The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► menu I sent a good I got my eye just doing what my market tells me to do I [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► know I've gotta keep saying I'm gonna do it market as well he keeps changing his [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► opinion I like about all the stuff that he told me to buy in like a week later [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► in 2002 this microphones even better than in like two weeks later ice-like [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► and then there's this microphone dude I'm not gonna keep on microphones [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► the other thing that gets me too is the that I have to watch actually get one [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► too many devices to have to silence before a podcast you know I leave my [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► watch silenced all the time I do too except when I don't and I at least have [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► to at least have to check it before [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► well that's true yeah I i I leave it I'll leave it off the whole time I i I [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► can't remember the last time I turned it on that would kinda I don't know I might [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► be might be wishing for too much magic but I kind of wish that there was like [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► some kind of way to find iTunes or iCloud and say silence all my shit [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► that's the problem with iPhones and reaches the iPhones have the physical [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► science which so you could say I wanted but it would still be switched on [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► I think about that I i wish i had a button to push you know for the valuable [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► podcasting demographic of which had a button push the basically said ok stop [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► thinking on your drop boxes and stuff [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► drank everything is silence enough already I'm not I i watch sound that is [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► one of the least compelling things about that that product to me and i i just i [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► dont wanna have like I can feel a little taps I kind of don't need to hear the [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► sound I kind of agree Africa who I was talking to an email if you have that we [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► forget what you said on a podcast [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► the same stuff over and shows like us know that was just a conversation I had [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► that the defaults might be wrong that the default for that will watch maybe to [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► be silent huh i I can see why it's not because it's that so anti that a call to [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► every other device you own but I feel like with the watch it it actually makes [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► sense where most people you know maybe by the end if you're new to it and [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► you're unfamiliar and you're going through the infamous first week of [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► getting to know Apple watch defaulting to trusting the haptics our tactics [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► whatever you want to call is I think the way to go [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► yeah I don't see i don't see the point I mean I could see the point in making [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► noise when it's not on my wrist but when it's on my wrist and I can feel it I [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► kinda feel like that's enough for me and that and the shame of it is if there are [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► you know if there are instances where you should be alerted audibly because [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► something's going on you know you they're mixed in with the ones worth [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► pointless and so it's just you know I just turn them off and you know I'd much [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► rather scaling back to have them be only when it's particularly important but you [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► know right now it's like every time anything happens it wants to do a little [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► dance and I don't need a little thing I've got totally got haptic feel down I [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► know I know that it's tapping me I don't need a noise too and the noise annoys [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► everybody else in the world the beauty of the haptics on the Apple watches that [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► nobody here is your your your vibration like they hear it on the phone it's just [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► a complete secret message from from your watch to you so why do I need to do in [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► your recording right I am recording we just gotta do it this is always always [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► recording session with 10 more in the other weekend and and a half way through [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► like is this a podcast no it's not but I was recording it could have been [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► so I've been I've been away been on vacation for a while so I i has not been [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► a show for a while there is not really been much news that's gone on it was [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► like I picked a very advantageous time to go on vacation newswise but there was [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► a couple of things that I like about this because this is a good like [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► commentary type punditry type stuff that burst out in the last two weeks but one [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► of them I guess is actually predated back to June which is when the new [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► couple times started shipping did you get one of those I didn't know you were [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► the original pebble four years for the two years basically I mean until until I [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► got my watch and I was one of the Kickstarter people so I got it in [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► whatever February of 13 something like that so two years yeah I kick started it [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► original work for like two days and I i bought the new one to cause I thought [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► well I mean I'm rooting for these guys I really do hope that they pull it out and [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► I think it's I think it's great that they have a different set of priorities [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► not just Apple but everybody else in my face but I it really especially after [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► having worn out watch for awhile it just it's so far behind in so many ways they [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► just cant and one thing that made me think about it and just of all the [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► things I want to talk about with you get it out the way first is you saying that [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► when the topic squad you don't have to worry about people hearing them well [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► when the couple time [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► tactical everybody in the room for me it's and it's not their fault but as iOS [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► user I i just i can see the writing on the wall before it was like you know [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► Apple had some Bluetooth stuff that would send notifications and there are [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► other devices that could support including pebble and it seemed like you [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► know it was what it was but it was clear that the background Apple is working on [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► a watch and was going to put all their effort into trying with that watch and [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► you know when I saw people try my thought [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► you know it they keep adding features for Android because they can tie into [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► all of the Android where API's and it just seemed clear to me that that pebble [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► was going to be a much better watch on Android that it was ever gonna be on iOS [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► because it was never gonna be a priority for Apple to support people because why [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► would they they've got their own lunch yeah and even if you want to take a less [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► cynical competitive or if you want to say anti competitive you it's just never [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► going to be a priority for them to spend the time to make those API's Republican [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► send a private even if they kind of thing in their heart of hearts of Apple [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► wanted to support third-party watch as likable as best they could [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► on iOS they're never gonna have the API's cap caught up to where the private [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► API's for Apple watcher [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► nor are they going to be as rich as what is in the the entrance where stuff on [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► Android so if you're pebble you're like you know I was a nice market and you'd [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► like to be there but your product is worse on it and it is on on Android so I [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► think I understand why they're prioritizing things that way and I would [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► make the same decision and I don't blame Apple because you know what is up with a [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► focus on a watch or kind of vague third-party support that really would [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► only be mean Google talked about doing you know and read where support on iOS [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► but will be the same thing will be a nap the ties into some basically to stuff [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► and maybe some Google services they'll be able to do but you know I get the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► impression that Apple can do some very clever things in the background in terms [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► of launching [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► launching apps grabbing the data sending it to the watch that is not something [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► that is allowed by third parties and so they're always going to be ahead of [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► things yeah yeah and if that's already a problem on Apple iTouch and it is you [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► know in terms of sometimes the latency between tapping the weather complication [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► on your face and actually getting the weather update with Apple having the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► inside access to it imagine how much worse it would be for someone relying on [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► third-party I can't help but think that that's why Google that was a rumor [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► leading up to his months ago actually but a rumor leading up to I O that that [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► was something that they might announce that I O in early June or late June may [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► whatever the hell I O was and didn't happen I can't help but think that one [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► of the reasons you know maybe the main reason why not that they've been working [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► on it but that it is so it pales in comparison both to Apple watch for iOS [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► and Android we're friends and so therefore why you know it its second [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► rate either way just my experience with the pebble things like people would [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► update attempts in the background as long as the public was running and it [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► would run for a while and some point I was just kill it because it hadn't been [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► running for a while and it needed to memory and at that point that was it [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► like people won't talk to the watch the phone after that because you know it's [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► just a nap and it doesn't have any special powers there and you know that's [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► just how it is it's it's a it's a tough situation but I don't like them too I [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► like the idea that this is a lower a lower cost you know simpler long life I [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► like the fact that it's a long battery life things to like about it but you [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► know the fact is platform vendors have so much power over over what these other [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► products can do and at least with Google they can tie into the stuff the Google [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► built for Android where and good for them that that makes that a more [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► compelling product on Android but unless it's just never I mean I kept having [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► this hope for the first two years like that they would get better and it did [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► get better for a while and then it feels like to me they had a wall where it's [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► like this is all Apple is ever gonna let Bluetooth generic Bluetooth devices do I [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► you know app is a sort of nebulous word and as time goes on it's ever more [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► nebulous but the basic idea cuz it doesn't really relate to anything like a [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► low-level computer science term it's a bundle you know that basically means [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► it's a process running on your computer that displays a user interface to the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► user [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► and it to me I mean this is my interpretation word it's a word [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► inherently of the GUI era of computing it's a thing that no matter which [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► computer you on the user looks at and interacts with and I you know even on [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► iOS and then maybe in the early days like 2008 when the App Store first [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► debuted that's really what apps were they were processes that showed a user [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► interface and add an icon and you're looking at it and it was running and if [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► you weren't looking at it wasn't running and was really pretty simple and now [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► there's you know as I S is involved there's a lot more that can happen in [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► the background and you know apps can stay in memory was long as there's [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► enough memory to keep you know the most regional 345 most recently used apps you [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► know you can request for background download even when you're not running [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► etcetera etcetera but basically to interact with another piece of hardware [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► to have a phone interacting with in controlling with a watch you don't [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► really want an app for that it has to be part of the operating system and there's [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► no you know there's there's no way that third parties get the right parts of the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► operating system iOS yeah you need some sort of future in the front steps toward [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► this in some of the updates that have come out over the last few years but you [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► know something like people you really like a demon UNIX terminology that is a [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► process that runs in the background all the time and Apple's marketing let Apple [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► always has the ability to even even when there is a process running in the [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► background cuz I was back grounding you know as abscam Lennon the background [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► faceless lead to do some updates and things that Apple is never gonna give up [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► the option to kill something if it wants to improve the user experience by [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► freeing up memory so that this other app can run and so you know somebody like [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► people they just cant they can't install something with running all the time and [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► they can't count on it being there and that it limits what they can do whereas [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► Apple can can can try to do that we should say cuz I mean you mentioned it I [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► i sometimes will put on like a weather complication or or something like that [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► and it just for the sunset on that what is the solar face where it calculates [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► out like the sunrise sunset date [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► data I've had not just gives up and it shows that like it's the Equinox because [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► even though it's talking to the phone whatever process updates that data has [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► just died or stalled and so even Apple is struggling with it and they control [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► the operating system and that's you know if if it could if it made any sense and [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► it doesn't for people to be connected to your Mac instead of to your phone it [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► doesn't because you're gonna wander away from your Mac with your watch on wanna [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► have a connection that's why it went to connect to a phone and not to a computer [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► but if it if it made any sense they could write Mac software that did [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► everything it wanted to do but it wouldn't go through the Mac App Store it [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► would be the sort of thing you download from get purple dot com and install on [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► your Mac the old-fashioned way because it would have to do things that even in [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► the even on the Mac through the app story at that point you have wifi in a [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► thing and have a just talked to a web service and then only use the phone when [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► it absolutely has to but then it's not really a phone accessory anymore right [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► it's just a war there's a web service that the phone is talking to and that [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► the watches talking i mean it's just a mess it's not the same product at that [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► point right so my review of the pebble [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► having written and I don't know if I'm gonna write I didn't write a review of [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► the first people because it was and sort of out of good sportsmanship [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► for lack of a better term that it would have been very negative and I didn't [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► feel like that was i just didnt wanna do that you know I have other people wrote [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► about it just felt like I was jumping on the pile with this one I feel like hey [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► there been around long enough and now you know the market is this it would be [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► fair to write a negative review so maybe I will maybe I won't but it's short and [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► it basically a the hardware really does not compare in any meaningful way to do [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► what you can get with it happens watch sport so let's just compared to a polite [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► sport 43 $53.99 yes that's more expensive than the double time which [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► starts at 199 [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► but it's in the same ballpark you know Toomey 199 in 349 its yet you know close [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► to half against attack if you compared to the forty two millimeter version but [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► it feels like way more than the Apple watch his way more than twice as well [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► made its me aesthetically you can tell just by looking at a picture of the time [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► there's this double bezel effect around the display so the display is what [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► actually lights up in color but then around that there's a black thing that [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► goes around the display and then around that is a piece of plastic that covers [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► the crystal so there's like two vessels around the actual watch face and to me [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► in photographs it looks like it is what it is but while I was wearing it every [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► time I glanced embarrassed it just stuck out and I realized that I've never seen [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► a watch that has anything like that before [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► digital analog or otherwise and it really feels like a compromise terms of [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► Engineering aesthetically build why's it I thought it was really I know it sounds [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► like a petty thing but to me that the haptic engineer everyone calling time [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► the fact that it's like a vibrator from your phone and it's very loud I mean [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► like surprisingly loud is just a deal breaker and part of that is just my [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► experience that will watch with the tactics being surprisingly central to [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► the experience of using Apple ID with the pebble time it's to me is horrendous [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► I don't even know it may not even be any different than the one from the original [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► couple but once you've got used to watch Art I did it and it sort of this subtle [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► tapping that is completely silent that allowed jarring like it just feels like [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the equivalent of holy shit something terrible is happening that you need to [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► be able to right away even if it's like a text message from somebody who you're [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► working with his says yes you get like a jolt erased it almost feels like an [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► electric shock and that to me and I'm not judging that in terms of iOS or [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► Android that would be the same no matter what you're using it with [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► and lastly to my other big complain about it is that this color screen that [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► they're using I understand that it gives tremendous battery life and the battery [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► life on pebble is clearly the single best thing about it compared a polite [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► but I can't read the screen in any light went out like getting it real close my [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► eyes and holding it a perfect angle whether its broad daylight [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► well lit room indoors or especially in dim lighting and demanding I can I can't [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► see it even when I like it it's a really really low contrast screen and maybe it [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► maybe I'm in a bad place on that because you know the stuff I've had with the [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► retina and stuff like that but even when I close my bad I just look at it with [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► with my perfectly good write-up I really have a hard time reading that's worse [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► and to meet the contrast is the big thing the contrast is worse than with [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► the original public's eye even went back and powered up my original people to [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► compare and just for readability to me it was it's worse it's really really low [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► contrast yeah I wasn't convinced that given the resolution of a really [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► convinced that the color was even necessary I mean it's nice to have their [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► gonna get mock debate don't have color but it's it's not like there are in a [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► beautiful works of art on that display because it's not a very high res display [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► it really is about getting imparting this information to you and anything you [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► do to junk that up and just makes it harder to read I don't know if I I'm [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► with you I feel like I want to root for those guys but you know even at the time [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► even when I back that Kickstarter I felt like these guys had a very short window [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► where they could come out not like that they're trying to be something different [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► and cheaper and you know maybe they could compete with the Fitbit of the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► world but instead you know I don't know why I got the warning sign I got was [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► when they came out with the people steal because I didn't mind the design of the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► original temple I mean yeah it was a big black watch but it was just you know it [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► was what it was it was a curved plastic big chunk and it told the time and that [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► was fine I mean ultimately it always told the time and it lasted a week and [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► it did a couple of other new things so I was fine [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► wearing it as just a watch but the pebble time when it came out as like [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► more expensive and fancy [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► and even listed the steel and it was not it was not I don't like the design of an [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► eye I really wondered what they were doing at that point that like it it was [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► it was nice material but like if you bring your finger over the front of it [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► like there were sharp edges at the bezel because of the way they built the steel [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► bezel on top of the screen and so it's kind of uncomfortable to touch ya at [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► that point I was I was starting to wonder what their priorities here and [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► you know do they know that this this freight train is running out them and [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► people time you know I think their time was great for their Kickstarter cuz it [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► was before you know before Apple watch stuff started to really happen in the [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► try to get in just before then but I don't know it's just I feel bad for him [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► but there was no way that I was going to buy one [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► athletically I actually think original pebble is better than either of the [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► subsequent ones I doesn't have that double bezel effect it is a weird [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► looking watch it's clearly some kind of smart wats type thing but it's not too [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► big and it's to me it's very honest to itself it looks like $100 $150 digital [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► watch and it has it own band that its trip with was it wasn't great but it was [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► fine it was a fine you know what would you ever call you know rubber it was a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► river AIAIAI AIAIAI AIAIAI took that off so fast I just made my risks when he and [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► I got a letter banned for it but there's lots of people who there's lots of other [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► digital watches that have a band that very much like that it's fine but the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► fact that they picked a standard white connector so that it was easy for [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► somebody just as easy to put a new band on it is it is any other standard watch [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► so i've seen the actually a lot of people I know who who have original [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► people use you know some kind of other third party band yeah I've seen you with [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► yours many times used to at least another black leather band from the [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► shopping mall down the street and you know it was easy to put it on you know I [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► like I like that it was it did it served its purpose but you know the boys was [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► always hanging over their product and running Google Goggles [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► Android where stuff too because the platform vendors were clearly gonna come [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► in and these these poor little guys we're gonna be kinda squeezed looking at [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► it to get home page where they show all three of their watches and they still [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► sell all three [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► the other thing that really gets my life I think that the steel is truly an ugly [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► watching live sex in a few people wearing them people I know that I've [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► seen people on airplanes wearing them and they'd they're very very telltale to [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► me there's certainly a certain thing about the three logs that stick out of [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► the top and bottom to connect the wristband to in the way that the display [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► is almost or not the display but the face is almost a rectangle but not quite [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► like a box of stuff too much stuff into when you're moving does olivia gets it [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► doesn't look like it's supposed to be a rounded shape it just looks like you [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► know that ended up on the sides a little bit but the other thing that really [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► getting that look into pictures that they decided to print the word pebble so [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► bad black bezel underneath which is horrendous design mistake and it almost [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► like you know like you can get into it with found but to me it's a lot like the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► way that you know a lot of that you know almost all the Android phones I've ever [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► seen always have leaked Samsung written at the top probably with a Verizon or [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► AT&T stamped on the glass too and it's just like a low rent move in and just [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► where however well it flies in the phone world it flies worsen the watch world [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► well you know it's not like a Rolex doesn't have a logo on it but it didn't [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► really like that to me it's real it's not like it's so cheap to me on the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► pebble that you know we know what we're gonna do we're going to stick your name [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► on there and you're never going to be able to get it off and I don't know why [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► they did it may just have been that to get the right size bezel and into the [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► size of your screen [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► we got extra space what do we do put our name their yeah I don't know bothers me [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► so I my I don't think there I know they're not a public company but my [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► advice would be if they were to sell your stuff but I am rooting for them so [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► I feel they don't take any pleasure in that really but I feel like they are [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► this is the problem of them had it going head-to-head with two hundred billion [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► dollar company or I guess I was more like an eight hundred billion dollar [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► whenever a company with Apple's resources yep I me take a break and I [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► will thank our first sponsor we have we have our good friends at Harry's you [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► guys know harry's they sell high-quality razors and blades for a fraction of the [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► price of the big RAZR brand was started by two guys who wanted a better product [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► without paying an arm and a leg but they got really really serious about this [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► this is the thing I always impresses me about Harry's as you hear well it's some [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► startup that selling stuff and you think that they buy this stuff white label and [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► just buy razor blades third party in the label them and package them in their own [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► stuff know what they did is they found an old razor blade factory in Germany [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► that they liked so much they bought the factory and they make their own blades [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► they're all high performing German blades crafted right to their own specs [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► and that's the thing that the whole shaving experience starts with obviously [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► before you get any kind of products before you get to the handles its the [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► blade that you're rubbing against your skin and hair is so focused on that they [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► bought their own factory truly truly impressive in my experience it really [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► shows in the product that they sell to you what they do is they offered this [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► high quality stuff at factory direct pricing because they don't have a [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► middleman you when you buy stuff from houzz.com it's Harry's who fulfills it [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► and ship it to you so by getting rid of them the middlemen later by getting rid [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► of distributors by getting [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► third party stores by getting rid of drug stores they have to go to visit go [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► through the hassle of asking someone to unlock the case and open it up they just [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► celebrate you and the starter set is a great great deal really really low price [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► for 15 bucks you get a razor moisturizing shave cream or gel your [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► choice and three razor blades then when you need more blades they're just two [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► bucks each or less an eight pack is 15 bucks 16 pack is just 25 and I think it [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► goes up from there you can buy in bulk and save more and more the more the by [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► the time but even if you just by aidid it it's 15 bucks for a refill you cannot [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► be that with Gillette views in fusion or any of those brands like that I think if [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► you go to Amazon released last time I checked is from a note that the amazon [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► and the Amazon courses huge discounters celebrating the discount but for a 12 [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► pack of fusions from July to pay 41 bucks so it way more that's more like [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► three and a half bucks and played it truly is half the price for something of [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► comfortable quality great packaging nice heavy handle I was just looking at my [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► handle recently I've been traveling with it I've had this thing ever since harry [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► started sponsoring the talk show I've had one handle from Ares I was looking [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► at it I got like the chrome one whatever that means called [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► run it under hot water and wipe it off it looks like mint condition and it's [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► not like a baby it it's unbelievable look brand new so all I've ever done [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► I'll have ever done with these guys to refill it is I just by blades and one [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► time i buy more she was it so here we go to Harry's dot com use the promo code [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the talk show that the code and you will save five bucks off your first purchase [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► so my thanks to he's got to Harry's Jason yeah that that handle still super [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► sharp and yeah I just by blades in the shape room the Winston said the chrome [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► handle it's the Truman said that comes with the iron generally that is around [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► plastic I got the shiny one that's the that won the original one when you got a [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► nice and yeah that's funny I was trying to come up with like the competitors [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► remember they're gone I just get there is played out about those competitors [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► for get it done next on my list of topics for the show is this thing that [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► popped up she's like two weeks ago now but it was the beginning of my vacation [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► this whole idea that safari is the new I was on vacation to read this before [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► going to bed at my in-laws house and it made me mad and I was like I'm just [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► gonna sleep on it I woke up in the morning I was like nope still mad so if [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► this was written by a web developer named Nolan Watson website and it kind [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► of blew up [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► Ars Technica republished with 99% sure it given that they pay them and that [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► they were published it there but it certainly brought it to more people's [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► attention and for people who were around in the nineties and disagree and maybe [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► even nearly 2,000 honesty I think I just got together stylesheet for daring [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► fireball that says i sux at CES you do [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► yeah it's I don't even have to look it up I'm sure I've left a note for myself [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► Jimbo explaining why it has to be in a separate file and why i think its cuz [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► its I have it conditionally commented out on I think that's the story and the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► HTML for during fireball its conditionally commented out and small [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► stylesheet ie underscore sucks that PHP you've got there it's just setting [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► margins and hittin yeah yeah it sucks and that was that was I think and I [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► think I was mostly concerned with the Mac I E which was a better experience [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► but anyway I far people who had to deal with it it does seem like you have to do [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► that sort of stuff with JavaScript [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► JavaScript with Safari so it feels like its accusations that the headline was [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► written to get attention rather than to accurately portray the article to me [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► we're just I think I don't think he intended to become famous [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► I think I don't think so either but I and he was frustrated that he went to a [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► conference one of many he probably goes to bout with web developers and all the [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► web developers bitched about how well you know I want to do this thing but [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► it's on safari in the apple doesn't let let you do this on safari in the [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► complaint about the stuff that that Safari didn't do or didn't do well and [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► they perceive as likely who knows what he's doing and you know some of that [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► maybe Apple not communicating and some of that maybe Apple not telling them [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► what they want to hear but I think it was really much very much like who are [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► who are we bitching about the meetings used to be I N Out Safari so so far as [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► the new IEM and you know he ran with that maybe he he I think it was being [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► cheeky and then it kind of a kind of blew up in his face but I think that was [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► his intent and you know when I was at Macworld I I would hear it from our [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► developers are web developers that both on the front end and also for our CNS [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► who would who do this stuff and show it as new feature and we were tried in [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► Safari and they would be like you know we would say it doesn't work in Safari [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► in America so I heard that from them too I suspect it might have been more they [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► weren't properly testing on safari and you know but I I definitely heard from [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► the web developers I used to work with at Safari had some weird things about it [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► there are outliers and they had to do some extra stuff in order to get the get [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► what they were building for us to work on safari so there's I'm sure there is [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► some truth to that although you can probably look at some stuff that's in [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► Safari and if you've developed for it then get frustrated by Chrome or Firefox [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► to depends on your perspective and in in law since peace i very much fealty of [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► Eric room and a little bit Android kind of perspective but I think in the end [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► what he really meant was we used to bitch about I in Safari at these [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► conferences that I go to yeah I think it's twofold I think one is that a more [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► and perhaps even more sensational headline would have been Apple is the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► new Microsoft yeah if you're just one wow blank is the new blank I think [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► that's it and and by that I mean they are in charge of a dominant operating [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► system whereby dominant I mean it means everybody has to support it and most [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► people feel like they need to support it as it [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► top tier target for their web development and it has a massive user [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► base and the company is not motivated to dance to the rest of the web [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► open web communities to because i dont have to and so they can do what they [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► want they can do what they want and so in many in many cases not all in both in [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► both Microsoft and apples cases not all the time but some of the time they just [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► decide well we did that is not as high a priority for us as it is for you and so [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► we are going to do what we want to do that is frustrating to them I used the [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► phrase high priority or Apple's prioritizing and I gotta I got a whole [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► bunch of angry I was walking around downtown San Diego on my vacation and I [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► keep getting these like every time I will check my phone there be like 15 20 [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► responses on Twitter and they were very much from web developers and end a focus [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► so much on that idea the prioritization like Apple got all the money they didn't [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► need to prioritize they can do everything which is not I think accurate [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► at all but but it is the difference is that Microsoft in those days could [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► really defined the web because almost every browser was using was windows and [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► using IE [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► almost like I mean like what ninety percent eighty-five percent was at least [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► is probably around 90% and and the at that time the only devices that were [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► browsing the web or PCs yes there were no mobile devices doing this and in the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► latter days maybe there was like wow or something like that that's well past the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► point [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► of where I E became ie right yes so that it's a very different one of these [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► arguments about kind of access to a platform that people like a shiny [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► platform which is we want to be on iOS and I definitely got the sense that you [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► know this is about he originally I was wondering if it was about so far in [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► WebKit in general and as I read his articles I realized it's really just [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► about mobile doesn't really care about the Mac Safari he cares about iOS and [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► wanting access to iOS and wanted to build things that work really well I S [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and like I get that but that's very different from a company that can [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► literally like whatever they did was the web and that was where Microsoft was so [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► in some ways it depends on how you define it in some ways not nobody's ever [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► gonna be the new I ever again and so when I read that I I start to read it as [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► this isn't really about it is about web standards but it's about using web [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► standards and being frustrated that they don't grant you access to a particular [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► platform that you want to have and you know I understand where they're coming [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► from but it's not it's not the same as it's a different kind argument that's [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► where that analogy falls down for me and to me one of the things that Microsoft [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► did that made i ii ii is that they promoted purposefully you know for the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► for the reason that it's not even that there could be an argument the other way [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► there is no maybe about it that they added features two ie that depended on [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Windows especially the ActiveX stuff which was like literally just x86 how do [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► we fix the web to make a more interactive [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► well just in bed x86 code in web pages I mean I guess you could argue that that [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► would be the that it wasn't really about blocking locking ie to Windows it was [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► about making it more [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► active but you know i i i think that there were ways to make it an attractive [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► that wouldn't have been so proprietary and ActiveX could not have been a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► proprietary there is no way for other platforms to add ActiveX even I E Mack [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► didn't do the ActiveX it was really it wasn't even about locking the web tie it [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► was about locking the web to Windows or at least part of it and a whole slew of [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► corporate type stuff where where Windows was already entrenched in where there [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► were a lot of in-house Windows developers already all went that route [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► with their with their website [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► you know there was you know as a Mac user from the whole there there was a [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► whole you know time when you know everybody was a bit went from there is [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► no way I'm ever gonna do banking online because that would be crazy if you know [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► gonna get hacked and lose all my money to maybe I should do banking online too [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► I think I i i would like to do my banking on and then you find out that [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► your bank's website only worked with you know I E [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► persian blank or later on Windows blank or later because the whole website was [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► based on proprietary windows and the we should say that during that period the [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► web standards people were a real lifeline for Mac users because they were [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► saying this stuff isn't standard and Mac users will be where the example like [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► this ten percent of the web is not allowed access this stuff [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► ultimately what cracked crack this open i think is first off I got so bad that [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► Firefox game started becoming popular and a lot of the same stuff that didn't [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► work on IE [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► anywhere but I E for Windows didn't work on Firefox on Windows either and so site [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► started to make sure that it will also work in Firefox and I can't tell you how [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► many times you've probably experienced this too in that couple of years things [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► started working on the Mac because the websites were redesigned to work on [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► Firefox on Windows and not just I ES and Mac users alike thank you very much [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► because it works for us to now and and you know that was a web standards based [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► thing and it's when you're in a minority platform it is a web standards are [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► especially a big deal [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► yeah and so i dont thats where I think the analogy between Safari and IE really [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► breaks down into me it's really more about Apple and Microsoft and being more [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► interested in their own well-being and their own users well-being and I've [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► always said like Apple's priorities are threefold Apple first its users second [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► and developers third and it wants all three to be happy but when push comes to [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► shove that the order in which things are gonna fall and I'm sure that there are [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► people out there who would argue that users come first but in my experience [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► covering the company I'm trying to think of a good example but well that's hard [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► to say I don't know why I have I should I give it some time goes up simple [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► there's a reason I mean this is i dont wanna go down the rabbit hole but I will [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► say things like things like Amazon and comiXology not being able to purchase an [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► ad from a perfectly reasonable vendor because Apple ones to intercept 30 [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► percent because they're making money on Apple's platform is not an improvement [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► of the user experience but it is an apple yes so even even the fact that [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► they disallow say the Kindle app from having a link that goes jumps you out to [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► Safari to do the purchasing of Kendall theirs is a perfect example I think you [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► could also argue that their high profit margins on hardware are helpful first or [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► second irrelevant to developers more or less hard not to argue that it wouldn't [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► be better for its customers if prices were a little bit lower which is not to [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► say that they can't get me just to say that these are the right and then you [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► could make a long-term argument that maybe that is good for users because the [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► high profit margins strengthened Apple as a company and make it more likely [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that they're going to be successful in a position [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► do new things going forward you know that the iPhone could be developed what [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► it was in 2007 because they had the money which were profits from the Mac to [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► funded etcetera i mean but down now you're going you know another level in [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► the argument but because of this you know Apple first users second developers [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► third if you want to subdivide developers third and web developers are [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► gonna come in [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► underneath native third-party app developers every time for Apple and [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► that's not to say that Apple doesn't want Safari everywhere Mac iOS to be a [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► great platform and i have a web developers use it but it's never going [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► to be a higher priority than natives and this argument I feel like I know if you [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► listen to [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► couple weeks ago on ATP I felt like Marco and John were kind of arguing it [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► sounded like arguing but they were actually just arguing two different [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► points that I agree with both of them and it's the depends on how you view the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► web I mean on on one hand the web is an open web is a beautiful thing that we [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► all benefit from and that we need to keep because no one vendors in charge of [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► it and it's a commonality that we all have you don't have to go use a nap [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► imagine a world where you to use an app for everything right it's like the web [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► browser is great because some stuff doesn't need to be an app doesn't have [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► to be in a people build Web pages any device including ones we've never even [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► thought of now can be devised and can read those web pages and isn't that [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► great so that the open web and I think it's powerful and important and web [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► standards are important because that way no one vendor is going to control the [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► future of this and everybody can access it but for me the other the other piece [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► of it and I mean what John Syracuse has told me is you guys are really overdoing [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► it but if you read the normal awesome piece I think it is definitely in there [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► is this concept of what he calls the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► it was a point made in an installable web apps breakout and the whole idea [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► there is [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► is you know standards community once to create that has decided that a good [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► thing is to bundle up web apps and make them installable like apps which is that [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► the width of the you know the Chrome App Store that idea and that's really [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► different cuz that's not the open web per se it's sort of like using web [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► technologies to build apps and that is totally where I see somebody who [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► understands Apple somebody who's inside Apple goes we are not as excited about [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► that because that that doesn't sound like the open web that sounds like you [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► guys trying to say we want to have you know me to a platform on your devices [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► and we don't love that idea right at least right now why would we prioritize [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► that we're really happy with with native apps well dad said Apple of course is [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► the company who in 2007 per said this is how you can create apps for the iPhone [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► but it's limited to what initial version of web killers Apple has allowed you i [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► mean we don't mention both getting 500 emails about it you know I forget what [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► version of iOS added this feature but it was years ago is certainly 2000 [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► single-digit 2008 2009 where the action button on any web page you can save ad [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► in Iowa won at some point it was certainly an hour west to but i think is [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► right and and there's a way a very simple way as a web developer where if [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► you don't do anything when you do that you just get like a bookmark on your [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► home screen and you tap it in an open to that Web page in Mobile Safari like a [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► regular tap sorry but there's a way that you can have just with some simple [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► meditating and programming [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► just a mark-up you can have your webpage open without being looking like it's in [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► Safari it looks like a standalone app and some people have made some pretty [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► you know very very close to native looking and feeling solutions that way [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► and it still there you can still do it [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► the different with I think there's no Lawson argument and the people who back [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► him up is that they want those apps to be able to do more and more and I even [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► think that one of the proposals that they want i mean some of the stuff they [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► want to do in this is just not gonna happen is it the service workers is like [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► doing stuff in the background not gonna happen and it ties into something i [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► wanna talk about later you know which is the whole idea of web pages to stop in [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► the background by JavaScript and the adverse effects on performance and [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► battery life in not to mention control you know from Apple's perspective this [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► is not gonna happen again I get my web developers would want to do this because [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► it puts their skills in the most exciting place to be right now is [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► developing a mobile apps and their limited there so I think they would like [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► this and any web standards body is all about the web standards so why would we [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► want to be a part of this I totally get that and I get why Apple would be [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► resistant and I get why Google wouldn't care and would perhaps even be asking [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► them on and supporting it and chrome because it doesn't hurt Google like her [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► example because Google is happy to give away an operating system and let [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► everybody use it and whatever while Apple needs to be different and pushing [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► their platform forward and having reasons why it's better so I understand [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► all that I also think that ultimately if every web browser does something if this [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► becomes sort of the consensus of like this is how it's done I don't think [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► Apple's going to kick and scream and dragged its feet I think it's going to [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► embrace whatever ends up being the standards but I do think that it at this [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► point stuff like this Apple is completely understandable just saying [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that are not our number one goal here because we really like Nate about the [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► sweet solution has always been there but you know the absurd is a huge strength [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► of apples and I think they're there they don't see a strategic benefit in [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► allowing web developers to bypass the App Store and create experiences that [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► may or may not be up to snuff from what can be done with you know with native [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► apps using the latest iOS APs and part of it to an implicit and a lot of these [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► arguments from the pro web developer we want you know we'd see Apple is dragging [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► its feet holding back the open web part of it is that a pool yes they have an [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► interest in keeping the App Store as important as a strategic just for Apple [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► advantage that that Richard web apps that you could just install from [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► everywhere that don't have an approval they don't go through the App Store that [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► it would hurt that but the other thing that these these developers want is that [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► they're still chasing the dream of write once run everywhere where they can rate [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► one that would run on all mobile devices you know Windows Phone and Android and [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► iOS with minimal if none if any per platform you know special cases and [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► that's not just against Apple's interest that actually against Apple's vision for [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► what's best for the platform because we've seen that for decades [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► you know anything any kind of write once run anywhere [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► runtime type thing is inherently a second class experience to what can be [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► done natively [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► and so there's a reason that that's actually in in the long run it really is [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► it's maybe anti developer maybe anti web developer but it's in Apple's [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► perspective very much pro user to say we want to take strategic we want to [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► strategically keep that from becoming the where the industry does because we [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► think it's a much better vastly better user experience to mostly be using [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► native apps and if they're mostly using made about it allows us Apple to do new [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► things quickly more quickly than if it depended on the industry update exactly [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► right exactly does the the two big issues one of them is this write once [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► run anywhere thing where and and people who use Java today [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► get really mad when I talk about the nineties but in the nineties we were all [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► sort of sold this idea that Java was this amazing technology that was going [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► to let people write apps that ran on the Mac and ran on the PC and anybody on the [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► Mac in the nineties who tried that saw that when they ran they ran badly and [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► they never felt like you were using them on the Mac anyway it was a bad [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► experience even [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► and then you could put in as a developer huge amounts of work to try and make it [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► better on the Mac and look more like the Mac but at that point now you've got all [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► this this huge chunk of work that is about kind of localizing for the Mac and [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► you're no longer writing once and running anywhere so it was it was that [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► was that was my formative moment in terms of saying oh it's important that [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► stuff get written to the platform that it's on you can tell when it's not i [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► mean you can't even tell when things like microsoft office were written for [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► the Mac but using some code and guidelines from windows even even when [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► it wasn't write once run anywhere it was still not a good experience on your [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► platform because it was really something that had come across from a different [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► platform so it's not it's not good for users and I don't think that I think you [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► know this would be similar and that's about experience and Apple knows that it [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► would almost certainly be about experience in most cases there's always [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► that you know but what about this but what about this I'm sure there will be [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► some brilliant one that would be great but a lot of them would be exactly the [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► same on Windows and on Android and they would look kind of like night there and [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► be and what we really want to do that and then your second point is absolutely [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► true right now applicants a hey new API's at WWDC new iOS coming out [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► developers jump on it [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► look how we can push this platform forward you've got access to a touch [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► sensor now you've got you know whatever the next thing is you've got we put the [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► metal API's in there were doing all of the stuff for you that makes making apps [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► on our platform better than anywhere else and makes our platform better and [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► makes your apps better so let's do that and then contrast that with well you [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► know everybody what we want for our standard let's run it through the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► standards body but see what everybody says it's not that standards are an [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► important and can't be good but that seems pretty antithetical to what is a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► key part of Apple's strategy which is pushing things forward itself being [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► opinionated and saying we think this is important we built it and having a team [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► of you know community of developers who will adopt that stuff and then [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► everything gets better and I have a hard time seeing how that happens quickly in [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► a you know any web standards app development platform right and one of [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► the things that seems to be forgotten in this whole Apple is opposed to the open [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► web mindset is something that is very much what can one opinionated company in [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► a position of strength do which is the way that in my opinion Apple [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► singlehandedly burst the box that Adobe Flash on the open web both in terms of [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► user experience in terms of battery life and performance certainly improved terms [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► of security even to this day lady even this didn't July 2015 as hacking team [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► outfit over in Italy [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► all their exploits were almost of their exploits were based on Adobe Flash [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► security also 24 unknown to the public and in terms of beings having what is [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► called the web where you get on a webpage being driven by standards well [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► Adobe Flash resign standards proprietary format controlled owned by Adobe and [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► when I always ship without flash it was predicted by many as a reason that it [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► would never really take off because you wouldn't be able to see video on the web [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► or do anything interactive on the web and in this time went on and famously [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► Steve Jobs wrote an open letter thoughts on flash explaining why why why they [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► haven't and why they do not plan to and will not support Adobe Flash iOS you [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► know it was criticized by many including a lot of people who I think at the time [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► would call themselves that you know there was that plugin plugin API is part [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► of the web too well it turns out that it did and it didn't keep it [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► iOS users from seeing video it took years it did take years it one-sided a [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► time as they got their act together switched to the open standard which is [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► just the simple video tag from html5 but here we are today and ice I serve 99% of [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► the time in Safari iOS and Mac and sometimes in america still runnin decide [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► when they see that they insist on serving me flash even if I change the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► do the developer menu trick and say ok I'm gonna tell you that I'm an iPad will [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► you please give me it every once in a while I still get that I have to if I [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► really wanna most time I just give up and say screw you watching your video [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► I guess I need to I can go to crime and crime has the Flash plugin built in I [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► can't remember the last time I encountered video that didn't play on my [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► phone or iPad though everybody just about everybody seems to have their act [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► together and when they're actually dealing with iOS and serves that and [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► that is not just for the benefit of iOS users that for the benefit of anybody on [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► any operating system or any device that wants to watch video not have Flash run [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► and that is the sort of thing that if Apple just went along with what the [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► quote-unquote community wanted they would have added support iOS but be by [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► being a single opinionated company with different priorities from maybe the [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► industry as a whole [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► certainly different priorities from the all the web publishers that were [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► publishing flash-based video they changed the web [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► gave goals because Google remember tried to try to get flash running on Android [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► for a little while and at some point at some point that fell apart and I feel [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► like some of that was also the courage to not bother because it was already [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► known on iowa's and and it was one of those things that wasn't gonna be they [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► thought it would be a competitive advantage it turned out to not be and [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► that was helpful for all of us that I mean what would have happened if Adobe [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► had gotten Flash to work efficiently on Android maybe things would have been [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► different but you know we do we do benefit from the fact that the normal [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► since they haven't gotten a running and they couldn't they just couldn't [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► BlackBerry PlayBook Corey side on the webOS tablets it was awful and yeah I [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► mean that was I can't help but think I don't know in a few political to say [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► that I can outfit I don't have any little birdies Google who can say that [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► this happened that I would bet my bottom dollar that there were an awful lot of [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► people within Google if not a majority of people within Google who [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► when they sort of double down on Flash support on Android collectively within [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► the company they like what they're doing why don't we follow them and weekend [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► wipe this scourge off the web faster why in the world would we not follow their [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► lead here here somewhere where we ought to be aligned with clearly it was cuz [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► they were really defensive in behind me thought it was one of their own [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► differentiation I think just friends right that's one of those areas and that [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► was at a time and and this is certainly lessened greatly and I think it really [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► does sort of correlate to when they got Andy Rubin you know sort of Cheltenham [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► under a closet put Android under the control of under whatever his name is [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► that Andrade at that point became a lot more integrated with Google up until [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► then I wrote about this couple times enduring fireball I always felt like [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► Android felt like its own independent company within Google sort of like [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► witness supposedly and seems to be right now that it was in and raise interest [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► maybe to do that but it certainly wasn't with it [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► Google's overall interest I think Google's overall interest were much [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► better served with flash wiped out i mean the flight is one thing but search [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► you know any kind of content in Flash Player was either either not indexable [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► or harder to index the stuff that was in HTML oh yeah yeah yeah I think that was [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► that was right Google Google as a as a company is much more sort of open web [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► standards kind of company and then there was the intra-group and the injured [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► groups like this is a Apple has given us an opening by refusing to support it was [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► kinda like don't throw me in the briar patch a little bit it's like hey we get [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► to support flash has Apple didn't and then they did trend then they work with [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► Adobe and realized oh this is not very good and it was in the end it was it was [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► not an advantage to have flash on mobile but they thought it was and I hope it [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► was in there were lots of ads right there were like TV ads that said real [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► flash real web video yeah it was i mean they would but that was the thing is it [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► was it was too cheap to try to find a weakness for Apple kind of blindsided [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► everybody with the iPhone [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► and the at brunette is an ad was in my opinion stupid thing because nobody ever [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► had any idea what was all they knew is that every once in a while and they [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► still do every once in a while to get a dialog box saying you can't do this [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► unless you upgrade your Flash click these eighteen Padres and install your [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► password in and install all this and then come back and hopefully it'll work [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► but they don't know what / especially as long as it were no flash thing was [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► really great for Apple in the end because I think how many how many native [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► iOS apps were written in the early days of the iPhone because the you know [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► whatever a site's extrusion into the world you know was built around flash [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► geez we can't do that that's right now we can do it that way [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► like the major league baseball app which has been one of the most successful at [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► Severn was there on I think day one on the App Store one of the reasons that [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► existed is because they didn't you know they were using flash and then later at [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► all of their audio and video stuff and they couldn't do that on the iPhone and [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► they really wanted to be on the iPhone so they you know rather than rebuild [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► their entire infrastructure on land and build rebuild the front end for [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► everybody they just took those you know they made sure they had some iPhone [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► compatible streams on their servers and roadmap and so we need any app market [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► got a lot richer because companies wrote apps because they couldn't just rely on [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► flash on the web and that was good for Apple yeah and and maybe MLB would have [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► written a penny either way anyway you don't know I mean they still don't have [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► a Mac App if your iMac and what do they do but or do they hits yeah they do I [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► wrote a thing about it a few months ago on six carries it is I think period last [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► year it's still posted it uses the eighth it uses the streams that that the [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► iPad app uses so it doesn't use flash it crashes half the time not while you're [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► playing it like the next time you launch it crashes in the new launches again [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► that works like every other time it crashes on launch super kinky my [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► understanding is that they that they d prioritized it so it's basically I think [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► there's some developers that MLB [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► who really wish that they were building this thing has their Mac users and they [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► haven't been given any time to do it but it is around you can find it and which [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► is I was going to say I'm in my in my mind I'm thinking of MacBooks which is [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► likely the most majority of people use and I think that's a good machine to [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► watch a ballgame as I sit here talking to you staring in front of it [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► 30 interesting I'm gets kind of would be a pretty good received about the [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► ballgame front of yeah I mean it's not bad to just would like to see that it's [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► better than a webpage right and and but you're right there is no they didn't [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► need to do that on the map but they did need to do it to get on iOS and so they [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► did and who knows how many other companies are in a similar position [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► where they had a thing that worked in flash and then the developers and [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► designers probably would have wanted to go native anyway because they they did [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► they know how much better native can be and they can go to management so we [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► really want to do a native app our choices a company is used that this is [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► in the hypothetical world where you could get flashed around on iOS we can [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► do this thing we could use a flash and adjusted to the screen size and it's [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► gonna be a really crummy experience for them or we can take the time to read [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► this native thing some companies are going to say let's do the cheaper is [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► your thing and stick to flash as opposed to the actual world where the argument [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► was we can either not run at all on these devices and the iPhone or we can [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► write in that [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► yeah and that's very different proposal to management we can do a crummy thing [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► in flash go native or will not be there at all right and I think this is one of [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► the things that motivates Apple to look on skeptically at at at these issues of [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► how do we use web technologies to have installable mobile apps I think they [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► look at that and and I'm of this opinion too I think that if there's a scenario [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► where the perception is you don't need to write an iOS app and you don't need [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► to right knee injury that you can read a web app and it's good enough there will [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► be a whole class of people who will just right [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► good enough thing and you know maybe their apps aren't great but their native [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► and it picks up a lot of the stuff that's that comes with being in a [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► timeout and the update of the next OS and pick some things up if you have a [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► whole swath of apps that are just kind of non platform crappy that that's bad I [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► i would argue that's bad for both platforms I'm not sure to bed for Google [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► and I'm not sure they care but I think about for Android users would certainly [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► be bad for iOS users and so I think that may be part of the thought process and [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► Apple it certainly what I thought immediately is is is if we make it a [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► really really easy to choose either one there are a lot of people who will just [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► use the easiest path and the easiest path is going to be bad for the user so [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► we're gonna make it we're gonna prior to his the user over the developer and make [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► them do the extra work to do we need a better experience and enforce them to my [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► friends exactly what i've you know what I said before that in my experience time [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► after time after time Apple first user second developers and I really think [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► that the heart of this you know argument is really complaining about not putting [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► developers first and you know and I i think in a lot of ways you could argue [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► that that was Microsoft way and that Microsoft put developers ahead of users [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► in terms of the way that Microsoft historically with Windows has bent over [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► backwards not to break API's and they keep legacy API's around as long as they [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► can and that yes we have this new thing but the whole thing will still work i [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► mean that you could still run da saps and opening a window a promise Microsoft [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► is that unlike Apple which historically has had apple and users and developers [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► as its constituents more than any other groups Microsoft it's it's Microsoft and [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► users and developers and like the buyers [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► the correct because there's so much business aspect to it and I feel like so [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► much of that compatibility stuff wasn't really about honoring developers it was [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► more like the developers were stuck and the end maybe the developer someone to [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► move forward but the businesses didn't [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► they wanted to just exactly the same and for most of Microsoft's modern history [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► that was the priority was how do we make a product that will continue to get us [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► the big contracts from the big businesses to buy a billion PCs and [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► install them everywhere and let's just do that and they didn't want change they [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► they just wanted to stay in the mud so they did I i wanna talk about chrome [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► next summer in my head but i wanna take a break here and thank our second [TS]

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01:05:36 ◼   ► manage I've been telling you about them for a while they used to be the best [TS]

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01:05:50 ◼   ► just for daring fireball listeners at the end of the read it [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► great code they come up with the am terrible at the San Jose asked me for [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► suggestions however like to have these in jokes as the code to be listened to [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► any other shows that her sponsors like ATP they always come up with these in [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► jokes I'm terrible at that they asked me for them and i cant do it but they come [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► up with some good ones and have a good win this week so keep listening and [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► taking the code now if you don't know about however is that thing you want to [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► secure a great domain name they have everything you need in less than five [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► minutes you can find the domain name you want to researching and help you find [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► you know the combination of words that are available with the top level domain [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► combination you know whatever you want . whatever you want really clean and [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► simple interface on the web site no other ad and I don't think get there on [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► other domain name registrars where there is a campaign this is your your the [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► service why am I looking at ads for other things on this thing it's so [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► different that however if you have registered domain names anyone you know [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► that a lot of their competitors may get a really unpleasant experience [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► every step of the way to change anything to reduce or something new there always [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► checking check marks check boxes that give you a little add-ons or upgrades or [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► stuff like that maybe you know shouldn't be on by default or or there for things [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► like domain name who is privacy to maintain privacy to keep your stuff [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► private they may make you pay extra for that that stuff is all but anything that [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► should be built in is built in there is no heavy handed up selling they don't [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► charge you for stuff that should just be there everything is just that should be [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► included is included with your domain and you get a smart control panel and [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► you get whois privacy and they have the most amazing thing in the entire [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► industry which is valet transfers this is the thing about Hubbard this is the [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► fact this is the human touch that makes it seem too good to be true but it is [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► true when you want to do you have read domains from other crummy registration [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► you want to just now you've seen a proper you see how good it is you see [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► that it's true you want to get them all there you should weigh everything is in [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► one count and over but transferring from one registrar to another can be a huge [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► hassle especially if you have a lot of demand and especially because some [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► registrars love to make it really really hard to move your domains way they do it [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► on purpose it's like trying to call the cable company and get them to cancel [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► your service because you're switching to FiOS or something like that however [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► offers Valley transfer service give them your credentials for your other [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► registrar and they will move them over for real that's just part of being a [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► hover user that's how much that the reason they can afford to this is [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► because they know that once you go to hover you're never gonna leave gonna be [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► a customer for years to come [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► so they want to help you with this they do this all the time they're they're [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► valleys who do this they know all the tricks of the other companies they know [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► all the hassles the hoops you have to jump through even update the DNS to make [TS]

01:08:50 ◼   ► sure you don't have any down time with your website or your e-mail or something [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► like that [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► so go check them out go to have a dot com and if you use this code is all one [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► word elephant Marco Eph A&T Marco at checkout you will save 10% off your [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► first purchase godaddy.com and use the code elephant I love that it's great I i [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► just all my patients are coming back for all the demands about speculatively for [TS]

01:09:28 ◼   ► launching six colors there and they're already it's like a reminder that I am [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► coming up on a year because all my speculative I bought almost everything [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► for one year just like I don't know if I'm going to use this or not they're all [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► starting to come back now playing time do you want to register this again I [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► always reregister I've yeah eventually I'm gonna bankrupt self that renewal [TS]

01:09:55 ◼   ► fees for domains that I've never used because I worry I feel like whatever the [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► reason was I wanted to use it I feel like maybe it'll come back to me and [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► then it'll be gone because somebody else it up and I think I had it had to do was [TS]

01:10:08 ◼   ► pay 15 bucks or ten bucks or whatever and just let it ride for another year [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► III domains for these novels that I wrote like five years ago that I keep [TS]

01:10:21 ◼   ► meaning to rewrite and I i I kinda don't wanna let him go because they're pretty [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► great domains if I ever finish the novels and sell them or something I [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► would want to have the domain so I just keep an eye on that could be Twitter's [TS]

01:10:37 ◼   ► business models they just started charging you for a subsequent how'd you [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► get one user name for free I would have to start paying 50 I'm looking at my [TS]

01:10:48 ◼   ► Twitter I've got like 10 accounts in my Twitter [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► how many are you so there are used yeah yeah pretty much I've got some that [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► aren't I got a couple good ones but it's all you know all these different sites [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► and podcasts and stuff for all of them [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► alright so chrome here's the other thing in this apart is the argument that I saw [TS]

01:11:08 ◼   ► and that to me was very clear and it's like to me and I hate to broadly [TS]

01:11:13 ◼   ► generalize but i i think it's true in this case is that there's a third of a [TS]

01:11:20 ◼   ► myopic but maybe it's a little bit more I don't know what the word is but it's [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► where you only can see your own perspective and you can't see anyone [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► else's perspective and to me a lot of these web developer not all web [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► developers but the web developers who jumped on this particular story line [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► this so far as they all seem to not be able to even see things from Apple's [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► angle right and that to me is what you what you wrote [TS]

01:11:45 ◼   ► I'll put your thing in the senate for sure it's really the first thing that [TS]

01:11:48 ◼   ► made me want to have you as my guest this week as I thought your thing was [TS]

01:11:51 ◼   ► short and sweet and I thought it really hit the point clearly that this is not [TS]

01:11:55 ◼   ► stop this not apples interest Apple is not going to be enthusiastic over [TS]

01:11:58 ◼   ► regardless of the consensus of web standards and that's exactly what people [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► jumped on you for but they don't they can't see that and the thing that kept [TS]

01:12:08 ◼   ► coming up in a couple people who made this point but the gist of it if you [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► read between the lines what they want them to do what they seem to want Apple [TS]

01:12:16 ◼   ► to do is just give up on WebKit and and let Roman blank which is Google's for of [TS]

01:12:23 ◼   ► WebKit takeover just like dislike chrome do what it wants on iOS or even you know [TS]

01:12:29 ◼   ► and they would even I'm sure they would even say just you know you don't have to [TS]

01:12:32 ◼   ► build it in or out of the box but just let the version of Chrome that you [TS]

01:12:36 ◼   ► download from App Store use blank and I think they don't go this far but I think [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► you know once that happened they would realize and let blink do what it wants [TS]

01:12:48 ◼   ► in terms of being able to install apps on the homepage on it [TS]

01:12:53 ◼   ► which is clearly outside the bounds of what any kind of app from the App Store [TS]

01:12:57 ◼   ► can do today because Google with playing and chrome is moving very quickly in [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► implementing prospective new web standards for things like local story [TS]

01:13:13 ◼   ► agent for background updates and stuff like that very very quickly and WebKit [TS]

01:13:20 ◼   ► is moving and always has it seems to be moved a little bit slowly not that they [TS]

01:13:25 ◼   ► don't support stuff but that they seemed kid is more of a conservative standards [TS]

01:13:30 ◼   ► based rendering engine then blank is and maybe then Mozilla's whatever they call [TS]

01:13:39 ◼   ► the rendering engine [TS]

01:13:43 ◼   ► they've got a new one just miss tilly as an organization and that reason you know [TS]

01:13:52 ◼   ► there's a reason why blank was forked from WebKit I mean Google used to be the [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► second biggest contributor to WebKit after Apple and the reason basic [TS]

01:14:02 ◼   ► basically the reason they forked and took it on her own and name their [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► version blink was that they Google and Apple had different priorities so if [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► Apple had one if Apple followed any of this and want you know was in line with [TS]

01:14:17 ◼   ► them all they would have had to do all along is just accept all of Google's or [TS]

01:14:22 ◼   ► not all just most or more a lot more of Google's you know proposed patches and [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► additions to WebKit and they would have had exactly what these people seem to [TS]

01:14:31 ◼   ► think they want it to be like a reason why it had to be a fork and the whole [TS]

01:14:37 ◼   ► point it looks like an end-around to me this is the this is the well if you [TS]

01:14:42 ◼   ► don't if you don't want to do this just put chrome on there and let and then [TS]

01:14:45 ◼   ► we'll have you know it's it's busy make y tu bhi Android make it like enteritis [TS]

01:14:49 ◼   ► then we then we can have what we want which is problematic for a couple was [TS]

01:14:53 ◼   ► first off talk about giving one vendor the keys to the web you do want to [TS]

01:14:59 ◼   ► vendors pushing and pulling in mobile you want them pushing and pulling each [TS]

01:15:02 ◼   ► other you don't [TS]

01:15:03 ◼   ► well unless you really are in the bag for one of them or the other of them and [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► I'm sure we've been accused of being the bag for Apple and we've you know [TS]

01:15:11 ◼   ► essentially accused of being in the bag for Google but if you what you really [TS]

01:15:16 ◼   ► want is for the standards process to be a portion a pole and have a DS stuff [TS]

01:15:21 ◼   ► that neither Apple or Google is entirely happy with but they can live with and [TS]

01:15:26 ◼   ► that is like a middle a middle ground and that's the stuff that they're both [TS]

01:15:29 ◼   ► willing to to do so that that makes sense as opposed to saying well why [TS]

01:15:34 ◼   ► don't you just give you know let it be [TS]

01:15:36 ◼   ► chrome on on iOS know we can run with it plus let's let's also say that's a [TS]

01:15:42 ◼   ► totally unrealistic thought that you would have a scenario where you go to [TS]

01:15:48 ◼   ► your bank and the bank says what we've got a nap but it's a web app so what [TS]

01:15:52 ◼   ► here's what you need to do if you're on an iPhone you need to go to the AppStore [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► and download chrome and install it and then come back here and then we'll let [TS]

01:16:00 ◼   ► you top something and install it I know that will never happen that's just never [TS]

01:16:05 ◼   ► gonna happen it's unrealistic and I think it shows how a lot of the people [TS]

01:16:10 ◼   ► who are having these conversations are not thinking like a regular user their [TS]

01:16:14 ◼   ► thinking like a web developer a developer a very technical person [TS]

01:16:17 ◼   ► because you know just making chrome available for iOS would be great for [TS]

01:16:21 ◼   ► power users like Mike Hurley about this cuz he uses chrome like if you could use [TS]

01:16:26 ◼   ► the crown rendering engine as a power users like a ok that would be great but [TS]

01:16:30 ◼   ► you cannot ever count on that being a [TS]

01:16:33 ◼   ► that's never gonna take over people are on iOS are not going to rush to adopt [TS]

01:16:40 ◼   ► chrome it's just not going to happen it would always be a minority browser [TS]

01:16:44 ◼   ► that's actually why I kind of okay not necessarily with embedding like at [TS]

01:16:48 ◼   ► mobile apps inside but I'd be ok if Apple said you know yeah ok you can run [TS]

01:16:52 ◼   ► within the Chrome App itself you can run your went rendering engine will let you [TS]

01:16:55 ◼   ► do that if they did that I don't think chrome would ever be more than a tiny [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► fraction of the web pages viewed 90 s ever because most people never gonna [TS]

01:17:06 ◼   ► download I we should point out cause I know from my email that there are a lot [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► of people out there who are rightfully [TS]

01:17:14 ◼   ► confused about this issue because a lot of the email I got from readers in [TS]

01:17:20 ◼   ► support of apple and against this so far as the new I he wrote to say how can [TS]

01:17:25 ◼   ► they say this here's the link to Chrome App Store which is a reasonable mistake [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► to make because chrome on the absurd does exist it is popular with the fair [TS]

01:17:34 ◼   ► number but I think you're right [TS]

01:17:36 ◼   ► minority you know decided minority of iOS users but the rules of the App Store [TS]

01:17:42 ◼   ► are if you want to render HTML and anyway you have to use the API's for [TS]

01:17:48 ◼   ► WebKit and there's a bunch of them now and I we don't have to get into the [TS]

01:17:51 ◼   ► differences between the different ways that you can embed a WebKit you but [TS]

01:17:56 ◼   ► basically every browser in the App Store and there's a bunch i cab there's like a [TS]

01:18:01 ◼   ► bee just for iOS I can probably is probably another one of those categories [TS]

01:18:05 ◼   ► where if I I haven't looked for a while but this probably like 200 apps in the [TS]

01:18:09 ◼   ► App Store that our web browsers Chrome obviously would be the one that's most [TS]

01:18:13 ◼   ► used in most famous but it's using the iOS system version of webcam because it [TS]

01:18:19 ◼   ► and that's the rules it has to be and so what chrome does is it does all the [TS]

01:18:24 ◼   ► other things that are browser does it lets you login with your Google [TS]

01:18:26 ◼   ► credentials and have your tabs you know singing across your bookmarks my wife [TS]

01:18:32 ◼   ► uses chrome and then on the desktop and so she's got chrome on her iPad because [TS]

01:18:39 ◼   ► it's gotta bookmark send it but it's still using WebKit it's just using you [TS]

01:18:43 ◼   ► know wrapped around Google's Google Sync stuff and and apps you know there are [TS]

01:18:49 ◼   ► apps that 44 you know I think by definition tend to be geared towards [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► nerdier users who will do things like give you an option I think [TS]

01:18:59 ◼   ► sweet but has the option where you could say when I open a link in a browser can [TS]

01:19:03 ◼   ► you know you want it to be Safari or Chrome if you if you have crimes salt so [TS]

01:19:07 ◼   ► that you can open stuff in chromosome openings the story is an iOS 9 all that [TS]

01:19:12 ◼   ► stuff's going to go away because everybody's going to use the Safari view [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► control and that's just gonna be Safari inside the app completely and you know i [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► i just i this is not the direction Apple is going with this stuff but it is it [TS]

01:19:28 ◼   ► can be confusing to talk about the differences between a rendering engine [TS]

01:19:32 ◼   ► and the browser but basically it's you know what you know it's the chrome is [TS]

01:19:38 ◼   ► the browser what goes around the rectangle where the HTML is rendered is [TS]

01:19:42 ◼   ► the browser and that rectangle where the content is you know you know that the [TS]

01:19:48 ◼   ► part that gray during fireball that's the rendering engine and this survey get [TS]

01:19:57 ◼   ► a good example that this this new Safari ViewController so I could for example [TS]

01:20:01 ◼   ► every everybody out there uses some kind of everybody listen to me right now is [TS]

01:20:05 ◼   ► using some kind of Twitter client on your iPhone whether it's the Twitter app [TS]

01:20:09 ◼   ► or weed pot or Twitterrific they are having in browser [TS]

01:20:16 ◼   ► things that you toppling you don't get switched to another apt to stay right [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► there and it renders it right there but if you ever noticed when you do that you [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► don't get your bookmarks it's not connected to your tabs when you go to [TS]

01:20:27 ◼   ► support the next time whatever that pages if you left it open as an open [TS]

01:20:31 ◼   ► because it's the rendering engine is in the Twitter and the browser is a [TS]

01:20:35 ◼   ► separate app with its own tabs things so with this new thing and I was nine [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► that's a part of you controller apps will be able to open in the same way [TS]

01:20:44 ◼   ► it's a lot more like male has always been an iOS like when you send email in [TS]

01:20:49 ◼   ► app it's using your actual email account that you can mail that's what the Safari [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► view controllers going to do its gonna be a real Safari view right and the app [TS]

01:20:58 ◼   ► you'll be able to see all your regular Safari bookmarks and bookmarklets and [TS]

01:21:03 ◼   ► Petra and then you go back to Safari Safari will be aware of that tab that [TS]

01:21:10 ◼   ► open so you can see that this is one of the reasons why Apple you know maybe [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► with say this I know some people who feel strongly you know we should be able [TS]

01:21:22 ◼   ► to install whatever they want war roll their eyes on mine even saying I agree [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► with it but this is a reason why some people at a ball clearly have resisted [TS]

01:21:32 ◼   ► until now allowing users to set a system wide third-party default web browser [TS]

01:21:37 ◼   ► because when they come up with features like this to users in temple's mind are [TS]

01:21:42 ◼   ► better off having been using Safari all along because now here's this amazing [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► new feature and you get to use it because you've been a safari is alright [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► and Google is never going to be able to provide that kind of feature so so then [TS]

01:21:57 ◼   ► you're gonna have even if you like let's say tweet by or or Twitter epic embeds [TS]

01:22:04 ◼   ► this new Safari view controller thing and also give you the option to go open [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► in chrome with those experiencing totally different because we want to [TS]

01:22:13 ◼   ► open a separate browser you know separate apps which you out of the app [TS]

01:22:17 ◼   ► you're in and the other one is going to keep you in the app that you're in but [TS]

01:22:21 ◼   ► later this safari window on top and that's weird to now you've got this like [TS]

01:22:25 ◼   ► opening another a person's not which is just not an end it cuts both ways I mean [TS]

01:22:31 ◼   ► I use a third-party email client and every now and then I tap on something [TS]

01:22:36 ◼   ► somewhere in Apple wants me to use mail and I think I well you know you know [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► what I end up doing is I set up all my accounts and mail anyway until it not to [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► check the mail and that way at least I can send mail from there that's usually [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► what is trying to do but you know that's just the brakes because the upside is [TS]

01:22:53 ◼   ► you get all this type super tight integration between these things and you [TS]

01:22:57 ◼   ► know you can't make it a lot harder to open it up to third parties but it makes [TS]

01:23:01 ◼   ► it a better user experience assuming the users are using the built-in apps which [TS]

01:23:05 ◼   ► almost every user is that's the other thing we lose sight of I think there [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► were a lot of geeks who were shocked at the statistic that more than half of [TS]

01:23:14 ◼   ► of iPhone users use the Notes app every day regularly meet regularly like well [TS]

01:23:19 ◼   ► that's appalling there are so many better notes out than that yes but it's [TS]

01:23:23 ◼   ► on the device sits there and so people use it and people use mail and people [TS]

01:23:28 ◼   ► use Safari that's just gonna go outside when I wasn't opposed his podcast couple [TS]

01:23:32 ◼   ► weeks ago and he was incredulous that I use Apple maps their statistics that [TS]

01:23:39 ◼   ► i've seen show that over 70% of iOS users use Apple maps and map says baby [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► is clearly the may be the one where the be the most third party users especially [TS]

01:23:50 ◼   ► around the world where Apple maps is nowhere near as consistent as Google [TS]

01:23:54 ◼   ► Maps says that's one where you know you could really make the argument where I [TS]

01:23:58 ◼   ► would make the argument that for me and my use its as good as Google Maps for [TS]

01:24:02 ◼   ► for my use almost every time you know the only time the only thing I've used [TS]

01:24:07 ◼   ► in the last two years is transit in New York City and hopefully you know once I [TS]

01:24:13 ◼   ► switch styles and I won't even need to do that anymore but I totally understand [TS]

01:24:18 ◼   ► every time I say this email from somebody in another country and they [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► show me like what their neighborhood looks like in the two and Google Maps [TS]

01:24:24 ◼   ► Google Maps and Apple maps you know like you know the name of the town so I [TS]

01:24:31 ◼   ► understand obviously their own but to back that it you know somewhere around [TS]

01:24:35 ◼   ► seventy percent and it's a decided advantage it just shows how powerful [TS]

01:24:38 ◼   ► being built in app and let alone now you know how how comfortable Safari and [TS]

01:24:44 ◼   ► Chrome are or may land and spark or what's the third party and I'm using I'm [TS]

01:24:50 ◼   ► using mailbox on my iPad and I'm using a red mark on my iPhone right now [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► yeah that's a good man holy cow that's got me thinking about switching yeah [TS]

01:25:00 ◼   ► really does I mean I'm gonna go back to mail for I was nine just to see you know [TS]

01:25:04 ◼   ► how it's changed but that's a it's a really good nap this is like that was [TS]

01:25:10 ◼   ► that one of the subtext of the latest Apple event to when they rolled out [TS]

01:25:15 ◼   ► music that was a subtext was and he did you hear about how all our default apps [TS]

01:25:21 ◼   ► are really great and use even even when they're tough competition these get used [TS]

01:25:25 ◼   ► more than everything else [TS]

01:25:26 ◼   ► well guess what streaming service is built into a built-in app now [TS]

01:25:30 ◼   ► yeah that was definitely part of them just like this building that's powerful [TS]

01:25:38 ◼   ► built-in apps don't mean Apple music's gonna gonna take over the world or [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► anything but it is awfully powerful that its integrated and and it's on every [TS]

01:25:46 ◼   ► device that's and and I read a piece today about podcasts and about how there [TS]

01:25:51 ◼   ► was some survey that said that not only because there's a built-in podcast at [TS]

01:25:55 ◼   ► nunnally are most podcast listen to on iOS devices and not Android but that [TS]

01:25:59 ◼   ► most podcasts on iowa's or listened to through the built-in podcast app because [TS]

01:26:05 ◼   ► again its built-in hard to compete with some like Marco doesn't have a good [TS]

01:26:09 ◼   ► business on with overcast but you know that's among people who think to look [TS]

01:26:15 ◼   ► for something more in the App Store and find it and then buy it [TS]

01:26:19 ◼   ► vs like a podcast there's a all search for podcast there it is that's where all [TS]

01:26:23 ◼   ► the podcasts are and it's just that's been the platform owner after his [TS]

01:26:27 ◼   ► vibrant and that's great but Apple knows that some stuff needs to be in the [TS]

01:26:34 ◼   ► platform at least a basic version of it has to be in the platform because the [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► platform needs to be rich like that and that's why they do that's why they [TS]

01:26:44 ◼   ► improve notes and that's why maps associate cessful this just in from from [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► the office there is a chance I cannot check it out but I'm not going to well [TS]

01:27:01 ◼   ► there's a chance that I bought the code or [TS]

01:27:07 ◼   ► carries could be there it's just talk show without the so anybody out there is [TS]

01:27:13 ◼   ► buying some shaving stuff you tried the code we know that we may be headed this [TS]

01:27:17 ◼   ► maybe not maybe this will be a little surprised you just ate it all in many [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► ways if you try the code the talk show and you don't get any money off your [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► order try the code talk show without the end and one of those too I guarantee you [TS]

01:27:33 ◼   ► save some bucks now it's like a game now let's take a quick trip and while I'm [TS]

01:27:39 ◼   ► talking about sponsors allow me to take a moment here and thank our next one and [TS]

01:27:43 ◼   ► it's another old time friend of the show good people [TS]

01:27:46 ◼   ► tractor really sad that all of our photos from recent years so many of them [TS]

01:27:54 ◼   ► are trapped only on digital devices or maybe there are Instagram and you really [TS]

01:28:02 ◼   ► only look at them on these devices temporarily fracture is a modern way to [TS]

01:28:09 ◼   ► break your photos out of the digital world the best ones the ones you really [TS]

01:28:12 ◼   ► want to save the ones you really want to see all the time and get them printed on [TS]

01:28:17 ◼   ► a piece of analog media that you can hang on your wall you can pop up on your [TS]

01:28:21 ◼   ► desk [TS]

01:28:22 ◼   ► here's what they do fracture they print your photos directly on pure class real [TS]

01:28:27 ◼   ► class comes with a foam back that's ready to mount right out of the box [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► little one that comes with everything you need to hang on a wall comes with [TS]

01:28:34 ◼   ► screw and stuff like that the bigger ones that you can prop up have the [TS]

01:28:38 ◼   ► casing is as interesting as the printing technology that but it isn't it just [TS]

01:28:44 ◼   ► takes your photos which let's face it our all did you know you're already [TS]

01:28:50 ◼   ► ahead of the game in terms of having print because you have to have to look [TS]

01:28:54 ◼   ► at it [TS]

01:28:55 ◼   ► I don't know there's something about a photo that is printed on a piece of [TS]

01:29:02 ◼   ► analog medium that has to mean more emotional and I'll give you an example [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► here's my wife Amy at the the live talk show the couple weeks ago when I had [TS]

01:29:12 ◼   ► shoulder to shoulder technology executive yeah so that was especially [TS]

01:29:23 ◼   ► and she's was backstage and she's like my phone through the curtain and took an [TS]

01:29:29 ◼   ► amazing photo truly truly amazing photo meeting alongside Phil sort of we were [TS]

01:29:36 ◼   ► front let in reality but from her perspective backstage we were back lit [TS]

01:29:40 ◼   ► by these lights in front of us which almost have like the way that they [TS]

01:29:46 ◼   ► showed up on a picture almost like a science fiction filled it almost looked [TS]

01:29:48 ◼   ► like we were sitting in front of like a screening of the science fiction two [TS]

01:29:53 ◼   ► stars and promised with these two spot light fantastic picture she posted it [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► Instagram [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► Instagram [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► and I thought it was great at all it was great and I you know give it a little [TS]

01:30:04 ◼   ► hard on Instagram and there goes my friends at fracture as this is I was [TS]

01:30:10 ◼   ► away on vacation is true story got back last night one of the things that we we [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► we had the mail helped today and it actually worked which is crazy I know [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► about people in other countries but it may be in other cities but in [TS]

01:30:24 ◼   ► philadelphia it often doesn't work when you tell them we got a whole pile of [TS]

01:30:28 ◼   ► mail today including a bunch of packages and one of them was from Procter and it [TS]

01:30:32 ◼   ► was for me and I thought that's weird I don't remember I did not order anything [TS]

01:30:35 ◼   ► from pressure recently and when you do it from practice stuff comes it will [TS]

01:30:38 ◼   ► open it up and here it was little square picture they took out of Amy's Instagram [TS]

01:30:42 ◼   ► feed that picture printed on glass for me and it just as I didn't know what it [TS]

01:30:50 ◼   ► was I opened it up and I saw it and I was just like WoW and it's just like a [TS]

01:30:56 ◼   ► little jolt to my heart and I thought wow that's great so anyway my thanks to [TS]

01:30:59 ◼   ► instruct to fracture and for the gift blood to all of you do that with your [TS]

01:31:06 ◼   ► favorite pictures go through your Instagram and pick a couple of your [TS]

01:31:09 ◼   ► favorites and send them to fracture and get them printed out and you really are [TS]

01:31:14 ◼   ► going to appreciate it looks so great as if they can get the code right because [TS]

01:31:19 ◼   ► if you do get it right you gonna get 15% off your first fracture order and the [TS]

01:31:25 ◼   ► code for my show is I don't have it here and drum roll call general 2222 how many [TS]

01:31:33 ◼   ► guests it's during fireball and we'll see if that's right but my thanks go to [TS]

01:31:39 ◼   ► fracture me.com get something printed out do it and and use their coding or [TS]

01:31:44 ◼   ► save some money and you have some beautiful thank all six of them either [TS]

01:31:49 ◼   ► you know you can use use this use the I know that this is the code that these [TS]

01:31:52 ◼   ► guys they sponsored that live show the code that they used for that one was you [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► know it's funny I have a rare for me but I can't say it's because i dont have the [TS]

01:32:05 ◼   ► Safari status bar showing its WWDC use that code [TS]

01:32:14 ◼   ► ABDC and then they'll think you're coming from the Phil Schiller episode so [TS]

01:32:18 ◼   ► either way you'll get the money so the other thing that we've missed while I [TS]

01:32:27 ◼   ► was away on vacation was this whole thing this sort of blew up and I did [TS]

01:32:32 ◼   ► write about this well you know you know you never really I'm discovering that it [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► is it's a curious how that's going for you know you're in it probably was [TS]

01:32:45 ◼   ► different when you were at a publication that real staff that could keep [TS]

01:32:48 ◼   ► everything you can you take care of it for me and then you go on vacation [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► everybody helped each other out but when you know it's I do have them or in [TS]

01:32:55 ◼   ► writing for me a couple of days a week for six colors I was able to say sorta [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► like dan this is the day that were driving in the car for eight hours can [TS]

01:33:02 ◼   ► you read on that day also it's shifting gears from my brain works 'as thinking [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► of like macworld we post ten stories a day and I actually look to you and jim [TS]

01:33:12 ◼   ► and Federico and I you know there's no there's no rules for this and I want to [TS]

01:33:17 ◼   ► do right by my sponsors and not like a band in the site for a week but at the [TS]

01:33:20 ◼   ► same time I have to train myself out of the idea that if i dont have like five [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► new items a day or even you know that if a day goes by and I all I have is a [TS]

01:33:29 ◼   ► linker to its fine and I have to learn that lesson that it's not you know I'm [TS]

01:33:34 ◼   ► not running a comprehensive news site that is gonna have to feed the beast [TS]

01:33:38 ◼   ► every day and I i cant i just i cant im one person the sponsorship model to me [TS]

01:33:45 ◼   ► is it works both ways where if you're writing more now having a busy day [TS]

01:33:48 ◼   ► you're getting a bunch of things and more you get a lot more pages per day [TS]

01:33:51 ◼   ► and people might see the the sponsor link in the sidebar if you have it there [TS]

01:33:55 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

01:33:56 ◼   ► but on the other hand with the idea that you post like a little thank you to the [TS]

01:34:00 ◼   ► sponsor that that I did then and the times when you're slower their leases [TS]

01:34:05 ◼   ► the way I see it the times when I'm slower and I'm not posting as much that [TS]

01:34:10 ◼   ► post thanking the sponsor state is closer to the top stronger and it you [TS]

01:34:16 ◼   ► know and I don't know which one is better I don't know if it's better to be [TS]

01:34:19 ◼   ► the sponsor on a busy week a daring fireball or slower we could do fireball [TS]

01:34:23 ◼   ► but I think there's a very simple argument to be made that there are pros [TS]

01:34:27 ◼   ► and cons to both of them you know one of them berries your thing sooner and the [TS]

01:34:31 ◼   ► other one you have more pages being loaded during the week so I've never [TS]

01:34:36 ◼   ► once got a complaint about that every once in a while sometimes August is a [TS]

01:34:39 ◼   ► little slower to sell this year at last year August did not sell for me it was [TS]

01:34:45 ◼   ► like I think like twice during the month of August I had to post like a next week [TS]

01:34:50 ◼   ► is still available to get in touch baba's sort of you know really sort of [TS]

01:34:54 ◼   ► down to the last day this year August sold out for me already [TS]

01:34:59 ◼   ► July so I don't know but did you know so August is a weird month therefore [TS]

01:35:04 ◼   ► advertisers infamously in all forms of media TV print I mean it's always slow [TS]

01:35:08 ◼   ► but other than the month of August I've never had complained about that yeah [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► it's me sometimes people will say to me like he is Chris house christmas was [TS]

01:35:17 ◼   ► thinking about buying turner say I see that Christmas is open and my answer has [TS]

01:35:22 ◼   ► always been and I've never wanted to complain about it it is slower because [TS]

01:35:25 ◼   ► people are aware cannot get your not getting those pages of bored at work or [TS]

01:35:30 ◼   ► have just sat down and i just want to see what's going on but on the other [TS]

01:35:34 ◼   ► hand I think that what happens a lot of people are family events and they go to [TS]

01:35:40 ◼   ► their iPhones so it's it's actually not that slow week yeah I agree agree it's [TS]

01:35:45 ◼   ► yeah I just kind of feel like I'm still trying to get into the rhythm of life [TS]

01:35:48 ◼   ► what's the heartbeat of the site I don't want the site to seem like a two-banded [TS]

01:35:51 ◼   ► rape so I want to keep up a little bit of a rhythm there also [TS]

01:35:55 ◼   ► yeah I mean I just want to send a message that the site is here in the [TS]

01:35:59 ◼   ► killing of stuff on it and I'm still learning I'm still learning but it is it [TS]

01:36:02 ◼   ► is definitely a change [TS]

01:36:04 ◼   ► age and it's not like I totally ignored work when I went on vacation you know I [TS]

01:36:07 ◼   ► would be responsible and I will check in and I would occasionally see the news [TS]

01:36:11 ◼   ► was breaking and write something I mean I wrote actually won an award for a [TS]

01:36:16 ◼   ► thing I wrote my in-laws dining room table on an iPad and actually won the [TS]

01:36:22 ◼   ► war damn like that is I will always look at that I've got the little plaque here [TS]

01:36:25 ◼   ► somewhere and and was like for online commentary some journalism group and I i [TS]

01:36:31 ◼   ► look at it and I think well i pad at the dining room table in Irvine but but it's [TS]

01:36:37 ◼   ► different here cuz you know something something happens like that no law [TS]

01:36:42 ◼   ► something I'm like well I can't pass this to somebody if I wanna say [TS]

01:36:47 ◼   ► something about it I need to say something about it was just a little bit [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► different not having that not having that net anymore but I'm getting I'm [TS]

01:36:53 ◼   ► getting there I'm getting used to it I know that it was August I don't know the [TS]

01:36:59 ◼   ► exact date but I was actually at the Jersey Shore with my folks in Miami and [TS]

01:37:04 ◼   ► Jonas heading out to dinner so it probably around five or six o'clock in [TS]

01:37:14 ◼   ► the evening when the news broke that steve Jobs was stepping down as CEO and [TS]

01:37:22 ◼   ► somebody texted me and was like you know was one of those things that everybody a [TS]

01:37:29 ◼   ► lot of people when they first get there was a sort of thing you texted other [TS]

01:37:32 ◼   ► people about right you heard that you think somebody and you say I got a text [TS]

01:37:36 ◼   ► and about a lot of people who get fat you know saw the news the same way we're [TS]

01:37:39 ◼   ► like there's got to be a mistake this you know and then your second time is [TS]

01:37:43 ◼   ► actually makes a lot of sense you know kind of dreading it but like I said you [TS]

01:37:49 ◼   ► know told my family you know my parents a little bit more or less understand [TS]

01:37:58 ◼   ► what it is but they understand it well enough that my you know when I said that [TS]

01:38:04 ◼   ► day everybody everybody nobody game is single moment of grief of ok we [TS]

01:38:08 ◼   ► understand you're not coming to dinner had to drop everything and think about [TS]

01:38:12 ◼   ► what I wanted to do it right you know that's one of the few times I can think [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► of braided but yes you are on call and it makes me worry it does make me wear [TS]

01:38:21 ◼   ► one thing I don't do it and I if I do I have tremendous anxiety even if it's [TS]

01:38:27 ◼   ► just for a couple of hours I do not like fine without wifi as I do kind of feel [TS]

01:38:32 ◼   ► like I need to be online all the time just in case something like that I gotta [TS]

01:38:35 ◼   ► say I'm not as worried about it as I was and this is only because for years every [TS]

01:38:42 ◼   ► single thing I did was in the frame of what is Steve Jobs dies like even when [TS]

01:38:48 ◼   ► he wasn't that sick and it was just like what is Steve Jobs dies in plane crash [TS]

01:38:51 ◼   ► or or something like that I I had that like what could be so huge [TS]

01:38:57 ◼   ► what is the huge thing and after he died I realize why would someone is Steve [TS]

01:39:04 ◼   ► Jobs died oh ok and I just for whatever reason that was like I always felt like [TS]

01:39:10 ◼   ► that was the show the number one story that would that they were never be where [TS]

01:39:15 ◼   ► you have to set up all the alarms and I mean it would still be true if it's [TS]

01:39:19 ◼   ► something you know heaven forbid happened to major Apple executive [TS]

01:39:24 ◼   ► disasters that could happen but whatever it was like I think I have a kind of a [TS]

01:39:28 ◼   ► complex about that [TS]

01:39:30 ◼   ► about Steve Jobs and with him gone that little neurotic part of my brain got [TS]

01:39:37 ◼   ► like filed away [TS]

01:39:38 ◼   ► disconnected and so it's not quite as bad now but you're right I mean this is [TS]

01:39:41 ◼   ► that this is part of this business it again less true now that i feel like i [TS]

01:39:45 ◼   ► dont im not in the breaking news business I may be in the breaking in [TS]

01:39:49 ◼   ► else's business plan on breaking news business we're at Macworld like [TS]

01:39:53 ◼   ► literally if something even remotely big broke I would just be in the CMS making [TS]

01:39:59 ◼   ► a new article saying headline write a paragraph you know more and more [TS]

01:40:04 ◼   ► information to come [TS]

01:40:05 ◼   ► post like just to get out there cuz we were really in that game and I'm not in [TS]

01:40:11 ◼   ► that game so much now but it's true you also you know I do think this is [TS]

01:40:15 ◼   ► breaking analysis in a way you know you don't want to be left with not saying [TS]

01:40:19 ◼   ► anything about something huge that happens that matters the people who read [TS]

01:40:23 ◼   ► your site on my site you need to you need to be engaged and and I at least [TS]

01:40:28 ◼   ► have damn to help out on on some counts but you know verifiable as you so it [TS]

01:40:34 ◼   ► needs to be you or its nobody you know you gotta get ya it's right for a while [TS]

01:40:44 ◼   ► if I don't regret it but I wonder if I ever painted myself in a corner where [TS]

01:40:49 ◼   ► it's like you know like Trump with this haircut like everybody's giving him [TS]

01:40:54 ◼   ► grief about it but he's like stuck with it right you can't really give in you [TS]

01:41:01 ◼   ► know it's like I feel like every single word ever written during fireball was by [TS]

01:41:05 ◼   ► me you know it's a nice streak but in return you know turns into a Cal Ripken [TS]

01:41:11 ◼   ► thing at some point maybe I should take a month off and not do anything but you [TS]

01:41:15 ◼   ► know I really don't want to say to go dark for a right but then I don't want [TS]

01:41:19 ◼   ► to guest post by David Letterman no guest house right but I but I even said [TS]

01:41:25 ◼   ► to you and I did when I did your show to talk about Letterman that I actually [TS]

01:41:30 ◼   ► feel like that hurt him in the long run where I feel like there is a stretch a [TS]

01:41:36 ◼   ► couple of years ago where it felt like maybe he was a little burned out it felt [TS]

01:41:40 ◼   ► like he would you know and I don't think that ever happened to Carson because [TS]

01:41:44 ◼   ► Carson as the years went on to cough up more and more time and one of the ways [TS]

01:41:48 ◼   ► he just you know was able to take off time [TS]

01:41:50 ◼   ► was that is that it is showing reruns they had guest house yeah he was working [TS]

01:41:53 ◼   ► three days a week and 0 for 4 30 or 40 [TS]

01:41:57 ◼   ► a deal and well so only doing this for 10 months now I mean I had I look at you [TS]

01:42:05 ◼   ► if you said you did sort of set this model but some of the people who [TS]

01:42:09 ◼   ► followed you like Jim I like federico so the loop and and Mac stories they they [TS]

01:42:17 ◼   ► changed the equation a little bit and you know jim has like dat mark and he [TS]

01:42:24 ◼   ► said john king and he appeared going for a while like supplementing with Jim does [TS]

01:42:28 ◼   ► and I think they've marked post more stuff to the loop then gym does at this [TS]

01:42:32 ◼   ► point and then federico although he is the primary author of of Mac stories [TS]

01:42:37 ◼   ► he's got a budget like I said Brett Terpstra there the other day and he's [TS]

01:42:42 ◼   ► got some people who contribute and that I felt like that was enough that that [TS]

01:42:46 ◼   ► sort of freaked me out like an end with so many people I used to work with [TS]

01:42:51 ◼   ► losing their jobs simultaneously I said to dan you know in lieu of him getting a [TS]

01:42:57 ◼   ► full time job somewhere would you like to to write some stuff with me and in [TS]

01:43:02 ◼   ► the first days after macworld have big layoffs like Dan Frakes wrote a thing [TS]

01:43:05 ◼   ► and you know a few people wrote things for six colors but with Dan it was a [TS]

01:43:10 ◼   ► good opportunity because he wanted to keep his hand in in in the game he [TS]

01:43:13 ◼   ► didn't want to banish from writing about Apple cuz that's his profession but he [TS]

01:43:18 ◼   ► wasn't working somewhere full time so you know i think is beneficial for him [TS]

01:43:23 ◼   ► is really beneficial for me but I would I have done that if if I hadn't seen [TS]

01:43:28 ◼   ► some other people who who said no it's not just me it's sort of me and some of [TS]

01:43:32 ◼   ► my friends were doing this and I might not of and it's it's just a different [TS]

01:43:37 ◼   ► feel it's just different I can't I could see it wasn't one of the key or was it [TS]

01:43:44 ◼   ► any bail I remember somebody who is like a big lead blogger did this at one point [TS]

01:43:48 ◼   ► where they basically said I'm handing the [TS]

01:43:50 ◼   ► the rain is to cut he's done that for years he has but when he does it is he [TS]

01:43:56 ◼   ► gives it away for the whole week exactly you know I actually I believe the first [TS]

01:44:00 ◼   ► person whoever did it [TS]

01:44:01 ◼   ► it for him I think this is a little bit of inside the world of personal personal [TS]

01:44:07 ◼   ► / professional blogging whatever you call like this thing that we do trivia [TS]

01:44:12 ◼   ► is I think his first guest post her was Adam Lisa core was the first time I'd [TS]

01:44:20 ◼   ► never even heard of him before and we can look as if it wasn't the first he [TS]

01:44:26 ◼   ► was one of the first and it was before Twitter and if so is before anybody [TS]

01:44:30 ◼   ► who's heard of a timely support by Twitter had heard of them and it was [TS]

01:44:33 ◼   ► certainly before anybody has heard of animals to go before sandwiches video [TS]

01:44:37 ◼   ► and I went back and read it and it was of course fantastic it was like holy [TS]

01:44:43 ◼   ► hell this guy's amazing but he's done it for years and he picks you know very it [TS]

01:44:48 ◼   ► he he picks people though a lot of times in a good but he he and his kisses part [TS]

01:44:53 ◼   ► of Jason Kottke being Jason Clark in being very talented he picks people who [TS]

01:44:57 ◼   ► bring like a very different voice to the site like people who are not cut key [TS]

01:45:01 ◼   ► like whatever that means to be cut you like that sort of hard to define yeah I [TS]

01:45:07 ◼   ► forget all the guy he's had a bunch of posters over the years when I was in [TS]

01:45:10 ◼   ► Arizona visiting my mom we're watching a baseball game and a sandwich video came [TS]

01:45:16 ◼   ► on and I said hey I know that guy and how how and I told they're like oh well [TS]

01:45:22 ◼   ► it's just that and now she sends me emails saying hey I thought I saw that [TS]

01:45:28 ◼   ► friend of yours again on a different ad ok I don't need updates about the [TS]

01:45:33 ◼   ► sandwich video empire but it's cute it's we were at a bar the first time that we [TS]

01:45:41 ◼   ► some damage on real TV barred ESPN was on the TV on the bar for real moment [TS]

01:45:47 ◼   ► when you see him on real TV instead of the internet we will be posting things [TS]

01:45:50 ◼   ► on the internet what everybody don't TV right we could get the words out of my [TS]

01:45:54 ◼   ► mouth I forget which one of the two of us noticed first but we both were just [TS]

01:45:58 ◼   ► like not even saying anything just like likeforlike we know that I we know [TS]

01:46:04 ◼   ► everybody look like to mad people but we were like you're traveling you see ads [TS]

01:46:09 ◼   ► you don't see other places and this is what this was is whatever he was selling [TS]

01:46:12 ◼   ► in this week's was not a product that is available in my area and so I was just [TS]

01:46:18 ◼   ► like I've never seen this before but there is his cell with what came to mind [TS]

01:46:22 ◼   ► to me was was the scene in goodfellas when the crew finds out that tommy got [TS]

01:46:28 ◼   ► made because it's like they're never gonna get made just right he said he's [TS]

01:46:37 ◼   ► gonna could get me and they're in tight with them so this is the best there ever [TS]

01:46:41 ◼   ► gonna do is have a maid guy and we're never going to be on TV I don't want to [TS]

01:46:45 ◼   ► be on TV commercials no way I mean that's not going to happen so the [TS]

01:46:50 ◼   ► closest were gonna get to being on TV is having Sandwich be on TV so we feel like [TS]

01:46:55 ◼   ► Cal is amazing [TS]

01:46:57 ◼   ► exactly exactly and so hopefully it's the same thing is when people when when [TS]

01:47:02 ◼   ► your relatives don't understand what you do read on the internet this is always [TS]

01:47:06 ◼   ► the case I said this right after I think when we talked about about macworld and [TS]

01:47:11 ◼   ► all that at the end of last year that one of the things that I took great [TS]

01:47:15 ◼   ► pride in who was so many people we published in the magazine and they could [TS]

01:47:19 ◼   ► like take a piece of paper [TS]

01:47:21 ◼   ► of a magazine with their picture in their name on it and say look mom book [TS]

01:47:25 ◼   ► Grampa I wrote a thing in a magazine and it was like validation in a way cuz it [TS]

01:47:30 ◼   ► was understandable and and not something that people you knew got to do unless [TS]

01:47:35 ◼   ► they were very special and I i feel like watching on a TV is a little bit like [TS]

01:47:42 ◼   ► that too it's like wow that's the real television this is crap that we'd real [TS]

01:47:47 ◼   ► TV I just hope that Adam doesn't come to the same and you mean I tell anybody out [TS]

01:48:01 ◼   ► there wasn't much good what is wrong with you go do that immediately and then [TS]

01:48:05 ◼   ► goes into Syracuse's [TS]

01:48:07 ◼   ► discussion which i dont im not im laughing just because it's it's good not [TS]

01:48:14 ◼   ► because it's why I have asked I'm hoping I do this before somebody else gets it [TS]

01:48:19 ◼   ► but i wanna do in Kabul with serious serious about godfather mando you got it [TS]

01:48:24 ◼   ► would be like it if if goodfellas was 84 hours [TS]

01:48:29 ◼   ► godfather someday I'll do that cuz I want that we you know so much about like [TS]

01:48:36 ◼   ► sci-fi stuff more more than anything else but I do want to do more classic [TS]

01:48:42 ◼   ► movie stuff and that's one that I mean I would love to do goodfellas but I feel [TS]

01:48:47 ◼   ► like it's kind of it's been done I would not want to just rehash that same [TS]

01:48:50 ◼   ► conversation that John and Dan had that's one of my favorite movies of all [TS]

01:48:54 ◼   ► time but godfather I'd love to do that to a class of 2011 break to make and I [TS]

01:49:01 ◼   ► gotta talk to you about back place I feel like this show is loaded up with [TS]

01:49:06 ◼   ► the all-stars of fireball and the talk-show sponsorships these guys have [TS]

01:49:11 ◼   ► been with the show for as long as I've been doing it [TS]

01:49:15 ◼   ► fantastic service its online unlimited backup for your Mac you go to [TS]

01:49:24 ◼   ► backpage.com you download their free install it on your Mac but the thing in [TS]

01:49:30 ◼   ► your system preferences it written by former Apple engineers seriously good [TS]

01:49:37 ◼   ► good software on the Mac there's PC version 2 and native this isn't some [TS]

01:49:44 ◼   ► kind of cross-platform you know crap like we're talking about before this is [TS]

01:49:48 ◼   ► really good stuff you install it [TS]

01:49:51 ◼   ► what happened then everything on your Mac starts getting backed up to your [TS]

01:49:56 ◼   ► back please [TS]

01:49:57 ◼   ► account online in the class [TS]

01:49:59 ◼   ► they have over 150 petabytes of data backed up doesn't matter how much stuff [TS]

01:50:03 ◼   ► you've got to have you got a terabyte of stuff got four terabytes of stuff and [TS]

01:50:07 ◼   ► you got an external hard drive in addition to your internal hard drive it [TS]

01:50:11 ◼   ► all gets backed up now is there any kind of magic that makes it all get backed up [TS]

01:50:15 ◼   ► immediately no definitely not so the more stuff you have the longer it's [TS]

01:50:18 ◼   ► going to take to do it you get a 30 day free trial should be long enough with [TS]

01:50:21 ◼   ► any kind of modern in a connection to get the whole thing backed up by the end [TS]

01:50:24 ◼   ► of the Free Trial after that what happened well of course everything gets [TS]

01:50:30 ◼   ► backed up incremental after that so one file changes that I'll get back to you [TS]

01:50:35 ◼   ► got nice controls you composite you can follow the amount of bandwidth that we [TS]

01:50:40 ◼   ► use if you need to do something else like record a podcast and you just [TS]

01:50:43 ◼   ► signed up but seriously once you have installed you never noticed it just runs [TS]

01:50:48 ◼   ► no hassle [TS]

01:50:50 ◼   ► does exactly what you think it should do which is just silently backup everything [TS]

01:50:55 ◼   ► to the cloud [TS]

01:50:57 ◼   ► how can you access and after that you could do it almost any way you could [TS]

01:51:01 ◼   ► imagine you just need one file login find that file to organize the same way [TS]

01:51:06 ◼   ► the hierarchy is on your computer [TS]

01:51:08 ◼   ► find the file download it right there 25% of all restores from back please [TS]

01:51:14 ◼   ► customers are just one file that's it you can and you can do that from your [TS]

01:51:17 ◼   ► iOS device they have an app you can log in with that get a file from your iOS [TS]

01:51:20 ◼   ► device when yer on vacation or traveling or whatever and email it to someone so [TS]

01:51:26 ◼   ► it's a great way it's only just back up it's a great way to just remotely access [TS]

01:51:29 ◼   ► to stuff on your Mac from anywhere lets a catastrophe hit hard drive [TS]

01:51:35 ◼   ► shit the bed I have to do is you can just get everything you want to download [TS]

01:51:41 ◼   ► download is going to take what you can do is buy it on a USB hard drive they [TS]

01:51:45 ◼   ► sell the USB hard drives costs and then they'll do you get scared FedEx next day [TS]

01:51:50 ◼   ► here comes a USB hard drive has everything that you needed on it really [TS]

01:51:55 ◼   ► really great stuff it really isn't just for disasters but having an offline [TS]

01:52:00 ◼   ► backup like Backblaze out of your house somewhere just in case some kind of [TS]

01:52:05 ◼   ► catastrophe doesn't deserve your computer but hit your home [TS]

01:52:08 ◼   ► just cannot give you a can tell you the peace of mind that you have when you [TS]

01:52:12 ◼   ► know that everything on your computer is backed up somewhere outside your house [TS]

01:52:16 ◼   ► no add-ons no gimmicks no additional charges no up cells or anything like [TS]

01:52:21 ◼   ► that you just pay five bucks per computer per month for unlimited backup [TS]

01:52:28 ◼   ► five bucks a month and you'll sleep like a baby knowing that your stuff is backed [TS]

01:52:33 ◼   ► up to get no credit card required just go to backpage.com and the code is [TS]

01:52:40 ◼   ► daring fireballs go to backpage.com / during fire born in all know you came [TS]

01:52:44 ◼   ► from here right away right from the beginning so my thanks to back please go [TS]

01:52:48 ◼   ► sign up it back place dot com slash Darren fireball so the last thing I [TS]

01:52:54 ◼   ► wanna talk about jason is this thing that came up and how it started but [TS]

01:52:58 ◼   ► everybody at stake this month has been talking about how advertising on the web [TS]

01:53:03 ◼   ► has made things slow and it's it's it's this weird catch 22 of that a lot of [TS]

01:53:11 ◼   ► sites have gotten caught in I wrote about iMore during fireball just as an [TS]

01:53:18 ◼   ► example of a state that I love I linked to all the time I know whole bunch of [TS]

01:53:24 ◼   ► the people who weren't there I maybe I know everybody who works there a great I [TS]

01:53:28 ◼   ► i've this staffed sites that cover the phrase but if the sites with like a [TS]

01:53:34 ◼   ► payroll in a staff that cover Apple I think right now they're they're the top [TS]

01:53:38 ◼   ► of the heap really do like them and I really think that day to day love their [TS]

01:53:43 ◼   ► readers I want to do right by them and they have a website that is really heavy [TS]

01:53:49 ◼   ► with tractors tractors and with a lot of video content you know for five [TS]

01:53:55 ◼   ► megabytes to download just a regular article five six seven hundred words and [TS]

01:54:02 ◼   ► they're more than just the time it takes to download if you're on a slow [TS]

01:54:05 ◼   ► connection or something like that it's the fact that they that some of these [TS]

01:54:09 ◼   ► tractors run execute for over a minute doing who knows what the hell they do on [TS]

01:54:13 ◼   ► JavaScript which hurts the performance of of your battery you know and 34 [TS]

01:54:19 ◼   ► literally I mean I think I'm exaggerating three or four hundred eight [TS]

01:54:23 ◼   ► steeped EP calls for separate resources on the page and it sounds like well they [TS]

01:54:29 ◼   ► should switch to different ad but it's really is sort of a catch 22 aware that [TS]

01:54:34 ◼   ► the way for the sort of revenue need to run a site with the staff like that the [TS]

01:54:38 ◼   ► only way to do it is through these existing ad networks and the way the ad [TS]

01:54:43 ◼   ► networks work is exactly what you see I'm or is not outside the bounds of of [TS]

01:54:48 ◼   ► the sort of sight in fact I would guess I haven't done this but I would guess [TS]

01:54:52 ◼   ► that if you went around to all the sites that have you know your Mashable's and [TS]

01:54:57 ◼   ► the verge and Engadget I was hoping somebody would waive macro pages 'cause [TS]

01:55:03 ◼   ► they've just got to be enormous [TS]

01:55:05 ◼   ► they they have to be mad world in IDDM you know and you know this I mean [TS]

01:55:11 ◼   ► macworld feature you know it still does I guess we're not opposed on page load [TS]

01:55:15 ◼   ► which I'm guessing that wasn't popular with the staff no I mean I was the [TS]

01:55:20 ◼   ► number one thing that the staff I think I think it's still not popular with the [TS]

01:55:24 ◼   ► with the remaining staff but certainly everybody who was there back in a year [TS]

01:55:28 ◼   ► ago that was the number one spot to get that turned off for like six months and [TS]

01:55:33 ◼   ► I finally got turned off and then they replaced the guy who was in charge of [TS]

01:55:36 ◼   ► the company with a new guy who immediately turn back on it you know [TS]

01:55:45 ◼   ► Thompson I would guess among anybody who doesn't have a site that does this Ben [TS]

01:55:50 ◼   ► Thompson 322 yeah he got really change the pronunciation sister decker know [TS]

01:55:55 ◼   ► well I'm gonna stick with Ben Thompson of strategic area has made the case you [TS]

01:56:03 ◼   ► know eloquently you know that this is the business damage it did on the corner [TS]

01:56:09 ◼   ► of that the industry has painted itself into this is the only source of [TS]

01:56:12 ◼   ► advertising that [TS]

01:56:13 ◼   ► can generate the sort of revenue that they need to do this how did we get here [TS]

01:56:19 ◼   ► right now it's it's it's it's you know we saw my boss for a long time and I [TS]

01:56:27 ◼   ► feel like most of the last couple of years I was there I did she hasn't had [TS]

01:56:31 ◼   ► so few and he was in charge of it and he was put in charge of our company our [TS]

01:56:35 ◼   ► company and our consumer group a good guy I really like them actually but you [TS]

01:56:39 ◼   ► know I learned about ad networks and and about programmatic by and all these [TS]

01:56:46 ◼   ► things like in the back in the day [TS]

01:56:49 ◼   ► themselves but the web but back in the day it was all like really any web [TS]

01:56:55 ◼   ► advertising has never been good I would say or rarely been good on the [TS]

01:57:01 ◼   ► mainstream it was all its all click driven you know everybody wants to see a [TS]

01:57:07 ◼   ► return on investment based on clicks are based on purchases which I I actually [TS]

01:57:10 ◼   ► think is is baloney that that one of the most Deibel kind of advertising is [TS]

01:57:17 ◼   ► branding advertising brand advertising which is another old boss of mine used [TS]

01:57:22 ◼   ► to say a sales guy used to say you gotta be you've got to be known to be [TS]

01:57:26 ◼   ► considered and considered to be bought and the way you get known is through [TS]

01:57:31 ◼   ► brand advertising you see you yours then perceived as being a legitimate player [TS]

01:57:35 ◼   ► and that's powerful but it might not lead to a direct sale right it's just to [TS]

01:57:42 ◼   ► get a win the ballgame it's like saying you know if you sell accounting software [TS]

01:57:46 ◼   ► and you plan get the internet with and and podcasts and websites and all that [TS]

01:57:51 ◼   ► we're counting software are people gonna say oh yeah my company needs accounting [TS]

01:57:55 ◼   ► software right now I'm going to click through or is it more gonna be like that [TS]

01:57:59 ◼   ► name is gonna stick in them and a year later they're gonna think oh yeah this [TS]

01:58:04 ◼   ► is a piece of accounting software maybe I should look into that maybe we should [TS]

01:58:07 ◼   ► buy that but that's not measurable by the web the web has really pushed his TV [TS]

01:58:11 ◼   ► with TV and magazines and newspapers you couldn't measure direct you can maybe do [TS]

01:58:15 ◼   ► like a specific phone number of P O box or something like that and try to [TS]

01:58:19 ◼   ► measure the volume [TS]

01:58:21 ◼   ► really was very hard to do and the web made it made it much more technically [TS]

01:58:27 ◼   ► possible to do that sort of thing and the kind of drove everything to this [TS]

01:58:31 ◼   ► crappy instant response kind of advertising and then this takes it even [TS]

01:58:36 ◼   ► with the ad networks it takes even further where it's no longer the heyday [TS]

01:58:40 ◼   ► of the web where they were still Lake custom sales staffs with very specific [TS]

01:58:44 ◼   ► like relationships with buyers who understood what your content was about [TS]

01:58:49 ◼   ► understood you know what your audience was and now it's very much like you know [TS]

01:58:53 ◼   ► everybody's in a pool they say who the demographics are page you know pageviews [TS]

01:58:58 ◼   ► not even like sites but page views in certain parts of certain sites are hole [TS]

01:59:02 ◼   ► sailed and run through us you know throughout a program that's just my a [TS]

01:59:07 ◼   ► certain number of pages of a certain kind on a stock exchange essentially and [TS]

01:59:12 ◼   ► it's like if you didn't think web advertising was bad enough five years [TS]

01:59:15 ◼   ► ago it is way worse now Ben Thompson had a great piece I just made a note to put [TS]

01:59:21 ◼   ► in the show so knock on wood it'll be in the talks crap shoot with me here great [TS]

01:59:30 ◼   ► post explaining how the modern advertising networks work yeah give me [TS]

01:59:35 ◼   ► the shivers [TS]

01:59:36 ◼   ► I learned that last couple years and in terms of [TS]

01:59:40 ◼   ► got a whole bunch of plays I haven't had the time they've been away but I [TS]

01:59:45 ◼   ► probably will I don't know about it if it happened before this podcast tears [TS]

01:59:49 ◼   ► but sometime within the next three days in a row about it and linked all these [TS]

01:59:53 ◼   ► things but there's a piece did you day which is i think a new site over tonight [TS]

01:59:59 ◼   ► I've never heard of it before but it's interesting article by Ricardo Bilton [TS]

02:00:02 ◼   ► about how the washington post cut it page load time by 85% in two years that [TS]

02:00:09 ◼   ► two years ago the washingtonpost.com typical article page took eight seconds [TS]

02:00:14 ◼   ► for the page to load and that I was measuring like where it was a usable by [TS]

02:00:19 ◼   ► the you know not necessarily completely done [TS]

02:00:22 ◼   ► but at the point where it looked done to the typical reader and they've in two [TS]

02:00:26 ◼   ► years by making it like a top priority in the whole development staff that they [TS]

02:00:31 ◼   ► they've got it down to 1.7 seconds which is an 85% performance increase and they [TS]

02:00:39 ◼   ► mention this is in the article is interesting that this is the guy he's [TS]

02:00:44 ◼   ► the his name is gregory Fran check upon presenting a trade name spelled a little [TS]

02:00:50 ◼   ► usually but he's his title is chief architect at the washington post and one [TS]

02:00:54 ◼   ► of the quotes from him is that in commerce there's a quote that one second [TS]

02:01:00 ◼   ► load time is the one that everyone wants to hit in media it doesn't seem as if [TS]

02:01:05 ◼   ► there was ever that much emphasis on performance frantic and that's in other [TS]

02:01:09 ◼   ► words that we are writing like a commerce web site on the web [TS]

02:01:12 ◼   ► there is this mantra gotta be one second or less or we're gonna lose this person [TS]

02:01:16 ◼   ► like god forbid somebody like goes so far as to put their product in their [TS]

02:01:22 ◼   ► cart and then they go to check out and they're waiting and waiting and waiting [TS]

02:01:26 ◼   ► and I guess gretna close well that would drive that team and rightfully so they [TS]

02:01:31 ◼   ► would say we've got to get that one second so we don't lose them and that [TS]

02:01:34 ◼   ► media sites didn't have that that drive maybe they would be nice if the page [TS]

02:01:39 ◼   ► loaded in a second but you know it's bad and in two seconds isn't bad three [TS]

02:01:44 ◼   ► seconds is about three seconds bad I'm sure they're not gonna they're not gonna [TS]

02:01:48 ◼   ► leave us if it gets 24 seconds on average and then all of a sudden you end [TS]

02:01:52 ◼   ► up with the washington post taking eight seconds to load which is a long time it [TS]

02:01:56 ◼   ► is I mean and you know we want about how amazing you know how amazed with Thomas [TS]

02:02:05 ◼   ► Jefferson behave if you could show him a web where every page loaded in eight [TS]

02:02:09 ◼   ► seconds well be blown away but guess what you know I wouldn't take him long [TS]

02:02:13 ◼   ► before he be saying they can't we get these the little quicker it eventually [TS]

02:02:18 ◼   ► no matter who you are where your perspective is eight seconds is too long [TS]

02:02:22 ◼   ► but the media backed themselves into a corner anyway this article with the post [TS]

02:02:26 ◼   ► concludes there's a lot that put publishers don't have complete control [TS]

02:02:31 ◼   ► of row ever and it's basically ads and here's the quote from the guy friends we [TS]

02:02:37 ◼   ► have very little control over adds that load later slowly but we wanted to make [TS]

02:02:41 ◼   ► sure the court user experience with a solid is possible that we have control [TS]

02:02:45 ◼   ► over that frantic and that to me is so telling that here's the washington post [TS]

02:02:50 ◼   ► and they even they said they don't have control over the time it takes for the [TS]

02:02:54 ◼   ► add that to me is is startling yeah well you everything's on networks and so I [TS]

02:03:03 ◼   ► mean I think what your goal needs to be is you need to not be held accountable [TS]

02:03:08 ◼   ► you know you need you need you build your pages so that they load regardless [TS]

02:03:12 ◼   ► of what happens with the ads is basically we have to do and that can be [TS]

02:03:18 ◼   ► hard I I can't tell you how much when I would fight for a development time at [TS]

02:03:23 ◼   ► IDG with our development group so much time window at UPS so much time and end [TS]

02:03:30 ◼   ► and the big problem was a top so often driven by sales people who would sell [TS]

02:03:33 ◼   ► some crazy campaign and then they would have to deliver it and then the front [TS]

02:03:37 ◼   ► end developers would have to try and find ways to make it not break all the [TS]

02:03:42 ◼   ► pages which is totally backwards way of doing it but that would happen all the [TS]

02:03:46 ◼   ► time and and so much went into that and and the fact was more could go into it [TS]

02:03:51 ◼   ► because you're you're imagine I mean it's like anything imagine something [TS]

02:03:56 ◼   ► that's completely out of your control being dropped into every every little [TS]

02:03:59 ◼   ► bit of product that you do that's what happens with these things and say it's [TS]

02:04:03 ◼   ► it's mind-boggling you try to mitigate it you try to reduce it as much as [TS]

02:04:06 ◼   ► possible and make it so that if the ad server fails I remember doesn't happen [TS]

02:04:11 ◼   ► so much anymore but they used to be a time when one JavaScript call breaking [TS]

02:04:16 ◼   ► somewhere would prevent us from loading like anyway because I don't and I could [TS]

02:04:22 ◼   ► be wrong here but I'm pretty sure that in the early days all JavaScript was [TS]

02:04:26 ◼   ► synchronous it was amazing great to get to that part of the page and it would [TS]

02:04:29 ◼   ► just wait for the third party server to load yeah and the way pages used to [TS]

02:04:35 ◼   ► render to [TS]

02:04:36 ◼   ► you know I can you not like anything below it in the DOM would not render and [TS]

02:04:46 ◼   ► I don't even think that was that long ago I seem to recall there were problems [TS]

02:04:51 ◼   ► were on time when the deck network server went down big chunks of daring [TS]

02:04:56 ◼   ► fireball didn't render because the deck network JavaScript include call was at [TS]

02:05:04 ◼   ► the top of the HTML not at the bottom so it's not even you know then that you [TS]

02:05:10 ◼   ► know that's only going back to the daring fireballer let alone the nineties [TS]

02:05:13 ◼   ► here's my theory on this and run it by you because then again this is one [TS]

02:05:18 ◼   ► reason why not have you on the show this week so you can speak to this to me I've [TS]

02:05:23 ◼   ► always thought and I've always been an outsider I've never had a full-time job [TS]

02:05:27 ◼   ► working at it publication what I always saw and to me it seems very obvious in [TS]

02:05:36 ◼   ► the early years was for the most part the big-name web in the early years came [TS]

02:05:41 ◼   ► from two sides came from print and it came from TV so CNN had a big news web [TS]

02:05:46 ◼   ► site near Times had to be news website and in both cases institutionally the [TS]

02:05:55 ◼   ► institutions did not value the websites as much as they value their traditional [TS]

02:06:00 ◼   ► form so print publications [TS]

02:06:02 ◼   ► favored print over was the favorite child over the web and the web was this [TS]

02:06:07 ◼   ► thing that they were maybe not even drunk kicking and screaming to but you [TS]

02:06:11 ◼   ► know in some cases some publications I think that was true in a lot of them it [TS]

02:06:15 ◼   ► just was always the second secondary child and they didn't have respect for [TS]

02:06:23 ◼   ► it and they didn't have the respect for it that they have for their flagship [TS]

02:06:31 ◼   ► product because here's what I would say the New York Times was never gonna let [TS]

02:06:35 ◼   ► advertisers into their printing press Like You Chevy you know doesn't get to [TS]

02:06:41 ◼   ► put an ad in the New York Times and get to go into the printing press and slow [TS]

02:06:44 ◼   ► down the delivery of the next morning's New York Times because they want to make [TS]

02:06:47 ◼   ► sure [TS]

02:06:48 ◼   ► that you know the colors are aligned on the printing press or just draw another [TS]

02:06:55 ◼   ► analogy Chevy doesn't get to put an ad in the New York Times ordinary times [TS]

02:06:59 ◼   ► doesn't see first CNN doesn't let the advertisers control whatever goes on [TS]

02:07:05 ◼   ► over the air during the thirty seconds they give them a video and the video you [TS]

02:07:13 ◼   ► know they have the video in their hands before I run CNN delivers the video [TS]