDC and maybe slating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7434">TS</a>]
02:04:02 ◼ ► or a 9.2 update in March 2016 that it does make it hard for developers and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7442">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► makes it hard for custom more importantly from Apple customers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► you need to I think the reason that they stick to hard version numbers is it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► is the gate through functionality right and it is and so many other things our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► annual at Apple the phones come out on an annual basis and for competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► reasons they really do need to because their competitors come out with new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► Apple only come out with one set of new phones every year is slow compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► everybody else in industry and it will take place but it it's delivered and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► delivered in an industry where there's not much deliberation where it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:52 ◼ ► soon you know if you can ship it less shipping see if people buy but Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7492">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► very deliberative and a half to be but then they run the things we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► sell hundred-million of the same thing here they need to be able to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► hundred million of every single component you know they need to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► hundred million a chip hundred-million of the new you know eighty retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:15 ◼ ► displays in two different sizes etc etc it every single thing in the box but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7515">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► hardware runs on doesn't run on a yearly cycle though that's the thing they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:25 ◼ ► out every year but they're in the works for longer than a year a lot longer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7525">TS</a>]
02:05:30 ◼ ► a year which is why it's taken them a little bit to longer than the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7530">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► would dictate to come out with bigger phones because it's you know if it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► two years to make a new iPhone they didn't get to commit to these phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:44 ◼ ► like the iPhone seven or whatever you wanna call nature's years maybe but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7544">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► more than a year it's so maybe it's not quite two years maybe more later but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:55 ◼ ► the team that doing next year's iPhones is already long day at work force you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7555">TS</a>]
02:06:03 ◼ ► I don't know I mean I'm sure you know but just to listen up there it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7563">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► funny when you talk to people who work at Apple because they have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:11 ◼ ► happened in what police know they actually do like to gather more for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7571">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► it's a guy was done with that six months a year before you ever sides right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:28 ◼ ► and that they don't know what's going to be called to have no idea they honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7588">TS</a>]
02:06:33 ◼ ► don't know and so that really is what confuses it for them historically is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7593">TS</a>]
02:06:37 ◼ ► that while they were working on stuff they don't know what it was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7597">TS</a>]
02:06:39 ◼ ► called and so in hindsight back to three years they don't they just know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7599">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► should remember what products something she did they have to remind them they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:52 ◼ ► like oh really that's interesting so now I don't think the annual schedule is off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► but I think that they need to pace themselves better I don't know but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:02 ◼ ► like I said maybe the optimistic take is that iOS aid because it introduced all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7622">TS</a>]
02:07:06 ◼ ► this you think this was an aggressor julie's follow and that preceded by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7626">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► maybe that'd be great you know I think it's it'll be interesting to see how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:21 ◼ ► somebody comes out I i've been running the G em i think its pretty good but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7641">TS</a>]
02:07:29 ◼ ► don't think we're heading towards about it but yeah but in terms of quality I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7649">TS</a>]
02:07:36 ◼ ► don't think it's going to be a problem like I was a known less words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7656">TS</a>]
02:07:39 ◼ ► famous last words I guess but I don't think so I think I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7659">TS</a>]
02:07:47 ◼ ► yeah and and while I have some issues with their doing think you can be adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7667">TS</a>]
02:07:53 ◼ ► that the two lived allure pieces like kids it's weird but I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7673">TS</a>]
02:08:03 ◼ ► need to take the nights that I know and I think it also passes the every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7683">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► go back to Mavericks now I think it looks really outdated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:12 ◼ ► I'm never larry was saying is that it brings me back to Windows Vista which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7692">TS</a>]
02:08:21 ◼ ► and whoever did that if you listening and you find me I will buy you lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7701">TS</a>]
02:08:30 ◼ ► yeah that sucks we all afternoon and now iOS and Mac OS you just totally against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7710">TS</a>]
02:08:40 ◼ ► everything a lovely time everything is blurry and that goes used he's not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7720">TS</a>]
02:08:47 ◼ ► the bottom glass you should be there is I don't want to go too divided in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7727">TS</a>]
02:08:53 ◼ ► hours we should wrap it up and wait till actually ships before really getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7733">TS</a>]
02:08:57 ◼ ► yeah show but there is some weird stuff though where the way the apples doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7737">TS</a>]
02:09:02 ◼ ► and I know you agree the main thing is that what you have a translucent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7742">TS</a>]
02:09:10 ◼ ► is translucent whatever it reflects the color of your desktop regardless of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7750">TS</a>]
02:09:17 ◼ ► many windows are in between the front window in the desktop it is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7757">TS</a>]
02:09:23 ◼ ► I want to talk to you did this so let's just say you have an orange dust I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7763">TS</a>]
02:09:28 ◼ ► got it right now with with the the carpet from the shiny he does it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7768">TS</a>]
02:09:33 ◼ ► the window is the first most which is completely ok right it is crap I i well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7773">TS</a>]
02:09:45 ◼ ► people people have been here my description and then they're gonna file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7785">TS</a>]
02:09:49 ◼ ► it away and I think I can't quite be like that but then everybody's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7789">TS</a>]
02:09:52 ◼ ► upgrade to yosemite in a couple of weeks a week or two and then the river was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7792">TS</a>]
02:09:57 ◼ ► right but it's like so if you just imagine you have one window open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7797">TS</a>]
02:10:02 ◼ ► that's how Apple all their screen shot shows just one window at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7802">TS</a>]
02:10:05 ◼ ► this translucent part chose the colors blurred shows the colors of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7805">TS</a>]
02:10:10 ◼ ► underlying desktop picture through so if you have like an orange top pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7810">TS</a>]
02:10:14 ◼ ► orange blurry but then if you have Windows in between the front window in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7814">TS</a>]
02:10:20 ◼ ► the desktop and they're all white like this is say they're all txt Edit windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7820">TS</a>]
02:10:24 ◼ ► but there are stacked on top of each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7824">TS</a>]
02:10:26 ◼ ► the sidebars so large it somehow right I can imagine the discussion that led to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7826">TS</a>]
02:10:36 ◼ ► this where I can imagine a discussion where the idea was started well we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7836">TS</a>]
02:10:40 ◼ ► make it you know you make it see through make a translucent and it was all based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7840">TS</a>]
02:10:43 ◼ ► on just like one window on the desktop and then somebody was like but what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7843">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► you have Windows in between Jackson right what if there was room with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:53 ◼ ► window and instead of saying we should start right they would just be like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7853">TS</a>]
02:10:59 ◼ ► then it would be it would just be gray and instead and somebody will be dull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7859">TS</a>]
02:11:04 ◼ ► and it will lose that was that phrase a keeper using those shows the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7864">TS</a>]
02:11:07 ◼ ► of your desktop and then somebody somebody said well it'll still show here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7867">TS</a>]
02:11:14 ◼ ► to top colors and that's what they might happen I don't understand there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7874">TS</a>]
02:11:23 ◼ ► logic to it maybe and maybe that's you know maybe they're going to two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7883">TS</a>]
02:11:30 ◼ ► like you and I as I want to see I wanted to work like somehow I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7890">TS</a>]
02:11:35 ◼ ► understand it visually in spatially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7895">TS</a>]
02:11:37 ◼ ► I want there to be rules I wanted to be like game and if this is see-through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7897">TS</a>]
02:11:43 ◼ ► than it should show whatever is behind it the rules are completely fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7903">TS</a>]
02:11:50 ◼ ► like now i'm looking at a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7910">TS</a>]
02:11:55 ◼ ► restrictions placed on this did ya get why did you as well made but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7915">TS</a>]
02:12:09 ◼ ► yeah I'm not sure I also I do feel to have predicted that the backlash is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7929">TS</a>]
02:12:18 ◼ ► going to be that Helvetica really is pretty choppy on non retina displays its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7938">TS</a>]
02:12:28 ◼ ► this is the what you're seeing in Yosemite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7948">TS</a>]
02:12:32 ◼ ► name for it really did not like a name for the team anymore so I called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7952">TS</a>]
02:12:36 ◼ ► anything but the USMNT you know look and feel the chrome is its forward-thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7956">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► to win all Macs are gonna have redness quality displays which i think is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:46 ◼ ► and and I think you're trying to avoid link I know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7966">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► yeah it's it's a different thing yeah I think it's the right time and again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:56 ◼ ► just you know you said with the whole compositing system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7976">TS</a>]
02:12:59 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 10.0% your lumps but then when the hardware catches up we're already be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7979">TS</a>]
02:13:07 ◼ ► ready and you know I feel like I feel like the whole yosemite look and feel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7987">TS</a>]
02:13:13 ◼ ► so clearly optimized for retina and then made secondhand to look as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7993">TS</a>]
02:13:18 ◼ ► possible on on right now as opposed to the other way around where up until now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/7998">TS</a>]
02:13:22 ◼ ► the Mac interface has been non runner first and then it just looks kinda weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8002">TS</a>]
02:13:27 ◼ ► on not that it looks low res but that it just just odd I told him to be an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8007">TS</a>]
02:13:35 ◼ ► I am sitting in front of him Mac Pro Apple and screen right and can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8015">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► simply look one day hopefully soon but no I told you I think it's fine I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8032">TS</a>]
02:14:01 ◼ ► every now and then there's gonna be a jump and something is gonna be degraded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8041">TS</a>]
02:14:07 ◼ ► and you know to bring it back to the peace did we talked about previously and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8047">TS</a>]
02:14:15 ◼ ► tickner 2034 every now and then you take it you take your lumps take a step back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8055">TS</a>]
02:14:21 ◼ ► and it lets you sort of moving to the future and I think you somebody's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8061">TS</a>]
02:14:30 ◼ ► to lose my job to link output and Schoenherr to link up that article and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8070">TS</a>]
02:14:39 ◼ ► disagree with a ninety percent of this because it's easy to say now and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8079">TS</a>]
02:14:46 ◼ ► it they did at the time but again but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8086">TS</a>]
02:14:49 ◼ ► like a lot of this is probably gone right where at least history didn't bail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8089">TS</a>]
02:14:53 ◼ ► you out but this is a camp treating you and this is one of the reasons why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8093">TS</a>]
02:15:00 ◼ ► like this is this is a very smart piece very well considered I disagree with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8100">TS</a>]
02:15:04 ◼ ► conclusions a lot of it though is our stuff they could never really be settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8104">TS</a>]
02:15:09 ◼ ► yeah I know my name extensions filename extensions is perfect and the passes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8109">TS</a>]
02:15:15 ◼ ► another one the file past things to add a kid I could do another show yes some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8115">TS</a>]
02:15:22 ◼ ► point I mean we had we had software update errs in the nineties from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8122">TS</a>]
02:15:26 ◼ ► classic Mac OS that no matter where you put the application on your hard disk if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8126">TS</a>]
02:15:30 ◼ ► you ran the updater it would find it because it would find the app by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8130">TS</a>]
02:15:33 ◼ ► identifier and then update the app to the latest version so you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8133">TS</a>]
02:15:38 ◼ ► put it in a special folder and remember I forget what happened was it was i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8138">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► photo one of the I like iTunes and iPhoto but the the next guys wrote an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:48 ◼ ► updater in like 2002 or 2003 or so and so do you know what it really is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8148">TS</a>]
02:15:55 ◼ ► very next article in their own fault finding out you had you had a nice out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8155">TS</a>]
02:16:01 ◼ ► but he did yeah you'd run the iTunes updater and if you rename the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8161">TS</a>]
02:16:15 ◼ ► hardness if you done anything clever at all which is because it was making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8175">TS</a>]
02:16:22 ◼ ► assumptions about the paths yeah it's only a trend of various who went on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8182">TS</a>]
02:16:38 ◼ ► games and all that kind of stuff do you know the game talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8198">TS</a>]
02:16:42 ◼ ► ok so I and my belief is one of his first gigs with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8202">TS</a>]
02:16:49 ◼ ► they can't forget that installer and his things to fix it I know I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8209">TS</a>]
02:17:08 ◼ ► laughing at the guy should have you know what I was hiking the way that you say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8228">TS</a>]
02:17:15 ◼ ► really had it out for your opinion back then I don't know what you did in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8235">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► hindsight I feel a little immature even higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:25 ◼ ► yeah it was pennies yeah yeah and then hindsight you know has helped turn out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8245">TS</a>]
02:17:36 ◼ ► around and even acknowledging the article even acknowledging the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8256">TS</a>]
02:17:45 ◼ ► next reunification him and they were outstanding by so is 29 whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8265">TS</a>]
02:17:54 ◼ ► especially especially a point I think 80 anyone at 8.50 8.50 as big as I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8274">TS</a>]
02:18:03 ◼ ► put quick draw on PowerPC yeah definitely if you with my classic there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8283">TS</a>]
02:18:14 ◼ ► was a lot of good work down there and it was all under him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8294">TS</a>]
02:18:18 ◼ ► yeah but I acknowledge that the day you did they don't understand the animosity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8298">TS</a>]
02:18:25 ◼ ► file extensions was it like it just a narrative device which is cool I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8305">TS</a>]
02:18:39 ◼ ► know I was a little bit and I was a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8319">TS</a>]
02:18:42 ◼ ► less hesitant to go a little over the top you know to to fill the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8322">TS</a>]
02:18:49 ◼ ► because I didn't have a big audience it was a very small I didn't think I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8329">TS</a>]
02:18:56 ◼ ► never have expected that he and maybe did I don't know but I you know where is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8336">TS</a>]
02:19:01 ◼ ► now today I know that if I wrote something like that that Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8341">TS</a>]
02:19:05 ◼ ► read it and not afraid to rein in the critical someone an apple but yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8345">TS</a>]
02:19:12 ◼ ► want to have my ducks in a row make sure that it is it is not over the top I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8352">TS</a>]
02:19:16 ◼ ► wanted to be at the exact right level of yet these days to post to me are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8356">TS</a>]
02:19:21 ◼ ► literally fireballs yeah which is not to say that you don't love him now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8361">TS</a>]
02:19:28 ◼ ► don't take that away from me but this is just wrong that I think he would be now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8368">TS</a>]
02:19:36 ◼ ► I think you've been measured and it's like my use of the word jackets where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8376">TS</a>]
02:19:44 ◼ ► yeah and I don't think I never once regretted it a little bit but I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8384">TS</a>]
02:19:50 ◼ ► those jackets of the weakest trying it was funny but it was usually people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8390">TS</a>]
02:19:54 ◼ ► being jackasses but it got to the point where I realize though that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8394">TS</a>]
02:19:58 ◼ ► people who I would call jackass the week when you google them the first hit was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8398">TS</a>]
02:20:02 ◼ ► me calling him a jackass is I don't but I did me know but I always meant though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8402">TS</a>]
02:20:09 ◼ ► but when I said someone was being a jackass that they were literally being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8409">TS</a>]
02:20:13 ◼ ► jackass they were being willfully ignorant to see this particular choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8413">TS</a>]
02:20:18 ◼ ► bad writing but I you come up with I use it WAY less frequently now though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8418">TS</a>]
02:20:26 ◼ ► because I know that you know during fireball is more widely read more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8426">TS</a>]
02:20:30 ◼ ► influential enough said his decision right right in the same way where if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8430">TS</a>]
02:20:35 ◼ ► criticism of like an apple or something like that I try I try to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8435">TS</a>]
02:20:42 ◼ ► but without being you know dole I don't hold back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8442">TS</a>]
02:20:47 ◼ ► know me best way I can put it i dont wanna go over the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8447">TS</a>]
02:20:51 ◼ ► wanna get right to the top I wanna make sure it actor whereas in the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8451">TS</a>]
02:20:55 ◼ ► I was felt free to go over the top because I didn't feel that they were any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8455">TS</a>]
02:20:59 ◼ ► repercussions from ya and I don't mean to the club critic but so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8459">TS</a>]
02:21:05 ◼ ► second piece but I V immediately after the other one finding out literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8465">TS</a>]
02:21:11 ◼ ► stretch with a handful of readers email to complain about Monday's mixed review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8471">TS</a>]
02:21:15 ◼ ► of civilians legacy at Apple's vice president engineering and you just ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8475">TS</a>]
02:21:25 ◼ ► on which is one of the reasons I can totally disagree with this game but good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8485">TS</a>]
02:21:32 ◼ ► work you know where these articles are way down in New York their way back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8492">TS</a>]
02:21:41 ◼ ► you I will we should end the show but I will put them in the show notes or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8501">TS</a>]
02:21:44 ◼ ► least you can keep reading next previous article to yeah but I'm 2003 yes you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8504">TS</a>]
02:22:06 ◼ ► so this is variably could probably pretty inside baseball I loved the then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8526">TS</a>]
02:22:18 ◼ ► flipped lattice opinion on the watch introduction I think I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8538">TS</a>]
02:22:22 ◼ ► great I really did and it and its peak I mean I am only bringing up these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8542">TS</a>]
02:22:29 ◼ ► miracles back in the day of this and I sometimes we dance pieces can disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8549">TS</a>]
02:22:39 ◼ ► but so well thought-out good you know various market ya know I reminds me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8559">TS</a>]
02:22:48 ◼ ► the thing I just like two weeks ago linked to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8568">TS</a>]
02:22:51 ◼ ► Jason freed peace basis was addressing thirties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8571">TS</a>]
02:22:57 ◼ ► base camp and at thirty-seven seconds but came in and did like a Q&A and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8577">TS</a>]
02:23:01 ◼ ► the first person say here's how you can be right time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8581">TS</a>]
02:23:06 ◼ ► be willing to change my love to you know because you'll be wrong and change and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8586">TS</a>]
02:23:11 ◼ ► then it was just funny and Ben Ben did that with the white ribbon had a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8591">TS</a>]
02:23:16 ◼ ► almost skating initial take on it and then we could talk himself into being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8596">TS</a>]
02:23:21 ◼ ► one of the biggest proponent out there and there was a similar thing with Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8601">TS</a>]
02:23:28 ◼ ► Jobs and Tim Cook and came out after Steve died but attempts first ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8608">TS</a>]
02:23:34 ◼ ► conference he said he was he was the world's biggest in the world but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8614">TS</a>]
02:23:41 ◼ ► what made him great was one day he tell you this is a terrible idea it off on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8621">TS</a>]
02:23:44 ◼ ► any committee next day and say I have a great idea and it was your idea that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8624">TS</a>]
02:23:51 ◼ ► know that his refute you know that he was open anything you know we're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8631">TS</a>]
02:23:54 ◼ ► gonna make an iTunes for Windows ok we'll make ideas for us and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8634">TS</a>]
02:23:58 ◼ ► know you know iPod from windows becomes a huge hit over and over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8638">TS</a>]
02:24:05 ◼ ► and then just comes up with people who you know have quote Steve Jobs saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8645">TS</a>]
02:24:10 ◼ ► that you know eight inch tablets are terrible idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8650">TS</a>]
02:24:13 ◼ ► nobody's ever gonna be a big phone but proved that Apple's doing things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8653">TS</a>]
02:24:17 ◼ ► wouldn't have done under Steve Jobs no I mean it's you know the market changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8657">TS</a>]
02:24:21 ◼ ► you know it well that's good and change yeah exactly that's putting it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8661">TS</a>]
02:24:30 ◼ ► there is huge I think it is an error to canonize Steve Jobs the guy I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8670">TS</a>]
02:24:41 ◼ ► you know his is not the word of God not set in stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8681">TS</a>]
02:24:46 ◼ ► well it's that word the word from that to give too much actual religion into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8686">TS</a>]
02:24:52 ◼ ► bill with the Catholic Church infallibility right yeah right the pope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8692">TS</a>]
02:24:59 ◼ ► has held his infallible and you know it's it's a real problem because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8699">TS</a>]
02:25:05 ◼ ► know human beings aren't actually infallible but did you know but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8705">TS</a>]
02:25:08 ◼ ► a tendency among many to view and it's funny because it comes from both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8708">TS</a>]
02:25:12 ◼ ► also comes from like even like the DIR downgrade types who say I thought steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8712">TS</a>]
02:25:19 ◼ ► Jobs was infallible and he said nobody would buy a fine and you know and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8719">TS</a>]
02:25:26 ◼ ► also combined with the fact that was true in 2011 is not true in 2014 invites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8726">TS</a>]
02:25:31 ◼ ► I mean I believe this is in Victoria Street you know there was a guy telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8731">TS</a>]
02:25:40 ◼ ► a natural apple doesn't behave in a certain way and then the iowa AP was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8740">TS</a>]
02:25:50 ◼ ► chick i SAT and I think that should put she acted view of the way that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8750">TS</a>]
02:26:00 ◼ ► doesn't does not operate and where it will innovate where it will just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8760">TS</a>]
02:26:12 ◼ ► but where does the common you know implementation to lack of a better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8772">TS</a>]
02:26:20 ◼ ► to compatibility option right and I think you know with the following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8780">TS</a>]
02:26:25 ◼ ► extensions and credit cards and all of that I think Apple did case from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8785">TS</a>]
02:26:33 ◼ ► something that might have been better but they caved in order to achieve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8793">TS</a>]
02:26:38 ◼ ► compatibility and i notice he put that in 2008 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8798">TS</a>]
02:26:46 ◼ ► but a compatibility with the broader computing world and they did so in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8806">TS</a>]
02:26:50 ◼ ► to achieve the ability to communicate with the outside world better wish I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8810">TS</a>]
02:26:58 ◼ ► think Chris is smart choice given the time like communicating was just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8818">TS</a>]
02:27:03 ◼ ► to become essential I agree with that to some degree I I would at least say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8823">TS</a>]
02:27:10 ◼ ► there's a do it wasn't an unreasonable the other side of the argument wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8830">TS</a>]
02:27:14 ◼ ► unreasonable to think so which is why add value in syracuse and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8834">TS</a>]
02:27:21 ◼ ► value more and I just you know you know and again you might be right note that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8841">TS</a>]
02:27:26 ◼ ► in the long run it worked out better going with those decisions then and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8846">TS</a>]
02:27:30 ◼ ► know one of the reasons why is that ultimately resulted with iOS where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8850">TS</a>]
02:27:38 ◼ ► which i think is is it big proponent yeah that that's fine to me because then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8858">TS</a>]
02:27:45 ◼ ► it doesn't matter if under the hood it's a case-sensitive file system with file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8865">TS</a>]
02:27:50 ◼ ► extension would I think it's cases which is fine I would argue again said only if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8870">TS</a>]
02:27:58 ◼ ► they ever did that with the Mac where the filesystem matters raucous it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8878">TS</a>]
02:28:02 ◼ ► exposed to you but right to usual users right let you know I can conceive of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8882">TS</a>]
02:28:08 ◼ ► Mac 10 years from now maybe even last may be five years from now where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8888">TS</a>]
02:28:13 ◼ ► the file system is only for people who've install Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8893">TS</a>]
02:28:16 ◼ ► so I have a difference between the presentation versus the representation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8896">TS</a>]
02:28:21 ◼ ► right where presentation is what you see is a user and the representations WiMAX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8901">TS</a>]
02:28:26 ◼ ► is actually happening on disk anything found systems in a lot of ways and David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8906">TS</a>]
02:28:32 ◼ ► exposing have representation of exactly what's happening rather than you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8912">TS</a>]
02:28:41 ◼ ► projecting a view that it is more useful to the gym file system file name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8921">TS</a>]
02:28:49 ◼ ► extension as a user exposed feature has always been a bullshit it's awful it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8929">TS</a>]
02:28:56 ◼ ► two pieces of data makes anyone feel separated by carbon just a piece of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8936">TS</a>]
02:29:04 ◼ ► piece of text just a dot will turn sit in between right and so it's easily you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8944">TS</a>]
02:29:11 ◼ ► know it's easily it is easily changed you know if you want to but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8951">TS</a>]
02:29:17 ◼ ► can't take any times I've talked to people who thought that the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8957">TS</a>]
02:29:19 ◼ ► convert the ping to a JPEG is to erase the PNG and type jpg you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8959">TS</a>]
02:29:25 ◼ ► should actually work it should in theory that would be amazing if I could see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8965">TS</a>]
02:29:29 ◼ ► know should do that that's right it should say I notice you did that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8969">TS</a>]
02:29:35 ◼ ► you like me to change this to a JPEG I would be amazing but guess what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8975">TS</a>]
02:29:39 ◼ ► doesn't actually happening but people I can see why north to a normal person it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8979">TS</a>]
02:29:44 ◼ ► should work and to me it's just like well why not put the creation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8984">TS</a>]
02:29:49 ◼ ► modification date in there too and then you have to have a date and a name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8989">TS</a>]
02:29:52 ◼ ► file extension on no its exact same it's the file says same thing the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/8992">TS</a>]
02:30:03 ◼ ► has always had a field for the creation date and the modification date it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9003">TS</a>]
02:30:07 ◼ ► different from the name and never had never had a field for the type so and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9007">TS</a>]
02:30:11 ◼ ► should have a history of this no but I'm just saying that two pieces of data in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9011">TS</a>]
02:30:17 ◼ ► the same field is the Mac didn't suffer from that had something that was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9017">TS</a>]
02:30:23 ◼ ► graceful and it wasn't built for the future and it wasn't built for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9023">TS</a>]
02:30:26 ◼ ► compatibility with anybody else but they should have only replaced it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9026">TS</a>]
02:30:30 ◼ ► something that was better with something that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9030">TS</a>]
02:30:33 ◼ ► more primitive I think found a mixed engines were you didn't matter it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9033">TS</a>]
02:30:45 ◼ ► bill defeated into the correct at this before you know school stuff when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9045">TS</a>]
02:30:55 ◼ ► became apparent that we would have to file formats that would work in not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9055">TS</a>]
02:31:01 ◼ ► one application but in multiple applications extensions were born right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9061">TS</a>]
02:31:08 ◼ ► and the way the dead cat addressed with just being literally appended to the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9068">TS</a>]
02:31:12 ◼ ► of the funny it's the most pragmatic workmanlike thing you can do and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9072">TS</a>]
02:31:22 ◼ ► so obvious and so basic that I think pretty much universally it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9082">TS</a>]
02:31:28 ◼ ► adopted the Mac try to throw it off and I think ultimately failed because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9088">TS</a>]
02:31:34 ◼ ► didn't fit in command a market share that they could really make it happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9094">TS</a>]
02:31:40 ◼ ► you know but it wasn't really wasn't a problem for Mac users so when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9100">TS</a>]
02:31:45 ◼ ► download in the old days when you could download a file on the server those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9105">TS</a>]
02:31:51 ◼ ► coming from it didn't have any type code because it wasn't a Mac server it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9111">TS</a>]
02:31:56 ◼ ► just come down whatever software you downloaded with would look at the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9116">TS</a>]
02:32:00 ◼ ► extension and just put the right creator Kota are not greater could type it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9120">TS</a>]
02:32:06 ◼ ► what way to look at the mimetype given by the private mind and all the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9126">TS</a>]
02:32:14 ◼ ► browsers did all the FTP clients did it it was it wasn't as as much of a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9134">TS</a>]
02:32:19 ◼ ► as you would think it was it was it was not an issue known I am saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9139">TS</a>]
02:32:24 ◼ ► why did the file name extension thing exists and why I think you can explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9144">TS</a>]
02:32:29 ◼ ► it to anybody and anybody would get it yeah but i just i in hindsight to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9149">TS</a>]
02:32:35 ◼ ► the big thing isn't which side was right it's that everybody was wrong because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9155">TS</a>]
02:32:39 ◼ ► giving users access to the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9159">TS</a>]
02:32:42 ◼ ► in the first place i 100% right and it was what level of technical ability are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9162">TS</a>]
02:32:49 ◼ ► you expecting the people who do have access to the file system to have well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9169">TS</a>]
02:32:55 ◼ ► agree with you but I don't think it was wrong so much as a necessity at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9175">TS</a>]
02:33:13 ◼ ► 128 yeah ok whatever ways you didn't have to be sources in abstract storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9193">TS</a>]
02:33:23 ◼ ► system away right and I'm sure their minds I can't believe this were arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9203">TS</a>]
02:33:29 ◼ ► I don't know who are doing and not really but there's another factor too so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9209">TS</a>]
02:33:34 ◼ ► that techno 2034 said use file extensions I think it said use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9214">TS</a>]
02:33:39 ◼ ► instead of typing creator I'm not sure but it was what the problem is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9219">TS</a>]
02:33:46 ◼ ► broke the way millions of actual Mac users were using their Macs and Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9226">TS</a>]
02:33:52 ◼ ► users did they did that's how many shell on the corner of these days so I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9232">TS</a>]
02:33:59 ◼ ► it's a very small number I mean it was for a long long time the estimated user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9239">TS</a>]
02:34:04 ◼ ► base of active Mac users covered that's dangerous when it hovers instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9244">TS</a>]
02:34:10 ◼ ► grows and twenty twenty million yeah i dont wanna guested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9250">TS</a>]
02:34:16 ◼ ► 425 million yes I'll ok so maybe who knows who knows how many reas but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9256">TS</a>]
02:34:28 ◼ ► the idea but handy to hand-wringing over that that person and as a graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9268">TS</a>]
02:34:35 ◼ ► designer as an artist you assume that you could have files with the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9275">TS</a>]
02:34:39 ◼ ► extension that would open when you double-click would open in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9279">TS</a>]
02:34:42 ◼ ► apps you know that the ones you created in Photoshop would open Photoshop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9282">TS</a>]
02:34:47 ◼ ► in Table I would open in da belies I think that's a good feature i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9287">TS</a>]
02:34:52 ◼ ► this feature when you send that followed the network and simply tricyclic it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9292">TS</a>]
02:35:08 ◼ ► where it did make some problems I was just again this tradeoff is a better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9308">TS</a>]
02:35:12 ◼ ► me is it better for me to be able to have all my files open right in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9312">TS</a>]
02:35:15 ◼ ► Apple made them with or is it better for you when I give them to you that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9315">TS</a>]
02:35:19 ◼ ► actually like we could hit me again would say if you strip off to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9319">TS</a>]
02:35:22 ◼ ► occurred during transmitted panic plague transmission its nine you'd get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9322">TS</a>]
02:35:32 ◼ ► one based on your preferences when Defoe had been created code but the main point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9332">TS</a>]
02:35:37 ◼ ► it is the main point though is that none of these people in the graphic design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9337">TS</a>]
02:35:41 ◼ ► workflows should not have been built around direct access to the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9341">TS</a>]
02:35:44 ◼ ► file system you know there should have been something a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9344">TS</a>]
02:35:47 ◼ ► abstracted in the doorway iOS is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9347">TS</a>]
02:35:49 ◼ ► is ideal and it makes everybody happy I think so I mean it's literally a fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9349">TS</a>]
02:35:55 ◼ ► reboot grade and you know there's been missteps yeah but it's taken awhile to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9355">TS</a>]
02:36:01 ◼ ► get the document picking thing which is what everybody brings up is up now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9361">TS</a>]
02:36:06 ◼ ► back with a file system is not the file system a system like what did you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9366">TS</a>]
02:36:11 ◼ ► projection projection and i actually an on premise of the bad that often but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9371">TS</a>]
02:36:18 ◼ ► really think that projections debate with Dad I Cloud Drive on you simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9378">TS</a>]
02:36:26 ◼ ► does it right i think that this is not we are not looking too fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9386">TS</a>]
02:36:32 ◼ ► a projection of data Jess's is pulled up the photo picker don't think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9392">TS</a>]
02:36:40 ◼ ► files you think about the photos he's good and I think that this is the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9400">TS</a>]
02:36:45 ◼ ► way forward and it's not confusing it might be limiting it still is limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9405">TS</a>]
02:36:49 ◼ ► and until you know until the document picture it was definitely limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9409">TS</a>]
02:36:54 ◼ ► because to open the same image that was from it was in your photo in your camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9414">TS</a>]
02:36:59 ◼ ► roll to open it in after light or visco camp he would make a copy of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9419">TS</a>]
02:37:03 ◼ ► imported into their thing and then they would open in if you want to save it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9423">TS</a>]
02:37:06 ◼ ► back out you have to save a new copy back to the photo also you've got three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9426">TS</a>]
02:37:10 ◼ ► copies now your original the one in this Go cam Inman it was the filtered version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9430">TS</a>]
02:37:15 ◼ ► saved back to your camera obviously inefficient but didn't you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9435">TS</a>]
02:37:21 ◼ ► inefficient but it didn't you know at least protected people from blowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9441">TS</a>]
02:37:25 ◼ ► their photos apart and the new way you know is better its way cooler that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9445">TS</a>]
02:37:32 ◼ ► Invesco Canada saves right back to the same camel all it's great but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9452">TS</a>]
02:37:43 ◼ ► that's what that's the ultimate goal the whole you no idea that users are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9463">TS</a>]
02:37:48 ◼ ► gonna have direct access to the file system because so many things and I to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9468">TS</a>]
02:37:52 ◼ ► me the most telltale sign that it was a filing extension for about a day in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9472">TS</a>]
02:37:56 ◼ ► Mac was at the immediately defaulted to hiding them yeah and I mean it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9476">TS</a>]
02:38:04 ◼ ► where the file name extension and it made people so confused because in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9484">TS</a>]
02:38:10 ◼ ► old Mac in classic Mac OS if you had a file named portrait . jpg didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9490">TS</a>]
02:38:19 ◼ ► have the Dodge Jeep YouTube so you could just had you don't need to be a JPEG but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9499">TS</a>]
02:38:23 ◼ ► it would just be an importer and if you had another file you want to convert it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9503">TS</a>]
02:38:28 ◼ ► to a different format like pain or something like that you couldn't give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9508">TS</a>]
02:38:31 ◼ ► the same name you couldn't have to file name portrait same folder because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9511">TS</a>]
02:38:35 ◼ ► whereas all of a sudden a Mac OS 10 you can have portrait JPG and PNG in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9515">TS</a>]
02:38:41 ◼ ► same folder and they both said portrait and they both look like the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9521">TS</a>]
02:38:44 ◼ ► because extensions hittin you can't tell which is BS right so you know you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9524">TS</a>]
02:38:50 ◼ ► talking yourself in circles when you start saying that its ok we can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9530">TS</a>]
02:38:53 ◼ ► and then to avoid the confusion will hide it and you know hiding things never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9533">TS</a>]
02:38:58 ◼ ► the right idea i i agree with you and I did at the time I just think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9538">TS</a>]
02:39:03 ◼ ► magic solution but you know the truth is the reason I say that is distraught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9543">TS</a>]
02:39:10 ◼ ► fighting over which ways to be wrong because that Mac users shot themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9550">TS</a>]
02:39:15 ◼ ► in the foot with the file system to aid in different ways I feel that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9555">TS</a>]
02:39:23 ◼ ► as yet unsolved problem here I don't think exposing fascist go basically it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9563">TS</a>]
02:39:35 ◼ ► a developer the file system is a developer level yeah anyhow and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9575">TS</a>]
02:39:41 ◼ ► important you can be a good weekend we got on the nerd talk about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9581">TS</a>]
02:39:52 ◼ ► yeah let me let's give a big let's give a big pitch to the podcast because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzacC1E/9592">TS</a>]
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