00:00:00 ◼ ► the dulcet tones of your sweet voice gun i propose a poem by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► oh well let's hear it trying to guess I'd it's about I was I was moved by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► ending of the Apple filing so and I've been listening to Hamilton we're too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► much are you a fan of hamilton and you've been listening to iive not i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► aware that it exists and I'm aware that it a sensation and I agree that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/16">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► premise sounds it sounds fascinating but I've actually not like watched or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/21">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► listened to any of it yet it's kind of a brain virus like I'd heard about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► sort of was like well maybe i'll wait I'll see if somebody don't want to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► then I was like well listen to a song and then you just spiraled down so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/33">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► is just my poem inspired by the end of the Apple brief with apologies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► Hamilton Your Honor we must have earned reading Brandeis government seals a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/41">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► danger not understanding the scope of their pleading the danger delivery lies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/45">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► within mistreating Americans rights we posit they're exceedingly well meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/50">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► but insidious encroaching demeaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/54">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► there we go very well said nipsey Russell for the ages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/58">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► i'm also reading a ehrenberg papers because you know how the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/62">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► cited as yeah I've been actually going back and reading some of the historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► documents create some books from the eighteen hundreds in some later books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/73">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► written about it found interesting article from 92 and looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/76">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► original ciphers that the codes and ciphers they used it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► fascinating thing to see what the state of cryptography was the late seventeen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/84">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► hundreds early eighteen-hundreds all comes back to Hamilton it kinda does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/88">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► it's really kind of funny who this is a tweet from my past buzzed Anderson last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/93">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► night who would have thought Aaron Burr would get so much attention into is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/101">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► little weird and then they did Hamilton performance at the White House like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► long after the FBI was citing the umbrella amber ostensibly want to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/111">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► American history is kind of awesome and strangely tell you the Emperor from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► Mexican restaurants ago just going to the mid-mississippi to try to schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/124">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► some kind of event in a general who didn't want to get caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► up with it had been corresponding with him for years turned over the ciphered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► letter and there's a trial and he was found innocent of treason because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/137">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► justice in the case of Frankenstein famous just Marshall Marshall thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► said that no actual like event had occurred so it wasn't treasonous to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/148">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► discuss this even if that's what was discussed so you will have been treason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/153">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► to become the emperor of Mexico since that's not it wasn't trying to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► the Emperor united states he was trying to raise our armed forces to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/160">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► against separate another nation that without the support and authority to of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/164">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► america so there was some like I am losing the detail there but it was under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/170">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► it was treason because he was acting against the interest in stated policy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► america and waging war that was the intent but without actually doing it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► number one up living for decades after that and never quite got back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► same position aquatic when he was vice president between the duel and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► treason trial and then just kind of people not really wanted to be what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► that I went to the story of the tool that's this one of those things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► it's like you file it on your head that that the revolutionary times were crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/200">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► and that they were you know like the remnants of the medieval era was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► you know floating around was conquered most things doing with was mostly bandit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/208">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► was in it was noticed i believe it common practice in England I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► was practiced in the barbarous colonies right and i am reading the channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► biography of Hamilton now so I haven't gotten to the intricacies there i recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/221">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► from my past reading and and bring some things after the play so become popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/224">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► went back and reread and they had to go to New Jersey and this line in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/229">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► the musical yet you can do anything in New Jersey right you can just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/233">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► everything is legal in New Jersey the jack and they're going to jersey because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► it was still ostensibly legal but no manslaughter was thin and murder still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/239">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► so you could condense ibly in some states you could do all and if no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/244">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► you might just walk away from it but such are not much of a dual though if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► nobody's injector well it's to satisfy Honor I mean that's I think it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/254">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► funny the ritualized violence there's a really great essay in new york times for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► a few days ago these philosophers talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► what violence is they argue that violence isn't an act itself it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► violence has a cycle you know there's an attack you attack someone that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► personal violence their definition is that you're dealing with a cycle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► perpetuates itself that is violence and it's a great discussion that deals with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/278">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► sports as a representation of of force and violence in a controlled fashion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/282">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► violence at the Trump rallies and it's I was blown away by it but doing is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► of that tradition is yes its overt violence but it is also under very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/293">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► specific constraints and a lot of the time duels didn't result in anyone being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► hit that was the point but everyone got to satisfy the fact that the express the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/301">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► form of ritualized violence without actually killing someone but you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/305">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► so why did Bern Hamilton getting a duel I burn was well let's see this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/310">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► what you have to have to watch the musical 30 degrees can somehow spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► 5,000 option tickets but that the dual the subject the duel was that basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/321">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► Hamilton was talking smack about birds and probably rightly so / really shifted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/326">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► he doesn't love double-dealing Helton was not a pure character either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► necessarily but he he had been speaking publicly and privately and i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► there was a specific dinner at that some comments came through sober wanted him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► to apologize and Hamilton said I'm not saying anything that's not true and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/346">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► though his son Hamilton son had been killed in a duel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► not many years before and both he and berhad seconded this is part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/354">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► musical to had seconded another duel when they were younger they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/359">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► seconds and in a case that involved i think was George Washington being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/363">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► George Washington was more parties the dual even with that they went out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► and there's this long-running debate the musical is part of the channel biography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/373">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► is whether Hamilton intended to shoot her or not whether Burr was reacting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► with intent or thought he was about to be shot and and fire directly but never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/381">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► quite known and we're talking about 200-plus years later it's amazing i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/388">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► the the takeaway i took from school when I learned about it was that it in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/394">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► I carried it is but it's it seems as though like most of the founding fathers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► were were genuine statesman and then a couple of them we're for real hothead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/404">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► oh yeah well in there all I just I just watched the musical 1776 my kids my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► are all head up about Hamilton now and you know where the other coast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► tickets are $MONEY fortune so we will hopefully see it when it towards you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► know a touring company to seattle probably a B Company in like four year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► hit 23 Kurzweil will go pay too much to see here but I'm like a look there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► musical about the founding fathers like really really let's watch 1776 so we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► that I'd watched it for the incomparable we did an old movie club a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► years ago and watched and re-watched with them they loved it's all sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► focus on John Adams primarily also Jefferson and Franklin and that I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/444">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► whenever I see these things like Michael read some more stuff about atoms they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► are really interesting people they had rich lives that they were involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► all kinds of stuff and they weren't they you know they were all people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/457">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► their own lives in Congress was another thing wasn't there call wasn't seen as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/463">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► one . in their life the content of Congress particularly but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► it's a fascinating and Bo Franklin course the fastening lived a long life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/471">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► and like sex workers and mistresses and all kinds of people and lived in France [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/475">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► and came back and anyway so great a great bunch that that's the musical john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► adams apparently late-in-life wrote about how he was obnoxious and disliked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/486">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► and late in life he looked quite a long time he and jefferson died on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► day they are bitter enemies they died many miles part of the same day which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► one of those little and the day was july 4th yes that's right forgot you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/497">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► mr. Foyle but an Adam's criticized his own personality late in life its musical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/502">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► takes it up there's just a recurring line your boxes and disliked you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/507">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► that sir and I but apparently it was actually quite well liked and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/510">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► feeding himself too harshly late in life so he wasn't as obnoxious as you go also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/515">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► brings to mind from a comment you had a couple minutes ago at the dylan song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/520">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► from the Traveling Wilburys moon in jersey everything's legal as long as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► don't get caught haha see Hamilton is great actually pulls from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► physical theatre modern musical rap and hip-hop I heard like echoes of poems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/533">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► were out like all of either so if you go to genius the annotated and people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/539">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► found it's not a pastiche but he pulls so lin-manuel miranda is a excellent in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/543">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► terms of taking your ear and letting you hear an echo of something if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/551">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► tuning if you're not it sounds good but if your big hip-hop fan you'll hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/554">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► know rhythms patterns lines the kind of characterization if your musical theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/558">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► fan like I am you hear all kinds of things throughout you're like wait oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► you know there's that references 1776 there's a reference to South Pacific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► Rodgers and Hammerstein and Sondheim references throughout sometime loves it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/571">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► apparently which is great it looks like it's funny we're talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► seventeen hundreds but it's not right a challenge because so is Apple the FBI so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► what's cracking up like what is the deal that this musical sweeping the nation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/584">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► and then suddenly appear as equality all writs Act has been modified for 250 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/588">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► years but anyway it's just the way it always works out you know these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► these things happen it's it's clear dies the militants it's all right serendipity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/596">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► is a real like almost like a force it is pretty amazing i'm now the details of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/601">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► though it's kind of interesting we'll get into it again but it so it last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/606">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► the federal government filed up their final brief which Apple initially took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/611">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► think it's fair to say took umbrage yes to several of the angles that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/617">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► government took in it I thought this was interesting because i was invited to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/625">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► to the conference calls that reporters were on both last weekend this week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/630">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► it was a real interesting difference like last week and they do them very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► fast and it's it's obviously and I'll i enjoy thinking about this strategically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► because I don't work fast right there in fireball is not a source of breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/645">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► news the talk shows certainly is not as a source of breaking news i tend to i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/652">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► tend to take my time and not not because i want to but because i have to add my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/659">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► quickly but it's fascinating to me to look at the the meta angle on it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/665">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► is that when these briefs drop Apple reacts very quickly so last week's call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/672">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► i think that it was on friday maybe it was Thursday Thursday or Friday last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/679">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► week when the government put them without and apple held the call with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► reporters an hour later so I I certainly hadn't gotten through the brief I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/687">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► Apple at you know that you know apples attorneys had the full hour before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/696">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► Wow um and it's I guess that the strategy there is that they know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/702">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► once the brief is out the news media is some of the news media are going to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► know start writing takes an apple wants to spend get their spin on it out as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/713">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► quickly as possible otherwise it's too late that they have to have you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/718">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► press relations was quickly but I thought the difference between there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/724">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► what would you call it a hot take last week and this week is so different i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► gets I detect a very quick cat cool confidence in their current argument but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/735">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► anyway one of the things the government put in their brief last week was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/742">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► reference to this is again this is back to what's the year 7 1807 Chief Justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/746">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► Marshall that the government claims once ordered a third party to quote provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/753">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► I've I wouldn't read the original transcripts that trial by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► ok that's fed that i cannot i did not i want to hear about it but that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/762">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► government said that there's some precedent for for compelling somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► decrypt something that we can't decrypt is that Chief Justice Marshall had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► ehrenberg secretary decrypt deciphered note and apple in its response i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/775">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► yesterday was a monday haha but yeah monday we got 100 yesterday yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/782">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► oh yeah it's all that but it's it's all a blur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/789">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► says that they got the government got it wrong that Marshall did nothing of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/795">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► sort that the all writs Act had nothing to do was not even an issue in Burr and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/801">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► what actually happened according to apple's brief is that ehrenberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/806">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► secretary declined to state whether he quote understood the contents of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/809">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► certain letter written in cipher on the ground that he might incriminate himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► so another team just poking the Fifth Amendment to declined to say whether he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► understood the ciphered message and what the court decided was that he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/821">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► answer that because simply entering whether he understood the cipher would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/827">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► not incriminate them right that's which is our fascinating if you're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/831">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► sort of a.e you know like at a like I am just sort of like a broad strokes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/835">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► interested in civil liberties and these in cases like this like edge cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/842">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► around the Fifth Amendment can be fascinating and that's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/846">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► one hears you know in its again what over 200 years ago its sophisticated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► question yeah they're leaving this is what I love living in 2016 and be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► to pull up instantly transcripts of trials that happened over 200 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► with the court anyway the bottom line this is from Apple's brief in a footnote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/862">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► the court did not require the clerk to decipher the letter that's correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/865">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► who is he it was a it was the there are two questions being put in was do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► understand the size of that paper did the paper come from Colonel burr was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► written by my bias direction the last question summary but last question ought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► to have been first stated the witness does not say why the answer the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► of the tenancy to criminate him and so it goes back and forth because the judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► ultimately the issue is if I right he didn't have to decipher their asked him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/893">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► if he knew the contents of the letter not to provide the cipher key in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► just to be pedantic here was both a code and decipher the code book actually to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► that they will concern and burn others have been using the first one since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/909">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► 1790s I think and then later when they modified that codes for like president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► vice-president France and so forth and then there was also a simple replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/918">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► site for that use the rotating leather scheme so you have a letter to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/921">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► particularly you take the letters following them down assign the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► and then you could you read across the row to pick the numbers corresponding so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/930">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► complicated for the day because you could work out simple site substitution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/934">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► ciphers are relatively easy to work out easier with computers but definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/939">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► doable in the day and that's not that protected but codes are very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/943">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► so without knowledge of the code you can determine from frequency of appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► and other characteristics you can sometimes achieve this but he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► asked you know the cipher it was do you all right but it wasn't for the cipher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/955">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► right was asked do you know what it said do you understand the contents and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► was concerned that any statement would allow him to it would provide it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/965">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► put in the position of incrimination right fascinating but i have to say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► sounds to me like apples exactly right that it's no precedent whatsoever for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► compelling somebody to decode and encrypted pretty clearly very clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► anyway what's a one of the interesting side effects of all this and the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/986">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► invoking things like these that this burr case is this that i did not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/989">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► that the founding fathers took work so commonly in use of codes and ciphers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/994">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► stuff ruling apparently one of the things i read was like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► Postmaster General was like a political enemy of a couple of them i forget which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► I forget others that the way that their political things are aight i get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► mixed up but long story short that they they really felt some of them really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► felt like they needed to because they knew that this Postmaster General was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► oh yeah there's a contrite mail was often open its interesting thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► our current mail system i have forgotten how far back the law goes it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► the eighteenth and nineteenth century that it's illegal for any party to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► the mail that concluding the post office except with like specific warrant or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► subpoena another Hamilton musical reference by was Hercules Mulligan best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► name in the world he was transporting messages he was not a loyalist but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► was sort of a spy going back and forth to New York is a textile importer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► clothing shop is taylor and he and his slave whose name was Cato we're sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► messages back and forth often in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► code or in other you know trying to decide the meaning of it eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► became too dangerous but he's one of the reasons that they were able to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► Hamilton was able to assist General Washington in some of the battles around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► and it's amazing it is an amazing named Hercules molecule a smile again it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► awesome great partner in the flight ya konan coats with an important part i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► think i forget what the earliest cryptographic stuff is that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► thing of wrapping a strip of paper around a cylinder assert dimension like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► pencil-sized thing that was used so you could right across it and then unfurl it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► must you the dimensions you will be able to figure it out all yeah I've seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► I've seen that and that's I think where the earliest uses of script and simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► cipher substitution if you don't know what it is and it's only become more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► complicated overtime but code has a code interception of code and people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► executed for possession of what was seen as code that was never decipher doll big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► issues are mainly for thousands of years when i was a kid i got i spent a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► I mean it's been a long time i was truly you know like grade school age but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► spent like you know a 1.1 of my obsessions became codes and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► that and boom I very high speed to remember that one where you wrap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► paper around like a ruler type thing of a certain known with and and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1131">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► it just looks like gibberish again like you said that's not the most secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► nobody else knows it then I don't have sophistication the other side it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► people like why someone with gibberish I i have a very vivid memory i am almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► certain i was in first grade but it was certainly like first or second that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► Kellogg's had a campaign and that three or four of their like flagship kitty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► cereals had little little plastic things in them so like the toucan sam one might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► be blue and the frosted flakes Tony the Tiger one was yellow and maybe the Sugar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► you know with the rabbit rabbit or whatever his name was my ribbit frog you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► know I mean but they're so used to be different colors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► and you would if they were all just a different like 26 character cypher you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► know where it would just be a different rotation you know sort of like rock it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► was like a rock 13 but you know Tony the Tiger's rot 17 and and the frog one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► rotten 11 or something like that but I was fascinated like AI as a first-grader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► I felt pretty clever that I figured out the differences between them but then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► was cool because then we was it like with friends at school we could send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► coded messages to each other and it took so long spent you know spinning the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► it would just be like it's been altered drink your ovaltine yeah exactly eggs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► attack it like i thought it's called the script script holly is the Greek rod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► that was used for encryption substitutions diaper I knew there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► something that's not the earliest Egyptians were maybe a thousand years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► before for that there's also a famous story of the word Shibboleth you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► it's a great story it's not about code per se but spies in a camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► some might camp and the leader says say you now should be left in the spies were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1254">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► unable to pronounce the show sound and they said symbol F and were put to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► social life is like that pass phrase like a thing you say to be shown that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► your member of a tribe always like that these divisions go back thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► years so I'm probably the origin of being able to put words on paper people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► were figuring out ways to make other people not be able to read those right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► well to communicate at length right yeah because you could always communicate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► well I mean I mean obviously you could if your room is bugged or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► there's there's ways around but if you where you see if you're reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► secure that your room is the room know you're an inn is not being bugged you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► can have a private conversation with somebody that the trick is how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► have a private conversation with somebody at a distance and it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► said it's long as we've been communicating at a distance even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► like just begin by sending dispatching a messenger there have been codes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► yeah i mean how are you saying that my people aren't proof spaces is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► exactly popular in our minds my grandparents grab my family was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► furniture and pressure stores for many many years and my grandfather developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► number code and letter code based on our last name and his mother's initial so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► they could put the retail pro the wholesale price of things on the tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► that customers knowing so we're gonna go shot the new exactly how they could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► see clever fell out my grandpa very very clever boy that's the type of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► eventually some consumer web site would come out with the yeah yeah go into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► mattress store has a deep especially ya know they can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► yeah alright let me take a break here and thank our sponsor it's our good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► friends at casper you guys know Casper they sell mattresses online obsessively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► engineered mattresses at shockingly fair prices there's one of the there's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► favorite thing about casper mattresses they don't make you choose between like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► two three four five six seven different types of mattresses are the technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► and now they figured it out for you just the right sink just the right balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► they've taken to commonly used mattress technologies latex foam and memory foam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► and they've made their own custom cocktail between the two for better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► good sleep so all you do is pick what size you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► so you know what size bed you have so you just go there you need a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► mattress get the right size and as crazy as it sounds I know I've said this every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► time they sponsor the show it sounds crazy to buy a mattress without like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► trying it out but what kind of a tryout do you actually get a retail store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► anyway it's actually kind of gross because other people have slept on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► right and just like being there with all of your clothes on and laying on a bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► for two or three minutes isn't gonna tell you how you sleep on it so actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► the way that Casper does it if you think about it it's a traditional but it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► a lot more sense they have a risk-free trial and return policy you try sleeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► on a Casper for a hundred days and if you don't like it up to a hundred days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► go to the website and they'll take care of free will just take it right back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► no no questions asked I've even heard from listener the show sent me an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► that they did it and that they bought it because it was on the show and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► like for whatever reason wasn't wasn't to their liking and it and and said in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► little just wanted to say I know you keep saying that they take them back but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1457">TS</a>]
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00:25:07 ◼ ► guess we should talk in detail about the Apple FBI case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► yeah . gentlemen weekend especially because i feel like this is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► thing this is the thing I mean we can talk about next week's event and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► our last minute speculation is whatever but that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► you know it's interesting but it's of the moment whereas that this F Apple FBI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► thing is is truly I I don't think it's hyperbole I think it's genuinely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► important to the future of the Republic I i am absolutely i think it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► one of the most fundamental issues of privacy we could possibly facing out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► we have the best advocate on our side and the government and extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► disappointed the unlockable administration's stance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► I feel like we're for being sold out because rich mogul has this line to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► to him about it he says it's not on my watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► isn't that is what is driving and he says he's worked with law enforcement a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► lot a lot of good takes on this subject and he said nobody wants to be the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► when the event happens and you could have been something else and you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► do everything so the FBI is doing is scorched earth policy to break apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► this thing they try to find a test case because james comey and a few other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► people are saying this is not going to be the thing where we lose not i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► gonna be the person responsible for the next terrorist event so I'm going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► everything even if potentially it threatens Liberty that's not my concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► my concern is preventing this attack and I think it's true too i think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► being such Bulldogs about it it but I i agree with you i think this is a tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► that you been writing about this I think is a wonderful way the waterproof spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► is a big issue and company said that I and then Jonathan knows the gr ski has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► been writing about this too is just wrote recently about how there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► waterproof spaces in america american law and the Constitution state laws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► carve out lots of places in which warrants aren't allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► great post but are we allowed only the privacy of our own mind what here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► thing you know you're not talking about this on twitter is there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► natural extensions should ISPs preserve every email you ever sent like coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► what if their brain scanners what if brain scans existed tomorrow there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► technology starting to be able to pull images out of people's heads right with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► would they be allowed to use that honest suspect in custody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► like it's not science fiction right it's not science fiction we're seeing I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► people are showing their actually like having some glimmerings of this where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► it's real it's something that's not telepathy its science in a lab they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► show and so holy cow you know this isn't impractical theoretically could they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► compel a criminal suspect that too to have like a brain scan and ask them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► questions sort of like that it like worked today it's a lie detector test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► statistic magic like what is the passcode to your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► what's the passcode to your phone and if they read a number out of the guy's head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► and try it and it works is that admit now but I'm exactly so I don't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► live it i know that i don't think they can do that today to my knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► there's no such device today but that does not seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► like it's the unreasonable even within the scope of your my lifetimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► I mean in terms of absolutely not the way that that that we're starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► understand the brain and I've said this before i said this on the show and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► really it to me it really it's interesting what if what if the some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► future computing device that it provides capabilities like what we used today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► with an iphone what if it's embedded in your body but if it's something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► what if it's something you do put in your head right but what if it's a and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► again I i'm not an expert on Alzheimer's and I know that there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► biological you know what the solutions are our improvements to to alzheimer's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► research going on but what if you know somebody 10 15 20 years from now invents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► some kind of very small system-on-a-chip that can be embedded in somebody's brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► to help with the the cognitive decline then the dementia that's caused by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► Alzheimer's it would that device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► therefore you know then be susceptible to the government reading the contents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► of it to me did you know it it's not a preposterous to to pose hypotheticals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► like that and my answer would be no you know that it's it's no different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► there's not that much different and it's going to be less as time goes on between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► artificial digital devices and our capability of reading the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► the meccanian of treating our brains is the mechanical devices they are at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► certain level it's it's also i think the waterproof space is a great metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► because in fact every place we have in in our brains and in reality that we own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► our all want proof space until the war is produced and I think there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► interesting thing where the view of the FBI as they've expressed the Department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► of Justice is that all spaces are open to the government on demand and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► simply not mean it is both true and not true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► people can also Express civil disobedience and be jailed for contempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► or for violating court orders or other charges they can go to jail for refusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► nobody in the past sometimes in oblique gone to jail rather than give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► information or or access or locations of things i think by default we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► assume that all places are private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► I think this notion is ajar ski wrote about this also is that the Bill of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► Rights is not a instructions on what the government can do its instructions on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► what citizens rights are and it prescribes the government from doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1835">TS</a>]
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00:30:47 ◼ ► prohibit the government from excess and so the idea that every space we own is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► really owned by the government is terrifying that's really you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1851">TS</a>]
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00:30:58 ◼ ► Democrat Democrat elected government would be have that in place of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► government owns all spaces so they're playing into the hands at some point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► that and I think people who are on the left of the spectrum would say also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► even if they believe in a bigger role for government or different nature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► government regulation and control that the government having sort of a defacto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► right to all of our private spaces our homes our computers and you know by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► extension reminds that that also is not in keeping with the nature of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► know civil human rights are being our and it would be in the nature of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► country so I mean you come down this is like what percentage of iphones are used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► for crime notes . 00 whatever percent and the idea that all iphones have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► open to inspection at any time like bags going through it an x-ray machine or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► TSA with their locks that have been duplicated because they allowed photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► to be taken of the master register Keys like that's what the FBI is proposing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► will have a way for you know the TSA style investigators to get in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► means everyone get it right and there's a the part that to me is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► disappointing single most disappointing and in the in the Obama administration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► you know I'll just admit it and in Hillary Clinton has a spouse the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► opinion is a belief in this magical thinking that if we just put smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► enough people into a room together that they can come up with a way that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► this would this backdoor solution would only be available to law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► that we're not asking you to make a backdoor that anybody could get into we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► just want to backdoor that law enforcement can get into when we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► warrant which sounds reasonable and in some you know fictional other universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► where that's mathematically possible that might be great i actually I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► that there's good reasons why a civil libertarian would be opposed even to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► that idea like a like let me just put this out there that and and I tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► lean that way i would listen to the argument but i tend to lean towards even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► if that were possible i don't think it's a good idea and I think it's contrary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► the values that are already in our bill of rights but it is an idea but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► simple truth is that it's math all experts agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► everybody who understands encryption dennis is it I i don't think that you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► it's more than even like a i mean it's it's like provably incorrect you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► like as opposed to let's say climate change where you can say you can argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► that only 98 or 99 percent of expert climate scientists agree that the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► know what we're seeing is man-made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► I mean with with cryptography and back doors it's a hundred percent agreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► because of where you're totally right i just realized I haven't seen any any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► crypto deniers out there doing this is possible only see politicians in law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► enforcement right it's an expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► well that's part of the beauty of trying to convince 12 your own son of it i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► trying to get when i talk to my twelve-year-old son it does not have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► enthusiasm from mathematics that I did that that's the beauty of mathematics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► it's it's it you know and and it in the way that computer science sort of falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► out of mathematics could go a long way in here like when I went to drexel I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► my degree in computer science it was from the Department of math and computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► it was one department from mathematics and computer science and it well they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► since broken it out in that computer science is often a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► I don't know what they did but it's an expensive building probably yeah I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► think that but i think that what happened is that politically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► computer science department grew to you know used to be like it was the math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► department with a little cookie computer science group of professors and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► computer science got so popular and so important to our society that growth but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► anyway I just thought and it's not just because i went two directions where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► put them together it just made sense to me though that when you type a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► program and it either works or doesn't work it's it there's a certain Beauty to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► that and I think a lot of the people who listen to the show are probably not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► your head like that's why they got into this racket because there's a statistics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► just sore statistics lie math doesn't write correct and it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► just disappointing to me that they keep you know pushing back on that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► a there's a line that Apple's attorneys used its was in the sort of off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► record you can paraphrase you know the rules were from the call that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► paraphrase it not quoted directly but the gist of it was that that they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► to us law-enforcement frequently and they are happy to do so and happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► work with the government and that they are of course you know opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► terrorism and crime and all this stuff and that they are also happy to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► willing and happy to comply with warrants and provide information that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► they have but that every time they meet with law enforcement about this issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► law enforcement US law enforcement comes at the discussion with the angle of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► can you let us into the iphone and never wants to discuss the question of should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► we be able to get into the iphone it's just not it there intransigent in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► transit gent on the point of how do we get into the iphone oh here let me give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► you a good thought experiment because i think there's this issuer people i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► to say that I keep stating on the macro podcast everywhere I keep saying look I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► absolutely support the right of illegal boring i don't like extra judicial stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► constitutional things legal rendition all that stuff i like the legality the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► constitutionally created warrants right and i think the FBI should be seeking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► every available reasonable means and sometimes even almost unreasonable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► a court holding them and checks they don't violate the Constitution totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► support that I am absolutely a I want to trust the government the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► isn't always trustworthy but i believe it's the best system we have to ensure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► justice we need to improve the quality of Justice as opposed to constraining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► them from being able to use tools that are legal and and courts oversee in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► public way that is fair or whatever so here's a thought experiment i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► reading a paper academic paper year or so ago you know that cameras and cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► phones being that dsl dollars are so good now that they can extract a face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► from the reflection in an object in the pic lee subject so you're taking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► picture you're behind the camera a reflection even my Newton anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► you're taking a picture of can be reconstructed to provide a decent facial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► match against you and this is today right this is a couple years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► so when we have 20 megapixel or 50 mega pixel or photographic computational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► photographic equipment and everything our iphones 17 cameras on them whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► right so here's the picture here's the the snare you and this is where I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► we would agree on let's find out is that FBR long person says ah we know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► are several people in the vicinity of this event and they were taking pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► we believe we can recover the face for a reflection of the actual criminal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► they subpoenaed the phones or they know they demand they want to use it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► evidence in my view I think that's totally legitimate now is now and could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► these people be compelled under all writs Act provided maybe not maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► would say yesterday they seem so you know that request to want this photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► some people handing over those photos thinking they were legally obliged to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► aid in this that seems reasonable to me where the line will be crossed as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► like in this case they said oh we need to use the all writs act to break the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► encryption because some of the witnesses refused to turn over their phones we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► think there's a picture of the killer in that scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► what are you hi Terry it's you know that's exactly what a warrant is ID in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► my opinion you know you can you ask for permission to search whatever a room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► a filing cabinet digital device and what they can get off it they can get off it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► but if all they get off it is a it strongly encrypted jumble of ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► yeah maybe that's an eye on so that's that's the thing I miss the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► of two parallel case you know where its but I think we're going to see I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► based on this we're going to see a lot more use the all writs act and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► they're gonna be like that i think a lot of citizens or small companies or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► bigger companies are going to feel compelled to do it to obey and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► the president said here will affect things like that will be you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► it is i think there's going to be a massively increasing number of cases in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► which people who are innocent bystandard standards will have evidence that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► useful because of digital data collection audio or video images or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► anything else but that's also a very different thing than compelling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► innocent bystanders to take action to say 22 for example say this you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► have reason to believe that you know some sort of crime is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► committed in this area therefore we you know that an exam tell you this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► exactly the path that this sort of President can go down we want the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► to turn on the camera and recording of every every I file it you know in range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► of this cell power put opticon OS right and only you know here we have we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► it we're not saying everywhere you know anywhere and everywhere saying right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► here in the vicinity of yeah you know whatever street in whatever street in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► whatever city but we have good reason for it and therefore we should you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► when we require the ability to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► that is very much within the realm of what people would ask me look that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► already happy with cars we know that law enforcement wants to get information the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► cars look I was talking two carmakers last year about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► car robots self-driving cars and the deal is like this is the thing keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► going back to what we are seeing today is the tip of the iceberg of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► collection both us watching the watchmen watch for watching us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► and it seems like it's already ridiculous right in the future our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► clothing has been covered with cameras I mean I'm exaggerating but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► everything cars are going to festoon the one of the limitations there's a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► at which you can have too many cameras in a car you're collecting too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► information that point is not been hit yet i think if the end because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► computational photography where you can combine images for many cameras or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► different kinds of imagery from cameras to obtain more information like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► we talked about 3d cameras on cars are really 2d stereoscopic cameras or RGB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► plus depth and use infrared or laser for arranging that kind of information you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► can also obtain some cases if you have more cameras you don't need the ranging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► part is all these things are going to happen so at some point our camera so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► you can triangulate the three-dimensional aspect of it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► yeah they're seeing some really some really interesting paper so at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► point we're going to our phones are going to recording a hundred percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► time we're going to be having wearable devices if they're watching would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► watched whatever they're constantly ready and on recording video and audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► unless we disable them and everything is going to constantly recording and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► streaming terabytes of data that's actually processed to pull out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► information so we are going into a future with what you're describing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► reality there could be a continuous 3d like coverage in any area of any minimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► population density between nest cam style things and our phones and watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► and cars so what if the government wants to compel that we like 10 minutes in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► hit this button in every cameras record that for the next 10 minutes and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► get you know terabyte of information or petabyte for that I'm could skip over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► and skipping around a little bit but i think it applies but one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► highlights i have in Apple's me yesterday was from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► talking about this colonial law CL EA yeah i was really fast and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► government is sort of arguing that Scalia doesn't apply to apple in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► case and apple is arguing yes exactly applies to us yes it's and one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► here's the passage highlighted camellias legislative history makes clear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► sound policy reasons behind it specific limitations on when decription services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► can be required during congressional hearings on Clea then FBI director louis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► freeh assured senator I would lay that's Pat Leahy from Vermont that kalia would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► not impede the growth of new technologies when Senator Leahy asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► whether Clea would inhibit the growth of encryption free responded quote this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► legislation does not ask companies to decrypt it just tells them to give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► the bits as they have them if they are encrypted that is my problem which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► what i'm saying is that yes i think that the FBI should have the rights to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► the contents of this suspect phone but if the contents of the phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► scrambled and and the FBI is technically incapable of you know decrypting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► that's their problem and I don't say that to be callous I you know in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► of what if in some other hypothetical case the information would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► prove useful to to getting a conviction of someone who actually did something or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► what if it was it some sort of information on a phone that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► access would have information that could prevent something in the future I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► those things will happen but it-it-it there is no perfect solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► oh yeah I wanted to supercuts circle back about this too is we talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► political spectrum it applies directly here too is that it's hilarious to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► people all the way from this on the spectrum from say anarchist to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► right-wing fundamentalist who are all like its absolute limit Aryan I am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► love that aspect is that the cryptographers cryptographic community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► has people across the larger political spectrum and i think almost who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► prominent in it let's say that almost any other field of endeavor i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► imagine so you've got whitfield diffie you've got moxie of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► Martin's because Mike you've got David what's the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► Robert for a telegram from a rather security you got people across a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► spectrum right and some people come from dictatorship based societies and escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► them some are living in societies are becoming repressive summer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► democracies are sensible democracies and they're all like yeah okay maybe there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► different reasons are you with some people may or may not be in favor of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► backdoor none of them to scream over what you're saying there is no way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► create that and so if you're an anarchist or you know Raging repairing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► can I can't be done I really enjoyed keep them pondering over my head rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► moguls description of it that it's sort of a cover-your-ass mentality or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► like--he's you're seeing his words are not on my watch but its cover cover your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► own ass because that's one way since the only way to really make sense and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► yeah it's very disappointing though because it's it the implications are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► severe I have a feeling I'm again I could be wrong and that's why it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► nervous watching this go down I have a feeling that Apple might do well in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► case I think Apple I think they should it's not just because I'm hoping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► that I my personal preferences that Apple wins this case i actually think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► that on the facts and based on that the law feel like that they should win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► well there's if they had it's so bizarre it's like I there's so many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► bases in this brief spells out a lot of them my what the FBI department justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► requesting is unprecedented or in this reading and you know I've been following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► this close never read this brief and some others in depth this one of it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► much in depth because it's you know kind of the Crocs right now and because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► FBI went to sort of name calling doj is not saying things that are just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► it's like it feels like watching someone spin out of control you like looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► intervention here and Obama is not your inventions apparently he's like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► like being your you're codependent enabler here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► yeah but you read this you're like look at the all writs Act has never encompass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► this and there's plenty of evidence like any other setting a species the clea the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► legislative history previous whatever then you have like basically every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► person who used to be an intelligence or law enforcement was at a high level who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► is no longer in that office thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► yeah like what you've done with your office once supported call me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/2821">TS</a>]
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00:50:05 ◼ ► in favor of encryption on this but one of them is former NSA and CIA director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3005">TS</a>]
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00:51:11 ◼ ► know about the legality of the argument of whether the court should take into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3071">TS</a>]
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00:51:18 ◼ ► alright let's take a break and we'll talk about the employment issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3078">TS</a>]
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00:53:39 ◼ ► this meeting tim cook in a room with like 200 people and it's everybody at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3219">TS</a>]
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00:54:21 ◼ ► specific employees in the engineering level what what happens i also wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3261">TS</a>]
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00:54:47 ◼ ► become capable of doing it so it's you know it i'm not saying it's impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► but I wonder how many people within Apple would be on the team that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► commissioned to undertake this I don't know that it's 200 i think it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► a significantly lower number of people who work in the area of system-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► device security so is it Daniel gelcoat used to work at a pond years ago he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► apple i think it's he say something response this was like he said there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► might be a hundred people in the world maybe I'm exaggerating number something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3317">TS</a>]
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00:55:30 ◼ ► to hire other people and it's not even issue of morals like I have to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3330">TS</a>]
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00:58:51 ◼ ► to like the root certificates that are used all this stuff involves a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► small number of people but what if they all I mean look at you and I were that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► position I think we know we do we quit right quick and then can the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► compelling could the government courts say you're not allowed to quit right I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► can't imagine but could that I don't know the legality and it's even easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► in today's the current job market in in Silicon Valley know it is you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► like I'm being I just want to be out all day that I'm not even trying to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► it's an act of nobility it would be I would like to think and and and i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► like to think that I would act on principle but if you just want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► down to the cold hard facts of well you know you've got a mortgage to pay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► kids to put through college or whatever it's like somebody who has extensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► experience on Apple's security team is not going to have a hard time getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► another job now absolutely not right they probably get like $MONEY [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► million-dollar bonuses that are still being handled handed out when they go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► work for one of the unicorn right and it might break the heart because maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► prefer to work at Apple but we know rather do good work for Google than do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► destructive work for apple i mean it's it's it it to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► destructive work for apple i mean it's it's it it to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► is not an Outland just said scenario at all and i do think i do think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► that people who work in encryption it's like you said that it spans the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► political game and that's one of the things that I really like about this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► that in in what I you know in my sideline as a amateur art Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► political columnist I one of the things that depresses me about the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► state of decades long discourse in the United States is the polarization of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► politics and that so many issues are so clearly polarized and that we've we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► self sorted on these various lines into the two parties and that there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► interchange between III it does my heart it warms my heart that on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► particular issue it that it doesn't fall on on one line or the other and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► anything because the DOJ is part of the executive branch you have I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► to say that you know the Democrats have more responsibility in this case with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► Apple than the Republicans I mean there certainly are Republicans who I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► call for apple should just open the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3664">TS</a>]
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01:01:14 ◼ ► recanted his position to watch Lindsey Graham say up I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3674">TS</a>]
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01:01:45 ◼ ► disagree with oh god I was a sweet i retweeted him today on the CC he's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3705">TS</a>]
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01:01:57 ◼ ► least at the layman's understanding that you would hope that our legislators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► would have he's got it he is sweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► he's been really good I here's an interesting just a side note get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► 1776 this is a musical podcast now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► that's the bit so imagine you're the engineer at apple or set of Engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► and you're the people who write the code that's been compelled by the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► to essentially the tray humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3741">TS</a>]
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01:02:33 ◼ ► Congress because they were worried about being intercepted all kinds of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3753">TS</a>]
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01:02:46 ◼ ► dickinson one side as opposed to waiting for dependency of franklin on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► this is a key vote Wilson who had supported dickinson I sort of moderation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► changes essentially last-minute declares himself its dramatic moment in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► musical but it's also essentially what happened in reality here's the thing he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► didn't want to be this is the motivation given to him he didn't want to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► person who killed Liberty he wanted to be kind of you know under-the-radar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► it's like everyone remember judge Wilson as the person who killed American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3792">TS</a>]
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01:03:21 ◼ ► people or 15 people on the team that do it and you're the people who killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► how do you do that that's a traumatic thing you'll be put through if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► that kind of conscience right there's a personal security angle here and apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► has mentioned this in there i think in a brief but if not a brief certainly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► the one of the supplements you know there's the testimony from craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3821">TS</a>]
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01:03:54 ◼ ► it's a Eric annoying fonder right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3834">TS</a>]
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01:04:06 ◼ ► of it is that there's a personal security angle to this where right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► nobody knows how to create as Apple calls it government OS version of OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► that you can install on top of an existing iphone without destroying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► some crazed and then bypass the the protections against the touchpad which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► once you get rid of those protections it's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► Amy and and it obviously using a long alphanumeric password or passphrase i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► guess i should say would actually you know would significantly help increase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► the security of your phone but even the six digit passcode it would take longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► to brute force but once you bypass the protections you know you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► yeah you know years it there are jailbreaks for the phone zero-day you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► know what are the zero-day exploits there hit that have been sold on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3903">TS</a>]
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01:05:10 ◼ ► year like a way to you know that good at security form put out like a bounty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3910">TS</a>]
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01:05:44 ◼ ► Bond Jason Bourne movie stuff but it's not it's real right did but imagine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► the identities of the engineers at Apple who knew how to make it and knew how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3951">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► it would put them in some measure of personal risk it really i mean i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/3960">TS</a>]
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01:06:51 ◼ ► has made the analogy to like a bit what it could have pharmaceutical company be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► forced to produce the serum for a lethal injection which is a real word world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► political problem right now we have that is not a political either right where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► the the states in the united states that still have the death penalty because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► it's been banned in the rest of the civilized world and is only you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► it's really only practiced in the first world in the United States and only then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► in certain states the company you know whatever they used to use to to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► people the lethal injection there's no more of the serum you're not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4046">TS</a>]
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01:08:05 ◼ ► world with the FDA approved a substance that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4085">TS</a>]
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01:08:18 ◼ ► anymore this stuff let's go to let's go to Pfizer and compel pfizer to come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► with a serum that would have the following quote qualities you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4104">TS</a>]
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01:08:36 ◼ ► directly related to what you're talking about here is Apple trying to show what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4116">TS</a>]
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01:08:46 ◼ ► maybe less secure in that I think it's pretty settled i think the Supreme Court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4126">TS</a>]
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01:08:57 ◼ ► killing the FBI sprays right in the brief there's no such thing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4137">TS</a>]
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01:09:10 ◼ ► that is an overriding principle i'm not a constitutional lawyer i'm not sure but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4150">TS</a>]
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01:09:16 ◼ ► speech it can compel you to testify or it can paralyze you for not testifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► for not providing information but you cannot compel someone to speech and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► cannot compel a programmer to program few of the wise twitter twitter mirrors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4165">TS</a>]
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01:09:37 ◼ ► thinks should have essentially the same right so can you compel Apple to speech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► of that involves code even that's the thing about this brief is Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► hacking away at many many many different uh no trees with poison fruit and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► think the code of speech was very compelling even if the all writs one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► which is also compelling falls down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► yes i agree on both of those parts that to me that's that's the main thrust of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► apples twofold argument is that they can't be compelled to do this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4200">TS</a>]
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01:10:10 ◼ ► you know subject to carry it out and that the all writs Act cannot be used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4210">TS</a>]
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01:10:21 ◼ ► bad for the lawyers who wrote the government's brief because it's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4221">TS</a>]
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01:10:29 ◼ ► it's not like Loretta Lynch the Attorney General wrote the brief it's like it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► assigned to these you know the two lawyers who wrote it and I almost feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► bad for them because i feel like it's like when you're you know that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► it's like to be a lawyer you don't necessarily don't get to pick the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► you know I mean like like they might know there they might well know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► their arguments stands on nothing but thin air but they still gotta write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► brief there left arguing at the the government is left trying to argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► because they know that they all writs Act is supposed to fill in the gaps of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► statutory law so they left trying to argue that the use of the already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► attacked here isn't compelling Apple to do something extraordinary but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► really really hard to do that you know and and adjust of it is that the alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► I've you know for people who are you know aren't paying attention that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► rataxes supposed to fill in the gaps that isn't covered by existing law so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► there's a law that says this and law that says that but there's a minor issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► that's in between there the all writs Act fills it in and I think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► examples the government gave is that somebody can be compelled to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► testimony in court like you said mom what if their testimony will take three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► what where do they go right and so maybe there's no law that says that the all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► writs Act would fill it in and that the government can just do what's reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► and put the guy up in a hotel you know the government will put you up in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► hotel for three days so you still have to testify for the full three days but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► even if there's no law that says that when a you know that says when a witness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► has to testify for more than one day the government will put them up in a hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► it's just that the all writs Act can fill in and and fill in the gap in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► situation like that Apple's argument and I think it's extremely compelling is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► that it if the government wants to compel a company to do what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► saying they want Apple to do it has to be passed through legislation you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► in this case you would have to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► because otherwise you're at you know it because it's an extraordinary thing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► other analogies I thought about and I want to see what you think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► but so for example famously I think it's the sixties i might be getting the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► wrong but when ralph nader wrote the what was the book unsafe at any speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► yeah about the horrible state of a car crash safety at you know that and wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► to legislate that in order to get car companies to mandate that they put seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► belts in cars and the car industry pushed back against mandatory seatbelts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► under the argument that putting seat belts in cars made cars look unsafe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► if you got up right now this is true i'm making the river god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► alright so they said no we don't know this is not a good idea because it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► know people love driving cars and they feel safe and happy driving cars but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► you go in there and there's the safety harnesses you know safety belts it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► going to make people think that they're dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► that's not it it sounds silly in hindsight and we have now have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► statistics that backup that it's you know obviously hasn't stopped Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► from driving and we have statistics to prove that they're you know that safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► advances that have been mandated have been tremendous Boone's to to public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► safety but it's not a ridiculous argument it's not ridiculous that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► that the logic of the car manufacturers it it was probably wrong but that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► it it didn't happen through the all writs Act it happened throughout you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► know real legislation passed through Congress that man ended things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► and that's the way it should be and the other now Jack and think of this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► local like state by state and city by city but one of the great things of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► my lifetime as someone who really really has always been bothered by cigarette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► smoke is the passing of laws that that get cigarettes out of bars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► restaurants and our workplaces and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► now it was a common common and rip oft-repeated refrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► especially from bar owners that if you made smoking illegal and bars it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► draw it with business would dry up because people who smoked would go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► private establishments instead of public ones because they're not going to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► smoking while they drink and there it did common sense that says that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► argument might hold water right it might there's there's some logic to that I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► again that it this wasn't done through the all writs Act it was you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► pass an actual law and fight and make that argument and listen to the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► the bar owners arguing and now I picked both of those examples the seatbelt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► mandatory seatbelts and the the getting cigarettes out of bars and restaurants i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► pick those specifically because i know that those arguments are on the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► side right that it's it is my opinion it's correct that seat belts and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► know other safety devices and chrono stay very high standards for craft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► survivability are good idea and that I think it's a very good idea for public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► health that cigarettes are are not our band most restaurants and bars now but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► still think that it was right that they had to pass legislation to do it so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► this case to me with Apple being on the right side it's even more important that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► if you want to force them to do this terrible thing that you have to fight it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► out in the legislature yeah I think you're absolutely right those are great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► examples and we can also get to like gun control is part of this issue too is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► like what can be done under regulations existing regulations in force and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► requires lost we passed and whatever side you are about the you know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► guns should be out there going to be out there all in private hands whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► side you are i think i would argue i would rather have a legislative solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► than a regulatory one even regulatory one might be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► whether that's for allowing broader gun ownership or narrower ownership because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► without the legislative solution an executive make a decision it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► lack that consensus so we have the same situation here is like do you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► government to use a 240 something year old law with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► extranged logic to upset the future of privacy education protection when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► clea more recently addressed it or didn't address it in specific ways or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► you want legislators you know regardless again of who which political parties in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► charge is not actually a political issue in that sense it's a political issue of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► how this would be addressed in a comprehensive way through a process that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► has various you know the three branches of government in the checks and balances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► I don't really want an executive agency to push through something like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► you know I despite having a minute i voted for obama gets twice and but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► don't really like the extensive use of presidential orders executive orders and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► regulatory moves that he's using I understand why he's doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► I don't think there is long-lasting and I don't think they're I mean I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► where the middle intransigence and you had with gridlock you have to try things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► and it's so forth so I understand whether being done but they wanted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► lasting effect they want they don't indicate a change of policy where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► something like the Affordable Care Act they were able to actually get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► passed it became law and you see how implacable it is to resistance and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► at the supreme court chief justice voting in favor surprising everyone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4674">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► favor of ACA under the Commerce Clause and you know all these decisions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► have come through where the AC I had a cas had some the you know fall back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► mostly been upheld because it was law as opposed to regulatory interpretation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► strain regulatory interpretation presidential order so and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► presidential orders recently have been thrown down by the courts at various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► levels and and well in some have not been upheld so far I'm you went to gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► so i'll i'll go too high no cons like it was very but I think you did I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► hopefully I think we've done so in a way that is amenable to anybody on either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► side issue i'm gonna go to abortion and ruth bader ginsburg Ruth Bader guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► game we're playing guns abortion all writs Act Ruth Bader Ginsburg has argued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► and I think surprising many people long argued and from before she was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► Supreme Court I think it was a paper she wrote that kind of got her to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► supreme court ruling that this right that that roe v wade was actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4733">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► in the long run for abortion rights because it was a sweeping change by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► Supreme Court and rather than letting it work its way through the legislative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► branch which would have given it a lot more that things work out better and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► more broadly accepted when they go through the legislature then when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► judiciary passes takes takes matters into its own hands and again not I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► even want to just don't even want to touch on this side of which way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► should go in a pretty clear my my views on it or no but it doesn't matter though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► I think that the basic argument though that if that roe v wade has remained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► controversial in a way that a legislative solution which the US was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► probably heading to at the time in the seventies would have had more staying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► it's almost remarkable to the extent that roe v wade is remains so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► radioactively controversial 40-some years later 40-44 years later that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► forty-four-year-old supreme court decision is is still considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► contentious is it you know shows the the logic of of Ginsburg art Ginsburg's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► argument I I have to agree with that too is right it does not matter what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► stance on abortion a legislative decision that was made and carried out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► at a national level and then enforced and refined by Supreme Court rulings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► that narrow door or broaden and on more limited grounds people would be arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► about it in it in a different way because they would have felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► price you know they would be looking to overturn the law as opposed to trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► figure out how to change a constitutional president right and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► ultimately would become enshrined as a constitutional president you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► had you know a row law and the law having passed I think in the seventies I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► think the GOP and Democratic Party the time I think we easily have passed a law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► that i think i actually think it would have not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► that difficult to produce consensus then so let's say that happens you gotta roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► law and then some row based decisions later that refined it that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► people would still be debating but we still be active but that wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► this notion that it could be a just a small tweak in the composition the court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► would change this for everyone because you would have to get the law of return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► or you'd have to have a radically different Supreme Court interpretation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► and that's an ongoing issue in accordance with the critiques of Scalia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► as an original list is that he wasn't as an original list he didn't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► President as much as pristine courts did and you can see the liberal and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► conservative justices going off on rejecting on the fact that decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► overturned sometimes relatively recent presidents which is not historically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► case it's usually long periods of time before presidents are returned by one go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► from one court to another right so yeah I think you're I mean it's so in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► case let's say it's AI think Congress addressing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► and interestingly giving Congress has approached this I wouldn't be surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► if Congress could reach consensus maybe not this one but the next one about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► direction it should take that would not be as Extreme as the administration's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► position and would not require this level of action if it did then you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► have a constitutional issue if they try to enshrine with the FBI is trying to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/4935">TS</a>]
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01:36:19 ◼ ► came with the ipad mini something came out where someone built this likes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/5779">TS</a>]
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01:39:03 ◼ ► the US will wind up on a plan with either 12 or 18 months refresh and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/5943">TS</a>]
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01:39:11 ◼ ► that's going to flood the market with older phones in some fashion will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/5951">TS</a>]
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01:40:29 ◼ ► is Twitter and tweets because they're so small it doesn't matter that i can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/6029">TS</a>]
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02:15:30 ◼ ► compendium you know I got name-checked is South by Southwest I wasn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/8130">TS</a>]
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02:16:57 ◼ ► was actually it's good it's good it's interesting it's at the being on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/8217">TS</a>]
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02:17:04 ◼ ► backed off a little from now come back i'm enjoying it again Glenn has class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxamp2s/8224">TS</a>]
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