00:00:00 ◼ ► to watch football are kind of I know you're a basketball guy know your NBA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► guy football football arm like I in the city like i like the idea of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/7">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► like I mean like boycott football because it's like killing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/16">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► yeah arm and I can be all self-righteous about and say well I don't watch don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► watch football on the problem is that the main reason to watch football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/23">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► because it's on in the middle of the night and I find football of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/27">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► sports the least amenable to watching not live which is weird because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/31">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► watching that why you can watch it takes 30 minutes right arm but and buttocks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► know what I came to tell on the first time at like there weren't really any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► streaming things was much more difficult to do that I and then when I went back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► uh I was right back to write back write back on the conscience and they have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► dudes inside idea but i'm i'm gonna be kept here about it so I do watch some I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► do watch it some arm i actually got the NFL package this year but I'm terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/59">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► conflicted about it but it's not that's I mean you know it's so compelling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► watch the Superbowl i did i did and we were able to watch it live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/68">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► yeah I I i have the the NFL streaming arm thing which they actually includes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/73">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► all the commercials and all that sort of stuff so you i was able to offer snide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/81">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► remarks along with the rest of Twitter I feel the same way about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► I figured if I talked about this on the show before I i know i've linked to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► and a cocky has to that it's like the NFL is so incredibly popular in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► United States and its if anything more popular than it ever was especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/100">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► compared to other team sports but yet it really does seem like the support as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/105">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► know it is completely doomed ought to be doomed and I I do feel as it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/109">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► semi casual fan somebody who doesn't really watch as many games i used to i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/114">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► do I actually feel like I get complicit it's like a guilt that this up the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► as configured is you know literally killing people and and you know giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/124">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► them and not just kill you know but then you know making the last year's of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► if absolutely miserable with this chronic traumatic and cephalo pathy CTE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/133">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► in other words though long story short for anybody doesn't follow football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► there is massive evidence i mean just overwhelming evidence like smoking is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/143">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► bad for your lungs and gives you cancer evidence that playing football even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/148">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► like high school level even if you just play in high school and then never play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► again but let alone if you go on to play college where people hit you harder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► go on to a pro career where bigger people hate you even harder for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/162">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► years that the repeated hits to your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/165">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► I end up causing terrible scoring that your brain is not meant to have and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/170">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► causes you know depression and all sorts of other problems but it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► nasty nasty degenerative brain disease and if it really seems like it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► know it's just unbelievable how many former pro-football players have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► right it and that's that's the thing that arm it's easy to say well these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► guys know what they're doing they're paid millions of dollars that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► trade-off they make but the problem is that all you know like any prosport only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► a very small fraction of people playing actually you know make money from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/199">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► uh and then use your bases are paying your head from the time your kid on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/205">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► that's you know there's a lot of people that aren't that are winning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► trade-off to say the least and there were a couple of concussions in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/215">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► superbowl I'm reading an article here this is the Panthers wide receiver Corey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/220">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► Brown suffered concussion and Broncos linebacker shaquil barrett I forget his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/226">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► name I thought number 88 for the Broncos clearly had a concussion he got like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/230">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► clock cleaned and an early play and then later like the next time you run a route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► he just felt all day the left but really I don't know it and then just to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/240">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► the word concussion mentioned during the game you just know that the NFL there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► somebody the NFL is like a really open to get through this game without that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► yup way it is not just I mean that's the serious one but I mean there's also i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/255">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► mean what what these people with these guys are doing to their to their bodies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/260">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► I mean it was a ben ben roethlisberger in the playoffs dislocated his throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► arm and somehow managed to come in with up you know a few series later in play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/272">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► right arm you know and just just I i don't think it magically healed itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/278">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► in the meantime I you know there was like some horse tranquilizers being used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► or something like that I mean who knows what they're these guys are shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► this of themselves up with 44 are our entertainment mom and yeah it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/291">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► definitely it's with one of those things that it's it's hard to think a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/297">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► my theory and i said i think i've written Sundering for but my theory is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► that the way the long-term way out is for football to evolve into a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/304">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► basketball like game that is mostly around more or less like professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/309">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► flag football but it's mostly like quarterbacks and wide receivers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/314">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► athletic passing place and defensive guys you know who can counter that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/318">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► because I feel like that's the part of the game that I like best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► I love the passing game and I love you know some of the just incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► athleticism of you know catching a ball at full speed while running 50 yards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► downfield but I feel like there's way too much of the popularity is tied up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► that gladdie gladatorial aspect of the the violence you know that I say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► and I might enjoy watching that game and I like watching basketball but that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► reason that sport is so popular as I way too much to do with the actual brutal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► yeah i think that the weather that's part of it too and the other thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► that part of what makes football so compelling is arm is like it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/359">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► such a strategic sort of game time into you know so much violence and and part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► of that strategy is very much a sort of war of attrition aspect like you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/370">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► you do stuff in the first quarter like you you run plays that achieve no gain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/376">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► uh in part two with the purple express purpose of wearing down the Defense so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/380">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► that you can you pull off those plays we later in the game and like justify mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► the fundamental nature is of it is so tied into who you know like getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/390">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► and the other thing too is the trend I what you say makes sense intellectually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► but the actual trend of the game is yes as right guys being bigger and stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/404">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► and faster and hitting right ice I fully acknowledge the wistful wishful thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/408">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► aspect of my make it more like flag football and basketball type athletic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/414">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► game I fully acknowledge that it really contrasts and is in the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/419">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► direction of what is actually going on with the league [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► what did they say they say the one of the most interesting stats so there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► they were making a big celebration about the fact that this was super bowl 50 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► Cam Newton the quarterback for the Carolina Panthers is 65 and 245 pounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/435">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► he he's bigger than every single player who is on the championship green bay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/443">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► packers team from Superbowl one that's crazy the quarterback the quarterback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/450">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► was bigger than everybody on a legendary legendarily great and and sort of rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/456">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► and tough big you know run it you know three yards and a cloud of dust green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/463">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► bay packers team kind of unbelievable it is only well yeah I thought and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► again I think part of what makes football so appealing to is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/474">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► strategy is is very easily a parent to the slave play person fan that specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/477">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► tactics aren't right like the exact nature of what the precision of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/483">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► plane the complexity of a given play is you know obviously it's different ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/488">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► seen like the size of an NFL playbook although i guess now they're all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/492">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► size of a surface tablet but back when they were in a few you're on brand back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► when they were in a binder they were just like phonebook size but that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/500">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► know that there its complex tactics and very simple strategy and I thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/504">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► superbowl really super bowl was a perfect example of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► yep definitely it's a garden where where where where I don't know this is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/511">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► or worse than baseball baseball talked about Bob it's got to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/518">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► you know I I'm so I'm so it it's it's all those things I mean it's a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/525">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► you know it it's a reminder of about standing and doesn't everyone about on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/533">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► anything to anyone because I there's no question that the hypocrite and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/540">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► to say I'm was a hypocrite because i don't watch that many games or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► like that but then actually that's just a matter of circumstance by being honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/548">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► with myself and you want to think about it here's the long term the long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► pessimist strategy about the NFL football in general the NFL from the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► down at the professional level is a they're very successful there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/561">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► you know like in terms of PR and have good lawyers I mean I mean they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► effectively their lawyers are so good they've gotten everybody who doesn't pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► them a fortune to refer to the game is the big game instead of the superbowl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► behind not as crazy it's absolutely not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► how bad are not bad but how effective they are having gotten rid of anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► using those that the two words Super Bowl without paying them and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/586">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► shows how unbelievable the brand is for the simple that they want to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► right like most liked the MV i don't think the NBA finals is so our or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/594">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► World Series is anywhere near as as litigious about that because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► people talking about the world series they want people talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/604">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► where's the superbowl the NFL's a we know you're talking about super bowl so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► you're gonna pay us for those words though I think it's from the bottom up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/611">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► where the game collapses which is that high schools and youth leagues are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/616">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► to start getting sued more and more and I feel like lawyers and insurance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/622">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► companies are going to start telling I don't know if this is like next few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► years thing or if it's a 10 years from now thing but I think it's absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► within the next 15 years that you know insurance companies are going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/634">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► telling schools we you you can have a football team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► yep and more and more even without that I think you got more and more parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/641">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► who are saying to their athletic children and let's just face it quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/649">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► I mean there's a video there's a few girls who play here and there but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/655">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► usually quite notable you know you can't play football you know you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/659">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► play soccer in the fall and basketball in the winter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/664">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► you can play baseball in the spring but you're not playing football and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► with good reason i don't i don't think i would let my kid play fact i know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► wouldn't definitely want to play football and I think it's gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► more and you start hearing it now from football players i create when I said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/679">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► wouldn't let his kids play football and once that starts happening in fewer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/683">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► fewer athletic kids even play football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► the kids who are who are the extraordinary athlete to micropro are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/692">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► going to end up in different leagues you know they're going to end up pitching in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/696">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► maybe well maybe we'll finally have a good US Secretary I'm not that we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/701">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► negative team but you know and we get if we get the the the best athletes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/706">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► right I my board with that the other thing too is because the easy football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► is such a you American sport like I'm like baseball has lost a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/714">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► particularly like the inner cities uh and certain parts of the country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/718">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► baseball has really fallen off but it's been armed from white American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/722">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► particular there's been a huge influx of talent that is that is really you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► pick up pick up the pace but football's not going to have that aren't and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/732">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► what's once it loses the the American pipeline that's that's the only pipeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► yeah I i think the long-term path is that it devolves into a regional support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► in the u.s. South yep curious how it plays out it was it's it's um I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/745">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► is amazing amazing how popular and pervasive it is i mean even on something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/753">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► like you know like detect circles that we we tend to you know within and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/759">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► circulated and I mean there's a lot of football fans far more than ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/765">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► basketball or baseball or or any other sport you every Sunday you know even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/768">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► you followed up on Twitter and you know I all the people are going to play with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► this podcast know our I'm sure are our grimacing because they know that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► talking about but it everyone's talking about the play and and and what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► it's it's really quite remarkable I still there but in a Super Bowl just has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► this weird gravity I mean really does and I know it's corny it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► cliché that people say well just watching for the commercials but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► true and because people have parties you know you mean somebody says hey come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► over to my house and having a dozen people over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► gonna have you know you know big platters of food and lots of beer people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/799">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► come over and if you're not really into the game you take your bathroom breaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► when the game comes back on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/808">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► yep boy away with a lot of those commercials this year we're awful i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/811">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► don't know if you got the same commercials that we did an idea I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► all the same commercials that he didn't I think they're usually always awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► it's this weird sort of arm every year it's the worst year ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/821">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► I'm and then but they just one of those things the one that stuck out to me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/827">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► most was a new one for diarrhea medicine where the star of the commercial was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/831">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► walkie human bowel abdominal pain he they made a cgi human bowel with eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/838">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► and little legs and he's at the game and he's he's got diarrhea and the line to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/846">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► the bathroom is a too long and now he doesn't know what to do because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► about to school we didn't have pants he's not going to not gonna shit his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/857">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► pants I guess just gonna go all over the floor like where is everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/862">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► well maybe even funnier is that was the second that was the second body movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/868">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► real and christ-like Nick there's already one forgot the face in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► two out right they had a constipation one anniversary with him packing with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/878">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► guy walking around watching people boob is hot dog puppy on the street but very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/882">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► whimsical if you need an opioid to manage your chronic pain you may be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/887">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► constipated it feels like everyone can go except you and he was jealous now use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/892">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► it was like a dog was enjoying a nice nice nice dropping like I used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/899">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► like that is like like like some some old man watching the youngins right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/905">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► remember when i could enjoy a nice crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/909">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► boy those were the days is not a good ad not a fun add long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► for a change have the conversation with your doctor about oh IC and ask about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/918">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► I don't know like you know it's just followed right up by just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/927">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► there's some kids having fun with a coke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/931">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► so speaking of the superbowl the other tie into to our usual beat is a Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/941">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► was at the Super Bowl and I'm sure you saw this right that was fucked up they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/947">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► so the game is over I guess he had really good seats look like he had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► sideline seats you know I don't use a box that i saw some photos later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/957">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► looks like the photo so what happened is the game is over Tim Cook decides to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► tweet congrats to the championship Denver Broncos and he took a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► like the celebration on the field like fireworks going off and and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► on-field I don't know how that happens but like at the Super Bowl when the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► is over there's seemingly like 1500 people who stormed the field so right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/977">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► pandemonium on the field I anything posted photo it to Twitter and it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/983">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► know it's not a great photo it's dark and it's blurry and I mean dark meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/989">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► like it's nighttime there and there was they turn the lights down so you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/993">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► the fireworks and so there's camera blur because it's you know there's not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► light to take a short picture it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► I know and then and then he got excoriated on Twitter it seem like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► know and and people in the press were to picking up on writing stories that Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► cooked took a terrible photo at the Superbowl it will ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1014">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► everyday I love sure they're always there is a you know explained it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► perfectly fine reasons for it to be blurry i thought it was by that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► pretty hilarious the Virgin like Casey Newton the words had a funny post talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► about people being mean mean to be mean to him cook and I think he sees that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► excuse for his opening paragraph which was hilarious and super mean arm by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► way whatever if you're if you're the if you're Tim Cook arm i think you can feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► it will be ok so ebay ended up deleting the tweet right and then he posted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► much better picture a few minutes later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► but people still we're making jokes I guess the joke's everyone to make was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► they were sticking his photo is blurry sort of slightly up not quite squared up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► photo into a shot with iphone 6 billboard you kept but yes that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► exactly it i got an email here is in the actual actual email from an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► actual reader I will not mention his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► no subject of course this is the entire email I got from her daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► reader not a word about the shitty photo you are a pig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► this isn't even met like to cook and that's only about not a word about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► shitty photo return return you are a pig so i just wrote back to him and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► your message made my day thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► Ellis that was graceful of you i like to pretend when i get an email like that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► like to pretend that I just answer every email as though it's I love your website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► that's the best thing I've read all day i tried the first thing I read every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► and that's exactly how I right back to the people who write something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► I wonder what happened I kind of I like the idea that that tim cook sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► tweets like that just like a normal person right like you know he's excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► he's a sports fan he's at the Superbowl it takes a picture he's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► professional photographer whatever however much you want to praise the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► iphone 6 I don't know what he's probably what do you think is a 6x think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► plus guy I no idea i wonder well it's a 50-50 chance easy they got the success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► of the success plus if you had the pulse i'll probably the sticks because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► doesn't address table is right maybe that's what you maybe needs the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► stabilization but either way even with the image stabilization as fine as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► camera as it is and arguably easily arguably the best of any cellphone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► in arguably among the best of any phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► I think that's fair to say it is going to struggle in certain lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► conditions and the end on the field at the super bowl is certainly after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► game at nighttime is certainly one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► I thought it it i thought that there was a tangible realness to it and no this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► not the type of photo you're gonna put on a billboard shot with iphone 6 but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► the photo itself wasn't great but I thought that the whole hell even the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► of Apple take streets after an exciting thing like this is was an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► angle you know it may I i think that he should have deleted it like he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► have liked it was it could have been a hilarious like segue like the next Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► presentation or yes yes like own it let it play out and then and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► you could you know you can make a joke about it and a subsequent event right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► now it's exactly exactly like people that that's like--that's what Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► does twitter twitter is run on Stark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► unfortunately he can't quite be the villagers was not yet anyway are but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► I had no idea its its people are going to make fun of it that's what people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► yeah I i think the the real mistake was wasn't was into eating it and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► just look the examiner reinforces it it takes away the credibility from things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► you see in the future like if you do something like that like you said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► makes you look real mix of human we've all taken crappy photos arm and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► know there's a benefit to to long-term benefits even if it's very slight to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► being a regular guy and not being a you know feeling like everything is run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► through PR and control and all that sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► yeah yeah that's exactly what i would like to see you know avoid or I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► like the collect that collectively and we can't I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► nobody's going to listen to me just because I'm saying on the show and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► not saying you know poor timko can't take it but I just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► collectively Twitter's group behavior forces people in a higher profiles to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► Asgard on Twitter as they are anywhere else you know where as Twitter could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► a place where you know somebody like the CEO of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► company in the world could have a little fun but it's like ya say we have to ruin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► everything and I'm sorry and I'm not trying to make excuses for it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► because it's an iphone and I mean it was not a great photo but it wasn't horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► it wasn't like ridiculous and if you don't understand that that's a tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► I I mean it's like I don't know what to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► uh yeah i read this is this is one of those things where people know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► like that people like to be outraged they like to play like to make a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► deal of stuff that that probably wasn't a big deal and and I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► there's a sense particular someone like tim cook or anyone that has relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► high profile like there's a there's ad dehumanization that kind of occurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► tonight again i don't think that i don't think that Tim Cook was losing sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► because people are making fun of his photo but you know it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► unfortunately that's just the reality of being a public forum and I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► you know it's a real this is a real a real challenge for twitter my maybe on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► twitter is all others problems by is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► it's didn't the virtue is being public the virtues the fact you can connect and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► talk to anyone right and that is the downside in spades right how long after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► he posted that tweeting his phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► jingle then looks down on it and it says Steve down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► that's what do you say you'd only big utilities envision how this happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► right so you what I think was the boxes down the field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► it's very like I'm sure it's very exciting stuff around takes a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► prices posted with the barely even looking at it and he has like all of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► start it without ever having been even I've never been in this stadium for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► super bowl but just watching on TV which i think almost makes it seem more saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► because like they have cameras that are high up that are that are stable and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► cameramen on the field are truly truly amazing professional photographers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► that it it's controlled barely controlled pandemonium you know with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► not not overstating in and you just know that like 10 minutes later darling out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► of column it and I bet it was a tough call but it was like do you know why but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► it wasn't like a clear-cut call ya buy a doll i thought it was body I I just wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1465">TS</a>]
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00:24:55 ◼ ► that the timing doesn't work because new iPhones are going to come to September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1495">TS</a>]
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00:28:10 ◼ ► that's a good segue to talking about Twitter right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► yes we want the superbowl to tempt this could be a very seamless show this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1693">TS</a>]
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00:28:21 ◼ ► superbowl tim cook at the super bowl in his tweet that he that he deleted also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► by the way the second one he posted the photo is beautiful it was a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► photo now let's talk about Twitter and you you had a good piece i think i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► went up yesterday as we record yes it's been up for about 24 hours or so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► want to paraphrase too much but did just a bit being you quoted a thing that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► wrote that and I've said this before I've said this many times that the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► that really is unfair to Twitter and hurts twitter is that there compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► facebook maybe mostly by light that sort of Wall Street perspective and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► measure they come up short and as time goes on there coming up shorter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► shorter because facebook is killing it and twitter is sort of spinning its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► wheels and it it's unfair to Twitter because twitter has an amazing thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► just happens to be this amazing thing that seemingly naturally is way smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► and Facebook and your argument is be that as it may they're screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► yet with the the real problem with for them and for any company is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► the the business model I mean Twitter made a choice to be a ad-supported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► business and that choice has certain you know certain applications to it arm what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► basically you you can export business you either have to have these extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► high performing adds that convert like Google or you need to have a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► audience that you're very good at arguing arm you know more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► facebook sort of thing and Twitter doesn't doesn't really have either and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► and so the big problem is that yes for me user perspective to use facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► use Twitter are are are different experiences but they're competing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► the same customer by customer i mean the same advertiser in the same advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► dollars and and that's that that's a problem because what if you're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► advertiser and you have limited not just money but limited time like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► time component to Twitter once their custom ad campaigns facebook wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► circus making things google wants us back and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► things been traumatic campaigns you know snapchat all these sorts of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► yes there is a shift in money from you know other forms immediate to digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► but where are you going to spend your time particularly when uh you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► pretty much the same audience with better data better targeting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► tracking and they have enough inventory to satisfy your needs on facebook what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► the point in spending money on on Twitter and so that it that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► that's the problem it's a problem from a long-term sustainability perspective and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► it's a problem from a absolutely from a stock perspective I mean there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► twitter stock is down massively arm from its highs in from from its IPO price in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► part because you you know that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► investors are brightly and masturbation losing faith that there is any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► real growth story for twitter i mean a company that is more than 10 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► and has yet to turn a profit right and it's a bummer its memories like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► I think I mean backpack with twitter made this decision there was still kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► of the sense that you know at of course all consumer services will be at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► supported and uh and I i actually think that's in its increasingly questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► the Greens that's going to be the point i mean face because facebook and google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► or so dominance and the big difference is you know they have so much inventory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► like they can soak up you know so much so much to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1931">TS</a>]
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00:32:19 ◼ ► else arm Twitter like Twitter's do the format of twitter is isn't as as great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► for advertising what is twitter good at twitter is good at data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1948">TS</a>]
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00:32:38 ◼ ► are building an interest graph as opposed to a a social graph that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► make the potential for targeting you know much more interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1964">TS</a>]
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00:32:51 ◼ ► going through the hard work of building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► twitter feed which is really difficult in this is a big problem thinking new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► users arm but that data the data and happens on Twitter the fact that Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► is so central to things like the Super Bowl and things that are going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► you can get real-time understanding what's happening and what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1987">TS</a>]
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00:33:18 ◼ ► yeah same thing for me last night as a as a political junkie US national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► political junkie at least watching last night as we recorded the day after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► new hampshire primary which wasn't all that exciting I mean it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► decision that was one that came out sort of as the the poles got it exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2011">TS</a>]
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00:33:46 ◼ ► remember watching as a political junkie watching something like the returns on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► an election our primary election without Twitter because one of the things always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► made of frustrating to me is a news junkie is that the news on an election [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► night doesn't come in fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► the news doesn't come in and so they just fill it with the pundit ree but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► because that there's not much news coming in they're just going to multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► people to sort of say the same thing right and it doesn't go fast enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► satisfy my attention addled brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► ok and so Twitter fills that in because all of a sudden that's where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► somebody will come up with something that's actually an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► observation or funny Joker something the snark we referred to her yeah with it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► think Twitter and Twitter it's funny you mentioned we live in a kind of politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► i think the problem for Twitter the charger twitter is actually uh were kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► of similar to the problem faced by news in general I mean news is very valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► and it's also worthless because it's fish trap literally I mean it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► it's an old joke if you're ordering a newspaper industry but to today's news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► is tomorrow's fish wrap that's exactly it in but the problem now is today's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► tweet like Twitter so valuable because someone can break a story with a tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► the tweet is than worthless or and and/or the the news in the tweeters than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► worthless rightly it's like heat it's out there like there's there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► it's out it's a public good now a campaign can be kept it can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► uh and that's kind of the case for Twitter on Twitter une it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► impossible to read a new story about lots of things without there being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► embedded tweets for example right uh but but that doesn't make it worth something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► it was from a traditional sort of advertising perspective or twitter has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► to keep all the eyeballs and then that's what's going on like yes you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► recognize that Twitter is essential and appreciate the fact that Twitter can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► essential for you know someone who doesn't use twitter because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► gonna find out about happen on Twitter immediately anyways you know through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► some other channel through web page they read and in doubt you almost set to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► think like the model that might have worked for twitter and it would be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► know what's the most successful news company argued with something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► Bloomberg right where they they actually the news is a means to sell a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► product and the physical product is in part about utilities and part about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► status in part about the the internal social network that rumor terminals have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► and in that all washer uses talk to each other and that is something that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► that sort of model up a platform model but a different kind of platform model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► not an advertising buffer model is that might make sense for twitter but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► where you get back to the fact that Twitter didn't even start to Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► spent so long so many years the beginning not developing the product not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► developing monetization but basically trying to kill each other arm and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► you don't metaphorically speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► I still feel like institutionally there is a uncertainty as to what the hell'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► twitter is I tonight and it hasn't it they had it when they came out when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► came out in $MONTH 2006 or owner of the river something in 2005-2006 is when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► there was a clear idea of what it was or what it was supposed to be and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► obviously evolved over the years I what they're i'm not saying they should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► back to the original idea i mean they didn't even have things like at replies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► there was all this stuff that came out of user behavior the whole day original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► idea was to tell people what you're up to it was four I think been an elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► pitch it was your AOL status at a it combined with the old unix finger you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► know right status right we do you remember that I mean I'd better explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► that for anybody who doesn't know you because you would people with with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► this was something on him that isn't there isn't some anecdote around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► messaging services about why someone wanted something that people would would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► set their this backward couple were in college like that they're there LOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► that's our knowledge when I was in college when i was in college you set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► your finger status so late when i was in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► well I mean I don't know when this fell apart but it you'd get like an account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► on a unix you know machine and that's where you go to check your email and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► stuff like that but if you created an account in your home folder with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► name . finger now the . made it like a secret invisible file so you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► see it all the time you would just put like where you are like if you were home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► for winter break and you weren't around you could put it in there and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► you wanted to check the status of somebody you know you would just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► finger been at whatever school been goes to . I'd you and then it would read back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► who's the idiot who named the command finger i I don't I don't know maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► knew exactly what they were doing it appears there's actually a lot of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► like this in like old texts or stuff that's just really questionable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► retrospect right here is navy conventions in like right uh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► the idea was that you're like poking finger and I'm like what's he up to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► then you can just you just update your finger you know and that's what Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► was trigger was like what are you up to what are you doing and you say i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► I'm you know getting my first you know coffee of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► and then what and evolved from there I think the thing that the way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► always thought about it is I mean two things Twitter involved really quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► like oh and actually most of the core conventions of Twitter like the at reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► and the retweet and other stuff were in the product within like a year janitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► and a half and it basically the product has not evolved since then I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► one the one real big addition was the was the real retweet like we could with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► it not the manual reach right we actually did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► arm i think that was 2009 or something like that but other than that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► product with the broad figured it out pretty quickly and the way out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► way I was characterized it I repeat what it's like over a year ago was this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► actually a big problem for twitter and the reason was a problem was our music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► like product-market fit for companies right a company is likely they have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► idea for product and it's not quite right but if you gotta figure out who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► their customers and they get it right and then I once you get that right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► your product in your marketing you know your market near the right product for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► it that's when you pour on the money in you scale and you get a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► customers that sort of thing but you have to get product market fit first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► almost a challenge for twitter was that they the initial product was so was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► powerful it was so good it like they never had to go through that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► struggle to figure out what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► it just took off and date and so they never had to go through that internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► process of figuring out what their product is who the customer is what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► it does it just happened and so the problem was it didn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► perfectly enough to reach everyone like it would write the utility was so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► the twitters always been hard to use like to get started I mean to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► started from but the utility was so good that all escapes were more than happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► jump through all the hoops to figure out how to use it because the utility was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► massive but you get down to like what i call a marginal user right where is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► where is the utility up with that I might get from Twitter worth the cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► can take me to get up to it and they hit that marginal user after a few hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► million and and just round to a halt right and don't you think that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► case that it's just too hard to guess and when you're inside and like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► you work at Twitter and you're there for a reason to be optimistic and you get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► it's easy to maybe even lie to yourself a little bit that during that growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► spades space early on while the product is still evolving and there's clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► enthusiasm and you know you've got something electric on your hands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► it's very unclear what how you know while the growth is going on about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► much growth there is ahead of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► it's right in and I think that Twitter guessed wrong i think a lot of investors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► get strong in terms of it being too optimistic with into is I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► 2008 two things one Twitter's growth really it happened in $MONTH 2009 where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► the growth just suddenly stopped that was also the time where Twitter was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► having massive technical problems like the site could not stay up arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► yeah you people don't forget to fail well actually I have a farewell clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► vital like to so they had their hands full basically rebuilding the service on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► the fly it used to be you could count on it like clockwork that it would fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► during an apple event hopefully will be used to fill almost every day I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► that was an improvement but it only failed during bigger than well he'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► there was a time where it was on the verge of complete collapse then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► was a time where on a daily basis they were up but something like an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► event could make a collapse which is normally but it which is it again for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► and you and the folks listen to the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► yeah that's a big deal but compared to the Superbowl or the academy awards or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► it's nothing like that however much attention Apple gets compared to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► other technical company they don't get that much for a tuesday morning at $TIME [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► noon eastern press event and yet it Twitter would just be you just and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► was it so that was a big reason why Dorsey horse out the first time and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► they have they have management of people there the site barely staying up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► to rebuild the whole thing from scratch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► I mean Reuters are like being like a ruby on rails application right which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► year which is which is all well and good but it's not it's not the framework you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► would choose to to to handle you know hundreds of millions of tweets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► then I and so in that happened at the exact same moment they hit this marginal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► user and so it was it was it was bad luck up from that perspective in that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► that happened at that time arm and then I'll another pointer was but but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► all the other thing too is I don't think at that time if you were to tell someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► in 2009 that a settee a user base of 300 million users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► I you know I question how how many of those are actual people using it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► even if you say 250 million you it would be hard to tell someone back then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► that would not be a big enough user base to have a an ad-supported service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► yes that's a very good point now before i forget because if i forget this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► I'm gonna shoot myself and want to record the whole episode because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► thought one of the most interesting things I read your piece and I knew this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► I've known this before I've read this before but it's one of those facts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► goes in one ear and out the other for me and I think for a lot of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► but I almost feel like the situation this whole situation we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► with twitter struggling linkedin having some tough times and only facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► google really thriving in this market where people previously foresaw wow lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► and lots of companies can have this free with AD supported business and succeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► is the fact that very very consistently over i am not even sure you could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► me the time frame but decades at least about 1.2 percent of GDP gets spent on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► yep it's it's it's amazingly consistent like so there's our average on recession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► it goes down to it goes on GP goes down it's amazing how consistent is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► advertising is and I know I'm academic essay i'm a big shot and advertising but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► I do run a business that's fundamentally based on advertising i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► nature of a knock on wood like even like 2008 you know daring fireball actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► did pretty well through the recession baby because i'm a boutique you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► publisher but there's absolutely no question that the adage that advertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► recession advertiser's the first thing to dry up it is the first thing always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► because that's the first thing any company when I say we might need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► tighten our spending its advertising is always the first thing to go right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► then when times are flush it is one of the first things that come rushing back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► where they're like wow we've got a little money to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► let's fuck let's dump it in some ads and and really accelerate what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► we've got something good going on right now let's spend some advertising to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► it go even better but it it's amazing that it's very very consistent that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► like just a little over one percent of gdp which means that it's not necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► that the pipe can't grow but the pie can only grow as the overall economy grows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► land its there's no way to make that go and I feel like a lot of the stories i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► I'm not even saying that I'm that I'm not wrong about it that I didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► I'm a little surprised at this situation right now we're the only big companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► that really seemed to be thriving financially and growing our Facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► Google the only ones i don't think i would have forcing that but i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► makes some sense when you think of the fact that the ad spends is sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► fixed amount of money and Facebook and Google are clearly growing and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► they frankly have superior products i mean they have the best targeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► especially facebook i mean you know Facebook is growing much faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► google is our particular particular mobile and other growth is on mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► they have superior targeting they have a superior ad placement like of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► don't appreciate like a Facebook ad literally takes over the entire screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► of your phone like a baby only for a split second or whatever but like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► the most immersive at we've come up with intact it any beyond like the pre-roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► on a video but that approval is kind of annoying right that's getting in our way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► whereas where willingly but you're not using your facebook but we're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► immersing ourselves in this feed and just scrolling through in the feed is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► clear like this that's why it works so well for doing fireball right i mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► and I always give you credit for actually being a real pioneer when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► comes to this sort of native native advertising feed based advertising is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► the advertising that works on mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► you came up with it before the native advertising was a word I know you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► and and it's like it is the ad format that works like every every time there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► a new a new sort of medium uh it takes time to figure out the ABS at work right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► the initial like TV ads for people reading radio scripts right there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► no you should actually TV is for scripted drama so how about we do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► 30-second scripted dramas at write and write a little 30 the best ads are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► always little 30-second shows right exactly and so with what we started out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► it is you see we started with web pages were just like plastering on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► banner ads because that's kinda what we do with newspapers right and who better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► isn't there who had a beautiful protagonist of your little story than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► about up we are this is a very this is a very tightly it were pretty a real bow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► and anthropomorphic human bowel infected in the diarrhea there's a lovable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► no but you're right you gotta find and sometimes it's natural and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► it's not and they always try to cram the last one onto the new black banner ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► work we're basically lifting newspaper type advertising and putting on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► and it was dumped it made no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► I especially no sense because if you think about it i would say is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► bit more like magazines and newspapers first thing just because the shape of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► the rectangle is a little bit the rectangle of a web page is a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► more like a magazine especially in the nineties when the format was invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► and screens were smaller it was a little bit more like a magazine its but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► magazines and newspapers are kind of two sides of the same coin when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► advertising formats right there's a whole page ads but that banner ads were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► like the ads in the back of the magazine right right the blue you know little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► shapes of rectangles with content flowing around them the in in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► I mean they the ones that made all the money where the full-page ads right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► backpage plated it was more if they will magazine a particular you think of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► the classic example like fashion magazine sort of thing if it actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► more like a feed if you think about it right because you're you're you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► jumping around you flip through those right yeah exactly it is very analogous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► exactly this is why this way I i I've always been a I think native advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► that a really bad rap because of some really egregious examples of people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► you know being you're abusing and doing dumb stuff advertorials write it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► that was act things that were written to sort of conflated what was actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► content of the publication and the this thing that was written by a sponsor I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► mean the family there's always been terrible writing on all formats right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► but that doesn't mean the idea of having and add that is a similar of a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► type to the content that is around it is a bad thing that's that's how effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► advertising has always been I mean no one's up in arms because you flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► through a fashion magazine and on one page there's there's editorial on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► next page there's you know an ad like that that that's a good things into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► meeting with TV I mean yes you may be annoyed by it but no one is like up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► ethical arms because uh oh my gosh they also scripted this television commercial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► i mean like that's that's just the way that's just way it is I and the feed is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► is really the key to digital advertising you immerse yourself in it you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► the problem is how it is why work during fireball people go to daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► write your percentage of people who go straight to the homepage I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► what it is but I'm sure it's much higher than the vast majority websites are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► getting traffic through social or other through other feats basically and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► think that's the real key to making advertising work is you have to own a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► destination that people go to and willingly immerse themselves in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► feed they scroll through they read your your your advertisements just like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► read your other pieces so they're actually consuming them in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► habituated to click on the link and follow through and uh and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► advertising that works the problem is a particularly on mobile uh people where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► do people start way they they start on Twitter and my Twitter still has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► I it but the vast majority of people the vast vast majority people start on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► facebook that that's that's the app they open when they're doing nothing nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► to is is advertising works best when you're not doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► right if I'm sitting down to do a job or to accomplish something i'm focused and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► I don't want to be distracted that's why I think the priest the pre-roll ads on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► videos i think is is going to turn out to be less effective format and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► had hoped they would be the evidence video so it's going to be effective but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► it's an interruption which not know you could put you in a bad mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► Dom always does and it often i often stop and dad just close the tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► my tolerance for it has grown slightly like but the ones when they make you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► you have to watch the whole 30 then it's instant close i don't care what it is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► don't know that i may be like once or twice a month i'll wait through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► whole 30 because it really seems like something i have to see but it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► doesn't and when I can stop skipping after three seconds i skip it every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► I can do maybe remember once in this like the last two or three months where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► there was something that was so compelling there was I don't know I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► never remember this but there was like there was a YouTube at one time and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► could have skipped it within three seconds but i was instantly like oh I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► got to see this and it was really pretty clever and I was like wow that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► was well done right but baby I know you mean you in at No 1 started a TV show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► with the advertising at the beginning right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► he was always would be in the middle right you have the cliffhanger and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► go to commercial and then you'd know you know man who has great pre-rolls Geico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► gecko has a series of pre-rolls that that are the gist of it is this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► this adds going to be at this ad for geico is going to be over before you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► even skip it right just they just buy like a four second spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► no I think that that's that's the way to do it right and it really leaves leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► me with this incredibly your graph of them from not wasting your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► alright they didn't waste my time and I think hey that was pretty clever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► know I it's it's both they get a little bit of my gratitude and they get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► little bit of my admiration for being clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► yep now I did the i agree arm but did the thing with that was so compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3293">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► my podcast exponent but like people don't schedule facebook time right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► don't put their calendar this is what I'm gonna go check facebook like a check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► facebook when they're standing in line at the store or they're sitting on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► culture like whatever i guess it's it's found time it's in your posture is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► you're not doing anything you're just kind of mindlessly going through it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► that sounds bad but that's actually makes it an incredible advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► platform because you're your minds open your open to whatever using your feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► right and that's when advertisers particularly brand advertisers that want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► to build sort of an affinity for the brand a positive association that's when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► they most want to reach you and it makes I mean that's what makes Facebook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► market so incredible it's not just there's so many devices out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► something that they have so many users and it's not just that there's more time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► spent on mobile devices it's the kind of time that is spent and and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► this feed and they have this great ad format and frankly if you're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► advertiser like why would you want to go you know why would you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► anywhere else and that's the challenge that everyone else you know in facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► is still going to user base and there's still facebook last quarter and it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► shouldn't be able to happen but it happened they get they got they got more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► users their users use the product more than ever had before they increase the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► ad low per user so people are seeing more ads and they increase the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► charged per ad because they're so effective they can do that like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► they're just this gargantuan monster that's going to eat all this stuff up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and if your Linkedin and you want to you want to have your own ad network or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► help you have display ads or like like how can you compete know the average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► advertisers want no return on their investment and it and so one facebook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► Right the best return to the best ads but also there's an investment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► standpoint Facebook's offering and then product you go and you can do you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► a video ad on Instagram uh anyone who sees it will show them at their facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► feed that kind of reminds them of the product and then if you have a promotion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► you can have you know different things involve a messenger like it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► you could master the facebook ad interface get really good at it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► while I call you really want to go create a custom at for Pinterest I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► there's a degree of people are busy and why should i why do they want to waste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► their time if they can just their time is better spent spending more on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► facebook and google and google is obviously the other the other one here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► think Google's less compelling on mobile generally but they also google has be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► even better tools advertising tools the end and offering from YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► double-click to adsense like it's all one interface you can do one by doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► all the same time it's very very compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► speaking of sponsorships let me take another break here and today itself it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► is it so it's a funny before I listen to your ankles like I I'm someone's working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► with me I'm finding my archives in order like categorize them stuff and and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► remarked that while you might have waterfalls advertising and I'm like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► I mean the whole premise checker is to be about more about the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► strategy attack i don't really do product reviews and also that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► thing arm but that entails I talk about advertising it is kind of it amazing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► will people armed think about and talk about that side of it when it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► fundamental to the the experience of technology i mean arm so you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► absurd people private board but I find it fascinating that let me tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► about a good friends at igloo so igloo is the internet you'll actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► there's a way did what is an internet even just think about it it's a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► that is internal for you that's the intra you have a website for your team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► your your company you go there and this is where you can communicate you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► share files you can contact each other you can have shared calendars all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► sort of stuff that you might want to do and instead of having it spread across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► seven different products and different things you have to log into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► it's all in one place and it is configurable so if you only need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/3566">TS</a>]
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01:09:31 ◼ ► don't think it is a google acquisition a twitter but think of it as an alphabet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► acquisition and Twitter and they let Twitter be Twitter but only value is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4174">TS</a>]
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01:10:11 ◼ ► they grow the user base only with a certain level do they slowly figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► then they build a business presence and then they monetize the business presence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4216">TS</a>]
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01:10:25 ◼ ► for facebook XR making money so they can afford to take the time with instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► they can afford in no time with whatsapp but people forget that facebook was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4228">TS</a>]
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01:10:36 ◼ ► have they they were getting a ton of pressure and Facebook did not do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4236">TS</a>]
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01:10:44 ◼ ► they rebuilt their mobile that their entire mobile stack they redid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► everything they realize that they didn't take the wrong approach with html5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► approach they rebuilt it made a great experience got people on board and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► they figure out how to monetize it and then in the again it's the best digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► ad you ever seen and and now it's just it's it's it's a money spigot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4261">TS</a>]
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01:18:31 ◼ ► to their credit spent a lot of money developing the programmatic advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4711">TS</a>]
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01:19:51 ◼ ► fundamentally make most of their money two ways at the very biggest adds the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4791">TS</a>]
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01:20:12 ◼ ► classified ads all the way in the back of the newspaper because it was two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4812">TS</a>]
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01:21:16 ◼ ► classified ads are all the same fun you don't get to style at all although they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/4876">TS</a>]
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01:35:07 ◼ ► Mackenzie study about about the number of middle-class people coming in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► which he never quoted until until I uh earnings college couple quarters ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► i happen to have included a daily update before them so I don't think he read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► but I like to think that someone found the link and then and then for its been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► an everythin everything scholar since ok it's like it it's a relatively obscure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► but that's like that's i put myself to bed at night so here's an iphone related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► thing and I wanted to do I knew I wanted to shoot past you and see what you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► to say a reader let me try to paraphrase it is let's do that the a let's let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► accept that the rumors about next month's new iphone are true that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► a new 4 inch model that supposedly called the 5se it doesn't really make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► let's analyze a lot of apples beings don't yeah and it's four inches and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► has the specs more or less of an iphone 6 meaning it has an a that way what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► success has an a nine processor so that's the state-of-the-art it has so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► what it has is an a8 processor the current 5s the 4-inch phone that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► could go in and buy today has as a seven la for 64-bit a7 so it goes to an a8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► processor and has a camera roughly equivalent to the iphone 6 tomorrow is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► it like a four inch version of the iphone 6 and it'll probably sell for out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► you know same price . hundred dollars less so the question from the reader is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► have they back themselves into a corner and they have to use this year old a8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► processor and camera specs because they have to hit this hundred dollar less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► than the iphone 6 price slot or is this was this part of the again they painted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► themselves in the corner or have they deliberately chosen to set up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► corner because that's what they wanted all uh i mean i think that there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► idea of of having the better specs and the more expensive phone i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► mean the readers asking why don't they make a a right price 650 dollar 5-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► or foreign phone right i think that that what's underlying the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► question did the the because they've always price by size right sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► yeah and I thought that it speaks to people's that there's some number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► people out there who really still want 24 inch foam but they also want but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► yeah there's probably an aspect to that I mean Apple Apple has always gone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► the sort of like easy to explain pricing you know like iPods were you know bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► even iphones bye-bye memory right like which is it right is very easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► explain and very profitable and doesn't make a lot of sense given it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► make it easy to read all but it makes a ton of sex makes it kind of sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► respective because right but it doesn't make sense that it's being priced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► monument fairly is not quite the right word but but in it commensurate with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► price of the component right whether this is something people always get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► tripped up on right I don't know prices what the market will bear it has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► to do with what goes into you know what was in the product i think that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► think that's probably uh yes I think you can look at that Apple's in a corner in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► that they given the way they do their pricing arm it should be us and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► sort of thing uh you know that said arm but i think it's fair use it if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5933">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► fair thing to say but I think it also fits their strategy i mean yeah i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► know that they found themselves here accidentally though and that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► like who you know like they're like that the analogy of painting yourself in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► corner is that you turn around you realize oh I did not leave myself a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► out here and you didn't think about it when you got started I think they knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► exactly what they were doing and they know that yes that this means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► anybody who wants a 4-inch phone with top-of-the-line specs does not get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► but I don't what were they watching it in the spring that's kind of weird was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► just not ready or I'll wait here I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► one thing I think is interesting i think that Apple did have the strategy to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► little bit more they did the 5c arm the 5c was cheaper to produce than the five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► was that was that was I don't think there's any question that was important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► part of it and i think i suspect appleone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► to keep the 5c around longer than they did yeah but I think what Apple learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► from that is that it didn't get it screamed that this is not this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► it was obviously a cheap iPhone you can get whereas if you bought a 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► fifty-dollar iphone the lowest one has available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► no one knew if that was what you bought it because the cheap i-44 use just your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► expensive iPhone that was two years older when you're whatever right but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► was still an iphone 5c was never an iphone in the way that every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► iphone has been an iphone it was never the flagship and so you had no you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► ahead and so I think Apple wants to the AI think that there's things to lend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► itself to the 5c strategy was cheaper to produce are the only in the they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► using components that out there that they've all left the learning curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► they're producing them super cheaply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► I think they want that for an operational perspective they want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► lower market I think they would like to have like a $350 phone for like India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► for example arm but they'd but they've learned they need to retain the this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► an iphone sensibility I think they're trying to figure that out I suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► that's that goes into the the 5sd they're trying to find the right balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► where how can we get all the benefits of building a phone from scratch to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► cheaper as opposed to just using inexpensive opponent and cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► forever but still maintain the this is the iphone sort of aura i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► timing is exactly on plan and I think it makes a ton of sense and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► because at the low end at the high end these phones very consistent ever since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► they moved to releasing them in September instead of late June early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► July they have a almost clockwork 12-month cycle they like ever since they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► moved in September it's the exact same week of sep tember that they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► event somewhere around September tenth and then they come out 11 days later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► like the 21st or something like that which within a week every single year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► it's 12 months you have a 12-month clock ticking on top of the line the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► the line does not have a 12-month cycle right now the 5s has been there for 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► or it's been out more than that everyone's well that got its been at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► spot where it's at for all got it got it okay right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► uh no six months you because it was the 5c the 5c was sold into last step number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► III just hand nobody your holds don't know that I think I think I I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► anyway my point is that I think that this new phone that are coming out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► a march they expected be there for at least 18 months it will be there for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► long time or agree I agree no I that's exactly trying to say i think they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► to go below the 450 price point yeah i think that the 5c was supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► that but they it was a flop and so this is the second attempt at it i'm curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► still curious very i'm really curious about this event next month i'm more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► more interested in it than any event it in the last year i think because i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► no idea how they're gonna sell this stuff because to me it's the rumors of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► stuff that could easily be released by press release you know it's there's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► here here's a key no camera quality you've seen before in performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► quality that you've seen before in a size that you've seen before and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► it's an important part of the product lineup to have it there and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► part of the reason that they're doing this is it is a nicer phone at four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► inches than the current 5s and it fits their overall strategy because now this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► one will work with Apple pay and the 5s that doesn't have touch ID but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► not support apple pay so now they've got an entire lineup of phones that supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► Apple pay and you know and i think it can be on the market for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► they don't have to distract from last september's hey here's the brand-new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► success and success plus and we have to take five minutes and tell you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► this thing that we're not even that excited about and they don't have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► it again this sep tember when they have this iphone 7 which you know knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► it's going to do know that the selling point will be but they don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► mention it all they have to do it's the only time it will get mentioned is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► the very end when they talk about pricing and i'll say this the seven plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► starts at this price the seven starts a hundred dollars less at this price and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► hundred dollars less here's the you know we still have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► a 5s a year six will be at will be fascinating to see is will the iphone 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► still exists next remember right yeah that would be 76 s and 5 SC right Bob I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► i think i do think that's where they want to go like right there might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► rather than they would rather have the low in phone be built to be a low-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► phone because there's likely if you build it from scratch you eat you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► thinking using technologies but i bet you can produce a cheaper they can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► they can build it to be a phone that's meant to go even further market and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► would be surprised of your waiter then you have the 7 a-7 the arm and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► new like a 6s yeah and then and you still have the 5se I really think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► want to go blow that 42 price . arm this have to it just needs to be an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► yeah and I kind of feel like they they you know and again everything gets old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► and slow at some point but I kind of feel like a with a 64-bit CPU and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► NFC for touch ID are in for Apple Apple pay with touch ID that it's a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► that that that could remain relevant as the as the price . slowly dips over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► next 18 months to 24 months it will still be a credible phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► yep totally agree anything else you see that while we were recording they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► out with the twitter has a new feature that was rumored that they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► let you have a setting that you can flip that will show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► tweets that they think are relevant to you at the top of your timeline and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► I i tried to get i have got the setting on my account yet follow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► International a jack jack streets is just can't get angry friend just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► refresh that it's like just refreshing until you get the setting are that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► I mean it'sit's opting for now I think it's going to be isn't be it opted out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► after a few weeks and the contesting arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► I like while you were away personally I i wanna go gave up on reading my tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► oh yeah me too and I think people will read other tweets you probably use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► third-party clients anyways trailer treats in the in the regular quiet is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► hopeless cause it doesn't save it spot arm so yeah I mean again I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► I i think it's fine and they would have been sorely needed seven years ago arm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6412">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► think they need to be careful about losing what they have now are everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► it's again I like comparing I like the newspaper comparison again because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► newspaper news is more widespread and popular and and value in work valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► than it has ever been and Twitter like we were there is we talk about twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► with the amount of verbiage spent on Twitter relative to its importance in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► like the from a business perspective or other source of his way out of whack but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzPCQoI/6445">TS</a>]
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