123: Live From WWDC 2015, With Guest Phil Schiller
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ladies and gentle- men daring fireball Productions is pleased to welcome you to
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mezzanine in please silence your phones take your seats and welcome to the stage
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you look nice today
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I am i Merlin Mann I am an implicit or and we're used to having our friends Cup
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simpson out with us cut simpson everybody got simpson
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Merlin Scott Simpson I have literally no idea you I
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I was not under the impression that that was with something that I was folding
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under the rubric of my I had also like likewise assume that John would be
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taking care of this notifying are great to be here he is doing tonight going
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really really well I see so many 5799 friends in the audience that's she's no
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he is great here to celebrate I was there in the beginning I was always
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there for a while
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me too I love his out already
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he remembers to close the bracket like I am to him here for him to rate John
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Gruber well here that interesting no greater clam chowder you don't notice
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any kind is the biggest company in the world like they're doing fine you notice
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that yeah but with the cash off because it doesn't really matter nearly as
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popular guy he's seen that is true that much much shorter in person
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yeah i just i just i I was there every step of the way I wanted to be there but
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we're here for him tonight john grew a little bit like you're defending him of
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course he is the reason that I am Who I am today
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you never had every way in every way the man you are now because I don't get that
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Apple had a site stuff it's the well you know it's his passion is singular
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passion and vision over the whole landscape of Apple of apple and and
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culture of Apple celebration concert at a location that means church something
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very dear to media and technology are you doing right now I don't just I'm
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gonna literally you but we're not about me it's not about me know okay okay so
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it's like a personal project for me
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John's sponsored reads I don't know the guys remember when he started doing
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these it was just you know you can always pronounced fracture yeah
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most pronounced most words and she asked if we both love being on the show we do
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I love that I mean I had a great time as a guest on the show the reason in real
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second third time you just see ya around the master yes yeah you you'd sort of
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you sort of make up a story about the sponsor of Christmas lights in front of
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the queue system words is kind of just the general like chef salad of words
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that come out but here's what I did I i noticed that he had difficulty really
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selling selling the product
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early on and I took him under my wing and I molded him like a child to you
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yeah yeah that's so there is some sort of ownership over John sponsorship reads
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which are really world-class the really good less they are literally not the
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worst in the world so much every week
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anymore but that inspires you would like to see a child
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the swing set and I'm gonna push you all I'm saying is used to be and now he is a
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giant in the sponsored reads world you know it's it's it's really true our
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thanks to John Gruber
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is that it is not always good and that is why it is a tremendous tremendous
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honor for more than an ITV here is a reason we call the chairman
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ladies and gentlemen John Gruber
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the annual live from WWDC talk show I am Junger this is the talk show I'm
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assuming most of you familiar with the situation
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have some administrative stuff to take care of before we really started to show
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proper I will reiterate like I did last year we have an open bar and we have a
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great sponsor we can thank for that you were all drinking on their dime that's
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MailChimp if you don't know mail jam and you ever have the need for email
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marketing really check them out MailChimp TACOM not kidding I remember
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the judge remember this two years ago there's a minimum here on the bar and we
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came up short in it and it was very embarrassing to me and I told you guys
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this last year I seriously drink and we went way over last year that was pattern
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pattern so do that again if you're thirsty go get another one would
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seriously my thanks to them first time this year we have live video so we are
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hopefully going out to the world at large
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matter to be here live but second best watchin on the stream and that is thanks
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to fracture you guys know factor
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every year doesn't know fracture well if you don't have this great service you go
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to fracture me.com that's a website you send them your photos they print them on
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glass there's no frame around it it's just right there on the glass it looks
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amazing they have great prices they have sizes ranging from these index card all
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the way up to big 23 inch by 2029 in size
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can't go wrong go check them out and have a special code just for the show
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they want to see just how well the show did if you use the code WWDC very easy
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to spell your save 15% on anything you were so that's a tremendous deal thanks
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to fracture and last but not least the event itself is sponsored by a small
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software company and Seattle they're coming from Microsoft Microsoft all the
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but no joke here's the thing if anybody here as anybody here been to the show
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before in previous years so this is their third year sponsoring the live
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talk show i mean this is you know it's not bad
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odd anymore it really is and and they've really pivoted they've made major
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investments in in their developer tools and their cloud infrastructure and built
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it out in a way that is just tremendous for iOS Mac developers even Android
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developers but any platform they're really have grown being just about
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windows and it's great stuff we use it at best before saying rsync system has
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never had a problem due to the hosting stuff there it is absolutely rock solid
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I recommended even if they weren't sponsor I would recommend it but check
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them out they have a special website that they've made and it's for their
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appeal to app developers regardless of your platform and the website is any app
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Annie dev dot com a NY AP be a NYD dot com go check it out that's the message
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to you but they're all over the place is your day sponsored beer bash last night
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they sponsored all cohn also integrate some I thanks to them
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so I want guests for tonight and it truly is I used the words all the time
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when molten on the show a very special guest that's that's not a very special
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guests this time I do have a very special guests and I am very excited to
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introduce him
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ladies and gentlemen I shit you not shown
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is always
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yesterday when they finally introduced all the things I was expecting so I
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think it went amazing I was so impressed and everyone did a great job from Tim
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onto Jimmy and a lot of work goes into it you know I don't think a company on
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this earth could have done better I heard some laughter when you said Jimmy
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one person who did not appear on stage was which was highly unusual how many
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how many had been on stage prior to that I have taken part either presenting are
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demoing over 50 keynote tomorrow so we should not for 56 would've been like joe
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dimaggio I know there was no other reason than it just worked out that way
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this time and I worked really hard on it so that the opening with a Bill Hader
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short film was so great but like so over the top well produce like when when did
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you get started on I'm doing well
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a year ago we started thinking we need a really good video next year
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truly and I think about three weeks ago we came up with the idea
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by the way if anyone has a really good idea for an opening video next year
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szilard apple.com I'll take all suggestions
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redoing my only complaint is that it seemed to me that you cheated at the end
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because they look like
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so the idea of the video we knew it would throw some people so you're in
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that group that it started by saying yesterday's rehearsal it was meant to be
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in a secret location where they were rehearsing separate from any so people
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wouldn't know what the big production was and that was the reason that it
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looked different and that's our story and will stick to it that the rules for
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this interview actually extremely simple to me ask me anything i may not answer
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everything
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this is true but you know our PR rules if you ask me some questions I don't
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like you'll never speak to us again for the rest of your life
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not true whoever said yet doesn't know that word
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meanwhile someone from Apple PR is up there with a gun I guess stun gun so I
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can I go down and Adam is right there ready to come out and take over so it go
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on a serious question very serious and it's going to come out differently today
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a day after the keynote then I may be expected it to but I'm sure even notice
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that it it's not just this year it been growing over the last few years is
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people keeping track of the diversity
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speakers in keynote addresses various companies in various event and that one
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way that Apple has had an imbalance in that regard is the number of women in
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keynotes
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now yesterday that talking about streets that Sri was over
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Jennifer Bailey
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introduced a bill pay for the improvements that Apple paid and Susan
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prescod I thought he did you think that I read ESPN for the articles got a big
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talk to me about that like finally know in the back but honestly far from it it
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deserves that's good moral that finally yeah there's clearly some really high
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pitched guys out there are there were in the audience so i cant see anything
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that's awesome
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there the this is clearly a topic thats been growing and technology not just
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about out above all companies and particular here in the valley and it's
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it's long overdue and it's been gaining momentum that there are not enough women
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and minorities both represented across all technology companies it's time to
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start counting it attention to it but more importantly doing something
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proactively to help and and and there are a lot of things that tim has
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champion in in driven at Apple now under his leadership and this is one of those
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things on the rest is deeply about diversity and apple and believe that
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this isn't just something to do because people tell you to do it but because
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ultimately we will make better products and our customers will get better
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products because you have a diverse group of people are bringing their
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talents and ideas to making those products and ultimately you'll do a
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better job and we'll all be happier if so how do you do that with their number
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of things you do one of them is you present some role models and say look
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you can be a young girl and Technology who wants to learn to become a
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programmer become a marketing person whatever and there are people who have
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gone that path and successful and you should look up to that want to be there
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and and and he cares deeply about it and so we were really happy with this show
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that we had both Jennifer answers and had you know their roles are deeply
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involved in exactly what they presented
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jennifer's worked on a paper on Start type in working with Jennifer at Apple
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since early eighties early nineties susan's worked on my team for a good
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decade now doing product marketing and not only are they really smart great
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speakers deeply involved in passion about Apple but those were two vice
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presidents and Apple right there there there in leadership roles and so that's
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good it's a start it's we want to see more and more of that always right
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ok a woman or somebody else or personal color to go on stage because the way you
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guys it's the people who are responsible for the thing doing so there needed to
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be a news for Jennifer Bailey to go out and do it exactly that's even better
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though because it means that there really are in these positions of
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influence and you know getting shipped up yes
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alright what kind of deal he's a Duke fan and then why the championship is a
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Warriors fan they've never even been in the finals for another in the finals
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what is going on there
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well let me and wine that question because there's two different parts to
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it first do no secret that he went to do in a fan since he was in college he you
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know good friends with Coach K
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don't know you can ask about Coach K's the greatest winning and double lady
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coach and and so rooting for do a big gamble that they are going to win some
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championships because they can do it whether it's true or not but he has
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ruled for them since college so that's that's not a big deal to make that
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happen that's happening but the Warriors ed has been a fan of theirs for a couple
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decades going to games so he's been through some lean times and he's do and
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so so if you know like I do and we're really great close friends and he is one
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of the most loyal people you can never have as a friend or coworker and so he's
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been loyalties sports teams and the last thing else and this is if somebody is
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doing a deal with the devil for the Warriors that's one crafty deal because
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it's been like two years without a championship
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you're not a good deal maker I care
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yeah alright let's get down to some of the products they're you guys talked
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about yesterday and WTC so I think I'll stick roughly to the order going you're
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almost an El Capitan time you said it well last show
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I'm a good guesser
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at least one of you did
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there are definitely new features some of the features are very cool I love the
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mouse shake thing I'm serious I been tryin 5 k iMac I need to know where my
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masses but there is to be any way back in like the engine that did the same
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thing yes when the screen 29 inch iMac screen yet to delete this define occurs
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or what was wrong with us but but but yeah I kid you not I did it this
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afternoon I was working on some slides amana 27 inch iMac and I went and i
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think im not on El Capitan yet on the system is not working it becomes very
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intuitive very quickly in large part I guess there are some new features but it
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is mostly like a stability in refinement release of OS 10 or at least in large
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part that's part of the focus on that was what led me to guess I'll cop it on
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because it's laying there was leopard and Snow Leopard which was sort of a
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lets new features and working on reliability and then there was lying in
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mountain lion and I thought there's no such thing as mountain yosemite so
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various to budget to your show you to your points no we don't think of it is
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only a stability and performance release that is a big part of it but the
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features the teams have worked on we think will matter told us in our
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everyday lives using these these systems and they took a lot of work in some of
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them will have significant ramifications for a long time I think most of all with
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metal on the Mac on that huge opportunity for all of us so I think
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it's really important things in this yeah I guess and it really does sort of
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like this virtuous circle where all these game developers top game
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developers cranking on iOS games for years and adopting medal very quickly in
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the last year and already having code ready to go and it really does iOS is
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really helping the max here in terms of elevating back as a gaming platform
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absolutely especially in this case it's great leverage there but it's not just
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for the gaming and that's a big part of it it's great for pro out and and we've
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seen that though we came in and did some work and what really impressed with what
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they could do on it and our own teams have done it with systems talked about
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the graphics software layers from the system starting at accelerator with it
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we see big benefits so it was a systemwide opportunity my senators
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forget somebody wrote something about that lets us deal with the off in the
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passionate guy and I read his stuff to do so and so complete respect for your
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perspective and your belief don't share them in this instance but I respected
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every week there's bugs in the things we head on into things that the team's
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passing on getting out there and fixing but we're also very careful about
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trucking crash logs and AppleCare calls and Genius Bar visits and we've never
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tool that is able to follow a lot of user forums to ascertain what the
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complaints are and try to really gather a good metric to metric on all the
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issues and in this case I do think the storyline isn't really accurate with the
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reality not to say there are bugs in on things driving people crazy there are of
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course the wrong but it isn't a change in fact if there's any change I think
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the biggest change in Yosemite truthfully over the last year was that
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networks in environments and different uses and that surface even more things
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that would kinda has happened over slower RAM and so there were things to
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work on no doubt about it but i wouldnt say its wider thing going on in any way
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the feedback I got like you guys were taking a little surprised by that
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because a lot of the things that you measure
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we're all saying this is better than before we're seeing fewer crash logs per
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user were saying you know you are a certain problems and I kind of feel like
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maybe lost in the shuffle there is that a lot of the problems people were having
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weird things that don't even generate crash laws and it's sort of like this
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discovery do stuff is just like my printer just isn't connected anymore but
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we take the good with the bad that's ok I get it out of your system lets you
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know there's an example where I think everyone should be proud that if we're
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going to try something it's great to try things sometimes it's ok to take a risk
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you don't want everything to stay in never change but if things aren't
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perfect and people are telling us they're not happy with how some things
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working here we are we haven't shipped yet already dealing with that within
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this one year cycle inside of that to make a big change to make things better
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and I think that's a sign of how much the team is willing to to analyze what
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the situation is and do whatever is right
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the record before next time you guys do read the radars that they file yes
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next up with iOS I was nine and there's a lot and I was nine and there's the
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multitasking and the keyboard and trackpad all to me just a bit is for a
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lot of people this becomes a lot more of a productivity machine than a huge leap
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forward for advanced iOS users iPad users in particular the iPad features
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would be changing experience remember when we launched iPad the very first
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take advantage of a big beautiful screen and and some a lot of thought went into
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that and then we know that all the world and saw how people use it and then we
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went back to it and said well what are the next thing to do you need for iPad
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to make it a more productive more useful product in the in the things you do and
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and one of the things was to help you use multiple applications in new ways
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and actually took a couple years of development to get to this it was like
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someone woke up six months ago and said hey let's do multi-window multitasking
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on this it took a while to for example put all last year the size classes and
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six-plus but we knew that by doing that work we were laying the groundwork to
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make this happen without catholic and as well so some of these things take
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multiple years to put everything in place to do it the right way as you can
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rush out and do it the wrong way and then we don't like where we are I
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thought it was the I was sitting in the middle bit further back I was really in
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the mix with the developers to you and I thought that that got the weirdest
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reaction like the most mixed reaction from the crowd was when Craig said
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you've already done the work if you've been listening to us and done this
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you've already got and and there was this really mixed reaction where C Mike
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half of the developers were like and they fully understood how Twitter maybe
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already had it and any other half the developers
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questions about 64 bit carbon nanotubes
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this is our audience well
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64 Carmen Joe got a loud
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is probably too many people out there it's all good now
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lasting I was big and I i really thought you guys hit several times I think you
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almost couldn't have been more clear and I really think it is the biggest story
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in the industry this year
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flashing ongoing but it's it's hard to summarize but its contextual awareness
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with your devices and services in terms of you know telling you if it's going to
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rain or Craigs example of knowing you're getting your car traffic patterns leave
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you gotta leave for the airport all these features and how the company a
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platform with the flip side how did you say it was the second most popular
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mapping app on iOS than the flip side of it is this privacy issue with data
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collection and all sorts of things are coming out once and Google is doing
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features like this you guys are doing features like this and and just by
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coincidence but the Annenberg School of Communication had is widely cited paper
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that just came out this week I'm sure the gist of it being that typical
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consumers do care about the privacy and the implications of the information that
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online companies like Facebook and Google are collecting they're not
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comfortable with a lot of it but they kinda feel helpless about it
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got it I guess Google knows where I am but you guys seem to have a different
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vision and and and the flip side there the last part of it are you with me so
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far I'm waiting for the question though is that a lot of people are arguing that
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implement these features well company has to collect data file ball away and
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sort of dossier on you otherwise the features don't work and you guys seem to
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have a very different dances and obviously this is not new this is
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something we believe for many many years and hope that it would get traction that
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more and more people would start to care and questioned the choices they have to
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make if ever there's a modern definition of a Faustian bargain this is it right
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which is that if you want to get the teachers give us all this information
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about your life that you'd really rather not and and and we will be for a very
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long time that that doesn't have to be the case and so we've built systems and
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processes all around the idea that in order to help users you can do things
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that are surprising and delightful and magical but we don't know your data we
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don't you know if there's something else to get through our server then it's not
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identifiable and if it can be done in any way on your device without going to
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a server then that's the better place to do it and that we think we can do the
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great experiences protecting users privacy and and that has been a boon for
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many years and now it's really becoming much more
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well received message and we're probably talking a lot about it because we think
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people do want to hear but we haven't changed our feelings are feeling for
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many many years sort of coming to a head now because it's his features really
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bring out the difference in the two strategies we hope so ill people will
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see that I can get the capabilities I want and somebody standing up for my
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privacy and somebody i mean one of the great things about Apple I believe is
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that customers trust us they could trust in the fact that we're
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trying to make something that's called they put trust in that we're going to
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support them they put trust in the fact that we respect privacy and security and
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do everything we can and and and i think that these these are the features that
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best demonstrate that today
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little longer but I was wondering if maybe that wasn't the longest I've
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always thought that maybe you guys have like a loose rule that you wanted to
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keep it under two hours we do we we think that in general you know people
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seem on the 145 22 10 kind of range but that's never perfect there is no other
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times when things going to be shorter or longer and in order to get it to the
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length we did we cut a lot of things we were very you know very aggressive on on
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trimming back on yeah well talking I was always thinking more about the power
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feature in iOS nine and how we you know we didn't even show the UI for that or a
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whole bunch of things that are there that actually really nice but we had to
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do and even then you know some people nobody seemed to get up and leaves I
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think we're OK
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but I think watch with a lowercase W are you trying to kill me
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give us time we we've been through many find naming things this is an easy one
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to many funny things through the year some very emotional funk some very easy
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and most of the time when all said and done you look back years later people
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say it all made sense together so so so I think we're doing the right thing I'm
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hoping that it like 3G S which was the one where they have a lot of your lower
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case as the 50 in any other case
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they said sometimes amid all things we decide we haven't done the right thing
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and we think we write in your will
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but then it really struck me is in the run-up to the release of the watch and
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in the TV spots that ran
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ended with the watch is coming and then when it lines I think probably right
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around the time today April 24 the watch is here and I thought that was such a
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great slogan but it also conveys the different position Apple is in now than
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even even 2010 with the iPad in terms of you don't have to say which watch
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thank you for liking the marketing appreciate that
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the I don't think of it that way as is necessary
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different when you look back with iPhone you may remember that we started the
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very first ad for iPhone was a teaser crowd during the Grammys what was your
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shots of people answering the phone and saying hello from famous movies and it
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was great and we don't have to say anything about it everybody knew that's
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because iPhones coming right and so was ok to do something and we have that
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freedom to express it that way so in this case the whole world was
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anticipating the watch they knew about the watch we had introduced last
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September and so we're getting closer
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there had been a billion stories written about it so we didn't have to say much
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more than the watch is coming in and show a lot of the designs and show a lot
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of the interface is one of the great things about the watches the variety of
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choice you have with it and so the the ad got to show that it created some
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energy and some uplifting speech to it to get that sense that they were
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building up to a moment of excitement here to watch is coming in in so I think
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it worked pretty well it alright developer question so watch kid was
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announced last year at the end of the year which I think because it was out
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before way before the watch months before so that developers can get ready
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for it and now here we are six weeks after the watch actually shipped and you
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guys I know it's how it's coming in the fall when it's going to ship but you've
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already spent all day in recessions it WZ learning about native apps on the
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watch do you think was work was doing watch kids first words rather than just
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waiting to go right to native apps
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time will tell and that'll be the judge of it but I think so you know we've been
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through this once before with iPhone and that model we had a year without any
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need about just web apps and then came out with the SDK and and all the API is
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necessary to do a good job at UPS and model works great
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people were frustrated during that time but it worked great and in this case we
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knew we were again need to finish the software at first version now before I
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could solidify the SDK need to do native out and so what do you do in the time
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before that you give developers an opportunity to do something on it you
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could have watched it and and without watch get enough value for certain kinds
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of upset it makes sense anyway the fullness of time even with the full
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native API's and obviously our belief was yeah it would it would help to house
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developers to use watching it from the beginning and there are many cost of
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apps that made the exactly what they want and they don't need to do more than
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that and use the full native version but others well and I think that gave the
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maximum opportunity for developers and so the one other thing we did that I
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think as we talk about the same thing you guys all time we talked about
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internally all the time and we said how people react to that if we watched it
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and then native so if you may recall September we talked about it and last
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year's developer conference we said and we will bring out a native API SDK later
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we wanted people to know that that was coming so no I wouldn't have done this
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if I'd known that we want to make sure that was transparency and openness about
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I think album Music looks amazing I think that the size of the catalog is
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amazing I think it was the phrasing that they're moving the needle in the entire
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music industry I really do I kind of thought the segment in the keynote is a
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little long my big question this is rocketing towards being an old man I
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just don't know I'm very serious question so the basic proposition is $10
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a month there's a three month to get started you know what it's like to
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eventually but the basic idea for the long term is you pay Apple $10 a month
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and you can listen to a lot of people who want to pay $10 I think it's a great
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deal I really do I mean I think the family deal is a no brainer I really
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think it's a great bargain but I'm an idiot I've been paying for music my home
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I was I was so happy when you came out because I hated because songs did have
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the metadata and it's like you doing all this cleanup work just to get the file
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names right but is there a lot of people are there a lot of people out there who
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are going to pay $10 a month for visitors
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obviously we believe so we think that that once you see the service and start
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to use it you realize the benefits of having a really great girl eating
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curated lists and albums and playlists and things being recommended you when
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every time you see something say it like that don't listen to that I want to play
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this great are used up next time I go on my trip Okumu album I want that and not
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to think about it anymore you just getting it and then you know some people
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think that's all people will do or some of us who are older and older
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there's my favorite artists that I just want to buy it just cuz I do I'm just
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locked in my brain outlay of costs are you saw the iTunes store you can buy the
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things you want to buy
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you don't have to choose between the two models but once were on this for a while
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and all living and we understand social impact of music that's completely
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available to you I think it's going to change enough especially those that
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impetus coming from the curation and the recommendations that will keep you
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really wanting to do just at all that your library constantly what do you
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think can act is god that's gonna make it succeed where did
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artist's perspective of what they like to share with their fans and how do they
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like to communicate and and so far connect the IRS will have a very simple
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ability to create whatever content they want videos audio tracks you know photos
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and lyrics and on and on and the ability to like and say what you care about and
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then instantly also sure to record other social networks you not locked into one
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network and the ability to communicate with with users not a one-way pie and so
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I think that it's a much more interactive environment and the ability
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to share a lot more and we'll see what we think that based on the artists who
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work with us on it that it's it's the kind of environment they want to
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contribute with fans off the record whenever we blow the never meet up
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think we do but he'll be like 20 minutes and will blow the whole thing talking
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about like cameras and James Bond movies and I tried so hard I realized it when
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when I get invited to this and I didn't have time to the one place you can order
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it was going to take two weeks I want to get this specter logo t-shirt to wear
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just for you but I couldn't you nice logo t-shirt but one of the things that
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we both share a passion for photography cameras and you know I get a type thing
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I have been thinking I think it's so clear shot with iPhone marketing
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campaign shows that you guys leave it to Apple has become one of if not the
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leading camera companies in the world
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in the old days being camera enthusiasts you really worried about the lenses you
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know and it still is with the other cameras but with today's era of
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photography it's really about mobility and it's not about lenders and center
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part of it but it's the software that processes the images off the center
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which is why there might be other cameras from other companies that might
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use the same sensors that you guys have a similar ones and the pictures looked
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the same and after that how do you get them on the phone and how do you send
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them to where they're going how do you edit it and drop it and fix the rotation
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and then two years from now how do you get back to that it's this whole circle
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but it's the iPhone but to me I would if I could have one of your absence gonna
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break for the next week
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phone app camera I want like gonna have to break
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you do see it the same way I did the camera capabilities of iPhone is for me
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one of the most personally liable an important parts of that has been for
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quite a long time and as you said we both share a passion for prosumer
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photographers no great so I don't know but I love photography on the process I
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love that bod that goes into it I have cameras of all different sizes and kinds
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and photography is really powerful and especially once you have been wheezing
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did you realize how this stuff is for the rest of your life and and and we've
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been putting a lot into it but I will start with the most important adage in
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photography anybody here is a serious photographer knows the the old line and
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it's true it's not the camera it's the photographer right a great picture comes
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from a great photographer not a great camera and and so that aside got that
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done we we've been putting a lot of effort for many years now to building an
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incredible world-class camera team and and working doing custom work on sensors
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building our own custom lenses are building our own Flash technology and
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most importantly the ISP and software that makes it all come together as a
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complete system and the same mentality that goes into why a math is better than
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the PC and wine iPhone is better than some other junky phone goes into the
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goes into the camera that it's a complete system designed together from
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the beginning to work together and and that's what results you can't just
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piecemeal but a glance with a sensor with someone else's share it with
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someone else's software get to the level results were able to achieve the way the
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teams work together to deliver a complete solution I have to ask us you
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guys have always had this well not always in the modern era of Apple
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there's been this idea
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good better
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whether it's a Mac or you know a lot of different
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good better best I think that with the current generation iOS devices going
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1664 128 I think the 16 it's really hard to make an argument that good it's more
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like ok
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16 you know to be lower and so it has increased used to shoot video too so one
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of the hopes and and and maybe maybe we'll see how how we realize that all
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but belief is more and more as we use I cause services for documents or loser if
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you block user or you know for photos and videos the more were able to use
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these things and music in the cloud that perhaps for the most price conscious
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customer the person starting out at the beginning of the line are able to live
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in an environment where they don't need God's of local storage because these
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services are taking off more and more the load making life easier and they can
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start with the entry point that's lighter than maybe you want but gets
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their entire job done and we worked very carefully to campus and survey exactly
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how much storage people use a different price points and how much they need and
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other things to make sure they have a great camera they have a great screen
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and so it's all choices for the customer and and and and that's the hope as more
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of this stuff is in the cloud
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maybe we can have an easier entry point for some customers did say you wouldn't
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answer some questions
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I can't get much more than that
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what do you say to the criticism that Apple has gotten too upset with device
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with Euro per year iterations they're getting at a point where maybe if you
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would stop and kept the device just feel that extra space with batteries whether
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it's a phone or whether it's a MacBook that where you guys gonna saw a piece of
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paper first of all I think that feedback is always great to hear and your people
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tell us what they think and we always one want to hear what what things you
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want in a product is they all come with tradeoffs in benefits and and and an
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associated things if you want a product that sticker with a bigger battery well
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it's also heavier it's also more costly it also takes longer to charge it's also
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you know things there are all these things have ramifications designing a
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total system and and and we look at this very very very carefully the engineering
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team and industrial design team work together and model every thickness and
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every size and every way we we hold these things and we work with them to
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try to figure out what the future benefit tradeoffs are and I don't think
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we hit the point yet where we're trading off the new features and capabilities at
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the expense of the best optimize product I really don't i I love my new 12 inch
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MacBook I think it's an incredible product I use it constantly and I love
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that feels and and I love the iPhone 6 in six-plus and I think we've made great
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choices there and and and yes these this is something we talked about constantly
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but I think we've made the right choices of our two-part question what color is
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your new MacBook
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and how many USB port
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so is the space grey but I'm glad there's individual choice diversity is
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important the end and mine mine has has 1 USBC as you well know without needing
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question but again be careful what you ask for
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right because what the design team first envisioned when we started working on
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the book was to say if all we do is incremental slight change where's the
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excitement with the value of alkyl pushing things forward we need to take
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bold risks if people like it they can keep buying the medical care they can
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keep the MacBook Pro but i wanna we design a product that surround this
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wireless world that has really no physical connection that you need you
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can get by without ever needing that wouldn't that be a better world and in
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doing that we realize yeah but we do need to charges so let's go to create
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this one or two can charge and the USB video out and that way if you need to
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connect you can you not giving that up but this is really designed and if you
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do that how far can you push it how how things can get how you know how I can
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get you know how aggressive design can be and I think if I my job for one
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reason because I'm a customer like all of you I love these products I love this
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company I want this company be the best Apple can ever be and N one of the ways
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it can be the best Apple can ever be is to take bold risks and try to think of
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new things that others aren't willing to do I remember that this is all the same
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mentality as I remember what you got the floppy sure many of you all due to it's
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the exact same thinking i sat in the room with friends of mine who worked at
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other companies in Texas and other places and they said they literally
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they literally said oh my god I'm so jealous we can't do that we can't do
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that we can't take the risk because if the world isn't gonna be is going to
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risk in person and doesn't want us to take away anything then you know Dell
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doesn't overflow people to ship it does bother to shape up they're all the same
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except if you're missing one thing I want to buy your stuff you should you're
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so lucky you make something for your customers give you the opportunity to
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try something in a completely different way and and they they listen to you and
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I try it and if you have to adjust make an external drive for a couple of years
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great deal do it but you get to make that change and move on that's the
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embodiment of this new MacBook which is take a bold risk maybe some people will
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think it's not perfect them yet but for surprising number of people it's already
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their future laptop the customer satisfaction is off the charts on it
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customer demand is great does anyone here at the New Mexican mother so I want
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I wanted out with its bold and taking risks and trying new things and being
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aggressive
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couple of years half of my life
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Wow an adjective that was often used to describe apple with beleaguered and
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there were some hard times and there were yours truly the underdog and now
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there's no way that anybody could argue that the most profitable company in the
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world is the underdog but yet people still seem to manage to say that you're
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one step away from collapse
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does that surprise you that it hasn't stopped playing I don't think it was
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surprising in 1997 that there were a lot of articles predicting doom for the
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company do you find it surprising that their articles in 2015 honestly no I
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don't know if personally I don't know if I'd know how to act if people didn't
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write that in didn't say that because I've been through all that you know the
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real you read the stories you know there was a moment there were a couple was
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truly six months from gone out of business and we've been through this
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cycle and and and as you know so I'm really smart one said is there's nothing
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to make you take bold moves than a near-death experience and and we have
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that and and and having people tell you that you're not that smart your your
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products aren't that great you're not going to survive is actually emboldened
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you to do good work and and try to make things better and be aggressive in
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Hungary in and I think that's also the way out will should be and we don't need
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to be told how great we are hoping we are it's not about that and and and and
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we don't want to talk about that it's not about peds and it's not about market
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value I mean sure the financing must worry about that but the rest of us it's
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about a we making the best product that people love what we do as a changing
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lives and if and if it isn't then beat us up till it is and that's a good place
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and I don't remember any great progress we've made where people have in pinned
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in the press in the beginning I mean they began the iPhone AP and the iPod
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they payin the iPad and great you know because I don't know what a successful
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product is if it doesn't start out with people saying I don't get it and I don't
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like it
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it's great i really appreciate you being here and the time but but but we finish
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up do you remember the first time you heard you got in contact with me it was
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a long time ago on October 2004 earlier in the month the Yankees
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maybe it was September I don't forget when you looked over my favorite team
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here again he's taken at three games to nothing lead against the Boston Red Sox
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and I still have this tradition it's just been a number of years since I've
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been able to do it which is the postseason I used their logo instead of
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my star in a circle and they used to in the early years 2002 2003 when I was
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really greedy because the Yankees World Series every single year I didn't even
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count the division series I didn't change the logo until they got to the AL
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championship series
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those were the days
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well one thing led to another and I don't know what happened but somehow the
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Red Sox ended up winning that entails yes and there is a great show in
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baseball history so I wake up the next day and I was despondent the team's
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losing three games noting that I started a bad mood to take my work and distract
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me now and and this is back in the day when you didn't get the preview I don't
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forget what the subject was but this from Philip Schiller somebody's pranking
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me and I click on it and it's from Phil Schiller Apple dot com and it's John
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it's so great they changed the logo back they lost the game and it's so great to
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see the regular logo
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the eighties put up a good fight card will be coming back to you
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oh yes I remember that that week really well so my reaction morning was so
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bifurcate
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was holy shit I read staring fireball and it was like an icy dagger in my
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remaining warm blood in my body was just drained I was shooting for
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but obviously I grew up in Boston some of the Boston sports fan but I don't
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care how much areas in the ball I don't
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Brady fan and take it for what its worth so but that serious so the third game I
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said im gonna watch the game and I said some of the hotel I'm gonna go with a
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good place to watch a baseball game so will the Mickey metal bar I said it's a
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Yankees game at the Mickey Mantle bar alright I'll go and I went and I whipped
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up a Red Sox cap was the only Red Sox fan in the entire Mickey Mantle bar and
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that was the game we got beat like seventeen six or something and I took a
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drubbing in everyone giving me a hard time and it was worth it because we
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deserved it and and so I thought I'd really taking the pain and those
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discussed the Artic thing that I could nicely and I i think i wrote that he
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know probably twelve times in different ways
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digging you teasing you tongue-in-cheek just add just the simple clean way
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that's the way to go
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anyway thank you Phil I want everybody here at mezzanine this place is great I
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have nothing but good things to say about you the entire staff everybody
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from sound security bartenders everybody let's give it up for them and he's
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handling audio tonight turning this into the audio podcast making sure we sound
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good I want to thank my sponsors MailChimp sponsored the bar
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who sponsored the video did it did it it's hard to do right
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also wanna get hurt and Jake Schumacher
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directors of the documentary the human story they're here tonight shooting as
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just to help with the video feed and everything like that that should be
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coming out later this year or early next year great movie that they're helping
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out with the video and then lastly want all you guys are the best audience in
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the world you guys get it I really appreciate it
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they say thank you thank you for that
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thank you Phil goodnight
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