00:00:00 ◼ ► as we record we are recording on Thursday November 19th I have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► reports now on Twitter that people are saying that the Apple pencils are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► actually starting to appear in retail stores I thought he was in in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/8">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► Francisco and there's a whole bunch of them available yesterday when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► Wednesday the 18th there are a lot of reports that it looked to me like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► they were making an effort to get them out like a whole bunch of reports like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► saw five of them here and there were twenty of them there and I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► was a good sign and there's more that today so it looks like whatever was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/30">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► whatever logistical bottleneck was there may be as as if not installed itself at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/35">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► least has widened the bottleneck a little bit I'm curious to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► happens to people who like we're promised three or four weeks shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► dates a week or two ago whether they start getting them earlier than promised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► or whether the shipping lines will take as long as they had done yet that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/56">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► I wonder sometimes if Apple has really thought through the whole dichotomy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► shipping vs Apple store in a retail store pickup because the Apple TV I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/65">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► wonder how many returns they're going to get where people bottom the moment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/71">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► Adams had them shipped on the cheaper shipping so they would get them the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► week and then found that they were all in the Apple stores on the on the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► that's what I'm to me I just got my box and just put the label back on and send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/83">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► it back out because three days earlier I just walked into my local Apple store in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/88">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► and pick one up and this is like that to a little bit where it's like you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► you could get one in the retail store and your order says it's gonna be four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/96">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► weeks out that's you know that's sort of silly I mean I get I get why they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/100">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► want to turn people away who want to buy an iPad pro at the retail store and won [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► a pencil with it they want to kind of have a pencil for them but I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► frustrating if you were waiting at home for it for months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► yeah and I just like when you show it to people it's like just showing it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/116">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► somebody if I didn't have the pencil I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► I honestly don't even know what I would tell them there's a bigger bed yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/125">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► mean and they keep people definitely want to try the keyboard and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/130">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► it's you know and it's interesting to it's easy to imagine a big iPad it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/135">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► different actually sit down in front of it and use it but just from the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/140">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► minute or two everybody wants to use the pencil yeah how could you not how could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/145">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► unite and even though it's not like you're having been styluses 44 iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/150">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► before but this is the you know it's the Apple stylist so it's got that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► Attraction around it and the idea is it sounds like it's bearing out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► everybody we know who actually knows about drawing things like to call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/162">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► really does deliver on that that its precision is pretty amazing and that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► absent been updated the lag is very very minimal yeah yeah totally I i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/172">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► very high and the palm rejection is all bearing out as best I i've been traded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/181">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► likes figure this out and look at how they're doing the palm rejection and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/188">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► sure to probably more than this but it seems like the two things I can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/194">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► that they're doing is no one is obvious which is kind of looking for what I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► just call a fat touch meaning like the media part of your palm and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► rejecting it outright that wow that is that is either an enormous the harm or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/207">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► that that the palm but the other thing that they're doing is like drawing mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/212">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► I could see it in the Notes app when you're in little sketch mode in note is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/217">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► sometimes when you put your palm down you'll get a false hit and it'll put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/222">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► like a little drawing mark there it's hard to see sometimes you have to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► at it at an angle because your palm actually covers it but it puts like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/232">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► little false Denmark down but then as soon as the touches it just says oh ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/236">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► using the pen throw that throw that last market way in which i think has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/241">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► something to do with their they've got this whole touch coalescing thing I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► they're trying to they're trying to you it's not a one-to-one it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/248">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► like to correct your typing I think where it's it's trying to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► holistically it sort of like what it's getting input on the screen and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/255">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► and they may be sort of in real time they're trying to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► actually is going on instead of just it being I think the old-style touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► screens were much more about 121 kind of thing it's what it's not I'll tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/266">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► what it's not is its not washing out everything but the pencil because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► can actually I don't know if you've tried this but if you put two fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► down on the screen in notes you'll get the ruler to actually bring up the ruler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/277">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► and then you can with your other hand you can draw on the ruler the ad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► yeah with the pencil so it's not like it's locking out the scream from other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► from fingers like it that's not it is looking for that media blob of the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/292">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► of your hand or or the butt of your view of your poem and realizing what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/298">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► and saying I'm just gonna ignore that right and if it does get I wonder if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/305">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► may be but it i think is probably some kind of reasonable distance you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/310">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► you had if you had a finger way apart from the pen it's gonna know that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► not a touch from the hand holding a pen because too far away it's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► distance of when you're gripping a pencil in a you know a pencil grip that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/325">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► that touched it may be like what is it about two or three inches away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/330">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► ok that happened a half a second before the pen drawing that's the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/334">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► yeah you're right I just actually did it where I I put my finger and the pen down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/340">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► simultaneously very close to each other and started moving and and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/346">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► finger marks started and then vanished because you're kind of good going along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/351">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► with the pan you you are meant to be there I think long long story short its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/356">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► we can go long or as short version but I think that even though I'm not an artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/361">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► I just appreciated and I just like playing with it and I'm excited by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► that it's one of the most exciting things Apple's done in a long time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/374">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► this is the sort of thing that we looked at Apple to do and now they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/377">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► yeah this is why I feel like right there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/382">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► so much of the story of this product I think in hindsight is stuff that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/387">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► really didn't make much of an effort to integrate into the iPad until the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► when Apple wanted to build its own thing that was integrated hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► software and so you get all the keyboard stuff and I S nine is really leading to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► the smart Keyboard and the reason that they haven't done high-resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► digitizer you know more two hundred and forty megahertz scanner on the digitizer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/410">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► why didn't they do all that stuff as they they weren't ready for it and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► they're ready for it and and so the the pencil is the gets to be first out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► door cuz of course it is cuz it's the Apple accessory yeah it was it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/426">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► what they're like a teardown of the pencil finally I think there was one I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► not sure I read it but they did I think they did take it apart I still don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/436">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► think anybody has figured out exactly how it works but from what I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► able to piece together I don't think I was wrong in my review when I guessed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/446">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► that there is some kind of new center like something in the iPad to detect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/452">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► pencil instead I'm almost certain that what's going on is that the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► touch sensors in the glass are still touch still detect skin the same way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/465">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► that they've added into the exact same layer the ability to detect the pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/476">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► and the way that the pencil makes itself known as it emits some kind of radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/481">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► known very specific frequency but that it's not a different thing that picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/488">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► that up it's actually the same as the touch sensors and that somehow it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/495">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► the radio wave stuff is so precise is that that what allows it like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► imagine that it's a grid of centers with capacitive touch where it touches your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► finger it's always looking for a bunch of them to light up it wants because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/512">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► you're you know it's like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/518">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► inch round fingertip that's touching into its lighting up all of these want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/519">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► and then with a pencil it's right down to the actual pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/524">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► including the ability to sort of tell when it's between pixels yeah I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/529">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► to something funny is going on of course because we know that because you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► use it on another screen it is it is not trying to trick the device into thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► that it's a it's a really thin finger right right something there is some what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/545">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► whether it's a radio signal or it's an electric signal of some kind that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► the kind that you would pick up from from a finger there's something going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/556">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► where it's it's doing it and getting that precise you know exactly where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► the pencils and went and then and then it also is talking by bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► registering the pressure zone is when it's down and long story short I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► nearly certain that they didn't add a second Center grid for it what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► is make the existing centres grid smarter and and have it looking for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► other new things short-term radio bursts here's a weird thing that I didn't write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► about I haven't really seen anybody else write about but I still am not sure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► to think about it but it really seems very strange to me is the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/593">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► there is no there is no interface to the pencil other than plugging it into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/599">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► lightning port so you you charge it that way and you register it with the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/604">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► that way but then once you do that once you have a fully charged iPad are pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► when you have a fully charged pencil and it spared you never turn it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/615">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► never turn it off and you never get any indication that it's on off low on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/619">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► yeah it's like a joke sometimes about Apple saying magical a lot and about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/625">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► it wants to make its products kind of black boxes that you can't look into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/633">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► this pencil is is like I'm gonna I'm going to pander to you and say this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/637">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► the this is the pencil that's on the desk that Gableman wakes up in right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/643">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► is like it look human we have made a pencil and it's perfectly white and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/648">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► a little bit silver slick kind of object that it does I know it's shaped like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► pencil but it can't really be a pencil right and that's what it feels like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► me is it has no interface you're right it has no markings other than the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/661">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► silver circle and yeah you can get the lightning port if you take the cap off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► and you can unscrew the tip but it is featureless it is just i mean it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► literally featureless like not just like its looks of features but its features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/673">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► its you don't do anything with it except dry it's it's very clever and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/679">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► it's also very much in line with Apple's design philosophy which is to have as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/683">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► yeah it's we've we often joke about Apple stuff that they try to ship stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► with one button but ultimately they want to ship something with no bio button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/694">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► the pencil is the no button device theirs and there is this part of me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/698">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► kind of want to lie to have like a green just a little green dot lights up when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/704">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► it's on and being used and then turns off when its sweeping or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/711">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► now here I am you know two weeks later and I don't have that and it's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► been an issue like I kind of see why they didn't do that but I just threw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► wakes up based on some but based on emotion or something or based on based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/727">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► on I don't even know what it is I don't save some battery when you when you lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► it down it doesn't move for a while or something right it says it seems too I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► still haven't even reached hard today and I've been playing with it for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► weeks or something i dont i dont it definitely gets long battery life so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/742">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► can't be sitting there committing these waves you know until it's in use but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/747">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► the other hand to like if it was just in your backpack though moving moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► around as you walk around I don't think it's on I'm not quite sure when it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► on or what that means or maybe like a lot of these things you like in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► that you or your iPhone can use the motion co-processor to count your steps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/768">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► and it's not really having a significantly adverse effect on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► battery life of your phone compared to all the other things that can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► bring your fun maybe they put like the equivalent of like a little m6 in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/786">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► pencil and it's always there kind of detecting similar things I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► but it's kind of crazy isn't a while though that it doesn't even tell you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► it's on off or low on charge it sits featureless it's empty it's just a blank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/800">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► right it's just an implement you hold in your hand and use it against the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► surface and things happen is that the big downside to it is that if it is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/810">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► of battery the only way you're gonna know that is by like having it fail on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/817">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► screen like you're gonna go to use it and you're going to stab the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/823">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► it's like the experience of figuring out your pencil is running as ran out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/829">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► power is exactly the same as the experience of having a pencil that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/834">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► yet paired with your iPad I think the difference is that your iPad knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► much battery is in there and if you not only can you swipe down in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/844">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► Notification Center it will there's a batteries thing that will show you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/848">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► iPad's battery and also the Apple pencils battering and I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► imagined I would imagine that it tells you that the iPad tells you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/858">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► need to charge for a pencil so I just wipe down and I can see that this pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► that I'm holding my hand is 26% battery but that's the interface it's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/866">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► iPad it's not you know it's on the pencil I think I screwed myself by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/870">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► I at one point in the match review process I just left it plugged in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/875">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► I'd used it a lot depends on when I plugged it in and for no reason it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► wasn't like it was out I just plugged it in and left it plugged in and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/885">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► obviously filled back up and so I haven't run it back down here but yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/888">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► they say I screwed myself because I really did wanna kind of see what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/893">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► know does it give you a warning like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► I haven't seen it give me a warning yet but I I can see that it's a 26% so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/899">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► that's like the one place where I can I can tell that it's communicating beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► the actual drawing is that it tosses in a little battery info into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/910">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► Notification Center I had lunch today with Lauren director for millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/915">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► Twitter to refresh tweety etcetera etcetera hadn't said he hadn't seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/925">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► to a broader long and then he got to play with it and his first comment was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/930">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► in a story like we said about sort of like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/934">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► 2001 style industrial design or like you know futuristic space alien to me this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/939">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► pencil that it is absolute it so he said that this is such an Apple device it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/945">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► so beautiful but also this is not a material that anybody has ever used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/950">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► create a pen out of before like nobody's ever made a pen or pencil that is slick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► yeah and it's not to say that it's slippery and I don't know that it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► a problem but it is a sort of material that nobody would have ever used for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/965">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► little slippery I guess it reminded me of a mean pencils depending on you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► brand new pencil out of the box and it's good that fresh coat of enamel paint on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/977">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► it it's not that far off from that I think the difference is the man used two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/981">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► pencils that have you know that they're they're not round their flat there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/985">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► there whatever pic cycle or octagonal they've got a little flat surfaces to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► come together to make the pencil and this is just perfectly smooth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/994">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► perfectly round and it would roll right off your desk accepted the weighted so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► that it will stop I will say this you know we can we can do all I can to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and intense but a very very popular style of ink pencil I mean talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1011">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► real real pens here are like pilot chief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► threes I don't use the pilot anymore but the jelly you know the cookout right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► g2 which you know I used ones from zebra there's a couple of other brands but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► know there they started in Japan now they're very popular in the world but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► point is they all all of them shared design thing which is down where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► grip it there's like a piece of rubber which just to me seems like total common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► sense but it I don't know I'm curious what people that one of the things I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► curious now that the pencil is going from ok Apple release anything it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► novelty to ok people are actually using it is what are the people who are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► to use this thing for like hours of the time for work going to say about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► materials and stuff like that yeah sure that it's comfortable I i'm not i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► either but again I'm alright I don't think pens in general are comfortable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► don't like right hand writing once I could stop turning in my papers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► school handwritten and start typing them all I was a very happy person but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► it struck me right away that there was no I'm I've gotten used to the grip on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► the g2 at the bottom there's no clip on it and I guess maybe that goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► the sort of Apple philosophy of the friend John Siracusa calls the naked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► make it build a product for its essence almost knowing that if you want to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► something to it people will build things to add to it but that Apple if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► adds those things on then you can opt out of them and I feel like somebody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► going to want to make a group for it and somebody's gonna wanna make clip for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► and a little inkwell kind of thing for people to to stash it when they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► using it all those things will be made for it but Apple wanted to kind of get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► it all the way to its base and whether that's right or wrong I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► depends on whether you like holding it in its basic form if if if there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1134">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► lot of people think don't know I just want this and nothing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► it would kind of be a shame if it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► other things on top of it I wonder how do I don't miss another one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► things that probably if it's not out already there's gonna be that's gotta be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► play some kick starters from people who are going to make replacement caps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► the only difference is that it has a clip or even or even just some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► asymmetrical now been so that it doesn't roll it all right a little clip on clip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► so you can put in your pocket or something I think would be a natural and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► I'm sure somebody's already got that 3d printed and ready for Kickstarter yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► it's almost like and I feel like that's also sort of Apple's decision on on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► much observed point that there's nowhere to put it officially meaning let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► say compare and contrast with the new where there was an official place to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► the stylist with the Newton was a socket right in the top of the news and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► obviously that design work for this because the pencils actually thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► than the iPad or if it isn't it's so close that it there's no way that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► socket would have voted for it but they wouldn't have done that anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► because I think that there's not really their style anymore I'm a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► surprised there isn't an optional you know something and probably they look to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► and just couldn't find a way to make it makes sense I mean you can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► magnets and clip it to the side magnetically but they're probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► strong enough to really reliably leave it there and blessing and wanna do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► have it fall off and break on the floor so you know instead it's just find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► another place to put it and figure it out well and I was a little surprised I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► mean this goes all the way back to September because I could see you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► in a hands-on area that this was the case because they had that the coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► for it but on that day I was a little surprised that they didn't have on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► smart cover and smart Keyboard something you know whether it's just that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► could stick it in or a magnet or something you know something on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► ok can't connected to the iPad pro itself but if you get our cover or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► keyboard there's a little place here you can put your pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► pencil and they didn't do that and i guess its because not everybody gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► pencil and so then that would put the pencil would look you know if you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► the cover but not the pencil it would look like you're missing a pencil you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► think thats I think that's behind a lot of these decisions is it is not as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► as we all talk about it and write about it it is not an essential feature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► this product and so you can't build it with the assumption that everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1296">TS</a>]
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00:22:19 ◼ ► integration one small snippet of code and you're all set up in less than 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1339">TS</a>]
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00:22:37 ◼ ► slash the talk show their their their their talking points for this are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► hell-bent on how easy this is to implement not only did they say johnnie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► and take 10 minutes they say if you don't even have time if you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► worried bout long can take to integrate you can sign up and called them and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► have people on the other end of the phone who will walk you through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► integration of hooking hooking up the SDK SDK for iOS Android and JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► for doing it through the web and seven different languages dotnet node.js Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1385">TS</a>]
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00:23:34 ◼ ► show 10 lines of code can be done so you had a piece one of the reasons I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► have you on the show I thought it really really a code my thinking on this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► touched on it but skipped about it is this whole issue of ok now that with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► iPad pro and with iOS nine and where it is today can you use your iPad can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► an iPad Pro for work which is sort of it I I think the problem is that it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► fair question I feel like you need to specify what the work is but I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► you had a good piece that was more or less for some definition of work yes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► for your work mostly but that it's with 20 some years of Mac experience under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► your belt and all of this stuff maybe the answer is still just that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► yeah I counted 2689 is when I started using the Mac I remember I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► remembered from your article that it was exactly 26 because it was such an uneven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► number if you get it must've been exactly right but I didn't want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► that because I just I went with 20 so I know twenty-some well I could be even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► worse but it's probably better yeah it was my my sophomore year in college and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► I was started working at the newspaper and they were all match their online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► Apple too so i'd used them a couple of times before but that was the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► where I stopped using my Apple to basically and I did all my work on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► on the max at the newspaper office even my school work because I didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► go back but that's a lot of that's a lot of history I think it's absolutely true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► that you can't say the ie the iPad and iOS in general are not possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► tools to use to do your job I mean yeah they're gonna be jobs where the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► isn't there and they're very particular as the internet right so people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► going to say well actually my profession I can't do I grant you their profession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► that were you can't but if you're talking my general kind of look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► spreadsheets and I write documents and I answer email and the kind of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► jobs we think out and I'm on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► across iowa back into that I think my realization in spending like so many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► us who write about these products have done over the last few days which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► used the iPad pro a lot to try to do things that we don't normally do on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► iPad it became clear to me that it was not the issue wasn't couldn't do it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► issue was the migration thing it's like you know some for something to be worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► migrating to hear from a place where you're really comfortable and you've set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► up like I've got scripts and you you're like this too i know i get scripts I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► got a workflow I've got absolute get everything set up i feel like i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► super optimized what I do on my Mac for me over the course of twenty six years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► and it get it for me to switch from that to something new you know there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► hit you have to take it to learn new apps you have to learn new automation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► processes you've got to put in invest hours and hours of time to get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► where you were and that's that's a pretty decent calculation that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► make you can say look even if it's as good as the markets today and let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► granted that you might that might not be worth it because there's too much effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► that's going to have to go into it to move over there or when you get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► it's going to turn out that you're not quite as effective united as fast as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► as you were on the Mac and so I would say that I I came to the realization cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► I had a lot of Pakistan logic and I have a bunch of people say well you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► really try audition from Adobe an end I had the same sort of thing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► addition might be better than logic I'm not sure if it is 44 what I do but let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► say it's arguable that I would be better off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► editing an audition logic that's not good enough it's gonna be a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► huge hit when I move and have to learn a new thing and sometimes it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► you don't never seen are learning anything but sometimes the math doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► work where it's like it's incremental better but I will be so far in the hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► in terms of my learning that I'm never going to be it's never gonna pay off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► loan payoff for years and years and you don't know until you try whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► actually going to be better and not so that was my realization with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► iPad is that probably 90% of the things that I've got set up to do on my Mac I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► don't use very often and I don't need to bring over I i dont need to list like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► I've got a hundred scripts in BBEdit then I need to change it's probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► that but there are things that I would have to adapt to and and you know that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► think is gonna be a problem for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► fortunately we don't have to switch right i mean i I can foresee using an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► iPad when I travel now in a way that I couldn't foresee it a year or two ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► not abandoning the Mac entirely but using the iPad as a substitute when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► want to travel light I could see that now but you know that requires me to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► in some time and and change my workflow and some of the things that I do and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► adapt to new tools but it's it's a matter of choice and for somebody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► younger and who doesn't really have those ties and hasn't super you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► automated their their computer experience then that barrier is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► podcasting is a pretty fine example right because editing podcast they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► didn't mention that people are saying you should recommend you switch from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► logic to edition on a tarmac but you did find you there is a new iOS app so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► actually edited an episode of being comfortable on the iPad what's the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► of the app the app is called ferrite f er IDE yeah and it's free with two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► in-app purchases it's basically if you went on like all the features it's $20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► but you can try it without you can unlock half the features or 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► go by the other half for 10 and yeah I tried it I actually I tried and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► thinking wow these guys who wrote this totally read my mind and then later I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► discovered that they had read my site and ads and have been listening to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► shows listening to Europe during like well I you know one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► would keep me from being able to work on and I iPad would be I need to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► podcast and if I wanted that it podcasts on iPad I would need this this this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► all these features are in ferrite which is why it was that moment like my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► and it turns out no they're actually reading what I've written and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► working on it but that was like I I think it was a good I did inspire the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► app but I think I to be created but I think I may be inspired some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► future choices that they made which is awesome because that's great for me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► really nice when somebody built a nap and keep you in mind when they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► it but i also forgot that in June the guy wrote to me and said you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► sample files cuz I want to use like real world examples and I sent him an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► in Kabul that was down to the just to the tracks and I said here it is and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► totally forgot about it and i sat down and edited not remembering any of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► added an episode in you know it's the thing I I did this with logic once I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► this with audition once before I switched to logic I definitely tried it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► will you take a run at an experiment could I use other tools to do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► that I do every week that is mission critical that if if I'm if I'm 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► percent slower I i'm going to not be able to do my job is like literally i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► i've got it totally wired and it needs to be fast and it needs to be like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► or I can't switch and I i expected to get ten minutes in and be like well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► iPad but this is not gonna happen and like an hour and a half later which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► about 22 hours it's the standard time it takes me to edit an episode of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► income people I had edited the entire episode about halfway through I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► oh man I'm actually good at this whole thing right here and it was pretty great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► I mean there were some issues it was a lot faster when I have the keyboard then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► when I was just doing touch but it was pretty it was pretty great and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► that was the screen size and some of those the power although I think I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► air but that was a funny moment where I realized that when I have the right tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► the iPad was was great for that sort of thing yeah I do think I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► just a step back a little bit where we were five minutes ago which was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► when did you first start using a Mac and that transition from using something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► like a command line interface is the main interface to the computer to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► GUI I do feel that we are that this is the same type of transition a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► early except that one was it was different in a few ways for me at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► where the difference with the command line to GUI transition was that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► going to replace it for everybody that this is clear that for almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► and obviously know used Macs today still ship with the terminal app and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► that for example the main news I can think of is people who do like system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► administration type things just use you know terminal and SSH connection and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► good reason that there's a really good remote interface to something that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► be slow and there are things that you can do remotely administering a faceless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► server that the command line is just fine for if you're an expert but real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► from ninety-nine point some very large 10th digit you know nobody needs to ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► see that whereas with this transition I really do think that Steve Jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► trucks and cars analogy is just an amazingly good analogy which is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► for whatever reason we made everybody drive a truck for a long time until we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► finally got good enough it doesn't come up with ideas that were more like a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► but you know just go out on a highway in any state in the country and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► going to see an awful lot of people who drive pickup trucks but it's clearly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► the the majority and there's no reason for the community thing what struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► so many of the arguments with the same right it was like well when you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► using a Mac back in the day it was what you can't do I can delete every file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► with this name in it by just typing quick command in das and can you do can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► you do that I can write a program and run it and you know you can't do that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► the Mac and totally true right totally true but that's what we had our own ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► right we had our own dirty things that we did that weren't those ways that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► were right about those but in a different it didn't do those but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► the same argument with the iPad is not powerful you can't do this thing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► totally true you could it was that they the argument about being able to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► to delete like every file with the same you know extension you know what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► document for Dell was like the equivalent of our end right that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► could do start out star sure tell your Dell star . txt or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► such a bad argument because being in it because it was a command that was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► know like there was no wonder who it was you know it's like about how I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► mean I can take this thing right I i my car can go a hundred and fifty like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► well good luck with that you know if you're not on the Autobahn that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► probably not that practical and you make it yourself kill good good for you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► your theoretical go that fast but it was a point of pride and flexibility and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► you the same things when people when I read about the iPad and I'm not federico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► VTG rate I don't I'm not a 99% on the iPad but I i'm open-minded enough about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► it that I hear from people who are like no never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► because of X&Y that it doesn't do that you're right the Mac does those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► in it doesn't I'm not sure in the end that the people who are going to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► use the product those things are going to matter and the fact like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► that it doesn't do Apple script and it doesn't have it doesn't have some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► automation utilities that run in the background stuff that's true but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► got its own scripting and its own automation utility they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► OS iOS nerdiness is there already it's just not the same as Mac nerdiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► and you know that's going to be off-putting for some people I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► what the truck before I see what your saying in in some ways but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► it's going to be a matter of that that the touch interface is inappropriate or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► that the devices aren't star powerful enough I'm starting to think and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► why I mentioned 26 years of using the Mac I'm starting to think that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► gonna be in some ways generational that it's that it's like I'm more comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► using these tools and this way and this industry is more comfortable with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2195">TS</a>]
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00:44:17 ◼ ► Steve Jobs is up on stage he's talking about how what they did he says it runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2657">TS</a>]
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00:44:55 ◼ ► the entire user interface and there are certain things that carried over like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2695">TS</a>]
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00:45:15 ◼ ► button you tap would you do with a push button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2715">TS</a>]
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00:48:33 ◼ ► like you know it really is about the iPhone and the iPad is lucky to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► and the iPad broker be a lot better if they were more features that took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► advantage of things like an external keyboard and I'm not saying it needs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► mouse and drop down menus which you know the map but more than it's got now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► definitely think that mouse pointer is not the right way to go I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► this AM fully on board with exactly you know what Apple's executives you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► Tim Cook Phil Schiller I think you can add a couple of interviews that Eq [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► I i really I don't think it's been I think they truly believe this and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► too that the Mac and iPad OS are not going to converge there's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► be any sort of point in the foreseeable future I mean like years and years out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► where everything is just 10 s and you can touch your iMac 5 k I really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► that it and I think the mouse pointer interface isn't going anywhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► that's in Apple world that's called the Mac and the touch interface isn't going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► anywhere but there needs to be some kind of directional input thats not touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► the screen and I think it you know Apple TV shows how that possible right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► know that even the old Apple TV which just had with the No Touch iPad it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► had up down left right you know you can do it and I feel like the new one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► the touchpad even shows even more how possibilities in this focus engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► they have it you have these elections and it shows you based on the depth I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► might say that's exactly what they could move to the iPad because then I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► think it would work with touch right like I think if they put the focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► engineer for use with a keyboard with the arrow keys are with the trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► trackpad that isn't there but if they added hypothetical trackpad you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► the focus the focus thing would definitely work and I think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► be pretty useful and then you could use the trackpad to move the insertion point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► and texting views and all of that would work in be useful and not introduce a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► mouse pointer which i think is problematic in a lot of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► yeah I mean that in some ways the track pads already there right because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► put two fingers down on the software keyboard you can move the text insertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► around and so there is a pointing device it's not gonna you know it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► cursor that's available everywhere but it is there and in that way you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► you're using an external keyboard you lose that feature and there isn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► support I I was arguing somebody on Twitter I think you were part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► change to about this idea of a trackpad on a on a keyboard from Apple which I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► think is less likely but I kind of feel like they might as well just support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► Bluetooth trackpads because you know just for text insertion because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► the alternative would be something like i think is a patent for a keyboard an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► Apple patent for a keyboard that you could also just move your finger across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► yeah and it would it would act like a trackpad which you know that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► software keyboard works so if you had a hardware keyboard that you could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► that might solve it to its like look if you remove the insertion point around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► you just you know you'll push down on the keys you just read your fingers over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► them and will you know that that's close enough for us to figure out what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► doing so maybe there's something there because that it doesn't get enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► publicity but that's like one of the biggest breaks with iOS interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► metaphor that has ever been is the idea that suddenly you've got a little cursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► to move around on screen that's that's not something that we've we've really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► had an iOS before and once once that's out of the box a little bit I mean and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► think it's great for productivity and it's fantastic on the iPad Pro it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► easiest movement of that I find it harder to move around on the iPhone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► the smaller iPad but it's a really good because you got that space and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► totally works so you know I'd like to see more of that more places plus simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► stuff like if I do a spotlight search I can narrow down into one of the results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► I I can't help but feel that that's just that's just coming there has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► coming sure I think a lot of these are are very clearly like they're very close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► and then and they're just not quite there yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► auto correct is one I just wrote a piece about this yesterday on the iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► 44 macworld where auto correct is one where there's this whole lot of crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► system that's been built up for the software keyboard because it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► important for the software keyboard but right now there's no system-level way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► assign auto correct on or off for hardware or software keyboards so every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► time I use hardware keyboard I have to go turn it off because it is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► when I'm using the hardware keyboard it corrects things that I type correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► into other things and I type so fast that I go right over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► my incidence of typos goes up I'm correcting things all the time and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► just one of those things that like that's a pretty simple I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► again I don't know house deep into the tax code may be hard to implement but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► from a user perspective it's like it makes sense that my rules for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► software keyboard my hardware keyboard would be would be different and it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► to the auto capitalization stuff I don't know if you tried this but if you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► you hold down the shift key little too long for the first two letters of a word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► are capitalized you like I meant that to be lower case you lift the shift key off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► your back space and then you take the key again on the iPad it just stays in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► yeah and that's been a problem for the iPhone since the beginning which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► no you toggle the shift key up you probably want to type of capital letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► here and spoken about this where where when you get to know in a rich text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► editing interface like word or txt Edit weather is bold and italics underline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► there are implicit in visible marks effectively and in a cold days like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► we used to right honourable Tues you could see them I hope codes right show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► code it's a butt but in other words if I start typing Jason and I type for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► whatever stupid reason I just want the first two letters to be bold if I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► back and delete the old table again it's still going to be bold in till I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► command be again before I type and it's the shift key is like that on iOS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► shift key is sorta like an invisible marker in in there it's like a mode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3293">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► yeah and it's i mean that's just a bug right i mean it's really just a bug but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► it it stems from the fact that there's this whole infrastructure of input that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► has been built up around around the iPhone originally and then the iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► the external keyboard thing is just kind of this weird things grafted on which in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► the context of the time made sense but when you're trying to think of this as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► more of a productivity device and that a lot of people are going to be using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► keyboard that Apple sells a keyboard now you know it's all stuff that just needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► to be better and I keep coming back to the iOS time thing I feel like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► real story here is just that Apple already has gotten religion about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► but they didn't really get it until I was nine and that before then they sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► of just kept her hands off of it and then since they only got through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► religion for iOS nine they haven't had time to build this stuff and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► hoping to see a little more of it in the build of iOS that ran on the iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► and I'm still hopeful that maybe 92 maybe 93 we'll just see the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► trickling out instead of having to wait for an iOS 10 but you know that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► optimist in me is that I i feel like maybe they they they have got it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► they've got the product out there they've got that that keyboard and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► do know that this is important to the iPad pro and that they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► prioritize more of these features to make it to make it better I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► one of the most telling thing and to me it contrasts with this episode of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► show almost looks like it was organized I think it contrasts so poorly with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► pencil where to me every aspect of the pencil seems so thoughtful and it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► the thing is is that the pencil is this all new thing that slips into the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► world established by the iPhone speaking but like the 2007 iPhone in theory would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► work great with the pencil right and I i my guess is that going forward all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► future iOS devices will be at the top center that iPad pro dozen will work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3414">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► least they could and at least all iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► I don't know maybe not the phone but I don't see why not with the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► yeah I don't and it's not the iPad in a potential for iPad perot or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► pencil period but it doesn't it doesn't foresee any kind of rethinking of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► interface of the touch centric interface its all new whereas the keyboard is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► in conflict with that and in not that I don't think I think the theory there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► way to arrive at a this works just as well with the touch and the keyboard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► you know it different ways and I'll give you an example that a second but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► other example in its just reeks to me of of the wait a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► didn't somebody think that this is crazy so in theory if you have the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► keyboard attached typing should be better in every way because it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► actual keyboard or at least or if in theory you are the world's world-class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3474">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► type on the iPad screen typist then it should be at least as good but in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► a huge way it's worse because when you're using the on-screen keyboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► can put two fingers down and move the insertion point and you know you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► I'll just say ditto it's one of the greatest inventions of the touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► era and then if you have the hardware keyboard there's no way to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► yeah I find that to be absolutely crazy just be again in whether it you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► not saying it's easy thing to solve it I I dunno like you said maybe some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► weird patented material that turns the surface of the keyboard into a touchpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► center just for going just for just for moving around you don't have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► anything else I don't know what the answer is but boy that's seems crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► that you get this really cool feature with the on-screen keyboard and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► put up a hardware keyboard you completely lose it so the other example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► the other in this one really bothers me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► command tab so they're the command to have the David to iOS is just looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► exactly like the Max command which in and of itself not OK from the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► your apps start with the go left to right with left is your current most app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► and then as you move to the right you see your the apps you used in whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► you know the order in which you've used them one command tab get you to the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► you use most recently to get you to the second most recent center but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► the double tap the home button switcher which provides the exact same time exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► same exact same problem which is I want to switch to a recently used at but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► it looks different it's this 3d stacked view and it even goes in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► order starting with Mac OS 9 it goes from right to left but they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► left-to-right version in Iowa seven and eight with the old card style interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► to me as a general principle there's absolutely no reason why that shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► be the exact same interface whether you're using command tab or using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► screen and double-clicking the home button it should be the NA have had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► right there they had the iOS 8 switcher and I think the only reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► switched it for I was nine was for the iPhone 6 s with the force touch with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► can force from the edge and I don't think that that I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► worth it I feel like maybe they should have just made it so that you instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► forced touching from the left edge you have to do it from the right edge so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► that the the order could be the same between the two i I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► somehow if they wanted to add the force touch switcher they should have done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► in a way that they could use the same switcher for a double tap home go from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► the edge indefinitely from command at the command tab switcher should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► same as the double tap the home button switch her and it's it's it's a lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► thoughtfulness that that it's not so well I mean it is more dense to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► just the icons up there not the previews and if they had it you know although you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► could have that same sort of stack of you know angled textures of what those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► apps were there something I'm sure I'm sure they could unify if they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► wanted to but it's funny when you think of that Apple taking the approach that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► each device has its own thing and I'm like Microsoft's approach the Maxima be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► the Mac and the iPad's gonna be iPad this is a case where when you've got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► external keyboard attached the iPad kind of is a Mac sort of using the max which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► and I don't know whether that's a good thing because the people depend on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► attitude is people use external keyboards are fossils their old people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► who want the old ways and where it this is providing some continuity for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► users who are less comfortable with the new ways of text input or whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► know it's just a nice accessory for people who wanna input text faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► and if it's the former than the apps which makes sense because it'll scare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► them less but it's not the same metaphor as the rest of the system it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► bizarre thing the kind of got imported from the Mac yet it just it in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► it's i'm glad that it's there you know and I'm glad that while I've been trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► to use my iPad pro as as you know how much of my work and I do want to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► this thing out I'm certainly glad that command tab works but I think that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► stick with just a comeback styles which are in there is crazy when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► hello switching and an app switching metaphor that would work perfectly with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► command tab and I really think that that's a lot slicker and I feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► really i feel like the beauty of it is and even the new iOS nine's switcher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► still has the same quality where you can see the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► as you're switching between them and that doesn't really translate well to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► the Mac because Mac apps can have lots and lots of windows open but every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► single iOS app only has one screen current time and I feel like the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► aspect of that where it's like a layer of abstraction has been removed and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► actually see the apps Safari it looks like the currently showing Safari tap is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► is so much more iOS like it so much more of what I West is supposed to be rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► than this extra layer of abstraction where safari is represented by its home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► screen icon yeah and I i really wanna get into that when you've got two apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► running in splits you the switch the iOS based switcher is even weirder because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► think the split view on the right just vanishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► because show and what it showed the split you or would it show the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► it wasn't in Split View and its there's a lot going on and you do get the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► you said it and I had I been thinking that you do get the sense that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► a long debated doubtful about the app switcher stuff and about productivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► for keyboard people and at some point somebody said look just put the Mac apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► which are in there from the keyboard people just as good enough for them so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► hopefully there are people in its just hopefully that it's just some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► luck we you know we can ship this big iPad now we're ready to do it we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► the I think again this is the sort of thing even when you know people at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► in friend and they just don't like to talk about timeline but I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► iPad Pro has been something that they've been thinking about ever since they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► started working on the iPad in terms of what size of these devices would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► like to ship and having to make something that this big butt is weighs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► as little as it does I think about the fact that the original iPad you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► famously now everybody says you know talking about the weight of the iPad bro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► weighs almost exactly the same as the original iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► well then obviously at this size back in 2010 it would've been way too heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► yeah it would have been as thick as dense as that iPad now terrier so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► took them awhile to be able to make something that was this big and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► would be tolerable way and it clearly once they've gone to the retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► they ran into these incredibly difficult things with the graphics to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► drive its green decides that threaten you know they had to do the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► with this that they did with Retina 5 k iMac where they have their own timing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► controller to control the whole thing has nothing on the market could drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► them any pixels so I think that this year I think 2015 this is they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► shipped a a big iPad the first year that they could have that you know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► engineering constraints that they had to work with to be able to ship something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► that meets their definition for you know here's an IP here's what we could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► would be willing to ship as an iOS device it to make on this size it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► until now and because they could do it now they're shipping it now even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► the software on the software side clearly they're they're not caught up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► the level of what could we do with an iPad of this size you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► that's exactly right that this is this feels like I was saying like when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► nine and with the putting the iPad pro into getting it ready for production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► that was there was a moment of like ok this matters to us now and the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► was that they weren't laying the foundation before and and you can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► can't turn on a dime and add all those features in and so the software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► lagging behind in the shame that it wasn't you also feel like the iPad here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► too was so over suspect that that was almost like the pilot program for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► iPad pro a little bit like wow where did this thing come from psycho I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► now but and hardware is spectacular it really is a great piece of hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► that's why I think it is striking that we come back to the software kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► hasn't caught up and it's not just like there's the whole of the debate about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► professional software in the App Store in all of that but like the iOS itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► is kinda just it's it's it's a little bit behind the what the hard-working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► offer and it's it's it's not surprising because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► I think they they got a late start because it wasn't a priority until until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► they decided I wonder you know I really wish I I would be fascinating to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► the stories behind it I keep my gut feeling is also that Apple has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► its philosophy about product lines where it feels that they don't have to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► focused that every product doesn't have to be for every person and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► evidence one of that was the existence of the iPhone six-plus where it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► the flagship it was this oversized phone and I i think that Apple felt bitten by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► the fact that they were so maniacally focused on having one iPhone that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► got behind in the large phone category and Samsung showed them that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► wanted that and I wonder if that leads down to the iPad a little bit too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► gives them the freedom to have this product exist where like look we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► have a bunch of different iPads and you know the meaning was the first example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► of that and then this is another example it's like look we can have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► these iPads we can ship them all the same year too much but we have to ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► like a couple one or two a year but I i wonder if there's a story there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► maybe it's just me seeing things but I feel like there's something there about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► Apple shifting gears from sort of like this is the iPhone to saying we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► many iPhones you can choose from we have many iPads choose choose the one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► like and that's not where they were 23 years ago but that's where they are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► yeah it's it's a fascinating device the iPad pro and pencil and the keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4135">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► there's so much to think about and what it is is interested in fascinated in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► as I am I think you're exactly right is that it's it is the device I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► recommend to the fewest people as what you know one of the big things I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► the only thing again I think the iPhone plus you know the success + 16 + are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► similar where it but even maybe even a little bit less you know like I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► like it's the people who want the plus-size phone they know it it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► gut feeling he forgot says I wish my phone was really big then go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► where is this is a little bit it's a little bit more complicated I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► don't I really don't think it's not just an issue of the old days I think it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► to be in the PowerBook days the only reason to get like you know the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► remember that even the MacBook the only reason to get one other than a MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► Pro was I think you know about cost do you know if you can afford the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► Pro you're going to want that MacBook Pro cuz you're not really saving much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► else it wasn't like they were lighter you know dinner they were just slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► now the only time I had a MacBook was there was the period where they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► MacBooks were smaller and the MacBook Pros were not smaller and that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► reason to get it was you want a smaller laptop we've got it but if all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► things are equal then I wanna do you think the iPad Pro is a little bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► sorta like who wants this and the answer is there are some people who really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► this yeah but most people are probably not gonna lie and you could do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► industries in with the iPad probably different industries but you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► you know people who do want to do video editing this might actually on the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► this might actually be great for because it's got the big screen and people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► want to who want to draw graphic artists in comic book partisan colorists in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► sorts of different jobs with a pencil and the giant screen perfect and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► like a thousand other niches plus the power user type people who can do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► whole jobs with it and then over time maybe it becomes more than that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► that's that's my gut feeling now is they yeah like a Federico I mean he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► poster boy for it right but I think there are other people and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► people who just like they're having a ripe and realize they've got Office on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► there and that's all they need I think it will find lots of surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► audiences I'm really looking forward to actually in the next six months there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► will probably be a lot of stories about oh did you realize the iPad protects the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► great for acts like oh that is of course it makes perfect sense I didn't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► it at the time but it's a bit too perfect product that but you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► 17 inch PowerBook was like that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► way to time it was huge it was ridiculous and the people who won [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► did it it was in the priceless forever because they were people just did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► want to give up the 17 inch in certain audiences and it wasn't really until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4320">TS</a>]
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01:12:10 ◼ ► was no longer the cafeteria tray laptop with no relevant I think it's maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/4330">TS</a>]
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01:24:30 ◼ ► some players that build a better mousetrap so well that they grow a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► following and then you've got apps that are not necessarily the most exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► but they do the job for a particular area and I i think i I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► nothing in the iPad market that dissuade me from the belief that that people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► still have success making professional software on the iPad I i think if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► just the iPad Pro it's more problematic it would be advantageous if that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► around on the iPhone of course but I don't know I i guess im just I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► saying that it's not hard and there are issues I just I don't think it's quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► as extreme as all that there is no place for good professional apps to make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► but that's a it's a very different game right the volumes are going to be a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► less and the price is going to be a lot higher and you know but I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► I just have a hard time saying it's gonna be a barren wasteland but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► yeah and I just I don't feel like I want to say that the iPad Pro will help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► then I drove it well how am I gonna explain why I think that's so it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► it more or less comes down to it because it's really cool computer and so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► know that that I don't know what the password is I can't explain it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► think it needs that right like but you know and one example of it would be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► mentioned earlier in the show ferrite now there's that's the exact type of app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► that I'm talking about an app that somebody could use to do serious editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► of a podcast using this device so my hope is that those guys do just as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► as they would if it was a Mac out and that people don't hesitate to make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► $20 in-app purchases to unlock the full app I don't like I just worry though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► that the the consensus seems to be that people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► large enough numbers won't do that for her up I think some of it is about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► fact that there are trials although ferret gets around that by making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► appt three and and it's very limited and I i think you can even do that with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► office apps that for really basic use you can just use them you don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► need not have 365 account and their point is that you know once you use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► you gonna want to connect to their services and do all these other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► at which point you need not as 365 account I i think there are ways around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► it but I i get that it's scary and moving something like sketch from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► Mac to the iPad they've said they're not going to do it because they're afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► that you know $400 that their app would be nobody would nobody would pay that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► sight unseen I think there's some truth to that although I think again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► people but there are ways there are ways but yeah it's it's it's very easy to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► look we should radically change how they handle apps for the iPad and they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► allow sideloading or something like gatekeeper we're on the Mac you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► download apps from third parties and depending on your security settings you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► can just run them and that is a breach in this semi impregnable wall of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► fortress of iOS in the App Store but and it would bring problems but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► also bring some freedom and latitude that some of the professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► professionals software developers might like I don't know if it's complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► and I think it's interesting to look at it through the lens of what we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► doing just a little while ago about the keyboard thing which is is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► iPad being allowed to be its own thing and two if we if we start with the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► do we come up with some different answers that we might for the iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► does it need to be like know if it's this way on the iPad is always this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► on the iPhone or does it become a little bit more like the Mac and the attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► towards things like software is a little bit different I don't know and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► know if that would solve it I don't know if opening up the ability to download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► rather than over the App Store it would be a cure-all might help but I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► it's enough and I wondered too how much of it is that independent developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► whether it's like a small like two person you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► true indeed making you know you know sort of like the tablet gang which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► know or you know you know true companies where there's you know maybe like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► employees or something like that but all the way up to a company as big as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► itself that there's that the whole mythical man month aspect of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► development that you cannot just throw engineer's a problem there's there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► know at some point there's too many when there's too many chefs in the kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► you can't cook anything gets bogged down by the bureaucracy of managing the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► and the world keeps moving and the industry moves and you know it's not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► in isolation and I just wonder how much of it is that by having wanting to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► your iPhone up-to-date and moving forward and adding features and wanting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5393">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► for some services like something like Slackware you know the big their big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► screen interface sort of defaults to 0 web you you know even their native Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► app is a web you whether it's a website or a Mac app that by the time you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► these things at the at the ends which could be like one and would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► smaller screen like the iPhone and the others would be the big screen like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► do you do when you're sitting at your desk that the iPad gets lost in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► middle and maybe that's it's the exact same reason that some of these that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► we seem to be alone a lack of professional strength apps for the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► and like we talked about an hour ago that just iOS itself that seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► sort of a just never seem to get around to making the iPad optimized yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► think I think there's a chicken and egg problem there a little bit and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► there's also this issue of getting lost in the shuffle that of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► prioritize the iPhone or the iPad right if you do that then you lose the Ipath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► because it needs love too and it's gotta have some percentage of it if it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► if it's gonna gonna succeed but it's the same platform as the iPhone and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► not as if you can send a team off to do the iPad on the side it's all part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► the of the of the larger hole and and it is it is the doctor the chicken-and-egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► problem that that you almost need more people saying this is a place where I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► doing work for in order to create a place where developers want to be but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► think there will be some developers success stories and I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► maybe in a strange way the existence of the Microsoft and Adobe apps on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► makes it a more welcoming place because that gets you a long way between that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► all the the stock AAPL stuff you can go a long way with what's already on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► iPad Pro you can go a really long way and that might make it easier for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► to start using the iPad Pro and iPad air to do even more of this stuff and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► more welcoming a place that is then maybe the more welcoming market it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► for people building other other software but it is not going to be easy to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► that I'm just not sure whether there are a lot of things that can be done to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► you know easy I think it's going to always be hard cause businesses hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► he comes back again to what we've been saying which is what level of attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► to the Apple want to devote to this market and this product line because on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► one level if you look at the numbers on their own it is a very sizable business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► and on another level it is in the shadow of an enormous business and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► that's been to the detriment of the iPad all along the existence the iPhone is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► great as it is for Apple it makes it so easy to ignore the IP right and I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► I wrote about Brian somebody's somebody's article I wrote a piece on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► during fireball sort of taking a guy article part for arguing that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► in trouble because the iPhone is so big but I think I do think that there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► not that Apple is actually in danger because the iPad iPhone businesses so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► big but I do think that there there are plenty of arguments to me that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► not good overall that the iPhone is so big but they're subtle arguments and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► example one of them is that the iPad lacks attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's not right exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► the danger of having such a wildly successful business every piece about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► this like a year ago in six colors and it was all just about the crushing math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► of the iPhone right like it's so big that it's very hard if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► responsible manager in Apple not to always choose the iPhone because every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► improves you know if you do all things that improves the iPhone by 1% you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► you've made up you have to improve the iPad sales by 40% or whatever I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► whatever the number is but it would be it's just an enormously different scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► and so you need the discipline to say this business is also important and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► deserves a percentage of our time but I can tell you as the guy who worked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► Macworld that once we were part of PC world which was larger than us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► it became very difficult to get people to pay attention to us because we were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► small fraction of the business and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► you know it takes some discipline to say I have to businesses that I run and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► need them both to succeed and it's very easy to say well where can I get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► most return it's the big business so let's just invest in the big business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► and not worry about the small business and sometimes I see that with the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and the iPad yeah it's it's a much more nuanced argument to be had but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► think it's it's there and it clearly sort of stands out so switching gears a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► little bit there's this article I have not written about it and didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► read it until just before re-recorded but Fast Company an article this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► Bruce Hagen Azimi aka tog and Don Norman Norman group oh yeah yeah yeah it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► nielsen yeah and this this article broke my heart because I mean are you a fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► talk back in the day yeah I guess I get tog on design Todd was a guy who was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► Apple again the eighties and really kind of spearheaded the original Human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► Interface Guidelines and talk on design I don't know how I got my hands on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► because it was sometimes it was hard to get those books back then I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► but at some point like in high school I got my hands on top gun design and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► realize I was like so it was the sort of thing I love thinking about but it it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► was like this is what I want to do with my life I guess at the time I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► more I wanted to design interfaces and do that and instead I've but I was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► in a way though I just instead of really doing much design work I just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► about them in comment on them but I knew that this was the field that I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► to dig into and when I remember in particular about our gun design was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► how they started with check boxes and a check box was on or off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► 01 and not very hard at all and I think it even got into a member of the Old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► Market did used to be filled in with an axe instead of a track like a phantom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► inside the square yeah weird i mean this talking we're talking like system 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► system 7 like before they were color but then the other thing but the the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5815">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► meat of the chapter though was that they encountered there were certain scenarios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► where something that clearly was asking for a checkbox could have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► indeterminate state and it was an honour off but it was like half way and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► think of an example of the top man but that he had a good example it's that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► remember the role of the idea of a roll-up where you've got you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► underneath and the roll-up is where you can toggle something on and off and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► of them are checking some of them were not so you can't say that the roll-up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► on or off its in this indeterminate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► some some on some off right now here's an example an example would be let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► I select the name Jason and I hit command I and i italicized in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► of a sentence where the sentence wasn't it Alex and when I guess to have Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► selected or I select just the J and I got to the menu where it shows me at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► Alexs the word at Alexander Mann you would have a check next to it that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► check mark a check box but it still is a check and it's the same problem what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► you do though when I select your name and the next word where one of them is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► one word is italicized one is not what do you put next to the word italic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► they were stumped by this and then the solution eventually came to a night they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► still use is to use like a dash so there's a check to say that it's on but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► then there's a dash to show that it's gone it's complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► I chapter and the fact that they some company that you know and I i new Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► is at the time and a new apple computer company that I was most interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► but the fact that they had they had clearly spend as much time thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► about this problem as in my imagination Apple spent on problems like this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► you could just go off and have like a team of your top people spend like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► week trying to figure out how to solve the problem of what do you use when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► check mark isn't quite right I like this this is what I want to do like 20 but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► was clearly somebody who like inspired me to get into this industry this our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► hall pass company embraced it so bad I told you read it before the show what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► did you think yup yah I think what I had my response was it's just as bad as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► had heard from seeing it linked everywhere you know they're couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► things going on here it's how Apple's giving design about that name as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► headline that's the actual headline of the are now a lot of the way it's played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► and I can't tell how much of this is the writers and how much of that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► editors they want the street to be how current Apple Design is a failure they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► want this to be about the you know the sort of last couple of years functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► high ground skew morphism debate kind of issues have left Apple in a place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► it's kinda lost it that's the story that they that they want to tell and fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► company design wants to tell right that's that's that's the story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► problem is and this is richard harris who used to work at Apple he tweeted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► link to this and my response was I love those guys but you realize they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► complaining about Apple designed for like twenty years now and that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► my problems with it is I think it's well I know it is disingenuous I just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► sure exactly who's being how disingenuous it is disingenuous to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► suggest that this is a comment about anything Apple has done just in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► couple of years because these guys have been complaining these guys have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► been an Apple since basically it right when Steve Jobs came back and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► been complaining about Apple's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► designed for a very long time they have been complaining about it they complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► about the iPhone design you know and I don't want to say that they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► valid complaints some of the complaints about usability are right there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► aspects where there's that the old man yells at Cloud kind of thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► they're like it's it's totally Apple's fault but why is Google following them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► and Microsoft is also doing things that aren't a great we're like oh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► everybody then accept you because you know how to do this and nobody else does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► and you know again there's plenty to criticize here but I'm not sure this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► the article that the does the best job of it because it's not new for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► criticize Apple Design I've been doing it a very long time I i think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► the things that criticized are not recent their root issues about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► touchscreen interface where they don't like it and there is this little veneer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► that I have to I have to say I find it distasteful or I feel like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► they're really mad that there aren't drop down menus and that there's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► discovery building is what they did with the drop-down menus and stuff in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► early Mac and that was aces and now you know now that these devices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► discoverable like that and they're right that they're not but you know it's we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► come a long way since then and there are kind of different metaphors that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► there and you can dislike them all you like but it's very difficult to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► this as being like Apple isn't it isn't designed tailspin last couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► because if you really went back and looked at what these guys have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► criticizing they've been saying apples bananas designs tailspin for like 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► years or twenty in the yeare if you had told me a few years ago that Norman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► would read this article about design in 2015 I might have thought a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► ago who that might be really good and the reason why I think at a fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► level they have a sort of the approach designed from what I would describe as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► sort of academic background and they use a sort of academic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► level of rigor and they they are both famously very very strong proponents of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6174">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► user testing where you get real people and you study them in a very formal way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► and with you know with a real procedural aspect to it and you study you know a/b [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► test all sorts of different things and measure response times and and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► like that and Apple you know the modern Apple that they're comparing to call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► cowboy but it is definitely not academic it is a lot more of a liberal arts style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► approach to design and that to me there are differences and there's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► some things you know i i think you could there there's on this general subject a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► book should be read in a wonderful thoughtful book that would you know be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► worth referring to for decades to come by talking about the differences between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► the old apple that was more academic in its approach to user interface design in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► the new Apple which is not and this article is not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► this article is definitely more old man yells it at the cloud just broke my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► heart I remember so I started a Mac user as an intern in the summer of 93 so was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► like right when the news came out it was it was in the sculley era and then I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► to work there through the through the sort of darker even darker times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► they got darker still in jobs came back and these guys are both representatives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► of that kind of like first half of Apple's existence and you're right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► know I don't know how much you had any interaction with Apple at that time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► was just a Super Junior editor so I did have a lot of it but that Apple was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► unlike the Apple that Steve Jobs fashion when he came back because it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► super they had pie in the sky are indeed they were super academic focused and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► problem was that they spend a whole lot of money and they had a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► shipping products and I'm not saying that these guys are brilliant and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► make some good points but it was a different company then and the results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► of when Steve Jobs came back and said you know we're not gonna be like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► anymore we're gonna be like this they start to ship some really great products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► now where they compromised in ways that perhaps some of the earlier Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► products weren't maybe but those early Apple products were compromised all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► sorts of other ways so you know it it's the academic Apple I would say as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► as I appreciated conceptually I got to live through the the latter days of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► and it was bad i mean he was they did a bad job with products and they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► have been thinking about a really hard but the actual company was falling apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► in the products were bad and I you know I don't talk was long gone I think by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► then but you know I don't know this article yet there's some there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► old man yells a cloud in here where it's like why is nobody listening to us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► why are all the touchscreen interface is bad and I don't agree that they're bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► there's some value criticism in there they have some very they pick on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► very specific things that are very obviously problematic in the way Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► products are designed I think and totally totally valid and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► the third thing at work and that's what I can tell it whether it's how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► it is fast company and how much of it is the writers which is what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► newspaper this how do we make this relevant and the answer is to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► play up that Apple is suddenly gotten to this point and you know these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► guys who cried wolf this is this is an alert about what's going on right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► and the fact that these are the guys who cried wolf these guys have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► complaining about Apple designed for years then there's aspects of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► of their criticism that to me or just wrong like they're complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► that on like the iPhone and i guess i pad but like on iOS that the fonts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► 22 then to read and I think that was true of the Iowa seven public beta I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6414">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► guess it wasn't a public beta but I when I was 7 was first shown two years ago to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► be the BBC and they were using the really lightweight version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► yeah we have Helvetica Neue throughout the UI including it was added to fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► fight for the body of an email I would totally agree I think that was to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► but they change that before it even shipped the fonts are not too thin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► they're saying they kept saying that the contrast is too low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► almost all the texts I read on my phone is black text on a white background or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► even like messages where you've got these colored backgrounds I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► it's a lack of contrast and I think that the the font size choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► system wide control of the fun thing is really great in Iowa s III I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► they're told I think it I think that what they're saying is a problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► actually one of the things that iOS does great I think and especially with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► switch to San Francisco I think text has done nothing but get more readable on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► screen and I said somebody with less than perfect vision at this point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► think I think some of what they're picking up on his is some technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► issues which again makes it makes you feel a little more dated which is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► apps have been really adopted the text size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► the system light exercise for medical Google's apps last time I checked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► didn't do it right and so my mom was using the Gmail app and she was she got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► an iPhone 6 now so it scaled up and it's bigger and you can read about her but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► she wanted to scale up the font and but use the Gmail app and it does doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► scale up and you know that's a that's a technical issue where app developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► aren't adopting it to the idea that you can set a system might exercise if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► wanted bigger or smaller is is not a bad line to it which bothered ya like slacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► default font size is actually beneath the threshold of what I can comfortably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► read and they don't follow the system might setting and I don't want to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► my system ID setting for slack because I like the default system ID setting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► the system but I feel like if you're going to go with a custom font which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► like has been you need custom font size but anyway I really doubt that Norman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwsS1Jg/6550">TS</a>]
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