00:00:00 ◼ ► hello from beautiful southern california hello from very cold dark Philadelphia I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/0">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► expect nothing less from Philly know your songs on Capp yeah well so I was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/9">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► as Arizona so we will I came through LA we go out to my moms place in Arizona [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► and come back through because it's such a long drive you can't really drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/18">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► direct from San Francisco to Phoenix cause the mountains are in the way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/20">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► about half way to my in Los so we spent a day here coming down and couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/24">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► going back so it's a twofer all the grandparents are visible and it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► good trip while driving though I'll come back to that something you wrote about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► recent al-anon wanna touch with the road trip but big picture last time you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/37">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► on the show how ya you were here till the editorial director for Macworld from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/43">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► 48 hours yeah yeah it was the day it was the night before the Apple event it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► like September 8 I think it was it was it was it the seventh I might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/55">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► recorded the seventh and published it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► yeah i think thats I think that's right I remember something to do with good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/62">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► gonna go up before the Apple event because nobody's going to listen to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► after where we were right on the cusp of the Apple event and then the Macworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► layoffs and everything happened the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/74">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► yeah that was that was pretty funny cuz I was like I i talked to John about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/76">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► anything I can't so what big new things are going to happen this week I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/83">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► frightened well there's gonna be a new year because the earth goes around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► Sun and nothing we can do can stop that so it's gonna be 2015 so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/95">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► something and beyond that lets hope nothing I could use a little less fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/101">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► it fascinates me though it really does because you know in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/110">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► things September is not that long ago it's you know three months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/117">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► yet somehow your new role doing your thing at six colors and you know it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/123">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► seemed settled already let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► settled is not quite right but it feels normal to me now that you're writing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/135">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► six colors and Mac world as we know it doesn't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/139">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► appreciate that it's i mean one of the big things I've said this on a bike Sui [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/144">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► I wish I wasn't planning on leaving I wasn't entirely sure I mean and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/150">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► on August 2010 said you directly mean you were obviously a huge inspiration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► and Jim Dalrymple and Federico teaching and other people I know who have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► out on their own John bolts and done their own websites and you know I'm some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/162">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► podcasts and some freelance and all of that and i dont thinking about that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► a while and in fact a year ago I started basically putting together a home office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/169">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► in my garage caught my eye I we had no work space in the house it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/176">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► pretty small house and in the garage was we bought a mini van a few years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► when he couldn't camper van in the garage it's too big and so the garage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► became when we were doing our kitchen it was a place where all the junk in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► house when while we were redoing it and then came back in like what we do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► garage I was increasingly unhappy with my job and I kept thinking you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► garage needs to be home office and I started building it and the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► intent was not to have really nice work at home days the intent was that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► would be my office eventually cause I would leave macworld and I wouldn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► to at least try to do my own thing rather than go you know we'd always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/209">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► joked one of the past president of Macworld and I joked that my coaches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/214">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► will be the last one to turn the lights off at macro that the end mad world will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► macworld and I had that route moment when I was watching you and Federico and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► jim and people like that that I thought to myself well one if people can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► on their own I don't need to do that here and if I'm gonna do that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/233">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► own it I wanna be that the person who does that not just kind of doing all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/238">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► work toward the mysterious overlords who owned a company who owns a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► owns a company that owns Macworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► and so I was I was planning to anyway I've been thinking about it for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► time for more than a year and then there was the two we we saw each other at xoxo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/254">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► right afterward too so I I got to see you a couple of times right around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/261">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► crazy time I saw you at the Apple events i three times in like a week and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/265">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► really funny about that time is that because of the timing because we got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► the iPhone review units and the iPhone reviews were gonna drop the following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► week and I had this moment where our normal person would have said I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/279">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► left my job of seventeen years I'm gonna take a few weeks to recalibrate decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► what I'm gonna do next and for me it was 18 already been thinking about what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► wanted to do next and to have that iPhone and was like everybody everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/292">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► knows the biggest time of year for writing about Apple stuff is when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► new iPhone's iOS and Mac OS come out and that's now so I thought you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/299">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► don't want the site like next week and select literally less than a week after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► I left macworld six colors launched not because I make total crazy person did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/309">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► because I felt like I couldn't not be out there at that moment so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/314">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► those two things that I managed to hit that site when when we were at the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► season for Apple stuff and because I don't think about it for so long that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► was ready to make it happen and that you know and it does feel in a feels great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/327">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► to see what feels right to be doing it so I think all those things maybe feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► into why it feels like a natural thing and not some crazy thing that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► happened a couple months ago even though that's sort of what happened how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/341">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► well as a macro macro seventeen years I've been doing this little more than 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/347">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► coming up 21 years of sort of full-time Apple stuff that counts so it's always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/354">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► Mac user until 9794 297 and then what happened is that which is just hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/361">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► moment in history right 97 jobs coming back but but Apple is dying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/367">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► everybody's thinking now Apple's gonna go out at Macworld Expo they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/373">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► have the cash infusion from Microsoft to keep the lights on and meanwhile they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► working on the iMac and at that moment that summer right before the bill gates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► thing in the world expo in Boston the executives at IDG and injured Davis said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► we need to cut our losses is gonna die and we get these two magazines in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/390">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► two big staff so when we just share the risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/394">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► put put the two organizations together lay off half of each staff and just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/398">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► of stickam altogether make one magazine and what it will do that cuz albums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/403">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► loser we really need to get out of this business was the single worst time just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/407">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► terrible timing because you know a couple months later even it was clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► that Apple was gonna be probably OK and then very rapidly after that much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► than ok and so as a result I went over to Macworld and it was this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/420">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► fifty-fifty joint venture where these two arch-enemy company is co-owned our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/424">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► company and we read each others throats except for us and that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/430">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► bizarre and then after a couple of years Davis was going through their getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► baden Rabat and different investors and had all sorts of financial problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► because the guy who started that company retired his son's didn't want to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► over the family business they sold it off you know it was a financial mess and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► it was that Davis was built bills if and thus if brothers his kids were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/451">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► screw this media crap we're gonna be a venture capitalists and so they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/457">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► sold the business and they sold it to me it's kind of inside baseball but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/463">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► I think Teddy Forstmann who was like one point had been romantically linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/469">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► princess diana I mean like crazy stuff in then he sold it like a year later to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► Masayoshi Son of Softbank in Japan who was who bought it I think Terry Forsman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/477">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► picked up a billion dollars by holding it for a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/482">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► pretty good deal well good job daddy and thence South Bank talk about ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► history they like just think about the basic story of picking up a billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► dollars by holding a monthly print magazine publisher oh yeah well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/493">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► it was not worth what must be some paid for it was a visionary but he was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► kind of crazy in the money he was spending was kind of crazy he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► around doing other stuff but anyway so that was so messed up that Davis was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► like we want money and IDG was very much like oh well we we messed this up and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/510">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► want to be in the Apple business macworld was the first publication we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► want to keep that going and so they bottomed out so the answer the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► you might start date as an employee was was twenty years but my my IDG employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► start date was different and that was like the end of ninety seven at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/531">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► beginning in ninety eight and then you know the buyout happened like around 99 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/535">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► or 2000 so it's a weird situation where I ended up never having to fill out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/539">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► resume and had like worked for three different owners very strange only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/543">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► the media this crazy stuff like that right and you must have been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/549">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► really young when you started a Mac user must have been right out of college yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► I I went to when I finish college I although my friends who got jobs in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/557">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► media were like working at weekly newspapers for like eleven thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► dollars a year and I basically said forget it I'm not going to do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► so I went to journalism school and although I enjoyed my time journalism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/570">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► the fact is my my college newspaper was my journalism school and I learned how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/575">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► to read news stories and features and edit stories all of that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► newspaper the things I learned in Berkeley journalism school where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► didn't want to do TV news is I tried and I didn't like it and I met any contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/586">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► I'm I met people including one of the editors and Mac user who taught a class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► there and she got me an internship so I was an intern in nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/596">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► three when I was 22 and I had a job january ninety four so yeah I was 23 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/601">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► when I started full time so I think that the historical context that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/606">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► remember is that the 96 97 was a terrible time for Apple and and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/611">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► terrible to even worse probably even worse than Apple itself was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► perception where they really were in trouble by any objective measure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/622">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► company was wasn't serious serious trouble both technically and financially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/627">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► but even given that I think that the general perception was even worse that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/631">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► it was I mean to say doom and gloom it's it's it's not you can't overstate it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/638">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► the perception was truly remember that I remember that we would be like to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► as it's not quite that bad but it was it was very much I think about this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► when the Apple AAPL is doomed has been a mean that's been around forever and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► continues to this day and on one level you know the people who make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/658">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► arguments today the facts of what their argument in our argument in to be stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► that's not really a factor that you're not looking at the whole picture but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► the back of my mind I always have that moment of let's see what they're arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/671">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► here because I was present at a time when doom and gloom was happening in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/674">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► there was due and there was gloom and it at the time it did seem like it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/678">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► little overstated but you know the fact was that that I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► overstated in that year in like 96 97 in the gill emilio and them searching for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/687">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► new operating system and and Steve Jobs coming in that seemed to be the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► where they were burning money and not selling a lot and the clones were eating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► their lunch in terms of hardware sales so even there they're big install base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► was not really benefiting them and that was where they were that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/708">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► when they were falling apart and and that's the area that you get the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► you know sell the company and give the money back to the shareholders kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/716">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► quotes is that was a moment where it was unclear whether the executives at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► time were gonna listen to the advice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/725">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► you know analysts and pundits and like become a software company and try to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/729">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► Microsoft Windows and end up being like OS two and dying and and jobs to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/734">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► credit one of the things he did when he came back and was extremely unpopular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► was killed the clones and say no no no we need to control the hardware we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► not going to just be another company we're going to control the hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/747">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► that decision actually factored into the publishing companies deciding to fold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/750">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► Mac user into macworld was all the ad revenue is coming from those twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► makers to and that just vanished Motorola power power power computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/760">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► Motorola super Mac which was a Humax didn't they call them super mega they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/766">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► got that license from Apple for like scanners but it turned out they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► use it for anything so they called they could call them super Mac with the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► computing once called a power shower Powerwave Powerwave which was the which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/778">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► was a that was my 19 apple computer that I've ever bought was a power computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/785">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► power wave power tower pro they had a whole bunch of power related things I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► never owned one but I we had a car used to couple it was when the Powerwave an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/796">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► apparent our pro they were way better than the paramedics at the era really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► really do believe I mean they were all beige they were like they were great are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► you get power computing days but they were all beige boxes but they were very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► pretty cool they were like the essentially power computing was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► Dell Dell executives in in Austin and they were trying to use Dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/816">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► build-to-order you know you order it and then we make it and then we ship it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/822">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► you technologies to to cut cut their margins and have no inventory and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► a pretty well run company I mean and I guess well-run enough that not only was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/831">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► it that really the number one clone maker but it will run enough that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► had enough leverage of some kind that Apple just bought them out rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/838">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► fight them legally exactly where we would be lawsuits for sure because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/843">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► Mac OS aid my mistake would have been to call it system system sure Mac OS aid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/850">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► a major update and what Apple Jobs realized and his people when they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► back is that the clone licenses for 47 so they basically said this is and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► don't get it and that was how they killed the clones pretty simple really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► nice and clean and then they ended up paying some people off including buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► the assets of of power computing right because the original plan for Mac was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/874">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► was a little bit more ambitious than what it ended up being it was more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► less like a nicely cleaned up version of system subsidized with that theme to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/883">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► never underestimate how much a new window chrome can make it look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► something that it wasn't but here's the thing the historical context i Apple it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/895">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► was in severe trouble and it's no surprise that if Davison IDG would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/900">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► a deal like that but it is funny like you said like people don't remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► and I was on the outside I wasn't writing you know I wasn't writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► anything you know from magazines at the time yet but I was no surprise a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/912">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► avid reader of both Mac users macworld alter the nineties so I was aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/918">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► this but that it was this weird strange bedfellows things where when the unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► the two it was this joint venture between the two archrival 10 publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► companies with a staff comprised of the two of of half of like literally we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/934">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► gonna lay off half your colleagues and then we're gonna stick you with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/939">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► magazine good luck as the owners it was a staff we were we were the Yankees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/944">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► the Red Sox ok and all of its cuz I have to have to use baseball metaphors when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► I'm on the talk show and suddenly they're like ok we're gonna release half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► and half the Red Sox and then you can have a new team good luck make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/960">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► chemistry work and it was a disaster relief I was always and there weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/964">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► they were very different magazines I think you know from the outside view map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► world was little bit more staid and buttoned up informal tone coverage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/974">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► Mac user was a little bit more casual and more like personal computer user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/983">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► centric you know like we're assuming that you're a little bit more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/991">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► be a home user or a student or an enthusiast and Macworld was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/995">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► more for the professional you're using a Mac at work and it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► authoritative tone it was actually the tag line was the Macintosh authority at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► one point and and it was the prestige I mean a bigger budget Mac user was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► a little more homespun a little more just as a reader and I was a reader of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► both in and before I started to Mackay is there and it was a little more of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► rebels and the users and people who who don't go back a farm and analog would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► something like a little bit Mac addict was even more so I think a rebellious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► kind of thing but that was definitely the the voice difference between Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► which is funny because when you think about it they were like the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► magazines in the us- that were monthly that had roughly the same budget you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► know the Mac users but roughly the same doing the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► their headquarters at the end there were like two blocks away from each other so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► these are you couldn't find things that were more similar and yet the output was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► different and the staffs were different in the culture is different so it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► of funny that even though we had all of these things in common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► the products were different and the people were different I do think to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► an outside observer and someone who is very critical I thought both were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► excellent things I agree especially compared to the other PC type magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1074">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► of the year we were in the same building as like PC computing and and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► also PC Mac and PC world and I didn't read them alive but yeah and Macworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► was full of the old man was full of people who really they wanted to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► the magazine business and they they had high aspirations and you would see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► it was a combination you look at their issues when they come out you'd be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► oh wow look what they did with that is they did the same stories a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► that we did right there's a new Apple product how are we gonna do it how are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► they going to do it you could just compare which is like that is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► serious competition like you put it to bed and you wait two weeks and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► suddenly out of the mailbox comes the competition what they do and did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► beat them today be you and they they would you would look at some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► things and be like wow that is they did a really good job other times they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► you know we we did someone better but then they would really do is they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► have these ambitions to do like like New York New York magazine industry kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► stories bigger picture stories and big features and big ideas and some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► were real successes for them and some of those were I would say failures that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► we're kind of the hubris of like you know yeah we're mackerel but really we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► might as well be vanity fair and I think that was a part of their culture their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► where macworld that and Mac user was more you know Apple people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► there because they loved writing about technology and this is not entirely true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► of both staffs but I would take predominantly there were many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► people who love magazines and we're writing a technology magazine because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► that was the job at Macworld and there were more people who were there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► they love the technology and happened to get a job writing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► magazine Mac user we were more and you saw it in the end the people who stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► around covering Apple afterward and writing about tag afterward were mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► people from Mac user and not dramatic world gather people from macro I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► remember who obviously gone on to you know to continue to do great work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► pope was a back page columnist and Steven Steven Lee video was not on staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► they were they were freelance columnist but yes I did a lot of the back page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► columns you know for a while and that was that was great features for us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► he read the back page and and he was a pleasure to work with and I still keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► in touch with him was it was a pleasure to work with my plan was always to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► figure out a way that I could get to that back page without having to do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► of the work of regular editorial staff for four years before published and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► wound up figuring out to such a way and I think I would say this into that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► best exemplified the Mac users side of that split the fact that Andy in ATCO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► was on was a Mac user writer time and you know talk about another guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► never been you know still at the top of his game now and still writing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► same stuff but the way that his his writing is so infused with his personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► style right was very very Mac user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► you know that we're just gonna let where we've got this not on our staff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► we're just going to let him know I mean that Mac user was it was Andy and Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► Breen and Pablo vidas and I mean these are people who write with personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► and that was definitely the idea when I got to Macworld that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► things that surprised me is that there was a statement that they value their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► writers that I heard a lot but it did seem to me that it was also a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► kind of generating consistent copy and what you do when you generate consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► copies you also stand that voice and I would say that was much tighter on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► front but also had less boyce and was definitely messier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► it was it was you know i i would say in fact you go back and look at all Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► users stuff and you tell me which which Mac user macworld which one would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► more reasonable on a blog today it's very clear Mac user was in that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► were they were much looser and had more voice than that I remember arguing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► fellow editorial staff resign my college newspaper trucks all 94 95 96 about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► which was better and two other guys who really really you know both India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► braiding and pursuing careers in writing or thinking about the least and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► Magners and read both magazines monthly the other two guys Adam and Andrew both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► on them out come on back roads better magazine because I think that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► looking at that you know like you said like it's a little bit more like a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► magazine magazine polished and well as always very polished didn't like polish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► but it it to me I'm I R good member my argument was it just seems to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► the people in Mac user are having more fun doing they're having more fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► putting musicians out and I was like why why would you want to get into this if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► it wasn't too have fun when I was a great I mean I still stand with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► people from Mac user and I i dont know I assume that the macro people stay in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► touch too I really can't speak to that side but we were it was agreed it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► great group of people and that was yeah we're very proud of our product I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► say that it was less polished only in in calculated ways like you wanted to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► a little wacky and and and be a little messier because that shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► personality but it was not like we didn't know what we were doing it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► like you know let's that was what we were trying to do it's like a band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► making an album that sounds raw and super produced its because you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► that the effect you want and and honestly if you're if you're the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► two then you don't want to pretend to be number one you want to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► different and that was very definitely number 22 macworld so that was what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► did and it's it's just funny that in the end in the end I spent 17 years old but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► if you'd asked me the first three years I was working in the business of you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► and and Brandon I'm most associated with in my career which is just crazy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► every now and then on Twitter I get there two things I get like there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► alarm that goes up every three months or so somebody sends me a thing saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► this you at the at the iPod announcement event because there is a reversal of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► audience a couple of times and I minute I'm totally yes it is me and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► one that pops up is hey I was watching this rerun of friends and there's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► Chandler is reading an issue of Macworld and I thought you know and they think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► me and they're like oh isn't this cool it wasn't friends and I appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► because of thinking of me in connection with the brand that's great I was a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► user with that episode was so pissed off at Macworld Chandler would have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► Mac user guide yeah I know you could he be more of a Mac user guide but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► end now I like I love it because there's a mad magazine and friends that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► that would be that guy would read computer magazine that was shorthand for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► what kind of a nerd he was and that's great but it's funny cuz that's how far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► I've come around now is at the time it was just it infuriating cuz our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► arch-enemy got on must see TV on NBC and now I look back and it's like a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► my friends it's great it's just it you know that's what happens I end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► spending 17 years at what was originally the arch enemy I i imagine that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► using the baseball metaphor but I imagine that's what it's like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► like a giant fan and then you end up getting drafted by the Dodgers and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► for the Dodgers suck well you know now I'm a Dodger fan it's great but I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► there anymore and I'm here or that your son or something you know we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► changes your perception after who gives a crap you know you know this plan for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► the Red Sox you know next day you're going out you're buying a lot of Red Sox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► and then before before we leave the subject the last thing I wanted to touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► on those that Apple terrible shape 96 97 print industry as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► almost unspeakable II high at that time like buchanan you think in hindsight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► what how could that be because I think in hindsight we can all see the writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► war that newspaper and magazine publishers didn't get the internet still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► don't to a large extent and that it even if they did that way that it was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► affect advertising revenue and the time that people spend reading and how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► spend reading it was all going to be massively disrupted and you'd think by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► that would have been evident but it wasn't because profits were at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► all-time high and I say this as someone who was at the time working as a graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► designer at the philadelphia inquirer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► they had the money was a mean that was where all the advertising was there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► no there was momentum on the internet people were getting interested in it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► there was no money would be crazy and I you know I had somebody tell me we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► not interested in doing a web page is the future is on compuserve I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► was just they were not there was so much money in print advertising my computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► shopper which was also is if Davis property when I was at the Davis that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► was like a phone book that came out every month and all it was was adds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► there was enough editorial to allow them to use the editorial rate when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► postal service but it was it was not meant as an editorial product was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► catalog and that was just literally we just made a thing so you can put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► ads in this thing and then we'll send it out that we could I was the world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and the reason why was because the only way that as somebody who is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► buying external hard drives or skazhi cables or printer cartridges are all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► the various crap that you needed to buy to keep your office running you needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► something like computer shopper so that you could see what was available and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► what it costs and that was how you shop for stuff I'm when I write when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► macro thing happen and I was going to xoxo Patel from the birds immune email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and said would you like to Reddit reddit thing we're scanning about old metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► covers which led to read a thing about the fundamentals in prison I said sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► and that was that was what I ended up going with his I thought ok verges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► audiences is pretty young they may not even remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► computer magazines anything because of an oddity you see in an airport or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► something and that was the point I made was there was a time when the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► you found out about a new product and the only way you found like what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► could buy was by buying a computer magazines like the computer magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► would come out and you would you would pore over the pages to find out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► Apple announced tour with Microsoft announced or whatever you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► interested in and then in the backyard leaf through and be like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► monitor should I get or what cable can I get an you know there's an ad here for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► you no 1 800 max and here's Mac warehouse over here in club back over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► there and you you pour over that stuff and I did that I mean I would go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► ten twenty times parsing every sentence about which powerbook I wanted to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► and parsing every list of products in the different back of the magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► catalogs for the best you know the best deal on some accessory in the new colony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► hundred-number and giving your credit card and then ship it to you and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► it like five days later that was the way though the tech world worked now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► really different back then that was the magazine was not the only but almost the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► only conduit for that information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► people just did not see the destruction coming newspapers is classified at right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► thing needed to buy like you need to run it you got a new apartment moving out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► town and by September you've got to find a new place to live with the only way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► do it was today to use a newspaper there was there was no plan B is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► essentially a monopoly just because of the you know that they were the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► ones maybe there's a weekly I will say the one thing that I think was a sign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► hindsight of the magazine stuff on the part was all of those catalogs started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► printing you know they they started doing all their money into cadillacs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► like we're gonna print catalog in the mail order companies just became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► catalogs and they they they took the hit on postage in hindsight I also think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► they should just hired a couple of young editors to wrap enough content around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► to call it a magazine Mac warehouse magazine but and that actually really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► put that was the first time I think this computer magazines really felt the pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► of their ad revenues going down was the catalogues were like a guaranteed seller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► for them and then suddenly they would pull out and go back down to a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► pages because you know they would they would rent the list from Macworld and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► then send everybody who gets macworld the catalog and it was cheaper and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► was less money for Macworld and that totally happened so that there were some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► signs right that things were starting to break apart and computer readers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► always going to be the first one to embrace that new technology so I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► knew that they would be the ones to we would we would feel it first and we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► yeah and it's it's the same reason why ten fifteen years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► blogs first started becoming a thing that so many of them were technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► focus adjusted unbelievably disproportionate number of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► technology focus compared to the interests of the world at large because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► the people who are enthusiastic about technology you were able to get up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► that's the story of my life which is a nice job at a publisher and so when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► wanted to experiment with blogs I couldn't really read about technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► because it was my day job so you know all those great tech blogs being founded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► then and I didn't like a stupid TV blog which was great and it was early in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► days of blogging and I learned a lot but that was one of those funny things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► I ended up experimenting in all of these other areas because my employer wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► that interested in experimenting and who's there that's you know that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► do so many side projects is four years my employer wasn't interested in trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► those things out there were there we're looking at where all the money was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► coming from which is that that's the core of the innovator's dilemma right is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► very hard to focus on something when there is this giant second money rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► for any let me take a break and thank for sponsoring the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1947">TS</a>]
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00:32:50 ◼ ► you've got three terabyte drive 6 terabyte drive in its all filled up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► junk Backblaze will back it doesn't matter they don't charge extra if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► have more it just takes longer for the initial backup that's if there's a catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► that's it that if you've got six terabytes of stuff to back up well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► going to take a long time to get a backup backup backup and then it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► everything else is incremental after that you just install back place on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► Mac I can't emphasize how some pluses install it you sign up for an account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► you don't have to pay for a month free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► try it out everything gets backed up and then what do you do from that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► forward to stay backed up nothing you just keep your Mac running and it runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► in the background and every once in awhile just uploads what's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► keeps everything they've got an iPhone app so that you can access your account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► which will get you access to anything any of your files that are back-to-back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► plays you can just grab them from the iPhone app at any time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► email right there from your iPhone or whatever when you're away from your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► so it's got plenty of uses that are not just about catastrophic oh my God my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► whole hard drive froze up I've got nothing I need to restore everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► they can deal with that but it's also useful for just restoring one file at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► time when you're on the road at somewhere else and you just need to grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2051">TS</a>]
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00:34:19 ◼ ► need your whole system restored you don't have to wait to download the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► thing you can you can pay a little bit of money and put everything on a USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► hard drive and overnight it to you and then boom they are the next day with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► hard drive with all of your stuff unbelievable peace of mind knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► you've got everything backed up offline out of your house out of your office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► where do you go to find out more I can't believe there's still people who listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► haven't signed up here's where you go go to Backblaze dot com slash daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2088">TS</a>]
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00:34:59 ◼ ► it I guarantee you you'll sign up and then after that here's what you pay you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► pay five bucks a month per Mac that you're backing up that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► five bucks a month everything backed up so my thanks to back place just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► tremendous tremendous service really I say that before I say it again I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► they stop sponsoring the show because everybody who listens to the show signed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► up for them at some point which brings me to a post you had on 66 colors this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► week about sponsorship that in Goa which you say no other gatekeeper but me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► you wrote there one of the privileges of being an editor that before you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► have to worry about that there really was a separation between editorial and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► you know that you just worried about you guys on the editorial side just worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► about where you gonna write about and yet to sell stuff that's old stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► you know in theory told that in theory they could have sold an ad that you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► were you know some somehow uncomfortable with than you could have had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► discussion or whatever but for the most part you didn't need to worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► but now as one person publishing company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► you do yeah there was a turns out there is a great luxury in being able to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► editor at large organization and winsome that is selling me like we had a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► of like DVD Ripper apps that were you know spamming or forums and writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► these fake post native add posts about that were posing as how to use but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► was for their software industry awful gently stuff and we had the luxury of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► being behind the scenes we would complain about that but we also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► luxury of saying hey guys it's not us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► you know we have sales people they don't tell us what to write and we don't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► them what to sell and when you are in my position and your position I mean you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► got right now I don't have anybody selling spots for me but that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2211">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► my recording dial me know you've got somebody said something about it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► small operations like you you get you and maybe Dave working on an ad sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► and and you know it comes to you you're the proprietor even if you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► somebody selling for you and with podcasts like this when I have somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► to lean on my podcaster you do when you've got your the proprietor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► even if you've got somebody selling it and you have to make that decision you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► have to say is okay and and so even if it's not you know every ad is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► personal endorsement and you can't have somebody say that to me and I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► posts like i dont another developer but I know I can look at a developer service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► or tool and say that's too seems good to me that seems on the up-and-up it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► worth it if it's with the audience yeah you can't have you can't have it like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► know it sounds great that you would only take a sponsorship from a service or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► product that you actually use and the deck for a while maybe they still even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► say that but then with the decades of big 30 site network and its not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► hard to say that somebody somewhere in the network is using this thing but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► it's just you and it's just me I can't do that now and and it's not even fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► like I used BB code something up I used when I accept a sponsorship from Kota of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► course I would code is an amazing out from a great company and in theory I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► maybe someday I would use it as my criteria is is this something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► would recommend because I use it that that criteria isn't too limiting is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► something that I would recommend readers investigate and consider yes absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► that's right criteria and has to cross it has a little harder to define but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► something you feel comfortable on one level it's just to be comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► it and say I think this is a legitimate product all that again I don't wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► throw the guys under the bus who did that sponsorship of the fact it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► have a story and I think part of the problem is a language barrier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► although I'm skeptical of that product and tell iris products including iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► computer virus that seems really shady to me and they have you know again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► have a marketing story that I think they're not telling effectively but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► bottom line was I don't believe in iOS antivirus I don't think that's a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► and I don't think I think my audience doesn't think that's the thing and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► skeptical about Mac antivirus but at least I'm a little more open minded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► about that and so when it when I posted this thing which you know I didn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► didn't read the stuff closely when I gotta cuz I was traveling and I put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► up in like before as I was going out the door and then people started saying what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► the hell is this and I you know I didn't have an answer for them and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► that moment you know if i dont can't conceive of somebody asking me and me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► having an answer that's probably not a product as if I'm not comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► standing by it to that point not saying I tried it not like it but I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► is a reasonable reasonable person would think that this product is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► and you should check it out that that to me would be the difference and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► know while sitting in the passenger seat of my car i didnt blew up while I drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► the first leg of the second leg and I opened up my phone unlike OG's and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► the course of an hour I responded to the tweets about it look more at at at at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► the company's responses thought about it a little bit and then I actually opened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► up you know I transmit for iOS and edited the include file for the sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► my server and I took it out and i deleted their post and I posted a tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► about it and I sent an email to the guy saying look I'm gonna get a refund your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► money but I'm not going to I'm not gonna run the ad cause I'm not comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► with it my audience is comfortable with it and actually got a text from Lex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► Friedman saying what it what if I what if I sell that spot for you I said sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► you want to sell it and he did and I posted the new ad all all from sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► passenger seat of my car my phone which is a pretty fun like technology story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► but but yeah it was it was educational I couldn't run and hide behind the sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► people and you're you're in the exact same boat and Jim Dalrymple is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► same boat all of us who are out here doing this thing we aren't we aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► insulated like so we have to make different rules and and there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► expectation that some people have that when we read an ad on podcaster or post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► a sponsor on our sites that it's a personal endorsement and what I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► is if I have used the product I will and I want to talk about that I will talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► about it but you're not your money doesn't buy my personal endorsement my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► personal endorsement can't be for sale that's the flip side of the family is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► impractical to try every product and not every product is for you even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► the flip side is I want the freedom to evaluate every product that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► and if I'm selling evaluations that calls the whole thing into questions you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► have to you know those rules are very different than if you're in a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► editorial organization we still have to kind of come up with the rules and tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► to disclose them to your audience as best you can I think but it was a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► lesson for me I'll tell you that antivirus falls into it interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► crevice it's a close call and and I would say that the sibling antivirus our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► system clean up utilities oh yeah yeah and I don't think I've ever taken a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► sponsorship for a antivirus because I really do believe strongly that you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► only don't need it on a Mac but you actually caught typically cause more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► really do believe that and you know for iOS that even more so I think it's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► that point you're talking about snake oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► now there's possible you know I don't know the case of this month so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► talking about it possible that you could use something on iOS that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► something to do with antivirus where you're scanning email attachments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► somehow I think that's what they're doing is this attachment in your email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► and maybe in your Dropbox or stuff like that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► viruses but it's not going to affect your your iOS device right it's not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► hard for me to come up with a what if scenario where it would have some actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► practical utility in theory but I don't see how it exactly it's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► doing anti piracy at the system level on iOS like what you think of traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► and simplified a marketing message and its protect your right your iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► that's not right and that's that's I think that's where a lot of this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► comes from and they clean up utilities are to me it's a little bit more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► the antivirus to me is a little bit more on the dark side of the gray area and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► the cleanup utilities are little bit more on the light side but I have have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► have had sponsors who run you know clean up utilities and I think it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► awhile I remember somebody on Twitter one time just you know they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► being antagonistic they weren't trying to to to jab me but it was an honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► question nearly do you use this would you recommend it and I remember thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► like probably not and I kind of felt a little like I didn't take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► sponsorship back and I don't quite regret it but it was closest I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► come because I wasn't sure because I don't think a lot of that stuff is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► that useful either I feel like part of the genius of the OS 10 system design is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► that you don't typically get the system doesn't degrade over time did happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► with classic Mac OS in if you weren't careful they want a Mac I mean so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► of these things happen because it's like we have a problem with an injury product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► we need products and they can't really do much but they want to have that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► spread of products and so they come out with one although you know clean up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► especially with SSDs there's totally and they may be out there but it's totally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► good case to be made for clean that's doing smart things like you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► apps from 2004 that you that you migrated and you've got duplicate files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► in all these different places and you get iTunes Match turned on but like so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► could save a lot of space by deleting your music folder stuff like that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► there is an argument to be made but you're right then you get into details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► until I can do I really believe in this particular product enough to not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► to endorse it but enough to expose my audience to it that cause there is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► is some understanding between between us and our audiences that some of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► going to be vetted at least right on the up-and-up right not necessarily we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► endorse it news personally but it's on the up and up and I i think thats right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► I think they should expect that from us that the next date all the way back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► next but that the cocoa preferences system is so braindead super simple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► you know it's not genius because it's this complicated genius system it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► genius because just simple it's like one of the simplest stupidest things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► could do where each app has a unique identifier and they just use domain name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► so like you know like bare-bones its com dot bare-bones . BBEdit yeah . plist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► file goes in your library preferences folder and it's guaranteed to be unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► because that domain name belongs to bare bones that they get to control that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► know there's com dot Apple . male for male and it's just a file and the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► reads from that file and your preferences and if you delete BBEdit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► that com dot bare-bones . you to delete the app that files is sitting there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► only a couple hundred kilobytes and it never gets in the way it's not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► database that's getting gummed up it's just a file in the folder in your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► know there is no harm so if you've tried fifty different text editors and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► settled on one those 49 preferences files in your preferences folder don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► know it's gonna be when you get adobe cs4 and cs5 cs6 in there or on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► hand like something like well I never use GarageBand so I delete the garage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► band that man has a four hundred mega loops and loops yeah there's there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► there's like a huge Application Support folder relatively huge compared to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► ads that you know and again if you're on an SSD and space is at a premium because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► you know like the default SSD is still a 256 gigabytes you could save some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► serious space and it's hidden away now that the library folders invisible by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► foremost you know 44 new user accounts it's not something you know I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► how a cleaning utility could actually help like a typical user if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► carefully written you know but it's a borderline call can I tell you about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► favorite my favorite preference joke at Adobe of course there is in mind me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► being yours too I don't know in my user library folder so guilty / library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► there's a folder the Application Support folder right which is where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► supposed to read all your folders I reread your preference files I also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► a folder in my library called application support / Adobe / Acrobat as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► the name of the folder I don't even know that I didn't even know that was allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► to have / as in a in a folder named but somehow they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► you magnificent bastard who did it and I just makes me want to delete it and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► every time I see it it just makes me laugh like how incompetent is that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► job here in the Application Support folder totally nailed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► screenshot it's it's super nerdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► but that was actually went when when the next acquisition was made and where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► gonna make one operating system with the best of everything one of the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► was next was a traditional UNIX system that uses / as the directory separator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► so / was not a backslash but you know / was something that you couldn't put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► a file named her folder named you try to type it would give you a minus or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► something right but HFS Apple disc format where circus oh well whatever HFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► used system file system used a colon colon was the separate raids are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► couldn't type of colon in a name so you could type slashes and sauce you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► like a publication you might preach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► issue of a newspaper a weekly newspaper I think maybe we did you know it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► be like you know month / week month or year / month / date and so we had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► these things that slashes in the actual file names and there was seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► something's gotta give here but there was a white paper he wrote it but I met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► there's an ex engineer wrote a white papers figuring out a way to is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► bottom line you know the bottom line the penalty we had to pay is that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► have a colon or a slashing funding for real but you can look it looks like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► have a slash in filename it somehow is fake like when it looks like you're / in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► a filename it's not a slash of it but it all worked out it actually did work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► we had we had that we have a catastrophe where we we we did that we at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► at Macworld changed our founding form it used to be the volume number in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► issue numbers so it'd be like 16 / 04 and that was the whatever that was April [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► of cd4 + 16 Friday April 2000 issue and when I was 10 and we moved in Malta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► dashes because we are afraid there was a period where I was 10 would not let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► input the / it would it would transmog refine it on the fly to a dash dash is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► where dangerous and to this day my scripts I have to do a lot of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► POSIX path stuff because if you get if you get an alias in the Finder it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► in with colon delimited and then there are other tools that wanted as a as a as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► a UNIX path of POSIX path and you have to do like POSIX pass path of alias in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► order to get it in the right format so that you can you can send it to a script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► yeah I don't think anybody is is more familiar with the crazy rules over how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► to specify HFS versus you passed than anybody's really Apple script it's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► inevitably without a script boy we are in the weeds now you you used to shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► script which is an incredible Boone Apple script to be able to fire off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► unix script and get a result that it's great but if you're using something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► the Finder UNIX shell script doesn't understand those Collins so you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► convert it and then you sent it off and so that yeah that happens all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► yeah I do that with markdown actually that that was one of the things I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► always do is i'd like grab something in return marked down and get the results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► back that you got to get the right to wear what we talked about before file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► system well all days next couple sponsors sponsored conflicts I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► that's where ya i think thats probably I remember in the early days of doin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► sponsorships during fireball weekly one that I was telling myself the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► conflict I can remember having was in this is the time to remember it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► brief period there was some controversy over app bundles oh yeah yeah definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► you know like those you would like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► come out sort of against him as sort of devaluing software at least the extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► ones really getting you know an inordinate amount of software for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► seemingly absurd low price and then a bundle wanted to sponsor them fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► and I don't know I was very active member which bundle it was but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► very conflicted because I felt like on the one hand I've just written against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► them but on the other hand you know it's a good deal it is what it is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► and nobody you know it's not like the bundles were putting these absent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► bundles without their permission was you know i think im wind up going with it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► did it I took it because I thought you know it's in some sense you you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► be the publisher you know every publication there never really was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► wall between editorial and advertising even a big organization it might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► seemed like a wall in the trenches yes but eventually you work up the check the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► chain and there's a person whose responsibility and are typically their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► title was like publisher certainly newspaper industry that was the title is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► somebody who is concerned with both things for me I mean that's what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► said about my job is that i sat on that i sat on the top of the wall and as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► got to shield my people from the stuff that was happening on the other side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► the world's best I could but my boss was the president of the company and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► head of city was either the head of sales themselves or the head of sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► reported to them and at that level you know they were always conversations now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► again my job was to kind of steer them in the right direction and protect my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► people from it but you know ultimately yes if you have if you have a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► the business people are going to have demands that they're going to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► make and then it becomes part of the game to negotiate and get things back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► a in a place that everybody can live with that is not you know for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► editorial side that is it was always part of my job at the top is harder you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► know what you're saying it's like now it's all exposed this is it's this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► here the guy you gotta you gotta do it you gotta you gotta make that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► right but overall you know in seven years ish 78 years of selling weekly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► sponsorships there have been very few times where it's come up i mean NNN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► never even been very few times that I've had to reject a sponsor seems like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► know I'm hoping I'm hoping that actually is a part of this it's partly me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► it's also partly just in the environment that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► I'm hoping it doesn't happen this was one out of like 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► don't even know what twelve weeks 10 to 14 weeks something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► well and like I said you I really do think that antivirus and cleaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► utilities are sort of especially in and I said darker side is the antivirus are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► exception that there are can't think of any other topic you know it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► advertiser that in that area well I could say I could see him again I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► think I would come down on the side of not running out for them but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► there are a lot of a lot of memes that go through our our community and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► audiences as they enter all interconnected right i the thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► six colors when I see you post a link and I'm like well I could post a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► that but everybody's reading John sites or do I even need to bother actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► think about it you know we are all kind of in the same ecosystem together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► there are some of the means that come out like there's the whole you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► you're not paying for the product and then you're the you're what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► selling and I could see something like that coming up where there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► products that is going to sponsor you and what they're really wanting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► obviously it's free and isn't it great and i could see people being like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► that's you know that's no good there's this other developers trying to sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► these guys are doing it free and they're just gonna get our information and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► that I could see scenario like that although it doesn't seem to have come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► up to now but I could I could see something like that that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► unpopular with part of the community because it seems to be the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► that we all rail against like what you were saying about the app bundle but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► think it's encouraging that you haven't seen a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► that and it's and it's good but i i think it's worth you know this is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► inside baseball but I think it's worth people hearing that it's not like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► don't think about these issues and take them seriously and honestly I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► that's one of the downsides of the big organizations with the separation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► church and state is there's a clear message and I think people even get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► trained to expected from everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► which is you know we don't care like the editors of the ones you talk to have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► you never hear you never talk to the salespeople the organization doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► really care less if they were serious black eye for the organization and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► you know why even bother they're just gonna be crazy stuff against advertised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► and with us you know we do take it seriously and that's no that's not true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► that's not how we wanted to be i mean there's also reason that our sites don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► have junk all over them because that's crappy but some big organizations have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3534">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► littering their sites with with junk Jay Rosen whose teaches journalism at NYU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and you know big presence in sort of the whole inside baseball world of online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► journalism but I think he said I want to put words in his mouth but something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► the effect of if you work at a publication doesn't matter whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► print or online or both or whether it's new or old but if it's big enough you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► know that it's not just like a one person but it's big and you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► be isolated and just concentrate on editorial if you don't understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► business model of the publication years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► screwed you're not you're not being responsible and you're probably screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► it all the way he freezes you should quit your job which is probably a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► extreme but she's not wrong that you should you should understand why your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► company does what it does and what decisions they're making and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► they're good or not and you know i over the years I have been fortunate to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► with a bunch of incredibly talented people but what I will say is I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► always surprised at how some incredibly intelligent talented people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► would have no conception about how parts of our business worked even though some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3614">TS</a>]
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01:03:29 ◼ ► editorial and product management to identify things that would make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3809">TS</a>]
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01:03:56 ◼ ► appreciate when we're sort of waves his hand like hey pay attention this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► really important because a lot of people in journalism don't want to hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3840">TS</a>]
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01:04:24 ◼ ► the belief that if you're a journalist that you should almost like obligated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3864">TS</a>]
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01:04:41 ◼ ► especially us' centric or not but it certainly seems owned the newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► industry that it was just almost almost religious that it was you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3885">TS</a>]
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01:05:41 ◼ ► an East Coast thing called Metro its free daily newspaper I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► they're still around here in Philly but it was they they were a FREE daily and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3947">TS</a>]
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01:06:06 ◼ ► enquirer in the daily news and you know because if you could read the Metro for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/3966">TS</a>]
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01:10:07 ◼ ► it's actually affected by what the business does well you know the truth is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/4207">TS</a>]
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01:23:22 ◼ ► using movable-type for which i think people you're using yes yes I don't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► a mean joke would be of alaska this five was not so good I heard from the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► who are the current support license people for movable type in there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► you know that we want to talk maybe we can get your license if we can use you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► as an example and one on one level that's interesting but then I also was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► kinda thinking I'm not sure they they added anything that I would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► want and I'm fortunate to have my friend Greg nice is like survived with pearl 41 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► and movable type 42 and so on in a way I've got an off the shelf you know CMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► from five years ago or eight years ago and the guy who can customize it to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► whatever and so that's pretty good and I threw out all their templates I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► use any other templates one adult the site templates it's all original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► templates but you know sometimes it's just go with what you know and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► movable type is old and weird I also know it like I i i couldnt WordPress but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► I actually don't know WordPress I would have to learn a lot about WordPress or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► Squarespace or anything that I was doing in and I thought I've already got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► server here it's already raining movable type for some other projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► just do that I I can do that without learning anything about the CMS and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► can just focus on the content and getting the templates live and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► was launching a site in the week that seems like a good idea so you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► you do you have I am IMT pluggin that led to give you like posting interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► from the iPhone I don't think I do see that to me is the game-changer and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► don't know and I know that we're press has like a pretty good maybe even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► iPhone optimized interface and then I forget who else would I am to you I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► Brad choke dat who is a longtime six-part employee wrote the plug in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► region it goes back to my 2008 I mean it came out and maybe even 2007 it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► very early it you know it doesn't give you all of movable type it only gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► you just pick a blog either picking you make a new entry or edit an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► entry and then when you open an entry just you know here Tuesday fealty shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► so I had my little bit just to make it a little bit more specific to how I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► the fields but that's what I did with Greg wrote a plugin that does audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► podcast Movable Type is problematic because movable type doesn't know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► what the white counties and you're supposed to put that in the RSS feed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► length of the byte count of the file you're linking to and so he just read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► plugin for me that there does that and that means I can keep using it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► little bit like you know when I D person saying I know that there have been five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► versions of Adobe Photoshop that have come out but we're just gonna stay on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► diversion 3 because it works for us and we were ok it's a little like that being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► on this old CMS but it works fine and if the point that it doesn't work fine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► got a perfectly reasonable database format and I could migrate it somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► else but you know what I said knowing somebody who can write a movable type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► in in a few hours to solve a problem helps a lot I could do anything with six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► colors though it's so simple in Kabul as much crazier it's a movable type but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► it's got like multiple blogs and they're all related to each other so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► the incomparable is no longer one thing right right cuz its metal podcast so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► we've got we've gotta podcasts blogs and episodes blog and they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► inter-related that's how you can generate multiple podcast feeds and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► master list in a master feed and all of that is actually a bunch of movable type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► things that's a totally crazy thing but it works and and we built it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► there's just things that that damn Benjamin CMS didn't offer and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► not things dan we should ever have built because his other shows would never use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► them but i wanna index so that people can find out that we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► Raiders of the Lost Ark in like episode 8 or something and they can go to a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► and scroll down to Raiders of the Lost Ark and there's a link to the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► where we talked about it in the end campsite was never gonna do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► that's not his fault it's just didn't make sense for him but I wanted this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► features so we built this crazy thing and movable type and you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► it's crazy but it works pretty well and once I had that up and running it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► really easy to just add the six colors blog on on two movable type 2 because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► was already wrangling it and Greg are ready so we decided to do that too nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► a mobile type is you know it's template language is fairly simple but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► pretty robust and and it's it's rendering seven pages which means you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► not gonna get fireballs I still well everybody renders static pages it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► a question of whether they're rendering them immediately or whether they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► that's true that's when caching with with WordPress has gotten a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► which is which is good and I've used WordPress its I'm not comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► stuff like this is is is in some cases as a nerd litmus test a little bit right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► it's like oh what blog platform to use and there's somebody movable type is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► cool it's old and weird but right tool for the job you know right tool for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► job and and and I'm a big believer in that that I shouldn't have to spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► week hitting up to speed on a platform that's gonna let me do exactly what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► was gonna do on the thing that I already know and if I had to jump I would impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► when I'm thinking about doing like site registrations or something for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► website that that one option I have to do like a membership of voluntary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► membership for six colors there's a move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► there's a there's a wordpress plugin that does a good job with that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► thats what Ben Thompson is using or if not he's customers I know told me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► you know if if if I want to I can set up a wordpress instance to and use that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► that and not for the rest of it and just have them interconnect and I can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► it's not you know it's it's not necessarily bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► to to do stuff like that but it does make me feel that cool when I get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► email the other day from somebody was like I I see your this feature on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► blog and I would like to implement that I assume you use WordPress like idea how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► ok bad news not using WordPress yeah I've gotten over the years to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► combined post thing although we're definitely doing WordPress but you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5392">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► I don't know how you do it in WordPress but I know exactly how you doin movable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► type so especially for just wanting to get it up soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► it made him a lot of sense to you to do that now i know i cant like Movable Type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► it's funky and weird but an argument with somebody when they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► what real real mark down haha I mean don't get me started to get you started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► but I had a moment where I said you know I still consider markdown IPL the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► definitive merger down and they vary I think they're being very smart they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► yeah but you don't actually you know how much of what you do actually gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► processed by Martin PL and I said all of it because either I run it in a script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► in BBEdit output HTML a pace that in somewhere or I'm using movable-type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► which is using the market and IPL on the fly to convert those to HTML so I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► know it has the advantage to even my the markdown dingus a daring fireball which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► is extremely popular then I mean I thousands of the number of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5455">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► use that webpage everyday is greater than I think the daily readership of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► daring fireball when I went full time it's it's that popular it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► little PHP forum where you can enter some marked down hit a button and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► gives you the output beneath which you can then copy and paste elsewhere which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► I originally wrote just for people I didn't think people would actually use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► it as a tool to or I thought it was just like if you're learning this you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► reading about this you want to learn to type something here and then you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► the output here and there's no better way to learn then you know you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► that you put asterisks around the word and then in the output it puts em tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► around the word but people use it on a daily basis just like I want to convert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► I I need to get some I need to have this in HTML quickly dashed out here hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► button and copy and paste in have to really that's great but it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► but behind the scenes it still costs out to the perot voters and its sound when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5514">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► did that I thought well that's never gonna scale like if this page gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► popular it's got to be slow but it's not it's caused the whole thing is so stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► simple that even if it's a PHP script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► that calls out to the UNIX shell scripting a text file and then put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► put back in it all takes place in a fraction of a second you're waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► longer for the network then you are for my server to do that no matter how far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► yeah I remember when running a prescrip was actually like you know stop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► presses right it was like to rate this and see just Wright like a perl script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► and it's like wow it'll take a second or two for Pearl to fire up but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► don't so much easier to do it I will take a break and is sponsored by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► circle back half an hour I have the research department the award-winning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► research department here at the talk show has found the white paper that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► was talking about its by Wilfredo Sanchez I cannot believe I forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► friends name because I've even had drinks with him at the BBC great guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► it's a used next two thousand presentations from the year 2000 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► challenges of integrating the UNIX and Mac OS environments and I will put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► the show not guaranteed it is I swear it sounds very dry but it is a terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► read if you have any technical interest in this sort of thing like well how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► you square the circle of having a classic Mac OS with colon separators and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► Unix with / separators and other issues to like the fact that the UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► filesystem did not file a DS and the Mac had aliases Indonesia symlinks and Unix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► didn't have a lease is indeed have some links and etcetera etcetera how did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► make it all work it is a wonderfully well you know it's typical just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► someone who would be a great engineering Apple it is it's written in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► in very very clear language so I will put in the Schonert don't forget that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► right and in my ipod my apologies to anybody out there who's listening who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► remembered that Freddy Sanchez wrote that paper and for the last 35 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► has been writing email while they listened to us continue when you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► Twitter feed back that's like oh you can't answer is this just keep listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► we gotta so I apologies that I know where you are in the shower right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► your patience will be rewarded just keep on listening you had another talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► the interview so anything that is something that was going on over over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► Christmas right this whole thing where Sony Entertainment got hacked by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► somebody many people including EUS government believe either by the North [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► Korean government or by a group sponsored by the North Korean government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► perhaps in protest of this movie Seth Rogen James Franco or his or her sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► President Obama Colin James flaca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► conflating in with the Ravens quarterback Joe is like a you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► movie that is about comedy about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► assassinating North Korean leader Kim jong-il right there they're asked by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► CIA to to assassinate him and then they got hacked and all this embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► stuff came out and they got threatened there were threats whether they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► real or imagined than any of the other was first come out on Christmas day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► guess in any there are threats that any theater that showed it was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► perhaps suffer some kind of terrorist attack they said there would be another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► 911 add another 90 theaters near you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► yeah right which doesn't seem like yeah you gonna fly how many airplanes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► the editors decided I think I I think it was a mistake but I think they made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► simple economic decision which was well christmas is a huge time for movies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► period this movie in particular wasn't going to be a big hit anyway just screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► this movie and keep the theaters open and then you know next thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► Sony wanted to release it online and they did but iTunes was not among the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► streaming outfits that had it on as re-record re-recording on the 29 29th it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► hit iTunes yesterday the 28th I think that summarizes the situation yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► there was there was one weird story that I that suggested that Sony had called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► the white house asking for help in getting out ball to put it on iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► which I I have not seen any corroboration of that but that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► one that struck me is like that's weird that's a weird yet that was the new york [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► times and it was an off it was just like in the middle of the article and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► just sort of off hand I mean I don't know if that's your call the switchboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► yes for any Q's number or is that like President Obama can you do a solid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► call Tim Cook I there's a spectrum of what might have happened there and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► unclear from there sort of the implication that they wanted to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► iTunes exclusive and and but Apple wasn't interested and then you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► ended up happening is that it went up on Christmas Eve on Google Play and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► YouTube on YouTube for purchase or rental and Xbox through text box life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► correct but not iTunes until until the 28th I guess you know I wrote today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5871">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► just before he started the show I gave it my headline of the Week award finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► PGR is headline was a poor and I want to get this wrong because it's so classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► BGR as headliners Apple finally decides to stand up to Sony hackers releases the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► interview on iTunes man so I you know whether it's true and I i nobody I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► got nobody on the record but you know speaking to some people at Apple nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► directly involved in iTunes but people who know people who are involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► iTunes that the story I've heard and it makes sense for example if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► developer this is public knowledge iTunes Connect closes around like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► 22nd or 23rd and it does and even say you go to the iTunes Connect site they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► say iTunes Connect is closed until December 28 they close couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► before Christmas and they don't open until a couple of days afterwards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► whatever you want if you're a developer if you want to get a bugfix and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► got to get it in before they close and otherwise your gonna wait about a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► because they want to give people time off from my understanding I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► what happened was apple juice and and the New York Times article kinda hinted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► it not that Apple was interested but they weren't interested in doing it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► Sony's timetable that it was this was like the blackout period for iTunes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► it's not easy the stuff is non-trivial like to have all these movies streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► around the world it takes a while for them to propagate around to see the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► the content delivery networks that Apple uses and again in theory if they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► to get it up on Christmas I'm sure they could've but I think they would have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► to call people back from vacation and you know make all sorts of exceptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► and I just think Apple's decision was this is not our problem and yeah we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► the movie if we get the movie three days from now so what ya I think we might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► need a bigger thing I don't know why I look at the look at how the story had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► gone and kind of thing that somebody at Apple probably should have said let's be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► prepared to slide this thing up on Christmas Day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► just because that may be how this goes any it was clear a while ago people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► talking about maybe they were just make it available video on demand and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► that thats yeah that's probably telling an employee or to an Apple that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► need to they need to come to work or be on call to come to work over the holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► and that sucks but at the same time you know although that headline is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► ridiculous I do feel like there was a chance here for Apple to just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► the part of the story and instead the story was Apple doesn't have it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► weird and I don't know I mean that they're in the business of working with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► the studios to get the stuff I would you want to be seen as being on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► forefront of this and being flexible enough to get up and I kinda feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► what was revealed is that Apple systems are a little bit rickety and and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► were they were running a skeleton crew and so they just couldn't get it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► in time for the timing of it which is kind of weird although if you've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► iTunes Connect it's not unreasonable to think that that's a weird you know back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► in system that regular people never have to see but it's not a big deal but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► a little surprising that it should now be at the forefront of the stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► sure we can put that up the problem and yeah I do I do kind of feel that aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► and again who knows what the root actual capabilities and I don't know for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► but I do think that it might be true that Apple's backend system for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► stuff is less nimble than you know in no surprise that Google may be a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► nimble in this regard yeah yeah that they can do something quicker they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► pull something put put it up quicker and have it propagation and stream around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► the world quicker than Apple can wear the Apple AAPL still the company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► when they make changes to the store has tix tore down an hour to exactly exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► I i think that's that's part of the story and they've gotten better but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► used to be that they would be like TV shows that would come out and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► like supposed to be released on midnight after the after the show aired or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► something like that and then on iTunes it would always be like sometime the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► next day or maybe the day after and i never knew whether that meant that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► of the TV studio just didn't get the file to them in time or whether it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► like literally there's a lag in iTunes Connect for content and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► systems are shallower the approval of slow and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► gets gets delayed and they seem to be better at that now too but it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► I know it's also possible that Google and Microsoft and whoever else posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► this thing had no problem telling their staff to work on Christmas and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► they maybe they had that plan and Apple has this kind of corporate culture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► dismissing everybody for that period of time and you know maybe that's played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► into this 2010 and not really anybody I mean it can't really be everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► because you know on Christmas morning when everybody's launching new iPod iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► somebody somebody's gotta be there there are always people on call so that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► that's the part that just don't know maybe they just didn't think it was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► big a deal and that it was that they didn't need to be there it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► funny in the end when the president is talking about it in his news conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► it's probably a big enough deal to pay attention to it I think if your Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► just cannot be even if you're not going to be the only exclusive provider of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► to not be the one major player who's not providing a note saying they were afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► or anything that is a lot of stupidity and in those statements but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► saying for PR purposes alone don't you want to be not seen as being a step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► behind Microsoft and Google Play yeah I totally agree with that and and though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► the movie is a silly stupid comedy and not like a serious political statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► which you know what I think if it had been if it had been some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► documentary on North Korea that had you know sparked the hack and public need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► see this movie right that I bet I would be surprised about what had made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► exception but I feel like it almost doesn't matter like and I actually did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► rent a movie remanent now it was really that I did that their best but at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► worst seems like an odd not the best showing for them now there are very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► movies that even if even though I'm like halfway through in like wow I regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► but I'll stick it through to the end that this one I did not make it to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► wife I just latisha let's just go bad otherwise I'm gonna fall asleep in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► of this thing it was not funny but I still feel like you know we can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► our movies being held to the whims of you know anonymous not job hackers ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► gotta stick to your guns and I kind of feel like so as stupid as the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► itself actually is I kind of feel like it really was an exceptional situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► that warranted probably exceptional and ill an exception from Apple from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► they would typically do I know it wasn't just like Sony it called them up and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► had this movie from the summer and we've got it scheduled to come up with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► guys on January 2nd but you know it's like we do it like a week early may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► given up on Christmas and apples iknow you guys you know before you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► chance to do that was last week it's coming up on January 2nd this was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► just like a regular situation like you said the present United States is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► talking about right right I mean I'm glad the little back in theaters and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► sounds like it was the theater chains were like we're afraid we don't scare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► people away from the other movies that were just gonna punted I'm glad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► that some theaters finally showed it and i'm glad that it was on VOD and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► people can watch it and yeah it's a shame in a way that this isn't over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► more serious thoughtful piece of work instead of a kind of stoner Road comedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► but you know I like Franco and Rogan I mean I like from all the way back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► and the fact that Seth Rogen is a guy who headlines movies is totally crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► for me because I mean look at that guy he's not a movie starring Eddie is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► movie star I love that and he's a writer who has become you know he was primarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► a writer who has become more of an active I i have lots of positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► thoughts about those guys even if the movie is kinda sucky I'm glad that I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► yeah you would think you would think somebody that would be like hey guys I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► think we need to do this and and i think perhaps they did happen eventually after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► the fact we're maybe on Christmas Day somebody was like why why are we not out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► there with this and so now we see it you know it went on iTunes faster than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► thought once it didn't go on i tunes on the day of release I thought that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► gonna lag behind their gonna come up and turn the lights back on and then they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► gonna put it out there it got a bit faster than I thought after after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► passed by the initial drop date now it was exactly did I would say it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► exactly what I expected I read between the lines in my guess was all they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► was we're not going to do this but not going to get this up by Christmas will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/6427">TS</a>]
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01:58:56 ◼ ► the digits six colors and I i would like to get that at some point but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7136">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► quite frankly it was too expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► after about the others I was like wow that's really pricey for just a redirect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► and to your point about Google I feel like after some amount of time of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► doing this I can decide whether I want to go ahead and buy that and my feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► is at some point those other alternatives are a lot less valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► because there's already a thing that is six colors dot com and so numeral six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► colors dot com is not a you know they're gonna think well it's it's valuable they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► can sell it to me but nobody else is gonna want it so I hope to get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► eventually but I'm not gonna pay an arm and a leg to get them just because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► will redirect I've told this before my registered during fire by registered at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► net and dot com at the same time and I i went with dot net as the canonical one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► because I i've since grown out of it I guess if I had it to do all over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► I'd probably use the dot-com but at the time I had a weird aversion to dot com I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► just thought I don't know if it's an exploit I cannot express it just felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► like that comment you're like a big company was a time when Doug net was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► kinda cool it was likely cool like inside hurry you know where the word the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► techie people of the internet and we we have dot net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► ITV not net and org I just didn't ever get that calm I don't know it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► seemed to me like a person with a site should not have a duck and I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► know I've never even asked him I always thought maybe that's why can't he uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► cocky door but I read those two and this is back at a time when they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► net dot com dot org and I didn't register dot org somebody else has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► guy Peter Haas something you go to daring fireball dorgan's a guy who hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► his personal blog their God I swear and done work for six colors i've you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:51 ◼ ► every once in awhile somebody alright to me where this but it's like the guy he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7251">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► hasn't updated its and two years so and it was never popular so I just thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7257">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► that's not why he did it seems to me like a crazy person it's also possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► that his pocket somewhere else but he's parked he's parked domain at the same IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► address and it's just accepting of all the traffic and so even though he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► thinking that he's serving that it you know my my blog datpiff.com it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► Sarah still serving an irreparable I don't have that happen sometimes the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► for a while the guy who owned newspaper dot com or at least he did own newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► dot com had it redirecting to during fireball I didn't have it I wasn't my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► domain it was this the guy who had and it's a newspaper dot com is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► pretty valuable to me maybe it no longer it still isn't a thing if you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► sorry we're down to the moment and there's an animation but for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► it was just weird because it was like I don't know it was enough traffic on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:03 ◼ ► daily basis that it showed up in my referrals like as I can with the houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7323">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► newspaper dot com that is like my 15th highest referral and I went to it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► was during fire by Nendo now or the other thing was while he was doing it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► would get I would get about one or two offers a month to buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► sure and I was like how many as I gotta know why its point my site but it in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► I remember there is a story about that maybe even a site I did had that for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7346">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► while where somebody owned it and they didn't want to give it to us or sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► to us but they said but I'm not using it soldiers related to you for now I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► that doesn't help me because I can't rely on it but it's nice that you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► the speakers on us for a while with tv.com is that it was a it was a blog on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:49 ◼ ► CNET for awhile and TV I think snow wasn't even seen it was like Hotwire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7369">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► something like that and wired digital got sold to like like hosts or Alta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7375">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► Vista or something like that and it basically got sucked into this nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► internet company to the point where they were never using it he visited that dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► com of my dot net dot org you went to the dot-com you just went to the search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► engine homepage and I spent years trying to get them to not even to sell it to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► to find the person who is in charge of the terrorists to this to this day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:24 ◼ ► have no idea just give me somebody to talk to you know we just have this blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7404">TS</a>]
02:03:29 ◼ ► you're not using it it was the name of a blog on a website that you bought ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► years ago they only did 10 posts or whatever and then and then they shut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:37 ◼ ► down and to this day if you go to te ve dot com you end up at insider info dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7417">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► com at the Lycos network which yeah with with with a form submission of src [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► equals nm domains I wonder if that's why all of our did domains just redirect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► this page where they where they don't even know what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► user-submitted content or something like that they're running out all these don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► all demands but it's like that they just they got that domain demands are funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► they got the domain a million years ago and they just keep paying whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► they're paying as part of the thousand domains that they own and will pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► it forever and you know that's always a problem when you're shopping for domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► is is that is that if it's somebody wants to sell its great but if it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► inside the mom of a giant corporation forget it just forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► dot com dot com yeah it just redirects it like some kind of weird sight but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► done and/or good you know we we still have actually and I was that was my you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► know there was a TV blog with my friends and I did for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► like 96 2011 sometime in the two thousands and supply coastal thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► guess so again there's a company that swallowed a fly coast that owns the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7495">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► assets including all those domains that they bond is still run it and now I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7499">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► went there is still operate as a search and yeah I thought of like us and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► amazing it's amazing and it may even be powered by somebody else but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► it's still there so you can still go there and get searchers I'm sure they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► really good I wonder if their search results from the nineties be funny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► searched for Jason Snelling to redirect me to snow world so that's not bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► they're up to date I was at my mom's house and she found a thing I did mack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:33 ◼ ► user again bringing back around the internet roadmap and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7533">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► literally this this subscription premium i think is a newsstand premium was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► a road map of sites on the internet and they were all interconnected and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:47 ◼ ► actually a project we did when we went from site to site with links each site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7547">TS</a>]
02:05:50 ◼ ► had to link to the next site in a chain and it is crazy but the funny thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7550">TS</a>]
02:05:57 ◼ ► about it is that the backbone of that that we used to really make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7557">TS</a>]
02:06:00 ◼ ► functional was Yahoo at Stanford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7560">TS</a>]
02:06:04 ◼ ► just a like a link directory and we would use that to link out to the sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7564">TS</a>]
02:06:09 ◼ ► and literally like a hundred and fifty sites on the map and it was most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7569">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► Internet in 1995 when everything was so I had to look this up he looked it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:19 ◼ ► through like us talking about domain names like that now it's a classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7579">TS</a>]
02:06:26 ◼ ► McSweeney's article you had to have seen this from 2004 written by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:31 ◼ ► michael ward and its email addresses it would be really annoying to give out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7591">TS</a>]
02:06:36 ◼ ► over the phone it's it's it's much more visual joked in a verbal joke because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7596">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► the email addresses but it's like for example imagine if your surname were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:49 ◼ ► underscore Mike underscore or yahoo.com I just put in the rest of these I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7609">TS</a>]
02:07:01 ◼ ► want to spoil it but it's a funny little 50 item list gag I started doing my show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:08 ◼ ► nuts but good people like those you've noticed its I used to be really lazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7628">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► about it but I feel like it's one of the little things they can do to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:20 ◼ ► well you know people are in their cars and they hear about something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7640">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► going to be interesting and then they get to work and they forget what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:27 ◼ ► that thing and it's hard to look back at you know stan through two hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7647">TS</a>]
02:07:33 ◼ ► biogas when you can just go to the show notes and that's what I was looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7653">TS</a>]
02:07:37 ◼ ► your pre Instapaper in the show for them and it's a pain I mean it's only a pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7657">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► but I do as you go along it's a little bit easier I started to do that with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:49 ◼ ► uncomfortable and with clockwise Mike does it for upgrade but you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7669">TS</a>]
02:07:54 ◼ ► somebody mentioned something I just write it down like and it's a pain to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7674">TS</a>]
02:07:58 ◼ ► that cuz it gives you a little bit out of the flow of your concentration of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7678">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► of the conversation but at the same time a kind of beats having to go back later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► and say where did they mention something and you know and people do like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► people appreciate it when you those links in a Draenei on on last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:16 ◼ ► and I think he even wrote on IM or the heat is on over 300 podcast last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7696">TS</a>]
02:08:21 ◼ ► and I knew I already asked you to do the next episode I do think I've gotten back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7701">TS</a>]
02:08:26 ◼ ► to back to most prolific podcasters on the Mac web how many packets and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7706">TS</a>]
02:08:34 ◼ ► probably do in morn so maybe a better question is how many are you on pace to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7714">TS</a>]
02:08:38 ◼ ► do under my curly probably has me beat or its close I would say if I keep doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7718">TS</a>]
02:08:47 ◼ ► next year let me do some lunch bar mat here let's see i'd say two hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7727">TS</a>]
02:08:59 ◼ ► fifty so you're at ballpark great I mean we're talking like if somebody wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7739">TS</a>]
02:09:04 ◼ ► listen to every show that you're on your own there talking 500 episodes yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7744">TS</a>]
02:09:09 ◼ ► mean because because fast and I i don't expect anybody to be completed but yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7749">TS</a>]
02:09:15 ◼ ► basically I'm doing for weekly podcasts I'm not the center of all four amino I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7755">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► do the one with Tim Goodman from The Hollywood Reporter and we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► TV cuz he's the TV critic of the hollywood reporter and I'm the same kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:29 ◼ ► of the classic dan Benjamin role in that where I'm facilitating in producing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7769">TS</a>]
02:09:33 ◼ ► and posting it really it's like I'm asking questions of the guy who's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7773">TS</a>]
02:09:36 ◼ ► expert on TV because he's TV critic at The Hollywood Reporter that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7776">TS</a>]
02:09:40 ◼ ► different kind of show to do then in Kabul more like clockwise is just a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7780">TS</a>]
02:09:45 ◼ ► an hour into the median more and then upgrade is me a lot of me but might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7785">TS</a>]
02:09:49 ◼ ► produces that one so you know each of them takes a little bit of a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7789">TS</a>]
02:09:52 ◼ ► amount of time but yeah if you put those together and multiply them by 52 thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7792">TS</a>]
02:09:56 ◼ ► 208 podcast right there and then there are some others that are like I did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7796">TS</a>]
02:10:02 ◼ ► did a podcast after every episode of Game of Thrones last year and this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7802">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► and Doctor Who as well and so that that's an extra like 23 episodes and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:12 ◼ ► do our little done and done those those render them comfortable those were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7812">TS</a>]
02:10:17 ◼ ► flash cast were under TV actually TEM reusing the names and logos I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7817">TS</a>]
02:10:26 ◼ ► I V TV Long EZ anyway we put it there cuz I know I'm torn I could basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7826">TS</a>]
02:10:34 ◼ ► have like five pages a week meaning comfortable for you now I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7834">TS</a>]
02:10:37 ◼ ► thats that would be a litter so there's like a master for you with everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7837">TS</a>]
02:10:40 ◼ ► and then you can just subscribe to the individual podcast if you want to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7840">TS</a>]
02:10:44 ◼ ► then we do the Dungeons and Dragons thing which is literally we played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7844">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► Dungeons and Dragons once every six weeks for like four hours and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:50 ◼ ► comes out every other week in a one hour chunks so it's not a lot of time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7850">TS</a>]
02:10:55 ◼ ► it's fun but that is another podcast and I'm on and then I say yes to be on other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7855">TS</a>]
02:10:59 ◼ ► people's podcast like this one so it's a lot there's a lot of podcasting we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwjuVfk/7859">TS</a>]
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