00:00:00 ◼ ► I'm worried because I feel like when every run the show we always going by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► far the longest guests like my feeling we could go back if we ever need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► like a charity target on me and you would be over 12 hours and then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► time we actually have a lot to talk so I'm a little concerned but well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► not part of it did you hear we don't talk anymore that you got to me and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/19">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► somehow it with the specifics are are kind of vague as to how how you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/25">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► me and what that means but somehow you got to me and we don't talk anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/31">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► has valuable said that have been further speculation though there were on the out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/36">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► fortunately it's it's died down the last few days I think people are finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► moved on from the peace saga which is good you know has a very short attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► span and that that is both a blessing and a curse it is it is definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► blessing when you are on the receiving end of it so that is nice but yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/55">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► heard I i read and got emailed and heard lots of interesting theories about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► conspiracy between you and I or that that you got to me or paid me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/65">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► because people couldn't possibly believe that the story was what I said it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/72">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► that I didn't want to be in this business after all so I exited it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► you told this story on your podcast ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/83">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► what is now the last episode I'm guessing you coming out tomorrow but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► today already out well I have no license so you can stop me of which are covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/92">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► some stuff but last week said this already covered the peace then your more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► or less long very very long story very short is that what you were out as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/101">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► always is exactly the truth you you are one of the most almost painfully honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► people I have ever met like when you you almost can't even bring yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/112">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► to tell like white lies you know I mean if you go through something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/116">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► and then you explain yourself in public during what you say is the honest to god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/123">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► truth so it's very funny that everybody would just assume that it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/127">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► something else and I depart the part of the story that is the best was that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/132">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► you know people who listen ATP last week know this that you get it was last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/136">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► thursday was a Friday I don't know what day of the week it was but I was at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/142">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► dentist was waiting to go and you texted me in your like I think I'm gonna pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► piece from the App Store and I texted dude I don't do it don't be rash wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/152">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► wait on out of the darkness and I got home and it was already pulled from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► App Store and it was there I literally you did not you know poll a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► people you kind of made it obviously you've made up your mind because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► know I told you not to do it we will get to I will explain why I thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► shouldn't do it but it did amused me greatly though then afterwards when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/174">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► did notice immediately afterwards there are an awful lot of people who assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► somebody's somebody said that it was like that may include all showed up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/185">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► baseball bat that I would love to see that it's especially fun because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/189">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► literally just hang out with you include all like four days earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/196">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► yeah it was also heard I really need to people I heard people people thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/200">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► that Apple paid me off which is the funniest i think is like I was making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/209">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► money you know promoting their platform doing everything they wanted me to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/213">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► and it wasn't also it also wasn't one of those things like today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/219">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► view widgets right where they say okay now over here in this today's green on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► my website called it doesn't matter whatever you know what you can to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► you can put a widget in there and when they first open this out there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/238">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► people who made things that did things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► were creatively outside the purview of what they expected people to to make and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/248">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► then you know I think one of the ones it was an early victim of this was a peek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/256">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► computation of that was more than they kind of I think they envisioned it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/263">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► the weather whatever and when people were actually doing real things over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/269">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► Apple you know this isn't that it wasn't like they were breaking into wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/276">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► using prove private API they were using a public API is in ways that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► didn't vision for peace was not like late you you use of the content blocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► abyei's in a way that they didn't envision it was almost like right down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► the canonical this is exactly the sort of thing that they envisioned would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/296">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► yeah I mean I got a couple of responses here and there from inside of apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► they were all extremely positive they they did they definitely did not want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/306">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► pull from the App Store as far as you know based on the implication that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► would have hated it for some reason like I mean you know they're they're not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/315">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► generous with their communication but it sure seemed like people and Apple are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► big fans of it and I pulled it and place the burden on them to try to issue of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/323">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► these refunds first manually and then eventually admitted that batch thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► that could have been pleasant for them either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/333">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► and certainly could have been cheap to have to process refunds and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/337">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► just the manpower alone of president's refunds was was going to be probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/340">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► significant so yeah I hate to hear that Apple may be off to do all this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/345">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► pretty entertaining I also heard that advertisers somehow paid me off I man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/351">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► and after sit at the top of the App Store paid after if that could have SAT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► there for like a month I don't know if anyone else would have been able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► afford to pay for it it was it would have made a ton of money and that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► know that's assuming a lot of course but if we could have sex for awhile you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► that would have been would have been a good amount of money but you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► it's it would have thought that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► would have felt it would have felt like making a ton of money off of like drug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► dealer didn't it didn't feel right you know that was the whole point i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► looking right now actually have not been paying attention to see what is top that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► topped charts top aide is arrayed Tweetbot for today between bud yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/395">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► number two is purify anything up there for a while and pure purify I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/403">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► what I think you have to look grossing didn't even register call candy candy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/409">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► crush yeah that's that's not there for a while I was at 11 pieces top data one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/416">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► full day of the majority was grossing that I think that number seventeen or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► eighteen for a little while not for the whole day but that was that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► pecan and it was able to fall down the grossing ranks pretty far while still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/429">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► being number one in the page are TV you know it the volumes are much lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► obviously and paid but yeah it would mean any app that's gonna sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/438">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► anywhere like in the top 20 paid making really good money for a while so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/442">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► don't you know if other people want to go in there and make a ton of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► making a bunkers that's fine like I'm willing and happy to yield that ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/451">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► to other people that's why did you know it I got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► realized I really didn't like being there and left yeah I actually haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/459">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► looked in a while it seems weird to me though I thought that there would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► couple of there but it looks like it's all down to purify now I don't see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/468">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► of the others although maybe maybe they're on the free list in there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► don't know which one to popular that there are a couple that would be popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► for a while crystal and purify were neck and neck and then I think maybe here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► maybe crystals thing with the example adds that I mean that's a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/484">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► drama that I don't really want to get into because I am NOT happily anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/488">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► but it that's the kind of thing where it just shows how incredibly messy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/493">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► difficult this business is and it's a perfect example of why I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/500">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► be in it after all because it is just a very messy and very difficult as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► record on Thursday October 1st crystal is all the way down 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► top paid and I guess it purifies number 22 obviously there's been some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/513">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► divergence there but you you you know and there is this weird self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/519">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► perpetuating this you know we've talked about this is so many different contexts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/523">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► ever since the App Store opened but once something is a top these charts it tends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/527">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► to stay there because one of the ways that people people here hey I hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/531">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► there's odd blockers for iOS they go to the AppStore where do they go to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/535">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► chart they see one that looks reasonable to top of the charts and they got it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/539">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► purify works you know definitely does what it says on the 10th so then they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► done you know they've just spent two or three bucks or whatever it costs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► their thing and they're done and then none of the other two being a top is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► huge advantage so you you know peace having started at the top I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/555">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► there's a very good chance that it would still be there today if you maybe but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/559">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► the same time like you know right now you could see like purify has already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► fallen to number two you know we'll see you know how much it stays at the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/568">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► how much it falls over time I mean it's only been a couple of weeks and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► been a pretty short time so I don't even know if I would be able to be there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► a month I don't even know if that would have happened you know there's no way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► know and I don't matter like I also wonder how much this is going to be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/580">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► of those things where it's not like sustained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► not that it's an unsustainable business could only get that much development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► work to keep it going but that let's say fifteen to twenty percent of Iowa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/593">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► users might be interested in a content Booker well how soon until all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/599">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► already have one and then I'm not sure if it's gonna be a chart-topper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/604">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► in perpetuity and we tried speculating on that an ATP like like what percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/610">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► of Iowa's people are likely to actually install and critically enable an ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/616">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► blocker and we came to about 10% being our estimate of people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► actually enable it also goes through the settings menu and diving safari settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► actually turn it on in a in a convoluted so then the idea that a bloggers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/631">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► going to all of a sudden ruin everyone's lives I i think is unlikely and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/637">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► likely I don't think it's likely that it would be that much different than on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► desktop and then the desktop I that I pulled the 15% from what i think is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► people estimators the desktop number and obviously that changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► changes a lot based on the audience you know I know Ars Technica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► is really really hit hard by that because their audiences is technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/666">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► adept you know my site probably has to some extent just because at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► there's a high percentage of people who read my saved who know what an ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► blocker is in you know feel very very confident installing an extension it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/679">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► also worth pointing out like you know there's a lot of people it's also worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/685">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► pointing out that there's there's a lot of all those people who installed the ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/691">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► blockers who are more likely to bloggers like like nerds who visit our site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► your site how likely were they to click on the display ads to begin with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/699">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► know a guy I bet the race I mean I've always kind of suspected that display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► ads on the internet are mostly supported by inadvertent accidental clicks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/709">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► people who don't realize they're clicking on that you click who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/716">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► misled into clicking on it by it looking like content or buy one of those like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/719">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► stupid story i'd like you know top 10 ways to lift your face up like all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/724">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► crazy things like I always kind of suspected that the bulk of display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/728">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► advertising online was being click through and funded by accident or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/732">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► novices hurdle by ignorance in confusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► yeah it's really a 10 I'm sure that I'm sure that all of it but I bet it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/743">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► more than both the advertisers on the publisher's would like to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/749">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► well it's it is truly a they they truly opened a Pandora's box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/754">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► way back in the nineties when they first started measuring clicks in first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► and I i've link to this over the years numerous contexts talking about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/765">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► it's come back up again it it it is absolutely a case of be careful what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/770">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► because at first when nobody was trying to gain system at all the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/779">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► counting the actual clicks on the ad was amazing because nobody ever knew when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► you when you put an ad in a magazine you have a good gas that the circulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/789">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► numbers are probably pretty accurate because they were you know industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/795">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► standards in a maybe they tried to fight him a little bit for the most part it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► so expensive to print magazines they couldn't be that far off but how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/802">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► people actually read your ad of it on page 13 you know how many people skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► right past it you know what what was the register to actually be able to measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/811">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► TV commercials could never really be measured if there was no gaming if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/816">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► everybody was honest in world which is probably the biggest stupidest if I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/822">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► ever put forward counting the clicks on ads would be great and it it did at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/826">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► first web advertising was super super expensive per customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/832">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► you know everyone a measure that because it could be measured but then as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► people could you know as soon as it started working people immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► started gaming it in various ways so it's you know once and once they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/848">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► going down that path it was and still is to this day the fact that they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► measure then you have all these problems with click fraud and botnets doing click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/857">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► fraud and all this stuff it's it's a whole world of people trying to beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/863">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► each other off it's just disgusting to me that's one of the reasons why I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► wanna be in business after all just it's just it's just a dirty messy world at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► fundamental level the way I view advertising is even online is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/878">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► fundamentally no different than advertising in print or on TV and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/882">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► which is to say that it is primarily about awareness making people aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/886">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► maybe people who've never heard of your product making them aware of that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/891">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► the first time or if they have heard of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/894">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► you know you know if it's some kind of visual ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► or with some kind of message about it like for example like the ads I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/903">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► reading during this podcast where you're not seeing anything but you can hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► these talking points here's what they wanted to know about it so that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/911">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► it in your head so that if you need a new mattress you can think what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► that one of these podcasts are talking about or something like that just saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► awareness the fact that online ad can actually lead to engagement quicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/924">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► meaning you know you can just click on an ad and go and you're already at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/930">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► field notes website and you can't buy the notebook writer that that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/936">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► but that should just be you know anybody who's deciding how much to spend on line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/940">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► vs printer on TV that should just be icing on the cake it's still should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/944">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► primarily be look if we put an ad on this website we think we can expect a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/949">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► hundred thousand people will see it and we roughly know that there you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/953">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► demographics are like this that's really all that they should be looking at but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► the fact that they think that they can identify people will spend this money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► and it'll only go to people who searched in Google Maps for an oil change in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/967">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► last 25 days it's just crazy and it leads to all sorts of sickness and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/972">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► sorts of really creepy and perverse incentives and behavior like it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/979">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► one of those worlds where anybody who who is kind of privacy in and sensibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/985">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► minded or anybody who has really strong ethics i think is often driven out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/992">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► business like it they won't do it someone else will you guys on ATP days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/998">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► compared it to the industry and I think you guys kind of backed away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► because it's almost like wow that's really strong commitment but I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► think it's actually really I think that's not a bad comparison at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► in terms of its not remove any judgment of whether the existence of pornography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► in and of itself has any sort of moral you know it's just that you end up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► programming in doing things that are you know whoever is implementing it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► unhealthy right you know if it's some kind of paper thing for porno you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► you know that their their setup and somebody had to program the system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► enables somebody who's got like an addiction to the stuff to just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► spending as much money as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► that's you know that is absolutely immoral and you there's somebody feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► really guilty about that or somebody who wrote that code just doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► moral compass that point that way a lot of this stuff the programmatic stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► advertising is it down that path you know it's maybe not quite as far but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► it's pretty pretty bad you know that you're doing things that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► the user isn't happy about that isn't good for them and that they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► want to know exactly what's going on and one of the problems that that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► if so that's the side of the advertiser the side of the ad blocker of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► person or company making and running the ad blocker itself that faces an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► interesting dilemma where and I think you see this playing out with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► glad things with a buck plus and crystal on the controversy stirred up the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► and some things you said about the Deccan everything I have had their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► privacy policy everything on whether in a question of whether the deck should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► should count as an ever-present should be blocked one of the problems here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► faces with Instapaper back forever ago i fix the problem that what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► actually wanted was to get the articles without ever hearing the ads will even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► once they wanted me to go out and scrape new articles for them they'd never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► before and show them immediately in the in the ad strip TextView like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► and what's actually healthy for publishers and for the world i'm for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► legally was not to do things like that it was to say you know ok well im gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► say things you have viewed in your web browser that's that's different and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► was it was always a really tricky balance because the the user base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► the customer the market was pushing me to go over that line and I would always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► try to hold back a little bit but not all my competitors didn't hurt me and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► think in the ad blocker industry I think you're going to see the same thing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► is you know we can talk all we want about how you well I also wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► compare that kind of to piracy and it's not these aren't great comparison so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► please email us but you know if it's it has some overlap is is what I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► about that and in a sense that like you know making a blocker is kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► making money from piracy it's like well people are going to pay me to hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► everyone else's ads and I can say well I can justify it with reasons XYZ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► manufacturer perfectly valid things like security tracking etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► those are all very valid reasons but if I made a blocker that only blocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► tracking and still showed ads nobody would want it because what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► actually want is to block all the ads and all the tracking and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► security in the creepiness those are all convenient justifications for them just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► like when ppl Pirates deficit well it wasn't available in my country at or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► wasn't available without DRM in the form I wanted on the box I wanna play it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► whatever people can read all sorts of reasons for piracy while also knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► yet also kinda not right and so a desk at our son but a blocking when it when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► quit was like I could rationalize a whole bunch of reasons why this needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► exist and why I might even wants to run by which I do it I still run gostaria my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► computer and I still run I'm switching between various blockers on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► trying to find a good one and only one blogger you know people people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► actually his reasons but to be the person making it an enabling this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► making money from it even if it puts on a different level and there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► going to be a tension between you know trying to make it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► morally acceptable but also the reality of what the market really wants is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► get everything for free and not see any ads ever and no matter what they say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► they if they say it's all about something else it's all about tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► whenever some people are honest about that most are most people just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► block all the ads I disagree I really do disagree I think there's definitely some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► subset of people who really do want to block that really do you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► the ones that there's even a magazine called for like an anti advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► magazine reports no no no used to sell it at Whole Foods but they don't pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► more but it's it'll come to me for like you guys have people who are opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► advertising in general not just online advertising but who actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► Crusaders about you know that that advertising is a perverse force on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► our society in 1902 before effect cases there are some cases where it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► know you know the cigarette companies and the address you know the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► they've been legislation has been passed that you really can't advertise anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and that when they used to be able to they really did you could prove it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► they they they targeted their ads to children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► famously the joe camel cartoon mascot for camel cigarettes was different polls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► are they would go in and you know talk to kindergarteners and they're amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► amazing brand awareness in kindergarten age kids of the mascot for a cigarette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► company that's really sick and it was an accident it was actually play it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► there's an example there are people who kind of feel that way about all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► and and maybe it's not even the messaging there's others who are clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► online who really care about every single byte of data every bite somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► pointed out to me for example and and daring fireball in the deck the deck ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► are so small compared to online ad you know in general but because during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► fireball has almost no images oftentimes has no images other than like the logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► on the homepage the deck actually comprises a significant portion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► average page view especially if you don't even look at the whole home page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► where there is a whole big wall attacks but if you just go to like an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► short entry significant portion maybe even a majority portion of the bites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► that get downloaded on the page you go to the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► I think looking at that as a percentage is kind of unfair just because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► design of don't fireball but if you really want to look at it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► ok fine I say go ahead block yet you know but I don't have a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► feel that way I think people think that opening people's eyes with this with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► with content blocking are the Foreman's numbers that people are see ya I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► when I see people whose eyes have been opened by like some of the stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► that then Brooks has been publishing when he's you know doing the yeoman's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► work of testing all these things and the New York Times published it in today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► where they they tested a bunch of sites without blockers and when you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► you can save thirty seconds on a mobile page you when you go to boston.com by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► having an ad blocker and only has about blocking ads its I just want I want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► yeah and that's that's certainly a major part of it that is a major justification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1494">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► and a major motivator especially in Moberly on desktop it was it was easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► to get wasteful and kind of ignore it but I mobile it matters more mobile also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► screen space matters more to add that would come in and take over a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► chunk of the screen or do these stupid overlays or break when you zoomed in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► many bad things out there but it's a major motivator but I think it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► down to like if you ask people would you rather see this thing with ads or with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► ads they would choose no ads every time you know some exceptions like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► like certain magazines like the ads are kind of the point but for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► most content I think people if people are given the option to take it with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► assume the cost was equal in both free and so what you have in the AM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► businesses this kind of tension is this kind of balanced tension will usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► it's balanced where the people really want the stuff for free and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► want to pay that they don't want to pay for it and i also dont wanna see ads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► the publishers as you know they obviously can't operate for free so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► say alright well look kind of reach this equilibrium like okay well we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► show ads and most of your going to tolerate them and you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► tolerate it because you don't want to pay us and it's kind of okay and for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► most part both sides that usually it this it's this at this relationship of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► tolerating you not actually wanting the ads are enjoying the ads you know most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► people if given the choice again they would they would say well I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► to see the ads that don't show them to me or don't waste my time with them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► it's always this kind of tension and in in the in the grand scheme of things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► think people do like free content better than they like payroll stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► ultimately I think I think this is a necessary evil like it's and obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► this is usually no but it is a necessary compromise of of how how content is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► viewed and paid for and everything and you know i i run the deck out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► sight I run outta my podcast just like you do on here and that's those are both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► choices where it's like you know I also you know I I would love to do an ad free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► podcast for people just paid us but that would make a lot less money and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► less people and you know if you put up a wall up in front of a podcast that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► just death like nobody listens so it's it's really it's it's never a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► relationship it's never perfect you know it's never really what all sides want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► but if this compromise at all sides have reached most of the time and anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► you do throw that out of balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► like making the ads are really obnoxious or really creepy early over-reaching are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► really slow have other major problems there's gonna be pushed back from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► but the basic the basic notion of you i'ma show you had your going to tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► them it's there it's a little bit uncomfortable even from the start you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► know and it's I've always I've always kind of felt mildly irritated by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► fact that I make my living on ads because I don't like ads you know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► think this is the best solution we have given all the variables I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► where the comparisons piracy works as I've always seen piracy as a negotiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► it is you know somebody that if they're pirating and a poor game there did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► know that makes the game is saying there's a new game for your PC its $40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► and the person who Pirates instead of paying for the same note $0 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► some point and I know that you know with piracy there are absolute . die hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► there are people you know did I i when I was in college I pirated all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► stuff and it wasn't wasn't like if Adobe head a have the price of photoshop I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1733">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► gonna pay for it instead of pirating it I realize that but you know for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► things at some point and i think that that was the key to the iTunes Music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► Store making online music success is that they they were saying here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► better deal we will have all the music you'll get your album art and all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► good metadata right there you'll you'll be sure of the quality and it's a fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► price $0.99 and did it stop music piracy no definitely not but it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► turns some people who might have otherwise or previously been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► Napster or you know whatever the you know the stuff that came after Napster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► was to instead to say you know what I'll just buy it from iTunes it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► negotiation i think what you see and it's the same thing with a lot of piracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► and you see it with entertainment industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► the way they approach movies and stuff like that and and music and games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► software and I think it's very true with the advertising industry is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► industry the publishers and advertisers for the entertainment companies they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► don't see it as a negotiation they see this as a problem that could be solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► so that they can do whatever they want and they are the people will just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► weekend we can show you whenever online ad we want and you'll just suck it up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► that and that there's some you know I'm sure that there's a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► people who are if they're looking at Wow our mobile numbers are down this month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► you know the Silas content blocking thing is totally real you can't see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► here you know five six seven percent down you know over where we were before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► this came out you know that there's people wrote right now who's there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► are thinking or who are demanding of their engineering teams find a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► not not like how do we you know how do we start selling ads that people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► want to block its how do we defeat the content partners and you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► that's the right attitude that's not that's not gonna win exactly so only on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► the other side when they make new kinds of ads then the ad blocker people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► gonna say well now we need to block this new kind of like the neither side is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► willing to agree to the other side's terms here like the the advertiser is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► not going to say well I guess we better stop publishing ads because nobody likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► ads and the ad blockers are gonna say well you know what that ad is fine we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► going to win because if they do the user revolt and they go to something else so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► I don't know what the ultimate solution is but it's absolutely some form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► having a basic respect for the user and for your product and I've been saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► the following four years as well as to me as somebody who's always been sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► and advertising and graphic design branding and things like this whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► it's you know print TV or online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► it has always been right from the very get-go has always been very clear to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► that the traditional companies either from TV or from print when they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► online by and large they had very little to no respect for the web they either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► treated it as like at some point I had to stop treating it as as maybe a fad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► but clearly at the beginning a lot of thought maybe this is a bad and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► never ever treated with the respect that they treat their main products you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► they would never put popup that actually covered the actors faces faces on a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► show about you know even when they put they do some substance doorknobs me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► TV where they put little things about the bottom of the screen but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► do something that covers the actual content of the show while the show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► playing magazines don't allow advertisers to make add that like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► pages are getting worse every year with you now that print is getting desperate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► date it might be out of desperation but certainly while they were profitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► they wouldn't do it they wouldn't make you like let's say a popular paid like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► the op-ed page in the new york times they weren't going to see all that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► some kind of tape so that you have to sit there and spent thirty seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► looking at the whatever logo is on the tape while you carefully cut across it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► to do it but they've treated online at like that all along time I really do I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► gonna go back and I'm gonna tell you I i feel like i have to explain why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► thought you shouldn't have taken peace out of the store and at the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► didn't realize that having read your piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► your article explaining it I would have said ok you're right if that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► feel then just get out I didn't know when you called me I didn't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► you were thinking the problem I think the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► once it was out and when she saw that there was controversy to be had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► argument to be made and that it was going to be a nonstop never never ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► slog of what deserves to be blocked and what doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► the realization that he didn't want to be in this business was you know i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► is the recall I didn't know that I also think that this is why you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► getting shit from people I have seen this where there are people who you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► lol how could you build contemp locker all summer long and not imagine what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► was like to have a contemp locker I can imagine that very easily that you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► really think about it I thought your explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► here's a cool API I'd like to build one myself I like to build things so I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► build it and they don't think pass exactly that was that was really it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► like I said although none ATP it's like all summer long I was focused on how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► make a really cool app using the stuff and I i was not focusing on what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► actually be like if I make this cool app succeed and become a major person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► influential in this business and having everyone look at me this way and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► didn't think about that you know I should have but I was naive and I i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► to do the cool thing where I make the cool app and then you know I didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► know it didn't matter what the app did I just how I want I had to school app idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► and I i tried it and it worked really well and so I I was motivated to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► going with it and it just didn't think about you know what would happen and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► mean a lot about this is a lot of the a lot of the frustration and anger that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► received over it from other people is really about like you know they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► just can't believe that there's that I got to that position and that I give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► up for very that's one of the reasons you know one of the other reasons is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► like how do you walk away from all that money and it's you know it's like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► money isn't everything I felt bad about etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► and I mean just once I decided to to take it up the store and and I i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► when I had it once I decided that I'd like you said you were the dentist it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► was the the moment I decided I should stop the store is a temp there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► morning it was down by 12:30 it was it was like two hours like all I had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► was I i talked it over with my wife i ran up by you and identify the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► people to make sure that I even could do without breaking the contract and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► that then that they were going to be mad about it and that was it you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► want to do the same time like as soon as I even had the idea to do it I felt a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► million has better like a giant weight off my shoulders and that night when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► was working on overcast again for the first time in a couple of weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► felt so good because overcast will probably not make in its entire next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2213">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► year what peace could make in two or three days but so much better about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► you know you and I have talked about this that one of the things some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► have a very hard time believing that anybody obviously I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► everybody thinks is wearing a majority but there are clearly some people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► cannot get it through their head that pure money is not a primary motivating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► factor for us it's great I am successful right now and I do appreciate that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► it's important to me because I have a family and so it is certainly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► significant motivator and it is a very high priority for me but it's not number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► one and maximizing it getting every single dollar that I can absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► positively is not a number a motivator for me is professionally is doing good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► and number two is probably like just what I feel like the overall quality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► my life and my happy money obviously plays a factor in that but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► making the most money possible definitely doesn't write and I are both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► fortunate that you and I have made enough money and and make make enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► money through other means that like we can say no to things that don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► right to us and and you know there's there's all these days don't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► know every there there's a threshold for everybody and it's surprisingly low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► where additional money that you make above that threshold doesn't really make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► you happier you know so there is this concept of like what is enough and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► most cultures that aren't american's that number is way lower even americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► have you know this concept of what is enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► beyond which it stops really added to your happiness and in a proportional way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► and I've heard estimates of the number being as low as like $75,000 a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► which you know in this offer businesses is a pretty mid-range too low salary so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► it's pretty for people who are likely to the show it's not that hard to achieve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► that it is not unheard of in the event that you that you know if you already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► make a six-figure salary and you know the idea that you could turn away money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► from something that you that makes you feel terrible that actually there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► lot of like widespread you know surveys and and psychology and up to back that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► up where it actually is plausible to do an effect people do it frequently think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► that you know once once you once you've reached a certain level of income you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► don't just have to say yes to everything and in fact if you do and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► people choose poorly on that scale and say yes to everything and are miserable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► for it and I don't necessarily realize that like you know they don't have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► that there's a lot of people who you know people who do it not just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► they're well off enough and they can keep their life so people who downgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► and delighted by it you know somebody who is just killing themselves in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► corporate attorney job you know hundred some hours a week doing this my num in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► work and then they leave and become you know a teacher or something you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► take a job with it has a much shorter commute away closest to your house even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► if it pays less than the job that all the way in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► your way happier taking the job at a shorter commute and you're you're able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► to rationally say yes I can turn down the extra money for the job in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► because I will be way happier and probably healthier and probably have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► better family life if I if I choose us right at the same kind of thing it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► plays out there somebody who leaves six-figure engineering job at Apple or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► any of the big companies out there and it just opened up their own coffee shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► which is an indoor in opening up a restaurant notoriously low margin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► difficult business to be in but that all they've ever wanted to do is raise their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► own coffee and make a cool place you know where people can you know if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► what you wanna do i mean there could be so much happier and you're making way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► way less but anyway that's its people don't think I'll give you a concrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► example of money that I have passed up and it's I don't think it's a thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► certainly wasn't sustainable in Google's search algorithm got around it but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► some point in the late last decade I would have guessed the summer of 2008 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► 2010 or so it was non-stop Virage every week where I got offers from people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► place text ads on their enviable text thing either they wanted on the homepage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► or it would be some specific page that ranked highly for certain keyword posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► I'd written and they would offer thousands of dollars I mean I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► one time it was it was a guy and I actually pursued it now because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► thought I would take it but i wanna see something $20,000 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► couple of months and it just seemed like such a large amount of money but i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► want to see is this is this is because if I don't get the money I'm gonna take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► the texture down and it's you know it's the Google index it wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► I can't be because this is an article like let's say your old article if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► think that there's value to be gained by putting a text there now they must know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► that Google Reader indexes these pages and so therefore they must know that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► I'd take the text ad down it'll rien texan they won't have that Google juice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► you know and I just research the company and it really see my yes this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► company that pays publishers tens of thousands of dollars to place these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► texts at and then you could do things they don't even care all they cared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► about was the search engines and you you could do things like use CSS to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► just plain 9446 position at 4000 pixels off-screen whatever you want to didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► care so it wasn't like anybody would know wasn't like anybody would see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► but it was thousands of dollars from just nonstop for years and I say no to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► all of them or or or the other thing I would do is I would write back and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► would be like what David they were a lot of them would say what is what would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► want how much would you want for me to put a text ad page and I would write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► $100,000 and then they would say that's too much do you know you're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► traffic but before I got to like ridiculous numbers like that i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► offer I remember I would write back as a joke and just say like $10,000 they'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► like about seven times that you've got this obscene number that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► laugh at and they're actually I guess it's pretty close actually felt we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► do that now these are ads that were in all they wanted was the text all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► wanted to do is trick Google and other search indexes there was no major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► industry for a while I think I think it's finally probably die down as Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► that smarter but major interstate was a major industry in the money was truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► I know what I could have if I'd pursued it but easily tens of thousands a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► I read those like I bet the market had like a hundred visitors a month I ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► those from a company called text link ads like texting out of hyping it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► was a company name and they might even still be around nine times I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► I think text link ads word I think that in particular they were they weren't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► skinny they they would vary so it was very similar you embedded this PHP thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► I was still very new to PHP the time but I even modified the code to add nofollow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► to the links I think that eventually get me kicked out but because I I was aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► of what they were doing and other well you know I'm gonna add nofollow because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► that's the that's the right thing to do and they didn't have an explicit rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► against that I could find at the time I wrote that this wasn't doing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► tracking it wasn't going to mean literally just HTML so wasn't even going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► to have any measurable effect on downloads eyes were talking about not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► even kilobyte bites actual just extra bytes would if it loaded synchronously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► what you would have had to do what they want with Google it would block the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► pageload wallet on your server side I don't even think I think they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► wanted me to actually just paste paste this little snippet of HTML the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► it wasn't even dynamic a dynamic now I think that there were some services like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► text link ads were was dynamic as they wanted to get used to feel these offers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► from people who just wanted to buy a month of you know just put this snippet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► of HTML and this article for a month and no significant money and I didn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► I turned it down because just felt gross and it just ended and I didn't need it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► do have to admit the whole RSS sponsorship thing at this point was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► taking off and it was doing well in the deck was you know I was already in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► deck so I didn't need it I was already at the point where I could say don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► fireball is supporting my family I don't need to pile this on with things I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► proud of and exactly you know so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► but there are you know there's other examples I i feel that offers from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► people like you know other ad networks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► effectively I would have adequate the Deccan go to them who offered me way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► more than the deck you know has ever paid me per month and you know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► said no to all of them because I just dancing around switching ad networks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► going to the highest bidder and look in their ad obviously they were did just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► weren't they weren't little nice static ads like the tech they were big and ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► the standard IAB big red yeah I mean the idea of looking like the decades of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► amazing lock-in because once you once you are accustomed to the way your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► site looks with the deck and once your readers are accustomed to a your site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► just imagine what your site would look like with his with the giant a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► skyscraper at the sidebar they regularly like a big white like that would look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2814">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► it wouldn't look like your site at all it would look like if you were like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► some crazy why fight it was like injecting ads in a prepared you visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► like it would look like a scam or malware had taken over something it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► would you wouldn't you would never say oh it's very possible its normal like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► that just goes to show I think like the different worlds that that are possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► here in the advertising space like you have you know fully native stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► urs sponsorships that an hour into doing the podcast you then you have like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► very very subtle modeling with the deck does and you have everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► giant horrible things and and i i do think but I certainly that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► like the other ones that would come to me we're offering me it would be 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► percent more than the democrats thirty was it like a percentage more it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► factor of three four five times more like five times more than what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► making from the deck was significant money the way I always chalked it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► i na me completely support me on this is that to me the money that I was leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► on the table by not using this ad was effectively in investing in the brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► during Bible yeah that's totally right and your site has always had that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► so easy even even in the age now where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► you might wanna consider Mobile layout and bigger font someday maybe but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2898">TS</a>]
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00:49:00 ◼ ► know maybe maybe I should get to use some time and make you finally update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► responsibly keeping you know what the right not to its we can keep on as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► wanted but one of the things if I do even when I do I want to change it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► I want to change the layout today on fireball wants and then have at last at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► least another 15 to 20 years no pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► well the last design you know has gone close to change it like 2003 or 2004 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► there was an early days ago for the first year during fireballs a slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► different designs so eleven years ago someone that goes for 15 n may be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► only to tweak it like I have this one you know here and there suddenly over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► the years but you know I want to do it once but to do it once I think it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► require web funds and I've progressing in four years on web points because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► just can't get over the fact that to me they feel slow and one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► that I really love about how fast it's one of my favorite things I get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► people from emails or tweets or something like that every once in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► during fire but does go down or if there's like DNS outage on the net which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► makes really weird things and it's like some people like people say hey is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► durable down and I check and it's definitely not down it's right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► really fast but I keep I get like three or four of these it's usually like a DNS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► problem and people who are somewhere on some chunk of the internet can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► there and when people say the following me always makes my day they say during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3039">TS</a>]
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00:50:52 ◼ ► always up and expected to load against him and websites definitely changed so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► I've put off you know and and that's funny because with the country bloggers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3058">TS</a>]
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00:51:06 ◼ ► things faster not because anybody is really opposed to nobody's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► good-looking font and nobody's opposed to nice design but people some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3070">TS</a>]
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00:51:26 ◼ ► built a piece that was like one of the very first things I built was i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3086">TS</a>]
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00:51:51 ◼ ► and you know as far as I know like I see a couple of benchmarks here in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► that suggests that the FDA web fonts are not as fast as type it but either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3115">TS</a>]
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00:52:04 ◼ ► you're still loading a few hundred kilobytes of funds for most people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3124">TS</a>]
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00:52:13 ◼ ► other connection everything and another opportunity for weird latency or DNS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► issues and the fact is web fonts are really nice they're they're very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► have but if they're gonna come at a big cost they're probably not worth it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► most sites and what I found when I like it when I would have been browsing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► with weapons disabled on my phone for for a while now and even with coaster on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► the desktop I would I would turn off type get their tractors that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► block a couple months to and you really don't miss much like it's you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► you can tell on certain sites were like they didn't have a good fallback so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► default by Times New Roman you can you can tell us what it's supposed to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► like times but for the most part things load really fast and nothing looks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► bad and many times it looks pretty good at fall back to something sensible so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3183">TS</a>]
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00:53:30 ◼ ► try to try to like just write like 10 lines of CSS or whatever that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► just like text you and have you inject you in your template here's your freakin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3218">TS</a>]
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00:54:12 ◼ ► probably started at like 10 times yeah thats bring back stories there but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► will happen sooner or later but yeah there's no way to just take the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► HTML and easily do it i mean you can make a new one that looks that a wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► screen looks the same but the way that everything is structured right now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► fight against responsible but the worst thing that ever happened was the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► that with a very little a very short amount of think it's just like that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► viewport meta tag and the fact that a double tap on the main text column is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► pretty good and has been since the original iPhone in 2007 I mean like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► lines of code in 2007 made it easy did the double tap on the center column of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► text inhabit reasonably good size and a pretty good with its not nice and fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► used you can still slide around sideways when you scroll but it's actually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► good for you know run on mobile optimized layout and that's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► worst thing that ever happened because if it had been terrible on iPhone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► would have done something in 2007 or 2008 yeah I mean and that's i mean your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► site works the way every site work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► this was the problem that I created Instapaper to solve like it one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► problems is like I didn't want to keep zooming in on everyone's pages and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► like I would say girls girls girls I was reading actually get misaligned a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► bit so I decide and let me try to realign back to the center column never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► quite get it right happens all the time you know just pretend to believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► and I i talked to people about a year ago at this like I think if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► designing Instapaper from scratch today is designing a thing that would solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► this problem from scratch today I don't think I would do the TextView I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► would just save it was there on the page like the fully because responsive design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► and modern sensible design on most of the house but I want to read and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► especially now with content blockers existing if there is a way to look into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► that Hannah system responsive design really solved the problem pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► most of the time like these like back in 2007 2008 when I was designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► Instapaper at first the TextView was necessary because no sites had mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► layouts responsive design didn't even exist yet they get the respect wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► even there the media queries I don't think even existed back either supported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► do responsive as high back then but that has really removed a lot of the need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► things like Instapaper text you and safaris read review prior to the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► the only thing that has ever been done in web standards for mobile work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► completely different sites wow I guess was the big 10 WA p.m. you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► stood for but it was so that the devices pre iPhone were so primitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► computationally displays are so small that it wasn't even feasible nobody even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► really considered how would we make a dynamic layout that you could just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► one URL one web page and it would look this way on the big monitor this way on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► a smaller monitor in this way on it on a tiny little nobody even thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► that and that's why we still have sites today they have like mobile . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► URLs in the diary direct well and Dan that's a little different diseases like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► type site but still there but anyway let me take a break here I got to thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3459">TS</a>]
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00:58:04 ◼ ► announce the guys behind an app called is America called you bar just like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3484">TS</a>]
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00:58:16 ◼ ► he even says specifically from listeners of the talk show readers during fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3496">TS</a>]
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00:58:34 ◼ ► totally get into this sort of sort of model more on the Windows taskbar so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► you are anybody in your family as switching windows and sort of doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► like the ways that the Mac OS 10 dog isn't like the Windows taskbar you bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► is exactly the sort of thing you should look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3532">TS</a>]
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00:58:59 ◼ ► style design and it's got for power users tons of shortcuts you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► things like hold down CTRL and you can see the CPU and RAM usage for any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► apps that are in there that are running will downshift and you can quit any app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► or close any window from that app just by clicking absolute unresponsive get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► red background so you can spot hanging out immediately you don't have to go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► launch so it's sort of like it's it's adding features from activity monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► right there in the in the taskbar tons and tons of custom customization you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► set the size there's different themes dark and why exactly what you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► think you get the idea when you listen to the you know the idea of the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3578">TS</a>]
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01:00:55 ◼ ► that's his primary that's how he supports himself that he's a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3655">TS</a>]
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01:01:05 ◼ ► mechanical watches so he's actually watching a new timepiece radio show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► called The Mirage is a limited edition of only three hundred pieces each with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► an engraving number on the back he has sent one to me to really really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► take my number is one number I got 10 for something like that really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► style beautiful typography I mean it's like a real serious watch I think price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► 750 bucks so we're talking about this is a joke it looks like us $150 watch it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► really really amazing very very nice it has totally serious strap it made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► company I'm never gonna pronounces right camille for name in Paris it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► blizzard like alligator leather strap they make OEM straps first actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► serious watch companies like Patek Philippe and others it has a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3725">TS</a>]
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01:02:19 ◼ ► really nice it is I get serious dress watch but not addressing that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3739">TS</a>]
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01:02:48 ◼ ► and Canada and it comes in a real watch box again if you've ever bought illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► can see why Charlie even like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► edition watches you know that like $2000 watches most common an icebox fisticuffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► the thing that I can't believe it's not that I can't believe somebody made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► nice watches lots nice watches out there I just can't believe that this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► designed in made it and did all this stuff in machining to actually machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► out the stainless steel frame the lodge and everything as like his hobby it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► absolutely crazy that makes this amazing you borrow my thanks to to them for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► bar which is probably something an awful lot of you ought to go look at it maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► by and for the new Mirage watch which probably isn't going to solve a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► you but for those of you are into watches it absolutely positively worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► looking at all so it's not too big I don't know what I would say if it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► diameter of only 40 millimetres so it's perfectly standard not too big to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► a woman could get away with it like a nice big watch for a woman told enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► size comes in three colors white blue and black so my thanks to check them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► that the craziest part of the craziest fights over that's pretty impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► also I want to give you all my French words to pronounce never any of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► have no idea but perhaps even a tard alright here's the thing I want to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► you why I think you were here is the mistake I think you made with peace and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► I feel guilty about this because I knew over the summer that you were working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► this thing and I i i didnt tested until late the night before something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► that and I feel bad that I didn't cause I would have I would have called you out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► whitelisting the Dacron emphatically and in fact I was confused because I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► swear that the night before when I didn't stop the better I did the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► thing I did was check during fireball I could swear that it did show the ad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► then you told me that there's some flaking is when you first enable these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► things after I think that's what I saw I don't put words in my mouth but here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► you were thinking I'm not I don't care don't want to have a bunch of Philly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► setting so I don't want to have its own thing that says block block all ad block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► most dads block half ads just block the worst ads and they're going to say here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► there's a switch block at and I think you were thinking I would be a hypocrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► if I wait listed the DAC just because that's what my site as in so I'll do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► thing that not being a hypocrite and just include the deck which is mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► which is sort of I i think that by not whitelisting the deck you are committing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► an entirely different form of hypocrisy which is that all everything is content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3953">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► and everything that you publish from archive.org is your your your standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► behind so by publishing ads from the deck by sending them to users your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► implicitly saying this is an ad that's worth you're seeing and it's worth your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► device that you're accessing the site downloading and rendering and putting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► the page so I feel like you you painted yourself into by by releasing peace with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► the deck not be included you have two things you've got a website that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► implicitly saying this is a thing this ad is worth you seen and is OK and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► you have this other thing which is saying this is something that should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► brought and there's no way to square that yeah that's true I mean that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► was part of the problem is that this was this was an unsolvable problem you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4014">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► it was I can I could say that I no longer want any web ads to exist I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► could leave the deck the deck and from a site I could I could try to distinguish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► I could try to differentiate I could say well I'm not allow acceptable ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► we see the problem that causes when other sites try their other bloggers try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► that we see that that's extremely messy and controversial and and I that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► know I don't want to be in that business and you know or I can I can try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► differentiate between well I'm going to block ads but not trackers and repeats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► you like it you can't really make that differentiation because if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► block tracking you have to block almost all ads so it you know and and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► trying to keep up the list of what belongs on the other side of that almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► is is very politically charged it is very subjective it's very messy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► arguable and vague as to what you know what kind of atoms ok what kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► decision is not a tracker what is what it what is tracking include in it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► it's it's such a messy world of vague distinctions and impossible problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► whatever decision you make people are going to disagree with it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► actually the safest most defensible position that a blocker can take is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► his body everything like the head that is the most defensible position that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► think that most of them can take and they just have to own what they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► are and is this is the part I had a problem with like you can't just say I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► gonna block trackers an ominous serve only good you have to hit some people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► in a process of being effective likes some people have to lose and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► them are gonna be good people like the decking and we know all these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► these are good people but if you're saying I'm selling an ad blocker it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► to block the deck and and it's weird and if you if you sell an ad blocker and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► know about the deck and you know the decades ads and you whitelist it or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► you explicitly like goin omitted from your database that once it was already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► there and you're selling people a blocker then you're lying to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► that's why I don't think you should call it an ad blocker I think and I but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► you don't call it a blocker nobody buys it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► at the problem you know it's it's a terrible business I think that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► know that no one would buy it I mean what to do how did you what did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► described it as it said peace block ads and trackers power by guest blog web ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► and records I would have said something to the effective while I wouldn't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► the word crappy but block crappy ads and trackers and think of you know put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► it off the top of my head I can't think of the way I would say that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► would be the gist of what I would get a cross inverted very few words block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► crappy ads and trackers and then that led to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► whitelist and and there are like one of the most popular ones right now and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► one if anybody wants recommendation right now the 1 I'm using is one blogger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► and by the by default one blogger does not block the deck exchanged some emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► with Ben Brooks is doing a lot of work at Brooks reportedly really serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► yeoman's work especially if he's you know he's like restarting his iPhone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► between testing these things just the store to get it to his neutral estate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► and clear the judge was good as you said like the system is buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► energy it's really hard to know for sure with something simple and sometimes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► system like I had to make a test URL that like on pieces website at Estoril [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► that would load and would try to redirect to something that piece blocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► and then would detect whether the redirect succeeded or not a notice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► so like I had his butt in the Abu just test installation and it would like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► WebView for 2nd Ave and tell you what happened but in a very buggy it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► buggy system would i'm looking for in an ad blocker or content blocker on call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► Fri wes is I want one that is fast and noticeably improves the browsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► experience you know I made iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► blocks as much like pernicious stuff like the type of ad that like cover-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► pop up in full-page blocked the page on looking at block stuff like that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► block the debt by the fall and that's it and nobody agrees on where that line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4303">TS</a>]
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01:11:56 ◼ ► other way to look at it is no no ad blockers going to be perfect absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► not detained and even if it you could say right now at this moment as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► submitted to the App Store I think it's close to perfect as I can get it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► terms of what it blocks and what it doesn't by next week that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► different because some of the people you block are going to find workarounds some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► of the ones you don't might clean up their policies it's it's fully dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► but what I would but I would suggest and when I really think is possible and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► I think for example one blogger right now is evidence of is that what you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► to do is pick which side of perfection you're going to be on are you gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► as your blocker going to be on the side of letting through some stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► probably should be blocked or is it gonna be on the side of erring on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► side of blocking some stuff that shouldn't be blocked and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► possible I think it's possible to build an ad blocker or content blog or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► whatever you wanna call it that isn't over aggressive and so therefore erred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► on the side of maybe there will be some things they get through that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► wish to get through but that overall gives you a really fast browsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► experience in blocks most of the stuff you want and doesn't punish people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► are doing it the right way and are serving things that shouldn't be bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► I think that possible in one blogger is is the best proof of it today that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► could be done but the fact is that was amazing to me is that in Ben Brooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► testing and he's I think he's up to like 32 these I was content blockers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► he's tracked in his testing one blogger isn't just fast it's the fastest and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► know where peace was taken peace out of that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► the only one that faster is it was roughly in the middle when he still had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/4416">TS</a>]
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01:26:40 ◼ ► badly designed toaster ovens out there he takes it totally serious as of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► it does it's a fantastic but it must be nice I enjoy when I'm done it is quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5207">TS</a>]
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01:26:57 ◼ ► I've gotten better at it and I enjoy it because I've gotten to the point now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► where I feel like it's a game or I'm trying to keep people from hitting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► 32nd skip really and if you do if you know you know it is what it is and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► know it finding it was a tad blocking right i mean the ties into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► similar it's it's like that it's not quite the same but very similar it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► it's a niche in the ballpark for her I actually saw somebody on Twitter in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► at at peak peace controversy think that's so funny that I think it was such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► a good name for a blocker think it's so funny that the way that it played out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► was so peaceful for you but I saw somebody who who tweeted something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► the effect of its actually pretty clear idea that somebody who rides a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► client did you know any given episode of a show if you tracked people's use of 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5273">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► seconds kept you could probably very easily pinpoint where the sponsor breaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► are new episodes right and and you know this is like I thought this feature two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► years ago I think everybody who has made a podcast app has taught us feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► especially ones Amazon launched their shared highlights for Kindles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► is very similar to that you know it's like you can attract highlight and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► things get however a lot you can say is important and you can default to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► them where you could in a podcast app yeah you could track what's being scared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► and sections are pockets are skipped a lot you can have an option to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► automatically just skip them and first of all you know it would be hard to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► that work very well in a way that would annoy people and that would be obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► what's happening but second of all I think like I've talked to other podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► app makers and mentioned this before and everyone else is the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► thought which is I don't want to do that to podcasting because I know like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► would be weird by nature hurt podcasting and I don't want to do that I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► and I i feel like i I thought the other thing is that it's it's so respectful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► you know it's just time you know and it's you know I have gone before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► summer episodes just because I've fallen way behind a weekly schedule but very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► long and so I absolutely ice to stick to never more than one and a half hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► which I feel like it's pretty fair and compares extremely favorably to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► terrestrial radio oh my god and not even close and even compares I think very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► the Howard Stern Show on serious like amy amy is a huge howard stern fan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► she still annoyed by the fact that the whole thing that hit structure is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5391">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► as we can tell the whole lot of very expensive and I don't know why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► in history own airfare expensive I bought them before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► well but from their perspective in the aggregate there I'm not saying it is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5408">TS</a>]
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01:30:17 ◼ ► paid salary if it wasn't for that I don't know I disagree you think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► go you think I paid less for a live read on his show then what you and I charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► for live radar shows right now so many serious and amazing you got you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's still alive read that's why it's valuable was really great it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► was a really cool thing but anyway I just feel like that again its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► negotiation and I'm sure there are people out there listening right now who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► even though I told them not to get the thirty second thing during the Broward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► thing before and they're probably gonna hit on some of the ones that I'm about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► to do and that's ok I mean you know but my job but I feel like I've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► better enough doing this and i feel like im still attracting interesting enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► group of sponsors that it's a fun game for me when I do to try to keno you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► I am i doing I'm imagining a listener with his dumb hovering over the thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► seconds kept trying to keep pressing or at least only avenue president yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► there's some value in it like for example I will I'll break right into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► right now and here's one that I bet somebody but a fair number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► with 30 seconds kept because they are here almost every single week at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5495">TS</a>]
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01:31:48 ◼ ► sponsor the show all the time and the reason I keep coming back is cos you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► guys out there keep buying pictures from them so you're probably familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5513">TS</a>]
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01:32:02 ◼ ► photo of a pin on the back of the class it's right there on the glass not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5522">TS</a>]
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01:32:19 ◼ ► photo and then it comes back to you and it's all nice and ready to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► they do have that she have a special message that they want me to get across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► it's only October 1st is a record clearly a big part of fractures market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► is gifts people buying photos for gifts and obviously the holiday season is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► October 1st does not sound like it's close to the holidays nobody's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► think holiday decorations seem to go up earlier and earlier in retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► usually people this way to holding a pumpkin spice season right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► yeah exactly gotta wait till pumpkin spice goes away but fracture want me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► remind you that they do get backed up at the holidays and so this might be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► way to does knock out a couple of your Christmas gifts a really really early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► and not worry about cutting it close in getting caught behind because that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► the end of December they actually can't keep up and you can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► last-minute get in time for Christmas because they're so so busy so think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► about it think about the people who might want to give a fracture image 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► the holidays and get it over with now just do it and you'll feel better you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► know you have you know someone in your office boxes packed up you've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► got some your Christmas gifts knocked out ready to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► really is a good gift we do it every year i I can't even imagine until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► fracture isn't even around anymore I can imagine it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► holiday seasons gonna go by we don't get some of these for some of the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► our family really really great stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► where do you go to find out more their website is fracture me.com and their URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5631">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► code is daring fireball and if you've never ordered from them before use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5641">TS</a>]
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01:34:14 ◼ ► if you listen to the show if you like a Markov and you could use the code ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► and you'll stay the same amount and you give the the Mojo 22 the accident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► change used to be a TV right or did they think I think in 2015 I think it became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► me to be there any way you could even water that you know their responses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► before 2015 have been long-term sponsors anyway it's all good they're a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► company with a truly truly great product and you know if you've ever wondered why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► in the world do they keep sponsoring these podcasts I swear it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► people keep buying the fractures from them so keep it up and it really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► can't say enough about the gift couple weeks ago about to another one they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► great gifts yeah you get you do get concerned most of the people in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► family probably don't listen to podcast just like mine said they have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► and when they see them they really is like a hole like wow how did the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► did you make this and you know you could tell it fractured meed.com and I i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► severe gift-giving anxiety every year and to have it to have an easy solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► that's kinda like a go to think I don't know what to get someone in my family I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► can get them a cute picture of you know my grandparents or my kid or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► you know that works out well I don't know why I'm always envious of your ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► reads UN hello internet I think do the best live read like her as bass turds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► those cases they aren't a frustratingly good that actually cuz it again i said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► do I don't like I listen to yours because I want to see how you do it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5747">TS</a>]
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01:35:58 ◼ ► it is cuz I die I want to keep it fresh for people who aren't skipping I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► want to say the same thing every time the Hello energized god they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► good at it like it's frustrating enough that their podcast so good in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► but that they also just kill it on the ad reads and that they require like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► always wanted to try recording the ads separately from the show and dropping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► them in afterwards because I don't like doing it during the show because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► makes me pay attention to something else during the show rather than what my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► co-stars talking about and like I always have my mind right now I'm going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► loaded up on screen maybe read a couple times first like and i'm having to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► all that as Casey or John are talking about something that and so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► listening to them i'm looking at an ad and so they feel it makes the show worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5802">TS</a>]
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01:36:51 ◼ ► i've i've been given serious thought the exact same thing and I might play with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5811">TS</a>]
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01:37:09 ◼ ► and everyone notices like it is very obvious like this is recorded at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/5829">TS</a>]
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01:41:45 ◼ ► episodes they should have recorded some and in force myself to listen to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6105">TS</a>]
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01:42:04 ◼ ► learned it necessarily anyway the thing that really got me was the last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6124">TS</a>]
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01:44:04 ◼ ► and its early combination begin with they also both have good voices yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6244">TS</a>]
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01:50:09 ◼ ► context where people listen to the talk show so you can just email read some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6609">TS</a>]
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01:50:32 ◼ ► like to try to try to look at the stats just to see if an article is unusually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6632">TS</a>]
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01:50:48 ◼ ► tracking and see if I'm getting an unusual amount of traffic from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► other popular place for cider tweet you know but in terms of like knowing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► about the audience i know i dont wanna know that like even even like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6658">TS</a>]
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01:51:11 ◼ ► the Apple fucking high ground thing after that went crazy I realized that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► like there was a day like I I just turned off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► analytics for the site during a just kinda like I don't want to be motivated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► by this anymore and it's kind of like if you if you forgot a vacation and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► start checking Twitter for a while and then you have such a massive pileup that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► you can't keep up with you guessed it scroll to top and you realize like oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► didn't read Twitter for like three or four days and I missed nothing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► importance of eye-opening well I had a similar kind of thing with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► analytics on my website where I ran first meant for a while and Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► and eventually I realized when I turned it off for a little while after the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6715">TS</a>]
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01:52:04 ◼ ► turned it off for a while and I realized I didn't miss it at all and and part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► that is a luxury that we have that you know we don't need to really know our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► day-to-day pageviews the deck bills in advance for PC is basically and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► are paid a flat rate by the deck based on the general amount of traffic that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► tend to have gotten over the last 20 years or whatever like my race for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► deck hasn't changed in years and because my traffic as you know about the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► and it isn't if I write something that gets all of a sudden a million page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► views out of the blue I'm not going to see a dime for that Tech has pre-sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► the the ads for that and so they aren't seeing a dime for it and that's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► I so we have no incentive to like temporarily juice pageviews or right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► things are going to get temporary traffic really and and so the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► reason I would really need to run a web analytics of any kind is what you'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► for me to know ago where's traffic coming from and where you know what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► do I write that gets meaningful numbers compared to anything else i right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► what I realized was that that information was not beneficial to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► life or my work it it was all it was doing was like being another vanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► metric second the reality is twitter is a vanity metric now anyway and I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► stop checking that as well but I still do like I will check the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► retweets that like whenever a blog post about it also saw check with number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► retweets that God and I have some ideas like oh well this one got to this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► got forty so obviously that resonated with more people but the actual web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► advertiser web tracking that level for everything I've decided that's no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► thing that that I need to care about and so i dont wanna yeah I like to know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► of the user agent stuff and I can get this out of my server logs it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6834">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► that and that's one thing I've been talking about getting rid of Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► Analytics I'm going to get seriously just a matter of days they just do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► tomorrow and mainly because I think that it's private invasive and I i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► think that it's wrong of me to to be using Google and they have a very opaque [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► privacy policy that as i've read it and I've done this over the years I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► using Google Analytics for years and there was a whole year to period where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► stopped using it and I missed some data like what percentage of my users are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► using which browser and what percentage of them are on iOS vs Mac OS vs other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► operating systems and there's ways to get that without using analytics but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► Google just hooking up Google Analytics was the easiest way to do it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► felt bad because a lot of my long-term stats were entirely out of whack because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► I had this fourteen-month period right shut it off but I've read their private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:02 ◼ ► the privacy issue is the main thing that makes me want to shut it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► above and beyond anything else is that I can't shake the suspicion that Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► using the cookies this set for Google to track the people who read during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► fireball across the web and using it for advertising even I don't use any Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► advertising and if you read their privacy policy attempt to me at least to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:23 ◼ ► me it's a reading of foreign language and it's the way that I'm I'm amazed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6923">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► impressed by attorneys who who write the contracts that run the whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► because I think I'm a good reader I've always tested high terms of reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► comprehension I read most most contracts and I might as well be written in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► form I don't understand anything I don't understand what is going on in Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► privacy policy for analytics is to me that type of privacy policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► I understand what each of the words mean in in the aggregate I have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► it means and I've come to the conclusion that if you don't understand what our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► privacy policy means you should do your worst assumptions are probably right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► any know you're right that he'll buy by having Google Analytics on your site you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► are selling your visitors data to Google without their knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► land it's one of the things like it's kind of uncomfortable like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► a lot of things and and web publishing and advertising if you actually face it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► if you actually think about all the ramifications of that and you face the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► truth of that you face the reality of that it is uncomfortable and it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► have to you know you have to wait as decision of do I keep using this for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► utility that provides or do I take a principled stand and and and accept the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► cost of that so Google Analytics gives you information like how many people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► in what country and even like within the USA what state like how many you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► and and unsurprisingly by side is largely us' lot of people in the UK lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► of people in Germany Germany's always been the third country but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► already down at a very low percentage and everybody else is spread around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:04 ◼ ► world and then within the U S 200 people in the northeast coast most of them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7024">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► california and most of them in California largely centered in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► northern part of California you know exactly who you think I don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► Google Analytics to tell me that though and I find it weird and I just wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► how the hell did they know that and I know there's ways to go back from IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► addresses and stuff like that but I just can't help but worry that part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► that if you're logged in to Google from Gmail and then you go over to a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► a vineyard fireball that they're they're saying all we know Marco lives in New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► York because we know everything about Marco and we've already got a cookie on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7058">TS</a>]
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01:57:48 ◼ ► uniquely identify somebody between sites on the web like you can just play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► analyzing some very basic stuff about the request and even if they block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► almost every kind of add you know if if they come to your site a couple times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7077">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► and if they know you couldn't you can just kind of match even if their IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► change you can just match like somebody's approximate zip code by using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► IP lookup and match that with like the request headers at their browser send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► which include at the browsers version but the exact version the OS exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► and stuff like that maybe something like if it has certain plugins than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► plug-in version looks like Pfizer Java like oh those are all in the in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► the header of requests so if you just take a couple of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► couple of data points you could you need to identify people surprisingly quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► like with only two or three different points of that kind of set so you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► is is very much like if you give him an extra ticket foot like you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► very careful what you allow on your site if you want to actually be productive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► people's privacy and you have to be aware as a visitor that you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► might think you're that you have more privacy but in reality you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► inadvertently leaking data all over the place to everybody who's willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7137">TS</a>]
01:59:01 ◼ ► capture it and it's and you might not care most people don't think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7141">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► and they they might not care if you told them but especially young people tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► not to care but certainly if your privacy minded you have to be incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► wary of what you like it because you know they can they can do so much for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► little if you go if you're logged in to Google Analytics I'd I was here and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► go to the bottom I don't maybe they have a separate one but when you go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► Privacy Policy it just takes you to Google's main privacy policy which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► for you know everything that Google does so it's just I don't even know if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► what they mean you know like what I want to know is a publisher is what are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:49 ◼ ► readers being exposed to hear what's being tracked about them in it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7189">TS</a>]
01:59:53 ◼ ► doesn't seem like there's any good way to get that answer or if there is I I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7193">TS</a>]
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02:00:02 ◼ ► gotta get rid of it I'm sure there's other ways I can do it and there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► the system I'm thinking about installing is called pipi work by Wikipedia i Wik [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► yes that's a pretty common yeah I'm not quite sure what information is in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► that just a quick whatever it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► is that its like men and that it's locally stored and so I would be running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► it my own copy of it on my server storing my copy of the stats in my SQL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► database and it's there are no cookies that are shared across other sites or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► anything like that would track you all it is is knowledge of what people coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► to my site do so there'd be nothing privacy invasive about it at all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► than the fact that you are a person who is reading my site which you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► obviously do know some of the stats though that I don't know what that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► but some of the stuff like that is interesting and I will miss but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► miss it enough to keep using Google Analytics is like the number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7257">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► using which browser and how many people use which operating system stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► that in some of that you can get to the user agent but a lot of it you you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► JavaScript to get things like like you know whether it has a screen or not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► I think so much that stuff is just becoming so irrelevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► like what what would you actually do with information you know most of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► well any other factors that I don't like I truly do believe I gotta say it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► and over again if there's a theme of this episode it's everything you publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► on your site is content and counts and so I don't want JavaScript executing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► that setting getting the bounds of the screen at a waste of CPU time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7293">TS</a>]
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02:06:23 ◼ ► have a print-based interaction with the company that handling your age are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/7583">TS</a>]
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02:15:46 ◼ ► patient just letting you listen to stuff right away and said i download the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8146">TS</a>]
02:15:50 ◼ ► episode it's really more of like a just play just it's a good just play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8150">TS</a>]
02:15:55 ◼ ► interface so whether you care about stream if you think you care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8155">TS</a>]
02:15:58 ◼ ► streaming Pakistan not if you've ever been frustrated because you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8158">TS</a>]
02:16:02 ◼ ► start playing something but it didn't download in the background it just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8162">TS</a>]
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02:16:20 ◼ ► to be a big deal I i didnt even including 1.0 because I knew that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8180">TS</a>]
02:16:24 ◼ ► would need it I heard from so many people who said please don't work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8184">TS</a>]
02:16:28 ◼ ► that please do other things because I don't care about streaming and granted I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8188">TS</a>]
02:16:33 ◼ ► heard from way more people who said I won't use this until it has streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8193">TS</a>]
02:16:37 ◼ ► which was you know the more common in motion by far but a lot of people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8197">TS</a>]
02:16:43 ◼ ► keep saying I don't need it I will never use it but the reality is it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8203">TS</a>]
02:16:47 ◼ ► nice to have for those times when you know what you said an episode just came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8207">TS</a>]
02:16:51 ◼ ► out or just came in you guys got you saved it and you want to start listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8211">TS</a>]
02:16:54 ◼ ► to it right now and podcast can be you know 5800 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8214">TS</a>]
02:16:58 ◼ ► bags and not every si tienes fast and not every connection that you might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8218">TS</a>]
02:17:02 ◼ ► this fast and so a lot of times you know if you if you have to wait for the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8222">TS</a>]
02:17:06 ◼ ► podcast download you know it might take ten twenty seconds are my take five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8226">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► 10 minutes no matter what it takes is fueling an eternity as you're sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:14 ◼ ► there watching this stupid down than 1% 2% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8234">TS</a>]
02:17:18 ◼ ► oh my god I wanna listen to it now and so like streaming really makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8238">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► everything a little bit better and it and it enables a bunch of little stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:26 ◼ ► like it enables me to although I haven't done this yet to put the put a play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8246">TS</a>]
02:17:32 ◼ ► button on the notifications for new episodes that you can just start playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8252">TS</a>]
02:17:35 ◼ ► immediately and stuff like that just like there are so many new little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8255">TS</a>]
02:17:39 ◼ ► that it makes possible and so many old things that makes better cuz right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8259">TS</a>]
02:17:42 ◼ ► with streaming now you can just as long as you are connected somehow you can tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8262">TS</a>]
02:17:46 ◼ ► on any episode any list whether you have it or not and it started to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8266">TS</a>]
02:17:51 ◼ ► playing and it's one of those things worse again the absolutist position it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8271">TS</a>]
02:17:57 ◼ ► just doesn't work in software design where you wana sale nope no settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8277">TS</a>]
02:18:01 ◼ ► the app gonna make all the choices for the user and doing right way or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8281">TS</a>]
02:18:05 ◼ ► could say everything should be configurable and and the user's be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8285">TS</a>]
02:18:08 ◼ ► to configure everything on both of those extremes are absurd and if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8288">TS</a>]
02:18:13 ◼ ► you're sticking to them you're fooling yourself the right way to think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8293">TS</a>]
02:18:16 ◼ ► is you do have kinda have to pick which side of the 50 yard line gonna be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8296">TS</a>]
02:18:20 ◼ ► this sort of app where you're going to default to not offering options and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8300">TS</a>]
02:18:26 ◼ ► configurability and maybe you know you'll wind up not having enough options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8306">TS</a>]
02:18:32 ◼ ► are you gonna default to saying yes to most things and having options for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8312">TS</a>]
02:18:38 ◼ ► things and you know you're going to wind up with a complex number of settings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8318">TS</a>]
02:18:42 ◼ ► and you know one way or the other you know you're gonna disappoint some users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8322">TS</a>]
02:18:47 ◼ ► I clearly you Marco Arment err on the side of not offering too many options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8327">TS</a>]
02:18:54 ◼ ► stuff that you build I mean and peace was canonical example of that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8334">TS</a>]
02:19:00 ◼ ► have to you talk to others and ATP there have to be some settings for streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8340">TS</a>]
02:19:04 ◼ ► because it's different people have it around the world even maybe even within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8344">TS</a>]
02:19:09 ◼ ► the country even just in the united states have incredibly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8349">TS</a>]
02:19:13 ◼ ► situations with intolerant levels for data charges right there's people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8353">TS</a>]
02:19:20 ◼ ► are living in countries where you know they're they're online database you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8360">TS</a>]
02:19:25 ◼ ► their online data is still measured in megabytes not gigabyte or people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8365">TS</a>]
02:19:31 ◼ ► traveling internationally and on an international data plan and you measured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8371">TS</a>]
02:19:36 ◼ ► in megabytes and gigabytes what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8376">TS</a>]
02:19:38 ◼ ► 25 megabyte data plan you cannot download an episode of the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8378">TS</a>]
02:19:43 ◼ ► over cellular unless you wanna pay overage charges but then there's plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8383">TS</a>]
02:19:48 ◼ ► of other people who have unlimited data or virtually unlimited data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8388">TS</a>]
02:19:52 ◼ ► you know with you know 15 or 20 gigabytes a month and a hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8392">TS</a>]
02:19:56 ◼ ► fifty megabyte podcast is no big deal and they want to download it there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8396">TS</a>]
02:20:00 ◼ ► they have to be settings and the funny thing is like going back to our earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8400">TS</a>]
02:20:03 ◼ ► conversation I i really sweat a lot of the details around this stuff to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8403">TS</a>]
02:20:07 ◼ ► minimize data transfer meanwhile you view a couple of web pages on a big site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8407">TS</a>]
02:20:13 ◼ ► and that's as much the podcast episode it is it's some of the defect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8413">TS</a>]
02:20:20 ◼ ► people are measuring these things now I've always known things are big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8420">TS</a>]
02:20:23 ◼ ► that some sites are obviously serving too much data compared to what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8423">TS</a>]
02:20:29 ◼ ► something I if it's an article I just want to read it should not be measured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8429">TS</a>]
02:20:32 ◼ ► in megabytes but now that people are actually measuring it while they test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8432">TS</a>]
02:20:37 ◼ ► this content blockers it was like holy crap no wonder when I was in Ireland for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8437">TS</a>]
02:20:42 ◼ ► all that I mowed through my hundred megabytes data plan of while I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8442">TS</a>]
02:20:48 ◼ ► you know conservative with how much I used my phone I thought you know hey I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8448">TS</a>]
02:20:56 ◼ ► just glad I just read a couple articles on Techmeme and see if there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8456">TS</a>]
02:20:59 ◼ ► new going on the 101 page on the verge load 7 megabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8459">TS</a>]
02:21:04 ◼ ► yeah you see all these all these reports are like pages seven megs 9:30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8464">TS</a>]
02:21:10 ◼ ► megabus.com likes some create it's like a podcast episode is like 30 to 50 megs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8470">TS</a>]
02:21:16 ◼ ► usually like that's that's eight ten web pages maybe it's not that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8476">TS</a>]
02:21:23 ◼ ► scared it's really scary and really said venue ASOS dreaming I dunno I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8483">TS</a>]
02:21:28 ◼ ► actually offered by offering very few options on we'll see how it plays out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8488">TS</a>]
02:21:33 ◼ ► again and you can't use the absolute positions never work as always gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8493">TS</a>]
02:21:37 ◼ ► realities and also market pressures that said in so I'm trying to have as few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8497">TS</a>]
02:21:43 ◼ ► settings possible to still make it good but of course everyone's trying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8503">TS</a>]
02:21:48 ◼ ► everyone I can't trust that live in different places I think the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8508">TS</a>]
02:21:52 ◼ ► thing is to try to avoid surprise right now with the way it works right now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8512">TS</a>]
02:21:59 ◼ ► probably going to ship is if you choose to stream something it will always allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8519">TS</a>]
02:22:05 ◼ ► it to use cellular in that case and the rationale there is that will that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8525">TS</a>]
02:22:10 ◼ ► everything else works you know if you let a web page it doesn't ask it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8530">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► say waiting for WiFi you know it's just if you click on a link to load a webpage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8534">TS</a>]
02:22:18 ◼ ► it just loads it by whatever connection has available and if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8538">TS</a>]
02:22:22 ◼ ► restrict apps tonight you so you can do that globally in settings you can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8542">TS</a>]
02:22:26 ◼ ► per app you can go to overcast in the system so you can say just never let us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8546">TS</a>]
02:22:31 ◼ ► have to use any sort of like the switch right there you can do a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8551">TS</a>]
02:22:34 ◼ ► do and so all I have to do is I don't have to cover the case of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8554">TS</a>]
02:22:39 ◼ ► want the app to use no cell data does the system covers that I have to cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8559">TS</a>]
02:22:44 ◼ ► the case of people who want to use it sometimes or or want to use it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8564">TS</a>]
02:22:50 ◼ ► and so the way everything else works web pages more importantly stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8570">TS</a>]
02:22:56 ◼ ► YouTube if you was obviously massive that is the entire internet too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8576">TS</a>]
02:23:01 ◼ ► people like your son and lots of other people in the world but that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8581">TS</a>]
02:23:05 ◼ ► deal you know YouTube if you are on cellular data and you long to YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8585">TS</a>]
02:23:12 ◼ ► thing and go view of your YouTube video it just plays it it streams it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8592">TS</a>]
02:23:16 ◼ ► plays it over Celta that's fine if you go play a song these days you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8596">TS</a>]
02:23:20 ◼ ► probably playing off cell data of people listening to songs like the idea of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8600">TS</a>]
02:23:26 ◼ ► having to like prompt the user or make a lot of granular settings for when do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8606">TS</a>]
02:23:31 ◼ ► sell data i think is outdated and and so now I think I can get away with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8611">TS</a>]
02:23:37 ◼ ► current options that I have which is literally a just ahead on streaming cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8617">TS</a>]
02:23:42 ◼ ► you initiate that by you the user said play this now and so in my opinion then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8622">TS</a>]
02:23:47 ◼ ► you don't have to ask are you sure you have played over Celtic is your son Eric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8627">TS</a>]
02:23:52 ◼ ► know these days you know what year is this you play it now and then the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8632">TS</a>]
02:23:57 ◼ ► option I have is whether automatic background downloads should use cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8637">TS</a>]
02:24:01 ◼ ► began its default off so that's the army back on down will default to wi-fi only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8641">TS</a>]
02:24:07 ◼ ► because in that case it's like well you didn't initiate this came in outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8647">TS</a>]
02:24:12 ◼ ► your control could come in the middle of the night you when you were asleep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8652">TS</a>]
02:24:16 ◼ ► your iPad download entire episode of Mad Men and burn through your whole heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8656">TS</a>]
02:24:19 ◼ ► present get that could have happened so you know that that is a preference to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8659">TS</a>]
02:24:25 ◼ ► that is like ok do do you have so much data that you always want the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8665">TS</a>]
02:24:30 ◼ ► app to use much of it as it needs to do or do you want to be easily used on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8670">TS</a>]
02:24:36 ◼ ► demand that seems about right that seems right let the automatic stuff still wifi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8676">TS</a>]
02:24:40 ◼ ► let the user initiated tough play yeah and you know you're never going to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8680">TS</a>]
02:24:45 ◼ ► some is going to complain but I think in general it's actually your logic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8685">TS</a>]
02:24:52 ◼ ► completely corrected if the user hit play and they have a working network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8692">TS</a>]
02:24:56 ◼ ► connection they mean play right that's how I know podcast apps historically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8696">TS</a>]
02:25:01 ◼ ► have not worked that way always like they've offered we're going to control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8701">TS</a>]
02:25:04 ◼ ► but I'm not see I'm not looking at what other podcast after doing to solve this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8704">TS</a>]
02:25:07 ◼ ► problem i'm looking at what other apps are doing not pocket like just what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8707">TS</a>]
02:25:11 ◼ ► people expect based on the reality of other apt existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8711">TS</a>]
02:25:15 ◼ ► Universe Today and what that is these days is a lot of streaming media and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8715">TS</a>]
02:25:19 ◼ ► and it just use a cellular when it needs to ask you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8719">TS</a>]
02:25:22 ◼ ► yeah I think part of it too is that things have changed so quickly and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8722">TS</a>]
02:25:25 ◼ ► few years and that streaming in general is just become a huge phenomenon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8725">TS</a>]
02:25:31 ◼ ► podcasting started back in the name even says you know it's the iPad iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8731">TS</a>]
02:25:37 ◼ ► broadcasting from a time when you downloaded stuff first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8737">TS</a>]
02:25:42 ◼ ► USB and that it was a big deal and they had cast episode ratings you had to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8742">TS</a>]
02:25:49 ◼ ► for while they downloaded cuz they were big whereas you know it's not that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8749">TS</a>]
02:25:55 ◼ ► anymore and you know most people are an awful lot of people have cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8755">TS</a>]
02:25:58 ◼ ► network connections that handle it easily as they can handle video video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8758">TS</a>]
02:26:02 ◼ ► and audio easily exactly you know so and there was also a implementation details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8762">TS</a>]
02:26:08 ◼ ► that were tricky problems like one of them is if you're on cellular how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8768">TS</a>]
02:26:13 ◼ ► should the streamer read ahead of the file like should should just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8773">TS</a>]
02:26:18 ◼ ► downloading tool has the whole thing or should only buffer ahead like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8778">TS</a>]
02:26:22 ◼ ► minutes worth at a time you know and and so on and the decision came to on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8782">TS</a>]
02:26:27 ◼ ► is it reaches down as much as I can never feel like it so if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8787">TS</a>]
02:26:33 ◼ ► start an episode of playing over cellular in streaming it will download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8793">TS</a>]
02:26:38 ◼ ► as much as I can until the connection drops or until it finishes the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8798">TS</a>]
02:26:41 ◼ ► that's because any other solution that I thought of and tried would fail in other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8801">TS</a>]
02:26:47 ◼ ► ways like it would it would be inconvenient or annoying I wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8807">TS</a>]
02:26:50 ◼ ► what I wanted into situations and the fact is an entire podcast episode I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/8810">TS</a>]
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02:40:23 ◼ ► maybe he'll continue believe that they're doing better on software quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9623">TS</a>]
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02:42:04 ◼ ► rules were in place people teams will do whatever they could within the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9724">TS</a>]
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02:42:22 ◼ ► worry that Apple is is putting all this emphasis internally on metrics I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9742">TS</a>]
02:42:28 ◼ ► what they're missing and because we we've seen already you know with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9748">TS</a>]
02:42:33 ◼ ► high ground than we've seen that there are things that missing and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9753">TS</a>]
02:42:36 ◼ ► need to be shown that sometimes from the outside and and part of the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9756">TS</a>]
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02:43:21 ◼ ► to always reluctant to these things they they might even ask they might they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9801">TS</a>]
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02:43:28 ◼ ► let us have location services enabled on this device even if you said it already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9808">TS</a>]
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02:45:15 ◼ ► updated anything on my printer that's for damn sure the printer hasn't changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9915">TS</a>]
02:45:19 ◼ ► at all that never gets reported that Apple that never get there is no crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9919">TS</a>]
02:45:24 ◼ ► log they get sent there is no I you know syria heard John cursing in his office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9924">TS</a>]
02:45:29 ◼ ► about the printer that never heard it doesn't register right as a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9929">TS</a>]
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02:45:40 ◼ ► have to be like hey guys this is a shitshow this Apple TV keeps calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9940">TS</a>]
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02:45:55 ◼ ► on point and yet he wasn't always perfect but his track record was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9955">TS</a>]
02:45:58 ◼ ► good in playing it by feel and and so you know when when you move to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9958">TS</a>]
02:46:03 ◼ ► metric system you have to both a makes you know you have to be on the lookout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9963">TS</a>]
02:46:07 ◼ ► for gaming and try to reduce it or eliminate incentives for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9967">TS</a>]
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02:46:20 ◼ ► include what what where the blind spots of these metrics of these metrics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9980">TS</a>]
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02:46:33 ◼ ► measuring their their beloved customer sat in ways that that showed the 16 gig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/9993">TS</a>]
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02:46:45 ◼ ► have a have way more data than we do so they could be right that could be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10005">TS</a>]
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02:47:19 ◼ ► and relatives who have 16 gig phones and and like I love like one under for David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10039">TS</a>]
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02:47:30 ◼ ► actual broad data set from people who aren't all nerds who have you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10050">TS</a>]
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02:50:49 ◼ ► not their fault they that this is the bottom gets people like you say people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10249">TS</a>]
02:50:54 ◼ ► know there's people just people who are out there its rage swearing at us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10254">TS</a>]
02:50:57 ◼ ► listening to the podcast saying you know my company by 16 just fine because we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10257">TS</a>]
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02:51:08 ◼ ► enterprise but don't sell them in retail stores to consumers because underscores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10268">TS</a>]
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02:51:31 ◼ ► available which is really really some of them have you know really low under one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10291">TS</a>]
02:51:37 ◼ ► gigabyte but if you don't even have one gigabyte available you're really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10297">TS</a>]
02:51:41 ◼ ► trouble for a lot of little things like a lot of things just aren't failing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10301">TS</a>]
02:51:45 ◼ ► that point I like having the room to download a hundred and fifty megabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10305">TS</a>]
02:51:49 ◼ ► podcast that you wanna listen to or to record video like the thing that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10309">TS</a>]
02:51:53 ◼ ► showed that his wife got when she took up the camera and she could not record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10313">TS</a>]
02:51:56 ◼ ► video because there wasn't enough space and you know it it really meant the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10316">TS</a>]
02:52:03 ◼ ► other thing you look at his stats is so the next step up now 64 and you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10323">TS</a>]
02:52:08 ◼ ► how many people with 64 gigabytes of storage problems and it's effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10328">TS</a>]
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02:52:17 ◼ ► various tipsters some of us have no credibility heard rumblings that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10337">TS</a>]
02:52:22 ◼ ► are finally going to fix this next year and with the iPhone seven it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10342">TS</a>]
02:52:30 ◼ ► I worry though but by the time if they ever move up to 32 maybe that's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10350">TS</a>]
02:52:36 ◼ ► too small but you know cuz you know the point of this it's very much like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10356">TS</a>]
02:52:42 ◼ ► when you're designing a nap with a pay wall and I have never guessed you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10362">TS</a>]
02:52:46 ◼ ► when you're doing that with a payroll of some sort whether it's a free trial with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10366">TS</a>]
02:52:50 ◼ ► you know shareware style unlock all features whatever the idea is to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10370">TS</a>]
02:52:57 ◼ ► that wall and at a threshold sucks that you're creating a small pain point for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10377">TS</a>]
02:53:02 ◼ ► people so that they won't like frustratingly quickly wrap and sable as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10382">TS</a>]
02:53:07 ◼ ► you can even try it but you have to create that pain that pain point at such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10387">TS</a>]
02:53:12 ◼ ► a place where most people will reasonably run into it a few times and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10392">TS</a>]
02:53:17 ◼ ► good percentage of those people will run into it enough that it pushes them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10397">TS</a>]
02:53:21 ◼ ► motivates them into paying and I use the term pain point here intentionally get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10401">TS</a>]
02:53:27 ◼ ► it this is like you're causing inconvenience or you're making people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10407">TS</a>]
02:53:32 ◼ ► like a wallet unpleasant they want to go past because if you don't do that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10412">TS</a>]
02:53:36 ◼ ► are too generous with what you give away for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10416">TS</a>]
02:53:40 ◼ ► effectively nobody buys it is one of the things like absent have ads by default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10420">TS</a>]
02:53:45 ◼ ► and you can pay to remove the ads historically those have very very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10425">TS</a>]
02:53:49 ◼ ► payment rates almost no you know effectively almost nobody pays to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10429">TS</a>]
02:53:53 ◼ ► at me too but we're weird you know most people are just like well okay I'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10433">TS</a>]
02:53:59 ◼ ► the end like that isn't enough pain point or if you say like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10439">TS</a>]
02:54:04 ◼ ► suppose you're I suppose with overcast if I said well in order to subscribe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10444">TS</a>]
02:54:10 ◼ ► more than 33 podcast you have to unlock the the pay thing well most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10450">TS</a>]
02:54:16 ◼ ► subscribe to like to podcasts or one-and-a-half podcast something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10456">TS</a>]
02:54:19 ◼ ► average so far they would even hit that and then I would create this horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10459">TS</a>]
02:54:25 ◼ ► for people not to try out new show so so like that that's why I don't limit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10465">TS</a>]
02:54:30 ◼ ► the things but I don't get that and so you know with apple and when their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10470">TS</a>]
02:54:36 ◼ ► pricing their products when they're designing the tears of deciding what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10476">TS</a>]
02:54:40 ◼ ► what the storage tiers or whatever the the product lines you know where does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10480">TS</a>]
02:54:44 ◼ ► the mini run into the air wearers the air now into the Pro we're on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10484">TS</a>]
02:54:48 ◼ ► MacBooks how do you know where the size boundaries lie and what capabilities do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10488">TS</a>]
02:54:51 ◼ ► you have to move up to get at each stage like all these things are designed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10491">TS</a>]
02:54:56 ◼ ► try to place those those barriers in those limits and those boundary between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10496">TS</a>]
02:55:00 ◼ ► classes between price levels try to place them at a point where you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10500">TS</a>]
02:55:05 ◼ ► to capture a lot more value from a lot of people who are going to hit those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10505">TS</a>]
02:55:09 ◼ ► barriers and are going to want to push past about paying you more money that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10509">TS</a>]
02:55:13 ◼ ► the whole point if they if if Apple did their job badly they would give away too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10513">TS</a>]
02:55:18 ◼ ► much for free that the low it but Apple trust do their job well and they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10518">TS</a>]
02:55:22 ◼ ► very good that most of the time so when I like these these storage tiers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10522">TS</a>]
02:55:28 ◼ ► designed specifically to maximize that look at the iPad and iPad pro I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10528">TS</a>]
02:55:34 ◼ ► about to and 128 right and in the 128 is so we are only available Mon 28 right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10534">TS</a>]
02:55:41 ◼ ► there's only three available you can refer $7.99 $77.99 you can get a 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10541">TS</a>]
02:55:47 ◼ ► gigabyte no cellular 49 49 you can get a hundred and twenty eight gigs no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10547">TS</a>]
02:55:53 ◼ ► cellular and infer 1079 their their usual $130 upgrade for the cellular you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10553">TS</a>]
02:56:00 ◼ ► can get $128 those are the only three configurations available I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10560">TS</a>]
02:56:05 ◼ ► think that's great I think it's great that it's a lot simpler they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10565">TS</a>]
02:56:08 ◼ ► three storage tiers it's just too you want the real on and let's face it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10568">TS</a>]
02:56:11 ◼ ► real one is the 122 want cellular not and the 32 totally makes sense in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10571">TS</a>]
02:56:18 ◼ ► context of industrial uses of the iPad Pro for the enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10578">TS</a>]
02:56:23 ◼ ► like single abuses yeah and I got us talking to doctor wave from Pixar you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10583">TS</a>]
02:56:28 ◼ ► know they've been publicized this is public information secret that Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10588">TS</a>]
02:56:32 ◼ ► there at Pixar last week and letting their artists play with them and use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10592">TS</a>]
02:56:36 ◼ ► them in and test the palm rejection which they were very pleased with myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10596">TS</a>]
02:56:41 ◼ ► very pleased they called it like near perfect but I guess it to him about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10601">TS</a>]
02:56:48 ◼ ► course because they don't store anything on it connected to their little internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10608">TS</a>]
02:56:52 ◼ ► internet and it's all stored on servers and so that they can share it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10612">TS</a>]
02:56:57 ◼ ► all there so the end of the extra storage should be completely and utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10617">TS</a>]
02:56:59 ◼ ► wasted on them and it's also the lack of cellular is a feature because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10619">TS</a>]
02:57:05 ◼ ► want these things connected the cellular networks they want them connected only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10625">TS</a>]
02:57:08 ◼ ► to their little internal network like that I didn't even talk to him about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10628">TS</a>]
02:57:12 ◼ ► this but I know in the movie industry in general that whole thing where Sony got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10632">TS</a>]
02:57:15 ◼ ► Act has really really upped their game on security and places like hospitals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10635">TS</a>]
02:57:20 ◼ ► and stuff like that with all the HIPAA laws you know this configuration is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10640">TS</a>]
02:57:25 ◼ ► perfect for them it is not you know if you're a consumer though you want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10645">TS</a>]
02:57:28 ◼ ► 128 you probably want the moment so yeah I think it's very obvious and also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10648">TS</a>]
02:57:35 ◼ ► low end model 32 is a great little low end things where there's still plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10655">TS</a>]
02:57:39 ◼ ► space for things like software updates and temporary caches and deposits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10659">TS</a>]
02:57:43 ◼ ► iPad whereas a 16 gigabyte model on that would have been like it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10663">TS</a>]
02:57:48 ◼ ► terrible yeah I like you know if I get one for various testing purposes I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10668">TS</a>]
02:57:54 ◼ ► get 32 because I wouldn't be like a power user of that right that feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10674">TS</a>]
02:57:58 ◼ ► it's ok but just barely get to it does feel kind of weird to spend $900 on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10678">TS</a>]
02:58:06 ◼ ► high-end thing and then to not spend the extra hundred fifty or whatever to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10686">TS</a>]
02:58:12 ◼ ► quadruple the story because this is the kind of thing you can never change you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10692">TS</a>]
02:58:17 ◼ ► can never upgrade that stuff away are like it you can't undo that decision and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10697">TS</a>]
02:58:23 ◼ ► and they know that when their pricing it and when they're deciding these they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10703">TS</a>]
02:58:26 ◼ ► know that and they know that a certain percentage of people usually I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10706">TS</a>]
02:58:30 ◼ ► expect a pretty good one will rationalize that same thought it well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10710">TS</a>]
02:58:36 ◼ ► 850 to 950 or quadruple this thing that might be a problem for me in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10716">TS</a>]
02:58:40 ◼ ► if I don't do it you know it the same thing without AppleCare know that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10720">TS</a>]
02:58:44 ◼ ► is a very telling that was work this is this is business so all this is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10724">TS</a>]
02:58:48 ◼ ► long way to say I definitely still believe that the 16 gig phones are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10728">TS</a>]
02:58:53 ◼ ► decision to raise average selling price not because it is best for customers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10733">TS</a>]
02:58:59 ◼ ► and I don't necessarily even I'm not even that mad at them about it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10739">TS</a>]
02:59:04 ◼ ► you know that's a that's business that's that's the kind of decision that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10744">TS</a>]
02:59:08 ◼ ► have to make to be successful and every business person does this and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10748">TS</a>]
02:59:13 ◼ ► Apple is not you know Santa Claus you know they their business and and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10753">TS</a>]
02:59:18 ◼ ► gonna make money off the bus and we happily keep giving it to them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10758">TS</a>]
02:59:22 ◼ ► they're obviously do something right they only do one last down with us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10762">TS</a>]
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02:59:33 ◼ ► that the the repercussions of this last for at least three years because what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10773">TS</a>]
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02:59:49 ◼ ► with contract $99 found is going to be the iPhone success for 16 gigabytes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10789">TS</a>]
02:59:54 ◼ ► going to be brand new iPhone did some people are buying with 16 gigabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10794">TS</a>]
02:59:54 ◼ ► going to be brand new iPhone did some people are buying with 16 gigabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10794">TS</a>]
03:00:00 ◼ ► or at least the next three years they've been selling eighths at the lower end I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10800">TS</a>]
03:00:06 ◼ ► think I don't know are they still now they worry they were before last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10806">TS</a>]
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03:00:19 ◼ ► the minimum when the iPhone 5 CKD malice six made it you know I made a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10819">TS</a>]
03:00:24 ◼ ► and a minimum now at least the minimum in the us- is 16 now in the 50 US yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10824">TS</a>]
03:00:30 ◼ ► they might sorry somewhere around the world but but that still means that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10830">TS</a>]
03:00:35 ◼ ► going to be 16 though for awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10835">TS</a>]
03:00:39 ◼ ► exactly i thought id I linked to it today and I don't want to repeat it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10839">TS</a>]
03:00:45 ◼ ► just tell people to go live you know you and I don't have this episode is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10845">TS</a>]
03:00:49 ◼ ► short Sofia Starr volatile afropop cassis and coalesce into its a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10849">TS</a>]
03:00:54 ◼ ► podcast in general but I really thought it was a fantastic episode of upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10854">TS</a>]
03:00:58 ◼ ► with Jason's now and Mike Hurley and they talked about upgrading to iOS nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10858">TS</a>]
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03:01:07 ◼ ► want to upgrade from here back up what an enormous pain in the ass that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10867">TS</a>]
03:01:12 ◼ ► really is an infant anything it's gotten worse over the years because the phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10872">TS</a>]
03:01:15 ◼ ► do so much more than a so much more permission and some of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10875">TS</a>]
03:01:19 ◼ ► totally understand I know it has to be that way it actually a feature that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10879">TS</a>]
03:01:23 ◼ ► have to redo your fingerprints that's actually good even though it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10883">TS</a>]
03:01:27 ◼ ► bit of a pain in the ass you have to reenter your credit cards I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10887">TS</a>]
03:01:31 ◼ ► that actually feature because the credit card data is stored on a secure element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10891">TS</a>]
03:01:35 ◼ ► and if it was a thing that they could just copy from one phone to another that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10895">TS</a>]
03:01:38 ◼ ► wouldn't be very secure in the fact that it literally cannot be copied from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10898">TS</a>]
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03:02:12 ◼ ► of iCloud authentication dialog during the setup process problem with infertile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10932">TS</a>]
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03:02:21 ◼ ► whole thing or not impair the watch then back up the phone then restore to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10941">TS</a>]
03:02:25 ◼ ► new phone then repair the washington new phone and although it's been mostly ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10945">TS</a>]
03:02:29 ◼ ► it's I've gotten is down because and again this is not really complain it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10949">TS</a>]
03:02:35 ◼ ► know it's great that I get these reviewed in its and front two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10955">TS</a>]
03:02:39 ◼ ► earlier to write about them before other people I get to spend more time but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10959">TS</a>]
03:02:43 ◼ ► the day due to new phones here five C 56 and six plus in the success in six-plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10963">TS</a>]
03:02:49 ◼ ► I get to phone to test so there's two phones that have to go through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10969">TS</a>]
03:02:53 ◼ ► within an hour's by my own my own about my own I don't pay for my own personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10973">TS</a>]
03:02:58 ◼ ► use iPhone so that means I get a period of three weeks I do this with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10978">TS</a>]
03:03:03 ◼ ► refunds every year and then later in the fall I generally end up doing it with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10983">TS</a>]
03:03:08 ◼ ► iPad 2 so my bio I might buy my own iPad I don't buy an iPad every year but these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10988">TS</a>]
03:03:13 ◼ ► tests want so I i do this without five or six devices every year a british [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10993">TS</a>]
03:03:18 ◼ ► people within a boy to do this more often because they're using test unit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/10998">TS</a>]
03:03:22 ◼ ► the hardware so that people inside Apple have to know this and I think that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11002">TS</a>]
03:03:25 ◼ ► you do it like I do more than 12 year you're more the inadequacy of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11005">TS</a>]
03:03:33 ◼ ► system are in your face and I really any and now that they're selling a program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11013">TS</a>]
03:03:38 ◼ ► to upgrade every year encouraging people to upgrade every year I really hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11018">TS</a>]
03:03:42 ◼ ► that someone with an Apple there's a you know this is a high priority we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11022">TS</a>]
03:03:47 ◼ ► gotta streamline this was not a win but I was not aware that if you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11027">TS</a>]
03:03:55 ◼ ► iCloud backup you still have to reenter all your passwords yeah yeah I come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11035">TS</a>]
03:04:00 ◼ ► I was not get it doesn't count as encrypted don't want to store your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11040">TS</a>]
03:04:06 ◼ ► keychain I think it's gonna be there long term solution around that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11046">TS</a>]
03:04:10 ◼ ► doesn't like it always keep someone device right it doesn't actually that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11050">TS</a>]
03:04:14 ◼ ► why you have to go to another device to approve it right but that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11054">TS</a>]
03:04:19 ◼ ► long-term goal of that but I think one thing that is that is very obvious here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11059">TS</a>]
03:04:23 ◼ ► first of all is that like once again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11063">TS</a>]
03:04:25 ◼ ► like sometimes sometimes stuff about the Apple watch kinda seems like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11065">TS</a>]
03:04:28 ◼ ► developed like on a spaceship away from Apple a candidate like it just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11068">TS</a>]
03:04:31 ◼ ► got handed to them and it was done like there's certain things about it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11071">TS</a>]
03:04:35 ◼ ► like this is obviously like the rest of the company didn't see this are approved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11075">TS</a>]
03:04:39 ◼ ► this before they got or like where this come from you know so there's certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11079">TS</a>]
03:04:43 ◼ ► things but I think obviously the weighty Apple watch deals with backing itself up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11083">TS</a>]
03:04:49 ◼ ► to the iPhone and and moving it to a different phone it's very on Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11089">TS</a>]
03:04:55 ◼ ► if I can use a generalization is very much like this does not seem like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11095">TS</a>]
03:05:01 ◼ ► wealthy Apple's whole thing is like the integration top-to-bottom they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11101">TS</a>]
03:05:05 ◼ ► everything they make the software to make the hard way to meet the services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11105">TS</a>]
03:05:08 ◼ ► they make everything the way the Apple watch pairs and backs up to a phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11108">TS</a>]
03:05:12 ◼ ► doesn't rather is it just seems like this like thing that was tacked on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11112">TS</a>]
03:05:19 ◼ ► it was not thought of with you know with integration in mind with the whole stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11119">TS</a>]
03:05:23 ◼ ► in mind with with what happens with your phone upgrade in mind and that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11123">TS</a>]
03:05:28 ◼ ► like a massive oversight and hopefully as it was it's a 1.0 and they'll get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11128">TS</a>]
03:05:32 ◼ ► it because it does seem freaky weird that like by default your watch is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11132">TS</a>]
03:05:41 ◼ ► ever it seems to only do when you run parent I think so yeah and if you so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11141">TS</a>]
03:05:47 ◼ ► you like wipe your old phone and while in the process of it's very easy to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11147">TS</a>]
03:05:55 ◼ ► up as a as an ideal Apple customer meaning ideal from Apple's perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11155">TS</a>]
03:05:59 ◼ ► you're a big fan and when they when they release new things you just go out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11159">TS</a>]
03:06:03 ◼ ► the so you've already got Apple watch and you buy a new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11163">TS</a>]
03:06:06 ◼ ► it's very very easy to wind up like like with a default factory installed watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11166">TS</a>]
03:06:12 ◼ ► again then like losing your activity data and that's a major like that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11172">TS</a>]
03:06:17 ◼ ► play as as a slacker who like barely hold together and exercise regime here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11177">TS</a>]
03:06:21 ◼ ► like if I lost all my tv dinner that's a major demotivators to keep going because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11181">TS</a>]
03:06:26 ◼ ► it's a holding when I get the idea that I've got this streak going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11186">TS</a>]
03:06:30 ◼ ► the motivators like that should not be taken as lightly you know temporary data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11190">TS</a>]
03:06:35 ◼ ► and with Alltel kid is like how how crazy is it that the watch a doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11195">TS</a>]
03:06:42 ◼ ► seem to back itself up at all and when it does back it up it doesn't back up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11202">TS</a>]
03:06:47 ◼ ► iCloud backup to just that local phone that is crazy they included a visit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11207">TS</a>]
03:06:55 ◼ ► iCloud backups have adjusted for a long time before the watch why doesn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11215">TS</a>]
03:06:59 ◼ ► watch regularly at night when it's plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11219">TS</a>]
03:07:02 ◼ ► just like the phone back it up to a club and you don't have I wanted the benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11222">TS</a>]
03:07:07 ◼ ► of the watches that you just don't have much user-created data it's possible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11227">TS</a>]
03:07:11 ◼ ► have a lot of user-created data that you know but the stuff that is there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11231">TS</a>]
03:07:16 ◼ ► biometrics and stuff like the fact that it's not and it's even just your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11236">TS</a>]
03:07:21 ◼ ► settings and stuff is annoying to lose all that stuff if you understand how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11241">TS</a>]
03:07:25 ◼ ► works it makes sense why you have to first one parent with the old phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11245">TS</a>]
03:07:30 ◼ ► then and then it makes sense why the unpaired takes five minutes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11250">TS</a>]
03:07:35 ◼ ► that's when the backup takes place so why does it take five minutes two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11255">TS</a>]
03:07:39 ◼ ► unpaired your iPhone because that's when it backs up so that you can then restore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11259">TS</a>]
03:07:43 ◼ ► it when you done within that makes some sense doesn't make you say well that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11263">TS</a>]
03:07:47 ◼ ► the head too clever design it just makes you say okay that's why it takes but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11267">TS</a>]
03:07:51 ◼ ► you don't know that why in the world would you ever on parent first why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11271">TS</a>]
03:07:54 ◼ ► wouldn't you think as an apple customer I think it makes total customer comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11274">TS</a>]
03:08:00 ◼ ► sent that you adjusting about a new iPhone already have an iPod I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11280">TS</a>]
03:08:04 ◼ ► restore from a backup and then my new phone will be paired with my approach is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11284">TS</a>]
03:08:09 ◼ ► that it that is what like you can totally see a bunch of people making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11289">TS</a>]
03:08:12 ◼ ► that assumption totally reasonable and then if it's like popped up and said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11292">TS</a>]
03:08:16 ◼ ► know do you want to switch your Apple ID your Apple ID can only be paired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11296">TS</a>]
03:08:19 ◼ ► one iPhone at a time would you like to switch to this new iPhone yes please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11299">TS</a>]
03:08:25 ◼ ► okay and then you would expect that to maybe spend for a couple of seconds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11305">TS</a>]
03:08:29 ◼ ► then it would just work process it's you it's you know it's very much a 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11309">TS</a>]
03:08:38 ◼ ► process it isn't unfortunately with the phone and the the the sad part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11318">TS</a>]
03:08:44 ◼ ► to me that the discouraged in part of this to me is that most of this rests on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11324">TS</a>]
03:08:50 ◼ ► the parts of Apple's infrastructure that I think have the most problems usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11330">TS</a>]
03:08:55 ◼ ► it's like the the store infrastructure not even not not necessarily like all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11335">TS</a>]
03:09:02 ◼ ► I thought about like the the backup and purchases part of it i think is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11342">TS</a>]
03:09:07 ◼ ► unrelated to the purchase of them in this all goes back to the store I hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11347">TS</a>]
03:09:10 ◼ ► the store this like that hole in the structure seems like it has frequent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11350">TS</a>]
03:09:15 ◼ ► problems and frequent bugs and and all this seems to rest on that and iTunes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11355">TS</a>]
03:09:24 ◼ ► I I actually don't have incredibly high hopes of improving it's it's it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11364">TS</a>]
03:09:31 ◼ ► very complex you know the way the way apple designs things as you said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11371">TS</a>]
03:09:35 ◼ ► you know with with the privacy in mind and with the security that they do a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11375">TS</a>]
03:09:39 ◼ ► of these things are impossible to make significantly better you know like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11379">TS</a>]
03:09:43 ◼ ► of it like you know you you can't just transfer protected in your credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11383">TS</a>]
03:09:46 ◼ ► data because it doesn't you actually can't do it with security and designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11386">TS</a>]
03:09:51 ◼ ► they have a lot of this stuff works in ways like that where the answer is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11391">TS</a>]
03:09:56 ◼ ► well to make this better we would have to become Google and we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11396">TS</a>]
03:10:00 ◼ ► do that so it's just not going to get better and like for example like the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11400">TS</a>]
03:10:04 ◼ ► that you mentioned a couple minutes ago I know I saw it at least one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11404">TS</a>]
03:10:07 ◼ ► times I was upgrading the phone the last few weeks and other people have seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11407">TS</a>]
03:10:11 ◼ ► is this loop seeming loop of requests for your iCloud password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11411">TS</a>]
03:10:19 ◼ ► yeah and you know and and it it just seems like it's so indeterminate was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11419">TS</a>]
03:10:24 ◼ ► enter it wrong I often do any wrong because during the password on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11424">TS</a>]
03:10:28 ◼ ► little keyboard and now you see the bullets it's very easy to make a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11428">TS</a>]
03:10:31 ◼ ► to a lot I'm pretty sure I have no doubt I've now seen as about three or four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11431">TS</a>]
03:10:36 ◼ ► times indeed various restores everything and I haven't done any sure it's related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11436">TS</a>]
03:10:39 ◼ ► to to thank her authentication because what it seems like it's doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11439">TS</a>]
03:10:43 ◼ ► something is checking for your password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11443">TS</a>]
03:10:45 ◼ ► very early on activation while the white screen still up and it is before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11445">TS</a>]
03:10:50 ◼ ► two-factor authorization is is requested properly in that screen so you can type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11450">TS</a>]
03:10:55 ◼ ► in the right credentials at Spelling Bee is lacking to factor I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11455">TS</a>]
03:10:59 ◼ ► wrong or at least there's a way to get into it without to factor because i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11459">TS</a>]
03:11:04 ◼ ► have to factor because it ok I don't maybe I should but probably well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11464">TS</a>]
03:11:10 ◼ ► because it seems like two factors such a pain in the ass and I don't want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11470">TS</a>]
03:11:13 ◼ ► through it with all these I founder editor but I don't have it turned on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11473">TS</a>]
03:11:18 ◼ ► on my want apple I D and I know that I've seen this loop where I think I must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11478">TS</a>]
03:11:24 ◼ ► have entered the password Bronx keeps asking me and then I do it very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11484">TS</a>]
03:11:27 ◼ ► carefully painstaking character of a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11487">TS</a>]
03:11:31 ◼ ► character the time and it still does it and then I think what is it the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11491">TS</a>]
03:11:34 ◼ ► service is it like six different services are queued up to get my lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11494">TS</a>]
03:11:39 ◼ ► and they can't share it because they're so siloed within the system or is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11499">TS</a>]
03:11:45 ◼ ► bug is it should I keep entering it that's the question is am I supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11505">TS</a>]
03:11:49 ◼ ► keep entering this or am I just going in a circle here we're never gonna stop us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11509">TS</a>]
03:11:54 ◼ ► also see when I it when I enter in this loop in action then shows me a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11514">TS</a>]
03:11:59 ◼ ► I'll I saying authorization failed it is failing and then so I'll just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11519">TS</a>]
03:12:04 ◼ ► hitting cancel cancel cancel the next few of them and it's like an infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11524">TS</a>]
03:12:07 ◼ ► loop on JavaScript you just can't do it like hit cancel fast enough and unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11527">TS</a>]
03:12:11 ◼ ► between boxes you can like it the next stage of the size of the screen like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11531">TS</a>]
03:12:15 ◼ ► extra and get past that and I'm really tight what I've seen this doesn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11535">TS</a>]
03:12:19 ◼ ► tell you that it failed it just asks again as though it asking for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11539">TS</a>]
03:12:22 ◼ ► time over and over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11542">TS</a>]
03:12:24 ◼ ► and usually helps to power down the phone and power back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11544">TS</a>]
03:12:28 ◼ ► or my go-to thing which works for a lot of these things is to sign out and sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11548">TS</a>]
03:12:33 ◼ ► back in which can be a huge pain in years because you lose all your contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11553">TS</a>]
03:12:40 ◼ ► are gone if the way for them to receive down your photos you musically now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11560">TS</a>]
03:12:44 ◼ ► our hands tied in but anyway the whole process is good and i really think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11564">TS</a>]
03:12:50 ◼ ► they are improved and I were in my big concern is that may be at the executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11570">TS</a>]
03:12:54 ◼ ► level they've got people who said their phones up for him and so they don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11574">TS</a>]
03:12:57 ◼ ► it in the navy he can hear the complaints but it's one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11577">TS</a>]
03:13:02 ◼ ► we're hearing that complain come on to captain hours big deal it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11582">TS</a>]
03:13:07 ◼ ► different than if if they had to see it I just can't help but feel that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11587">TS</a>]
03:13:11 ◼ ► know Tom Coker Phil Schiller Jony ive went through what I've gone through some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11591">TS</a>]
03:13:16 ◼ ► personally that they would be like this this this need to kick any ass somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxnCmK4/11596">TS</a>]
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