00:00:00 ◼ ► menu I sent a good I got my eye just doing what my market tells me to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► know I've gotta keep saying I'm gonna do it market as well he keeps changing his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/7">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► opinion I like about all the stuff that he told me to buy in like a week later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► in 2002 this microphones even better than in like two weeks later ice-like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/16">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► and then there's this microphone dude I'm not gonna keep on microphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/20">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► the other thing that gets me too is the that I have to watch actually get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/25">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► too many devices to have to silence before a podcast you know I leave my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► watch silenced all the time I do too except when I don't and I at least have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/38">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► to at least have to check it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► well that's true yeah I i I leave it I'll leave it off the whole time I i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/46">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► can't remember the last time I turned it on that would kinda I don't know I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► be might be wishing for too much magic but I kind of wish that there was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/56">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► some kind of way to find iTunes or iCloud and say silence all my shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/60">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► that's the problem with iPhones and reaches the iPhones have the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/67">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► science which so you could say I wanted but it would still be switched on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/74">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► I think about that I i wish i had a button to push you know for the valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/81">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► podcasting demographic of which had a button push the basically said ok stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► thinking on your drop boxes and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► drank everything is silence enough already I'm not I i watch sound that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/92">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► one of the least compelling things about that that product to me and i i just i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► dont wanna have like I can feel a little taps I kind of don't need to hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/105">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► sound I kind of agree Africa who I was talking to an email if you have that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/109">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► forget what you said on a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► the same stuff over and shows like us know that was just a conversation I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/118">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► that the defaults might be wrong that the default for that will watch maybe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/124">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► be silent huh i I can see why it's not because it's that so anti that a call to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/129">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► every other device you own but I feel like with the watch it it actually makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/137">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► sense where most people you know maybe by the end if you're new to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/141">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► you're unfamiliar and you're going through the infamous first week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► getting to know Apple watch defaulting to trusting the haptics our tactics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/147">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► whatever you want to call is I think the way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/153">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► yeah I don't see i don't see the point I mean I could see the point in making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/156">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► noise when it's not on my wrist but when it's on my wrist and I can feel it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► kinda feel like that's enough for me and that and the shame of it is if there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/164">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► you know if there are instances where you should be alerted audibly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/170">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► something's going on you know you they're mixed in with the ones worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/176">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► pointless and so it's just you know I just turn them off and you know I'd much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/181">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► rather scaling back to have them be only when it's particularly important but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/185">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► know right now it's like every time anything happens it wants to do a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► dance and I don't need a little thing I've got totally got haptic feel down I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/193">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► know I know that it's tapping me I don't need a noise too and the noise annoys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► everybody else in the world the beauty of the haptics on the Apple watches that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► nobody here is your your your vibration like they hear it on the phone it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/208">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► a complete secret message from from your watch to you so why do I need to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/213">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► your recording right I am recording we just gotta do it this is always always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/219">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► recording session with 10 more in the other weekend and and a half way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/225">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► like is this a podcast no it's not but I was recording it could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/232">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► so I've been I've been away been on vacation for a while so I i has not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► a show for a while there is not really been much news that's gone on it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► like I picked a very advantageous time to go on vacation newswise but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► a couple of things that I like about this because this is a good like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/253">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► commentary type punditry type stuff that burst out in the last two weeks but one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/261">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► of them I guess is actually predated back to June which is when the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► couple times started shipping did you get one of those I didn't know you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/272">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► the original pebble four years for the two years basically I mean until until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/277">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► got my watch and I was one of the Kickstarter people so I got it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► whatever February of 13 something like that so two years yeah I kick started it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/288">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► original work for like two days and I i bought the new one to cause I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/295">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► well I mean I'm rooting for these guys I really do hope that they pull it out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/300">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► I think it's I think it's great that they have a different set of priorities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► not just Apple but everybody else in my face but I it really especially after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/308">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► having worn out watch for awhile it just it's so far behind in so many ways they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/316">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► just cant and one thing that made me think about it and just of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/322">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► things I want to talk about with you get it out the way first is you saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► when the topic squad you don't have to worry about people hearing them well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/329">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► tactical everybody in the room for me it's and it's not their fault but as iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/334">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► user I i just i can see the writing on the wall before it was like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► Apple had some Bluetooth stuff that would send notifications and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► other devices that could support including pebble and it seemed like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► know it was what it was but it was clear that the background Apple is working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► a watch and was going to put all their effort into trying with that watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► you know when I saw people try my thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► you know it they keep adding features for Android because they can tie into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► all of the Android where API's and it just seemed clear to me that that pebble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► was going to be a much better watch on Android that it was ever gonna be on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/375">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► because it was never gonna be a priority for Apple to support people because why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/379">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► would they they've got their own lunch yeah and even if you want to take a less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/384">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► cynical competitive or if you want to say anti competitive you it's just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► going to be a priority for them to spend the time to make those API's Republican [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/393">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► send a private even if they kind of thing in their heart of hearts of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► wanted to support third-party watch as likable as best they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/402">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► on iOS they're never gonna have the API's cap caught up to where the private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/407">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► nor are they going to be as rich as what is in the the entrance where stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/414">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► Android so if you're pebble you're like you know I was a nice market and you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/420">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► like to be there but your product is worse on it and it is on on Android so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/424">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► think I understand why they're prioritizing things that way and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/430">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► make the same decision and I don't blame Apple because you know what is up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► focus on a watch or kind of vague third-party support that really would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► only be mean Google talked about doing you know and read where support on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► but will be the same thing will be a nap the ties into some basically to stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and maybe some Google services they'll be able to do but you know I get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/451">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► impression that Apple can do some very clever things in the background in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/456">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► launching apps grabbing the data sending it to the watch that is not something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/461">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► that is allowed by third parties and so they're always going to be ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/466">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► things yeah yeah and if that's already a problem on Apple iTouch and it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/471">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► know in terms of sometimes the latency between tapping the weather complication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/475">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► on your face and actually getting the weather update with Apple having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/479">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► inside access to it imagine how much worse it would be for someone relying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► third-party I can't help but think that that's why Google that was a rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/487">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► leading up to his months ago actually but a rumor leading up to I O that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/491">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► was something that they might announce that I O in early June or late June may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/497">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► whatever the hell I O was and didn't happen I can't help but think that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/500">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► of the reasons you know maybe the main reason why not that they've been working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► on it but that it is so it pales in comparison both to Apple watch for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/508">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► and Android we're friends and so therefore why you know it its second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/514">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► rate either way just my experience with the pebble things like people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► update attempts in the background as long as the public was running and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► would run for a while and some point I was just kill it because it hadn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/526">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► running for a while and it needed to memory and at that point that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► like people won't talk to the watch the phone after that because you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/533">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► just a nap and it doesn't have any special powers there and you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/539">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► just how it is it's it's a it's a tough situation but I don't like them too I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/545">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► like the idea that this is a lower a lower cost you know simpler long life I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► like the fact that it's a long battery life things to like about it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/555">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► know the fact is platform vendors have so much power over over what these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/559">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► products can do and at least with Google they can tie into the stuff the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► built for Android where and good for them that that makes that a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/570">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► compelling product on Android but unless it's just never I mean I kept having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► this hope for the first two years like that they would get better and it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► get better for a while and then it feels like to me they had a wall where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► like this is all Apple is ever gonna let Bluetooth generic Bluetooth devices do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/585">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► you know app is a sort of nebulous word and as time goes on it's ever more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► nebulous but the basic idea cuz it doesn't really relate to anything like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► low-level computer science term it's a bundle you know that basically means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/600">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► it's a process running on your computer that displays a user interface to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/607">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► and it to me I mean this is my interpretation word it's a word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► inherently of the GUI era of computing it's a thing that no matter which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/618">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► computer you on the user looks at and interacts with and I you know even on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/624">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► iOS and then maybe in the early days like 2008 when the App Store first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/630">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► debuted that's really what apps were they were processes that showed a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/634">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► interface and add an icon and you're looking at it and it was running and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/639">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► you weren't looking at it wasn't running and was really pretty simple and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► there's you know as I S is involved there's a lot more that can happen in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► the background and you know apps can stay in memory was long as there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► enough memory to keep you know the most regional 345 most recently used apps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/657">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► know you can request for background download even when you're not running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/664">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► etcetera etcetera but basically to interact with another piece of hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/668">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► to have a phone interacting with in controlling with a watch you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► really want an app for that it has to be part of the operating system and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► no you know there's there's no way that third parties get the right parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/680">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► operating system iOS yeah you need some sort of future in the front steps toward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/684">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► this in some of the updates that have come out over the last few years but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/689">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► know something like people you really like a demon UNIX terminology that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► process that runs in the background all the time and Apple's marketing let Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► always has the ability to even even when there is a process running in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/704">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► background cuz I was back grounding you know as abscam Lennon the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► faceless lead to do some updates and things that Apple is never gonna give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/711">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► the option to kill something if it wants to improve the user experience by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/716">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► freeing up memory so that this other app can run and so you know somebody like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► people they just cant they can't install something with running all the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/724">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► they can't count on it being there and that it limits what they can do whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► Apple can can can try to do that we should say cuz I mean you mentioned it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► i sometimes will put on like a weather complication or or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/736">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► and it just for the sunset on that what is the solar face where it calculates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/741">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► data I've had not just gives up and it shows that like it's the Equinox because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/748">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► even though it's talking to the phone whatever process updates that data has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► just died or stalled and so even Apple is struggling with it and they control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/757">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► the operating system and that's you know if if it could if it made any sense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/761">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► it doesn't for people to be connected to your Mac instead of to your phone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/766">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► doesn't because you're gonna wander away from your Mac with your watch on wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► have a connection that's why it went to connect to a phone and not to a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► but if it if it made any sense they could write Mac software that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/778">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► everything it wanted to do but it wouldn't go through the Mac App Store it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► would be the sort of thing you download from get purple dot com and install on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► your Mac the old-fashioned way because it would have to do things that even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► the even on the Mac through the app story at that point you have wifi in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/794">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► thing and have a just talked to a web service and then only use the phone when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/799">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► it absolutely has to but then it's not really a phone accessory anymore right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► it's just a war there's a web service that the phone is talking to and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/808">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► the watches talking i mean it's just a mess it's not the same product at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► point right so my review of the pebble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/817">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► having written and I don't know if I'm gonna write I didn't write a review of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► the first people because it was and sort of out of good sportsmanship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/823">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► for lack of a better term that it would have been very negative and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/828">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► feel like that was i just didnt wanna do that you know I have other people wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/832">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► about it just felt like I was jumping on the pile with this one I feel like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/839">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► there been around long enough and now you know the market is this it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► fair to write a negative review so maybe I will maybe I won't but it's short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► it basically a the hardware really does not compare in any meaningful way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/853">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► what you can get with it happens watch sport so let's just compared to a polite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► sport 43 $53.99 yes that's more expensive than the double time which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/864">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► but it's in the same ballpark you know Toomey 199 in 349 its yet you know close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/871">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► to half against attack if you compared to the forty two millimeter version but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► it feels like way more than the Apple watch his way more than twice as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► made its me aesthetically you can tell just by looking at a picture of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/888">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► there's this double bezel effect around the display so the display is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/893">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► actually lights up in color but then around that there's a black thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► goes around the display and then around that is a piece of plastic that covers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/903">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► the crystal so there's like two vessels around the actual watch face and to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► in photographs it looks like it is what it is but while I was wearing it every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/911">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► time I glanced embarrassed it just stuck out and I realized that I've never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/917">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► a watch that has anything like that before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► digital analog or otherwise and it really feels like a compromise terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/923">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► Engineering aesthetically build why's it I thought it was really I know it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/928">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► like a petty thing but to me that the haptic engineer everyone calling time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/936">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► the fact that it's like a vibrator from your phone and it's very loud I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/942">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► like surprisingly loud is just a deal breaker and part of that is just my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/946">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► experience that will watch with the tactics being surprisingly central to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/952">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► the experience of using Apple ID with the pebble time it's to me is horrendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/956">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► I don't even know it may not even be any different than the one from the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/962">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► couple but once you've got used to watch Art I did it and it sort of this subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/965">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► tapping that is completely silent that allowed jarring like it just feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/971">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► the equivalent of holy shit something terrible is happening that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► be able to right away even if it's like a text message from somebody who you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/980">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► working with his says yes you get like a jolt erased it almost feels like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/985">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► electric shock and that to me and I'm not judging that in terms of iOS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► Android that would be the same no matter what you're using it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► and lastly to my other big complain about it is that this color screen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► they're using I understand that it gives tremendous battery life and the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► life on pebble is clearly the single best thing about it compared a polite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► but I can't read the screen in any light went out like getting it real close my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► eyes and holding it a perfect angle whether its broad daylight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► well lit room indoors or especially in dim lighting and demanding I can I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► see it even when I like it it's a really really low contrast screen and maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► maybe I'm in a bad place on that because you know the stuff I've had with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► retina and stuff like that but even when I close my bad I just look at it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► with my perfectly good write-up I really have a hard time reading that's worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► and to meet the contrast is the big thing the contrast is worse than with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► the original public's eye even went back and powered up my original people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► compare and just for readability to me it was it's worse it's really really low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► contrast yeah I wasn't convinced that given the resolution of a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► convinced that the color was even necessary I mean it's nice to have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► gonna get mock debate don't have color but it's it's not like there are in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► beautiful works of art on that display because it's not a very high res display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► it really is about getting imparting this information to you and anything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► do to junk that up and just makes it harder to read I don't know if I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► with you I feel like I want to root for those guys but you know even at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► even when I back that Kickstarter I felt like these guys had a very short window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► where they could come out not like that they're trying to be something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► and cheaper and you know maybe they could compete with the Fitbit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► world but instead you know I don't know why I got the warning sign I got was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► when they came out with the people steal because I didn't mind the design of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► original temple I mean yeah it was a big black watch but it was just you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► was what it was it was a curved plastic big chunk and it told the time and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► was fine I mean ultimately it always told the time and it lasted a week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► it did a couple of other new things so I was fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► wearing it as just a watch but the pebble time when it came out as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► and even listed the steel and it was not it was not I don't like the design of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► eye I really wondered what they were doing at that point that like it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► it was nice material but like if you bring your finger over the front of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► like there were sharp edges at the bezel because of the way they built the steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► bezel on top of the screen and so it's kind of uncomfortable to touch ya at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► that point I was I was starting to wonder what their priorities here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► you know do they know that this this freight train is running out them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► people time you know I think their time was great for their Kickstarter cuz it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► was before you know before Apple watch stuff started to really happen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► try to get in just before then but I don't know it's just I feel bad for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► but there was no way that I was going to buy one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► athletically I actually think original pebble is better than either of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► subsequent ones I doesn't have that double bezel effect it is a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► looking watch it's clearly some kind of smart wats type thing but it's not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► big and it's to me it's very honest to itself it looks like $100 $150 digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1193">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► watch and it has it own band that its trip with was it wasn't great but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► fine it was a fine you know what would you ever call you know rubber it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► river AIAIAI AIAIAI AIAIAI took that off so fast I just made my risks when he and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► I got a letter banned for it but there's lots of people who there's lots of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► digital watches that have a band that very much like that it's fine but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► fact that they picked a standard white connector so that it was easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► somebody just as easy to put a new band on it is it is any other standard watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► so i've seen the actually a lot of people I know who who have original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► people use you know some kind of other third party band yeah I've seen you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► yours many times used to at least another black leather band from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► shopping mall down the street and you know it was easy to put it on you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► like I like that it was it did it served its purpose but you know the boys was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► always hanging over their product and running Google Goggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► Android where stuff too because the platform vendors were clearly gonna come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► in and these these poor little guys we're gonna be kinda squeezed looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► it to get home page where they show all three of their watches and they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► the other thing that really gets my life I think that the steel is truly an ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► watching live sex in a few people wearing them people I know that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► seen people on airplanes wearing them and they'd they're very very telltale to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► me there's certainly a certain thing about the three logs that stick out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► the top and bottom to connect the wristband to in the way that the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► is almost or not the display but the face is almost a rectangle but not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► like a box of stuff too much stuff into when you're moving does olivia gets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► doesn't look like it's supposed to be a rounded shape it just looks like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► know that ended up on the sides a little bit but the other thing that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► getting that look into pictures that they decided to print the word pebble so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► bad black bezel underneath which is horrendous design mistake and it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► like you know like you can get into it with found but to me it's a lot like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► way that you know a lot of that you know almost all the Android phones I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► seen always have leaked Samsung written at the top probably with a Verizon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► AT&T stamped on the glass too and it's just like a low rent move in and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► where however well it flies in the phone world it flies worsen the watch world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► well you know it's not like a Rolex doesn't have a logo on it but it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► really like that to me it's real it's not like it's so cheap to me on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► pebble that you know we know what we're gonna do we're going to stick your name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► on there and you're never going to be able to get it off and I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► they did it may just have been that to get the right size bezel and into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► we got extra space what do we do put our name their yeah I don't know bothers me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► so I my I don't think there I know they're not a public company but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► advice would be if they were to sell your stuff but I am rooting for them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► I feel they don't take any pleasure in that really but I feel like they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► this is the problem of them had it going head-to-head with two hundred billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► dollar company or I guess I was more like an eight hundred billion dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► whenever a company with Apple's resources yep I me take a break and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► will thank our first sponsor we have we have our good friends at Harry's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► guys know harry's they sell high-quality razors and blades for a fraction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► price of the big RAZR brand was started by two guys who wanted a better product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► without paying an arm and a leg but they got really really serious about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► this is the thing I always impresses me about Harry's as you hear well it's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► startup that selling stuff and you think that they buy this stuff white label and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► just buy razor blades third party in the label them and package them in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► stuff know what they did is they found an old razor blade factory in Germany [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► that they liked so much they bought the factory and they make their own blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► they're all high performing German blades crafted right to their own specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► and that's the thing that the whole shaving experience starts with obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► before you get any kind of products before you get to the handles its the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► blade that you're rubbing against your skin and hair is so focused on that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► bought their own factory truly truly impressive in my experience it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► shows in the product that they sell to you what they do is they offered this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► high quality stuff at factory direct pricing because they don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► middleman you when you buy stuff from houzz.com it's Harry's who fulfills it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► and ship it to you so by getting rid of them the middlemen later by getting rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► third party stores by getting rid of drug stores they have to go to visit go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► through the hassle of asking someone to unlock the case and open it up they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► celebrate you and the starter set is a great great deal really really low price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► for 15 bucks you get a razor moisturizing shave cream or gel your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► choice and three razor blades then when you need more blades they're just two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► bucks each or less an eight pack is 15 bucks 16 pack is just 25 and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► goes up from there you can buy in bulk and save more and more the more the by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► the time but even if you just by aidid it it's 15 bucks for a refill you cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► be that with Gillette views in fusion or any of those brands like that I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► you go to Amazon released last time I checked is from a note that the amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► and the Amazon courses huge discounters celebrating the discount but for a 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► pack of fusions from July to pay 41 bucks so it way more that's more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► three and a half bucks and played it truly is half the price for something of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► comfortable quality great packaging nice heavy handle I was just looking at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► handle recently I've been traveling with it I've had this thing ever since harry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► started sponsoring the talk show I've had one handle from Ares I was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► at it I got like the chrome one whatever that means called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► run it under hot water and wipe it off it looks like mint condition and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► not like a baby it it's unbelievable look brand new so all I've ever done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► I'll have ever done with these guys to refill it is I just by blades and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► time i buy more she was it so here we go to Harry's dot com use the promo code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► the talk show that the code and you will save five bucks off your first purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► so my thanks to he's got to Harry's Jason yeah that that handle still super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► sharp and yeah I just by blades in the shape room the Winston said the chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► handle it's the Truman said that comes with the iron generally that is around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► plastic I got the shiny one that's the that won the original one when you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► nice and yeah that's funny I was trying to come up with like the competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► remember they're gone I just get there is played out about those competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► for get it done next on my list of topics for the show is this thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► popped up she's like two weeks ago now but it was the beginning of my vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► this whole idea that safari is the new I was on vacation to read this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► going to bed at my in-laws house and it made me mad and I was like I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► gonna sleep on it I woke up in the morning I was like nope still mad so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► this was written by a web developer named Nolan Watson website and it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► Ars Technica republished with 99% sure it given that they pay them and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► they were published it there but it certainly brought it to more people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► attention and for people who were around in the nineties and disagree and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► even nearly 2,000 honesty I think I just got together stylesheet for daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► fireball that says i sux at CES you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► yeah it's I don't even have to look it up I'm sure I've left a note for myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► Jimbo explaining why it has to be in a separate file and why i think its cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► its I have it conditionally commented out on I think that's the story and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► HTML for during fireball its conditionally commented out and small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► stylesheet ie underscore sucks that PHP you've got there it's just setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► margins and hittin yeah yeah it sucks and that was that was I think and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► think I was mostly concerned with the Mac I E which was a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► but anyway I far people who had to deal with it it does seem like you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► that sort of stuff with JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► JavaScript with Safari so it feels like its accusations that the headline was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► written to get attention rather than to accurately portray the article to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► we're just I think I don't think he intended to become famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► I think I don't think so either but I and he was frustrated that he went to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► conference one of many he probably goes to bout with web developers and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► web developers bitched about how well you know I want to do this thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► it's on safari in the apple doesn't let let you do this on safari in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► complaint about the stuff that that Safari didn't do or didn't do well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► they perceive as likely who knows what he's doing and you know some of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► maybe Apple not communicating and some of that maybe Apple not telling them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► what they want to hear but I think it was really much very much like who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► who are we bitching about the meetings used to be I N Out Safari so so far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► the new IEM and you know he ran with that maybe he he I think it was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► cheeky and then it kind of a kind of blew up in his face but I think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► his intent and you know when I was at Macworld I I would hear it from our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► developers are web developers that both on the front end and also for our CNS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► who would who do this stuff and show it as new feature and we were tried in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► Safari and they would be like you know we would say it doesn't work in Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► in America so I heard that from them too I suspect it might have been more they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► weren't properly testing on safari and you know but I I definitely heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► the web developers I used to work with at Safari had some weird things about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► there are outliers and they had to do some extra stuff in order to get the get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► what they were building for us to work on safari so there's I'm sure there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► some truth to that although you can probably look at some stuff that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► Safari and if you've developed for it then get frustrated by Chrome or Firefox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► to depends on your perspective and in in law since peace i very much fealty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► Eric room and a little bit Android kind of perspective but I think in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► what he really meant was we used to bitch about I in Safari at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► conferences that I go to yeah I think it's twofold I think one is that a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► and perhaps even more sensational headline would have been Apple is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► new Microsoft yeah if you're just one wow blank is the new blank I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► that's it and and by that I mean they are in charge of a dominant operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► system whereby dominant I mean it means everybody has to support it and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► people feel like they need to support it as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► top tier target for their web development and it has a massive user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► base and the company is not motivated to dance to the rest of the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► open web communities to because i dont have to and so they can do what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► want they can do what they want and so in many in many cases not all in both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► both Microsoft and apples cases not all the time but some of the time they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► decide well we did that is not as high a priority for us as it is for you and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► we are going to do what we want to do that is frustrating to them I used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► phrase high priority or Apple's prioritizing and I gotta I got a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► bunch of angry I was walking around downtown San Diego on my vacation and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► keep getting these like every time I will check my phone there be like 15 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► responses on Twitter and they were very much from web developers and end a focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► so much on that idea the prioritization like Apple got all the money they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► need to prioritize they can do everything which is not I think accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► at all but but it is the difference is that Microsoft in those days could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► really defined the web because almost every browser was using was windows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► almost like I mean like what ninety percent eighty-five percent was at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► is probably around 90% and and the at that time the only devices that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► browsing the web or PCs yes there were no mobile devices doing this and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► latter days maybe there was like wow or something like that that's well past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► of where I E became ie right yes so that it's a very different one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► arguments about kind of access to a platform that people like a shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► platform which is we want to be on iOS and I definitely got the sense that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► know this is about he originally I was wondering if it was about so far in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► WebKit in general and as I read his articles I realized it's really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► about mobile doesn't really care about the Mac Safari he cares about iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► wanting access to iOS and wanted to build things that work really well I S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and like I get that but that's very different from a company that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► literally like whatever they did was the web and that was where Microsoft was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► in some ways it depends on how you define it in some ways not nobody's ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► gonna be the new I ever again and so when I read that I I start to read it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► this isn't really about it is about web standards but it's about using web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► standards and being frustrated that they don't grant you access to a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► platform that you want to have and you know I understand where they're coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► from but it's not it's not the same as it's a different kind argument that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► where that analogy falls down for me and to me one of the things that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► did that made i ii ii is that they promoted purposefully you know for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► for the reason that it's not even that there could be an argument the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► there is no maybe about it that they added features two ie that depended on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► Windows especially the ActiveX stuff which was like literally just x86 how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► we fix the web to make a more interactive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► well just in bed x86 code in web pages I mean I guess you could argue that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► would be the that it wasn't really about blocking locking ie to Windows it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► active but you know i i i think that there were ways to make it an attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► that wouldn't have been so proprietary and ActiveX could not have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► proprietary there is no way for other platforms to add ActiveX even I E Mack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► didn't do the ActiveX it was really it wasn't even about locking the web tie it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► was about locking the web to Windows or at least part of it and a whole slew of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► corporate type stuff where where Windows was already entrenched in where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► were a lot of in-house Windows developers already all went that route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► you know there was you know as a Mac user from the whole there there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► whole you know time when you know everybody was a bit went from there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► no way I'm ever gonna do banking online because that would be crazy if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► gonna get hacked and lose all my money to maybe I should do banking online too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► I think I i i would like to do my banking on and then you find out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► your bank's website only worked with you know I E [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► persian blank or later on Windows blank or later because the whole website was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► based on proprietary windows and the we should say that during that period the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► web standards people were a real lifeline for Mac users because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► saying this stuff isn't standard and Mac users will be where the example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► this ten percent of the web is not allowed access this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► ultimately what cracked crack this open i think is first off I got so bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► Firefox game started becoming popular and a lot of the same stuff that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► anywhere but I E for Windows didn't work on Firefox on Windows either and so site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► started to make sure that it will also work in Firefox and I can't tell you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► many times you've probably experienced this too in that couple of years things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► started working on the Mac because the websites were redesigned to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► Firefox on Windows and not just I ES and Mac users alike thank you very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► because it works for us to now and and you know that was a web standards based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► thing and it's when you're in a minority platform it is a web standards are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► yeah and so i dont thats where I think the analogy between Safari and IE really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► breaks down into me it's really more about Apple and Microsoft and being more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► interested in their own well-being and their own users well-being and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► always said like Apple's priorities are threefold Apple first its users second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► and developers third and it wants all three to be happy but when push comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► shove that the order in which things are gonna fall and I'm sure that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► people out there who would argue that users come first but in my experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► covering the company I'm trying to think of a good example but well that's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► to say I don't know why I have I should I give it some time goes up simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► there's a reason I mean this is i dont wanna go down the rabbit hole but I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► say things like things like Amazon and comiXology not being able to purchase an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► ad from a perfectly reasonable vendor because Apple ones to intercept 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► percent because they're making money on Apple's platform is not an improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► of the user experience but it is an apple yes so even even the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► they disallow say the Kindle app from having a link that goes jumps you out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► Safari to do the purchasing of Kendall theirs is a perfect example I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► could also argue that their high profit margins on hardware are helpful first or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► second irrelevant to developers more or less hard not to argue that it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► be better for its customers if prices were a little bit lower which is not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► say that they can't get me just to say that these are the right and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► could make a long-term argument that maybe that is good for users because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► high profit margins strengthened Apple as a company and make it more likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► that they're going to be successful in a position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► do new things going forward you know that the iPhone could be developed what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► it was in 2007 because they had the money which were profits from the Mac to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► funded etcetera i mean but down now you're going you know another level in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► the argument but because of this you know Apple first users second developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► third if you want to subdivide developers third and web developers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► underneath native third-party app developers every time for Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► that's not to say that Apple doesn't want Safari everywhere Mac iOS to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► great platform and i have a web developers use it but it's never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► to be a higher priority than natives and this argument I feel like I know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► couple weeks ago on ATP I felt like Marco and John were kind of arguing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► sounded like arguing but they were actually just arguing two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► points that I agree with both of them and it's the depends on how you view the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► web I mean on on one hand the web is an open web is a beautiful thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► all benefit from and that we need to keep because no one vendors in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► it and it's a commonality that we all have you don't have to go use a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► imagine a world where you to use an app for everything right it's like the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► browser is great because some stuff doesn't need to be an app doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► to be in a people build Web pages any device including ones we've never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► thought of now can be devised and can read those web pages and isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► great so that the open web and I think it's powerful and important and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► standards are important because that way no one vendor is going to control the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► future of this and everybody can access it but for me the other the other piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► of it and I mean what John Syracuse has told me is you guys are really overdoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► it but if you read the normal awesome piece I think it is definitely in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► is this concept of what he calls the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► it was a point made in an installable web apps breakout and the whole idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► is you know standards community once to create that has decided that a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► thing is to bundle up web apps and make them installable like apps which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► the width of the you know the Chrome App Store that idea and that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► different cuz that's not the open web per se it's sort of like using web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► technologies to build apps and that is totally where I see somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► understands Apple somebody who's inside Apple goes we are not as excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► that because that that doesn't sound like the open web that sounds like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► guys trying to say we want to have you know me to a platform on your devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► and we don't love that idea right at least right now why would we prioritize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► that we're really happy with with native apps well dad said Apple of course is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► the company who in 2007 per said this is how you can create apps for the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► but it's limited to what initial version of web killers Apple has allowed you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► mean we don't mention both getting 500 emails about it you know I forget what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► version of iOS added this feature but it was years ago is certainly 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► single-digit 2008 2009 where the action button on any web page you can save ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► in Iowa won at some point it was certainly an hour west to but i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► right and and there's a way a very simple way as a web developer where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► you don't do anything when you do that you just get like a bookmark on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► home screen and you tap it in an open to that Web page in Mobile Safari like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► regular tap sorry but there's a way that you can have just with some simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► just a mark-up you can have your webpage open without being looking like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► Safari it looks like a standalone app and some people have made some pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► you know very very close to native looking and feeling solutions that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and it still there you can still do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► the different with I think there's no Lawson argument and the people who back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► him up is that they want those apps to be able to do more and more and I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► think that one of the proposals that they want i mean some of the stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► want to do in this is just not gonna happen is it the service workers is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► doing stuff in the background not gonna happen and it ties into something i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► wanna talk about later you know which is the whole idea of web pages to stop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► the background by JavaScript and the adverse effects on performance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► battery life in not to mention control you know from Apple's perspective this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► is not gonna happen again I get my web developers would want to do this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► it puts their skills in the most exciting place to be right now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► developing a mobile apps and their limited there so I think they would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► this and any web standards body is all about the web standards so why would we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► want to be a part of this I totally get that and I get why Apple would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► resistant and I get why Google wouldn't care and would perhaps even be asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► them on and supporting it and chrome because it doesn't hurt Google like her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► example because Google is happy to give away an operating system and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► everybody use it and whatever while Apple needs to be different and pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► their platform forward and having reasons why it's better so I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► all that I also think that ultimately if every web browser does something if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► becomes sort of the consensus of like this is how it's done I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► Apple's going to kick and scream and dragged its feet I think it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► embrace whatever ends up being the standards but I do think that it at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► point stuff like this Apple is completely understandable just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► that are not our number one goal here because we really like Nate about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► sweet solution has always been there but you know the absurd is a huge strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► of apples and I think they're there they don't see a strategic benefit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► allowing web developers to bypass the App Store and create experiences that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► may or may not be up to snuff from what can be done with you know with native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► apps using the latest iOS APs and part of it to an implicit and a lot of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► arguments from the pro web developer we want you know we'd see Apple is dragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► its feet holding back the open web part of it is that a pool yes they have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► interest in keeping the App Store as important as a strategic just for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► advantage that that Richard web apps that you could just install from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► everywhere that don't have an approval they don't go through the App Store that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► it would hurt that but the other thing that these these developers want is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► they're still chasing the dream of write once run everywhere where they can rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► one that would run on all mobile devices you know Windows Phone and Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► iOS with minimal if none if any per platform you know special cases and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► that's not just against Apple's interest that actually against Apple's vision for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► what's best for the platform because we've seen that for decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► you know anything any kind of write once run anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► runtime type thing is inherently a second class experience to what can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► and so there's a reason that that's actually in in the long run it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► it's maybe anti developer maybe anti web developer but it's in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► perspective very much pro user to say we want to take strategic we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► strategically keep that from becoming the where the industry does because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► think it's a much better vastly better user experience to mostly be using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► native apps and if they're mostly using made about it allows us Apple to do new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► things quickly more quickly than if it depended on the industry update exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► right exactly does the the two big issues one of them is this write once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► run anywhere thing where and and people who use Java today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► get really mad when I talk about the nineties but in the nineties we were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► sort of sold this idea that Java was this amazing technology that was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► to let people write apps that ran on the Mac and ran on the PC and anybody on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► Mac in the nineties who tried that saw that when they ran they ran badly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► they never felt like you were using them on the Mac anyway it was a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► and then you could put in as a developer huge amounts of work to try and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► better on the Mac and look more like the Mac but at that point now you've got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► this this huge chunk of work that is about kind of localizing for the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► you're no longer writing once and running anywhere so it was it was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► was that was my formative moment in terms of saying oh it's important that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► stuff get written to the platform that it's on you can tell when it's not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► mean you can't even tell when things like microsoft office were written for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► the Mac but using some code and guidelines from windows even even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► it wasn't write once run anywhere it was still not a good experience on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► platform because it was really something that had come across from a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► platform so it's not it's not good for users and I don't think that I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► know this would be similar and that's about experience and Apple knows that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► would almost certainly be about experience in most cases there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► that you know but what about this but what about this I'm sure there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► some brilliant one that would be great but a lot of them would be exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► same on Windows and on Android and they would look kind of like night there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► be and what we really want to do that and then your second point is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► true right now applicants a hey new API's at WWDC new iOS coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► look how we can push this platform forward you've got access to a touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► sensor now you've got you know whatever the next thing is you've got we put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► metal API's in there were doing all of the stuff for you that makes making apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► on our platform better than anywhere else and makes our platform better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► makes your apps better so let's do that and then contrast that with well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► know everybody what we want for our standard let's run it through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► standards body but see what everybody says it's not that standards are an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► important and can't be good but that seems pretty antithetical to what is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► key part of Apple's strategy which is pushing things forward itself being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► opinionated and saying we think this is important we built it and having a team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► of you know community of developers who will adopt that stuff and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► everything gets better and I have a hard time seeing how that happens quickly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► a you know any web standards app development platform right and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► the things that seems to be forgotten in this whole Apple is opposed to the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► web mindset is something that is very much what can one opinionated company in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► a position of strength do which is the way that in my opinion Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► singlehandedly burst the box that Adobe Flash on the open web both in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► user experience in terms of battery life and performance certainly improved terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3113">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► of security even to this day lady even this didn't July 2015 as hacking team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► all their exploits were almost of their exploits were based on Adobe Flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► security also 24 unknown to the public and in terms of beings having what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► called the web where you get on a webpage being driven by standards well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► Adobe Flash resign standards proprietary format controlled owned by Adobe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► when I always ship without flash it was predicted by many as a reason that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► would never really take off because you wouldn't be able to see video on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► or do anything interactive on the web and in this time went on and famously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► Steve Jobs wrote an open letter thoughts on flash explaining why why why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► haven't and why they do not plan to and will not support Adobe Flash iOS you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► know it was criticized by many including a lot of people who I think at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► would call themselves that you know there was that plugin plugin API is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► of the web too well it turns out that it did and it didn't keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► iOS users from seeing video it took years it did take years it one-sided a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► time as they got their act together switched to the open standard which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► just the simple video tag from html5 but here we are today and ice I serve 99% of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► the time in Safari iOS and Mac and sometimes in america still runnin decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► when they see that they insist on serving me flash even if I change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► do the developer menu trick and say ok I'm gonna tell you that I'm an iPad will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► you please give me it every once in a while I still get that I have to if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► really wanna most time I just give up and say screw you watching your video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► I guess I need to I can go to crime and crime has the Flash plugin built in I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► can't remember the last time I encountered video that didn't play on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► phone or iPad though everybody just about everybody seems to have their act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► together and when they're actually dealing with iOS and serves that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► that is not just for the benefit of iOS users that for the benefit of anybody on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► any operating system or any device that wants to watch video not have Flash run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► and that is the sort of thing that if Apple just went along with what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► quote-unquote community wanted they would have added support iOS but be by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► being a single opinionated company with different priorities from maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► certainly different priorities from the all the web publishers that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► publishing flash-based video they changed the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► gave goals because Google remember tried to try to get flash running on Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► for a little while and at some point at some point that fell apart and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► like some of that was also the courage to not bother because it was already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► known on iowa's and and it was one of those things that wasn't gonna be they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► thought it would be a competitive advantage it turned out to not be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► that was helpful for all of us that I mean what would have happened if Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► had gotten Flash to work efficiently on Android maybe things would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► different but you know we do we do benefit from the fact that the normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► since they haven't gotten a running and they couldn't they just couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► BlackBerry PlayBook Corey side on the webOS tablets it was awful and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► mean that was I can't help but think I don't know in a few political to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► that I can outfit I don't have any little birdies Google who can say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► this happened that I would bet my bottom dollar that there were an awful lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► people within Google if not a majority of people within Google who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► when they sort of double down on Flash support on Android collectively within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► the company they like what they're doing why don't we follow them and weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► wipe this scourge off the web faster why in the world would we not follow their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► lead here here somewhere where we ought to be aligned with clearly it was cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► they were really defensive in behind me thought it was one of their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► differentiation I think just friends right that's one of those areas and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► was at a time and and this is certainly lessened greatly and I think it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► does sort of correlate to when they got Andy Rubin you know sort of Cheltenham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► under a closet put Android under the control of under whatever his name is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► that Andrade at that point became a lot more integrated with Google up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► then I wrote about this couple times enduring fireball I always felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► Android felt like its own independent company within Google sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► witness supposedly and seems to be right now that it was in and raise interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► maybe to do that but it certainly wasn't with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► Google's overall interest I think Google's overall interest were much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► better served with flash wiped out i mean the flight is one thing but search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► you know any kind of content in Flash Player was either either not indexable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► or harder to index the stuff that was in HTML oh yeah yeah yeah I think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► that was right Google Google as a as a company is much more sort of open web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► standards kind of company and then there was the intra-group and the injured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► groups like this is a Apple has given us an opening by refusing to support it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► kinda like don't throw me in the briar patch a little bit it's like hey we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► to support flash has Apple didn't and then they did trend then they work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► Adobe and realized oh this is not very good and it was in the end it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► not an advantage to have flash on mobile but they thought it was and I hope it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► was in there were lots of ads right there were like TV ads that said real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► flash real web video yeah it was i mean they would but that was the thing is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► was it was too cheap to try to find a weakness for Apple kind of blindsided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► and the at brunette is an ad was in my opinion stupid thing because nobody ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► had any idea what was all they knew is that every once in a while and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► still do every once in a while to get a dialog box saying you can't do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► unless you upgrade your Flash click these eighteen Padres and install your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► password in and install all this and then come back and hopefully it'll work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► but they don't know what / especially as long as it were no flash thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► really great for Apple in the end because I think how many how many native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► iOS apps were written in the early days of the iPhone because the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► whatever a site's extrusion into the world you know was built around flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► geez we can't do that that's right now we can do it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► like the major league baseball app which has been one of the most successful at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► Severn was there on I think day one on the App Store one of the reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► existed is because they didn't you know they were using flash and then later at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► all of their audio and video stuff and they couldn't do that on the iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► they really wanted to be on the iPhone so they you know rather than rebuild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► their entire infrastructure on land and build rebuild the front end for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► everybody they just took those you know they made sure they had some iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► compatible streams on their servers and roadmap and so we need any app market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► got a lot richer because companies wrote apps because they couldn't just rely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► flash on the web and that was good for Apple yeah and and maybe MLB would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► written a penny either way anyway you don't know I mean they still don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► a Mac App if your iMac and what do they do but or do they hits yeah they do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► wrote a thing about it a few months ago on six carries it is I think period last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► year it's still posted it uses the eighth it uses the streams that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► iPad app uses so it doesn't use flash it crashes half the time not while you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► playing it like the next time you launch it crashes in the new launches again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► that works like every other time it crashes on launch super kinky my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► understanding is that they that they d prioritized it so it's basically I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► there's some developers that MLB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► who really wish that they were building this thing has their Mac users and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► haven't been given any time to do it but it is around you can find it and which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► is I was going to say I'm in my in my mind I'm thinking of MacBooks which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► likely the most majority of people use and I think that's a good machine to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► watch a ballgame as I sit here talking to you staring in front of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► 30 interesting I'm gets kind of would be a pretty good received about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► ballgame front of yeah I mean it's not bad to just would like to see that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► better than a webpage right and and but you're right there is no they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► need to do that on the map but they did need to do it to get on iOS and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► did and who knows how many other companies are in a similar position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► where they had a thing that worked in flash and then the developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► designers probably would have wanted to go native anyway because they they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► they know how much better native can be and they can go to management so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► really want to do a native app our choices a company is used that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► in the hypothetical world where you could get flashed around on iOS we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► do this thing we could use a flash and adjusted to the screen size and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/3703">TS</a>]
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02:07:45 ◼ ► that are the equivalent of that were you have to spend a few seconds doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/7665">TS</a>]
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02:07:52 ◼ ► to read whereas they would never sell out like that on the print product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/7672">TS</a>]
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02:30:25 ◼ ► uncomfortable with the fact that some of those Google Adsense ads had no control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9025">TS</a>]
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02:30:36 ◼ ► month or two but that I never and never put anything and you know god bless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9036">TS</a>]
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02:31:22 ◼ ► money on the table and there were years in the 2007 2008 2009 era where I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9082">TS</a>]
02:31:28 ◼ ► you know and I listen to some of the pictures from ad networks you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9088">TS</a>]
02:31:34 ◼ ► were released and who knows if they will ever but the numbers they were telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9094">TS</a>]
02:31:38 ◼ ► me that they can give me per month were way more than what I was making i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9098">TS</a>]
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02:31:46 ◼ ► nice and enter it it was way more money than I was making per month during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9106">TS</a>]
02:31:51 ◼ ► fireball at a time when it really would have been meaningful to me my family but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9111">TS</a>]
02:31:56 ◼ ► I turned it all down because I absolutely wasn't comfortable with at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9116">TS</a>]
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02:32:05 ◼ ► person who am I gonna call myself an artist but maybe it comes out within our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9125">TS</a>]
02:32:10 ◼ ► artistic integrity angle but if you're at a site where there's no corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9130">TS</a>]
02:32:15 ◼ ► structure above you in and you're you know supposed to justify stuff with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9135">TS</a>]
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02:32:23 ◼ ► publications could go years turning down stuff and building something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9143">TS</a>]
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02:32:43 ◼ ► Jason's now to get the spelling of your name right now it's hard to spell it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9163">TS</a>]
02:32:48 ◼ ► adds all this crap on your clit and there were those ads that or they called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9168">TS</a>]
02:32:53 ◼ ► that were there were you still see them where they take likes raises in stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9173">TS</a>]
02:32:58 ◼ ► and editorials and hyperlinks them to advertising it and usually badly that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9178">TS</a>]
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02:33:28 ◼ ► link that the writer of the article put in which they really wanted the reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9208">TS</a>]
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02:33:42 ◼ ► a new salesperson or a new executive who would say you know hey have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9222">TS</a>]
02:33:48 ◼ ► about these new things that do this and it would be the same old thing will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9228">TS</a>]
02:33:51 ◼ ► stuff like that these contextual ads and hyperlinks and you know it would end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9231">TS</a>]
02:33:55 ◼ ► being yet another argument where I would have to say that senatorial content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9235">TS</a>]
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02:34:04 ◼ ► other places you're breaking you know you're laying edit or advertising on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9244">TS</a>]
02:34:08 ◼ ► of editorial and it's it's inappropriate and into bed user experience etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9248">TS</a>]
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02:34:22 ◼ ► know the argument was always the same which is well it's incremental revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw-BkzA/9262">TS</a>]
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