102: ‘Maybe You Don’t Take an Apprentice’, With Dave Wiskus
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is this the show we gonna show you this show could be which 2015 mega franchise
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sequel news are you more excited about this week we've got star wars with a new
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trailer that came out like a week before Thanksgiving and we've got now as of
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today the day recording a title and cast for the 24th bond I said to me
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Star Wars and only because I've seen some of it getting the see the
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Millennium Falcon flying over some saying wherever that was tattooing or
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whatever it was that but you get chills
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pretty interesting to me because they're probably my two favorite franchises
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drawing a blank on anything else that you would call a franchise that I could
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put up there with them the world may be out there with them but the Marvel
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Cinematic Universe stuff I like that stuff but it is not does no Marvel movie
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that ever been announced that's gotten me anywhere near as excited as either of
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these that maybe it's because it's only getting maybe in 30 years I think
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someday Jonas when they reboot the marble slab generous would get that
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excited I don't know I know I would I just don't think that their of the
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calibre were you seen Guardian yea I wouldn't I wouldn't say that it's the
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caliber Star Wars but I'd say that that's the thing that i've seen in
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theaters lately that gave me anywhere near that same level of feeling yeah but
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it's still a guardian knowing the guardians of the galaxy Tues coming out
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when they when they announced the trailer whatever it is no way that i'm
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gonna be as excited as I am about either of these movies yeah that's cause he
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grew up with Star Wars well and group of James Bond maybe that's it I'm not even
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saying it because quality Anderson right
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Anderson it's just interesting to me though because they're the two my two
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favorite franchises and they're coming out in such close proximity to each
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other so Star Wars is dated December 2015 yet December and then was in
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november ninth for bonds are six there's something but it's a perfect day
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yeah I'm surprised that the bond movie it doesn't even start filming until
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Monday so it's gonna be in theaters in November I honestly thought that
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blockbuster action movies like that took more than here
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well they've they knew about the movie seems like the visual effects well done
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they've got to go and shoot it real quick
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effects are jammed but I guess it just goes to show how much longer production
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and clearly these are two franchises that are known for their high production
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values you know bonded and Star Wars yeah I think it just goes to show how
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much more time it takes to make a truly effects Laden film like Star Wars film
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then I mean obviously there's a lot of effects work in a Bond movie but a lot
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of the sets and everything are practical and so I guess it doesn't take that much
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longer to add it you know after shooting star wars will ya te visual thing not
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just that there's more visual effects but i dont im I haven't seen the script
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for the new Bond movie but I'm guessing that none of the characters are fully CG
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yeah I mean I hope there's no charger I guess I just as curious I just seems to
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seems the pace of Star Wars seems exactly right to me and I know that if I
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were a kid like when I was a kid and the Star Wars movies our new intern at first
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I thought it took impossibly long for each one to come out
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I I could not believe how did you know that way for years for the Empire
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Strikes Back and it was another two years for Return of the Jedi I couldn't
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believe I had to wait that long because I just add another patient but now that
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I'm an adult like ever since this new Star Wars movie was announced the whole
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thing where Lucas is selling it to Disney and you know that they have a new
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trilogy and gonna be you know basic just it's going to be the original you know
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cast thirty years later you know more or less the same anytime in the real world
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that passed since Star Wars is gonna be in their universe what it is and then
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they announced JJA Abrams was gonna direct and the writers in etcetera and
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the the schedule in just felt to me like this all seems fair this seems like a
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reasonable amount of time like this is proceeding at a reasonable pace and 2015
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sounds like a reasonable time for the movie to come out this bond movie that
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they're not shooting until Monday coming out 11 months from now that seems crazy
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you say that book episode 1 Phantom Menace came out in ninety nine and
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attack of the clones came out in 2001 and then come into the city motors in
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three sets two years between movie gotta figure they probably took a little bit
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of time off between
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so let's say let's say a year and a half due to do each one of those I guess I
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don't know it just you and those are i mean they had to make george are they
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hadn't made all those clones they had to do the i mean that there's a lot of not
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just make an explosion put it over here and do some green screen stuff but like
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fully realized well more less fully realize he characters that have to be
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enemy that little details I I can see it I can see how that would take longer if
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they can do that in a year and a half but it's not inconceivable that you mean
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did they make quantum of Solace and the weekend
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visual effects of everything but not that I'm putting you on the spot because
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it is it is it is it is dangerous
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not dangerous but its hallowed the talk-show ground talking about the Bond
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forgot about that and it is something that I purposely in deliberately did not
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you know the old run with with Dan Benjamin we did that thing where we went
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through all 12 22 and 20 to be included never say never again which is not an
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option so we did 23 episodes of the show where one Bond movie per show you know
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spent like an hour talking about which was a lot of fun I think the longtime
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listeners of the show when people come up to me it easier for everybody to have
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a comment about the shower always about the bonds series I remember I listen to
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this at a time when I hadn't even seen all the movies and but that part of the
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show you know has a lot more staying power than the first half of the show
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right exactly evergreen write it you know and i didnt
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dan and I broke up and he's not here and then Skyfall came out and so there was
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no episode where did that and I don't think there ever will be I don't be
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right to do it with somebody else and happened and Benjamin but we can talk
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about you know without going for a whole hour about Skyfall we can still talk
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bond but it's tough spot here people are going up against the old stuff well I
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just hope I can live up to expectations so you're more excited about Star Wars
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then then then spektr
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it's it's a 10 it's I say yes but because I've seen it that you ask
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somebody with more than one kid who their favorite kid is really answer that
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question but if one of the kids have been born yet I like the first one
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better cuz I've seen it why one of the differences I've been thinking about a
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lot I just think it's so interesting that they're coming out the same time
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big news came out within a week or two of each other and their to my two
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favorite thing it just seems so serendipitous I was thinking about it a
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lot I'm even thinking maybe I do maybe like a Star Wars special episode of the
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show it sometime this month maybe like you know the Star Wars themed call it a
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holiday Star Wars Holiday Special
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go just go two hours on something something I could easily put together we
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could do three shows on Stowers could start a whole new podcast just talking
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about start by comparing it to the Bond franchise clearly one of the big
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differences is that we're up to bond 24 and star wars we've only had six movies
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or seven if you want to count the Clone Wars which relied really don't think
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it's fair because even though was released theatrically they just decided
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to put into theaters a ninety-minute TV pilot that's a funny way to look at it I
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i think that was made as a TV pilot and over like this is actually pretty good
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you know maybe you know will will you know reframe it first cinema you know
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greenside maybe they didn't maybe they didn't even maybe it was 1.85 with
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something like that so it's close to the 69 I remember seeing that in the theater
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than walking out just what was that it wasn't that wasn't anything like I
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thought it was going to be watching the cartoon like the animated series of was
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really good and sometimes good it wasn't consistently it wasn't good I would say
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with my my most recent benchmarks for Star Wars quality being the prequel
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trilogy Clone Wars trigger it was worse than the prequel trilogy really yeah I
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don't I think it it always felt pad out to me it always felt to me like they
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didn't I think we have to do 2008 that was less than that but whatever they did
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they only had about half as many that were decent and it always felt pat it
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out and cliffhanger did did did you watch a while I was going for the most
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part but yes I watch them all back to back side watch six or seven
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at a time and so if there's a bad one its kind of lost its padded out by the
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good ones even if even fathom a bad you're still kind of remember I don't
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know I just felt like overall it it was a lost opportunity and I felt like they
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had a lot of things that were repetitious and that took away from the
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the prequel trilogy like the fact that obi-wan and Anakin had a bunch of
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encounters with Duke makes it changes the way the movies presented you know
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they had the one encounter in the second movie where mannequin lost his arm and
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obi-wan almost got killed and two came in and rescued him fight and then in the
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next movie they made it seem as though we haven't seen this guy since the last
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time when he picked us up bro good let's do this let's do it right this time but
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in the meantime if you watch the Clone Wars TV show they've fought against
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Dooku dozens of times in between in the movie is it always seemed like there is
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a huge chunk of time that we just didn't get to see and it felt really awkward as
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in the original trilogy the time between Empire and Jedi if you think about it
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there's probably some stuff that happened like the just getting Lando
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into Jabba's palace and like getting everything set up to pull that off
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must have taken some time but you're not really missing out on much by not seeing
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those things get a sense of time has passed we don't need to know exactly how
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much time right and there is a reference in Empire Strikes Back where decides to
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to leave hard to go paint job and it's like he mentions like we need live
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audience it's like or or something like that that there is something about it
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that they encountered about bounty hunter recently tried to kill Han and
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just little things like that sometimes but the difference between the gap
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between episode to episode three
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it just feels like we missed a movie if you're watching it sitting down to watch
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it even if you watch them back to back it feels like there's an
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entire movie missing which is one of the big failings of the prequel trilogy but
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so I in that regard I didn't mind the clone wars going into some more of that
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back story so because I felt like I missed it to begin with my just feel
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like it could have been better
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yeah my trouble with it was it never really felt like Star Wars yeah I agree
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with that too
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there's a good style changed it was fine and once you can ease into it when she
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get used to it it's pretty it's pretty good at entertaining but it never really
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felt like a nautical star wars in the way that the Expanded Universe stuff
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always kind of feels like the infection yeah yeah just didn't quite feel like
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same thing with scene in the movie so I still say there's only six movies and
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that's the big difference is we've only had six movies over 37 years whereas
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we've had 24 Bond movies in 50 years so it's clearly a different pace because
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there was a huge gap between the two trilogies and we've had another gap
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since the last trilogy that really helps to soften the blow I think if this next
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Bond movie is in very good that's ok right and I think that's actually where
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star wars especially now that disney owns it and this is what does it keep
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going we're going to see you know there's there's going to be more Star
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Wars trilogy's after this one
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whether it's a thousand years ago in the future whatever and some might be good
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and some may be bad but eventually it will you know it all work itself out and
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I'll be absent might be that you can you can get by with it flows but the fact
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that they've only been six is what makes people get so much about the the prequel
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trilogy because we've only had six and three of them were kind of did ya make a
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comparison another medium you look at a TV show like Sherlock and each season is
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only three episodes so it's if one of them is bad it stands out way more
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whereas a normal TV show it's twenty episodes in the season if one's bad you
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know right but and it's like comparing baseball to football
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really drastic as baseball plays in USA plays a hundred and sixty two
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regular-season games here and football NFL the only play 16 games so I give
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your favorite team only lose lose four games in a row it's not good in baseball
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but it's you know for you out of a hundred and sixty it's a long season if
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you lose for football games in a row thats quarter of your season is lost all
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around great baseball you lose a game we just wait until the game they play later
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that afternoon but I do feel that the pressure is really on Star Wars at this
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point though because everybody was consensus is that they were so
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disappointed
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consensus i think is the right word these things are always going to be
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subjective but I think that if you polled people in this world democracy if
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opinions were democracy
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expunged from the record if we could go back in time and make those movies I but
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most people would like to do that I'm I'm not have that opinion and I was it's
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been a long time since I've talked Star Wars on the show I'm nowhere near as
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down on the prequel trilogy is a lot of my peers are of our generation and maybe
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it partly because I have a son who you know so young and I've said this before
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it was with mult while back but in Genesis peers they don't really see a
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difference between the trilogy there's just Star Wars movies and her longtime
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he was even confused about the chronology of them and I know some
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people you know like I Siracusa famously
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like will even let his kids watch the prequel trilogy I understand why you as
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cinema fans you would do that but you're robbing your kid of you know something
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that is pure snow they did you know they like to clone troopers and stuff like
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that it's it's it's different for them I don't know and I think it's very hard to
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compare to when you live in a world where you can watch them on demand
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whereas I grew up I don't think they came out on home video until lake
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he's so you have plenty of crap that we watch when we were kids that we really
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like to make a look back
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adults and recognize it terrible you could only see the Star Wars movies in
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cinema and they did re-released them in between so they go see Star Wars two
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years after it came out again but you know you were limited by how many times
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apparently go to the movies here
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yeah I didn't see Star Wars until 15 which was I quite like 10 years closer
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to 2018 did you watch them to your your initial exposure was in home video I
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remember I was in the comics 13 between 11 and 13 when I was really in the
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comics I would go to the comic book stores they would have liked Star Wars
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stuff and it always looked to me baby was the haircut for the quality of the
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printing but always looked old it looked like old seventies but the original
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Battlestar Galactica a flash grenade had that vibe like this is stuff that can be
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old and cheesy at all about it and it wasn't until friend had gotten his
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you put in the tape and I think they can meet all of his other friends that were
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there everybody fell asleep at the movie ends and I'm still like glued to the
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edge of my seat my life had been changed I still remember seeing the first time
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going with my dad to the theaters see it and my dad got a lot of movies in the
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theaters but you know went to a fair amount and you know my dad would often
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be the one to take me and my sisters two years younger than me and a lot of times
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about them you know he has a good sport about it but you know most of the movies
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interesting to a 36 year old man I remember the opening of Star Wars and
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that opening shot of the Star Destroyer and it's just a mint screen so it really
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looks big and it's really one of those things like one of the things the
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original trilogy I think did so well as take advantage of cinema meaning that
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when something looks big screen it is big right as opposed to like when you
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see something that shot more like a TV show and it's just close ups and its
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just seems somebody's face you too doesn't give you the sense of enormity
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that the sense of a normally the Death Star Destroyer gives you in a theater I
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remember my dad like turning to me and he was just like whoa like my dad was
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blown away and I remember thinking that that was even as amazing as the movie is
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a wholly cow my dad is blown away just seared in my memory
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watching that I wish that my first exposure then you know maybe looking
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back maybe the fact that the first time I saw it was on somebody's crappy CRT
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television in the nineties the on VHS just makes it that much clearer to me
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how good the story was how compelling those characters work I remember to
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another died during the fire also remember the first time I saw Star Wars
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on home video
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it was my friend Joe's birthday must have been I don't know what year it
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would have been probably around like eighty four five maybe around 11 or 12
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and yeah I think his post yet I think but it was it was a sleepover birthday
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party with about a dozen of us and
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Joe's dad is all caged in actually had this secret wait until after we had
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pizza and this is before there were any legit home video versions they weren't
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released yet
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Joe's Joe's dad had a bootleg version of The Empire Strikes Back the best and we
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completely honest and I knew Joe's dad was a lawyer and he was he was the dad
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who drove his car if I could bunch of us are going to the mall and two dads
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driving you want to go at Joe's dad because he drive here and it just seemed
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too good to be true though I really thought that he was setting us up I
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couldn't believe that was gonna get to watch Star Wars in the house I thought
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he's he's sharing his he's going to put that in and it's going to be Mary
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Poppins or something he put it in stores and it was there remember very
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distinctively it was cuz it was a bootleg somehow what they did for the
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aspect ratio was there wasn't pan and scan and it wasn't letter boxed was
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squished optically yeah gross but it was still none of us had ever seen at the
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word no legit versions of of any Star Wars movies out on the market at the
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time and was funny it's just one of those things like you got used to hide
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say within like 10 minutes just absolutely blown away during the late
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nineties just after Napster did you did you get into the thing of downloading
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movies at all no never I could never be bothered with that I did a little bit
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but it always seemed like too much work and it was always so hard to find it and
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then you had to like them all together to get into play on anything I had to
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had to post processing you know all that shit done mountains script does it can
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never get into it always seemed like too much work and I never ever ever ever
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wanna watch a motion picture
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computer when I was 18 years old why didn't the idea that I could see a movie
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theaters was very compelling but the problem is that they would always be out
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of sync halfway through the movie but there's no way to get the audio on the
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video to line up the way you expect them to do this they have no idea technically
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what caused that problem why anybody would find acceptable but I remember
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watching a ton of movies where by the end of the audio is out of sync with the
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video and the aspect ratio of course you could get used to the aspect ratio I
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don't know that you can get used to the idea of the party of brain that gives a
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shit movies if you want to see this movie done well you would have to see it
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anyway I guess I wonder how many movies I thought were terrible actually pretty
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good but not good question so what do you think of the Star Wars trailer well
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or teaser we gotta talk about that later
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yeah I didn't think anything of it I was surprised that I was mostly offline at
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the time I was traveling so I heard that the trailer came out but i dont wanna
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watch it on TV screens so I just put it off and wait until we got home and in
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like a couple of days after Thanksgiving I watched I want to see it I want to see
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it for the first time on the TV of course noticed the lightsaber but I
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didn't think any of it because I thought that the prequel trilogy established
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that there's some degree of individuality and design especially
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among the set and I'm ok with that is weird curved thing that was fan Darth
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Maul of course of his famous double and that was a scene when the when the
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Phantom Menace trailer came out the very first trailer was a huge deal in this is
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right around the time when video on the internet started being finally had
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enough bandwidth to get video and they're they're like a million parodies
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of the episode The Phantom Menace trailer like there's a South Park
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version I remember pretty clearly everybody is doing its thing with the
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trailer
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before the days of YouTube and I remember that moment when you see Darth
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Maul and the staff here some the red played comes out and you get excited and
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then the other one comes out like you lose your mind for something like that
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so why did I ever think of that but that's exactly like what I would have
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drawn as a kid
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this had kind of a similar effect where I'm watching the trailer and hear this
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app has some the red played comes out as I don't know that the rain what's going
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on like a broken light saber and you're like me this time to know that for a
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second I'm excited I get chills and then these little tiny believes the side so
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my reaction went from low to high just so you know I accepted I didn't you know
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it's obviously a weird design I think if I were a Jedi or Sith I would not use a
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lightsaber like that yourself you know I don't know why I feel like if you do if
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you know the force the force will keep you from hurting himself with it but it
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is it do what is it was it for its a crossing guard on the Internet at a
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pretty good job of showing that that's a terrible designed if somebody's blade
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slides down its gonna cut the metal part not the blade to cut right through it
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yeah but maybe it yeah I don't know I guess it's supposed to be something like
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a crosscourt maybe just maybe it's a guy thing that looks badass I don't know
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I've always had the impression that you don't really need across garden light
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sabers like you doing real swords because it seems to me like 12 Sabres
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connect the kindest tech and there's no way to slide it really I've never gotten
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that out of it but I don't like when they lock up and they make that two
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Sabres locked up sound it doesn't seem like there's any kind of friction
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between them for a long time watching the
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obi-wan Vader fight at the end of New Hope I thought that leg will be played
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with shorting out because the angle at which that scene was filmed his
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lightsaber kind of tilts back and it looks like the blame shortens so I
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thought for a long time that his blade was shorting out and that's where the
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dramatic tension as he came from its funny I love that it's funny because the
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Faber fights get ever more elaborate you know that the one hand the one in Star
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Wars a new hope is is so pedestrian guys that's all goes well and it's an old guy
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at David Prowse wasn't old at the time he was actually pretty much in the prime
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of life but he had a helmet on the characters but that's not why it was
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like that I think it was because I think partially Alec Guinness was was
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physically a little a little limited as he was kind of all and I think David
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Prosser famously couldn't see shit out of the Darth Vader helmet he just
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couldn't see so there is likely no severe limitations as to what many
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stuntman who is in there you know
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could could could see and it was combined with I think the optical needs
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of the way that they you know the way that they had the Sabres made so that
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they were made out of the globe glowy stuff that they could easily rotoscope
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the colors on ya you know and they just never done it before I mean it's still
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see cuz it never been done before and it just looks so cool and you know maybe
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somebody that had the idea of laser swords in pulp science fiction for a
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hundred years over and over and over again but nobody had ever made one that
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looked like it was really a real thing which is you know the awesome part about
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lightsabers in them and you hope they looked real I was pretty it was pretty
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weak let me say this before before we go on to I am super super anti spoiler I
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I know nothing about this news episode seven other than the basics of you know
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who's directing it
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the cast that rough timeframe and that said I don't follow any of the rules I
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don't know anything and I wanna watch the trailer I i trusted I might skip
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subsequent trailers I trusted the fact that it wasn't immediately billed as a
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teaser yeah yeah by calling it a teaser made me feel very safe about watching it
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I get I don't like watching trailers for movies and it kind of comes down to the
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Hunger Games when I went to see The Hunger Games is because my friends went
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to go see a movie and that's what they picked I knew nothing about it other
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than the poster had a girl with a bow and arrow like i didnt know I did it was
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based on a book I went in that movie knowing nothing in knowing nothing I
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enjoyed it and I i was kind of hung up on how much I enjoyed every moment of
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them will be was a surprise to me and I realized that most of the time I watch a
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trailer for something it's a movie that I want to see and if I want to see the
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movie already know going into the trailer that I want to be I know now
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they can just have my money today I'll pay for the ticket now there's no way
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I'm not in the next hour so what does watching the trailer get me it can only
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show me things that I would get to see you later and be surprised by the modern
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era of trailer which is involved very very clearly in the form of how much can
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we condense the entire plot of this movie right minus maybe like a just in
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the ultimate plot twist at the end everything but if you're a movie person
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than you even while you're watching a movie you start to figure things out and
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if they give you enough plot points in the trailer your moviegoer story
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follower mind is going to fill in those gaps and you you know what the story is
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gonna be before it always surprises me too
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and I'm not a big believer in like the three-act structure I don't think that
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any you know I don't think most good films adhere to it in a very formal
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sense I just think it's the basic sense that you know you know you won't have a
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beginning middle and end but in loose terms it always surprises me in a
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trailer that has my attention and hey this looks like a good movie file this
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way to make a Vesper you know note make an investor to you know movies to watch
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list once the trailer gets to that part where I'm into it I this is a movie I'm
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making a note now because when it comes out and want to see it and then it keeps
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going to have already been there and it keeps going and they are clearly going
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into a kto right there clearly going into the middle of movie are you showing
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me this I don't want you already had me why are you doing this they say
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something let me just experienced this and I do think to them as somebody who
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has a a rudimentary you know dilettante interest in making these films in
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college and I dunno with video now and think about it I understand you know how
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fun it can be to edit video but how hard it is to edit video the way that that
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trailer editors can condense to our motion picture into ninety seconds that
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boils almost all of it is incredible
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artistically as the craft of editing cinema how how how how they can but it's
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the effective it is so it's just so disappointing
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percent Hunger Games this established this rule every time I break it every
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time I watch a trailer I regret it
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the most recent example is i watch the reduc- million ways to die in the west
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now that's what's his name
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yes I haven't seen it it might have been but if you've seen the trailer you've
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seen the movie you know what I have seen the trailer and I know that's every
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funny thing that happens that movie is in the trailer now that's a good example
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of a movie that I probably would have put on my to to watch list but didn't
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because I felt like the trailer spoiled I got on the end I was I was having his
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family guy there's a show like it or hate it it's pretty dense with jokes
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aside I went in thinking well be added put himself in the trailer but there's
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gonna be a lot of stuff no those are all the jokes and into the Pooh it would
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indeed when the things happened that happened in the trailer in people in the
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theater laughing I'm kind of wondering why did you not see the trailer was
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still funny to you I remember very specifically there is a movie and I
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don't know why it was a movie with Robert DeNiro and he was a bounty hunter
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going after charles grodin it was in the eighties movie I mean look it up to your
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own charles grodin no idea what that would be
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Midnight Run 1988 now for whatever reason I saw now that was when I was in
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junior high high school I was going to movies every week that was just what we
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teenagers we went to movie so I some times and I was a peak theater watching
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life for me I saw the trailer for that movie like a dozen times and charles
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grodin is like a guy with a bunch of phobias and bounty hunter who's paid to
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bring them in cuz he's got a bailout standing so I do remember this so it's
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like a buddy you know it's like a mismatch in the troops categorias
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deniro's a tough guy and grounds the opposite and he's got all these things
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and he says like you know
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there's Line Road transparent system I got a grab for agoraphobia
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you know something else phobia claustrophobia and two nurses if you
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don't shut up you gonna have Vista phobia and it was in the trailer every
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all this and then we went to see the movie and he gives the line in the movie
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and it's everybody in the theater laughed and I remember thinking laughing
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surely you've seen this cuz it's in all the trailers it was in the commercials
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it was like the signature spoiled joke in the movie but yet for some reason
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theaters to left
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get it that's just something I think I was too cynical at times a teenager I
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think it's the way that crowd people pay the movie people want the movie to be
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good cuz they took two hours of their lives to see it and they spent the money
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to get the ticket they enter you know in a community you know a group like they
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star wars for future episode we could we can dissect the trailer I think the
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pretty to be mean even Darth Vader kind of gal but Jonas but he did but as Cape
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he was the only one with a red lightsaber right which looks just at
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that we start to see other colors and I think the the first non red green blue
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we saw was made Windows the purple the story goes that Samuel Jackson
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has gone to the dark side rather than somebody just like woke up one day
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video game again what's cannon and what's not anymore it's up to today but
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there is the one I think it's actually called was on a call that the secret
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apprentice Vader had a secret apprentice
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force unleashed right so he had practice and you know even if you say the video
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game isn't canon I think the clone or show is and you know there was a side of
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interests who was like a secret apprentice to do ku so there were you
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know there's there's a established idea that there are six like force users who
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are trained by the city just called set and use red light sabers and you know I
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could I would say that is where we get the the old ways to think it's from that
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line of dialogue bermuda grass is always do there are and I think that that the
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more forgiving reading of that line would be that what he meant was there's
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always get anymore if if we see one there's got to be another master print
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is not that there are only two exactly two but there are always at least two
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they're always come in pairs right we've we've seen this one dude there's going
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to be another dude we don't know if this is the master of the apprentice but
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there's going to be somewhere out there there's another dude you said such a
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stupid rule that if they if there if they're going to overthrow the Jedi
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Order where there's hundreds of them all right we're going to overthrow these
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guys and we're only have to do you think like somewhere along the way as their
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passing down the stories
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but one of the guys when his findings to apprentice maybe just leave out the part
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where everybody before you including you has killed their master just leave that
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out of the history so that you don't plant that idea is to me I feel like you
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know what fuck it I'm not training apprentice I just be the last month a
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live forever be great I think it's cuz I think the idea there was that they
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always you know that each one of them is so arrogant and so confident in their
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dominance over there is that they're they're not they always think that this
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can happen to me but when you're like the 301 you know from history that
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that's always going the other direction that's not a reasonable thing to think
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anymore right it's like I know you and I trust you but if I knew that if I knew
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that the last thirty people who who hired you i designer
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to work with them got killed it really I'm pretty sure that your I i trust you
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you seem like non psychopathy see my girlfriend but I probably wouldn't I
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power decided not to hire you right but there would be a good choice
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hard to go wrong they do think in in Lake City orientation
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ok well here's here's the story of how literally everyone before you have
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killed their master including me but don't do that please
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what else happens in the trailer we see some storm troopers
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the new storm troopers knots I think notable that says a lot about the movie
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in the the time period and the attitude of the movie that we see stormtroopers
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we're at some point in the last 30 years in a galaxy far far away not only is the
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Empire still going they've hired some industrial designers to come in and do
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some shit yeah it seems like a slightly tweaked
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it's not it's not a huge departure like they feel like storm troopers in the
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same way that the clone troopers kind of feel like storm troopers but more just
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on the other side of it like there hasn't been even though it's been a
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longer period of time it seems like there's been less advancement which is
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what you expect from an empire that's just lost their temper but they're still
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you know they're still designers working out custom details and chips and stuff
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but notably the TIE fighters we see
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typewriters Thai fighters the explains we see it looks pretty much like x-rays
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but with a little bit of advancement and so in the same way of the original
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trilogy the universe felt lived in like everything had Carmen scoring on
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everything was a broken all the shitty it kinda seems like we're on an upswing
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like the economy is getting better but it hasn't turned around so much like
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there's been a long period where things still kinda sucked and there wasn't a
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lot of technological advancement which is what I would expect to have happen
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then it feels authentic might might read just based on the teaser is that the the
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the tremendous victory of both blowing up a second Death Star and killing them
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for invader and lead you leaving the entire you know which presumably the
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entire you know leadership structure of the empire was you know based on the
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Emperor's extraordinary you know abilities
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has crippled the empire but Mike didn't defeat them they were still tired vast
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Imperial Army their military remain loyal to the cause of the empire and
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that the rebel is that the rebellion is still the US still the scrappy upstart
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planets that are fighting against him so like it may be like knock them knocked
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it down to the day ron even terms and it's been like a thirty year war of
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attrition that's interesting that's my read from the Yeah Yeah I could get that
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and maybe not necessarily at the umpires got their back up against the wall but
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more that they had to decentralize leadership or something or maybe
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somebody stepped in and there's a and lost so many resources that there are no
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longer there are no longer advancing at the extreme pace that they were we last
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saw them right like when we last saw them they went in just 20 years from the
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prequel trilogy to the to the original trilogy they went from those Republic
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starships we saw in the Clone Wars to the star destroyers and Tie Fighters
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that we see lots of technical advancement in their starship design and
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armor design in 20 years but now in 30 years they've made very little progress
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at all and the rebellion hasn't really either because they're still that's
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right but they still had time to redesign the storm two breakfasts not
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really redesign I would say it was more like 10 1.1 releases in there could have
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been like some kind of necessity there just ran out of that armor I'm a little
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surprised that the TIE fighters look exactly the same thing because I I
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always thought as a kid
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based on Return of the Jedi like when the Thai interceptors came out which
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were much more like
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like Vader's prototype from 1977 with advanced yeah with the
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the curved wings like the three-panel almost like octagonal we have the
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bombers had that too I thought that the Thai interceptors were like the new
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models that were coming in but who knows what they're taking the the economics of
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video games where in the games the x-wing fighter games the the TIE fighter
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has no shields and just kinda sucks but I interceptor has shields and I that one
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or the advanced one of them can even go too late and it just seemed to me that
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will just stop using the TIE fighters say they have no shields but you just
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sending people to their deaths of those things and they were they were they went
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for a quantity over quality would rather have a hundred Thai fighters then ten
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you know explains why it's clearly the mark of a military that doesn't feel
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like it has much in the way of opposition the TIE fighters were there
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to show off how many they had to be an imposing presence and that they were not
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designed for real bad right now I didn't really even values troops yeah because
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everybody was the Empire so we'll just replacing maybe even at the time maybe
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they were still using some of the stuff I thought the other one of the other
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interesting things in the teaser is that none of the shots of the ships are in
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space that when you see the explains their flying really low almost writer
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write a few feet above the water surface somebody water and when we see the
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Falcon and the typewriters coming out it's right above it
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just say you're right so we've got a teaser for a movie called star wars that
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doesn't show a single star right I don't think it did well maybe there's at the
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end when the crew and the credit comes up it shows a starfield when the logo
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comes up and we don't see any footage of space here on CNN we don't see any big
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space cruisers we don't see any Star Destroyers or whatever the republicans
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well I hope nothing happened to space by the idea that they didn't show any of
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the that the only face they show is the the new character the black guy in the
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structure profit what's the actor's name I forget his hadn't heard of before
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British dude I think it's it's I want to believe I sincerely want to believe that
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everything about this teaser was a well thought-out decision john breaux llega
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yeah I want to believe that everything we were shown we were shown for a reason
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to believe that not only were we not shown
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well know the interface we see is that the girl riding on ya who just looking
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at her she's got like a real Natalie Portman Carrie Fisher kind of look yeah
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it so it wouldn't be a big job I think most people are assuming that she must
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be like home to me is kid but the characters we see the faces we do see
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the new characters these are people we have no idea who they are
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this isn't there some forward this isn't mark hamill it says to me that they they
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want our expectation going into be that we're going to be exposed to new things
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not just fanservice rehashing of old stuff yeah that said it ends with the
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shot of the Millennium Falcon right as we hear the John Williams fanfare swell
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up so again if you show us the shows the things that are gonna get us interested
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in give us a sense of what we should expect from the movie which i think is
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going to be this is a familiar world but we're gonna be meeting new people were
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going to be taking things beyond
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what you are and then ending on a note of literally on a note of here's what we
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know you came in hoping my favorite members this remember this is where the
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original that when did the special editions 1997 I remember when the
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trailer for that care teacher came out for that it was really good teacher was
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in the theater and it was like it showed a TV and you know for a generation kids
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you know people have only seen ya was trilogy on TV set and then blew up the
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TV set by like blew it up resistance really cheesy when you discover that
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matter but no but like somebody at like you know I did it right
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conceptual hated the idea of a time blowing up a TV just sounds done that
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ever get past the first pitch sounds like something that you would do like in
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the terry Gilliam's to help from you know who would just be silly but it's a
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giant foot switches it somehow caused it was just like we're not gonna show you
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any of it yet we're just going to let you know on a bigger screen which is
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really all you need to know
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even even for what it was we can save there's a lot that can be said about the
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special editions de the idea of the things were put in the in the movie to
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make it better to enhance it for it to make it feel more modern to clean it up
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that was exciting but the execution was terrible but the idea was really that
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you get like a really crisp clean print and they cleaned up in the Black Sea
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blacker and the lines of the cleaner that sounded great if that meant that we
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had to sit through a couple of extra due back soon
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the tattooing stronger person than fine whatever sometime ok I i want to get
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into it but it might my basic I didn't have any kind of purity you know exactly
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like what you saw in 1977 hurts doesn't count I wasn't opposed to any minor
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tweaks but some of them are just so stupid I mean high schoolers range if
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you get rid of that awful job as seen in years anytime anytime you digitally move
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on solo anytime here some four dozen screen and they did you alter anything
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take those out and put them back to where they were and the rest of it I'm
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fine with it should have been all it should have been limited to things that
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only true obsessions obsessives would even notice that you don't have to sit
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side-by-side to notice there was only one new backpack and now there's a
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couple but the the the the the monster the big animal thing on both sides Lee
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the job falls off
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yeah I given that was kind of okay they didn't it didn't take a movie was kinda
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silly but it didn't I remember that I remember liking some like I thought like
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the way that they spruced up Cloud City batsman in Empire Strikes Back where
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there is more stuff going on outside the windows ya feel more alive not like I'm
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at yeah and it is in hindsight the lack of anything outside the windows in the
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original felt a little cheap I don't know but yeah yeah like they felt like I
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said right but you know i i dont I still think I think given the job of falling
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off the anything that's like a gag is too much you know he didn't need it but
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anyway that's it was a good
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the best thing about the special editions those that it let us know that
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George Lucas had lost his mind and it set expectations for the new trilogy
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accordingly
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do you really think it did because I know still managed to be disciplined I
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think the reaction to Phantom Menace would have been even more heartbreaking
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people jumping on buildings if it if it had come out it dropped out of the blue
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without the special editions like the Special Editions if the special editions
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didn't make everybody's like there is a disturbance in the force
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I remember of wind Phantom Menace came out opening day on Wednesday and I
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walked out on me and my friends and everybody else that I could hear talking
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outside the theater everybody was really excited everybody enjoyed it
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yeah I did too he said this before they're not terrible they're only
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they're only significantly worse compared to the original trilogy and I
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see I see lots and lots of action movies you know the type of movies were there
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are things like laser guns and chase scenes and superhero powers and stuff
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like that and the prequel trilogy is way better than almost all of them that's
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way better than typical stuff that I C you know I was gonna go the other
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direction now I was gonna say that it wasn't that was a good movie or even
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necessarily a possible movie I think that its people went into the theater so
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fully prepared to be excited that they could not emotionally handle the movie
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they actually saw they had to walk out feeling good about it and it wasn't
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until maybe the next morning when we all woke up and we got in the shower and we
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get out quite feel clean that it starts to don honestok that was a really
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terrible thing that happened now I remember thinking as I watched I didn't
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come out it was the parts of their worst that were worst or so obviously bad
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right away you don't think it's a bad movie I don't I think it's no its owners
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are in trade negotiations but they don't spend too much time I remember thinking
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that I'm going on on this I still don't really know what happened in them
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and i also think that it suffered you know from some fundamental big picture
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problems like establishing which sides of good guys with sides the bad guys you
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know they like that awesome incredible clarity the way that the empire was
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almost Nazi like deliberately helmet design for major comes from you know one
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of the inspirations Nazi helmet the lack of clarity that whole trilogy suffers
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from that you know and it's all based on the stupid cockamamie idea that the
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Emperor was more or less
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trumped up the whole war on false charges in there was no good guys or bad
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guys and it just makes the movie less enjoyable as as Popcorn Hour I give you
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gonna make a popcorn movie wanna have crisply clearly-defined good guys bad
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guys not any kind of ambiguity in that they should use knows it right and it's
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you know who's fighting with the Droid you know and every time we meet somebody
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interesting they almost immediately died saving Darth Maul we begin to me that
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guy we're excited and then it's good I kinda died I had a feeling he was
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talking tough
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made it feel like there is something that yeah but where we see the trailer
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you know something something and so in Fleming wrote him back
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character after the guy as I did you watch the BBC Fleming the man who would
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the first episode and recommended that we watch it but said it was terrible and
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thought out and and I remember especially the end and it was an ideal
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that's like you know so so like I'm glad it exists and I am enjoying it but it
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feels like a BBC TV shows like a movie The that attitude of I like it I'm
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enjoying it I'm glad it exists but it's not great is kinda I mean the worst Bond
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movies are still enjoyable and 24 of them yeah so there's any good ones and
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bad ones with even the worst of the bunch
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maybe I read it as this and it's a great in the title the man who would be bonds
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why mistrust home anywhere it is I don't know how to read the diacritical marks
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printers i three or four different systems of diacritical marks show you
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how to pronounce a word where the emphasis cuz i dont I I don't understand
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know who this is what the internet is for ya
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you can just listen a little audio clip
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years 1 I'll pick your right yeah yeah it's a bio and a picture so it's a
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biopic to me sounds like somebody taking photographs in the bathrooms i I just
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think its industry lingo you know no chick flick I've learned something today
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by OPEC and see if you'd said biopic I would call you on that
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ya head out and I you know whenever I hear somebody pronounce a word
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differently than I have pronounced in my entire life I generally assume I
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generally assumed that I've just learned something cuz it's usually a safe bet
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like it hurts like with the city are you get you mispronounce enough word that
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you've read visually but never pronounced enough and you're almost
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always wrong you start to assume that if I presented differently I'm wrong we did
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you know I but in the way that you pointed out that maybe if you go down
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information if you killed you if your ass if the premise and you just killed
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your master to become the master maybe you don't take an apprentice if you
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realize that you're completing
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a thousand generation chain of that happening you know over and over again
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every done it if you're the new guy thirty years later you've got no idea
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how to pronounce medical areas did you see the thing where the poster that they
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unveil and it's a cool little movie they have to just shows the name spektr being
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of that same sort of fact where the words Specter is revealed piece by piece
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in the letters it and it's just a big the type of nerd in me in the bond nerd
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in me for being maybe twenty seconds of video that shows you nothing just felt
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really good watching and yeah and the way that the used to you mentioned did
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you just mentions that the logo looks like the broken glass underneath the
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bullet to the glass but the way the glass shatters there's the the tentacles
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like the hydro style but the spektr ramallah the remaining but the Hydra
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similarities right then that the idea behind the logo is that it's like a
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multi tentacled organization that you know you can't you know kill one
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technical and got 71 around the world forever 21 had to marshal appear so i
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most interesting casting to me is Christoph Waltz oh yeah there's there's
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there's lots of the old news and casting is good news but that's that's like now
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I got a fucking movie yeah it's funny it's it seems like they've really
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David Bautista yeah is mister Hinks which is so obviously it's so old school
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by and look at the guy ya gotta be like criminal henchmen
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with the name mister hanks sounds perfect but it's totally taken it back
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like you know to to connery and Moraira bond you know it's got a little bit of
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campaigning which has that's that's kind of made bond fund then work now I don't
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know the speculation has been there have been rumors and again I've tried to
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avoid them but I think everybody now that they're calling movie spektr it's
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not spoiling anything that there were rumors that Christoph Waltz was gonna
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play Blofeld for a while you're saying you didn't see those rumors de the name
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that was the name they gave him for him in their announcement they've seen he's
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playing a character named Overhauser yeah which if you google that made my
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Google because I want to find out what it meant and German cause I thought
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maybe there was a hint at something cause I can't have it just has the
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center of this is a code name for a character this isn't the characters
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really and what if you go to last name it's the name of this lake nazi general
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who was tried for war crimes after world war two legs very famous a Nazi into me
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that's that's so over the top that it can't possibly be a real characters name
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that has to be masking yeah I think he's gonna bring backs spektr you might as
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well bring back I mean it you can make the argument that you bring back spektr
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and then Blofeld is revealed in the next movie in the same way that you got
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inside spektr maybe even glimpses of Blofeld and even as far back as doctor
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now you don't really get to see Blofeld Intel to return movies in four movies
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4450 first movie was dr. no and Blofeld was a guy and K
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you saw him from behind a chair and he had the cat but never saw his face and
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then in Russia With Love You sign in that secret meeting room
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where he was behind venetian blinds so you still continues face and he blamed
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that was worried and unveiled that was really unveiled the the gag that dr.
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evil used riad like a boardroom table and he could hit right right to kill a
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guy and and he wasn't in Goldfinger he wasn't in Goldfinger Goldfinger and
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Goldfinger had nothing to do with Specter and then in the next movie was
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Thunderball which was a specter plot to steal a nuclear missile but Blofeld I
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don't know if he was even pictured it was Largo
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the guy with the eyepatch was the head operative of the mission I think we saw
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him I don't think we even seemed invulnerable I don't even think he makes
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a Blofeld in you don't get to see his face but he's there I think that Largo
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is the only guy and then the next movie is you only live twice and that's where
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we finally see him and he's played by David presents the the the end it's the
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one everybody remembers its the guy the bald guy with the scarred face right in
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the in the crazy suit but I like that you know the doctor evil the doctor evil
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look I want to say when we saw him in we saw a glimpse of him into movies prior
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mostly because the three times we see him the first two hands and then the
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temporary actually there's like three different looks likely three different
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actors it's always different actors and in fact it was part of the way that they
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they just had this loosey-goosey continuity that would never fly anymore
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and the guy who played him in Dr No
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even I was just seen in a chair from behind stroking his pussy was the actor
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who played his name was
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wise or maybe it was the guy who played the guy who played him in and from
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Russia With Love was the guy who played strength lies the strange ways the guy
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who's the guy who in in Jamaica in dr. no was the mineralogist who was cricket
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and tried to sneak in and killed in Mali is plain member was playing solitaire to
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wait for him to come back and write back I played played Blofeld in next movie
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and then the craziest one is in you Only Live Twice the one he goes to Japan
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get all crazy racist in need and if he meets the mi6 operative in Tokyo and the
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guy is wearing a kimono and it's a he's been stationed there is a British guys
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been stationed there for thirty years and it's a nice little touch he makes he
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he he makes a martini and he says
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stirred not shaken right which is of course the wrong but bond being up late
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British person says perfect thank you you know just accept it doesn't behind
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him and then he gets stabbed by a ninja assassin and bond has to go chasing him
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that actor the guy who played a British intelligence agent in you wanna live
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twice to movies later is the guy who played Blofeld in diamonds are forever
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really yeah and he doesn't even look different it wasn't even like they gave
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him different makeup for a different hairstyle haha that's right that's right
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so a lot of this blurs together because I want all of the Bond movies of the
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course of a month it would never ever do have a good
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recast it's almost like you know like they were they were casting out of Lake
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you know like saturday live like you have like an ensemble cast and you just
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have to keep reusing actor but look at doctor who Peter Capaldi the new doctor
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he was in an episode has been addressed some side character like five years ago
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the previous companion was obvious in that same episode in fact as a totally
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different character just not that many actors in the UK yeah I don't know
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people like an old boys club back then people and I think because nobody got to
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read watch movies on home video that everybody just assumed that they would I
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do it was right but it's crazy that just two movies apart the same guy played a
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British agent and blow fell
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I'm guessing see his face 2 I'm guessing that Christoph Waltz's greenbacks vector
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you gotta bring back gonna have Blofeld I mean he's as good an actor is anybody
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that's just it doesn't like in these procedural TV shows they try to do the
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thing where they want to keep you guessing as to who the guy was who
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committed the murder but they do you can just say about this is the character
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actor they've seen other TV shows clearly that's the murder you look at
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this big-budget big production like this you don't bring in Christoph Waltz to
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just play some dude I look at it this way if Blofeld is in the movie it's
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gotta be Christoph Waltz and if blow-hards on the movie then when
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because how many more does Daniel Craig have it right if you gonna bring back
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spektr 44 the end of Daniel Craig's run in the role
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Blofeld in there soon as possible I figure you bring them you gotta bring
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them in and you know finally have you know like in the Old Bond movies finally
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have a movie where bond doesn't get that guy
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you know Blofeld escape I'm expecting Blofeld wherever is crazy scheme is in
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this movie will escape the end we'll be back in the next day or whatever hard
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lessons bond has learned in Casino Royale cuando solace in Skyfall he
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hasn't had a huge failure yet other then the just a failure of Vesper Lynd well
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yeah but it wasn't it wasn't a failure that was a personal failure that wasn't
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a failure on the level of the guy who was trying to destroy the world kinda
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got away with it
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speaking of spektr evil world wide multi Backblaze back please
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how big a petabyte is I forget to send us an email and it was just it was so
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much more data than you have crazy and it's they've done great you know if you
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google talk about how to set up a datacenter that reliable and cheap and
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how much it cost to get drives and stuff like that it's crazy how much did they
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are backed up but how they figure out a way to do it
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cheap because there is a factor with back please but is a factor where
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it for a long time before I sign I remembered there's other shows that they
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sponsored and one of the reasons I didn't sign up is it had like this too
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good to be true feel to it because you think things like well probably only
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backs up your startup drugs now it backs up like if you have like an external
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hard drive is three terabyte terabytes a bigger where you keep all of your
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digital media stuff like that they backed that up to it might take a while
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depending on your upstream but once it's backed up it's up there and then after
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that everything is incremental when you add new files and stuff like that but
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it's not just the start of Dr it's you know everything and five bucks per month
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for unlimited backup and it just works just runs you install their software and
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people are YouTube comments from people where every other word is misspelled and
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there's no punctuation and capitalization and you wonder in 2014
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when every device you could possibly touch that has a battery has spell check
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how it's possible that these people that there's no excuse for misspelling words
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unless it gets you in the same way you've got no excuse if your hard drive
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crashes in a backup at $5 a month just it's it's unfathomable to me that you
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wouldn't have had something in place it's I have a bunch of family members
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with Max who don't have back please give it as a gift because you know here's
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back up here's your present but I can suffer but when I'm at the house I'm
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going to in addition to a gift give them back I set up for him and just soak it
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up because I i feel better my parents don't have to make sure my commitment
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this year home for the holidays I do it because I was so much better if all the
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pictures madonna is on her back
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backed up somewhere outside of her house and just do that for everybody in your
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family when you go home for the holidays and you're gonna feel so much better but
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I think it's you know in addition to a gift giving back place because it's
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gonna happen I had somebody in my family just had a Mac hard drive
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everything you know they'd lost photos a bunch of photos you know that is gone
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free trial over Christmas and Sean how easy it is and you know let them put the
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how many do you even have a camera that takes pictures on film
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well I do I but I haven't I don't know yet I but I take I don't know probably
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hundreds of pictures a month and they're all digital and they're all on my hard
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drive or somewhere if anything happens if I didn't have a backup that's like
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every record of my life I lose my hard drive I just don't exist anymore I'm
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like Michael J Fox and Back to the Future in that photo in my hands start
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disappearing
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they can never happen especially i mean SSDs can go bad too but if you have
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anybody anything stored on a spinning like this man you got it
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backed up somewhere else for your laptop get stolen things can happen just five
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bucks a month imagine you get health insurance for $5 a month of course you
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do it or so you free unlimited online backup for $5 a month
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yea well imagine if health insurance meant that if you hit by a bus you get
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like reboot to where you were yesterday I would definitely pay $5 right back
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places for five bucks if only there is back with his for us great that should
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be there to try engineers are working so what else with Specter is that i was
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thinkin bout with Specter and and and that one it's that this was just
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resolved legally last year this whole backstory and those of you and listen
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listen to that whole bond five by five at auction thing years ago
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know that we covered this but the basic story zoos guy named Kevin McClory who
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Ian Fleming had collaborated with before the bond thing even really got big I
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don't think they would do it wasn't a TV movie and they came up with collaborator
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to think there is even a third collaborator those who have never you
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know somehow got bought out of his rights
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early on in the process but he got screwed but forget about that they're
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just too busy in Fleming and Kevin McClory came up with the premise that
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was basically Thunderball what if criminal organization could somehow
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compromised pilot who would be flying a test flight with a nuclear-armed fighter
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plane and get the compromise pilot to drop the bomb not you know ignited but
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just drop in the ocean somewhere where they could pick it up from the bottom
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and then the world the Western world hostage which is really pretty cleverly
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get you know one of the things about that Thunderball plot is in the grand
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scheme of the whole world is risk James Bond plots it's actually seems pretty
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plausible right that there are by today's standards right you know that
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there are pilots who are flying planes that have nuclear-armed weapons and then
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at that point you've got one guy who you know if you compromise that one guy
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maybe you know you going to do something with it nothing came of it I guess
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whatever the original TV-movie somehow fell through but I was held a good story
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and he went ahead and just use for the novel Thunderball you wouldn't you mean
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I can I mean I can see the contention there but yeah I guess I i you know I
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don't know you know who came up with how much of it who knows you know I mean I
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only really maybe maybe only informing and Corey really know how much of it
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Ian Fleming truly had a right to to reuse how much of it he came up with but
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regardless they McClory sued and even some remember reading about that the
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young production to know the people who make the movies even they were aware of
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that and they even you know we're wary of making you know doing a movie and
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Thunderball until it was resolved but they had lawyer enough lawyers who said
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you know crack but but it ended up that he got the right by the time it was
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ended it ended with the fable of Solomon where you know two women come in saying
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this is our baby right now
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half the woman who said no no you must be the wrong because you know you're
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more concerned about the baby then you are about this was like a solomonic
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decision with this where they both had the rights to the Honorable Ian Fleming
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and US Young productions who had the right stay in Fleming's James Bond and
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Kevin Kevin McClory had legal rights to make a movie based on the novel and
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that's spent decades trying to get it made and that's what eventually became
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never say never again that's why I never say never again the plot is so similar
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to the Honorable so weird the weird moral fable two and one half a baby and
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his weird yet we are it's weird that you know you know you know they're painted
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the lying woman was was like you know painted in broad strokes she was like
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the Empire you know you care that she had a fleet of Thai fighters she
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wouldn't put shield
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save a couple bucks whatever it takes
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get it done it's where the Kevin McClory guide even the ability to use the name
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James Bond right whatever you say about his claim that the story ok great you
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can you can use the same story just use it whenever the character I'd link to
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this before I put in the show us again hope it's still there on YouTube JVC the
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recut opening of never say never again
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yeah I think I think would you like to it may be on the show or maybe use under
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incredible that you talked about how great it would be if they they redid the
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whole movie like that it's just a bit is is the real never say never again has
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this terrible cheesy eighties soundtrack theme and even the logo thing is really
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cheesy and it's part of what makes it feel off right from the start and some
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genius on to put up on YouTube pretty much like the whole eye-opening
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five-minute them
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of never say never again but with the real James Bond theme music and logo and
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stuff like that and it improves it so I mentally and it feels really feels like
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this is a real James Bond and it's exactly like we said earlier about John
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Williams in Star Wars make sure you write it makes you realize how much that
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music and graphical teaming is part of what makes it feel like a bomb on me
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when we saw each other pretty clearly scenery out when you first hear the you
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first hear the bond yeah yeah and and they held the silhouette you know pulled
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the gun out and shoot a bullet into the screen and the blood comes down they
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held it until the end of them right is this was that the whole point of the
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movie was this is how we become a bond right it was like this it was almost
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like a home movie was sort of a a feature-length like a prelude to call a
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chapter 0 of a book like a two-hour prologue yeah I can read it as sort of
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similar to like Batman Begins and then is it at the time in movies when Batman
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Begins and rebooting thing was that they do I give us more origin stories please
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yeah it was a head around the greatest origin story ever I think I think that I
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think a degree that in some of it for me and give me any secrets by saying the
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best girl in my favorite Bond girl and I think that such such a defining moment
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in bonds life if you want to imagine that it's it's one guy in this is all
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his story that the story of Vesper Lynd is the story of art without her there is
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no James Bond and they say you know it wasn't like he started as
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eighty five-pound sickly weekly who needed a super serum to become too he
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was already there wasn't bitten by a radioactive secret agent right was
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obviously already well trained in the military and had the mindset and was on
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the type of person who would be on a career path to become a double O and mi6
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it's you know what is it like what would that do with that character be like when
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he's one cut below becoming the double oh you know and what would he be like
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when he first gets granted those status and isn't really comfortable at that
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level it doesn't really get it yet isn't really isn't quite prepared for it you
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know that so maybe a little a little insufferably arrogant yeah he knows is
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on the cusp but he's not here not seasoned enough to be comfortable with
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it yet and we've that scene on the train with him investor going back and forth
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reading shots and he loses that argument yeah anybody who's anybody it doesn't
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hold that that's one of the best scenes in an action movie in recent memory I
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was ever but you know in the modern era of movies it's just not going to be able
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to do not agree on anything when it comes to is it not even actually that's
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one of my favorite scenes in a movie
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yeah it's just so good and it's you know it's in a series where the the level of
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actual personal interplay between bond and the women in the movies it's just
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notoriously then you know and it's more or less blah blah blah let's go to bed
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right and this place so well against that but even stand on its own it works
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in both directions which i think is what makes it so great right
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you could see why both of them like each other and you can see why both of them
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just like each other and you can see why both of them
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like the other because of the reasons that they dislike yeah when she asks
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how's the lamb he says he says it with a smile like he's kind of ended the season
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to this lady yeah yeah it's definitely the best seemed III it makes the
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otherwise it's a great movie anyway but it's it's really the seemingly put it
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over the top
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what do you think about this with Specter and the movie spektr and the
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organization is that there's there they think could be repeating a pattern so in
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the in the sean connery films there's dr. no and that's a specter movie doctor
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knows his agents inspector and From Russia With Love is a specter movie then
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the third one goldfinger was just about it was off specter was just this
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crackpot guy goldfinger in his plan and then in the fourth and fifth once they
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went back to the spektr with doctor now twice saying that with Casino Royale you
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had dishonored there was this shadowy organization that I believe you and I
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chatted about this today in prep for the show but I believing sinner out there
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was never given a name to it but there was the guy mr. white which is the guy
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who he had a great scene in the movie mr. white who had been like behind all
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scheming and the funding of worship and who saved James Bond's life by coming in
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Killingly friendly bond go when he was being tortured yeah I think it's the
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chef chef
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I'm sure the internet schiffer whatever the sheaf I guess it for the same movie
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actually it's more in this mister white guys you know obviously if not the
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highest up is a higher up in some shadowy criminal organization and then
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he's you know one of the neat things about quantum of Solace which opposition
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Skyfall I continue to like more and more as I go on and everyone
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if I read about the commentaries I did with Dan on the original series the one
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I would probably change the most if I read it now is quantum of Solace which I
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wrote at the time did not like those of a bunch of plot holes in some week
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writing the more I watch it I like it and I i even like I like the idea that
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it starts like an hour after Casino Royale
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it's like the next day yeah he's got mister white in the trunk of his car but
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you don't even know that until you open the trunk of his car when you see it in
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theaters it had been like two or three years since her ass you've probably
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forgotten about that and I think that assuming that this was a whole new story
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starting over was what ruin the movie for the people who didn't like it but if
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you watch them if you and I think that's why i like it more and more I do think
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so that it's the fact that it continues from it
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get a good day taking afternoon and wash them back-to-back quantum solace is much
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better movie than you probably didn't notice I was under the impression that
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the criminal organization and they had like the right-hand man to M was in fact
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double agent working for them you know he he betrays them and kill them in bond
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and he's the guy rescues Mr White from captivity added that organization
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Quantum of Solace it ends up that they call the organization quantum at some
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point and if you google and you know look around and just google for quantum
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organization James Bond you'll see that there's people who call that
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organization quantum and that's how I read it I guess but it would be cool
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though if if if they somehow make it seem as though that organization is
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factored it was pretty strongly hinted at least that's how I read it right and
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at that was or maybe that was the code name code name of it and the explanation
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behind the scenes was that they hadn't settled his lawsuit with the Clement
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Kevin McClory mistake getting back to the quarry the whole thing is a year ago
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in 2013 Eon Productions finally wrote a check
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you know both sides agreed not to say what it was but some amount of money
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they gave to Kevin McClory stake Corey died a few years ago and now jaan wholly
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owned the rights to specter that seems like the thing that could only happen
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after McClory dies and after a broccoli dies once once like the people who are
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actually having actually involved in that that angry battle are out of the
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picture
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cooler heads prevail right is that was one of the side effects Corey only had
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the rights to reduce in terms of Ian Fleming's material to do Thunderball
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somehow part of the side effects of this judgment was that young couldn't use
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spektr anymore and they did make a few more movies after Thunderball but at
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some point after diamonds are forever that lawsuit got to such a place where
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they felt like they couldn't or shouldn't explicitly told they can't
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make if they used specter that McCrory would get the rights to that movie too
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you know that if they put him in you know despite that then you know somehow
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specter was somehow part of what you got with Thunderball and so last year they
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finally just made it all go away and now they own the rights to it called spektr
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so I feel like they should clearly they should do that right they should make
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you know somehow blur the lines of what was called Quantum in to say that thats
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spektr yeah it could be that it was a condom was an offshoot it could be that
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that was the precursor organization with a back story we just tied together
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quickly they give us one line of dialogue they call it can give us an
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allusion to project quantum and that's good enough I hope they don't I hope
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they don't reuse the acronym the special projects and something something because
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it doesn't even really add up to specter you have to like cross out
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to get the S&P you have to count both the S&P in special you know we know what
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you're doing you just try to get to the word spektr just if you want to call it
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specter's called spektr
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yeah there's no reason to background image and the one that Fleming came up
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with was pretty been
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shield shield has a crazy yeah they they totally embrace that with the one of the
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Iron Man movie where they didn't have the acronym yet but Agent Coulson said
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I'm never home land blah blah blah blah blah and strategic intelligence
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something in logistics division I can't believe I remembered that much of it
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being here somebody says that's a mouthful he says yeah we're working on
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yeah that's actually but if you think about it actually I remember thinking
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about it when it came out it's actually good they aren't any like real clunker
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finished third you get the best you are you could have mister I think it's an
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somebody making a mini-series out
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of the stories that you in Fleming told the people to make himself sound cool I
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those things but what they could line up said well there's elements of truth in
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storyteller yeah and it seems like it's setup where he's repeatedly you know he
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series and just comes up with clever his old job is to come up with clever ideas
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whole reason he wrote the bonds series have a guy like him but does get a
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for example is just purely fiction but it's so tough to tell his so much of
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bond it was everything or nothing
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if you've seen everywhere nearly every bond movie you'd probably like Fleming
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you probably like everything I know I take it back now that I think about it
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and then edited monologue yeah and a couple weeks ago I i didnt episode about
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podcasting about what I thought the problem of podcasting is and it is
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almost impossible to say it here on this show because it's the show but it it
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sort of seems like there's the talk show and then there's a bunch of shows that
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kind of followed the template of the talk show and even even on things that
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I've done I've tried to never do a podcast about work stuff done podcast by
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design they even under very very specifically not talking about now that
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was the whole premise of unprofessional was that it was here somebody whose work
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we admire in whatever field and we are our ground rules for the episode is that
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we are not going to talk about that work
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yeah that's the one we can talk about anything but work and sometimes it would
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be crazy stuff like talking to somebody about like no elephant genitalia because
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that was just where the conversation round up with multi multi tracking that
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would be like to eat people did you know you never know where the conversation
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going to take you and that's kind of what it's like to be in a bar and talk
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to people I'm surprised frankly whatever they give multi multi so intimately
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familiar with the old thing where there's like three black guys feeling an
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elephant
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call this a different things you know it's a tree trunk its would be right at
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any time in its elephant and it's a man to mail I don't recognize that anywhere
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grapefruit sized probably bigger than I have honestly have no idea
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clearly not familiar with it I think that I think the timing was about how
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they they were or were not reconcile not appear why would they be pretty they're
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huge I don't know because they can gurus can cause they are getting way out yeah
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and I only know this was at a zoo in Australia in there are some kangaroos
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going at it like it was like the King drew on top of the female cambrian it
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was like it was kind of feeling around down there trying to find where to go
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and it was it was a very illuminating and disturbing women should be just as
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well known as the pouches and your kids in school
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younger brother and he was told kiddies in college he was taken to the
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Philadelphia Zoo and we were at the turtle exhibit and these turtles they
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have signs I mean these turtles are like some of the mail is like 85 years old
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roomies ancient superb and when you know right up behind the female and just
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right after I forget if it was the male and female or was it is impossible to
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tell because neither of their mouths really
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one of them was really really get into it audibly I mean its broad daylight
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open and I would say ten or fifteen feet away from the railing and these these
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big 34 foot grand turtles and screw it right there and open and all these kids
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are so many kids and all the kids are saying what are they doing is here and
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questioned kids are really like you know like something was clearly going on and
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it was noisy genuine concern right and for the most part this turtle don't even
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move and this the mail this hurdle is really going and it was one of the
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better it was like the reasons exist because it's what you watched you will
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head to the a five-year hurled have added or do you turn around and watch
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all the parents try to decide what I do like some of the parents were clearly of
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the let's just pretend this is nothing you know let's get real Catholic about
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this and just going to denial that this is going on and other parents were more
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of the sort of liberal open minded I don't want to act as though this is
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anything to be embarrassed about I'm going you know how to explain this to my
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kid in a sort of mature professional and and there's no way you can do the way
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that you could talk to like a 10 year old kid in a serious way about turtles
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who are having having sex it becomes a medicine
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your watching people watching animals would be a good bond movie title turtles
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having sex I'd watch it now but yet but your pot that's one of the things that
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I've had it in my notes for the next time you run the show talk about the
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podcast you called it podcast intervention
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yeah it just seems like we've had a lot of really smart people and a lot of very
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talented people but we kind of fallen into and when I say we I mean like you
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know the Apple tech community the world at large in the technique in within our
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bubble has a lot of people kinda doin' variations on the same theme and it's
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not that I think people shouldn't do podcast that I think people should do
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more packets I think everybody think it's a great way to communicate ideas
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and broadcast them I just wish that we would maybe try some other stuff too and
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maybe try some variation in the way we approach podcast we work together you
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know you know you know we work together on this show you edit the show for those
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who don't know Dave edits the show Dave even handles the sponsorship sales out
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for the show the talk show i mean it closes there is to know you are you you
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should you should be Creek you do enough work on this show that you should get a
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credit we don't have credits if the show had a kind of visuals there would be
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edited and some kind of maybe even produced by Dave with discredit on the
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talk show so it's no surprise that you're going to say good things about it
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but when I saw that episode of Better elevation I even though you don't
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remember if you mentioned my show that you say good things about the show and
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ATP something about the fact that we you know that the show an ATP work because
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the authors have strong voices that we already knew and I we get to him in
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another context something it's it's the already knew part it's you would you
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listen and talk show not because you heard there's a thing called the talks
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on through podcast you're probably asking to talk show because we doing
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fireball guy who knows I know I just assume that for us popular is the show
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has gotten I just assume that it's it's a subset of the people who read fireball
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that there are very maybe there are some that I'd love to hear from you but if
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there are people who don't like doing fireball but do you like the show
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but I do I do kind of feel like it's sort of like it's funny to start time
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some of these things together but I think it's in the way that Fleming only
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works if you're already a Bond fan there to talk show only works if you're
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already a daring fireball fan
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well yeah you you've referred to the talk show was the hike the director's
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commentary track but what I saw your your better elevation it even though
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your complimentary towards the show I took it as you know I took it as as
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motivation that why don't I up the game I do feel like I'm incredibly lazy with
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the format of the show that I was more I could do we could do anything you know i
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think thats a healthier response and really like I i kinda pissing people off
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and some people thought that I was attacking one person or another I don't
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get all of that but the night when I mentioned on the in the video that we
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have multiple podcast networks that are run by a white dude who was on more than
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one of those shows close if not every show on the network then almost every
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show on the network and it's really easy to assume that I'm talking about the
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fact that there are more than one there's more than one person that I
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could be talking about this kind of what I'm talking about right it's not like I
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guess anything particular to do with Leo Laporte or Dan Benjamin Orr
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even Moises for somebody like that or Mike Hurley ordinary or are there so
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many to choose from and that's kind of what I'm talking about where we might
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have a hundred podcasts but it seems like it may be the same twenty people
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doing all 100 of them and then again that's not even necessarily about the
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problems with any one of those people at any one of the shows that you can say
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that vague phrase you know white dude from the tech world who's on a bunch of
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shows and it can apply to so many yet in any one of those shows and when those
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people their quality shows quality people do most of them are friends of
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mine people that I would speak very highly of them in their shows in their
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approach to their work
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Mike really I talk to a lot even before like I sent him the script for the show
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and we talked a lot about the state of podcasting and what what could be done
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to push things forward he's got a great ideas and I really do think that he's a
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voice for for positive change there but at a macro level when you zoom out and
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you start to see a lot of like it's like the second time threads together they
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use them out and attack of the clones and you see just a sea of blue and green
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light sabers that wouldn't look great you start to see the problem with only
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two colors yep that's more colors in there and I'm worried that as our sphere
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of influence grows we're not really adding anything else to it like working
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with the same ingredients yeah I worry that we and by we I mean me since I have
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popular show and I really have an audience and I'm not doing any where
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near enough to exercise any sort of muscles to play with the form it's you
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know hit record and we've got plenty of the talk about and I think that it's you
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know I'm based on feedback from people in the fact that you know the the
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download numbers for the show are going up there they're going up faster than
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traffic at different fireball fireball is sort of Pete readership wise at least
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in terms of things you can measure but the show is gaining popularity and I
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think it's because I have gotten so many interesting people on who have
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interesting things to say but the forum is incredibly lazy get somebody
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interesting on the other end
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hit record for two hours and then you know has it over to Dave to get the
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levels fix the mistakes cut out whereas we could do anything you know do
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something like cereal or whatever
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yeah people were in that discussion about podcast over the last couple of
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weeks and I keep hearing the same phrase repeated which is podcasts are or are
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the new blogs which I disagree with because with a blog post presumably you
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would come up with an idea and you think through it and you had ended and refine
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it and you'd go through a few drafts whereas on a podcast you on the
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landscape it's more like sitting down and recorded conversation so it's not
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that podcast with new blogs it's more like podcasts are the new I am logs
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it's a conversation there's nothing wrong with that my my only argument is
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over I think we could also be doing other things to push it forward
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yeah I told her that I I like for example I and I'm not that nobody has
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ever done but like for something like WWDC you know instead of just doing one
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big show or like I've done last couple years like the live show which I could
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still do but why not in the course of the week do you know a couple of fifteen
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minute episodes just with you know new stuff I don't have time on day one to do
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a real episode of the show why can't I have something they hit the feed-in goes
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the podcast things which is like a 10 minute overview ya around segments
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rather than a conversation right and it would be you know in lieu Stearns cos
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the analogy doesn't hold prolong but it'd be like the way that on during
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fireball it's not just big long articles it in fact most of it is real short
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links to other things why couldn't the feed for the talk show have a bunch of
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little things in it
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yeah yeah and so it was Jason Snell was unprofessional months ago and we had
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this sort of matter discussion about podcasting and what it all means and i
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was thinkin about video and how
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you are you have you know a decent podcast the that gets a fair bit of
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traffic you're getting a 10,000 people listening to an episode but you put a
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YouTube video in tens or hundreds of thousands of views because it means
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abuse there's people out there with with YouTube channels that have twenty to
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thirty million subscribers to say nothing of the views they get your
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subscribers people who are actively subscribe to that channel and it just
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seems like there's this huge audience for this kind of content that maybe were
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just not tapped into for whatever reason and that sort of thing about that and I
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decided that whatever I do next I want I want to try something new I want to push
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the boundaries but I don't feel like we've been pushing and something that I
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definitely feel I haven't pushed yeah I'm pretty sure the way to do video i
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think is not the let's just record a podcast and will also let the camera on
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our computer stream as well we record a podcast you know what I mean like that
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show was just them filming while they were recording the radio show
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yeah it was a little bit higher production values you know I'm thinking
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like like I know some people like it some people actually like it but like
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the way that with Leo's shows the guests are all you know there's also a you know
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they're they're recording audio but they also have and some of the people are in
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studio and it works a little bit more as it looks a little bit more like a
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regular TV thing but like like whenever I've been on you know Mac break we clear
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something like that it's just a stupid view of me here in my home office
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computer with headphones on and to me that's it's not really adding anything
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to me it's almost distracting I feel like I would never enjoyed listening to
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watching this show like I don't want to see the guys record ATP that would I
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would gain nothing from that whereas I do think though that in theory there is
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something that they TTP guys could do that would be video but it's a different
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thing right right
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and that's where I get excited about the idea of video as a medium and it's a
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funny to talk about this as if it's like some new frontier that we've just
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discovered whereas your son who was 10 already knows everything about you too
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and that's just like the world he lives in and that you're not somebody into
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your YouTube channel
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well and it's funny cause it's something you know it gets to the the weird notion
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that you have to have a name for a thing and that that the name for a thing can
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affect the way people feel and see approach it you know and that it was
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possible to do what is exactly known as blogging before the word blog weblog
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call it hit but it was only after we had a name for it that we all kind of agreed
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that you'd make posts and they would you know top-down chronological order that
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it made the whole thing take off and yeah people were doing what we now call
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podcasts before the word podcasts existed I mean they were doing it before
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there was even an iPod which is where the podcast come from and I remember the
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first show I ever did was Shawn King's your Mac life and that was it was after
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during fireball started as a 2002 but the tech is only twelve years ago but
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the tech was told that there was no like way to do it over the internet I
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actually like a telephone call in and we talked for like two hours I think we
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need to be a template for this kind of thing yeah you know in the wave it logs
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sort of became a thing after cocky enduring fireball like we had a template
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weekend in New how that worked and so that that seems like a thing I
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understand it I can I can do that not the same level of quality but I can make
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a thing to that pattern and it is not that there's anything wrong with
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following the pattern it's that after a while if new new pattern start to emerge
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then maybe better problem yeah I think part of it you know if you want to have
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something that I would you call for like a tumblr for podcasts more or less yeah
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there's there's no they drop in easy system it seems like in the same way
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that anybody could sit down in front
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tumblr Foursquare space and and just make a website there's no way to do that
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for podcasts and it seems like there should be it seems like there should be
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really great software for making podcast because everybody who write software has
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yeah I almost feel like the part podcast has become known as just two people or
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or or a panel of people just turning on record in talking and that the name and
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the word itself is sort of limited the idea of what it what it can be
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whereas if we just called them shows it would be a little bit more open-ended
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and might be nice people more to do it also the word podcast has this vibe of
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dirty texting maybe I don't know I think it definitely has a sort of amateur ring
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to it just like mom did and it will will and will continue to wear off as more
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podcast get better production lies and more and more people with you know like
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and PR you know I like the millions of people who listen to cereal which is
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podcast yeah but it's a great example of what you could be doing with the medium
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it was funny to me as audio is a medium is older than movies at older than TV
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that we're not looking at that as the template is interesting to me in Kabul
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they're doing radio plays and that kind of thing you'd like to show my curly in
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case you missed talking about real life stuff these these issues that are kind
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of if the format isn't pushing the boundary that it was the subject matter
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is and that's why I'd love to see more of that but also I'd like to see people
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trying things that are just audio but there are other things we could be doing
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and we have in the same way that we it's it's so easy to sit down to a computer
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and put something on the internet you typed out where the recorded in an audio
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it sits in fact even easier as bad as
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as weird as it is that the tools don't exist to make podcasting easier it's
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even weirder that we're not doing more video when those tools do exist for
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video I feel like it's an editing problem to them they feel like the tools
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to make these will come eventually they'll probably come sooner rather than
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later but I feel like it's more than just about hitting record and then
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hitting stop and then somehow being able to quickly post what happened in between
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hitting accordance top like I'm not saying its quality anything but the
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tools for editing and posting video from your phone
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way better than podcast yeah I think it's funny that we've got these super
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high-def cameras and there's always a big push every year when the new iPhone
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comes out we talk about the camera but there's been no major advancement to the
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microphone technology right like nobody would recommend nobody would recommend
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using the built-in mic on an iPhone whereas you could record pretty pretty
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damn good video with ya but they have the audio notoriously terrible I found
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you are going to spend all this damn money on a Canon 5d Mark III and I find
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that when when I'm on vacation from traveling I just shoot from my iPhone
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because those videos US dollar yeah especially with a post-processing to the
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video you can really get pretty fairly you know I get to where professionals a
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little loaded as a pretty close to what we know what better than you can get
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better than what used to be considered professional video pretty quickly right
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yeah definitely
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and professionally loaded but ok so the video from my phone I probably wouldn't
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put into the next James Bond movie but it works great on my YouTube channel
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the shots look fantastic and I don't mean it looks great in an amateur this
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is something I threw together we can kind of like you know on that side
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screen and that's that kind of format that kind of content it works
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brilliantly as high def video there's definitely something intimate about
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video to that is different and I tell you honestly I I sometimes have trouble
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watching
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better elevation videos because I know you do it it's in a way that I have a
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lot of trouble listening to my own voice and show it was up to
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was up to me I couldn't edit this show because I just can't bring myself to
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listen to it I can listen to parts of it and you know I've done enough for enough
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years that it doesn't factor but it's it's really hard and I've ever seen on
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Letterman like Johnny Depp is one of these actors who professes that he never
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watches his own yeah and I used it I used to think that was bullshit nice to
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think just being falsely modest but actually think it's true now I think
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depending on your mind that you just can't bear to watch yourself kid enjoy
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it you can't see it the way other people do and it's like I kind of get that
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feeling when I watch your better elevation videos because I know if I
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didn't know you wouldn't occur to me you would just be this guy saying this
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interesting thing on a video but because I know you it's like wait that's dave
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and its like looking at the camera guy mentioned something about being a little
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weirded out like ours I was staring directly in my car is making eye contact
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with him but I think it's because I know you I don't know but like your most
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recent one you did without you being on camera was entirely visuals yeah it's
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like it's all sort of almost looks like slide where it was done in the style of
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my gotta give credit to have done in the style of CGP grey videos
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yeah and that that as an influence is written all over it if you've ever seen
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anything that degrades done pretty obviously and his style and it was
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partly in a modern is partly me kind of playing around with it and I realized
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that I had started to get into into habits with like the the way I was
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handling jump shots in the way of doing anything on the chilly I thought like
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well this is still really early in the whole point is to be experimenting so
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let's try something new maybe it can be terrible maybe it's gonna be on
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watchable but I'm going to try something new and it works it works so called how
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to make a hit up I found that went to prison listen to or watch you know like
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it went down like butter whereas all the ones where you're on camera to me now
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because there you're bad
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threshold it's because I know you there's something weird about that
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'cause i'm looking longingly into your eyes through your computer screen I
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don't know it's the way they whenever you see somebody you know on a video
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doesn't it to have a weird effect on you you know like I had seen Letterman
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thousands of times over the years but like if somebody I knew was on Letterman
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its weird like it's weird when I see Clint Morris on TV
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yeah right I can see that you may be right now I'm just sort of thinking out
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loud but those johnnie I videos that they've shown ever Apple releases a new
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product that same video he's talking about the aluminium and how the thing is
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contoured in the what ever imagined the whole time is talking he's staring right
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maybe a little off-putting so maybe there is an element to there's an
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intimacy too I contacted not necessarily good or bad but there might be something
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to that
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yeah maybe there's some kind of psychology but like you know the nightly
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news guys all look the camera the teleprompter set up so that it looks
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like they're looking at the camera
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yeah and I think it's maybe a instructional vs informative I don't
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know maybe there's gotta be sure somebody's done studies I don't know if
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this stuff up doing john stuart is the first half of the show looking right at
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the camera that's true could be about the distance from the camera to the
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length of time but that's often a tweet where should be go where you're not
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married to YouTube in particular that you might be switching to Vimeo its
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video not switching I'm just trying to add you to my knows a thing and 44
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search ability YouTube is the second largest search engine and that's that's
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a real thing and I don't want to miss out on the kids in their YouTube but
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also some people just pay YouTube that's understandable position and if that's
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the case now I'm on Vimeo cuz I get that killer deal so both trying to try to
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make some stuff and see what works and
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you know when it comes to words like it's interesting to me with the kids I
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hear the word youtuber and to me it sounds dismissive I would be hesitant to
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say that your YouTube right now because I don't want to I don't have it sounds
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to me like I'm insulting him calling when people call deuce Heather Armstrong
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mommy bloggers like a writer she's a really good one but it's you know
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somehow everything new I think sounds novel and diminutive like I'm sure the
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word for certain abbreviating television is TV it it's forties or fifties it
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sounded like dismissive it's just TV where is that word right who was born in
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the air over TV is just almost unimaginably dominant dominating
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cultural force it just is what it is you know the color coded anything and it
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would just seem awesome because TV is awesome you know I used to reject the
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word blog really not a good word to me he's I stuck with calling them web blogs
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for as long as I could but now it's been long enough that it's you know it it no
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longer feels like anything and I feel a youtuber is that way and I've noticed
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with Jonas Lake you know who watches obsessive amount of you to be watches
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farmer YouTube then he watches commercial television and youtuber is
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just as no plus or minus me at all it just means somebody who's shows you can
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watch on you too you know there's this really cool democratization of content
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affect where this is sort of like this was our dream right
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did the internets dream was that anybody could make stuff and just put it out
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there and play music with some friends now and we're talking about a woman
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nineties if you wanted to make a video that be seen by anybody want to make a
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record you had a record deal yet have all this money it costs a fortune now
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like we could we could record a song and make the video for the song on iTunes in
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the video on YouTube by the end of the day
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well the big thing I remember from the nineties was pressing around CDs and
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being given them out you know if you're big enough to even be booked at a venue
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than you give yourself at the venue where you're still below that you
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college campuses and stuff set up shop somewhere and just hand them out people
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yeah now we we live in this this time where you can just make stuff and put on
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the internet and it's there for anybody and that's really cool and it seems like
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the people the most creative in the most talented in the people with the access
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to the best equipment and technology could maybe be the ones making the best
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content doesn't necessarily seem to always be that way
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yeah and the last thing I really hit me about that and ties into your podcasting
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episode the podcast intervention episode is it ties into the head first if you're
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older and you're used to the words comes the new stuff seems amateur you know
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like whether it's blogging for writing your YouTube videos five-minute YouTube
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videos for video and it just seems like the lesser this is the the self self
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publish this is where the people who can't make it in the real world going
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you know pretend like they're doing it and then you open your mind realize it
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you know the good stuff could be coming from anywhere and you realize that the
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new format is the one that has the most freedom are you don't have to do it in
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30 minute increments because you're based on this TV model where everything
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has to be 30 60 90 minutes long to fit in the schedule and you can do something
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like say I have a six-minute essay on making it out and it can be exactly six
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minutes long which is exactly what I feel like if there's anything I've done
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you know successfully with form with caring fireball it's it's right in a
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forum where if I need if I need a thousand words I can use thousands of I
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need three thousand words I can use three thousand words
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and if I can make my point with three words I use three words and you could
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never do that in the print world you couldn't have you know Paul Krugman's
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column in The New York Times can't be seven words long has to you know has to
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be exhibited 50 words or 357 fifty yeah and I look it your stuff and when Marco
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stuff and Jason's now stuff and it seems especially the three of you in
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particular it strikes me that you guys have these voices that people listen to
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and got these shows like literally voices the people listen to it and there
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is an authority and legitimacy to that and it would be cool to see that kind of
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weight put behind yeah yeah I think maybe even the word intervention and
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maybe it came off a little bit more than I no like I was condemning something
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that I meant for it to but they might my whole point my the whole spirit of this
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is like I just want to try new stuff stuff because I think that a lot of
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really smart really talented people with a lot of pretty advanced technology in
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their pockets right where is the best place them where is the one place people
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can go see a couple episodes of Better elevation youtube.com / better elevation
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orbitz.com such better elevation or better elevation
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yeah I think that I think that works and jelly genitalia turtles / better
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television / hey let's talk about computers
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